Full Show Podcast: 11 February 2025

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Are you great, New Zealanders? And welcome to Matt and
Tyler Afternoons Full Show Podcast number sixty four for Tuesday,
the eleventh of February. Thanks for tuning in. You can
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Great chat today. We get to the topic we missed
yesterday around lying and relationships, and we went deep into
cocaine abuse. It was a really good chat and had
some fantastic calls. And we all also talked about poles,

(01:09):
Do you believe them? Do you follow them? And I
don't know why to say this, because we'll tell you
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Speaker 1 (01:19):
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Speaker 2 (01:31):
Send me for gooday to you, Welcome into the show
on this Tuesday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Get a manet, Tyler, great to be here, got a
good show for you today after three pm? What level
of secret is okay to keep from your partner?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yep, this was on the back of you sending a
photo of you eating your little Mecca's fries.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Hid hiding in my car and eating my my burgers
and fries out from my partner.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
We've all got them.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Because I'm supposed to be eating healthy, so you know
it's I'm still on the diet as long as she
doesn't see it. So what little secrets do you keep
from your partner? And is that okay? After two pm? Tyler?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, so cocaine. This is on the back of Colombian President.
He says cocaine is no worse than whiskey, and he
believes scientists have analyzed it. But the wide question you're
going to put to you is one on the rise
of cocaine consumption in New Zealand, but also is there
an argument to be made for looking at our drug laws?

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, the thing is that no one's denying that cocaine
is addictive substance and it causes harm. But is the
prohibition of it causing more harm than it would if
it was sold like booze as the Columbian President said,
And look he's a dodgy guy, so we're not taking
this site on this. But is it if it was
sold as wine, would it be would there be less

(02:52):
damage than the situation we're in now where boy, the
numbers of the cocaine consumption in New Zealand is going
through the roof, so before prohibition doesn't seem to be
stopping it as a growth product.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yep, that's going to be an interesting chad after two o'clock.
But right now, let's have a chet about poles. This
is on the back of three consecutive polls show support
for the government has dropped, with the Opposition having more
support than the coalition. The latest one or is the
one used variant pole yesterday which showed the sender Left
could form a government labor jump four points to thirty

(03:25):
three percent. Well, National felt three points to thirty four percent.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Ya, of course, So they're doing the polls so they
can advertise it, put it on the show, and you know,
seal avertising around it. So it's a commercial venture doing
that pole. But you know it's eighteen months out for election,
so really what does it say? But does it affect
how things go? So if you start to hear that
a party slipping, do you start to change your opinion

(03:50):
on it? Does it change your opinion of the government
to see that they're slightly slipping in these poles? Do
you even believe the polls? It's another question as well.
I would never answer a pole. I'd also like to
hear people eight hundred and eighty eighty ten a who
did the pizzut number? Again?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
It's lunched on.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
It's a Freudian slip. Now eight one hundred eighteen eighty
people that have been rung up by a pole. Because
if someone rang up to poll me, I'd say go away,
I'm not wasting my time talking to you. Just so
you can sell some ads on your whatever agenda you're running.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I've never done a political pole.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
I'd assume first, I'd assume was a scam. First of all,
I wouldn't answer it because I didn't have the number
of my phone number. Answer out of some incredible piece
of bad luck, I've excellently answered it. Maybe I thought
one of my kids was ringing to be picked up
or something. Yeah, and I've picked it up, and I've
ended up with someone trying to run a pole on me.
There's no way to continue answering it.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, And they always ring at tea time, usually about
six six thirty. I mean, where's the strategy in that?
So someone's just making tea, they're getting the kids ready. Hey,
can we ask you a few questions about you are political allegiance?

Speaker 3 (04:57):
No?

Speaker 5 (04:58):
No?

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Also, do you tell that people that also don't necessarily
tell the truth to the poll stuff if they know
which way the polls go, and they tend to say
what they think the person wants to hear. Also the
questions and mis misleading, and we all know how that works.
But does it change your opinion? With all that in mind,
does it change your opinion if you see a politician
start to get less popular, do you feel like they're
not doing their job and they get sort of the

(05:21):
stench of loser around them? Because you know, humans, we
hate losers. We certainly do. We love winners and we
follow winners. We hate people that are losing.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
You don't want to back a loser. I think for
the bigger parties, whether it makes much of a difference,
I don't know, and we'd love to hear from you
on oh e one hundred and eighteen eighty. But for
the smaller guys, the ones that may or may not
breach that five percent, I think it makes a world
of difference. Like the Opportunities Party, for example, Consistently before
the last election, they were polling around one percent two percent.

(05:49):
If you are a maybe with the Opportunities Party and
you saw that, you'd be like, it's just a wasted vote.
Some great texts coming through on nine two ninety two.
But love to get your thoughts the polls. Do they
influence your decision at all? And eighteen months out from
an election, what is the point? Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Nine two

(06:10):
ninety two is the text number? It is eleven past one.

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where if you hear some beaning going on, there is
a bit of a celebration for the lunar and New
Year going on directly under the under our floor.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, we've been punished by parties lately, haven't We used
to say the Super Bowl party was happening right below
the Mic Costing Memorial Studio and this thing today, So
you know.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
We'reright in the middle of the day, you know. Don't
they know we're on here at the moment? People are
eating boobs out there, don't they know?

Speaker 3 (06:59):
We love to party and we hate to miss out.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah for next time, people. But we are talking about
the pole. So this is on the back of course
of three consecutive poles showing the support for the government
is dropping and a support for the opposition looks to
be slowly increasing. The one News variant pole yesterday the
taxpayer Union Curier poll was also yesterday our Prime Minister

(07:21):
Christopher Luxen. He says he's not worried at this point,
but our wider question is do these influence you at all?

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Do you care? Does that change your opinion on your
party if you see that they might be dipping in
these poles. That's an interesting point as well. I want
to dalve into Hello, guys, I take known as the poles.
I'm in my early seventies and I have never been asked.
I also know someone who was asked and said he
deliberately lied, which to me sounds a bit of mature,
but that was his choice. It's true. I mean, how
do you enough people are telling the truth or not.

(07:48):
But also I've never I think I've been on the
line when someone's tried to turn it into a poll.
But I'm not going to waste my Why would I
waste my time with that?

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, if you've done one of these polls, we'd love
to hear from them.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Amount like a wite hundred at ten at have you
ever have you now that have you ever been rung
up for one of these poles? And how do they
go down?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah? Matthew Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Now, the polls to you, they mean nothing.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
I hate them, can't stand them, and I get sick
of New Zealand gets who gets stuck into polls. I
mean the general policies that pop up. Some of the
policies are for long term. They may take two, three,
five years to see any benefit. But if the average
New Zealand has not been seen a benefit to them
right there and then they seem to change allegiances. So

(08:44):
what I hate about politics. There are so many policies
implemented that are going to take time to show any results.
But people want it here and now, and if they're
not getting what they want or they perceive that is
not going their way, then yeah, no, I can't stand
polls and can't stand the flip flopping of parties.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Now, Matthew, So if you see someone that you're following,
say like a say like a political candidate, and they're
dipping in the polls, does that do you have no
emotional reaction to that at all?

Speaker 6 (09:17):
No, not at all, not at all. I look at
the policies, and any intelligence who put in person should
look at the policies. Say, okay, I can see the
long what is the long term effect for the nation
over a period of time. If it's going to take
more than the average three years for voting, then how
can we make a judgment if it's if you know,

(09:39):
it's not working within six months? Oh my goodness, how
many policies work within six months?

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Why ends up?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
It's a pretty that more people aren't like you because
I think, you know, poles are massively hyped up. You know,
when it's on the TV one news last night, it's
massively hyped up and presented as truth and presented as
where the government is.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
But you know what, it reminds me of what America.
Let's let's let's get the most popular person on TV
promote them, and and it's all it's all about who's
who's the most popular, and not about what what the
long term goals for the country are.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
But I guess and the and the end democracy it
is a popularity contest though.

Speaker 6 (10:20):
Well, I know that's what annoys me. I'm not tied
to any particular party. I will support any party that
has the benefits of the country long term, even I
mean national and National may have a policy which is great,
labor may have a policy for a different reason. That's great,
but also the part of the part doesn't even want
to work together for something that's beneficial. They just want
to antagonize each other all the time.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Matthew, where do you get your opinions? Where do you
get your information on the policies from?

Speaker 7 (10:47):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (10:48):
Yeah, lots of places government with sites, statistics. Oh my goodness,
you're putting me on the spots, run and think of
all these places, news, everything like that. There's so much information,
But you have to be careful because you've got to
falter through the information through Well, you can't just accept
one view on a website that sees this because they

(11:10):
could be biased one way or the other. You've actually
got to do some but you know, it's like going
to university. But a critical thinking you've.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Got them though, Man, for most people probably might not
have the time or the inclination to be as diligent
as you are. So they see a poll on TV
and they go, well, that proves that what the government's
doing is not working, which is actually not what it does.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
That just proves that right now the government's done something
that doesn't benefit than what the perception is that it's
not benefiting, but we don't know. We don't know if
it's not going to benefit harm, especially if it's a
long term goal.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Do you think it's the pole that affects that Matthew
Or as the Prime Minister said, we're still feeling the
pinch of the last few years, you know, that economic pain.
That is why the poles are showing the way they're showing,
and he is expecting in a year's time before the
election that things will turn around. What they are doing
now is they're going to start to show themselves in

(12:09):
twelve months time and at that point the polls will
turn around.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Oh quite possibly.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
I think there are many people like me who who
don't buy into the whole pole situation, and it's like
a varying sliding scale. There's going to be some that
are influenced greatly by the poles, and there's going to
be some that absolutely don't because they're like me and
like to be informed, And there's going to be varying
degrees in the middle, which is also why poles are useless,

(12:35):
because it's never going to capture the whole scale of
the different types of people and how they react and think,
what do.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
You think of this text, Matthew, that's coming at you.
This bloke is no understanding of the electoral cycle and
how the electric messages the government. Polls between elections solely
tell the government whether they're taking the country in the
right direction or not. This pole gals that they're not.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
In the short term is the polls show that people
are not liking where the government's going right now within
six twelve months. How they've been in a couple of
year is now or you know, a year and a half?
What year it is showing that they're not. It's not
moving in the direction right right now. But we don't
know what's going to happen once the policies, if they're

(13:19):
good policies, I'm not saying they are, but if they're
good policies and they start showing results two, three, four
years down the track, we're making assumptions based on now
or six months ago, twelve months ago leading up to now,
and people aren't liking it. So the poles they're getting
it through a different pole results. Wait, the polls could

(13:40):
be completely different in twelve months.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
But I suppose Matthew, even though they're not going to
change that, maybe they're not. They're very The government might
be happy with their policies, happy where they're going, but
the pole might suggest to them that they're messaging on
what they're doing isn't resonating with the public. So a
government might not change on the polls, but it might
just change how it's selling its particular policies.

Speaker 6 (14:03):
Oh, quite quite possibly, and well absolutely one hundred percent,
because if if they're not polling, government goes, oh, what
are we going to do? Change the change change this.

Speaker 8 (14:12):
No.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
No.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
Instead of saying, hey, we're going to stick to our
guns because we believe that the result is going to
be better four years down the track, they go, oh, no,
if we don't do this, we're not going to be
very popular and we're going to be voted out. It's
a contundrum that they have to that they have to balance.
They want to stay in power to see through their
policies versus do we keep the unpopular policy because we

(14:33):
know or we're pretty sure it's going to be beneficial
and five years time, even though we may not be
in government. It's a it's a he here, there's no
there's no perfect answer.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Well, there's no doubt, Matthew. The democracies work a lot better,
more people like you. Yeah, and we're putting that and
we're concentrating and making these sober decisions on what's going on.
Thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Thanks guys, cheers, cheers. Matthew Oh. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Do you take
any interest or do you accept what the polls say?
This is on the back three consecutive poles. Support for
the government has dropped, with the opposition having more support
than the coalition. Do they influence you at all? Eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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And if you hear some drums in the background, there
is a lunar a celebration happening just below us. Nineteen
ninety two is the teach number. It's twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking
breakfast the.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Play Minister Christopher Luxan is with us. I suggested to
you last week you might be running down a runway.
We had Rod Duke of Briscoe's on the program the
other day. Here's what he said.

Speaker 6 (15:41):
And I think they will be marked seriously if we
don't see some serious initiatives.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Is you right?

Speaker 3 (15:47):
He's bang on.

Speaker 9 (15:47):
We need to get this economy moving. We've had some
long standing problems for thirty years about economic productivity, and
that's what you're saying. We've got to invest summit coming up,
fast track hit last Friday. We've got trade deals, investment
treaty deals that we just did in the UAE. We've
got a rolling funder of constant announcements to remove Bard
roll show up.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
We've got a rolling funder back tomorrow at six am
the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Mayley's Real Estate News Talk
ZB News Talk ZB oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
We're talking about polls. Do they change the way you
feel about a part of your supporting or not? Got
a couple of texts here, Yes, guys, I was rung
on our landline in January for the first pole of

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the year. I was thrilled, never been rung before. I
was delighted to say I am a labor voter and
placed Seymour last. My reason is this divisiveness and this
text is the exact opposite. I've got a poll call.
It felt good to show my support for ACT. I
feel like with the media we only get pro labor
Greens TPM and all negative on Seymour. The amount you
guys have been beating up on the Man today, for example,

(16:49):
it felt good to push back, even just a little bit.
Love the show by the way.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, great texts coming through. And again, if you've been polled,
I'd love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. What sort of questions did they ask? Did
they lump it in between? As I've heard the myth
that quite often the ring up and say can we
talk to you about your supermarket habits? So I'll start
asking you what supermarkets do you go to? How often
do you shop per week? And then in the middle

(17:12):
then they say, so what party did you vote for
last leek? Sure, so hang on a minute. I thought
we were talking about supermarkets. They kind of just lump it.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Together, dirty stinking bastard.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. I mean that's what
I've heard. Is that true? I've never been wrung up
by them, but no better than a cold call on
undred eighty ten eighty Greg, how are you mate?

Speaker 8 (17:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (17:33):
Good guys. Yeah, I've been wrung up once about the
political situation. They asked me what ethnicity was one age.
I said, a middle age European terior of mixed Irish
the scene and they said, oh, you don't sit our
criteria and hang out. And I tried to engage them
and they didn't want to bar but we.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Didn't want to know.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
They didn't like mixed Irish heritage.

Speaker 10 (17:55):
They had miss well in fact, I was a middle
aged European of mixed Irish heritage and they said, no,
you don't fit our agenda or our criteria. And I said,
well what's that then, and tried to engage them and
they hang up, didn't want to know me against this government.
I mean, you only need to see the reporters like
Mikey Sherman and what's the name Lynch from TV three

(18:19):
the same biased. I mean, it's just unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Oh, there's no doubt. There's no doubt that the media
in New Zealand is running a left wing bias. I
don't think anyone would argue with that. Perhaps perhaps so
we're bringing up, though, to poll on a different issue
that didn't relate to you, if you know what I mean,
that might not have been across the board, questions that
it might have been on a very specific thing, because
they poll all kinds of things. Greg.

Speaker 10 (18:44):
Yeah, but if you're going to poll people your pole
middle age, you poll young, your pole professional, your poll
very non professional people. That's actually our society is.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
But just playing devil's advocate, Greg, if that if that
rung fifty people before you and they are all kind
of you know, men in their fifties, then probably fair
enough that they needed to have a bit more variety
to show the balance of New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (19:10):
Well maybe you courage for to organizer because she doesn't
like old age.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
White doesn't seem to know that's a cool grek. Yeah, yeah,
I mean that's what they do. They've got it, They've
they got you know, to defend poles. They have to
try and find a cross section of New Zealand society
because everyone goes you just ring a thousand people, that
should be easy. And why the poles cost so much
money and takes so long. It's quite complicated and they
have to put in try and account for some things,

(19:37):
move it around, and they make all these decisions about it,
and sometimes they get it terribly wrong, like they did
in the American election.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
But they have to have a specific methodology, don't they yeah, yeah,
it's quite specific. So they try and get as close poles.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
How do they get around the fact that only, I
mean a very few people would ever just answer a
call that wasn't from someone they know. Now, so most
people don't have landlines. So if you're ringing up on
a cell phone, I'm not going to answer that. No, No,
I'm going to assume it's the idea and not answer.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
And even if it's a number that pops up and
O nine as soon as they say, hey, it's such
and such from courier here, what are you going to
do at that point? So sorry, I'm busy cooking tea.
See you later, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties
then number to call quick, couple of techs here, guys.
They have a quota of who they poll so they
can get across section. Most of the landlines are the

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same demographic, but they started using more most.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, that's what we're trying to say to Greg.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
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Speaker 2 (21:54):
Thank you very much, Roylean. And we're talking about poles.
Do you take any notice of poles, particularly eighteen months
out on the back of course of three consecutive poles
showing a bit of a dip for the current governments
and a bit of a boost for the opposition. Ohight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
To call the Texas says guys. I always call it ID.
Whenever I get a caller ID, I always answer that
it's done this blood everywhere or New Zealand Defense Force
want to fight? Then hang up?

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I love that. It's great.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
I used to get when I got scam calls back
in the day, or calls that are cold calls. I'd
always put my two year old son on and he'd
go hanging and just talk to them and tell them
about movies and stuff. Is a real talker. And then
they go they want to talk to your dad, and
I say, no, you go, and they just you just
leave that kid punishing the caller for us. And you know,
a two and a half year old kid can punish
a cold caller for a long time.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
And how long did the cold caller go? They keep
just trying and put your dad on No, no, you're
talking to me, Dad.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
They want to talk to you. No, no, I tell
them about finding Nemo fashion the big water in the.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Those poor cold callers. Man, Mary, how are you?

Speaker 13 (23:00):
I'm good, thank you, I just wanted you're talking about polls.
They do go up and down all the time, they
completely change. My biggest disappointment is that how quickly the
New Zealanders seem to forget that labor got us in
this whole and nationally trying to do their best to

(23:21):
get out of it. And it's not going to happen
in five minutes. So all of a sudden they turn
on them, and you know, the Poles they go down
in the polls, and it's disappointing because you know, Rome
wasn't built in a day, and it would be disappointing
to see them not be able to continue on with
this path because I do believe it will provide fruit,

(23:42):
but you know it's going to take a long time.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
But Maria, do you think that it becomes a self
fulfilling prophecy, So the Poles influence more bad polls and
influence more content about the government, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (23:56):
May well do yes, discontent will breed more discontent. I agree,
and I just hope that they will be able to
show the New Zealand public that they are on the
right path and to bear with them, because what's your alternative?
Look where we got?

Speaker 3 (24:11):
If you think they're on the right path. Do you
think their messaging is wrong how they're presenting it to
the people?

Speaker 14 (24:18):
Lord?

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Do you think that people, no matter what the messaging
is and no matter who's sending it, if they're currently
going through difficult times as we rebuild, they're just going
to feel angry about things, and whoever rings up, they'll go.
I don't like the current government.

Speaker 13 (24:32):
I think there's a certain amount of treating softly softly,
and I don't really necessarily think that that is the
right way to go. I think we need to, you know,
put our foot to the floor and you know, don't
apologize for it. What has to be done. And maybe

(24:52):
they should, you know, espouse that better to the public.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
To a lot of people, Mary, and I hear what
you're saying, and you know, that is a conundrum that
New Zealand has long had. And you can have that
arguments about longer terms and government where you stretch that
out to four years, but for a lot of people, Mary,
one to three years is a lot of time. That's
a lot of patience to see their life start to
get a little bit better or things turn around. And

(25:19):
to be frank, national has had what eighteen months, and
people are still feeling that pain, as the Prime Minister
has said, So they got to get moving. They got
to get moving.

Speaker 13 (25:29):
Yeah they do, and they need to go hard and
not sort of, you know, try and soften the blow.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
So if you were the current government or the current
coalition or any members of it, would you just ignore
the poles? You just keep doing what you're doing, focus
on what you're going And I mean when St. Peter's
always famously says he doesn't read the polls, he doesn't
believe it. There's only one poll that counts, and this
is the election day. But would you just go go hard,
go what you're doing, don't waste any time, don't answer

(25:56):
any questions about it, just go on the path that
you think is right for the country. And poles are
just a distraction.

Speaker 13 (26:04):
I think it's wise to have a near to the ground,
but I still think that they should still go hard.
And I think that's what maybe that's the reason what
It is the reason why the polls are slipped for
them because people don't think they've gone hard enough, quick.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Enough, go hard. So you say, that's your message. So
if this was if if Christopher Luxon's listening, the message
from Mary is.

Speaker 13 (26:29):
Go hard, go hard to go home.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, it's a great slogan. Love your style, Mary, Thank
you very much, go hard or go home. Your call, Oh, eight,
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It is twenty two to two. Beg very shortly. You're
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Speaker 2 (26:56):
Be very good afternoon to you. It is nineteen to
two and we're talking about the polls. Do you care
one iota what they say? Eighteen months out from an election?

Speaker 3 (27:04):
This text on nineteen nine two. Hi, guys, it's pretty simple.
People are feeling poorer and losing their jobs currently, so
they are going to vote for change. If the economy
is doing better by the election time, the government will
get back in If it isn't they are out? Thanks? Yeah,
I mean you know you hear that all the time,
don't you. It's the economy stupid. Yeah, I mean it
always is the case. If you ring someone up and

(27:25):
they can't afford their bills, then they're probably not going
to answer the call on a very you know, well,
we don't really have not don't ask what the country
can do for you, ask what you can do for
the country. Kind of attitude dewey anymore. We're easy to
blame the government if you say, if someone said we
all need to grind this out for the good of
the company, we've ended the company, good of the country.

(27:47):
We've ended up in a tough spot. We need to
just go hard together and we're all going to feel
a bit of pain. You ring that person up and
they'll say, I'm voting for the other guys exactly.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Unfortunately it's Scott. How are you mate?

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Good? How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Ye're good? So first up, do you take any notice
of polls at the stage of the electoral cycle, to
be honest, not not particularly.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
We're quite a way is out and the you know,
the old thing is a week in politics, because a
year in a lifetime sort of thing. So I think
it's a bit too soon to start being too excited
about polling at this stage, maybe until next year or
maybe after the local local elections to see what there's
any change there.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, So do you think currently that well, this is
just the polls at the moment is a reflection of
how people are feeling this month? Is really what you're saying,
isn't it?

Speaker 4 (28:45):
I would say so, And I think give the perspective
I suppose earlier from someone said that, you know, this
is the second time the Nationals coming off the back
of not the best economic outlook. I mean, you saw
chron key into back in two thousand, late twenty ten's
there from something that wasn't too bad, but they managed
to swing to an economy quite around quite quickly, and

(29:08):
there was a bit of a recovery there, and I
think this time around maybe the coalition sort of got
a bit of a shock from how the books were,
the sort of plan and place wasn't particularly put forward
that well, and they've had to change, and I think
they've had to change their step would have been sort
of make up as they're going, and it's sort of
giving off maybe a little bit lack of confidence, and
I think they're hoping to turn around a bit of

(29:30):
the conditions for the country sooner than I hoped. But
as you guys said, at the moment, it's sort of
gotten worse before it gets better, and whether it gets
better or not up to people to believe.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Do you think people that are called up on a phone, Scott,
you kind of talk about mood and how they're feeling
at a certain point, see people go, well, it's only
been eighteen months, so do they really expect that it
could have been turned around that quickly? And if that's
the case, do they then go all the other Because
really what they're saying is your eighteen months, you haven't

(30:01):
turned it around, so we'll go back to the other guys.
Is really what you're saying. If the left block is
now the right block? Do you think people think about
it that much they analyze it or you've just rung
up on the phone and you go, yah, things aren't
great to the guys that are in at the moment.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
I think it's a bit of a Debbie Dana approach
in the country. I think of the stage a people.
I guess people need to maybe do a bit more
critical thinking. I suppose a sort of what you guys
did before, maybe how much you can contribute to the
country as well. I mean, people have to be pragmatic.
It's not easy for most people, and you sort of
have to push through that, I guess. I mean there

(30:44):
are two neervers going back. But I mean, to be honest,
labor wasn't even much better than what national was doing now,
so you sort of have to stick it out. I mean,
three years is not a long time when you compare
it to other countries around the world, But I guess
they just have to crack on and do it.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, oh me, he's Scott. There are some elements to
the cost living crisis and that economic pain that, yes,
it's in control of the government. Those things can take
time to turn around, right. So for example, the interest
rate the Reserve Bank has primarily you know, ownership or
they control where that interest rate goes far more than
the government does. Think if inflation goes down, then they

(31:20):
can start to bring that inflation rate. Are that interest
rate down the same with the cost of food? Right,
So just because inflation has gone back to about four
percent or three percent, doesn't mean that all of a sudden.
Now groceries are going to get a heck of a
lot cheaper, So those things all take a bit of
time to start to feed through.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
That's right, and I think people need to remember that
as well. The economic decisions take much longer than a
lot of other areas and government departments that take effect,
and people need to let that the dusted. I suppose
from the aftermath of COVID and any policy reversals, because
there's there's been quite a bit of change from the
coalition from what Labor has done, and I guess that

(32:00):
sort of feeds into what you said earlier about maybe
we should do it extend the two moments before where
there's a bit more of a policy change setting, so
people have more.

Speaker 15 (32:09):
Confidence than I agree.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
That's so true, Scott. I mean, the idea that you
implement your policy in three years is it's insane to
me because for a start, the first year you're just
getting settled into to your portfolios and your jobs and stuff.
You've got about a year to do something, and then
the final year is just campaigning again to be re elected.

(32:33):
Got to extend the terms absolutely, because if people vote
in a government because they don't like what's the way
it's going. You've got to at least give them a
chance to implement what they believe in whichever way it's going, right.
I find it insane that we have three year terms.
Three is so such a short time to change anything.

(32:54):
They thank you so much we call Scott.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, I'd agree with that. I mean, what would you do?
Four years to me sounds like a good amount of time.
Five years I think would be too much because then
people would argue there was a lot of anger towards
the last government, labor government, and having them in for
another two years could have been very, very problematic for
the country.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah. I mean, is Auckland ever going to be able
to forgive them for that final lockdown? Yeah? I don't
know what I saw it to people are around me
in children and how recklessly that was imposed upon Auckland.
You know, I don't know. It will take me a
while to forgive them for that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
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Speaker 3 (33:51):
This textans interesting nineteen nine two. I think the issue
is that this government campaigned on economic improvement. Therefore lack
of big ideas and progresses biting into their credibility ends
up as an emperors has new closed situation from terry.
I mean that is the problem with campaigning and then
getting in right, so you say, these guys are up,
we can fix it. It's simple. We just have to

(34:12):
do this, this and this, and then you get in
and you go, oh, it was way harder than that.
And then you say to people, oh, yeah, it wasn't
exactly what we thought was going to happen, and the
books are way worse. But that on the campaign to win,
you have to say it's easy, we can fix it,
let's go, and so then to pivot to saying we
need a lot of time. This is really hard. Yeah,

(34:34):
kind of there's kind of a disconnect there.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
But that happens each political cycle. Right, maybe you're.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Probably not going to get elected if you go Jesus
hard I don't know. We'll give it a good old key.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
We try. It's going to take some time. Just bear
with us. We will get there, but give us at
least three terms to get it done.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Hopefully we've got the answers. Yeah, two terms at least
for this one bill.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
How are you mate?

Speaker 16 (34:59):
Good boys? They yet forty thousand public servants. It's they
all voted for national so they won't be too happy.
Everyone who works for a covenant department is under thread
at the moment. Then you've got the health budget blowout
calls by the nurse's back pay that had already been
agreed upon. Then you've got the hospital that's not going
to be built now well it's going to be headed

(35:19):
onto apparently, and what all these other things. And then
you've got this odd little guy who brings up thirteen
year olds in the middle of the night without the
appearance knowing and he texted them, so he apparently was
texting them.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
You're going to have to go there, yeah, hope, let's
say have a chat to Shane get mates apparently. Yeah,
and what are you reckon the poles? What are you reckon?

Speaker 17 (35:46):
Well, if you go back even a couple of weeks
before the polls had lux and his leadership still declining.
And that's been kind of a line that's been happening, right,
that's a trend that's been going, so we know that.
But it also had the coalition still in command of
the House. And was there a public outcry or an
outreach in the farm media. There was only that one

(36:10):
outsnippet that I can recall going on the news or
in another media outlets, Facebook or what have you. But
all of a sudden, you have two poles that come
out neck to neck and they depict a different story
and it's like big news. It's like, oh, it's collapsing,
but it's it's kind of like this. I used to

(36:31):
think Poling's had a bit of a standard to what
kind of enabled kiwriis to kind of think of ahead
of it. But you know, we're a country now, we're
quite We're still the number one, number eight y country.
We're a lot of kiwis now. There is a bit
of a distrust with media. And I'm not saying you guys,
but there is a bit of a trust. This trust
out there. So keywis go and search for in other platforms,

(36:53):
other notions of what the content is about. And I
think we're a country now that are beginning to realize
the rhetoric that's out there now. And I'm not going
to go and blaying other opposition parties and whatever, but
if you look at the narrative of where our country
sits today, it's not too bad considering it was a
big ship turning into an iceberg that has to be

(37:14):
turned around. And yes, I believe your argument is right.
Three years is never long enough to try and sustain
sustainability within any working government of this calenber. But you
need to make sure that the New Zealanders are becoming
a lot more devoted to common sense. And that's kind
of a narrative I'm hearing right throughout the Golotcha moment

(37:36):
and MEDIAIR and the news. I think people are getting
tisome of that because it's kind of like, oh, here
we go again. And I think key reason enough in
another twenty months or what have you, for the next
election will either note a notable change. And you know
what about this, guys. So the US election, and I
don't say we are like the US depicted a net

(37:57):
to net race right through and that's what it read
even up to the date of the election, and look
what happened. So these platforms that give you out certain
narratives or certain ballot points of what's happening in that
snapshot doesn't necessarily mean that's the outcome coming into an election.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Oh yeah, because these news outlets have to make money
from the situation. So you know, if you're looking at
the electoral race in the States, they didn't look like
a path for Karmela for quite a long time. That
seemed to be shut down and some people were saying that,
But that doesn't really play out very well, does it.
When you just say no.

Speaker 17 (38:34):
No, it doesn't. It just showed you that the populace
of the people whom they thought were going to go
for the minority to a different group didn't happen. And
I think that's going to be the same. Well, I
feel personally that New Zealanders, you know, we'll wake up,
we'll wake up.

Speaker 8 (38:47):
And there's the.

Speaker 17 (38:48):
Smoke screens of all political parties that kind of try
to entice you to follow their flag and their tail.
But I think when you look at it now, we
see more poverty, we see crime, we see higher rates
of people living on the streets, we're kind of looking
back at something and decades ago used to see across
foreign worlds and go, it'll never happen in our country.

Speaker 11 (39:08):
But it is.

Speaker 17 (39:10):
And I think New Zealand is intelligent enough now to
kind of go, well, hold on, this is a big
ship that we're turning here. We need to see change.
And when it's like something that the Deputy Prime minister
over in them you said to someone who asked her
about price of food, right, and I think you guys
have said, on a bit of a differently, go, you know,

(39:30):
the cost of living, particularly save food, will never change
until we can have our own fuel resources so that
those trucking companies that can buy fuel at a cheaper
rate don't charge another higher rate. So therefore the recipie
to the people is cheaper. It's not about here's the
economy change and everything's cheap over night. It doesn't work
that way.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, Shane, thank you very much. Right, good discussion. That
is where we'll leave it, because after two o'clock we
want to have a we chat about cocaine.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yeah, so the Columbian president has said cocaine should be
treated like wine, and then we wouldn't have had it
wouldn't have nearly as many problems as we do.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, this is going to be a great discussion, and
we're also going to have a chant to the executive
director of the New Zealand Drug Foundation, Sarah Helm about
our increased cocaine use that's coming up.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
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Speaker 11 (40:24):
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Speaker 2 (40:29):
Today. Welcome back into the show. So this next hour
or so is going to be an absolute doozy of
a debates.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, that's right. So the Colombian President Gustavo Petro has
said cocaine is no worse than whiskey. In a live broadcast,
he says scientists have analyzed this, cocaine is no worse
than whiskey. If you want peace, you have toss dismantle
the business of drug trafficking. It could easily be dismantled
if they legalized cocaine in the world. It should be

(40:58):
sold like wine. So there is no doubt that cocaine
causes problems. It's extremely addictive drug, But are the problem
it causes worse than the problems that its prohibition causes.
In terms of the money going to bad people, the
river of blood that flows into it, the propping up

(41:19):
of gangs. Is that worse? What's what's worse at the moment.
And if you look at the stats on cocaine, it's
doubling the usage in New Zealand. So what if we're
doing now it's a very successful product that is going
very well out there in the world.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
It's an interesting point. I mean when you look at
the likes of Colombia, clearly a lot of blood is
spilt over this particular drug. But then you look at
the problems of Mexico and the US border, some huge
issues there that are still underway right now. And he
made it. He makes a fear point. I know, he's
got his problems. The Columbian president.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
I mean, any any Colombian Colombian president talking about cocaine
is going to be corrupted. You always wondering what's going
on around there. And he has tried to reach out
to the different drug traffickers and cartails and stuff to
try and bring some peace to the situation.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Good luck to him, But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
I mean, one thing is for sure, the drug cartails
don't want it to be legal. No, they don't want
it just to be a Colombian crop that's sold like
any other.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Yeah, they're making they'll make an egg of a lot
of cash by controlling that with violence.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
Clear.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
The other thing is New Zealand pays a lot more
for cocaine than a lot of other countries in the world,
so it gets targeted specifically for the outsized profits you
can make selling cocaine in New Zealand. Yeah, so if
you legalized it, not legalized it, but if you restricted
it, it made it available in the same way that alcohol
is available whiskey, as he points out, or wine. Would

(42:45):
that be more damage or less damage than we're currently got?

Speaker 18 (42:48):
Now?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number? Too cool?
Nine two nine tools the text number. I will say,
I think it is fairly rampant in New Zealand. Clearly
it is increasing, judging by the wastewater testing in New
Zealand showed the kiwi's cocaine consumption was at an all
all time high rather with the latest quarter consumption almost

(43:08):
twice as high as a previous year's average, so double
the amount of cocaine usage in a year's time.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
I mean, well, we all know how dublin goes exponential exactly,
but within five days you'll all be on it.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
But I one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you are
in a social circle that regularly consumes cocaine, we'd love
to hear from you. There's no judgment here, but I
think a lot of listeners would be surprised how popular
it is, particularly in the big cities. I one hundred
eighty ten eighty. The phone lines have already let up
nine two nine tools the text number it is ten

(43:44):
past two. Back pretty shortly here on news Talks edb.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Wow, your new home of afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor
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Speaker 2 (44:00):
Talk s'b Well, the phone lines have led up I
eight hundred and eighty ten to eighty. And it is
on the back of Colombian President of course Stavo Petro
saying that cocaine is no worse than whiskey and is
calling for the legalization of that particular drug.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Here's a text on nine two two boys. I went
to a wedding on the weekend and I was surprised
how rampant drugs were, including the wedding party. On the
day of the wedding. I couldn't believe how open they
were at offering to everyone at the wedding. Yeah. So
whatever our process of dealing with drugs in New Zealand,
it doesn't seem like the usage is going down if

(44:38):
that is the goal of what we're doing. So do
we agree? And it sounds like a weird thing to say,
but do you agree with the Colombian President Gustavo Petro
who says cocaine is no worse than whiskey and it
should be sold like wine. Let's go to the phones, Willie,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (44:56):
Yeah, yeah, good eh, Yes, I'll be about the sedictive
qualities of cocaine. I disagree with that. I was in
Peru about forty years ago.

Speaker 19 (45:06):
And.

Speaker 8 (45:08):
I would have had it on a daily basis for
about I suppose four weeks, the last four or five
weeks I was there, and I left the country and
that was it, no addiction at all.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
So you came back to New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (45:21):
And you didn't the places, but I went to.

Speaker 8 (45:24):
Other places but I didn't. Yeah, I didn't have any
more cocaine.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
And you've never you've never had cocaine again after that,
that sort of flirtation with it in Peru.

Speaker 8 (45:33):
Yeah, that was pretty Yeah, I haven't. I've had it since,
but hardly any not much at all.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
How was how was your experience? So how long did
you say that you were taking cocaine and Peru.

Speaker 8 (45:42):
For oh for about five or six weeks.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Right, and every day?

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (45:49):
And And how was how was your time over there?
How was that five or six weeks?

Speaker 5 (45:53):
It was?

Speaker 8 (45:54):
Yeah, it was good, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
I get lots of sleep, Yeah, just normal.

Speaker 8 (45:59):
Well, I wasn't hugging out on it. I was just
having it sort of yeah, once a day, I suppose
in the evening.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
And what were you doing over there at the time, surfing?
So you so you're on a holiday kind of thing.

Speaker 8 (46:14):
Yeah, and the surfers over there all have it before
they go out, okay ya they call it because they
use their keys to get their keys into a bag. Yeah,
snip it up their nose here.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, I understand. It's very different from the cocaine that
we get in New Zealand because you know, in yeah,
it's more Yeah, So I mean there's a lot of
dangerous stuff that exists in the cocaine that's sold in
New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (46:39):
I've had it here and it's it's rubbish. Really, it's
sort of speedy here.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
So the cocaine when you were taking it in Peru,
was it more of a half hour high and then move.

Speaker 8 (46:50):
On and no longer longer than that an hour an
hour and a half.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Yeah, did you find yourself talking a lot of crap?

Speaker 8 (47:03):
The people who are listening to me.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Well, if they're taking cocaine as well, they're probably talking
their own.

Speaker 8 (47:14):
You talk of it. Yeah, it's not too bad.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
And in terms of, you know, the social aspect of
it in Peru, is it pretty normal? Pretty normal to normal.

Speaker 8 (47:23):
Normal Here you go to a medium market, app market
establishment and you're going to the toilet and your your
here is sniffing, not not get flushes or anything like that, sniffing.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
And as it over there, I mean a while back
that you're talking about, was that scene as a huge
social harm over there? That cocaine was causing problems obviously
cause problems with the cartails and the selling it and
then smuggling it, But.

Speaker 8 (47:52):
Any of that, I didn't see any of that. I
think yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
So so when it comes to that, yeah, no, great
to chat to you, Willie. So when it comes to
what the Colombian president has has said, and we've got
to take it with a little bit of grain assault
because it does become legal, they make yeah, they make
a lot of money. But do you do you see
some rational behind the idea of looking at those drug
laws when it comes at like of likes of cocaine,

(48:21):
a lot.

Speaker 8 (48:21):
Of I do I do?

Speaker 2 (48:25):
All right?

Speaker 8 (48:25):
Because they said this about marijuana, Remember that they sit
there highly addictive of ours and all vessel of things,
and it turns out it's not addictive at all.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Is there is it in your experience? Well, there's so
much of a cocaine scene down in.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Dunedin, I would never clue you're.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Outside of that. Hey, thank you so much for your call, Willie.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Very interesting one hundred eighty eight. I mean, that's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Imagined he was checking his pockets and his luggage a
lot before he flew out of Peru.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, you want to put the suitcase through the washing machine,
don't you before you jump on the on board the flight.
Uh quick, a couple of teas and we'll take more
of your calls get a boys, if you've been to
any sports team changing rooms recently in the UK, you'd
be surprised the lines are racking up as soon as
the final whistle blows. It's massively overrated, as a dragon

(49:15):
wears off after thirty minutes, and it's not that addictive,
but massive in UK circles.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yeah, this is an interesting question, guys. What measurement of
whiskey is no worse? A Columbian president said, a bottle,
a shot, a drum.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
It's a fair point.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah. Well, I mean when that's the thing, I mean,
when you think about harm of anything, a one one
two five of gin can do. There's not many things
in the world that can do more harm than a
one one two five of gin and an eighteen year
old can work. And I'm not saying they shouldn't be
able to do, but you know we I believe you
could take responsibility for yourself, but an eighteen year old

(49:55):
can walk into a bottle store and walk out with
ten one one two fives of gin. Yeah, and that
serious damage to your life.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Definitely. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number. Call nine two nine two is the text number.
It's eighteen past two.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Bag very shortly, So, Tiles, I hear you've been thinking
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Speaker 3 (51:02):
The ride height and shock absorbers.

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Speaker 1 (51:12):
Oh, will Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on used talk zb OH had.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
One hundred eighty ten eighty listening to Matton Tiles and
we're talking about cocaine. This is on the back of
the President of Columbia. Funny he would say this of
all people, the President of Columbia saying that it's no
worse than whiskey, and we should look to make it
legal around the world. Of course that would be a
good thing for Colombia.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
As textas says, I don't know if it would be
a good thing.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
It might be.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
I think it'd be a good thing for the nation
of Colombia. Yeh, Columbia. But I think there has been
a lot of pushback from the cartels because you're making
a hell of a lot of money selling it. Hey, guys,
not really into taking cocaine myself. But here are a
few few bits I found online that were one second,
about four hundred texts came through and now one disappeared.

(52:06):
Here we go, I'm back. I found that would make
you think I would prefer to drink whiskey damage to
the nasal tissues. Cocaine is corrosive and can cause significant
damage to the delicate tissues inside the nasal passages. Who
was that famous someone famously burnt out their septum snorting
so much cocaine or speech?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
That was that Stevie Nicks burnt out septum from.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Cocaine or so. Frequent use may lead to inflammation ulces,
an erosion of the nasal septum. That's sort of saying
the cartilage that separates the nostrils and oral lesions. Cocaine
users may develop oral lesions such as a painful saws
or blisters as a result of the drug's corrosive properties.
These lesions can make eating and speaking uncomfortable and can

(52:48):
lead to more severe oral health issues if cocaine use persists.
Cocaine in both powder and crack form can cause brain
damage over long term. Long term use can cause alterations
and brain structures that make it very hard to quit,
or may cause someone to relapse after long periods of sobriety.
Sounds like someone's used some kind of AI.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
That sounds terrifying. Yeah, and Google says it's Danniella westbrook
Off east Enders.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, yeah, so you're definitely taking too much cocaine if
the middle of your nose rots out and you've just
got one hose pipe up the middle.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yeah, but that's east Inders money, isn't it. You can
afford to have a lot of cocaine when you're on
east Enders, someone said, Kate most Moss.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
I also thought it. Stevie Nax's at one point lost
them the septing of a nose. But these might all
be rumors.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, there was some good pr about cocaine in Hollywood,
wasn't there. Michael, how are you?

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Yeah? Yeah, good things, Tyles, how are you doing?

Speaker 3 (53:40):
God?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
That's kind of stick, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (53:44):
Hey.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
The one thing I've sort of heard people say around
the prohibition doesn't work. But I look at the three
non prohibited drugs. There's a cafeine, tobacco, and alcohol, and
they seem to be the three most popular ones. It
seems to me that the ones that are prohibited. Yeah,
it buzz things worked to reduce the usage. So yeah, look,

(54:09):
I know the issue is whether or not the harm
caused by the drug is greater than the harm caused
by the gangs. And you know, it's hard to know,
because if that's if that's legalized, are the games going
to stop, to cease to exist, ory they're going to
sell something else, you know, Like I don't think they're

(54:29):
going to say, all right, well it's legal now, is
to shut down our operations and go away and start
being nice people, you know, like I just find something
else to sell.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess, I guess. I guess, Michael.
You could argue that with the other type of Coca cola.
You could say, like a few ban Coca Cola for
selling coca cola. They could sell another product. But it
is a very successful product that they've got on their box.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Oh it is. But I mean, I don't And you know,
obviously that's you know, there is going to be a
demand that's trust for coke cocaine. But there's also we've
seen that some of the techniques that the games used
to there's plevia product illicit products out there that the
same sort of approach could be used with, you know,

(55:12):
And and so I'm not sure that what the question
is not prohibition or no probiss The question is really
is the you know, is it going to actually be
any change of harm from gangs. If we prohibit cocaine
or if we stop probitting cocaine okain, you know, I'm
not sure that it will actually see a difference in

(55:32):
the activity, And so all we're doing is making something
that is harmful more popular.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Yes, it's an interesting one, isn't it, Because you can
also have sort of unforeseen circumstances because we'd probably all
agree that meth is worse than cocaine. Yeah, so you
know they're going to find sometimes the product they find
to sell as worse than the product that you're currently
you're currently selling. But I would say one of the
things about those topic those you know, alcohol, it has

(56:01):
a huge amount of marketing behind it, doesn't it. So
if you we wouldn't want to say, I can't imagine
many people supporting a situation where cocaine is then advertised
on billboards and me and Tyler read out a advert
you know, when Tyles read out never about cocaine. We
wouldn't That would not be a good outcome.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
I don't think no, But it could be a little
bit like there's the there's an online betting agency that's
been banned in India, So what they have now is
a news channel that uses exactly the same name as
that betting agency that sponds as a whole in a
cricket event, you know, And and there's ways around it.

(56:41):
There is ways around any sort of band. But you know,
I guess all we have to one who is just
finding that balance of is making it harder and actually
making it happen less. And at the moment it seems
to be. But it seems like maybe we're losing that battle.
So we have to think about how do we do
it smarter rather than stop doing it. Let's be smarter

(57:02):
about it.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Yeah, Michael, You've got to say though, out of from
Columbia's perspective, and that's where we started this conversation. From
the prison of Columbia. They have murder on a phenomenal scale.
It's just a river of blood around the cocaine trade,
primarily into America and Europe. And you know what's happening
with Mexico and the power that's given to go cartels.
So over there, it's kind of a different different argument

(57:25):
than it is here, isn't it Because we're talking is
it going to edit it?

Speaker 5 (57:28):
And but for them, if they were to decriminalize it,
the impacts would be negligible because who's going to be
buying It's not It's not the Colombians for the buying it.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
No, really what they're saying. They're saying is called America
and and Europe can legalize it for them in Canada. Yeah,
that's really what there are.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
Please please make our lives easier.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Michael, thank you very much, great to chat every good afternoon,
severe points. I mean, look, very shortly we're going to
have a chat to the executive director of the New
Zealand Drug Foundation, Sarah Holm, so we'll put some questions
to her. But on the back of the increase in
our cocaine use in New Zealand over the past twelve months,
that there was a bump, no pun intended, in the

(58:18):
amount of cocaine we were having. I wonder that what
that part was. I line that up. I lined that up.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Did you line that one up as well?

Speaker 8 (58:27):
Bone?

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Bone, hair, all day? Come here all day? Right, coming
up before.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
We go, just after the break, I wanted just a
little question for you, how how many people in New
Zealand do you think used cocaine in the twenty two
to twenty three year twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three.
Just a number? How many? How many people in New Zealand? Wow?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
So a number?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Oh mane two have a guess.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Okay, I'll give you an answer very shortly. It is
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Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Lock him up, Lock him up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
So my question before the break was what how many
people in New Zealand's use cocaine in the twenty twenty
two to twenty twenty three year. It was a ninety
three percent increase on the previous three years average. All right,
we've got a guess here. Six hundred and seventy five thousand.
Kevin says half a million. Who Jesse says two hundred

(01:00:46):
and fifty thousand. Wow, you're all wrong. According to executive
director Sarah Halm of the Drug Foundation, fifty six thousand
people one point three percent of the population use cocaine
in that year, which was a ninety three percent increase
of the previous year's average.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
It feels a little bit light.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Fifty six thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Yeah, one point three percent of the population. I thought
it was more rampant than that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
You operating me year circles. Though famous upper echelon.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Certainly was eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
It's basically still the eighties in christ Chitch before you left. Yeah,
some that does seem there's a lot less than everyone
everyone guessed, wasn't it. But as a bunch of texts
are saying, how does it work with the wastewater because
this person is saying when he parties, he goes outside,
so it never goes through the wastewater system.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yeah, I mean when you use the old the old
duney water as a test for drugs, it's not going
to be that accurate, is it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Some of those some of those drug takers aren't the
types that you use the bathroom. A cocaine is way
better for you than coca colas. Is this text of
four days ago. I shared a Gram with a friend
while working on my bike, and it has its place. Oh,
I see, I thought it was Instagram. I thought, how
in a cinema shared an Instagram message with a friend?
I was like, what did you share?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Call you need Flanders?

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I shared a gram of cocaine with a friend while
working on my bike. It has its place there you go, there,
you go. Wow. So leave's life as it would pull
the pin on cartails, therefore less deaths, et cetera. I
love it. It's a shame it's so expensive. Legalizing it
would make it more available and you drink much much
less alco and coke, so it's got to be good

(01:02:19):
for you the ego Dean. Thanks for your text.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Keep those teas coming through on nine to two please,
I use your real name, nine two Nat. How are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:02:27):
Good, good, good, Yeah, just my two cents. I look
why I've lived in Australia. I've traveled exceed spleep through
South America and I've you know, like I left a
decade away out of New Zealand. Then before I left
New Zeland, you'd sort of match sort of stuff. It's
the kind of sort of thing you don't see other

(01:02:48):
movies and you come back and it's definitely a lot
more prevalent in social circles. But it's just quite a
funny way about looking at things because you travel through
South America and it's you do see the destruction that
the the criminal Act heavity behind it, and you can

(01:03:10):
see sort of the argument from the side of things
about if if it were to be legalized at least
in Columbia. You know, like like to say that the
the the bloodshed that it leaves behind is pretty bad.
And and like in my honest opinion having worked overseas

(01:03:33):
and when I was in Australia, I worked in the
letter industry, and you've got to see the destruction that
the that that I mean, I know, one goes, oh,
you know, look it's not bad. It's go talk to
any anyone that works midnight, the night shift on a
Saturday or Friday night and now in the hospitals, and
I'll tell you differently. It's you know, the the amount

(01:03:55):
of ways on our health system on the destruction of
Alcoholand like I played by drink and in my time
I've done any more. But in my time I've I've debbled,
and I'm on the on the onion that's to be honest,
anything and excess is as bad, you know, alcohol, cocaine.

(01:04:17):
I mean, I mean probably to an extent. I've never
done this before, but probably even met them fam and
I'm sure there's probably various social users who aren't but
everyone paints a picture of you know, someone with gummy
or gummy mouse who's already doing the stuff every single day.
So not that I am. I'm very much on the

(01:04:38):
fence about the legalization here, but you know, at the
end of the day, people are going to do it,
and whether you legalize it, whether that's going to attract
a whole lot more users, I don't know. I mean,
look at the way that they've shifted towards marijuana. Now
they've got control on it and and yeah like that,

(01:04:59):
you know, they can then prescribe it and it's the
cleaner product.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
So interesting.

Speaker 15 (01:05:05):
One form goes now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
That just if I put you on this spot in
your gut feeling, would you think that if you could
have one or the other? So the choice was, and
this is just an imaginary decision to be made that
all alcohol was illegal but cocaine was legal, or vice
versa versa. Which one do you think would do more
damage to a society.

Speaker 15 (01:05:29):
Well, it depends portionally. You're probably going to have proportionally
higher users of alcohol than you are a cocaine. But
it's hard to tell. I mean, it's just I don't
think you could really even answer that I mean that
would just be my perception, and I don't know that
said pretty hard because you've got people who abuse alcohol.
You've only got to got people who go to AA
because they abused alcohol. It's just like you're going to

(01:05:51):
have people who abused cocaine.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Well. And also, yeah, sorry, there's a difference between legalized
and decriminalized. So if you totally legalize to the point
where people that companies could advertise cocaine, then.

Speaker 15 (01:06:06):
I would be one for decriminalization of all drugs. But
legalization is the one where you've got to go. Once
you kind of go there, do you go back? So
I do see the arguments on both sides, but you
do got to realize, I mean, this is going up.
People are going to do it anyway what it can
get cut down with. So do you get on board

(01:06:27):
or do you just try and find a never ending,
a neverring battle. So I mean, look, he goes South America.
I traveled there, you know, like it's funny because you know,
it's legal and a lot of places here to chew
the coca leaves, and I choose them over there, you know,
I tew them when I did some I did some
some mountain mountaineering over there, and they chew it. They

(01:06:49):
use it as they use it as a high level
attitude for like altitudes of missing at a clumalization, and
that derived from cocaine. That's where it comes. So it's
just you know, just not down in the in the
form of cocaine.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
So I had some friends who went over to work
in dairy farms over there, and you're right, neck, that
was a commonplace that they just chew on the cocoa
leaves and it was just like having a cup of
tea in the.

Speaker 15 (01:07:13):
Morning, pretty much, just like having a very strong cover
of coffee. And I mean it tastes like crap, but
but you know, everyone does it. I mean, I think
the worst thing about it is you just see bloody
playing bags everywhere. But you know, but yeah, interesting one.
I can definitely see it from the Colombian side. My

(01:07:35):
wife is actually Colombian, so but she hates the stuff.
But yeah, like you see, so she's got a strong
opinion on it too, because the destruction of her own people,
it's pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Yeah. Yeah, well, thank you so much to be cool
and I appreciate your thoughts. One of the business is
coke is destructive. My partner was addicted and it nearly
destroyed our marriage and family. It's been two years of
absolute how the rationale behind there thinking well on it
is just not there. They can't they can justify everything
well on it. There's no hangover as such. You can
do it anytime. When reality starts a hit, you snort

(01:08:12):
more to justify your actions. Again, probably much the same
as alcohol, but their visible effects are very different in
the moment. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. You know,
if someone's drunk all the time, then you know they're
drunk all the time.

Speaker 8 (01:08:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
I mean, if I was coming to work drunk all
the time right at tiles rather than just most of
the time, then you start to notice.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Yeah, yeah, certainly what just on the decriminalizeation of it.
I can see the arguments, particularly here in New Zealand,
where you do have drugs that are acquired by an
increasing number of people with the New Zealand and you
don't know what's in that drug, right, It's quite often
heavily cut with substances, and we're hearing more and more

(01:08:52):
about fentanyl being cut into cocaine burgushue in the States.
So when you decriminalize it. Do you lower the risk
of this drug being cut with incredibly dangerous substances?

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Yeah, because that's the thing about these drug dealers, very
design funny that you can't trust anything they say.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Where are your morals?

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
There's a higher than zero chance that what they're selling
you isn't what they say they're selling you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It's eighteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Beg for you, surely, Mattie Taylor Adams with you as
your afternoon rolls on matt and Taylor Afternoon with the
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Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
They'd be Derek, good afternoon to you.

Speaker 18 (01:09:39):
Your good afternoon, chests. Okay, I'm cleaning sober now after
forty two years of alcohol abuse and ABC classes of drugs.
Now I've got two points. I wonder how many millions
of dollars of cash are being rocking around in New
Zealand in a year, be it be it in someone's
house or if it's laundered or buying assets. I often

(01:10:01):
wonder what a cashless society would do to the whole
drug trade in New Zealand. Point, the banks will start noticing, well,
you know, and then people say, oh, we could use
crypto coins. Well you know Gary from Glenn and this
doesn't know how to do that, you know sort of thing.
So you know, I reckon it was absolutely stuff. And
the second point is, mate, if I wanted to spend

(01:10:23):
time around someone who's just spent say, eighty dollars on
cocaine mes or heroin, or someone who's just drunken eighty
dollars of alcohol, I know which person I'd rather be around.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Yeah, but what about someone that's taken myth every day
for two Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:10:42):
I'm in an organization that helped an Auckland here, that
helps men and women get off myth. And I've just
been at a barbecue where there was sixty men and
most of them have got breathlets on, and they're all
trying to sort out their lives.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
Some will get it and.

Speaker 8 (01:10:56):
A lot won't.

Speaker 18 (01:10:56):
They'll they'll talk the talk, but won't walk the walk,
and they'll end up relaxing and going back to jail.
And you're right, mess is a huge problem in this country.
But the one thing about the cake the Columbian present,
I mean, if it was tax that money could be
used to help the suffering. I mean, and every society
there's always going to be addictions that go way over

(01:11:19):
the top. And there's always going to be that student
that just wants to have it head on a Friday
or Saday night at a nightclub and that's all they do.
I understand that. But like anything, it's like food. One day.
One day at a burger bar, someone will have to say, sorry,
I can't serve you three burgers and two milkshakes because
you're just too fat.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
And you know, well that might be a thing that
we need to look into. Yeah, nation, do you think
that there's people that are just have addictive natures and
really yeah, so they'll find something addicted to.

Speaker 18 (01:11:48):
Yeah, and a lot of us do some sort of
trauma in their life, mate, I mean, you know, and
you know, no pain, no pain, no brain, no brain,
no pain is a big thing with addicts, mate, you know,
and it's just a mark. I mean, I did forty
two years to you know, to avoid facing the trauma
and dealing with it. And it took me a lot
of years to deal with it. But you know, I
love my life now with having to use alcohol A

(01:12:11):
drugs are crutch to get through each day, and you
know it's it's a hard road, but you know it's
worth it at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
On you, Derek, and congratulations for sorting that out out.
A lot of people don't after that long, so good
on you and all the best for the future. Mate,
appreciate your call.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Thanks Derek. Right coming up very shortly, we're gonna have
a chat to Sarah Helm. She's the executive director of
the New Zealand Drug Foundation. They've got some strong opinions
when it comes to drug legislation, so we'll have a
chat to her very very shortly. It is twelve minutes
to three. You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Good afternoon,
the issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
There be good discussion and to ty this in a
bow is New Zealand Drug Foundation Executive director Sarah Helm. Sarah,
very good to chat with you this afternoon.

Speaker 7 (01:13:10):
How you doing good?

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Thanks? What do you think of the Colombian president's claims
that cocaine is no worse than whiskey.

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
Look, I don't know about you, but whiskey has never
done me any favors. I think, Look, Sisley, Columbia has
a totally different context from us. They have you know,
some figures put it over half a million people have
died from the war on cocaine and drugs there, and

(01:13:37):
you know, applants coca that a lot of their indigenous
people had considered sacred mid the snow. US been banned
from the war on drugs and they're desperately trying in
that war on drugs in Colombia. So I think that's
in a very different context that he's making those comments.
And certainly history would tell us that there have been economic, political,

(01:14:01):
and cultural reasons as to how various substances have been
treated by legislation and laws that don't necessarily stack up
to the level of harm or help us address harm.
So yeah, I think there is some truth, but also
important context and what he's saying, Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Saying, but Sarah, what if we did bring it back
home to New Zealand. What do you think about decriminalization
of cocaine and New Zealand? On balance? Do you think
that would be more harm or less harm than the
situation we've got.

Speaker 7 (01:14:32):
Now, Oh yeah, I think it all depends on how
these things are done. So legislation, say, take alcohol, for example,
our legislative framework is so permissive that we've got you know,
kind of too much alcohol and society causing quite a
lot of harm. So in our context, it's absolutely undeniable

(01:14:54):
that alcohol causes the most harm in New Zealand overall,
and partly because it's just really available, but also because
it's got so many you know, a range of harm.
So if you think about it, things like harm to
yourself over a period of time, cancer, heart disease, going
on waite, then harmed to other people, violent offending, car

(01:15:16):
accidents and family violence and all that kind of stuff.
So there's a lot in alcohol, but they're both substances
that can be addictive and canon do cause harm. So
really important point.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
So, Sarah, we're talking to Sea Helman from the New
Zealand Drug Foundation. Do you what do you what do
you think cocaine use because the stats say that's it's doubling.
What do you think cocaine use is increasing so much
in New Zealand?

Speaker 7 (01:15:46):
Yeah, looks I mean historically we've barely had any cocaine
which most people will be aware of. It's been limited
to a very small group of auckland is primarily getting
their hands on it, and therefore it's got a bit
of a glamorous reputation. But actually there are some harms
with that, and the increase in supply is basically internationally

(01:16:10):
the product producers of cocaine have become much more efficient
at producing cocaine, so the production levels have gone up.
I think it was like thirty percent in one year alone,
So we've seen a glut of it and therefore it
been pushed into markets where it hasn't really been before.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Is it true that New Zealand has targeted for cocaine
sales because it's so profitable selling it here, because it's
you know, it's more expensive to buy it here, you
can charge more.

Speaker 7 (01:16:42):
Yeah, probably yes, San No, I think the price has
come down. I think it's actually competitive or even cheaper them.
We've been better man from memory at the moment, so
the price has actually come down. But definitely some of
the substances have included attracts a higher price here and
as one of the reasons there are some specific arms
with cocaine that people should be aware.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
I know you've done some surveys. The Drug Foundation is
done survey on cocaine usage within the country tree in
the wastewater testing. But is it far more prevalent than
most people would realize.

Speaker 7 (01:17:14):
No, it's still only a small percentage of people, So,
you know, drug use overall, Almost every New Zealanders tried alcohol.
Many most New Zealanders continue to use alcohol regularly. Most
New Zealanders have tried cannabis. A smaller percentage go want
and use it regularly, and with the sort of MDMA cocaine,

(01:17:38):
which that's quite different from MDMA in some ways, but
that's a smaller group. So it's only a few percent
that use that in any one year, but a bigger
percentage have actually tried it, so it's not completely unusual to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Use it either.

Speaker 14 (01:17:56):
People.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Yes, So cocaine use in terms of the things that
the drug use New Zealanders worry about or need to
worry about as near the bottom of the pile.

Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
Sort of, I do. I mean, we are witnesses. It's
quite a significant growth in our cocaine consumption, and I
think we can't ignore that. I don't I think that
trend we're expecting to continue unless we do something about it.
So it does have some harms with it. For example,
one then people might not be aware of is that

(01:18:27):
it has a very specific compulsive readosing effects. So you know,
when you finish a drink, you can't want another one
because your glass is empty with cocaine they've tested on
wrapped and they just keep wanting to take it because
there's actually this additional phenomenon in your body where you
just really want more.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Yeah, fascinating stuff. Sarah. We're out of time, but thank
you very much for joining us on the program to
have a chet interesting discussion. It certainly was right coming
up after three o'clock. Little secrets you've got in your relationship,
Matt's certainly got one that you mentioned earlier this show.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Yeah, I'm harboring a terrible secret relationship that I'm about
to share your.

Speaker 11 (01:19:07):
New home for a full and it's a teating talk.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
It's Maddie and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo X
night on News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Good afternoon, welcome back into the program. Interesting chat this afternoon,
and it's not going to stop, it's going to carry on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Yeah, let's put the cocaine away. Ye, put that behind us,
back in to the case. It's probably not the way
to say it. Let's put it away. No, we didn't
have any out, but let's put that away. A cocaine.
It's one side the table and move on to this
topic here, which is lying and levels of lying in
a relationship. And this was just a little picture that

(01:19:43):
I sent Tyler on the weekend. And it was me
because we've been we've been talking a little bit about
you know, weight and health and we and we tried
to lose weight over the break and I did, but
Tyler didn't. And so I was just sending him a
picture of a little cheek that I was doing. I
was cheating on my partner and I seen him a
little picture.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Yeah, and you look like you were having a great time.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Yeah. And the way I was cheating on my partners,
and I might have suggested good to clarify, was by
slamming some some fries in a burger and a side
burger and some nuggets in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
And it wasn't a bougie burger. This was dirdy oh McDonald's.

Speaker 11 (01:20:23):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
So yeah, I mean, we don't need to but look like,
if you want to see the picture centum, I put
it up on Matt heathan z on my Instagram page,
put it up on my story if you want to
go there and have a look at how happy I
am out there. But what I'm being doing there is deceitful.
So we're just thinking about what's okay in a relationship
in terms of being honest or not, because so I'm

(01:20:44):
supposed to be eating healthy at the moment. It's sort
of a discussion we've had and we've got a program
on So because I wanted to eatmcdonald's, I ate it
in the car in the front of the house, and
then I went in and ate my dinner as well.
So that is that a level of dishonesty that you're
allowed to run in a relationship. Not my relationship with Tyler,
my relationship with Tracy. Because I was very honest to

(01:21:07):
you about about slamming this burger, very honest. You're very
proud in fact I sent you a picture of it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
You did you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Yeah, it's deceitful in doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
But is it deceitful if Tracy didn't ask you when
you walk through the door, Hello, Matt, how was your day?
I've got this nice dinner. It looks beautiful, Tracy, thank
you, you sat down, you ate it, and nothing was said
about Hey, by the way, did you stop at Mecha's
on the way home.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Why aren't you so hungry for your salad?

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
Yeah? So you?

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Why ain't you raving us for the salad in front
of you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
So if no questions are asked, I don't know if
it's that deceitful, is it? I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Should should relationships be one hundred percent honest all the time?
Should you tell everything? Or is it okay to keep
because it's a lie by a mission, isn't it? Because
because she hasn't specifically asked me to my face, are
you slamming burgers in the car before you came up?

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
You know, And then under that circumstance, I'd probably have
to say yes I was, because that would be a
direct lie. But what about slamming the burgers, then cleaning
up the mess, and then hiding and make sure there's
no chips on the floor of the car, and then
getting rid of all the events.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
It's a step above, and you go and just hide
it right down the bottom there there's a step above.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Oh, that's a good point. Doesn't really sound dishonest if
you post it online. Not really a secret anymore. I
got to take that down. Yah, she doesn't know when
it was. And if she's listening to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
I've got another one for you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
I think that's a very good point. I think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
I've got another one for you. So quite often and
me and may will watch a series together, right, TV series,
And we try to watch one episode a night, maybe
every couple of nights. But sometimes, if I'm really loving
the series, when she goes to Beard, I'll watch another
episode by myself. And then when it comes time to
rewatch that episode, I won't tell her I've watched it.

(01:22:55):
Oh yeah, I'll watch it again and old pretend like
your first time I'm watching it. Has that been deceeend?

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Well, that's a huge problem in a lot of relationships,
isn't it. They trying to keep in sync with the
watching the TV series.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Yeah, but I'm only punishing myself at that scenario, aren't
I Because I'm watching that episode twice. Mayve doesn't need
to know. I mean she knows now because I've just
said it on radio. Yeah, but she doesn't need to
know that I've been a bit cheeky and watched it
ahead of time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Yeah, but I read this book called Lying both a
neuroscientist called Sam Harris, and he argued, and I wrote
about my own book that any kind of lying is bad,
any lying at all, and there should be no lying
in your life. You should aim to be completely truthful
all the time. So having the burger in the car,
someone says, Matt, you only let yourself down by aiding

(01:23:41):
that that might be true. Yeah, but there is a
level of dishonesty for it. And what I have to say,
as I enjoy the level of dishonesty, it made the
burger taste all the better because I know I was
been naughty and eating it outside when I wasn't supposed to.
It made me feel like a little kid again.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
That little COVID COVID element of it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
But as that just a slippery slopes to having a
whole other family in Hamilton. Yeah, with the level of
disonesty that you start bringing into your life, this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Is going to be good. I eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Where is the life when it comes
to lime? Was what Matt did? Dishonest and deceitful or
do we all have these little things that we do
that it's not quite lime, but it feels a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Yeah, like this text here in nineteen nine two, I
had a job canceled and playing nine holes and instead
partner thought I was at.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Work like a style, like his style. Right, let's get
into this. Nine two nine two is the text number
twelve past three is Matt Heath a dirty little lie? Well, look,
I would have gone away with this life and done
two things. I've just been rumbled.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
One.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
The first mistake I had about my slamming burger and
fries in the car was bringing it up by posting
it on social media so you could see the picture
of it on my Instagram account Matt eating zid. The
second was bringing up on Newstalk zeb was ver I've
rumbled myself stupidly, a load amateur, And I just got
a text from my lovely partner Tracy saying I always.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Know, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Yeah, but she didn't know. She says, I always know,
but she didn't say anything until I posted on social
media and talked about it on the biggest radio station
in the country. Anyway, we're asking what level of a
deceitful madness is allowed in a relationship. This Texas says,
wife thinks I haven't had a can of v in
introdrink for four years. I have one every day.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
She doesn't need to know. It's just a harmless, little
little lie. This one said, Guys, I had a partner
who lied about absolutely everything to me and all my friends.
Didn't take long for us to realize. But he denied, denied, denied,
even though we all knew. He couldn't understand why I
didn't want him, even though I told him when we

(01:25:38):
first meet. I can't stand being lied to. Truth and
trust is everything in a relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Like is it just a slippery like? Yes, I say,
first you're just sneaking a little burger in the car,
and the next thing you know, you're stealing money from
their person.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
I don't know how these things go. Matthew, How are you.

Speaker 8 (01:25:56):
Good?

Speaker 21 (01:25:56):
Thanks?

Speaker 14 (01:25:57):
How are you?

Speaker 8 (01:25:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
Very good? Matthew Tyler, What am I gonna ask you?

Speaker 21 (01:26:03):
How does may not know you've watched something? Because Netflix
always says there's that little line under or whatever, you know,
episode's already watched.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Good point, good point. And sometimes she does, Matthew because
She'll be watching and she'll be riveted and I'll be
on my phone and she said, why aren't you You're
not You're missing the storyline here. And then at that
point I have to admit and said, well, I kind
of watched most of this when you went to beards
last night. And then she'd flip out a little bit

(01:26:33):
and say, now, how dare you? You know this was
something that we were meant to watch together. So I
own up to that. But you're quite right. I mean,
the point there is that if she calls me out
on my little deceitfulness, I'll own up to it straight away.
I don't carry on the light.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Ye, sorry for a second, Mathew, but you will sit
through if she doesn't call you out on it. You
will sit through an entire episode of a show that
you've already watched, just to keep the peace.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Yeah, there's no need to start something unless you know
then she finds out this though.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
It's like an hour of your life. You'll never get bad.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
She's texting now, not happy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Yeah, and I've just got a text from my partner
saying you're only cheating yourself. Matt. It is true because
but I'm also but also it's deceitful her because she goes, well,
why isn't this diet we're on working, Why is matt
continue to get fatter and fatter?

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Where am I going wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
And we're having such good foods? But Matthew, you wanted
to pick a hole in my story as well.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
Why are you having macas outside the house?

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Well, because we've sort of talked about trying to have
a good diet, and then sometimes I go on these
extreme things, or I go on a carnival diet or whatever,
and then I suddenly want to have the McDonald's because,
let's be honest, I had a few drinks night before
and suddenly I'm very very excited about Yeah, so why not?

Speaker 21 (01:27:48):
Or in the car parks and then the evidence at.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
So you're saying you're not questioning my cheating, questing the
execution of the cheating. Yeah, yeah, but I think we
worse if you get caught just sitting at the McDonald's
restaurant by yourself. I don't know. I mean, is that
any letter less pathetic than sitting out in the front
of the house in the car. I don't know, No, No,

(01:28:14):
all of it's pathetic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
I've certainly done that myself outside Kentucky fried Chicken, just
sitting in the weak car park having my chicken, thinking
what have I become? What's happened to my life? Man?
Thank you very much? Make Oh eight hundred eighty eighty
is the number to call this Texas here is don't
ask me no questions and I won't tell you no lies,
A nice lyric from Lyonard Skinnard.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Yeah, well, George Costanzo and Seinfeld said, it's not lying
a lie if you believe it. It's from beven And
that's what he believe because he was pretending to be
Art Vandalay and importer exporter, wasn't he for? And then
he was pretending to marine biologist. And at some point
he said thing, as long as I've been pretending to
be this guy so long, I think I can afford
myself a pretend house in the Hamptons. And then he

(01:28:58):
had to take his parents, his parents in law, all
the way out and lied all the way about having
this house all the way out in the drive to it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Do you want to take life lessons from George Costanza? Though, Oh,
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty Where is a line
when it comes to those little lies that might not
hurt anybody specifically, but may cause a few problems in relationship.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighties of great tecks coming
through on nineteen ninety two, nineteen past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Back in a month, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Good afternoon, twenty two past three.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
We're talking about little lies in the relationship. Are they
okay or not?

Speaker 8 (01:29:42):
Either?

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
A simply slope this Texas says on nine two nine two.
Sometimes I would wait at the end of the road
until hob he got home first one home Cooxtenner. I'd
eat my Pixie caramel and stroll on my scroll on
my phone until he pulled them the drive. We both
pretended he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Know genius David, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 14 (01:30:01):
Yeah? Hello, Matt and Tyler. Got some sorts. But number one, Matte,
you're one brave Jude. Your show goes out to I
don't know how many hundreds of thousands of people on
the law is. There's probably a thousand people in this
country that know your young lady Tracy. Tracy Heath and
you've stolen from my thunder. But I can imagine she'd

(01:30:24):
be getting hundreds of not sounds of people call.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
She texted within about thirty seconds of me saying it,
so it was a full of player. So in a way,
I've been honest, you know, yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:30:36):
Yeah, Well that's fine for last more than I more
than I frowned. I've had several relationships which I've been
more than fifty percent responsible for destroying. And because of
the fact that one little secret becomes one little lie,
one little lie becomes a bigger lie, and the bigger

(01:30:57):
secret before you know it, the trust is not so
much the trust of your partner has dissolved. It's trust
in yourself. And that I'm not being critical everyone, just
taking it as one example. If you could answer me,
if you're in mind, why did you think it necessary
not to tell Tracy that you'd have a couple of murgers.

(01:31:21):
Were you scared of were you scared of what she
might say or what them?

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you the full story, David.
I've asked her to fat shame me and to hassle
me into eating properly, because she's very good with her diet,
and she thinks about these things, and and she hassles
me to go to the gym on my request. You know,
I've kind of put her in charge of of sorting
me out in that regard, which is which is a
job she takes quite seriously, and and I really, I

(01:31:52):
really appreciate her efforts. So I guess it just felt
like I really wanted to have the food, but I
also didn't want I also wanted to keep her hassling me.
So as soon as I've done something like that, she'd
be like, well, what's the point anyway. You just go
off and have burger in your car anyway, so we're
never going to make any difference. I guess that's probably why.

Speaker 14 (01:32:12):
You know, if I were to accomplish, a cynical man
might say, well, Matt's loves McDonald's is great, and the
love of.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
His wife, Well maybe for that, maybe at that one point,
briefly thirty seconds, thirty seconds of weakness, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:32:35):
Well, just one of it from my own side, just quickly,
and lastly, I am the last relationship I had which
I did value, which is no longer. One little thing
I promised that I'll get up smoking, and I couldn't,
so I didn't. So I'd sinking up the back of
the house and paf away and absorb some mouth washed

(01:32:57):
seen knew and you seen you, And it's just it's
the loss of trust, yeah, isn't it? And your brave
boy man too, And how soul of nation that you've
scott those burgers And she must be a beautiful human being.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Well she's give me a bit, agree from the text
machine on my phone right now. Hey, thank you so
much for you call. David. Appreciate it. He said. My
boyfriend lied to me about him coloring is here? I
can tell he dies? Is here? Do I call him
out or say the truth? M yeah? I mean I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Is it going to hurt his feelings?

Speaker 5 (01:33:36):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Yeah? This Texas says, I just got caught cheating on
my diet with the machas. I was doing the hard
seventy five with my son, trying to get him to
move and read lasted thirty seven days. He read two books,
A Lifeless Punishing and the a SEC Sports Almanac, The Game,
and he was disappointed with me. We had even signed
a bit and said he couldn't go on a drink

(01:33:59):
at Auckland City home games cost me one hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
It's a good text.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
It was it worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
This is a good text, afternoon, lads. We lie out
politeness every day. When someone says, hi, how are you,
we say yeah, good, because we know they don't want
to hear about all of our crap. Happens to all
of us every single day from goal. So that's a
good point. I don't know if you were not telling
Tracy about the Meccas out of politeness, but that's what
we do every week, at least, maybe sometimes every day.

(01:34:29):
In a relationship or with people around us. We lie
to protect feelings. Yeah, it is that okay to do
in a relationship because that's not a lie to be
deceitful and hurt someone. It's actually to save them from
being hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Yeah, I guess so. But I think that you can
end up having unforeseen circumstances. When I was a kid,
there was a mansion that was just down the road
from our house on the farm that there's really flash place,
And when I was being dropped off by a friend's mum,
I said, they said, where's your house, And I said,
that's my house. Because I always thought the house was cool. Yeah,
it was way bigger and flash in than our house.

(01:35:05):
So I said, ah, that's my house. So they dropped
me off there, and then a couple of weeks later
they were dropping my friend off to play with me
and drop them off at that house. He knocked on
the door and then there was no one knew what
was going on, so he walked off, didn't know where
to go. Then this phone calls them were out in
the street looking for him. So I don't know how.
You've got to be careful. I mean, I was eight

(01:35:25):
at the time, so it can't be too hard on me.
And it was a very cool house to pretend that
you lived in. But there's unforeseen circumstances about your dishonesty.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Who could have foreseen that?

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
Though?

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That takes the cake. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
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Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Thank you very much, Raylan. And we're talking about little
lies and relationships, are they okay or not? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
No, I I reckon zero tolerance for any kind of lies.
It's a slippery soap.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Well you've been called out now for your little little deceitfulness.

Speaker 8 (01:37:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
No, But then I just texted about that one and
I said, it's just content for the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
Okay, Yeah, what did she say to that? We're still
a reply.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
She hasn't come back on that. But yeah. So if
you've got examples of catching out someone lying, I one
hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two's the
text number. Or if there's a little lie you tell
that you thinks okay, is lying just a little bit
of a line relationship. Last Christmas, I spent money on
my mum's gift then I did on my I spent

(01:37:55):
more money on my mum's gift than I did on
my wife's because I paid in cash and destroy the receipts.
She'll never know. My wife doesn't understand how much my
mother sacrifice for me and my sisters. Many times she
went without food so we could eat. So I won't
feel guilty. All right, there you gain. So so he
feels he owes his mum more than he O's as partner,

(01:38:15):
so he spends more on the Christmas gift, but then
rips up the receipts.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
Yeah, that's but if you ever get found out in
that situation, I mean, for one, you shouldn't get into
that situation.

Speaker 11 (01:38:28):
To begin with.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
But they are questions you just don't want to answer,
I mean, because then it's going.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
To cause hurt, right, Yeah, if you lie in your
relationships with the sexty, you are actually lying to yourself.
What if someone asks you how they lock in a
particular outfit? Do you say the honest truth or do
you just say what you need to say to get
out the door and go where you're trying to go.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
It's a very good question, I'll be honest. I actually
would save a person's feelings. I mean, if it was
someone I really cared about and they asked me, hey,
do I look good in this particular dress or do
you still find me attractive? Of course I'd say absolutely absolutely,

(01:39:08):
because that saves their feeling. Clearly they're in a moment
of vulnerability, and I think that is an honorable thing
to do.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
Okay, but what about when princess breakfasts went to that
we're all wedding with that toilet seat on her head.
It was just a whole lot of use people saying
that looks you look great, and then she was out
and then the whole world was laughing at it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
Good question, George, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (01:39:31):
My question is politicians and their relationship with the public.
Now is weasel talk acceptable? Now? I want to explain it.
In the eighties I was involved with the Post Office
Union as an official. We had a major, a major
concern and we ended up with meeting with politicians and

(01:39:55):
we actually met in a pub quarry to discuss this.
And one of the conversations we had over a beer
after the discussions was all over, was at what point
do you know something? And he said, well, if you
tell me in the pub something privately about something that
you can send about is one thing. But officially I

(01:40:18):
don't know it until someone writes to me officially as
an MP and then informs me. So I can officially
stand up and say no, I have not been told
about something, and you describe that as weasel talk. Now,
you guys have been involved with the news in parliament
and you will know about this. So how acceptable is
weasel talk in parliamentary news media?

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
So what exactly do you mean by weasele talk?

Speaker 19 (01:40:44):
So that's why you don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 19 (01:40:47):
Know with you. If I sit in the pub with
you and tell you that as a as a, as
the owner of Shell New Zealand, that we're going to
be putting the petrol up next week, that when you
go back, because you're in a politician and someone says
to you in the news media is pful going up

(01:41:09):
next week, You're going to reply, we have not been informed, right, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
That, yeah, in that scenario, you're a bit of a mug,
if you know, because if you get caught out, and
there's been many a politician that's been caught out in
a lie like that, and that's the end of your career.
And if you sort of extend that, well sometimes if
you extend that to a relationship, you know, and you
get caught out in being deceitful, then that you lose trust, right,

(01:41:38):
And that's a similar situation.

Speaker 19 (01:41:40):
Well, I remember a news news article when you guys
were in the newsroom at Parliament and you accused one
of the MP's of weasel cork.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
I've never been in the newsroom in Parliament.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
I can't remember that.

Speaker 19 (01:41:55):
No, but one of you guys said, because we watched
the news media on TV when the guy did it,
I don't know who it was, but it was one
news media person. No, it's not you, but media.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
I wouldn't say that as part of the news media.
But you continue, Okay.

Speaker 19 (01:42:12):
You can hide out what would used to talking.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Yeah, yeah, but you know, you know we're not journalists, George,
you know, yeah, but.

Speaker 19 (01:42:22):
The journalists need to ask your questions the right way.
I'll give you an example. About two thousand and twelve,
John t was in Parliament and asked does the government
monitor the Internet? And he said no, because the question
should have been do you have access to everybody's Internet?
And the answer would have been yes.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Right, I see what it's saying. So there's a way
to get round it. I was thinking about that today.
So David Seymour was driving the you know, the up
the steps of Parliament, right, and he's apologized ye for
doing that? Ye that, like you know he I don't
think he had anything to apologize for. I thought it
was cool. That he drove the you know, drove up
the steps. But so his apology for that is because
he has to he has to apologize to sort of

(01:43:03):
move forward. But in his heart, he's like, I'm not
sorry I did that. Why would it be sorry?

Speaker 19 (01:43:08):
What would Because it's politically better for him to quell
the problem than it is to let it fester and grow.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
Yea, So his apology is a everyone knows that he
doesn't feel sorry about it, including so it's not really
a lie in a way because.

Speaker 5 (01:43:25):
Because it's a token, because.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
The speaker knows that he doesn't really he's not really sorry,
but he has to say sorry, yeah, to acknowledge that
some people are pretending it's a problem and they just
want to move on, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:43:38):
It's like when you watch parliament and you hear a
tarrade of abuse to some MP and then the speaker says,
you shouldn't say that, apologize. I'm sorry, sir, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Sorry that you got offender. George much.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
I think it's called double speakers. This Texas has came
through right now on it. Yeah, I mean that's an
interesting one, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:43:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
I mean the politician public relationship very different to you
and your partner relationship. But I argue where you're coming from.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
George didn't have sexual relations with that girl.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
Yeah, how did that work go for it? Oh e
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Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
They'd be We're talking about little lies and relationship and
little untruths in life, and whether honesty is always the
absolute best policy. I believe it probably is, even though
I fall short on it quite a lot. This this
text actually made me feel a little bit sad. On
nineteen nine two. Hey, guys, most days I tell my
wife I'm fine, when the reality is I'm not. It's

(01:44:51):
just life. Yeah, I mean sometimes if someone says the
UK and you say fine, is that really a liar?
Is It's more you don't want to go on to
describing exactly the complexities of how you're feeling. You may
not feel like you're justified to be feeling down. So
sometimes I'm fine, I'm fine just means I'm dealing with it.
It's nothing you can help me worth I'm fine, I'll

(01:45:12):
be I'll be okay. But if you said I'll be okay,
then I'll be like, how can I help?

Speaker 5 (01:45:17):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
But again, you're brown. Is that a lie to say
that I'm fine when you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
It is a lie. But you're protecting the other person.
And I know, I mean a lot of people have asked,
you know, we've had this problem with the rental being
too hot upstairs, And I know now I'm just punishing
people by being honest when they say how's the how's
the rental going in Auckland? And before I tell the
truth and say, oh, you know, we've we've got some
issues with upstairs, and I could just see their eyes
gloss over, just like, ah, he's telling me his problems.

(01:45:44):
What am I going to say here? So now I
just say it's good, we love it, it's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
Oh you dirty, dirty liar, Jock?

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
How are you have? I said that?

Speaker 8 (01:45:54):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:45:55):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:45:57):
Here there you go? Are you Jim?

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:45:59):
How are you fantastic?

Speaker 22 (01:46:02):
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:46:02):
Are you guys are spot on? I think we're all
sort of we all say we're okay, Well, tell a
lie without knowing it. I personally preferred dealing with the
truth because then you know what to deal with. I'll
quickly share something with you guys, just as a laugh.
Just before we came over about you know, over eight
years ago to New Zealand. We obviously had to get

(01:46:23):
rid of animals and you don't want to hurt the
kid's feelings. And we had a tortoise and the missus said, no,
the torto has been missing while we went looking for
this tort is, not knowing that she actually gave it
a wait to somebody. But we also had a dog
that we picked up. The beautiful little dog in this
thing's name was Charlie, and he crawled into her heart.

(01:46:47):
And then obviously time came to immigrate, and she said, no, no,
she found the real owner and his real name is Rambow,
you know. And I believed it. She only told me
the other day.

Speaker 5 (01:46:58):
It was a lie.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
What'd she do with the what happened to Charlie?

Speaker 22 (01:47:03):
No, she actually found a breeder and yeah, so on
pedigree dog.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
Has that affected your Has that affected your I don't
know belief what she sees across a number of other things.

Speaker 22 (01:47:19):
No, I trust her with my life, but I think
these things I've been victim as well. And it I'm
very passionate about the truth and only the truth, because
when I was younger, I was accused of something I
didn't do and I actually had to get a fighting
those days with a cane and there was blood sedting
out of my backside, and it was something I was

(01:47:40):
accused of doing which I didn't do, you know, so,
and you know those things that get worse when you
as you get older, people get accused of doing things.
But I think in a way, we get taught these
things when we're young. You know, you get taught about
the true theory and center tall, you know that, all
those sort of things. But it's yeah, I think it's

(01:48:00):
a fine line. But I think in cases to protect
family and kids innocently, you you sort of do tell
so innocent laws something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
Well on the kid question, yeah, on the kid question, Jock,
and you mentioned, you know, animals, I can understand if
a child is too young, say a child is five
or sex and the dog has coming to the end
of its life, is that the appropriate time to say,
you know, Charlie's got a bit sick and we've got

(01:48:31):
to do the right thing. And I know this is
hard to understand and try and explain it to a
five year old. Or do you say, Charlie has gone
to live on a farm and he's having the time
of his life.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
And yeah, but the problem is at one point then
a parent's going to die or someone close to them
is going to die. And these pet deaths are a
way to introduce the concept of death to kids in
an easier way, because there's going to be deaths that
come that they there's that you can't cover up.

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
You don't understand that.

Speaker 22 (01:48:59):
Yeah, so I think, yep, sorry, you carry up. No, no,
you go no, I'm just going to say it's a
good point, and it's I think it's you know what
the answer is depending on who's in front of you.
You know, you've got you can have. We've got three girls,
and you you sort of share different things with them
because they deal with things differently. Like one of our daughters,

(01:49:21):
I might have to actually say no, it's got out
to a farm, whereas the young is one older, say
you know, this has happened, and she'll deal with it.
And that way it sort of makes her b stronger,
but yeah, I don't think it's it's not an eaty
one Chi.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
Thank you so much for your call. This is another
very sort of touching text that we got through a
nine two nine two. My wife and I are both
very ill and often say no, I'm okay when she
asks how I'm feeling when I'm actually in a lot
of pain, and I know she does the same as
we do not want each other worrying too much. That's
from from Henry, and I've known people before that have

(01:49:59):
been had cancer diagnosis and not wanted to tell people
just because they didn't want to. They just wanted to
deal with it and they didn't want to make the
other person sad, so they don't share that information and
then they're other person in this situation person got very upset, Yeah,
because they hadn't been told.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
But that's tough, what a heavy burden for that person
to carry. But I can understand that they wanted to
protect their loved ones from information that would cause them
a lot of pain, like this text.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
I lie on a daily I have a chronic health
condition and usually have some kind of symptom or pain.
But after so many years, people don't want to hear
about anymore. It sucks. I'd like to be able to
talk to people about it as that it helps me
deal with it. But alas, no matter how close the person,
they don't really want to hear. Ten years of this
kind of thing, you get used to it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, this.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Has gone into a tough territory now, Josh.

Speaker 21 (01:50:53):
You man, Yeah, hey, boys, how are you doing?

Speaker 8 (01:50:56):
You could be honest?

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
Amazing, God, I'm good everything.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
I'm a little bit hungry if I'm being honest, Josh.

Speaker 21 (01:51:04):
I know you're not trying to me.

Speaker 11 (01:51:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
Yeah, I'm full of crippling the spear actually, and I'm
not sure how I'm going to make it through the
phone call.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
He needs something beat you guys.

Speaker 21 (01:51:14):
What I what I find funny is see, I'm sort
of new back to the dating scene, and you know
you've got to evaluate this, like especially you know, if
you're in a long term relationship and you've you know,
your partner tends to have an attachment style and depending
on you know, like she's going to have a relative

(01:51:35):
zone of truth whatever the heck that is, right. See,
I live in a world where it's a need to
know basis say and disclosure is important. It's like, what
are you supposed to do. If someone's asking you a
direct question, you can do your best to answer it,

(01:51:56):
but you're not going to come home and shout out, hey,
I don't know a bunch of real stuff happened today whatever,
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Yeah, it's not necessarily lying.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
You list everything that happened in the day. You know,
you could just exactly you.

Speaker 21 (01:52:13):
Don't have to tell her. My work mate rolled me
up and I am a bit annoyed, and you know,
it's like, what does she need to know that for?
But and I was thinking too, like you got to
see these videos online about body count They asked that question. Yeah,
that's a bit of a speed dating question, and I'm like,
is that appropriate, like if you like spishally in your

(01:52:36):
beginning to date, Like, is that something you really want
to know the answer to that?

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
Are some of the worst kind of entertainment though, on that,
YouTubers and tech talkers that just go up to people
on the street and ask them questions. And I don't
know why anyone would go and talk to them. Lazy,
isn't it, But especially when you get people that they
go up and hassle people that are drunk coming out
of bars, couples and they start talking and then they.

Speaker 21 (01:52:57):
So many what's your body what's your body county?

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
That's unfortunately none. I'm yet too, I'm hopeful. So the
thing so the thing is.

Speaker 21 (01:53:09):
Was like if she really hits up and she's like,
you got to tell me how many women are you
being with her?

Speaker 5 (01:53:14):
Whatever?

Speaker 21 (01:53:15):
And and like if you see, oh, jeez, I don't know. Jeez,
there's that pad.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Yeah, you've got to build THETT though, don't you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
That's like, but you gotta ask yourself why if you're
in a relationship, why are you asking that question? And
maybe you shouldn't ask questions you don't want to know
the answer to.

Speaker 21 (01:53:32):
If you know what I mean, I'm like, I know
you used to work for Kinask magazine. I don't need
to know anymore. I don't need to detail.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Josh, Thank you very much, mate, Josh, all right, but
what do you need to know that as well? You know,
what does it matter? What is the body I mean
body count such a crest way to put it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
But well, I guess there's there's some people that it's
a problem for some some dudes. I guess they I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
Yeah, I'm glad I don't have to date. In today's
well the openly question on a on a tender date
was your body count?

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Geez, I think that I think that you're out. You're
out the door at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
We've been talking about levels of honesty in your life.
Here's text on nineteen nine two. Hey guys, I've just
done the coast to coast this weekend, and there was
no way I told my wife what the event and
gear cost. I just told her I spray painted one
of my bikes when she asked if I had bought another.
It's not a lie. It's a side step, cheers Nigel.
That's a lie, that's all, so, she says. I told

(01:54:56):
her I spray painted one of my bikes, but I'd
bought another one. I think that's a straight.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
Up lie that's going to bite you in the barb Nigel,
You're you're a good man, but that's going to come
back to haunt you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Yeah, there's a lot of dudes tixting through saying that
they do have a problem with body count.

Speaker 14 (01:55:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a been a fantastic chat, Cameron says Matt.
I'm more upset with you that you didn't get me
anything from Meccas, some nuggets or a Sunday never.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
Got a real crime. That's what Tracy should have been
upset about.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
It ought to be fair, Cameron. Yeah, I don't know.
You would have been a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
That was an emotional forty five minutes. That was a
good chat. But yeah, So to wrap it all up,
I mean, should you have lied about the Meccas or not?

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
Yeah, face up to it, don't lie about it. Just
eat the Meccas in the house, or if you're gonna
have a diet then just stick to it or admit
that you've failed so that they have the full information
around what you're doing. So I think honesty is the
best policy. Come on, Kiwis, give them a taste of
the cold, hard truths.

Speaker 23 (01:55:53):
The same you can.

Speaker 20 (01:56:29):
Ring No Way.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
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