Full Show Podcast: 11 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hello, you got you sent it? It is Matt and Tyler
Full Show Podcast number one forty three for Wednesday, the
eleventh of June twenty twenty five. Fantastic Show Today got
pretty heated around female male birth rates and whether the
world will be a better or worse place with more
females in it.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Boy boy anger, yeah, anger, and particularly on the text
machine as well.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Fin out. I got accused of not being as hot
as Sigh Barnett, which is an absolute lie. Yeah, absolute lie.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
I got a bit of bod you've got more ebs.
Bit of here, yep, bit everything. You don't color you
here either.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
There was some very sexist woman texting through, actually very forry.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
You'll know you'll you'll hear about Tory and what she
had to say. Holy, oh my bloody days. Tory should
have hit the dump button on that. All right, all right,
download subscribe, give us a review, Tay your friends and
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And give them a taste of Kiwi. Thanks for tuning in.

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Love you the big stories, the.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
League issues, the big trends and everything in between. Matt
Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Talk said me, afternoon to you. Welcome into today's show, Wednesday,
the eleventh of June. Great of your company as always,
Get amen.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Get a Tyler, good a your great New Zealanders. I'm
in a bad state today because, and I think a
lot of people will empathize with me here, the worst
possible thing has happened to me. I failed to put
my rubbish bins out.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Oh you fool, Yeah, absolute full.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
One of my favorite things in the world is coming
home to empty rubbish bins. It just feels so good.
It feels like the system's working.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
And you're sorted for another seven days. It's I don't
know how I forgot. I don't know how I did it.
I was away on the weekend. I got them normally,
so good with it. But then just a.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Whole a whole week of two full rubbish bins sitting
in the in the garage.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah, that is that's a crippling mistake. You know. I
feel sorry for you. So the good thing about my
rubbish guys on our street is they don't come until
nine am. So even if I forget and I walk
out there and think, oh cheap, is it's rubbish day,
I've still got time. So thank you rubbish guys out
of my street. How's a six am? Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
So if you forget the night before, you're in all
kinds all kinds of trouble. And like, the real loser
is going to be my neighbors, because I'm going to
be sneaking around putting my rubbish and there again and
their recycling bent all week.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
This is how it happens, isn't it? So sorry to
Matt's neighbors. Right to today's show, it is jam packed
for you, as it always as. After three point thirty,
I ask the expert series that we do each Wednesday.
Mark Vitty is back with us world renowned animal behavior
is taking your calls. And you've got a problem with
your pet. He's a man to Chetto and we.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Get a lot of dog questions for Vitty, A lot
of dog questions we do if you've got another animal,
even a cat, yep, goldfish.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Budgy, lama, love lama questions, a.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Goat question yep.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
I loved it.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Would love to move outside of the War of Dogs.
You know, I love a dog. My dog's listening right
now at home because I leave the radio for him.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
He's a good boy, Colin, or a good boy Colin?

Speaker 3 (03:16):
What a good boy?

Speaker 5 (03:17):
Colin?

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Where's a cat?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Colin?

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Where's a cat?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
But yeah, yeah, as much as I love dogs, I'd
like to hear some Christian If you've got a hedgehog.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
What we want to do is we want to try
and throw Mark Vitti. If you've got a pet that
you think we'll throw Mark, then we want to hear
from you. We'll keep it a surprise. But nothing's throwing
them yet.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
An x A lottal question would be bloody great?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
That is after three point thirty after three o'clock? Which
generation is the worst behaved at pubs?

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Now?

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Generation Z have been blamed for a lot of things,
but were they blamed for this? Were they the most
poorly behaved generation? According to UIs Bartenders.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, across the hospit industry, there's one generation that complains
more than any other.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah controversial? Is that true?

Speaker 3 (03:56):
In New Zealand? If you work in hospital, we'll tell
you what the generation is and then we'll ask you
who you think is the most badly behaved generation in
our restaurants and bars and cafes.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
That is after three o'clock, after two o'clock, This will
be an interesting chat. There's been a worldwide trend of
couples having girls rather than boys. We're preferring to have
girls rather than boys. It's down to a myriad of reasons.
One of those is the changes to the one child
policy in China, but also some think that girls are
easier to raise, they have qualities that will be more
useful in later life, looking after parents, etc. But we

(04:28):
want to ask, did you have a preference for the
gender of your children?

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, this is really interesting. We don't really want to
focus on this too much because it's very grim and complex,
but global sex selection abortion has fallen dramatically. One point
six million missing girls in two thousand one.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
You'd expect that is huge.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
But now it's Flip Brown and this economist article. Actually
we'll get into this, but this economist article that we're
looking into makes the absolutely outrageous claim that if there
were more women in the world than men, than the
world would be a better place without backing it up
with any evidence, which makes you question the validity of
a once great magazine.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
It's a hell of a line to throw out there
without any corresponding evidence. But this will be an interesting
chat because you did have a preference. I did, yeah,
and I'll talk about that later. Employees, did he get
what he wanted? We'll tell you after two o'clock. But
right now, let's have a chat about how long we're working. So,
working lives are getting longer as New Zealanders joined the

(05:25):
workforce earlier and work longer after retirement. This is according
to Stats New Zealand. New Data aut shows one and
two Kiwis age between sixty five and sixty nine years old,
was still employed in twenty twenty three, while the percentage
of people age fifteen to twenty nine unemployment while in
twenty twenty three was up sixty five percent. That is
good news.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
So it would suggest that people are starting working younger yep,
and working a much later, which means our working life
is being extended, not back to the what it was
like in Victorian times. No, we're not sending people up
the chimneys at six. But and this might be skewed
a little bit from post COVID when we'd shut down
the border forever, and there wasn't. There was lots of

(06:05):
jobs opportunities for younger people like my got a job
when he was fourteen, working in the kitchen the cafe
because there was no one to do it. Yep, and such.
But a question I want to ask, if you're in
your in your thirties, forties or fifties, you rarely think
that you'll retire at sixty five? And do you even
want to?

Speaker 7 (06:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
As well as the people that aren't retiring at sixty five. Now,
I'd love to hear from you on one hundred and
eighteen eighty. But is there anyone in there in their
forties that's going, God, I can't wait to retire when
I'm sixty five, or or is thinking I'll be able
to retire when I'm sixty five?

Speaker 4 (06:37):
What about you? Do you think you'll be working past
the age of sixty five? You're in your early fifties.
I would love to work past sixty five. Love it? Yeah, absolutely,
love it? Genuinely, I think I will. I think at
this stage and I've got a wee way to.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Go, but I think I'm in my early forties.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Mate. Oh sorry, so jesus thirties. There's what what ry
Bridge did?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Okay, No, I think that sixty five. I just I
would hope that at sixty five I am still healthy
enough to keep working, because I think working I mean retirement.
You know, there's this idea that you retire and you
sit on the beach and have a piniclarda. Then what
do you do five minutes after that?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:14):
I think I think working is great if you can
be productive and offer something to an employer, or you
can you offer something to yourself if your self employed.
Then I think the dream is to keep working past
sixty five, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Love to hear from you if you
are still working, Love to hear your thoughts. But also
if you are thirty forty fifty, do you think you
will generally stop working at the age of sixty five
or do you think you'll be pushing through? Sixty five?
Is the new seventy five, as they say? So really
can you get your views?

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Hey Matt, it wasn't recycling cliction yesterday, so maybe you
were drinking too much as usual? Hang on a minute, maybe.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
So maybe you're saved here? What day is it today?
It's Wednesday the eleventh. All right, you're safe. You're still
going to put it in the neighbors recycling. But anyway,
let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah no, but I forgot to put it out the
bins yesterday. Yeah, so it doesn't help that it's Wednesday
now because they don't come till next week.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Let's see, it's still stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, I'm STI stuff.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Yeah, sorry text that. Yeah, you're almost made them happy.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah right, I didn't discover until I get home from
work last night.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, thirty past one.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Be afternoon sixteen pass one. We are working longer. That's
a trend that may set to continue. If you are
in your thirties, forties, fifties, do you generally think you're
going to be fully retired, not working at sixty five.
I don't think there'd be many out there that would
be thinking that, or do you.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Even want to, because I think working past sixty five
is the dream, and it's a lot harder for trades
when you use your body, unlike me, my soft sitting
on this chair talking to a microphone.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yeah, or all my other jobs that are well moisturized hands.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Look at that. But I mean if you if you
could work past six sixty five, because I mean, otherwise,
what are you going to do? Just you know, pissed
around the house annoying your partner.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, exactly, oh one hundred and eight in Adien's then
number to call?

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Can I just read this text on an unrelated as sheep? Yeah, Matt,
my ket is a beast because it's ginger. His name
is Nigel.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
All right, okay, thank you for.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Is a beast because it's ginger.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Is there how that works? Yeah, okay, sorry to hear that, Nigel,
Thank you very much for that text. David's how are
you this? After? Hello?

Speaker 8 (09:29):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (09:31):
How are you David?

Speaker 8 (09:33):
I'm good? Thank you. I'm coming up to seventy nine
in October and I'm still working fifty hours a week.
I'm in work every day before seven o'clock. I'm the
first one in their best dressed ready to go.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
What is your job, David.

Speaker 8 (09:50):
I've been working in the waste industry for the last
fourteen years.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Forty years? Did you say?

Speaker 8 (09:56):
Yes, I've been working in the same industry for forty years.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
And what is your job in the waste industry? What
do you do?

Speaker 8 (10:03):
I'm a business development manager for a company called Rubbish.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Threat, right, I've heard of rubbish Direct. And when you say,
when you say be stressed, what are you wearing to work?

Speaker 8 (10:14):
Well, I'm then sitting in my car at moment. I've
got a nice tailored shirt on, a nice pair of
black trousers, smart shoes, and a high this jacket on.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
And do you work because you have to work, David?
Or because you want to work?

Speaker 8 (10:32):
I love it?

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Right? Good?

Speaker 8 (10:34):
I don't have to work, but I love working. I
couldn't think of anything more boring than beer retired. I
know what to do with myself.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
And what about the actual work? Is the Is the
actual work enjoyable for you?

Speaker 9 (10:51):
I love it?

Speaker 8 (10:52):
It's very competitive, extremely competitive. Yeah, just every day is
a challenge and I don't like coming second best.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
You're a good week.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
So you're seventy nine, David. How long do you think
you're going to work? Are we talking eighty five? Ninety
ninety five?

Speaker 8 (11:08):
Well, health permitting, probably until at least eighteen Yep.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Well, it's only a year away, maybe less. Than that sounds.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
By the sound of you, you sound like you'll definitely
be able to be working at eighty.

Speaker 8 (11:22):
Well, not only that, I've still got a young family.
I mean, my youngest daughter's only fifteen, so it does
help that I'm still working right.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah, in fifty hours a week, David, you must get it.
You must be getting tired at seventy nine. I don't
mean to be rude, but that's a lot of hours
for anybody.

Speaker 8 (11:39):
I get tired, but I just hang on in there
and I carry on going.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's interesting though, because people always talk about, you know,
people slowing down with age or whatever. But the stats
are in your seventies, you have a wider things like
a vocabulary peak in your seventies, things like the amount
of knowledge you have. There's Biden seventy nine, isn't there David,
And then there's David seventy nine.

Speaker 8 (12:04):
No, no, no, no, Well I just love work.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah, yep, we can tell David.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Okay, think it's for you. Call David and need more
David's you go, well, and thanks, I have a great day,
you too, you do, you go? Yeah. But my point
that David didn't hear or want to hear or care
about fair enough? Was this Biden seventy nine, which is
most people's one hundred and five, and then this David

(12:32):
seventy nine is sharp as attack.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Exactly, yeah, which is a very fair point. I think
David thought you were calling him Joe Biden, so that
was that noe ah right, Sorry David. And he's certainly
not Joe Biden. He is full of beans. Old David.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well, that's calling him the opposite. Yeah, but I can
see why he would say notes.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you are looking ahead to your retirement and
planning that out. Do you think you'll still be working
past the age of sixty five? A lot of texts
coming through to that regard saying that absolutely they think
they'll still be working, and not just solely for the
money side of things, just to keep them active, because
sixty five is still pretty young. Plus do we really

(13:08):
believe that they're going to keep up super I don't.
I generally don't. I think it'll be long gone by
the time I get.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
The sixty five I just don't. I mean, they're going
to hold on as long as they can, but eventually
the sums are not going to add up, and they're
going to just keep moving it. It's going to be
like you're going to be like a greyhound chasing a
rabbit that just keeps just in front of you forever.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Great analogy. It is twenty one past one. Keen to
get your thoughts on this though back very shortly.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Putting the tough questions to the news speakers, the mic asking.

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we've made as we approach this winter have made a.

Speaker 10 (14:00):
Difference more generally, though, bigger picture, where are we and
how far short of optimal are we? So we never
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Speaker 1 (14:07):
Long term, we're in good shape.

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Speaker 4 (14:18):
Talk z B twenty four past one.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Well, we didn't miss that that David was seventy nine
and as youngest daughter was fifteen. Wess that just were
sure what questions to ask on it? I was just
sort of processing it as this Texas says, Hey, guys, gee,
David must have a young missus. Yeah, hed this textasys,
Hey boys, did you miss that David had a fifteen
year old daughter. Yeah, there's a lot of people that
have focused on that.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Look, if I could have my time again, I would
have focused it on that. I just thought it slightly
off topic. Yeah, but look, I'm as sure my interest
was piqued.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, exactly, we heard it. We both looked at each
other and we thought, maybe we'll just leave David alone
on that question. You know, what were we going to say, David,
you old warn dog, well done.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, more than capable men,
more than capable of Sirahen children they cently into their seventies.
Absolutely absolutely, and this business has layoff. Biden Trump fell
up some stairs the other day. I think both sides
of the political spectrum now that Biden was not the

(15:18):
most onto it eighty year old. Ever, my point was
that not everyone's a Biden at eighty. Yeah, a lot
of people. Most people are a David exactly. Most people
at eighty can do as much as someone at seventy.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yep, one hundred percent. Sam, you're current, you know, you're
currently forty eight.

Speaker 8 (15:38):
Yep.

Speaker 12 (15:38):
It's my birth day on Monday, so I've been forty
nine birthday. Yeah, So I'm a maternity vicialist. I wrote
with babies and yeah, I mean, I'm just a mum.
But grandmothers, you know, can look after newborn's well into
their you know, heydays. So I'm accepting to work till yeah,
at least ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
That's interesting you should say that about grandmothers, because I
was reading this, this this evolutionary biology paper the other day,
and I was saying that the superpower of human beings
is graham parents and that yeah, and that that that
intergenerational looking after of children is what made the big
difference for humans going forward. Are there anything anything that
will get harder for you as you get older up

(16:19):
to sixty five in terms of maternity.

Speaker 12 (16:22):
Was an early childhood teacher back in my when I
was younger in my twenties, thirties and early forties, and
that has has definitely been a lot harder, you know,
getting up and down off the floor, and you know,
lugging equipment outside in the cold. And hats off to
early tidhood teachers because they're just incredible. But you know,
I'm inside in a beautiful house, or I'm in a hospital,

(16:42):
or I'm in a clean, tidy woman environment, so it's
easy and I love what I do. And you're only
as old or young as you feel, right, Yeah, so
there we go.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
So if you had so, if you had a lot
of money, so whatever happens, let's just say you one lotter,
you've only got twenty million dollars, would you still continue
doing what you do at sixty five? No, honest, you
love it, but you don't love it that much.

Speaker 12 (17:14):
Okay, they have a good day.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
I love to positivity. Brian.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
You're fifty two and you're ready to retire, well.

Speaker 13 (17:24):
Not quite ready to retire, but in a few years.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yep.

Speaker 13 (17:28):
I'm an arborist, so it works a.

Speaker 14 (17:30):
Bit out on my body.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Yeah, tough job, that one.

Speaker 13 (17:33):
But the thing is, we're gonna hope. We've got to
own our own property. So we're just going to rent
the house out and we're going to buy a house
bus and we're going to travel around New Zealand and
what we're renting the house out will pay for the
travel and everything, all the rights, wow, experiences and everything.
It's cheaper and there's a lot of people doing it

(17:55):
these days. And then we'll just take the taste the
house truck over Tousey and do the same and then
we're gonna hit South America. Wow, there's thousands doing it
these days.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
So have you lined up? Have you lined it up?

Speaker 13 (18:09):
Sorry you go, Brian, Yeah, it's cheaper than actually by
the time you're paying all your bulls and all your food.
Never know, that's actually cheaper and you get more.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, have you.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Lined have you lined up? What bus you're going to buy? Brian?

Speaker 8 (18:26):
We've got a.

Speaker 13 (18:27):
Range of options. We've got various friends and people we
know who who have bought various ones. We're probably going
to get a custom made one, a new one.

Speaker 14 (18:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (18:38):
Right, So so we're talking still about four or five
years away.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
So right, so bathroom, kitchen, lounge, TV, all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 13 (18:51):
Yeah, pretty much most of the stuff by the time
we retire and you stay at home, so you want
to go away for two weeks or something, then you
have to save that money up, and it's just money
you have to pay as well as all the experiences
those if you don't.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Traveling, it's all paid for exactly. Sounds like a good life, Brian.
Are you not worried a little bit about you know
how you're going to keep yourself entertained for So if
you retire in fifty eight, potentially the next forty years.

Speaker 13 (19:20):
Well, I'm going to keep working part time as we travel.
My wife's a nurse, so I can take a lot
on a get and go and do it and do
but some pieces and things.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah, good stuff.

Speaker 13 (19:32):
I mean there's always spressing traveling, all sorts of stuff
you do with that when when what you do on
your normal weekend anyway, Yeah, that's very true.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, good on you, Brian. Sounds like you've got a
solid plan.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
It does sound like a good life traveling around about.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
But I think, actually, Brian, how much does it take
to cost you to take how much does it cost
to take a house bus across to Australia? Ship it
over two thousand?

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Jeez, it's cheaper than I thought.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
That's way cheaper than I thought. How good?

Speaker 13 (20:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, and do you travel travel on the boat with
it and it?

Speaker 13 (20:05):
Ah, we might. Yeah, it depends your costs down.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, I like that idea.

Speaker 15 (20:11):
Good on.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
You're Brian far out? So what he's so three to
four years. He's fifty two now, so fifty five and
then travel around in a house bus on Ossie for
the next forty years. I mean it does sound like
a good good way to you know, spend fifteen years.
What do you do for the other twenty five?

Speaker 3 (20:28):
It sounds like my worst nightmare. But Brian seems he
was into it.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
He got on him.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Retired fifty five. I planned it from my first day.
I've worked in a factory. I would hate to be
working now. I'm sixty at the end of this year.
I live very comfortably from investments. Friends with the same
opportunities as me are still working and they are jealous.
I travel, exercise, enjoy eating out, spend time with the
family in New Zealand overseas, go to the gym, cycling walking,
spending time at my two holiday homes. Oh very well, Okay,

(20:54):
he's nailed the factory worker.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yeah, bang on half past one we're going to pick
this back up. I wait one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you're looking ahead to your retirement, do you generally
think you'll be working past the age of sixty five? Really?
Can you hear from you?

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Or if you are you like man, you are going
to be work, work till you die.

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Speaker 4 (22:34):
Thank you very much, Ray Lena. We're talking about new
stants out from Stats New Zealand that shows we are
working longer than ever. We are entering the WorkFirst, our
workforce earlier and working long after retirement. So the later
data shows almost one in two kiwis working past the
age of sixty five and the increase of those aged

(22:56):
fifteen getting into work has increased forty percent in the
last ten years, which is a great wee.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Stat Yeah, and a lot of people have been texting
through asking about that study that claimed that parenting is
the human superpower that rows us above other beasts. It
was authored by Dr Paul Turk He's a pediatrician and
evolutionary anthropologist. Doctor Paul Turk if you want to. That's
a very interesting He's also actually if you want it

(23:24):
distilled on the Modern Wisdom podcast.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Number nine three eight.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
He goes through it.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
It's very interesting, very interesting, well worth checking out. But
can you get your thoughts on our eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty If you are planning for retirement, do
you think you will give up work at sixty five
or do you think you'll still be working long past that?

Speaker 3 (23:44):
This business is We bought a caravan in from Ossie.
It costs nine thousand dollars one way, that two thousand dollars.
It did sound too good to be true. Of the
two thousand dollars, yeah, two k.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
To get a house bus over there, I thought jeep
as that.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
And this might sound like the stupidest question anyone's ever asked,
because it probably is. Can you sit in your house
bus as it slipped over there? Or does it just
does it get put on locked up?

Speaker 4 (24:06):
It's a great question because I would say no, but
I don't. Oh, I mean, you're good.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Absolutely, it's a stupid because of course you can't, because
otherwise you'd be running a cruise ship. They have to
have food, that have to have they have to be
able to look after you.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Why did you sign a waiver and just said I'll
live in the house, pus, I'll sort my own food out.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
I'll do my business over the side, and we'll just
sit there.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
You're in the freight game nine two nine two. Can
you eastually do that? But back to the working question, A.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Lot of people are saying, I hate to blow that
guy's bubble, but he really needs to do his homework
before he retires at fifty five. I don't think it's
going to work out.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Callumy's dreaming.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Okay, Paul, welcome to the show. You're sixty eight and
you're still working.

Speaker 17 (24:44):
Yeah, I am. What I'm ringing in for is that
most of my friends have required well maybe over the
last five years. I suppose I'm still working, and I
talked to them all the time about this, and I
think there's three reasons that people keep working. One of
them is obviously financial, because some people can't afford to
live otherwise. And the second one is you love your job.

(25:04):
Like this seventy eight year old or seventy nine?

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Was he that phoned in nine we management with a
fifty year old daughter.

Speaker 17 (25:10):
Yep, I know that wasn't picked up as I was
pretty impressive with that. But I think the third one,
I'm really quite the third one is you lose your
social context because I don't think people appreciate how much
they enjoy the company of those that they work with.
And that certainly applies to a couple of my friends

(25:31):
where they basically don't do a lot, be able to
and they're financially fine, but they've just lost all funds
stuff that they used to do because a lot of
their friends that from work are younger and are still working,
so they want to go and have a round of
golf on Wednesday. Sorry, I'm working. So it's some you know,
I'm really convinced that's a bigger reason than people appreciate

(25:53):
the social contact. And also you could be recited for
thirty years if you retired at sixty five.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
It's a long time.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Well, they do these studies, what they do launch They
do studies on males, particularly when they retire. Particularly we're
pretty bad at making new friendships and reaching out to
new people. And we think we think that friendships are
just nice to have, and we don't notice that there
are a lot of our friendships in life and a
lot of our interactions are with the people who were
maybe complaining about work, but we're complaining about it with people,

(26:25):
and you know, great for the brain. And yeah, I mean.

Speaker 17 (26:31):
You're with them eight hours day in effect, and that's
a lot of time, and you're probably sitting in very
close proximity and then having lunch with them. So you're
absolutely right. Because they say that the biggest epidemic in
the world at the moment is loneliness, and I think
that more applies to older than younger. Yeah. Yeah, and
you don't want to go and play crivage all day

(26:51):
or something, so I think, yeah, no, I'm quite convinced
that that's a very very big reason. Actually looked it
up a little while ago, and in America they've created this
thing called Romeo Clubs, which are retired old men eating
out and they meet up once a month at a
different restaurant, and apparently it's exploding in popularity because all
fellas are bored, yeah, and they don't have the social slightly.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
The men shared that I where I walk the dog,
there's a men's ship and that is always chock a
block and I love it. But as obviously primarily retired
guys and they need to be around some other blokes.

Speaker 14 (27:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
The thing is, Paul, men like to do that. Men's friendships,
they study are best. They call it shoulder to shoulder
doing something as opposed to face to face. So when
men retire they try and do things that are similar
to work. Often I'll find things that are similar work.
You could argue that's what golfer is right, you're going
around doing something.

Speaker 17 (27:45):
I have one friend, it's an avid golfer, golts three
four days a week. But it's just this thing. And
also he loves it, and he's got a set of
friends that are regularly to I think, well, in my case,
I'm still working and I don't have any intention of
giving up. Oh, I don't know. I got a mate.
I saw him yesterday. He's one month older than me.
We both do the same job with both pick part time.
By the way, and I said that term when you're

(28:06):
you going to retire, And he says, have no idea
about you? And I said, I've no idea. I'm convinced though,
that one day I'll wake up and go this has
got to be. It's a lot of financial reasons that
I work. It'll just be.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Yeah, to do this anymore. What do you do?

Speaker 17 (28:18):
I teak a part time at a polytech.

Speaker 11 (28:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (28:25):
Yeah, well, actually quite like that idea that you've been
It's probably one of the few jobs, to be honest,
that you can get in your more senior years, because
if you're teaching something that requires a lot of life experience.
There's six of us do what I do, and we're
all gold cast holders. But you have to have had

(28:45):
life experience to make the courses work. And so yeah,
because I've made redundant at the age of sixty two,
and I'll tell you what, that's not a happy feeling.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, but as you say, you any other job, Yeah,
but handing down knowledge at sixty eight point would be
a very satisfying thing to do.

Speaker 14 (29:02):
Oh.

Speaker 17 (29:03):
I love it, absolutely love It's why I don't want
to give it up. I don't know if it as
I say, I'll definitely give it up at some point
because we do want to fave on more and do
other things. And you're just just changed, and maybe I'll
strike a bad class and go no.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Just walk out the door. That's ball's had enough.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Thanks for your call. It's an answering.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
My dad finally retired, he ended up doing the greens
at his croquet club and just went into a full time,
unpaid job and ended up working harder than you. He's
always been an incredibly hard worker, but the amount of
work he put into the Leath Croquet Club, good luck
and law, Yeah and lord, are the best lawns you've
ever seen.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
All right, keen to hear your views on this eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. There's a truckloaded texs coming
through nine to two, nine too. We'll try and get
to some of those very shortly. Eighteen to two.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
They'd be very good afternoon. We're talking about new stats
that have just been released showing that we are working
earlier and working longer, far past the retirement age of
sixty five. So if you're planning your retirement, do you
think you will be able to retire at sixty five?
Do you want to retire at sixty five?

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I'm fifty six, I love my job and I'd love
to retire. Lawn bowls is the best for meeting people
and keeping active and competitive. Yeah, when you do retire,
you've got to make sure that you join clubs and
lean into your hobbies and reach out to people, and
you know you've got to do that. Yeah, absolutely got
it. It's great, great for the BRAINEP and you know, great

(30:36):
for the great for just the mental capabilities.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Lawn bowls are certainly up there.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Mal welcome to the show. You're fifty four and ready
to retire?

Speaker 7 (30:47):
Oh, count up?

Speaker 18 (30:49):
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. I've been working with the hourly
for over twenty years and did a lot of paleative
care and they all back, well, they didn't have the
aide and that twenty five years ago, you know, and
you sort of people and stuff. So now my back
is kind of hurting. And my husband, he's a trade

(31:11):
and he's his body's broken. He's just been working, working,
you know. And we both started when we're probably not
palliative care and trading stuff, but started working when we're
in our teams, you know. So it's forty plus years
or forty years of you know, hard work basically. Now
we're at this point and we're like, yeah, no, we

(31:34):
can't wait. But he's got a super in Australia and
it expires when he's sixty, so we can retire when
he turned sixty, which is in five years, so I
can finish for it too. So we're actually looking for
that and we're like mortgage free. We've got a little
bit of land, but we're looking at and it's been

(31:55):
in a bigger plot of land. So my husband loves
building stuff and he's you know, he's built everything for us,
and we want to bring our children home from Australia
to make like a public eye for all of us though,
you know, because things are so hard for them to
to get into homes and stuff like that, and that

(32:16):
would be the planful when we retired. Well, uh, that's
the plan.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Cool And so I mean so so you so how
long away is that until your husband's sixty?

Speaker 18 (32:29):
Five years?

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Five years? You're counting down five years?

Speaker 19 (32:33):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (32:33):
Absolutely, Like every every afternoon we're almost rubbing each other
down with deep people because you know, you just saw
your body. You know, don't take that the wrong way,
but I mean it's like you're just in pain now
and you struggle every morning to get up, but you
do it for the love of for myself. It's the

(32:54):
love of the job. Yeah, love with the elderly and
and that. But I'm tired, and it's like, yeah, I'm like, no,
we can't wait, we can't wait.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
It's very different.

Speaker 18 (33:08):
We had wait till sixty five, Wait till then. God
only knows what the state of the body will be here.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Yeah, ten years a lot longer than five years.

Speaker 18 (33:16):
Oh, man, tell you. And then what are we going
to say? Because like my dad here was in the
freezing works for over fifty years. By the time he retired,
he got cancer. He had bought he'd bought a big
boat to go. She he's got to set himself up.
It's a big car, the big got a camper van
and all that, because those were his dreams what he

(33:36):
wanted to do when you finished work and he started
working the thirteen you know, and then got to that
age and he retired and got really sick and other stuff.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
So if you if you guys managed to retire in
five years, you should be able to have quite a
few really good years on on on your on your land.
And that's a beautiful story. It's definitely a different thing, though,
isn't it. You know, the different jobs. Yeah, you know,
as I said before, you can you know, you know
if you have physical labor. Obviously obviously it doesn't need
to be said. But it's a very very different lifestyle

(34:09):
and a very different thing. I mean, it's you know,
some jobs you can keep going to the eighty five,
some you cannot.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
One hundred percent yep, right, Oh, one hundred and eighty
teen eighty is the number to call. We'll play some
messages and come back with more of your thoughts. We've
got Jacob on the line. He's thirty and he reckons
he'll retire in his fifties. We'll find out why soon.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talks Envy.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
It is eight to two and we're talking about whether
you'll be able to retire at sixty five, or whether
you'd want to retire at sixty five. We're working longer.
Quick text here, getay, guys on forty three. I've spent
my whole life slaving away on a dairy farm and
working on the shovel. I'll be lucky if I make
sixty because I'm wrecked. But I'll tell you a sleep
in the ground will be as good as retirement from me.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
From Brad fifty eight year old male here are hard
out trying to get my wife to get a second
job so I can retire.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Yeah, good man, good luck with that. Absolutely, Jacob.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
You're thirty, but you want to retire in twenty five years.

Speaker 17 (35:14):
That's the plan, mate, that's the plan.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
How you going about it?

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I'm good.

Speaker 7 (35:18):
I'm working hard to work six days a week, trying
to work seven if I could. But I'm just saving, saving,
saving as much as i can and hopefully the time
I'm fifty to fifty five to be able to chuck.

Speaker 17 (35:27):
The old feed up.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
And what profession are you in? I'm a builder, okay?
And so so you're making enough, Like how much do
you think you need to have in the bank or
assets to retire at fifty five?

Speaker 7 (35:42):
Well, as long as you're good with your money and
you know what you're doing, you should be able to
make it work and chucking, you know, chuck your money
and different investments here and there, and just keep your
options open.

Speaker 9 (35:52):
You know, I've been saving.

Speaker 17 (35:53):
Away for a while now, and there's just there's there's
many opportunities out there.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
As am I detecting a Southland accent there, Jacob? Or
am I wrong?

Speaker 7 (36:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yep, far in the cargo.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah. So do you think do you think it might
be easier to retire? You plan to retire down there,
down the south.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
Yeah, hopefully something like that where there's cheaper houses. What
You're going to do is save, save, save, and I'm
just going to tuck all me money into a couple
of good properties there and I should wreak the rewards after.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
It does seem more doable to retire in Southland at
fifty five than it would be in Auckland with the
comparatible house prices.

Speaker 17 (36:30):
Yeah, Oh, he's got to be realistic.

Speaker 7 (36:31):
Here'd me wanting to go to Queenstown and buy a property,
you know, yeah, unreal.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Have you been reading up on this fire trend, Jacob,
this financial independence retire early?

Speaker 20 (36:44):
No?

Speaker 7 (36:44):
I have no right, but I don't think i'd need
to because that's just my plan and I'll tell you
what my mind.

Speaker 17 (36:49):
Set on it.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Yeah, no, good man. The reason I asked about that,
it was a big trend that took off maybe about
three four five years ago, about a whole bunch of
young people that were trying to get into investments, and
the idea is that if you've got enough in the bank,
you can live on the four percent return that you're
going to get each year, and hopefully you're going to
get a decent return. But more and more of them
were realizing that they were bored, so they managed to

(37:13):
get there. They retired early in their fifties and had
enough money to keep them going and then got them
back into the workforce because they just couldn't sit around
doing nothing.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
Yeah, well, we'd see that we're on different mate. If
I was sitting around home, I would be doing all
sorts to.

Speaker 21 (37:26):
Try and get him.

Speaker 7 (37:26):
On the long I would travel, I would find something
to do.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, well, good on you Jacob and good Man.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Yeah love it. A couple of techs to get to
the news.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Own businesses since I was twenty nine, sold my last
one at sixty seven, and now two years later starting
a small business again. Need to feel worthy and useful again,
just to keep me busy ten hours a week.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
That's from Chris so retiring then unretiring.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yep, hi, guys, on forty three, I've spent my whole
life slaving away dairy farming and working on a shovel.
I'll be lucky if I make it to sixty because
I'm wrecked. But I tell you a sleep in the
ground will be as good as retirement for me. Cheers Brad. Yep,
So he's looking forward to just jumping in the grave,
pushing it up.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
He's working hard, Brad on the dairy farm. Guys, just
stretched and very cram don't retire before fifty or even forty,
no matter how much money you have. On forty, I
have a truck ton of cash. I don't work. My
money works for me. I'm miserable as beep. It's almost
two pm and I'm still in my dressing ground gown.
Keep working.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Oh, there you go. And this one says my wife
is gonna work me until she's bled me dry and
can see me in the ground.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Already hit enough.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I want to end on that one.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
No, have you got a more positive? Guys, will be
seventy three at the end of the month, still working
full time, no thought of retiring. Absolutely love my job
and life. From Clive, how's that that's a positive?

Speaker 3 (38:46):
That one?

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Shall we?

Speaker 14 (38:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Exactly? And Darcy is out there looking very happy with
a bit of cake. He'll never retire, will you, Darcy?
There we go, good man. Right coming up, we're going
to have a chat about did you have a preference
for your children before they were born? There's a growing
trend of a preference for girls. Has that been a
situation with your own family? And Matt's did have a
preference with his particular children? And he will tell you

(39:09):
what that is after two o'clock. Great if your company
is always you're listening to Metton Tyler, very very good
afternoons you knew sport and weather on its way along
with a bit of Beatles.

Speaker 20 (39:25):
Chuck Manday, Send me a postcard, drop me a line
stating mind of view. What do you mean to say
you're sincerely wasting away?

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Give me your answer?

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Well in a mom I'm friend.

Speaker 20 (39:50):
Of man and will still need me, will still give
me when I'm sixteen?

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Who talking with you all afternoon?

Speaker 2 (40:09):
It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
It'd be welcome back into the show six past two.
Great to have your company as always. This is going
to be a very very interesting discussion. It's an article
based in the Economist, The Stunning decline of the preference
for having boys. So there's a worldwide trend of couples
preferring to have girls rather than boys. It's down to

(40:34):
a myriad of reasons. According to this author, some think
girls are easier to raise or cherish feminine traits. In
some countries, they may assume that looking after elderly parents
is a daughter's job. But it is an incredibly interesting
article and worth a read, and we'll give you some
more figures on some of the claims made by this
particular author.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Oh yeah, they make an absolutely shocking claim at the
end that the world would be a better place if
there's more women in it than men. They back it
up with no evidence of that, or.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
I'll find the line here.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
But effectively, it would not be as bad as too
many men. Too many women would not be as bad
as too many men. A surplus of single woman is
unlikely beound physically abusive. Indeed, you might speculate that a
mostly female world would be a more peaceful and better
run place.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Really, well, the author can speculate on that, Really, are
they right?

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, I think you've got to provide some evidence to
the economists before you say that. But anyway, that's not
directly what we want to talk about. I mean, just
another boding. That's absolutely shocking. Global sex selection selective abortion
has fallen dramatically from one point six million missing girls
in two thousand to two hundred thousand and twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Interesting, that is a big drops.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
That's a crazy situation. But anyway, girls or boys? Yeah,
did you have a preference? I can say right now
categorically that I did have a preference. When we were
having our first baby, I was like, fingers crossed, hope
it's a boy. And then with the second one, I
was fingers cross hope it's a boy. Ye, And both

(42:20):
times I got.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Boys two for two. Yeah, And so why was the
preference for boys on both accounts?

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Okay, So on the first account, it was because I
was worried for you know, I was didn't really know
much about the world, I guess back then, but I
was worried about bringing up a girl. I didn't feel
like I knew much about bringing up a girl, so
I was kind of scared that I'd get that wrong.
I was also scared for them in the world. Stupidly,

(42:46):
I thought that that boys. I just thought the boys had.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
It easier in the world. You'd been there, done that.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah, So I was worried. I was more. I was
massively concerned about it bringing a girl into the world.
I just thought, boy a boy, all all the things
you know, and you know when you look in the
media and you know, watch movies and terrible things happening
to females. I just thought I'd rather bring a boy
into the As it plays out, it's actually much more
dangerous to be a male in the world than it

(43:13):
has to be a female. Well, it always has been
and is more so, probably less so now, but just men.
Boys tend to die younger than women and tend to
have more problems, as this article points out. But then
the second one. I wanted a boy as well because
I'd grow up with three lovely sisters. My sisters are fantastic,
all three of them, but they didn't really want to

(43:34):
play cricket with me, and it was very hard to
get them to bowl a ball at me and the
driveway or in the backyard. And so I wanted my
son to have a son to blay sports with because
I'd missed out on that. So that was my reasoning.
I wanted boys both times.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
In my family there's I've got three full blooded brothers,
but Mum would dearly have loved to have a daughter.
At Sun's stage, I think she loves us boys. But
after three boys, I think she said, I've got enough
children and I won't have a daughter. And she was
more than okay with that. But that's what happens to
a lot of families, right If they have a series

(44:09):
of the same gender, then they might keep trying, hoping
to have a bit of a mix, and they might
be And maybe's family situation. For example, four daughters and
fantastic family, very much loved. But I think her father,
Pete would very much have liked a son. But after
four daughters, I think they both said, like, this is
big enough family, so we'll leave it at that.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
You can keep going and keep going and keep going
and trying to get the mixed right, and you'll never
get there.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Yeah, exactly, So did you have a preference for the
gender of your children? Love to hear from you on oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty It's very true, says
the sex.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
The world would be more peaceful place run by women,
but scientifically and economically it would be in ruins. That's interesting. Hi, guys,
the world would be a better place if there were
more women because they generally have less ego than men.
By the way, I'm a guy, But as having less ego,
you know, I don't know. I don't know if that
is true that women have less ego than men. I
know lots of women with huge egos. Yeah, but is

(45:03):
less ego make for a better world?

Speaker 4 (45:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Don't you want people with crazy ambitions and doing stupid things?

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Well that's the follow up question. Do you think the
world would be a better place? I just watched one.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
I watched another documentary with Shackleton documentary last night. He's
my favorite person ever, a Sheckleton legend. And and you know,
he had ego and he did something stupid, but the
world's a better place for his adventures.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Absolutely. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Did you have a preference for
the gender of your children? And do you think more
women would make the world a better place? Love to
hear from you.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
As the Economist controversially claims without evidence.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Twelve Fast Too.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Your home of afternoon talk. Mad he than Taylor Adams afternoons.
Call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Very good afternoon, Shiere. It is fourteen past two, and
we're talking about a story in the economists. There is
a decline of a preference for having boys as children.
More and more couples around the world would prefer to
have girls females as their children. I mean, did you
have a preference when you had your own children.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Because Sexy said, I always wanted a girl, and lucky
enough had a daughter. I love to dance, so wanted
a dancer.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Boys can dance.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Again, lucky enough, my daughter does love to dance, and
at the age of four started a competition dancing and
now at six is still dancing and still loving it.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Kim.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, the trek is keeping them going through high school
and the things that you love them doing.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Yeah, I had one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Did you were you surprised with
the gender of your two sons? Did you know as
did you you get the ultra sound and you find
out ahead of time?

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Yeah, no, you want you want to find out ahead
of time.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
You've got to find out ahead of time.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
I mean, that's ridiculous, just waiting to the day you
know you want to start working on the name in advance.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Oh, that's a good point. You're a planner.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I didn't have a preference at all. Had a boy first,
then a girl, perfect blend of both worlds. Have a
friend who convinced herself she was having a girl and
ended up having a boy, and now she's not the
same after six years trying to find herself. Her husband
is stuck with an.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Invalid Okay, right, sorry to hear about that. Yeah, I
ad one hundred day eighty is the number to call.
Did you have a preference about the type of children
or the gender of your children beforehand? And unlike Matt,
did you make it a surprise? I mean more and
more you hear of people to just have a surprise,
whether there was some issues worth having a surprise, and
you didn't know what the gender of the child was

(47:25):
going to be.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
I'm at too many women is poor English. It should
be too many women, women, women, women, too many women, Yeah,
says Bob, Thank you very much, women women.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
This is a good one here. As a mother of
four daughters and one son, I would definitely say the
world would not be a better place with more women.
Five women in the same house. Dear lord, it was
horrible ten years of door slamming and that was just me.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Well, I think you know, as a species, we tend
to even out if you're just going to run it
without these horrible, evil one baby plan that they had
in China that ended up in a lot of young
females babies being aborted, it ends up to be about
even but slightly more boys, I believe, because boys tend

(48:15):
to die young more than females. So obviously, as evolutionarily speaking,
we've decided that we want it to be fifty to fifty, yeah,
or the adaptive pressures have decided they want it to
be fifty to fifty.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Yeah, exactly. Now, this is a part of the story.
And I don't know if this technology exists in New Zealand.
I'm sure it does. But in the future, the article
says technology will offer parents more options. So some and
this has been around some time in other countries. Uncontroversially,
it is possible to tweak the genes to avoid hereditary
diseases and to have a designer baby effectively. But more

(48:49):
and more there will be technology to allow you to
pick the gender of your particular child.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
In America and Scandinavian couples are likely to have more
children if they're early ones are male, suggesting that more
keep trying for a girl than do so for a boy.
When seeking to adopt, couples pay extra for girls.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
In America now.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Are going intro into vitro fertilization if sorry, and other
sex selection methods. And countries where it is legal to
choose the sex of the embryo, women are increasingly opting
for daughters. But you could read that the other way.
It says that scanned avo couples are likelier if their
early ones are males that they have other ones, suggesting

(49:29):
that they people keep trying they want girls. Yeah, it
could mean that having a male is better.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
It was a breeze, so let's have more.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
So easy. Yes, if you have a boy, you want
to have more children, Yeah, because they're easier to bring up.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Who knows. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call and welcome to the show.

Speaker 22 (49:49):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
Hello, So you had a mix, did you end?

Speaker 22 (49:54):
Yes? Yes, we've had two boys and than a.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Daughter, and you had no preferences to the gen.

Speaker 22 (50:03):
No, none whatsoever. This Yeah, we had ended up with
three under three.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Wow, Wow, that's good going.

Speaker 17 (50:15):
Yeah, yeah it was.

Speaker 22 (50:17):
It was crazy in the olden days, but yeah it was.

Speaker 18 (50:22):
It was good.

Speaker 22 (50:23):
They grew up together and the girl could play cricket
better than the boys. Made them fully aware.

Speaker 18 (50:34):
Of that fact.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
What what What was easier in your experience to bring
up the boy or the girls?

Speaker 23 (50:43):
Well?

Speaker 22 (50:43):
Neither really because our daughter tended the only dresses she
possessed with her the dresses she wore for school, and
she was a figure skater, so generally she was in
jeans and t shirts the same as the boys. It
was more or less like having three boys.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Really.

Speaker 22 (51:05):
She was about twelve years old.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
And yeah, now and supplementary question, do you think the
world would be a better place if there were more
females in it than males? As the economists and a
bunch of texters to news talks they'd be believe absolutely not.

Speaker 22 (51:22):
I think a mixture would be good. I think as
women we can be quite demanding, is not the right word?
That we see things differently two guys, and it's like parliament.
I think it's good to have a mixture, because you know,

(51:44):
you get different, different ideas different. Yeah, I don't think
it would be any better.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Oh, thank you so good. And I once heard someone say,
and I can't recall her name, but it was some
sort of leadership thing, and they were talking about the
difference between men and women in the workplace, and it was,
if you've got to get up to the top of
the hill, men are very good at just doing it charging.
We've got to get to the top of the hill, boys,
no mucking around. And women are very very good at

(52:12):
finding the best way up the top of the hill.
What was the analogy, really, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Well, what a horribly sexist.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Thing to say.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
How do you know I thought you'd say that, Well,
what if the man invents a really and clever way
to get up the top?

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Yeah, see, now I knew that would fire you up.
Men have invented a bunch of stuff that get you
up a hill pretty fast. Yeah, you know, but they
like to charge up hills as well.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Yeah, yeah, boys.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
I think it's kind of natural thing for a father
to want a son and a mother to want a daughter.
But either way, I'm sure each would be loved equally.
Amazing woman all stretched to her heart breaking what oh
amazing woman. All strength to her.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
They tailed off towards the end, but thank you very much. Oh,
e one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Did you have
a preference for the gender of your children? Did you
leave it as a surprise If you were a father,
did you prefer to to have a son because you
thought it was going to be hopefully easier to raise.
You've been there, done that before. Maybe you were a
bit worried about having a girl because look, as we know,

(53:12):
girls get to an age where the boyfriend question comes
into it. There could be hard for a lot of
fathers to deal with.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
I mentioned yees, especially if you've been a bit of
a scumbag yourself. Yeah, you might go, I don't want
people like me anywhere near my daughter.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
And what do you think of this saying women compliment
each other and don't mean it, nawed it. Men insult
each other and don't mean it. Oh that's a.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Great say, oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighties. What
do you think of that?

Speaker 3 (53:37):
And what do you think the world will be like
if these trends continue in this and then people are
choosing to have females over or wanting to have females
over males. What do you think the world will be
like if it became sixty percent female?

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Twenty two past.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Two Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB, Very.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Good afternoon, and we are talking about preference over gender
of your children. It appears more and more couples preferring
to have girls if they can, over boys. That's an
international trend. Was that the case for yourself when you
had children? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call A couple of texts coming through.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Come on, lads, The pearl of women is women pronounce
women women? Oh women nas women women. Now you're wrong.
There's one women and there's multiple women. Yeah, this texture
is you're absolutely wrong. I'm willing to stake my professional
reputation on it being one women and multiple women.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Yeah, okay, yep, Matt is going to die on that hill.
And this text says, guys, I love men, but I
agree the world would be a better place if there
were more females than males.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
There Probably it might be a better place for the
for the males. Yeah, if you're if you're on might
be better for people on tinder.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Yep, very true. They went on to say that there'd
be the acclaim less violence in the world, less wars,
less crime. Yes, women commits some of these crimes as well,
not at the same level. It's from Tania.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Really, what a horribly sexist comment, Taniatry. I've never been
more shocked and disgusted with sexism on news talks.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
He'd be in my life. Be grateful for a healthy
baby whatever.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
The six absolutely, one hundred percent time, and a neo
natal unit makes you realize what's important. Absolutely everyone.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Everyone.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
You could have a slight preference that you wanted a
boy or a girl, but obviously ninety nine point of
your heart is just hoping that they're there healthy.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
Kish.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Oh, someone says I'm wrong, it's one woman, three women. Oh,
Am I wrong, Sharon, You're a genius.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Kish You were happy with whatever agenda.

Speaker 24 (55:52):
Yeah, I'm happy with whatever agenda, Mate, really honestly with
you know, well, I did want a son because I've
did a lot of thinking about I don't have I
don't have any kids yet, but you know, I did
a lot of thinking around this. You know, even if
I did have a son, You've got to think about
if the sun turned gay, right know, at that point
he also turns into a female side. It's just doesn't

(56:12):
really matter to me, honestly. I just have to have
to cheer for for more ballerina classes, the more soccer classes.
So either way, if I had a daughter, it's just
the same. It's the same same one I've giving. But
you know, to be fair like a son because the
things I've learned, I can pass it on to him,
and you know, he can be a better man than me.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Yeah, I guess I think that's probably what partly in
my thinking of wanting to have a son. But I've
seen people, you know, my mates, that have had daughters,
and they talk about how it being the apple of
your eye and that special relationship between a daughter and
you know, father and daughter is something quite special. It's
quite different and and and it also seems to play out,
you know, like the relationship I had with my mum

(56:52):
before she passed, or for all the time before she passed,
was it's kind of there's a father, there's a there's
a son. A mother son relationship that's really special, different.

Speaker 24 (57:03):
Son mother relationship and the father daughter relationship because I
have a sister, and my sister and my mother had
to get along so well that I don't know how
it goes on between that. But you know it's just
it's just science, I guess yeaheah.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
And so so you you say you plan to have
children at some point kiss?

Speaker 24 (57:22):
Yeah hopefully yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
How many? How many do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (57:26):
How many? Reckon you?

Speaker 24 (57:28):
Well standard, I will go for two. If I would
go for a boy and a girl, yeah, just the
new true. If I get a boy and then they'll
be good. If I get two girls, then a little tough.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Yeah, put on your keish, Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
A lot of status is don't be so ignorant. Google
how to pronounce women. It's women the emphasis on the eye.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
No, I will not swim and women. Yeah yeah, who
kires your muppet show?

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Uh well welcome. Well you want a son, but got
a daughter and you're loving it?

Speaker 14 (58:03):
Yeah yeah, So first off, followed you over here from
how key heap and yeah he's still a punisher. But
now I turned forty, so I think I can listen
to news.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Good man. Yep, will you keep me honest?

Speaker 3 (58:18):
If I stop being a punisher, then then you tell
me okay, because I'd hate for that dad.

Speaker 14 (58:22):
Yeah, and I'm still rocking the Daija Veroti records, mate, Yeah,
give him. So with the whole kid thing, I had
a bit of a crisis about even having a kid.
Our lovely daughter was a bit of a surprise for
both of us, and then my mindset once I got

(58:42):
in line with that was, oh, I'll just be sweet,
I'll get a little lad to all the father son
stuff and then bam, you're having a girl. And so
that was a sessing crisis. But yeah, like I said,
wouldn't change it for the world now, and it really
doesn't matter to me. In fact, in fact, I see
some of my daughter she's six now, see her little

(59:04):
boy mats at school, and they're little terrorism, little punishers.
So so I'm quite happy with being the being the
girl dad and getting my nails done and things like that.
She can do whatever she likes.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Yeah, good on you, Yeah, good on you.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
But just to go back to the start, but beforehand,
did you did you think that you know, beforehand, you
thought that you'd want to want a boy.

Speaker 14 (59:30):
Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, why of my plan was
to never have kids at all? But you know, the
monkey brain and nature happens. So we were blessed, as
some people might say. But so when I got right
with that, yeah, it was very much. Oh sweet, I
have a little lad. That's how it's going to go.
And then I was disappointed initially, and I feel guilty

(59:52):
for that now sometimes when I look at it, thinking, oh,
I wanted you to be a boy, and it was
this terrible thing.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Pretty natural though, well, I think, yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:00:00):
It seems to be about going by to callers. Don't
know about old mate Kesh, were worrying about having a
gay son and bale or any classes. But yeah, and
come into it with me because.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
He said that, yeah he did. Yeah we missed that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Yeah, jeez, I was.

Speaker 14 (01:00:16):
I was. I was getting nervous and I was going
to say something wrong and now I have so No,
it's like my daughter, she's into race cars. She sits
and watches super cars with me. We do, you know,
all sorts of stuff that will play with boys, toys
or whatever. But no, I don't think it matters at
all in the dand age. And yeah, and you see
you see like you know, women can do everything. There's

(01:00:40):
you know, no no bars for anything these days.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Absolutely and bloody good too. Thank you so much for
your call. Well, if you're interested in looking at gender
and balanced, look at China, which prefers boys over girls. Yeah,
I mean that's how this whole thing started. How that
has changed in China. That was that was the topic
of it. But yeah, horrific one point six million girls
missing in the year two thousand from from what you

(01:01:04):
would expect. Yeah, that's in a crazy stat isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
And how fast that has changed China they got rid
of that one China.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
China sex ratio at birth dropped from one one hundred
and seventeen point eight to one hundred and nine point
eight and twenty twenty four indias from one oh nine
point six to one oh six point eight. So it's evening,
it's evening up. Yeah, but then boys tend to die
younger than girls, so you have to have more girls
if you want to have a fifty to fifty split.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Makes sense. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Did you have a preference for your
children when you had them? Love to hear from you,
and do you think more women will make the world
a more peaceful places?

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Pronounce women women, more women.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Thanks women, women, Yeah, it is more women twenty eight,
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Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, And we're talking about a
decline of a preference for having boys worldwide. A lot
more couples and countries around the world would prefer to
have girls over boys. So I've asked the question, did
you have a preference when you had your children on
what the gender would be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Here's a controversial text. Lads, I'm the father of boy
plus girl twins and another daughter. Based on our experience,
I would say boys are far simpler beings and girls
are a lot more emotional. We're sitting at the precipice
of teenage years and I'm genuinely nervous about my daughter's behavior.
That lad will just stink and grant. Life would be
a lot simpler if it was all lads.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
That's from Nick, and a lot of people would agree
with that. I think I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
There's something incredibly powerful about a fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen
year old girl. I've noticed it in my family growing
up with three fantastic sisters. But they were definitely smarter
and that's more difficult to deal with, I'd say in
some ways, just in my experience and just watching my
friend that have teenage daughters, I've seen I've got some

(01:04:11):
friends that are just in an emotional wreck and at
what their teenage daughters are doing to them. But then,
but that's not to say that boys aren't an absolute
you know, they cause.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
A lot of stress.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
I certainly do. They take a lot of crazy risks.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Boys, Peter, you get a did you have a preference
for the ginger of your children?

Speaker 6 (01:04:32):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:04:32):
Mate, Well what Cain came and I look back and
I would I wouldn't change it for the world. So
she turned sixteen yesterday, and for the early years she
was a little tomboy, did everything I wanted to do,
and what she was awesome. And then she slowly found
out that she was a girl and and slowly changed,

(01:04:54):
and like your last caller said, small echoes into oh
my god, this is what I have to deal with now.
But I still wouldn't change it, because it's very cool
that she's finally now who she is. And even though
it's complete chaos, sometimes it's as.

Speaker 19 (01:05:17):
Well with it.

Speaker 9 (01:05:18):
And and you know, I don't even look at you know,
I wish I had a boy. I think that's Yeah,
She's been a great child to raise, and you know
we'll continue raising ti.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Leagues this here, right, So how old is Peter?

Speaker 9 (01:05:35):
Sixteen yesterday?

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
Sixteen yesterday?

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
So, So this cliche, this rubbish cliche that I was
throwing around about daughters being her ndous the difficult to
deal with in their in their teens is not playing
out for you.

Speaker 9 (01:05:49):
Oh she can be a bitch, don't get me wrong,
But that's from a mama, right, yeah, so it's not
a mindset. But you know, and you know how you're
saying that woman.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Some grenades out there, Peter.

Speaker 9 (01:06:07):
It's true can be yeah. Well boys, yeah we can
be dicks, right yeah. But the funny thing is the
more men men usually deal with their problems. We have
a fight, everything's fine. Women just hold on to b
es And it's this more women in as world, I

(01:06:28):
reckon the world would be the worst place to be honest. Yeah,
they just hold grudges and there'd probably be more wars.
So probably be sold with a bunch of flowers and
a card and a hug. But you at least ask guys,
we can ever punch up and be friends and be.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Yeah, straight up. Thanks thanks to you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Call Peter my partner, She said to me today, we
we're talking about the subject because I just read the article,
and she said it seemed to her from the outside
that men think like this. They go as can that
guy beat me up? If no, then I'll punch them.
If yes, I'll follow them. Basically just get a line out.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Yeah, pretty accurate.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
She thought that the way you know, females interacted this
is in a high school type situation, was far, far
harder to navigate.

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Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Said, be afternoon. So I ask the question, did you
have a preference for the gender of your children? It
comes on the back of a article in The Economist
which does show that there is a decline in the
preference for having boys worldwide.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Yeah, that's right, Hey, jents, we got four boys and
four girls.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
Wow, they're all different.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Eight is enough. They're all different from each other. Gender
doesn't have as much to do with it as personality.
I'm closer to some than others, but love them all
the same. Catherine, Welcome the show.

Speaker 15 (01:09:10):
Bloh hello, thank you. So I did have a preference,
and I did want a girl because I was extremely
close to my mum growing up and I always wanted
sort of the same thing with my daughter. And also
the other reason was my sister had a couple of boys,
and whilst they were wonderful kids, they was always in

(01:09:31):
the mud and you know what boys are like, rough
and tumble, and I just wanted these lovely girls playing
with their dolls and coloring it and all that stuff.
So that I was quite young. So these are the
things the reasons why I wanted a girl, And after
I've had two girls, I decided, call that's enough. That's
what I wanted. However, someone had a different planned for me,
and I ended up twin boys. And I do not

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regret it for one second because those boys are coming
up forty this year and they look after their mum
so well now the girls do too. Don't get me wrong, boy,
I'm glad someone out here was looking out for me
because the fellows were the just amazing bring me every day,
you know, I just talked to them all the time,
and the life I had with them was brought around

(01:10:17):
the country, tripping around following Kenderburry hockey and yeah I
got the best.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Yeah they like getting into the mud. Catherine.

Speaker 15 (01:10:26):
Uh well, yeah, yeah, yeah they did. But at that
point it didn't bother me because once you have them,
you just realize how wonderful they are. Doesn't matter what
sex they are really our. One thing on top of that, though,
is I worked in industries where I worked mostly with women.
And whilst you know I love women, I am, I'm
a woman myself and I respect them, but oh god,

(01:10:50):
I wish I worked with more men. Well women, Well,
I don't want to get too negative on it, but
a bunch of women. You need a few men in
the mixed delight in the situation, and they're just easier,
easier people to work around and be.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
Aroun Sorry you terrible success will take it, Catherine.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
I've never been more shocked.

Speaker 15 (01:11:15):
Why no, because women are told and they've got so
much going for them. But you need a maxture in
the max, and you're working in a working environment because yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Know, so, so what do you think about that the
economist this article saying that the world would be a
better place if there were more women in it than men.

Speaker 15 (01:11:35):
Well, we'll never know, will be hope? I mean, maybe
wars and stuff like that when they can be right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Taf as too, so well, they've had, they had, they
had all sorts of problems when it went the other
way with the one child policy in China and it
started tending horrendously towards more men than women, more more
boys than girls. So I imagine that there'll be unforeseen circumstances
whenever it gets out of would you.

Speaker 15 (01:12:03):
Agree, Karen, Oh, yeah, I would. No, we need both,
We need both in the world. They both got a
good points, and we've all got our little eddiosyncracis where
it's not one hundred great. But yeah, I was blessed
to have both you, two of each, and got all
the joys out of both. And yeah, I don't Yeah,
I mean you're only looking at the ones that are

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in charge now. I mean, yeah, get rid of them.
But there's a lot going for me, and I can
tell you they are entertaining lighthearted and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Yeah, good on you, Yeah, good on you. Karen, thank
you for your cool. Hey, I've just seen the most
horrifically sexist text from a Tory right. I basically spat
my coffee out all over the my Costing Memorial studio
when I saw this text.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Now, just quickly, when you say Tory, you don't mean
a conservative voter, you mean they might be called Tory, they.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Are called Tory.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
Yeah, I mean do we have time for it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Should we come back with this this film, Oh, this
person is a horrible sexist.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Yeah, we'll come back to it. I think, yeah, I
just need time to take a few breaths. Oh, all right,
oh eleven to three.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used
talk said.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
Be good after No Nine to three, n inch before.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
I composed myself after this horrible massandry, which is the
opposite of misogyny that has come through on this text
machine from this a Tory, Oh, a toy being her name,
not anative, not a British consertive. There needs to be
a girl on this radio show. I've been wanting to
say this for months, and listening to this, I think

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it even more. Oh ouch, so she thinks that because
oh that's sexism that I I didn't In the year
twenty twenty five, we have people that think that they
shouldn't be on a show because of their sex.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
Yeah, Tory, you were hurt by that, aren't you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I'm not hurt. I'm just shocked. I'm just disappointed. I'm
not hurt. I'm just disappointed in Tory for holding such
such old fashioned values and judging people by their sex.
This is losting, toy.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Let's not forget about Rowena. She's part of the show,
Raylene Ramsey.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Let's get rid of them all male show. Just just
teach toy a listen fat. In fact, I'm going to
in my next employment contract, no woman on the show.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Yep, yep. Nicely done, Shane, How are you mate?

Speaker 7 (01:14:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:14:31):
Good.

Speaker 25 (01:14:32):
I can't remember which one I didn't get up before.
But I just want to point absolutely one hundred feet wrong.
You are finding out the first throw the sticks of
a baby before it's born.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
There was Heath.

Speaker 25 (01:14:44):
I was saying that, Yeah, yeah, absolutely wrong, absolutely wrong.
We have too few surprises in life these days, and
everyone wants to plan every moment of every of every
minute of every day, and I just can't think of
anything more endurable than you know, when maybe comes out
and you're you're sort of wondering what it is. Even

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now you hear enough of balance back to the birth
and to control the children.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
So did you did you so at the ultra scan?
Did you just say just don't tell us, just don't?

Speaker 25 (01:15:16):
And then my wife's in the medical the street, so
she was she came really look at the officers stand.
I was just can because she probably would have been
able to figure out.

Speaker 16 (01:15:24):
What it was.

Speaker 25 (01:15:25):
So yeah, we we we deliberately went one understand out
of our way and not to find out. And I say,
I work with a bunch of younger people than me.
Uh and and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Oh you're just shutting out there. Oh no, we got
your back. Sorry, you just cut out there, Shane. Carry on.

Speaker 25 (01:15:45):
So the one piece of vice you know, which talks
about babies and having kids on that, and then there
was one piece of ice I always give everyone and
absolutely do not find out, okay, than the baby because
it's just just too much fun on the day.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Yeah, look like you know what, I can't change that now,
but I do see the value in that. Yeah, I
just think I was impatient. I really wanted to know.
I'm so excited about having kids, like both our kids.
It was just so joyous that it was happening. Yeah,
that I just got every part of it. I wanted
to happen quicker.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
And I love that. But next time, if it's like
a kind of surprise, then you know, that's pretty fun.
Everyone loves a kind of surprise.

Speaker 14 (01:16:23):
I do know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
And see what you've got.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
I think what Shane's saying there is yeah, which Shane
was around eighteen years ago. I would have agreed with them.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
Then we are going to carry the sign up to
the news, so love to hear from you. On eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Did you have a preference
for the gender of your children? And plenty of techs
coming through on nine two ninety two, And do.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
You agree with what the economist has written this article
saying that the world would be a better place if
the gender ratio tended more towards females, That if there
was more females than males in the world, that the
world would be a much better place. Controversial claim, very controversial.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
Few ticks here, guys gave up on having a boy
after five daughters. Fortunately, women are now equal and have
been given highly paid jobs, so the father doesn't have
to pay for their weddings. Mind you, marriage and family
is really only an optional extra in the culture and
is getting rarer and rarer.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Yeah, God, look at this, all these people saying the
surprise is brilliant, The surprise is brilliant. And look, I
think you might be right, and I think I made
a terrible mistake finding out.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
Yeah, well, you never say never, mate. This one says, guys,
my mother had five kids, four boys and a girl.

Speaker 24 (01:17:39):
Me.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
She made no secret. She didn't want me as a boy,
called me horrible names. I'm sorry to hear that when
I gave birth to a boy, she ended up being
a better grandparent, but only just I had no preference.
I'm now fifty six. Keep those tips coming through on
nine two ninety two, and we want to hear from

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you on eight undred and eighty ten eighty. Did you
have a preference for your children when you had them?
Preference of the gender? I should say, and the follow
up question matters, do you think more women will make
the world a more peaceful place, a better place? Controversial?

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
As the economist claims, yeah, and do you prefer when
Tyler describes the pararl of woman as woman or swimming
woman women women.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
The teacher are still coming through on that one. Women
women like swimmen swimman women women swim and woman new
sport and wear. They're coming up very shortly. Great to
have your company as always. You're listening to matt and Tyler.
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk. Sebby, all right,
your resid alien cord?

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Has you restricted to the island of Manhattan?

Speaker 20 (01:19:01):
Where you going?

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Reggie, Well, it's my wife.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
She's well look, oh all right, okay, no big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
You can't be and you had a lesson? What medeasy?

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
You just catch you Sure he knows what he's doing, does.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
It all the time?

Speaker 26 (01:19:22):
Let the man work, okay, damn man, Kate, oh man?

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Oh okay, look, congratulations Regis.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Squid.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
Great scene from Men and Black.

Speaker 20 (01:19:52):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
And that's loosely what we're talking about is did you
have a preference Maybe you didn't quite want to squid,
but did you have a preference of the gender of
your children, so I back of an Economist article.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Yeah, and as I said before, I did when I
wanted a boy when we first found out we're pregnant,
and now I realized I should have waited, but we
found out the ultrasound. But I think the reason why
I wanted a boy was I just thought that I
might be able to offer more to a boy. And
I was a little bit scared to bring a girl
into the world because I felt like I was just
worried about it a little bit. But I think I'm

(01:20:26):
probably was probably wrong. But you know, my two boys
are fantastic, but you're living. But when you're first having
your first kids, you're so scared about so many different things.
Then you think, well, I've been a boy, so maybe
I can offer more to a boy than I can
to a girl.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
Makes a lot of sense, and without going into it,
but a lot of people know that me and my
partner may ever trying, and genuinely I would prefer a girl.
And the reason I say that is because I've got
three brothers, love them to death, great, but I have
never really grown up, so I don't have any sisters.
And for that fact alone, I think I would prefer
to have a girl.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Coming to that, It's really interesting because I've got three
sisters and I wanted a boy. Partially I blame my
sister's wonderful people absolutely and Louis Catherine image love them. Yeah,
my mum was a very female house on the farm.
But they didn't never wanted to play cricket with me,
and they've always resented that they never wanted to play
cricket with me. And to be fair, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
It's those child childhood traumas. They stay with you when
it comes to, you know, have your own children. My
big sister Catherine, fantastic human being, terrible, terrible bowler, not
much of a bowler.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
These horror it wasn't good on the spin, these horrific
Dibley Dobbleish eighty ten eighty is the numberical love. But
the supplementary question here is this all stems from an
article in The Economists that was saying that the ratio
and births in the world is tending towards female now
for a while due to horrific policies like the one
child policy, where people were making what just horrible decision

(01:21:56):
to abort female embryos. Yes, so that is that is
shifted now. But the economists went to say a mostly
female world would be more peaceful and better run. But
if women were ever to make up a large majority,
some men might exploit their stronger bargaining position in the
mating market by becoming more promiscuous or reluctant to commit

(01:22:18):
themselves to relationship, which is pretty it's pretty rough from
the economists with no evidence to back it up, just
to say that it would be better if they're a woman,
but men would probably misbehaves. That's the take from the economists.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
Yeah, there's no footnotes, there's no backup.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Evidence, But I would say I've lived in a mainly
female run world with my three sisters and my mum yep,
and they were great people. That it was great.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
Yeah, but I don't know if that would size up
to the whole world.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
And as you said before, you know, in China with
the one child policy when they had too many males,
it didn't go so well for them, And you could
argue that if the balance shifts the other way, then
the unforeseen circumstances, as you said last hour, highly likely.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
What's all this boys versus girls stuff as well, like
why does the economists have to make it a boys
versus girls. I mean, we're evolved to for it to
be about fifty to fifty. What's wrong with that? Yeah,
you know, it was a horrible thing when they were
making it go the other way. So why is the
economist celebrating the idea that it's out of balance to
the female side.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
It is a very crafty line. You might speculate that
are mostly female world become a more peaceful and better run.
No author you speculate, Barbara, welcome to the show. You've
got both boys and girls.

Speaker 27 (01:23:31):
Yes, thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Thank you for ring it.

Speaker 27 (01:23:34):
To start off, I'd rather have males than females, okay,
because they are easier. And I had four brothers and
two sisters. But I spent most of my adult life
in the Army, and I've spent most of my life
with males. And my daughter was a great kid right
through until after high school. But yeah, I think males

(01:23:59):
are really a lot easier to deal with.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
But Barbara, there'll be a lot of people listening right
now with teenage sons that they're pulling their hair out,
going God, how do I deal with this situation? As well.
Do you think it might just be more to do
with the the individual than the sex.

Speaker 27 (01:24:18):
Oh, possibly yes, But I think you know the way
you deal with them is different. You deal with boys
differently than you do with females. And I think you
know everybody's pleased with kids, whatever they are.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Absolutely you know.

Speaker 27 (01:24:33):
I was pleased my husband was going to go to
Africa if I had two girls.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
It's extreme.

Speaker 27 (01:24:40):
I'm glad I had a boy of men.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Good on your Barbera, thanks for calling. The Sexta says
I had four boys, the last one I secretly hope
for a girl. I had wanted a boy first, as
I grew up in a family of four girls. My mother,
in moments of exasperation, would say I didn't want girls,
I wanted boys. I was a tomboy to try and
win some favor was not good. And I think my
desire to have boys was a subconscious wish to finally
please my mum.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
It's interesting. Good text thirteen past three, but love to
hear your thoughts. On eight hundred eighty ten eighty bag
very shortly here on NEWSTALKSB Good afternoon. We've asked the question,
did you have a preference about the gender of your
children on the back of an Economist article that says
there is a decline in the preference they're having boys.
So I love to hear from you on O eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you're on a text three,

(01:25:26):
you're more than welcome. Nine two ninety two is the
text number.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
It's interesting in the States now when seeking to adopt
couples in the United States pay extra for girls. Now, wow, wow,
interesting Robin, you've got three boys and two girls.

Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
Hi. Hi guys, Well I've got three three, three boys
and the girl. Now I lost my first baby girl.

Speaker 7 (01:25:52):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
I sorry to hear that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:54):
Yeah, that was a bit of a bummer. But in
the reality of it, I chose not to know what
my babies, whether they are going to be boy or
girl because of that. And you go through laby, you know,
you've got to have something at the end of the

(01:26:14):
day for the big surprise.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
So I like, yeah, that's an interesting thing that someone
texted through And I hadn't actually thought of that, that
that extra thing for the person that's actually giving birth,
as you know, as an extra thing to look forward
to in an extra Yeah, as exactly as you say,
I selfishly hadn't looked at it like that. I just
wanted to know myself, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:37):
Yeah, yeah, no, it is actually a really good thing
to do because when I had so, I had my
first daughter, then I had two sons, then I had
the daughter, then I had another son. So when the
daughter was born, it was like, oh, you're joking, you know, thinking, oh,

(01:27:01):
it's going to be a boy more likely, but it
was a girl. So yeah, a big, big surprise, beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Surprise, beautiful surprise. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:27:10):
Yeah. But I must say though, when you do have
the boys, they they do the boys stuff. I love
the boys stuff, and my girl she also loves the
boys stuff, so she was probably a lot more braver
than what the boys were and faster to learn things
to like driving. But yeah, so most of the time

(01:27:36):
with my kids, I had to wear two boots. I
was mum and dad most of the time because their
father worked three chefs, so it was you know, he's home,
sleeping through the day or away nights, all of that,
all of that sort of stuff. So I think that
they're they're pretty cool if you can keep away the crap,

(01:28:03):
the the bitchiness parts of of bringing kids. It's up,
keep it, keep it simple, and you know, but I'd
imagine today might be quite a little bit harder with
having girls than boys, just because of how girls think now,

(01:28:32):
and you've got all the technology as well, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
I think it does.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
It does appear that females suffer more from from social media.
Social media, I know, based or cause depression. If you
read the co of America or the books on anxiety,
I think social media can be really, really tough on females.

Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
Yeah, yeah, but it is good to have. Like one
of your callers, a lady caller, she said, it's great
to have men in the workforce. And I believe that too.
Like I was brought up with mostly men around me,
and I'd we were on a big property, big station

(01:29:15):
in Australia, and I'd be out the door with the men.
As soon as they were putting their boots on. I
was in the back of thet with the dogs and
going out in the bush and so I didn't have
to mop flaws or dust.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Now, Robin, you've you've been in you know, you've three
boys and the girl. What do you what do you
think about this idea that a mostly female world would
be more peaceful and better run that the economist is claiming.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
Once upon a time, I would have thought it was
it would have been a good mix, but not the
way that women treat each other and talk about each other.
And you know that bitch in this part if because
you need you need the boys to sort of to
be there to take the crap out of things and

(01:30:14):
just keep it. It's a little bit like just keep
it simple, stupid, or it's black and white with boys.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Robin. There's
a lot of truth to that. I mean, you know
there you we're pretty black and white. We're pretty simple creatures.
Robin can say that, but you can't when it comes
to you know, and as you said, when when you
raise girls nowadays with the social media but also the
bullying in high school, it goes outside of the school, right,

(01:30:45):
Whereas guys in high school just got that brain that
he got a problem with another feller, have a bit
of a dust up and then hopefully it's all sort
of either it's not sort of cool, you just don't
talk to each other. But with young girls a lot
harder because they take that bullying into the digital world
and gets quite Macavelian.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Yeah, I don't know the exact stats on it, but yeah,
definitely honest and Height seems to think that it's that
the stats suggest that young girls are suffering from depression
and you can track it exactly from when you know
smartphones became very very common for young people, that the
levels of depression for young females is plummeted. Yeah, more

(01:31:25):
so than boys, so it is. Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
One I e one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Couple of calls to get to it
is twenty two, pass three back in a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
News Talk zed B. Did you have a preference of
the gender for your children? I eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Nine nine two is
the text number if you want to send a text
as well. Get a mark.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Good afternoon, gentlemen, How are you very good?

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
So you've got both boys and girls?

Speaker 28 (01:32:04):
Yeah, I've got two boys and a girl. We found
out they were just simply because I don't know. We
lived in a small house at that time, and we
didn't want to have multiple pairs of different color coding
and plus financial as well because I was the only
one that was working at the time, and so we
sort of found out very a little bit easier. I

(01:32:26):
know some people think differently, but I wouldn't change the things.
They're all great kids, all very different ones. You know,
the oldest boys into this technology and he works for
a good tech company.

Speaker 17 (01:32:37):
My daughter's.

Speaker 28 (01:32:39):
She's all grown up now twenty and I've got a
teenager boy who's a great way sportsman in a professional shitthead.

Speaker 9 (01:32:46):
But that's all good.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
See.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
I pushed back on all these people that are saying
that girls are trouble in their teens because I can
describe I can describe a lot of boys that I think.
I was a terrible teacher that was a nightmare for
my parents. I mean, none of my sisters, Mark, none
of my sisters stole Dad's car and ran a red light,
crested it when he was supposed to get school. Yeah,

(01:33:11):
and my sister did anything as bad as that.

Speaker 28 (01:33:14):
And also on the topic, if men were to become extinct,
possibly three things that could really happen. Could you imagine
if there was the insects and all the rodents got window.
There were no men that women would be trapped in
their houses because they would you know, it would be
like a would be like a documentary. You know, day
fifty one, the spider is still on the doorknob. How

(01:33:35):
am I going to get out of my house? Secondly,
there'll be multiple cars landing on the road because we
know what woman alike would come servicing. They seem to
forget their vehicles. Third one, there wouldn't be any world
wars because simply nations wouldn't speak to each other. And
then they'll be on social media and it'll be like,

(01:33:56):
don't trust Career because she's sleeping with Germany. She's a slapper,
and it would go on for years.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Make do you mind if there's just like I can
see like a group of people just doing some pitchforks
together around those last three comments.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
Just wonder if I.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Can give you address out just so they both passed
Tyler and I No marks got back.

Speaker 9 (01:34:18):
Yeh, look they can.

Speaker 28 (01:34:19):
I know they can find me in the land of
onion sausages.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Land of onion sausages, Gone mark, and you know all
is forgiven with the onion sausages.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
Let's go. It's a good place.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Yeah, absolute staple of Southern cuisine.

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
Right, I think I'll we have time for Craig. Craig,
you've got three girls?

Speaker 19 (01:34:39):
Yeah, mate, three girls. On the third one. I wanted
to find out what I really wanted that boy. I'm
glad I did because when in the ultra sound when
they said it was another girl, sort of my heart
sank momentarily, you know, held beings on the boy, but
by the time you got to the car, you're really
looking forward to when your new girl's going to arrive,
you know. But I wouldn't have liked to have bet

(01:35:00):
that feeling in the delivery suite.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:35:05):
You're also got to wish what you you know, think
what you're wished for. Tyler, you said you want girls.
I'll tell you what they're really good until they're thirteen.
Then I call it the bitch factor. And that'sn't until
they're about twenty two or twenty three. And during that
time that you've got a boy, you've only got one
willing to worry about what girls you've.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Got them all.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
Yeah, it's fair argument.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
It's a yeah, very fair argument.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
It's quite a famous saying that one. Yeah, particularly potentially controversial.
I mean in the end, I mean, you know, just whatever.
You just want the kid to be healthy.

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
Right yeah, healthy, happy, and look it appears to be
a lot of people have said this A balance is important. Yeah,
I think that's what it's about, right, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
I mean, how badly did trying to get it wrong
with the one child policy? And then you know, as
I said before, one point six million girls missing in
two thousand from how many you'd expect to be born.
I mean, isn't that that's a that's just a horrible situation.
But I would push back on the economist saying that
the world would be a better place with more females
than men. Yeah, I think. I think we complement each

(01:36:07):
other exactly. I think we've evolved.

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
Men and women for a reason. We need both.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
This text out, I thought this was a touching text.
I always remember driving my wife to hospital at one
hundred kilometers at per hour, but driving home at ten
kilometers an hour. That was fourteen years ago. When that
sums that there's a deep meaning in that. Driving there
one hundred kilimeters now and driving home at ten calmears
now that is a lovely lady. Makes me well up
a little bit thinking about that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
For some reason, that was a great discussion, so thank
you very much for everyone who called in text on that.
Coming up, we have Mark Vitti back with us. He's
a world renowned animal behaviorist. He's an educator who's been
working with animals for over forty years, and he is
taking your calls and questions if you've got an issue
with your pet, he's the man to chat to. And
the more obscure the pets, the better we want to

(01:36:51):
try and throw Mark. We haven't managed to throw them
with any pet now so yet. So now is your opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
And speaking of Mar's ng in sausage, Mark I will
text in. If you want to address for your mob
with your pitchfawks, then just text down and give you
his stress.

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Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
Thank you very much. Rayleian Mark Viddi is a world
renowned animal behaviorist an educator who has been working with
animals for over forty years. He's a trained animal psychologist
as well, and he joins us once a month on
our ask the Expert series. He's back with us. Mark,
Good afternoon, Good afternoon. How are you very good?

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
Has it been a month already?

Speaker 4 (01:38:45):
Time fly? Mark?

Speaker 23 (01:38:47):
Yeah, finished the book since Sensor.

Speaker 7 (01:38:49):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
Oh, Win's the book out September.

Speaker 23 (01:38:53):
Your cat's in so Cat Bavy book.

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
You go fantastic?

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Look for that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
Will Donald will be interested in a career and non
hunting cat.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Oh wow, well, look Donald be interested in that because
Donnad's got a cat question.

Speaker 15 (01:39:04):
Donna, do we have a Hi?

Speaker 29 (01:39:10):
We have a mixed breed one and caby. But he's
mixed breed. He's crazy anyway, it's one a half years old,
is very very well fed at home. He's lively anyway,
he's taken now to not just chasing mice, he's and
killing them. But he's now eating them. Why would he
do that? He is an outside care he is a hunter.

(01:39:32):
But the previous cat would wouldn't do that at all.

Speaker 23 (01:39:36):
Yeah, that's very natural. It's very natural. I mean, cats
don't don't hunt or not hunt because they're hungry or
not angry. So it might seem unusual, but that's that's
the natural that species. And so yeah, that when they hunt,
they they often don't eat initially when they're when they're

(01:39:56):
naive to hunting, and they're early in hunting, they don't
get guided by the mother from four to six weeks on.
Then they don't have great hunting skills. And in fact,
my new books one of the big things that we're teaching,
that book has how to prevent hunting, you know, to
develop no hunt conditioning for particularly for birds, you know,
and just to decrease wildlife killing. But of course the

(01:40:19):
hunting Marston rats uns so much of an issue in
that sense because they also hunt the wildlife. So so
what we in.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
That situation is natural for the cat to eat.

Speaker 23 (01:40:29):
It's all it's all natural that, yeah. And as they
develop they're hunting skills. They go from just catching, which
is part of what they do when their kittens before
they actually learned to kill and eat. And and there
they're different stages in the in the hunting sequence what
we what we call used to call a fixed action
pattern now called a modal action pattern. So those are

(01:40:49):
those are what the sequence of babes they go through
in hunting, driven by different motivations or seeking mechanisms in
their hormones and so on.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
So that's the way it all works. Yeah, they the.

Speaker 15 (01:41:03):
Question, thank you, what's your what's your book called?

Speaker 23 (01:41:07):
Then it will be called Cats, and it's coming out
in September. So it's it's about how to rear and
train a cat, and it's also about how to how
do you spell that c a t zdy in it's
about being able to teach a cat to bond with you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Really well, thank you for you called Donna.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
So better mouse meat? Nothing wrong with a bit of
mouse meat for a cat then.

Speaker 23 (01:41:32):
No, No, of course it's got all the goods and
it that's exactly what they're designed to eat, so that's
only natural to do here.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
The tails are delicious. Welcome to show you've got a
you've got a cat question as well?

Speaker 30 (01:41:47):
Hi Julie, Hello, sorry, Yes, one of my cats, the
one particularly you colimb under up on the beard to
go under the bed clothes. She'll come over to my
side where I'm sleeping, and she proceeds the backside to
my face.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
Rue with the tail lifted up right up as well.
That's what cats do. They love the tail being right
up under those circumstances.

Speaker 23 (01:42:17):
Exactly, you know, I mean the interesting thing about normally
what happens when they come up to you is they
come up with their cheek, and if you handle their
cheek and you'll hear them, of course they'll start pairing
in that situation. And as opposed to let them adopt
their own position. It's probably not that she's turning that
way for any particular reason except that she feels more

(01:42:39):
comfortable that way. But if you actually handle her in
the chin cheek region, then you'll see her keep presenting
the front of her head for a while and then
and then she'll fall as sheep in that position and
she's start learning to sleep that way, if that's what
you wanted to do, So kicking the cheek because that
activates what we call the peril glands around the face
there and that which is their rubbing pheromones, and that's

(01:43:03):
them meat and Greek behavior towards their mum. And you're
the mom, you're the sayingad mother.

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
Because I was gonna ask why do cats like to
just stick the heads into small spaces? That's probably why
because they love a lot of cats. If you, you know,
you make a wee hole with your hands, they love
to just squeeze the head in there. I take it
they've got some sort of you know, they just laugh
a bit of a chick scratch.

Speaker 23 (01:43:23):
Yeah, well they do, and and you'll see, you know
how they pushed against you when you come up and
greet them, and that's what you're after. I call that
joining up in cats, And so when I'm joining up
with a cat, I tickle the cheek. It's always the
first place you should touch a cat. Don't touch your
cats anywhere else. Always touch on the cheek. And that's
for that reason, fair enough to Yes, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
Quite nice for humans as well.

Speaker 23 (01:43:44):
I've got to say whiskers to.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
Yeah, exactly, I like one hundred and eighty and eighty.
We're joined by Mark Vidi Wild, renowned animal behaviorist. He's
taking your questions. You've got a problem with your pet,
here is the man to chat too. It's twenty one to.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
Four the issues that affect you, and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
They'd be good afternoon nineteen to four, and we're joined
by Mark Vitti Wild, renowned animal behavior normally with oh sorry,
Mark taking your calls on oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty and we've got a full board here, but
there's a couple of text questions comes through for your mark.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
Here we go. This is from a Chelsea. I'm adopting
an adult cat this weekend. She's five and not overly affectionate.
How do I make her love me?

Speaker 23 (01:44:31):
Well, that's a good question. One of the things about
cats is the early socialization that they have in the
two to seven week period predetermines pretty much their level
of sociality into the future. So depending on how much
they got and clearly she didn't get that much at
that time or enough, and that's why she's a bit
more independent. However, if you've just got her, it does
take a while for a cat to adapt and resocialize

(01:44:54):
and rebond. So the best thing to do is once
you start getting feeding under control and she starts to
realize that you're in charge of those kind of goods,
then that's the first step towards your heart and click
training I use to enhance that appetite and that ability
for them to realize that I'm in control of those

(01:45:16):
resources and I can get it to do things, even
if it's just to come and sit. But basically, what
I'm trying to do is make that relationship stronger, and
the way to do that is to utilize food in
that early stage. And when they do engage with you,
then you move into what I called joining up, which
is that little tickle on the cheek mainly, and don't
progress down the rest of the body for a little

(01:45:36):
while until the cat starts to show you that it
wants to engage you, and that's by rubbing against you,
and so don't force the issue with a cat's.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Its own.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
Daniel, welcome to the show. You've got a question about
a one year old dog.

Speaker 31 (01:45:50):
Yeah, good hs, thanks for taking the school. Look, we're
at a four and a half year old boditoria. He's
suburb and we recently, well you ago got a saw
the foxy, durable little feller, mostly super well behaved, and
that recently you've took a out of the trade at
night and you're speaking on his.

Speaker 25 (01:46:10):
Bed quite well.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
No problems.

Speaker 31 (01:46:13):
The problems we have with him, We've got plenty of
true toys. But like today was probably the third fourth
time it's happened where he'll destroy something while we're gone.
But when I said, well we're gone, my wife, I'm lucky.
The laughter she's a stay home mum and of the
time she occasionally pops out for an hour or two.
And today destroyed a kid's school book, so we're up

(01:46:35):
for a library.

Speaker 23 (01:46:37):
Yeah, it's so he's starting to show separation dustries issues.
Does it seem to get anxious somehow or worry about
you being when you leave when everyone goes away, and
is that when it's.

Speaker 31 (01:46:47):
Happening now he seems to be quite happy. He didn't
like to create too much, and that's why we got
one of that night, and he's been great. It's just
when when my wife will leave home for a couple
of hours, it's like a I don't know, we think
it's almost like a rebellious how do.

Speaker 14 (01:47:04):
You leave me?

Speaker 23 (01:47:05):
Yeah, it'll be separation industries once when when you get
a dog that starts that gets thatched at that level,
which you know, did you say he was rescue?

Speaker 25 (01:47:13):
Was he nom?

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
Yes?

Speaker 23 (01:47:18):
So it sounds like the basis of that would be
separation distress. So I'd expect I'd be doing a little
bit of what it call graduated departure around the house
and just see if he settles, you know, when you
leave for short periods and he can last, I'd also,
of course take up all the jewables to the greed
I can, and I would also look to do some
environmental management, decide to keep him in a different place

(01:47:41):
that's more suitable for you know, not destroying you know,
the important family things. And so I think about that
just over the first while. I suspect he's just getting
more attached and more and separation distress is setting in
a bit more. Particularly when you got someone at home
all the time, they tend to get over attached. So
I suspect that's what's going on, and that's probably separation

(01:48:03):
to stress on. If you jump onto the schools, there's
a video on showing you how to do graduated departure.
So that's the technique that I'd be using and hopefully
that's the issue.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
Thank you. You called Daniel Susie. You've got a seven
year old rescue dog that's a bit anxious, Yes, I have.

Speaker 31 (01:48:22):
Yes, he's He will just head butter windows till it breaks,
and rip up curtains, carpet too, off, the knobs on
the cabinet tree, just loud noises.

Speaker 30 (01:48:32):
And I can't get him out of it.

Speaker 23 (01:48:34):
Yeah, So so so what we do is we use
a we you go on to us YouTube or iTunes,
and there's also a couple of websites. If you jump
on my stuff, those websites are there. You can get
what called what we call the sound scary tapes and
uh and they just play them over over the speaker
and using a desnsitization technique with clicking food reward, you

(01:48:57):
can then desensitize into those sounds. It takes about six weeks.
You've got to put a bit of diffident obviously, and yeah,
it's very durable.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
If you're how old is the dog see them seven?

Speaker 23 (01:49:09):
Yeah, so it's an adult and quite late in life,
so it's not unusual that as they grow older they
get a little bit more hypercents of to noise.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
But often it's had.

Speaker 23 (01:49:18):
It was there to some degree in the early stages,
but now it's developed into a phobia. So when you've
got a phobia at that level, sometimes we need drug
facilitated therapy as well. If you jump into dogs in
either the book or the or the online videos, this
video on how to treat that, and it shows you
how to do the desensitization with a clicker and sometimes

(01:49:39):
you'll need veterinary help with medication.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
Yeah, I hope that helps Susie and mouth. You've got
a prolific liquor.

Speaker 6 (01:49:49):
I have.

Speaker 21 (01:49:49):
Indeed, we have we a nine year old la Epso
male dog and he's a great dog. But he's a
proflific liquor. The moment down beside us, he starts flicking.
If you're take them to our bedroom of nighttime, he
slips down the licks and licks and licks.

Speaker 13 (01:50:04):
Not necessarily.

Speaker 31 (01:50:07):
Himself, Yes, himself and you or himself.

Speaker 21 (01:50:11):
Himself, tells us. But yeah, he'll lock himself and then
he'll turn on us and start looking at leagus or whatever.

Speaker 14 (01:50:19):
But looking.

Speaker 23 (01:50:21):
Has he got obsessive licking on his skin somewhere?

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
Is that what he's doing?

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
Like on his legs.

Speaker 21 (01:50:27):
It can where he can reach, mark like he can
his foot or his belly or anywhere he can reach.
You'll lick.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
Yeah, right, and then he does the same with you.

Speaker 18 (01:50:37):
He does, he does, Yeah, he does.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
Yeh's nine years old?

Speaker 23 (01:50:40):
Is he is he getting geriatric?

Speaker 31 (01:50:42):
Do you think is there any geriatric issues going on?

Speaker 7 (01:50:44):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:50:44):
No, I mean we've had him for quite some time,
he says, a nine years old.

Speaker 8 (01:50:47):
We've had him for nine year getting on.

Speaker 21 (01:50:50):
Yeah, he is like he has licked for a long
long time and we came to a vent. The vit said, oh, look,
it's probably anxiety or something like that. But I just
sort of can't see that being the case.

Speaker 23 (01:51:01):
But dog, no, no, let me give you a trick.
Let me give you a trick to have a great
it's you know, it's an obsessive behavior, as you can see,
and licking and dog communication is soliciting. It's like kissing,
you know, it's a it's a soliciting, appeasing gesture, and
that's why they do it to you, doing it to themselves.

(01:51:23):
It's often caused by something else, you know, namely analogy.
But in this case, what I do is I click
a train them out of it, you know, which means
I get them on the clicker with a high value
food reward, and when they come into interaction with me,
you know, the first thing they're going to do is lick.
So instead of doing that, I click on a reward
for not looking, and which happens obviously, you can do

(01:51:44):
that straight away because they're not looking yet. And then
I delay the click systematically for longer and longer until
such time as they stop the licking behavior. You've normally
got to redirect them onto some other activity like a
chew toy, a kong or something like that for the
initial stages. But as you progress, you can actually teach
them to understand what you're doing. And then you just

(01:52:05):
start to put a leave at command then and you're
not being assertive or aggressive, You're just saying it queue
and they learned that queue and then they stop looking.
But remember every time you are assertive with them, they
will increase in their looking, not decrease it. You can't
do my punishment.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Well, interesting, thank you, I reckon, I reckon my dog.
Colin starts looking just to wake me up on the morning. Yeah,
it starts going.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
Well, that's another.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
Yeah, five fifteen am. He wants a walkas face it's like.

Speaker 23 (01:52:39):
Means it also normally means breakfast, doesn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
What is when you've missed heard that? Tyler? He's not
looking in my face. He's looking his own downstairs.

Speaker 4 (01:52:46):
All right, okay, Yeah, he's having a good time.

Speaker 26 (01:52:49):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
Here's a question exactly exptly, here's a question about a turtle.

Speaker 7 (01:52:55):
Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
Can you please ask Mark how long do red eared
sliders live for? We were given one about thirty years ago.
And it is huge. Still seems to be healthy, but
we don't know if he's geriatric or not.

Speaker 23 (01:53:08):
Oh god, I'd have to use AI to check that
time frame because but it's long.

Speaker 6 (01:53:13):
You know.

Speaker 23 (01:53:14):
All of the reptiles, particularly the turtles and the tortoises,
live a long time, and so I would expect thirty
or forty years, but I'm not quite sure. Yeah, but
I'll look that up for you and give you the number.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
Well, it's a red did you say it's a red redhead?
RADI slider yep, ready to slider?

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
What about what that Gala tortoise thirty?

Speaker 23 (01:53:39):
I'll go here if I can.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Yeah, there's that Galapagos tortoise Harriet that Charles Dowen brought
back on the Beagle that lived for one hundred and
seventy six years. Gave it to the gave it to
the Queen to Yeah that's a good run.

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
Six years.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
That's not bad.

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:53:56):
The Greenland shark I think the oldest of three hundred
and fifty or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:00):
Yeah. Mark Fantastic has always chock a block on the
phone and a whole heap of ticks that will have
to get to next time. Thank you very much, and
we'll catch in about a month's time here.

Speaker 7 (01:54:11):
We look forward to it.

Speaker 23 (01:54:12):
Yeah, if anyone needs more answers, just jump on our
Facebook and we'll direct you to an answer.

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
Yep, very good. Thank you that you can go check
it out. Mark Vetti dot com and his cats In
book will be out soon. It is eight to four.

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