Full Show Podcast: 11 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Hello, are you great, New Zealanders? And welcome to Matt
and Tyler Afternoon's full Show Pod number eighty four, eighty
four ticking along. It is the eleventh of March. It's
a Tuesday, and had a fantastic show. A lot of
heartwarming stories about checking in on parents and some horrible
stories about cats eating dead people's noses.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Later on the show nasty creepy yes.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
And look we went deep into business in India, some
really interesting stuff there. So I thought it was a
bloody good show. Actually I enjoyed myself, so hopefully you
enjoy it. So I set to download, subscribe, shared, do
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and give them a taste of Kiwi Love you.

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Love you.

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Speaker 3 (01:18):
Good afternoon. Welcome into the show, Tuesday after Noon, seven
past one. I hope you're having a great day, Ghetto.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Matt get A, Tyler get everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Now, there's been a lot of shit about The White Lotus,
and I know you're a Messa fan.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah I am, although I didn't watch a new episode
that came out last night. It's on Neon.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well there's a headline that has just caught my attention
and I'm in the White Lotus. Harry Potter star Jason
Isaac shops fan with revealing nude scene. You can have
a read of it on the hero but I'm just
having a look at the picture. I'm just going to
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basic instinct going on there. Who as if you needed

(01:54):
another reason to watch The White Lotus.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Every season a White Lotus has some kind of full
frontal nudity in it, doesn't it. Yeah, you know, confronting
some brand in season one. Oh my god, there's a
particularly confronting scene that people have seen it will know,
around a certain father's operation. There's not going to details,
but yeah, so I haven't seen White Loaders episode four.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, I don't know if that's a spoiler or that's
just something to look forward.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
To watch huge spoiler. Yeah, we go so you don't
tell us anything on nine two nine two on that
and we had a huge conversation you studied, didn't we
about how much more enjoyable at us to watch shows
weekly or other than binging.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
There it is. It's a talking point every week right
on to today's show. Now, this was something that happened
to you yesterday. The question we're going to put to
you before we tell the story is how far do
you push it when it comes to meat products? Yeah,
as if you want to use the best before labels
or if you've just left meat outside of the fridge

(02:52):
for twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, well so yeah, we'll go into the details. Actually,
it's it's quite a harrowing story. It is a of
the meat package that could have been. It actually looked
a lot like when it arrived here in the studio,
like the head, the box that had the head on
the end of seven.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
What's in the.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Situation? Yeah? Yeah, but yeah, how can you push meat?
I think the sniffiest is all you need. I think
get rid of the experts, get rid of the best buys,
and if you can't trust your nose, then what can
you trust?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yep, And hopefully we'll speak to an expert on that
after three o'clock as well after two o'clock. How often
should you check on your family on the back of
course of the heart renting conclusion over the weekend from
authorities in the US about the manner of death for
actor Gene Hackman, it appears likely that he died of
heart disease with complications from Alzheimer's disease a week after

(03:51):
his wife passed away from a rare rodent born disease
as well.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Tragic. So he survived and in a pretty terrible state
for seven days after his wife passed, So that must
have been a difficult time. He was unable to look
after himself. It would appear still don't know what happened
to the dog because of the dog down as well. Yeah,
but you know, his daughter will be kicking herself that
he didn't she didn't check on him on the on

(04:17):
during that seven days his family members. So how often
should you check in on your on your family, on
your parents, grandparents as well, grandparents parents? You know, what
do you owe them? Do you do you owe your
grandparents and your parents to check on them? And I
think you do? Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, you wouldn't be here
you wouldn't be here without your ancestors. You know, you

(04:40):
owe them, You owe them everything. Yes, all the way
struggles that that that they went through to get you,
we hear, you know. So the least you could do
was phone Grandma once a week.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Nicely bought and we might broaden that out to the
old granny flat as well. That is something that I
think more families are doing and it's a win win.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, I want to hear. I want to hear about
that if people, because you know our house when I
was growing it had granny flat. Yea, my mate Neil
had in it, but there was a granny flat there
and so that used to be real thing. And it
seems very very convenient, right yep. You know financially you
get maybe sitters. Yeah, move the grandparents in if they
want to, not against their will. No, it can't force them.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
But that is the chat up to two o'clock because
right now, let's have a chat about doing business in India.
It is on the back of course of Christopher Luxen.
He is sticking to his commitment to try and secure
a free trade deal with India as he prepares to
make an official visit to the subcontinent. Later this week,
he's going to meet Prime Minister Narenda Modi, which is
a big deal, and he'll also spend several days in

(05:40):
Delhi and Mumbai where he will have an official bilateral
meeting with Mody alongside meetings with Indian business leaders. It
is a huge international market for US, but as it stands,
it represents it in terms of our export one point
four percent, that is, of all exports of total goods
and services that was in the December twenty twenty four quarter.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, there's one point four billion people if you go
in one point four so it's only one point four
of our exports, but there's one point four billion people
up there. Surely we can pump that up a little bit.
But have you done business with India? I mean, it's
easy to say that you get a you know, a
free trade deal with India and look, it looks like
dairy is unlikely to be on there, but you get
a deal. How do you go about that? Have you

(06:23):
done business with India? Have you done business on the
ground in India? Because you know, I've been to India
a couple of times and I've got to say it's
very different on the ground. Yeah, you know, you good
luck trying to drive a car around there if you
don't know how it works. It's like a float. In Bangalore.
The traffic flows like a river. People aren't stopping at intersections.
It's just you know that the logistics of getting around

(06:46):
is interesting. Are you trying to do business with India
and what are the challenges logistically and culturally? And is
it even a thing do we have? Because what are
we going to export to India?

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Well?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, if you take dairy and off, you know, what
are we going to do? I mean, some wine, some apples?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Well have we got Well apparently we higher tariffs on
our wine and apple exports than our Australian counterparts. So
that surely is something that our Prime minister can hopefully change.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Flood them with some wine. Yep, that's good.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
What else have we got? L and P? I mean,
you know what else do they want? You're quite right,
but clearly that is a massive international market. We do
a lot of trade with China, but with the world
the way it is at the moment, do we need
to be making some more leguway with the Indian subcontinently.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
On the other side of the coin, if you've come
to New Zealand from India and you're doing business here?
What is the differences on the ground here, Because you
know that'll tell us a lot about that, doesn't the
whole the whole business and admin and logistics of trade
between the two countries.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
YEP, keen to hear from you. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Have you done
business in India? Or if you are here and you're
from India, what's it like doing business in New Zealand?
Nine two ninety two is the text number. It is
thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
everything in between. Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo
XC ninety, attention to detail and a commitment to comfort.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
News talks, there'd be good afternoon. It is sixteen passed
one and on the back of the Prime Minister heading
to India in the next five days to try and
secure a free trade deal, We've asked the question, have
you done business in India? What were the challenges, what
were the circumstances? How easy was it to tap into
that market? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

(08:42):
the number.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
To call.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Nineteen nine two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Welcome to show Mike. You've done a bit of business
in India, I believe.

Speaker 6 (08:50):
Yeah, Matt. Back in twenty sixteen, I spent a year
going up and down from Auckland helping out a sister
company there.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, and what cities was that in?

Speaker 6 (09:02):
It was in Mumbai, which was a cool place.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, so you know it's a cool place. What are
the challenges doing a business in a huge place like
Mumbai for a Kiwi.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
Well, apart from the traffic being a bit busier in
the talktook horns being incessant, I think the biggest thing
I found was just the cultures different. I mean, India
is I don't know, people have to wherek and fight
a lot harder than New Zealand, so things are a
bit more aggressive. It's honest in a way, but yeah,
it was just Keys are pretty laid back and India

(09:37):
is just a little bit more confrontation, I guess, And
the same applies to business.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Was there quite a few challenges to tap into that market?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Mike?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
How did that work for you to try and get
in in the first place?

Speaker 6 (09:49):
Well, I wasn't there going so much to get into
a market. I was actually supporting a sister company. I
work for a Swiss company, and so I was there
to help them look at their go to market strategy
and their operations and so.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Are there different societal norms in business dealings in India?

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Yeah, I mean I worked in the medical device area,
where you're sort of bound by various codes of ethics
and so on. And probably the biggest societal normal was
it was quite normal to have a salesand incentive for
customers because we're a wholesale business where if you brought
its amount of products you got gold, which to me

(10:31):
was just a really weird thing.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
You've got gold like actual gold bars?

Speaker 6 (10:36):
Correct, just totally different.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
And how did you trade those? Were they're shops set
up to try and trade those in? Were there?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
All right?

Speaker 8 (10:44):
Well?

Speaker 6 (10:44):
They vout through a dealer or something. Unfortunately I need
got the gold. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I wonder what that is? Is that because gold is
such a secure, sort of guaranteed thing over there in
a slightly I guess more tumultuous financial situation, it.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
Could be that it could just be they dislike the bling.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, have you ever did you come back here and
bring that knowledge of you know, giving gold bonuses back
here and trying and hand out gold in New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (11:16):
They wouldn't really fly that.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
I like the idea of having some gold bullion, but yeah,
I don't know if you can spend that at the
supermarket that easy. So in terms of you know, this
idea of a free trade deal with India, clearly that
if we could get that across the line, or the
Prime Minister gets that across the line, that's incredibly beneficial
for the country. But what's your take on New Zealand
trying to get more of you know, trying to tap

(11:40):
into that market a bit more.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
Look, I think yeah, to be a huge opportunity. I
think the main thing is you just have to have
an open mind when you're dealing with people. Spend a
lot of time to understand how the people you're dealing
with in India actually work, how the market works, because
it is different and the distances are so vast nectually.

(12:04):
One thing that springs to mind as well that it
took me a while to get my head around unders
in India they talk about tier one, tier two, tier
three cities and tier one cities is like Gali, Mumbai
and so on and so that might be ten plus
million people. Tier three might be a city the size
of Auckland, and for our businesses doing business all around India,

(12:29):
they might not even by the focusing on a Tier
three city it's too small. So just the scale of
the market is totally different.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
So I wonder if that's an opportunity if you have
some product. I'm not sure what it would be. And
you know, we think Auckland's pretty big and special. That
you focus on cities that are being huge, cities that
are being forgotten internationally.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
Yeah, there could be. I mean I think you'd have
to find the right distribution partner who deals in those
environments for those cities.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
There, so someone there's a bunch of text saying here
that dishonesty is an issue in India in business dealings,
but you're saying that there's a there's a direct you
experience a directness and a sort of honesty in the
way things were dealt with.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
Yeah, I mean they always tried to give you the
answer they think you need. But I think you can
equally be quite honest about you know, this is what
you're looking for, this is what you're asking for, whatever,
and if they say, they say if they say no,
they say no. I was fortunate in that I wasn't

(13:41):
really dealing with well, I was dealing with people there
because we're all part of the same global company. There
were sort of other rules that we had to follow
as well, which drove honesty. So I didn't see so
much direct dealing indications of dishonest dealings in my time there.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
M hm, incredible. I mean, so you said you're working
for a Swedish company, is that right? That was Swiss company.
So we're there people on the ground that your company
had to make contact with, in relationships with to try
and help you smooth out those differences in doing business.

Speaker 9 (14:21):
No, not really, I mean.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
We in my case anyway, the people I was dealing
with that name for several years, meeting them at international meetings,
et cetera, so that relationship already existed. Dealing with customers
was a little bit different again, just dealing with those
cultural differences and sort of far more aggressive on the

(14:47):
business front when we're in a medical device industry that's
often more clinically focused.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
So yeah, one thing that New Zealand business people often
mess up is that we love a drink and so
we think that you know, you do you go through
a meeting and then afterwards it's get absolutely slammed with
the people and then make a relationship that seems different
in India? Is that is that a cultural difference?

Speaker 6 (15:13):
So love a whiskey, mate, good to know.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
All right, thank you so much for your call, Mike.
Well maybe we can export some alcohol over there. Wine yep,
we need them to know their tariffs on wine. It's
interesting like the difference.

Speaker 7 (15:25):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
I know some people that have come from America to
do business in New Zealand and one thing that they
noticed which was really different is that, according to them,
you know, in Australia or in America, you will get
a definite no, they'll just say no. But in New
Zealand people will just say yeah maybe maybe maybe. We
don't ever really want to say a definite no. Australians

(15:46):
are very good at saying nah nah, not interested, mate,
not interested. But Kiwis will go yeah maybe maybe, and
they'll just string you along because they don't really want
to say no.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Well I was going to say, do they like that?
But if it is just stringing you along because we're
too damn polite and we can't say.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well, that's not for us. That's what these guys were saying.
They were saying, you get strung along for ages. And
in this particular guy was in New Zealand for a
year before he realized that someone saying yeah doesn't mean yeah.
Probably half the time meth na in New Zealand. It's
a bad look for us. Kiwi's but I went under it.
Eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Love to hear from you if you've done business in India,
and if you're a recent migrant from India, love to
hear from you on the idea of a free trade
agreement and doing business in India, how it differs to
how we do business in New Zealand's Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I mean, even if you've been doing business in New
Zealand for a long time and you've come from India,
I'd love to hear the differences. Actually, the difference is
from people anywhere in the world that have come to
New zealand And, because you know, we think about other
cultures and how they do business, but we do things
pretty weird here as well.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, absolutely, I Waite hundred and eighty ten eighty. And
with the world, the stated is at the moment. Is
it that bad to try and diversify. You know, we've
got China, we've got the Year Wes, we've got Australia.
But to try and tap into some of these massive markets,
is that a strategy we should be putting one hundred
percent into love to hear from you, it is twenty
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Speaker 3 (17:49):
On the back of the Prime Minister heading to India
later this week to try and secure a free trade deal.
Have you done business in India and how do you
feel about the prospect of tapping into that market? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call.
Some great texts coming through on nine two, nine to two. Guys.
The India trade tential lamb wine, apples, primary products, seafood.

(18:15):
I mean that sounds good, but theairy is a massive
fish up there.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, it doesn't look very likely that would get any
kind of dairy. There's lots of small farms around there
that depend on it, so just flooding them with our
superior product seems unlikely. So what were those ones?

Speaker 3 (18:32):
That was kiwi fruit?

Speaker 10 (18:35):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Education, tourism, sheep meat and seafood.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, because that's the thing like when when someone comes
to study in New Zealand, that's seen as an export
because they bring money in here. So education is something
that we're selling to India. Mahish, welcome to the show.
You're from India originally.

Speaker 11 (18:54):
Well, I was born India.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
My early child was in Singapore.

Speaker 11 (18:57):
I came to New Zealand on my own. I was fourteen,
so been here a while.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
So you came here by your by yourself when you
were fourteen?

Speaker 7 (19:05):
Correct?

Speaker 12 (19:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
And what was that.

Speaker 9 (19:09):
Right?

Speaker 2 (19:09):
And you what you signed up to a school as
an international student?

Speaker 5 (19:14):
No, I was just homestaying sporting.

Speaker 11 (19:18):
So I grew up at the KIWI since I was young.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
But have been back to India multiple times and have
as have also worked there for a few months.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
And what do you think of the main difference is
when it comes to business between the two places.

Speaker 7 (19:32):
Yeah, so I think.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
I think what's really important to understand is you're talking
about an incredibly massive country, right like it's one point
four billion people. The way you want to think about
it is Europe like many different states, many different languages,
many different cultures, with generally a common story and a
common value system. The previous call, I talked about tier one,

(19:54):
tier two, tier three, and that kind of segmentation is
really important to understand. So when we talk about India,
you're actually talking about a certain demographic first or a
certain state first, and that's the way you want to
think about it. I think to appreciate is the rule
of law is nowhere close to Australia museums, right like,

(20:15):
so the how contracts would work, whether things are going
to be followed through on and signal reading in regards
to hey, what this person meant, what you see is
what you get is hard. So any business, museum business
that wants to have a crack at India has to
spend about two years paying cost on learning on how

(20:36):
to trade. But say you pay that cost, then it's
all upside. But that first two years it's gonna be
hard because you're gonna have to learn a lot. You're
gonna have to understand signals, you're gonna have to set
up relationships that have to go past contracts. But once
you do that, you're talking about a growth of six
to seven percent for the next ten to fifteen years,

(20:57):
which is going to be unreal. But you've got to
be willing to put in that two years.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
So that's so that's on the ground. So you have
to spend time there making the relationships face to face
over there.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Correct, correct, you have to really and and if you
spend time and it's it'll be there'll be all kinds
of things that happen, right like, So for example, I'll
give you this sort of an example, say someone comes
and just you know, you say you've got a car park,
You're an office car park something. If someone just some
thug just kind of stands for the car park, the police,
I'm gonna come around and sort it out. You're gonna
have to pay someone to sort it out.

Speaker 7 (21:30):
Right. That's a small.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Little example of many, many things you're gonna have to
work to navigate. And the best bridge for qv businesses
and kiwis going over the Indian diaspora here really happening
into and learning because I'm not Indian, like I trust me,
if I go there, I get I get eaten up,

(21:53):
no doubt. But if there are so many people who've
recently come and who are hungry and want to do
good and want to be a bridge should tap into them.
You look at the followers. You look at the followers
of all of our cricketers. Yeah, you look at Simon Dual,
Scott staris Rutchian, Russian's hot. So how do we use

(22:14):
the commonalities like the Indian diace break here, like the
cricketers extra TRC to act as a channel, as a bridge,
so that we can understand this huge growth engine that's
going to keep going for the next ten to fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, that's an interesting point because when I've been in India,
I've been amazed that had the high profile that New
Zealand has over there just because of cricket. Because we're,
you know, one of the nations. We've upset them a
few times. Not at the end of the Champions Trophy
they beat us, but they know our players. Their players
have been superstars in the IPL and of course beas
McCullum was the first massive superstar in the IPL. So

(22:49):
that would mean as opposed to a normal nation of
five million as a as a brand New Zealand is
no one across India. Would you say that's yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:00):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
Let me give you an example. Say we have an hcast
service provider that wants to move into India and we
could provide a high end each service.

Speaker 7 (23:11):
Because this business in New Zealand has.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
Worked it out and they want to have a crack,
So they use one of our cricketers to just open
up in US in a high profile state and Tier
one state and just get it going and you pay
costs right for the first two years. After a while,
the market just takes care of itself.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, all right, thanks so much for you call.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Great to chat with you. I mean that whraraises a question,
why isn't Christopher lux and taking over some of our
best cricketers Richard Headley. I know he's getting a bit
old now.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
But he could go over. No one remembers Richard Headley,
Stephen Fleming. It was Stephen Flemings that it's incredibly successful
IPL coach, the most successful OPL coach of all time. Yeah,
he's also very cashed up and I don't know if
he wants to be a trade delegate, but but I
think I think you're you're right. I mean, actually we've

(23:58):
got to go to the news here, but i'll sort
of tell you a little story about my experience with
New Zealand cricketers when I was over in India. And
it's pretty pretty amazing how well they're knowing over there.

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Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we are talking about
doing business in India on the back of the Prime
Minister's Trade delegation two India to try and secure a
free trade deal, and.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Look, I want an apology from you, Tyler for a
lack of research.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
I've got to eat some humble pie here.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
So apparently there you were before, there you were before, Tyler,
let me finish, let me finish, go go before saying
they should take a cricketer over there for some as
a delicate. Yeah, I thought it to be a good idea,
as a delicate. I'm hassling you and I've said a
delicate instead of a delegate. And if you would listen
to news talks he'd been news Tyler, you would know

(26:07):
they're taking Ross Taylor here.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
So apparently Luxon.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Is taking Ross Taylor with them to India, U muppets,
listen to your own news boys. Luxon is taking Ross
on the trade trip. Ross is one of the delegates.
Just so you know Luxon is taking Ross. Guys, you
need to listen to ZEBG news. Bugger, wrong guy. They
should have taken someone that did better in the IP.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
It's a good ticke.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Okay, that's the point. We'll fight back with that. Yeah,
Ross Taylor, I mean fantastic, one of our greatest batsman's
of all time. Absolutely love Ross Taylor. H but he
got paid a lot for the IPL and didn't didn't
make a lot of runs over there. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
In my defense when Dame three Swalsh was saying that
to Mike Coskeen, I was busy walking the dog or
something else a.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Lot more fun, no head of my heart right, yeah, yeah,
you can listen to you can You should be listening
to news. He'd be twenty four seven when you're not
on here.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I do that after the shape when I'm cooking tea. Yeah,
but thank you very much, Ross Taylor. They know what
they're doing, clearly, they know what they're doing. They're taking
a pretty good cricketer. But love to hear your thoughts
on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Just before we
go back to the phones, you mentioned you wanted to
pick up something that happened to you when you went
to India.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Oh yeah, that's right. So just just how hugely famous
the players are over there. But it was an also thing.
So I was staying in Bengaluru and I was staying
at the Ritz Bangalore with the Royal Challenges Bangalore. One
point I got up in the morning for a swim.
I guess he was the only other person in the
Infinity pool I swimming with. It wasn't an infinity pool.
It was like a pool with a with a waterfall

(27:40):
coming out, very colic, just me and him.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Oh was it?

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Actually it was?

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Did he say hello?

Speaker 2 (27:44):
No, he was miles at the other end of the pool.
I sort of swum over to say hello, and then
he sort of swum off. He was he was taking
selfies of himself on the phone.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
He's a good looking man.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
But anyway, the players basically couldn't leave the New Zealand players.
There was Brendan McCullum there, and there was Tim Sourthy,
and there was Daniel Vittoria as the coach at that point,
and Cory Anderson. They basically couldn't leave the hotel because
they were such superstars there. So absolutely makes sense. And
you turn on the television, You've got five channels of
Danny Danny Morrison commentating cricket. He's a big star over there,

(28:15):
so Stephen Fleming. So it's a huge thing. But I'll
tell you what we we I met someone over there,
an Indian guy who's you know, like you ended up
hanging out in the widest circle of things, was staying
in the hotel as well, and he could not believe
our access to the New Zealand players, because the New
Zealand players, you know, we're a country of five million,
They're going to talk to anyone.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
We ended up hanging out having dinner with them and
you know, having a few beers with them, and this
guy was like, oh my god, I'm you know, I'm
basically like, by God's here. And so anyway, he ended
up getting their numbers somehow, finding out their room numbers
and started just haranguing them because because for him it
was like, this is a business opportunity. I've met these people.
It's one once in a lifetime opportunity. That's that might

(28:59):
be going back to Mike school before about how hungry
people are over there. We're as we're casual. We're like,
you know, hang out with best mcallum. We don't try
and run organize a business deal with them at the time.
We just we just get dangerously drunk.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
It's hard to comprehend, isn't it right? Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. We'll take a place of messages
because we're horribly late, but when we come back, we'll
take more of your phone calls. It is nineteen to two.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
everything in between. Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo
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Speaker 3 (29:35):
There'd be good afternoon and we're talking about doing business
and India on the back of hopefully our Prime minister
securing a free trade deal. Looks unlikely, but he's going
back to India and meeting with the Prime Minister Mody
to try and get it across the line.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Unless he's reaching out, and I think it's greatly tacking.
Ross Taylor. Yeah, fantastic best But that was a great
right hand man.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
A thank you to the hundreds of ticks that said
Tyler Y'm up, he's taken Ross Daley. Yeah, message receive.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Welcome to the show, Navin. Your thoughts on doing business
with India.

Speaker 14 (30:06):
Oh, yes, I have been in New Zealand the last
twenty years. I'm basically I'm from Bangalore. Yeah, I worked
with New Zealand cricketers. We go on trying local schools
in a summer camps. It's a really big and a
massive attraction for Indian schools. They do like it's a

(30:26):
marketing and sales. And if you come back to the
trading between two countries, it's a really really good opportunity
where the food food the main food main like like
a lamb and they have apple New Zealand apples and
Kiwi food. There is a lot of demand. I have
got heaps of inquiries every time. Presently I'm working with
the New Zealand pinewood palettes are highly demanding back in

(30:50):
India because in India wood is not they are not
ready to use in a local good which a government
is banned. I have a lot of Deman working on
that with a few cricketers as well as the palettes
exporting to India. It's a lot of demn right.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
So you're working as a bridge because you know both
both countries. You know how both countries work.

Speaker 14 (31:11):
Yeah, it's a it's a it's a different culture. But
as somebody mentioned in earlier in the call, you have
to be there, work with the face to face, do
some like legal agreement. That is the way you can
deal with Their definitely very friendly, they know very well
what about New Zealand. Their low New Zealand. You have

(31:33):
to be there physically to deal the business well.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
How do you think it would go if you were
just a New Zealander like me growing up in Dunedan
uh and then just got on a plane over there
and tried to sit up over there. How well do
you think I would go? Would be better for me
to make have a relationship with someone like you before
I went?

Speaker 14 (31:51):
Yes, yes, that's yeasy, Because you should know whom you
do deal and what to deal exactly, what is the protocols?
You should know that.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
In terms of sorry, carry on navin well in terms
of in terms of the big trading partners that India
currently trade with, who are they do you know?

Speaker 14 (32:14):
Oh see it's a it's a kind of a secret.
So many cricketers they have a big business deals between
them here and there, Indian crickets, most of them hype
and superstars and the existing it and superstars in the
New Zealand they have their own saying off business links,
you know, explording a lot of meat, water and Kiwi

(32:36):
food apples, you know, New Zealand, Lamb. It's a lot
of opportunities and.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
What would you say would be if there if there
was one major easquette or you know, sort of difference
when it comes to business in India as opposed to
business in New Zealand. Is is it one one tip
that you'd give for people that were we're trying to
create a business relationship with someone in India, So finding.

Speaker 14 (33:03):
It is like finding a person here or there as
a bridge and the finding the provide people to deal
over there and here.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, all right, thank you so much Narvin, for you
to appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
So Pinewood, they love our pinewood at the moment, by
the sounds of it that they was at the process Timber,
I think Narvin said that it was better to export
our pine over to India than it was for them
to process it.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Well, there's huge. He was also mentioning apples, so they've
got quite big tariffs on our apple imports at the moment.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, get rid of those sweats.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Let's get some apples over there here.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
Ca.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Oh, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
call love to hear your experiences or thoughts about doing
business in India. Nine to ninety two is the text number.
It is twelve to two.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
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and eighty ten eighty. Matt and Taylor afternoons with the
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Speaker 3 (34:04):
EDB news talks. They'd be very good afternoon, and we're
talking about doing business in India on the back of
the trade delegation heading to the subcontinents in five days time,
led by a Prime Minister of course, and he's got
Ross Taylor with him.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yes. So if we get more business going with India
and we get access to that market, how do we
actually go about it? What are the differences between doing
business in New Zealand and doing businesses business in India?

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yep, Karam, how.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Are you good?

Speaker 12 (34:34):
Good?

Speaker 8 (34:35):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
How are you going very good? Now you've been here
for twenty years? But what's your take on doing business
in India and whether we can get a foothold in
the country.

Speaker 9 (34:45):
Yeah, I think it's possible. I think it's the high
value you know, items like like I travel you know
quite a lot too, you know, like other parts of
Asia like Thailand for example, you know, or you've got
to the Middle East like Dubai. So you see a
lot of meat, you know, like lamb and whatever. You
see a lot of new Zealand. You know, Australian meat

(35:06):
over there. Looking in the meat itself, similar to Thailand.
It's not a very good quality the domestic ones, right,
So I think, yeah, I mean, we can't penetrate into
entire Indian market. It will be you know, like say,
you know, the like extensive like high end sort of
dining sort of places and things like that, so it

(35:29):
would be a targeted Yeah. I mean, kivy fruit is
everywhere in India, you know, it's all over the world now,
so kiv we've already done it with kiv fruit. But
I think meat would be a very high even though
Indian like, you know, a lot of people think it's
like full of veget areas or whatever.

Speaker 13 (35:45):
You know.

Speaker 9 (35:47):
I come from Bangalore, so you know, I know, you
guys have been talking about Bangalora and all that, so
it's a yeah. I mean, in the South, we're not
really much into the drinking culture. Like in the north,
it's more common because it gets colder up there and
you know, but in the south, even though it's like hot,
black people are not even into like drinking beer and
things like that, you know, not much. So I don't

(36:11):
know about alcohol if it would really work.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
But is it much wine drunken India?

Speaker 9 (36:19):
Not where I come from, Like in the south and
in Bangalore, it's not very common. Like you know, it's
seems to be more common up north, like you know,
the more you go towards Delhi and you know, all
those kind of places. But in the South it's not
common at all. And even in business meetings and things
like that, I don't think it would really be appropriate

(36:40):
to you know, sug style, let's just go out for
a drink sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
You know, how often do you get back over there?
And how much is it changing? So you've been here
for twenty years, so how much has it changed in
that twenty years? Is it becoming more effulent? Is there
more business opportunities that you can see?

Speaker 12 (36:54):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (36:55):
Yes, yes, I mean even after COVID. So this is
the interesting thing. After COVID, I went just and had
a look and it was just just transformed, you know,
like you know, we all know what happened and during
COVID in India, and I was really curious as like, okay,
let's go and have a look. And just after a
year or two, there were so many businesses opening everywhere,
and it was just absolutely amazing. And again I'm not

(37:17):
being biased. I went to Thailand and Dubai and all
those places after COVID they were still struggling, you know,
They're not getting the same number of tourists and a
lot of businesses were shut down. But India, for some reason,
it just like absolutely transformed. You know, they've they've faced
it head on and I don't know whatever they did,
it just it's just come out really well after the pandemic.

(37:41):
And there's not many countries that have, you know, I
mean even China is struggling, you know, So I mean,
if we can do it business in China, I mean,
India should be easier, to be honest, because of the
English and cricket and you know, and you know there's
lots of common ground, you know, not being part of
kind of the Commonwealth and things like that.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
So yeah, common ground, Yeah, I mean certainly, you know,
I think we most of us would agree that if
we can get some sort of free trade deal or
tap more into that market, that is hugely beneficial for
New Zealand. But it's how we do that. And as
you say, India as fast developing, if we can get
in on the ground floor and and join up with
those those trade agreements. Then surely that is good for

(38:26):
all them.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I mean a good start would be direct flights to
India because it's actually you'll back me up on this
is actually quite a punishing route to get to India,
isn't it.

Speaker 9 (38:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (38:38):
Exactly? Oh?

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Sorry, am I still yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a
question for you.

Speaker 9 (38:42):
Yes, yes, I mean, I mean I'm personally I'm not
a very big fan of be on long flights. I'd
still break up my trip, but yet it would be
great to have direct flights.

Speaker 15 (38:52):
You know.

Speaker 9 (38:53):
I think it's coming, like you know, they've been talking
about it. Yeah, it's something happened.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
You know, there's been talking about it for a while,
haven't they. But yeah, they can't don't have the trains
for it.

Speaker 9 (39:02):
Yeah, or here India probably would, you know, because they're
pretty much goes to Australia. So yeah, I mean, there's
there's lots of options. And I don't know what I mean.
With China, we kind of got on really early, like
we were one of the first countries to do it,
so I'm really surprised and the resistance could be coming
from India side as well as we always know, like
Farmer's Giry all of that. There's lots of issues, but

(39:26):
I'm sure we can, you know, still make a deal.
You know, there's there's lots of opportunities because Bollywood is
really big, you know, and like Indian film industry has
like they've always come to New Zealand and they've shot
a lot of movies here, you know, and a lot
of Kiwis are not aware of it.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, carm Yeah,
very Bollywood films being shot here.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Absolutely, yep. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number of call. We're going to carry this on after
two o'clock because there's a lot of people who want
to have chat about this. But keen to hear your thoughts.
Have you done business in India? Should we be trying
to tamp into that market? More love to hear from you, newss.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Next talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
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Speaker 3 (40:11):
Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. Six past two. Well,
so many people wanted to have a chat about doing
business in India that we had no choice but to
carry it on. It's been a great discussion, full.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Lines in an exploding text machine.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Absolutely, but keen to hear from you, oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. If you can't get through, keep trying.
But a heck of a lot of texts have come
through on nine two ninety two like this one. Guys.
It is a massive market worth a considerable middle class,
very very competitive and a lot of competition for everything.
We've got to be there.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, so that's an interesting one. I'll actually I've actually
got this article from BBC that I'll read a little
bit about that huge market thing. Why went we there
years ago? Says this text on nine two nine two.
India only wants one thing from New Zealand, that is
our residential property, says Rob Yep.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Now, just to that previous text, why went we there?
Years ago?

Speaker 10 (41:04):
So?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
New Zealand and India previously entered into free trade agreenment
negotiations in April twenty ten. Those negotiations fell apart, so
the last round of negotiations, the tenth round, occurred in
Delhi in twenty fifteen, and at this stage there are
still no formal negotiations taking place until now, so Christopher
lux and our Prime minister is picking that back up

(41:26):
when he meets with Prime Minister Modi twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
So we've let it slip for ten years. Yeah, that
is a decade.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
It's a long time to just let things sit idle
and clearly with the size of that market, and as
the Prime Minister said, he is disappointed that our export
to India only accounts for one point five percent. That
is a missed opportunity.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Good on Christopher Luxem's trying, but he has zero chance
of securing a trade agreement this time round. Dairy industry
is sticking point as local farmers there will resist us
pushing our product into their country. Craig, Yeah, I mean,
but last thing we might not get at this time.
But we've got to keep working on it. But yeah,
I mean, Deary, I imagine Dariy will be out of
it no matter what if we do.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah, And I think there's always things off the table
with free trade.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
A greatment that's always off the table with New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yeah, we can just roll that outcross that out of
the agreed and start at that.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Point better quality and we can make a lot of
it very efficiently and a much more environmentally friendly manner
than anyone else in the country. It's grass fed, the
cows aren't inside all the time, so you know, we
just kick ass and dairy. So it's a compliment that
they don't want us exactly, but people keep on sticking
on our dairy unfortunate though.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah, take pride in that, even though it is very
annoying for us and for our dairy farmers.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Bollywood, we need to get Bollywood movies shot here and
do product placement in the movies like WHATK Chocolates? Yeah,
good call, I mean absolutely get some Bollywood movies shot
over here.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Huge industry yep. So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. NICKI good afternoon to you.
Hi there, Hell, are you very good? What's your take
on doing business in India?

Speaker 16 (43:06):
Well, my appearance Ran moved to India in the late
nineteen nineties through Fletcher Building and randomly they foresaw i
think the technology boom that was going to happen up there,
and so they moved into Bangalore and set up concrete plants,
basically building out the technology parks up there. So I've

(43:29):
been sort of going up and back to India for
the last twenty five years and had seen enormous change
and have been banging on for a long time that
this is where our future trading's got to be. You
can't underestimate the absolute size of the population. And I

(43:50):
think one of the biggest things I've noticed over the
twenty years is that off the back of the technology industry,
the Indians are very, very educated. They all children basically
go to school six days a week. They're very focused
on education and there's a massive or wealth up there
now that's been built off that, and they love now

(44:13):
they're connected through technology. Even people I was up in
Mumbai last week, even people in the slums have got
cell phones, so they're connected to the world. They want
the products, they love kiweeds, and actually they're traveling a
lot more around the world. So you know, alongside the

(44:34):
trade deal, I think if the New Zealand can get
some direct flights up there, there's massive bonuses for they
getting tourism up and back into New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Was that quite a bad yeah, sorry to jump in there, Nikki.
Was that quite a big thing for your parents to
go over to India to try and set up business
that must have been you know, there must have been
some challenges in front of them.

Speaker 16 (44:56):
Oh, it was the wild West in the late nineties.
Everyone thought they were absolutely nuts for dying up there.
In fact, I was the only person out of all
their family and friends that ever went to visit. It
was wild I remember, you know, Dad telling stories about
I mean, back in those days, you would literally have

(45:16):
to bribe people to get stuff done. It was just
how business was done back then. But you know, they
built relationships the cricket Even back then, Dad, you know,
would go and sit in his young cricket team when
they were in Bangalore, and you know, build those relationships.

(45:37):
You're very social people. Funnily enough, flecking out talking about
the guy that was talking about alcohol up there. I
just took a group of nine girlfriends up who are
all first time is and sort of as a bit
of a tour. And you know, twenty years ago when
mum lived there, she couldn't get wine. Basically it was impossible. Now,

(46:01):
you know, most restaurants have got small amount of wine.
It's hugely expensive, massive taxes, but there's a massive market
up there. They are starting to drink more wine and
get beyond the traditional just Kingfisher or whiskey. They love spirits,
but that whole market is massive. If we can tappen

(46:23):
even a little bit. Yeah, it's insane. To give you
a perspective of like Mumbai, or went to Queen Victory
Station last week, which is the main train station. They
have ten million people come through that station every single day,
come and to.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Work twice the population.

Speaker 16 (46:42):
Yeah, it's it's insane the amounts people. But they are consumers.
They love stuff. I think we need to go for
it as hard as we can. Very probably is going
to have to wait. But having said that, they don't
drink a lot of cow's milk, the Hindos, so they
tend to have buffalo milk. So we have to think,

(47:03):
you know, strategically through there.

Speaker 17 (47:05):
But your parents must have if you don't mind me asking,
They must have done pretty well getting into concrete over
the cement over there in the late nineties, because you
know famous famous concrete billionaires in India.

Speaker 16 (47:21):
Well, yes, although it was fle Dad was working for
Fleas and so they had I don't know how it
came about, but Fletcher's decided to go into Fiji, South America.
I think so Peru and India, and as it turned out,
mum dirting it up in India. They ended up selling

(47:43):
out in the long run up there, but I think
they did get you know, FIUs did pretty well out
of it at the time. But it was interesting they
had that vision right back then.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Well, thank you so much for our calling, Nicky. Great
to hear that, great insights. Yeah, those Indian cement billionaires,
Danni and Burla, they're going at it. They've been going
at it for a while on.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Yeah, they would have sold a lot of comm crete
over the past what thirty five years, because India has
absolutely exploded in terms of development. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two ninety
two is the text number. It is quarter past two.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, and coming up next, I want to tell you
exactly how many because we say this one point four
billion people in India, but how many of them have
actually got any money to spend for us to sell
stuff too? All right, I've got the figures.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
All right, this is going to be gods that is
coming up quarter past two.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
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Speaker 4 (48:45):
Call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk, say'd be.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Good afternoon. What is it like doing business in India?
That's the question we've asked on the bank of the
Prime Minister and a delegation of business people. And it
appears some sports people as well heading to India on
Saturday to try and secure a free trade deal.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, that's right. Ros Taylor's going over man.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, he's got great cricket Bos Taylor. He's gonna make
a difference.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
This is interesting, you know, keep talking about India being
a market of one point four billion, and this from
the BBC last week. India is home to one point
four billion people, but around a billion lack money to
spend on any discretionary goods or services. New report estimates
the country's consuming class. Effectively, the potential market for startups
or business owners is only about as big as Mexico

(49:29):
one hundred and forty million people, according to report by
bloom Ventures, a venture capital firm. Another three hundred million
are emerging or aspirant customers, but they are reluctant spenders
who have only just begun to open their purse strings
as a click of a button. Digital payments make it
easier to transact, So there you go. I mean, there

(49:49):
is one point four billion people, but according to this
one billion them don't have the money to spend.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
But that still leaves potentially three hundred million that have
got a bit of discretionary spend.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Well, according to this one hundred and forty million people.
Oh okay, but you don't turn your nose up to
one hundred and forty million people. No, how many times
a population in New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Is that about?

Speaker 7 (50:08):
You know?

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Fifty Henry, how are here this afternight?

Speaker 8 (50:12):
Thank Jordan, I'm really good. He I first went in
there forty years ago and I've been considerately going going there.
So while I wasn't doing economic and financial business, it's
been involved in you know, actual multilectrol aid and diplomacy.
So I kind of am often asked to give a
description about the transition of India. The last said yes,
but X wanted to write New Zealanders yep, because New

(50:34):
Zealand's an unusual place. You know, we were gathered as
having amongst the most corruptory judiciary and governments, and people
think this country is corrupt, you need to go to
a lot of the one hundred and fifty other Third Board
developing countries as well as developed countries to see how
clean as it is here. So you're always going to
get corruption everywhere you go, but it's not the kind
of corruption that we see on television. It's not kind

(50:55):
of American style stuff. There's a slow level stuff. Things
get done through backhands, big buildings to get done through
all these shortcuts that happen. So that's the way the
world really works. And we are in this incredible ecosystem
that is New zeal We're moderate with the center of order.
We're nice. No one hates us. When it gets to
playing business. We're not seeing as thing as aggressive. But

(51:16):
actually what we're really selling outside of the commodities, we're
selling integrity. And that's what New Zealand sells, the kind
of things we like to think about ourselves as. And
so you can tell that India, I've watched it change
and you can see and by the way, it's easy
way to describe one in six humans of in India,
and you're quite right. India is a third World developing
country with poverty, deprivation, and opulence and wealth. But unlike

(51:41):
anything anyone's ever going to and I say every New
Zealander should go to India and going in an election
year where it's crazy as and so all of these
things make up So what it is about. It's not
just the quality of our stuff. The market is being
compared to us. And you know, I've been watching the
barometers in India. So the barometers are when they started
to put the airports in twenty years ago, they still

(52:03):
have the outside toilets with holes in the floor. And
interesting the other barometers they bought two hundred are Indi.
You Bot two hundred and fifty wide body aircraft, the
biggest purchase in the history of aviation a couple of
years ago. They also make warships and they buy the
armaments from both the Russians and the West the security

(52:23):
of that area, So us going in there, our gift
is what we do with New Zealanders. And yes they
will try and get a sale across the line and
all of those things, and we need to just make
sure that that's what we're doing. And it's all about
the relationship and key with the excellent at developing relationships.
So the New Zealand psyche is what our commodity is Oh, that's.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Great, and integrity must be worth a lot in that market,
well any market for that matter, but particularly a market
like India. We can be trusted.

Speaker 10 (52:52):
That's what we do.

Speaker 8 (52:53):
We do well our high in commodities. But what we're
really doing is we're honored compared to most other players
in the market, including those in challenging economies and challenging
places like India, which is an incredible paradox.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
I know what you're saying about elections over there. I
was over in Bengaluru when the Kinnarctica elections were on,
you know, the province, and that it was insane the
intensity of the coverage. It made Fox News, CNN, everything
happened in America feel tame. A cricket game that were
supposed to go to was had to be moved because

(53:27):
there were protests and threats going on. It was in tense,
bad it.

Speaker 8 (53:33):
Was so Tremode's job is to create better infrastructure in India.
That's that's what he's charged with doing. He's also charged
with keeping it calm. So in the last three elections
that he's won since nineteen forty eight, less people have
died a month either side of the election. In the
history of modern India in the last three elections. So

(53:54):
he's providing another calmness, right and also so that gives
confidence to the West to go in and actually make
other con concessions. His other job is to not Bombki's done.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, good, that's probably well those things, thank you, cool, Henry.
You talk about that wealth disparity and you know those
things that you see, you know, one of the most
stark things, one of the most shocking things in a
way or just I guess metaphoric. I don't know what
you call it, but it's it were just there was
a car dealership selling Lamborghinis and then to get onto

(54:28):
the street went over a grate that covered a sewer,
so you had an open sort of sewer or drainage
that the footpath was made out of with a bunch
of metal. Very cool. But then there's a Lamborghini dealership,
so you would drive that Lamborghini over that great out
into the intense traffic. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
It's quite a confronting enoughgy, isn't.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
It's a juxtaposition. I'll tell you what. It's a juxtaposition
of wealth and poverty.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Right, Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is twenty four.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Past two, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on used good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
So you've been thinking about a new Volvo suv and a.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Lot of you will say that's a bold choice in
the crowded suv market.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Bear with me, Tyler, Well, can I just say that
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I can honestly say why wouldn't you choose the Volvo
XC ninety.

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adjusts the ride height and shock absorbers.

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I reckon. You need to visit Volvo cars and see
why the Volvo XC ninety is the suv for right now.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
News Talk Zibby and.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
We are talking about doing business in India on the
back of the train delicate delegation heading to India on Saturday,
led by the Prime Minister of course, who's got Ross
Taylor with him. He's got Dame. I've got to keep
saying that. It seems I've got about a one hundred
ticks saying Tyler, you up, but don't you listen to
my costcar.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Because that's because you said, and I quote, they should
take Richard Hadley or something, someone that they know from cricket.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
He's one of our greats. And yeah, granted Richard was
a superstar a long time.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
They're all onto that, and they took a more recent one. Yeah,
I'm not going to hear a bad word about paddles. Yeah, absolutely,
sir Richard.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
I've got to say as well, because oh yeah, how
dare I not say, Sir Richard.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Great New Zealander. Absolutely, Ross Taylor is as well. The
sex is there are eighty five percent growth of millionaires
between twenty thirteen and twenty twenty three. Yeah, So what
I was saying before about about one hundred and thirty
one hundred and forty million people according to bloom Ventures,
an other potential market with people at the money to spend. Basically,
what they're saying is that Indian's wealthy population is not

(57:12):
growing in numbers, but is growing considerably in wealth, right,
so that those that are getting wealthy are getting much
more wealthy. But those numbers of wealthy aren't necessary growing.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
If you see what the millionaires the are getting richer effectively.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yeah, the millionaires one hundred, one hundred thousand years. Yeah,
that's what That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighties to the number of
called get a Dylan good day.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Now, your thoughts on business with India, Well.

Speaker 18 (57:42):
Markets are good, right, I mean I don't necessarily because
of the R and the C in the acronym, I
don't think I necessarily share the extent of Mayor Brown's
enthusiasm about bricks. But I do think having access to
a larger market like that, and I heard you guys
talking about the numbers now, it would give us more

(58:02):
options because I mean, at the moment with the CEA
in the bricks conversation, we've stuck with the opposing policies.
On the one hand, you've got defense and foreign policy
versus economic policy, you know, and that's a bit of
a cash twenty too. We're playing policy twister at the moment,
trying to appease all sides. And that's just with China.
And on the other hand, you've got all of our

(58:23):
other ex World War two allies with the strength of
spine to be able to condemn certain foreign policy decisions
from the orangeineerer on the other side of the ocean.
And we're too afraid, purely because we had sixteen point
four billion dollars worth of exports of goods and services
in twenty twenty four to the US, and we did

(58:43):
more than twenty one with China. So if we can
open up another market, it might give us the stones
we need to be able to say no, bra you
can't do that. When it comes to Ukraine or when
it comes to tariffs and things like that, we might
not care as much. So I think having more customers
is always a good thing.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
And in terms of those about termin eggs in one
basket situation that we often talk about, we keep doing it.
We keep all eggs, We keep moving all our eggs
to from baskets, and just.

Speaker 18 (59:11):
We should be selling our X to the States because
I mean they're making a fortune at the moment.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Well yeah, I mean you mentioned those emerging economies and
as you called it, bricks there. But of those Brazil, Russia, India, China,
and South Africa, we already do business with China. India
seems the knicks beast choice right, Well, exactly, And I
mean the thing is, I mean some.

Speaker 19 (59:31):
Of those some of those letters in the alphabet might
believe a bit of a bad taste ethically, whatever the
case is. But you know, Africa, and again we look
at places like emerging markets and we think, wow, well
there's no money there, you know, but they've got economies
of scale.

Speaker 18 (59:46):
Your source pointed out, you've got more than a billion people,
even if it's on new zero point one percent of millionaires.
Look at the size, look at the size of the
middle to aft of classes looking to consume our goods
and services. And you've got Africa, You've got India, you've
got South America. There's a lot of customers out there. Yeah,
so these are not bad things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Yeah, and you know, you talk about ethically. And look,
there's some questions around us right now, of course, but
India is a democracy. It's the world's biggest democracy, and
we do prefer to do business with democracies.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:00:16):
Well, I mean, I mean, I don't know if you
saw that that speech by that one hundred plus year
old Canadian guy at the Labor conference. I mean, he's
been attending it for what is it sixty five years?
He said it's he sixty fifth attendance or something like that. Yeah,
but I mean when that guy spoke, he had the
strength strength of spine to say that there are certain

(01:00:38):
things that we just cannot ignore. You can't just excuse
things because you're making money from a conversation. I mean
that's blood money, that's bad money. And when you start
having conversations about you know, the cashogis of the world
being flung from hotels and things like that, how does
one sleep at night? Where one spends one's money. You
have to know your pocketbook kind of you know, communicates

(01:00:59):
what your ethics are. And I think we're better than that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, sometimes sometimes we just hold our
noses and take the money.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yeah, that is the world. Sometimes, Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you
want to take through nine to nine too. You're more
than welcome. We'll get to a few of those sex
very shortly. It is twenty eight to.

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Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Thank you very much, Raylean. We're talking about doing business
and India on the back of the trade delegation that
is heading to the subcontinent in about five days time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Yeah, so if you've done business in India, what do
you need to know? What are the challenges and what
can we sell them and that wants can we give
them sell them because currently we're running a deficit with them.
In the December twenty two, twenty four court in New
Zealand exported three hundred and eighty three million dollars of

(01:03:12):
total goods and services imported four hundred and thirty two
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Yeah, And as we mentioned a little bit earlier, we've
given the Free Trade Agreement a few cranks the first
and twenty ten and then picked up negotiations in twenty fifteen.
It appears dairy was the FICIALOK in those negotiations, so
they didn't progress. But Christopher Luxen's going to give it
another crack.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yeah, they make a hell of a lot of dairy. Yeah,
there's a lot of little farmers there that would not
be happy if we just flooded their market with our
superior quality dairy. We do dairy well here this Texas
is corruption is corruption, you knuckle, there's no difference. Look,
I don't know. I think there's all kinds of difference
of corruption. What you're responding to is someone is saying
there's little bits of corruption, like little backhand is to

(01:03:56):
get someone to do something like a little bit of
a little bit of a cashier, a little bit of
there there. That's that's sort of load level corruption. Yeah,
cashis and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
And then this corruption that goes right to the top
of governmental corruption. Corruption is a cruption.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
There are tears of corruption.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
This huge chairs of coruption. Yeah, you know, there's paying
your babysitter under the table, and then this watergate. Yeah,
you know, allthough, as I see it on Friday question
everything after I heard Bill Murray's insight into Bob Wooward's
book on John Belushi.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Yeah, he absolutely slammed Hi, didn't they? And fair enough too?
If you watch those comments in that interview, Yeah you think, yeah,
fair enough, Bill Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
You say, Bob Woodard, this guy that's so celebrated as
this incredible journalist but actually did an absolute hatchet job
and didn't do his research properly. And someone who's best
friends with John Belus, She was like, this book is
absolutely rubbish and that makes you question absolutely everything he does.
And you notice that, don't you. When something comes into
your sphere of knowledge, you often notice that what you're
hearing is rubbish and then you go, well, is everything

(01:05:00):
I'm hearing rubbish because my sphere of knowledge is very narrow?

Speaker 10 (01:05:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Yeah, I mean you've got to be able to trust
that the sources are close to the X person they're
riding about. Was a deep throat that was there, that
was the name? Was it controversial?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Question everything? Nanayamahuta say no more. Previous foreign minister was hopeless.
I remember once some Peter's knocking her for not getting
out and about and getting some more trade deals. Yeah,
she didn't seem to travel as much as Winnie does.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Yep, guys, hopefully Christopher Luxen takes Bishop and Willis with
him and don't come back. They might find a job
over there that wasn't very happy with.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
So you want us to export Bishop and Willis. You know,
I'm not sure if that it's going to offset this
current deficit of three hundred and eighty three million to
four hundred and thirty two million in the twenty twenty
four December quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
How much do you get for a finance minister in India?

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
India have a disgusting reputation for pollution, not CO two
rubbish trashing rivers, and China will spend billions at the
Paris Climb and the Cord Well, they keep dumping in rivers.
But we agreed so greedy that we want the money.
That is crazy. Yeah, what we like to do is
make rules to make it difficult for ourselves here at Greenwise,
and then we just outsauce all the CO two to

(01:06:15):
other countries and then we'll import that stuff to New
Zealand making no difference, then pat ourselves on the back.
That's that's the current system that we're running here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
And we've got a free trade agreement with China. So
if you want to talk about environmental ethics, we are
still doing a heck of a lot of trade with China.
Keep those teaks coming through. On nine two, niney two.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
A bottle of Cloudy Bay is around one hundred and
sixty dollars in a hotel. There is also a rule
of it it can be made in India, then you
have to buy local. Why may sales have been stopped
being a manufacturer, Rod, I read that text. I think
I get what he's trying to say there. But yeah,
so there's there's certain rules about if you can buy
it in India, then then you should bite overseas stuff

(01:06:54):
that's imported. Vickim welcome to the show. Yeah, hi, hi, Hey,
your thoughts on doing business with India?

Speaker 12 (01:07:04):
Yeah, plus all. I think, yes, we should be doing
business with one point five BILLI large consumer market. But
what are we going to do about it? How are
you going to approach it? A few months ago I
heard on your radio there was a person who had
come and was the first part of the panel in
Luckson's government, I don't remember the name, was talking about

(01:07:27):
exporting beef to India. Yep, right, And discussion went on
about beef. That's an absolute no, no, no, you can't.
People don't eat beefy. They've banned beef in India, so
I believe the panel shouldn't be going there and talking
about selling beef in India. Now, what we have terms

(01:07:48):
of opportunity is is our lamb our. Lamb is fantastic.
Wherever you serve lamb and people come overseas at home,
they just love it, right, And that's the opportunity there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
I think.

Speaker 12 (01:08:00):
Secondly, there's a lot of disruption happening with mister Trump
going about throwing tarists at everyone, so everyone is looking
at alternate marks, right. A lot of other countries will
look at India. India will start looking at other countries
what they get soce from. So that's another opportunity for
us as a country to go there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I say a lot of lamb production as too much
lamb production in India.

Speaker 12 (01:08:22):
The thing is, I left India in nineteen ninety nine, right,
I'm here since two thousand and five thousand in the
Middle East. If you look at that region, Middle East
and including India, that's the places I've been. Goat is
very popular, right, I've been eating goat far right through
my childhood and to my you know, right up to

(01:08:45):
nineteen ninety nine. But when I continue to see this,
I said, I went to shops buy coat and never
bought lambs. And then someone said, why don't you try
the lamb? After that, I've never gone to goat. I
only eat these lab right, So if you don't, if
you don't know, you don't know right unless you eat it.
So what I'm trying to say is that beef is

(01:09:07):
a known or please please please make sure you go
with the right people with the right approach. People is
a non of and their alternate is a fantastic thing
is the lamb. I'll give a classic example. I was
there probably ten years ago, and I traveled after ten years,
India's buying power in terms of the people has phenomenally

(01:09:29):
gone high. You only see four wheek cars on the
road and was on the day where you know, a
motorbike was an luxury for me when I was in college, right,
but now the college guys go to go on castle.
So so in terms of buying power, the population had
grown up then against there's nothing nothing called as special cities.

(01:09:51):
Like someone mentioned previously that you know we have offeren
christ at Wellington.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
No.

Speaker 12 (01:09:55):
One point five point point five billion people. We have
cities who have bigger potential. I studied, I'm from Mumbai.
I studied in a city called Poona, which is as
far as Hamilton, and that's around probably probably two million people.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Did you say about three million.

Speaker 12 (01:10:13):
I'm just so yeah, twenty to fifty. I'm just an
average Yeah, but that that that city is has the
potential to do business as good as Mumbai. Mumbai obviously
is a capital, commercial capital of the world. So I think,
I think, I think there is opportunities with the disruptions
that's taking place thanks to Trump, and there are opportunities

(01:10:34):
for beef. I'll give you a classic example for this
is twenty twelve years ago when I went in. I
went in last year to Indian and I was surprised.
My kids and wife had gone after eighteen years and
they were shocked. You know, the kind of food yo
is available, the kind of wine, the kind of alcohol.
I was even talking to one of one of our

(01:10:57):
manufacturers of vodka in in in what's the place in
wan Aca was not the name of k And they
were trying to Yeah, they were trying to export, trying
to sport into the European country. I gave them figures
at that point of time, which would double the figures
or what consumption is there of that alcohol in India? Right,

(01:11:19):
so if you're talking of ten million, it would be
twenty million. Yeah. People having water, Yeah, and but Vorka
it is drunk. Is the younger generations are not the
whisky drinkers. The younger generation is water, gins, mocktails, cocktails,
you know those kind of stuff we've gone to pass

(01:11:40):
when we went and that's that's more popular. So there's
a tremendous opportunity the the I feel just that there
has to be a panel who understands India better yea,
rather than who's probably saw India on TV or saw
India or read about India. Is not what should be

(01:12:00):
on that panel, like you. Ten years ago, when I
was in India, I went to a fruit seller and
you know, fruit seller normally is on the street on
his start selling fruit. I quickly wanted to buy fruit.
And I saw the kiv fruit and I saw the
apple right, and I knew they were for New Zealand
apples going from music, So I asked him and I said, yeah, sorry,

(01:12:20):
I was talking an emty. I asked him what fruit
is this and he said, this is New Zealand TV fruit.
Now he's illiterate. He's on the street selling fruit and
he said, I said what it is? What what's TV fruit?
He said, this is top quality, fantastic fruit. Right, that
was his And then asked him of the apple. He

(01:12:42):
had this massive pyramid and I said, what are the
apples on top? I didn't know what were there, and
I think I've only kept the New Zealand apples up there. Again.
There you got quality expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
There you go, you go, give me it is. It's
there's a market there for premium products. So if they
can get some sort of free trade deal across the line.
You know, he's quite right. They could drone as spirits
that if they could tap into that Indian market. There
is gold us for our business like a kadrona distillery.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Integrity, quality, good reputation. We're known for our cricket players
over there. We're on the map.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Let's get into it right. We are horribly late, but
we're going to come back with a few more phone
calls very shortly. It is fourteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Mattie Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred eighty
eight Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety
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Speaker 20 (01:13:41):
Yeah good I guys, thank you for hearing me. You
brought me inside. I was working out in the sun,
so it's nice to the end of shade.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Good to chat with you.

Speaker 20 (01:13:51):
You go about exporting to India, we automatically, of course,
think of Fronterra and milk products. But my understanding is
that India has the biggest dairy industry in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Yeah, it's not going to happen with their dairy.

Speaker 20 (01:14:05):
And what's more, they're pretty advanced too, because I was
still at high school in the nineteen sixties when Truscott,
Stainless Steel and Hamilton were exporting, well certainly negotiating to
export railway wagons of about thirty thousand liter capacity in
stainless steel to India for cutting milk. So that's that's

(01:14:30):
sixty years ago. Yeah, right, So they don't need our milk.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
They don't want to export a huge would be huge problem. Yeah,
they consume it all all and.

Speaker 20 (01:14:42):
I doubt very much whether they need our technology either,
because they've got one point five billion people.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Yeah, so you don't think a free trade dealer is
doable here, Murray? Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 20 (01:14:52):
Oh, yes, I think it is doable there. We can't
we can't do it. We can't build it around around
dairy products fair enough to all sorts of things.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Which is unfortunate, but a reality. You know, a dairy
is so good and we're so good and so making
it that no one wants us flooding our superior quality
product into their market.

Speaker 20 (01:15:13):
Yep, Yeah, I'm what I'm referring to, of course, is
stainless still revolutionized dairy industry in New Zealand because prior
to the late fifties early sixties, stainless steel was a product,
but they couldn't weld it. They they couldn't fabricate it.
But somewhere along the line somebody invented the way to
weld stainless steel. And Trustcott's was a business in Hamilton.

(01:15:35):
They were from Australia. They came from Melbourne, I think,
and they built all the milk tankers that you see
today in New Zealand, except they were brought out by
NDA National theairy so India National Dairy Association.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Yeah, well, thank god they sorted that out absolutely as gosh,
do we need an efficient and successful dairy industry for
our economy?

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Yeah, absolutely right. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. It is eight to three the.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Issues that affect you, and a bit of fun along
the way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety innovation,
style and design, have it all news talk said, be soon.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
It is six to three. Plenty of great techs have
come through over the past two hours.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Yeah, and twenty years from now, all these huge countries
will be turning to US for water produced and produce
and meat. Think big and negotiate well. This Texas says
on nineteen ninety two they eat beef in South India,
and another text backs that up. Please tell that guy
there are more beef eating Muslims there than Hindus. Yep,
very good, Thank you guys, appreciate you talking about the

(01:16:45):
positives this afternoon. Talking about business. I've been watching Australia's
response to their floods and they're also positive and working together.
We need to start talking about the good things.

Speaker 17 (01:16:56):
This term.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
This positive and working together. We need to start talking
about the good things. This term and education curriculums e g.
Maths and textbook and this textas say, is India juice
is almost five times the amount of milk and New
Zealand does wow? How many times the population have they got?

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
They've got so many there one point four billion, we've
got five million. You do the math.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Yeah, it's a lot anyway, and this one and yidday, guys,
perhaps losing to India was part of a cunning plan
to get more trade with them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
From Bruce's theory, Yeah, Luxon gave the Black Caps a
call and I just go let them win by one
over because we're heading over there for some negotiations.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
How if it works, so we'll let them have it.
Thank you very much for all the text and phone
calls on that really enjoyed that discussion. Right coming up
after three o'clock. How often do you check on your
parents or family members? How important is it to check
on them on a regular basis. On the back of
some pretty harrowing details about Gene Hackman's final days, we

(01:17:57):
now know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Yeah, well I know now that it's two hundred and
eighty times the population India has two hundred and eighty
times the population of New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Old one. That was some crook maths. Was that just
in your head?

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah, that was just in my head.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Totally sure, clever boy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
We are no calculator, no calculator involved.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. How important
is it for you to check on your family members?
And we also want to talk about granny flats? Do
you have a granny flat at your place where you've
got your parents living in the back garden and they
can help babysit the kids. It is certainly something that
more and more families are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Bring back multi generational living.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Absolutely. Nine two nine two is the text number. New
Sport and Weather on its way. Grant to have your company.
As always, you're listening to matt and Tyler. Good afternoon,

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Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
Home for insightful and entertaining talk.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
It's Mattie and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo XC
ninety on News Talk SEV.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Welcome back into the show. Seven past three. Now, just
before we move on to our next topic, you're you're
getting a few questions about your mathematics Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
I'm saying what percent how much? How many more people
have India got the New Zealand and I'm saying two
hundred and eighty times the population one point four billion
divided by five million. Yeah, it's very simple. Someone is saying, Matt,
I don't think so. If India has a population of
four billion and we are four to five million, you
don't need to work out that you've got it wrong. Yeah,

(01:19:34):
but mate, you're putting in the wrong numbers. India does
not have a population of four billion. No, you've got
a population of one point four billion. Yeah, all you've
got to do you don't even need a calculate it
for this, tyler. Okay, we just remove, just remove the
zeros that you don't need. So you remove six zeros
from both and then it becomes one hundred and forty
divided by five and then you get twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Eight how many how many zeros in a billion?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
You don't really need to know that. You need to
know that there's six and a million. Okay, so there's
six zeros and the end of five million. So you
just to make it easier because you don't want to
go lower than the five mate, right, because that would
be ridiculous. There, make yourself more comfortable, more complicated, So
you take all the zeros off the don't need to
do a math listen here do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
I Well, instead of doing that, I just googled one
point four billion divided by five million in those words,
and it came back with two hundred and eighty. So well,
there we go. We got technology there. Yeah, I can
say Google helped in the ends. I don't need to
remove any zeros. I just googled it. Right. Anyway, we've got.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
A scintillating maths argument going on here on Matt and
Tyler afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Yeah, but you got the maths right, so there we go.
But there wonder bid.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Anyway, let's move on from it. We all agree they've
got roughly two hundred and eighty times our population. Yeah,
which is quite amazing. That we sometimes beat them in
cricket like the World Test Championship. But you boys, but
I mean obviously lost in the champions trophy. But that
one doesn't matter. It was only by six balls.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Yeah, exactly right. Let's have a chat about this chicking
and on family members. It is on the back of
what we now know about the death of Gene Hackman
very heartbreaking. We know he died of heart disease with
complications from Alzheimer's disease, and he after his wife passed
away seven days before he passed away from a rere

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blood disease.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
So that's horrible. So she, I assume was his primary
caregiver and when she went down, he was in a
lot of trouble. So you think about seven days in
a terrible situation, not being able to look after yourself,
you know, I don't, I don't know, we don't know
the details yet, but on the ground, not being able
to get what you need, not being able to get

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up a bunch of scenarios you can imagine and only
just imagine being Gene Hackman's daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Oh terrible, terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
And so she's thinking, why didn't I check in with
him for that whole week? I mean, he's got he's
got he's got Christopher, Elizabeth and Leslie. But I think
Lesbie Elizabeth Heckman was the first person to come out
to the press about things. But they'll be going, why
didn't I why didn't I just ring? You know in

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that seven days?

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Absolutely devastating, But you know, you can't know what his
children were thinking, but perhaps they were thinking that his
wife is a lot younger and it is a rare
rodent born disease that she got in the end hunter virus,
incredibly rare that they would have thinking Dad's got Alzheimer's.
He needs twenty four hour care and his wife is

(01:22:27):
there looking after him. So all is okay?

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Oh yeah, I mean, and as kids are like sixty
five years old and such. But I guess my point
is that maybe they don't have any reason to feel
bad themselves, because you know, seven days isn't that long
a time not to get in contact with someone, right, Yeah,
but I bet they do. I bet they do feel bad?

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Oh here, yeah? Could you're not?

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah, because you know, if a parent goes down and
you know, maybe you thought about wringing them, or you didn't,
you know, because he could have rung and there was
no answer, then you think you could have found someone
to go around or whatever the situation is. But really
what we want to talk about is checking in on
your grandparents and your parents if they're getting older. Is
that your obligation? And how often should you do it?

(01:23:11):
You know, because especially if they're living on their own,
how often you should do it my dad who's in
his early eighties. He has the system on him, so
if he goes down, it wrings everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Oh like a Saint John type.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Yeah, it's like a device. It starts texts everyone in
the family and then it starts ringing people in order
of who's closest to him, not emotionally but actually physically
closest to him. And you know, I'm down the list
because I live in Auckland. He lives in Dunedin. But
you know, we'll get around to seven. But sometimes I
wake up and there'll be a text going emergency and
then you ring up and he goes, oh, yeah, sorry,

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I hugged someone at a party.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
That's frightening. Yeah, so is that when if he falls over,
if he has a bad fall and he can't get
to the phone, at least this will trigger that response.
How does it work? So obviously it can detect the fall,
and then it just starts running through the numbers until
somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Is yeah, that's right. I think I'm about fifth or
sixth on the list. But it sends everyone to text
message and so you know, off and I'll ring back.
You won't as I ring my sister and they go
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fine. But that's some
peace of mind you but you know it's not cheap
that whole service.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
No, no, I'll just thinking back to my grandparents because
we were not too far away from them in christ Church,
same suburb, and Mum was and Nelson, and that was
when they were starting to get a bit older and
Nana was starting to see the effects a little bit
of dementia, and so I was kind of the point
of call, along with Mum's sister, my Auntie, who was
pretty close by, as well my cousin, so there was

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a good team of us. But I do remember there
was a power cut in christ Juch and I rang
Mum and said, hey, just letting you know there's been
a power cut. I might try and cycle around to
see Nana. And granted, because I couldn't get the car
out of the garage because the power cut, couldn't open
the door. But went round there and bless Grandy because
he was a fantastic grandfather, but he was a bit

(01:25:07):
annoyed when I went around there knock on the door
and it was about ten thirty at night and he said, what, Brandy,
just checking on you. You were a right said yes,
we're sleeping. What do you want so the power was
out and said, well I didn't know that, so he.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Couldn't see the love and that you were showing by
coming around.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
He did the day to be fair, you know, I
woke them both up, so that would have been annoying.
But the next day he did rang me and said, hey,
thanks for coming around because I dropped off a couple
of torches if they needed it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Say, but I can see that because it's hard to
transition by some from someone who has been in charge
and brought up children and has been you know, a
leader and all that kind of stuff, to then have
a snotty nose caad like you Tyler coming around to
check on them, you know what I mean? Yeah, I
can see that that might hurt you pride a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
Yeah on my little bike as well, so that you know,
it was slightly embarrassing as well, because I couldn't get
the car out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Of humiliating paink little bike with the spoky dokies.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Yeah, yeah, you don't think about that. When there's a
power I can't thinking cheapest, how do I get the
car out?

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
So how often do you should you check on on
your parents. I wait, under at eighty ten, eighty nine,
two niney two, do we owe it to our parents
and grandparents to look after them? I think we do.
I think they brought us into the world, and I
think they've probably sacked for us a lot. You know,
if you look at yourself, actually, you know, you can
go back and there's all these ancestors going back all
this way that had their struggles and survive long enough

(01:26:25):
to have you. Going all the way back to when
we were little fishes. They had these great great great
gat great great grandparents that went through a lot to
get us here. Yes, right, and the ones that we
can think are our parents and our grandparents, and if
we're lucky enough, our great grandparents definitely. So I think
it's an absolute obligation.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
And I might be wrong here, but it feels like
we are going back to multiple generations living in the
same plot of land. And you know, when I'm not
talking like farm here, I'm talking about just an ordinary
house where we put the granny flat in the back
of the house. Nana and grandee or Mum and dad
can live out there. The family is in the front house.
And that's a great way to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Live Jesus actually that I'd have to my dad at
gunpoint to get him into a granny flat out the
back of my house.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. It is
quarter past three news Talk zed B and we are
talking about how often should you check on your family members,
whether that's your grandparents or your parents. On the back
of what we now know about Gene Hackman's death, Oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
We've also got this text here and I don't know
the answer this why did the dog die? So we
know why the wife died, and we now know how
Gene Hackman died. But there's also this rogue dog that's
died as well. And you think unless the dog was
locked and yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
There is a theory the Sheriff's department has suedesceded Johann
to know. Yeah, Oh it's pretty horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Yeah, I can handle it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
It appears that I'll just read that out here. One
of the couple's three dogs, a kelpie mix, was found
dead in a crate, So the poor thing was locked. Yeah,
when the wife passed away.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
I didn't want to know that. Gave your heads up
and said, do you want to know Ellie your thoughts
on checking in on your parents and grandparents?

Speaker 7 (01:28:20):
Hi?

Speaker 21 (01:28:20):
How are you?

Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
Good, nice to speak to you.

Speaker 12 (01:28:23):
Yeah, no problems.

Speaker 17 (01:28:25):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 10 (01:28:29):
I have both my parents.

Speaker 21 (01:28:31):
I'm early sixties.

Speaker 10 (01:28:32):
I have both my parents so alive. They live nearby.
My husband's same age. He has both his parents alive
and then his auntie.

Speaker 21 (01:28:41):
So the aunties.

Speaker 12 (01:28:44):
Sorry that all of the women.

Speaker 10 (01:28:46):
Around eighty five and the males are nineteen ninety two.
So they all live independently in a lifestyle village, but
in their own villas, and they all cook for themselves,
look after themselves.

Speaker 12 (01:29:02):
A couple of them still driving.

Speaker 21 (01:29:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:29:05):
So as far as checking in with them, we put
him on a daily basis, which you can whether it's
by phone, calling in, you know, a couple of them.
We do their groceries and stuff like that for them.
We take them out shopping just for drives. And they've
got their great grandchildren and my kid our kids that

(01:29:26):
look are looking on them. So yeah, I doubt if
a situation like Gene Hackman and his wife would happen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
There'd never be seven days without contact.

Speaker 21 (01:29:36):
Oh no, no, no way.

Speaker 10 (01:29:38):
I mean, my sisters lived out of town one overseas,
but they also daily where we're like on our chats
and you know, talking daily to them.

Speaker 12 (01:29:48):
So yeah, it just wouldn't happen.

Speaker 10 (01:29:49):
And I honestly, if one of us tried to get
hold of them, we'd be we'd be on the phone
on text saying if you.

Speaker 21 (01:29:55):
Heard from them, I'm dead today.

Speaker 12 (01:29:57):
So yeah, it's yeah, so that wouldn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Good on, Ellie. Did you feel like, like, I mean,
I don't know really how to ask this question, but
do you see it as an obligation or do you
take pleasure in helping out?

Speaker 7 (01:30:12):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:30:13):
No, I think we're really really lucky to have our
parents still with us, and you know they've got great grandchildren.
You know, they still take such an interest in what
they're doing.

Speaker 21 (01:30:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:30:28):
No, I think it's a privilege.

Speaker 12 (01:30:29):
I really do.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Dricking your kids will do it for you.

Speaker 12 (01:30:33):
God, I hope, so, I hope.

Speaker 10 (01:30:39):
You know, I've got boys, so our parents have got girls,
So I don't know if that's difference. But you know,
my husband, he's the same with his auntie and his parents.
So yeah, hopefully that filters through.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
And I would think most New Zealanders would see it
as a privilege, right, and being able to look after
your parents in that way and take them out for
lunch and keep them company, considering what they did for
you as a child, raising you for all those years.
It's kind of you know, it's it's that full circle
moment that they looked after you and now it's your
turn to look after them.

Speaker 10 (01:31:13):
Yeah, absolutely, it is. Yeah, I think I say, I
think we're really really lucky, you know. I think people
are living older nowadays as well. Yeah, so someone has
to really step in because it constant damn fortune if
they go into you know, into kier Yeah yeah, faces yeah, yeah,

(01:31:35):
So yeah, I think much is the family can step
in the better.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Yeah. I think I think you're right that, and that
it is that daughters are better at this kind of thing.
Then then sons. I mean, look at my family. I've
got a particular sister that's just incredible at But then again,
my dad doesn't really need to be looked after, even
though he's in his eighties. But my sisters, well they're
down there then near him. They do so much, so

(01:32:01):
much more my dad than I do.

Speaker 15 (01:32:02):
That it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 10 (01:32:06):
Yeah, but my sister is still incredible, you know, on
ones I'm down the line and one's overseas, but they
you know, the one overseas.

Speaker 21 (01:32:14):
She's here probably twice a year.

Speaker 12 (01:32:16):
And yeah, so it's a pretty good around.

Speaker 7 (01:32:20):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
You great to talk to you and keep that up.
I'm sure you will. Yeah, thanks so much, and just
make sure your kids see you're doing it and bring
it up a lot with your kids. I really hope
so they know that the past.

Speaker 7 (01:32:38):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Yeah, yeah, brilliant generational love.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
Thanks so much, Ellie. I mean, you're quite right. I
think women are far better and mentioned my grandparents down
in christ but my cousin I've just got brothers. But
my cousin Sarah, I mean, she leads the charge there
and because she's so good at it, I kind of
just follow her lead, you know. And it is kind
of nice for me as a male when I was
down there to say, hey, Sarah, what do you need

(01:33:03):
from me? Anything I can help that. Oh, I got
it all sorted. But you know, here's what time you
should turn up, you know, to come and have a
convo with Nana or to come and see Grandy. And
that was quite a nice for me, yea, but saying
that a part of me felt a bit bad for
not being Sarah sometimes as well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Yeah right, yeah, No, I mean I think there's something
that we have as men where we go we just
get involved in our own staff, and we get stressed
and we're working away, and we just sort of forget
that part of things sometimes, you know, and then our
our our friendships and and our links with their family
can shrink. That's why it's great to have sisters to
bring you up and hassle you into it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
Absolutely. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. And just as an aside, I'm getting
a few texts abusing me for my lack of knowledge
about garages. I'll mention a little bit more about that
very shortly. Nine two nine two. It is a Tick's number.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Why did you tell me about the dog and the crate?
That's so grum? I didn't want to hear and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
Gave you a warning. I said, you don't want to know.
It is twenty four to three.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Poor doggie.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons, call Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on News Talk zb good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
How often do you check on your family members?

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Yeah, and I said that seven days isn't that long
a time with Gene Hackman and people are saying, he
do you mean, how long does it take to die?
Seven days is ages check in with your parents? And
you know, Hasslingen Heckman's kid. But life can get in
the way, yep, you know. And Gene Heckman didn't live
by himself. He had his younger wife, she was sixty
five of his ninety five. So I don't know if
you can really hassle those kids. I mean, ideally, imagine

(01:34:38):
that we were check in with pearents more than every
seven days. But you know, you know something that really
affected me. It was in August twenty twenty three. This
was a headline in the Ittarga Daily Times reporting about
the sorry state of the elderly in Dunedin. In one
boarding house, tenants talked of elderly resident's body discovered days

(01:34:59):
after their death, dissolved into their mattress. Oh man, that's
abandoned in Dunedan was the name of the article.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
I mean, that is horrendous, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
So no one checked on that person until they dissolved
into the Mattress Japers. I mean that, Dame. I often
think about that. Yeah, just just visiting my dad and
Duneda and then just read this article in twenty twenty
three and it just haunts me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Yeah, but just quickly going back to the checking in
on your parents on a weekly basis. And granted mum
is still relatively young, right in her early sixties, but
I wouldn't always checking with her every week. But Mum
is very good at alerting me to things going on
in their life.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
You love, absolutely love Sharz. You know it sounds like
you don't love Shares ANIMs. I love Shares Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, she's great mum. Well, I did have
an hour convo with her yesterday, just a head of
after reading that story about Gene Hackman. I thought Jupe's
being to catch up with Mum, but I think she
takes the reins on that relationship. So she wants me
to know something. She will ring me, but I need

(01:36:06):
to ring her more.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Yeah you do. You discussed me, Chris. She jeez, So
how are you doing it? You've got a texting arrangement
with your son?

Speaker 15 (01:36:18):
Yes, I'm a seventy one year old woman who after
my partner died, I sold our great, big, two story,
four bedroom lifestyle block and moved an hour away from
a town out to Riversdale Beach, which is probably about
forty five minutes. And I didn't. I sort of hesitated

(01:36:39):
for a while because I sort of thought, well, living
on my own, what's going to happen if something happens
to me? But my son and I worked out a
perfect thing. And I've been here for three months now
and every morning as soon as soon as I wake up,
I text him and say good morning, And within five
minutes he text me back and says good morning.

Speaker 12 (01:37:00):
So we both know that.

Speaker 15 (01:37:01):
I'm up and about and I'm alive.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
It's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Yeah, it works perfect wells.

Speaker 15 (01:37:08):
Because it's not only family. It's not only family checking
up on people. It's people like me who who are
by themselves, and you do worry what happens if I
fall down the steps or something.

Speaker 21 (01:37:20):
But yeah, so that.

Speaker 17 (01:37:22):
Works perfect for us.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
So there's just that that's the one text a day.
So if you didn't respond one text a day, if
you didn't respond to the text, then is there someone
that he knows close by that he could and it's.

Speaker 15 (01:37:35):
Quite funny you should say that. About a month ago
we had all two degrees in Votafone all went down
and we had no cell phone coverage, and I thought, oh,
how the heck am I going to let Scott know
that I'm okay? In any case, After a.

Speaker 7 (01:37:54):
While, I thought, oh, this is stupid.

Speaker 15 (01:37:55):
I should just go down to the shop and use
the landline, which I did do, and he was going
to give it another ten minutes, and he was going
to get in his car.

Speaker 8 (01:38:03):
And come out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
So how long would the drive fee for him? If
Scott did come out, your son about fifteen minutes, that's
not too bad. And so that was no, it's not
that was quite bold of you to move out there.
What made you want to move? Obviously, Roversdale Beach is beautiful.

Speaker 15 (01:38:20):
I always wanted to live by the sea. I used
to live by the sea and I always wanted to
And my partner, he was a cancer sufferer, and he
knew that he was going to die and he made
me promise that I would still go and live by
the sea.

Speaker 18 (01:38:35):
After he was gone.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
That's beautiful, that's yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
And have you have you met people out at Riversdale Beach?
You've got mates out.

Speaker 15 (01:38:42):
There, Yes, yes, I have met a few. I find
it hard to meet people because I've lived in the
country all my life and I thought I even had
people around me. But yes, I am starting to mix
and mingle on you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
I'm very heavy, yeah, very he sounded, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Absolutely beautiful spot. And that sounds like a good relationship
and arranging you've got going with Scott. So god on
Scott as well, Great New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Thank you, Thank you very much, Chris, wasn't she lovely?

Speaker 12 (01:39:15):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number of calls,
some great techs coming through on nine to nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Sadly, in October twenty eighteen, this happened to me and
my dear brother who lived in Christchurch. We had long
catch up calls every two to three weeks and between
he unexpectedly became very unwell. Then he collapsed when he
finally made it to his front door. The hospital rang
when he was admitted, and I spent eight days by
his side before he passed. He was only sixty one.

(01:39:42):
She worn from Omaru.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Sorry to hear that she worn this one says, guys,
theres a sixty something mum of adult sons, Tyler, I
don't need chicking in on yet. Thanks. I still how
about my kids? Maybe in twenty to thirty years I'll
need checking in on a regular basis.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Yeah, I was thinking that. Actually, I was thinking that
your mum probably would be more checking in on you
and your road lifestyle. Yeah, especially that happens.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
She doesn't need to be bothered every week.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
No, but she should be worried about your behavior across
the weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
I heard it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
I heard about you at the polo.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
That's why I had to catch up with her last night. Actually,
she was just giving me in my place. Oh eight
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is twenty eight to four.

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Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we're talking about checking
in on your parents or grandparents. Plenty of phone calls
to get to, but just a quick couple of texts
that have come through.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Fun fact. If you die locked inside your house with pets,
the cats will eat you within a day, dogs will
leave you around a week, and the labrador will be
on its deathbed before its snacks. Yeah, I mean they've
done those studies and that the cat will eat your nose.
So with a cat, you are only a few heartbeat
away from being food. To it, one point you're providing

(01:42:11):
food and then you die and you become food. That's
just how the cats see them will and it's I'm
a dog man. Yeah, the dogs are the best of us.
Can't repeat it. Yeah, I mean there's been some really
interesting studies on this, and there was actually this major
one where they're trying to work out this morgue, what
was going on with the all the bodies having their
noses but not This was in the States and on Colorado,

(01:42:33):
and then they set up CCDV footage and found out
that the local cats were just breaking into the morgue
to have a little bite on the nose of the
dead humans.

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
How were they getting into the morgue? Someone leave a
window open or something.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
That showed within a second, all black cat showed up
the scene. The scientists allowed them to give it. Oh no,
so the cats were they breached security.

Speaker 4 (01:42:51):
It just is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
Lovely phrase.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
It doesn't exactly say how they breached security. Steve Steve
Welc from the show You're looking after your grandparents.

Speaker 11 (01:43:04):
Well, I have a great auntie who lives to one
hundred and three, and when we were living in Helton,
we would call on on her. She was in her
own home till she's one hundred and one, so we
called her irredially more in the early days, just to
see her and make sure that she's okay. But once
we left Hamilton, my two sons went to university there

(01:43:27):
and they did it. They just loved the connection was
that age and that generation of our family. And as
young twenty year old I was really you know, I
really wrapped to the dad to see my sons. It's
just enjoying and reving how important it was to do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Yeah, that's that's good to hear because I was actually
running down us mean by saying that we're useless at
checking in on people. But it sounds like you and
your sons are proving me wrong there.

Speaker 11 (01:43:55):
I do it with my parents. I've run my parents
every Sunday for thirty five years at seven o'clock pretty
much from all around the world. My three sons bring
them once a month to them overseas, and when they
were in their fifties, is more about oh, how are
you going, and then Dad's I've got some skin dents
and you talk about all their makeu They're okay, But
as they've got into their mid eighties, now it's me

(01:44:18):
just checking in and they they don't even answer the
phone like it's anybody else. It's hi, Steve at seven,
I give you Sunday, and they know that I'm just
checking in. And then my sisters. She does it twice
during the week, and it's just that we are to them.
They've done so much for us in our life, and
actually I've come to absolutely love it. Sometimes it's a

(01:44:41):
ten minute conversation, sometimes it's a forty minute conversation, depending
on what's been happening. But it's just it's the worst
scenario is not finding them when something's gone wrong. And
that great heart at one hundred and one, the reason
she left her house she fell going to the washing line,
and she took eighty hours to crawl back into her house.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
From the washing Lil Wow, because she.

Speaker 11 (01:45:04):
Left her button that we brought her their emergency, you know,
sir John Thing took eighty hours to crawl up the
steps and into the house to push that button, and
she was She's only forty five forty kilos and mate
at that time, and she was frozen nearly died, and
that really wiped the family up as well. And that's

(01:45:25):
why that's why it's so important, you know, and like
you being so far away, it's just those quick calls.
My parents are not in the sac that's scared by
Facebook and all that sort of stuff, which just fine,
and we communicate with him like that as well. So
you're just keeping tad's you know, if one's not feeling well,

(01:45:45):
I'll mention to my sister and she'll call around if
she can type thing. I don't know what we're going
to do. And they get old enough to go to
homes because they don't really want to go into homes,
but I don't imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
Yeah, that's the same. That's tough conversation about any child.
I thank you, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and I have.

Speaker 5 (01:46:04):
An idea what we're going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
Steve. You're a very good person and it's great to
talk to you. I've got a question for you. When
you talk to you. Back in the day, when you
were talking to your parents, you'd bring up and you
talk to your mom and then because this is the
way it normally goes, right, you talk to your mom
for a long time, and then she goes, you've got
to talk. Do you want to talk to your dad?
And you go, and then dad will jump on and
then you'll talk for about three seconds and then he'll go,

(01:46:25):
you seem busy. I'll let you get.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:46:30):
A little bit.

Speaker 11 (01:46:31):
But my father life so different. But what happened was
I would seek head advice when I was younger, and
that that was the base of the conversation. And for
the last twenty years since he's been retired, it's the
opposite way around.

Speaker 18 (01:46:45):
Yeah, you don't buy anything or do.

Speaker 11 (01:46:47):
Anything without just having Oh what do you think, Steve?
You know, although he knows it all, he's an incredibly
intelligent guy. But it develops your relationship with with your
parents as well because you're forced to it. I decided
to just wanted to my father in La got so
much closer by just having a chat about you know,
he's on seventeen acres of land and he's giving up

(01:47:08):
the animals down. You'll tell me about this and that,
and now I've got chickens And Ike said, oh, you know,
I got one that's playing one hundred and ten grand eggs,
and then the problems I need to what am I
doing wrong? Is that that matter? And she's says, no,
you just got a freak one that you know, she
just produces them. I said, it's every day you must
know you might be screaming. So you just developed that

(01:47:29):
relationship and it's it's just me checking in getting a
sense of I and that he sounds really good for
his he's really you know, like COVID, they were so scared, yeah,
and we couldn't do anything. So the conversations then were
really important. They were much more often just to give
them the comfort you know that they're doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Well, you're getting exam big. You need to get a
cock in there and get the get that breeding and
get those that begin begin get get that big en
to hatch the eggs.

Speaker 11 (01:47:58):
I've just put colored tags on the leg so I
identify which one of us. Yeah makes you you kept
get as scary to holders and on them like that.
You work at one hundred and two grands at your
sticks when you go home and.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Yeah, yeah that that that chicken needs to breed. We
need more one hundred and ten grand eggs. Hey, thank
you so much for call Steven and you you're a
good man.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
Yeah, I mean that you're quite right on the old
man situation. And like Steve, I've got to say, Dad
love him to bits, but he's got a lot more
chatty since he started to Seemi retires. He's still doing
a bit of work. But you know, back back when
I was at Unis, Dad, how's life, how's work?

Speaker 7 (01:48:41):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
Busy? How's Journie?

Speaker 7 (01:48:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
Pretty good, Dad. But luckily he's got I've got some
step brothers and sisters, Isaac and Holly, and so I
could ask how's Isaac? Yeah he's good. How's Holly? Yeah
she's good? Okay Dad, all right, well Jenn again next week.

Speaker 15 (01:48:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:48:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
Back in the day in my chats with my mum
would be forty five minutes and Dad would be about
forty five seconds. Yes, I'm good. Good to hear from
your Good to hear from your Matthew, Good to hear
from you. Anyway, you seem busy all that you get now,
I mean my dad chat on the phone for like
forty five minutes. We've flipped it around.

Speaker 3 (01:49:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
Said, be good afternoon. We're chatting about how often you
check on your parents or grandparents. Plenty of great techs
coming through. But Trina, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 12 (01:49:38):
We're chating?

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Hey, Trina? Are you there?

Speaker 7 (01:49:42):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
Trina? Now we might just put Trina back to Andrew.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
Treena's listening to us and there's a delay, so we're
listening back to us, which isn't great radio really.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
No, but we will come back to Trina very shortly.
A quick couple of ticks here, guys, I think it's
important to contact your parents every second day and expect
a reply of texting yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Every second day. I mean, as you say, it depends
how old your parents are. If they're in their fifties,
you probably you probably might start petrizing if you're texting
them every second day saying are you okay?

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
Yeah, you might know yeah, Whereas if they're in their eighties, yeah, they.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Might make a think it's a very different thing.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
Yeah, Or I think we've got Trina Beck, Hey you, Trina,
Hi there, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Ye think you you think we can worry too much?

Speaker 21 (01:50:25):
Well, I do to certain then. I mean, I'm a
mum ad sixty, still work full time, got children, adult
children and grandchildren. But at the end of the day,
it doesn't matter what kind of plan you have in place.
I mean, you could talk to your parents or grandpardents
at ten o'clock in the morning, and at eleven o'clock
something nasty could happen to them. So I don't think,
you know, the likes of Gene Hackman's children have anything

(01:50:47):
to concern themselves about. I think we just have to
be realistic about how life works.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
Yeah, an adult.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Yeah, I wasn't exactly saying Trina that they should feel
bad about it, but that they probably still would. You know,
they probably think if only I had wrung you know,
even though.

Speaker 21 (01:51:05):
You well, I guess you know, if somebody had said,
you know, I could have called twice a day or
three times a day, or you know, you can take
that to the n degree. But another reason is that
you know, there are a lot of families, not mine included, thankfully,
but there are a lot of families who, for very
good reasons, don't keep in touch. Yeah, you know, so
it's just unfortunate facts of life.

Speaker 8 (01:51:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
Well, like I said, you're you're you're in your sixties.
You're still in the caring stage as opposed.

Speaker 12 (01:51:32):
To the being I'm in my sixties.

Speaker 21 (01:51:34):
I'm in my mid sixties, so but I am still
in the caring stage. They're looking after rather than after grandchildren.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so, but but when you're say, you know,
and when you're in your eighties, you would you expect
your parents your kids to you know, contact you every
couple of days every.

Speaker 21 (01:51:54):
Week, not unless they wanted to.

Speaker 8 (01:51:57):
No expectation.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
Yeah, would would you like it?

Speaker 10 (01:52:00):
Though?

Speaker 12 (01:52:01):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:52:02):
It would be nice.

Speaker 21 (01:52:02):
Depends on what they want me for.

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 17 (01:52:06):
They just can't money.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Definitely conting you for money.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
Mom? Can I borrow some money?

Speaker 21 (01:52:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:52:12):
Yeah, I mean, mum, can you babysit?

Speaker 9 (01:52:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:52:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
And that's the other thing as well, as they could
be seen as a patronizing sort of part to it
as well. Yeah you're okay, yeah, yeah, you know, but
that's why, like you know, a lot of people say
that they enjoy talking to the and keep catching up
with their parents and grandparents and then that's a good thing. Hey, Trina,
you have the most beautiful accent and voice. Congratulations on that,
well done.

Speaker 21 (01:52:36):
Thank you, Thanks twenty five and twenty five years in
the music one hasn't robbed it off.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
And I could hazard a guess where your excents from,
but I won't tell us. Where are you? Where are
you originally from?

Speaker 21 (01:52:49):
Well, I'm from Scotland, brought up and safe. Yeah, between
Edra and Dundee.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
Lovely, So that's that's a great accent. So you've got
some Scottish and then you throw you know, a couple
of decades of New Zealand just infiltraining just a little bit,
and you've got.

Speaker 21 (01:53:02):
An where I've got lovely kywe grandchildren?

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Now can you talk?

Speaker 17 (01:53:06):
Too?

Speaker 21 (01:53:07):
Weak to dancing with my own oldest one?

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
When you talk to people back in Scotland, do they
think that you've got a qi accent?

Speaker 17 (01:53:13):
Now?

Speaker 21 (01:53:14):
Yes, we started to get that inflection at the end
of a sentence. You know, everything raises.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Thank you so much for your called Trina.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 20 (01:53:25):
Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (01:53:28):
Ye're doing good? Guys?

Speaker 21 (01:53:29):
How are you?

Speaker 10 (01:53:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:53:29):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
You want to have a chat about contacting your mum.

Speaker 7 (01:53:32):
Yeah yeah, First of all, you'll be pleased to know
that she doesn't have a cat.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
Okay, yep, good.

Speaker 7 (01:53:39):
You'll get to kids in those.

Speaker 5 (01:53:44):
What would you do?

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
What would you do to the cat? If you turn
up and the noses missing? That cat's getting a boot, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:53:51):
Yeah, and a plug for the boys. I've got two
brothers and my older brother lives just around the road
from my mum and he had us a few years ago,
so he needs to walk a couple of times a
week and walks his dog, so chicks and on mum
as he does that usually for a free cup of
coffee and a free read of a newspaper, but that's okay.

(01:54:14):
Sunday nights, my old my younger brother rings mom. He
lives in christ Church. She's and Bob's girl. He rings,
checks him with her and checks him for her grocery order,
which he does online for her and pays for Mondays
in my lunch break, I ring every week and we
just have a check in chat for half an hour

(01:54:34):
while I have lunch. Tuesdays, the groceries are delivered, so
she's checked in on then by the countdown grocery delivery guy.

Speaker 12 (01:54:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:54:44):
Wednesdays, the cleaner turns up, so she's checked in there.
Friday's the hairdresser comes to do her trailers, bring the
church on Sunday, and my older brother picks her up
and delivers her to church and takes her home again
afterwards on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
You guys have got it, sus.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
That's a good schedule. Yeah, it's a solid schedule.

Speaker 7 (01:55:04):
Yeah. But the best part of the whole story for
me is pizza tea night.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
Pizza tea night.

Speaker 5 (01:55:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:55:11):
Yeah. So my mom, the grandma to my daughter and
her husband and the cousins down there, she invites them
for pizza tea night on the first Monday every month.
It costs her one hundred bucks or so for the pizza,
but they all turn up. They spend a couple of
hours with her, They eat pizza around her dinner table

(01:55:33):
and still with grandma. Yeah, every month.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
That's love, beautiful thing. David, Yeah, very nice, right, beg
very shortly it is seven to four.

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Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
We've been talking about checking in with your elderly relatives
after the Gene Hackman passing tragic, and I just wanted
to say one thing, you know. You know that the
last time I talked to my mum BEFO before she died.

Speaker 12 (01:56:09):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
We've talked for millions and millions of words in our life,
but the last three words I over said to her
was I love you, mum. And that was so important
to me. Two days before she died that we had
this beautiful conversation together and it was a bit of
an argument for forty five minutes, but it ended with
I love you, mum. And you know you don't want
to you don't want them to pass without getting to
say that to them. So it's good to stay in touch.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
Yeah, very wise words to finish that chat. Thank you
very much for today, really enjoyed it. We'll do it
all again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
Yeah, So until then, give granny a ring. All right, okay, all.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
Right, see you then.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
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