Full Show Podcast: 11 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealanders, Welcome to the Mantain Tyler
Afternoons podcast. Rubbish show today, but there were some highlights.
There were some bits that were okay, but big weekend
down at the BFS, so you coming back a bit
but good chat about marijuana and it's in a study
that found that it stops people drinking so much.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Got pretty deep. Some people rang up who had real
addictions to cannabis.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, that's right. It's always it's always interesting but heartbreaking
to talk to people about their addictions. And we had
some great chats there. And also we went deep into
Christmas trees as well, which is early. I think it's
a bit early. It was a bit early for the
Christmas tree chat in November.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Well, I think both of us love a Christmas tree,
but some concern about money yep, spent on Christmas trees yep.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
And then it was the the we end with some
chat about some bad boys and bad girls of sport.
So I hope you enjoy the next two hours, not
our greatest show.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well and listen out for matt tells a great story
about tramad all that's well worth listening for.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Get on the tram train. It's a good time. No no, no,
no no. It was a terrible, terrible, terrible time, terrible
time for me. It's a good time for a while.
We've been getting off it's not great. All right, Okay
you seen Busie. Will let you listen to the podcast,
give me a taste a key.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
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It's Mattie and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, good afternoon to you. Welcome in to Monday. You're
listening to Matton Tyler. We're here until four pm. Get
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Speaker 2 (01:55):
I tell you what. The Dunedin Craft Beer and Food
Festival is a good time my bed. It was. I
was there across the weekend and look think to all
the people that came up and said nice things about
the Mett and Tyler show and thank you still the
vendors with the delicious beers that I sampled.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, how many people were there at the fest. It
looked like it was full to the brim.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, it's old. I'm not sure how many how many
people go maybe eight thousand, yeah, eight thousand of cross
It goes two days, so there's two sessions on the
Friday and the Saturday.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
And what time did you finish up?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, it starts early on the Saturday, so it starts
at midday, so it sort of finishes up at seven.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Oh there's good.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes, good. And then I dropped into Emerson's for a
beer on the way home. It was a good time.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, very good. Right onto the show today after three o'clock,
we're going to chat about the All Blacks, or one
in particular.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, Ricca Yoanni who who has been doing a little
bit of trolling of the Irish. But do we like that?
Do we like our do we like our bad boys
of sport and bad girls of sport? Does it provide
more drama to the situation? I think it does. I
like I like the way he behavior. Like that the
All Blacks, which normally kick everything fun to touch and

(03:04):
try and sterilize the way the public interacts with the team.
So to get Ricca you only to lead the hacker,
was a really it was. It was a cool moment
and I was just wondering if it was a turn
in the way the all Blacks are going to do things,
whether they are going to lean more into those those

(03:24):
attention grabbing you headline grabbing moves, because you know, Rikyuani
and Johnny Sex and some beef has been well documented.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
But it's you know, people are invested in it. And
I thought it was a master stroke by Rico that
Instagram post a picture of the Huker saying put that
in your book, which I thought was brilliant.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I mean, we would hate him and the Irish bowed
him constantly. The Irish bowed him and they loved it
when he when he got smashed at one point. But
and if if he was a player for for Australia,
if he was a player for England or Ireland or whoever,
we would absolutely hate him. But that's good. It's great
to have you. It's great to have your villains. And
when we hated Kwaid Cooper for for not much, not

(04:04):
much really, I mean there was an incident with Richie
McCaw at point. But I think sport is better when
you have these people that stand up and be characters. Yeah,
you know you can, you can, you can, you can
focus on the sport and the purely, purely sober manner,
or you can get into the characters and the drama

(04:25):
of it.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, George Gregan, four more years boys, great moment. Great
lines we use that, didn't we as motivation?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
It was a great line.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, that's after three o'clock. That's going to be a
good discussion after two o'clock. Hard of the City is
hitting back at critics of Auckland's new Christmas tree, saying
it is part of the rejuvenation of the central city
at the busiest time of year and be great for
the kids and bring a bit of magic to our lives.
The problem is this tree costs one point two million dollars.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
How come things cost so much more than you can
possibly imagine? If you if you show me that tree
and it is a spectacular tree. Yeah, And I love Christmas,
and I love the idea of people going to the
center of Auckland to look at a beautiful Christmas I mean,
we do this in other cities around the world, and
it's a fantastic thing. But if I look at that

(05:14):
Christmas tree, I don't think one point two million dollars.
If I read the specs of it, surely we could
get it for cheaper than that, and I think the
councilor is paying eight hundred thousand of that, which in
a time when they're cutting back on everything, may seem
a little bit extravagant, but I think it was. It

(05:35):
was book to be made before, before COVID. So but
why everything's so expensive? But that's my initial reaction to it.
My second part of it is I love Christmas so much.
I'll have everything about Christmas, so the wonder of it
makes me hypocritically way less critical of this Christmas tree
just because it's Christmas related.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
You're torn on how much do you think you could
do that tree for. I imagine the market trying to find,
you know, people who can build giant Christmas trees. Is
it's not that large?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Well, I think it'll look if the last twenty years,
because that's the thing. They got to wheel it out.
They don't have Creepy Saner anymore, which was a huge
loss to the city, definitely. Creepy Center was around for
a while and then he got too creepy, so they
gave him plastic surgery. They gave him a facelift, and
he came back even creepier. Now he's gone, and so
we need need something. But this Christmas tree for one

(06:26):
point two million, that better last twenty five years. Okay,
I want twenty five years at a one point out
of a one point two million dollar Christmas tree.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
There's going to be a good discussion after two o'clock.
But right now, let's have a chat about legalizing cannabis.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, as we're saying before, a study, say sixty percent
of cannabis and alcohol users say that smoking cannabis makes
them drink less. So if we agree that alcohol does
more damage than cannabis, and it's good that people are
drinking less, if we can in terms of the damage

(07:01):
that's done to society, does that should that be a
factor in considering whether we legalize cannabis or not.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, look, I don't know. I think there's two things
about it. I think decriminalizing makes a lot of sense.
As soon as you legalize something that it becomes a business,
and then it becomes you know, the incentives are to
sell more and more and more and more and more
and more stronger. And I don't know, I don't know
if we need that, But you know, I'm kind of
the mindset that it seems a little bit ridiculous that
cannabis is illegal, and I definitely don't think it. I

(07:31):
think it does do harm. I think that that cannabis
there isn't isn't. Some people are out there saying that
there's zero negative effects from cannabis, and the study found
that it was the ninth most dangerous drug in the country, cannabis.
But I think that definitely is harm to it, especially
certain people, certain people with mental health problems. Cannabis cannot

(07:52):
be a great thing. But I just my natural feeling
is if alcohol's legal, then cannabis should be legal. That
that's just the way it should be. And also another
part of the study said that cannabis just found that
cannabis lowered them out of myth and feed them that
methan fetamine uses token. So I mean it's a tough

(08:12):
one because so it's just levels of harm, really, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, And you bang on. I mean, there are certain
groups within society that cannabis is harmful four if you've
got mental issues, but also for children right with developing brains,
and I think that's well researched and well documented. But
decriminalizing I think we kind of tiptoe over that in
this country. That it's police discretion as it stands, and

(08:37):
more often than not, police if they catch someone with
a small amount of cannabis, they will not prosecute. But
the fact that it's up to the individual police officer
to determine that I think is wrong. If we're going
to have decriminalized legislation around cannabis, put it in the legislation.
That's a no brainer to me.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
So alcohol methmfetaming top the list of New Zealand's most
harmful substance in a recent research paper. Well, cannabis was
ninth and tobacco, after tobacco and opiates, So cannabis is
way down the list of the evils in our society. Yeah,
I would say.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
And it was very very close when we had the
referendum on it. What was that twenty nineteen. Yeah, it
was fifty one percent against forty seven percent in favor.
But is it time on the back of the study
that we relook at that issue. If it does reduce
harm overall, is it a good thing to maybe look
at how we legalize or make illegal cannabis in New Zealand? Oh,

(09:34):
eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to call.
Nine two niney two is the text number. It is
fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
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Speaker 3 (09:52):
Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
It is.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
It is seventeen past one and we're talking about cannabis
on the back of a new study that says sixty
percent of cannabis and alcohol users say weed as in marijuana,
makes them drink less love the word weed, isn't it
as very key?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
That wasn't what the word was used in the study
that however, writ it down on your notes there, I've
called it. We Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
So do we perhaps need to review our cannabis legislation
in light of this research that on a cost benefit
analysis that reduces harm overall?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Is that a good thing?

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah? And when you look at that, cannabis as the
ninth most dangerous substance or legal substance according to a
recent study. So if it stops people in our cool
METHMFA men with top the list. So if the one
at nine makes one and two mitigates one, and two's harms. Yeah,
then what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Makes sense?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Greg? How are you boys?

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:47):
Good?

Speaker 3 (10:48):
What's what's your feeling?

Speaker 7 (10:50):
Well, what I think doesn't really matter. But really, because
we had a binding referensm five years ago, they're not
going to change legislation for another five to ten years
because if you go back down the track, a binding
refersm referend across the fortune to a country a certain way,
which a lot of people weren't happy with, which is
fair enough. And I really don't know where we were

(11:14):
discussing it, and we shouldn't be re looking at legislation
because it's like it's just too close to where it was.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, well just just on your first point, Greg, and
I'll let you carry on. But yeah, I get your
point that we had that referendum five years ago and
the nation said, no, we don't want it. It's fine
the way it is, keep the status quo, but easier. Know,
referendums do pop up again, and again we've had a
few on MMP. So there may come a time where
there is another another referendum on this one.

Speaker 7 (11:41):
I agree totally. If there is, it'll probably go the
other way. If the people that were organizing the referendum
had brain in the head, it would easily have gone
the right way for them, but they were so stupid
went the other way.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
It was the wrong question. It was it was, it was.
It was a crazy question that they asked. They went,
They went for the big dirty They went for all
of it once that that's what they did. Whereas if
they just looked to decriminalize that, it might have been
a different story.

Speaker 7 (12:03):
I think it would have been a completely different story.
And I think they would have got what they wanted.
And you know, you hin gutty doctrine.

Speaker 8 (12:10):
You can get.

Speaker 7 (12:11):
Prescribed to EHC and you can pick up the BDT
rivers whatever it's called around where you want to. So
if you only wanted it for pain, pain relief, which
is quite basically the biggest part of the industry is
now there are legal ways to get it.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, I mean New Zealand legalize the medical cannabis in
twenty eighteen. It's pretty strict regulations. Patients with specific qualifying
conditions can access medical cannabis through a doctor's prescription and
a license supplier. But from what I know, it's pretty easy.
It's not about to get it if you want to
put a little modicum of effid and then you can

(12:51):
get you can get your hands on medical cannabis. But
I guess the people that are methan fetamine uses and
the people that, as the study said, meth and fetamine
uses cannabis lowers their methan fetamine intake. And we all
agree that methan fetamine is a terrible, terrible drug that's
doing terrible things Swiss society. Yeah, and the very people
that are on the meth and phetamine aren't the type

(13:12):
of people that would go through the hoops needed to
get medical marijuana.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, absolutely, Greg, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
O it.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
One hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to call.
Love your thoughts on this one, Peaks, how are.

Speaker 9 (13:23):
You you know? Just goodness, No, I'm actually boring. If
they decriminalize what they're going to do it because you're
thinking about it now, you can't. You can't before the
police they couldn't be picked it in your system. Now
they can with the new piece they have like alcohol
and that. So you can't get pulled up forward nuts
and your syst if you're driving. So they say now
that if you get if you're driving and you're making

(13:44):
this stuff, you're going to get done anyway. Them as alcohol, well,
I think that a lot of people they use it
too for other purposes. They're only for you know, for
they might have medical problems, and it's onny for their
own use. The same as I've been over Hollanding now
and the same thing over there they allowed to have
so much on you and my priss, you're alcohol probably

(14:05):
does more harm than marijuana. I see that for your
own use, you're not causing any harm. You're not selling
the stuff I reckon, you know, for another referee. And
what they should do is they say it's cost a
lot of money for refereendums, but surely the next time around,
the next election, can't they put it in the same
somehow do it on the same cut down the costs
having these referendums or a time put it in the
same format, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, that doesn't necessarily have to be a referendum. A
referend num is just because a particular political party doesn't
want the fallout from supporting it completely. If if you
could prove the case, and if the mindset of the
nation changed enough, then then then then a bill could
be brought into parliament to decriminalize absolutely Pete.

Speaker 9 (14:45):
Yeah, no, that's that's my point.

Speaker 10 (14:47):
If you I reckon, you make it, legalize it and
you know, and use it for common sense. And I
said before you picking myself ericon, alcohol probably does more
harm beties and all that stuff, and it's.

Speaker 9 (15:00):
People have spoke it for a long time. Marijuana.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
We all know that.

Speaker 9 (15:02):
So the companies, well they accept that. So we're just
going to move on and get on the modern they're
countries today.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah. Absolutely, But I mean I also think it's not
true that cannabis doesn't have any negative impacts. Some people
try and push that. I mean, it is weird for me.
And it's a cliche that everyone throws out there that
anyone over eighteen can go on by a one one
two five of gin from a bottle store and one
one two five of gin can do a whole lot
of damage to a human being. Can Yeah, but I

(15:30):
think cannabis for young people can be a bad thing
people with mental health issues, So you know, there needs
to be a lot of education around it. And as
the TV show south Park pointed out, the biggest problem
with cannabis is motivation and that it makes boring things interesting.
So not necessarily speaking from experience, but someone that should

(15:54):
be standing for exams can watch a lot of infomercials
and be entertained.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
They're not reading books high on cannabis, that's for sure.
O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Putting the tough question into the news speakers the make
Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (16:11):
There's protest which may or may not turn out to
be a thing this week. Police Minister Mark Mitchell's will
us we can with.

Speaker 12 (16:16):
The organized as well in advance is a commitment by
them that it's going to be a peaceful boy. People
have got the right to come out and participate in protests.

Speaker 11 (16:23):
Have you had a word with David Seymour, Because of
course you're in charge of this and this is something
that's going to die at the first round anyway. Therefore
there's a lot of energy going into something that's going nowhere.

Speaker 12 (16:31):
Are you talking about the Trees Principles, Well, I mean yeah.

Speaker 11 (16:33):
The reason they're marching is the Treaty Principles bills going
off data Thursday's going off to Select Committee's going to
die from there because you haven't got the support. They're
marching for something that isn't going to happen.

Speaker 12 (16:41):
Well, yes, so it's just related to the treaties principle
that yes, you're right and it's not going any further.

Speaker 11 (16:46):
Back Tomorrow at six am the make Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate Newstalk.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
ZB twenty six past one.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Whole heap of calls and texts coming through on this
issue around cannabis. Kind of it's becoming cannabis versus alcohol,
and cannabis worth versus meth and phetamine because people that
smoke cannabis tend to drink less and if their methampheta
bean uses use less. Myth and fitamin the sticks are
through on nineteen nine two. Five drunk guys will start
a fight, five stone guys will start a being games

(17:15):
a match, Josh, how are you yeah?

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Five stone guys will bull a sandwich hey, heah. This
discussion keeps going around in circles, but I'm wondering how
it reflects on the workplace legalities. You know, we've got
these bringing urine tests. Now, you know you can be
drunk as the night before shop to work with a hangover.
No problems. You smoke a joint in three weeks before that,

(17:41):
bringing urine tests your toast. So I'd like to see
more rigorous testing, Like can they tell if you're stone
right now? That's what the employer needs to know. They
don't need to know. What they need to know is
their employee is going to show up to work sober, right.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
What they do in their own times up to them. However,
we seem to have this holier than now attitude. You know,
some some employers will be like, holy shit, Like one
guy told me, actually, I see drug tested his employees.
H'd have no employees do it.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, it's interesting one, isn't it.
But you definitely can be stoned over where you're you know,
if someone's been smoking cannabis the night before, their mind
might not be operating at one hundred percent. I mean
that's definitely true of a hangover. Yeah, definitely, as as
you say, and I.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Suppose it's determinant Josh on the job, right that if
you've got a job that you're operating heavy, heavy machinery
and you turn up still drunk and they decide to
test you your bugget just as you are with Cannaba.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
I think we can do more work around that. Like obviously,
drug testing up north in forestry is a good idea,
yeahs chopping their own arms off, et cetera. But if
you're working in a retail position and the most compon
thing you're going to do all days, see, yes, sir,
Thank you, sir, have a nice day, sir. I'm thinking

(19:14):
that you know that doesn't necessarily warrant an extensive drug test.
But now there's plenty of people in this country.

Speaker 13 (19:23):
That are.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
Being deemed unemployable because they did failer test at one point,
and if it goes through to see a work agent, see,
then you'll get a bad name and you just won't
get any work. So what I want to see is
saliva testing in the workplace. I want to know is
the guy high right now, not three weeks ago, not

(19:46):
last week, not last Friday, as if sober in the
in the workplace.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I agree. I think that your tests, you know, that's
old school now and it doesn't really matter on the
scheme of things. If someone smoked two weeks ago, it's
whether they've done in the last twenty four hours like alcohol.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Right, good y arm boys, Yeah, hey, thanks you cool
like For example, if you're a radio host, not if
Tyler it was just on the back end of a
bomb right now, it probably wouldn't make much difference.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
One hundred ten eighty is a number to call. Nine
two ninety two is the text number. It is twenty
nine past one.

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Speaker 3 (21:40):
Thank you very much, Raylene, twenty seven to two.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
We're talking about cannabis and the impact it has on
the consumption of alcohol and methnphetamine. According to a new study,
the more cannabis you smoke, the less alcohol you drink,
and the less myth you take. Well, that's actually a
very simple, massive supplication of a very very complex study.
Few techs coming through here, Matt Tyler on the back
end of a bond during work might make this show

(22:05):
more interesting. It's tried as a scientific experiment and see
what happens there. And another Texas on nine two nine
two says, you just need to be aware. If it's legal,
then it's for everyone from plumbers to brain surgeons to teachers.
I don't know about that because you know, alcohol is legal,
but you're not going to keep your job if you
keep turning up to work drunk. You No, no, not

(22:28):
so cannabis could be legal, but would be within the
rights of employees to demand that you're not stoned while
you're performing heart surgery.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Absolutely, Jay, How are you hi?

Speaker 15 (22:39):
Hey, I need to meet you.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, thank you very much for giving us a buzz.
So you are fairly young, and you have recently been
prescribed medical cannabis. Is that right?

Speaker 13 (22:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (22:49):
So I'm a medicinal cannabis user. I have a disability
which I am prescribed for. I also deal with Anxietian
depression and have ADHD, and my symptoms of that have
been greatly improved by medicinal cannabis.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
So yeah, hey Ja, what was the process of getting
yourself registered to be able to purchase medical marijuana?

Speaker 13 (23:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (23:18):
I actually think people would be quite surprised that it's
actually a lot more accessible than perhaps people make it.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Out to be.

Speaker 15 (23:27):
I'm in a specific situation where I have a pre
existing disability, a physical disability that I've had since I
was maybe three years old, which is one of those
kind of disabilities where I'm effectively rendered Like, I know,
my body doesn't work in the right way, and it
is one of those disabilities where with cannabis, I have

(23:49):
the ability to function like a normal, able bodied person
because of it. And because of that, I am able
to go to words, and I am able to do
my job, and because of that, I am able to
have participate in society.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
You know.

Speaker 15 (24:02):
It's like I've spent seventeen years of my life to say,
on all of the drugs possible, like chemotherapy, I'm one
of those patients that like is on chemotherapy drugs whilst
using like medicinal marijuana in this way, and yeah, it's
completely life changing.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Now, ju, if you don't mind me asking, and don't
answer this question, you don't, You don't have to if
you don't want to. But what what are the details
of your disciplinability?

Speaker 15 (24:32):
Yeah? So I have rheumatoid arthritis, which I guess a
lot of Yeah, a lot of people I suppose familiar with.
I mean, well, kid, I always joked that either your
grandparent or your dog had it, But no, I was
an eleven year old was it instead?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
And and then and then and the cannabis makes your
life functional? Like what how much does it make it
completely functional or.

Speaker 15 (24:56):
Just yeah, so it's it's because the thing is I mean,
it's it's funny. I kind of actually called because of
the kind of South Park quote that you mentioned, just
because I think that's definitely a take that a lot
of people have, is like, oh, it just makes you
lazy in that way with medicinal cannabis, people are able

(25:20):
to access medical advice from doctors. When they're accessing medicinal cannabis.
They don't just ask about if you're disabled and then
hands you over a little bag you weed like it
is completely It is a completely different situation that the
general public are not privy to, Like they really think

(25:42):
that people are just handing out like baggies left and right.
It's like, no, it's like the way I specifically take
it is through an oil, which is a tincture that
I have to leave sitting under my tongue. It's like, yes,
you can get prescribed flour and bud in that way,
but there's so many different realms of it. I suppose

(26:05):
there's so many different ways to access it. Hose, the
New Zealand market is always growing in that regard.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, well, I think it'd be a very cruel person
that would think that you shouldn't have access to medical
marijuana if it helps you with your situation. And of
course New Zealand legalized the use of medical cannabis in
twenty eighteen on the strict regulations. What's your thought about cannabis, Jay,
outside of medical cannabis, would you support the decriminalization of

(26:39):
across the board.

Speaker 15 (26:41):
Yeah, it's like I politically agree with it in the
way that it very much negates a lot of I
mean exactly what the report that you've been talking about
has been saying. It very much reduces a lot of
people's alcohol consumption and consumption of other drugs. And as
someone who is in those circles and those people like that,

(27:05):
I can definitely say that the effect of medical marijuana
within those communities is so important to be able to access. Like, yes,
this is a medicine, and many people use this as
a medicine, such as myself, but there are many people
that use it in ways that are less medicinal in

(27:26):
that regard, and then having access to a doctor with
the information and having that drug prescribed and regulated is
so much more. That's just infinitely safer than any sort
of black market.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Did you mention and it's great to check with you, Jay,
did you mention before that you've had or you currently
have some mental health issues?

Speaker 15 (27:48):
Yeah, yeah, I do. I would say I had them,
like I'm very well prescribed for them beyond medicinal cannabis.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, And I suppose My follow up question to that
is because you know a lot of people have them
in society and we want, we want medicine to be
able to help those people. But did you have greater
safeguards in place where the extra medical people that came
into the into the situation then when you ask for
medicinal cannabis, but you had those mental health issues as well, Like.

Speaker 15 (28:20):
Was the mental health specialists who asked about my medical use?
Do you mean that?

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah? Yeah, there was a dedicated doctor to assess that side,
but rather than the physical just the physical.

Speaker 15 (28:32):
Yeah, so that's I worked through with my personal therapist.
But it's different for everybody with the medicinal prescription, Like
you can go and see a doctor who was able
to prescribe these things. You can go to your GP
and ask for these things for depression, for anxiety, for

(28:53):
adhd yeh, Like it's an accessible thing if you have
that information.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, and because of course it can help some people
and be very bad for other people's mental health. So
it's you know, I guess that's something you'd want some
advice on. But hey, thank you so much for your call. Jay.
It's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
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Speaker 3 (29:30):
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Speaker 2 (29:31):
Essentially because we're talking about cannabis and alcohol and a
study that's found out that sixty percent of people responds
to the study that drank drank less when they were
smoking cannabis, and the similar results for people on myth
and fetamine meth in fetamine users took less methan fetamine.
I made a documentary a few years ago called Driving High,

(29:54):
where we went to Colorado around the legalization of marijuana
over there, and we were specifically looking into driving well
stoned and driving well drunk and driving well, drunk and stoned.
And I'll tell you what, you don't drive great because
because we're you know, we had a race track and
we had a lot of tests for people. It was

(30:15):
done under very safe conditions, but we had people driving drunk.
Not great, not great results. People driving stone better than
drunk drivers. People driving drunk and stone not good. Drunken
stone drivers are terrible, terrible, terrible drivers, as you would expect.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, how much were they drinking? What was the kind
of limit to be drunk?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, that's right. See that's the thing with all these
studies as well, because you know, you don't operate these
studies at the extremes. Yeah, you're not having We couldn't
get people black out drunk, you know, so.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
You've got to be able to get into the car
in the first But.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
It was quantifiable how much drinking and smoking marijuana impeded
your ability to make quite basic decisions. We had people
racing around tracks and a red light would randomly come on,
and who could stop and how quick they reacted and
not good when you're drunking stuff. Let's just say that much, Phil,
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 13 (31:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (31:15):
Good goodness?

Speaker 3 (31:15):
So I fellas Yeah, good good. What's your take on
this topic.

Speaker 16 (31:20):
Definitely in favor of cannabis over alcohol. Used to be
quite a heavy drinker and got in a lot of trouble,
stop drinking, making a bit of weeds, No worries. Haven't
been in trouble for for seen years, Phil.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Does that does the does the cannabis help you stop drinking?
That was the cannabis apart of your cutting back on
the alcohol.

Speaker 16 (31:46):
Well no, not not overly. It just just got suck
a good gidding in trouble. I always smoke, makes a
bit of weeds, probably since I was seventeen, Like I'm
in the late forties now, ye, and I'd prefer to
sit down and have a joint rather than a beer.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Mm hm.

Speaker 16 (32:03):
I feel I've got my works about me, but a
lot more than if I was half cut, you know,
the bear or didn't as you put it before, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
And and and not and I mean I don't want
to incriminate you, but do are you Are you on
medical marijuana or are you just purchasing it where you can?

Speaker 16 (32:25):
No, no medical marijuana. They probably wouldn't give it to
me because it's like I'm just a recreational user.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you could come up with it.

Speaker 16 (32:34):
Yeah, way better. I actually believe what the referendum. I
think it was skewest. Yeah, they were trying to take
there were' been a lot of people that voted no,
so they didn't lose an income m M. I think
that skewed the in favor of the nose.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah. So the question and the referendum was do you
support the proposed Cannabis Legislation and Control Bill and your
two options? Well, yes, I support the proposed Cannabis le
Legislation and Control Bill control bill. No, I do not
support the proposed Cannabis Legislation and Control Bill. I think
it had a better would have had a much better
chance of going through. I think they tried to do
the whole thing at once, and there were the bill,

(33:12):
the the Cannabis Legislation and Control Bill had had a
lot of caveats around marketing and and age limits and
all that that kind of stuff in there. But I
think if that actually just pushed for decriminalization rather than legalization,
which brought in a business side to it, Yeah, that
probably would have gone through.

Speaker 16 (33:29):
Fil Do you agree it's totally like Yeah, I think
too many people were going to lose income over it
being decriminalized, so there was no vote there anyway.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Well it's finished that because of the text that's come
through on ninety two nine two, I own a look
of supply company stuff cannabis, get rid of it.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Proves your argument, Phil, Yeah, yeah, just just the last
question Phil before you shoot off. So when you have
cannabis and you're a recreational user, do you just don't
want to drink? Is that what happens that you're enjoying
your high and if you start to have alcohol that
ruins there?

Speaker 16 (34:02):
Well, yeah, it's sort of when I get going to
have a few ales, I tend to have non and
just just get about lost and the stupid shirt and
don't think about the consequences too late. Yeah, when I'm
having a joint, I'm more likely to go and get
take the buskets out of the cabin.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, put some pink floyd on.

Speaker 15 (34:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I might have some belly related issues, but yeah, I
mean there's no doubt that. And look on the person
that there's no secret that I enjoy a drink. Just
being at the bear Feast across the weekend down in Dunedin.
But there's also no doubt that you do very stupid
things when you're being drinking. Absolutely, I mean that's part
of the reason why we drink is to be uninhibited.

(34:46):
Like I would not have been cutting up the d
floor like I was later on in the day if
I hadn't had a couple of quiet ales.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
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Speaker 3 (35:12):
News Talks AV It is eight to two quick text
and we'll go back to your phone calls. Hi, guys.
I was for the referendum until I went to the
USA and twenty nineteen visited Las Vegas for New Year's Eve.
While in Fremont Street, the people using cannabis didn't care
about others. It was smelly and my brother was so
sick when we got home from it that I went
no way from gazz Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
I went to New York again not so long ago
after having not been there for a while, and that
whole city absolutely stinks of cannabis, and you're on, Yeah, Tom.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
How are you mate?

Speaker 17 (35:44):
Hi there, I'm good, good m I've been a different
take altogether, being a previous addict about fifty years ago,
a cannabis addict.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Did you say, yeah?

Speaker 17 (35:55):
Now, I don't believe that self medication is a good thing.
I think it's a symptom of a sick society when
I look at it now, and I'm including alcohol on
that too when i'm because I think what happens is
that substance has become poisons as the intake increases, and
that like, for example, you know, a bit of more

(36:17):
fine if you've got a pain problem, the hospital is fine,
but you take a lot of it, it's a serious problem.
The same with alcohol. I mean, if you have a
lot of alcohol, you do a lot of damage to
your body, and it also you know, changes your moods
and all that sort of stuff, and you end up
struggling to keep your family together. And so I think
that really we're looking at it the wrong way somehow,

(36:41):
and I think that we benefit more from less poisons
in society rather than more. So that's the way I'm
looking at it. And you know, looking back, I'm one
of one of few really that have recovered from the
extreme problems that I had with marijuana.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Can you, if you don't mind, you know, describe some
of those what those problems were, Tom, I'll.

Speaker 17 (37:08):
Be I ended up in the cycle word and I
got electric shop treatment.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
How long ago was that?

Speaker 17 (37:14):
Fifty years ago?

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Wow? And so you in how was how was it manifesting?
You lost touch with reality?

Speaker 17 (37:25):
Oh? Look, of course, I mean if if you are,
if you're doing that sort of stuff, you end up
being unable to be sure of what reality is real.
And when you're a big part of it.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
When you mentioned you were addicted, Tom, how did that
manifest itself?

Speaker 17 (37:50):
Well, I mean, look, one of the things about it
was that back in those days, we didn't really know
what we were getting. And I think that some of
the stuff that you were buying off the street had
a lot of additives in it, and so it was
very very unregulated, not in a illegal sense, but in
terms of just the way that society was working in

(38:13):
those days. I mean, you never know what you were getting.

Speaker 12 (38:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
It's interesting because now over in Los Angeles, for example,
people say that the because people can do you know,
research on it and market it and work on what
they're selling. That it has become incredibly incredibly strong, quite
stronger than it was before. But you can at least

(38:39):
ask for it to be a lower dose. You can,
you can at least that that's some information that you
can have now that you wouldn't have you wouldn't have
had back then.

Speaker 17 (38:47):
Tom, Yes, and no, I think the thing is that
I think that what's available now is probably an awful
lot stronger than what we were on back then.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah, yeah, nicely, said Tom Andrew. Have got about sixty seconds,
how are you?

Speaker 18 (39:08):
Yeah, good mate.

Speaker 19 (39:08):
No, my take on it is my uncle, our seventy
long time smoker like myself, and he went to Canada
and when it legalized over there, they really pushed the edibles.
It just came on the market and they really pushed that.
That's what he didn't like. That's what I wouldn't like
to see happened in New Zealand. I was against was
for the referendum, but sort of against it after hearing

(39:29):
all that, and then the other thing that quickly is
that guy just spoke everyone is affected by cannabis differently,
like what everyone gets picted the same like, I've been
smoking cannabis my whole life. I'm fifty nine. Started when
I was about sixteen. But I'm not doing to abuse it.
He's for sleep and I have no problems with it.
But other people I know couldn't do that. Some people go,

(39:51):
some people can handle it, some people can't.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, I think people underestimate how powerful that drug is.
It can have a huge psychoactive experience on people. We
sort of put it down down the bottom and that
that's I'm not making any moral judgment on that. I
just it just can be very very powerful drug.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, particularly those edibles, right, I mean, because that is
a lot of the active ingredient in those edibles that
can do some bad things to people.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
I know a little guy who missed out on his
favorite band playing The Big Doubt once because they had
too many edibles.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
We're gonna hear more about it then.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Shortly.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
It is three to two.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Talking with you all afternoon against Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Welcome back into the show. Great to have your company.
Always seven past and we have been talking about a
new study on cannabis users and how much alcohol they
drink and myth they do.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, and you study, say sixty percent of cannabis and
alcohol uses say weed makes them drink less. So the
question is should we legalize it? I guess the elephant
in the room as is, are they unable to get
it now? Because even though cannabis isn't legal, I mean,
medical marijuana is available, but cannabis isn't legal. Cannabis laws

(41:05):
and penalties. Penalties associated the canvas range from a five
hundred fine for position to a fourteen year jail term
for its supplay or manufacture. But it seems to be
really very readily available. Yeah, So whether it's legalized or not,
I'm not I'll be interesting to know if that would
increase the availability of it or not. I've got this
interesting text through here on the issue on nine two

(41:26):
nine two afternoon, guys, any I was an everyday user
for seventeen years till the birth of my first child
six years ago. I'm totally against legalizing cannabis. I wasted
the best years of my use to the habit. Anyone
who claims it as an addictive is absolutely killing themselves.
Apart from the folks who suffered from chronic illness. It
should stay the way currently as that's from Jamie.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Good text there. Now you've been to LA after they
legalized cannabis.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
And in a number of places in the Colorado, New
York YEP.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
So I was a big yes man. But now that
those states have legalized it and I'm starting to see
reports of some of the issues popping up, I don't
know if I'm much as so much in the yes
camp as I used to be. I think I still am,
but clearly it needs to be done with a lot
of rigorous understanding of what the unintended consequences could be. Right,

(42:16):
And I don't know if America did that. What was
your take when you went to LA.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, well, I mean it's everywhere, yeah, And I mean
I guess it's like everything. So someone that's worked a
full day's job and they're not an employment where there's
a high risk of them damaging something, if they're not
driving a forklift, flying a pan or whatever, and they
have some gummies when they're on the couch when they
get home to relax, then I don't know. I mean,

(42:40):
it's pretty hard to see that as being a problem.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, but I know, do you know what?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
It just the whole thing just felt a bit grotty. Yes,
just you know, I've always been a big supporter of
legalizing marijuana as well, but I've never been a user
of marijuana. It doesn't work for me. It gives me
the willies.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
I don't like it at all. But that's just me personally,
and I think I'd be one of those people who's
whose mind is calibrated such that it I just can't
handle it, you know. And but as a result, I
don't use it. Some people that aren't as lucky it's
bad for them, and then they keep using it for

(43:19):
whatever reason. But yeah, it was odd actually because I
just did just feel a little bit grossy. It was
just everywhere, it's the whole place stunk, and same with
New York. Just every way it just.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Steaks like weeds.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah yeah, which maybe I only thought they were great
because it reminded me of flats I lived in. The
whole thing stunk like a student flat to me, the
whole country.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
David, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 18 (43:47):
Yeah, tremendous things, Yeah, very.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Well, what's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 18 (43:53):
I've done addiction recovery in prison for about the last
ten years on a voluntary basis, And every person that
I speak to in prison, they say that marijuana is
the gateway drag. So my and I've seen what happened
to my best friend at school. He went on to university,

(44:16):
was far more intelligent than what I was, and he
was at a university party one night and someone offered
him adjoint and he'd never tried it before, and sadly
he became a heroin addict. And I've got a granddaughter
who was in the same way, who her mum and
dad sent her over from Australia and she had started

(44:37):
off smoking a joint and had gone through the whole
process and her life was pretty much turned upside down.
So I look at it like this, if you don't start,
then you can't be a victim of the circumstances. And
I don't believe there's there's been enough, there's been enough

(45:01):
investigation into it to make it to make it legal.
I've only ever seen consequent of people who have started smoking.
And I've had friends who have committed suicide who started
smoking marijuana and gone through the whole process. And so

(45:25):
I'm dead against it.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I think it does have a big effect on people's
minds in a way that people can be quite trivial about.
And maybe I just say that because because when I've
had cannis before, so we've got a massive effect on
my mind. Yeah, but it is interesting because you know,
you say, David, but according to this study, alcohol methamphettering

(45:48):
top the list of New Zealand's most hartful substances, and
this is in a recent research paper. Well, cannabis was
ninth after tobacco and various opioids. But you're saying that
once you get into cannabis, But do you think that
the people that try cannabis were are the people that
are more open to trying drugs generally. So whilst it

(46:09):
may seem like a gateway, it's just that their mind,
they're the type of person that is interested in brain
altering substances.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (46:19):
Look, I certainly don't want to put I'm an addict,
so I don't I don't want to put any mind
altering substances into my body. Because I speak to other people,
to our addicts as well, and and they they share
with me that once they start that their morals collapse

(46:46):
and the next thing they're they're getting involved in things
that they have never wanted to be involved in, and
that We were discussing this in prison one day in
a group and and the question came up, are you
One of the guys in the group said, are you
telling us that then, that we aren't able to have

(47:08):
any fun? Or what about a little bit of fun?
And I said, oh, that's a great question. Let's discuss that.
And so we discussed it among ourselves. And one of
the guys there was he was on preventive detention for
being a bank robber and he had spent about the
last fifteen or eighteen years because every time he got

(47:30):
out of prison, he just went and robbed banks until
he got caught, and so he had robbed numerous ones.
And it came up and it said to him, what
about do you think that you could rob banks responsibly
if you just took a little bag and fell up
a little bag? So and so, you know, and the

(47:52):
discussion came up, what about a little bit of marijuana?
And everyone in the group said, no, that couldn't possibly
do that. What about a little bit of methanheta man?
I couldn't possibly And in the end the general consensus
was that a little bit leads to a lot.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, what do you said to this text here, David,
just come through a nineteen nine two. The caller said,
friend at a party offered a joint, therefore it's a
gateway drug. But was the friend drinking at said party?
So the question might be, is it marijuana that's the
gateway drug or is alcohol a gateway drug to everything else?

Speaker 18 (48:31):
Well, that's a great question. And as you said before,
different things affect different people, and so he was a
casual drinker, and it was just the fact that, you know,
maybe it was the fact that he had tried the alcohol,

(48:52):
and maybe his defenses might have been a bit down
and he tried something that you know, and there are
lots of people like that. And not only that, but
it's not only in drug addiction. It's all addictions that
people find themselves in that sort of situation.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
And do you think it is that the drug that
is the gateway, David, or when it comes to people
with addictions, it doesn't matter what drug they take, it's
that underlying trauma that gets them into trouble.

Speaker 13 (49:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (49:27):
Sure, you know, if you don't know, if you have
an addictive genes in your in your bank and and
so once you start something then unfortunately that there's unless
you get treatment, and you want treatment, there's no way back.

(49:48):
And as I said, you know, my granddaughter got sent
over from Australia and she was you couldn't sleep in
the in the bedroom, she was hearing demons and all
started from a joint.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Well, this this text here here says that the the gateway. Sorry,
just this text has just gone down there but I
can't find it. But basically what they were saying is
the reason why in this textas opinion, that cannabis is
a gateway drug is because you have to deal with
the criminal elements to get the drug. Therefore the other

(50:24):
other drugs are then offered to you from that. And
there's probably probably some truth in that if you're getting
it from if you're getting cannabis just from a supplier
that is that is government regulated and they're not going
to upsell you to methan, fetter, meine or heroine. No,
they're just going to sell that thing to you. But
addiction is an interesting thing. I mean, maybe I'll talk

(50:45):
about it a little bit later on, but I was
addicted to after I had broke my back. I became
heavily addicted to the painkillers they were giving me, and
that was that was a hell of a journey.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
I bet it was. Can you say what the drug was?

Speaker 4 (50:58):
What?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
It was just tramadol? Yeah it was. It was just tramadol.
And getting off the tramadol was probably the hardest thing
I've ever done in my life.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Yeah, well, let's talk about that very shortly. It is
seventeen pass two. But love to hear from you on
this one. And David, thank you very much for your
phone call Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty as
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Speaker 1 (51:21):
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Speaker 2 (51:27):
News Talk said, it's.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Twenty past two.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
We've been talking about a new study that say sixty
percent of cannabis and olcohol users say weed makes them
drink less. So should we legalize cannabis? As text on
nine two nine two. All the calls against so far
have been great arguments for legislation, regulation and education for
safe use. Another text here, Hey, guys. I think the
issue in terms of what makes a gateway is the

(51:51):
fact that there is an imperative for the supplier to
make money off you. This doesn't change just because it's legal.
In fact, the company's marketing products will find any number
of ways to make more from selling more product. Just
look at the vape stores as an example of what
that's done to our kids. I mean, that is true.
I mean that's why decriminalization probably would be in my

(52:12):
eyes anyway, it would be a better option. It seems
crazy to me that people get charged for cannabis use.
But yeah, when it becomes a business and people are
pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing it, then you're
going to get you to get more of it out there.
But I mean, as I say before, I think it's
pretty readily it's illegal now cannabis, whereas it definitely not

(52:34):
pushed as much as it used to. I was talking
to a you know, not attacked as much as it
used to. I was talking to a police officer who
was you know, operation in the seventies when need to
cover busted people for marijuana, and he's got a huge
amount of guilt for the people that he was involved
in putting away for it for a whole number of
years just for smoking marijuana.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah, it's definitely changed, that's for sure. Step Ahn, How
are you good?

Speaker 8 (53:00):
Thank you, great show as visual. Matt Tyler, thank you.
I just wanted to come in from the gateway perspective
as well. And just on the side note, I think
callers should definitely be prioritized out of the texts because
one of those texts just totally stole my thunder. But definitely,
it's definitely it's definitely a fact of exposing yourself to that.
Not the fact that smoking marijuana or taking any other

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drug makes you makes you more interested and tender to
try something other drugs. It's just exposing yourself to that
from underworld, you know, going to a Tenney house instead
of a shop or a pharmacy to get yeah, to
get some medical marijuana or something like that. And yeah,
that's that's actually pretty much what I had to say.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
But it was better coming from you from your mouth
than than me reading out a text message. Thanks you
so much for your course. Eighties the number. But yeah,
I mean, I mean that seems to be logical, doesn't it,
Because if you've got a marijuana seller that's regulated. They're
not going to upsell you to methamphetamy, no, whereas you

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wouldn't say that would be the same thing if you're
buying it off gang members. Yeah, I mean they've got
an incentive to upsell you to something that will absolutely
destroy your life.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Yeah, but just on the text or mention the vape stores,
And that's what I worry about. That's primarily why I've
changed from a hard yes to it. I don't know anymore,
because we've done it several times in New Zealand where
we think it's gonna be okay, and we open up
the flood gates and all of a sudden you've got
vape stores everywhere and kids kids are taking it to
school and all that sort of lava that it's not
well thought through the unintended consequences. I get that, but

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that's what I worry about, that if we do completely
legalize it, have we completely thought through all the ramifications
of what that could mean. And I say that as
a vapor I'm not getting on some high horts there.
I've got my wee vape pen in my hand right now,
not in the studio. I hope, Well, I'm not using it. No,
it's switched off.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Thank you very much, Matt, I certainly hope not.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Hey check the cameras. Check the cameras. Oh hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is twenty
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Speaker 1 (54:59):
Two Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight
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past two.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
You've been talking about cannabis and this is the text here.
Hey goes, you're into a good topic. I've been smoking
for fifty two years. I owned two businesses, have never
tried any other drug. I wake up at five am
and do a ten hour day, six days a week.
If you look for methic CX, so you're going to
you're going to get it. By the way, I don't
drink alcohol. It's from Steve. Thank you for your text.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Good tech. Steve Lee.

Speaker 20 (55:31):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Yeah? Good? What's your take on cannabis?

Speaker 20 (55:36):
Well, their last text you just read out is kind
of he's the kind of guys the problem for us
to get addicted to stuff, right because he's saying, go
go on, do it, you know, But I mean I
started when I was thirteen years old and managed to
crawl out of a twenty nine and I still I

(55:58):
still have issues with alcohol. So I'm trying to call
out of alcohol. At the moment, I manas to stay
away from from malwaana, but now I'm trying to call
out of alcohol. But you know, when I was no
one told me about it when I was young, because
I'm fifty two now, and the way I found out
about it was I smelt it one day and when

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walk that spells rather than what is that? And then
I found it. You know, I went out of my
way to find it because I wanted to know what
it was. And the thing is with marijuana, like you
smoke it and you get high from it, right, and

(56:39):
then as you smoke more and more, that high starts
getting harder and harder to get, so you smoke more
in a sitting. When you smoke to get higher, you
smoke more of it to get higher over a period
of time until you can't afford to smoke the amount
you need to get higher you want. So from there

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you're like, what can I get so I can get
high out? It won't take so much, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Yeah, I've had friends that have been heavy marijuana users,
and they couldn't A couple of them couldn't eat until
they had smoked weeed. They just the taste of food
was disgusting to them until the smoke wheat. So then
you'd have them driving all over town trying to get
some weeed just before they could have dinner. Did you

(57:31):
experience anything like that?

Speaker 20 (57:32):
Lea, Well, I couldn't afford to eat. Probably all my
money went on marijuana. And when so I was, my
stable diet was potato chips. You know, I buy a
lot of cag of potatoes and I cut them up
as chips. I'd eat them and vegiemi on toast. That's
what I survived on for quite a long time.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
And how did you manage to cut back on marijuana?
You said you did it when you're about twenty nine.
How did you manage that?

Speaker 14 (58:03):
Well?

Speaker 21 (58:03):
I called turkey the twenty nine after I got stabs,
and after I got the situation was stabbing and hid
in the back, and then I started getting anxiety attacks.

Speaker 20 (58:19):
And when they basically diagnosed me with anxiety, depression, and
shell shock, and I was like, you mean all three
at once?

Speaker 3 (58:31):
But had some good reasons to quit cannabis.

Speaker 20 (58:34):
Yeah, but that really wasn't the main reason I did
is because I had gone from cannabis to also you know,
led snug a joint take a line of speed where
if there was an acid tab available, I'd grabbed that
magic mushrooms and I mean I went to the hospital
and I had too many magic mushrooms one time and
walked out of there just like what is going on

(58:56):
in my life?

Speaker 21 (58:57):
You know?

Speaker 2 (58:58):
And you said that you so you got rid of
the marijuana and you and you're off other drugs. But
you were saying now that you ever struggled with alcohol?
Is that true?

Speaker 20 (59:09):
I wasn't touch on at the time, right. So they
have a place called Hamder Clinic. They used to there
and some very brilliant guys were in charge of that,
and so I called Turkey that one day I just
went down. I actually lived in the mountain. It's quite
close to the police station. And I got all my stuff,
went down the police station. Rubbishmen was in front of it,
just shoved it all in there and then walked away.

(59:32):
It was kind of like saying that's it, you know,
coming back and then from there I was like, well
I need to find some help now. So I looked
for NA Arcotics Anonymous and I went to see them,
and I went to what they considered counseling through Hamdic Clinic,
through the doctor, and they were brilliant, you know, so

(59:54):
because I wanted to understand why I was. I had
a like, why was I needing it when some other
people didn't, you know? And so I wanted to understand
it more. And they said to me, then you can't
have alcohol. And if you have an alcohol, like you say,
I'll get rid of the marijuana and I'll just have alcohol, right,

(01:00:14):
and then I won't be addicted to marijuana. But they said,
you'll get addicted to alcohol. I was like, and you'll
go back to drugs, that's the other thing they said.
But I never went back to drugs. But I I
just couldn't, like I wouldn't say I was addicted to alcohol,
but I still needed that sort of a high or
sort of that way to just get away.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
And are you are you have you reached out to
anyone to try and get off get off alcohol.

Speaker 20 (01:00:42):
I've tried. I'm at the moment on cold I'm cold
Turkey on five days now, this cold Turky off as well,
but it's I mean there's other stuff there, right. The
doctors that I had ADHD when I was young, which
everybody you know, yeah, quotes with ADHD. It's like you're

(01:01:03):
sort of medica medicating yourself. Right to give yourself normal,
is what they say. But I don't know whether I
had that or not. I don't even know if that exists.
I just know that I got stuck on marijuana because
it was I remember when I was in the middle
of it, I felt like if I didn't have marijuana,
it wasn't even worth being alive, you know. And I

(01:01:27):
thought when the idea of giving up marijuana was like,
I had a bud tattooed on the side of me.
That's how intensely I loved it, you know.

Speaker 19 (01:01:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:01:38):
And and now I've tattooed over that because I go
against it. Now it's not funny. And it's not because
I want to stop people having fun. I just know
the damage it can do. And not only has damage me,
it's it's damaged my family, Like my parents went through
absolute hell with me because I had these mood swings.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for sharing the story
of this link.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Yeah, very brave. Right, that is where we'll leave it
one more weeks to finish up. Hey Matt, I'm curious
about the band your friend missed at the big day out.
Which band was it? Please? Great show and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
My friend when I had the when this person rode
against machine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Oh no, that's not the one you want to miss.
Thank you. Great discussion. Right after the headlines, we are
going to chat about Christmas trees.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Oh Christmas trees.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Oh Christmas tree.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
I didn't actually get round to finishing off the half
story I told about my addiction to pain collers.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Oh okay, we'll get that very short.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
We should get that one out of us. I leave
people hanging.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Okay, let's talk about tremdole first, then Christmas trees. It
is twenty seven to three.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Thank you, Ray Lean twenty three to three. Just before
we move on to the next topic, man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I was just the same. We
were talking about addiction before and I was, you know,
and what people are going to get addicted to.

Speaker 14 (01:04:23):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
You know, around marijuana, and a few callers for people
who were talking about their addiction with marijuana. I got
a I had my had back surgery when I broke
my back, and the surgery got delayed quite a lot,
so I was left on the painkillers, the tramadole for
quite a long time, and I was just complete. I'd

(01:04:49):
never been addicted to anything before in my life, and
I was absolutely fully addicted to these things. Yeah, taking
way more than I should. And then when the surgery
had been done, I stayed on it for much longer
than I should. And when I decided to have to
get off them, I can't remember about two years of
my life. I was functioning person. I was going around.
I was amazing at putting the kids to bed and

(01:05:10):
stuff because I was so so quiet, but I wasn't
creating memories. It was quite a bizarre time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
How long were you on them for?

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
God gosh, eighteen months?

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
And then and then when I finally got decided I
had to do them, I got some great advice from
my father who just read something and he said, don't
take well, you've still got some. Don't don't take the
last one. So I just put them on the end
of by the TV on the other side of my
bedroom and then just locked myself from the room and
stared at them for about two days of just scratching.

Speaker 18 (01:05:41):
And it was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Horrible getting off them.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
It's a proper train spotting moment.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
It was. It was full on and at that point,
because I'd never really been that sympathetic to people with addiction,
I didn't really understand it. And it is an intense thing,
like your entire body and the paranoia and the self
hatred and the every part of your body hurting. It's intense.

(01:06:06):
That sounds horrible and intense getting off the tram And.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
How long what two days that you just had to
go through hell before it started to get better?

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Yeah, not sleeping, just it was horrible. Now to this day,
if anyone mentioned stramadol, I like, no, I'd love to
have a tremdal right now, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Love But yeah, great story. Right, let's have a chat
about Christmas trees. There has been some concern over the
costs spent on Auckland's new Fandangle Christmas tree one point
two million dollars hard of the city Vibec. She says
the cost of the tree was being split three ways.
An Auckland Council's portion was coming from a rate paid
by the city center property owners, businesses and residents, not

(01:06:44):
from the general rates. She said that they committed when
we had to retire center, the Ugly Center just before COVID,
that we would bring a significant you Christmas activation to
the central city and we're absolutely delighted that the precinct
properties an Auckland Council has acknowledged the priority of rejuvenating
the central city with this beautiful new one point two

(01:07:05):
million dollar tree. She went on to say, we want
to be able to at families here to the inner
city brings some magic. Other cities invest in Christmas and
it's the biggest trading month of the year, so we
wanted to do something special.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
So a one point two million dollar Christmas tree, which
it's one of those moments that we keep having in
New Zealand where we can't believe how many how much
things cost. I mean, it's a great Christmas tree. It's
eighteen meters tall, more than ten thousand aled lights, four
thousand Pudakawa flower decorations, two hundred giant baubles, and they

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believe it will lasts less ten years one hundred and
twenty four thousand dollars a year. But when I hear
a tree like that, I go, well, even one hundred
thousand dollars seas a lot for it. Yeah, for a tree,
I mean one point two million dollar. If you're actually
just going to build a fully functional house for one
point two million dollars, if you get about the land,
good point, and you would be creating something incredibly spectacular.

(01:08:03):
We're talking five bedrooms with en sweet bathrooms, living areas
for a one point two million dollar build. That's phenomenal.
So I'm in two minds about this because you know so,
Auckland rate Payers Alliance spokesperson Sam Warren said, it's a
bit of a shame. I find myself being the Grinch

(01:08:23):
this year. But I wouldn't be doing my job if
I didn't question the spending. I think it's too much.
You can't help, but wonder if it could have been
done for less. It does seem like the Christmas tree
could be done for less than one point two million dollars.
Having said that, love a Christmas tree, and I love
Christmas and I love the idea of people in the
city going into town to have a tradition around a

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really amazing Christmas tree, you know, the turning on of
the lights, of course, I mean very famous. What happens
in the Rockefeller Park plaza in New York City with
that Christmas tree. There's something very very cool about it.
So you know, if there's one thing, and look, I'm
biased on this because I love everything to do with Christmas.
It's my favorite time of the year. It's the most
wonderful time of the year. I mean, one of my

(01:09:08):
biggest regrets about my kids getting older is because I
can't enforce the level of Christmas celebration I have on them.
A whole month of listening to Christmas tunes. I love it.
I used to climb on the roof and pretend to
be center and n little boughs.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
It's nice.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
I freaking love Christia to get into it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I love it. It's such a magical time of the year.
So I'm all for a big, cack ass Christmas tree
for people to celebrate what's a very very beautiful season.
But one point two million it just leads to the
wider question of why does everything costs so much to
make in New Zealand, especially if there's a government department

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involved in it or a city council.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Well, this one's meant to last twenty years, so what
does that bring it to per year? It's about fifty
thousand dollars give all take. That's still a lot of money.
And look, I get one point two million dollars for
a tree. There is a heck of a lot of money.
But I'd far prefer a tree than a speed bump.
Speed bumps are about that one point two million a tree,
way nice or way more fun.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Where's your one point two billion dollar speed bump?

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
I will find your speed from one point two million,
don't worry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
There's the peanut shaped roundabout in Dunedin out near by
the beach that cost I think it was one point
two million, and that was impressive. It was impressive that
you can have been that much on a round about. Yeah,
but I mean I would want to see if I say,
if it's a one point two million dollar tree, I
want to be blown away. I want to fall over
back with this Christmas good cheer. I want to be
immediately start singing Santa Clauses coming to town as soon

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as I see it. I want it to be like
the end of mal the end of Elf.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
In terms of the amount of Christmas spirit, I want
it to be able to so much Christmas spirit it
can feel Sandus sleigh for one point two million.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Right, let me try and sell it to you. So
this tree eighteen meters tall, how are you feeling now?
You feel in the Christmas spirit?

Speaker 19 (01:10:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
As I said before, eighteen meters tall, ten thousand dollard lights.
That's impressive for forty four thousand per decor, flower decorations,
two hundred giant bables. I mean it's flash Yeah, that's
a nice tree. Yeah. I mean I haven't seen it yet.
And it's made from solid material that's very different from
an inside of a maul tree. It has to endure
the elements. It's stainless steel. It's outside and as they say,

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they're hoping that lasts at least ten years, which is
one hundred and twenty four thousand dollars a year. If
it lasts for ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty, how do you feel
about this? Is this money? Well spent one point two
million for this new fandangle Christmas tree for Auckland or
is it just crazy? Love to hear from you nine
two nine two We are we teased to the break.
You mentioned the Rockefeller tree there. How much do you
think that costs on a yearly basis? Because it is

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a real tree, it's donated each year, but there is
a cost associated to it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
It's a massive tree. Yeah, yeah, bringing that in.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
If you think you know nine two nine to twos
you want to take a.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Step, I'm going to say two hundred thousand dollars a year.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Yeah, two hundred two.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Hundred thousand dollars a year. Yeah, I mean that's another question.
This tree that we've got here is gonna last ten years?
Could we not have just hacked hacked down a big
tree and put it on a truck and brought it
into town every year? You can find an eighteen meter
pine tree out there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Yeah, well, just on that questioning you befo real or fake?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Real all the way? Yeah, yeah, real Christmas tree. You
can't go fake, you can't. It's it's the pine needle smell.
It's the most it's one of the most important parts
of Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty Love to hear your
thoughts on this one. It is bang on quarter to three.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams is taking your calls on oh,
eight hundred eighty eth and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about
the one point two million dollar price tag for Auckland's
new Christmas tree. It's caused some concern considering the situation
we're in right now, that there's not enough money for anything.
I mentioned before. The Rockefeller Tree, very famous tree in
New York.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
And the Rockefeller Plaza. It's put up there every year.
That's a real tree.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Yeah, it is a real tree. So I asked the question,
how much do you think it costs per year to
bring an the Rockefeller Tree? This Texas says, I reckon
about seventy thousand yu Wes pretty close, So I'll just
read this out. Estimates say it would cost more than
seventy three thousand dollars year Wes with all things considered,
while the tree itself has donated, it's even a huge

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cost for a gift of that magnitude that would need
to be added expensive transporting something that heavy, all those
two hundred miles. That's not to mention the cost of
electricity to keep all those lights going every day from
six am to twelve am for more than forty days.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
I mean, but if you think about it, So that's
a seventy foot tall Norway spruce from West Stockbridge and Massachusetts.
That's the tree they're putting up there in the Rockefeller
Center this year. Beautiful around Christmas. If you've been in
New York round Christmas, I haven't known. You've got the
ice skating down there in the Rockefeller Center, you've got
the tree. It's incredibly beautiful, fantastic. But they're having to
bring that tree, in the real tree with cranes into

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New York City. It's a very very very complex place
to try and get anything done. And seventy thousand, so
what are we saying about one hundred forty thousand New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Roughly yep, About the same as this tree in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
About the same as this tree in Auckland, which is
one point two million, But they're expecting it to operate
for ten years, which is one hundred and twenty four thousand,
So very similar that tree, the one in Auckland's going
to be eighteen meters high, so shorter, shorter than the one.
But then even you've got to ask about how much
the tree is. I mean, does that one point two million?

(01:14:36):
Does that just the construction of the stainless steel tree
or does that also include the security around it and
the installation and the storage? Yeh is it more than that?

Speaker 13 (01:14:47):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Yeah, good point. I mean this text is on that point.
Don't forget. Storage will be one hundred thousand dollars if
it's a government job installation, one hundred k remove or
one hundred k. There will be security watching it while
it's up as well and gets put away for ten
months of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
It was always weird when you saw the big Santa
Claus when he wasn't up again it's the farmer's building. Yeah,
he was, you could there was a there was an
area you could find him. They kept him in a
sort of a large field and bits. It's quite terrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Why did they get rid of that ugly center? Speaking
as a South Islander who's just comed up to Auckland, yeah,
I know it was very controversial, but what it was
his time to go. It was too much to keep
repairing them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
I think I think it was it was too hard
to repair. I think it wasn't that he was creepy
with his little finger, this little cum heather finger. I
don't think he was put away for creepiness. I think
it was, if I remember rightly, it was just falling
to pieces, and it was it was too hard to
put it. Put him up every year. It was. It
was very odd because you had that Santa Claus for

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a while looked pretty creepy, and then they gave him
some plastic surgery like a face lift. They did his
eyes and they did his forehead and tried to make
him look less creepy, and spect failed terribly. I mean, whoever,
it was a different era when you thought that Santa
Claus with a come heather finger and just one winking
eye was was going to be good cheer.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Yeah, simpler times quick chet year. Funny, how we're all different.
I haven't had a Christmas tree for twenty five to
thirty years. I don't celebrate it really, apart from having
some cigars and moonshine on the back porch on my
own from Tony and Tony.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
That's why Santa has troublepowering a sleigh because it's powered
on people believing in Santa Claus.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Right, it is eight minutes to three. Will take some
of your phone calls very surely. You're listening to Matt
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Speaker 7 (01:16:52):
Have there anyone thought about the.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Cost of the tree in Trafalgar Square?

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
No? How much does the tree in Trafalgar Square cost?

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
I know it's a gift from the people of Norway
to the people of England.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Yeah, since the war.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
But I would say that a cost of four watch
and trying to get that but it would be eighteen
trade to meters high. Yeah, it would. You imagine getting
that into the city of London.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
So there must be something about Norwegian trees because the
one they use at the Rockefeller Center in Norway is
also a Norwegian spruce.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Yeah. Good trees.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Shape, I think, yeah, right, tall people in tall trees. Yeahay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
What was the story about Norway giving it to England?

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
It was a gift of the people of Norway after
the war, because of course Norway was under the domination
of the Nazis.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Right, and so as a big, big, big thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
Yeah, it's a gift in perpetuity and it's continued all
these years.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
And I wonder if Norway pay all the expenses or
they just dump dump a seventy four foot tall tree.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
They could probably afford it better than the Palms can
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Yeah, noise on that sweet oil money.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
Yeah, now that's a good point, Tony. And when it
was the last time, When was the last time you
saw the Trafalgar Square tree?

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
I've never been to London in winter. It's two you
don't move very well. It's a long time since I
came to live in New Zealand, but it's not easier
to get around England in winter. Yeah, it wasn't when
I was a boy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Yeah. No, nice to hear from your Tony, as always,
thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (01:18:27):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
I think Matt, judging by the texts coming through, that
people are not so happy with the one point two
million dollars spent on this tree. They love Christmas, but
as you said, you could probably do it for one
hundred k you reckon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Oh yeah, I'm not going to tree up for much
cheaper then one point two million, but I will, how
we ever, go down and admire it because I love
I love a good Christmas tree, and this one does
sound like it is going to be spectacular. Eighteen meters tall,
ten thousand elarity lights, four thousand per car flowers and
two hundred giant bore.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Three to three news talks it'd be. It is twenty
two past three and we're talking about personality on the field,
whether good or bad. On the back of the AB's
Ireland Test match.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Yeah, Ricco Youannie, all Black midfielder has clapped back at
Johnny Sexton and a cheeky social media post after All
Blacks victory over Ireland has spat with Johnny Sexton is famous.
After that fantastic victory from the All Blacks against Island
and the World Cup, he Rico had some words with
Johnny Sexton that were written up in his book and

(01:19:32):
it's continued on with a put that in your book comment.
So yeah, after the after the final whistle blue he
said to he said to Johnny Sexton, don't miss your
flight tomorrow. Enjoy your retirement.

Speaker 5 (01:19:44):
You word, we.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Don't say on the radio. So the question is, really,
do is that what we want? Because I think for
the longest time, all blacks, particularly but sports people in
New Zealand, we've kept them very vanilla. They've kicked every
question to touch and we've tried to remove the personality
from sports people to the point where press conferences seem boring. Boring, Yeah,

(01:20:05):
they're boring, it's just cliches. I think it's good to
find out, Rika Yoani. It doesn't necessarily mean he's a
good person. He's a great player, but is he a
good person who knows it's good? It's good to see
some personality, Yeah, good or bad. I like it and
draws me into the game.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
What do you think?

Speaker 6 (01:20:23):
Well, I just think you know, you guys need to
cast your mind back a little way. There was a
particular player we had it goes by. The name was Fitzpatrick.
Yes he was. He was very well known for her
subtle sledge Ye, and you know he was he was

(01:20:44):
our leader. There's another one as well, dirty Dane Coles. Yes,
Dane very yeah, very very well known for his as sledging.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Yeah, I mean that that's that's on the field, but
I guess it moves it to a different level slightly, Gregg.
Do you think because what we've done here is the
All Blacks know about the thing between Ricco, Yoanni and
Johnny Sexton, and they know how the Irish people fans
feel about it and the build up to it. So
having him lead the hacker seemed to me to be

(01:21:20):
a move towards basically racking up that situation as much
as we could.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Pouring gas on that fire.

Speaker 6 (01:21:29):
Well, I know, I don't see it that way at all.
How do you see it, Greg, Johnny Sexton, he rode it,
he put it in his book, so then it becomes
public knowledge. You know, maybe it was just a no
honor for Rico to lead the hacker.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
So you don't you don't think that was You don't
think that was trolling at all by the All Blacks?

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Not at all. Is it good for the game? Is
it good for the game in terms of drama, because
that's our field drama, right? Is that good for the game?

Speaker 16 (01:22:00):
I think?

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
So you don't think so?

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
I do?

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Oh yeah, we want to know.

Speaker 6 (01:22:06):
More, a little bit more, a little bit more spice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Yeah, I well, thank you so much for your call, Greg,
I agree, I agree that I actually, I actually think
that they did put him to lead the huker for
a bit of trolling.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
But dragon that was Barrett or Robertson or he just
said I want to lead it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
I've got no idea, but they certainly didn't shy away
from the controversy, is what i'd say. And I think
that's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Yeah. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It's twenty five past three.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Jason, Mate, get a what do you reckon?

Speaker 11 (01:22:50):
Not for me?

Speaker 13 (01:22:53):
I might talk and the producer or the no.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
No're on the show now, No, you're okay?

Speaker 13 (01:22:57):
Mate, Hey guys, No, Look, first of all, I want
to say, I'm all in for people, you know, sports
people expressing themselves on the field, right, all in for that.
But almost with the all black sleds, I feel it's
bit of a no go zone. And I use Ali
Williams an example, and I think I can safely recite something,
you know, the Godfather talkt back, old Meridika said, if

(01:23:19):
he hadn't been such a you know, a larigant on
the field, he might have been better. I think it
depends on the individuals, Like if you've got that quirky
way about you that he can pull it off, all
for it. But all that's always been, you know, synonymous
about letting the on field performance silence the opposition. And

(01:23:39):
I've got no issues with Raised Robinson doing his breakdancing
and acts. I think that's he's that quirky sort of
guy that can pull it off and I'm all for that.
But I'd rather let the sports people they're all backs anyway,
dear off the issue on the field, and that's just
basically outsmart the opposition. And if you start trying to
turn them into comedians and sledges and all that which
is confined to the Australian cricket team, then I'm worried

(01:24:03):
that we're going to still lose the whole focus and
aura of the all backs, which is basically nine two
percent of the time we just let the performance on
the field take care of all that other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
But Jason, what do you The All Blacks are sort
of on a bit of pressure there's a lot of
competition from other sports going along, and a lot of
competition for eyeballs across a lot of things from young
people particularly, and so the All Blacks absolutely aura and
and something we're very very proud of as a nation.
And then the way they behave. But having said that,

(01:24:35):
going into the future, maybe for their popularity and for
interest in the game, we might need to see a
little bit more of what these All Blacks actually are
as people so we can we can follow them just
a little bit more closer.

Speaker 13 (01:24:51):
Yeah look, yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Like I think,
I think, you know, the captain. We don't want an
old stereo type cliche press match interviews. That's boring. Oh
you know, the game of two hours all that stuff.
If the guys really think the opposition got in their
face and annoyed them and they want to get in
the next time, say it at the press conferences. But

(01:25:11):
let the build up to the test test match take
care of itself, and you know, let the captain have
free license and these things, you know, they're so predictable,
aren't they. I mean, Richie was the Roger Federer of
test matches. You know, I'm very careful what he said
in that. But again, he didn't have that personality. He's

(01:25:31):
not a born comedian. And I look, I'm probably rambling
a bit, but I really want our top all blacks
to express themselves and be given a bit of free license.
But rather than do that after they've done the bizo
on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Yeah, I mean, there is always the problem a few
mouth off before the game and then you lose. Then
that's like losing twice. I mean, you know, one of
the mouthiest people in sport would be Connor McGregor, UFC Fighter, IRS,
UFC fighter. You mail may not. I'm and I'm a
fan of his, but he goes too far. I believe

(01:26:07):
he goes too far and is in his pre game
mental you know, mental gymnastics with people you know, and
then when he when he loses, it's it just seems
all the more pathetic because you've because you've said all
that stuff. But I mean that's sport. Combat sports is
a bit different. There's a big tradition in trying to
run up the box office numbers and the attendants by

(01:26:30):
people either being in professional wrestling, it's called either being
a face or a heel, so you actually select whether
you're going to be the good guy or you're going
to be the person that says terrible things. Both ways
are a pathways to certain amount of success.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
What about curios Ni Karios? Tennis is bad boy. He
hasn't really achieved much. You know, good player, but he
hasn't got close to Grand Slam.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Hey, he's just a terrible human beings, absolutely terrible human being,
and that it does bring attention to the sport, but
that definitely hasn't helped him.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
No, but I'll watch a game that he's on just
because I know he's going to flip out. Oh, eight
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Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Thank you very much. Rayleen. It is twenty four to
four and we are talking about Rico Yoani on the
back of him leading the haker.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Yeah, and you know, just generally bad boy behavior in
sports and racking up the opposition and sledging and such,
and whether we think that maybe are all blacks and
our sports people in general behave in a bit of
a vanilla fashion and maybe want to see a bit
more personality from them in press conferences in the.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Light Oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty, I'll just throw
a name at you, and it will be controversial about
whether this this athlete is a bad boy or not.
Tiger Woods.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Uh, well, yeah, I mean he said a few things
here and there. I mean he was definitely a bad
boy off the off the off the field, off the course.
But I don't know, I mean, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
What did it do him any favors in terms of
getting eyeballs on screens when he was playing golf. After
what happened to him and the situation with his wife
and everything else. Do you think that aided his career
or did did worse things for his career?

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
He people followed Tiger Woods and bought He brought more
people to golf than anyone had before because of how
good he was. Primarily, I don't think. I don't think
he's antics. And you know, every now and then he
said a few snarky things from from here and there,
but it was always how good he was, and then
maybe we were watching him and I remember when you know,
we've always been interested. He can come back, but I

(01:30:08):
mean that's a lot of it's to with his injuries.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Yeah, Melanie, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 20 (01:30:13):
Hi?

Speaker 15 (01:30:14):
Guys?

Speaker 22 (01:30:14):
How good things?

Speaker 14 (01:30:15):
How you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
You great? Good to chat? Do you like the bad
boys in sport?

Speaker 22 (01:30:19):
I love the bad boys all around. I remember I
was growing up in the seventies and I just didn't
really care much about sport except when the tennis was on,
because I wanted to see John McEnroe throw his racket
and say you cannot be serious. And I actually still
use that expression, and people of an age to know

(01:30:40):
what I meant.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think there's no doubt that
John mcenroy's McEnroe's terrible behavior brought people to brought more
people to tennis.

Speaker 22 (01:30:49):
Yeah, oh absolutely. And you know you can keep your
goody two shoes cricket boys. We want the We want
the people with the spark and the passion and the feistiness.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Yeah. So when it comes to Rico Yoanni, you love
the fact that he's doubled down, Well, yeah, I wouldn't.

Speaker 22 (01:31:08):
Say I love, but you know what, we're trying to
encourage everybody these days to be really authentic and not
suppress their true spark and the true spirit. So yeah,
we we love, we love, we love a bit of
bad behavior, and you know, because it also makes us
feel like, you know, these celebrities and sports people aren't perfect,

(01:31:31):
and neither are we.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean tennis is really really set up
for the mountdown. For a start, Tennis players are often
quite strange people because they so many thousands of hours
by themselves and it's all focused on them. And the
really weird thing about tennis players is after the after
a match, they talk about themselves in the press conference,
as opposed to if you're a rugby player, you talk
about the team and so you're representing the team. So

(01:31:55):
a tennis player can, I guess, express their personality more.
But I know Serena Williams, that temp potential she threw
at the US Open final, that was that wasn't that?
That was quite something.

Speaker 20 (01:32:08):
I don't forget.

Speaker 22 (01:32:10):
You don't forget these things, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
You don't. It's it's a bit different if it's if
it's if it's having a go at other players or
if it's having a go yeah at another team, but
it is, it's a bit it's a bit much sometimes
when it's having a go at an official. I mean,
what was someone to be able to tell me on
nine two nine two, who was the tennis player recently,
that that was incredibly rude to the ball girl. She

(01:32:36):
was throwing her the ball and she was bouncing it
and she wouldn't take the ball and she was just
standing there. That just that I know from that that
that person is a bad person, and it doesn't make
me think that they're like Rico. You only had some
funny comments. He made some funny comments to Johnny Sexton.
There was some clear it was. It was clever, but
she is just a bad person. If you if you're
mean to a to a ball girl, you're just a

(01:32:58):
bad person.

Speaker 22 (01:32:59):
Yeah, yeah, you mean to waiting stuff as well?

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Then yeah, that's yeah, that's right, that's undercent melody.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Thank you very much of a great afternoon, Thanks for
giving us a buzz. Quick text here down and dirty fellers.
Have you seen Sam kaine hed stitches in today's Herald
A wound inflicted by the Irish?

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Yeah, boy, oh boy, I mean Sam Kaine, I love him,
but that that looked like he had been and it
looked like some footage from World War Two. It looked
like he was being taken off the battlefield. His face such.
I mean that guy. I love Sam Kane so much.
He just gives so much to the team.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
He puts his body on the line is time, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
He Yeah, I mean you can back him and you
can love him, and you know, I love how the
feelings towards him have turned around since since the World
Cup from the public. But that's another way you can
bring people to the game, just by being getting your
head down and just being an absolute hero. That that
that also brings interest into the game and fan worship.
Yeah as well, I mean Sam Kaine, what a great man.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
You'd put Richie in that camp as well.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Yeah, I mean Ritchie people love him, but so boring
in an interview, so very very boring in an interview.
But it didn't matter because he was Richie mccaughr. And
he was just incredible. You know, he's playing with a
broken foot, yeah he's and you know, and there's there's
a lot of talk internationally about Richie McCaughan not as
loved in New Zealand as he is in New Zealand

(01:34:23):
and widely seen around the world as a dirty player,
but he got results. But in New Zealand he's up
there with Sir Redmond, Hillary and Charles Upham.

Speaker 6 (01:34:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear your
thoughts on this one. Bad boys and girls on the field.
Is it entertaining? Do you like to see that more
of the personality of the players come out or do
you like them to be a bit more vanilla and
they do the deed on the field? Nine two ninety
two is the text number. It is eighteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Your new home of afternoon tour man Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoon call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
Talk said, be good afternoon. It is a quarter to
four and we're talking about personality on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Yeah, so we're talking about Richie mcaw before, who was
always he kept things to touch in interviews. He was
never saying full on stuff. He wasn't getting involved in
public spats like Rico Yuani is. I think you need
both people. Hey, Richie didn't need to be a bad boy.
He did his talking on the field. I'm all about
respect given, respect received, especially from a national team. This

(01:35:29):
and other text I think is interesting and we'd love
to hear on eight hundred eighty ten eighty your favorite
bad boys of sport. But Muhammad Ali the greatest boxer
and even greatest sledger. Yeah, I mean Muhammad Ali changed
changed that for the world. But he was a next
level sledger. I mean the stuff he did to George

(01:35:53):
Foreman phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Yeah. Well there, I mean he kind of started the
idea of trash talk, right. He understood the entertainment side
of things, the theater aspect, and really brought it to
the four I've got to say, and I know you
mentioned him before, but one of my favorite that got
into you if he was Connor McGregor. I thought he
brought such energy and the trash talk was next level.

(01:36:15):
He didn't hold back, but clearly that he's a smart
guy that he knew if he was going to make
it in that sport, he needed to push the envelope
and wrap people up and get offensive.

Speaker 15 (01:36:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
I mean, if you're going to fight someone in the octagon,
then you want to have every single advantage you can
and if you can get someone to lose their call
because they hate you so much. It's a massive advantage absolutely.
I mean, of course he went too far on a
number of occasions, having bottles at buses with people that
aren't and you know, damaging people that an' even involved in.
The fight was a big one. Trovianny Jones for a

(01:36:46):
bad boy. Mike Tyson wasn't exactly Mary Poppins either. I mean,
Mike Tyson has said some of the craziest stuff that
you can't even repeat. You can't even believe some of
the crazy stuff that Mike Tyson has said. And he
can't either. He's in interviews he said that he doesn't
even know who that person was that he used to
be when he was the baddest man of life. He's
kind of getting it back for this fight he's got up.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
That's this weekend, isn't it against Jake Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
He's been saying some pretty crazy stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Yeah, this Texas is Dennis Rodman, the Lady Gaga of basketball.
Rodman did not disappoint with his freegess looks and antics
on the court, and he was also part of a
winning team.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Yeah that's right, the Bulls. But he very crazy man,
good friends with Kim john On. He's over in North Korea,
bit partying on the special North Korean party island that
you can only be on if you're a part of
the ruling family.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Yeah, he was next level when he came. I mean
part of that that Chicago Bulls team. But that was
like as a player, something people had never seen before.
I mean it was a little bit before my time.
But the way that he dressed, the way that he
acted certainly was unique. And basketball wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Yeah, but he was amazing on a rebound. Hey, guys,
I'm all for X factor and personality. There is less
and less of it in all sports, but rugby has
some of the more civil fans in sport. I reckon
more players like Rico and Pom and Patty, players celebrating
their shoelaces being tied. We'll just rack up the crowds
more and people being the simple idiot society. And with

(01:38:13):
teacher's parents and police not on the same page but
all unable to anyway of this text really went off
the rails halfway through.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
But just where this conversation started, Johnny Sexton and Rico Yoanni.
I think Sexton brought a little bit of that on himself.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
He's been an absolutely annoying winga for his entire career. Yeah,
so I think that that helps because if the target
of if the target of your abuse is someone that
is seen to deserve it. That's what I's talking before. Like,
if you're hastling a ball you know, a ball boy
or a ball girl at the tennis, and you're a
big superstar getting paid a lot of money, then that's

(01:38:48):
one thing. But if there's a winging, annoying player at
Johnny Sexton, you it was it was an unleashing of
something that a lot of us had felt about him
over over a long period of time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Would you call him a bad boy? Johnny Sexton just
a Winjo?

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Really just just a bird of a Winjo. I mean
great player absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Uh text to get guys, best sledge ever. Shane Warn
came onto the field to bat and one of the
English said, you've put on a lot of weight warning
towards Warning replied yes, every time I know the indie.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Yeah, that's a that's a very famous one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Yeah. Oh eight one hundred and eighty, ten eighty. There's
some great teats coming through on nine to nine two
back very shortly. It is eleven minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
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Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
News Talks there B. It is seven to four. We
have been chatting about Rico Yuanni's leading the hucker a
bit of a sledge to Johnny Sexton.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Yeah, that's interesting, Liam Lawson pulling the finger. Yeah, I
supported that. I thought that was funny, pulling the finger
at threeund and fifty kilimeters an hour. God, I'm here man.
I can see why you compare McCaw to Upham, and
they're chosen professions. They were both functioning psychopaths. There's this
book that came out a few years ago, Searching for Charlie,
by Tom Scott, and it's one of the best books

(01:40:18):
I've ever read, the complete story of Charles Upham. And
it's sort of a companion book to the legendary Mark
of the Lion that is in every batch in the country.
Most people have come across Mark of the Lion at
some point about Charles Upham. But yeah, I mean, it
is an interesting thing because We really respect Charles Upham.
He's an incredible person. But my goodness, he was crazy,

(01:40:39):
wasn't he. I mean, yeah, running after retreating troop carriers and'
iffing grenades in throwing grenades into pool bloxes. I mean,
he was a guy that would run around and his
chosen weapon was just a bag full of grenades. He
was an intense human being and definitely definitely made for war.

(01:40:59):
Didn't want to go home after the war because I mean,
in his words, when a mad, When I think, when
a dog goes mad, you've got to put a bullet
in its head. And that was why he stood up.
He thought that the Germans had gone crazy and he
needed to go over and sort them out personally. But
Searching for Charlie Great Boy by Tom Scott as one
of the best books I've ever read.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
Real life Rambo quick text tear Following the push and shove,
Scott Barrett in the next line out said something to
his opposite number and gave him a light push. It
would be interesting to know what.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Yeah would sport be because some cricket as a classic one,
especially in the Test match, when you can hear everything
over the over the microphone it would be It would
be great if we could hear more of what it
said and Scrums and the Rucks absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Mare Donna told them where to go on the field
and he backed it up. Yeah. Football, I mean there's
certainly been a lot of players in the football realm
that may be considered bad boys. But again I mean
mare Donna in particular told them where to go, as
the text as said, but he certainly backed that up.
And if Richie mccaugh in a couple of years time

(01:42:03):
went on to run for Prime Minister of New Zealand,
do you think he would get in.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
I don't think you can kick every question to touch
that you can as a captain. Yeah, I mean we
admire Richie mccaugh because he always said the exact right thing,
but he didn't also didn't really say anything. Whereas I
mentioned Richie mccaugh running a country so much, so much
love for the man, so much respect for the man.
But I don't know how he'd got question time.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
Yes, nicely. But well, to wrap it up, we'll do
full circle and Rico Yoanni and leading the Harker against
Johnny Sexton. But do you think Raiser, clearly the guy
is quite a colorful character, right, do you think he
is going to bring that change to the All Blacks
that we can showcase a bit more of the personality
on field instead of being vanilla and safe.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
Well, we've never had a coach before, an All Blacks
coach that break dances exactly for you. You didn't see
Griz Wiley dropping the backspin, did you? So? I think
just by his nature, Razor Robinson is a more interesting guy.
And look, if we beat France in the weekend, then
you've got to say it's been a good year overall
for Razor.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Yeah, well, thank you very much for today. I really
enjoyed that. We'll do it all again tomorrow. Anyway, give
them a toast of Kiwi from me.

Speaker 23 (01:43:18):
I come cleaner, nothing new, work to call you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
It's you on the others.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
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