Full Show Podcast: 12 August 2025

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Really really good chat today about how short term videos

(00:37):
are raising our brains and it was really interesting to
have some candid chats with some young people who feel
like they are getting dumber and dumber and the struggle
is real to deal with TikTok and Instagram reels and
YouTube shorts in terms of what it's doing to their
ability to focus and their ability to enjoy life outside

(00:59):
of the dopamine hit of those platforms. So that was
a great chat.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
That was deep, and some good chat about security guards,
handcuffs and tasers and even robots within our hospitals. So
that was fascinating, and then finishing off with some cruise
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Today Show Tuesday. Now, I'm laughing and giggling and a
little bit hesitating because we've been shifted into a new
studio and it's kind of like learning how to ride
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Speaker 5 (01:49):
Matt.

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Well, the studio that we've been shifted into, which is
normally curious studio is it's got a desk that goes
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That's nice the hydraulics, but I can't.

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Get it low enough for the chair, so I'm sitting
way above, leaning down on the on the desk. Yeah,
So it's kind of like being a airline pilot with
your head pressed up. Again, it's the roof of the
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You know, we're professionals.

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If we fly into a mountain, then that's not our fault.

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Right on to today's show, I'll try and raise it
up a little bit.

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The title.

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Yeah, we'll figure it out to the old hydraulics I
mean it is pretty snazzy. We don't have the hydraulics
in the other studio.

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It's still working, now, does it not work when the
MIC's are on, We've already broken a best don't tell carry.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Right on to today's show. After three o'clock. So Mickey
Mouse and Cinderella, the are packing their bags and leaving
New Zealand. Disney Cruise Line confirms it is not going
to be sailing in these waters this season, next season,
or even this season after that. So Cruise Association Chief
Executive Jackie Lloyd told Mike this morning that the fees
imposed on ships plays a mass of role.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, so should we just wave those fees because if
we need them to come to our tourist destinations and
our big cities wherever they want to land, because they
bring in money and they're not coming because the fees
are too high, we wave the fees and invite them
in and then rinse the Cruise Line passengers and make
that money back.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
You know, we do it.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
We do it for events, don't we do. We want
an event here that we think we can make money
from where we pave the way for that event to
come here. You know, I'm thinking of it. Sale GP,
grease the wheels. So just just go out to Disney
and the other cruise liners. You know, we want you here,
so we're waving the fees come on in.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
That is after three o'clock. After two o'clock. Your research
chairs revealed some pretty alarming facts about brain, brain development,
attention spans. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
So in neuroscience, the study is warning that over consumption
of the likes of tiktoks, reels and YouTube shorts, you know,
the short form content those one minute videos can and
pair brain function more severely than moderate alcohol use. When
it comes to your attention, your memory, and your impulse control.

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That's pretty disturbing. So this is why deep work, long conversations,
and learning have started to become unbeariable for people, which
is really interesting. So are you getting dumber, Tyler?

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yes, no doubt about it. I know it. I'll pull
my hand up. Are you feeling a bit dumber in
twenty twenty five?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh, I don't spend any time on the tektok or
the reels. I don't. I'll look at if one means
actually I do actually spend a bit of time watching
if one means but they're good stuff.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, that's good for the brain.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
So if you're finding that your attention span is being
shortened by social media and particularly these reels, are you
trying to do something about it? And another question around this,
so if it is worse than moderate alcohol use, would
it be better just to hand your child a beer
sitting on the couch rather than handing them an iPhone

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or with tektok on it?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Who am I to argue with science? I mean, clearly,
according to scientists, there's exactly what you should do.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, we should always argue with scientists.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
But yeah, yeah, that is half to two clock. There's
going to be an interesting chat. But right now, let's
have a chat about security guards and hospital emergency departments.
So they want more powers to deal with what they
say is rising violence and increasing numbers of people confronting
them with weapons like knives for goodness sake, So emergency departments,
as we know, often fueled by drugs and booze reguards

(05:26):
at the moment, can do little to detain these people
or even eject them.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I mean it's crazy, isn't it. So all they've
got is a camera and a knife proof vest. That's
all they've got and they're dealing with meth up drunk
people causing problems, right, And those people are the worst
of the worst, obviously, aren't Aren't they the people that
will go into a hospital and cause problems because you know,

(05:52):
if you happen to damage a nurse or a doctor,
you know you're not only injuring that nurse or doctor,
but you're injuring everyone else that's trying to get into
that hospital to be genuinely help for the rest of
them in the right point. Yeah, So surely, surely the
security in the hospital should have cuffs, and they should
a hospital brig. I'm not sure how that would work.
Just should they have pepper spray as well? Yeah? But

(06:13):
are you worried that they will overuse the situation? You're
right that the training's not enough. But if we can't
afford as a country to put police officers in every
hospital then all the time, which seems like we should
be able to do, that will seem like a good idea.
But if we're not going to do that, then surely
the security that is facing these these bigger and bigger
threats should at least have cuffs and a brig.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
It should be a safe place for everybody in a
hospital at the very least. I eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Love your thoughts
on this, and if you've experienced that sort of behavior
in a hospital, whether it's abuse or screaming or a
drunk behavior, we'd love to hear your stories. O eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Coming up next, we're going to chat with Gary Morrison,
here's the head. Oh there's the hydraulics. I mean they

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just crushed my knee. I just feel like we need
the jews of life now, Andrew, can you just get
the jaws a life. I'm stuck now.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Just lowered the desk on Sorry.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Coming up next while we figure out getting me out
from under the steek. Gary Morrison here is the head
of these Security Guards Association Association. We've got a lot
of good questions for Gary. If you've got a question
for Gary. Nine two nine two is the text number.
But he is coming up next. That is twelve past one.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I'm going up, Tyler, all right doing it?

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Oh that feels good.

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There we go, Ah, there we go.

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The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 3 (07:32):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. It is a
quarter past one. Do we need to give more powers
and equipment to hospital security guards?

Speaker 6 (07:40):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (07:40):
One hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to call.
But on the line right now is Gary Morrison. He's
the CEO of the New Zealand Security Association. Gary. Good
afternoon to you.

Speaker 7 (07:48):
Yeah, Hi, Madon Taylor Tyler.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Sorry, well we got met here as well. Just be
what else. We're just heads, just trying to find out
Mike's in our new studio.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
In a new studio, so bear with us. But thanks
for talking to us today.

Speaker 8 (08:00):
Gary.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Hey, how much worse is the violence and dangerous behavior
getting and why do you think it's getting worse?

Speaker 7 (08:07):
Well, it's really happened since I think since COVID days,
and what we've seen is that there's a less less
tolerance society these days. There's far more aggression out there,
both verbal and physical. We don't have any stats on
what sort of increased there has been other than just
the information coming through, but I know it in Sydney,
some hospitals just on reporting there and they're talking about

(08:28):
a sixty percent increase in violent assaults, etc. Over the
last five years, so it is quite substantial, and i'd
suggest ours would be very very similar.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
And is that related to meth and phetamine use?

Speaker 7 (08:41):
Certainly that's part of it, and I heard you you're
both talking earlier on its drugs. It's alcohol. It's a
very stressful situation and accident to the emergency, you often
have associates coming in who are under the influence as well,
and also mental health issues as well. It's a compounding issue.
It's not just one single factor. It is certainly compounding.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
What increased powers do you want would you like for
hospital security?

Speaker 7 (09:07):
I know you have very fan I'm very much a
fan of tasers. That's not the suggestion or not where
we go go for hold. We don't want anything in
the wave of weapons that would actually aggravate the situation.
What we are looking for is the power where we
can actually detain offenders that I stress when it's safe

(09:27):
to do so, and that could potentially involve use of
handcuffs if it became necessary, But the ability to detain
offenders where it's appropriate, where it's safe to do so
and importantly, where the security staff have the necessary skills,
training and ability to keep people safe from that situation.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
So we talking about a hospital prison here, a brig
type situation.

Speaker 7 (09:51):
Ideally there should be an area where you can safely
take that the offender too or offenders and keep them
out of the vicinity. The ideal is to actually get
them completely outside, and first approach should always be de escalate,
try and talk to them, get reason, come across, calm
them down, and ideally leave the site is the perfect outcome.
But if there is a need to actually step in

(10:13):
and detain somebody, right in the middle of an A
and E is probably not the right place to be
trying to do that and detain defender. So ideally there
should be a safer room we can take them to
hold pending police arrival, and that's assuming police can attend
in a prompt fesshion, what's.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
The turnover like for these security guards at hospital Gary.
I mean, just reading the story and listening to what
you're saying now, it seems like an incredibly stressful job
and what they have to deal with without the right
equipment toward the right powers to detain. Do you see
quite a lot of turnover in those roles.

Speaker 7 (10:46):
I'm not an employer, so I don't generally sort of
face that situation, but I'd suggest it's not any higher
than across the general security industry. A lot of security staff,
particularly where they're customer facing, face those same risks on
a day to day basis as well.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
What kind of extra training would you need for security staff, Gary,
if they're going to be cuffing people and imprisoning them
in the hospital.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
It's the ability to carm and restrain people. It is
quite in depth. Training is not going on a one
or two day course. It's not basic judo knowledge or similar.
There is quite a lot of skill involved. You have
to be able to do it safely and ensure that
you keep treating yourself safely first, but then the safety
of the fender as well. So it's quite a comprehensive package.

(11:31):
We have got a program developed and ready to roll,
but we need to have those powers first to align
with that.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
So just confirming Gary, at the moment, those security guards
do not have any power to detain. They don't have
the handcuffs. We know that, but there is no ability
for them if it's a collective there's a couple of
security guards there to take someone down who's threatening people
with a knife. There is not that ability for them
to do that under the legislation.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
In general terms. There are exceptions to that, and it
comes back to keeping people safe, and you can step
in an absolute emergency situation, but certainly we would encourage
our security starts to keep themselves safe first, keep other people,
keep the public safe is their priority.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
So right now, if there's a disturbance and you know
patience or hospital staff a threaten to security, what do
they do? They yell until they get out the door,
they push them out the door. What do they do?
Lock things up, go on lock down and call the police?
What's the procedure?

Speaker 7 (12:29):
There will be a range of procedures based on how
serious it is. Certainly, if it is getting extremely violent,
certainly police attendance is required. A lockdown is potentially an
option as well. But as I said earlier, the escalation
is the ideal of outcome, and in a lot of circumstances,
security staff can use their verbal skills, they can actually
talk to the offender or offenders get them to understand

(12:52):
it's not helping the situation. Essentially, penalizing potentially their major
they've come in with, it's impacting other people, and once
they can see reason, often you can actually get calmed
down or ideally like say leave the site, which removes
the problem from the immediate.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
For some se what I don't understand is why they
are angry. What are people angry about that? What are
the flash points that cause people to behave like this.

Speaker 7 (13:17):
Often it's a wait time, and we're all aware that
there are increased wait times when you go into an
e these days. I experienced it last year where I
was told them it's a six hour weight. The immediate
thing you do is react to that, why am I
getting priority treatment? And where you've got people who may
be impacted by our coolor drugs, that inflames the situation. Yes,
they get extremely impatient, and that just effectively winds the

(13:40):
situation up. So if you can talk with reason and
get to understand what the impact is, again, that comes
back to the ideal situation.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
So in the perfect world, would it be that there
would be a police officer in every hospital with the
full powers of a police officer, Because this to me
seems like slightly blurs the lines between a police officer
and a security guard.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
I think you have to come back in that situation,
what is the burst out or best use of our
police and being in that situation is not the ideal
outcome for their resources. We know they're limited. I think
having highly trained, skilled security staff who can confiment the
situation to work with the police, work very closely, work
with the hospital management so they know exactly what the

(14:25):
protocols are would be a far better use of security resources.
And the reality of security staff are paid significantly less
in police, so again better utilization of the funds. But
you've still got well trained, very capable staff who could
handle that situation.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
How does it work overseas? Are overseas security guards and
hospitals with these powers and is it working?

Speaker 7 (14:50):
I can actually answer that, But certainly there are a
number of examples worldwide where security staff perform a lot
of functions like that and very successfully and have very
good relationships with the authorities as well.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah. Well, I mentioned in the United States, it wouldn't
be pepper spray and tasers. It would be and cuffs,
to be.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
Exactly. And we don't carry guns. We're not advocating for that.
We don't see that as been the solution, and you
can say the same about tasers, You can say the
same about peppers phrase. The experience offshore is that often
aggravates the situation rather than calms it down. Certainly peppers
phrase there are significant risk to other people who are nearby. Yes,
of course tasers peppers phrase can be taken off the

(15:32):
person who's carrying them, used against them, and it just
tends to aggravate the situation, particularly in the New Zealant
environment were we're not used to carrying churnally guns. We
are seeing an increase in weapons. But I think going
down that track would be a very very poor move
and the wrong way to go.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
So if someone's got a knife, though, what force do
you use against someone that's in an insane emergency room
with the knife?

Speaker 7 (15:55):
We would strongly suggest you don't. You call the police,
You get other people to attend, potentially look at the
lockdown situation, get people out of the harms way. You know,
I've been in security all my life. I wouldn't try
and take on offenders carrying a knife.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
So the the people you're coughing would not be the
knife people.

Speaker 7 (16:15):
No, it's where it's safe to do so, using situational awareness,
you're aware of what the situation is. Are they likely
to be carrying other weapons? Are there other people or
associates with them who may get involved? Are there other
objects that could be used to the weapon against you
within that situation as well? Again, I was just referring
to Sydney hospitals before. A lot of those incidents include knives, etcetera. Sorry, scissors, Yeah,

(16:40):
chre probably present in the excemens of the emergency rooms.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, but there must be situations where there's someone that
brings out a weapon and they're not threatening that where
the security guard has to get in between the person
with the weapon and another patient or someone that's working
in the hospital. I mean that that must be something
that obviously could potentially happen, and in that case, would

(17:04):
the security guard be duty bound to put themselves in
harms way.

Speaker 7 (17:09):
They have to make a judgement call on what's safest
for them and their own safety as a priority, because
if they get injured, they're out of the picture. Effectively, Yes,
they can't be someone in support, they can't be there
trying to protect other people. So that becomes a judgment
called based on how serious that situation is if they
are comfortable that they've got the necessary skills to try

(17:30):
and escalate it be escalated or to take down their fender.
Perhaps that's the right move in that situation, but there'll
be a lot of circumstances to consider.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Gary, thank you very much for having a chat with us.
Makes a lot of sense. But we're going to open
it up to the talk lines now and see what
the audience is. But really appreciate your time.

Speaker 7 (17:48):
Always welcome. Thanks.

Speaker 9 (17:49):
That is good.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, thanks mate. That is Gary Morrison, head of the
Security Association. So can you get your views? Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty can you see any officialks
with having hospital security guards have handcuffs to give them
more power to detain love your thoughts and if you've
witnessed bad behavior in the hospital, what happens?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, handcuffs and a brig.

Speaker 10 (18:07):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Gary Morrison, CEO of New Zealand Security, says no to
tases in peppersbro at this point twenty six past one.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic Hosking breakfast.

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It is here.

Speaker 12 (18:33):
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Speaker 3 (19:02):
News Talks B twenty eight pass one. Should hospital security
guards be given handcuffs and more powers to detain our
one hundred and eighteen eighties and num to call.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Do you like the sound of a hospital brig That's
what's being asked for. Hey, hi, Matt and Tyler. We
know that hospital security guards are restricted in how they
can detain violent people, so guess who has to deal
with them. Yes, the nurse is not a good idea
to use pepper spray amongst already ill patients. That's from Jim. Yeah,
I admit now my plan for giving security pepper spray
was ill thought out. Spraying that around the emergency room

(19:31):
not a good idea.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
No, it sounded good on paper, but yeah, when you
put it into the practice, not so good.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Jill, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (19:38):
Oh yes, hello boys. Earlier this year, I went through
an experience at the local hospital exactly as we've just
been hearing. I arrived tod A and E. I was
quite late at night in an ambulance, and as we
came through the doors, it was shouting and yelling and screaming,
and apparently a patient had attacked a nurse with a

(20:01):
pair of scissors. So on this great commotion and fuss,
and he was duly taken away and things quiet, And
I must admit the hospital guard's security boys were wonderful
because they walked through all night. But believe you me,
it was a Saturday night, and I began to think

(20:21):
I was in a James Bond movie because, oh my goodness,
the language is shouting. I guess the poor people are
drugged or drunk. And it was well controlled. I mean,
those figures in black walking through were very comforting, but
it's real, and I thought those poor stuff for the

(20:45):
doctors and nurses what they have to contend.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
With now, Jill, So you said that the nurse was
attacked with scissors? Did they did they injure? Did the
person injure the nurse?

Speaker 14 (20:55):
Look?

Speaker 13 (20:56):
I don't know all those things because you're in your
curbable Yeah, sort of minding your business. I have no idea,
but there was plenty of screaming and yelling and shouting.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Do you know if it was the police that turned
up to take away the gars?

Speaker 13 (21:11):
Say? Would but I'm sure they would have been wrong.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
Would you?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Would you think it? Would you feel safer in that
same situation if you knew that the hospital security had
the powers to cuff and detain?

Speaker 12 (21:23):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (21:24):
Yes, because I felt sorry they couldn't do anything. Yeah,
And the fact is they did patrol. They were continuously
walking through a and E are good them that? But
something somehow surely they could handcuff people or do something.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Until finally, how are you? What was you? What your
ailment problem? Yes?

Speaker 13 (21:48):
I didn't do my blood pressure any good. But I
survived to tell the story.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Oh good shipping our jail, so that's good news.

Speaker 13 (21:56):
I am thank you.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Thank you very much. O. One hundred and eighteen eighty
is the number to call. Plenty of he's coming through
nine two nine two as well, but headlines with Jody
coming up and will take more of your calls. It
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Speaker 3 (23:30):
Thank you very much, Jerdi. We are talking about hospital
security guards. Should they be given handcuffs more powers to
detain violent people?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Next says hey guys. Sister in law was very senior
at Waikator ed for ED for about twenty years, said
the levels of violence and intimidation have gone up drastically.
The gangs are a real issue, thinking they can order
and abuse whoever they want. I think handcuffs for security
are a must. Chain the offends to a post somewhere
for a few hours while cops are called. Any emergency

(23:58):
button to police rather than a call would be good
in the worst places, tasers have to be considered. If
those two things don't work. Yeah, a lot of people
are pushing for the for the tasers, but the security
people aren't pushing for the tasers. This Texas is give
them tranquilizer guns that did work.

Speaker 16 (24:19):
Well.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
I don't think tranquilizer guns are a real thing. I
think they're just in movies.

Speaker 8 (24:23):
Right.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
It's not like old school where you shoot them and
he goes down within ten minutes and falls into the poll.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Well ten minutes isn't Maybe in ten minutes, but the
instant tranquilizer gun, I don't think is a real thing. Sure,
welcome to the show. Thanks for calling your thoughts.

Speaker 8 (24:39):
Matt and Tyler. Good afternoon. Thank you for thanking my call.
I strongly support the enhancement of security cards, are powers,
the building of detention facilities. I appreciate the mainstream money,
which chances to be left leaning, don't do that sort
of thing, but I don't like it. But I've witnessed
at firsthand. I'm an engineered by a trade. I've worked
with Dhb's previously prior to the amalgamation, and now with

(25:02):
hospitals where companies engineers come in and we've got construction
people enhancing facilities. One thing I want to disabuse the
lists all yourselves of that this little thing happens only
at night. I be on site during a day and
scene everyone from junior gang members to family members loaded
to the max on drugs and alcohol at eight o'clock
in the morning. It doesn't happen at night. It happens

(25:24):
during the day. And these people are not I respect
what Gary didn't need to keep it down the middle
because he gets cramped from every left for organization. But
these people are not injured. They haven't got bandages. They
are under slings and they are part of the hangers
on or the come later. There are gang members on
site with patches even though there's signs saying they can't

(25:46):
be there, and nurses. I'm riders into politically, but I
do believe they deserve danger pay for anything else. A
stab vest a mixed military in a previous life. A
stabbast only does so much. You get a long enough
knife with the must enough kinetic force, you can go
through a stab proof best. Our company headquarters were in
Sydney and Rose near the Olympic Stadium. I've been over

(26:07):
there quite a few times stacks and forwards. I've seen
security guards with tasers, some with firearms and maules. That
is now moving to hospitals and they are big, burly
guys and they don't and they do deescalate. They know
how you don't use a track rise again because if
ever it ever existed, because you don't put chemicals and
do someone's system. They don't know what medication they're on,
but they put them on plastic handcuffs. So with a

(26:28):
bit of gift they calm them down and the peace
come there. The average on hospital is fifty thousand square
in there. You could have twenty five follets there and
they might never see each other. And also you can
think about response times. When they call, you can take
fifty to twenty minutes to get there. So I know
you guys that I know that there's a bit of
pushback on that. But these all security guards, some of

(26:49):
them small dudes, are some of the bigger. In my gym,
I've got a few private guys in security. You can
work out with me, and they say they get assaulted
every time, that they always get targeted for drugs. They
can insult the part staff, but yeah, in.

Speaker 9 (27:03):
The real world.

Speaker 8 (27:04):
This has gone beyond do they need it? They do
need a break at attention seen which is handed so
if someone's drunk, they can't bash their head. But overseas
they do have stronger force or stronger laws. Other than
the north Shore. I don't see this sort of stuff,
but I respect what you guys are saying. But you
are to come down and open your eyes and see
what happens during the day in the hospital, and I
think they would elevate your thinking.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
We were what were we saying that you respect?

Speaker 8 (27:26):
Well, well, like I said, there was a few things.
They are only at night. But he said do you
really need it? Do you really need it? I think
we're beyond the argument do we really need it?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Oh right, we were just asking questions of Gary.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
I appreciate that from your perspective.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
What would you what would a bag look like in
the hospital? You say that you've been around.

Speaker 8 (27:43):
There, I'd say, I'd say it is. I'd say are
secure rooms between say three and fourced meters. They are
padded so that someone knocks if they try to push
their head against something. There's no there's everything. There's a
chair or a bed. If they have to be laying down.
It's all it's dina bole to the force. They can't
lift it up. There's also sound proofs that they're screening.

(28:07):
Doesn't go. You've got a soundproof door, fire through door,
and they can see them and they're going to be
mountored all the time, every sign looked in until the
police arrive and then take them garret is what. There
is a way to securely bring someone down without hurting them,
and you have to do it correctly. You put them
in a secure environment and so they can't hurt themselves,

(28:27):
the same way our police cells are designed.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
So I guess that begs the question, how does a
security guard cuff a person with a knife and get
them into the brig If someone's causing enough problems that
they need to be cuffed and put it a breg,
you'd have to be You'd have to be pretty heavily
trained in hand to hand combat to execute that way.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
Actually in basic CQB, which is a military term which
is designed for close caught a battle. That's my two
day course. As the gentleman said before, you're looking at
several weeks at A lot of security arex military and
they're big bully guys. And I've got some level of
training two of them. The idea is to this arm
the offender, put them in a safe list and go
from there. It has to be a level of a

(29:08):
certain level of training, and unfortunate guards haven't got there.
But gang members, I've seen them on. I've seen them
on an engineer, on construction sites coming on. I've seen
family members. They are off their face at eight o'clock
in the morning, drugs, drink and everything. And believe me,
it's not a nice thing at a and it's all
all over all over the hospitals.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yes, but then you say gang members, so you know
you might have to be you might have to be
dealing with two, three four people.

Speaker 8 (29:35):
At once, exactly exactly. And I think these guys need
to be paid more. They need to do recruitment and
they come on. They're not supposed to wear their patches
on the hospital grounds. You know their signs everywhere. But
that doesn't really mean to think and I feel very
sorry for the nurses facts and particularly for the security
guards who they've been a couple of killed in recent years.
One day here in the North Shore was killed a

(29:56):
few years ago. He was doing a car yard of
all things. He was an immigrant. But yeah, that sort
of thing that they need these put these poor bases
and so these poor people in the line of fire
and give them, give them better pay, give them the
option and a secure way of doing it. But I
know you're going to get as any calls aid as
far as but I've seen terrible, terrible things, and we're

(30:17):
just doing a job of these people. This is during
broad daylight.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, And I get what you're saying, Gary, And I sorry, Sean,
and I know where Gary is coming from. That he's
got to play the game, and he's got to go softly,
softly and get across the handcuffs first and then maybe
look at something a bit more like a taser. But
I actually am fully behind a situation like a taser
that's in a lock box, the similar to how we
had originally with police and firearms, that it's in the
boot and you've got to go through a certain process

(30:41):
before you open that and use it to take down
an offender who was threatening people within a hospital. But
I've got no problem with that. But as you say,
it relies upon the training. I don't want some security
guard who doesn't have any real life skills. It was
just there because it's a job and they can do it.
They've actually got to be quite well trained individuals and with.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
That heavily trained big units.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, but you say yes, training.

Speaker 8 (31:07):
Maybe absolutely, I am not necessary essays, but there is
ways of CQBT and to carefully manage it. But I've
talked a couple of security guards and police officers in
their psychology. Often when they point the taser at the offender,
the guy sees the red dot and they back down.
The key is that de escalate the situation. Face should
be the last result. But often you can use the

(31:28):
tools when happened to you, we're having to physically use them.
You have the presence of them. You de escalate the
situation and sometimes of a young kid who's got a
big attitude, maybe your back down. The US force and
I respect we are in a civilis society. We do
it as a last resort, but they've got to have
that result there.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, thanks so much for your call, Shawn. Interesting to
say about the essays, but this Texas says cured a
Lad's a relatable story for you. My little sisted her
medical training at the same UK hospital with the essays
to their medical training. She said there were never ever
any issues in casualty. Just one lock from a member
of the essays to anyone who was even remotely out
of order meant that someone about to kick off sat

(32:05):
down and shut up very quickly.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
That John Willy uppiata up to these days to get
them into middlemore well.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Up next, we've got a nurse who we really want
to talk to, a nurse because they're people at the
front line of this who backs chemically restraining these people.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
There's going to be good.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Be welcome back into the show. Thirteen to turn. We're
talking about hospital security guards. They want handcuffs. We're keen
to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Jamie says, Hey, guys, interesting show today. I'm in the
security industry. I've done nightclubs, events, close protection, undercover, retail security,
and so on. I don't believe in pepperscray pepper, spray,
tasers and enforcement whippers, as they make things unpredictable and
more intense. I believe in a higher number of people
so putting more people into employment, train them in mental
health and support them in the role legally, mentally, and

(32:58):
fully train them. I would feel safer with four or
five big intimidating guys standing in my way than two
guys with a taser or spray. Drugs and alcohol. Our
industry even more intense.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Good text.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
But as this person says, you know, this is a
really good text that says A'll try and find and
remember it. But I basically say, ah, conservatives always want
better services, but don't want to pay for more for them,
pay our staff and what they're worth. I mean, the
solutions to these problems involve more money, don't they.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
More training, more money, high salaries, better people.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Everything in the health has sector involves more money. Grant says,
use the old net guns, awesome piece of kit. We
actually and the apes Yeah yeah, keeps catching some venison
that would take them out. Pretty says just get you
two O nine unit positioned in each ed Ward Quick
minigun purst in attacker is neutralized. If you follow the

(33:56):
podcast The Rewatchables, they have done Rover Coop this week.
Fantastic John. You're a nurse and you think that we
need to chemically restrain these people.

Speaker 6 (34:05):
Well one that I think we you can, Like I
don't know why we've talking about tases and all that.
Only the years ago, when somebody got out of hand,
we'd chemically restrain them, made they'd be meek and mild
within less than twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
How do you do that, John, Well, how do you
think you do it? I don't know. You tell me
you have a lot of chemicals out there. Do you
inject them from behind or what?

Speaker 6 (34:27):
You just use an injection? Like, Hey, you've talked about
cuffing and this and that, like, like, I mean, you
don't want to be nasty or cruel, but hang on,
if you're pulling out a knife or scissors and stabbing
a nurse and I think I heard it because I'd
forgotten that that a poor nurse died on duty, Well,
well that is not okay. And may I have seen violence, absolutely,

(34:48):
I now work in the community, and you do want
to have your wits about you. But like, these are hospitals.
Drugs are powerful, really powerful, and sure we don't know
the medical condition of the person, but the moment they're
wanting to attack you and harm you, they just gave
away their rights.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, look, even if we agree with that at John
and I do agree with that, but how do you
actually get up to a person that's wielding a knife
and inject them?

Speaker 12 (35:16):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (35:17):
True? And that's that's your hard part, Okay, So maybe
maybe that's where it even needs to be used or
something like that. Like I don't know. I mean there
is a way if you've got a knife, you hold
a chair, but you get a blanket and you throw
it at them or something. You've got to do something
to dis empower that night.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
And I mean it's not fun.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
And nobody wants to confront people when they're in this situation.
I think part of the problem is too our ads
have become what free medical centers. Yeah, and a lot
of people, Yeah, you go to your you go to
the hospitals and like gang members.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Mate, what they make money?

Speaker 6 (35:54):
Why are they there?

Speaker 12 (35:55):
You know?

Speaker 6 (35:55):
Like, And the other thing I'd say is if you misbehave,
I'm sorry you don't get treated.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Now that is harsh, but you gave away.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
You're right the moment that you became disorderly. Yeah, Like
would you walk into Singapore it says you bring in
drugs you die?

Speaker 5 (36:12):
Do you take drugs?

Speaker 9 (36:13):
And no?

Speaker 6 (36:13):
You don't, So why don't we put up some big
signs and make this very very clear, because.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
We like boundaries.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
Are good for children and they're good for me just
as they are for you. We have them on our roads,
but we don't seem to have them in many other places.

Speaker 9 (36:28):
Do we.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
So you're a nurse, John, yep. Yeah, And so do.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
You feel still got my registration?

Speaker 8 (36:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (36:35):
I still got my registration.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
So as a nurse when you were working, did you feel,
you know, scared? Often?

Speaker 6 (36:45):
I could tell you a few stories. People can be
very demanding, and yes, people can get awkward. I remember
the last time I worked in a hospital. It was
in a medical surgical ward and a guy absolutely went berserk,
So we just shut his door. He totally smashed up
his room, including the ceiling. Now there was no point

(37:06):
of going in there was like that, and he did
untold damage. I'd make him pay for that, like like
it was just nuts, I don't know what. But he
was just in an average surgical medical ward and he
went mate. You wouldn't go in there because he got kikdoo.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
That's fine, and you're getting a lot of support for
what you're saying, John, Thank you very much. It is
eight minutes to two back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I like Mattias Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
News DOGSB, News DOGSB. It is six to two. On
the line is Ken who used to actually work security
at a hospital, so he's a good man to chat to.
Get a Ken.

Speaker 17 (37:51):
Okay, okay, Matt, Yeah, it was a few years ago,
but we had the shotgun Boughton while we were up there.
A few other fits and pieces. But I'd have to
take issue with Gary from the Security Association of much
time for them. But security guards at the hospital is

(38:12):
the most dangerous security in the city. And that was
from a cop I was served in the Army with
when you come in order patient one day and said,
what are you doing in there? This is the most
dangerous security in the.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Lowest doesn't surprise me, yep.

Speaker 17 (38:29):
And they also the Security Stization opposed my submission when
they bought the security guard changed the Act in twenty
ten to increase the training.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
They dropped the level of training because the Hospitality Association
didn't want the extra training. Now I've developed my own
little systems that require but no hand on. Its possible
that you can ertain to anyone can legally depending on
the situation. And to say that you can't do anything true.

(39:04):
And security guards have a duty of care far up
the hospital and some on the night. They have a
choosed the cares and particular start.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
They certainly do. And I imagine, you know, if that's
put in front of a judge and there's you know,
charges that are laid against the security guard, I'm sure
they will come out or right on the other side.
But the truth of the matter is, Ken, according to
the legislation, security guards cannot detain. They do not have
the same rights as that proposed change for citizen arrest
or for ordinary citizens. So Gary is right on that
that under the legislation, and that's what it's.

Speaker 17 (39:35):
No, he's not lot everyone and this is from a
police officer. Everyone has the right to detain. It doesn't
mean we enough security guards are supposed to just have
a bitter knowledge And when we were up there, we
were paying people will time under the mental health.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, Ken, thanks so much for cooking.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Very good discussion. Thank you to everybody who phoned and
called on that one. It is three minutes to two
New Sport and weather is on the way. You're listening
to Matt and Tylo. Hope you having a great afternoon.
We'll see you back here very surely.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons used dogs.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
It'd be for a good afternoons. You seven pass to
welcome back into the show. Now, just before we move
on to the next topic.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, I thought of sum up because we ran out
of time, so many calls and texts to get through.
So I think we all agree, judging by the calls
and the text if you're threatening and abusive to the
very people trying to help your friends or loved ones,
you're the worst of the worst. In my opinion, you've
lost all rights and cuffs entertainment is the very least
you deserve. So let's train and empower our security offices

(40:43):
and hospitals to protect our doctors and nurses and the
honest good patients there. Because those doctors and nurses are
just trying to do their job to help people, and
it's terrible that they're scared. And you know, if you
catch yourself being an absolute dickhead in an ed situation.
Then maybe stop for a second ago I'm a knob.

(41:04):
I'm going to stop right now.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah, give yourself an upper cut, tasy yourself and sort
your sort of your life.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Please eject yourself with some tranquilizer and lie on the
ground in your own filth, and we'll put the boot in.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Beautifully said, right, this is going to be an interesting hours.
So new research has revealed some alarming facts about our
attention spans and brain development.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Matt, Yeah, so this neuroscience has you know, this is
in a nutshell over consumption of short term form content.
We're talking about Instagram reels, We're talking about YouTube shorts,
we're talking about TikTok can impair brain function more severely
than moderate alcohol use when it comes to attention, memory,

(41:49):
and impulse control. So you know, if you're spending a
lot of time doom scrolling through this brain, right, then
tasks that can't require patient such as deep, deep hard work,
long conversations, real learning, reading books, et cetera. Even watching
a movie ninety to two hour long movie duration movie

(42:10):
become almost unbearable. So it's not just as this paper says,
it's not just stealing your time, it's rewiring who you are,
so it's making us dumber. Essentially, short form content is
pumping us with so much dopamine every minute that it's
making real life dull. It's just destroying our attention stands

(42:34):
span and making us dumber. So if you do you
feel like one hundred and eighty ten eighty nineteen nine two,
do you feel like you're getting dumber from the amount
of time you're spending online? And if so, are you
trying to do something about it? Are you? Because if
you find that you cannot no longer read a book anymore,
that you cannot watch a movie anymore with going without
going to your phone, that you cannot have a deep

(42:57):
and meaningful conversation with the friend, or discuss anything complicated
at work without zoning out. And look, should you be
handing your kids a shot of tequila instead of an
iPhone with TikTok on it?

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Well, according to that research, that might be better for them.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Neither is good.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
No, neither is good.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
But if, in terms of entertaining your child for a
couple of hours on the couch potentially alcohol, is this
bad for them, then TikTok Yeah, Well, The irony is
when I have a few glasses of wine and get
that nice, nice buzz, It actually makes me more attentive
to the movie I'm watching because because hand Up, I
face that at the moment, and I know that I'm
getting dumber, and obviously that brain rots is sitting in.

(43:37):
Oh boy, You're not the only one that knows you're
getting dumber.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Mate, But hand Up, I mean, look, you take this
very seriously. I know you do that. You're aware that
this sort of brain rot and the doom scrolling is
not good for your mental health. So you make concerted
efforts and you pride yourself on saying no, screw that,
You're not going to control me. But it's bloody difficult
Monday to Friday. That's when it's harder. If I go
home and I want to start a new series and

(44:01):
I love it for about fifteen minutes, and then I
reach for my phone and start looking at I don't
know who is that actor? Where have I seen him
from before? Start going down that Wikipedia rabbit hole, and
then look at I wonder what's happening on Instagram?

Speaker 2 (44:12):
So this Texas says, please provide where the study originates.
So it's pulled together from several studies. Short form videos
degrade our capacity to retain intensions. Behavior and information technology
was another name of a study. There's about three or
four that have been correlated together for this analysis.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
I mean it's effectively We've said this a few times
on the show, but idiocracy starting to become real life.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, I mean people can't even understand basic concepts now
that that take the time to concentrate on them such
that you understand, you know, pros and cons because you
can see. And that's what's so terrifying, because a lot
of people are getting their politics from TikTok right, and
if you like something that will throw you the next

(45:02):
thing that supports that and supports that. But the attention
span has been reduced to the point where no one
will go and read the full article that questions what
they've seen and they just don't have the attentionspand to
do it.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
No, they'll read the first couple of paragraphs and they
make up their mind. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Do you suffer from this?

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah? Be honest. Do you feel like you're getting dumber
or do you feel like the people around you are
getting dumber. If so, what are you doing about it?

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yep, this is going to be a great chat. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is twelve past two.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons call,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Very good afternoons you it is quarter past to Do
you feel dumber? There is research, alarming research that shows
most of us are becoming stupider as a human species
because of what we're watching online.

Speaker 10 (45:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
I talked to my sons about it. Because they talk.
They describe it as brain rot, so the kids con
sense that it's hurting their brains. These short tom the videos,
this TikTok, the Instagram reels, the YouTube shorts. They can
sense it, and both my sons have taken steps. I
just brought it up with them when I was reading
the study this morning. I bought it up with them
and they both said that. One of them said that

(46:17):
he's deleted all those apps because he could feel and
made him feel crap after it's been an hour doom
scrolling smart boy. The other one said he'll only look
at short videos. That are sent to him by people
he won't watch anymore after that. So he's using his
friends to rot their brains out and create just the
very best, funniest thing for the day. And he watched that,
but he won't go through and find them to send
other people.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
And that makes me feel good. I think it's the
millennials and older that struggle with it, and they should
know better because we've been in a situation where we
didn't have this crap. But yet it seems to be
older people that struggle with this stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Kurt, your thoughts on this.

Speaker 9 (46:52):
Yeah, I was on the Facebook and Instagram when my
young color well for my first kid, and there was
the calling was when he was sort of one of
my attention. I was just sitting there scrolling on Facebook
and that, just looking at nonsense really and then not

(47:13):
giving him the attention. And then just recently with those
YouTube I still go on YouTube and that, but I've
found myself off the YouTube shorts.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
We're just losing your bit there, mate, Just take a
step to the left or right and carry on.

Speaker 9 (47:35):
Ye're just on the YouTube shorts, just scrolling through that.
And then because they never used to have that on
YouTube and then I'm sort of doing the same thing
now because it's there. I just you know, I'll just
find myself doing it, whereas i'd normally just search a
documentary or whatever video clip I was watching on YouTube
and do it for the long haul.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (47:57):
Yeah, yeah, you're just time wasting really, so by.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
YouTube shorts, we're talking a minute.

Speaker 9 (48:03):
Here, yeah, or either a minute or on the short clip.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because because I think there's utility in YouTube,
and you know, there's there's the you know, eight to
thirteen minutes. Sometimes you get an half hour clip that'll
explain something and it's quite in depth and you can
get access to the smartest people in the world to
describe something for you. I've been trying to understand general
relativity and space time at the moment, and YouTube is

(48:31):
great for that. Back it up with the book and stuff.
You can learn something. But can you really learn anything
from a one minute clip?

Speaker 9 (48:40):
Na, Well, it's just for the probably for the laugh
or the views sort of thing. Yeah, more so of
a of a long clip where you would pay your
attention because you push your quick to push that skip
button through the ad and that to get back to
watching it. Yeah, but that shorts. One you just scroll,
you know, and do you find yourself like that one?

(49:02):
You just yeah the next one?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
And do you find yourself less likely to watch a
slightly longer clip because you're watching have to be watching
the shorter clips.

Speaker 9 (49:13):
Of your or your your your patients wake the air,
so you'll you'll skull, you'll push that the fast forward
button to where it might be more interesting part of
the documentary.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah, have you tried to break out of it? Could
have you tried any strategies to stop watching these YouTube shorts.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Because you got away from Instagram and TikTok, didn't you?

Speaker 18 (49:35):
Uh?

Speaker 19 (49:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (49:35):
Facebook?

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Facebook?

Speaker 9 (49:37):
Yeah, but yeah, I think it will be Yeah, I
will make an effort. I'll probably just like not yet,
not even open the shorts and just go to the
documentaries and that. But I feel like you're way better
without social media. I think all round day, I don't
miss it at all, Facebook or the Instagram.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Now, when you finished watching a series of short videos, Kurt,
can you think of what the emotion that you in
one word, what the emotion you feel when you when
you know, look up and look around and realize you've
spent some time on it.

Speaker 9 (50:14):
Hasn't wasted time.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
It's self loathing, isn't it. I've been absolutely well, well,
they've asked that, they did.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Jonathan Hyden, one of his books, talks about asking you know,
young people what they're feeling is, and the most common
word is regret.

Speaker 9 (50:28):
Yeah, well, you could achieve so much more, you know,
you're sitting there and doing just using your thumb. Yeah,
and then you look up and there's an hour gone.
You can make you a time so much more valuable
than that hour, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Exactly, Well, good luck with fighting it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean that's the thing. But not only that, as
you look up and there's regret and you go, look,
I've wasted my time. But the studies are saying, now,
not only that, but you have made yourself dumber by
doing it. You've actually damaged your brain by spending an
hour or half an hour or god for bid, two

(51:05):
hours doom scrolling through tech talk or reels or YouTube shorts.
So that's depressing, isn't It's.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
A vicious cycle? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Are you stuck in this doom'scrolling state?
And do you feel dumb? I love to hear your
thoughts on Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is
twenty parts.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Two Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons. Call oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on yoused talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Very good afternoon. It is twenty two parts two.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
This Texas says, after fifteen seconds of Matt's introduction to
the segment, I lost concentration and now looking at TikTok.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah that's the problem. Wow, there's the problem fifteen seconds.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah. See, James is too dumb from watching TikTok to
understand the subtle complexities of my introduction.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Your loss of the ciste James, James is.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
An example of the brain rot that is destroying people
in our society that we're talking about, and potentially doing
more damage to himself than if he was having to
drinking tequila at the moment.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
We're trying to save you, James. Yeah, but tequila sounds
pretty good right now. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Hey, guys, So what if you're drinking view on and
scrolling triply dumber?

Speaker 8 (52:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yes, good points.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Hi j Welcome to the show.

Speaker 20 (52:16):
Hi Margine, Turner finks for me having me on the show, and.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
What's your thoughts about the brain rot.

Speaker 20 (52:25):
AJ, that's pretty accurate. I guess it's not just I
guess from the short content videos. It's it's almost like
they have having an impact on our decision making, judgment
and all of this stuff. Some could be entertaining, some
could features on the political debate, some could be on

(52:45):
religious contents, and these sixty seconds would actually define the
actual content creator's view and how we perceive it would
be rather the more or less from their perspective, and
we not meange, we would not even go ahead and
do a check on the data or the background to it,
and still we will be too judgmental. And then probably

(53:07):
our thoughts would start running from that second towards the
direction or the content creator how he wanted us to perceive,
and that just brings our who was thinking capability so down.
It's almost like we are getting in an instant generation
where our thoughts are just based on sixty seconds and

(53:28):
we are losing our skills.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Well, yeah, in a sixty second video, AJ, you're unlikely
to get the both sides of the argument and a
nuanced discussions, so you can make up your own mind.
You're being blasted with one opinion in the most emotional
way possible, such that the algorithm is actually fitted to
you in the first place, and then by watching it

(53:51):
that then pushes you to get more content like.

Speaker 20 (53:54):
That, yes it's just for me. I'm just like three
nine year old and my kid is just five. And
then when he has like because I do follow a
lot of this Instagram reels and they're so cute and predictive,
feeling like you're just on a binge eating stuff like

(54:14):
if it all you're in a depression and then you
bringe eating. I guess as a similar content is being
driven by social media, whether it is on eggs or
in star reels, they just gave you more and more
and then we get that dopamine effect, like as if
that you're getting stuck into that, and then what happens
from then on is more or less Unknowingly, you'ld have
spent an hour work of your life every day getting

(54:39):
consumed into something that is not even useful.

Speaker 8 (54:43):
And.

Speaker 20 (54:45):
Then what happens is this, especially, I have this addiction
of watching just before I go to bed, so that
will have an impact even when I go to reap
and even in dreams sometimes some of these contents will
just popping, like annoyingly or knowingly, and that is having
an impact on subconscious mind also. And then we are

(55:07):
almost getting at that age where everything is just defined
by these sixty seconds rather than having we don't have
the patience.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
Yeah it.

Speaker 20 (55:19):
Has been so eat walk.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
So aj. We're just losing you a bit. Just move
around a bit and hopefully that clears up. Now, Yeah
that's good. Yeah, perfect.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
So, so basically what you're saying is not not only
does it you know, you look up from these short
form videos and not only have you not learned anything
by watching them, but you've lost your ability and you've
decreased your ability to actually learn and and taken information
from more helpful sources.

Speaker 20 (55:54):
That's right. Yeah, I was found it up that way.
It's almost like having going for a restaurant and ordering
and reading for and are to eat a very good cuisine.
Was just going for a megpeak for two minutes, get
the burger. It's almost like the content is getting in
that fast space and we're liking that.

Speaker 14 (56:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Well, I mean I think it's very similar to that
to junk food as opposed to healthy food. If you
keep eating junk food, then you find it way harder
to enjoy, you know, good good food. You know, it's
like it's like sugar. You know, I used to have
like four five I used to have at the peak.
I used to have four teaspoons of sugar in my coffee, cheese, mate,

(56:35):
And now I have no sugar in my coffee. Ye
and tastes so incredibly sweet to have any sugar in
my coffee. It's the same kind of thing, right.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah, but you've got to Did you have to wean
yourself off of sugar a little bit? Or you just
went cold Turkey?

Speaker 2 (56:48):
I went cold Turkey, but it was disgusting for a while,
but now I can't believe it. If I have if
someone hands me a coffee it's got a sugar in it,
then then it's disgusting to me.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to cool. Love to hear your thoughts. Are you stuck
in this doom scrolling? What have you done? Do you
admit that you are getting a bit dumber?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah? You feeling like your attention span is shrinking thanks
to these short form videos.

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Speaker 3 (58:27):
Thank you very much, Jody, having a great discussion about
brain rots.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
So we're talking about this analysis of several neuroscientific research
papers are saying that increasing warning, they're noting increasingly warning
that excessive consumption of short form content such as tiktoks,
reels and YouTube shorts may impair attention, memory and impulse control,
potentially causing greater damage than that linked to moderate alcohol use.

(58:55):
You know, short term video appears attention spans, slows responses
and reduces executive control. Well, we know alcohol slows processing
and appears executive functionally.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Which is terrified.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
But long term, they're suggesting that that it might actually
be worse for you watching these short term videos, these
short form videos. This text says, this report is great,
but can you please ask the author to break it
down into ten to fifteen second videos. Tough to stay focused.
Cheers Charles.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Yeah, we hear you, Charles. We'll get it on TikTok
for you.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
And this Texas says. Derek says, Hey guys, every evening
I do the triple whamming. I have a few beers
and a doo bee, then scroll deep into the night.
I feel like I'm turning into a brainless jellyfish. Ha fun, Derek, Michael,
you've uninstalled social media?

Speaker 21 (59:46):
Yeah, uninstalled after a painstaking process of reinstalling and uninstalling.
But I've done a good couple of months and it's
been pretty good so far.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Were you on the yeah, the reels or in the TikTok?

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:00:01):
I was on reels.

Speaker 21 (01:00:02):
I wasn't on TikTok, but the reels and the YouTube shorts, yeah, yeah, taking.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Up my day. How much time is? How much time
are you spending on it? Michael?

Speaker 22 (01:00:16):
I think I was sort of in the two hours
a day sort of landmark. So it was pretty rough, like,
you know, just scrolling you feel so ship up?

Speaker 20 (01:00:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
What was was? What was that? What was your feeling?
What was what? If you could sum up I asked
this of a caller before, if you could sum up
on one word, how you felt when you got off?

Speaker 22 (01:00:42):
Do you know what a P and C stands for?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
P and C?

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
No, can you say it on the radio?

Speaker 16 (01:00:49):
Probably not.

Speaker 9 (01:00:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Yeah, it's not property in causality insurance, I'm sure.

Speaker 7 (01:01:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:01:03):
But what a lot of people for like sort of
don't talk about is like how good the videos? You know,
like you see some people doing some really cool stuff, Like,
you know, I saw a video of some guy doing
an iron Man in like Antarctica or something.

Speaker 16 (01:01:18):
Just crazy stuff.

Speaker 21 (01:01:20):
Yeah, and like it's really good forms of entertainment. There's
some really funny stuff out there, and you sort of
like getting through your day to day and sort of
the mundane stuff is pretty hard when you have that
availability to sort of be entertained.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Yeah, and it seems to know pretty quickly exactly what
you like. For me, it immediately goes to if one
memes military hardware and powerwashing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Power washing, that would be exciting to watch easily.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Have you seen any power washing Michael.

Speaker 16 (01:01:56):
No, none of those.

Speaker 22 (01:01:58):
You get a couple of them by.

Speaker 16 (01:01:59):
The scroll path.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
You're twenty, so it isn't targeting you with the same
stuff as me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Yeah. I've just loaded up Instagram. Actually you just see
what will pull up, And you're quite right. I'm just
looking at some pretty full noise louge racing and bali
and it's fantastic. They're flying off the side. It looks amazing.
But this is the sort of stuff we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
So, Michael, did you find your attention your focus drifted
after watching you know, short form videos for two hours
a day, one.

Speaker 21 (01:02:32):
Hundred percent one hundred percent, and it's like it takes
an instant effect. And yeah, like normal things like if
I'm cooking food, I'll just be like checking my phone.

Speaker 16 (01:02:45):
All the time, and you like, when you realize it's
sort of too late, you throw the phone. Yeah, it's yeah, rough,
it's not nice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
How do you go with a normal ninety to ninety
minute to two hour movie?

Speaker 8 (01:03:03):
Pretty good.

Speaker 23 (01:03:04):
I'm pretty into my movies. Yeah, I usually a phone away.

Speaker 16 (01:03:08):
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty good with my movies.

Speaker 24 (01:03:11):
But like I'll see a lot of movie scenes on reels.

Speaker 16 (01:03:16):
And I'll be watching through them and really enjoying them.
But I'll be thinking to myself, like, why don't I
just watch the whole movie instead of going through all
these things?

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Yeah, because that's the thing, now, isn't it just break
down a movie into i don't know, ten one minute clips.

Speaker 16 (01:03:36):
Yeah, yeah, play a thing, get you hooked on it.

Speaker 22 (01:03:38):
But that's you know, that's another positive.

Speaker 16 (01:03:40):
Thing you can take. Like a lot of movies I've
never heard of came up on my algorithm and I
went on to watch them and really enjoy them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
That's good. That's a good usage of it.

Speaker 24 (01:03:53):
It was the same thing with sort of exercise and
like travel ideas, where you sort of see something and
if you take inspiration from it, you can actually pursue it.
But most people usually just scroll on to the next
thing and sort of use it as entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
What do you think the chances of seeing a piece
of information and then jumping off the short form video
and finding a long form article on the subject or
reading a book on the subject.

Speaker 7 (01:04:25):
Very low?

Speaker 21 (01:04:28):
Very low.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Do you find when you know, when you're in this, this, this,
these periods of watching you know, doom scrolling, you know,
putting a loaded term on it. You know, in those periods,
did you find it harder to focus at workout how
to affect your work ethic and such.

Speaker 23 (01:04:48):
Not really.

Speaker 16 (01:04:49):
I mean I'm a laborer, so it's pretty like hands
on and keeps me entertained. It's it's just more like
the empty space, like if you have time where you're
not really doing anything, you just have that It's.

Speaker 24 (01:05:02):
Like sort of that urge for a cigarette, same sort
of thing where you're just like reaching for the phone,
you know, as an instinct.

Speaker 16 (01:05:11):
Yeah, yeah, and you're just fill in the space.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
And there's what it would be for a lot of people,
right Michael. It's a distraction, and we've most of us
have got quite a lot of things going on in
our lives, are in our hids anyway, and to have
that wee distraction, even for thirty seconds at a time,
it can be a comfort. But the hard part of that,
it just becomes a vicious cycle, right.

Speaker 7 (01:05:31):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 16 (01:05:32):
And like what I found is I've gone through so
many phases where I'm like, oh well, I'll just try
and do it less, or I'll limit myself to these
certain apps and stuff. But the only thing that's really
worked is cold Turkey. Yeah, Like, like even the way
it's set up, they sort of like this guy before

(01:05:54):
was talking.

Speaker 25 (01:05:54):
About long, long versions of YouTube videos, but they have
all the short like sort of in your face and
trying to get you to click on them, and you know,
it's pretty hard.

Speaker 22 (01:06:07):
To sort of try and balance it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
So you say, just get right off there, you get
the hell out of there, because that that is that's
I mean, that's the attention economy, isn't it. So they
want they want to give you as it's like the
Pokey's really they just want to give you enough to
just keep you staying on for as long as possible.
How do you feel mentally when you in the periods
that you're off way better? Yeah, you have to go.

Speaker 16 (01:06:29):
You have to go through periods where you're choosing boredom
over like infinite entertainment, And it's a pretty hard mental
struggle with yourself. But you do, like you do have
your general feeling.

Speaker 22 (01:06:44):
Sort of come back to that base level.

Speaker 26 (01:06:46):
It's actually really good.

Speaker 22 (01:06:48):
Like if you do sort of walks in the bush.

Speaker 16 (01:06:51):
And you don't have your phone on you.

Speaker 27 (01:06:53):
At all, you can like seriously feel the effect after
like four days, you know, Yeah, like you just feel
so clear and like all that you know, yeah, clog
has been washed out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Yeah, well, I guess try and keep that that emotion
and that feeling of well being in your in your
head and hopefully that'll prevent you getting back on them.
But good on you. A lot of people don't have
the resilience or the presence of mind actually attempt to
get off there. People your age, the good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
On you, Michael, Yeah, cheer, good luck mate, and as.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Chat, thank you for talking to us well over a minute. Yeah,
I've zoned in.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
What a good man. That is oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Love your
thoughts about brain rotten being on social media. It is
nineteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Matt Heathan Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Sai'd be It is sixteen to three, Nathan, Very good
afternoon to you. So you're a good dad. You take
your kids to swimming practice, but you've noticed ninety nine
percent of people around the swimming poolar on their phones.

Speaker 19 (01:08:02):
Yep, that's the way it is.

Speaker 21 (01:08:03):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:08:03):
I go there, I make a proper effort not to
get my phone out of my pocket. I manager the
there's miss so my phone's going all the time. But
I look at everyone and not one person's watching their kid.
And it's even when you go to things like you know,
you might go to the Prish and Chip shop to
pick up your food and everyone's in the waiting room,
no one's no one's talking to each other, everyone has

(01:08:24):
their phone out and everyone's looking down and it's just
really weird.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
It's depressing, isn't it. I've seen this when I've been
you know, my kids are older now, but I'll walk
past the playground and you'll see the kids on the
swings and on the on the slides, and the parents
are sitting around on their phones looking at their phones,
missing the greatest moments of their life really, which is
the bringing up of your children.

Speaker 19 (01:08:50):
That's the thing about everything. Every sphere moment, Like if
you're watching TV and you might be watching some TV
of ads. As soon as the ads start feeling their
phones out and starts scrolling me because no one can
it seems like no one can deal with a bit
of downtime anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
It's it's you've.

Speaker 19 (01:09:05):
Got to have this constant simulation, which is just really.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Yeah, I mean that's a big part of it. People
can't be bored anymore. It's that you know the comfort
crisis situation. But for you, when you leave your phone
in your car, is there a part of your brain
that thinks, oh man, I'm going to miss that, or
is that hard to do? Or you just make that
concerned effort. The kids just will mean other occasions, the
phone stays in the car and you're happy as Larry.

Speaker 19 (01:09:28):
I don't like what Matt said, right, So you only
get one chance of being the parent and when the
kids are that young. And I was speaking to someone,
one of my wife's colleagues, whose kids have just left home,
and he said, you missed them durably. And I think,
you know, all those opportunities when you could just be
watching the swimming. I'm not. I'm not at work. I
can be on the clock after the swimming, and I

(01:09:49):
can look at things after. Yeah, you know, if they
can't wait for an hour, jeezus, what are we ing to?

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
It's kind of also like we're kind of fast forwarding
our lives as well, I believe, because you're having the
same experience over and over again. It's it's it's like
if you've been out and then in the next morning,
you can't remember the uber ride home, and that's because
you've just been staring at social media when you could
have had an opportunity to talk to the driver or whatever.
So I think people are going to find that their

(01:10:16):
lives are screaming past them because they're not like you,
Nathan Steering. You know, watching your kid learn to swim
something that you remember for the rest of your life.
It's a bunch of pointless, slightly amusing videos that have
rolled past that will roll past again and again and
again and similar things the rest of their their life.

Speaker 19 (01:10:34):
And that's so fair. There'll be people who are there
who who are running businesses, who have got legitimate emails
they need to sort out, and you know, really really
important things. There will be people doing that, but the
majority of them will be on Facebook or Instagram or whatever.
That really doesn't make any difference to your life. Even well, well,

(01:10:54):
we've got a dog a while ago, and what I've
noticed is I want the dog. Each night I see
people at the park, I talk to people, and I
just feel like communities are losing the ability to talk
to strangers and they have a conversation without a flipping
phone in your hand.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Yeah. I was even thinking about this the other day.
I was walking with my dog and I had my
ear plugs in, and I notice everyone else walking the
dog hav an ear plug in. And you see this
at the gym as well. So we're even missing out
on that opportunity to talk to people even if we're
not staring at our phone, because their phone's entertaining us
in our in our ears, and so we beget isolated

(01:11:32):
into these just inside our own little bubbles walking around
even we're walking a dog. So I've started walking my
dog and you know, me and Tracy are walking our dog.
Tracy and I are walking the dog. I'm trying to
leave the phone at home, and it's hard to leave.
It almost has to be cutting, like cutting off a limb.
But once you walk out the door, you you instantly

(01:11:53):
don't regret it. It's fine.

Speaker 19 (01:11:55):
That's the thing. We can't we can't be willed by
being available for every minute of the day.

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
Yeah, we're missing out.

Speaker 19 (01:12:02):
On just being a community and actually talking to people.
And I did a cybersecurity stay with my kids at school.
They have this expert come in and he talks about
what you should look out for what your kids on
devices and things, and he actually made a real good
point to say that your kids are allowed to be
bored and instead of saying, oh, look, you're going your

(01:12:22):
device to sort of make the argument go away a
ten minutes there or fifteen minutes there of a bit
of boredness. Yeah, it's not a bad thing, but you
need to learn how to be bored and how to
entertain yourself for that short time we're going to go.
We're going to grow up with a whole lot of
kids who are going to into adults who can't sit
still and they're going to be diagnosed with all sorts

(01:12:44):
of issues, when it really could have been sold in
the first place by just a bit of common sense.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
What it's like if you're like driving long distance with
your kids in the back. You know, when I was
a kid, it was just looking out the window or
getting punched by your sister.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, sure, but that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Now you've got two kids in the back, were plugged
into their iPads watching movies for the whole trip, never
looking out the window. I mean, it's impossible, and always
seen her until you're about thirty, but you can feel.

Speaker 19 (01:13:13):
We travel to Nelson every Christmas and it's a four
and a half five hours of drive and the kids
always complain, how warrant it? And I say, well, listen
to the radio and look outside. We don't have devices
in the car. They don't us to take in on that.
There's not what it's about. It's actually about spending time
lots beside your brother or sister, making fun of them
or getting made of you. That's the part of life.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Yeah, very very true.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
That's right. Hey, thank you so much for your call, Nathan.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Yeah, what a great call. Spot on oh, one hundred
and eighty ten, eight years and able to call. It
is eleven to three, the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Tayler Adams Afternoons News Talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Very good afternoon to you. It is eight minutes to three. Lynettes,
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 14 (01:13:59):
I'm good?

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Thank can how are you very good? Now? You had
an experience of the pools yesterday.

Speaker 14 (01:14:03):
Yeah, I just got in the car and listen to
what you were talking about, and I said, I don't
have to reinten you. So I took my seven year
old grandson to Historically Soon last night and it was
packed and it was busy, and it was noisy. It
was vibrant, you know. And I noticed this four year
old coming sup beside me with her dad, and she
wasn't showing any signs of being bored or anything and

(01:14:24):
needed anything. But he actually said to her, here, have
a look at this. And I looked over and he
had handed her his phone and it was an app
about how you make colors, you know, like blue and yellow, mate, green, whatever,
red and might make pink, and I thought, oh god,
he's missed, you know, an experience to actually show her

(01:14:45):
was real paint how you do that? But she didn't
need any distractions from the visual environment she was in.
You know. It was just like, why why give her
something like that? Were you afraid that she either know,
get bored or I don't know why he did it
was crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Yeah, and on you know, just on another level, if
you're sitting beside your kid on your phone, Yeah, even
before you hand it to them, you're teaching them, as
they always say, you know, it's your actions speak louder
than words. So there's a lot of people that are
going around, why are my kids so addicted to their phone?
While they're spending their time on the couch or on
the phone or bringing their phone to the dinner dabs.

(01:15:22):
So the first thing you've got to do is do
it Nathan does. And if you were out with your kids,
leave the phone in the car.

Speaker 14 (01:15:30):
Absolutely. And the other thing I wanted to say was,
for years my husband said to me, leave the phone
out of the beddream And I've never been a good sleeper,
But for the last three nights, I've left the phone
in the kitchen because I thought to myself, my main
worry was what if someone, you know, one of the
kids needed me, or my ninety two year old mother
needed me or something. But they never have. So I've

(01:15:51):
left it out in the kitchen for the last three
nights and slept so much better. So we don't need
our phones.

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
Yeah, you really don't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
I mean you want to make it as inconvenient as
possible because those things designed to drag you in. You
might get a text message, but then it will drag
you into a bunch of stuff. You might be watching
a movie and you want to look up, and then
you're dragged into a whole lot of stuff. So if
you want to watch a movie, put the phone in
the other room, you know, make it. Make access inconvenient
is absolutely the best way to fight it. So, as

(01:16:19):
you'll Saynette, you leave it out of your room, then
you then it's too annoying to get up and do.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
It side out of mind.

Speaker 14 (01:16:25):
Yeah. I didn't believe him, but he's right because otherwise,
you know, two hours are gone by and you're scrolling, scrolling,
it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Yeah, and just quickly Lynette, how did the grandson do
with swimming? Clearly, you were watching unlike other people.

Speaker 18 (01:16:37):
You know what.

Speaker 14 (01:16:37):
I praised him not for swimming, but for being respectful
for the teacher, because there's a few kids there who
went doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Yeah you sound like a great grandmother. Yeah yeah, I
mean that's the irony talking about the Nathan situation there before.
People might not take one, you know, so I can't
leave my phone in the car, what if there's an emergency,
But then you're on your phone when you're watching your
kids in the water, which is probably the only potential
emergency that's about it that particular time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Yeah right, thank you very much, Peter. You went cold Turkey.

Speaker 23 (01:17:06):
Oh accidentally, I was tired and I was laying in
bed and you know, your phone in your hand and
scrolling Facebook reels and then just to fall asleep. And
then I woke to these messages that for somehow I
managed to go live on Spacebox awkward, and my sleep

(01:17:29):
a very awkward. There was nostral flearing of it kind
of since that day, I don't scroll same night. I
want a movie until I'm all asleep or whatever. But
it was deleted very quickly, and the matset saw it.

(01:17:49):
I just got good ship, so I need for it
to come out at some birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
That's so you know, go live and then that'll that'll
get you off the doom shot. So yeah, absolutely, make
it access inconvenient. Leave it home when you're going for walk,
leave it in the car, when you're watching the kids
play sport, you know, leave it in the other room.
Don't take it into your bedroom. You know, it's the
best way to fight it. Otherwise it might just erase

(01:18:16):
your brain. And look, everyone else is becoming dumb from
doing it, so why don't give yourself an advantage in
life by not joining them?

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Nicely said, right, good discussion. Thank you to all the
phone calls and dixes on that one. Coming up after
three o'clock, let's talk about the cruise industry. Disney is
out of New Zealand, but we'll tell you more very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Matty
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sevvy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Very good after noon, welcome back into the program. It
is seven pass three. Let's have a chat about cruise ships.
So Disney Cruise Line has confirmed it's exiting from the
New Zealand market. The company operated it's Disney Wonder Ship
across the Tasman since twenty twenty four, but we'll relocate
to another part of the world from twenty twenty six.
That will be disappointing for a lot of people out there.
And why Tyler Well Cruise Association chief executive Jackie Lloyd,

(01:19:10):
she told my costk in this morning that the fees
imposed on ships is playing a big role both.

Speaker 28 (01:19:16):
New Zealand and Australia within the region. The charges that
we are putting in are quite expensive. So while New
Zealand definitely is very expensive, I think Australia is cooking
at our heels.

Speaker 20 (01:19:25):
A little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
See.

Speaker 11 (01:19:26):
I asked the Prime Minister about this and he says
they're working on it. Do you know that to be true.

Speaker 28 (01:19:30):
We've had some really good meetings with government. We've got
some very engaged ministers with Minister Upston, Hoggard, Costello, Meaga
and also Minister Brown and we've been working really closely
with them on solutions.

Speaker 11 (01:19:43):
If you could kill the cost and the red tape,
would it materially make a difference, Yes, it would.

Speaker 28 (01:19:48):
We would still need to do some additional promotion because
ships are leaving we'll need to go back out to
market them to bring them back, but definitely would make
a big difference. And we've had an indication from the
line so that if we do get things right, we'd
be able to see you change as early as twenty
seven to twenty eighth season. We're too late for twenty
six twenty seven at the month, but it would definitely

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make a difference.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
So let's have a chat about those costs. Those costs
she's referring to all the fees, the maritime fees, operational costs,
they would driving the downturn for these cruise shipping lines.
The border clearance agencies raise their levee, so the border
processing levies by eleven dollars per person, which the cruise
lines have to wear. And despite the decline, New Zealand
still remains a big part of the crew's international cruise destination.

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It generates one hundred and thirty five million dollars in
economic output, supporting nine hundred and thirty nine jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
So should we just wave the fees and you know,
roll out the welcome mat to cruise ships and look,
we're in a competitive market. Do we agree that they
are good for the economy? Having people steam in on
a cruise ship steam in, Yeah, steam powered cruise ships
love steamship steam in on a cruise ship and get

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off and go and spend money.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
Head.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
If we agree that's a good thing, should we wave
the fee be in the same way that we roll
out the welcome matt to events? So you know, SALGP,
for example, we're got to be more competitive, don't we.
We have, so we actually pay money to some events
to come here. But a cruise ship arriving, that's that's

(01:21:25):
thousands of people piling off and spending money here, right,
So let's just wave the feeders. Let's make it as
welcoming as possible, or am I missing something here?

Speaker 8 (01:21:35):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
According to a report out earlier this year, so get this,
the total economic output included six hundred and thirty seven
million dollars in direct spending by cruise ship, passengers, crew,
and cruise cruise lines.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
How much?

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Six hundred and thirty seven million?

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
So that's direct spending by passengers, crew and cruise lines
per year in New Zealand. That's a lot of money.
So what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty This.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Texta disagrees cruise ships should be banned. Just a bunch
of idiots doing the most base tourist activities. We don't
need them.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Wow, okay, that is a hot take.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Well what is the matter what tourist activity they use?
We put them together tourist activities, so people from overseas
tourists as they're known yep, can go and do them.
We take some cash off them, and that is an
export for our country and we make money.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Off them fleece them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
So what does it matter if they're base activities? And
what do you mean by base activities? You know the
ships that used to come into port Charmers. I'd see
them out on the excursion train, fantastic train down there
in Dneda. Is that a base activity?

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Well, it's a good boon for any any city or
town within New Zealand that gets cruise passengers coming in there.
Any business I think would tell you we love it.
We love them coming in and spending their money. And
isn't that what tourism is all about in this country
is that we want to fleece these guys. So to
make it easier to come in seems like a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Wave the fees. Matt you muppet, who's going to cover
the port costs? Well, that's what I'm saying. If it
means they're not going to come and over rule our
economy is going to go down the toilet a little
bit for what a percentage of people not turning up
and spending their money here, then and we're we're competing,
as we are competing with the rest of the world,

(01:23:22):
and we're competing for where the cruise ships go, don't
we We wanted to put the best foot forward we
possibly can. And if they're saying it's the fees that
are stopping them coming, then wave the goddamn fees and
make more money overall, because this isn't the goal just
to enrich our company our country. Isn't that the point
of tourism?

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Yeah, what do you say? Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is twelve
past three news talk zebby for a good afternoonsue fourteen
past three. So the cruise industry is turning its back
on New Zealand and increasing numbers. The latest is Disney Cruise.
They want no part of us. They're going to take
their cruise tours elsewhere for the twenty twenty six season.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
This Texas says cruise ships are late stage capitalism, discussing
opulents sucking up to that evil wealth should not be
consideration for our country now. When not? When we have
homeless people on every corner. How's the poor before you
invite the fat rich Americans? I mean, you need money
coming into the country so you can spend money on

(01:24:23):
social services. If the country is going bankrupt. You know,
third world countries don't have social services. Yeah, in the
same way as first world countries, So you have to
try and milk the wealthy for the good of your country.
If our country is so screwed that we have to
give it away for free, then why do we bother?
At Tiroa is the most desired place in the world.

(01:24:44):
They will come without wiping fees. But they're not coming.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
No, This one's quite full noise as well. The cruise
industry is notorious that upselling the benefit of their plague
ships and glossing over the downside such as climate damage,
low balling local providers while heavily marking up tours and
ever popular virus outbreaks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
The plague ships. Plague Ships, there's that documentary on Netflix
at the moment that what is it the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Poop cruise that look like a bad time?

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Beven says. The base activity is an activity that can
be completed in one day and within reach of transport
of the cruise ship. So if the cruise ship came
into the need and anything in the general Denni area
that could be reached by means of a short base trip,
bus trip or a tour on a van, that is
a base activity. Going to Wanaka would not be a
base activity for a ship at Dunedin for example. Okay, yeah,

(01:25:29):
but what's wrong with that? What's because some were saying
that that, I mean that the complaint was that it
was all just base activities. But that's fine, isn't it.
If you set up an activity, if you've got a
cruise ship coming in, and you set it an activity
that you can sell to the passengers of the cruise
ship and make money, then the system's working right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Yeah, it's all about fleecing them for as much money
as possible, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
John, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on.

Speaker 29 (01:25:52):
This, Yeah, and I think we should definitely be giving
them here.

Speaker 18 (01:25:58):
You know, it's the peripheral stuff as well, like how
many people might finish their cruise here and then have
a week or two story around his y. Probably not
even in those figures. How many people didn't want to
come back to New Zealand because they have done some
base activities. I said, the other guys said, and come

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back later.

Speaker 30 (01:26:20):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:26:21):
I mean, I'm just on a big cruise, and I
mean people are raving about our country.

Speaker 7 (01:26:25):
The whole time, you know.

Speaker 18 (01:26:26):
And I was up in the Northern Hemisphere and you
sit around a bunch of table with a bunch of
people and you say, you're from New Zealand. Now don't
want to talk to the people from England or Australia.
They want to talk to me because you know, we're
such a great place to come to. So I think
we should be getting them down here as much as
we can with open arms.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Yeah, and look, we've got to accept this that we
are desired, and we are you know, we're a dream
location for a lot of people. But we are in
the absolute middle of nowhere. So a lot of people
want to come, but it's not easy to come here.
So I personally believe we do not want to be

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making it hard for cruise ships to decide to choose
New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (01:27:11):
No, well, it's an easy way to get here, you know,
if they do Australia in New Zealand and taking three
or four parts here, you know, it's a it's a
it's a different way of traveling.

Speaker 29 (01:27:21):
As I've done a.

Speaker 18 (01:27:21):
Few big, big cruises, but you see some incredible places.
You know, I'm always looking to where the cruise is going,
not just the cruise itself.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
I mean they also sorry you go, John finished.

Speaker 18 (01:27:33):
Yeah, yeah, sorry. Also the big thing is, like, you know,
I've just been away and you're paying, say for a
bottle you pay ten dollars for a here, you've been
paying twelve fourteen euro and not even not even you know,
worrying about.

Speaker 23 (01:27:48):
It, you know, because you're away for a good time.

Speaker 18 (01:27:51):
So and of course with the way the dollar was
and the euro is for our dollar, I mean it's
it's you know, we should be chashing these guys more problems.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Yeah, can you get your thoughts on this, John, I
mean the key to me is they've got to be
able to booth here and let the tourists off and
spend money at the local shops. And then I look
at the Disney Cruise I might be wrong. You've been
on the Disney cruise, but there is bugger all spending
on our soil for a Disney cruise. Most of them
are key. We's jumping on this cruise that shoots off
to maybe one of the islands and then circles around

(01:28:21):
the country for a couple of days and then comes
back to port. So those sort of cruisers, I mean,
as far as I'm concerned, Disney see you later. We're
not going to miss you. But the ones that come
here and birth and let off the rich tourists to
come and spend up large come on in.

Speaker 18 (01:28:35):
Oh, definitely, definitely. You know, I didn't realize that Disney cruise.

Speaker 7 (01:28:38):
I was sort of like that.

Speaker 18 (01:28:39):
But it's like it's one of those or you can cruisers,
isn't it.

Speaker 29 (01:28:43):
Yeah, then come back three days later? You know you
put on them.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
I told there was there was a there was a
promotion a couple of years ago, and a lot of
friends of mine went on the Disney cruise and we're
posting a lot to Instagram, and to me that looked
like some kind of living hell.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
That cruise. I saw the pictures. I know what you're
talking about. I thought jeepers. That's dystopia.

Speaker 18 (01:29:07):
They take you.

Speaker 29 (01:29:07):
But again, like I went from a rye went on
the Rhine for eight days for one hundred and eighty
people on the boat, and then on to a Holland America,
a boat with two and a half thousand people.

Speaker 18 (01:29:21):
Yeah, three weeks and it takes a few days to
adjust to that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
Yeah, but it's all good fun.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
But but you know, you know, on one of those
river cruises, they just look phenomenal because every every you know,
killome there is something amazing to look at. I mean
those cruises, I mean I look at those and I
go My dad went on and one a couple of
years ago in Europe and he was just seending me
hundreds of shots with his feet in them of just

(01:29:48):
these incredible shots all through Europe. Those ones look and incredible.
It's hard for us to compete with that down here
because I've been in cruise cruise in the Pacific and
a lot of the time you're just three sixty ocean
around you.

Speaker 29 (01:30:02):
Yeah, the River one is definitely, it's definitely good.

Speaker 18 (01:30:05):
But one hundred and eighty people, my wife and I
I were probably among the younger people on board, kind
of sort of take that into a founderweab.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Yeah, yeah, I did it. I committed a terrible crime
in a cruise ship. But I don't think I can
talk about it early.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
You definitely can. We're going to do that after play
some messages.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
It's not as bad as that sounded.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
This is going to be a mess of mere copper.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
It was a humiliating cockup that I that. I yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
Anyway, all right then, so you're gonna ever think about that,
but that is coming up very shortly. Oh, one hundred
eighty ten eighty. Do we need to make it as
easy as possible for cruise ships to come to this country?

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
My dad used to say that someone's just texted through
from from his river cruise through Europe. Another freaking cathedral
that you can say that about that? Yeah, there was
so many cathedrals.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
You see one, you see them all. It's twenty one
past three.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news talk, said.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Very good afternoon. Should we make it as easy as
possible for cruise ships to come to this country? Many
are turning their back on New Zealand because I say
it's too expensive maritime fees, border levies. The list goes on.
What do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
To call this Texas says, don't knock the Disney cruises
until you've been on one with little ones. It's utterly
magical and entertainment that is worth. It's actually Broadway level
customer services, next level worth every cent lot. I will
walk back those ignorant comments. It was just one particular
friend of mine that was posting a lot from the
Disney cruise that annoyed me. But I'm a huge disney

(01:31:37):
Land fan. I went to Disneyland and stayed in the
Disneyland Hotel, and I found it more magical than my
kids did. I was going, look, look it's the bloody
Mickey Mouse. Yeah, and they were like, they don't care
about Mickey Mouse kids these days. In fact, we decided
to spring on our kids that we were taking them
to Disneyland, and on the way to the airport, we

(01:31:58):
were like, we're going to Disneyland and the kids were
like where. Because Disneyland isn't as big for some young
kids now, then we had to just fill them full
of Disneyland propaganda. On the plane there and for the
rest of the trip in Los Angeles before they got there,
and by the time they got there, they were pretty hyped,
but they weren't as hyped as we were for Disneyland.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
You would have love this Disney cruise.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
So I want to walk back. I want to walk
back my comments on Disneyland. But I believe you have
to go to the original Disneyland and beside California.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
World, Anaheim.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Is it Anaheim? Yeah? Yeah, I think the other disney Land.
This might be controversial, but I think the Florida Disneyland,
je jep Japan, Tokyo Disneyland, Europe Disneyland, I don't. I
think they they're just copy and pastes. You've got to
go to the original.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
I'll take your word for it. Yeah, if you've been
to those places before one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
But this person is very much against the cruise ships.
Nah if they're almost as bad as backpackers. They eat
and drink on the boat and shop at the foreign
designer stores near the ports, not to mention the beep
and pollution and evasive seaweeds, et cetera. They dump here.

(01:33:02):
See you later. I won't miss them.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Yeah, but they have to clean themselves beforehand. They have
to show that their ships are clean, that that invasive
stuff's not true. And also, what was the figure you said,
six hundred and eighty million dollars brought into the economy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Yeah, and that's just the spend. So that's the local
spend in the economy. That was last year six hundred
and thirty seven million dollars in direct spending my passenger
crew and cruise lines.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
I've seen some cruise ship passengers spending a of a
lot and getting massively steamed at restaurants on wa Heicki Island.
That's what we want, and you're just pumping the money
in good one, guys, bend over for the billionaires. That's
all you guys ever promote on your show. How about
we lay out the welcome mat, as you say, for
people in need, not cruise ship tourists. Well, the thing is,

(01:33:47):
if you just only lay out the welcome mat for
people in need, then your country becomes a country in need. Yeah,
what you have, and it was if you think it's
only billionaires on cruise ships, you don't know much about anyway.
Welcome to the show, David Hey, you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
You're so yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:34:09):
Look, I'm not too personally, I'm not too concerned about
Disney pulling out of New Zealand, not for I mean,
the market is probably wrong for Disney in Australia and
New Zealand, for the Disney cruises, and you know, I
think by making a decision based on a number of
other things, I think the port fees and so forth

(01:34:33):
are a little bit of a red hearing. You know,
the ships hold it's a very old ship and in
the scale of things, a ship that was built in
ninety ninety five is getting very close to being sold.
And that's the Disney wonder that comes down this way.
So they will be making decisions and they don't have

(01:34:56):
a lot of ships Disney Disney cruise lines don't have
a huge amount of ships in their fleet, and a
lot of those ships, the bigger ships specifically, will be
cruising through the Caribbean and Western Eastern Caribbean and uh
and those places where they get high high rent, high
value for their customers. Whereas post in New Zealand, you know,

(01:35:18):
it's it's a long journey and kids don't like to be,
you know, stuck on a ship necessarily on a two
three day trip across the Tazi or whatever. So it's yeah,
I just think that it's not exactly what you're what
you're hearing is not what it's actually real. Because I
spent six years on Christians.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
Mate, Right, yeah, what did you do?

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
What did you do on the ships? David?

Speaker 10 (01:35:39):
So I was a I went for American brand. I
was the art director on the ship on ship, so
I worked for multiple brands. I worked in Royal Caribbean
Celebrity Hall in America.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
What does what does an art director to do? David?

Speaker 10 (01:35:55):
We conduct displays, auctions and so forth.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
On the on the ship high level.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
What an interesting life that would have been? It was awesome.

Speaker 10 (01:36:05):
Yeah, it was great. It was great life. And I
I had the best of both was I got. I
got to mingle with the passengers and also got to
hang out with the crew. So I got I got
the best of books swells mate, you know, and I
saw a lot of the ships I saw that I
was involved in the you know, we had management meetings
every cruise, and you know, I got a good taste
of what is required and Disney. Disney is a good brand,

(01:36:28):
but it's a very American brand, and I don't think
I honestly think that what they're doing is using port
fees and so forth, customs, immigration costs and defouling and
all of those things as a bit of a excuse
because the ship will be sold. I can guarantee that
ship will be going to scrap them.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
But so maybe Disney's not right for New Zealand. But
what about other cruise ships? Do you support making it
easier for other cruise ships to come to New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (01:36:55):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:36:55):
Absolutely, Look, I'm a big supporter of the cruise line industry.
I think it's a great revenue owner.

Speaker 9 (01:37:01):
It's great.

Speaker 10 (01:37:02):
It's a great face plate for New Zealand and Australia
for as far as you know, getting pickle around. I mean,
New Zealand's a great place for cruises. It's just getting
the passengers, the right sort of passengers. Guests who say
guests to a New Zealand you know, they do spend
on import you know, I know Danedin and christ Huch
and Cardonger and Auckland and so forth, so the good value.

(01:37:26):
They like to get out and see things. It's very
probably more suitable to the sort of the thirty plus
age group as opposed to young young families. You know,
you know you because Disney is a young it's a
young brand for you know, their customer. Their customer is
you know, kids for four or five, six, seven, eight
year old you know, ten year old, eleven year old kids.

(01:37:47):
Parents don't want to be drinking them around the wineries
or you know what I mean, it's they want The
ships are designed specifically to keep them on the ship
as long as possible, and that's.

Speaker 30 (01:37:59):
The truth of it.

Speaker 10 (01:38:00):
I mean, I've been on ships.

Speaker 30 (01:38:01):
I've lived on ships with four and.

Speaker 10 (01:38:02):
A half five thousand passengers and you know they the
cruise lines make their money on excursions and keeping them
in the casinos and keeping them in the bars and
the restaurants and all that sort of good stuff. So yeah,
I just think that I think the brands had had
a sort of look look at their ship that they've
got available in New Zealand Australia. They're probably not willing

(01:38:25):
to allocate a ship one of their other ships in
newer ships down here yet, and they're just wanting to
they'll probably fail that the wonder back to wherever it's
going to go. It might even get scrapped. I'm not sure,
but so.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
David, if we if Disney isn't the way, but you
think other cruise ships are great for the economy. If
we can get the right cruise ships in with the
right passengers on it. What's the best way to make
New Zealand attractive?

Speaker 10 (01:38:50):
Okay, so well we don't need to yeah, so it's
a good question. We don't need to make New Zealand
anymore tractors as far as how it is. But yeah,
the accessibility, definitely, we need to work alongside the cruise
line industries and see what we can do to facilitate
you know, them getting in here without you know, little
costs back, but you can't get away from and it's

(01:39:11):
a tourism. We've got to make sure that the biosecurity
is uphill because you know, these things drag a lot
of bad stuff around the world and we've seen that
in Fjordland. We've got to make sure that the ships
are well looked as far as looked after. We make
sure that they're not carrying any foreign bio products that
we don't want. Of course, customs, you've got to member crew.

(01:39:33):
I mean some of these ships have thy fifteen in
some cases nearly two thousand crew. These are humans that
are working in really hard conditions, and they party hard,
and they do sometimes they do some silly things. So
we need to make sure that you know that these
guys are well governed and you know, make sure that
customs are you know, that's all done and dusted, you know,

(01:39:55):
and cost money to do that. So I think the
short answer is just work alongside the cruise line isustries.
I don't think we're going to lose the big brands
like Royal Caribbean, Holland America and you know, even Celebrity
and those of the brands. I think they'll continue to
want to come here because there's a great value proposition for.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
The captoiners nicely said David, thank you very much. We've
got the headlines coming up, but can you hear your
views on one hundred and eighty ten eighty Do we
need to do what it takes to get the cruise
companies come in here? Love your thoughts and should I
share the shocking crime I command cruise ship.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Yes about fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Years ago nine nine two, just say yes.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
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Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
Thank you very much, Jady. We're talking about cruise ships.
Do we need to grease the wheels, make it as
easy as possible to be competitive and bring them here
so they spend money.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
So I've got to walk back my comments about Disney,
and I feel bad of it. I said that the
Disney cruise didn't look like a lot of fun to me. Yeah,
I think I said it looked like a living hell dystopia.
But it might have been just the time that my
friend on the cruise ship that was posting about four
thousand Instagram shots a day. Maybe that was the problem.
Because I'm actually a huge fan of Disneyland. But also
I said that I think the only Disneyland that is

(01:42:30):
a real Disneyland that should count as a Disneyland as
the one in Anaheim.

Speaker 8 (01:42:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
The six is my friends and I are what you
would probably call Disney fanatics. I've so far been to
Ford Disney parks around the world, including Los Angeles, Orlando, Paris,
and Tokyo, and I would say without a doubt Disney
World in Florida is the best, and if you're looking
to bring your kids on a vacation, that is the
one to go to.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
Right here you go. You're having to row back on
a lot of Disney comments.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Well, I'm just a Disney purist. The one I saw
on TV when I was a kid. Yeah, and I
know that they've rebuilt it in the same sort of way,
but you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
Know, I can't go past the og.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Troy Welcome to the Show. Went to a presentation by
Ports of Auckland. What do they say about the problems
getting cruise ships down here?

Speaker 13 (01:43:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 30 (01:43:14):
He was quite interesting. The CEO his name skating at
this minute, but he said that he went to a
recent cruise industry seminar overseas and introduced himself as the
CEO from New Zealand and they said, ah, you've got
the nick.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
Oh no, oh no, I think we've just lost to.

Speaker 26 (01:43:34):
Troy the Biodiversity.

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
Can can you can you?

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
Can you? Can you say that again? Can you say
that again? Troyce? Sorry, you just you just jumped out
for the last fifteen seconds. Can you just say that
last little bit again?

Speaker 30 (01:43:45):
Apologies? Yeah, I was at a presentation and as their
CEO is named Skating at this minute said that he
went to a recent cruise industry presentation overseas, and when
he said that he was the CEO from New Zealand,
they said that the nickname for New Zealand is called
no Zealand in the cruise industry. Given the fact that
it's so hard to get cruise ships into here because

(01:44:06):
of the biodiversity and the red tape, I suppose it
sounded like there are cruise companies that wanted to come
to New Zealand, but they just put it all in
the too hard basket when they worked out the returns
and their compliance that they needed to do, which is unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Yeah, so we definitely want to keep the boats clean.
We don't want them dragging a bunch of horrific stuff
that destroys our you know, ecology. Yeah, whatever we need,
you know, like what's happened in Fueler and stuff. But
we want them here as well, so we need to well,
I believe we want them here. A whole lot of surprise,

(01:44:43):
amount of text don't want them there because there's rich
people on them, which for some reason, some people don't
like wealthy people spending their money here. I don't quite
get that. I think if there's wealthy people and we
can take some of that money off them and keep
it here, that's a good thing. But anyway, that's by
the buye. So the red tape is that? Is that
an issue as much as the fees? From what you.

Speaker 30 (01:45:04):
Heard, yeah, they didn't really talk so much about the
fiscal Yeah, they said it was more around the compliance
and the administration. But and there's much the biodiversity. But
I would have thought that comparable countries like Australia, Fiji
would all have similar regulations. And I can't see why
because because it is I don't know if you've seen,

(01:45:25):
but the cruise ships you know, regularly visit into the
ports of Sydney, Brisbane and along the East coast there,
and there's there's a lot more choice.

Speaker 15 (01:45:33):
I mean, we used.

Speaker 30 (01:45:34):
To do a few cruisers ourselfs out of Auckland, but
we found that the choices are just getting less and
less and that really if we want to do it,
we have to fly to Australia to get from some
choice there. So it sounds like New Zealand's you know,
got in the too hard basket. And I would have
thought we would have didn't. I can't see why would
be any harder this Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Yeah, I think if you cool, Troy, Yeah, we want
to be in the easy basket because so there's that
there's rules about making sure that the I'm not sure
what the exact wall wording is, but you have to
have cleaned the hull within thirty days of of arriving here,
and you can get there's hull inspections to make sure
that you're not dragging in some evil disease, seaweed or whatever.

(01:46:20):
But imagined that would be the case for a lot
of countries.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
Yeah, and that's important. But what I mean, surely there's
ways that we can help those cruise ships get that
done easier. And even if that we front up a
discount or or some of those costs ourselves to get
them in here, then the return on that spend and
as I mentioned before, it was six hundred and thirty
seven million dollars last year. Surely, even if we spend

(01:46:44):
fifty million dollars to make it as easy as possible
to do those things, the biosecurity checks. That's value for money,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
I see in twenty twenty three p and O specific
adventure was a night entry to New Zealand Ports over
excessive biofouling.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
It's a great word, biofouling.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
Yeah and so and the line had to pay all
the costs of diverting, cleaning and rear owned passengers.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
You bio failed the studio on quite a few occasions.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Actually, look, I've got a stomachsh.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
No judgment or judgment, just facts, victim blame. Oh, eight
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love your thoughts on the cruise situation? Do we need
to make it as easy as possible? It's eighteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
A fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heathen Taylor
Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten
eighty youth Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
There be it is a quarter to four. There's a
lot of people texting Matt saying when are you going
to get to your your story? Ama Kolper, the story
about discussing behavior on a cruise ship.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
No, I didn't. It wasn't disgusting behavior.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
Okay, all right, sorry it was.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
It was a terrible mistake I made on a cruiser,
A horrible horrible mistake. Hey guys, is John, there are
small tourist operators in every port servicing the passenger requirements
who are paying tax. I think the government do very
well out of cruise ships. Cheers John. Yeah, I can't
quite understand some of these texts saying that we don't
want the money from I'm just trying to get my

(01:48:08):
head around this text. Bend over for billionaires, that's all
you guys ever promote. How about we lay out the
welcome mat as you say, for people and need not
cruise ship tourists. Cruise ships are late stage capitalism, says
and other text of discussing opulents. Sucking up to that
evil wealth should not be a consideration, not when we

(01:48:29):
have homeless people on every corner. How's the poor before
we invite fat rich Americans to your country? I mean,
I think people are missing the gap. I mean you
need money to be able to look after people. Social
programs don't work very well and completely bankrupt countries. So
people coming over here and spending money is good.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
Yeah, it'll help everyone in the long run. We promise
you that we like bringing money in.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
So you guys, some of the stupid anti cruise ship,
anti rich people comments clear to demonstrate the complete ignorance
of the way an economy works, ye said, lie, and
welcome to the show.

Speaker 26 (01:49:05):
Hey guys, good, I guess my opinion on the matter is, God,
we definitely need cruise ships. I've seen pre COVID and
after COVID. I used to work on the ferries in Auckland.
Then you'd have three or four cruise ships in a day.
Auckland would be buzzing, and that the thousands of people

(01:49:26):
walking around, and you know, last couple of years in
the CBD whenever you'd have a cruise ship in God,
a lot of them that are departing from Auckland now
aren't actually international businesses as such. There you know, those
Disney cruises that we're talking about, just a lot of locals.
So I guess we need to go back to the

(01:49:51):
with I guess cruise ships were coming in left run center.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
So yes, it's not it's not great for our economy.
If a cruise ship just pulls up and a bunch
of kiwis jump on board and throw all their money
into the casino and on the cruise ship and then
get off again, that's not what we want. We want
a bunch of overseas people coming here and dining ol
Risco and blowing a whole lot of money at restaurants
and other services in our country.

Speaker 26 (01:50:18):
Exactly, exactly, And I guess another important part is you know,
in the last couple of years we've lost p and
O cruises, what they've went bankrupt or collapsed in the
last year or so. And then you've also had Virgin
cruises as well pull out of New Zealand and Australia.
So you know two major ones right there was I

(01:50:38):
guess the cheaper cruisers was p and O and then
I guess more luxury with Virgins not coming anymore. So again,
you know, we should be getting rid of the taxes
for these guys or making some sort of incentive for
them to come back. Yeah, especially for the big sensers
like Aufoloing, christ Church, Wellington, Dunedin. We need them after COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I wonder if we can target it. Basically,
we go and pitch to the cruises that we think
will have the most people getting off the ship because
they want to have a New Zealand experience as opposed
to a the cruisers that are just here to take money,
get pack up full of kiwis and take them away.

(01:51:22):
Or the cruise ships where people are just staying in
the casino. You know, we want to somehow target the
ones where they all get off, they go and do
the tourist thing. They go and visit the places they
go and have a drink that they unleash their bank
accounts into our bank accounts spasically. Give us those cruise ships.
That's what we want. Thank you for your call. Liam.
If you have, if you have lost the revenue from

(01:51:43):
the cruise ships, and subsidize the port fees. Remember, getting
four dollars instead of ten dollars is better than getting
zero dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
As this text, Yeah, good text. This one sees guys
port fees overinflated, probably because of inefficiencies and running port
companies and red tape bureacracy a bit like our councils
in our rates. Fortunately for cruise ships they can take
their business house where unlike rate payers shame because they
do provide and come for the country.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
Yeah, and what the hell is wrong with your tea?
Does not all of us have to be poor? Michael? Yeah?
Where I want to go into it it's silly.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love to hear your thoughts on this. We've
got a few more minutes. The text are coming in
thick and fast. What else do you say, though? I mean,
I just don't know if you can get it into
a debate with some of these people saying that we
don't like having people spend money in the country and stuff.
It is ten to fourth.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
Just poor people coming into the country, honorable poor people
in the ships. No rich overseas people that we can
fleece for money. It's not going to help us by
virtue of being wealthy. They're bad people when we don't
want their money. I think that's the logic. But as
this person says, who do the cruise haters think pay
their benefits?

Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
They'd be afternoon. It is seven to four. A couple
of tears on the cruise ships. The current cruise ship topic,
Guys sums up New Zealand's underlying issue beautifully. People appear
to not understand that without financial contributions from cruise ships,
et cetera. There is no money to support welfare and
those in need, yet we constantly hear backlash towards anything

(01:53:25):
perceived as wealthy. Yep, nicely said, Aucklanders have already turned
the once thriving Hodaki Golf into a desert. Now for
the precious dollar, they want to make it easier for
invasive species such as I'm not going to even say
that one to establish itself here. Goat Island won't be
spared either. Go you money hungry Aucklanders.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Yeah, I mean, but the boats are getting they're getting
washed cleaned up, they have to pass that, and they're
getting inspected, so they're not bringing in they're not bringing
in these diseases.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
And we did say, I mean, we're not going to
stop them from doing the biosecurity checks. Just make it easier,
you know, provide a bit of funding so that the
security cruise ships can come here as easy as possible
and spend lots of money.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
Yeah. Hey, yeah, So my partner was working on her
band was playing on a cruise ship. Right, people could
win the opportunity to go on this cruise ship, and
so she got me to come along by being the
roadie for the band love It. So I was the
roadie and I was looking after the band they were

(01:54:33):
going to perform. Hundreds and hundreds of people have won
the right to be on this ship to see her
band perform, right, and I was the roadie. And on
day one, the first thing I did was I clipped
all the strings off her bass guitar to replace them
with the new strings, so in the first gig her
guitar would sound amazing nice. Unfortunately, just after I've clipped

(01:54:54):
the strings off, I realized I hadn't remembered to bring
the replacement strings. My job was to make the bass
guitar work, and I immediately failed and completely destroyed the
ability for the band to play. I met this Filipino
Metallica covers band down in the bowels of the ship
on a party night and borrow some strings off them.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
No, I see you screwed it all up. That you
found a way through.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Yeah, but there was that was that was a horrible,
horrible A couple of hours tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
That is a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Anyway, Thank you so much for listening to the show,
and thanks for your calls and text. The format entire
Afternoons podcast. We are and about now. So if you
missed our chats on hospital, hospital security, getting cuffs and brigs,
or short term videos making us dumb, then follow us
where you get your pods. But right now, Tyler, why
would I be playing this song.

Speaker 3 (01:55:41):
The love Boats? I mean, that's well, we should have
today beautiful cruise ships. You could call those love boats
as welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Yeah, well the love boat is a cruise ship, obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Yeah, there's a lot of love that happens on those ships.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
I think Captain Steving Isaac the doc.

Speaker 3 (01:55:57):
What a show?

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
What was the name of the events organizer, Julie?

Speaker 3 (01:56:02):
So, Julie Andrew? Andrew is a mess of fen of
the love boat? Really, We'll do pretty sure it was Julie. Yeah,
what a song and what a day to day. Thank
you very much to everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
Yeah, that's right. Until tomorrow afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:56:15):
Give him a taste of Kiwi from us.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
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