Full Show Podcast: 12 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hell are you great, New Zealanders? And welcome to the
Mountain Tyler Afternoons podcast for Thursday, the twelfth of December
of the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four. Pretty
heavy show today, so prepare for that. We're talking a
lot about addiction with myth and fetamine consumption doubling in
the final quarter of twenty twenty four, but the number

(00:36):
of users not necessarily going up. So the users we
have have doubled their intake, which is quite terrifying. So
we had some really serious but quite quite good I
thought chats around addiction with people.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Absolutely a lot of brave people calling in to share
their stories. Also, the time Person of the Year.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Turns out a lot of our listeners love a bit
of Rogan and I love a bit of Trump, or
they hate a bit of Trump and they hate a
little bit of Rogan, so as you'd imagine, it was split.
So that's an interesting chat. And then we ask the question,
is it possible to get through the Christmas break and
keep some keep you not pertunding to a big fat
pig so and look, we had a celebrity ring in,

(01:21):
a celebrity text in, and then we rang them up
with his thoughts on it. Who is that Celibertary find
out at the end of the show. But look, make
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And thank you so much for tuning into the Manta
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Speaker 1 (01:42):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Tyner Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Good afternoon to you. Hope you're having a great Thursday afternoon.
We certainly are get a met.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Can I say something controversial because I'm not sure what
the weather's like over for the rest of the country,
but here in Auckland it's gray and rainy, and for me,
I like that it's Christmas y. I find it rainy
and pressing, kind of Christmasy.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
A little bit of great for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I was looking at my Christmas tree last night and
it was raining outside and I was thinking, there's something
about this.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
I like this.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to be like this
the entire summer like it was a couple of years ago.
But there's just you can enjoy a little bit of
bad weather around the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Is it something a little bit British about it? Because
I'm kind of with you. I like a good thunderstorm
and Christmas time, not the whole Christmas time, but it's
something a little bit like a little white Christmas.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
A little bit British, a little bit where I grew
up in Terneden.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, good times. Right onto the show today after
three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Is it possible to eat healthy over Christmas? Could you
get through the break and stay even or actually lose weight?
I know a lot of people across the country right
now are thinking, you know what, this festive season, I'm
going to stay healthy. I'm not going to be a glutton,
I'm not going to drink as much. I'm not going
to come out fatter than I went in. And yet

(03:04):
we all will. Yeah, and I said that last year.
So is it possible? Can you actually run a fit
and healthy festive season? And should you? As the other
part of that, because I would say it's impolite to
not stuff your face on Christmas Day? Absolutely Christmas Day,
that's a given. You can't be running a healthy regime

(03:25):
on the actual day. You've got to be a disgusting pig.
You've got to eat yourself until you lose consciousness on
the couch. But you don't have to necessarily do it
the whole time. Yeah, is it possible to run a
very healthy Christmas?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
We're looking for strategies after two after three o'clock rather
after two o'clock time. Person of the Year, the magazine
has revealed revealed its list of finalists that includes the
lights of Joe Rogan, Kate Middleton, Donald Trump, of course,
Kamala Harris, Elon Musk, Benjamin Nitt, and Yahoo Mark Zuckerberg.
There's a few others in the mix as well.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, Trump is the current front runner. That's what people
who are people are picking. And you've got to remember
the Time magazine says the title goes to a person,
group or concept. Sometimes it just goes to a group
of people that have had the biggest impact for good
or for ill on the world over the previous year.
So you know, as famously out of Hitler won it

(04:19):
in nineteen thirty eight, and some people put that up
and go, oh, oh, Time magazine was willing know that
was the biggest influence for ill and an equally evil person.
Joseph Stalin won it in nineteen thirty nine and nineteen
forty two.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, so we're going to put that question to you
who should be the Time Person of the Year this year.
But right now, let's have a talk about methan phetamine.
New water testing results from across New Zealand shows a
significant increase in methan fetamine and cocaine use over the
last quarter compared to the previous year. The consumption of
methan fetamine doubled to thirty two point four kilograms per

(04:54):
week compared to the average weekly quality quantity rather over
the previous year. So Drug Foundation Executive director Sarah Halm
says it was the highest volume scene since the National
wastewater testing program started in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
The key here is that they're not aware of more users.
So this suggests that the same people are using twice
as much. I mean, there'll be a little there'll be
some more users, but the people that are using are
using significantly more myth and fetamine, which is terrifying. So really,
we want to talk about how you get off meth

(05:30):
and fetamine, and how we get these people from stopping
people getting on it and then doubling their intake. Yeah, yeah,
So I mean, how do you go about that? I mean,
it's an incredibly tough question, I understand, but there's some
people in Northland that've got no idea.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
So this came from the Drug Foundation Chief executive Sarah Helm,
and she mentioned this program called Taata Ordering. It's up
in Northland. It started in twenty seventeen and by all accounts,
it's had many evaluation reports. It's found that there's been
a thirty four percent reduction and harm from offending among
the people the programs help. They say for every one

(06:04):
dollar invested in this program, there's been a return of
between three dollars and seven dollars. It only exists up
in Northland, and Sarah Helm and the Drug Foundation are
calling among as well as many others, are calling for
that program to be rolled out across the country.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
So the difference in this is that means that officers
don't necessarily wait for someone to have committed a crime
to revert them to this study, so you know, by
the time they're committed to crimes that can potentially be complicated.
So that's a radical change, it is, and that and look,
I'm not sure how that exactly works, but you see
someone with a terrible methmfetamine problem and then you put

(06:42):
into the system, into the system to try and help them.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah, and I like the idea of more rehab, but
whether it actually makes a big dent and a problem
like methan fetamine. Look, if you've gone through some sort
of rehab program with your addiction, we'd love to hear
from you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've
got a family member that has gone through something similar,
what worked for your family and is it the right
call to have rehabilitation centers primarily for methan fetamine up

(07:06):
and down the country. Clearly there is a need for it.
Is that something that can work too lower the harm
from methnfetamine we see in New Zealand. Love to hear
from you on this one. Oh eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
twelve past one.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you
for twenty twenty four, US Talk said, be it's a
quarter past one.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
We're talking about methnphetamine and the increased rates in it
doubled the amount of myth concept consumption consumption in the
fourth quarter, I believe twenty twenty four. Anyway, Yeah, but
we'll get back to that. We'll get to that in
a second. I had this amusing, amusing exchange in nine two.
I thought, I thought I'd like to share text came through.

(07:56):
The obvious topic is the fairies. But you're too scared
to upset your right wing listeners, right, And I responded, haha,
not the conspiracy you think. We did one and a
half hours on the fairies yesterday. But nice try Matt.
And then the response came back fair enough.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
It's a nice way to in that exchange. Now back
to methamphetamine. So we've asked the question what works, and
we know that's a massive question, but clearly it is
a scourge in New Zealand and destroys a lot of
families and individuals. So what works. If you've had an
issue with it in the past, we'd love to hear
from you. But there has been a call for this
program up in Northland it's called taata Or and many

(08:31):
evaluation reports would show that it is somewhat successful with
thirty four percent reduction and harm from offending among the
people the program has helped, they reckon. For every one
dollar invested in this program, there's been a return of
between three dollars and seven dollars. Does that need to
be rolled out around the country? Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call?

Speaker 6 (08:50):
Beck.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (08:52):
Hi?

Speaker 8 (08:53):
I'm great, Thanks?

Speaker 9 (08:53):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Really nice to chat with you. So you are someone
who is a recovering atites that right?

Speaker 8 (09:01):
Yeah, yeah, recovering miss ansetamine ic. I've been cleaned for
just over four years.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well done, And how did you go about that?

Speaker 8 (09:10):
I got pretty bad, I was. My addiction led me
to spelling as well as kind of like a way
to get more of the drug. And I was addicted
to making the money and it comes with a lot
of manage ability. My life really took a spiral and
I was getting arrested all the time. I had a

(09:31):
young daughter at the time, and I was going to
lose custody of her. So I kind of put my
hand up and I said I need help and I
want to get clean because I didn't want to lose
my daughter.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Who did you put your hand up to.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
The police The last time I got arrested, I admitted
I was an edit they produced I called my mum,
so I rang my mom from the police Doyles, and
I said, I have a drug problem and I want help.
My mom straightaway rang up here. We favor to withdraw
all of her retirement money to pay for me to
go to a private rehab and Upperhart because we do recovery.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Oh wow, And did you also your mother wasn't aware
until that point.

Speaker 8 (10:11):
I think she knew, but I just kept denying it.
It was pretty obvious I was in and out of
the police styles I was pretty much.

Speaker 10 (10:17):
On my last chance.

Speaker 8 (10:19):
So I kept getting told I'm going to go to prison,
and I would get released and I would continue offending,
and it was just a massive cycle. When I was
really kind of felt like I was thinking in quicksand
I didn't even admit to myself that I had a
problem until Oranga Ta Mariki were involved, and I really
just didn't want to lose my daughter and wanted to
be a bit of mum.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
How did you get introduced to me than fitamine on
the first place.

Speaker 11 (10:43):
Back.

Speaker 12 (10:45):
Through a guy.

Speaker 8 (10:46):
It was for me, it was always boys. I was
always in trouble with the guys that I was hanging
out with. And before that, I was kind of taking
other drugs to lose weight because I had a bit
of a weight, a weight problem, and so I was
taking other drugs. And I guess when you were, you know,
and I'd smoke marijuana for my whole teenagent and young

(11:08):
adult life, so I it desensitizes you. I guessed to
being around in a legal substance, and it's just no
biggie when it becomes anything fatter, mean, after you're used
to having marijuana in your pocket.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Beck, When you first tried meth and phetamine, were you
were you were aware that this was a big thing
and a risky thing to do. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
Absolutely, yeah. I when I first tried it, it was
I knew it was. Everything felt so crystal clear. I
knew it was going to be a slippery slope, and
I told myself I'd never do it again. So I
didn't for a couple of years, and then, like I said,
I kind of got on the weight loss journey and
had a bit of probably like a eating disorder in that.
And you know, I went out partying a lot and

(11:55):
I got introduced to it and it was just Yeah,
when I took it the second time, it was just
every day from them.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
So it was that quickly before when you realize that
you were just you were craving it.

Speaker 8 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, definitely straight away from me.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
And how hard was it to not not go to it?
Because I imagine you you you tried to not not
not have more? How hard was that?

Speaker 8 (12:23):
Really hard? Really hard, esperciously when you get into the
scene where you're selling it as well, it's pretty hard
to break free of that lifestyle. I used to think
that I was going to die a drug dealer and
that I was never going to be able to make
my way out of it, especially when you're used to,
you know, making money pretty easily. But yeah, I got

(12:46):
out of it.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
You'd have to deal with you'd have to start dealing
with some pretty dodgy people. Wouldn't you to be getting
involved in selling it? You know, who are you buying
it off to sell it?

Speaker 13 (12:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (12:57):
But I guess to be honest, I was probably one
of those dodgy people.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
You know, right, Yeah, and so when you when you
decided that, you know, when you reached out to your mum.
You're in sales and the police suggested you and your
mum and she she got her ki saving out and
you went into this private rehab. How does how does
the rehab work? Because it doesn't work for everyone? How
did it work for you?

Speaker 13 (13:20):
No?

Speaker 8 (13:21):
So this that's why I chose this specific rehab because
I'm from Upper Heart and so it was that, you know,
I could have my family kind of around me. I've
been estranged from them for years. So it was only
a four week program for me, and it was more
I think for me because it's such a small group

(13:42):
of people. I was in there with three other people
that really worked well because I wasn't around so many
people that don't want want it. They're just picking a
box to get out of prison. You know, people pay
good money to go here, so I guess they really
wanted it. And it was in a home. It didn't
feel like a clinic environment. So we were in a
home and we had a ship who was cooking us

(14:02):
good meals and like physical physical education, personal trainers yoga.
The yoga was pretty helpful for me because I had
to learn to sit down and stay still in process
my thoughts.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Do you count yourself lucky that you were able to
get into that program? Bick?

Speaker 8 (14:22):
Yeah, I don't think that I'm lucky.

Speaker 14 (14:23):
I think it was God.

Speaker 11 (14:25):
Did you?

Speaker 8 (14:26):
I think it was a miracle?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
And did you so? I mean, if you don't mind
asking Beck, how much was that course? How much did
that rehab cost?

Speaker 8 (14:35):
I think it cost my mum eighteen and a half thousand, Okay,
but this was four years ago. That's for four weeks,
so I think it's definitely increased in pricess. I'm not
too sure how much it is now, but I think
it was a year about eighteen and a half nineteen
thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
So you come out of this rehab and this is
I guess the difficult. But because then you don't have
the people around you, you don't have the shif, you
don't have people putting on the yoga classes, whatever, How
did you manage to transition back into into real life
and succeed the way you have?

Speaker 8 (15:07):
I pretty much had. I've got a really good family,
and I had to pretty much just deface my reality
of what I had done and how I'd been living
a look all my family members and I and apologized
and say that I really wanted to change. My brother
and his wife at the time took me into their house.

(15:27):
They had a studio underneath, so I went and lived there.
I was fighting to keep my daughter in because I
could take her to a safe home. I got to
keep custody of her. And then obviously I was on charges,
so I got bracelet for my charges and was on
a lot of conditions. But my family, I'm really lucky
my family kind of wrapped around me with support. But
also there's programs out there, you know. I did the

(15:50):
twelve NA program, got a sponsor through that made a
lot of friends who were on the recovery journey. I
cut off everyone from.

Speaker 13 (15:58):
My old life.

Speaker 8 (15:59):
I was allowed in absence on my bracelet to go
to the NA meetings. But also I found a church
and surrounded myself with people from church.

Speaker 12 (16:07):
And so yeah, you.

Speaker 8 (16:08):
Really have to kind of like reset and starting going
to have to cut off everyone home.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Well, bet good on you, and this is an example
of how it is possible. And look, thank you so
much for sharing that with us. That's you're a really
good speaker, and I think that's really really helpful for
people that are listening.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
So thank you so much, Thank you, Thank you, Beck,
really brave and a lot of support coming through for
Beck on the text machine. It one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call Love to hear
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Speaker 1 (17:39):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
The new Minister for Rail is Winston Peter.

Speaker 15 (17:45):
This has been reported that Nikola Willis has actually hammered
out a deal. But those theories are not rail enabled
and you want a chance.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
To try and better her deal?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Is that what's going on?

Speaker 14 (17:53):
No?

Speaker 15 (17:53):
Has she hammered out a deal? There is no deal
with Stana Roro third time. No, So where is the
nine hundred million dollars coming from?

Speaker 16 (17:59):
Then?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Well for somebody, don't guess where're going?

Speaker 13 (18:01):
Being repetted by the mainstream media.

Speaker 15 (18:03):
Has she said I for a scal envelope, said you've
got nine hundred.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Million that's again is not true.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Tell us how much money you've got and said it
raise Well.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
Now why would I possibly do that?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
To rush out of the same What we're going to buy
them for is to set the bottom price from which
the ship fillers will start increasing their profits.

Speaker 11 (18:16):
And we're not going to make those of the mistakes.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Gither duplicy on the Mic Hosking Breakfast fac tomorrow at
six am.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
With Bailey's Real Estate on News talks 'b afternoon.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
It is twenty eight past one. Plenty of texts coming
through on nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
I would like in meth addiction to stripping a layer
off your soul. It's the devil and the scourge on society.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, and this one here took my friend two years
to stop a five year addiction. But you have to
want to stop others. It's almost impossible. In comparison, stopping
cigarettes was a breeze. Keep those techs coming through on
nine two ninety two. Get a tim Hello mate, how
are you good? What's your thoughts on on what works

(18:58):
when it comes to me them fetamine addiction?

Speaker 13 (19:01):
Okay? Well my thoughts the last course at best or
beg becky.

Speaker 11 (19:07):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (19:08):
It's awesome that she got her life sorted out and
had supportive family and hung on to her daughter.

Speaker 11 (19:14):
That's really nice.

Speaker 13 (19:17):
I just wonder if she spares a thought for the
people that she used to deal to.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, I think she definitely has gone through a lot
of guilt around around that, and I think part of
dealing with her addiction was facing up to the to
the guilt of that.

Speaker 11 (19:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (19:31):
Absolutely, yeah, as one as she just keeps reflecting on
that from time to time, and you know, if she
really wanted to do something, maybe she could reach out
and you know, see if you think of those people
need a hand.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well, yeah, I think that the thing with her is
that she's got to sort her own life out and
look after a kid. And the past is the past,
the president is the present, in the future is the future,
and so she's reckoned with what she's done in the past,
and she's she's paid the price, and she's she's moving
moving forward. If we can get one person out of addiction,
then I think that's that's a huge thing. That's that's massive.

Speaker 13 (20:07):
Absolutely. One of the books was good. Just a shame
that he was supplying others. It may not be as
fortunate as here.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, but I mean that's all.

Speaker 11 (20:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, Well think if you called him yeah, cheers Tim.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
of call we've got. The headlines coming up then we'll
pick this back up. It is bang on one point thirty.

Speaker 14 (20:31):
You talk, said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. The opposition's lamb basting
the government's ferry plans, saying it won't deliver what the
previous contract would have planned and will end up costing more.
The government is appointed a Minister for Rail and is
setting up a company to buy new fairies for use.

(20:52):
In twenty twenty nine, thieves have stolen slides, climbing structures, ladders, bridges,
blocks and a circular swing from a Henderson childcare center
in Auckland. A firefighter's union says bullying within fire and
emergency bird staff self esteem and cohesion after the Chief
executive's end of years speech spoke of bullying, harassment, sexism

(21:16):
and racism in the service. Christ Urge Police are appealing
for witnesses to an assault in Sumner's Godly Head, a
car park. This happened on Sunday afternoon after a minor
car crash. The Environmental Protection Authority seized three tons of
illegally important hydrofluorocarbon gases, which are limited because of their
effects on the environment. NCEEA is flawed. It's time to

(21:41):
end this experiment on our teenagers. Read the full column
at enzid Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. We're talking about what works
when it comes to methamphetamine addiction. And had a great
call from Beck who was a recovering addict and got
herself out of that life and got herself into a
trades building apprenticeship. But love to hear your stories on
our eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It's on the back
of increased methamphetamine use in the last quarter of this year,
almost double and the twist there was it's not more users,

(22:11):
it's just users having more meetamine. Susan. How are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 17 (22:16):
Oh I'm good.

Speaker 16 (22:17):
Thanks.

Speaker 17 (22:18):
I just wanted to like take my head off to
that young woman before my husband got uh my ex
husband got He got addicted to it, ended up what
do you call it, making it got involved with the gangs.

(22:39):
I was a little manager in a school. I've never
had anything to do with drugs.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
He was.

Speaker 17 (22:47):
A sportsman, played for a New Zealand team. He uh
always was coming home late. You know, there was always
an excuse for him not to be at home. It
destroyed our family, It destroyed our marriage. I had gangs

(23:07):
at gang members at my door demanding money. He just
bled our family dry, stood by and went through rehab,
stayed together for a while after that. The effect had
on me and my kids. It was from not phenomenal,

(23:32):
the violence, the threats. In the end, I I got
away from him, but that drug altered my my husband's brain,
and after he'd come out of rehab, he was not
the same as the man I married. And the final

(23:53):
straw in the actual marriage was I found out it
after he'd come out of habit started interfering with my
oldest daughter. That was a bridge too far. I just
want people to realize that the drug addiction itself is.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
So day life.

Speaker 12 (24:18):
They cheat.

Speaker 17 (24:20):
They will say they want to get out of drug
addiction for just to keep their family and lifestyle going.
But they've got to want to get out of it,
they've got to want to go through rehab. It's extensive
and more government funding needs to go interront.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
So so rehab didn't didn't work for And I'm sorry
for your story. That's that's something that no one should
have to go.

Speaker 17 (24:47):
Well, he went through, he went through higher ground and
six months rehab course. But even after that and after
we've got stuff together, he just was still involved with it.

Speaker 11 (25:04):
So yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Like to go right back to the start if you
don't mind, because he sounds like he was a functioning
member of society and was doing doing well. You said
he was a member of a New Zealand team. How
did he end up getting involved in meth?

Speaker 7 (25:20):
End?

Speaker 17 (25:20):
Feed me through work, through work, and then he like
he I went to the bank one day, the accounts
has been singed out, shares has been sold. It was
all drug debt. And he just got deeper and deeper

(25:41):
and deeper into it. And these people, if you owe
the money, don't give a ship. They will harm you.
They will harm your family. It's it's it's not it's
not good. He has brain changed, you know. I got

(26:02):
to the point, I mean, the friend was a retractable
baton in my own home when I said I was
going to leave him once. Yeah, it takes a lot
of courage for families to walk away. And the only
way to be clear is it's to leave and cut

(26:23):
them completely off until they're at that point where they
want to actually make that decision to.

Speaker 11 (26:31):
Quit for themselves necessary.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
And sorry you continue, I'm.

Speaker 17 (26:36):
Just going to say otherwise, there's just no point.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Now, Susan. This was a terrible situation that was a
force forced upon you, and you would have had no
way of knowing how to deal with it and would
have had to have just and I'm sure you loved
the man and just kept on getting hurt and hurt
over time. But being and often we don't talk about
the you know, when we talk about the addict, we
sometimes forget to talk about the damage that has done

(27:02):
to the people that are around them. But is there
anything any advice that you give now that you've been
through that two people? When when to know when to to?
You know, you said you had to cut them off
to know when that time is And.

Speaker 17 (27:18):
As soon as you hear drugs mess, that's the time
to pack up your kids and walk until that person
has been through a rehab program. He went through community
al cohol and drugs, which we walk in they say, oh,

(27:40):
how much have.

Speaker 18 (27:41):
You done today?

Speaker 17 (27:42):
Are you poor boy? Hopefully you'll do better next week
and and that what he did that initially to appease
me that he was getting some treatment, but in actual
fact he was getting more and more and more into
the drugs, into that scene. And particularly if you if

(28:03):
you're a family and there's children, nothing to work the
safety of yourself and those kiss. So for anyone who's
got that, unless that person's made a decision to quit
and has got a references around them, was this would
get the hell out of there?

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Was there support when you had to make their call, Susan,
Was there support for you and your family?

Speaker 17 (28:31):
There's actually not that much support out there for families.

Speaker 16 (28:36):
I went to.

Speaker 17 (28:38):
This NA which is narcotic synonymous.

Speaker 18 (28:42):
That they run the family things, so you got a
bit of report from there. I was very lucky in
that my family was very support.

Speaker 17 (28:55):
My dad was the the policeman.

Speaker 10 (28:58):
I'm not stupid.

Speaker 19 (28:59):
I knew for.

Speaker 17 (29:01):
Being I knew quite a lot of avenues. I had
a good lawyer. I got to protection order to put
in place with me and my family and protected them
as much as I can. But you know, this guy
threatened to take my kids out of school, like kidnapped

(29:24):
from school. I had the police at the school so
I could uplift them and take them home, and then
I put them in another school. I mean it was
pretty serious.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, I mean, it's an interrrible thing to go through.
But how's how's your life now, Susan Being on the
other side of it, Well, I.

Speaker 17 (29:42):
Took my kids. I eventually divorced him, he did prison time, married,
got a great husband and life goes on and life
will go on for family even if they're.

Speaker 12 (29:56):
Not with that person.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
And you don't have to share this information with me
if you don't want to. But what has happened to
your ex husband?

Speaker 17 (30:05):
He got sent to prison for about the fix shares
and somewhere in the South Island and that's the last
I heard.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Oh well, I'm I'm so sorry to hear what you've
been through, Susan. But I thank you so much for
sharing that story with us. Yeah.

Speaker 20 (30:25):
Amen.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.
It is eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. Ma Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
you for twenty twenty four us talk.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Say'd be good afternoon. It's quarter to two. We're talking
about what works when it comes to meth and beetamine addiction.
On the back of the use increasing quite substantially in
the last quarter of the year. And how are you, hi? Hi?
Now you want to talk about your son's journey with addiction.

Speaker 10 (31:01):
AI, Yes, yeah, yes, my son was addicted to mess
or probably for about eight years. He's he's now clean,
but it's it was an absolute road of hell. And
I think if anybody thinks that it's a socioeconomical issue, there,

(31:26):
it's an illusion. This effects right across all communities. It
is it is the devil, and it changes them and
they become somebody who just don't recognize.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
So sorry, no, no, you continue.

Speaker 10 (31:48):
Sorry, I was just saying that it puts families through
absolute hell. He can't there's no words to describe the hell.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Actually, so your son was on did you say that
was eight years an addict? How did he get around?
How did he how did he get off off the stuff?

Speaker 10 (32:10):
Well, he's not really.

Speaker 19 (32:15):
Peace.

Speaker 10 (32:15):
There's a lot of people out there that can't get
off it because they just don't have any support. And
these people that have addicted to mess want to get
off it, but they must have support. And our son
was lucky enough support from his immediate family, but there

(32:39):
was judgment on the outer family and so the immediate
family stood by him without enabling. That was that was
one of the biggest things, is to try and love
them but not enable them. You've got to keep your
distance while they're using. But he wanted to come clean,

(33:04):
and we also spend eighteen thousand and put him through rehab,
but he did relapse, so we lost him again. Then
he decided that he was going to try again. This

(33:25):
time he had a female friend who was an addict,
and she took him in, which was great because we
were exhausted and we just felt we could have him
in our house and we couldn't before rehab again. So
she took him in and she knew how to deal

(33:47):
with them, because you know, she she knows how it
all works, and she sees him when the cheeps them
and he dies.

Speaker 6 (33:56):
And lets.

Speaker 10 (33:59):
He came right. He did come right, But even when
he relapsed, he knew that we still loved him and
we all believed in that he will get through it
and come back to us. And I guess if we

(34:19):
ostracized them and didn't have anything to do with him,
I don't think we would have got him back.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
You mentioned before and that this is across all sectors.
Of society. It doesn't really matter about demographics. It's a
scourge whether you're rich, poor, whatever. Did your son have
a good job at the time that he got addicted
to this stuff. Did he have a future that was
looking quite bright?

Speaker 10 (34:45):
Well, he was a scene when he found Yes, but
he was smoking marijuana at school. My son is the
FlexIt and ADHD, so he had struggled at school. School

(35:07):
failed in a lot of ways. Really when I look back,
and I think we didn't as parents, didn't realize the
trouble that he was in them. And I guess I
think if the schools, there's more than one came to

(35:28):
us and said, lock, this is the situation, we may
have been able to be able to, you know, address it.
Before he really got into the heavy drugs. The self
esteem was not great either. So there's those those factors

(35:48):
which is common amongst our users. Troubled but lost. I'm
not I'm not I'm generalizing, but yeah.

Speaker 13 (36:03):
He was.

Speaker 10 (36:04):
He was only eighteen and he's now you do one.
So he's and he's now got a sarmon. He's ready
put his last put his last round. But he does
have the odds against him because of this Diplexia and
ADHD now.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
And before you were saying you've got to you know,
as family members, you want to help, but not enable.
What do you mean by enable? You're an addict?

Speaker 10 (36:35):
Well, an addict is a very good at life and
coming up with stories. They will do and say anything.
And when you love someone, you've sort of you fall
for them and to beond mom, can I have fifty bucks?
You know, and give me some story? And you know

(36:59):
you just you just made the mistakes of helping them
when you weren't actually helping them. You're enabling their behavior,
You're enabling them to.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Be Oh and we might have just lost you. But
thank you very much for giving us a call. If
you're still listening, it is nine minutes to two o
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear your story
as well.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Back in the month, Matteeth, Tyler Adams taking your calls
on oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty mad Eth and
Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
News Talks ed BE. It is six minutes to two,
so we're going to carry this on after two o'clock
and hearing some pretty horrendous but brave stories coming through
our eight hundred eighty ten eighty, and we want to
hear yours. I mean, clearly, it is a massive issue
out there.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, and there's a lot of people questioning, you know,
so it sounds like, you know, rehab is the option
that gets people out the other side of it, if
they will, if anything will.

Speaker 11 (37:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
But you know, the success stories that we've heard around
rehab in the last hour are family members putting up
the money for private rehab.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
There are government courses as well that we're talking about,
this one up north Tyler.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, Tiata Ordunger, and there has been a call to
roll that out across New Zealand. And the more that
I hear these stories coming through, the more that I'm
thinking that is a great idea. We should absolutely put
resources in to having these rehab programs up and down
the country.

Speaker 13 (38:26):
And just a.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Reminder that the evaluation report for this particular program that
started in twenty seventeen, it saw a thirty four percent
reduction and harm from offending among the people the programs helped.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, but there's a lot of people on the text
machine coming through a nine two nine two that would
one hundred percent disagree with you Tyler. Yeah, Hi, Matt,
Why does everyone think the government needs to fund rehab?
No one forced them onto the drugs. That's from AJ
and that's typical of a lot of the text coming
through yep.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
And if you disagree with the idea of takspayer funded rehab,
we want to hear from you as well. We want
to hear your rationale behind that. But my opinion is,
if it's going to make any sort of dentt and
the methamphetamine problem we've gone in this country, it is
worth a shot. It is worth investing that money in.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, and myth and fetamine consumption doubled in the last
quarter of twenty twenty four, so we have a serious
problem in this country.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We want to hear from you on this one. Of course,
nine two nine two is the text number new Sport
and weather on its way. I hope you're having a
great afternoon. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Make it feel like Christmas.

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I'm never not final love like this, but I'm fund
Real're on the very first kiss. Want Thanks you make
it feel like Christmases. You make it me about Christmas.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 7 (40:12):
Talking with you all.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty
twenty four News Talk ZIB.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Good afternoons you seven pass two and we're having a
pretty deep discussion on the methan fhetamine scourge in New
Zealand and what are the solutions if any. This is
on the back of an increase in the amount that
uses taking in terms of methan fetamine in the last
quarter according to wastewater testing. There has been a call
for rehabs to be rolled up and down the country.

(40:42):
A very successful one is to at Auranger that's up
in Northland and an evaluation report recently found there was
a thirty four percent reduction and harm from offending among
the people that program helped. So is that the solution
here is that we need more rehabilitation clinics for methan
fetamine users in New Zealand. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah. And also we're talking to a lot of people.
Their experiences are the family, the members or addicts and
how they got off the myth, whether they've gone through
rehab and their story has had an amazing story from
from Beck earlier, and a pretty harrowing story as well
from from Susan and the effect on families. So I'll
tell you what. It's not the most Christmasy topic, but

(41:26):
I believe it's an important one.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, absolutely, Dan, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Are you good? Mate?

Speaker 11 (41:32):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (41:33):
Good?

Speaker 3 (41:33):
So you're a current user? Is that right? But you
have given up in the past.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Dan, Ay, it's been on rough for a few years now.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
And so let's let's talk about when you first gone
on meth INFI I mean, Dan, how did how did
you get addicted to it in the first place?

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Off one that's from mainly the people way like time
to say, look, when I feel so much older, I
was like seventeen. I'm twoty eight years old. Now, well,
I probably got hooked on it was just hanging around
people that just you know, they were trapped on their cycle.

(42:10):
Make the money, pay for the thing, Make the money
and pay for the thing, I guess. But two years old,
I think.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Did you know when you first took it that there
was a risky thing to do and that you were
maybely entering a dangerous cycle.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Not as bad as what I thought, like, I've had
a lot of surprising what did you call it, surprising
life's experiences that I can say they mate. Of course
I did not. I was not worried that by using
it I would open myself up to things that I've
never ever been aware of before, and just yeah, no,

(42:53):
I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
And you're and you're you're, you've you've been off it
being on it? Are you actively trying to get off
it now? And how do you go about that?

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yes? I am, but I'm sort of stuck in the
right at the moment, and it's like, yeah, it's quite
it's quite a pain, and it's kind of pain like
all my opportunities that I had when I was younger,
Like life was just breathing at me, and yeah, I
didn't have the mental capabilities of doing now. But hen saying,
it's the catch twenty two because I'm addicted to this

(43:27):
thing at the moment. But yeah, what I found made
is it's mainly the people way, like, because there are
quite some mental people around there around in New Zealand,
I guess, And yeah, I guess, yeah, not really the drugs.
It's more of the more you call it education behind it.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, So you don't think you the education about the
damage it causes, or education around how you deal with
the addiction.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Erithik really a here the now we deal with the addiction,
damage of causes and just more sorts. I don't think
I reckon that there has been research and there's a
lot of education about it, but they just don't want
to let us know about it.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I guess, do you know do you have? Do you
know who to reach out to? Have you got numbers
or connections to reach out to to try and help
with your addiction?

Speaker 13 (44:27):
I do.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
But this is the one thing I put for rehead
wrote war about eight months ago, right it was taking ages,
but yet me been shocking as it is. The papers
weren't even put through about six months later. So I'm
going to wait till next year. But it's port of
a Tues twenty to just met funfilming because I guess
it sort of dwindles in the spiritual realm. I'm not

(44:50):
much of a believer in spiritual stuff, but all I
can say.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Is, well, is that what is that what got you
off the first time?

Speaker 13 (44:59):
Dan?

Speaker 16 (45:01):
No?

Speaker 4 (45:01):
The first time was jail with into jail and so.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
You went to jail, So you you're off at just
basically because you couldn't get hold of it.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Yeah, that was.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
And then when you got when you got out of jail,
when you got out of prison to do how quickly
did you find yourself feeding back up in the in
the same world.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Oh well, I got out and I got my wallet
and everything back from this three years later. And I
looked at the wallet and oh my god, mister policeman,
he missed a little bag in there, so I already had. Yeah,
I had someone in my from my confiscated.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
It got big from the room and that's.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Straight back corner.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
How much how much does it cost you at the moment, Dan,
in terms of of you know, what you're bringing in
as an income, it must be costing you a lot
of money.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Oh yeah, it's in the me like I'm yeah, I'm
slowly dying. So I feel like it's like a slow drowned,
slow kill.

Speaker 11 (46:01):
I come.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
I find that jail would probably do me good, but
it's it's it's a weird one, like, yeah, I don't
think it's the thing. I think it's what people do
to it as well, what they're doing to the drug.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
You mean, what that what they're putting in it, Yeah, what.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
They're putting into it, and just yeah, all the sort
of things because it's like have you ever tried the
drug before?

Speaker 2 (46:30):
No?

Speaker 4 (46:31):
No, okay, Yeah, it just sort of like opens everything up,
I guess, like rows out the whole system, like a
car that's driving and then you put the like inject
the cleaners in it and give it a quick soup.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
And then But but so when you're not on it, though,
how how low do you feel?

Speaker 13 (46:50):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Well, that's got me good now. I never like I could.
I used to better put my mind to saying and
when I put my mind to something good, it's like
quite easy for me to get locked into like not
wanting to do it, like from switching from one sort
of take to the other, but other is just like nah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
So did you reach out Dan? Did you say you
reached out to get help with some sort of rehab
program and that's fallen through.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Yeah, I've got to wait till next year now. It's
it's it's a weird one, man. It's like so many
people were cleaning themselves around here too. It's yeah, it's
a weird one, quite weird.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Oh hey, thank you so much. For it, for you
sharing your story story, Dan, and all the best with that.
And I hope you do find a way to get
off it and get on with your life.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
You think you this isn't more like a yeah, someone
to do that sort of thing might help. It might
be a lot more easier for one.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah, yeah, Dan, thank you very much, made all the
very best to you. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Nine two nine two
is the text number. It is accorded to two.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
As a depressing thought that Dan's sees that that going
back to prison might be the best way to help
him out.

Speaker 13 (48:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, that is a that is a depressing situation to
be in.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
It was stacked against the guy. I mean the fact
that he went to prison, got off it, and then
god his belongings back and there was some methamphetamine within
his wallet. And then he mentioned he tried to reach
out for the rehab and that's fallen through the cracks.
So clearly there is a big problem here. Oh eight
hundred and eighty, ten eighty is the number to call.
It is a quarter past two.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
You're new home of Afternoon Talk and Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoon call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
B, News Talks there B. It's eighteen pass two and
we are talking about metham fetamine in New Zealand. We
are getting a lot of phone calls from people who
are recovering or indeed, Dan who was has tried, he's
tried to quit and is currently on it. But it's
important tonight. If you're listening and you are dealing or
struggling with this in your family or yourself, there is
help available. Alcohol Drug Helpline that is eight hundred and

(49:09):
seven eight seven seven nine seven, or you can text
eight six eighty one. That is support around the clock
for alcohol and drugs. It's a free and confidential chat
with a trained counselor at twenty four hours a day,
seven days a week.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah. So we've got ourselves embroiled in an important but
serious chat as we bring us to the end of
the year in the Christmas season, but learning a lot.
So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty share your stories
with us. We'd love to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Yep. So Manse, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 12 (49:41):
HIH's Merry Christmas?

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Yeah, Merry Christmas?

Speaker 16 (49:45):
Hey, I'd just like.

Speaker 12 (49:46):
To share that I am a parent of a very
beautiful young girl who got addicted to me sam satin
and is a horrendous drug. Like everyone else's callers. As
a parent, you go through absolute hell. I think the
most important thing for me sure that I remember is

(50:08):
knowing that it wasn't my daughter, it was the drug.
So if you can split the two, it always gives
you hope. The situation with rehab, she didn't attend rehab
she got pregnant. Now she didn't use through the pregnancy,

(50:31):
but when she stopped breastfeeding, she started using again. So
I had a glimpse of my daughter back then. The
drug itself, it's only one well is a molecule away
from rittalon. And the studies in the States show that

(50:52):
eighty percent of the users of metal fatire mean have
a mental health disability such as ADHD or you know,
something along those lines. And I was the greatest enabler
of all And interestingly enough, when I spoke to her
about it later, she said, Mum, thank you because you

(51:13):
made that journey safe. So every story is different.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Right, So what do you mean you were the greatest
enabler of all?

Speaker 12 (51:24):
Well, I kept the money to feed her habits.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Right, and she and when she came out the other
side of it, she thanked you for.

Speaker 12 (51:33):
That, Yes, because I made it space right so.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
She wasn't com many crimes or operating. But I mean,
how much money was that that you were feeding to her?

Speaker 12 (51:44):
A lot of money, a lot of money and you.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Knew that that was going towards I met because I was.

Speaker 12 (51:51):
Just denial and she was in denial. But like with missus,
is usually a cycle. I'm not sure if you'll good it,
like how high and then the compouns are just out
the gate and it's during the come down period that
the damage will happen. They agress in the paranor and
everything like that. So once I recognized the pattern, I

(52:12):
knew that we had a very serious issue.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Did you get help to recognize that pattern, Samantha.

Speaker 12 (52:20):
Yes, I did. I got help through actually through an
American Facebook group for supports, you know, supporting addicts and
METHMSI to me because I didn't find there was anything
in New Zealand that was I just found it easier
to go aboard for that and the advice I got

(52:42):
from them was amazing. Like writer a letter without judgment,
Vita Elita and tell her all the achievements she's done
in her.

Speaker 11 (52:49):
Life and.

Speaker 12 (52:51):
You know, try and build up her self esteem. It
was really interesting the approach they took. But it worked,
but it may not work for everyone, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yes, So do you think there was a time in
life that she had to reach to get off the drug?
So you're saying that she had to be you know,
built up her self esteem. She had to go through it,
and so you don't think that rehab would necessarily necessarily
helped her. It was more of a mental state she
needed to reach.

Speaker 12 (53:22):
I think so I looked like the music. Vitamine has
many faces. You know, it could be your doctor, your
real estate agent. There are a lot of there's a
whole lot of functioning adds out there and they use
every day and they function every day. But it's the ones,
it's our young ones that seem to know fall through
the cracks. And I really believe that with my daughter,

(53:48):
she met someone who, funnily enough, was going through the
Grace Foundation. Have you heard them?

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I haven't known.

Speaker 12 (53:56):
Grace Foundation. It's an amazing charity in Auckland and they
are a rehab but in private homes that are monitored
and it's government, government funded, but they just don't take
in anyone you have to apply to. Anyway, she met
her partner who was going through that and through and

(54:20):
between the two of them they supported each other and
got sober. So you know, I just it is not
as horrific journey for parents. But I think the best
thing for me was to just realize that, try and
try and separate the two drug and your child and

(54:41):
realize that it is an addiction and don't give up.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
And how long has your How long has your daughter
been sober now, Samantha, Oh.

Speaker 12 (54:51):
Goodness, she's been sober three years. Unfortunately, her and her
partner had a baby last year and the baby died
at six weeks old. And I remember thinking my biggest
fear was that would be the huge trigger to start
using again. But they got through it, and they didn't,

(55:11):
and so chewed off to them. But you know, it's
they really need to find out because they're chasing the
dope mean high.

Speaker 11 (55:21):
Ye you know, with a.

Speaker 12 (55:22):
Fishy with ADHD chads. They chase the dope mean high
and they get it three and that's why they keep
chasing it. You've got to address the root of the issue, really,
I believe, and then.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
They drop off the cliff and they need more and
more to get to the same same high. Hey, thank
you so much for sharing that with Samantha. It was
an incredible story and I'm so glad that your daughter's
doing Okay.

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Speaker 1 (56:55):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty eight on News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
News Talk ZB. So we've been having a pretty deep
but important discussion about methamphetamine use in New Zealand. Then
on the line we do have Richard Thick. He is
the director of the Northland Regional Bridge of the Salvation Army. Richard,
very very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 11 (57:19):
Good afternoon matters Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Yes, yes, now you yeah, Hello, very great to chat
to you. So you've been involved with the Tata Audunger program.
Is that right, Richard?

Speaker 11 (57:31):
I have, yes, And how.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Is your program different from other programs?

Speaker 11 (57:37):
Well, I'm not sure about a lot of other programs
and what's happening nationally, but the difference I think for
Chad Orino it's a partnership with House and Police and
it's a multi agency approach. It builds on builds on

(58:01):
health and police work and evidence based interventions, and it's
a kind of blend of public health, police work, and
evidence based alcohol and drag interventions.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
It's certainly had a lot of success, judging by the
recent evaluation report Richard that the program saw a thirty
four percent reduction and harm from offending among those who
are the program helped. So just walk us through it.
How does someone get selected for the program?

Speaker 11 (58:36):
Well, there's a number of referral pathways that police are
major referras into it, but it can be from corrections,
probation services, health are the health services, to fudge or
order and basically it's for people who are experiencing difficulties
with methane featamine all their families.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
So do you sometimes reach out or do the police
sometimes reach out to people and refer them to you
before a crime has actually been committed.

Speaker 11 (59:09):
Normally the police would come into contact with individuals through
their normal police work and they can offer treatment. I
guess that is a point of difference as well at
the police of a referral to treatment and the police
can make the referral themselves.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
So the thirty four reduction. That is you know, significant,
that is success. What do you put that success down to?
What happens within the program to see that level of success?

Speaker 11 (59:40):
Well, look, I can tell you there's a lot of
follow up by the police themselves. The police follow up,
they do drug testing, they refer through to POFI no connectors,
which are what they POFARO connect the works with the
person to help keep them in treatment. They do intensive

(01:00:01):
outreach really I said of outreach in the communities and
work with families and individuals, and so there's enormous amount
of follow up and there's a range of different treatment
options that individuals can use themselves or select themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Is it strictly a referral process or can families or
individual addicts reach out to you?

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:00:31):
Absolutely, so that people can self refer. There's a website
to fund of Order website under Chowter Ordering. People can
access support through the website. They can refer themselves, or
family can refer for family support, or they can go
through a range of other option referral options like the

(01:00:54):
gp O. The service providers are the health service providers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Now, Richard, there's a saying you always here that an
adit has to want to be helped. Is that still true?
Or or can you find someone in any position that
has been referred to you or has come to you
and offer them help and have some success.

Speaker 11 (01:01:19):
Yeah, that's a great question, A big question. I think.
I think, you know, having a range of treatment options
caters to people that are at different stages and have
different different motivators, and I think you know, like being
having contact with the police can be huge motivation for people.

(01:01:41):
But some people are just ready to change, and so
the treatment options available are and a tailored treatment plan
for people would take into account the stage that they're at,
whether they ready to change or they're ready for treatment,

(01:02:02):
and so told ordering a treatment options, try and meet
meet people where they're at.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Is there hope Richard, that this program can be rolled
across the country.

Speaker 11 (01:02:14):
I do believe there is. It's very topical and of
course met problem is growing, so people I understand exploring
that option.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Yeah, Richard, thank you very much for having a chat
with us, and all the best with the program, and
congratulations on the success that you are heaving up there.
I really appreciate your time.

Speaker 11 (01:02:38):
Yeah, and anyone shon go to the Crow's nest research,
child or order and read the evaluation themselves. It's open
to public.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Thank you very much, Richard. And just that name of
the program again, Tata or unger that is te A
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much again Richard's and just a reminder for anyone listening
who has a family member addicted currently or indeed if
you are addicted methan fetamine, there is help available the

(01:03:10):
Tiata audung A program, but also the Alcohol Drug Helpline
now eight hundred and seven eight seven seven nine seven,
or U can text eighty six eight one for support
around alcohol and drugs. It's a free and confidential chat
with a trained counselor twenty four hours a day, seven
days a week.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Well, that's been an interesting and how would I say,
sobering hour and a half discussion. But we're going to
be moving on next yep.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Absolutely, it is twenty six minutes to three.

Speaker 14 (01:03:40):
US talks at the headlines with Blue bubble taxis, it's
no trouble with a Blue bubble. The Prime Ministers acknowledge
concerns around allegations two Wellington waitresses were indecently assaulted at
work by Vietnamese officials who have now left New Zealand.
Canterbury fire crews have been called to a grass fire
in Burnham, south of christ Church. Fire and Emergency says

(01:04:02):
there are also two other blazers along Maine South Road.
The key we Bumbling Jihadi Mark John Taylor has been
charged in Wellington under the Terrorism Suppression Act. It's understood
he's still in jail in Syria. In the Cargo police
are investigating the theft of a safe from a Mersey
Street business, thought to be linked to a stolen vehicle

(01:04:24):
found but burnt out in a creek this morning. A
documentary about former Prime Minister Jacindra R Dune will be
premiere at will Premiere, I should say at the prestigious
sun Dance Film Festival next year. And the Minister of
a Regulations announced a third sector review, this time into
hairdressers and barbers. It'll include reviewing the ban on salon's

(01:04:45):
giving customers a coffee with their cut and forbidding dogs
entering with their owner. All blacks forced to return vehicles
as Ford sponsorship ends. You can see more at enzid
Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Thank you very much. Rayleian right, A tough but important
Aaron Harper. We are going to change it up for
the next wee while we want to talk about Time
Person of the Year. The shortlist is out and as
you can imagine, there are some big names.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Kamala Harris is in the last, Kate Middleton, Elon Musk,
Benjamin and Yahoo, Joe Rogan, Donald Trumps the front runner,
and also Mark Zuckerberg's in there, Jerome Powell as well.
And you've got to remember with the Time magazine, the
title goes to a person, group or a concept. Sometimes
it doesn't even go to a person, it'll go to

(01:05:35):
a group. I mean, at one point it was the
American middle class got the Time Person of the Year.
But it's a person who's had a person, group or
concept that has had the biggest impact for good or
for ill on the world over the previous year.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
And with those finalists of mind, and I'm just gonna
put my opinion right on the table right now, I
think Joe Rogan he has had a massive year, I
mean just in terms of his interview with Donald Trump.
And I know Donald Trump is clearly the front front runner,
but I would love to see Joe Rogan as Times
Person of the Year has been meteoric this year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
That word fire some people up. People would be furious
about that. Whoever wins people the furious because people love
getting furious about stuff. That's for sure. Donald Trump has
won it before. He won it in two thousand and sixteen.
But I mean that was a huge comeback for Donald Trump,
and he was he was down and out basically until
those prosecutions started being put against him and then his

(01:06:33):
poll numbers. I mean, it was what's his name? God,
I just got to the Florida governor. He was on
the on the rise, wasn't he?

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Yeah, another And then everyone thought he was the front
runner until those God, okay, I'm going to have to
I'm going to have to get this name here.

Speaker 11 (01:06:48):
I know it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
It's it's going to be Rond de Santis. Geez geez.
It was right, Rond de Santez was the shoe in
for the Republican nomination, and then there was the trials
against Donald Trump, the legal action, and then he went
up in the polls and he won it, and he
won it comprehensively. So he's got to be a front
runner and apparently is the front runner. Elon Muss has
done a lot, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
That's a huge nomination. Yeah, innovative disruptor of called him,
from online payments to electric vehicles to the commercial space.
The Tesla CEO has upended the industry, certainly has. And
again another person who is somewhat controversial but incredibly popular
with many many people out there, and fairly close to
Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Another of the possibilities is Jerome Powell, who's the I
think he's the head of the is. He's the head
of the Federal Reserve. Yeah, the chair of the Federal
Reserve for the United States. So he's definitely had an
outsized effect on the world. Whether it's for good or
for ill, that's for other people to decide. Zuckerberg hasn't

(01:07:50):
done much to be in there. I don't think Kate Middleton, so,
Kate Middleton has been dealing with cancer, so she's in
the mix there. I think she's coming right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
I mean a lot of big contenders there. As you said, Matt,
Donald Trump is the front runner. But love to hear
from you. Eight hundred eighty eighty. Who should be Times
Person of the Year this year nine two ninety two
is the text number. It is nineteen to three. Back
in a mow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks, EVY.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Good afternoon. We're talking about the Time Person of the Year.
The finalists aro out. It appears Donald Trump as the
front runner. But there are some heavy hitters, as there
always are for the Time Person of the Year finalists. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Who do you think
it should be? Just a couple of other names that
you might not know of are Julia naval Nayes. She

(01:08:49):
is the wife of Alexei Navauni. He died in February,
so she the wife and nowunced after her husband's death
in the Russian prison that she would continue has worked.
She accused Russian President Valaimir Putin of killing her husband
and has met with world leaders, including Biden as Russia
continues its in the Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
She's a rank outsider. Claudia Shinebaum who's made history as
she was the first sworn in as Mexico's first ever
female president. So there's a few coming through. But what
do you think this is a misunderstanding? Someone says, really,
Donald Trump, not sure he's done anything to warrant Person
of the Year dickhead, hands down, But that's misunderstanding. Whether

(01:09:29):
you think someone's a dickhead or not is irrelevant, as
Time magazine clearly points out, that it is a person
who has had the biggest impact for good or for ill.
So a lot of people think, I mean, the majority
of Americans think that Donald Trump's good, but nearly as
many think that he's ill. But that's not the point.
If a whole lot of people hate him and a

(01:09:50):
whole lot of people like him, then he's had a
big impact.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Exactly, David, how are you this afternoon.

Speaker 19 (01:09:56):
Yes, young man, look great topic. At all these nominations,
how many are over ten twenty?

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
It's crazy in terms of the finalists, it's narrowed down
to eight. Eight finalists.

Speaker 19 (01:10:09):
Okay, Look, my initial when I first heard this, my
initial reaction was Donald Trump, because he didn't have to
stand for the presidency, and against all odds, he came
through and one and he's presumably the most powerful man
in the world, depending how he decided it.

Speaker 14 (01:10:30):
That.

Speaker 19 (01:10:30):
Then, look, a few minutes after that's what I thought. No,
And something in my gut, if you excuse the reference,
something in my gut said, no, it's not Donald, He's
done a great job. It's got to be Kate.

Speaker 13 (01:10:42):
That's my voe.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Kate Middleton.

Speaker 19 (01:10:45):
Absolutely, she beauty counts, so that's sort of. But she's
a beautiful, young, courageous woman who has fought her own
battle as Trump. Did you know he fought his battle,
she has fought hers. They both come through. Trump had
the might of the USA, the billions at his disposal,

(01:11:10):
Kate presumingly a few dollars with the Buckingham Palace. But
the fact that I just love her, her grace, she
exudes some sort of strong calm.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Yeah, I've got a lot of time for Kate Middleton.
And like those conspiracy theories that circulated online in March
about her whereabouts and rumors of her the marriage, and
those people that came out and said that stuff in
the in the in the magazines and the gossip columns
and the royal writers, and then for her to come
out and it was cancer the reason why she was there,

(01:11:48):
And they'd made these speculations and put them across as truth.
Bad people, bad people.

Speaker 19 (01:11:55):
Look, look, you make a good point. And you two guys,
fabulous guys, who are you are not in the mainstream
media in terms of your opinion makers. You're talk about people, right,
and we're going to say about these rumors and stuff
circulating even happens in this little country with all this

(01:12:17):
crapped out the series and misinformation. It's one reason why
em is INBC is basically stuff because it came over
with these Hitler and Trump has Hitler theories. Forget. Like
I've done, I've tried to divorce herself of mainstream media.
A lot of it is rubbish.

Speaker 16 (01:12:38):
Not you.

Speaker 19 (01:12:40):
To go to go to go home, my guts and
my gut, says the courageous young woman.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
You said that nice and grace is the word there.
I mean, it can be hard to get good pr
as a member of the royal family, but she certainly
did that with grace, which I think sums that up.
Thank you very much, David Jack, Who do you reckon?

Speaker 22 (01:13:01):
You know, Let's look, I think it's going to go
to Donald Trump, and probably deservedly so, regardless of you
think of him. And by the way, I think he's
going to do great things for America, particularly with the
team he's got on. But he has had an outside
impact on the world over the last couple of years,
the good or bad, and I think he's going to

(01:13:21):
have an outside impact for America. However, I agree him.
Sorry I forgot who said it. With the sentiments around
Joe Rogan, I think Joe Rogan is probably the most
deserved winner of it, given that, you know, his success
and particularly probably his effect on you know, people's saw

(01:13:41):
patterns and the media in this modern age is completely
outside and he's really changed the kind of whole paradigm
about how people just discuss things, how the media presents
different things, and definitely in politics, I think the whole
podcast well, I mean they've been saying it since since

(01:14:03):
Donald Trump's interview. Next election is going to be the
podcast podcast election, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Well, I mean it was. It was widely considered a
massive mistake for Karmela to not do Joe Rogan because
that was you know she I mean that he was
demanding a three hour conversation and you have to fly
to Austin, but not already demanding that's what he does,
three hour conversations. And there in Austin, you can't have
your people in the room. Trump did it. Seventy million

(01:14:30):
people experienced it a minimum, and it changed the election,
and it really sort of changed the concept of those
you know, the sort of cable news network over there
and these these quick fast turnaround you know news, the
news cycle and the current talking point. It's very different
when you get someone chatting for three three hours as

(01:14:51):
far as a voter learning, you know, whether they like
the person or not.

Speaker 22 (01:14:56):
No, look, it's changed the whole you know, it's given
people a chance three hours in you know, Joe Rogan
himself said this in a subsequent podcast. You know, three
hours you can't fake that. You know, you're going to
learn who the person is, how they think, how how
smart they are really, you know, you get a gauge
of somebody's intelligence when they're in a dynamic situation like

(01:15:19):
that and having to react to a flowing interview as
opposed to what mantary media has given us the last
thirty years, which is sound bites and people talking to
just you know, kefly curated talking points and I don't know,
you've got to got to say, Tamarla, what you whatever?

Speaker 5 (01:15:38):
You think?

Speaker 22 (01:15:39):
She didn't share herself with glory in terms of you know,
her ability to think on her feet or anything like that,
and that lost.

Speaker 11 (01:15:47):
To the election.

Speaker 22 (01:15:48):
It just one one final point. I think the time
people of the Person of the Year. I think it's
a wonderful and actually a really really valid, I guess
award record if you want to call it, and it
always has been because it's really really brutally objective. I
believe way back in the day Hitler won.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Yeah, Adalf Hitler one Person of the Year in nineteen
thirty eight, and Joseph Stalin won at ninety thirty nine
and ninety forty two. That's why they say it's for
good or for ELL's it's the biggest impact.

Speaker 22 (01:16:20):
It's not. It's not a popularity contest. It is a
genuine appreciation for who said the most impact on the world.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Although, to be fair, Tyler Taylor Swift won fair Taylor
Swift one last year I believe, which I know it
might have been smirch the reputation a little bit.

Speaker 22 (01:16:36):
Definitely, definitely, thanks Jack, Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Couple of texts coming through a lot of
support for Donald Trump taking out Time Person of the year.
This year certainly looks to be the front runner. But
love to hear from you on oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Yes this Texas says, you may or may not have
any time for Trump, but there's no question he is
the most infamous or famous human of the year. And
Joe Rogan and Elon Musk's nominations and even Krmla Harris's
all circle around Donald Trump, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Yeah, yeah, they do. The text number it is seven
to three.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four you talk, said.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Be it is five to three, and we'll be talking
about the Time magazine Person of the Year, the person
that's had the biggest impact for good or ill, as
they put it. The final shortlist involves Karmala Hallis, Krmala Harris,
Kate Middleton, Elon mask Joe Rogan is in there, Donald Trump,
Mark Zuckerberg. Tell you what, looking at these texts, it

(01:17:45):
is very heavily in favor of Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Yeah, Trump by a mile. I hope it goes to Rogan,
but I think everybody's right if it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Was the ZB text machine, it would be Donald Trump
then Joe Rogan.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Yeah yeah, good chat right after three o'clock, Man, Yeah,
that's right, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
After three o'clock. Is it possible to eat healthy over Christmas?
We're going to lighten things up with some heavy food.
Could you get through the break and stay even or
actually lose weight this year? I'm planning to Is it possible?

Speaker 18 (01:18:14):
Weight?

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two?
What are your tips new sport and weather?

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Or on it's way? You're listening to matt and Tyler.
Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Full of cozy, A cozy little Christmas?

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
Here will you? Does you?

Speaker 13 (01:18:35):
And me?

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
And a causey little Christmas?

Speaker 16 (01:18:42):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Will you your new home for instateful and entertaining talk,
It's Mattie and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Sebby, Hello, do you welcome back into the show? Seven
past three?

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
So, I think there's a lot of people across this
beautiful country of ours that are heading into the Christmas
break with a dream in mind. And it may not
be an attainable dream, but I know I hold the stream,
and I know I've held this dream in the past.
It's the dream of getting through the Christmas break without
piling on the pounds. Because there's a lot of food

(01:19:18):
to be eaten, yes, and there's a lot of drinks
to be drunk, and you have to be festive, and
you've worked hard all year, and you deserve a break
and you deserve to treat yourself. But is it possible
to start the new year to return to work with
a rock and bod, or at least a bod that's
better than the one that you left with. Yeah, I'm
not sure. I'm going to try it again this year,

(01:19:39):
and I think there's a caveat And I'd love to
hear people's opinion on this. On e one hundred and
eighty ten eighty nine nine two is the text message.
I believe it's impolite to not stuff your face until
you lose consciousness on Christmas Day. Yes, I believe that
one you can't turn up to a family lunch and
or dinner or whenever you choose to celebrate Christmas and

(01:20:01):
not eat like a pig. That that's rude, that's impolite.
But around that, can you run a healthy regime and
actually use this break to get yourself in better shape
and return in twenty twenty five more alive than ever.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
If you've got the strategy, we'd love to hear it,
because I've tried this year after year after year, and
I'm a sucker for pear precia, particularly when there's Christmas
cocktails around. And as you say, I'm fully on the
bandwagon that it is rude that if I turn up
to the Christmas meal and they've done all this work
and there's all this beautiful food and pastries and all
this rubbish food that tastes really good, I go to town.

(01:20:38):
I think that you absolutely have to, but it just
carries on for me in the summer.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Then you get into New Year and there's more cocktails
and more food on off ftales.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Who drinks cocktail?

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
I love a cocktail.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
You drink a cocktail here?

Speaker 18 (01:20:51):
Here?

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Geez mate? All right, okay, fair enough each there. I
even suggest to this, and this may seem crazy, but
it got shot down, but I sueduced it to my
lovely partner. I said, how about on New Years just
for once? And this sounds insane coming from me, and
my twenty year old self would just be disgusted and
get in a time machine and punch me in the

(01:21:13):
face for this. But I suggested, what if we didn't
go out on New Year's Eve, and what if we
hadn't early one? And what if we got up early,
because we'll be down in Topau. If we got up
early and we climbed Mount Taharta and watched the sunset
on a new year from atop a beautiful mountain looking
out across the lake, sounds old and started the year

(01:21:36):
afresh and inspired, rather than backing into the year feeling revolting.
And because I mean, that's one of the weird things
about New Year's Eve, as you celebrate the last year,
but you start the new year on the back foot,
you wake up feeling absolutely terrible. But that was rightly
shot down.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
It was a big no.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
She said no. She said no to that, which is
she's fitness she's really fitness focused, but not on that
particular night. But yeah, I mean, is it possible? And
what techniques can we employ? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
nineteen nine two the text number. This text has gone
off as coming early with it's easy, fifty sit ups
in the morning, fifty in the evening.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
They're just on the New Year's strategy. I mean, is
there something in that as long as you make it
to midnight and you have three or four and look,
I'm gonna stick with the cocktails, thank you very much.
You have three or for of them that you get
to midnight, and then you kind of just slowly sort
of slink off because I'm with you every Year's Day.
There were two years ago that I spent the whole
day New Year's Day in a tent because I was
that much of a disgrace. I probably did some things

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the night before that, you know, I had to front
up too, so I spent the whole Yeah, what a
bad way checked it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
You should have actually gone out of the police station
and handed your behavior. Yeah, I mean there's I guess
we're conflated. We've got two issues here. And look, we
can run two issues simultaneously. We're smart enough to do
that here at newstalk zb Met and Tyler afternoons. But
there's two issues. Can you go through the Christmas break
and come out fitter and healthier than you went in?

(01:23:05):
Bearing in mind you have to stuff your face on
Christmas Day? And secondly, is it possible and do you
behave yourself on New Year's Eve and start the New
Year's fresh and all bright eyed and bushy tailed. And
there's that a good thing to do? And what is
it like? I've never done it? I know I haven't
done that since I was fifteen years old.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Yeah. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
It is twelve past three, Good afternoon, It is fourteen
past three. Is there a way to be healthy over
the Christmas period? We've both never never done it before,
so love to hear if you've managed to do it. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
I've got a text from my sisters come through here
from my big sister, Hey, Matt, because I was talking
about the possibility of staying sober on New Years even
waking up all fresh and ready for twenty twenty five,
and she said, Hey, Matt, you could come camping with
us in the middle of nowhere for New Years. Remember
that year you and Amelia and Felix and the boys
climbed the Big hill at Perakanoi Bay on New Year's

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Except no, I can't. I had horrificing over that morning
pounding head.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Yeah, that's great. The sticks is there, as my parents
always had to make an effort to make sure they
had a quiet New Year's so they could be fresh
for my birthday. And yeah, guys, sign up for an
event like Horris h y r o X, which is
at the start of February, makes you train over the
holiday period and not completely blow out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Oh okay, that's interesting. Put that in the list. I'm
getting a lot of heat as well in my anti
cocktail rhetoric because Tyler was just talking going on about
how much he loves cocktails and it just fired me out.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Didn't sit right with you?

Speaker 11 (01:24:47):
Did it?

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Your sisters come back as well? But yeah, I mean
I'm all about the Christmas cocktails. I was a slow
starter to the Christmas God cocktails. You gotta be careful
with that word. Margarita's summer.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no whiling away on Mardigareitaville. I've
got a bit of time for that. Absolutely, yes, So
let's go to Dave. You've had some success around staying
healthy across the Christmas period and not coming out worse
than you went in.

Speaker 16 (01:25:15):
Well, not just the Christmas period, as I explained to
the chapter answer the phone.

Speaker 11 (01:25:21):
I only eat once a.

Speaker 16 (01:25:23):
Day and have done so for about twenty five years,
and I've mastered the art of not stuffing myself ten
times a day. But you know, there's only as long
as you accept the harsh reality that food in equals
weight on and the more you eat, the more you're

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going to put on weight. And all the exercise in
the world won't get rid of weight, other than the
fact that you might not be eating while you're exercising.
But the exercise in and of itself won't get rid
of weight, never has.

Speaker 11 (01:25:59):
Never will.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Yeah, but it does a lot of other good for you.

Speaker 11 (01:26:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
I mean, you don't necessarily need to exercise just for
the weight, but you need to exercise it otherwise you become.

Speaker 16 (01:26:07):
A a lot of exercise. But I do it all
on one meal a day.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
But we'll just good on you, good on you. Do
you have one on Christmas Day?

Speaker 11 (01:26:17):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
So on Christmas Day? Do you do you have a
big Do you have a big blowout on Christmas Day?
Will you only eat once then? Or do you have
some exceptions?

Speaker 16 (01:26:25):
No? No, I never make an exception because if I
eat these days more than one meal a day. All
I want to do is go to sleep and feel
disgusted with myself. But I still managed to drink high
alcohol beer every day of.

Speaker 11 (01:26:40):
The year too.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
Okay, well that's something.

Speaker 16 (01:26:44):
It's all about how much food you eat, and that's
the harsh reality that nobody wants to face up to
you and the diet industries love it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
But Dave, isn't there a part of you? So you
turn up to your family Christmas dinner and someone's put
on this massive spread with all the tramines, and then
you look at them and say, hey, look, I'm really sorry.
I can only have a little bit because I'm on
the one meal of day. Die.

Speaker 16 (01:27:08):
Yeah I do. I do say that, you know, but
I always make sure I take something home. But I
mean I can spend the whole day just watching everyone
else and eat because I've trained myself to do so.
But I have on the odd occasion over the years
blowing out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
As they say, Yeah, I think it's an important part
of Christmas, eating so much that you feel disgusting. At
about three o'clock, you fall asleep on the couch and
wake up just feeling terrible. That's I think that's part
of honoring your family at Christmas.

Speaker 16 (01:27:43):
I think the best way to do it, if you're
going to do that, is get drunk first, because then
you don't care as much.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
I like your approach. It's a very yin and yang
approach to health. You're giving it and taking at the
same time. That's that's admirable. Thanks so much for your call, Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Cheers day. Just on the exercise over Christmas. And this
is something that happened each year when we go to
the mobrasounds. Mate's parents are very lucky to ever placed there,
but her dad is he's a bit of a fitness
freak and he's got what they call the triathlon every
year and if not everybody does it, he gets really grumpy.
And my, oh my. I mean there was a strategy
to it. The last time I tried to do it

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after New Year's Night and it's a cycle up a
massive hurl and then we've got to run about three
k and then it was a swim and it's only
about a five hundred meter swim in the sea.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
So like a like a miniature triathlon.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Yeah, miniature triathlon. And did the cycle. My time was
terrible and I kind of pushed the bike up the
hell a little bit. If you're listening now, Pete, Yes,
I cheated a little bit. Then the run was okay,
but then I got into the water and started struggling,
and I was hanging on to the boys in the
in the bay for dear life.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
The boys or the boys, well boys.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
If there was a boy there, I would have held
on for him for dear life as well. But yeah,
the boys are sitting there because I just could not
get round this really yeah. And everybody was up on
the deck at the batch screaming going come on, Tyler,
come on. And then they saw me hanging on the
boys and I could just hear the oh no. And
at one stage the young came down almost jumped in
the water to save me. That was the last time

(01:29:11):
I did the triathlon, never again.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Empathetic, I mean, jumping in cold water is the best way, like,
no matter no matter what you've done in terms of
your festivities, no matter how far you've pushed the boat out,
jumping in the water and that's pun not intended. Jumping
in cold water is the best way to start a year,
no matter how you're feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
The great reset.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Yeah, I mean I did that last year, wasn't feeling
great after a mass of New Year's Eve and jumped
in Lake topoor and nearly nearly fixed me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Oh eight hundred eighty eight as the number to call,
nine two nine two. Can you have a healthy fest
of season? Love to hear from you if you've managed
to achieve it? And secondary questions should you yeah? Good question?

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Or you just ruining your holiday by putting unreal realistic
expectations on yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
It is twenty past.

Speaker 7 (01:30:01):
Three Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Twenty three past three, where asking the question can you
and should you have a healthy festive season?

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
And is it or is it just kidding yourself? Because
right now I'm picturing just powering through the break and
coming out returning to news Talk ZB afternoons with Tyler
more healthy than I am right now. Never done it before?
But is it possible?

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
Steven, you reckon it is possible.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
If that's our year.

Speaker 23 (01:30:37):
So what I do is every year is I pace
myself leading up to the big day because I know
that when the big day comes, I've got the cream
power Seper Charter three fish Stebber. You know, I kind
of like have the barbecue because I have the barbecue
following there. But yeah, I just I go hard, made
I eat till it earth and then worry about it

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later and then but aswimming the next DAYE kind of
burns things up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Yeah, where do you live to get all that? Kai mowana, Stephen?
That sounds amazing.

Speaker 23 (01:31:08):
Here enough north of mean ketch up with the final
up there. So yeah, it's been a long thom since
I hit a dream po and then some seafood because
it's just too expensive and ugling at the moment. But
I'll tell you what, I don't hold back when I
get to you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Yeah, a bit bit, So go hard on Christmas Day
and after that, Steve and Ed do you get yourself
back on track?

Speaker 14 (01:31:26):
Uh?

Speaker 23 (01:31:27):
Just a lot of swimming. But I'm walking and just
we put the phone all like because the reception is
bad anyway, So it's not like you're going to be
sitting down there looking at Facebook. So yeah, it's not
for bad receptions. So it just means you have to.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
Get out and go out and about them.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
You do a bit of swimming, chopping some file Yeah,
love it, love it.

Speaker 23 (01:31:45):
Yeah, yeah, just yeah, just take it back to the basics.

Speaker 11 (01:31:48):
Just switch off for a little.

Speaker 23 (01:31:49):
Bit and then again then come back and yeah, doing
all again for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
So good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Thank you for your Thank you for cool Steven. Appreciate
it kids.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Cheers man, Uh, plenty of ticks coming through on nine
to nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
I think we've got a text from the grunch here.
I do the mainstream media, like yourselves, always go on
about holidays over Christmas when a large percentage of our
community either have to or choose to work. Are those
that are simple nine to five as Monday to Friday
the majority or the minority? Would love to know if
this can be found. I have not had three weeks
off over Exmas for over twenty years, but that's my choice. Yeah, okay, Well,

(01:32:29):
I'm sure some people do work over and your so
because some people don't have a break over Christmas, we
shouldn't talk about a breakover Christmas. I think it is
a well known thing that people take the statutory holidays off.
Yeah over Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Yeah, and if you're working over Christmas, credit to you,
but you're on you. Most people are having a break.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
But Simon doesn't think we should talk about the Christmas
break at all, because some people don't take a Christmas break.
I mean, if you only talked about things that one
hundred percent of people do, then there wouldn't be much
to talk about with them.

Speaker 11 (01:33:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to
call love to hear from you, Jeremy, You reckon, You've
achieved a pretty healthy fist of season.

Speaker 24 (01:33:14):
Absolutely pretty much every Christmas season, well especially for us,
because I take the top off, it's pretty active anyway
you're out swimming or doing whatever you're doing. So even
though you do indulge on the likes of Christmas Day
and candy for a New Years, there's always something service
here about to beat your swimming.

Speaker 11 (01:33:31):
Some actives that mine's not.

Speaker 24 (01:33:32):
I find I lose a little bit of way both periods,
just because you're way more active than what you used
to be in the office or doing whatever you do.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Is that pretty hard though? When you know, if there's
family events going on and it's the fist of season
and the drinks and the cocktails are flowing, is that
pretty hard to stay on?

Speaker 6 (01:33:48):
Trick?

Speaker 24 (01:33:51):
No, I teend to think personally that we're losing New
Zealand as and losing your love a.

Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
Fields alcohol a little bit. For me, I drink way
less than what I used to. It's much to be
of age. But all my natribs ACU the same. Yeah,
I just don't think I think we have that same
re The alcohols we.

Speaker 24 (01:34:09):
Head on kids nowadays are probably a little bit more
teward when I was eighteen as well.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Yeah, yeah, and so so in terms of your exercise regime,
have you roped some of the family members into that?

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
My family probably that yours are just ultra competitives. There's
always something to do, and yeah it does my head,
but you take just because it's fun and it's a
fun family thing.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Yeah, yeah, love it, Jeremy, Thank you very much. There
is a text to supporting yourself Matt and me for
that matter. It sounds like that grinch Simon needs the
Christmas breaks for yourself man. Yeah, great text.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Yeah, he was furious that we're what do you want
us to do that we're talking about? No, I get it,
and look I tell you what, good on you? I
get on you. The police officers, the nurses, all the
people that keep our country going over the Christmas break.
Bless but a lot of us take a break. I
take a break every year, and I'm thoroughly looking forward

(01:35:12):
to it, and there's nothing wrong with.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
That, absolutely, And can I just mention he said that
was his choice working over the Christmas break. So come
on mate, right, I'll tell you what after the headlines.
A man who would be very interesting to chat to
about this is Dave Lettelli, also known as the Brown Butterbean.
Will have a cheat to him very shortly, but keen
to hear from you as well. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two

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nine two is the text number. Headlines coming up.

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Why humidity makes us so irritable and exhausted and how
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and Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Thank you, Rayleen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
I've a dream that I shared earlier around getting through
the Christmas break in the festive season and coming out
fitter and more healthy than I go in. I've had
that dream every year for a number of years, and
every year I've failed and I've over indulged. Is it possible?
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine nine two
is the text number. Here's one of those. For forty

(01:37:17):
nine years of my life. Mum has made a huge
pavlova for our Christmas Day meal, no choice but to
eat it and put on some weight from Mike. See, yeah,
I think on Christmas Day. Yeah, you have to enjoy
some treats on Christmas Day. It's part of celebrating the
special time with your family.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Definitely. When Mum puts on a massive pavlover and you
tune up because you're on the health binge and say
I only want a tiny slice, Mum, and see that
upside down smile on your face, You'll break your heart.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
It's the days around Christmas Day.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Yeah. On the line is Dave Letelly, you kid, he Dave,
eighteen hours are going very good. Now you know a
lot about this sort of thing, Dave, so you reckon
it's is it easy to have a healthy Christmas?

Speaker 6 (01:37:57):
Oh? Look I just messaged and you know something one
of my mentors told me a long time ago. I've
managed to lose one hundred kilos and keep most of it.
I'll come in helping others as well, and always worries
what they do between Christmas and New Year. But you
know the main thing is what we do between New
Years and Christmas. That's like, like, do you ever be

(01:38:18):
worrying about what you're doing all through the year, Like,
you know, there's no point starting between Christmas.

Speaker 11 (01:38:23):
And New Year? You know.

Speaker 6 (01:38:24):
But but the other thing is, you know, it's all
about it's not about just having a six pack run.
It's not being healthy and happy, and part of that
is enjoying those times and moments with your family.

Speaker 14 (01:38:34):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:38:34):
That's part of living a healthy, maintainable lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Yeah, because I guess the reason why I'm thinking about
doing it over the break is because I ever been
doing it all year, so I'm always looking. I'm always
looking for a moment to start.

Speaker 16 (01:38:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:38:46):
Well, they well that thing the first rule, just start,
don't don't don't ever think it's start right now. So
the thing is as well as like Christmas in year
is only two days, Christmas one day and New Years
and another day. So you know, it's only you know,
you're going to have treat meals. That's fine, have those
two treat mills every other day. Just do your normal stuff.
You know, we don't have to all meet up and
have big feeds and drink us. We can meet up
as friends and family and go for a walk call,

(01:39:07):
you know, a high or do a workout and all
those types of healthier things.

Speaker 11 (01:39:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Well, I think definitely if you can get out for
a post Christmas lunch walk, that does a lot for
for for everyone everyone involved, you know, in terms of
that food coma that you sometimes go into.

Speaker 6 (01:39:23):
Yeah, and it's not just like what's good for you physically,
going for a walk will be so much better for
you mentally because you feel good again, Like, you know,
the feeling you had the last fighting, Oh no, I
shouldn't have done that. You feel guilty, you feel bad.
Going for a walk will solve that. You know, you
feel you'll feel good again.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
Yeah. Just in terms of the people that you see
after New Year's Dave, I mentioned your you know, your
numbers go up in the new year. Is there strategies
you've got to keep them on the path, you know,
because it's that whole New Year's resolution thing, right, this
is the year that I'm going to kick us and
get a six pack. There must be some strong strategies
to keep those guys on on en route.

Speaker 11 (01:39:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:39:59):
So we're connection. We all connect it all through through
our Facebook group and we all meet up outside the
gym and when we come back it's just remembering our
why and why we have to be help being happy,
you know, and for a lot of us, it's to live.
You know, a lot of the people were helping. They
can't even they couldn't ever sit behind the steering wheel before.
They could have walked before, you know. So it's about
remember where they started and why they started. And that's

(01:40:21):
enough to you know, not forgetting the pain we've gone through.
You know, losing one hundred kilos is not easy. So
you if when you fall off the wagon, think about
all that work, you know that that it took and
falling off the wagons fine, you know, just don't stay
off that. That's the thing you just got to get
back on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Yeah, I've always been able to fit behind the steering wheel.
But there's that's the thing. When you find yourself back
in the in the in the shape you were before
you started, and and you were so happy when you
got there, and you have that period there, it's yeah,
I mean that that's kind of the gutting part when
you look back and go, I let it slip again. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:40:53):
Yeah, but don't you know, don't be your own biggest critic.
You know, if if you've done that, don't don't pull
yourself down, you know, build yourself up. Say come on,
we can do this. We've done it before, we can
do again.

Speaker 11 (01:41:02):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Yeah yeah yeah, make it your project. That's what I'm doing.
I'm making my project. So maybe i'll you know, I
won't be so hard on myself over the Christmas break
and then.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
You know in the guard Yeah, get up that mountain matte.
Yeah now, Dave. Really nice to check to you, matey,
great Christmas you too, you too. I eight hundred eighty
ten eighty love to hear from you on this his text.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Boys, this could be slightly off topic, but the massive
family bust up, partially alcohol fueled after Christmas lunch, I
feel you should get a mention along with the traditional
overall indulgence regards Steven. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's
the thing about Christmas. It can it can turn, can't it.
It's supposed to be this whole and we talk about it.
It's incredibly this family event and it's wholesome. But boy,

(01:41:48):
when a Christmas turns.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
On you, it's ugly.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
It is ugly that can turn. I've been involved in
a few Christmases that turn terribly there's being one where
a guy got squashed between two cars, but that's that's
a topic.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Story for another day. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Nine two nine two
is the text number if you've managed to have a
healthy festive season. Loved to hear from you, or if
you're going to give it a crack this year, Love
to hear from you as well. It is twenty three
minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Your new home of afternoon Talk and even Taylor Adams
Afternoon Call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Say'd be it's a twenty to four and we are
talking about strategies to have a healthy fest of season.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Yeah, So we're getting a whole lot of text through
here on this nine two nine two. The idea that
maybe you could come out of the festive season in
better shape than you went in a lot of people
saying that that's not the point of it at all,
and stop setting unrealistic expectations. You might as well also
plan to write a unicorn during that time. There's another
side of the argument as well, coming through on nineteen

(01:42:54):
nine two. I find it discussing that people over indulge
at Christmas. This is text when there are people with
nothing out there, it's just disrespectful to them.

Speaker 19 (01:43:01):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Wow, So what do you do? So you just have
I don't know nothing, what so you don't get together
with your family? You just sit around and.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
Yeah, everybody has a miserable Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
And this one's directed at you, Tyler Wine. God's name,
would anyone drink so much of it a night that
they can't swim the next day?

Speaker 11 (01:43:18):
Grow up?

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
Yeah? Well, I mean the fact that I spent the
whole day in the tent, too embarrassed to come out.

Speaker 14 (01:43:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
Yeah, it was on my finest moment and then had
to crawl into the sea.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
And around the topic of you know, we got some
flak around talking about holidays when not everyone takes holidays,
and you know, and I was talking about people working
hard and deserving a break, and you know, all due
respect to the people that do have to work over
the break, this texta says you don't work at all, Matt,
You're a muppet. So you know, keep those coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Its Christmas time, feeling the joy. And this one quickly
hi boys. Don't bother with the healthy eating over the system.
It's false, hope. That's why most fail by February start.
You're starting off at the wrong time of year. Need
to crack into that in the depth of winter. I
don't know about that strategy because I go hard on
the food and winter because nobody's seen my gut then,

(01:44:07):
I mean, nobody see my game.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Take the foot off the take the foot off the
break until winter. Yeah, so that's like basically a six
month industry from now.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
Yeah, hibernates Mark, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 9 (01:44:20):
Good mate, good good, Hey. Look, just to sort of
give you another view to it, I had a stomach bypass.
And what it means now is, once upon a time
I used to be resonably good drinker at Christmas time
and food and all that. Now I'm a lightweight and
basically I'm the digignated driver. So yeah, once upon a time,

(01:44:44):
good times. Now reality kicks in and you know, when
you lose weight, you're going to lose weight. The interesting
part is that if I have a stubby, I'll be
pretty much over the limit. That's how the system.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Works now, all right, So so sorry, I just missed
what you said at the start, So you had what
was the surgery.

Speaker 11 (01:45:03):
That you had a stomach bypass? So what they do
with me?

Speaker 9 (01:45:08):
What they did with me was they used my intestine
as the stomach rather than cutting the stomach.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Up right, okay? And how long ago did you have
that done?

Speaker 9 (01:45:20):
A couple of years ago? So pretty much it's direct
line into the intestine, right, any alcohol?

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Yeah? I see? Yeah, so but bypasses what would normally
process it?

Speaker 11 (01:45:34):
Yep?

Speaker 6 (01:45:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:45:35):
So yeah, now I'm the designated driver.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
And and have you found, even though that you've missed
out on certain things obviously, have you found that your
quality of life is improved?

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:45:48):
How are you? Mate?

Speaker 9 (01:45:50):
If I hadn't had the operation, I'd be dead.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Right, Well, that is an improvement for sure. We're glad
to have you here.

Speaker 6 (01:45:56):
Mark.

Speaker 11 (01:45:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:45:58):
I lost over a third my body weight in literally
four months.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
Wow. How is it to go through that? And like
mentally does does your mind set change as well as
your your your physiology?

Speaker 9 (01:46:10):
Oh yeah, look you you know this is a sledgehammer.
It's not you know, dames losing light. This is this
is sleege gammer material.

Speaker 4 (01:46:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:46:20):
For about four months you're literally living on liquids and
protein minerals, et cetera, et cetera. But yeah, it's a
whole change, your whole, your whole, everything about you changes
so dramatically and so quickly that you're you know, you

(01:46:40):
think you know, I.

Speaker 11 (01:46:41):
Was a big rugby player once upon a time.

Speaker 9 (01:46:43):
Now you know, I struggle to even looks probably forty
kilo bag of cement or something like that.

Speaker 11 (01:46:51):
You've just you know, all your.

Speaker 9 (01:46:52):
Proteins, all your body just changes so quickly. But it's
the difference between living and dying.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but like a couple of years into it,
because I understand, when you're carrying around a lot of weight,
it also slows your mind and you know, can can
affect your mood. So are you feeling generally more positive
now you've lost all that weight?

Speaker 11 (01:47:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:47:17):
Yeah, yeah, look definitely, I mean that you had a
major effect. I've had a knee replacement and that was
all bordering on the fact that I was carrying too
much weight. It was injuring you, affecting my joints.

Speaker 11 (01:47:31):
So yeh.

Speaker 9 (01:47:33):
But like I said, I was a big eater, especially
come Christmas time.

Speaker 11 (01:47:38):
You know food.

Speaker 9 (01:47:39):
I like my meat, I like you know, but you've
just got to be ration ration about it now, and
you know, eat and moderate over a long period of time.
And yeah, all the big colors out there. If you're struggling,
that's the only way you can really get around it.

Speaker 11 (01:47:58):
I struggled to lose weight.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
Clearly, it saved your life.

Speaker 11 (01:48:02):
Mark.

Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
But is that is it still a little bit hard
at this time of the year when there's all that
good food and you know, other family men as might
be having a few drinks and all that sort of thing.
Is that still hard for you or have you completely
change your mindset with that?

Speaker 9 (01:48:15):
Yeah, you just you just don't drink.

Speaker 7 (01:48:17):
I mean.

Speaker 9 (01:48:19):
You might have it like a locale stubby, you know,
and you have that for over half an hour. You
just have a little little slip that you don't you know,
drop it back like a jug or you know and
dug racing or something like that. You just throw it up,
just take your time a little bit by a little bit,
and you know, you get through the system.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Yep, Well, congratulations, Mark. I mean, it's you know, a
heck of a journey for you. And and at this
stage you're still i mean, clearly with the surgery, you're
you're still on track and you're pretty healthy.

Speaker 11 (01:48:52):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:48:53):
Yeah, I'll put on a little bit of weight as
my body has now started to you know, balance yourself out.
But no, I'm I'm you know, the big thing is
your blood and diabetes.

Speaker 11 (01:49:07):
You know, I was tipping some really really.

Speaker 9 (01:49:10):
Bad scales and diabetes wise, and it's just basically changed
over four months now I don't have diabetes anymore, completely
changed your whole your whole system, changes your whole You know,
you've got to go and buy yourself a whole new
set of clothes because you've lost that much amount of weight.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
Did you have to did you have this kind of
a personal question, but did you end up with quite
a lot of extra skin for a while? No, shrunk
with you.

Speaker 9 (01:49:42):
Just quietly sort of you know, you get stretched when
you're big. But yeah, as you start to lose No,
I wasn't that that hugely opiece. It sort of, you know,
tucks itself back in quite nicely.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Good on you, Mark, Well, I'm glad it's worked out
for you, and I'm glad you're still with us, and
I hope you have a great, a great Christmas in
New Years.

Speaker 9 (01:50:02):
Yeah, yeah, and you guys too, I mean you're you're
actually are breath appreciated on talk.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Oh thank you mate, Thanks buddy, I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
Cheers, Mark, thank you very much. Oh e one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call cricktics here. Hi, guys,
my family burg drinkers, and no matter how hard I
try to stay away from the cocktails and the good food,
that is incredibly hard over Christmas. I'm very healthy throughout
the rest of the year, but it all goes to
hell come December, and I think sometimes you just got

(01:50:32):
to live life a little.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Here's a ticks here. I recall one of you starting
one meal a day a few weeks back. Has that
blown out? Loll cheers, Sundra. No, it hasn't strictly blown out,
But that was me that was doing. Oh oh no,
I wasn't starting one meal a day. What I was doing.
I was I started not eating breakfast and trying to
have a fasting period and eating all my food between
between twelve and and seven at night. And I've kept

(01:51:00):
doing that. As a result, when we start our show
at twelve, I'm shoving heaps of food into my face.
So the first break is always a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
Munchie, and you're not. It's beautifully healthy lunch that you've got.
It's usually chicken and broccoli. So are we going to
do a weigh in before we finish this year?

Speaker 6 (01:51:16):
Matt?

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Maybe we set ourselves maybe?

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Well yeah, yeah, So you're suggesting so over the break
because I've talked about this idea, this concept of trying
to come out of the break more healthy than you
go in. And you know, weight isn't just the only
is the only metric of health, but it's an easy
one for it. It's an easy thing for us to test.
So you and me way out Salves yep, before we
go away. So our last show is next Friday, yep. Correct,

(01:51:42):
So we weigh ourselves next Friday, and then we see
if we can come out of the Christmas break when
we come back, and who wins the person that's it
would have to be the highest percentage of body Well.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Yeah, you've got to do a percentage quite the biggest loser.
This is the news talks Eb's biggause biggest loser who
comes back with the most percentage of weight loss?

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Should we call it the festive loser?

Speaker 11 (01:52:04):
Look?

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
I am game at this stage. Maybe we have a
chat about that next week. I mean there's got to
be some sort of punishment or some sort of price.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
Yeah. So yeah, okay, let's do that. I'll forget. Let's
write that down somewhere or someone to keep us remind us.
Here's a text on nine two nine two, Matt, eat,
drink and be mirror. You're not even that fat. I
saw you running past in part the other day. Terrible
running style, but tubby worse. Oh I'll take that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
Eighty is the number to call. Nine two niney two
is the text number. It is ten to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. You
for twenty twenty four us talk, said B, said B.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
Afternoon it is seven to four. Some great ticks coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Yeah. So so we've decided a challenge and it's the
what what do you call it? The Fist of Loser,
The Fist of Loser.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
Yeah, there are some other suggestions.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Someone's calling it the Fattest Bastard, but I don't know
if the fatest past it works. So basically that what
we're going to do is mentally going to weigh our
sales on the right at the end of the Friday show,
not this Friday, next Friday, and the greatest percentage of
loss over the Christmas break.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
This is going to be the worst Festive season ever.
This text to says, Kiday, guys, I gave up beer
for four months, got huge muscles and had a hard
six pack stomach. Only back on the beer one month
and the only six packers in the fridge now.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Blind way in. So you don't know how you're doing? Yeah, yeah,
all right, what does that mean?

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
Blind way in? All right? So we don't know how
much the other person weighs? Ah right, so effective.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
For we don't know how much we weigh. No, damn?
Can you can you explain what you're talking about there?

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
Yeah, I'm keen. I'm in on it, and we're going
to video it to make sure that we stick to it,
and we're going to figure out some sort of punishment.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
Well, what's your plan to do it? So we've been
asking people for the last hour what's planned to still
have a good time, still celebrate on Christmas, still celebrate
on New Years, but come out overall over the Christmas
breay healthier, wealthier, and wiser. I'm going to be doing wealthier.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
I'm going to be doing the triathlon and mobrasounds and
hopefully I don't drown in the sea part of that triathlon.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
I guess that's the problem without this whole thing, because
we're only mentioning one variable, which is weight. Yeah, so
you could come out healthier you were, you know, fitter. Yeah,
and you don't lose a lot of weight from exercise,
do you No, So it's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
We want to get a doctor and to do all
the vitals and we can just go through the measurements
and see who is the healthier stuff to summer. We're
making a lot of promises here, but this is going
to be good.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
Are we just ruining our Christmases?

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
Yeah? That's what I feel.

Speaker 19 (01:54:45):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
I was looking to enjoy a few cocktails this summer.
But yeah, thank you very much for today. It's been
a great discussion all around. To really appreciate all your
phone calls and text Friday tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
Yeah, that's right, and we will announce the Matt and
Tyler afternoons New Zealand of the Week. Who will it be?
Until then, give them a taste of Kiwi.

Speaker 20 (01:55:11):
I blew out my flip flopping, stepped on the Pope.
Pope couldn't My heel had the cruise on back home,
But this Bootles and the Blander that soon every randa,

(01:55:33):
that ruise and concoction that helps me hang on were
stand away again in myriad of it, searching for my
Lord Sugar Salt.

Speaker 21 (01:55:56):
Some people blame that there's everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
On the blame, but I don't know.

Speaker 20 (01:56:05):
Gets my own damn hole.

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
Listen.

Speaker 20 (01:56:11):
Some people blame their wane the blame.

Speaker 6 (01:56:17):
I know it's on.

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
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