Full Show Podcast: 12 June 2025

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Good, Hello, are you great New Zealanders, And welcome to
Matt and Tyler Full Show Podcast number one forty four
for Thursday, the twelfth of June twenty twenty five. Boy boy,
that last topic when we got into the musical geniusis
on the back of Brian Wilson passing away. That could
have gone for three hours, thousands and thousands of texts.
It was a little up. It was an onslaught. It
was hard to deal with that. It was like, you know,

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trying to stand up in a when a damn breaks
and sort of run that. And also my headphones blow up,
which made it very very difficult. But I'm not going
to complain. I'm not going to play. It was a
great chat. The booze chat was good and I really really,
really really really enjoyed our chat about gondolas and queensdown.

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Oh yeah, the gondola chat was amazing.

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And also there was a lot of chat about a
particular place somewhere in the in the South Island, and
suspicion is that they they enjoy putting the keys in
the wall.

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There's this futuristic town that's brewing that's a cross between Pleasantville,
getteka Ohn yep and just a swingers party.

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Welcome and to Thursday show. I hope you're doing fantastic.
Great to have your company has always ghetto.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Matt's Hey, I got an email yesterday, Tyler yep from
a woman calling me a misogynist for our chat yesterday.
How does she I know? She was furious about a
number of things about our chat, and I think she
was blaming me for some of the calls non things
I said. I just wanted to say, it's all the
wives and women and what's that line from the BC
Boys songs? Anyway, I was brought up with three sisters

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and I dedicated my whole book to my mum. Yeah,
it's on the front page. Right there. I love you
women and respect women more so than any given woman
would be better co host than you, Tyler, is what
I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
She says that all the time, flks all the time,
and that's my feelings.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
And I know that's faint praise for women, but yeah,
that's almost, it's almost. I just wanted to say that
I am so far from misogynist. Yeah, absolutely massive fan
of women. Yeah. Look, there's no way my lovely sisters
and Louise, Catherine and Imogen and my lovely mum Rosemary

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would have ever allowed me to be slightly misogynistic.

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And just quickly on emails, I had an email used
to it as well from a Gail. I haven't responded
to yet Gail, but I will. But she she called
me up in my pronunciation of women. She got very
angry with me, and she said, Raylene, if she heard,
would give me a slapping. So I respond to Gail
very shortly on email. But Gail, if you're listening, I
heard you.

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I heard you.

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Swimming swim and women swim, and women swimm and women
right to today's show. It is a doozy after three
o'clock sad news for a lot of music fans around
the world. Brian Wilson, the founder and principal creative force
behind The Beach Boys, passed away at the age of
eighty two.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
No doubt he was a genius. The Pet Sounds album
is phenomenal. He had his troubles. I think his genius. Actually,
you know, he had the gift in the Curse. No doubt
he's a genius. But is he the greatest musical genius
of all time? And if not, who That's the question
we want to ask. After three o'clock on one hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Looking forward to that after two o'clock, moving south wine,
North Islanders are upping sticks and droves. This is according
to the latest figures from Stats New Zealand, so between
twenty eighteen and twenty twenty three, around eighty six thousand
people shifted from the North Ireland to the South. That
is a heck of a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, and look, I was born in the South. Cheese
roll in my mouth. I love my hometown. I love
I love it Targo, I love Southland, I love it.
But I just don't know. I just don't know North
Islanders can handle the winters. I just don't know if
they can get back to me after your first winter
and then your second winter. Because we love it. We

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love the cold, we embrace it because we're half. But
look at you. You've just moved up from christ Church
and you still love christ Jurch. You moved up because
we were going to do the show and once in
a lifetime opportunity the my Costing Memorial studios here so
and not in christ Church, so you had to move up.
But you're so sweety, You've been so sweety sweaty.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
I went from a hard man and christ Church battling
the cold to then a really weak man who can't
handle a bit of heats.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
So there you go. I tell you what's mind you?
This cold places in North Islanders and Topora in the
weekend and beautiful beautiful spot that is. But that's got
a that's got a South Island, a South Island nip
to the airs.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, Alakuni is another one. But that is going to
be a great chat after two o'clock. But right now,
let's have a chat about the increasing price of alcohol
at off license stores. That's a request being made by
a publican and a police officer for different reasons from
the publican and the hospitality side of things. They can
see and the evidence is pretty clear that most of

(05:31):
the alcohol harm as recorded happens in private homes.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Absolutely, so police and hospitality groups argue off license alcohol
is disproportionately linked to harmful drinking, especially in homes. Restaurants
and bars they hire people not just in them to
work in them, to serve in them, cooking them and such,
but also to build them. And look, I know this

(05:55):
is a complex issue around how excise tax is implemented,
but I believe that that the bars absolutely should be
playing the bars and restaurants absolutely should be playing less
less tax because they do less damage. Yeah, I would,
you know, I would go all the way and say
they should be paying They shouldn't be paying anything more

(06:16):
than GST due to the good that bars and restaurants
do in the community. But you know, keep the excise
tax on off licenses where eighty four percent of booze
is sold, how much better would New Zealand be and
how much better would our economy be and our society
be of eighty four percent was consumed at bars and
restaurants instead of eighty four percent of our coal being

(06:36):
consumed at home. Yeah, seems like a one to one.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
But keen to hear from you, oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty if you work in the business, really
keen to get your thoughts is increase in the price
of booze at off license your liquors thought and drastically
reducing it at your bars and restaurants?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
And supplementary question that someone should be Hopefully someone can
ask why are we why is it excise tax? Why
is it why is the tax enacted by customs when
a lot of our coals manufactured in New Zealand. Yeah,
it seems like a very complicated way to go about.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
That went under the radar, didn't that's so so coming
up we are going to have a chat to Sam McKinnon.
He is the head of communications at Hospitality in z
We're really keen to get their thoughts, but also we've
got a few questions for them as well. But keen
to get your thoughts on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Do you agree with me that we want people drinking
out at bars and restaurants as opposed to drinking at home?
And if that, if so, how should we do it?

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Twelve fast through our one battery shortly the.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Used talks that'd be very good afternoons, say, police and
publicans are arguing for price controls at off license and
making it cheaper for on licenses when it comes to
alcohol on license of course being bars, restaurants, et cetera.
Off licenses being your local liquor stores and supermarkets. To
break this down a little bit further, we are joined
by Sam McKinnon. He has head of Communications at Hospitality

(08:02):
New Zealand. Sam, very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Welcome to the show, Matt and Tyler, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Let's go right back to the basics. How is excise
tax imposed on alcohol and New Zealand?

Speaker 6 (08:15):
How is it?

Speaker 5 (08:16):
It's charged on the production of each unit, So it
doesn't matter if you're buying in a keg or in
a bottle from a supermarket, from an on premise environment,
you're paying paying a trunk of excise tax tax on
top of the unit price of that purchase.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well how does that work?

Speaker 7 (08:34):
Though?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Because some alcohols manufactured in New Zealand and some of
it's imported into the country. An excise tax seems to
suggest it's a customs based thing.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Yeah, I mean it is excise taxes administered by the
Customs Customs in New Zealand, and I guess it's probably a
bit of a historical historical.

Speaker 8 (08:53):
Anominally given that.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Most of the booze and tobacco was originally imported into
New Zealand. So I guess customs manage that process and
then have continued to do so.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
So if you manufacture that alcohol in New Zealand, you
have to put it through a bonded warehouse.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah, well, there's some exemptions. You probably testing my knowledge
exactly on the Customs Customs process works, but you know
there are some exemptions to those rules. But buy and
large most of the alcohol you're buying.

Speaker 9 (09:27):
In New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
As the excise taxes collected by customs.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Now, this is obviously a leading question, Sam, But what
causes the most harm in New Zealand alcohol drunk at
home or at bars and restaurants?

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yeah, hospitality in New Zealand. You know, we feel that
well run, licensed premises are the safest place to consume alcohol.
So in our view, if you're drinking at a pub.
We're looking after point of consumption as well as point
of sale. The opportunity for harm to occur as much lower.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
So what would hospitality and New Zealand like to see
happen to move the balance from eighty four percent of
alcohol being drunk at home or brought on off licenses
and move that more towards people drinking in bars and restaurants.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Yeah, I sent, there's some opportunity to look at the
rules around excise tax and the amount that's paid in
the on premise environment across beer, wine and spirits. You know,
the annual increase on excise tax since twenty twenty one
to twenty twenty four, there was a nine ten percent

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increase in excise tax. So when you look at the
cost of a KEG, forty seven percent of that prices
tax when you're including GST.

Speaker 7 (10:44):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
So looking at how you can how you can change
some of those parameters, which certainly improves the costings for
on premise environments and I guess enable us to pass
some of that cost on and encourage some on premise consumption.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Are we an outlier sam to other jurisdictions around the
world Australia, for example, do they have regulations in place
that makes it more expensive to buy your personal booze
then go to a BT.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yeah, I mean they're costing regime is a bit different
to us. So your your cost of off premise purchase
a buying from a bottle shop versus buying in a
pub about the same And so I guess your decision
making is around the occasion that you're looking to consume
rather than it just being cost driven. We look at
at the UK post COVID, they've they've sort of had

(11:36):
a look at how they can improve some encouraging on
premise consumption and they're put in a two year freeze
on on text increases for pubs. So you know, there's
there's there's different ways that we can sort of manage this,
And I guess we would love to see hospitality recognized
for its value to communities, but by being able to
centivize more of that on premise consumption.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I mean obviously an easy way would be for keg
beer to be text at a different rate, because you know,
people aren't buying a keygn taking them home very often,
are they for restaurants and bars?

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, I think, you know, for in
our view that's the most logical way to go about it.
And looking at Laura in the price, particularly on the
Tap beverage keys, which as you know, it's primarily there
but increasingly some other tep spirits and tap one. So
but given that they're served primarily on premise, there's I

(12:31):
guess less concern about whether or not that's or I
guess acknowledging that that's going to be supporting the on
premise environment.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
What has been the response from the government Sam with
these I'm sure these discussions have taken place on how
to help boost hospitality, make it an even playing field.
And when you mentioned what they did in the UK,
I'm surprised our government hasn't suggested something similar. But what
are you hearing back from them? Are they looking into
what they can do?

Speaker 5 (13:00):
I think their focus at the moment is primarily on
driving visitation to New Zealand and that sort of tourism
and hospitality space, and then also looking at some of
the other small business compliance stuff so that the appetite
or certainly what we're what we've heard is that though
there's a little bit more sensitivity around looking alcohol specific measures,

(13:22):
but they're looking to support us for in other ways.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's quite a complex thing, isn't it, Because you would,
you know, just on just you know, running my head
across something like why why isn't the tax imposed point
of point of sale? But it does get pretty complex,
isn't it, Because you can get someone that's buying an
rt D in a bottle out of a you know,
out of the fridge, and that's going up against someone,

(13:46):
you know, the bartender pouring drinks, you know, poor pooring
drinks with mixers. So is it just too complicated to
change it to a point of sale taxing situation?

Speaker 5 (13:56):
There is a differentiation depending on the percentage as well,
so I think that that's part of the challenge. So yeah,
I mean, I think thinking about where where the consumption occurs.
I'm sure, I'm sure that there's ways that the ID
or customs could look at that, but I don't know
if the eptites there really right.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
And how's hospital going in New Zealand at the moment?
Are we bouncing back yet?

Speaker 7 (14:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (14:23):
I think we're really positive about the direction of travel.
We've just had our two day conference in Wellington and
I guess the key message there is the headlines are
looking I tend to focus on the negative, but you know,
there's more venues opening every week. There's more venues opening
now than there was last year, So you know, numbers

(14:44):
are looking up and we're continuing to see that sort
of passion for the industries. So we're positive about the
direction of travel. It's not to say that it's not
hard right now. Obviously we're in winter and people don't
go out as much and all that sort of stuff,
But you know, on the whole, really positive about the
direction of travel.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
And finally, before you go, when we talk about the
good of hospitality restaurants and bars in New Zealand, how
far that spread out? So you've got the people that
are working there, but does it does it spread out
notably into you know the construction sect, you know the
shop fitting? How much does hospitality pump in this New
Zealand economy across across all its avenues?

Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yeah, I mean, I mean we if you're kind of
looking at there's the direct impacts I guess is what
you're talking about also around the indurrect stuff, So the
supplies that we're purchasing from the economic impact that that
all that sort of stuff can have, so so I
guess you know there's a there's a pretty large footprint
that Hospitality has and across New Zealand and where we're

(15:49):
able to be part of the community and support jobs
and job creation and all of the good stuff that
I guess people know I love about Hospitality.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Sam, great to chat, Thank you very much for coming on.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
That is Sam mcinnon, head of Communications at Hospitality in
New Zealand. So what do you say eight hundred eighty
ten eighty do we need to balance the field a
little bit when it comes to the price of alcohol
off license you liquor stores, supermarkets versus the bars, restaurants
and pubs.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Out of bare minimum. I think the lowering the XOS tax,
I mean I would support removing it completely if it's
going to bars and restaurants. If you want to move
that dial away from the eighty four percent being consumed
from off licensesn't at home, and I would say remove
it completely. I don't imagine anyone would get that across
the mark, but we should do something in my opinion,

(16:39):
and a very simple thing to do would be just
to lower the XOS tax on kegs because you know
that's going to be served in responsible establishments. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Love your thoughts on this one. It's twenty
four past one.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
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Speaker 2 (16:59):
Then is called Laughs Funny and Jimmy carras whethers do
you ever stop working?

Speaker 10 (17:03):
I mean, look, this is shows.

Speaker 11 (17:05):
There'll be people listening to this with proper jobs in
a shift. There'll be people digging ditches with some headphones
in going. Oh he stands up? Does he stands up
for two hours a night and tells jokes?

Speaker 6 (17:15):
Oh? Is there a go fund me?

Speaker 11 (17:17):
Can we help this tall preacher? It's like my issue
with life is work is more fun than fun. Like
if I have a night off, what am I doing?
I'm finn home, I don't come out and.

Speaker 12 (17:25):
Do a show.

Speaker 11 (17:25):
It's such a joyful thing, and so much of it
is kind of interactive. It's joyful, So I work as
much as I possibly can.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic Asking Breakfast with
Baby's Real Estate News Talk ZIBB. The interview with Jimmy
Carr on on Breakfast this Morning was so good. Yeah, God,
he's a great man. It's like a good blokey doesn't.
They absolutely recommend his book. So he's a comedian, he's
a shocking comedian from time to time. But his book
is very very thoughtful and philosophical. Yeah, what's his book called?

(17:53):
But there was a great life. There was a great
interview with Mike.

Speaker 7 (17:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
I saw him on a podcast where he got pretty
deep about his life and his relationship with his parents.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
And he's an incredibly layered individual.

Speaker 7 (18:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
The book Before and After Laughter, Yeah, four and After Laughter, Budkay,
it's kind a deep and philosophical book.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, very smart man and very very funny and looking
forward to him coming here. But we are talking about
alcohol and the prices of alcohol when you shop at
your liquor store, your supermarket versus going to buy a
bear at the pub at the moment, the tax that's
put on it, it's blanket across the board. There's no difference.
So publicans are arguing, and actually they get in support
from some police officers as well, that that should change.

(18:32):
It should the cost of booze in a bar, restaurant, cafe,
whatever on license should be reduced and the off license
your liquor store should be increased to try and encourage
people to get back to the bars.

Speaker 6 (18:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Police and hospitality groups argue off license alcohol is just
proportionately linked to harmful drinking, especially in holmes An. Eighty
four percent of the boos sold is sold off license
in supermarkets and bottle stores. We don't want that. We want,
in my opinion, we want it to be four percent,
which is at least fifty to fifty because of the

(19:07):
good that hospital Look, it's pretty simple, see Shane, make
alcohol and food cheaper in pubs and restaurants, people will
start going out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's incredibly
complicated how it's text at the moment, But Sam, welcome
to the show. Hi you man, very good God. The
same time, Yeah, I.

Speaker 13 (19:28):
Just wanted to contribute to the conversation. I totally agree
with bringing the pricing down when it comes to how
much it costs to buy a drink in a bar
or any venus these days. I've been in hospitality my
whole life, run several establishments here and you're doing and overseas,
and I find one of the biggest situation is how

(19:50):
much it cost to get somewhere and get home as
the reason why a lot of people will drink at home.
For example, I live in Papamoa, and if I want
to go out to the mount with the girls and
have a good time, it can cost me one hundred
dollars to get there and back.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, just for the night.

Speaker 13 (20:09):
And that's another issue with we just to have the
infrastructure of being able to get home.

Speaker 14 (20:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:16):
Chiefly do you think so much money?

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Do you think, Sam, if the balance was moved away
from off licenses towards bars, then they would be more
likely to have great bars and restaurants in your area,
if you see what I mean right now, Because you know,
eighty four percent of it is drunk at home, and
that leaves you know, a mere sixteen percent out in
the community that there are less bars and restaurants for

(20:40):
people like you to go do with your friends.

Speaker 9 (20:43):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 13 (20:44):
And because it's the cost and running a bar or
in any both venue is really high and it's really
hard to pay profit in the these days, and there's
just got enough people going out to them. But then
there's another part of that. So many people these days
they're having kids in their mid thirty so there's not
young kids, and there's not very many places that you

(21:06):
can take your kids that are going to keep it
ertain so that you could have a few drinks with
your friends and dinner and then taxi home or over home.
Not very many child friendly places.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah, yeah, either, and that's why we go to each
other's houses.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, it's a good point about the family, the family
friendly environment. But getting you know, getting to and from
that's always priced into a night and that's easy to
forget about it until you're getting ready for a night out.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
And you're quite right.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I mean, for me just getting in and out of
the city, if I'm having a few drinks, that's seventy
bucks already without even without even buying a drink.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, so seventy bucks.

Speaker 13 (21:42):
And you put that into your cost factor when you're
going out, you're like, oh, gosh, I'm already going to
send the seventy eighty dollars already. Yes, I can probably
only spend the other fifty sixty dollars. It's a lot
of money just for one night out to have a
few drinks.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, well, thank you for your call, Sam. It is
a lot better in big cities with Ubert though. Now, yeah,
I mean it's reasonably cheap. But yeah, I mean I
think it's fantastic the idea of people going around barbecues
in their back guard and having a few drinks. Absolutely,
So I wouldn't personally, and this might be controversial, I'm
not saying increase the excise tax on off licenses, which

(22:18):
is opposed to what the police police are saying. I
would say leave that the same and just lower it
on on the alcohol that goes into bars and restaurants,
so the bars and restaurants can employ people, build stuff,
and you know, you've got these responsible places where people
are looked after when they're there. So I like a
balance to move away from it. But yeah, absolutely, I

(22:40):
totally see what Sam's saying there that you know, if
you've got young kids, it's you know, it's harder to
go out, and nothing wrong with them finding people around
your house. Yeah, but I do agree with you.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I mean, that price for transport that's already priced in,
and I suppose my point poorly made was I'd far
prefer to spend more of that money in the actual
bars and restaurants. But because I'm already spending seventy dollars
getting to and from home. That's money I'm not spending
in the bars. But if it's a lot cheaper to
buy drinks, than clearly I am going to be spending
more money in supporting those hospitality venues.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, here we go this Texas guys. He wants more
people in restaurants and bars right now. Times are tough.
I pay twenty three dollars for twelve beers which will
last a week. If I go to a bar, it's
ten dollars a bottle. Well, you got a cheaper bars
than Ida, that's his answer there, one hundred and twenty
three dollars a box. Well, that's what we're saying. We're
saying that it's it's unfairly weighted towards buying alcohol offline systems,

(23:34):
off licenses and supermarkets compared to bars and restaurants that
do more good in the community.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Exactly, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
of coal headlines coming up.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's twenty seven to two.

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Now back to Matteth and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Thank you very much. Ray Lean.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
So we're talking about the price of alcohol at offline
versus on licenses off licenses, stores, your supermarkets, on licenses, bars,
restaurants and cafes, et cetera. There has been a growing
call for off licensed premises to have an increase in
the price of alcohol and bars and restaurants take the
text off completely.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
That is your Yeah. No one else is calling for that,
only I'm calling for that.

Speaker 7 (25:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Someone says, I agree with Matt, but don't get behind
a wheel. Absolutely, one hundred percent. Yeah, I mean that
is Hi, guys, are the damage done? The damage done
would change as many of those drinking out would be
tempted to drive home. Thanks Brett. I'm not tempted to
drive home when I'm drinking out. I think, I mean,
I think we're getting the message through not to drink drive,
an't we? I mean, yeah, absolutely slam people that drink

(25:49):
drive and to get home. Absolutely, ye, absolutely, But I
think people going out and look, the thing is that
people aren't always going out to get hammered. People go
to a restaurant and have a glass of wine. Yeah, right,
and that should I just don't think that. Eighty four
My point is eighty four percent of it is drunk

(26:10):
off off licenses, right, we want people drinking I personally
want people drinking at bars because it hires people, and
there's that brings community together. There's a lot of great things,
and it's a much safer place and nearly all the
damage from alcohol happens from people drinking at home. This
person says, if the XIS text was removed to make

(26:31):
it an equal playing field for off licenses in HOSPO,
I can only imagine higher profits to be made from
HOSPO because they'll mark it up. But if there's higher
profits made by HOSPO, then they invest more, they hire more,
and that's a good thing. Right now, they're just holding
on a lot of people complaining about how much alcohol
is out. That's because it's so expensive to run a
venue with staff, with rent, security, with the fact that

(26:56):
you have to be open seven days a week. But
people are only going out on a Friday and Saturday.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
They've got more regulations. They quite often need to have
kitchen stuff. I mean, there's a myriad of reasons, but
those are reasons why it is primarily a safer place
to drink alcohol.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Right Yeah, Sam, welcome to the show. This is a
different Sam, I assume, thank you for having me. It
sounds like a different, Sam here, how are Yeah, definitely
your thoughts on that same I'm.

Speaker 16 (27:20):
Quite passionate about the subject actually, and I'd like to
speak speak how I feel about it.

Speaker 8 (27:28):
I feel like if we.

Speaker 16 (27:29):
Want to reduce the bulham in Auckland, we've got to
look at where the real risk starts. That's not your
local bar or like music venue. It is the liquor store.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
Right now, we.

Speaker 16 (27:40):
Walk into a bottle shop and pick up a high
strength bottle of spirits or a box.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
Of artds, but next to nothing and.

Speaker 16 (27:48):
That drives the culture of drinking, drinking heavily at home
where there are no limits, no supervision and no support
if something goes wrong. If you go to a venue,
it's a completely different story. The security at the door,
trains bar stuff at the bar, cleaners on site to
manage the hygiene so you don't need to clean up
your with you know, often live music and entertainment which

(28:12):
brings people together in a safe and social environment. I
mean it's no brainer. WHI should be directing people to
license venues where they have the safety and security and
they're built for holding people in a space.

Speaker 8 (28:28):
Where people are drinking.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Do you think it's unfair? Sam? That when people talk
about the harm from alcohol, they lump it all in together.
So eighty four percent, as I keep saying, is brought
and off licenses, and you know it's sixteen percent bought
at bars and restaurants, but that is all lumped together,
is one big thing. And as you say, Sam, one
part of drinking has a you know, not always but

(28:52):
has a community side to it and a positive side
to it, and one side, I mean the other side
does as well. But it's a very different experience, isn't it.
So do you think it's fair that they're all lumped
together in stats and the way we view it?

Speaker 9 (29:08):
Not fair?

Speaker 8 (29:09):
They're too completely different things.

Speaker 6 (29:11):
Ooka.

Speaker 16 (29:11):
I just live in Melbourne over in Australia, Victoria, and
they have got that alcohol pricing right. They discounted for
on licenses and off licenses. It's heavily packed and it
basically puts the weight on the drink. So if you're
at home, your drinking your hand that you've bought from

(29:32):
the off license, it's going to cost equivalent to kind
of what you would pay on an on license. So
there's no incentive to smash the drinks because they're quite
expensive to be frank and it's not like in New
Zealand where it averages to be about three dollars for
a bear.

Speaker 8 (29:51):
There's no value on it here.

Speaker 16 (29:53):
That's where I think Albin's drinking culture stems from, is
it's so cheap to drink at home.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
And I wonder if people would you know, there's a
lot of talk about pre loading from young people before
they go to bars because alcohol's expense and you know,
you're definitely not supposed to be in a bar if
you esteemed there were laws around that. Yes, but preloading
is a big thing, and that I think preloading is
primarily a price thing, isn't it Sam.

Speaker 16 (30:21):
It's one hundred you know, like if you say in
the average drink is around three dollars at home from
the off license, you know it's equivalent too, but you
can drink fly for the price of a Volka soda
in a bar. It's it's nonsensical like to you know,
if you're if you're a student or you know someone

(30:43):
a bit younger that doesn't make too much money, of
course you're in a preload. It's way too expensive to
drink in a bar, and it drives help in drinking
culture and It's a shame. It's such a shame. Whereas
in Melbourne, growing enough, we didn't have that so much
because how God was expensive.

Speaker 6 (31:03):
So what would we rather do?

Speaker 8 (31:04):
Would rather be at home.

Speaker 16 (31:05):
And a tiny flat and albus drinking in a crowded
house and then the flats just wrecked afterwards and you
know they've got to deal with the aftermath. Or do
we just go to the lovely bar community bar down
the road where there's a DJ playing. You know, there's
staff that look after you.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
You might you might meet, you might meet a lovely lady.

Speaker 7 (31:29):
Sam.

Speaker 8 (31:30):
That's it. That's where all the culture starts.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Or a new friend. Yeah, thank you so much for
your call it This Texas is breaking news. Muppets, supermarkets
and liquor stores employee people and invest in our communities. Yeah,
but I don't know, can you compare just one of
those as the police officer and the story described it,
one of these shittys or aloys. A great quote, wasn't it.

(31:54):
He really laid into old find that you know, uh,
and they do. But can you compare it just one
of those little you know, exactly the kind of bottle
store I'm describing with one person working behind the counter.
And look, bless those people that work behind the counters
in those bottle stores. I mean, that's one of the
most terrifying jobs in New Zealand, do isn't it?

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, it is, I mean certainly they Yeah, they are
targeted by a lot of criminals.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
And look, Andrew, I appreciate your text, but I reckon
the supermarket's going to be right. I reckon they'd be right.
They'll do just fine.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Thank you very much, right keeno on your views on this.
One hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
It's and before Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee texted through.
I read out his text, but I didn't. I didn't
name check him as Lee say his name. It's all
he wants. No, Lee's a good man, so certainly his
apologies for not name checking your text when I read
it out before Lee Lee Le Le Le Le Lee.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk, sa'd.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Be thirteen to two. Hey, so I said at the
start of the show that I'm not a misogynist, despite
an email that was sent to me. But it was
confusing between some phone calls that came into our show
and what I actually said.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yeah, you defended yourself, well, I thought, but then I've
done a terrible thing.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, because I was just talking about Lee before the break,
and I assumed Lee was a male, mainly because I
know a couple of Lees that a male. But still
I should never assume. So I apologize to Lee. I'm
a god, I am a female. Wow, but my nickname
is Lee Gee.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
So has she forgiven you? I think she's forgiven you.
Lee's a good person, She's.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
That's that's terrible. I shouldn't have assumed. No, No, just
because I know a couple of Lees that are male
that they're all lizer.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, but if you apologize, all sins are forgiven. So,
and I'm sure Lee doesn't mind.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
So, Lee, thanks for your fantastic text. We appreciate We
love you. Lee, John, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 17 (33:46):
Goody goes here?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Are you very good?

Speaker 17 (33:50):
You definitely guaring it to the bars, you know, paying
three of dollars for a store and lager versus, so
you pay four of them, it's forty eight dollars and
you can get a dozen, you know, for the same price.
It just goes to say, you, you know, oh Joe's
causing you know, I'll stay at home or drink those.
But I'm definitely a preloader. I preload and I'll go

(34:14):
into the bars.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Fl call was a little bit cheaper than bars, John
would would you would you go to the bar to
start off your evening?

Speaker 9 (34:26):
Jeez?

Speaker 17 (34:27):
It's even a tough one. Hell cheaper?

Speaker 7 (34:28):
Would it had to be?

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Ado?

Speaker 7 (34:32):
Well?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
I think, well, I mean it's always going to be
more expensive a bar because they have to hire people
to serve, they have to pay their rent, the heating,
the entertainment, the security, so you're you're always going to
be it's always going to be more expensive.

Speaker 17 (34:45):
But they already know this. But you know here, you know,
so you're getting eight beers basically for free, and that
bar for them to sell them, offered a higher rate.
What if for the heaving in me? You know, there's
a lot of bars. You have the pokes in there,
so they've got all the poking machines to getting a
big cut head of it. They've got the little these

(35:09):
don't have dirty perkys dirty perky, you know, and they've
got a little bit of food on the other side.
But I see a lot of these bars absolutely packed,
and then they close them more than I just don't
know why they closed them. Why are they making a
killing because I reckon a lot of people pre load
and they only have a bit, two or three drinks

(35:29):
when they got.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, I think you right, John, thanks for you cool.
Well this Sextus says, oh, sorry, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
I'm just got to say on the price, because I
was trying to work it out. Workingmen's clubs and sports clubs,
for example, do they pay excised tax on the booths
they serve And I'm still trying to find out that information,
but effectively they do, But they're allowed to buy their
alcohol from the likes of supermarkets and liquor stores, right,
And because you're a member of that club, then they
are under different rules, so they pay less tax than

(35:55):
the likes of your businesses. So that would be for me,
the price is right because if you go into a
workingmen's club and get a beer for eight bucks, sometimes
a jug for ten, that is a more realistic pricing.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Could do that. Yeah, I would argue a lot more
people be going to hostpon on supporting Tyler. They don't
let radio DJs into working men's clubs because what you do,
I'm sorry to inform you, doesn't really work.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Okay, Yeah, I'm saying in the past because they ripped
up my membership after what I did last time, and
I'm really sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Keshmi Club, but yeah, fantastic club. This is such a
ridiculous idea, says this text. You can't tell me making
drinks cheaper in town on a Friday and Saturday night
is going to reduce alcohol harm. It just moves it
to a different location. Higher tax on off purchases punishes
everyone who drinks responsibly at home, not just the ones
that causes harm. The idea that increasing tax lowers problems

(36:43):
is wrong. Look at the tobacco industry as an example,
where people are still smoking and now there is a
huge black market for cigarettes with crime at the high,
at all time high. Let's just make liquor stores even
more of a target. Yeah, I mean, I get what
you're saying. I mean my view of it is that
that they shouldn't increase the X size on off licenses.

(37:03):
I think they should just massively decrease it on for
restaurants and bars. And I think a good way to
start would be just on kegs because that's an easy
way to do it. Kick beer because it's only going
to restaurants on bars, right.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, because their analogy under tobacco, right is that if
there was a bar that you could buy cheaper cigarettes legally,
then more people would go and buy those cigarettes there.
So that would be a more appt analogy on what
that text was trying to say. We're not talking about
prohibition here.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, and I'm no fan of tax I agree with
you taxing more. I'm absolutely no fan, but you would
have to say that people are smoking less than they
were when I was a kid. Yeah, I mean, I
was just talking on the show the other day. I
saw two cars in a row with people smoking in them,
and I hadn't seen that. I had seen that for
a very long time. But I also would push back
on this text.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
Up.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
This is recause you can't tell me drinks are cheaper
in town, It just moves to a different location. Well,
the police would disagree, because police argue off license alcohol
is disproportionately linked to harmful drinking, especially in homes, so
the police think it's better if people are drinking in
restaurants and bars than at home.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is eight to two.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News Dogs. That'd be.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
It is five to two and we've had a great
discussion about the price of alcohol at our hospitality venues
versus the price of off license You look at store
of supermarkets.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, and look, I think the best way to run
a good start for this if you want to move
the drinking from eighty four percent from off licenses more
towards hospitality, as the police and hospitality groups argue off
license alcohols disproportionately link to harmful drinking. And I think
a good place to start is with the keigs because
kegs go into bars. So if you lower the excise

(38:50):
tax on kegs, then you will help just that little
percentage more money that bars can make will keep them
open and maybe help them open other bars because the
levers on bars. People complain about how much it costs
of drink at bars, but it is so expensive to
run a bar. You've got the rent, you've got security,
you've got everyone you have to employ in there. It's

(39:12):
not easy, stressful, veryan ateresty.

Speaker 14 (39:15):
Just go.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
You've just got to look at Ozzie to see how
much better it is. Bars and pubs are busy there,
and bears are crazy expensive to buy to take home.
Make it cheaper in the bars and it will help
the industry. Very nice, well said text. I agree with you.

Speaker 7 (39:28):
Now.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
We were talking before about this comment from the police
officer Ian Paulan.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
He is part of the New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Police Alcohol Alcohol Harm Group, and he said, here's the quote,
and it's a good one. Now, I would say that
a lot of the harm comes from your pack and saves.
Whereabouts the pack and saves are in our community is
a huge amount are from our cheap, shitty standalone bottle stores,
independently owned, tiny, wee cranky places that are weird. Where
are they in our communities and our vulnerable community?

Speaker 2 (39:55):
So that was the quote. Yeah, well, I'll tell you
what though, I have a lot of empathy for those
people that have to work in those shitty little off licenses.
That's dangerous work. You have to deal with a lot
of a holes. You certainly some of them violent.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yeah, that has been a great discussion, Thank you very much.
Right coming up after the news, we want to have
a chat about why so many people are moving from
the North Island to the South Island. We'll give you
the numbers very shortly, but keen to hear from you
if you've done it. A one hundred and eighty ten
eighties the number to call new Sport and Weather coming.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Up talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 18 (40:37):
It be.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
News Talks. It'd be welcome back into the program. Hope
you having a great Thursday. We certainly are, and this
is going to be a great topic over the next
fifteen minutes or so.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, it's an interesting topic because we're talking about the
huge amounts of people that are leaving the North and
moving to the South. Whereas you and I Tyler, we're
both people that have moved from the South to the North.
Me from from the beautiful, pretty city of Dunedin and
you from Chatcha, Yes, and both fantastic cities.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
But to give you the numbers over the last five years,
this is between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty three released
by Stats New Zealand this morning, eighty six thousand people
shifted from the north to the south. The bulk of
that came from Auckland. Fifty thousand people left Auckland in
that time period and christ Church picked up the bulk
of those people. Forty three thousand moved to christ Church.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
That's a decent sized town moving from one island to
the other, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (41:33):
It is?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
But it is.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
I mean I heard Mike Costkin go on about christ
Church again this morning. When I say go on, I
actually love when he talks about christ Church because he's
been long saying that he'd dearly loved to move to
the city, and Kater's beautiful wife has Sometimes I.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Think nearly everyone in broadcasting is from christ Church. Yeah,
everywhere you look, everywhere you walk around and talk to people,
they're all from christ or from the South Islands.

Speaker 7 (41:54):
Man.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
You Darcy water Grave, he's a cantab. Mike Coskin, of course,
Marcus Lush, he's down there in Bluff.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Wow, he's gone the other way, isn't he he? Yeah,
that's right, he's all up here and he's gone all
the way the bluff. Yeah, So if you have made
the move, love to hear from you on oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. What was it that made you
look to go down south? And if you have made
the move to Christich, what are you loving about it?
Is it a slower pace of live? Yeah? Look, I
love the South, but you have to be hardcore to

(42:22):
live down there. You can't be a soft, squidgy North
Islander trying to make it through a window. You know, Tyler,
Look how hot and sweater you got up here, And
that's the reverse of it. It was so you were
calibrated completely to the Canterbury and climate, and you've just
been so horribly sweaty and stinky the whole time you've
been up here. Because the commidity is such an auckland

(42:43):
that a South Islander will sweat. But if you flip
that around, a North Islander in the South Island struggles.
I mean, I was born in the South Cheese roll
in my mouth, as I say, and I can handle
it and I love the cold, but I don't know
if North Islanders can. So I always ask when someone
moves to my beautiful hometown of Dunedin, I go talk

(43:04):
to me after the after winter, talk to me after
a full a targo winter, go have a trial period.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
In June and then come back and have a check
to me and see how you go. Yeah, because the
other thing that people forget when they move down south
and the furthest south you go, the harder it gets,
but daylight hours gets drastically reduced. That you've got to
get used to. If you want to do anything after
four o'clock and Dunedin, then you've got to have a
head lamp on you.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
And summer though, oh when I was a kid growing up,
boy boy, we'd play late in summer. You'd be out
till ninet thirty.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, you know that is the flip side. Absolutely, Yeah,
you're still having a barbecue at ten o'clock at night.
But love to hear from you on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty What made you move south?

Speaker 2 (43:45):
If you've made the Cane's coming hot, guys, the North
Island has cooked a lot more crime and it's just
full of a holes, says Cane. Wow, yeah, come hot.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
There's a few good inns, few Gooden's up here looking
around and if you are considering making the move, also
love to hear from you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
And if you went down there and thought, actually it's
too boring down here.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
There's not much going on. It is a slow pace
of life and that's not for me. And I want
to go back to a big city where there is
a lot more action and more things happening and more
sports events. Then are really keen to have a chat
with you as well, nine to nine two if you
want to send a text message, but the number, oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Your home of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Very good afternoon to you. Thirteen past two.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
And we're talking about figures out that a lot more
North Islanders deciding to move south. Recent figures out from
Stats New Zealand show eighty three thousand, eighty six rather
on thousand people shifted from the North Island to the
South between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty three, big numbers.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
The Sexy says, I moved south to Needen last year.
The cold is no problem. It's the lack of hot
summer that's hard. Yeah, But in donedan. You get those
thirty degree days where the asphalt runs, it's Dunedin gets
holder than Auckland. Yeah it does, one, okay does. The
problem is that you'll get a thirty degree day and
the next day it will be twelve. Yeah. The cold,

(45:13):
there's no promise. The lack of a hot summer. That's hard.
I don't regret it. The city is way prettier, not
to mention the amazing surrounding nature, and easier to get
around than Auckland. As a student. Couldn't recommend Dunedin.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
More no traffic, but I'm going to say, I mean
the cold and Dunedin is just a step up above
christ Church obviously, but all those hills and the ice
that is I mean, I could never get my head
around that.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Welcome to show, Karen, oh Hi, Yeah, so I'm all
over the show.

Speaker 9 (45:41):
But basically I moved from Auckland to christ Chooch after
the lockdown. So it was one of those COVID refugees
after the first lockdown finished. Smart Yeah, to get a
get away from Auckland. So I missed that long a
couple of months.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Lockdown necessary lockdown.

Speaker 9 (46:01):
Yeah, So anyway, I've moved to christ Church, and I've
lived in christ Church before the and during the quakes.
Then I came back to Auckland and yeah, after COVID,
moved back to christ Church again, and yeah it was great.
It's just it's just so relaxing, Like you know, in Auckland,
even if you're just sitting in your apartment or house,

(46:22):
you can feel the buzz and the energy and the
streets that, oh my god, you you go out, you've
gotta get stuck in traffic. And but yes, there's a
lot more to do in Auckland, but in Christchurch there's
always this th real relaxing, you know that if you're
a head out at any time of the day, you know,
compared to Auckland, it's a lot more relaxing and it's

(46:44):
just so stress free and you just feel like you're
in a big regional town. And when it comes to
weather wise, I prefer the christ Church winters because you
get more sun, you get you know, you get the
crofts and you get beautiful days. And I absolutely would
rather have that than Wellington and Auckland winters, where you

(47:07):
know you don't see the sun for weeks.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
You know, oh well, I don't know that's about harsh.
Don't see the sun for weeks in Auckland. But what
what you do? So and do see? And Tyler's finding
this out. You do see a lot of precipitation, a
lot of rain. May be warmer, but you get wetter
up here. Absolutely. But you know, you say, I mean sorry, you.

Speaker 9 (47:27):
Go yeah, no, no, no, no, just you know the weatherwise,
I don't know. And then the pastor and I've lived
in Auckland June July. At the end of July, it
used to get so depressing that you you know, don't
see enough sun. And I just thought, no, I'm going
to get out of the country. It's like go, go,
you know, book a flight to Bali or whatever. But

(47:48):
then christ Church, I don't get that. You know, yes,
it's colder, but you go out and you get the sun.
Even if it's five degrees it's nice and sunny and
you know, you can still go out and be in
the sun and it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
You do get some bad winters sunrise and christ Church, Karen,
but I think when it's rainy, you know it's going
to be rainy for a good three days solid, and
then you and then you're home and host and then
you're going to get some sun. And when it's sunny,
you know you've got a straight run. The thing about
Auckland that I'm studying to get used to, but it's hard,
is that if it's beautifully sunny in the morning and
it's not too bad right now, but I'm looking out

(48:22):
the window and I see blue sky, but I know
in about two hours, maybe even less, there's a good
chance it's going to be absolutely bucketing down again.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Well that's what they say. If you don't like the
weather in Auckland, just wait five minutes. Yeah, and that's
a nice thing to about it sometimes as well. Okay,
just just just before we let you go. There's so
much to do, you see. You see there's list to
do in christ Church. I think there's so much to do.
Whenever I go down there, there's there's a new bar open,
a new restaurant and a new facility opening. I feel

(48:52):
like christ Church hast got a lot going on.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
Yes, I agree.

Speaker 9 (48:57):
I mean, so it's a great city. It's it's evolved,
you know, beautifully, and it's I mean, i'd still say
it's the best city to live in New Zealand at
the moment. But I mean, as you know, I mean
you probably can pick up on an immigrant. So in
terms of you know, being an immigrant, like you know,
I come from an Indian background. This is a plug
in for Auckland.

Speaker 16 (49:16):
You know.

Speaker 9 (49:17):
And then whenever I come back to Auckland, you know,
just going to Sandringham or you know, Mount Roskill or wherever.
You know. At the moment, I'm hanging out a lot
of blackouts day and it's just amazing, you know, the
kind of food that you get here, and it's obviously
much more diverse, and you know, the Auckland's off off.
Auckland's got something to offer that no other city in

(49:39):
New Zealand can offer. Yeah, you know in those tombs
of you know things. So you know, you don't have
a Sandringham in Wellington or christ Church or Dunedin.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
Or you know wherever.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, so Sandraingham is where you get. You know, there's
so many great restaurants in Sandraham. It's all trade off.
So that wasn't it. It is? Yeah, you get to
get get good with the bad and the bad with
the good.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
There's no doubt about it though. Auckland the food capital
of New Zealand. And it has been for some time
phenomenal up here in terms of the options. OH eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you have moved from the North Island to
the out Island. Why how are you finding it? And
if you've gone the other way, love to hear from
you as well.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
Well.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
This Texas, says christ Church. Weather is crap, Tyler is
full of I'm not going to say that. I can
I can say that we're kind of wet. We can
say that, yeah, shit, this person's moving back to Akland. Okay,
so then you're gonna come come, come back in.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
It is nineteen past two, but will take more of
your phone calls very shortly. And we do have someone
who was in Canterbury and they decided it wasn't from
them and they've moved to the North Islands.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah for to teny to them. Not many ski fields
in Auckland. That's a good point, Ben.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty on news talk zby very.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Good afternoon, and we are talking about the numbers of
people moving from the North Island to the South Island
eighty six thousand.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
According to the latest figures just released. Yeah, having just
moved back to Akland from fifteen years abroad, mailing in
the uk Auckland winter is a piece of piss. I
only need to wear long pants by choice rather than
than requirement. I will take the rain over a week
of frosts that don't clear. S is Dan. Now a
lot of people are texting through that are from my

(51:17):
hometown of Denedan saying, yeah, the only reason why you
can't hit a winter because you don't have enough marino.
That's true. As my dad used to say to me
when I'd asked to turn the heaters up, He'd say,
put another jersey on, get another layer on, Yeah, get
another layer on, Just get another layer on and shut up. Ah, Philip,
welcome to show.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
Good.

Speaker 12 (51:37):
How are you going?

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Very good? So did you you move the other direction? Philip?

Speaker 7 (51:43):
Yeah, we know.

Speaker 12 (51:44):
We came down from the Bay of plenty two and
a half years ago.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Oh, I'm sorry I've read that wrong. Yes, yep, I
got cha.

Speaker 7 (51:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (51:52):
No, we were meant to be on that first pory
that broke down, but we managed to get across and
we lived in a motel and christ Church for six
weeks while we're rundering where to live. I did have
some family down here on my father's They showed us
around and and we've ended up buying a place in

(52:14):
Pegasus and we're loving it all right.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
So Pegasus. Pegasus is a new development, isn't it. It's
got a lot of building happening in Peters.

Speaker 12 (52:23):
I think it started quite a while ago, but I
understand after the Crakes that's already gone ahead here. But
it's awesome. But the old you know, we came down
into our son and daughter in law and the grandkids.
We're living in Kayapoi and the old adages. You probably
shouldn't follow them around the world. But because they've got
up and moved to France because she's French, right, So

(52:46):
we're still still down here on our own, but we
enjoy it and wonderful place.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
It looks like a good lifestyle on Pegasus.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
That you're a little bit out of christ Well, when
I say a little bit, it's probably about twenty five
minutes out of the city, right, and then you've got
what's the big development just passed the roundabout, So you've got.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
A new world there you got, you've got a Bunnies.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
It's just popped up kind of in the middle of nowhere,
but that's obviously the service, you guys.

Speaker 12 (53:11):
The Bunnings hasn't started yet, but that's what I understand.
Going up. There's a there's a Harvey normOn that's opened
up that wasn't there when we arrived. There was there
was a New World, the BP and McDonald's, and now
there's a gal there's there's a whole lot of restaurants,
a tooth whitening outfit, and it's it's so, you know,

(53:34):
twenty five minutes to the airport, thirty minutes of the
city center, pretty good, and it's wonderful down here.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
We do stuff, can you?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Can you do a bunch of stuff in the lake?
Is it that you? You can't do stuff in the lake.

Speaker 12 (53:50):
As they used to initially, but it gets that old
algae bloom and stopped all that, and lots of people
talking about it. Pretty close you see remote control of
yachts and that sort of thing, but.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Pretty close to the beach. And you've got you've got
a pretty nice golf course as well. Do you see
Richard Hadley around there anymore?

Speaker 12 (54:08):
Yeah. In fact, he's moved house and he's on the
same street that we are, so he's only.

Speaker 19 (54:13):
Up the road now and then good neighbors joined life.

Speaker 12 (54:18):
Yeah, but it seems to be a popular place and
so you everyone that comes down and visits.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Just love it.

Speaker 12 (54:24):
It's so easy to get around and it's all new
to us.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
So you'd never moved back. You're happy with you, You're
happy with you South and you never go back.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yeah, well think if you cool, So well, there we go. Pegasus.
I love the name Pegasus and beach. Yeah, I mean
it's a good, good spot.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
It and living next door to Sir Richard Hadley, you
know he's got some benefits.

Speaker 7 (54:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah, Peter, imagine Sir Richard Hedley a war situation. But
let's not get into that. Well in the show, Peter.

Speaker 10 (54:58):
Yeah, thanks very much. That is hope, and I put
my foot in my mouth. But this morning on my show,
there was an ambassador for christ Church.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I can't remember her name, Elie Adams, I think it was.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (55:09):
One of the points that she made is forty six
percent for fifty thousand people that were moving approximately to
christ Church were under twenty four They were between educational
ages students, So these are people that are going there
either in temporary This is forty six percent of that number, guys.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Is that what she said? I'm just reading the article
here and I did hear that.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Primarily it's a lot of younger people, which is fantastic
for the city, they were her words, and it is
fantastic for christ Church.

Speaker 10 (55:32):
But she she made forty six percent of the number
that we're talking about of that educational age. They weren't
just maybe there were families brand kids there.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Maybe, yeah, Well were just looking at this, looking at
these stats here though, there are a lot of young
families moving down here, so there are students from the
mix back? Does it?

Speaker 11 (55:51):
So?

Speaker 10 (55:51):
Really what we're talking about as a number of actual families,
income people, working people that are going down there, and
maybe half that number because the rest of them are
their children.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Yeah, and you and what's your point, what's your point?

Speaker 10 (56:04):
There's a relativity, Well, there's a relativity about that. As
the numbers when you talk and your listeners are looking,
fifty thousand orphantors have gone down there, or really about
twenty five thousand families possibly have moved down there. The
rest of them will be either students that are flatting
or they've gone down with family, So the number is
actually less than an actual main cores of income people

(56:24):
homeowners that are going down there.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean it's still an interesting figure.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
I mean, yeah, I'll get your point, Peter, But from
a stat's point of view, then you'd look at the
population of Auckland and say, well, you know, there's only
seven hundred and fifty thousand adults here because you remove
the kids side of things. But I get what you're saying.
You know, there's a lot of younger people moving down there.
But that is strange in itself, right, is young people
primarily would have looked at christ Church and say it's boring,
there's no nightlife. What am I going to do as

(56:51):
a twenty year old?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
What's the population of christ Church? As a population of
christ Churach can increasing? Yeah, it is. I believe it's
around about why to christ Church five hundred thousand. Yeah, right,
But also, I mean it is an interesting you know,
Peter brings up their point, but it is interesting how
popular Christitch University's coming as well. Yeah, because that used
to be kind of the dung destination. It used to

(57:15):
be the one that you know. It was like, oh,
you're going to christ Church?

Speaker 6 (57:17):
Really?

Speaker 7 (57:17):
Why?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Yeah, terrible you get you'll get cowered, punched by skinhead.
That used to be that's the way people used to
look at christ Sitch. Now it's now it's the glamour
spot to go to. Yeah yeah, which annoys me because
I think people should go to a target university.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty If your
children have decided on Canterbury University, love to hear from
you about why they decided on on Canterbury. Over at Tago,
it is twenty eight past two headlines with railing coming up.

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(58:52):
to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Thank you very much, Raylan.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
So we're talking about a story from Stat's New Zealand
and it has been spoken about at length. It was
on Mike Costkin Show and other a. Kiri mentioned it
as well, and we're getting right into it. It's called
moving Southwolrth Islanders are upping sticks and droves and leaving
the North Island to the South Islands.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
And Peter rang before and said it's not really a
subject at all, and it's not actually happening, and statistics
are confusing. It can be funny and you know, when
you look at when you drill down it to it,
there are interesting but you've got to say that christ Church.
So I'm just looking at the population growth in christ Church.
And so obviously there was something that happened in two
thousand and eleven yep anda, but that the population from

(59:38):
twenty twelve it was three hundred and seventy eight thousand.
It's now four hundred and ten thousand. So the population
of christ Church has gone up quite considerably. There's some
people moving there. And look, just looking at the text machine,
we're getting dozens and dozens and dozens of texts from
people that are saying they've moved from Auckland to christ Church.
So whilst Peter points out it might not be quite

(59:58):
as big a thing as it's been in this article,
it's definitely still.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
A thing, absolutely, But fifty thousand people are still fifty
thousand people. Does it really matter if that includes children?
I mean that's still fifty kids. Are people too, Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Boys, I know of twenty four Auklanders coming to christ
Church for a piece of property.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Yeah, all right, well that will be a big thing
for a lot of people. Is the price is riting
christ Church? When you look at housing, you can get
a far cheaper home comparable to what you pay up
here in Auckland, and that I think for young families
is a big part of it, if they can get
a good job to boot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I believe I'm listening to your channel. That's an interesting
way to start a text. We believe you're listening to
We believe in you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Texter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
I don't believe you're listening. I just think it's a
huge coincidence that your text is on the right topic.
I believe I'm listening to your channel. I am a
union student from Wellington and I know that two years
ago when packing what you need to go to christ
Church was that you need to go to everyone wanted
to go there. Most people wanted to leave home and
be independent. Also there my school had a lot of
engineering students in christ Church as where you go for engineering.

(01:01:02):
Yeah yeah, I mean I definitely, but I definitely have
seen a change in christ Church become a glamor destination
of the students to go to. It used to be
and also used to go there because you just thought
that because because the course you wanted to do there,
you can get in there or whatever. Yeah, but now people.
It's the destination people want to go to for university. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you've made the move from north to south.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Can you hear from you, Josh? You just moved from
Hamilton to christ it's three weeks ago.

Speaker 20 (01:01:33):
Hells, Yes, I did with my two young children and
my wife, and we've actually bought our Alkland celeries so
we're both working remotely and we live in a house
that is probably beyond what we would have ever dreamed
of having lived in an Auckland. And I was listening
to your last caller. He said that he moved to
or he lives in Pegatus. That's where we are too,

(01:01:53):
and it is it's incredible. It really is a beautiful
like part of New Zealand. It's a dream, it's a dream.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
What's what's the population of Pegasus?

Speaker 20 (01:02:04):
I have no clue, but it's not many. At the
real estate agent with the who sold us the house
of the ex principle at the school and everyone that
I know that that works here, as you know, they're
all connected. Everyone seems to know each other. So it's
a completely different vibe to where we used to live
from memory.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
And I might get this wrong, but when the development
was first floated, I believe it was approximately five hundred homes,
so it's probably around sort of five thousand, six thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
That looks because it's just looking at it now. It
was as four thousand, one hundred and seventy in June
twenty twenty four. But they're looking the population is expected
to balloon to six thousand people in the next few years.
So here's a text that I want to read out
to you if you don't mind there. Josh, guys just
looked at Pegasus and it's a controlled living space, rules, unregulated,

(01:02:52):
undrigister's cars, lawn lengths not for me, Craig, is that true?

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
What the stesus is?

Speaker 7 (01:02:58):
I don't see.

Speaker 20 (01:02:59):
That was part of the reason that druety you can't
have pitballs, you can't have well. But the reality of that,
the reality of that is that they don't that is
what it used to be. Apparently they don't actually enforce
any of that. So yeah, you have to have like
your grass cut to a certain lengths and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
On certain days that was it was a big thing
with the covenants with the previous developer was very.

Speaker 20 (01:03:20):
Controversial and coming from Hamilton, that kind of appealed to
us because we were like, well, you know, we lived
next to a place that used to breed footballs and
that you know, couldn't walk out ficture school, so it
kind of appeals. But yeah, the reality is that that's
that it's not true, Like I mean, it's written on paper,
but it's not enforced. So we've we've been plenty of
of you know, places that are living outside of those covenants.

(01:03:44):
But it's perfinitely fine and kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
What's the community vibe? Do you get to know your neighbors?
Is there that element to it?

Speaker 20 (01:03:53):
Pegasus, Oh, it's crazy, so that the first day we
were down here, it was like, I don't know, and
I guess this doesn't appeal to a lot of people,
but being a young family, it was perfect for us.
It was like, you know where you watch American movies
and they live in suburbia. You moved to Mayport. All
the neighbors come out and knocking your door and produce themselves.
Everyone did that of course, like everyone come over. We

(01:04:14):
had a young girl who looks down the street who
just kind of invited her stuff over and we're playing
with our two girls on the first day we were here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Where where are we?

Speaker 20 (01:04:22):
It really is physical, you know, I guess it's it
wouldn't appeal that much to you know, maybe teenagers or
young professional couple, but for a young family, I couldn't.
I couldn't dream of a bit of place.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Could they clean out the lakes so you can actually
go swimming in it and such?

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:04:40):
So when we first got here, which like I think
we've been here just over a months now, When we
first got here, yeah, the lake had the algae apparently.
I saw a commune message saying that it's cleared up now.
They meant to have used to have the swimming comps
and all sorts of stuff on the lake. I know
that that's all kind of stopped now.

Speaker 7 (01:05:01):
They've got the.

Speaker 20 (01:05:01):
Remote control you know, the old fellows out there with
their remote control boats. But I don't know, I don't
see anyone using like as when. So we'll see what
happens this summer with you know, none of the signs
are up about the the old you might, I don't
see them about. So we'll see if people start using
it again.

Speaker 7 (01:05:16):
It'll be awesome if they do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
But the beaches yeah, and Josh, finally, so the temperature
isn't a problem for you.

Speaker 20 (01:05:27):
Well that the house is a bit done here, you know,
the boots for snow, the bolts for the and they're
all feeling feeling new, like we live in stage eleven
of the biggestest development.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
So that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
It sounds like some kind of sci fi special settlement.

Speaker 21 (01:05:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:05:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:05:50):
Everyone just gets around on a winged horses, you know,
salutes each other, it comes and introduces themselves.

Speaker 7 (01:05:56):
Are very strange.

Speaker 20 (01:05:57):
But yeah, no, so it is a phenomenal place. And
you're talking about the development over in Ravens would you're
pretty much going to have everything you need on your
doorstep and then you walk to the beach and you're
looking at snow ketum.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Yeah, brilliant. What want you're selling it? Jo cheers Josh.
The twenty four Aucklanders are the Blues. The property they
want is the super Rugby shield. I get it now,
we're with you, thanks, Dave. I totally messed up your
text before, so I read at the text I thought
they were trying to buy property, but no, Matt. The

(01:06:29):
twenty four Aucklanders heading to christ Church are the Blues.
The property they want is the Super Rugby Shield. Yeah,
very well, I'll tell you what. Crusaders fans don't want
to hear this, But you know, a record like thirty
and oh, it's there to be broken. I can't last,
l I can't last for hon Come on, Blues, this game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Oh eight hundred if you want to respond to that,
can damn by e one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
But also if you've made the move from the North
Island to the South Island, why and how's it going?

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
And look if I butcher your text like I did Todave,
then you know, make sure you inform me. Yeah, just
keep texting three. He'll get it right. Eventually. I can
barely read twenty to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Have a chat with the lads, Mad Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons news talk'd be afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
It is eighteen to three, mother, ego, this has descended
into abuse now that I said that the Crusaders thirty
and O's at rescue. No one thought the Blues could
beat the Chiefs, and then what happened. Ain's got to happen. Yeah,
I mean, strangely, the Chiefs are still going through an
anomaly of a system in Super rugby where it's somehow
they've managed to make the finals incredibly confusing. But the

(01:07:37):
Crusaders and the Blues, there's a lot of pressure keeping
your record up, a lot of pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
There's a lot of sensitivity around there. To be honest, man,
you know, Blues have no chance. Too cold for them
telling me he's dreaming that you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
They've got the boxes packed at the stadium. They're moving out,
you know, mate, Yeah, there you go, boy. Yes, a
lot of abuse. Hey, so Pegasus, there's a lot of
pushback on Piggus. Piggisus sounds a lot like the Truman Show. Accurate.
At what stage does Pleasantville turn into fall out humanity
in Bunkers. The write up on Pegasus says no strange

(01:08:08):
sounds or smells all out. Yeah, I could see that.
I mean it is look biggest, This is a strange place.
Is it a keys in the ball situation? I think
they have a few fond new parties from time to time,
but because it's a bit of swinging and not just
the Gulf Mike, welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (01:08:26):
Hey, how's it going boys?

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Very good?

Speaker 17 (01:08:29):
Awesome, awesome, A good chat about moving down. Just keep
it on the QT though, don't let everybody come down here.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
It's too good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Yeah, And we're about to you are you in christ
Future a little bit further south.

Speaker 17 (01:08:43):
Now we're in Queenstown.

Speaker 14 (01:08:44):
Mate.

Speaker 17 (01:08:44):
We lived down here about two years ago.

Speaker 7 (01:08:48):
My daughter.

Speaker 17 (01:08:48):
My daughter had decided she'd be quite good at ski racing,
so we made the move and packed up a little
U haul and you know, dragged it all down the
island and set up here. And I was here about
two weeks and I basically said to my partner and
wever leaving. It's just phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Yeah, I mean, Queenstown is a stunningly beautiful place.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Is it starting to get a little bit crazy now
that you know the last one was down there?

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
I love it a little bit crazy? Yeah, it's so.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Busy, it's so the traffic in Queenstown blew my mind.
How how mental that was from Frankdin to the to
the township. Is does that starting to get to the locals?

Speaker 17 (01:09:27):
Yeah, it's a tight kind of I mean there's a
whole bit. You know, there's a lot of work going
on at the sink of the underbout at the moment.
But we've just had the submissions put in for the
gondola that'll take us from town. That would be through
the back of Arthur's Point to Late Hays.

Speaker 6 (01:09:43):
That would be to stand out to the airport.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
That would be amazing. What are the chances that are happening, Mike,
do do you think that's realistic?

Speaker 17 (01:09:51):
Doude? They reckon it's going to happen by twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
We're only talking about three years and.

Speaker 6 (01:09:54):
It's going to be up and running.

Speaker 17 (01:09:55):
I mean the ultimately it'll connect up to Coronet Station
Road and there's one rod drury Zo one up to Coronet.
It'll be a straight shot straight to the top of
the remarks.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
So would where would it leave from in downtown Queenstown?
Would it leave from downtown Queenstown and head over to
I'm just trying to work out at this point Arthur's Point.

Speaker 17 (01:10:17):
Right and then across to Coronet and then across Dale
Field to Lake Haste.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Wow, that would that that I hope that happens. That'll
be that'll be crazy. That'll be that'll I mean make
queens down even and even more incredible.

Speaker 17 (01:10:33):
It's going to be wicked. But I mean everything down
here is just so much easier, calmer, relaxed, you know,
people just chill. It's just South Islanders, you know, they
just it's funny. You know people think when you think
that everybody's out as the bomba. The bottom line is
everybody ouse as the bombay the bomb base. Doesn't even

(01:10:54):
think about you. We're all too busy just doing their
own stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
It's brilliant, yeah, and what you can do, you know,
I know this get set again and again with the
South Island. But the the adventure side of things, you know,
the mountain biking, the ski yean surfing's a little bit
harder and Queenstown at the moment, but you know, those
aspects very easy to get to and a lot of
appeal for people in the North Island.

Speaker 7 (01:11:18):
Very much so.

Speaker 17 (01:11:19):
And like, you know, everything's different, like even setling, Like
people have got no qualms about jumping in a car
and driving five hours to queens to christ Church for
the date. You know, the idea of moving around the
North Island seems to be like art, whereas here you
just get on and do it. Yeah, and you get
these beautiful drives like Queenstown to cross Church. It has

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got to be one of the one of the most
beautiful drives in the world up through the mckens would
come to It's just stunny.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Absolutely, yeah, Mike, thank you very much for giving us
a buzz. You live in paradise, but enjoying chat again soon.

Speaker 7 (01:11:56):
See.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
I'm just trying to work at where this gondola would go,
this new gondler because good to hear, Rob Jury has
got sense to me that it would go to Arthur's Point,
I mean jack Point, because someone can someone ring up
and tell me one hundred and eighty ten eighty or
nine two nine two, because because it makes sense for
it to go out to Franklin, out to the airport.

(01:12:19):
But and then yeah, anyway, let's work it out there. Yeh,
we'll find some more elation if you're evolved. I love
a gondola. Yeah, the Barcelona gondola. Didn't they have an
accident recently? Many people? Can you fit in there? We
need gondlers everywhere we do get rid of trains. Yeah,
imagine if you know we spent six billion dollars on
this city, this city, city rail Link and Awkland. We

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should have just put up gondolas everywhere. Oh imagine that.
What about a horizontal bungee to the airport for younger people.
I'd take it, I'd use it absolutely. Now you're thinking
Queenstown is a place to be, we've moved back after
twenty five years. Really go into Queenstown, live it Hanley's farm.
It's amazing. Blessings that's from Ann.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
I mean, if you're lucky enough to live in Queenstown,
that is a phenomenal paradise. It's not one of those
situations where you're moving from the North Island or Auckland
and then getting much change on your house sale. Yeah,
you know you're going like for like or more. Yeah,
probably spot on new Mia. Have I seen that?

Speaker 7 (01:13:18):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
This great name. Nice to chat with you.

Speaker 7 (01:13:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
So you you with the other way?

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Did you you you lived in Dunedin and decided you
wanted a little bit more warmed in your life.

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
Yeah, well not warmed.

Speaker 22 (01:13:35):
I got used to the weather in Canadian but mainly
you know, looking for more opportunities for the family, right
we lived there more whale and you haven't got you know,
moving forward as.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
You know, Yeah it should be. And how you find
in Auckland. Has it been all that you hoped for?
Did you find opportunities up here as it worked out?

Speaker 7 (01:13:59):
Yes?

Speaker 22 (01:14:00):
Yes, quite a few in some areas. In some areas,
we move up here because of business opportunity. And yeah,
when we arrived here in twenty eighteen, we we found
out that the competition's a a bit expensive. But we
suspected that and put the plan on hold and went

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back to work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
And what do you do for a job? Numaya?

Speaker 7 (01:14:30):
Right now, I'm.

Speaker 22 (01:14:31):
Self employed running a small food business. But yeah, after
COVID I become self employed again. But before that, I
was working in the construction.

Speaker 7 (01:14:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
I mean, look, it is that's a big poll for
a lot of people in the South traditionally, is that
the opportunities were up here in Auckland. And that's what
got me up here, that's what got you up here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Yeah, that's why I left Unedan because I wanted to
be involved in film and television and there was a
lot more of it happening in Auckland than there was
down in Dunedin. Yeah, both had made too many animations.
It was basically run out of town. Okay, So our
plans for Queenstown Gondola. Thank you to this texta that's
sent through these plans, our plans. Who was that, Mike? Yeah,
our plans for Queenstown Gondola could be submitted to Council

(01:15:20):
later this year, with the first stage opening in late
twenty twenty eight. How cool Southern Infrastructure and Dopplemine, New
Zealand designing a Queenstown cable car could transport up to
three thousand passengers per hour per direction. Stage one would
connect downtown Queenstown to Frankton Queenstown Airport, with cabins departing
every twelve seconds on the fully electric, zero emissions service.

(01:15:41):
Construction could begin in twenty early twenty twenty seven. Fantastic.
So that is that would be so cool? That would
be amazing. So cool you fly into Queenstown and then
you jump on a gondola and it will take you
right into town two years away. I mean, that's not
pie in the sky, is it? That sounds like it.
It's got real potential, but all kinds of muppets be

(01:16:03):
complaining about it, like the McDonald's and Monica. While people
can play about what the gondola.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Looks like on the skyline, please Queenstown just say yes
to the gondola will be amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Queenstown and the wide es Central Tiger is one big
retirement home for snobby Twats says this Texter. Wow, thank
you very much for that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Right, we've better play some messages and then we'll come
back with a few more calls.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Texas has Queenstown as a poopole. Okay, thank you very much.
Keep your feedback coming. Eight to three.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Be it is six two three. This text here doesn't
believe us about the gondolas in Queenstown twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
By twenty twenty seven, Earth AI will join the Galactic
Federation of Sentient Ai and be advised to keep us
as pets. Yeah maybe, yeah, yeah, maybe I beck us
to get in the gondolad done before then, Darryl, you
move from Auckland Nstown.

Speaker 23 (01:17:07):
Yeah, Hi guys, Yeah, we moved about a year and
a half ago and wouldn't look back to be honest,
absolutely love it, love the scheme. Really got into mountain biking, hiking. Yeah,
it's everything about it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:19):
We love.

Speaker 23 (01:17:20):
It's an amazing place to live.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
You don't feel like the mountains are closing.

Speaker 7 (01:17:25):
In on you? No, definitely not.

Speaker 23 (01:17:28):
But I do love the mountains.

Speaker 6 (01:17:29):
But you know, we left Auckland.

Speaker 23 (01:17:30):
I was spending an hour and a half each way
to work every day, so fifteen hours a week traveling, muteing,
and it was killing us.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
If you don't mind me asking was if you did
you sell up your property in Auckland, and if so,
was it a comp comparatible purchase down in Queenstown.

Speaker 23 (01:17:49):
Yeah, we did sell a relatively expensive property in Auckland.
We saved a bit of money going to a smaller
property in Queenstown.

Speaker 8 (01:17:55):
But we still spend quite a.

Speaker 23 (01:17:57):
Bit of time in Auckland anyway for work, so we're
back and forth a lot. We kind of have the
best of both worlds because we don't have to, you know, deal.

Speaker 8 (01:18:04):
With living in Auckland.

Speaker 23 (01:18:06):
Pain rates in Auckland, but we get to live in
Queenstown permanently.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
So that's great, fantastic and why we've only got about
forty seconds. But why Queenstown over say the likes of christ.

Speaker 23 (01:18:15):
Juche don't know, really, I mean, I do like it
because it's a smaller place, and yet people complain about
the traffic, But the reality is a lot of the
time that traffic from Franktin. You know, from the airport
through to Franklin it's about a four minute delay. Yeah,
it doesn't seem like you should have any delay in Queenstown,
but the reality is there are a lot of people,

(01:18:35):
there's a lot of tourists, and you just have to.

Speaker 6 (01:18:37):
Get on with it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Excited about that you started about the gondola. You think
that'll happen down.

Speaker 6 (01:18:41):
Yeah, yeah, it's going to be great.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Yeah, I'm excited about that.

Speaker 7 (01:18:44):
Great.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Thank you so much for you call, Darrel, will have
to let you go. Good call to finish.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Thank you very much to everyone who gave us a
buzz pigass of all places.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Very popular. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well if the text machine
is any to go by, a lot of people moving south.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Exactly right, coming up after three o'clock. Who is the
greatest musical genius of all time?

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
This is a classic text lads. The Auklanders can stay
right where they are. We don't want them down here exactly.
You just cover it up, class itself. That's dude.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Matt and Taylor two agree.

Speaker 9 (01:19:33):
I did not love.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
There.

Speaker 22 (01:19:41):
You'll never.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Use talks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
It'd be that is the beach boys, of course, and
that is what we're loosely talking about Brian Wilson, sadly,
the founder of the nineteen sixties band The Beach.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Boy, passed away at the age of eighty two. Yeah,
what version of this? What's this version of the song?
I haven't heard this version before, so, you know, God
only knows. Fantastic song good Bye Grations another one he wrote,
wouldn't it be nice? Stiffs Up? Don't worry Baby? What
a great song that is the whole world love and mercy.
He wrote some fantastic songs. Obviously, had his struggles with

(01:20:21):
mental illness and he became a recluse for a while,
and he was, you know this, he was sort of
used by anyway, Let's not get into that he was.
He was sort of locked up and used and abused,
and he passed away at eighty two. But one of
the great musical geniuses of you know, the last hundred years.
Innovative as well, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
I mean he was arguably and you know a lot
more about Bob Brian Wilson than I do, but but
dogged in his vision with how we saw a particular
song shaping up right. Good vibrations isrationally.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Used, absolutely so The Beach Boys is an interesting thing
because you know, the family harmonies were fantastic, but that
Beach Boy's image. They weren't really Beach Boys. That was
just a name that was given to them to try
and sell records. And in the background you had a
Wilson who was just a genius writing writing the songs
and Pet Sounds, Oh my god, what a fantastic album

(01:21:14):
Pet Sounds is, And that was just he wasn't on
tour anymore, he wasn't really in the band. He was
just running it from from behind the scenes and kind
of working like a composer, like a classical composer. But
that Pet Sounds album is just phenomenal. That the way
it sounds, the attention to detail, it's just great song

(01:21:35):
after great song. Wouldn't be nice, that's not me. I'm
waiting for the day Sloop John B obviously a cover
you still believe in me, don't talk, Let's go away
for a while. God only knows. It's just such a
fantastic album. So he's definitely in the conversation as one
of the geniuses of music. But what do you think
hundred eighty ten eighty who is the absolute musical genius

(01:21:59):
and are we going to include yeah, yeah, yeah, Ludwigs,
Oh you have to, I have to, yeah, yeah, bathe
Ovens in there, the booties. Yeah yeah, you're going to
go back then? Yeah, okay, I mean I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Put lot paid Oven absolute genius and Mozart of course,
but I don't know if I put them in the
top ten.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Just not my vibe.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Other people may Are you going to say who you
think is the biggest musical genius of all time?

Speaker 11 (01:22:28):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Or shall we wait?

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
Bark?

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Yeah, yeah, he's up there, he's certainly up there. I
don't know. No, Look, I want to look sure. If
you want to go full classical on it, be my
guest on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. But when you're
talking about Brian Wilson, I think it has to be
from that sixties era forward.

Speaker 13 (01:22:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Yeah, we're not bloody taking it all the back to Traikowski,
aren't we? Do we really want to bring Chopin into it? No,
not Chopart, No chopping.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Nah, they can stay out of the nowhere near bait Oven,
nowhere near bait Oven. But I we one hundred and
eighty ten, I'm going to say one slightly before the
Beach Boys, but I certainly think he's in the mix.
Ray Charles, and I know that will be controversial, but
an incredible musician, incredible brain, and a genius when it
came to the music side of things. But he had

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a lot of help behind the scenes, right that there
were a lot of people helping Ray Charles write those songs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
And hell of a performer, hell of a performer. It's
interesting because a lot of people are texting Michael Jackson through,
but they also Quincy Jones, and I would say there's
no Michael Jackson without Quincy Jones. Yeah, because often the
Michael Jackson he would just be humming a bassline and
then Quincy Jones would have to work out how it's
going to be played.

Speaker 19 (01:23:45):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
So he wrote Billy Jean just by coming down stairs
to the studio Michael Jackson and going boom doom doom, doom, doom, doom,
doom doom doom in Quincy. Yeah, that does sound like
a good bassline. We'll make that song. But also, you
can be a genius performance because I'd say performer because
Elvis didn't write his songs, but he was absolute genius
and the way he presented those songs, and the way

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he organized his live shows and the organized his performance.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
A sex appeal, which was controversial at the time. All right,
let's get into it. The phones have led up old
eight hundred eighty ten eighty Who is the biggest musical
genius of all time?

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Love to hear from you? It is twelve past three.
Tim Rocksboro has joined the chat. Barry Gibb.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Fourteen past three. Who is the greatest musical genius of
all time? We've asked the question because sadly, Brian Wilson,
the founder and create a force behind the Beach Boys,
passed away at the age of eighty two.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
And sadly no one's saying Wilson.

Speaker 7 (01:24:37):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Someone here saying Wilson, Yeah, Wilson, McCartney, Stevie Wonder, little
Richard Andy. Who's the greatest musical genius according to you?

Speaker 6 (01:24:46):
Oh look, I'm a guitar player.

Speaker 7 (01:24:49):
I'm myself.

Speaker 18 (01:24:51):
You'd have to be pretty hard to go past Jimmy
Page or Jimmy Hendrix.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Yeah Hendrix.

Speaker 7 (01:24:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
I was trying to learn how to play a little
wing recently. That is a very, very difficult to play
like Jimmy. You can't get anywhere near it?

Speaker 7 (01:25:04):
Can you? It's bloody easy.

Speaker 6 (01:25:06):
What are you on about?

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
You got your guitar near by? Endy easy for you, and.

Speaker 18 (01:25:13):
I'm driving at the moment. But yeah, I do my
own version of Voodoo Child, and yeah, all sorts of stuff.
So you actually opened up the groove, Matt, And.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Generally I think that's my problem is to stuff I
can't just I can't get the voodoo. The voodoo doesn't
run through.

Speaker 18 (01:25:31):
The guy came up with some amazing ways to play chords,
finger tapping for guitaring and drinking things. Yeah, different tuning
on guitars that we've never heard of.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
And never seen some Yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 7 (01:25:46):
I love.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
One of the greatest stories ever was when Sergeant Peppers
came out and that night Jimmy Hendrix was playing and
he immediately had the cover of Sergeant Peppers and the
Beatles went along and just heard it and went, wow,
that's a very cool version. Just instantly he was there
to cover. How you mentioned Stevie Wonder as well, that.

Speaker 18 (01:26:04):
Stevie Wonder what a genius old videos. Yeah, he must
be about nineteen to twenty years old. Guy's blind, Yeah,
but he can play the keyboard. The saxophone, the harmonica, sing. Yeah,
I mean, and the guy's been round and relevant since

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he first.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Came on the same Can you imagine coming up with
a riff as cool as superstition? Just exactly just imagine
if you just did you come up with that riff
and then when the drums first come in with that,
it's just so incredibly funky.

Speaker 18 (01:26:42):
And then you hear a lot of his tunes and
influences and the likes of and we know that Chilli
Peppers have done covers of his song.

Speaker 6 (01:26:49):
Yeah, but there's a.

Speaker 18 (01:26:50):
Little bits of Stevie Wonder out there and lots of
different types of music.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Yeah, absolutely, he was. He was no doubt, absolute genius.
Think if you call any oh yeah, just liten is
so good, isn't it? Imagine be able to sing and
play that complicated riff at the same time like he can. Toby,

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your genius.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
Is did I guys?

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
How are we very good?

Speaker 7 (01:27:22):
That's good?

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
That's good my genius. I think as a Kelly at
the moment, like you look beyond the point that he
person on a couple of people, He's got some bloody
god bang. It's like I believe I can fly as
one of my favorite ones, The World's Greatest absolute chunk.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
I find I struggle to get past the that that
little thing about R Kelly. Yeah, I just struggle to
just get past that. But you know, I believe I
can fly before we knew what he was up to. Sorry, Yes,
it's good. So and and Toby raises a very interesting question,
doesn't he can you know, can you get past the
the the does it matter? Can you get part the

(01:27:59):
artist from a piece of art stand on its own?

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Or is it always tied to the behavior of the person.
And I think that's what Toby was trying to get
across when he rang up to say that. I think
he was too. Yeah, and that song was a big
part of Toby was ringing up to share the deeper
philosophical nature of R. Kelly's art versus his terrible, terrible
evil behavior crimes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Yeah, but that song was a big part of Space Jam,
which was a great movie. Michael Jordan fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Jealous, Welcome to the show, Hi go.

Speaker 19 (01:28:30):
I think long Longe ever is a big factor in greatness.
You know, It's like a tennis player. Yep, they keep winning,
keep playing at a high level for a long time.
I think that makes him one of the great And
so when you apply that to music, I've got five
on the top tier, and then you've got lower tiers

(01:28:53):
as well. But my top five Brian Wilson, Bob Dylan,
Stevie Wonder, the Beatles, and Bert backerac.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Oh, Burt Becker absolutely yeah, yeah, I mean Burt Becker,
you know, writing for songs for so many different people,
but so so clear it's a Bert Backerack song. Just
an absolute genius. Yeah. I mean, I mean, because you
can have people that come along and they have one
good album. They're their first album, they build up to
it for a few years and they released an album
it's great, but the second, the third album songs over

(01:29:23):
a long period of time. That's absolutely when, you know.
And that's why I questioned where the kirk Obains are
genius because he had one really good album. I mean,
I like that. I liked Bleach. They had one really
good album and then he had the next one and
then he was gone. But it was his quality was
falling off a cliff aft to never mind if you
ask ask me. Yeah, so yeah, one hundred percent agree, Dallas.
And you've got to say Stevie wonder in terms of longevity.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
It's a good point though, because if you come in
and you do something different and innovative and something nobody's
ever seen before, that Nirvana arguably arguably did, but didn't
back it up with longevity, Like you know, Brian Wilson,
Bob Dylan, all of those names you listed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
There, Dallas, I think that's spot on.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
You've got to be in it for the long haul
and be consistent and bring new things to the table
over a long period.

Speaker 6 (01:30:07):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:30:07):
Yeah, they all those have done that, haven't they.

Speaker 19 (01:30:10):
Yeah, Yeah, they've doctored and brought new things to the table.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Thank you so much for your call, Dallas.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Plenty of texts coming through, but we we're going to
play some messages and we've got full boards at the
moment as well, So if you can't get through, keep trying.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Who is the greatest
musical genius of all time?

Speaker 6 (01:30:33):
In your view?

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
A controversial call for Limp Biscuit to be in the
In the conversation, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
Roll and roll and roll and roll, Matt Heathan Tyler
Adams afternoons call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on
News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Very good afternoon to your twenty three past three. We're
talking about the greatest musical genius of all time. Sadly,
Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys crewt of Force and
genius behind that band passed away at the age of
eighty two.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
This is some of the suggesting John Williams. You've got
to say, John and Williams has got to be up there.
So many great themes, you know, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Superman,
e T Harry Potter.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
Well, I mean yeah, if you mentioned composers. Hans Zimmer
has had an incredibly successful career as a movie composer,
Lord of the Rings. He's worked with Oh gosh, I'm
going to forget his name now. Oh man, it will
come back to me. It's on the top of my tongue.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Jaws theme. Absolutely, you go, oh, you gotta put them
in the Home Alone. I don't really know the home
alone thing. Good movie though. He came up with the
close Close Encounters of the Third Time Man Allan, Welcome
to the show, You reckon. McCartney's a genius.

Speaker 24 (01:31:54):
Well, you've really opened up Canon Williams haven't. We're hoping
you could really split it, like you could have okay
songwriting duo's or producers only or people that perform their
own songs sort of thing. But I'd say Lennon, sorry,
McCartney would be in the top two, if not number one,

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because of his longevity, but also that he's written so
many songs for other artists and he came out of
a group and forged a solo career. And up there
you've got to put Dylan for the same reason, and
probably Verry Gibb because all three of them have been

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songwriters for other people that were you are well renowned
in Barbar Streisen, Celean, Dion and so on.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
With you can you can absolutely tell when it's when
it's a Gibb song, like a Woman of Love or
Islands in a Stream.

Speaker 24 (01:32:53):
They're just but I mean they are harmonies. The Beach's
harmonies knocked the Beach Boys out of the park. They
were far and away superior.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
When you when you go when you go back to
Paul McCartney, do you think he was writing his songs
were when he was butting heads with John Lennon. I
mean they wrote separately, but then they'd come together and
bash out the songs. Do you think that competition between
them made them better.

Speaker 24 (01:33:17):
Because I think their last album probably, although it was
really a compilation for the album at the end. I mean,
some of the best songs were on that, but Sergeant
Pepper was probably the big change up for them, and
that competed pretty I mean, some people argue that it
competed directly with good Vibrations, you know, but you've.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Got to say band songs like Band on the Run,
Jet and Live and Let Die and a lot of
those Paul McCartney wing songs were absolutely brilliant songs.

Speaker 6 (01:33:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:33:47):
But then you see you can add songwriters in there
as well. Neil Diamond, oh yeah, who wrote you know,
he was Tim Panelli writer, and Carol King and you
know Burke Backracks being mentioned, Prince Princes.

Speaker 7 (01:34:06):
For other people too, you know.

Speaker 24 (01:34:08):
And then you get into rock, you know, Page and
Plant and Water and Gilmore, you know, and that's silly, Belk,
And you've really got to think of a top ten
collaboratively as being the best as opposed to an individual life.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
It's very good ones, yeah, but does the.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Likes of Brian Wilson and you mentioned a couple of
other solo people there, but does he get credit for
operating by himself where McCartney and Lennon arguably were.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
You know, their partnership was part of the genius behind them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
And yes, Paul McCartney went on to have a very
successful solo career, but the Beatles was those two together.

Speaker 24 (01:34:46):
Yeah yeah, I mean you've already got to look at
I mean he's talking about the songs and you know, individually,
so really, yeah, I don't know the stats. You'd have
to really, someone will crunch the numbers and come out
and say there will be one that wrote the most songs,
that did the best for the most people. But really,

(01:35:09):
you know, my influencers were probably all of those people.
And then you've got and behind you've got Andrew Lord
Web and Tim Rice you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Yeah, yeah, well that's a great thing as well as
composers and lyricists as well when they come to you.

Speaker 24 (01:35:24):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, there's so many, you know, there's really
not really one all and I was lucky enough. The
longer you live, I mean you can check. I suppose
you could put Willy Nelson in there, and you know, yeah,
guys that have been performing for seventy years.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
The redd Stranger. Now, I was lucky enough fell into
interview Paul McCartney once, and it was incredible the whole
time when I was interviewing, and I was going screaming
in my head as I'm talking to a Beatle, I'm
talking to the Beatles. So it was really hard for
me to get over that noise in my head to
ask some questions. But I said to him, I told
him that my favorite song he'd ever written was No
More Lonely Nights, because it is. And he was shocked

(01:36:01):
by that because he was like, well, no one ever
says that, but he's just written so many, so many
great songs that you would just forget. No More Lonely
Light Nights in the mix of it was completely.

Speaker 24 (01:36:12):
You know that song, silly love songs. Yeah, there was
a kind of a movement, I guess among the music
industry against you know, soppy yeah songs. Yeah, and so
he wrote that as a as a taking the mac
and it went to number one.

Speaker 8 (01:36:29):
Yeah, he made it.

Speaker 24 (01:36:30):
I mean, so you know what a really good sort
of reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
You know, his only real crime was at their Christmas song,
simply having a wonderful Christmas time, but I understand. He
wrote that he had had a few drinks at dinner
and he went stopped on the studio and the way
home and whipped it up and it's made him tens
of millions of pounds. Hey, thank you so much for
you call Ellen Une very incredible to play. This is

(01:36:58):
your favorite Paul McCartney composition, But I love it, beautiful,
absolute genius.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
Right, we're going to carry this on after the Headlines,
which is coming up, but love to hear your thoughts.
So one hundred and eighteen eighty. Who is the greatest
musical genius of all time?

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
And those that text in Kevin Bloody Wilson. Yeah, he's
in the conversation. He's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
You talk sat the headlines.

Speaker 15 (01:37:27):
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The number of civil servants is down slightly on this
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novelist Pab Adams has been awarded this year's Michael King
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Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
Blues v.

Speaker 15 (01:38:37):
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Matteathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
Thank you very much. Raylan, who is the greatest musical
genius of all time. Brian Wilson, the founder and creative
force behind The Beach Boys, has passed away at eighty two.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Many would say he'd be up there. Yeah, absolute genie,
especially the pet Sounds album. Although my good friend, Graham,
Hell's just text mean, city's overrated, said the all right,
but the Alton John fans are coming out in force
and they're furious. Why aren't you mentioning Elton John, Elton John,
Elton John. What about Elton John? Yeah, Elton John absolute genius.
You got no doubt about it. Alton John's got to

(01:39:14):
be in the conversation the longevity of the man, Melanie
your musical genius.

Speaker 21 (01:39:20):
Neil Finn grown, Yeah, yeah, Well, Paul McCartney was asked,
how does it feel to be the greatest songwriter in
the world. He said, I don't know, asked Neil Finn.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
God, Neil Fin would love that because there's a huge
Beatles fan. What's your favorite Nil Finn composition across Splitdeen's
Crowded House and Solo and such Crowded House.

Speaker 21 (01:39:42):
The album together alone, it had distant sons, but it
also had some great songs like Private Universe Now than
most feats, Harry Caddy Cuddy really, oh yeah, fabulous, fabulous man,
fabulous singer songwriter. See, Elton John was he was half
he was this boy Bernie Taukien and Elton John.

Speaker 6 (01:40:01):
So you know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
That's decent. Genius from Elton John to get. He quickly
realized I can't write lyrics. I'll get a guy to
write the lyrics. I'm great writing songs and they're fantastic together.
I reckon whenever I hear four Seasons in One Day
crowded House song, I'm just blowing away. The composition of
that song, it's just so fantastic. But also solo, she
Will Have Her Way is such a good song from
Neil Phone.

Speaker 21 (01:40:24):
Oh yes, yeah, he's just fab. We should be very proud.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Yeah, we are, and we are.

Speaker 7 (01:40:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Melanie Rose. Yeah, I love what you're going to say.
Who's your genius? David Bowiewie? Yeah, what a great man.

Speaker 6 (01:40:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Do you have a favorite era Rose of David Bowie?

Speaker 7 (01:40:47):
Well, I like them all.

Speaker 17 (01:40:48):
I cannot lie. But because of New Zealand based, I
like China Girl.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, great song and a great album.

Speaker 17 (01:40:59):
Also like oh yeah, that's got me.

Speaker 19 (01:41:03):
Neil Jamond, the carpander.

Speaker 20 (01:41:07):
I can't think of his name, sings the.

Speaker 8 (01:41:10):
Song Me and and Black minute.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
Did you say men and Black?

Speaker 7 (01:41:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
Well you're not thinking Will Smith. No, that's a good
movie Men in Black or google Johnny Cash, Johnny Cash,
I just got I've.

Speaker 17 (01:41:26):
Been thinking about that the whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
I just got the Fulsome Prison album on vinyl. It's fantastic,
it's funny, the eras of you know, David Bowie's a
guy that's had so many different eras. But I just
ordered the Labyrinth soundtrack on vinyl, and I know that's
not a very credible era of David Bowie, but god,
I love that soundtrack. Oh Jump, Magic Jump. That is
a fantastic So I don't care what anyone says an

(01:41:48):
underground what a fantastic Jeene Yeah, even the Yeah, yeah,
so good. Think if you call Rose here, that your
musical genius.

Speaker 25 (01:42:00):
Bruce Springsteen?

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Yeah yeah, what's your favorite Springsteen album?

Speaker 25 (01:42:07):
I think I like all of them. I've got most
of his ups, all the CDs, went to all his
concerts that he had in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Oh yeah, did you go to when he came here recently?
And he did one Night that was Born to Run
and one Night that was Born in the USA? Did
you go to both of those?

Speaker 6 (01:42:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:42:25):
He came out in two thousand and three and went
to Western Springs. Then he came out in twenty and
fourteen and went to christ Church in Auckland and under
both those concepts, and then he came out to in
twenty and seventeen and went to Mount Smart and under
both those concerts.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Oh wow, how good man of the people as well,
wasn't he, Heather? I think he had some really nice
things to say about christ Church. There are because he
was there not long after the earthquakes.

Speaker 25 (01:42:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's right the twenty fourteen and dedicated that
confert He writes all his own songs, and he writes
for other people.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Yeah, he's a genius. Born to Run, Born to Run
as one of the greatest songs ever written. Stinky though stinky,
he's got terrible bo he will be. Yeah, he looks
extent because he gets pretty switty up there. You've been
close enough to the Boss to smell him. I've him. Yeah,
he stinks, He's famously does. But but if you're Bruce Springsteen,
you're allowed to stink. Yeah, you know, you're allowed to
get the pets out and share it all around him.

(01:43:21):
And it's an honor to smell his horrific body home.
It certainly is.

Speaker 7 (01:43:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
Someone's just had to go at me, and quite rightly
because I said it was jump magic jump, Bowie, it's
dance magic.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Yeah, so dance dance, magic dance. But the song is
called magic dance, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
Songs called magic dance. Yeah, but the lyric is jump
magic jump magic Jump.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
You remind me of the babe? What babe, the bebe
with the power what power? The power of voodoo? Who
do you do do?

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Remind me of the bebe? Some of babe? Nice? Yeah,
good song, great, great, great, but definitely not a credible
eraror of David Bowie Andrew. Welcome to the show, your
musical genius.

Speaker 26 (01:44:01):
Oh just quickly, before I get into that, I just
want to say one thing about David Bowie. The only
thing that was more impressive than in songwriter in that
movie was his cod piece.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Absolutely for a kid's movie. There was a lot going
on in the tights, wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Yeah, those three rotating balls. I think he had one
in his we tights there.

Speaker 26 (01:44:19):
Yeah, I think he was storing something. Yeah, yeah, Buckingham
next Fleetwood m Yeah. The Roommate's album is potentially the
greatest album ever written. Yeah, it stacks up today. It's
just such a good album.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Oh yeah, I mean and that those those four songwriters
coming together and you Know, and You've also Got You Got,
You've Got no slouch on the drums as well. But
for those four songwriters to be all performing on one
album and delivering brilliance well couples breaking up and hating
each other and just an absolute blizzard of cocaine in
the max, it's quite quite incredible.

Speaker 26 (01:44:57):
Those days were a definate help I think, yeah, yeah,
through that album of you Know a Breakup is Yeah,
it's sad, but it makes it great.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Oh yeah, I was watching a guitar tutorial on Never
Going Back Again. That is an incredibly difficult song to
play and Lindsay bing people forget what an incredible guitarist
Lindsay Buckingham is and was yeah, yeah, unreal.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
His style, isn't it fingerstyle, which is he's one of
the greatest of all time in it. There's been a
few techs coming through for Pink Floyd.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, you got to be there and
Paul Simon and Simon and Garfunk call you should go
go on line. There's there's this great footage from from
a talk show I don't remember what the name of
the show is, and it's Paul Simon writing still crazy
after all these years and he hasn't written it yet,
and he's showing the talk show host how he's trying
to make it work, and he just realized what an
absolute genius Paul Simon is. Just beyond comprehension that someone

(01:45:55):
could be that, just the way he pieces it together
with little refrains from classical music and his lyrical genius.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
Paul Simon, you giving me goosebumps. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Who is
the greatest music genius of all time? It is nineteen
to four.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
A fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heathan Taylor
Adams Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten
eighty News Talks b it was.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
The greatest musical genius of all time. This is the
question we've asked after, said Lee. Brian Wilson, the creative
forceome founder at the Beach Boys, passed.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Away at the age of eighty two. Oh one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is an over the core. That
was my mic. Yeah, are you experiencing strange technical difficulties
with your ear? Sounding crystal clear?

Speaker 7 (01:46:41):
To me?

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Okay? It something very weird helpening with my headphones gone
in some kind of phasing situation going on anyway. Yeah,
that's not anyone else the problem but my own. Yeah.
So that show I was talking about before is the
Dick Cavit Show. Looked that up on YouTube, Paul Simon.
There's two things. You can see him talking about how
he composed Bridge over Troubled Water, and there's another one
you can see him composing still Crazy after all these

(01:47:04):
years till my favorite song.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
You just played a little bit before A man got
goosebumps listening to it. Ian who Do You Reckon? Is
the biggest musical genius of all time?

Speaker 27 (01:47:14):
Well, I believe that my most famous composer genius of
all times are Frank Zappa.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Ah how many albums did Frank Zappa release?

Speaker 27 (01:47:26):
So I'll probably own about I probably own about twenty,
but I think there's a hell of a lot more
than that. Yeah, cold going back from the late fifties
until he died a few years back.

Speaker 7 (01:47:38):
I think it is.

Speaker 27 (01:47:38):
And I think the family have a massive archive of
music that was unreleased, so there is any more to
be and he played I think he wrote and composed
for the London from of Minic orchestra at one point, Yeah,
played with Stevie Wis bringing guitarist.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
Yeah. He released over one hundred and thirty albums.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
Wow, that is incredible, Zeppa, Yeah, one hundred and thirty albums.
That his next level, wasn't it? Ten eighty is the
number to call?

Speaker 22 (01:48:06):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
Can you get your view on who is the greatest
musical genius of all time? Tim? How are you?

Speaker 7 (01:48:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:48:13):
I'm well, guys and you yeah, very good?

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Who do you reckon?

Speaker 6 (01:48:16):
Yeah? Okay, so mainstream stuff definitely, se Paul McCartney. Yeah,
Albert Hammond, not everyone would probably know, but prolific writer,
never raids in southern California. And another hundred I couldn't
even tell you right now.

Speaker 7 (01:48:35):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
I'm just it wasn't a name I was familiar with.
But I'm just looking at the songs that he's He's
written a lot of.

Speaker 6 (01:48:44):
A lot of hats, a lot of quality stuff. Yeah,
and sistly maybe not so prolific, but I love the
music of all the writing of jeff Lynn.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Yeah, a lot of teaks coming through on jeff Lynn.
Do you know what You've just blind my mind? Because
I'm a big fan of the band of Strokes. Albert
Hammond Jr. Is this is going to sound so stupid,
say this is Albert Hammond's son.

Speaker 6 (01:49:10):
I did not know that that's correct. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
I thought he was just called himself Albert Hammond Jr.
As a sort of stage name. But he is actually
his son. That's that's that's blowing my mind. Thanks of that, Tim.

Speaker 6 (01:49:21):
Yeah, so the old man just leave. He blasted him out.

Speaker 7 (01:49:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
There's been a few texts Tim for Roy Orbison as well,
and I'm just go yeah, and Roy is fantastic. But again,
Albert Hammond helped Roy write a lot of songs.

Speaker 6 (01:49:37):
That's right. And I don't know if I can call
it writing credits. But as an artist, well, I'm very
fond of Marvin Gay. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, who ever
wrote it the way he delivered it with a point.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
I'm pretty sure Marvin Gay wrote his own songs.

Speaker 6 (01:49:55):
I think he wrote a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Yeah, maybe not all of them, but the big ones
I think.

Speaker 6 (01:50:01):
Yeah, it's hard to tell him that Detroit or what
of this and that? Or anyway, Yeah, yeah, something good.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
I think if you a cool term, appreciate it. I've
always assumed that Marvin Gay fine and see whether he
did write them, and speaking of seniors and juniors, that
wasn't as a happier senior junior situation as the Strokes situation. Yes,
of course, Marvin Gaye senior shots. Marvin Gaye didn't. Yeah,

(01:50:29):
that was said into that story, Matthew, welcome the show,
your musical genius. Mark Knopfler.

Speaker 14 (01:50:36):
Yeah, that's straight. You can't be their first two albums.
I've got to say, matt You've got to get them
on vinyl that are brilliant, like the way Mike Wright
and his his guitar rips and oh my god, yeah,
so gooding first two albums, first two albums like I
think Come to the Waterline and Lions.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
And yeah, I've got making movies. I've got making movies
on on vinyl and Brothers and yeah that's older.

Speaker 6 (01:51:05):
That's old.

Speaker 14 (01:51:06):
But you get their first two albums, you will.

Speaker 7 (01:51:08):
Not regret it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
Regret it, I will, yeah, I mean, but you know,
I know this is a this is obviously a huge
head of this, but the Sultan's of Swing is an
If you listen to that song, it is an insanely
complex and brilliant song. Yeah, just there's guitar work in it.
It's just phenomenal. Get your head around how great it is.

Speaker 14 (01:51:29):
Yeah, but yeah, get his first two albums. You won't regret.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
I will make you. I will and I'll report back
to you. Thank you very much. You've got to say
Dave Dobbin is in the mix. Leonard Cohen, Yeah, leon
car absolute genius. I was listening to Hella Luliah just
the other day playing it to my son. What a
fantastic song. Leonard Cohen, just one of the great lyricists
of all time. Mike Patten, Eddie Vedder coming through here,
Roy Orbison, Eddie Van Halen. Yeah, he's huge.

Speaker 3 (01:51:56):
So a few for John Foggetty c CR doesn't his
name doesn't get banded around enough. But he was a
freaking genius. John Foggety could play any instrument under the sun,
and what a voice.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Shame your genius, you boys, very genius as Prince absolutely prince,
absolutely genious.

Speaker 23 (01:52:14):
A songwriter, a musician, lyricrius, he's just amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:52:20):
He was the epitome.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
I think did you get did you see him when
he came and played in New Zealand for the last time?

Speaker 6 (01:52:27):
No, unfortunately I didn't.

Speaker 23 (01:52:28):
But my oldest sister always had a crasher on him
and used to have the big poster of him and
I was made of bike.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
With the Purple Rain album and.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Better than the Love Sexy cover, the Love Sexy cover.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
Yeah, probably wouldn't have allowed that up in a room.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Yeah, I would not know.

Speaker 6 (01:52:47):
He's just just a genius.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
I wouldn't see him and that. On that final tour,
we was just playing. It was just him and the piano,
and it was just so incredible. But the man is
just a crazy, crazy amount of songs, you know. Yeah,
he was when Doves Cry. You know, he wrote nothing
to you, which is you know, I.

Speaker 10 (01:53:03):
Was just going to say, it's not just his his category,
it's all the other categories that he wrote for people
that we.

Speaker 23 (01:53:09):
Love their songs and don't realize that they're written by him.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Yeah, you know, Medic Monday was written by him. Just
huge hits written by Prince. But yeah, absolutely genius.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
In the modern mozart category certainly, friends, I mean absolute
genius and high IQ.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
Yeah, thank you for your call. Appreciate it. Sh Jane.
Shall we go to Welcome to the handle, Here we go, here, Laurie,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:53:36):
There you go, mate, I love your show, Thank you.
I listened to it every day. Hey, listen, Jump Magic
Jump David Bowie is one of my favorite artists, but
Jump Magic Jump was never one of my favorite songs.
I kuld have got a band out of Auckland and
they play that as one of their very few covers

(01:53:58):
do that, and I never liked it.

Speaker 9 (01:54:02):
All of a.

Speaker 7 (01:54:03):
Sudden they revent it only about a month, just a
couple of months ago, and my goodness, why, it's just unbelievable. Honestly,
I could not believe the difference in the song and
how much I liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
So what what gendre did?

Speaker 6 (01:54:16):
They did?

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
They play it and I don't know what.

Speaker 7 (01:54:21):
I don't know what they did. Model Boy is something
of a a little bit of a musical genius. I
reckon Brothers Sister is the band uh out of Auckland.
They're applying for funding at the moment to do some stuff.
But in the tour Japan. There are on the tour

(01:54:41):
in Japan this year, So anyway, listen, have a listen
on Spotify. I don't know that song is technically on Spotify.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
What do they call what they called other Sister brother
We'll find them Okay, thank you for your call. I'm
gonna say I like a bunch of Dave both songs
that aren't very credible. I love Absolute Beginners and and
that's not a song many people bring up, you know
from the soundtrack, Absolutely Beginning, Absolute Beginners. God, that's a
great song.

Speaker 3 (01:55:07):
Absolute Geniu. Right, that's been a great discussion. Thank you
very much to everyone who phoned and called it. So
many texts we couldn't get to all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Us thousands chill, absolute genius, Dave Grohl coming through, Quincy Jones. Absolutely,
we can read all of them. Michael Jackson, Angus Young
thousands for Prince Billy Squire. Here you go, Elliott Smith,
he's great commentator as well. Deja Voodoo Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Well, Darndle,
in no doubt there's eight to four.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
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Speaker 6 (01:55:48):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
We got to keep that musical genius's chat going for ever,
but we've run out of time. So thank you to
all your great New Zealanders for listening to the show.
Thanks so much for all your calls and texts. The
Mett and Tyler Afternoons podcast will be out and about now.
So if you missed our chats on making the world
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am I playing this June June? Good vibrations, Rest and
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Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
Well, wherever you are, whatever you're doing until tomorrow afternoon,
give him a taste of keiwek I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
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