Full Show Podcast: 13 August 2025

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Full Show Podcast number one two for the thirdis of
August twenty twenty five. Fantastic show boy. I took a
lot of abuse at the end, just because I love humanity.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, your life, people.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I took a stand for the future of our species,
and they've got people angry. I've never been called a
moron and a muppet so much in my life. I mean,
I did enjoy that.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I love the abuse laid into the tennis players as well. Yeah,
I think there was agreements.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
They pressy, pressy, prissy pressy, sport tennis, and you know,
we tried to save Auckland and I'm not sure if
we did. And also we talked to some private eyes.
Oh my god, that was juicy. The private lives of
private eyes are very interesting and really it made me
consider packing up their microphone and the headphones and becoming

(01:04):
a private dick.

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Ye magnum p Heath. Yeah, yeah, so doubt I shto
to call them private dick. They did, Yeah, it was
it Dick Tracy. He is a private investigator.

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Speaker 1 (01:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:34):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Wednesday show. I
hope you're doing well. And it's beautiful wherever you're listening
in the country. Beautiful here in Auckland, beautiful in christ Church,
beautiful and Wellington.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
I went for a run today in the in the
sun because you know, I've been reading more and more
about you know, for your mood and your health and everything.
It's good to just get a little bit of sun.
Need someone that they a little bit of sun on
you before you go to work, and a little bit
of out and about, which is difficult when it's in
the winter because it's so dark. Went for a run
around Western Springs. I thought, Auckland, you're beautiful.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, never change Auckland.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
You're You're not quite as beautiful as Dunedin, but you're beautiful.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, lovely spot right on to today's show after three o'clock.
It's going to be an interesting discussion. Emma Radakarnu. She
doesn't like children, or certainly not children when she's facing
up against world number one arena Saberlanka. So she took
umbrage at a child crying in the stadium and then
ask the umpire do something about this.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
We've got the audio. Yeah, no it can't.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Don't.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
All right, we're going to come back to that, but
it's great audio. So thinctifully the umpire turned around and said,
what do you want me to do? It's a child?
Shall I adjict the child from the stadium? And Emma
basically said yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Not only did she say yeah, she said of course,
of course you would throw a child out of the
stadium so she can play her stupid ball sport. And
I personally think it's symbolic of this kind of child
hatred we forgot, we're forgetting that that children are our future,
and that you it's it's actually beautiful to have them

(03:10):
running around and so what if they make a bit
of noise? Hard enough, how difficult is it? It's hardly
the biggest struggle in life to deal with kids in
cafes or on planes, or when you're trying to play tennis. Anyway,
we'll talk about that. Humanists versus the extinction list to
ask me.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
That it's going to be a good chat after three o'clock.
After two o'clock, at the age of fifty, Alimar she
became a private investigator. She charges one hundred and ninety
two bucks an hour, good money, and most of her
work is trying to track down suspected cheatahs.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Look, I when I think of a private eye, I
think of me and p I. I think of a
big mustache Ferrari blasting around having romantic liaisons.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, what a great life is?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Is that the reality of being a private eye in
New Zealand. Are you a private investigator? We'd love to
hear your story, or have you used one on a
cheating partner or anything else? I want to know the
true story in New Zealand around private eyes.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
That is after two o'clock. But right now, let's have
a chat about what to do about Auckland's economy. So
auklad Mare Wayne Browne has come out again reiterating that
the best chance Auckland has to turn around its economy
is a beid tax. He has support in some quarters
for this idea of a bid tax or bid levy
or whatever you want to call it. It's charging people
to stay in Auckland, sleep in a bed and try

(04:23):
and fleece them for a bit more money that will
go towards events.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Right, Yeah, that's right. So the idea is that we
get some money for that, then we can invest in
some events. Auckland's unemployment rate hit six point one percent
in June, the highest of any region and above the
natural national average of five point two and spending an
Auckland CBD foil six point six percent between April and
May twenty four and the same period in twenty twenty five,

(04:47):
and Krang a Happy Road is down twenty two point
five percent. I can see why Krang Happy Roads down
K Road.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
So out of places.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
It's difficult to really do anything on K Road because
you've got the meth lanes with people running up and
down the and they were meant to be bike lanes,
but they're just people on meth and fhetamine stomping up
and down with his shirts on.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
The council didn't have that in mine when they voted yes.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
But anyway, there's no doubt that Auckland is lagging behind
and we need I mean, I said this before, but
a lot of people disagree. But I think, you know,
we need a healthy Auckland for the country's economy to
growing as a whole. Right, you know, a healthy Auckland
helps the rest of the country grow definitly. So we

(05:31):
need to do something to help our biggest city out.
And what could that possibly be. These people think of
bed tax as the way to go. Mia Wayne Brown,
I disagree. I think if everyone just comes up with
a new tax, try and solve problems. That seems to
me if you have to come up with a new tax,
you haven't actually solved the problem. You're just trying to
grab money from other people. You haven't actually got around
to what the actually root of the problem is.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, love to hear your thoughts on O. Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. There's been a lot of traction
behind the idea of maybe a subsidy or relooking at
the business tax rate. Is that a potential way to
encourage more business and to help them out to get
the economy cranking. Love to hear your thoughts. What to
do about Auckland and get it cranky. Oh e one
hundred and eighty ten eighty or but or.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Do you disagree that when Auckland's hurting, when Auckland's hurting,
the rest of New Zealand's hurting, you know, if you're
from the south. Because this person disagrees Auckland economy does
nothing to help New Zealand economy. Why should we help
it out? What does Auckland do? Let it rot move
to the tron just down the road doing great.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Tron's a good place for some people. Yeah, thank you
very much.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
What it takes all one point five million Auckland is
wander down the road to the tron.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, it sucks to be you guys. Oh eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. That
is twelve past one.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 3 (06:53):
News TALKSB. Very good afternoon to you, and we are well.
We've asked the question, what does Auckland need to get
humming again? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
It teads to hear. Rob says, hey, man, I saw
you running at Western Springs as if the zoo had
just sounded the escape alarm? Or are you chasing a
duck for dinner?

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Were you chasing a duck?

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I'll tell you why. When you're running around Western Springs,
there's a better chance of getting chased by a swan
then chasing a duck.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's a good motivation. I've been doing it wrong with this.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
The like dinosaurs, Yeah, they're a bit scary.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
You don't want to get close to a swan.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
You don't want to get on the wrong side of
a pookicko either.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
No, there was a swan in Nelson. Actually, I mean
we're going off topic here. It's called ragon and it
kept attacking people. But enough about swans, and let's talk
about beard taxes and what to do about Auckland. I
want one hundred and eighty ten eighties number.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Of cour guys. No to meya Brown's beer tax. Get
rid of a million red road cones, well they're orange.
Get rid of half the staff pushing paper around the
council officers. Beer tax paid for. We need more tourists,
not less getting taxed for wasting money. There you go,
there you go. All right, let's go to Peter. What

(07:57):
do you think about getting Auckland going again? Peter, you're
from Auckland.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
Yeah, stupid, stupid question of the answers and other tax
isn't it? After said my rage, bill go by with
about a thousand bucks two hundreds for rubbish, But jeez
of that could have gone to giving people to sing
at Eden Park or whatever. But yeah, well, I think

(08:23):
we they need they need to look up. They need
to take a razor to the awkward council. Maybe not
a raiser, maybe a new new good.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
A bit.

Speaker 6 (08:36):
Too many people there too, and it brokecones. Yeah okay,
but there must be so much waste to see people's
We know all about these pet projects and half million
dollar a half million dollar destant crossings and that start
start start cutting and that, start cutting there, and get

(08:59):
rid of get rid of some layers of management.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
So I see you're saying, before you start adding Texas,
let's make sure that you're not over the spending in
other areas.

Speaker 6 (09:11):
Oh yeah, they know they're over spender, but I don't care
because we're a pit of money that's never ending for them.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Do you see in your day to day life that
Auckland is hurting. I mean the stats say we are,
but do you feel it?

Speaker 8 (09:27):
No?

Speaker 6 (09:28):
Really, it's not where I live. But you know why
do people go don't go downtown? I can see why. Yeah,
you go past the Harbor party and all the restaurant
it's a dive.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I mean, as the Sexer said this, the CRL is
what has destroyed Auckland. They shouldn't have done that. You
could have had twenty buses driving around in circles have
done the same. God damn saying since this text.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
I mean that's just eleven farm that.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, I mean, looking at the idea and we want
to kind of broaden it out from just the idea
of a bed levy. But the proponents of that, Peter
would say, we've got to move away from this idea
of keep ranking up rates. As you say, you know
a lot of people can't afford it now and there's
a lot of wastage within council. But this avoids that.
And they argue it to use a pay system and

(10:16):
it would be targeting tourism. Yes, it will be targeting
New Zealanders who want to come to Auckland. But is that,
you know, is that kind of a step in the
right direction, moving away from just increasing rates or trying
to find other government money, some other way of funding
what we need.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
No, because of because they won't everyone stop them raising rates?
How are they doing it? It will just be another
source of revenue from them to basically waste not invest.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, very true. I can't argue with that. We've seen
it before.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Thank you for your call, Peter. Once again, Auckland is winging,
says this texter Oprah, Lord the tennis. You should try
being in Wellington, which gets nothing, not even Lord Kathy.
I don't know if Lord is going to save the
Auckland economy. She's got what is it? One show, it's
bark Arena. It's not quite enough, not quite the three
shows that cold Blad did at Eden Park.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oprah, an intimate evening with Oprah?

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, take it or leave it. I mean, like Wellington,
I feel for Wellington, but Lord's not going to save you.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
What's the deal with Oprah? Who would pay to go
and see Oprah?

Speaker 3 (11:17):
I don't know what is she going to talk about?
You can see anything on her TV show or network.
She said it all before she's so lame, yes, lame.
If you ask me, I think we are promoted on
the station quietly, yeah, I mean yeah, yes, she's a
big good night, big good night.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Okay, Oprah's lame.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
O.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
One ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Okay, Yeah, let's go to Mark. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 9 (11:40):
Here you go. So I totally agree with what Peter said.
Everyone would and Auckland would probably have an idea of
a project that the council's over spending on and giving
money to at transporters, like giving them your teenagers one
hundred dollars to do the dishes. So yeah, so the

(12:01):
expenditure needs to be looked at. But I mean, if
you look just look at a household, you've got to
fix budget. So it's not a matter of spending money
on your pet projects. It's aunt of living within your
means and just going from there. So you look at
if you want to look at other avenues. When Eden

(12:22):
Park tried to get some more concerts, they had to
go through a long process to get you know, the
resource consents to do things. So it wasn't about more
money for them, it was about they actually had enough
shows to come to them. But they weren't allowed.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
So yeah, yeah, well, I mean Coldplay for example, didn't.
We didn't have to put any money I believe into
Coldplay coming here. That was just a big band coming
to Auckland and a bunch of people turned up to it.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (12:50):
But Eden Park has said themselves that they've had they've
had to turn away business because they couldn't do it
so that they had nothing to do with or can
council putting money in. And then you look at the
Auckland levy on the fuel tax and what's got for that?
You've got cycle ways that you know you've got. You've

(13:13):
got a Glen Dowry route that no one cycles anymore
that used to be a cycle route for cyclists and
now they've put a cycle away in there and that
goes up and done the footpaths and no one's using
it anymore. You know, It's just it's the ridiculous thing
about that. And one more comment, would you like a
baby sound while you're doing it? Is backswing and golf.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
It wouldn't help me? No, I don't think it would
either help or hinder me. Might actually put me off
my terrible swing and I might do something decent.

Speaker 9 (13:48):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, but people wouldn't welcome welcome
that if they're playing golf, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
So yeah, hey, Mark, would you if if the council
did manage to make and at managed to make some
cutbacks and there's some more money floating around the Auckland
system system, would you be happy for that money to
be invested in events, more events in Aucklands.

Speaker 10 (14:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (14:08):
It's all about seeing Auckland as a business and run
professionally and and seeing the return on your investment. And
that's not what they're showing Auckland is with the money
that's coming into their plot and the waste it's going out.
So if they showed that and and I mean it's
all about increasing the lifestyle for Aucklanders and managing the

(14:31):
fundamentals like the water, the you know what the fundamentals are.
And if they can't do that, then we shouldn't let
them do other things.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah. And you know when you talk about a bed
tax and you know rates going up and et cetera,
et cetera, I mean you're just always going to be
adding more and more taxes. If you never actually sort
out the fundamental problem, then just there's just gonna be
another tax and another tax, and another tax and another tax.
How does that work out in the end, Well, it's not.

Speaker 9 (15:00):
Gonna it's not gonna affect Auckland as the big tax,
but it's gonna when it rolls around the country Auckland
is visiting the regions, they're gonna it's gonna be more
offensive and council is going to have more money that
they're going to be wasting on things, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
So yeah, because the truth of the matter is when
you have events, most of the people come from the
other other parts of the country. They're going to really
you're asking people from Vericago to pay to make.

Speaker 9 (15:28):
They shouldn't be contributing to. I mean, like the c
L being so much over budget billions of dollars, you know,
that's ridiculous. So there's so called professionals hiring so called
professionals and they're asking you on to pay for it now,
So that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
I mean the damage that the overruns of the CRL
have done to our country, you know, billions of dollars
that that that have just disappear from our economy. So
I mean, are we going to be is that going
to make that when when it opens up, is it
going to make back the five point five billion dollars?

Speaker 3 (16:02):
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Speaker 1 (17:02):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (17:06):
Jimsy Prime Minister David seymourback will this. It's part of
the problem with the Palestinian debating and you get people,
unfortunately like Chloe, who lose the plot.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
And that's the.

Speaker 11 (17:13):
Difficulty of the debate, doesn't You can't have a debate
because there'll be someone in the room like her that
goes nuts.

Speaker 12 (17:17):
Well, I thought we kind of reached peak Chloe Swarber.
You had the moral supremacy, just like all extremists, the
idea that your cause is so right you don't have.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
To follow the rules.

Speaker 12 (17:27):
You can just assert it over everybody else, even if
it stops the institution functioning. And I just make the
point that how can you call for an international rules
based order when you can't follow the basic rules in
your own workplace.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
You should be able to debate on the issue.

Speaker 11 (17:40):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 3 (17:46):
Very good afternoon. She it's twenty seven past one, and
we'll asked the question what does Auckland need to get
its economy? Humming the mayor reckons a bid tax will
do it, but there's plenty of other suggestions coming in
On one hundred and eight ten eighty then number to call.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
The sexus is a bid tax not will be the
best thing that could happen for christ Church. Auckland CBD
has become a Richard hive of scum and villainy nice
star wars reference. A bid tax will just be another
reason to avoid it. Bring on the new stadium in
Christ cheers Ben, Yeah, I mean, is that one of
the things that they could do to stimulate the New
Zealand economy and the Auckland economy if we believe that

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events bring money in. Put a roof on Eden Park. Yep,
you've bought Takaha.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Put a roof on Eden Park, roof on all the stadium.
Let's do it. Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighties the
number to call Brenda your thoughts on this?

Speaker 8 (18:32):
Yes, Hi, guys, I'm really enjoying your show.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (18:36):
I really think New Zealand has to get into the
real world. If I've just come back from Europe and
the UK and we're planning another trip to the States
in a couple of weeks, every major city has got
a bad tax, and I think it's just the way
of the world. I think it needs to happen. And
you know, and when people stay in a hotel, they
look at the tariff. They budget for what they can afford.

(18:58):
And if you can't afford the bad tas, you shouldn't
be traveling, right.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
And you don't think that that's going to put people
off coming.

Speaker 8 (19:07):
To No, not at all. People want to go to
a concert. What's the difference between one hundred and fifty
dollars and one hundred and fifty five dollars an It
won't stop them.

Speaker 13 (19:17):
No.

Speaker 8 (19:18):
I really think that people can budget. They look at
they look at You're not Honestly, when we go to Honolulu,
there are hundreds of dollars of resort fees and city
taxes that are put on the tariff. But does that
stop most people going on holiday?

Speaker 14 (19:35):
No.

Speaker 8 (19:35):
You just budget for what you can afford. And I
think New Zealand is like we're in Milan and we
were paying something like gosh ten euro a day bed tax.
Rome's got it, Venice has got it, Paris has got it.
I just think I just think we need to do it,

(19:56):
and I think that's a really good way of doing something.
If people plan their holidays and they budget, they know
what they're getting. I think it's fine and I think
Auckland needs that to stick some of our woes.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
To be honest, Brend, do you think that Auckland sits
in the in the same category as Rome Venice in Paris?

Speaker 8 (20:15):
Yes, I do. Wow, people coming down from America come
down to New Zealand, we said, lots of people say
we'd love to come. UIs dollars. You know, they're harving everything.
They won't be put off. As people plan a holiday,
they look at their what they can afford and it
won't stop them coming. They'll just budget for it. Maybe
they'll stay one less day somewhere. But no, I honestly

(20:38):
don't think it comes into the equation. People look at
the total cost and they say, okay, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well I got to say that. I was up Mountain
and the other day Brenda going for a walk and
I was looking out over the city, at the other volcanoes,
at it at Angetoto, and I was just thinking, my god,
this city is just so beautiful and unique and we
sometimes forget it. And the way when you look around
how the trees going up. I was up there with
my dad and he grew up in Tuneda, I mean

(21:04):
in Auckland in the sixties and he said that there
were no trees. The trees took it while to come.
But now when you look three sixty around off Mount Eden,
it is just like it's like a forest, a forest
with houses and coming through it you look out to
get to the harbor that museum. It's absolutely beautiful.

Speaker 8 (21:24):
It is. And I totally agree, and we underestimate the
value of how nice we are. And I truly think
it won't as I say, I'm a firm believer. Now,
we just got to get into the real world a
lot of places, you know, as long as it's put
back into the funds for the city US wisely, I've
got nothing against it. I think we're just being archaic

(21:46):
and we're sticking ahead in the sands. And it's a
good way because people can see what the price of
the hotel is plus the tax, and it's their decision
to stay or not.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
But I think you've just hit the crux of the situation, Brenda.
According to the text and the calls that we've had,
it's that lack of trust that that money will be
used wisely because we haven't seen it, certainly not an
Auckland council, but councils across the board keep working up
the rates and money is being fitted away on you know,
these legacy projects that nobody can I know, warrant.

Speaker 8 (22:15):
But you can say that about governments, and you can
say that at about the councils since the year eighteen hundred.
Nobody's happy with everything. I'm not saying that they're spending
all their money wisely, but what I'm saying is capture
a market that is there, spend it wisely and people
will come.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
What kind of events would you like to see Brenda,
this bed tax being spent on?

Speaker 8 (22:40):
Do you want me to be honest? I think it
should go back into not necessary events, but things that
enhance the city to make more people want to come.
You know, I agree with concerts, et cetera, But I
don't know if it's necessarily just going to be about events.
I think maybe cleaning up the city a little bit,

(23:02):
making the parts, making the beach.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Don't we already pay a huge amount of rates for
the council to do that and they're just not doing it.

Speaker 8 (23:10):
Yeah, but you know, you can say that about any
country in the world. You know, it's not just particular
to Auckland. It's a particular it's a worldwide problem. Nobody's
happy necessarily with what their councils or what their governments
are doing. But it's a way to achieve more revenue,
to be able to enable people who can afford to

(23:31):
stay in a hotel, or can it say it can
do that rather than disabling people who who can't afford it.
Take the money from people who can afford to stay
in hotels. It won't put them off because once they've
planned their holiday, they'll plan their holiday. Does it really
make a difference if it's one percent of the bill,
won't stop them from coming.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
So what about when it's not one percent of bill?
That Texas says guys, I just came back from La
The hotel room charge was one thousand dollars Z. On
top of that was six different taxes and charges totaling
two and sixty three New Zealand dollars per night. People
just pay it, so start go hi and hey, would
you bring dad? This is a question that's just come

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into my head. Right we're talking about Mount Eden's we
were before, we'll talk about Eden Park. What about if
the money from the bid tax went to something very
very solid, like putting a roof on Eden Park so
you could get events coming to Auckland all through winter.
Would you support something like that where it was just a.

Speaker 8 (24:30):
Very necessary No, I don't think that's necessary. That would
cost too much money and it would only enhance a
certain amount of the population. We've already got a stadium
like christ Church that's got a covered ruth. Get them
to go down to christ Church with a covered ruth.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Oh that isn't now of Auckland.

Speaker 8 (24:48):
Christ Yeah, yeah, but I know, I truly think we
just need to get realistic. Every other country in the
world is doing it and for us to be little
New Zealand, we shouldn't do that. I think we just
have to put our big pants on and just charge
people who can afford it.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Well, thank you so much for you called Brenda, and
thank you for your opinion.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
And nice too, because Auckland is a beautiful city, no
doubt about that. She was a good patriot. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Just been to South America. Only one city and country
charged accommodation tax. It was very little for seven days.
Don't think it should be charged for New Zealanders just
for international guests? How about that?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah? Right, coming up very shortly. We're going to have
a chat to the head of the Newmarket Business Association
to see what he thinks. Auckland needs to get humming.
That's coming up very shortly. But can you get your views?

Speaker 13 (25:35):
I e.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty to number to call
twenty five to two.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
News talks at the headlines.

Speaker 14 (25:43):
With blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.
The UN has been asked to investigate our government rushing
through changes to pay equity law without consultation, canceling active
claims and making new ones harder. A People's Select committee
of former parliamentarians is in its second day of examining
the changes. New Zealand's next ambassador to the US has

(26:06):
been announced as Chris ced Over in January from Rosemary Banks.
The rebooted Golden Visa scheme, launched in April, has funneled
millions in to manage funds, most coming from overseas applicants
in return for residency there's concern investment in private credit
doesn't meet the scheme's purpose. The Police Commissioner says he

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is proud of progress in cracking down on gangs, with
more than seven hundred prosecutions for displaying gangs symbols since
new laws took effect in November. Kiwi sarmor in film
TENA has raked in six point five million dollars at
the box office, overtaking Whale Rider to become our fifth
highest grossing movie. Piemakers despair as cost of mince up

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as much as forty percent on previous year. Read more
at NZ Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Thank you very much, Jody. So what does Auckland need
to get its economy humming again? That's the question we've
put to you. And joining us right now is Mark
Knofon Thomas. He is a CEAU of the New Market
Business Association. Mark, A very good afternoon to you. Thank
you very much for joining us.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Ow ay, all good, hey, Mark, how's new Market holding
up in this well publicized Auckland downturn?

Speaker 15 (27:23):
You know what, We've probably the last six weeks or
so have been showing some very promising signs. So I
think we've turned a very very long corner and I
think time of year, spring is coming, more daily hours,
people are feeling more positive. So we're feeling quietly optimistic
that the end of the year is going to be

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a pretty respectable finish.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
So what's new market got that kreng Happy Road hasn't
got Because these figures are saying that Kay Road's down
twenty two point five percent.

Speaker 15 (27:54):
Yeah, I think k Rhoad has had a sort of
unique set of things which have happened. I mean the
upgrade a few years ago, and it never really came
back from that, and that was you know, the upgrade
was going on with a pretty pretty bad time for
all of us trade wise. I mean, we've got a
bit of poly power with our infrastructure, our transport links
where we are geographically we've got you know, seven hundred

(28:15):
odd retail stores, one hundred and twenty cafes, bars and restaurants,
So there's a lot of a bit of heft in
the new market to pull people in.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
So do you support and I'll just explain it because
some people are asking all to bed taxes. We keep
expaying it and explaining it. Do you support a fee
charge to people staying overnight in hotels, motels and hostels
in Auckland are bed taxes. It's been called.

Speaker 16 (28:35):
Mark Yes, yes I do.

Speaker 15 (28:38):
And actually back in the day under the former mayor
Phil Goff, we actually see the bed tax will being
more desirable solution than having a petrol tax when we
had the Auckland petrol.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Tax was put in.

Speaker 15 (28:50):
We think a bid taxes of a fairer system. And
really most people when you go overseas and stay in
a hotel, when you check out, you know there's a bed.
There's a line in there which should be a local
levy or a council levy or whatever it's going to
be called. And I think it's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
So what would you want the money from a bed
tax to be spe time to help the Auckland economy.

Speaker 15 (29:11):
Yeah, I think really we need to focus very strongly
on the promotion of Auckland, you know as a national
and an international level, to really get the word out
there to bring people into Auckland. Because I know from
whenever there's a major event on in Auckland like a concert,
for example, we have a boomer of a weekend in
Newmarket and I'm sure other parts of Auckland do as well,

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and that driving that cash flow in from around the
country is the oil that keeps the economy turning over.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Are you confident that the bed tax would be used
in that way and not just absorbed into a bunch
of other punishing council stuff.

Speaker 15 (29:46):
I should actually go back and just refrain. So what
as I said before, But I support a bed tax
if it's hypothecated for the promotion of us as a
city as a destination to bring people in as a
great example. So you know, we don't spend a single
cent on you know, bringing in a band like Coldplate
to New Zealand for example, but that on the Saturday

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alone when Coldplay played at Eden Park, I think it
was last year, we were up path a million dollars
in trade just in one day based on the domestic
tourists coming up from around the country. And I think Auckland,
Auckland's been doing it tough. We've sort of got a
very long stem from the hangover of COVID and the
lockdowns that we all went through, and it's taking us
a long time to come back up. And I think

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Auckland has probably quite leveraged financially in terms of the
cost of housing up here. And there's a few people
who've been caught out with interest rates, which thankfully are
asked them to come down the other side now. But
there aren't any twos or threes in those interest rates.
Their high fours, fives and six is still So that's
a big deans on your cash flow or discretionary income

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if you've got to start shelling out a couple of
percent more.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
So as a bed tax and exercise and rinsing people
from christ Church, Hamilton denied and in Bicago or Wellington
for the good of the Auckland economy.

Speaker 15 (31:04):
It's not about rinsing, it's about doing, you know what
you can do for your country needs auk and needs
all the needs of it to help. I mean Auckland
had did do it very tough. You've had a lot
of infrastructure disrupted across the city with the city roll
link and various upgrades and roadworks that have been going on.
And they know a lot of places around the country
have upgrades infrastructure things. I'm not going to say it's

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an Auckland problem, but that on top of the issues
with we had the longest lockdowns in the country in Auckland,
and the economy literally turned off for a long time,
and it hasn't really hasn't flown back into full throttle
just yet. But as I said, you know, locally we
are fairly quietly optimistic that things are starting to look better.

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Our retail lease, things looking a lot stronger for our
mainstream along Broadway. So there are some really good things
to take away from it. And thankfully we're coming out
of winter, we're not going into it, so people feel
a bit more happy.

Speaker 16 (31:56):
They've been happy about stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
We're talking to Mark nov Thomas, CEO of New Newmarket
Business Association. Are there risks of reduced visitors numbers if
you're whacking a bed tax on the accommodation.

Speaker 15 (32:10):
I don't think people base their decisions on accommodation if
they're paid tax or not. I mean, you know, go
overseas in most cities now you'll pay a bed tax.
I mean Auckland accommodation it's up their price wise, you know.
But we really want to keep people flooding in. And
I think if the big tax can be used really
directly for the promotion of events and conferences and whatever,

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else it's going to be to bring people in regionally
and for internationally, it's got to be a good thing.
A lot more targeted stuff towards Australia. I know Touris
in New Zealand they're doing various campaigns and things, but
I think we really need to give it some heft
and I support the council being able to get some
sort of some money as well to really promote those

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major events coming into Auckland City.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
When we look at what's going on with Auckland, it's
a confidence issue, right Mark, And I note that the
last survey only forty four percent of businesses are optimistic
in Auckland. We know that the unemployment rate is six
point one percent. So this idea of reducing the corporate
tax rate, to me makes a bit of sense that
you inject some optimism confidence people start employing people again.
Isn't that a better way to get things coming.

Speaker 15 (33:15):
I mean, it's probably a multi pronged approach, I think,
And obviously you know it's all about cash and cash flow,
and I think if the more money we can put
back into the economy, whether that's through reduced taxes or
force businesses or individual taxes or whatever, or more income
coming into the government to help promote Auckland as a destination.
It's got to be a good thing.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Honestly.

Speaker 15 (33:35):
Cash flow has been the single biggest problem we're basing
in Auckland right now, and a lot of retailers, especially
or hospital providers have gone through a pretty challenging period
of time.

Speaker 16 (33:46):
The cash flow is so tight that.

Speaker 15 (33:48):
You having one good day can be all the difference
they need to get them through the week or through
the month. And I think I can't understate how important
that cash flow is.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Well. I always wonder though, if that the big spending
in Auckland from Auckland has comes from perceived capital gains
or you perceived wealth from capital gains. So maybe something
that would help our city out would be if interest
rates got lowered again a bit, you know, I'd love that.

Speaker 15 (34:12):
Yeah, I mean, you know you can you can, you
can make capital gains in your property, but you can't
eat it and you can't dine out on it, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
But it's a perception thing, isn't it. Mark. I've seen
a lot of people there feel wealthy. There's a lot
of people that's suddenly buying an extra bottle of bubbles
just because they feel like their property Pilly has gone up. Hey,
thank you so much, Matte.

Speaker 16 (34:31):
Yeah, my pleasure, my feature and the problem.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Really are good. To get your thoughts and go well.
That is Mark nof Thomas, CEO of Newmarket Business Association. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty, you've heard what he says.
What do you say?

Speaker 17 (34:42):
Really?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Can you get your thoughts? It is fourteen to two.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Texas says, wait till that sky convention centers up and going.
That'll change everything.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
It's never going to happen.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
That's got some flashing lights. And I saw on the
way down to work the other.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Day they love a fire alarm at the man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
It'd be there's eleven to two, so many texts coming
through on this. All kind of is a crap hole
on a I would never choose to go there. I
certainly wouldn't pay extra in the bed tax to stay theres.
Auckland's not a crap hole. It depends where you are.
I mean, they're definitely crap parts of every city.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
But you can't go out to phr and say it's
a crap.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Hole on top of Mount Eden looking out over those
beautiful waters.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Walking your dog and takapoona. Yeah, it's a beautiful place,
walking up one of our beautiful mountains.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
I had my doubts until I moved here, but it is.
It's stunning out there.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah. Absolutely. The way to fix a leaky bucket is
to fix the holes, not simply pour more water into
the top. This is what is wrong with Auckland Council.
The money they waste is eye watering. They waste more
money every year than most of us we'll see in
a lifetime. Get real. Overseas tourists do not come to
New Zealand to see Auckland, a large town pretending to
be a city. They will probably stay the minimum number

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of nights necessary. Foreigners will come for conventions once the
center is open, and we'll stay several nights in Auckland.
The CBD is a chaotic dump. I only go there
when I have to, and I live in Mount Eden,
close Lower Queen Street to all traffic. If Ox's Street
in London can do it, then there are no excuses.
That is from Gary.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
It's a powerful text.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
But I mean I think that the bid texts could
also be I mean, what about events, mate, even if
Auckland's rubbish? Yeah exactly, I don't agree, but you know,
more events might bring more people here and welcome the
show your thoughts on this, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (36:28):
I'm not a fan and being someone that would travel
to Auckland is going up there for a major event.
Accommodation costs rise anyway and more expensive.

Speaker 16 (36:38):
Yeah, yeah, when events.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Are on surge pricing.

Speaker 10 (36:43):
Yeah, well yeah, they do that for major events. So
you don't get.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Anymore Linda, Where do you come from up to Auckland?
Christ right? And you come up for the tennis.

Speaker 10 (36:55):
Yeah, I've done a number of times for the tenants.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
It's a great time, isn't it the tennis? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (37:00):
Yeah, But the accommodation costs a rocket when you've got
an event like that on if you're an accommodation around
a venue.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
So do you think like a two point five percent
bed tax would be be the straw that broke the
camel's back for you, Linda, And you're like, no, I'm
not coming to the tennis because that's too much.

Speaker 10 (37:17):
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, accommodation rises, you know so much.

Speaker 16 (37:22):
It's yes, yep.

Speaker 10 (37:24):
I haven't been for the last couple of years because
of that.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, fair enough to Linda. Well, if Wayne Brown's listening,
you've lost Linda with your bead text idea. She's not
coming coming to the tennis and coming to the tennis.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
She's going to be at Takaha. Whatever's happening at that
and that covered stadium down there.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
What a great stadium that's going to be.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Put a roof on.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Even part roof on us.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Everyone's going to be going down to christ Church.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
It is eight to two.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Mad Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
News talks THEREB. It is five to two.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yes. So why do many people from christ Church always
moan about Auckland and we supported them so much emotionally
and financially over the earthqake. How about a bit more
of support. You got to say that the whole nation
when Auckland was locked down. I've got to say as
a danned Knight, and you know there's a certain amount
of anti Auckland rhetoric in Dunedan, although let's be honest,

(38:20):
d need Nights sort of more have anti christ Church rhetoric.
That's a lot to do.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
It doesn't like anybody apart from Dunedin.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
That's not true, how dear you. They love Wellington people
from Dunedin forres Anyway, in Donedan, due to a like
Canterbury constantly beating us at sport, it's caused a certain
amount of resentment over the years. But any way, it
does seem to me that the reaction from people from
Wellington and christ Church when we were locked down was
screw you. There wasn't There wasn't much sympathy for Auckland.

(38:46):
Definitely was no sympthy from Wellington governmental or otherwise.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
For it was a bit of smartress arounds.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
But I think Auckland's pretty nice to other people when
other parts of the country when they go through hard times. Yeah,
I think. I mean that's mainly because most people in
Auckland from Auckland. They're from other parts of the country anyway.
So I think on this discussion of the bid tax
in Auckland and how we can promote the economy in
all because it's hurting falls into three camps. You can't

(39:12):
text your way out of problems, so what you're spending
out first? That seems to be a very popular one.
Another popular sort of opinion is bid tax is a
great idea no one will notice. Grab the cash off
for visits and make Auckland great again.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
And about fifty percent of the Texas Texas say Auckland
is crap, Let it rot.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
So yeah, there we go. It's yeah, good summary.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
So once again we've failed to find a consensus on
the issue. Yep.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Well, I'm sure we'll talk about this again. It's not
going to go away anytime soon. But coming up after
two o'clock, let's have a chat about private investigators and cheating.
If you're a private investigator, love to hear from you,
and if you've used a PI to try and discover
some cheating behavior going on. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Special Economic Zone borders the super city until we get going.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
And put a roof on Eden Park yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Singapore rise Auckland until we're rich again.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
You heard it here. First, Newsport and Weather, it's coming up.
You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope you're having a
great afternoon. We'll see you care very shortly.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talk zid Bey.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Very very good afternoon to you. It is seven past too.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Well, well, well, it's kicking off in Parliament right now
with a vote on close Warbrick with us. She has
to leave the house or not. There was yays and
NAIs all over the place. The yeas said yay, and
there was more yays than Nay's Jerry Brown, he's trying
to work out what's going on. You've got Chris Hipkins
who's questioning the validity validity of even asking the question.

(40:47):
So yeah, it's just happening right now. So I was
trying to watch it and then I was rudely interrupted
by having to do this show.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
He had to come back in. But we might here.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
It's exciting stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
It is all kicking off in parliament. So what we
might do very shortly is have a checked to Berry Soaper,
our political national correspondent. Or there's Jerry and he's looks
very stern and very upset with how things are unfolded.
I feel for Jerry. He said to deal with a
lot in a short time as speaker. But we may
have a chat to Barry Soap. He's just in the

(41:18):
in the news room watching it all unfold. But this
is exciting and spicy and this is what we love
about New Zealand politics.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
And so I'd be interested to know what happens. Is
the Sergeant of Arms come and drag her out if
she won't go, that'll be dramatic.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, it will be dramatic. I hope that happens.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
They would give her the pictures that she's craving, yeah,
for her bass.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
So yeah, what we'll do, we'll just see if we can,
wrote Barry Soaper and have a chat. We just getting
a nod from Andrew there. So we'll play some messages
out because this is a big news as it's unfolding now,
So we'll play some messages and when we come back,
hopefully we'll have Barry Soper in studio to break this
all down.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
This is fascinating, So we're going to take Barry away
from watching it.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
He's not gonna be happy, but we've got a tally
rolling now. He can watch it here. But hopefully that
is coming up very shortly. It is eight past two.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Wow your home of afternoon until mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said be.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
It is eleven past too. So, as we mentioned, it's
all kicked off in Parliament. As we know, Chloe Swarbrick,
the co leader of the Green Party, was due to
reappear in the House where she was going to be
asked to apologize for earlier comments that saw her expelled
from the house. So just going through the timeline of
events over the last seven minutes. So they went into

(42:36):
the chamber. As soon as they entered and sat down speaking,
Jerry Browne invited Chloe Swarbrick to apologize. She said, I quote,
I won't be doing that, mister speaker. He told her
to get out of the house. He also said us
Swarbrick should be named a serious punishment that would result
in her leaving the House of course and having her
pay docked. As she was leaving the chamber, she shelted
out Free Palestine. Then Labor leader Chris Hipkins raised a

(42:59):
point of order over the naming of Swarbrick. That's the
punishment that would see her pay docked. Then they took
a few votes, but of all people, New Zealand First
leader Wiston Beaters, he offered support of a kind to Swarbrick,
noting he did not agree with what she said, but
he did not think it was out of order. On
his way into the chamber, Winston Peters see Chloe Swarbrick's
comments in the house yesterday were not offensive, offensive enough

(43:22):
to be booted out. I quote, if you can have
John Key say get some guts or accept the sea word,
which was outrageous, then how could she be offensive in
that context?

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Well, it kind of makes sense for Winston Peters to
say that because he says all kinds of things in
the house, doesn't.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
He He loves letting wins beters in the house.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I mean, he knows the rules better than nearly anyone,
and he sometimes breaks those rules. But dramatic. You got
to say that the whole situation was dramatic. And as
you're saying before, we'll try and get a word to
Barry Soper when we can. But as you can imagine,
and rightly so, he's watching events as as they unfold,
with everyone having this say in Parliament right now.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Absolutely, we will get Barry Soper in as soon as
what's unfolding in the house wraps up, so that will
be this hour. But in the meantime, let's go back
to the topic we're original going to have a chat about.
So private investigators investigating suspected cheating. There's a story in
the Hero today about a woman called Allie Mars. She
became a private investigator at the age of fifty, sitting

(44:19):
up her own agency. She charges get this, one hundred
and ninety two bucks an hour, and most of her
work is investigating potential cheatish.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
So that's not too bad. Is one hundred and ninety
two dollars an hour. It's good wicket to be a
private eye. I guess you're sitting in front of a
lot of houses, taking photographs, following people around and stuff.
It sounds quite quite like a glamorous career to me. Yeah,
sounds pretty megnum p I.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
It sounds like the life.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
It's probably more glamorous than kicking Chloe Schwarbrick out of Parliament.
Maybe Jerry Browney would want to do this for one
hundred and ninety two dollars an hour.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Hey, it's good money. And if you sit around eating
donuts or you know, having liaisons with nice looking ladies.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Why did you bring up sitting around eating donuts after
I said Jerry Browley.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
No reason, no reason. Who doesn't like a donut?

Speaker 5 (45:01):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Eight one hundred eighty at eighty. If you are a
private investigator, what is involved in the work that you do?
How much of it is investigating suspected cheaters within a relationship?
I imagine there's a lot of private investigators that would
do the old trackdown family members as well. That would
be a messive part of it.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah. And with a private investigate, do you need to
have a license? What qualifications do you have to be
have to be a private investigator in New Zealand? Is
it a good way to make money?

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
And have you used a private investigator?

Speaker 5 (45:30):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
And I'll tell you what right now, we do actually
have a private investigator who's called in. His name's Dion
and he's on the line.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Get adon, holdly go there you go, bloody good, thanks Dion.
So how long have you been a private investigator for?

Speaker 7 (45:47):
Yeah? Lookince, I was eighteen so nineteen eighty seven, which
kind of makes this kill particularly old today.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
So because a lot of private investigators are ex police officers.
But you went straight into it after school, did you down?

Speaker 7 (46:01):
Well?

Speaker 16 (46:01):
I had?

Speaker 7 (46:02):
I was the exception really to the rule. I had
an opportunity to work with a private investigation come and
security consultancy and I basically managed to work with a
couple of pioneers, if you like, for the PI industry,
and specifically they hired me to do some jobs and
from there I've remained in the industry for ceva years.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
And what qualifications did you have to get to become
a private investigator when you're eighteen?

Speaker 7 (46:31):
Yeah, it's probably a very good question, really. So I
was fortunate enough that the Royal nes here And Police
College had an investigation skills course, so I did that.
I also did a certified fraud Examiner's certification, which unfortunately
has now expired. And plus there was lots and lots
of on the job training with former police detectives, police officers,

(46:55):
and basically they just put me under the wing and
I did some specific tasks for them, which I could
get away with a lot more than they could because
they all looked like they've been in the police and
I hadn't.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
What do you mean by that? I see they were recognizable,
they had big mustaches or whatever.

Speaker 7 (47:11):
You see them at the strand and go, he's probably
been a police officer.

Speaker 16 (47:15):
Science you got it?

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, And so what would most of your work encompass now,
den Is it a bit of a mix or is
it lean heavily towards the investigating infidelity look.

Speaker 7 (47:29):
I operates the Neil Group otherwise known as TNG, And
of course I'm going to tell you that you should
go to TG dot NZ for some information. But the
services that we provide around private investigations does vary, and
we do get involved with fraud and theft investigations, workplace investigations.

(47:52):
We do find missing people and a case only just
yesterday we reconnected someone that was some very very good
news from an inheritance. So the work is varied. And
if you go back to infidelity, which I think is
part of your question, I guess you know, the cheating
partner scenario, it only probably represents a very small percentage

(48:12):
of what we do. A lot of what we do
now is obtaining evidence. We do a lot of work
with law firms. We do a lot of work with
some businesses, small medium enterprises and an occasionally the odd
government agency.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
So are you spending a bit of time sitting in
cars doing stakeouts and the kind of private eyework that
we see on televisions and movies and such.

Speaker 7 (48:38):
Well, you've got to get used to sitting on your
own remaining really observant, and you've got to be able
to remain focused. And so yes, you do spend a
lot of time and nothing happens, and then all of
a sudden you could have a moment of excitement. It
can only last seconds or a minute.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
So you're following cars a couple of cars behind, and
all those kind of things are those skills that you
go learn and training or those skills that you learn
in the job over the years.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
Look, I was again, I was very lucky, like in
the late eighties be able to get that skill set
and to be able to be trained in surveillance and
to be able to be trained into intelligence gathering and
investigations by some of the most amazing people from the
private investigation industry and sadly to have passed away now,

(49:25):
But you know, I would never have been able to
get into this industry without those two particular gentlemen, and
the support of a great group of ex detectives and
police officers is too many to name, but they've really
helped me along the way, and they've remained in contact
with me. And you know, it's just one of those
industries that it really is just it's quite rewarding, and

(49:48):
I could never imagine doing anything else now. And I
have worked part time and full time, and I've had
other careers, and I've actually done it all my days off.
For example, I've tried to leave a couple of times
that I found myself always coming back.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Have you, you know, to use the Hollywood term, have
you ever been made while you're on a job that
someone spotted gen realized what you were doing.

Speaker 7 (50:09):
Look, there are people that are surveillance savvy, if you like,
there are people that do have reason to continue to
look over their shoulder. You've got there are you know,
there are some messods that you can use to ensure
that you're not detected. And that is one of the
most important things in terms of doing a good surveillance
job is obviously not being seen, not being you know,

(50:33):
you know, somebody having a look at you and going
why is that car keet following us, et cetera. So
we look, we use different kinds of vehicles, we have
different ways that we carry out surveillance. Probably in my
early days, you know, we were doing a lot of
work for the government agency around insurance forward and you know,
that's kind of where I cut my teeth, and I'm

(50:53):
sure probably back then I was made if you like,
a couple of times otherwise, sometimes we're looking at people
that are anti social or maybe have criminal connection, and
some of those people are always looking over their shoulder.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
And so that sort of bigs a question. Doesn't know
what's as a job? Is it a high risk occupation?
I imagine being found out by one of these kind
of antisocial types might be risky for your personal safety.

Speaker 7 (51:19):
Yeah, look, it can be. It really depends on the
nature of the assignment that you're doing at the time.
You know, we do everything from process serving, which is
the service of legal documents, to motor vehicle repositions, to
field visits, which is like a door knock and reconnecting
our clients with their client. So you know, it used
to be called a death of visits, but now we're

(51:40):
kind of you know, payment arrangements. It really depends on
the nature of the job. Sometimes a motor vehicle reposition
or serving a legal document, or even if field visit
can go wrong very very quickly because some of the
people that we're dealing with now maybe not as balanced
as what they used to be. So we are very
cautious when we approach any property, any house, because yeah,

(52:02):
there is a certain amount of risk involve for sure, as.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Being a private investigator. What's a better way to ask us?
I don't have a better way. Is it a good
paying job? Does it pay? Okay?

Speaker 7 (52:15):
Sometimes it's a bit like being a real estate agent.
You know, things are When things are growth are great
and when they're not, they're really not. And there are
a lot of private investigators in New Zealand. You know,
some specialize in particular investigation work, some are generalists, and
some people only last a year or two, not even that,

(52:37):
and they and they go back and they and they
try something else. But it is well paying depending on
the type of assignment that you're doing. I'm being very
careful around that.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yeah, yeah, which is fair enough to dion. So for
someone that might be on the receiving end of being investigated,
and then there must be privacy issues that come into
plan that side of things, because if someone's contacted you
and they suspect there's fraud or cheating, infidelity and they're
wrong and you don't find any of that evidence, imagine

(53:10):
the person on receiving and if they find out can
get pretty angry about that.

Speaker 7 (53:14):
But they can I think in particular workplace investigation, so
the typical employee theft if you like, where we get
called in to gather evidence, talk to people in that workplace,
and we're basically we're doing a lot of intelligence gathering,
We're gathering evidence, and we're putting a case together so
that someone other than the investigator will go and interview

(53:37):
the person or people that are responsible for a fraud
or a theft in a workplace. We like to separate ourselves.
So you have a private investigator that does the work
in the background, that does the surveillance, does the investigation work,
does you know a lot of you know, the intelligence
gathering and the evidence that's required, And then we have
a super private investigator that will use that information and

(53:58):
they will be probably interviewing one or two people typically
what we would suggest as the offender. They will also
do some witness statements and maybe talk to other employees.
So this sometimes there is whistleblowers inside companies and sometimes
that is the reasons for why private investigators are employed.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, so you know what led us to the story
was Ali Marsh, who's become a private investigator at fifty
Is it a job that you would recommend to people,
and there's a lot of people losing their jobs at
the moment. Is it a profession that you would recommend
to others?

Speaker 7 (54:39):
I would, but I would probably be cautious right now
around around that because there are a lot of private
investigators and like I said before, it's a bit like
being a real estate agent, so you can't always guarantee
your income. But what we like to do, like at
the Nail Group, we also have Proceed, which is a
process serve and company, So we like to diversify, I

(55:01):
guess in terms of one part of the business like
Proceed might be incredibly busy, which it often is doing
serving documents. On the other side of the Mail Group,
we also do security consultancy work, so we also provide
some high level security and personal protection. So when you
look at our website, you'll see that what we do
various because it has to Sometimes private investigation work might

(55:24):
be really you know, I guess slow. Then we'll get
an assignment and it might be a major sift or
fraud investigation, and it will take a lot of resources,
and you know, you might get two or three private
investigators on that job. When that's not happening, we're outseving documents,
we're reposessing cars, we're finding missing people, We're doing door knocks,

(55:45):
field visits.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
That sort of thing fascinating.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
And this might sound an odd question, but a lot
of texts coming through with this and you might not
want to answer it. But do you work for, Sir
Peter Jackson?

Speaker 7 (55:56):
I can't really comment about the clients that we work with.
I would like to be able to do that.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yep, nicely said, spoken like a proper PI. You've got
the training.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Do you work for Jamie Oliver.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
We'll keep going down the list until you say, yesterday.

Speaker 7 (56:11):
I was going to say, we can you know, we
can carry on like this all day?

Speaker 10 (56:14):
Guy?

Speaker 7 (56:17):
Yeah, yeah, Look, look, I appreciate the opportunity to talk
about private investigators, and but it is one of those
things I guess, you know, you know, like any teenager.
I was pretty impressed by Megnan p. I sure wasn't it. Well, yeah,
and I certainly haven't managed to own a ferrari just
quite yet.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
But well, to be fair, that belonged to Robin Masters.
He was just borrowing it. But yeah, I get your point.

Speaker 7 (56:41):
Yeah, yeah, that's a very yeah, this is a very
good point. So I look, I'm going to continue down
this journey. My business will only grow and it will
it will develop probably into some more specific fields and
we're kind of we're looking at that right now about
how we can best you know, I guess add some
real value to New Zealand business during some really tough

(57:02):
times for businesses. So a lot of what we do,
we even we even do to reduced fee just to
help business owner out right now when they've got a
parliament side your business.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Really good to chat with you, Dan all the very
best part of the TNNG Group, the Neil Group. But
we're kenning hear from you. If you've been on the
receiving end of a private investigator or you've hired one yourself.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
But coming up next we are going to catch up
with Senior Political Correspondent Barry so Be standing by to
give us the latest of the kafuffle in Parliament. This

(57:31):
is going to be good. It's twenty six PAS two.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
We'll get back to the Private Eyes in just a minute.
But Tyler, you've got a guest in the studio. We
certainly do so. As we mentioned before, it all kicked
off in parliament. Are again Chloe Swarbrick ordered to leave
the house again as parliament met. Joining us now is
Senior Political Correspondent Barry Sofa.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Get a Barry.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Gooday, how are you lads? Very good? Thanks Barry so
Let's go back to the start of this yesterday. What
was Chloe Schwobrick's crime.

Speaker 13 (58:05):
Well, essentially calling the National Party and it's coalition cobbers spineless.
And you're not allowed under parliamentary rules to say that
MP's lack courage. Now a lot of us might think that,
but you're not meant to say it. So there's sort
of a parliamentary system that says you've got to keep
it a bit above board, although there's been so many

(58:29):
offenses in the past, like John Key once called or
accused Labor of supporting rapists and I can't remember what
the murderers, and nobody raising the objection. The National Party
applauded him, and nobody raising any objection. But he came
back subsequently and apologized. But so things happen, and DeBie

(58:52):
rah we were packer. You'd love to hear just a
few minutes ago used the sea word again. Yes, and
don't forget no Brook van Velden wasn't thrown out for
using that. And Jerry here's Jerry, Jerry Browne talking about
standards and the standards in Parliament in recent years have

(59:12):
gone through the floor, could you not. I mean you've
got people wearing and there's nothing wrong with this attire
wearing sneakers and jeans, T shirts, hats, no ties. I
mean there was a time that Parliament, because it's based
on the Westminster system, had a level of standard, but
it's got no standards now. And if you wear Jerry

(59:35):
where Jerry Brownly is, it's a really difficult house to control.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Yes, So do you think Jerry Browny was right to
kick her out yesterday or do you think he overreacted
and secondary question, has he lost control of Parliament?

Speaker 13 (59:50):
I think you know, in the first instance, I thought
the offense didn't didn't warrant being thrown out of the
house because you know, to call somebody spineless, so what
probably called me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Many times?

Speaker 13 (01:00:04):
Yeah, so I thought the offense wasn't that bad, but
to had insult to injury throwing her up for a week,
but it gave her all the publicity that Chloe s
brought Swarbrick and Milk from this. She had a question
on the order paper today. I think it was question
for so it was written down. She was meant to
ask it and I thought when I saw it, oh, hello,

(01:00:26):
she's going to come back in and apologize. That's what
you could be led to believe the fact that she
had a question there or she won't get to ask
it now because she's been hiffed down and rightly so
she said she refused to withdraw and apologize. She was named,
which is a pretty serious offense in parliament. So she's
out for the rest of the week.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Interestingly, though, Winston Peters, although New Zealand First, did vote
for her to be named. His has said that he thought,
what it.

Speaker 13 (01:00:58):
Must have been listening to me last night, actually because
I thought the crime didn't warrant the penalty. And essentially
that's what Winston said when he got up today. And
it was quite a courage for him to do so.
And of course he's the grandfather of the house. Nobody's
been there longer than him, so he felt that, look,
he had some currency. He got up, He looked at

(01:01:19):
the speaker in the eye and said, I just think
it was an over the top sentence, essentially, and I
think it was too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, so what happens now for Chloe, Well, she'll be.

Speaker 13 (01:01:31):
Back next week, so she's been given a week off.
I wouldn't mind being given a week off.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Lead is that without pay? She said?

Speaker 13 (01:01:37):
I'm not sure whether the name there will be a procedure.
I would imagine if you are named, they may docu pay,
so she may find herself. I haven't checked that, but
you know, being named is a pretty serious offense. And
if she then refused to leave, what happens then is
the sergeant at arm yes, which is normally an old
geezer on a zimmer frame, wheels it into the house

(01:02:01):
and is meant to clutch the member and take her
out of the house.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
What is that what she would like to see happen?
Do you think this is grand standing from her or
a legitimate protest?

Speaker 13 (01:02:09):
Totally grandstanding? I mean, you know, she had a passionate
view on what's going on in Gaza and what the
argument was all about. She had a bill that was
rejected in Parliament that was to impose sanctions on Israel,
and she said would the government support this if they
had you know, the courage or the spine, they would

(01:02:33):
support this. Coming back into the house and that's where
where she got into trouble. So she was extrapolating further
on what the debate was all about yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
So when she comes back to Parliament, is Jerry going
to ask her to apologize again? Or is that done?

Speaker 13 (01:02:46):
It's done, done and dusted.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Is this the is this the most difficult time? You know,
it seems like for Jerry Brownlee he's had a bit
of a rough time as a speaker or you know,
in your in your history as this typical of peaks
and troughs ofous.

Speaker 13 (01:03:00):
Parliaments, Peaks and troughs in parliament. But you know, I
think Jerry. I think he's really finding it really SEMs
to be because you know, if it was me in
the speaker's cheer, I'd be setting up throwing people out,
will he? But Jerry is very generous and says I
have another go at asking the question and no room

(01:03:21):
packing from the Maori Party today. I mean she's stood
up yesterday and she made points of order, so she
clearly doesn't understand the system in parliament. They were nothing
like points of order. They've got to be you know,
there's a form to do it in and you can't
get up and protest the way she does. So look,
I think Gerry's got the toughest job in that place

(01:03:42):
at the moment because it's so unruly. And to bring
them back, I think the Business Committee at Parliament should
be meeting and they should be reintroducing some standards to
make it the House of Representatives of New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Do you think this is just the new era, the
social media area, the TikTok era, where Parliament is an
opportunity to get some content to shove out on to
your followers, to rustle up some interest for your minor party.

Speaker 13 (01:04:09):
That's exactly what Chloe Swarburg will be doing now. And
the thing is that she's refused to apologize in the past,
so it's not new for her. It's a grandstanding exercise
by her, although in fairness to her, I don't think
she would have expected to have been thrown out in
the first place.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Yeah, Perry, fascinating times. Is always nice to catch up.
We'll see again soon, That is our senior political correspondent,
Barry Soper. Our headlines are coming up. Then when we
come back, we've got plenty of stories to get into
about private investigators. I love to hear your thoughts. One
hundred and eighty ten eighties. The number to call.

Speaker 14 (01:04:43):
Us talk said be headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's
no trouble worth a Blue Bubble Green's co leader Chloe
Swarbrick has been boosted from Parliament to gain today and
MPs have agreed to name her. Swawbrick didn't apologize for
comments made yesterday after she said New Zealand can stand
on the right side of her history on Gaza if

(01:05:04):
we find six of sixty eight government MPs with a
sp speaker. Jerry Brownlee says he won't allow those types
of disrespectful comments.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
I write Chloe Strawbrick to withdrawn apologize for an offensive
comment made in the House yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
I won't be doing that, Missus Speaker.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Then the member will leave the House.

Speaker 14 (01:05:24):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Thank you very much, Jody, and we're going back to
our discussion about private investigators.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Chris tell Ray, we'll be here afterfore with it full
full coverage of this current situation, Parlat with Chloe Schwarbrock.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Plenty more to come on that, absolutely, but we've had
so many texts come through on the old private investigator
and oh one hundred and eighty teen eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Yes, So we've got this private investigator that quit her
job at fifty to become a private investigator. She's now
making one hundred and ninety two dollars an hour and
says it's an absolutely exciting job. Cheating partners are a
big part of her business. Which has talked to Dan
before and he said cheating wasn't a big part of
his business. This Texas says, will not give my name.
I hired a private investigator a number of years ago.

(01:06:43):
He helped me rumble my ahole x husband for cheating
on this on me with this bitc h from his work,
come free and fair enough to We are now together.
I joined his firm. We now work together mainly cheating.
We make good money, usually doing poorly. Now, though that's interesting,
It sounds like that l TV show Heart to Heart together.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
So she got together with the PI. I mean sound
like magnum p I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
There mustn't be a code in the in the PI
the private investigator that you don't get with your client,
honestly not judging by Femfotel movies.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Ten eight is a number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
B Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Hello, just a Google Sorry for you guys, there.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Was a head of a Texas and good content coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
The stuff, you know, it sounded more like the blurb
for a movie than.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
Well, I'll tell you what, private investigators Now there's a
career move. I think I'd like to do that job
full time. Actually, so I do a little bit of
that in my own job, which is mainly focused on
employment empathy, but I am also required to serve documents,
and I am also required by various barristers to investigate

(01:07:58):
some things for them, and so sometimes I have to
look at documents and you have to be very careful
because sometimes when you're looking at it evidence, if it's
something that's going to be presented for court, you have
to be really careful. People will present you with a
problem normally when you're investigating, and you have to remember

(01:08:18):
that you've got to stay open because people will present
the problem from their own point of view, and as
a lot of investigators will understand, people don't tell you everything.
You find other things out later, and so when you're
when you're putting all these things together and you're investigating,
and depending what method you're using, you've got to be
careful about what evidence you come up with and then

(01:08:41):
how how that is going to be used. So I
think prime investigators that are really switched on people. It's
not an easy job. There's been a lot of hours
doing different stuff, and I really admire them. I've worked,
I've worked alongside a couple of them, and they're great people.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
So is your investigation more desk based and less pounding
that pounding the pavement be?

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
I know, I have been outside, and I've been outside
premises before documents are served too. I might have scope
for a premises two nights in a road to check
that that's the correct time to probably go and serve
something and in case they're not home during the day
or whatever. Other times, There've been other times I've had
other people in the car who were helping to investigate,

(01:09:28):
but I'm the lead, and I might One time I
had to stay outside a place which was supposedly a
non registered nightclub I guess you'd call it in bar,
and it had no sign of any entry door or
exit door. And then one night I'd been there for
two hours and then I just happened to look at

(01:09:49):
the door again and somebody came out, put their coach
on and didn't even look like a door and a
delivery went in there and I'd realized, okay, so that
was good. But you spend a lot of time watching
and you spend a lot of time reading things as well,
but you have to check stuff over and over again. Sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
What a fascinating job. So is it a talking about
that process serving? And we've all seen the movies where
it happens in America and you've got to deliver it
straight to the person's face because if you try and
send it via mail, they can ignore it all the
rest of it and it's some sort of legislation involved.
There are we the same as it. You have to
physically hand it to the person that's been served, or
else they can afford it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Dyland. Yes, in New Zealand, you have to physically have
it served. If you want to serve it some other
ways such as through email if you have an email address,
you might have a social media account or that another
way of direct communication. The party that needs it serve
needs to go to the court and get what the
court is called substitute of service. You have to actually apply.

(01:10:47):
You can't just use the person's email. You have to
actually apply to have a substitute of service instead of
face to face service. You have to actually apply and
have a substitute of service, and that does happen sometimes
We've had it happen here. Sometimes we can't get hold
of somebody because they're overseas, but they might actually have
an email address, so a substitute of service will be

(01:11:08):
FI and a judge mail may not allow that. And
if they do great yet to them by they get
sept them by email or by their social media account.
So there are ways around it instead of face to face.
But I've never had any problems really. One one guy
I served was probably three times my height, maybe twice
as fide and I was. He was quite a large guy,

(01:11:30):
but he took it. He took it very well.

Speaker 6 (01:11:34):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
I think when you're doing that kind of thing, your
attitude in terms of serving people is very important. So
you know, if you go on all aggressive and agitative,
that's what you're going to get back. So you know,
you just need to be your approach needs to be
the right balance.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
I'd say, now, b when you find a door that
wasn't there, or when you find something that someone's admitted,
you know, admitted from their evidence, and you find a
little mystery is there. Is it a buzz to that
that must be exciting when you when you realize that
someone's left something out that's important to the case and
you have found it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
So sometimes it's God and sometimes it's bad. I had
one client I was working with with the law firm,
and it was an employment case and the labor inspector
it was inspecting them and we didn't realize that this
was their second or third time and that actually been
done years ago and we didn't that didn't come to

(01:12:31):
light until a little bit later because we hadn't gone
as far back as we needed to know that they
were already on the inspector It's naughty list, and they
do have a naughty list, so to speak of here.
So that was in those cases, you just got to
go back to the party and say, look, we need
to have a conversation about this, and we understand this.

Speaker 16 (01:12:50):
You just talked to him.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
I've been fascinating to chat with you. Thank you very
much for giving us abuzz. One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call Love to hear your thoughts.
If you've used a PI before, you've been on the
receiving end, or you are a PI. Can you get
your stories?

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
I'm loving these secret lives of pis. We've got Dave
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Dogsb SO eleven to three.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
We're talking about private investigation as a profession. After Ali
Marsh became an investigator at fifty. She's making one hundred
and ninety two dollars an hour and she loves it.
She's pretending to be a dog walker, she's joining book
clubs to investigate people, she's surveilling and she's living her
best life. She thinks it's fantastic. How do you get
into the courses, says this text, Well from what I

(01:13:41):
can garner. To become a licensed private investigator in New Zealand,
you need to apply for a license with the Private
Security Personal Personnel Licensing Authority the psp LA, which is
part of the Ministry of Justice. You'll need to demonstrate
relevant investigative experience, either through prior work experience or by
completing approved training programs. Membership in the New Zealand Institute
of Private Investigators n z IPI can also be helpful

(01:14:04):
as they provide support and resources for private investigators.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
That is good news. Don't want too many cowboys out
there doing PI work, Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
You're a cowboy, are you, Dave?

Speaker 7 (01:14:15):
Oh no, no, no no. We're an Auckland based fan
that mostly do criminal defense with so a little bit
different to your previous callers.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
So what does you just explain to us what criminal
defense work is.

Speaker 7 (01:14:30):
So somebody gets charged by the police or customs or
whoever with a criminal offense, they say that they either
they didn't do it or that there's actually more evidence
to be gathered. So the lawyer will then engage a
PI like us to go and fill those gaps and
find those witnesses and basically complete the investigation because unfortunately

(01:14:52):
resourcing restricts a lot of investigation by government agencies. They
just don't have the resource to do the full job,
and so unfortunately, sometimes the wrong people are charged or
they are charged incorrectly and there's actually more stuff.

Speaker 16 (01:15:09):
To be looked at.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
So who's paying you for this work, Dave?

Speaker 7 (01:15:15):
Sometimes it's private. If the person has the capability, they
pay their lawyer and they pay the PI privately or
it's done through legal aid.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
And so are you looking for alibis, proving alibi's evidence
of where people are you know, that kind of stuff.
Is that what you're looking for?

Speaker 7 (01:15:33):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, alibis or interviewing other people who
were at the scene. When something's happened. You say, it's
a street fight and somebody's been seriously hurt, somebody gets
arrested and charged. There might be twenty people there that
have seen it happen. There might be four or five
of them that actually got spoken to. So inevitably there's

(01:15:54):
other people have seen what's happened in the lead up
the actual incident and afterwards who actually have something valuable
to offer that may completely change the ball game and say, well,
actually it wasn't that guy that did it, it was
the other guy, or actually it was provoked, or there
wasn't a weapon involved, or things that are material to
the case. It can actually make a big difference to somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Dave, how did you get into it, what training did
you do to get into it, and how long have
you been in the business.

Speaker 7 (01:16:23):
I've been in the business for over three three and
a half years now and either twenty seven years in
the police prior to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
That, a right, and so that's once you've had that
kind of investigative work in the police, that lines you
up pretty well to get your private security personnel Licensing
Authority card or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, your license.

Speaker 7 (01:16:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm going back to the cowboys question.
You definitely don't want cowboys doing this job. There's too
much at stake for people, So you have to have
suitably qualified and trained people, and obviously being well trained
in the police as kind of your golden ticket.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Yeah, I'm giving that. If I ever need a Pia Dave,
I'll be coming to you. You sound like a very
good one. We're going to play some messages, but Mack
very shortly. It is even to three, the issues that
affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News TALKSB. News TALKSB.
It is five to three. It's a good text. Hey guys,

(01:17:22):
I hired a second private investigator to spy on the
first private investigator. I suspect that he wasn't doing his
job properly. Turns out he was doing his job properly,
money well spent.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
It actually sounds like a good job. You always think
that you'll hear that, you know, it's not like it
is in the movies. But every private investigator we'll talk
about see it. It is a pretty good job. But
it is like real estate. So sometimes there's a lot
of people in the business and sometimes it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Business is booming at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
I know a couple. I know a couple of private instigators,
but they're all police officers, right, they've got the skills.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
They charge a pretty penny.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Ah, I don't know how many pennies they charge. One
of them drives a Porsche.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Know, they're doing pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
And there's someone here that says they know a private
investigator that drives the McLaren wo So that's some sort
of magnum p I type stuff, isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
It's good business for some right, good discussion, Thank you
very much. Coming up after three o'clock, let's have a
chat about screaming kids. It's all kicked off in the
tennis Emma radicanuh got very upset about a screaming child
in the crowds, told the umpire to get rid of
the child, and the umpire says, it's a child for
goodness sake, So this is going to be a great chat.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

(01:18:30):
to chat. Nine two nine two is the text number.
New Sport and Weather on its way.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
You're on new home for instateful and entertaining talk. It's
Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Afternoon to you. It is seven past three. Welcome back
into the program. So Emma RADICANU tennis Superstar. She is
getting some massive heat for calling for a crying child
to be ejected from the stadium in her battle with
world number one Arena Saberlinka. So crime is from a
child in the stands, talk her focus away, causing her

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top the service section and then have a chat to
the umpire.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Should we listen to the audio?

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Yeah, it's a child. Do you want me to send
the child out of the stadium? So it's a child?
Do you want me to reject it from the stadium?
And obviously you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
See with the audio, but she's she makes it you,
so of course you throw the child out of the
stadium so I can play my very important game. Of tennis.
Absolutely remove the innocent child, because what I do here
is so very important to the fabric of humanity. I mean,
tennis players, it's the most precious people in the entire world.

(01:19:54):
But I think this is symptomatic of how would I
put this, I think how low society is sunk that
the way we treat children, that we can't handle having
a screaming child around. I mean, do we realize that
we will all children once and for the vast majority
of evolution, children are running around screaming and yelling and

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being children around us, and that was just fine. And
at one point we got so precious. We can't even
handle a toddler in a cafe. We can't even handle
a bit of a noise in a tennis match, and
you actually shrug your shoulders that, of course you should
throw the child out. I just think, I think, look,
I think children on planes, absolutely fine, We've got it.

(01:20:38):
You know, just because you're a little human doesn't mean
you can't go from one place to another. Children in cafes,
absolutely fine. I don't care how much noise you make.
That's you know, are we saying that little people aren't
allud in cafes? I'm saying, and I also say, tennis
stop being so goddamn precious. Every other sport in the
world except for tennis and golf allow you to get

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noisy and snooker.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Yeah, no doubt they are sensitive players. Tennis absolutely is
the child stars syndrome for a lot of them. But
I am with Emma Retaka. When you've got a kid
screaming for ten minutes, when you're facing the number one
in the world and you're close to beating her, and
you could hear the crowd say yes, yes, get this
kid out of here. So it was a bit of
mob mentality. But on a plane is different. You've got

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nowhere to go, so absolutely child's Of course, children are
all out on planes and if they cry, then you've
got a grin and beartt that's what children do. But
if a cat is screaming at a cafe for ten
minutes straight, isn't it up to the parent to say,
come on, come on to me, we going, you're not
behaving yourself, You're out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
You can't handle it. So as as a grown adult
you can't handle the sound of a small child, what's
wrong with you? Hard en up?

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Well, what if I start yelling. Why does a child
get to scream and yell and have a tantrum? But
I can't. If I want to have a tantrum in
the middle of a cafe and people look at me
and say, what the hell is this guy doing? Get
them out of here. They'll call the police. You can't
call the police on a child.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
But people talk loudly and laugh at cafes. It get
them out in But also I think we should protect
our children and encourage and our children, have them around
and celebrate our children. And yes they don't know all
the rules of adults, but that that's fine. They'll get
beaten down by society soon enough. I think it's the
difference between humanists and extinctionists. Extinctionists, so humanists like me

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believe in the value, dignity, and potential of all human beings.
We generally support improving human welfare through reason, science, and compassion.
We're optimistic about humanity's future, whereas the extinctionists like you, Tyler,
are anti human. You believe that human humanity's long term
survival is not desirable and that humans should go extinct.
That's basically what you're believing here. If you think that

(01:22:43):
children shouldn't be around you while you're eating. Then you
basically think that you're the final generation.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
We've had a good run. Un let's end on a
bang oh one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Tony agrees with you, though, the self entitled witch should
have had the good grace and manners to remove her
misgrant bratt before needing to be asked which self entitled
which as you are you talking about, Emma or the
self entitle witch should have had the good grace and
manas to remove her miscreant bratt before needing to be asked. No,
I mean, so you don't know that we've got no

(01:23:16):
idea of the sex of the person with the child. Yeah,
we don't know if they.

Speaker 12 (01:23:20):
Are a.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Witch or not. Maybe they were a warlock, don't. We
don't know. But yeah, so you fiery text. So there
you go, so that you and Tony are on the
same page with that, and this.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Text actually agrees with you. Matt, Your bang on the
demonization of children is absolutely ridiculous. Do those people think
they win a child themselves at some stage? Grow up?
Children are the future?

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
They see? That person is actually you know, articulated in
a far better way than I have and far more succinctly,
and good on you think you know exactly the.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Phone lines have led up. If you can't get through,
keep trying. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty screaming
children a okay? Or should they have been removed from
the stadium?

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Oh, come on, Matt, don't be a moron? What more
and brings a child to such a tennis Matt where
the current protocols are be quiet. The moron should have
have to leave too spicy. Three morons and one text.
It could be a record.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
Twelve past three, very good afternoons. It is a quarter
past three, and we're talking about the heat that Emma
Radi Khanu tennis superstar is getting for asking the umpire
to eject a child who was screaming during play.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Yeah, it's extinctionists like this text to here. Humans are
destroying this earth. We don't need any more children. The
harder we make it for kids out in public, the
better for the planet, you idiot. I mean there are
people that believe that there's there's people that believe that
humanity's long term survival is not desirable and that humans
should go extinct. And I think it's being intolerant of

(01:24:53):
children as a manifestation of that belief.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Yeah, well, like this text a taser the little bugger
and it's quite full noise. I don't know if the
umpire can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yeah, whatoner for the next question? What do you want
me to tas her make the streaming worse?

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
Probably?

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
I think that's a particular Tennis but be able to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
do what on what's what was the name of it?
Like your taste of the kid, David, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (01:25:22):
Yeah it guys, I'm not an intensive extensionist. I've got
five children. We had We brought our children out.

Speaker 8 (01:25:29):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:25:29):
We if we wanted to go to a concert and
couldn't get a babysitter, we just didn't go. We wanted
to go to a noisy rabling edge, we couldn't get
a babysitter, we just didn't go. I don't know, if
you've watched the video on it, that child wouldn't know
what the difference between Tennis bourne his backside. You know,
this is the sort of thing that parents today have
a sense of entitlement that everybody should could tail to them.

(01:25:50):
Everybody should pay for the child. You know, I mean,
there was a time when if you had a child
with your responsibility and a child responsibil he studied when
he was old enough. He got home and the lights
went out in the streets. You know, he tentally on
for an hour, and then he went off. He went
did at proper time. It's just today parents feel that

(01:26:11):
their children's being targeted everything, whether it annoys anybody else
or not. And it's not about being extinctionist. If you
don't want it, screaming kidnets or something, you probably pay
one hundred and eighty dollars to go and watch.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Do you find kids running around a cafe annoying?

Speaker 16 (01:26:28):
David, No, I don't, and I've got four grandchildren. I
don't find them annoying at all. But you know, if
they run out and down the supermarket pulling things off
the shelf, I put a stop to it. If they
have a tensrum because they weren't given a lolly, I
put the groceries down to take them outside on back
in the car. What do you think about, doeople other
people's problems.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Do you find? Do you find kids? What about if
you've experienced kids crying on international flights and such?

Speaker 16 (01:26:56):
Yes, you know, and I don't have a problem of
kids crying and interestial flights because you're going you're going somewhere. Yeah,
you know, we're all going somewhere there. It's different. You're
talking about a choice to go to an event that
you want watch. That child didn't want to watch it.
Tennis match. That child wouldn't know what tennis was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
But I guess for me, I just don't see why
anyone cares so a baby's making some noise. I don't
know who who cares people make noise so so, I mean,
I've had I've had children. I just don't find the
sound of children particularly annoying. It's if there's if there's
a child making noise beside me, I'm like, okay, that's
you know. Sometimes there's a car driving pass. Sometimes there's

(01:27:33):
a loud train, sometimes there's a pneumatic drill, sometimes there's
a child. I feel happier to put up with the
sound of a child, because at least it's another human
experiencing the outside world. It just doesn't annoy me.

Speaker 16 (01:27:46):
I've heard you on the radio, excellent their radios off
so that you're not getting on the radio. Why does
it annoy you?

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Well, it's just because of repeating living No, No, I
mean it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't. It doesn't annoy
me at all that that. But it's just a professional radio.

Speaker 16 (01:28:04):
It annoys your listeners, doesn't that when when.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
When they have the radio on, it just gets into
this feedback Louke and and I worry that people. I
worry that people won't be able to understand what the
person is saying. Locality call doesn't worry me at all.
It's just we want, because we're an audio medium, we
want it to be as clear as possible. We don't
have any vision for it. So if there's a call
coming through, if it's at all possible, we want it
to be as clear as possible.

Speaker 16 (01:28:28):
And okay, so what about if there's somebody listening for
a very very fine sound of a ball just licking
the top of the net. Yeah, I mean, I just
want I just should that person be able to do
their job? The baby screaming in the air, Well, I
just I personally.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Think I think personally, I think personally, David, that that
tennis players are prissy and if they think their sport's
any harder than any other sport, that they need silence.
Then that's that's just a thing of history, I think,
and I mean, I don't think tennis is any harder
than any other sport. There's plenty of sports that are
just as difficult.

Speaker 16 (01:29:07):
But that's where you're coming from. That's what that's why
you're not looking at it in the sense that other
people have jobs where yeah, you couldn't have a you
can have a surgeon doing surgery of the child's scream
in the background, could you They wouldn't do it. There
are there are jobs, and you're pretty people like the
Australian bloke that would would whine when when anything would

(01:29:29):
go wrong. I mean, yeah, they are pretty and they
have a problem with that. But you're putting you're saying,
no child is a right dad with their child doesn't
know what their game is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
No, I just I just more I just more mean.
And look, maybe this is an extreme case, and I
can definitely see your side of it, David, and I
can see I just am saying generally, as a society,
I feel like they we're becoming less and less tolerant
of children in public. And I personally think it's because
people aren't having children until much later, so they haven't
experienced it. And look, David, you know it sounds like

(01:30:03):
you're a fantastic dad and you've brought out five really
well behaved kids. But I feel like have been around
a lot of kids as I have been in my life,
I just don't find it annoying, and maybe I just
don't understand. Personally, at a tennis match, I wouldn't mind,
but I get that other people would. And I just
hope that as a society we keep an open heart

(01:30:23):
towards children and we want more of them around us,
because I think that the world is a better place
with more children.

Speaker 16 (01:30:31):
Yep, a little bit of post children and we can
only go forward with children, but they don't have to
attend everything.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Yeah, thank you very much, David Dave. I appreciate that
good call. Look, there'll be a lot of young parents
out there now that would feel very embarrassed if their
child is screaming. But to your point, and I think
there's an element there that parents do feel like it's
taboo to bring their kids to these public arenas. So
it's that complexity, right that the nuance of course you're

(01:31:02):
allowed to take your children to these places, but then
it raises the question. If you see a peer aren't
struggling with a child that's having a tantrum, shouldn't you
go and help that parent rather than this judge and
say there's a screaming kid over there, shut that kid up.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Well you've changed your opinion. At the start you were
thinking get them out of the cafes. I don't want
any kids anywhere near me, and now you've flipped around.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
I sat. I reckon, it's a ten minute time limit.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
I don't know if Tyler coming over and trying to
comfort your kids going to help much. Have you not
been to a professional tennis match. There has to be silence.
There only has to be silence because people have said
there's been silenced. And I do get the point that
if you're taking a kid to a tennis match.

Speaker 10 (01:31:35):
You will.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
It's a risky freaking business because every single person that
goes with a tennis match knows that that but is silent.
And part of me enjoys that because I got been
to a ASP Classical whatever it's called now, Heineken Open
whatever it's called now a lot, and part of me
just does enjoy that silence and the focus in on
that game. It does make it quite intense. But I
do think tennis is a pressy sport and I don't
think it's any harder than any other other sport. And

(01:31:58):
I think that silence that they have at tennis is
just it's a matter of history.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What do you think
about the situation with Emma Ratakanu and screaming kids and public?

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Yeah, you know, maybe that's an edge case. Okay, let's
just say, do you think it's okay for kids to
run around a cafe? Do you find it annoying having
to put up with kids making noises in public spaces?

Speaker 6 (01:32:21):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
Twenty three past three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on US Talk ZB News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
It is twenty five past three and we're talking about
screaming children in public. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Angela here, I'm a mum. I agree with that last
call of the tennis match is not a bloody crash.
Maybe the toler needs a bit of discipline. Churchyard to
have a crying room for kids and babies that were noisy.
If my kids played up like that, I would taser them.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Not all that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
If my kids played up, they learned not too early.
By the time they were two, they could go anywhere
and behave therex Well, lots of fatherless kids out there,
Matt's beend free time in their zone.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
One.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Doesn't make any sense that she lost the plot there. Yeah,
nine too. If you want to send tex Scott, how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 9 (01:33:18):
Not too bad?

Speaker 16 (01:33:19):
Chaps yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Bloody good? Thanks for calling Scott. You reckon. Kids are
getting noisier and more disruptive.

Speaker 17 (01:33:25):
So yeah, I don't mind people having kids, and I
don't mind attending things, going to cafes, restaurants, in planes,
public spaces whatever. What I do mind is the fact
that the kids start to kick off and the pearents
don't do anything about it. We've went holiday in Fiji

(01:33:48):
last November. Was in the resort and it came to
dinner time. There was a lady there from Australia. She
had like a three year old toddler with her. The
toddler a get up and start wandering around all over
the dining wall. Go and start grabbing stuff off other
people's tables, et cetera. But unfortunately, this lady would just

(01:34:09):
get up with a thoughtful of food and chase after
the kid and stand the kids still feed him the food,
and then just let him carry on. It's you know,
you've got to be able to control and were not
like hurt, but discipline your children. And they've got to
understand from a young age that you just don't misbehave.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
So, you know, in that kind of situation, So if
a kid runs over and is hanging around your table,
you don't like that, you don't. You wouldn't talk to
the kids. You wouldn't look at the kid and go on.
That's cut would I would talk.

Speaker 17 (01:34:45):
To the child, And I've got no worries about talking
to the child or or whoever. What I would object
to is if the kids started checking off and making
horrendous noise and or started grabbing food off my plate,
which this kid was doing.

Speaker 6 (01:35:02):
That's the whole other story.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
The kid was about three years old, you see, three
threes too too old to be running around and grabbing
food off other people's place. Yeah, yeah, I mean, Scott
that there's better and worse parents and that does sound
like a kind of a rubbish parent. But but you're okay,

(01:35:26):
So there are edge cases and such, but you generally
believe that you enjoy having kids out in public and
having them runnyway you have. Do you have kids at all,
Scott If you don't my masking, No, I don't.

Speaker 17 (01:35:38):
Unfortunately, it's just the way life role.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
I mean.

Speaker 17 (01:35:41):
But you know, I've I've looked after other people's kids,
not taking nephews and nieces out and about in places
and you know, taking them parks and cycling and events
and stuff like that. So you know, I know what
it's all about, you know, as you say, once upon
a time we were kids. Yeah, and unfortunately, I suppose

(01:36:02):
unfortunately fortunately I'm nearly fifty, but I grew up in
the area kids were seen.

Speaker 5 (01:36:07):
And not heard.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Yeah, Yeah, it's an interesting one because I guess the
reason why I'm hitting so much pushback on this is
because it's the tennis situation. I've always thought that tennis
is a pressy sport full of prissy prima donnas that
get angry at the ball people for not handing the
ball the right ball to them. All those kind of
things we've seen all these stories of tennis people, and

(01:36:29):
I just don't think tennis is a particular sport where
it needs to be quiet over any other sport. And
I don't think that there are any particularly better athletes
than any other given sport, you know, you know, I
take the case of the NFL, So can I just
finish my point, Scott and they'll get back to you.
But then someone texted something through that hit me. How
would I feel if I was watching a movie and
there was a kid crying in the movie and I thought, well,

(01:36:51):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
Like that, would I.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
So really, my blind spot in this is I just
think that it's sports. You should be able to talk.
And it's not so much of a problem of for
kids making a lot of noise at a cricket match
or a rugby match, because there's a lot of noise around.
And yes, I mean.

Speaker 17 (01:37:10):
Tennis. Here is a sport that I gave the major
player or the major events. Yes, it has to be quiet,
or they prefer quiet. But you go up through the
ranks and you've got cars driving past, you've got people talking,
you've got other games going on five or so three
meters away from here. So's it's just you know, it's
how it goes. But here you're right to professional tennis

(01:37:33):
paths that we see on the TV, they can be
a little bit demanding and a bit prissy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
We can all agree on that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
I think, Hey, thank you so much for your call, Scott.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (01:37:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. We've got headlines with Jody coming up, but
we've got full boards. If you can't get through, keep trying.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
People are angry at me because I think I believe
that children are our future. Teach them well and let
them lead the way, show them all the beauty they
possess inside. I believe this give them a sense of
pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind
us of how we used to be. And I'm getting
a lot of push back because I believe I've.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
Almost got a tear moil. I thank you very much.
Twenty nine two for.

Speaker 14 (01:38:14):
You talk said the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's
no trouble with the Blue bubble ructions in Parliament into
a second day with Chloe Swolbrick again told to leave
and being named. She's refused to withdraw or apologize for
asking government MPs to show a spine on sanctioning Israel
over Gaza. Despite MPs including Chris Hipkins and Winston Peters

(01:38:38):
calling the Green Co leader's expulsion disproportionate and against traditions,
a vote sent her out again. Today, Prime Minister Chris
Luxen has made his strongest comment yet on Gaza, saying
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(01:39:02):
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(01:39:23):
de merging at Tapookinger Scott Robertson faces a dilemma with
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Gregorpool's full column at anzat Herald Premium. Thank to Matt
Heathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Thank you very much. Jody, So having a great discussion
about screaming children in public.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Yeah, that's right. How do you feel about kids? And well,
it's not just screaming children. You keep putting screaming child
in there to try and push your argument. There's no
screaming child, and it's just a slightly noisy child. And
so I just believe that as a whole we need
to be more tolerant of children because we need them
for the good of our species. Hey, I think people
should take a cement pill. S this it's text are

(01:40:04):
and hard enough. Most people try their best, and let's
be real, it's life, and it's most innocent and fun.
It's life and it's most innocent and fun. But at
the same time, there is a time to pack up
and leave if they begin to misbehave too much. As
your other guests alluded to, they don't really understand the
adult situation they find themselves in. Here's a thought, take
the kid by so many texts coming through, I can't

(01:40:27):
read this one. Where are we a fun time? There's
the adult situation. Here's a thought, take the kids to
family type events, not adult ones that they just don't
have attention span for adult events. Yeah, I mean, I
think there's some truth in that that taking a child
to tennis is a risky operation. But what I'm really

(01:40:51):
pushing back on is the reaction of the tennis player,
Emma Ratikanu Kanu. She was like so incredibly prissy about it,
and the hatred of children in her face over her
important little sport disgusted me. And I just think it
was symbolic of a wider intolerance towards children.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
It was pretty smug, I'll give you that. Looking at it,
we smile on your face, but can you hear your views?
Oh eight hundred eighty ten to eighty, Hey, guys, sorry,
but you're way out of line. Read tennis and children.
Look how often players stop just because people are going
to their seats.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Or moving around. At Emma's level, there's a lot at
stake when serving. There is a lot of focus on
the action and rhythm involved, and to be starterbar child
is not on. There is a time and a place,
and a high level tennis match is not for children.
I think you might be biased about tennis. Yeah, I
think that's true. What about darts, Well, you can be
as loud as you want it. Darts and other sports
that require an intense focus. My comments are in no

(01:41:45):
way anpty children, but as a tennis player, I understand
the circumstances of Emma's response to the umpire. The umpire
could have requested the child's guardian to be understanding. Best witches, Mike,
thank you, thank you for the for the text there.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
Yeah, good ticks, Mike, thank you very much. Juliet's how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (01:42:06):
Oh? Hi?

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
Ike has actually covered everything, really, But tennis is unique
because you can only really leave your seat when the
players change ends, So you can't just get up and
bring a child out like you can in a church
or at a movie, So you're stuck with them until

(01:42:33):
the players change ends. And I mean, we've seen medical
situations and other things that happen, and it does disrupt
the match. But you know, I've been to Wimbledon and
the Aussie Open, and I've been up at two in
the morning still watching, you know, the last of the matches,

(01:42:54):
and some people get a little bit drunk or whatever.
But generally speaking, the people that save their money to
go to tennis matches are very devoted and it's just
too common plex a game.

Speaker 8 (01:43:10):
To have.

Speaker 5 (01:43:12):
Unpredictable behavior from a child. I'm not blaming the child,
but you know, a game can go on for ages
if it's got lots of duces, So little Johnny could
be screaming for fifteen minutes before the players change ends.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
So you think, just you think, just don't take a
child to the tenis. It's not not the place for
a child. It's a young child, yeah, like age under
a crying age, Well you can't stop them crying kind
of age, yeah, or just knowing that.

Speaker 5 (01:43:43):
They have to keep quiet maybe for ten minutes. But
it's also if they if you're not understanding the game,
it would be boring for a young child. If they
could get hot, they could be hungry. I just think
once they are old enough to understand it and they
love it, then they won't be kicking off in the

(01:44:05):
middle of a match.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Now, Juliet, explain to me, because look, I've played a
bit of tennis in my time, and I've been to
watch tennis, and why is it that tennis needs to
be quiet, where say cricket doesn't. So cricket batsman, they
seem to be able to play in incredibly loud areas
while someone steaming in and bowling at potentially one hundred
and fifty kilometers an hour at them. Why is it

(01:44:27):
that tennis needs quiet where other games don't.

Speaker 5 (01:44:30):
And I mean I do play into club at a
very you know, junior level, but it's something about the
ball toss.

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
And just.

Speaker 5 (01:44:40):
The rhythm of just like if you're waiting to serve
and then some suddenly goes ooh starts hackling yeah, and
you're already in motion. It's kind of hard to explain.
But then I've played inter club where they've been cutting
the grass and it's constant lawnmowers and that's okay because

(01:45:04):
they're going to be twenty minutes doing those lawns. So
it's constant noise, but it's sus bellow or a dream.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Well do you think that's because Juliet, because it is quiet,
So any noise that comes out, as you know, more distracting,
as opposed to say at a cricket cricket match where
there's just a rumble of noise then the entire time.
Although Test matches which are often poorly attended, you'll you'll
hear someone yell out, just as as the bowl of bowls.
But do you think that's it because because it sticks through.

(01:45:35):
I was when I was at the Tennis and Auckland
over the summer when Naomi Osaka was playing. Suddenly this
car came down the hill and there was a huge
backfire right in the middle of it. I was like,
it was you're so close to the motorway there that
you can't can't stop that.

Speaker 5 (01:45:54):
And there was a champagne cork the other week. I mean, yeah,
these things happened, But when you have a squawking child.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
Yeah, look, look, Julia, I think I can agree with
you on that one. And the person that texted through
before and the sort of an example that hit me
because something I really care about was I would get
annoyed if I'd paid to go to a movie and
someone was screaming and you know, a kid was screeching
through the movie, and I'd expect someone to walk out.
So I try and get that. But Juliet, how do
you feel about kids running around cafes and and and such.

Speaker 5 (01:46:25):
You're probably talking to the wrong person, because that really
annoys me. It also annoys me when I've been in
Fiji on holiday and they've got the paws. Sorry, I
like cats. They have their hands in the buffet that

(01:46:47):
I want to help myself to my scrambled egg.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
See, I would never let I would never let my
kid get its snotty little paws into the buffet. That
is that is too far even, Juliet.

Speaker 5 (01:47:00):
Well, I've seen that happen, and yeah, it's not pretty.
And that's why buffets can be You know, you can
pick up bugs from buffets when jersey hands are climbing
into them.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Oh well, thank you so much to be called just
before you go. Where's your accent from Juliet from Dublin,
lovely beautiful voice. Thank you so much, and thank you
for sharing your opinion on this. I really appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Thanks Juliet. What a great call. Coming up next someone
who agrees with you, Matt, that it is way tougher
now raising children than it's ever been. Her name is Zoe,
So we're gonna have a chat to her next. It's
going to be good. It is seventeen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call,
Oh eight hundred eighty gen eighty youth talk. Zi.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
It is a quarter to four, Zoe, very good afternoon
to you. So you think there is a bit more
intolerance in society now with those with children.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Yeah, yeah, I do.

Speaker 18 (01:48:04):
I think it's intolerance generally actually, But yeah, I definitely
think people people like things the way that they that
they like things. But I also think there's probably a
reason why we're taking taking our children around and about
with us a lot more often than other generations.

Speaker 8 (01:48:22):
Might have done.

Speaker 18 (01:48:23):
And why is that, Zilli, Well, I feel I guess
I feel like when I look around, I've got I'm
right at the call face. We've got four teenagers with
my husband and I have raised them together. And when
I look around at a lot of a lot of
the families I know in our community, people just don't
often have a lot of the close family or village
support that they would have had in other generations and

(01:48:45):
which some cultures still have today. But we're often sort
of doing it by ourselves. If we if we want
to go and do something and we need babysitting, we
have to pay handsomely for it. It's not something that's
sort of necessarily just available. So if you, yeah, if
you want to go to a cafe or you want
to go and watch sports, then often it is something
that the kids.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Have to come to Now, I'm not judging anyone or
having any say on this, whether it's right or wrong,
But do you think that potentially some of the intolerance
towards children is that a lot of people are having
children later in life, because I feel like since I
had killed kids, I remember being one of those the
kids that would get annoyed on a plane because some

(01:49:24):
kid was crying, because I just didn't understand that from
the parents' perspective, how the parent is going through hell
at that point. They're not being selfish to the parent.
But when you've got to cry, you've got to take
your kid. Maybe you're going to a funeral. Who knows
why you have to travel. Sometimes humans have to travel, right,
And you've got a care and it's crying on the plane.
And once you've had kids, you are way more tolerant

(01:49:45):
of someone having a crying kid on the plane.

Speaker 18 (01:49:49):
Well, I know that my attitude suddenly changed after I
had them, compared with before. I remember a friend I
said to her afterwards, why didn't you just bring your
baby to our wedding? And she said, you wouldn't have understood. No,
I think you're on I think definitely onto something there.

(01:50:10):
And we see it. We see it all the time,
and we're all changing and learning all the time, aren't we.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Yeah, I mean that. I mean I can see your
nuance there. And let's go back to bringing an infant
or a child into a tennis match. I can understand
that that if you've got young parents and it's harder
now than it's ever been to get that support, they
shouldn't be excluded just because their parents. In fact, we
should be encouraging people to be parents to have more children,
as you say, Matt. But it's that balance, right that

(01:50:36):
then if the child starts misbehaving and being a little
bit crazy, then maybe at that point just help them
out of the stadium for a couple of minutes.

Speaker 18 (01:50:46):
Yeah, yeah, And I think I would like to think
that if I was in that situation, I would have
left the stadium of my own choice and come back
when the child settled had settled down. I think it's
got to come from both ways.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Well, I think it's absolutely a bold move, as I
keep saying, to take your kid to the tennis, because
whether I agree or not, and I don't actually agree
that tennis should be quiet and I don't agree, it's
a more complicated sport than any other sport. Every orders
played to the absolute d degree of skill at some level.
But I do think you don't go to the tennis

(01:51:17):
and not know that it's very, very quiet, and having
a kid there is a risky business. But I guess
I think the intolerance people have for kids at cafes
and such, I see that more and more, and you know,
I don't think that's a good thing. I think, you know,

(01:51:37):
if they're putting the snotty fingers in the buffet, I
get it. But if they're just running around having a giggle,
grabbing your trouser leg.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
Then go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Hey, thanks so much for your calls, so I really
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
Yeah, what a great call. There's plenty of teachs coming through.
But we've got to play some messages. But we'll get
to a few more of those. It is eleven minutes
to four.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
A tennis player must have total concentration. Everything is dependent
on the player. Cricket not so much, duh, says Margaret.
Or maybe it's no cricket. If you're a batsman faith
seeing someone bowling a swinging delivery at one hundred and
fifty kilometers an hour, you have to have absolute concentration,
and it is a team smart sport. Absolutely cricket and

(01:52:18):
I know a bit about the sport. You did team sport,
but at that point it's actually an individual sport. It's
you versus the bowler, and cricket players seem to be
able to play in quadrons of screaming and yelling and
abuse and cheering and singing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
We can agree on that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
It is ten to four the big stories, the big issues,
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Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
News talks there B. It is seven to four. A
couple of texts to wrap this one up, guys, I agree.
It sounds like she was being up at the tennis
player that said I did kick up a fuss when
my Auntie Jewels wouldn't remove my screaming cousin while I
was concentrating super hard to remove a knee bone and
a game of operation.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
On now it's god in a game of operation. That
is the key point.

Speaker 3 (01:53:08):
Yeah, you can't have a screaming cab when you play
an operation.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
I thought she had that. The kid and the operation.
This is a surgeon, boys, My Mum once said, kids
like horses. When they are young, they need to be
corralled in a bar and looked after and trained at
the same time, knowing where the boundaries are. As they
get older, they can move to a ring to continue
their training, but still knowing where their boundaries are. Then,
when they are older, they can move to a paddock
to experience more what life offers, until one day you

(01:53:33):
leave the gate open and let them run free. This
is beautiful knowing that each part of their life there
are rules and boundaries. It's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Smart mum.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
John the Stexas says, Matt, you're a muppet and I
know you're just saying stuff to annoy people. I've followed
your career and you sometimes do this. I believe you
have a lot of time for kids, but at the
tennis you know you're pushing it. As I said, you're
a muppet.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
But I love the show two Muppets in there.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
I had three more arms and another ten.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
And one more guys. I live on Wayhaki and the
amount of kids I see being dragged along the on
a tonguey straight from one vineyard to another is so
boring for the kids. By the time to last vineyard.
The kids have completely and understandably lost the plot. So
this is on the parents to seriously think if it
is a good idea to bring your kids to a
vineyard while you're drinking that lovely pinon from Maria.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
Oh yeah, all right, well drink enough pan and warre
and you become a screaming child. So nicely said join
the party. Yeah right, thank you very much. What a
great show today.

Speaker 5 (01:54:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Absolutely, And I'll tell you what you know. I get
a lot of abuse on the show and I love
it and enjoy it. One n eighty ten eighty, Tell
me what you think, you thrive on it. But saying
that I believe that children are a future, treat them
well and let them lead the way. It was just
the thing that really got people annoyed, and it just
to me, it just sort of proves that this little

(01:54:53):
a little bit of anti child sentiment out there.

Speaker 7 (01:54:56):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
Anyway, thank you so much for listening to the show,
and thanks for all your calls and text. The full
Matt and Tyler Afternoons podcast will be out in an
hour or so. If you missed our chats on what
Auckland needs to get humming and the Sea Lives of
Private Eyes. That was a great chat. Then follow our
Potter your pod Tyler, Why would I be playing this
song from Whitney Houston.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
Creates love of All? Is it something about the children
are our future?

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
They are titled let them Scream at the tennis, let
them put their snotty fingers in the buffet and Fiji,
let them run a Mars.

Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
Beautiful song and beautiful sentiments. Thank you very much, as.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
I say, thank you so much for listening to the
show here the duplasy Ellen will be up next with
all all the coverage you need on the Chloe Schwarbrook
situation in Parliament until tomorrow afternoon. Give them a taste
of ki we a from me and Tyler. All right, Dan,
love you, we.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
Can take.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
Be It's happened, I.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
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