Full Show Podcast: 13 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, Great New Zealands, and welcome to Matton Tyler Afternoons
Full Show Pod number one two three. Had a great
chat today. We finally got round to the sixiness of
Bridge and we really laid into those plant based meats.
I feel a bit bad, actually, we really put the
veat I didn't want. I didn't mean to put the
boot into vegetarians as much as I did. I am
problem with vegetarians. My mum was a vegetarian. Yeah, but

(00:37):
I do have a problem with things that aren't meat
calling themselves meat. Just them just call it what you.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Want to call it a lot more anger than I expect.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Not just call what it is. It's a lintal roast,
it's not a meat load. Don't be a liar. Yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
We also had a bit of chat about renting, visus owning.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, no thought I thought it was good. And look
I derided you Tyler. You did about your topic. You
want to talk about love and Bridge, But I got
to say it ended up being my favorite hour. Next
getting into the show, exactly there you go.

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Speaker 3 (01:23):
ZB, Good afternoon, welcome to the show. Tune your Mike gone, Tyler.
That's a good way to start when you're on radio.
I hope you're doing well. Where have you listening in
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Speaker 2 (01:38):
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That'd be huge.

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He'll definitely be here.

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Speaker 3 (02:22):
And there was something else that you wanted to just
get off your chairs, was her mat.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I was talking to you about this off Hea Tyland.
But as often our chats over a coffee, you then
put me on the spot on here.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
I just like to bring our listeners and all of
New Zealand into this situation because you know they've got
a lot of experience combined experience.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Okay, So how much patting of the dog should there
be compared to padding of the partner? So I think
that my dog gets too much attention from my partner
compared to the amount of attention I get. I think
when we wake up in the morning and the dogs
jumped up on the bed and there's tickling and padding

(03:03):
and scrunching of the ears going on for the.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Dog, you want some of that action as well, least equal,
at least equal, at least pat parity. So I want
myne ears scrunched as much I'm ideally more than the dog. Yeah,
but I think there's just a problem in society where
the dogs are getting more attention than the partners. You know,
it's amanding pit parity. That is a nice, nice slogan

(03:26):
to put on a bumper stick.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I want my belly scratched at least as much as
my dog's getting its belly scratched.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I think in the morning, straight to the dog, and
the dog gets at least eighty percent more than the human.
When you get home from work, straight to the dog
and the dog gets fifty percent more than the human
in that scenario, unless there's something that's happened in the
human's life that you need to console them first, and
then you console them just for a little bit, and
then straight to the dog, because you know the dog

(03:52):
is going to give you a glowing reception, whereas the
human could go either way, could go fifty to fifty.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Tyler, I will deliver a very glowing reception.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
You do love to be paid, You too, love to
be pet I'll glow, yeah, absolutely well two pat parent, Yeah,
love to hear from you. Right on to today's show,
and we do have a big show for you today
after three o'clock Bridge. It is getting a bit of
a revival. This is the card game. It is by
all accounts quite a complex card game. You have to

(04:22):
be very clever to undertake it. But it is being
called then you tint in some circles, as in younger
people turning up to the bridge club playing some bridge
and fine in love?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, I mean is that a real thing? Has bridge
the place to find love? And you know, are there
young people playing bridge?

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Because generally speaking bridge? Right, well, you know what is
young to play bridge? What are you talking? You're talking people?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, under thirty would be young to play bridge.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Because because historically people start playing bridge in their fifties, right, yeah,
they turn fifteen, they start playing bridge. Yeah, right, you
have to be smart to play bridge, you do. Yeah,
and so that sort of rules me out from playing
it and unfortunately yeah, but yeah, I mean, if you
are playing bridge, if you notice that people are that
are hooking up, you know, because you're not out of
touch toes under the table because that'd be signaling to

(05:10):
your partner, so you can't be paying for so yeah,
you know, if you're playing foot see, it would have
to just be playing footsa in an amorous way, not
in a communicative way.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, what is it about bridge that get you a
bit excited and how did you find love? At the
Bridge Club? That is after three o'clock up after one o'clock,
we want to have a chat about renting versus owning.
So an interesting story in the Herald today. Renters in
many parts of the country are in prime position as
the number of rental listings they have to choose from
Richard's record levels. So that seens some landlords try and

(05:42):
up the offer to get tenants into their properties, and
they're offering all sorts of things, including discounts on the
rent for three months if they move in. They are
offering visa cards to tenants to pop in a couple
one hundred bucks to try and get them over the line.
That is an interesting position for landlords to be in.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Isn't it funny because we think there's a big disaster
going on and then it just flips completely the other way,
isn't it? So at one point there's no how as
the rents are going through the roof, and then it.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Just flips the housing crisis, that's right.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, So we were freaking out about it, and then
is it changes that the government have made that are
allowing rents and moving the market. Well, what is it.
I don't know, but what do you think Because you're
doing both tyler.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Well renting, And this is the question one will put
to you, renting versus zoning, and the current point in time,
I've got to say renting has a lot of benefits
to it. One, you don't have to worry about maintenance,
you don't have to worry about the insurance side of things,
you don't have to worry about rates. We're still doing
all of those things in our property down at gross Ditch.
But if you were just solely renting, that is a

(06:44):
heck of a lot of benefits for people at the moment.
They don't have to worry about those extra costs. Right
what are you giggling about here?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
There's about a thousand techs to come through on my
pat parody. Oh yes, push with your partner this text
that you said, next you'll be wanting to pick up
your lip. You're next, you'll be wanting her to pick
up your leavings.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Got good text, good tecks. But that is after two o'clock,
because right now, let's have a chat about plant based meats.
Is at the end of the road for the plant
based meats being supreme, It is the latest plant based
protein brand to exit the market. Production rather is currently
being scaled back and the products will not be available
past July. So Being Supreme had become a bit of

(07:26):
a glowing star in New Zealand with its offerings of
these fake meats or plant based meats, but it's not
the only one. There were, and there still is. They
still exist. The Impossible Meat Company, the Impossible Burger was
huge when it launched them. Beyond Meat was another big
one in the US, and these companies had a lot

(07:47):
of hype behind them. A lot of people, me included,
thought this was going to be the next big thing,
and turned out I was horribly wrong. That people just
want to eat meat, real meat.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, it's not healthy, So that part of it's out.
These plant based meats aren't healthy. If you look at
the back of the package, it's got four thousand ingredients
and none of them seem healthy. So that so if
you're going to it for health reasons, I think people
have found out that's that's not not it. You know,
like maybe you could argue that vegetarianism for health reasons whatever.

(08:19):
If you're just punishing a broccoli all the time, healthy fine, lentils,
go for it. But when it's put together into these
plant based meats, they're not healthy. You know, whole foods
are healthy, and it doesn't taste like meat. So my
thoughts on this, And I make a fantastic lentil roast,
Don't get me wrong. I make a great lentil roast.
It's a Heath Family recipe and it is absolutely delicious,

(08:41):
and I'll put it on the plate on a Sunday
roast in the weekend. I mean there will also be
roast beef there as well.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Good, But I don't go calling it a meat loaf.
That's that's where we've got the problem.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
That's underhanded.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
You fine, make your petty, but call it a plant paddy,
don't call it. Don't start calling it meat. Name like
topics especially makes me angry when they're calling these, you know,
calling things milk that aren't milk, you know, at best,
their plant juice. So I think the whole things gets
a little bit dishonest. But I also think people have
a sort of a disgusted by it. So I don't

(09:15):
mind having a vegetarian sandwich. That's fine, yeah, but if
someone says that I'm having a Burger and it's got
a plant based meat patty. For some reason that disgusts me.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
What about And I think Hell's Pizza still does this.
They call it the Beyond Meat Pizza, and I've tried it,
and I've got to say it's pretty close to the
real thing, but you can tell that it's not real meat.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
And as I understand.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
It, they do. They used to do quite a good trade.
I think it's fallen off quite considerably now. But when
you look at that style, and clearly there was a
market for Hell's Pizza to put that on their menu,
But you think now people have woken up to the
fact that why the hell am I eating fake meat?
If I want meat, I'll just eat meat. If I
want to go vegetarian, I'll just eat veggies. I don't
need this Frankenstein mesh up, yeah, to try and get

(10:01):
me over the line.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Plus, it's traitorous to our our primary industries, you know,
you know, we make milk and we make meat. So
let's not let's not undercut our farmers.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Let's get into this. I eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. How do you feel about these plant based
meats that came to the market with a lot of
hype but appeared to be dropping off. Love to hear
your thoughts and if you're vegetarian, did you ever buy
into this? Was this ever something that you were into genuinely?
Did it help you go to a barbecue and you
felt kind of normal having your your vegetarian sausages or

(10:34):
did you just think this is crazy. I'm just going
to eat veggies and nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, and look, if you love these plant based meats,
well I've got to call them something different. We have
to for the for the case, for the argument. Yeah,
let's call them plant bait me plant based meats, but
they're not meat anyway. If you love them and you
think they're fantastic and you're all over them, ring us
up and tell us why we're wrong. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty, ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
It is sixteen past one. Beg very shortly here on
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Speaker 1 (11:00):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used Talk said.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Very good afternoon to you. We're talking about plant based
meat options, and I know that sets people when we
are calling up plant based meats. But that is what
a lot of these brands called them to try and
get in on the market of meat eaters. But this
is on the back of being supreme. It is the
latest plant based protein brand to exit the market. Production
is currently being scaled back in the products will not

(11:30):
be available past July.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Jerry says, why does it need a fake meat name?
Why not just call it a vegetarian steak. It seems
to be all tied up with this woke liberalism. When
did a betroot eggplant burger patty needs to be called anything?
But what it is? The problem isn't with the product.
The problem is with the marketing. That's the whole thing.
Why it's like stolen valor. You're saying that this is

(11:55):
you're using the good name of a product, but you're
not selling that. You know, Yeah, you're selling this Frankensteining
and monster that's imitating the thing but using its name.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
So you've upset everybody. You've upset the meat eating people
because not meat. You've upset the vegetarians because you're calling
it meat.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah noo. If you're a vegetarian, then you want to
eat a fake sausage or a fake Paddy whatever. Go
for your life, don't but don't pretend it's anything different.
As I said before, I make a lental roast, I
call it a lental roast. I don't call it a
meat roast.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah. Well, I mean the argument from a lot of
these brands, and this analogy might not quite be apt,
but I think they saw it as almost like a
nicotine patch that if you want to come off meat
and try and have a healthier diet, then here's a
weed transition element for you to get into vegetarian options.
But I get your point that if you look at

(12:45):
the ingredients and some of the stuff, it is certainly
not healthy. I'll had one hundred and eighty ten eighties
the number to call Eric your thoughts on this.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Ah, jeez, guys, great topic. The thing is it's not meat.
I'm not anti vegetarians or anti vegans or prescatarians or
you know the lgbt Q of nutrition. But the thing
is like when they used to be called veggie burgers
and you're going burgers. At least it's not a hamburger

(13:12):
or vegetable sausages. I mean, our daughter was a pescatarian,
so she just ate freshing. But you know, so we
got the stuff and I started wandering around supermarkets and
it's you know, chicken burgers, and I go, oh, they're
look interesting packaging. Slip it over. It's full of rabbit
food numbers for Africa and it's like, no, don't and

(13:33):
I sweat treated almost the good Lord. The reason that
industry is tanked is they were trying to pretend to
be something they're not. Yes, And I think if they
just stayed in their lane and said this is a
veggie burger or a beetroot burger or a you know,
whatever burger or sausage, it would have been fine. But
when they started putting it in the supermarket amongst the meat,

(13:56):
I reckon, that's when they blew it.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Record guys, chick piece sausage, check Piet sausage. That's fine.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
It is getting home frying up your burger says it's
chicken burger.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
Whatever.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
You take your mouthful of it, it tastes like either
nineteen fifties Russian black bread or burnt cardboard.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Well, I've got annoyed in the office before when I've
run out because I've heard that the sausage rolls on
and then you get out and you grab your sushage roll.
You're so excited you've skipped out there, and then you
dip it in the sauce and you buy it into
it and it's a vegan sausage roll. Yeah, it's not
even a proper sausage roll.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
That betrayal went deep for you, didn't it. I mean
you've mentioned that a few times and that that is
some deep betrayal when that happens.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Thank you for your call.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Eric, Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I'm vegan. I cooked meat for my family, but I
don't eat it. I don't bear I can't bear the
fake meat thing. It tastes too much like meat to
enjoy it for me. If you want to eat meat, fine,
If you want to be vegan, eat tafu. That pretend
meat has always made me feel ill. And it's a
mega money too. That's from Sam. Thank you for your
for your text.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
It is a very good point.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
There's also a judgmental nature to it as well. It's
beyond me. It's like what you're doing now is the
past and what we're doing is the future.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, that's definitely what they were going for. But just
smugness about it.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Just have your own lane. Just you're making your thing.
It's fine. People are allowed to be vegetarians, allowed to
be vegans. They don't always have to be flipping off
everyone else for what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, I mean it's effectively greenwashing, right. Remember when hear
in New Zealand got on board and they did the
Impossible Burger. They didn't last. They only had that campaign
going for about a couple of months before they've been
to it. That's a good text, Matt and Tyler. That
one just below that, Matt and Tyler. My niece considers
herself a freakin Ideally she would eat vegan, but as

(15:48):
a broke student, if it's free, then she'll eat it.
Cheers from Bread. Keep those six coming through on nine
two nine two oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. It's twenty four past one.
Beat free shortly here on News Talks at b.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking.

Speaker 7 (16:05):
Breakfast, let's talk aviation CEO of Jet Stephanie Tully, who
is with us?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Can you make money doing what you do?

Speaker 7 (16:12):
The reason they asked that question as Emirates came out
the other day and they're making record profits for the
third year in a row.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Quantas are making huge profits.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
Is that a model based thing or can any airline
if they do it right, make money?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
You can?

Speaker 8 (16:23):
I mean Jetster is on track for a record result
this year, and I think for us it's harder because
the margins. If they're now with low cost carriers, you've
got to be really focused on keeping your cost based low.
But we also don't offer all the balls and whistles
that cost money. So there's proof around the world that
both models can be very successful.

Speaker 7 (16:41):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 3 (16:46):
Very good afternoon to you twenty six past one. If
you're into these plant based meats, love to hear from
you on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Clearly
someone is buying them out there. They've just fallen off
a little bit in terms of market dominance. So this
is on the back of being supreme. It is the
latest plant based protein brand to exit the market. They've
struggled with sales. But if you're out there and you're
still buying these plant based proteins or plant meats. We

(17:08):
were very keen to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Look at look at the back of this, this plant
based meat, pea protein isolate, expeller pressed canola oil, refined
coconut oil, water, yeast extractor, a multi dextrine, natural flavors, gum, arabic,
sunfleet oil, salt, syccinic acid, acetic acid, non GMO modified food, starch,

(17:33):
sucalos from bamboo, methyl sucalose, potato starch, beet juiced, beet
juice extract. How can we keep going such as fruit extract, vegetable.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Glycerine sounds delicious and I've just started I al go
reading that there's another hundred ingredients.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Now I'm reading what's in the back of the steak
packet beef Allen, Welcome to the show, your thoughts welcome.

Speaker 9 (18:05):
I've got two jorders. They went through the vegan stage
and the and the you know, the pescatarian, and currently
they're sort of in between everything at the moment. But anyway,
there aside, we grew up with vegetarian nights and the
vegetarian Knights became just getting tofu and you can go

(18:27):
online and just just say how do I make a
tofu burger? And you can make it quite simply. And
I was always surprised that they didn't actually just do
tofu burgers at these at these places because they're they're
heck of it cheap and there was no need to
go to artificial meat. I just can't understand it. But
it became a fashion. You know, people just got onto

(18:50):
that passion of all, I'm being good for the planet.
Actually it's not that good for the planet, as we know,
some of these things take a lot more energy and
water to make. But I have to say, look, everyone
should just google tofu burger and just enjoy having something
that's nonmedi every now and again.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, I mean, that's absolutely fine. Like I certainly wouldn't
judge anyone for being a vegetarian or a vegan. My
lovely mum was a vegetarian even though we lived on
a farm, and I always wondered what she thought happened
to the to the lemmies.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, anyway, I'm sure there was a beautiful garden alongside
the life, you know, the stock that you had there.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, I know, but she obviously can't compartmentalized part of
what was going on. But it's just she never said
she never pretended to be anything else. She never thought
that what she eat ate needed to be called anything else.
She just had her vegetarian meal and she ate it
and it was you know, she was happy with that.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
I Meanwhile, at the underhead of the table, we were
just devouring every piece of meat we could. So there's
absolutely nothing wrong with that. But yeah, Tofuo Burger, go
for your life. Just don't call it beyond meat or
try and pretend it's meat.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
What about this text? This is to both you Ellen
and you Matt. So the tick says you muppets. Plant
based meats absolutely have their place of I'll get dirty
stairs if I tune up to a barbecue with a
sliced egg plant, veggie sausages or veggie patties. Mean I
don't have to have punishing discussions about why I don't
eat meat with other people. No, it's not healthy, but
neither are the petties you buy from the supermarket. They

(20:20):
have their place, yeah, a place. Yeah, he's good advice.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Ellen, Thank you so much for you call Ellen. I mean,
but also, look what about that situation at barbecues? Where
there's someone turning up with their parnishing plant based patties.
And then then you get sort of the segregation situation
on the barbecue.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, can you just separate my little veggie sausages from
the meat sausages.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
And then someone says, look, boy, my veggie sausages tastes
good today. When they say that, you know that what's
happened is that there's been some fat leakage.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Onto the little bit of beef juice on their veggie sausages.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
But you know, everyone, you know, go for it, go
for your life.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
But as I say, stolen valor pretending that they're meat,
they're not. They're a totally different thing. They're four thousand
different ingredients put together to try and imitate me.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of
all love to hear your thoughts on these plant based meets.
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and Tayler.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Thank you very much, Wendy, And we're talking about plant
based meat companies. There is another company that is closing
up shop. It is called Bean Supreme and it is
going to be removing its products from the shelf after July.
And it's not the only one. There is a real
decline in the sales of plant based meat alternatives around

(22:56):
the world. When they first launched, they had a heck
of a lot of height behind them and Possible Burger
was one they teamed up with in New Zealand for
a time. Beyond Meat was another that is still trading,
but it appears that consumers are turned against these.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, Beyond Meat stock price dropped nearly eighty percent in
the last year. So there you go. What was that
text you were just reading out to me there, Tyler.
I thought this was a really interesting perspective on the world.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Hi, guys, all meat is plant based. Some of it
just comes from a meat processing plant.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
So that's so true.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, a.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, whatever you're eating has eaten grass generally and processed.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Into meat as if he had It's a fine point,
but you.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Know, we're evolved to eat one of them and not
the other.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, yeah, very true.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
So we're evolved to eat their produce of the beast,
that is a meat processing plant from from from grass
into meat. They do the hard work for it, but
not The thing was fifty eight thousand ingredients, many of
them with multiple numbers after them.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yeah, if you are someone who was veggie based, I
love to hear from you. E one hundred and eighty
ten eighty Have you ever given these plant based protein
options a crown? If you stayed away? Does it kind
of defeat the purpose? Because I know a lot of
people who go to a vegetarian diet. Some of them
do it for ethical concerns, but I think a lot
more do it for health reasons, which is fair enough.
And if you're doing it for health reasons, surely you'd

(24:21):
stay away from these products, right.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Isn't that the joke in the Vicar of Dibli which
she said not bacon, Bacon is not bacon.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
That's a great joke.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
If you're so worried about the ingredients and the plant
based meats, you should look at the ingredients of your
doritos or shapes. And people are worried about plant based
products yeah, but you see, no one's saying that doritos
and shapes are healthy for you. That's the thing. There's
the moral judgment that comes with these plant based meats
on top of top of it. So what we're saying
is just call them what they are. Don't say they're meat,

(24:51):
don't say they're not bacon bacon, don't say that they're
oat milk. You can't milk. You can't milk oat. So
that's not what it is.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Doesn't quite roll off.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Don't claim it is healthy when it's ultra processed. Okay, Mark,
you've got a shieft's PERSPECTI of on this key topic
for kiwis Yeah, I have.

Speaker 11 (25:12):
Yeah, you're going to say an am so I'm a
chef and these days when you're a chef, it's quite
a it's quite a nightmare because you know, you've got
a cater for all all taste and all needs today,
Like you know, we've got a cadi for vegetarian, which
is fine, there's vegan. Then you've got wheat and tolerant.
So you've got to have two vats when you cook
up that sort of meat. You've got koalak and now

(25:36):
these these plant based products are coming in. Look, there's
nothing wrong. I love tastes and they're actually not too bad,
but they still aren't meat. Now, I want to put
this question to you. So if we put it on
the other way around, if we had meat based veget vegetables,
how would that go? You know, because that's all that's
all I'm doing. They're calling a plant? Is the sorry

(25:58):
plant a meat product? Now if we went, let's hit
this meat for example, and call that a veggie product,
how would that go on the market? How would that
go on?

Speaker 12 (26:06):
Well Mark?

Speaker 2 (26:06):
For example? I was complaining before or than when I
get invited to something with sausage rolls and I dip
them in the sauce and then I find out that
they're vegan sausage rolls. You go and you and you
dip a carrot into some some sauce, and then someone says,
oh that carrot, that's actually a sausage carrot. It's actually
a beef carrot.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I could see a market beef carrots.

Speaker 11 (26:30):
Yeah, I don't think that'll ever happen because we're too
wake for that sort of stuff. So anyway, just to
bring that perspective to it.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Anyway, Yeah, and for you as a chef. I mean,
as you mentioned the nutritional considerations you've got to have
as a chef. Now pretty full on is that across
the board? So vegetarian, veganism, you've got to worry about, dairy,
you got to worry about gluten, and I mean there
must be incredibly incredibly difficult to form a menu.

Speaker 11 (26:55):
That is very difficult. I mean honestly its expanded me
in you for one thing, some things that already on
the man you might be classified as Gluten's a very
interesting one because we can't call it gluten free. You
have to call it gluten and top gluten tolerant because
or gluten are freely the words were used because you
can't guarantee that there's no gluten and that product even

(27:16):
if it doesn't have it on the label. For instance,
I'm intolerant some products out there, some products out there
that have gluten even where they don't have that on
their label.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
For instance, I'm intolerant of some people's claims that they're
gluten intolerant. I think there's a lot of people claiming
that gluten intolerant that that aren't actually and the people
that actually are. What does it see the X disease
or what it is? That what it is. Yeah, you
know you actually put you put the wheat on their
arm and they get a rash. Yeah, there's people that
it's a serious, serious thing, and there's some other people
just going I just feel like I'm a bit tired

(27:48):
every now and then I'm gluten. Next thing, you know,
they're water boarding a chief about what's in the food.

Speaker 11 (27:54):
Yeah, well, I mean there's there's there's different degrees of
gluten gluten intolerance. Because you've got the ones that are
full gluten intolerant, they can't have any gluten whatsoever. And
then you've got what the ones that that that they
don't like gluten, but it's not that there for them,
but they just prefer not to have it. So then
that's the other sort of argument as well. I think
the reason well, you know, back in the day, you know,

(28:16):
farmers and when we had wholesome fruits total, we never
had in these allergies. These allergies are quite a new thing.
I think it's coming with the chemicals and additors we
put into our foods. So the process, all the processed
food that we are eating now has caused a lot
of these allergies.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean if you can eat whole foods,
then you know, everything says that life gets better in
terms of your gut. I own your health and you
don't put on you don't put on weight. I mean
people try not eat potatoes because they think it's going
to put on weight.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Potatoes, but chips crisps.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Will make you put on weight. But if you've just
got if you've just got some lovely cooked potatoes besides
your bit of meat and your broccoli, then you're going
to be sweet ass.

Speaker 11 (29:03):
It's like, so your butter's and your full cream milks,
full cream milks is actually your body product can process
full cream or full milk easier than a can the
that is a half of two stroke ones because because
for some reason, your body can't process those lighter milks
as easy as it can the full milk.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (29:27):
Yeah, And it's like butter, you know, don't have have
real butter. Just just reduce the amount that you have.
You know, margarines are no good for you, synthetic, so
just have real butter and just need a balanced diet
and you know, keep everything and ballance and you'll be fine.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
The ingredients on the back of a bag of potatoes. Potatoes.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, potatoes, which is nice.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Thank you for your call. I mean I like what
he said because I'm currently getting in a lot of
trouble at home for having cream in my coffee, because
I love cream in my coffee.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, you've got to go full noise cream. You know
what did he call it? Two stroked milk? Of like
that stroke milk? Get rid of it. One hundred eight
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Hey, Matt, the veggie food in India is divine. Flesh
starts rotting the minute is dead. She is ross. Yeah,
but that's that's the thing. I'm all down for vegetarian. Absolutely.
It's a fantastic vegetarian Indian restaurant on K Road and
they can have amazing vegetarian dushes. Don't get me wrong.
My mum used to make some delicious vegetarian food. But

(30:30):
the thing is she never claimed that it was meat.
She never branded it with a meat brand. She just
said that he's a vegetarian. Here's a chickpeak, carry go
for it.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
It's not the VEGETI eate, it's the liars.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, it's a hypocrisy.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Seventeen to two. But can you get your thoughts on this?
And if you are a VEGGI only vegetables only love
to hear from you. Did you go near these products
or did it kind of defeat the purpose? Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Have a chat with the lads.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
On eighty eighty Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talk Sai'd.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Be afternoon and we're talking about plant based protein options
or plant based meat. Another company has but in the
dust being supreme. It is going to be off the
shelves after July and production is being scaled back. But
if you are someone who is enjoyed these plant based
on tunaives, love to hear from you. On one eighty, Vinnie,

(31:23):
welcome to the show. You used to eat meat, but
you're a full veg now, Yes I am? And how's
that going? How long have you been a full vegetarian?

Speaker 12 (31:31):
For Vinnie, more than two years now. I used to
eat meat, everything vegetarian now for two years?

Speaker 2 (31:38):
What made you change?

Speaker 12 (31:39):
All the products in the market, all the you know
the products though well of what it is vegetarian, lamb Riggerian, chickens.
It is not a meat, to be honest, that's so different.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, So can I just go Vinnie? Can I just
go back step? So you were a vegetarian until too,
you became a vegetarian two years ago? Did you say, yeah,
two years ago? And that was that for health reasons?
Or was it for sort of moral reasons as you
don't didn't want to eat animals?

Speaker 12 (32:12):
It was sort of like a health reason as well.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, and so and so in that in that time,
you've tried all these different plant based meats.

Speaker 12 (32:21):
Try all of them, everything that's a little bit in
this markets, mate.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, and and and what are your thoughts?

Speaker 13 (32:28):
Nah?

Speaker 3 (32:28):
I would need them all day, it's pretty pretty certain.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
So and so what didn't you What didn't you like
about them? That there's a thousand ingredients on the back
or they don't taste like meat, or what was it
to put you off them?

Speaker 12 (32:43):
To be honest, like, it's it's not all full day,
it's it's not I reckon, it's not healthy. And you
read all them get into the back, it's two and
things and go on and making you confuse, you know,
is it going to be good for you or not?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
So what do you eat as a vegetarian to get
your your protein and such.

Speaker 12 (33:01):
We've got for lentils, we go for like heat the vegetable.
Then you know, go for like a normal plant based
proteins as well.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
And you know I love, oh you like plant based
like protein powder.

Speaker 12 (33:15):
Yeah, but I'm not like a vegan person, but you
pretty much all of that stuff. But having no issues
with that one.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
And how are you going? How's your health? Is it
improved in the two years?

Speaker 12 (33:25):
Uh, yeah, it's it's not too batter felt any changes,
to be honest, I'm it's it's not changes in my body.
I feel all right at the moment. People say, oh,
you've become a week when you become vegetarian and stuff,
it's the same words that I left every day. It
doesn't change anything.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
And so why did you try to go for these
meat alternatives, Finny? Was it to you to you a
bit of a transition that you used to love meat.
You've gone to vegi's because you want to be a
bit healthier, maybe some ethical concerns, and you saw those
products as a bit of a transition.

Speaker 12 (33:57):
Oh yeah, because my wife is full vegetarian. So they
oh yeah, honey, let's try it. This one, you know, yeah,
because you're vegistaring, I'll try that because it takes meat
on it. So like, okay, we tried it, we've didn't
like it. Both the was like that, I'm not going
to try them again.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well, thank you so much for be cool, Vinnie. Hello, vegetarian. Yeah,
I respect it. Yeah, be a vegetarian. Go for your
life exactly. These plant based meats are.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Antelopes alive chrises this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
You've raised four veget children.

Speaker 14 (34:27):
Hello, how are you good? Hey, I'm seventy two now,
I think probably forty plus years as vegetarian, raised my
four children or as vegetarians, and back in the day
as a very busy mum, you know, I would be

(34:50):
soaking soy beans and chip tees and mantles and doing
even making my own tofo on, making my own vegetarian cheese.
When these plant based products came on the market, even
my kids to question, well why are they called meat?

(35:10):
You know they're not meat. We're happy to be not meat.
I will say that only two of the four are
still vegetarians when the youngest is now thirty, so they're
they're adults. But they all eat a very strong vegetarian
diet anyway, they don't. Even the two that do eat

(35:31):
occasional meatal fish don't need a lot of it. But
what I found was, as a very very very busy parent,
as I'm sure you could imagine, with four kids going
through school on sport and fossage pizzils and this, that
and the other thing, when these products came onto the market,
it was a godsend, okay, because I could send the

(35:53):
kids to soccer sausage sizzle with respectable looking sausages, not
like my homemade nal or bean sausages. And it made
a big difference to them, you know, because they weren't
ridiculed and they weren't laughed at it, and it eventually
became very normal. So even when the kids come home

(36:19):
as adults, male, we will always make sure that we've
got something in the friend that can be tucked on
the barbecue. And it's a bit like you know, all
the non vegetarians I'm sure like to go and get
some takeaways from time to time, Well, there are takeaways,
and yeah, no they're not one hundred percent healthy, and

(36:42):
I wish they weren't branded as meat because I'd be
really happy they weren't branded as meat, just a plant
sausage convenience. He's a plant, it's convenience then yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, And okay, So if you've got your your your
vegi sausage on a barbecue, does it need to be
segregated from the other sausages and so it can't be.

Speaker 14 (37:06):
Depending on depending on how strong the vegetarian in the
family is at the time. That mostly yet we would
we would cook them separately.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Right do you think how do you think your kids
feel about being brought up vegetarian? Is it something that
they're they're happy with and proud of. Is it something
that they proud of it?

Speaker 14 (37:27):
Yet they're proud of it, and they are always always
told that as they got older that you know, if
they wanted to make a choice and they didn't want
to be vegetarian, that was just fine. Like I used
to do when two of them decided they didn't want
to be vegetarian, I would cook them even though I

(37:47):
was still a vegetarian. I would I would cook them
what they wanted. Yeah, because I think food's really important.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Well, thank you for your call, Chris.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
See what a great mum not militant about it that
she gave them vegetarian meals, which is fair enough, but
she said, hey, if you want to eat meat, you
can do that. That's a VIK scenario, right, don't just
don't be militant about it.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, they'd be smug. I wonder how often when she
wasn't around her kids were just smashing bacon.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Straight down to the Dold's hundred.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Sneaking out at night and having a puffing on some
bacon around the side of the school shed.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call it. Seven to two.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Matdeath.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
News Talks EB. We've been discussing the decline of these
plant based meat companies. Been Supreme as the latest one,
and some great tickes have come through.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
My wife was vegetarian for a year or so. I
told her I'm making a ship. It's pie with meat,
so you can't have any lull. I was so excited.
But the most expensive minths, which I didn't realize until
I started cooking it was grass based and not grass fed.
It was vegetarian. I threw the whole pie in the bin,
even though my wife didn't want it. Oh, come on.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
And this one says, hey, guys, I gave up meat
about ten years ago when I found it caused severe
arthritic pain in my joints. A bit sad to see
the loss of chicken, no chicken and now being supreme
from Steve.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
A texta says, how hard is all the little oats
to milk? Fake meat is so stupid?

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, well they can't call it oat juice then they
know one would buy it.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
So support anyone that wants to start any business and
sell plant based food. But if it's if it's a
plant sausage, call it a plant sausage. If it's veggie juice,
call it veggie juice.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Okay, yeap, And we're going to have a chat with
a dietician very very shortly to get to the bottom
of how unhealthy these products are. It is three minutes
to one uses next too.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Talking with you all afternoon, it's mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
News talks. It be welcome back into the program. Great
to have your company, and we had a great hour
on the decline of plant based meat companies. Being Supreme
is the latest one to close production and they'll be
taking their products off the shelf in July. But we
thought we'd have a chat to a registered diatrician, so
on the line right now with Julia Sokula, she has

(40:20):
head of nutrition at Beef and Lamb and also registered dietician,
to have a chat about these products. Very good afternoon, Julia, Hi, guys,
how are you very good? So what is the latest
on the healthiness of meat?

Speaker 6 (40:34):
Well, I think red meat and any of the animal
source foods have a really good role to play in
terms of how people eat it and part of a healthy,
balanced diet. They're a really good source of nutrition, they
taste good, and they've got bi available nutrients that we
can absorb.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
So where are we sitting on the healthiness of plant
based meat.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
Well, plant based meats often have lots of things added
to them for edental salt and other things which naturally
occur in meat, so they've got added vitamins or minerals.
But we know that what's in our actual food, So
what grows on our land or on our land has
got really easily absorbed iron zinc, vitamin B twelve. We
don't need to add it into our food.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
So, you know, as someone textsed in before that, you know,
meat is just plant based. It's just got a different
processing system as it goes through the animal. Why does
that processing system why is that better for us than
putting together all this stuff later?

Speaker 6 (41:35):
Well, I guess what, you know, what animals can do
is they make use of something we can't. So we
can't digest grass as human beings. So the system of
a cow, you know, enables us to then down the track,
you know, consume something that we know from a every meal,
every mouthful that we have is a really good source
of nutrition. We're not having to add a little bit

(41:58):
of this, add a little bit of this, put it
all together in an industrial kind of manufacturing side of things.
You know, here in New Zealand, we are using the
land that we have to make something that otherwise wouldn't grow.
Some of the other foods that we you know, we
bring into the country.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
So effectively, if someone wants to go vegetarian, Julia and
I know that you've talked about the benefits of meat there,
but if they want to go vegetarian, they should just
eat plain, old, regular growing crowned vegis rather than these
sort of products.

Speaker 14 (42:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (42:28):
Well, and it's more than just beges. So one of
the big things about animals source foods is they're really
good source of protein. So when you're substituting that out,
and if you don't eat animal source foods, we need
to plant based proteins, so your legumes, your nuts, your seeds,
so the things that aren't going to give us those
other nutrients. And you know, for people, you know, most
of us eat a range of foods. We don't just

(42:49):
eat one food. So for you know, for me here
at beef and lamb, I eat a range of foods,
red meat, white meat, as well as plant based meat,
plant based alternatives, you know, legumes, et cetera. And that's
a really good way to get balanced fiber in everything
that our body needs.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the problem that people
have been having on the on the text machine. People
don't have a problem with vegetarians, but they have a
problem with foods that aren't meat being described as meat.
Because that's fine, as I keep saying, I make a
lovely lentil roast, it's lovely, but I'll make you my
lentl roast.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
We'll get your studios.

Speaker 6 (43:29):
I did do that many years ago, and I did
pass it by my husband. But you can't beat an
actual you know, a lamb roast. You can't beat that.
They going back to what you guys were saying.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Absolutely, my point is it's called a lental roast, not
a meat.

Speaker 15 (43:44):
Absolutely and from a nutrition perfective.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
So as a dietician, my concern is that some of
these alternatives they don't give us the same nutrition side
of things, and they don't have that same profile. So
some things called themselves or people choose to call them
a milk, they're.

Speaker 15 (44:01):
Not a milk.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
They don't have the same amount o Milk's a classic
example the calcium, and that for most of them, unless
it's fortified, doesn't meet the need for for what we
need for women, for teenagers, and yet it's been drunk
in copious amounts. So the same goes for animal source chicken, beef, slam,
et cetera. Is we need those nutrients for our bodies

(44:22):
and particularly the groups and who have higher needs. You know,
our teams, our athletes, you know, we've got to fuel
them in a really good way. And my concern with
the products that call themselves a meat that are to
meat is we're not doing that justice and we're throwing
in other things that they don't need.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
So it is an interesting kind of thing, though, isn't it,
Because when you've got meats, right, So there's and there's
a big whole whole foods revolution at the moment. Whole
foods are better, but some meats are better than others. Right.
So if you have just a lovely lamb roast like
you're talking before, that may be healthy, but bacon is

(45:03):
heavily processed, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (45:05):
Yeah, So what we'd go for is your lean red
meat or your lean chicken. And so from an overall
nutrition perspective, that means we're getting all that really good nutrition,
the protein, the iron, the zinc, the B twelve, all
those things you get from the flammed chicken, but we're
not getting that the added salt mainly that we're getting

(45:27):
from processed meats. And that's one of the biggest concerns there.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Hey, now I've got a question for you, Julia that
might be a bit confronting people. People are a bit
skeptical on dietary advice because it seems to keep changing.
Everyone's always says, hey, our egg's good for you now,
because they were yesterday. And we all know that the
food pyramid got flipped over. Yeah, the one that.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
I feel like they're coming for fruit now as well.
I just feel it.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I've heard people coming for fruit.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
So how close are we to the truth in twenty
twenty five?

Speaker 6 (46:03):
Well, I think first off, you need to be looking
at where you're getting nutrition advice from. So register dietis
and registered nutritionists. They're going to move away from all
the fluff, all the Instagram, all the social media stuff
that sits there and wants to sell you something. I
completely get it off work clinically in the universities and
now in industry, and those messages that sit out there
confuse everybody. I think at the end of the day,

(46:25):
we've got to think about how do we reduce the confusion.
And that's one of the things that we're trying to
do through Dietitians New Zealand and through the work that
we're doing here at Beef and Land. But ultimately it's
having food and meals.

Speaker 14 (46:35):
That we enjoy, that they taste good.

Speaker 15 (46:38):
It's about thinking, you know, we're not perfect.

Speaker 6 (46:40):
You know, I don't think there's many dieticians who are
going to say they follow everything to a tea. I
think you've got to have a bit of flexibility and
what you eat. You've got to enjoy what you eat.
And it's doing the right thing most of the time.

Speaker 16 (46:53):
And that's the.

Speaker 6 (46:54):
Range of everything, not getting stuck on one particular thing,
because we know that variety is key and you've got
to build it into what you can afford, what's available.
And we all live in different parts of New Zealand
and some things are available at different times of the
year for different prices, and that's the key thing.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
All right, Thanks so much, yeap, fascinating as always, Julia,
thank you very much. And we'll get you into the
mental roast at some stage. Rest assured. I mean bring
the lamb roast.

Speaker 6 (47:19):
I'll bring the lamb roast to come with it.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Good fee, all right. That is Julia Sekula, head of
nutrition at Beef and Lamb and registered dietitian, and a good,
good question about you know, the confusion and nutrition. But
I thought that was a very good answer.

Speaker 17 (47:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
And if you're the head of nutrition at one of
these plant based meat manufacturers, then we'd love to hear
from you as well anytime. If you come on, if
you've got the opposing opinion on that, we'd love to
hear from you. This Texas is fake. Meats are exactly that,
full of chemicals. Bigger brands run the smaller companies that

(47:52):
are more ethical out of business. For Mark's here, the
idea is run the more ethical brands out of business.
The idea is to normalize these products. As the price
of real meat becomes unreachable going forward, then start adding
bugs and calling it protein. There are heaps of better
options out there for those that want tomized meat and
tech for their health and to be honest, where excessive
meat eat is often leading to lifestyle diseases and sadly

(48:15):
shorter lives. Yeah, there's a big push for the bugs. Yeah,
there's some people that are all over the bugs.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
That's the next type one. If you get into the
bug companies, get it now, but don't stay in too
long because I think that hype wool die away.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Are you into the crickets?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
No?

Speaker 3 (48:29):
At a cricket protein?

Speaker 2 (48:30):
No? What's wrong with eating stuff that's growing here in
New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Patriotic that's what we like right, Thank you very much.
That was a great discussion and a good place to
end that one. Coming up very shortly, we want to
have a chat about the rental market, how landlords are
trying to stand out in what is a crowded rental
market at the moment according to various experts. So if
you were renting at the moment, love to hear from
you on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. How is

(48:56):
it out there? It wasn't too long ago that we
heard it was a housing crisis and very difficult to
get into a rental seams that's flipped around pretty fast.
So is it a renter's game currently in the market?
And if you're a lord, what are you doing to
retain good tenants? Love to hear from you on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is sixteen past two.
Back free surely.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Afternoon. It is nineteen past two, Hats.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I wanted to read this text before that. Tyler rudely
talked over me and went to it.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
It's what I bring you because I thought it was
a good text, especially this part. Hey love the show,
Oh thank you.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
If you put that at the top, then you're much
more likely to get your text throughout. Even if we've
moved on to a different.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Way, I likely we'll find it because we love seeing it.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
I am Indian and have been brought up vegetarian, Like many,
if not most Indians, plant based all tunatives was never
really a thing. We mostly ate vegetables. Dairy well some
people would, yeah, don mean dairies. Vegetinia vegetarian to some
people are not for others, beans and lentils all spiced up,
so it was all always delicious. Vegetarianism is totally normal,
and having a cuisine built around it helps always having

(50:14):
healthy and delicious options available. You just need to know
what to make and how to make it. Give any
Indian any vegetable and they will know exactly how to
cook it into something amazing. Great text, Yeah, because I'll
tell you what I felt like, we're putting the boot
into vegetarians for the whole hour. And you know, people
can be whatever they want. Ye eat whatever you freaking
want exactly go for your life. But if it's a sausage.

(50:38):
It's got to have meat in it. Otherwise it's a
plant stick.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
All right, they lie about it. You know it's not meat.
Just say it's not meat. Anyway, let's have a chat
about this story. So landlords are trying to stand out
and what is a crowded rental market? According to experts.
So opis Partner's economist Ed McKnight. He used data to
determine that properties in South Tartanaki, for example, we're taking
thirty five days to rent. That's twenty three percent longer

(51:04):
than this time last year. In a place like Stratford,
the thirty three days it was taking to find a
tenant is up fifty percent year on year. And the
interesting part about this, as you alluded to a little
bit earlier, is that not too long ago we had
what was labeled a housing crisis crisis with a bold
underline under the word crisis. And now it didn't take

(51:25):
long too apparently turn that around. Yeah, that it's a
bit of a renter's game at the moment, renter's market.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
So does that credit go to the government that they've
managed to lower rents.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Well, it have to do, wouldn't it, would it? Well,
can they claim it.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Who knows do governments just ride waves and then claim
get abused when it's going the wrong way and claim
victory the other way. I'd be interested though, because eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, we're in nation that loves
to buy a house. Yeah, we all, we most of
us believe that we need to be on the properly
ladder and we have huge pomo if we're not, and
a lot of us feel like we aren't doing what

(52:00):
we're supposed to do for our families if we don't
buy and provide them a house. Yeah, even if that
house comes with a crippling mortgage. To hear from people
on eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty, if they are
renting as a financial decision for life, if they've done
the math and they've decided that buying a house isn't
where they where they want to spend their money, and

(52:21):
where they want to spend their money is you know,
they'll pay a certain aount of rent stays like this,
and instead of the interest payments and the mortgage, they
want to spend that on other stuff. I mean, maybe
they want to invest in their business while they're renting,
because you know, in the last few years, the value
of houses hasn't been going up at the same level,
so as they're a rising tide of people that are

(52:42):
going No, I'm not renting because I can't afford to
buy a house and I can't afford to get the
deposit together. But I'm renting because I've done the figures
and I believe that renting is a better way to
go because a lot of people that are renting, you'll
find that your landlord is subsidizing. You know, they're what

(53:03):
you're paying isn't paying off the mortgage completely. They're renting
out and they're topping up to pay off mortgage.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Yep, we are not buy a hell of a lot,
but we're topping up our So we're renting our place
out in christ Judge and we're having to top that
up about three k a year to meet So that's
after insurance rates that doesn't include any maintenance. Maintenance is
on another ledger because you don't include that, and we're
still having to top that up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
So in a way, you're subsidizing the living of the
person in your house.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yeah, and you're.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Banking on capital gain, yes, exactly, bang on because people
have bet against bet against property a lot of times
in New Zealand, and you always have these economists that
have come out and say that's stupid, and then seven
years later they're looking idiotic because people that have invested
in property property have made a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
But you're right. I mean, I've seen a few articles
trying to work out the equations for those that are
deciding to rent and those that are buying, and the benefits,
according to those articles, are starting to narrow get very
closer together if those renters are doing other things with
their extra money, like convencing into the share market. To
hear from you if you are renting at the moment

(54:11):
for our financial decision, and it appears right now that
if you've recently sold, it's probably not a bad time
to rent for a little bit while the market starts
to equilib equiliberalize Is it a word?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I don't I think you could just say.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Balance, balance, Yeah, balance would have been a better way
to go for equilibrialized.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Pretty sure that's not a word.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yeah, I'll look that one up. But can you hear
from you? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call and I just want to throw
this out to here because it's a line that I've
just spotted in the story. So this is about landlords
trying to stand out and what appears to be quite
a saturated market. Allowing pets would also help a property
stand out. About two thirds of households have pets, but
only thirteen percent of rentals elicited as pet friendly. That's

(54:52):
a hell of a gamble for a landlord to take,
isn't it, allowing pets into a rental. And I'm saying, look,
I'm all for it, and we've done that for our
rental down in christ Church. But I think it's still
an incredible gamble. It worked out for us. I think
we're been very lucky with the tenants that we've got
in our place.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, well, it'll be interesting to flip around the other way.
One hundred eighty ten eighty have you you were renting
out your house and you had a strict pit policy,
but you're struggling to rent out your house now, so
you go, Okay, you can bring your seventeen dobman pinchers in.
It's taking longer to rent out properties because a record
number of young Kiwis are off to Australia. Yeah, one

(55:32):
point that could be interesting.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Yeah. Yeah, And this one says, who wants to live
in Stratford?

Speaker 2 (55:38):
What's wrong with Stratford?

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Yeah, Stratford's a fine place. I haven't been there for
some time, to be honest, but from what I hear.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah, okay, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Are you choosing
to rent over buy for financial reasons even though you
would be in a position to buy? And if you're
a landlord trying to rent out your house, tell us
how you're going out there.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
It is twenty five past two, but oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Begory
shortly here on news Talks.

Speaker 18 (56:06):
You b.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty on News
Talk said.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Be good afternoon, and we're talking about what landlords are
trying to do to stand out in a crowded rental
market at the moment.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Taking a bit longer to rent out your probably apparently,
and someone texted it mate because heaps the young people
have headed off to Australia. Who knows. Hey, hey guys,
I've always allowed pets as I found, I got tenants
who always paid and stayed longer, probably because they had
less choice. Cheers Brian, So what did you say thirteen
percent of properties allow pets?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Yep, so two thirds of households have pets, but only
thirteen percent of rentals are listed as pet friendly. Can
it is a massive golf?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Can you hide a pet from your landlord?

Speaker 3 (56:53):
A cat?

Speaker 4 (56:54):
You could?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I'll tell you what though, it's a property that doesn't
allowed pets, and you managed to hide it from your landlord,
then it was a pet that did no damage. Yeah,
if you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Yeah, Well I had a mate who didn't tell the
landlord that he had a dog, and it wasn't until
landor came around it six months after and realized he
had a dog. But then he made the good argument
said well hasn't made any damage, so anything wrong with it,
and he got away with it. But if you are
a landlord that is starting to have a rethink about
allowing people with pets, love to hear from here on

(57:24):
eight hundred eighty ten eighty and I agree with that, Texter.
When we rented out our place in Christchurch, and granted
we needed to find a pet friendly place up here.
But there was a part of me that thought, if
we rented out to a family with a couple of dogs,
they'll be thankful that we allowed them to have pets,
and because they were thankful, they were going to look

(57:45):
after the place. A bit of a gamble, but it
has worked out for us. I mean, phenomenal tenants, really
really good.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
See's a lot of Stratford hate coming through on the
on the text machine on nine two nine two. I
wouldn't stick up for the city of Stratford. Taranaki. It's
got that call as like a five story tutor tutor clock.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
It's a beautiful looking clock.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
It looks like something black Atta would live in. Yeah,
this textus says, as a father of two, if I
had a rental property, I'd allow pets before young children.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
That's from Luke. Yeah, very good. One eighty is the
number to call. Let's go to Ben. Get a ben.

Speaker 18 (58:24):
How's it going guys?

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Very good. So you've just taken on a new place
of you.

Speaker 16 (58:29):
Yeah, we have my wife and I we were living
we were renting for six years at a property and
our land was decided that they're going to up and sell,
so we had to move out. We had asked if
we could have pets at the property and they said no.
So that was like a sort of a place of

(58:54):
discussion for us where we wanted to have a pet
and find a place that was pet friendly. And we
looked at buying homes, but at the moment, like it
was twice as much as we could find to rent.
So we're looking at like a mortgage of roughly fifteen

(59:14):
hundred a week and in Auckland.

Speaker 13 (59:16):
Of course. And then we looked and looked at renting,
like just moving straight into another rental that was pet friending.
We found the Rosito apartments in Mount Wellington. I don't
know if you guys have heard them, heard of them,
but they're build to rent a building.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
No, I'm in Mount Wellington, what part of Mount Wellington?
Just out of interest, Sylvie apart All right, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (59:40):
You've got a big high rise there and there's like
four of them and yeah, they're called Rosito. And we
applied there and it was pretty it was quite a
pretty quick process. They vested us and make sure that
we could pay our rent and stuff. But you pay
you pay a premium there like that, probably like one
hundred bucks extra for what you're getting, but you get

(01:00:04):
like for the size of the property. But the actual
perks are amazing, Like they have like the super big
gym that's all state of the art. They have like
a cinema cinema room, they have a rooftop barbecue area,
and that the actual apartments are like hotel like fancy
hotel rooms. Me and my wife, we've we've been in

(01:00:26):
there for a month and like every time we walk
and we're like, fah, this is major to what we
were used to. But you know, the reason for it
was that like not pets, acid and all that, Like
rent was way cheaper than purchasing a house. We saved up.
We've saved up in things we've We've got like over
one hundred and fifty K for a deposit and some

(01:00:48):
key we saber. But like after like after we'd worked
out all the calculations, it's just so it's just was
it wasn't leaving up us with enough after the fact,
like there were there wasn't a lot extra And you know,
I know that discipline comes into it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
We couldn't.

Speaker 13 (01:01:08):
We don't think we could have done it, and yeah,
not with our lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
We like to travel and yeah, and you're worried Ben
that you're going to if you don't jump on the
property letter, you'll you'll miss out on you know, capital
gains and setting yourself up for later life.

Speaker 13 (01:01:25):
Well, I've been worried about that. I'm thirty eight, so
I've been worried about that for like twenty years.

Speaker 14 (01:01:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:01:32):
Yeah, like my sister think he bought her first home.
It only costs like three hundred and fifty K and
they're like living it up now. But so yes, I
have had that in the back of my mind. But
but you know, for us, we're comfortable renting and we're
because that's been a way of like we we could

(01:01:53):
have bought earlier on in life, but we decided that
traveling was the go for us, and we don't really
regret it. But it is hard to watch all my
friends and family who have bought homes to enjoy the
benefits of all that.

Speaker 14 (01:02:06):
And that is true.

Speaker 13 (01:02:08):
But right now I can, like after talking to people
that have bought recently, some of my friends have bought
their first home and they're not struggling, but they are tight.
You know, it's never money, it's always like what how
much do you. We're very much to the point, how
much do you have left over? And they're like maybe
a couple hundred a week and that's not much, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Can you tell us, can you tell us if you
don't mind sharing what you roughly pay and rent? Ben yep,
So we have we get it.

Speaker 13 (01:02:40):
We're in a nice, large two bedroom apartment right at
the top on level seven. We pay seven fifty a week,
which are seems real high. Yeah, it has a gym,
we're allowed pets, your pets. In the entire it's eighty
seven percent full at the moment, which means people clearly

(01:03:03):
love it. They hold community events once a month, once
every two months.

Speaker 19 (01:03:08):
We're in there.

Speaker 13 (01:03:09):
Down the bottom there's a big hub area where they
like put on like bears and food and you know,
like it's crazy, like it's I never thought this type
of living existed. And we just we we you know,
we our budget was like six fifty a week for
rent because that's what our previous we were previously paying.
So then we went and checked this out. We're like,

(01:03:32):
you know, we can cancelor gym memberships, the you know,
the internet is really cheap there, like it's it was
about thirty dollars cheap for a month, and all the
benefits came into place, so like we're loving it. We
think we're paying a little bit of a premium, but
we don't care. Like it's it's way better than paying
fifteen hundred a week for mortgage in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Yeah, well there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Ben.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, and it's interesting that they actually use those areas
because when I obvious see areas advertising those buildings, they go, yeah,
but no one's going to go to the barbecue area.
I don't even believe people will use the pool in
those things. But you're saying they do. Sounds pretty nice.
You go, oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Ben has sold the renting dream. Yeah, you know you're
on the Ben train. Yeah, we all suck. As for
getting messive mortgages, it is twenty four or.

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D Herald Premium. Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about renting
or owning a property. Ben our previous caller was all
on the renting game and it was working out pretty
well for them from what they were paying seven hundred
and fifty renting versus fifteen hundred bucks on a mortgage.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
According to this article, though, it is a renter's market
as opposed to a landlord's market, and people are waiting
longer to rent their properties out than they were up
until very recently. Some people a saying this for so
many young people heading over to Australia. But whatever the reason,
some people are apparently choosing renting over buying a house,
even when they've got the deposit and the ability to

(01:06:00):
do it. Like Ben who just called before, I'd rather
allow people to have pets than have young children renting,
as long as the pet owners clean the after leaving.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
There you go, we're getting a lot of ticks in
that regard pet's over children.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
One hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call. Max.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
You're twenty six and you've bought a house in Mount
Eden this year?

Speaker 20 (01:06:22):
Yeah, just February last year, we me and my fiance
brought our just at one bedroom unit.

Speaker 18 (01:06:27):
In Mount Eden, just skipping phone coffee.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Basically congratulations, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
And you chose to do that over renting.

Speaker 20 (01:06:37):
Yeah, yeah, so we sort of had a look.

Speaker 18 (01:06:39):
We were racing previously.

Speaker 20 (01:06:42):
We had a really good deal but unfortunately the building
we were in was due to be demolished, so we
basically we were getting kicked out and we had a
look around a sort of the central aus Mount Eden
area for rentals and we sort of found that you're
looking at around about the five to seven hundred dollars
mark per week just for a one bedroom place, and

(01:07:03):
we sort of thought, hold on, what can we do
otherwise to you know, try maybe look at owning a home.
And we worked out that the mortgage payments were basically
very very similar to what you'd be paying and anyway,
I mean you're going to take into account of rates
and other things like that. But we find the trade offs.

(01:07:23):
We're being able to you know, do whatever we want
to the house when we want, and also you know,
being able to have something to maybe elivate us to
a bigger property you know later on when we want
to have conspitentially as well. So also getting a pet
that was a big thing for us. So yeah, we
thought it was a no brainer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
That's the thing that people, you know, when you first
buy a house. I remember when I first bought a house,
I couldn't believe that I could just knock anything. I
wanted too the wall, and I could just do anything
I want.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Ultimate freedom.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Yeah, knock down something, put something up, you know, do
your own handiwork and all that kind of stuff. I
mean that flip side of that is you have to
do all of it. Yeah, but it is quite it's
quite a freeing experience when you go, I can do
whatever I want. I can I can rip the wallpaper
off here and paint the wall. I can do whatever
I want. Have you done much since you moved into
this place in Mount Eden?

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:08:16):
Yeah, basically as soon as we moved and we started
putting up shells here and there, putting a coat of
paint on the walls. And luckily my partner's dad's the
Cadet makers, so that makes it really helpful for us
when we want to do bigger innovations as well. But
currently trying to pay for the wedding at the moment,
so funds are a bit lower.

Speaker 20 (01:08:36):
In the future, will definitely be wrapping up the kitchen
and putting in a brand steaky new one, and same
with the bathroom as well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
I think nice. Now you're a young guy, Max twenty six.
Is there a few people in your friend group that
might be traveling a bit. You know they're doing they
don't own a house and they're using their expendable cash
for some of those fun things. Does that grind on
you a little bit?

Speaker 20 (01:09:01):
Not particularly good friends who are own their own And
we're sort of at the age now wherever I'm starting
just slowly settled down. You're not at the stage where
we're spending all night at home with kids, but we're sten.

Speaker 18 (01:09:17):
We felt make the time was right. And then also
you know, now we have to be a bit just
one as though, you know, not going out every weekend
and being wastefuless money. But we found that it's actually
been quite good for us.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Yeah, well, good on your bend, Thanks for thanks for sharing,
and I hope you hope you go well. I mean,
it's a great position to be in, being a couple
without kids and moving into one bedroom buying one bedroom place. Yes,
one place is much cheaper than the two bedroom, three bedroom,
four bend. When it gets that's when things go right up.

(01:09:51):
But that sweet spot when it's just the two of.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
You, good times, good memories, Max. Thank you very much, Mate,
really appreciate it, and congrats mount eat a very nice spot.
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
I live there myself.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
I know, That's why I said it. One hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Loads of people in Europe don't ever own their own home.
And it's absolutely true, Beverly, It's a way we look
at it. And this text of Patrick says, what Ben
just mentioned, the renting dream is the basic Norman South
Africa communal estate developments.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Yeah, yeah, and back to the original point of the
equation of renting versus owning a house. And hats off
to Max who's done it. But I've got to say,
you know, when we bought our property in twenty twenty,
and our mortgage was very, very good back then, but
as the rate started to increase and insurance is bloody

(01:10:39):
expensive now insurance is through the roof. Rates are crazy expensive.
Just those little bits that start adding up and thinking,
well far out, all of a sudden, this is costing
a lot more than we thought it was going to cost.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Day to day, Matt and Tyler, you're going to be
paying seven fifty a week for the rest of your life.
Did money plus where does the rent money come from
when you retire?

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Yeah, that is a good argument. Yeah, yeah, when you
get to retirements and yeah, you're still having to rent.
That is a big cost out of your pension.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Although, to be fair, there are political parties in this
country that'll be coming after you if your own a
house and you're retired, they'll be coming after that, and
they'll claim that it's that it's money that you have
to be taken off you. Ben is paying seven to
fifty per week i e. Three thousand a month. Yeah,
I mean when you put it like that, I mean
that's funny. When I say, such as the world Now,

(01:11:28):
when he said it's seven fifty for his apartment he
was renting, I was like, seems okay, Yeah, he's got
a gym, swimming pool, prett nice Yeah, barbecue area.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
It's quarter to three.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
A fresh take on Talkback. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams.
Afternoons have your say on eight hundred eighty eight US
Talks there be afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
We're talking about renting versus buying. Apparently it is a
renter's market out there at the moment, and some have
made the argument that renting can be pretty imbalanced with
owning a home in today's market. If you are reinvesting
that money elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
A few landlords have texted throw and said rubbish rented
ours out in New Plymouth easy a four bedroom eight
twenty a week. A few land was saying there's been
absolutely no problem at all the stixas his landlords have
been charging very high rents for years, and now the
market is settle. People aren't prepared to pay those high rents,
and with more properties available, they choose what goes comes around. Well,

(01:12:26):
it's the market, isn't it. Yes, that's right, flying demands, Yeah,
one hundred percent, nothing wrong with that. Hey, guys, my
forty five year old son rents and will never buy.
He takes what he would have paid and mortgage and
puts it in an index fund. He assures me that
he's twice as well off as he would have been owning.
He has the freedom to follow his work anywhere. It
always gets to live in a new property and never
has to worry about rates, insurance, and maintenance. He's a

(01:12:49):
software engineer focus on finance software, so I guess he
runs the numbers. Kindest regards, Dave, Yeah, that does sound
like the kind of thing a software engineer would do.
Run the hard numbers.

Speaker 13 (01:13:00):
On it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Yeah, yeah, get that in the index funds and get
that into the Excel spreadsheet.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
But what if he wants to get out of sledgehammer
and makes him indoor outdoor flow.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Exactly, where's his little slice of New Zealand that he
can call his own?

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
John your thoughts on this issue.

Speaker 19 (01:13:16):
I think if you want to rent, and it's a choice,
good for you. I have a son who's just ten
twenty two, and he bought his first place when he
was twenty one. He moved straight from home into owning
his place. And it was modest. It's a three bedroom unit,
two story, three bedroom unit. He's got a garage in

(01:13:36):
a carport, and he was just focused on that, and
he put up with living with his parents for that
time because they were charging him virtually nothing in board.
It was one hundred dollars a week. And I could
see in him that he was focused and he wasn't
splashing his money up against the wall, and he wasn't

(01:13:57):
going out very often, once every two or three months.

Speaker 14 (01:14:00):
And you know, I.

Speaker 19 (01:14:04):
Think that if you want to buy a place, it
must be very hard, even one hundred and fifty dollars
a week and saving money even two of you on
good on a good income, that's a fair chunk of
your cash gone. And to get together one hundred and
twenty or whatever it might be deposit that's a hard ask.

(01:14:26):
And you know it's always that first step that's the hardest,
isn't it, because and you know not that you're away
once you've started, but you certainly, as they say on
the ladder, that the choice of renting for life, it
would frighten me in terms of, yeah, what happens when
you retire, Well, you know you're going to have to

(01:14:48):
you're going to have to alter your lifestyle considerably, probably
depending on what you're earning. Is And I still think,
probably old fashionedly, that if you can afford to get
into a place to that to that I wouldn't see.
I don't see renting as a choice. I see renting
as what I would do if I had if I
couldn't get into my own place.

Speaker 20 (01:15:10):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Clearly, your son did well at putting money away, and
you helped him up a little bit with cheap board,
but would you have ever considered going in with your
son on a property together, as in you're putting equity
into the home along with him.

Speaker 19 (01:15:26):
He wouldn't have wanted that, and I know, you know,
it was never discussed. He was actually gonna he was
actually gonna buy a place with his brother, but unfortunately
his brother passed away, and so he just said, I
want this on my own.

Speaker 6 (01:15:39):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:15:40):
It's just that just that focus.

Speaker 19 (01:15:44):
You know, we weren't the bank of Mom and dad.
They were able to tip on one hundred grand even
for you know. So what we did was, hey, while
you're serving your apprenticeship, you're living here for nothing. We
could see that if he'd been wasting it and out
drinking and all that well, you know, or spending his
money wastefully, then that would have been a different There

(01:16:04):
would have been a different discussion had so in terms
of a bank of Mom and Dad, maybe we did
it a little bit differently. I don't know, but yeah,
it's I just feel for people. And I did the same.
I left home and I started renting. But there was
a long time ago and houses were a bit cheaper
I think in terms of a multiple of your annual income.

(01:16:27):
I just wanted very difficult. Now, seven hundred and fifty
dollars a week going out and you want to and
you want to stick another five hundred at least in
the bank to say for your deposit. I don't know
how you do it, so I just my advice or
suggestion to young people if you can, if it's okay
at home, write it out for a while and put
your money away while you can.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Yeah, thanks to you, cool John. This Texas is people
paying off a mortgage, though who kind of disagrees with John,
are largely paying interest only in a small amount of
principle each month. Add the hugely inflated rates and insurance
in a flatish market, and you're better off renting house
rates and inflation as a scandal. The only advantage housing
has as an investment is the leverage from a rising market.
If the market's not going up, then the people are stuffed.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Yep, sometimes that is true. Yeah right. It is six
minutes to three bag very short hair on news Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Heb the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
News Talks. There B great discussion. Thank you very much.
This text see his guys rented by while building in
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Landlord advertised at seven hundred and ninety five bucks. After

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one month they dropped the rent to six hundred ninety
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Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Your new home are insateful and entertaining. Talk It's and
Taylor Adams Afternoons on News Talk Sebby very good Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
You welcome into the show. So singles tired of dating
apps are discovering a different kind of partnership, one that
involves bidding, finessing, daring, and hopefully plenty of grand slams.
We are, of course talking about the card game Bridge
it is and enjoining a revival, apparently with a younger
crowd drawn to its social aspect, forming bonds, friendships and

(01:18:36):
sometimes even love.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty Is this true? Are
you playing Bridge, and a lot of people are coming
to the Bridge to find love. I don't believe that.
And it's through a little young people playing bridge? How young?
How young are we talking? Because Bridge traditionally as a game,
people start around fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Yeah, that would almost be at the younger side. Wouln't
it for Bridge players? I think when you get into
the twilight years, then you join one of the Bridge
clubs around New Zealand. Guess how many Bridge clubs there
are in New Zealand? Two hundred Not quite that many,
one hundred and eight, but that is a lot of clubs.
That is a popular card game. But yeah, I mean
reading this story and they gave some.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Examples, but I don't know if I buy it really Yeah, Well,
what's so great about Bridge? Give us call eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty? Why is it exploding? Young people
flocking to it as a great place to find love?
So how does it work when you find love and Bridge?

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Do you hook up north south or east west? Because
that's how the game's play, right, You've got to north south,
east and west and north and south teammates and east
and west. So are you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Going along with it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
If you're in, you're going along with the north south
and then you heading on the east west. Is that
how it works?

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
And then can you give them away sort of you know,
foot seat under the table or.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
No, you definitely can't if they're on your team because
you're not allowed to communicate because it's all about bidding
for tricks, isn't it. So I don't know, you have
to be incredibly smart to play bridge, well don't you.
You got to got to have a lot of logic involved.
There's heaps of memory involved, there's probabilities, it's it's it's

(01:20:14):
it's a game where you could understand the rules, but
then there's you can spend a lifetime getting better and
better at it. And people will read bridge strategy books
and they'll play, you know, test games, and then then
then they'll tour the world.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Yeah, I'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
I've got a friend who's touring the world playing bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Which is a fantastic life. So they just they just
cruise around playing bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
She texted me Yesterda and said, going to the Goldie
for one game. It's not touring the world. Because we
were going to talk about this topic yesterday but we
didn't quite get.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
To it what a life though. But all I knew
about Bridge for a long time was my nana loved it.
She went down to the Bridge Club twice a week
and she practiced in her own time alone, and she
loved it. But that was all I knew about Bridge.
And there's a couple of texts coming through absolutely adore Bridge.

(01:21:03):
That was where I met my husband. Yes, I got
into it a little bit later in life, at the
age of forty eight. But it is a fantastic game,
so much social aspect to it. Love it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Well, this this Texas is guys, Really Bridge? What a
yawn old farts pastime?

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Right there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Well, you see, this is what I said to you, Tyler,
I says to you when you wanted to talk about
Bridge on the radio, I said, really Bridge, And you
know does that excite you?

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
And what it's excited with you is the the the
meeting of love and Bridge. And you've you've been brought
in by this article that says that Bridge is the
new Tinder.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
It's taken me in. You know, they've mentioned this lovely couple,
Charlotte and Tyrell. They met at a Bridge club and
fell deeply in love, and that just really took me in.
That was a story that I could get behind, and
I thought, who else out there in this beautiful country
met at your local bridge club and fell in love?
I reckon this. Heaps are couples, and I reckon this
heaps of young.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Couples as well. This is to be fair, I'm kind
of with Craig here, But oh, eight hundred and eighty,
ten eighty, what's so great about bridge? Can't tell us.
If you're young and you've started playing bridge, we want
to hear from you. And if you found love at bridge,
we want to hear from you. But if you're any age,
and if you're any agent B playing bridge and you've

(01:22:16):
noticed a lot of young people coming into the game,
I'd like to hear about it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, sell it
to us, the game of bridge? What is so special
about the game of bridge? And the younger the better?

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
It's proved to nasays like Craig and myself around Bridge. Okay,
let's prove us wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
Here we go. It is twelve past three. News talks
there B we're talking about bridge clubs. There was a
great story in the Herald about bridge players finding love
at the local bridge club, and these were younger people
finding love. But we want to take it a little
bit broader than that because they mentioned Tinder and as
many people who have been on Tinder know, it is
a dumpsterfy Tinder is just if you're looking for long

(01:22:54):
term love, Tinder is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
Not for you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
And same with a lot of those other online dating aps.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Right, Yeah, me and Dean who's texted through here, we're on.
We support you taking this wider.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Yeah, yeah good, yeah yeah, so and this is going
to be good because we got Tinder, we got bumble
there is is it? Meetups is the other one? So
a lot of pushback for those online dating apps and
a lot of revival about joining these social clubs. So
face to face interactions, and this is what this is about, right,
It's not necessarily about playing bridge at your local bridge club.

(01:23:25):
It is about meeting face to face with light minded people.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Yeah this Texas says, I know you're Nana, she plays
nudy bridge, always first to get her kid off. See people,
I'm just trying to spice this topic up here. I'm
just trying to put a bit of but okay, Tyler, yes,
I'll zone in here. I think there is something in
this and that going to places and doing things with

(01:23:48):
people is a much better way to make a connection
if you're looking for love than getting on the stupid apps.
The stupid apps people are swiping right, it's incredibly swiping rights,
they're swiping left. It's incredibly shallow way to try and
find love. And it's and what happens is twenty percent

(01:24:09):
of the people are just with Well, they do these
surveys and they find that eighty percent of the woman
just go with twenty percent of the men. Yeah, and
so you just get these dudes that are going through
and and sort of dominating the space.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Yeah, I've seen the stats, and it's heartbreaking for a
lot of those guys that are not in the in
that twenty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Yeah, and so for like a guy like you that's
under six foot who's got a great just it's got
a great personality, I think, and over time, you could
you know, when you've got to know someone, maybe you're
playing you're playing bridge, you're part of a bridge club
or something. They'd get to know you and they'd get
to get to love you, but you might be swiped away, yeah,
because they don't know how great you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Are and I just need time to wear someone down.
Is that what you're saying? Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. I mean, there's no doubt about it that
there's been a massive pushback on the likes of tinder
Bumble some of these other apps. Where do you actually
meet people? Is there being a revival of hitting to
the social clubs I mentioned meet up? I think that's
a website you can go to and try and join
a social club that's in your interest, you know, like

(01:25:11):
a tram pink club or in this case, a bridge
club or whatever it is that you're into. You can
join up with these clubs to actually meet people face
to face. There's no intention to find love, but if
you happen to find love, good times.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Yeah, that's right. This Texas says my dad used to
play contact bridge. He was not an old fout. What's
contact Bridge?

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
It's contact bridge, like got some kind of physical act,
you know, like your north south east west and then
there's there's a fight.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
Is that different to neody bridge bridge?

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
So, and like that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
The whole thing with a social club is like you
as you say, Tyler, Yeah, you know there's you go
out and you meet people and initially there men may
be no connection. You just get along and you're doing
the thing, and that this could be the case for
just I mean, this works as well just for finding friends,
right if you're a bit lonely. Initially you're just going along,
you're going the thing, but on a love a love

(01:26:06):
and if love happens, if it sparks up, it might
spark up six months after you've been going to the club.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Because how else do you meet people? Now if you
meet people at work, and if you can't find a
love connection at work, how else do you do it?
Because people aren't finding that connection in bars anymore, are they.
Apparently it's very difficult that you know, if you're a
fella trying to approach a woman, that can be very
difficult because you come off as maybe a bit creepy
on what you do anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Apparently people are siloed because of the apps, because people
go out on dates, dates and just and from the apps. Right, yeah,
and so the idea that you'd meet some of the
bar has kind of disappeared for young people. It's seen
a little bit creepy to come up someone.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've joined
a social club, how did you go about it? Did
you manage to find a connection at the social club?
And how.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
It's contract bridge not context.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Ah, I'm so sorry, dear Texter. That was Matt's fault.
You blame it for that. Scatchy's come back now again. Yeah,
contract not context.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
I'm going to I'm going to start a sport called
contact bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Oh yeah, and how's that? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
You make a bid on how many tracks you're going
to get over six and part of the bid is that,
you know, you get to slap you know if you
lose this as slap, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
This is like a hybrid between power slap and bridge. Yeah,
I might take off.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
It's a hybrid between run it and bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Yeah. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you've got off the dating apps? How
are you actually meeting people these days? Love to hear
from you. It is nineteen past three.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Good afternoon, and we're talking about where you met your
significant other? This is on the back of people finding
love at their local bridge club. But as we know,
a lot a lot of people are turning off the
likes of Tinder and bumble and trying to meet humans
face to face again. If that's you, how did you
meet your significant other? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Well this Texas says I met my husband at a funeral.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Yeah, it's uh. It's kind of like part of the
plot to that movie Wedding Crashes, you know, with Vince
Vaughn and Ron Wilson, and you know they've been going
to the the weddings to meet ladies, and then they
come across Will Farrell. Who's who's been going to funerals?

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Step above. Yeah, guys, mom me love high team. I
asked out my kids day kid teacher. So far, so good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Are you allowed to do that?

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Yeah, there's no patient client confidentiality when it comes to
your kids teacher, is it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
I think the day kid teacher is fine. I think
it's It might be a little bit challenging if you
start dating your high school kids teacher, is it? I
don't know, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Well, my dad dated one of my high school teachers.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Did he yeah, my mom, Oh right, okay, well that's okay,
then that's okay. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call this texta sees guys. Both of
my daughters and three nephews all met their collective husbands
and long term partners via Tinder. So not all bad,
but yes, many young people are trying to meet face

(01:29:18):
to face again.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Yeah, and this says I'm a marriage celebrant. Every second
couple is a Tinder couple. But what we're saying is
if say you were on Tinder and it's not working,
so you're going out because these people that are texting
us through have got at that there is a there
is a there's a Tinder. There's an app fatigue where
people just get grim. They just keep going out and
they're meeting people and it doesn't work or they're getting

(01:29:42):
you know, bad, bad encounters and they're just not finding
love for a very very long time. And that's because
you're kind of hooking with someone up with someone you know,
like you're kind of meeting up with someone on quite
a shallow set of parameters.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
It's a gamification of love. Is that really?

Speaker 6 (01:30:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Exactly, exactly whereas all Tyler was saying, and to defend
Tyler's point was that if you joined a club, then
of any kind of thing, it could be a bridge,
club could be anything. Yeah, if you join that, then
over time you might make a connection and it's more
real and you know more about them, and then you
get a chance to show what you've got outside of

(01:30:21):
just how tall you are and how hot you are.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Yeah, and isn't that a better way to have an
interaction with somebody that you do have a genuine conversation
and they can't swipe your right and say, nah, don't
like the look of your nose. You'll go on and
on to the next one. Rather they've actually got a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Rather than sitting in a bar across the table from
someone trying to impress them or get to the bottom
of them quite quickly when you've arrived and you immediately
know you don't like them, and this is a waste
of time, and you're thinking about how quick you get
out there, while the rest of the bar looks at
you and goes, hey, look at that tinder date that
looks awkward.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Yeah, exactly, oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call on the line. We've got Kate Terry.
She is a board member at New Zealand Bridge and
also traveling to China to represent your healing. Very soon, Kate,
very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 15 (01:31:04):
Good afternoon, lovely to chat.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Now, Kate, is are there a a lot more younger
people joining bridge?

Speaker 18 (01:31:12):
You know what?

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
There are?

Speaker 15 (01:31:13):
I think that as people think about mind sports, think
about sports and events and games that really challenge them
but they can do forever, We're starting to see some
amazing young people come into the game and as that happens,
of course they bring in more of their friends and
other people see that they are young people playing bridge.
So yes, absolutely, and.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
It's sorry, Kate brilliant to see.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Yeah you go, oh no, sorry, But Kate young as
a relative term. So when you say younger people coming in,
what's young for a bridge player?

Speaker 15 (01:31:46):
Young for a bridge player in their lateeen's, early twenties, wow,
and sometimes even younger you know some classes have Yeah,
there is young. Yeah, yeah, there are some players who
are definitely in that age bracket and a lot that aren't.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
But some that are.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
How smart do you have to be to play bridge?
Because I've never played it? But just it's famously as
you describe it, did you describe it as a mind game?
It's mindsport, yeah, mind sport. It's you know, you can
probably learn the rules to start with, but to go
and be successful out of it, you have to be
very smart, don't you.

Speaker 15 (01:32:21):
Well you have to have a love of cards, an
enjoyment of people, be a bit competitive, and then take
it on from there. I'm sure there's some very smart
people playing bridge, but there's some people who just love
the game and play it for enjoyment as well. So
it's smartness isn't a prerequisite. It's more about a love
of cards and a bit of a mind that solves problems.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Have you seen any relationships blossom at your club.

Speaker 15 (01:32:45):
K oh one or two over the years and around
the around the bridge circuit. Absolutely, and it's a beautiful
thing to see. But as well as romantic relationships, which
of course are awesome, one of the brilliant things about
bridge is the social connection that gives people, and that
is remarkable. And you know, people of every age who

(01:33:05):
play the game, that social connection, that friendship is incredible.
I mean, I'm lucky enough to have played bridge in
a few countries and it's something you can do all
around the world for many, many years, and you just
meet some fantastic people doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Have you got the same bridge partner all the time?

Speaker 19 (01:33:22):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:33:22):
No, my bridge partner I'm playing within China lives in Wellington,
so she and I are playing traveling later on today
I am going out there, but I play with people
here locally. And yeah, you play with different people in
different events. And obviously you know, playing at the club
here in Torona is different to playing the big tournaments

(01:33:44):
and events, and the club Bridge just such fun, amazing people.
They're actually there this afternoon. They'll be having their lovely
Tuesday afternoon session, having a good time and then going home.
And who knows, new friendship sparking at the table today
perhaps Yeah, oh well it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
And so look, how do I put this? Are you
more likely to you know, succeed as as a romantic
couple if you're a couple is north south you know
that that sort of you know connection husbands and wives
or whatever? The connection? Then if you're your friends, is

(01:34:21):
there is an advantage and love being part of it?

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
Well, as with.

Speaker 15 (01:34:26):
All of these things, it's yes and no, isn't it some.
There are some fantastic couples who play amazing bridge together,
I mean live in blair Fisher or off to China,
and obviously Lessandra and Tim amazing their first international event
coming up in China. And then there are some couples
who perhaps it's best that they don't play bridge together.

(01:34:47):
And there are other bridge partnerships with people who obviously
good friends, who trust one another, who enjoy the game together,
mother and daughter combinations, friends, all sorts of different combinations.
But yeah, from time to time the couple who play
well together just fabulous to see.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
Yeah, hey, I've got a question for you. If you're
north south, you also always north south? Or if you
are a north south, can you flip to east west
if you know you know what I'm saying? Or is
that just where you're having to sit down.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
At the table?

Speaker 15 (01:35:17):
Depends on the format of the game. So for a
club session, you'd stay north south all afternoon and you'd
be visited by the east west pairs. They travel around
the room, and in tournaments they often mix it up
so that you might be north south in one session
and then east west in another, so you'd be lost
south for a period of time. But you definitely don't
have to stay always in one seat or the other.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Have you ever been in a situation where you're playing
North South and then someone from the east starts heading
on someone from the north south.

Speaker 12 (01:35:42):
If you know what I'm saying, I couldn't possibly come out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
You definitely can't be doing it North South because that'd
be some kind of would be seen as some kind
of tricky communication, wasn't it. You definitely couldn't play foot
seats under the table because if you were on the
same team, because then that would be they would be
seen as cheating, wouldn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:36:02):
Well, there are ways of the ways that that possibly
would be. But I think you know, if the chemistry's there,
then you've probably got the before the session, after the session,
and manage manage the chemistry during during the session.

Speaker 14 (01:36:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
And final question, can you make a Can you make
a lot of money touring and playing in different places
and bridge tournaments? Is there a bit of cash involved?

Speaker 15 (01:36:22):
Not really in New Zealand. I mean we're some of
our most amazing players. Michael Wibley, who's an incredible player,
you know, bridge is pretty much his life. And Ashley
Bark who's also bridge professional Nick Jacob. But in New
Zealand there's not a huge market. But around the world, yes,
there are people who make a lot of money as
bridge professionals, and our very own Matthew Brown awesome player,

(01:36:46):
also young and has been invited to prestigious international events
with significant prize money. But for the New Zealand player
typically it's a game you love and you're not really
in it for the prize money.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Good ddy, Well, good luck in China, and thank you
so much for talking to us today.

Speaker 15 (01:37:05):
Thank you very much, and hopefully we'll have more people
coming and join.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Are you what's the great game?

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
What's the best way to join bridge? If you're interested?

Speaker 15 (01:37:13):
Well, if you can't, look at the New Zealand Bridge
website and playbridge dot co dot enz, have a look,
talk to someone and we'll see at the table.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
Well just quickly, Kate, I know next to nothing about bridge.
If I just turn up. Is there someone that you've
got at the club who has to have the punishing
job of trying to teach me how to play bridge?
Or would you like me to school myself up a
little bit before I turn up to the club.

Speaker 15 (01:37:33):
No, No, we actually have lots of lessons going on
all around the country. So if you contact your local club,
they'll tell you when they are and then people come
along and learn together and then play together afterwards, which
is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
There you go, and maybe even fine love.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
That's Kate Terry, board member of New Zealand Bridge. There
you go, Hey, listen to this text. My ex wife
was a Bridge player. I had a long term of
fear with another playing destroying another player, destroying both families. Wow,
dodgy Bridge players.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Well yeah, I mean, can you blame Bridge for that
or you know that seems well to hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Dear, Well, well, Tyler, you're trying to sell Bridges a
place to find love. Yeah, so what people go along
to Bridge and they find love like this outside of
their relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
But I guarantee that was that was a northeast situation
rather than clockwise. You know, there's some obviously some malachy
going on there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
You're basically promoting home wrecking.

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Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we have been talking
about bridge, but the conversation has gone a little bit
wider than bridge. We still want to talk to you.
If you have a bridge player, what do you get
out of it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
I think you have been sucked in by clickbait the
tyler with your story that you've turned up. You're all
happy and excited because said that more and more people
are finding love and bridge in its space and become
the new tender.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Well, yeah, I'll just go on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
That's not playing out in the course. Well, lossand Terry
didn't seem to think there was a hot bed of
love happening, but we are finding that a lot of
young people are playing bridge for that something.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Yes, and it is incredibly popular one hundred and eight
clubs around New Zealand. Guys. As a teenager in the eighties,
I remember finding love under the tortator park bridge. Is
that the same thing? Not quite?

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Yeah, See, this is misunderstanding. You know there is still
people finding a lot of love under bridges, but not
necessarily playing bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
Yeah, there's not a social clubs for that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
You know, if you grow up in a small town
then aways there's often a lot happens under bridges and
small towns.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Yeah, certainly, but if you are a bridge player, I
love to hear from you on oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
And also like we were running down tinder before, but
this is Marx's high team. After a year and a
half of difficult times like being scammed and robbed, I
ended up meeting my partner of eight years at a
flat I was basically homeless, living in my client's office.
She was a waitress at a restaurant I went to
a few months ago and she happened to be my flatmate.
We are now engaged to get married and I'm flying

(01:41:15):
to India in October.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
There you go, congratulations.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
There wasn't bridge Tyler. No, Andrea, Hello, Oh you started
playing bridge when you were twelve years old?

Speaker 22 (01:41:27):
I did at school. We had lots of clubs on
a lunchtime, so we had chess club and bridge club
and everything.

Speaker 15 (01:41:34):
So I looked bridge at the age of twelve, and.

Speaker 22 (01:41:37):
I think, if you're good at maths, or you're good
at strategically thinking who's got what you know in their hand,
then you'd really enjoy it. And I'm sure it would
be super social to meet people as well. So I'm
going to rejoin the Bridge club next year. Not this year,
I'm too busy, But next year I'll probably do a
refresher course. I think they do lots of courses around
the country and you can just start from scratch, So

(01:42:00):
I'll just start from scratch and then I'm sure it
will come back to me as time goes on. But yeah,
I would recommend people go to bridge. I think I
think it's a great social social skill.

Speaker 11 (01:42:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
Coomer's just texted. Actually, Auckland Bridge Club has a fifteen
week learned to Play Bridge course starting seventeenth of July
twenty twenty five the year go.

Speaker 16 (01:42:18):
Well there you go.

Speaker 22 (01:42:18):
Yeah, yeah, so I would recommend it anyway. Yeah, I
think face to face is everything in a relationship. I mean,
I'm not sure, and you also get to you've got
to be able to sort of read your partner and
what they're thinking when they call, what their cards have
got in their hands, soorry, Yeah, definitely I would recommend it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
So if that is the case, then should I be
worried if my partner starts playing bridge that she might
make a connection with another man?

Speaker 23 (01:42:44):
Yeah, yeah, I would definitely go along.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
Don't let her go alone, So that would be a
good motivation for me to take up bridge. She goes
to bridge, She goes, I've met this. We've got an
amazing connection across the table. I'll be like, right, I'm
doing I'm doing the fifteen week course. Let's go.

Speaker 22 (01:43:03):
But if you do things as a couple, you also
they when they say something or whatever to no trumps,
you know what they mean by that. You know they've
got a you know, an even spread or whatever.

Speaker 13 (01:43:15):
Cards.

Speaker 20 (01:43:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:43:16):
I just think the more you play with your part
of the same partner, the more you can, you know,
tell each other what you've got in your hands without cheating.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
Yeah, well met was also an athlete, did you know, Andrea,
which to bridge players, I imagine would be very sixy.

Speaker 22 (01:43:33):
I don't know, but I think you'd meet like minded
people as well.

Speaker 12 (01:43:37):
You know, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
And there's there's a basic standard of intelligence that will
need to be to be able to do.

Speaker 22 (01:43:47):
You have to be able to count, and you have
to be able to If you've got a great memory,
then you'll be able to remember what everybody else has played,
and then what you've got in your hand, you'd be
able to work out what's left in their hands. Yeah,
but I'm sure, yeah, it's quite easy to learn. But yeah,
definitely a place of meeting people. I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
I'll let you know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Please do okay, keep us up late, I wait, undred
eighty ten eighty will always take your call. Andrea, thank
you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Well there you go, Matte. I mean, Andrea is a
messive convert for a bridge. Well, she learned it when
she was twelve, to be fair, but no doubt about it.
In her mind, that is the place that love blossoms.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
Someone says yoga and or more moy Thai are great
places to find love.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Could I could see that because yoga, you you know,
you were doing some some sixty things with your body
sometimes if you got it?

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
What, no, Tyler, If you're going along to yoga and
then you're looking around, that's wrong. Are you one of
those people that goes to the back of the class
and sets up their matt.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
I've never been to a yoga class. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
Just start having an eyefall of what's going on. That's
not what yoga's about.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
I'm just judging what I've seen online and on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
That is I'm actually I'm not easily disgusted by someone.
But if you're planning to go along to yoga classes
make people feel uncomfortable by staring at them while they're
doing their they're downward dog, then you need to look
in the mirror.

Speaker 6 (01:45:13):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
If you've found love at yoga, I went hundred eighty
ten eighty and let Matt know that is a good
place to meet someone. Muy Thai as well, by the way, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Yeah, well I've done yoga and muy Thai and I've
never met anyone there.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
No, no, well you weren't doing yoga probably will you?
It is nineteen two four, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call love to hear from
you if you're a bridge player, or if you found
love at yoga.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Yeah, and like sorry to all those people that have
been ogre you know, ogled by Tyler at yoga sessions.
It's not what it's about.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
We're all adults here.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 4 (01:45:50):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
It is sixteen to four. We have been talking about bridge.
But you're a right mate, you look a little bit frustrated.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
I'm just totally you know, when you've been going back
and forth with someone on like, you know, I was
trying to order these new glasses yeap, because it was
a shape that I wanted, and I got this email
and it said, look, we don't have those glasses at
the moment, blah blah, and it was a very nice email,
and I went back and back and forth, and then

(01:46:20):
I sent them a picture of the ones I want,
which I want glasses that look like the Ones and
the Kingsman movies because I think they look cool, very cool. Yeah,
so I got excited about trying to get some Kingsmen.
Yeah yeah. And then I just realized it's an Ai.
So you feel like your heart's being ripped out of
you because I thought I was having this friendly back
and forth and I thought, how lovely this person has

(01:46:40):
taken the time to communicate with me about this. And
then and then they said thing at the end that
made me realize, I've been talking to an Ai back
and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Absolute fall.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
I know, I just feel like it just feels so hollow.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
But isn't that appt for what we're talking about right now?
Human connets and forget about tender. Go down to your
local Bridge club and play face to face rather than
be like Matt and just chat to AIS on your
phone all day.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
I feel betrayed. And people that companies that are running AI,
they need to understand how how people feel when they
find out they've been talking to AI. You feel like
you've had the rug pulled out from you, like you're
being tricked, Like they've been playing a parlor trick on you,
and you're you're the object of the joke. Yeah, because
they because they've it's obviously been programmed to be very friendly,
so you feel like you've got a connection. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:47:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
What happened when you asked for the Colin Firth classes?

Speaker 6 (01:47:29):
Did it?

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
Did it come back with laughing emojis? And that's when
you figured out it was an AI.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
No, it came back and said I sent a picture
through of the Colin Firth's classes and then and it said,
we can't I can't look at that. I'm like, why
can't you look at that? I mean it could be
a blind person. To be fair, maybe I've been not
fair anyway. Anyway, Tyroll, welcome to the show. You Found
Love at Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
Yeah, good guys, that's right, fantastic A bit.

Speaker 17 (01:47:58):
Of a roundabout way though. So I started playing bridge
like your last fool a fairly earlier, but it was
because my old man he was well into it. He
loved bridge, but it was a bit too intense, and
so it's a partnership game, so he kind of burnt
through a few partners old enough, he thought, oh, you know,
here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
And so how did you get into the sport originally, Tyrell?
Were you always a bit fascinated with bridge or how
did that come about?

Speaker 19 (01:48:25):
Well?

Speaker 17 (01:48:25):
No, I was My old man loved it's you know,
as soon as I was old enough, he said all right,
here's a book learning this and we'll take you down
to the club. And then the next for you know,
eight to ten years, he just dragged me up and
down the countryside, getting pretty good. So I got quite
good at bridge quite early, you know. And then and
then I got my sort of late teens early twenties
and I thought, all shit, baby, bridge isn't what I'd

(01:48:46):
be doing with the time. But anyway, fast forward a
few years and I was at a Thames tournament with him.
Because every now and then i'd still ring him up
and would have a game. Yeah, and then I saw
I saw now my wife, you know, playing bridge, and
I wanted to go and talk to her. After that,
she just took off. She was gone, she was she's
played her cards and she.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
Was at she was at another table. Not she wasn't
you know, you went.

Speaker 17 (01:49:09):
Playing in another team. I dodn't end up playing her.
But then a week later I was on Tinder and
then I came across it. You know, we swiped and
we had a match and I said, you know, the
first thing I said is did I see you at
the bridge tournament last weekend? And that was it, And
that was it. So she bridge bridges like chess. You've

(01:49:29):
got kind of points, you know, you've got a like
a rating system. And so she was on the internet
straight away seeing how many points they got and thought,
if it's the bill that term and that was the
rest is history.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
So this is a beautiful story. This is a hybrid
between you know, finding love and the digital age on
the apps and and the real the real will part
of it because in the old days you might have
seen this this perfect person and they just walk off
and they've got no way to find them. And it
would break your heart. Are you living in a smallish area.

Speaker 17 (01:50:01):
Yeah, well we're in Tadaha now.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
And when when you when you found the match, because
you know, like.

Speaker 17 (01:50:07):
If you I was, I was actually living on a boat.
I brought a boat after Union. I try to sail
it around the country and unsuccessfully on my add but
I was packed up in song Matar. I think she
had a back Tyra. So it was it was quite
lucky that the radius is overlapped.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
So you were just just traveling around your boat, firing
up your tinder and finding a new catchment area.

Speaker 17 (01:50:31):
Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
This is a beautiful wrong com situation.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Just to drill in a little bit further to your story, Tyrell.
So but when you where had you seen her at bridge?

Speaker 13 (01:50:40):
It was?

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Was it in that area that you were on the
boat that you've seen her at bridge in?

Speaker 17 (01:50:44):
Yah?

Speaker 11 (01:50:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Okay, So yeah, and you fight up there's there. What
a beautiful story and it's still going strong. Are you
partners together now in terms.

Speaker 13 (01:50:52):
Of the bridge and we.

Speaker 17 (01:50:55):
Yeah, And we were teach the lessons now at the
local club as well for a number of years.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
So I take it she didn't put bridge player on
her Tinder profile. It was just luck that you saw
her that night.

Speaker 17 (01:51:06):
Yeah, I just I don't think putting Bridge on your
tender profile is the way to go if you're.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
Looking to you sure, And what's the name of your
the bridge club that you're that you're involved in.

Speaker 17 (01:51:23):
So Tiatah Bridge Club.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
Chada have Bridge Club? Okay? So and so you've got
spaces for people to sign up if they want to.

Speaker 17 (01:51:29):
Yeah, anyone's interested, they just they can. They can sort
of Google search it and there'll be a poster or
a name or a number will pop up and just
reach out. And so we're we're halfway through our kind
of ten week lessons now and yeah, as I said,
third year running and it's going strong. We're adding adding
a good number of people to the club each year.
It's one of if i'd say New Zealand's fastest growing
clubs and definitely one of the most friendly.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
And it's can you guarantee that you'll see the girl
of your dreams there?

Speaker 17 (01:51:53):
I mean it is Tiataha, Yes, depending on how vivid
your dreams are, want to get to a certain age,
husband start dropping off. So there is an eligible call,
but it's in a demographic that I don't.

Speaker 14 (01:52:04):
Know suits everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
It's a good disclaimer.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Well, someone was texting through and you might be able
to know if this is true that there's a twenty
one year old man and an eighty three year old
woman representing New Zealand in the mixed doubles in the world.
Is that true?

Speaker 17 (01:52:17):
Yeah, And so the eighty four year old came out
of retirement to play. She's kind of been quite well
known in the Bridge circus. Jane Cormack, I think your
name was all right, but yeah, you get you get
all sorts of kind of combinations going on a bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
Well, look, I am so happy for you and you
and your lovely partner that you found love through bridge.
What a fantastic story.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
Yeah, awesome, all right, Tyrell, thank you very much. And
there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
Matsy. I told you you're right. It took you fifty
one minutes to get it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
It's prevalent out there. There's a lot of people fighting
love at Bridge with a little bit of Tinder in
the mix as well. And that's, you know, that's what
we do on the show. Just beautiful, maybe calm style stories.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Maybe that sounds like a rom com what you'd call it.
I guess you'd call it bridgeton, wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
Yeah, if you think of a title for Tyrell's romcom
involving a man on a boat and bridge and tinder.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Which tricks north south east west, I don't know. We'll
work on that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
Yeah, we'll get beat to you on that one. She
suits you, that's pretty good. Actually, yeah, she suits you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
All right, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:53:24):
Eight is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Someone might be able to answer this question. Is there
any are there any bridge clubs in Nelson?

Speaker 3 (01:53:31):
Surely if you're if you're a bridge player in Nelson.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Nine two nine two, I don't have any fingers to google.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
It is eight to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
Talk zed B, News Talk, zed B. Denise, how are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 18 (01:53:52):
No?

Speaker 23 (01:53:52):
Now, I'm going to be really quick.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
Yep.

Speaker 23 (01:53:54):
Okay. So I met my husband through my through his dog.
He came to live next door. I hadn't met him,
and he was on night shifts and every night his
dog would be outside crying, and I'm a dog lover.
I get in my dressing gown, go down next door,
pick his dog up and take him into bed with me.
And that happened for about three weeks, and in the

(01:54:16):
mornings he'd come home, call the dog, the dog would
come to him. Three weeks later, he got home, called
the dog, the dog didn't come. I woke up in
the morning. He was in bed with me and the
dog in the middle. And that's the end of the story.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
Oh, that is lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
But eventually, eventually the dog wasn't in the middle.

Speaker 23 (01:54:38):
Well, let's not go there. But anyway, we've been married
for two years and together for ten years. The only
thing is we didn't realize until quite some time later
that I'm ten years younger than him, but no eleven.
But anyway, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
Fine, that's fine. Oh, thank you so much for you
call Denise.

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
What a beautiful story that is.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
That is a beautiful story. We were talking before about
a bridge related rom com. What the name would be
Bridge over Troubled Waters. Someone saying it's not and that's
not a bad one.

Speaker 14 (01:55:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
Someone else is saying, hearts afloat this one. I don't
get this one. Playing the hand, Oh yeah, that'll work.
So that you're coming through suitors Lover is a wild
card Bridget Yeah, okay, all right, thank you very much
across the table. Yeah, it's a nice one. Well, Tyler,
I've got an apology to you. But yet start of
this hour I said, we're doing this subject for Tyler

(01:55:32):
because he read this article. He got excited about love
it Bridge and yeah, I don't think it was excited.
And Craig, guys, you guys bloody teamed up on me.

Speaker 6 (01:55:39):
Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
Craig texted someone, here is the card you dealt me?
There so many of them coming through, But I apologizing
very much. Enjoyed that chat.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:55:49):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Love will find the way, as we say. But thank
you very much to everybody who phoned and text on
that one. We'll compile all those rom com titles and
maybe post them on our Facebook page so everybody can
have a look. But we'll do it all again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
Yeah, thank you very great. New zealanis for listening. We've
had a great time. The Mettantila Afternoons podcast will be
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