Full Show Podcast: 13 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello are you great, New Zealanders. It is a nice
round number coming into you today. It is Matt and
Tyler Full Show pocast number two twenty for the thirteenth
of October. It's a Monday. Oh my gosh, it's my
sister's birthday.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Hi, happy birthday. I have to text and Louise, you've
still got time, You've still got time.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Happy birthday, big sis, Happy birthday. I just noticed it
was October the thirteenth a year.

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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Incredible show. Hopefully we're involved in some great saves. We've
heard some incredible stories of people being scammed later in
the show, like I can't. It's just so shocking, and
you know how people can fall for these scams, but
you can. It seems so gullible in retrospect, but you know,
and they know as much as you do afterwards, how

(01:03):
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Stories, the issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Said, be well, good day to you, welcome into Monday afternoon.
Really good to have your company as always. Hope you're
doing well.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
How you doing, Matt, I'm doing fantastic. Thank you where
you are, whoever you are. Thanks for tuning into our show.
You great New Zealand. We've got a lot coming up
in the next three hours.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Got a doozy for you back. Yeah, it's a big show.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, it's a huge I was in Hawk's Bay for
the Hawks Bay Readers and Writers Fist for what a
fantastic event there was a had have great time, great organizers,
love Hawks Bay, beautiful hanging around Hastings nice, very very
very warm down there.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I was in what do you call it a speech? Yeah,
I think of speech and event on stage with a
couple of great New Zealanders, Sam the trap Man, Sam Gibson,
who was he was elected to to because he counsel
you know, and just before we went on stage, and
also a guy called Harry everall that you heard on

(02:18):
our show on Friday after a man. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
But anyway, when I was on stage, I said something
and as I was flying back, I realized it could
have been misconstrued. Okay, So I said, I was talking
about loyalty, and I was talking about life and how
you know, it's important to have people on your side,
right yep. And I said mums and dogs they're very similar.

(02:41):
That was my point. And but but but then the
conversation moved on and I realized didn't really elaborate on
that point. And this seems like a small thing, but
you know, you want to control the narrative what you've
said when you've you know, didn't get to talk to
everyone in the audience afterwards, obviously.

Speaker 6 (02:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, So what I meant though when I said mums
are dogs very similar as and I meant in terms
of loyalty.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, okay, I get that. I can understand where you
came from.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
But when all ours fails, you know, obviously mums and
dads and dogs are very different. Yes, but they're always
very loyal to you, and they're always willing to support
you generally speaking.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Right, they're very happy to see you walk through the
dogs YadA, no doubt about it. When you walk through
the door and mum's there, always very happy. When I
walk through the door and my dog's there, she is
over the moon that I'm home.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, So, and that one regard mums and dogs are
very similar.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah yeah, good to clarify that, because just as a
throwaway comment, I could see how some people in the
audience might have thought I need more.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well they might have thought, I mean in terms of
personal hygiene or something, you know, or diet or intelligence.
So I just sort of clear that up just in
case there was anyone there that's listening to the show.
A few people to text through that were that were
there at the show. That's what I meant by that comment.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Okay, Yeah, good to clarify. Yeah, fantastic. Hey, now just
quickly before we move on, there was a couple of
ticks coming through about your kiwi fruit addiction as well.
This one says one k sorry for kiwi fruit a
day that is adult and neppy material.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah right, So I'm a big fan of kiwi fruit.
Massive give them a taste of kiwi as I always say,
they're so very very good for you, and my doctor
put me on Keiwi fruit for health. Reasons, and like
everything in my life, I take it to the extreme.
So now I'm up to four key we fruit today,
and then someone's text it through and said, that's twenty

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eight a week. So if you line them all up
when you start looking at like that, that is quite a.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Lot of key fruit, isn't That would cover this table easily,
That is if you stack up twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
So we're buying a lot of key we fruit in
my house to support my addiction. Yeah, I mean I'm
going to start robbing houses to pay for my keiwi
fruit addiction.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
It's getting pretty close to that situation now, Yeah, very good.
Keep those takes coming through. But on to today's show.
It as a doozy after three o'clock. In China, the
government has launched a campaign a targeting what it calls
cynicism or pessimistic and defeatist content online. So these are
posts that suggest hard workers pointless. For example, they don't
like that that also highlights social frustrations. All that promote

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what officials describe is totally cynical. So let's put China
to one side here because I think we all know
that how China operates in these circumstances is certainly not
how we'd want our government to operate.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I mean, the Chinese Communist Party is a horrific dictatorship
that will suppress anyone that goes up against it in
their in their lust to keep their power. Right, yes, so,
but there is something to be said about you know
what this this particular agency which is the Chinese cyber
Netic something. I can't remember exactly what they're called, but anyway,

(05:41):
the point they were saying was just one second, I'm
looking for it. I've got the wrong but here, here
we go, here we go.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
This is what happens with the research. I mean, there's
tomes and tomes of deep research here.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
The Cyberspace Administration of China said, we all experience fatigue
and anxiety, but these emotions should not be amplified for traffic.
The Internet is not a dumping ground for negativity. So
we obviously don't want to shut down any free speech
in US. We want everyone to say whatever they want
to say, and we want to elevate free speech. Obviously,
everyone agrees with that. What everyone's saying, agrees with that right,
But cynicism needs to be pointed out. I think, and

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I think New Zealand has become more and more and
more negative. And cynicism and negativity is very easy. It's
very hard to build things, and it's very hard to
hold on to hope and positivity in a society. And
it's very very easy, and I would say lazy, just
to tear everything down. And it exemplifies the Dunna Kruger effect.

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Just everything you don't understand you tear down.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yep, a lot of that online.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
So let's talk about that as New Zealand becoming too
cynical and how do we fight back against it?

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Looking forward to that after three o'clock. After two o'clock,
a woman who fell victim to a romance scam found
herself in a bad situation when she was caught attempting
to smuggle methan fhetamine into New Zealand at Auckland Airport.
She's sixty years old. She was duped into believing she
was helping a love interest in need, only to discover
she was unknowingly involved in a transnational drug trafficking opera.

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It's so sad, real sad.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And you know, out of all the scams, these romance
scams are so sad because someone believes the answer to
their loneliness and has been solved and they've found love.
And to be betrayed and humiliated by someone that you
thought was going to save you from your life. It's
so tragic. So but it's happening more and more. It is, so,

(07:34):
you know, I think it's good to talk about it
and talk about the signs and that people can look
out for. So have you or a family member been
caught up in a romance scam? But equally on the
other side of cynicism, have you of your family member
fallen in love with someone who was too good to
be true and found out later whilst you were judging

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someone in your family thinking that they're being scammed, found
out later that it's all legit. Yeah, and that rich, beautiful, smart,
caring person was the real deal.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
We're really keen on those stories. It must have worked
out somewhere out there. So that is after two o'clock
looking forward your phone calls then. But right now, let's
have a chat about voter turnout. It was abysmal, as
we all know now after the local body elections that
were held over the weekend. The counts are still coming
through for those specials But here are the numbers as
it stood on Saturday, just thirty two percent voted across

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New Zealand. That is down from forty percent to twenty
twenty two. Auckland was terrible. Auckland had the lowest voting
percentage of anywhere at twenty one percent. Hamilton wasn't too
far above that at twenty two percent. The councils that
did okay, and i'll emphasize okay was bull A district
at forty five percent, still under fifty. McKenzie was just

(08:45):
over forty five as well, and Gore, good old Gore
forty four percent. So that's the best of the best.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
So that's the best. So less than fifty percent, we'll
start celebrating forty five percent. It should be ninety percent,
shouldn't it.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Really, I mean, you know, the amout we talk about it.
Twenty one percent in Auckland. That is absolutely shocking. But
the question is whose fault is it? So? Whose fault
that people? Is it that people aren't going out and voting?
Is it the candidate's fault for not being interesting enough?

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yep, is a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Is it a previous council's fault for people losing heart
and not wanting to vote because nothing seems to change
whether you vote or not, or is it us individually
it's fault but.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
A personal responsibility?

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, is it the is a fault. But how do
you change that? Because every single thing they've done right,
So the more active they've been in to get in
getting people fault vote, that punishing orange guy, jumping around,
whatever they do, it doesn't it doesn't help.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, it's it's going downs, going down each time. So
now we're at in Auckland twenty one percent. Where do
you go from there for the next time? Does it
go down to fifteen percent? So really get to hear
from you on this one. I wait, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty Whose fault is it that we've had
such abysmal voter turnout? It's nine to ninety two is
the text number?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
You might agree with Andrew, who's just kicks it through.
There's nothing wrong with the low turnout. If people don't care,
what is the point of them voting? In reality, even
if engaged, it's hard to know how good the candidates are. Yep,
So according to Andrew, it's not a big problem that
no one votes.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
If you agree with Andrew. I love to have a
chat with you. Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
And after the breakoff, got a little, a little, a
little confession to make.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
All right, brace yourself for this at sixteen past one.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Very good afternoons you It is eighteen pass one, so
low voter turnout. It's the worst it's ever been. Whose
fault is it? Love to get your thoughts. We've got
full boards at the moment. If you can't get through,
keep trying.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
When am I going to make my shameful admission?

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I think you've got to do that. Now let it
off your chair. If you're in your safe space, okay,
well you're not in a safe space. Actually no, Well
this is a very dangerous space.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, I mean that's what we love about it. Oh wait,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is a very dangerous space.
Those the text number. Yep, you know we wanted to
be dangerous. So yeah, this is not a safe space.
And after doing an entire show on this on this
particular show one afternoon around this time, YEP, a couple
of weeks ago, lecturing people on having to vote and

(11:24):
how important it is to vote. I didn't. I didn't
come on. I didn't do it, and I don't feel
good about it. But I just kept putting it off.
There was other things. I was busy. And then I
was on my flight to Hawk's Bay on Friday, and
I was, oh, no, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Do it, and you buggered by that stage, Hey, what
do you do? You can't fly? So I tune this
plan around. I forgot to vote.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, And then I was very busy down there. I
mean maybe I could have organized to vote down there
for Auckland, could you.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, I think maybe you can do a special. I
think you might have lefted a bit late on the day.
I don't know if it's that easy.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Anyway, The point is that I didn't vote, and yeah,
and so.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
See the irony out there.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
You go, This text has just come through, Matt Heath.
This is how quickly this is. This is how this
is not a safe space. Matt Heath, irresponsible not to vote.
Don't criticize your council, don't use council facilities and don't
comply about rates. Again. You say your excuse was you
were out of town. You had plenty of time to
put an envelope in beforehand. Gaale, angry face. Yeah, get

(12:32):
in there, Gale, or don't use any council facilities. Is
a bit hard because only twenty one percent of people
in Auckland voted.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
There's a lot of people who found put out their rubbish.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Seventy nine per That'd be a catastrophe of seventy nine
percent of people. There's a lot of smelly streets. Yeah no,
but hither I'm on I mean, Gale, I'm on your side.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
The irony that was a bit of a slip of
the thing there. The irony of all that made is
that I was kind of fifty to fifty on whether
I was going to vote because it was a lot harder.
I'm registered in christ Jews because I didn't get my
a entergy in register up here. So I was seriously considering, oh,
you know, do I really go through the theft of it.
But after a fan fantastic rant from you on that
day to say it's your civic duty, they got me

(13:13):
sparked up and I said, right, I've got to I've
got to.

Speaker 8 (13:15):
Do the right thing here and then all along I'm
a disgusting, dirty hypocrite with no more right to live
on God's green earth than a weasel.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
It's about harsh, Pam.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Hi.

Speaker 9 (13:30):
It should be compulsory to vote in local body and
national election because everybody's very quick to tech a wobbley
and wings rates go up, and the governments should be
doing this. And you know, on both sides, all the
things they want, and they're all very good to criticize

(13:52):
in loan and bitch, But how many of them didn't vote?
That's always out there.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah that people like people like me, Pam, But wow,
you were just a little dier.

Speaker 10 (14:05):
You See.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
The question for the s is whose fault is it
that the turnout is so low? And in my case,
the fault is completely on me.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
You're taking one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I'm taking one hundred percent. I'm understing my focus because
I had everything in front of me to do it.
I just didn't. I just I just didn't do it.
So in my case, and that might not be the
case of everyone, it was one hundred percent my fault.

Speaker 9 (14:28):
Okay, Well, if you want to put a blame pepper
crist selfishness?

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yep, what else think along those keeping?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Laziness? It's got to be into it, yes, laziness, disorganization.

Speaker 9 (14:50):
Yeah, well there's no excuse, we're all busy, peep.

Speaker 11 (14:54):
Doesn't matter what ah you are?

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, it's it's and it's the importance you put on something,
isn't it, Pam? So you say you're too busy to
do this, But that would suggest that you don't think
democracy is that important. If you because because you had
enough time to feed yourself, I'm sure you had were
you know? Not you, Pam, I'm talking about the royal youth.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
Yeah, but you're the.

Speaker 9 (15:14):
First to criticize a if you are a homeowner, how
much rights are or oh if I'm an a rubbish
didn't well? Sorry, stuck it up.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Rubber now now, Pam.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
The pushback that is always on the compulsory voting thing
is do we want a bunch of people voting that
know absolutely nothing about what's going on and are only
voting because they have to?

Speaker 9 (15:44):
Well, it's attached to it. It's like anything. There are unemployable,
they're employable, and there's people who can't get jobs. Separately
the same scenario, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, it's an interesting thought. And I know
you know it's compulsory over across the ditch, and as
far as I know, that seems to work. Okay. But again,
and I know you've taken responsibility.

Speaker 12 (16:09):
Matt.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
There's a good good on you. But I think there
is there's a problem there in making sure it's a
system that people can get excited about, because clearly there's
a lot of epathy and I know personal responsibility. If
you are apathetic, then change your attitude and get a
bit more excited about local democracy.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
But the fact of the matter is it's boring as all. Well,
that is a problem. And Tyler, there's a bunch of
people like, well, I've taken full responsibility. There's a lot
of people on the text machine saying that we need
to take it further and I need to be tased.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yep, I'm getting it charged up. Take it. Takes five
minutes just to get it warmed up. So that's ready
to go.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Taylor released the taser. Taylor, Taser, Matt, Matt needs to
be tasered. Taser. Hem, Wow, a lot of people want
to see me taser. Yeah, we've got a taser.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
We need to buy one.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Maybe maybe if I got tasered, I could forgive myself.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
We'll put that on the list for the boss to
buy it. There's twenty five past one.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Start your day entity, It's the make asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (17:05):
Time was irresponsible in offering those sort of odds or suggesting,
because here's what I know about Bathurst as I watched
that race yesterday. There is no way in God's earth
that you can pick anybody to win that race. It
is form is irrelevant. The top ten shootout is completely
and utterly irrelevant. You look at Kostecki. He went round
there better than everybody. Reminded me of the twenty seventeen

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lap that McLaughlin did. Kostecki was there for all money,
and yet as car blew up and he ran it
into the wall and someone went up his back pipe
and the whole thing was a disaster. The number of
things that happened in Bathurst back tomorrow at six am
the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Mayley's Real Estate News Talk.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Z B Afternoon. So a bismall voter turnout for the
local body elections. Whose fault is it loved? To hear
your thoughts. So at one hundred and eighty ten eighty,
who do you blame?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Other people are not happy with me? At too much
time eating buddy Kiwi fruit? How many postboxes did you
run past in the last month? Henry using my new
healthcare against me.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
He's not wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
The newsflash, man who works twenty hours a week doesn't
bother to vote. You can't find the time, terrible, Devin,
Welcome to the show. Whose fault is it that we're
not voting in local body elections?

Speaker 6 (18:16):
My personal viewers, we're using a archaic voting system. Yes,
so the guy has spoke to Fierst, tell me a
thirty year old, that's anyone under thirty that's actually posted
a letter. So I voted, but I couldn't get my
kids to do it. I was saying to be voted.
Have you voted, and I will get it.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
We'll get to it.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
I can enroll, I can apply for a mortgage. I
can even get a passport online. So why are we
using a nineteen seventy.

Speaker 12 (18:44):
System for us?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (18:46):
Every year, the first day after the elections, every time,
we'll load tune out because it's impossible to vote for
anyone that. Yeah, I know, you can walk to the thing,
but there's no those are yet to go to the
post shop.

Speaker 14 (19:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's interesting because they say that, you know, as it
for security reasons or is it you know, what's the
reason given we talk to someone about this, didn't we, Tyler?

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
And what was the reason given why they they're not
getting around to the online voting things? Hasn't come in?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
There were There were a couple of elements there, so
the expense, it was quite an expensive operation, and it's.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
More expensive than sending out trillions of letters and setting.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Up apparently, Yeah, yeah, apparently. And the second one, Gavin,
was that they put up the census as an example,
that the census went online and that was an unmitigated disaster.
So those two elements saying that it sounds good on paper,
but whether it would work in real life there was
some question marks over it.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
So but my arguments that would be twenty one percent
now a city in the country.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Exactly. You can't get much more of a disaster. I mean,
if it's definitely the problem has definitely come to a head,
hasn't it.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
I I think the other thing I find interesting is,
you know, and I'm talking to my son about it.
When you're general elections, you know, if it's left to
right with the councils, when I wouldn't have who half
them were, what they stood for.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah. So when you when you voted because you're a
better person than me, Gavin, and you and you managed
to vote in, good on you.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
But you shouldn't you shouldn't hit yourself on that because
I'd say, the people filled out their paper and it's
sitting on their kitchen bench.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
I filled out my paper. Yeah that's what I got close.
So he did the work he did.

Speaker 7 (20:41):
You did.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
You were in there.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I read all the punishing blurbs, even Gavin.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Yeah, I know, and I know dozens of people that
will have left. There will be lovely orange sitting on
the hall way table.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
It was a It was with a great sense of shame.
I took the fridge magnet off it beautiful Dunedin fridge magnet, lovely,
and took my I filled out and put it in
the rubbits. She didn't say that, but but yeah, the
thing is, Gavin, up, we do real me as you
say online? You know, you know I ordered a new

(21:16):
license online the other day because I lost my driver's license.
I've done passports on that.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
It took me five minutes to get a new past
that I can use anywhere in the world. Yeah, you
know I can't vote in the local counselor.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Gavin.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
I mean it's worth the shot, isn't it. I mean
I gave the reasons there that our head of the
local government New Zealand gave us when we chatted to them.
But I generally think it would make a lot easier
for people to do online voting.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, this textas says, sorry guy, as a taser is
a restricted weapon. Would it kill Tyler to plug me
into a light socket? We can part do and that
we've got plenty.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Of those in the studio. We're absolutely look into that,
right keen to get your views. O eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Who's our fault is the low voter turnout?
What I reckon? It's twenty nine to two.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Hu's talk said.

Speaker 15 (21:59):
The headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's no trouble with
a blue bubble. Israeli hostages will start being released at
six pm Our time, followed by the return of Palestinians
garzans are beginning the trek home to neighborhoods reduced to
dust as the ceasefire takes effect, with AID trucks starting
to enter the strip. The Prime Minister's satisfied cutting are

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twenty twenty five methane targets between twenty four and forty
seven percent lower than previous targets. Strikes the right balance.
A house has some fire damage on the West coast
Kadamea after it burst into flames when it was hit
by lightning around midday. Police are asking people to report
any information over the death of a Hastings man injured

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when his head hit the ground during an altercation at
a Mahora property on Saturday. The total NZI educators striking
this month has risen to more than forty thousand. Around
a thirteen hundred area school teachers will walk off the
job on October twenty three. It's alongside health workers, nurses
and other teachers. Christchurch developer William's Corporation plans partial incdex

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listing in twenty twenty seven. Find out more at INCID here.
All premium back to matt Ethan Tyler Adam.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Ray Leang It's interesting and potentially telling how unfashionable the
word ceasefire has become in recent times. After being very
very popular for a long time. Yeap changed fast, so
terrible turnout in the local body elections as low as
twenty one percent in some places. I'm looking at you, Auckland. Yeah, shame,
whose faults at Sandra, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (23:39):
Hello, thank you.

Speaker 14 (23:41):
So I would just like to say that to night
you're are that anger tik? We hit forty nine point
eleven percent.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Well, i'll tell you what. That is a lot better
than Auckland.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Is it not quite fifty percent?

Speaker 14 (23:56):
So we're in an interesting fifty percent. But we did
better than other years.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Absolutely, But we're kind of in a in a weird
position now where we're celebrating you for getting up to
nearly fifty percent. We'd hope I love in a world
where it was eighty ninety percent, wouldn't we Yes.

Speaker 14 (24:11):
That would have been quite nice and in your area.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
In your area, I understand quite a few of these
votes went to you.

Speaker 14 (24:18):
Yes, I was the last time fifth on the list,
but I got.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
In, so wow, congratulations, thank you.

Speaker 14 (24:26):
I also run a local community Facebook group for my area.
We've got about eight thousand people, and we still did
have people spec the older ones who went we had
an elections I didn't know and the rest of us
hattle we tackle because for me personally, I did a
come meet to me for a coffee nearly weekly throughout
the whole campaign. I did meet the candidates. I got

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talked into putting billboards of my face up around town.
I wrote letters to the paper. I didn't do flyers
because everybody hates those, and I'm not sure personally what
more I could have done. I went to a little
town that we have called Hunterble. I exercised that I
was going down there. I spent four hours just literally
walking around, just talking to people, going into the shops,
just talking people on the street.

Speaker 16 (25:12):
Did it did it cost you more I could have done?

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Did it cost you a lot? Was it was it
expensive to go through all that, Sandra?

Speaker 6 (25:19):
No?

Speaker 14 (25:19):
For me, no'm I did the We have a little
local newspaper and I did one which costs you about
one hundred and thirty three dollars. The billboards cost me
about I think it was about three fifty, so, not
including petrol, coffee and the brand new bra so I
looked good.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Three hundred and fifty thousand.

Speaker 14 (25:40):
No, no, it's trundred and fifty dollars.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Oh okay, that's a good deal, right he's an American
numbers Yeah.

Speaker 14 (25:46):
Sorry, yes, so not not including as to say, the
coffee and the petrol in the bra. My costs were
under five hundred dollars and the bra. Did you say, yeah,
it's got to look good?

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Oh yeah, enough, you're smart.

Speaker 14 (25:57):
I'm not quite sure if I can time there is
an expense give it a good yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
So, so do you think that that it's behoven on
the candidates to put the work in that you did,
to let people know what you stand for and you
know that you exist.

Speaker 14 (26:14):
I think it does go both ways. I know how
hard I really put myself out there. I really really tried.
I do think it goes both ways. That people do
need to go and find where the candidates are and
go and talk and ask and go to candidate meetings.
But I do think electronics would be good. I do
think that more people probably would vote if we could

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have it electronically. Our counsel how Tom's guy, He threatened
on social media. He threatened to sing if the votes
didn't go up, and that's what he did. He got
a loud speaker and he walked around the area with
one of the orange bins with a loudspeaker of him
singing so that people would put their ones in. So

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but he also drove around the area to pick up votes.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
It sounds like you are passionate about your area, right,
And is that sometimes the case in smaller areas that
people are more passionate, because I think in Auckland, for example,
I'm not sure how people necessarily view the community. You know,
you can see real things in your community and talk

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to talk to individuals and such.

Speaker 14 (27:24):
Yes, I so we have wards and I was central Ward,
which is only a certain part of the ding A Tiqui.
And so but I really did try. I really did
put myself out there. And so for the people who
were sort of like, I don't know who to vote for.
I was there every week.

Speaker 16 (27:41):
I advertised every week, this is where I'll be at
this coffee shop.

Speaker 14 (27:44):
Come and talk to me. I did funny pictures on
my social media just for attention, come and meet me
sort of thing. I was number half things like that.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Have you You obviously don't mind talking to people about it.
I was hanging out with the guy on the weekend
who got not nominated. I'm not nominated, got elected to council,
and instantly I congratulated him. I was shaking his hand, congratulations,
and then someone wandered up and started giving him crap
about the state of people's head and burns like that,
like like five seconds after I was congratulating them, and

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I thought, boy, you're it's it's a thankless task in
a way, because you become the frontline of everyone's little grievance.

Speaker 14 (28:25):
I already had that before I got in. I got
that well running. I had stuff like that well running.
So yeah, but you know that's going to happen.

Speaker 16 (28:35):
That is part of it.

Speaker 14 (28:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (28:37):
But I really do want to make a difference in
my area, and I'm really exmissed to doing so. But
I do think that having electronics would be quite good
for elder people, for people who can't get into a
library or can't get into places. It could be harder,
but I know how much my area really tried hard
to get votes.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well, thank you so much for your call, CenTra and congratulations.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah, good on you. You sound like a great vote
for Ranger. Take which is a great place. Yeah, let's
go to Alex get a Alex. How you doing.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Hey, guys, it's good to hear conversation today.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Thank you and good to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
I just want to say that if I had been
in Sandra's area, I would have voted for Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, I was impressed by enthusiastic. To be fair, I've
got no idea what she stands for. She might be
against everything I believe in, but as a person she
seemed fantastic.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Like the kind of your jib.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah, I mean, look, the thing that I hear from
her is she was prepared to get out and engage
with the community that she's asking people to vote for her.
And I mean I live in I live in Orkland
for over forty post years and you know, every of
it three or four years when local body council elections

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come up. One of the problems that I perceive is
that people got billboards all over the place with their
pictures and their names, and people are being asked to
vote for someone or they've got no clue that you
know what their person's about, what they do. It's just
a name and a picture, you know. I mean, I
vote for for Wayne Brown, mainly because he was the

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only candidate that I really sort of knew anything about,
and you know, I felt that he's been doing a
reasonably good job. He's not perfect, but I mean, you know,
the others were just total strangers.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
There was a fella, Alex who posted a picture of
himself in a fedorra all over town, so everywhere you looked,
there was his posters. He must have spent a good
whack of cash on just pictures himself, but it was
just his face took up the whole poster in multiple colors,
lining up every in a hat. And I, you know,

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I should have investigated what he stood for, but it
was just seemed to be a Fedora based campaign. It
was just his face, and you know, I need to
know a bit more about him. But that's kind of
on me, isn't it. Because I just saw him, didn't
like his hat, and that was it for me.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
You were interested in the Fedora, you needed more?

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Yeah, look, I'm like you, though. I filled out my
form weeks in advance and it almost never got posted.
I actually dropped it off at my supermarket, but it's
out in my car, in my glove box. But yeah,
I guess the thing that I'm thinking about is that,
you know, I live in Pakerga and if people who
you know were asking me to vote for them, if

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there was an opportunity perhaps to meet people publicly where
that you could hear them speak, you know, I think
there's a lot more credence than just seeing a picture
on the on the side with your name saying vote
for me. So, I mean, the problem we have here
is that people are not choosing to engage for whatever reason.

Speaker 17 (31:45):
You know.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
And I think if if candidates were in my mind,
it's just like that lady that just spoke with Susan
or Sandra. She got out and she actively, you know,
did things, and she didn't just rely on a picture
back on a you know, with a picture.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
It's a little bit easier in a small town New
Zealand as opposed to.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
You still in a small town.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I mean, if you went down on to Queen Street
and Auckland and started just campaigning at people wouldn't go
down so well, I don't. I just don't know how
far you I mean.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
But if what I'm saying is that there was a
place where you know, people could go and see potential
candidates you know, months leading up to the elections. Yeah,
I think that might generate more interest where people could
just go along and genuinely see what people are about,
so that they could actually put a name to a
face and then listen to that person speak.

Speaker 10 (32:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Yeah, there you know what they're about, what things are
important to them?

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Alex the
people makes a lot of sense. Can think you to
the people? Can you hear from you? Who's fault rather
is the low voter turnout? What do you reckon? I
one hundred and eighteen eighty Z number call. It is
quarter to two, and do you support calls to have
me taste it for failing to put to right up

(33:05):
for the last hurdle and they're not put my vote
on it's going to turn out on that so far your.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Home of afternoon Talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call
eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
They'd be afternoon. It is twelve to two, So I've.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Got a controversial suggestion. We've got some calls waiting, so
I'll get through it really quickly. We want to get
to your calls. One hundred and eighty ten eighty. But
are we making it The more we do to make
it easy for people, the less people are voting. You see,
it's dropped off a cliff since twenty twenty two, right yep?
So are we Is that not working? Every plan we
have to make it easier, you know, mail and all

(33:41):
that kind of stuff. Do we need to make it
harder but just more exciting. So we have a time
you have to go into the voting booth old School
and you have to do it there and it's only
open for one day, so it's the Saturday from nine
to five. You have to get in there. We make
it a big push that that's what you do. You
go out and vote on that day and it becomes

(34:01):
a thing. We do a ritual in New Zealand that
we're excited about doing. People do it and then they
go to the pub. Yep, become that day, voting day.
We just push it and push it and push it.
It comes out and we do it.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
So polling booths up the wazoo every week you drive
you see the big flags. Come on, come have a
saucy and do your vote?

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Do you right?

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Thing?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah? It's worth a shot. Yeah, I don't know about
the saucy thing. You've added that, but you know, if
you want to. I don't know that that gets a
bit complicated when you start giving food for voting. Yeah,
very true, but you just you just get it done
on the day and it's the thing that you do
because we can't get much lower than twenty percent in Auckland, right, Yeah,
so we can't get any lower. So what if it
becomes an exciting thing that people do.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
We've tried the carrot. Now it's tide for the stack.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Ah, Jason, welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
Oh thanks, guys.

Speaker 18 (34:44):
I hope you can hear me.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Okay, someone hands free.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
It's all right, there's a bit of background noise, but
we'll work with it.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
You've just all sold off all of my thunder almost.
I think you almost touched on it there where I
think there's too much lead in time, Like I had
my voting paper on my kitchen bench for five weeks, Yes,
and it got to the point it got to a
point where I had to run it into the supermarket
box because I looked it too late. Yes, and it's
had a bit of a twist fate. It was like

(35:11):
at too much time. But I think yes, short in
the time that we have to vote. Make it two weeks,
no more, not two months or whatever it was up
here this time around. But I think the mayor elect
in Auckland's actually contributed to the own demise and that
he couldn't even be bothered going out to debate council
debates because he thought it was a waste of time.
I think subconsciously he knew he was in any way,

(35:33):
and I think a lot of us just took on that.
You know, that maxidasal approach as well. Well, it's't I
pointed to dune deal in Auckland.

Speaker 17 (35:41):
Which it was.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
I saw, I think in another of a sort of
twist the thing, and he sort of created the own
load turnout anyway, because he couldn't even be bothered standing
up and talking to his opponents.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
So it's a funny thing, isn't it, Jason, that things
take as long as time. Have you got anyone that's
been in charge of a project, If you give it
two weeks, it takes two weeks and it's done at
the last minute, or you know, so, yeah, I agree
with you so much. There's plenty of time to do
it in a week or two weeks.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Now that's plenty of time.

Speaker 17 (36:10):
To do it.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
So that's so, Yeah, you've got an overdraft of a
thousand bucks.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
We love to be a fascinate acessor reality, and particularly
for voting. That is something that most people would leaved
to the last minute. And you're quite right, having two
months and then it goes into the dash you know,
the dashboard in your car, and you forget about it.
And that's how people forget if.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I was just involved in this many years legal situation,
and of course everything's handed in on the last morning
of the last time that possibly could. And there's been
years and years. It's always the case, right, So yeah,
I agree with you, Jason. Thank you so much for
your call. Appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, great idea. Oh eight undred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Couple of texts to the break,
This one says, okady, guys, I live in Auckland and
I'm highly engaged with both central and local politics. I've
always voted to have my say. However, I have to
say this election was the first time that I nearly
didn't vote. The quality of the candidates was so low
that I felt I had to scrape the bottom of
the barrel when need more inspiring candidates that would make

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the vote a voter turn out a bit better.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
The sex it says, I thoroughly disapprove of Matt being
tasted for not getting around to putting his vote in.
How about we put him in medieval stocks and throw
fruit and cabbages at him.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Not a bad idea actually, And.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Another person is saying, how about Tyler just eggs Matt,
So I think you egging me in the studio here
if not voting would go down terribly with our breakfast host.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah, yeah, there's in that situation. But if we went
down Queen Street, that might work nine two nine too.
If you want to put a voter in on what
punishment Matt should face right now, though it is eight
minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Matt heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons
News talks.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
'B News TALKSB five to two. We've been talking about
the low voter turnouts and whose fault is it. There's
been a lot of it about online voting. Just quickly
we spoke to Nick Smith, mayor of Nelson He's also
a senior leader with local government New Zealand, so he
said at the time.

Speaker 19 (38:08):
Vote.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
While online voting is often suggested as a viable alternative,
attempts over the past three decades to trial it for
local elections have been unsuccessful, largely due to security or
cost issues.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Right, yeah, that's right. I remember talking to the next
sith about it. I couln't remember the reason why, but
I think you can overcome those. But I personally believe
make it harder to vote and make it more exciting.
Limit it to one morning, one Saturday, and just pump
everyone to that one thing. It's like putting on a gig,
right yeah, put on a big gag. You do all
the promotion around that one moment. Get in there and
do it at that time.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
It would be exciting.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
It takes out the decision making in the admin from
people like all these people that are texting things. I
had papers ready to vote so many people and then
they didn't. They didn't hand it in. Yep, it's because
because it was too much. Often they sat around for
five weeks these voting papers. Cliff, very quickly your thoughts
on this, gay Cliff, Oh good.

Speaker 20 (38:59):
Eight fellas yeah. Look, I'm in the delivery of the
electoral stuff. We have to deliver five weeks out because
other people that have shifted premises in the past three years,
so that if it goes to an address that the
people aren't living, it could come back to yourself on
post and be redirected to a new address.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Ah right, yeah, okay, So this was very complicated, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, it's always for shocks. Yeah, but again I mean
not if you have to go unto the booth and vote. Yeah,
I think there's a lot to that. You just have
to go in.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Just hype it up, let's go, let's go, let's go.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yep. It works for the general election, so it's worth
a shop.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
But great discussions for every rock music concert, yeah, exactly
and dance.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah right, great discussion. Thank you very much everyone who
text and phoned on that one. Coming up after two
o'clock romance scams. Have you or one of your family
members been involved in one of these scams? What happened?
We're keen to hear from you. Newss next.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 14 (40:01):
It be.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show. It
is six past two. Hope you're having a ready good
Monday afternoon. So let's get into this discussion romance scams.
This was after a woman fell victim to a romance
scam in New Zealand found herself in a really bad
situation when she was caught attempting to smuggle methanphetamine into
New Zealand at Auckland Airport. The sixty year old had

(40:25):
been duped into believing she was helping a love interest
in need, heard that a lot of times over the
past couple of years, only to discover she was unknowingly
involved in a transnational drug trafficking operation. Devastating.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
It's so tragic. It breaks your heart when you hear
this kind of situation, these these romance scams, because you
know when it happens, you'd feel not only you know
obviously to do that, you have fallen in love, right,
So not only do you lose that person and a
lot of people lose love so they break up whatever divorce,
et cetera, but also you find out that they were

(41:00):
using you, they never existed. This shame for your family
and in this case, you're about to do a prison term. Yeah,
so you're broken heart, you've been scammed, and now are
you in prison?

Speaker 3 (41:11):
It doesn't get much worse than that, does it?

Speaker 10 (41:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
You know, and it's always complicated. We don't know how
involved and how willing they were to commit the crime.
How you know whether they were fully scammed, or whether
they were talked into it and were committing the crime
for the person, or whether they didn't know at all.
It gets pretty complicated. But romance scams are by very

(41:35):
definition broken hearted situations, right.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Lowest of the low I mean, and that vulnerability. A
lot of people in that position, and clearly this woman
was by all accounts according to the story, that loneliness element,
and as I understand it, slowly but surely the sort
of pushed into areas where they probably didn't think they
were going to be, and like traffic cking methamphetamine across

(42:01):
the border. You know, I don't think it starts off
that we want you to do this, that slow little
web that they weave as scammers.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
And look, there's also another story out today about how
many people are in relationships with AI and sometimes they
don't even know that that's the person they're talking to
doesn't even exist at all. In this case, we're particularly
talking about that the person that you're dealing with does
not even exist. Yeah, and so I mean that's a
good rule of thumb. I believe to not give money

(42:31):
to someone that you've never met. And I don't know.
There isn't such a thing as a really really good looking,
incredibly wealthy person who loves you and suddenly needs some
money off you.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
That's a big red flag, isn't it, Because they've got
themselves into that position and they look the way they look,
and they've got the connections that they say they've got
then and they rely on you're the only person they've
got to be able to help them out with a
couple of thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah. But you know, we do foolish things when we're
in love, don't we. We do, absolutely, And there are
evil people out there that pray on that emotion. If
you or a family member been caught up in an
immense scam, because I think it's important to discuss them
so people can spot the signs. You know, the signs
may seem very obvious, but a lot of people missed them.

Speaker 7 (43:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
So and also, you know, have you thought that someone
was in a remote romance scam and then found out
that they weren't. Yeah, that that person that was too
good to be true has turned out to be true.
We'd love to hear those stories. You might be having
an amazing life with someone that everyone thought was a
romance scam.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
They asked for a bit of money, You rolled the
dice and it might have even worked out.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yeah. I mean often we'll see an older gentleman with
a younger woman. Yeah, and we think, we think romance scam.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah. Oh, eight hundred not always the case. I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call if
you want to send a teaching more than welcome. Nine
to ninety two.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Hey, guys, I was completely duped by a very well
known sports star in New Zealand. I've only just managed
to hold onto my house just I owed over half
a million dollars. My children tried to warn me, but
it was so charming but also controlling. Before I knew it,
I was a I'm paying the price and I will
be for many years to go.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Wow, it's an incredible text. So glad you only just
managed to keep the house.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
My mother and lawa is currently caught up and a
Kevin Costner scam, Kevin Costna scam. She's sent thousands of
dollars to scammers, mostly in the form of Apple gift cards. Yeah,
the Apple gift cards is the way they do it.
Or those year. She's still married but now sleeps in
a different bed as my father in law, who basically
ignores it. The children are no longer speaking to it,
and family events no longer happen.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Oh, that is heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
The gift cards is a part of it, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
That's a big flag.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, because they go, I need these to do this,
but then they just take them down and sell them.
I've seen how the scam goes. But the gift cards
aren't transferable. You know, you can't track them. They're not
going through a bank.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
YEP. That is prime for scammers to take advantage of that,
and then you just say get away with it.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Because you know, if the money goes through a bank,
then the bank will have it, will trace it, and
they'll shut it down potentially.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah. Keen to hear your stories about romance scams, whether
or was yourself for a family member. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten, eighties and number to call twelve past.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Two your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Very good afternoon to you. Now we're going to go
back to romance schemes very shortly. We're getting a lot
of calls and tecks on this, but just a quick
tangent if I may. Last hour, we were talking about
voter turnout and you admit it. You went into the lines, Dan,
you said, I admit that I didn't get round of voting,
and there was some various reasons for that. So we
were talking about punishments. So there's a few punishments coming through,

(45:43):
and they're pretty creative, I've got to say. So this
one says Matt's punishment dress them up in a furry
wolf suit and have a big, strong goth woman throw
them around a room live stream on TikTok. I mean
that is out there in terms of punishments.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Don't very much like a punishment to me. I'll pay
for that.

Speaker 14 (46:00):
Well.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
I keep them coming through on nine two nine two,
so you know when it comes.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
To a scam. We were talking before about the Apple
or app store or Google Play gift cards and why
scammers do this. So, if you're in a situation and
someone bring raises that that they need you to buy
these cards, you need to know that it's a scam
because the reason why they do use those cards, those
gift cards, is because there's no names, no bank, it's irreversible,

(46:24):
it's instant, and it's remote because they can just send
you can just send the codes to them and they
can spend them. It's easy to launder, you know, and
you know there's no problems with financial dominations and changing
money or any of those kind of things credit trail.
So yeah, if you if you if someone is asking
you to get them gift cards Google Play or Apple

(46:46):
App Store or anything like that, then it tunes these
to be called. I'm not sure if they still are.
It is a scam guaranteed.

Speaker 10 (46:52):
Never do that.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Henadi. How are you hello, Henadi? Can you
hear me?

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Gotcha? Gotcha? Yeah? Hey, how you doing?

Speaker 15 (47:05):
Hey?

Speaker 17 (47:05):
I'm just ringing about said lady, the sixty year old
buddy they've got done at the airport. She deserves everything
she gets made like you just can't. You can't expect
something that sounds too good to be true to be true.
And at the end of the day, these old folks
should be learning from other people and listening to their
younger folks that are trying to look out for them. Now,

(47:27):
I reckon she would have had someone trying to intervene
into that from her side of the family, but she
would have been like, no, no, no, I know what
I'm doing. Believe well, she can know what she's doing
from the behind the bars, right, you knows sympathy from me.
That's a faita Meine is destroying our society. It is
taking people's lives and it just does no place in
our site. So yeah, unlucky old lady, and it's for

(47:52):
the broke not voting, ye made. The only punishment that
you have is you can't talk about it for three years.
That's true.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
That's difficult for me in my position.

Speaker 10 (48:02):
Is a.

Speaker 17 (48:07):
To the the Early morning show Will Roman. Yeah, and
I rang up this morning and heard him here. He
didn't vote either. You know, you're not alone.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
That is low Roman, But you're actually quite right there,
you know, me not being able to talk about cancel
issues or any of those issues for three years would
be a worse punishment than being egged or tasered or anything.

Speaker 15 (48:29):
For me.

Speaker 17 (48:29):
That's because you know it's the time for us to
have LC.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, it would take away moment.

Speaker 17 (48:36):
And vos one. Yeah, otherwise things don't get done.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Good on you. But do you hit your message? I mean,
and I know you're taking a hard line because you
absolutely agree the whole myth thing and it does look
like family tried to savor and stuff.

Speaker 17 (48:48):
Drawing up society. Gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, but your heart, you might you must feel something.
You must feel something in your heart for and understand
that people do incredibly stupid things.

Speaker 17 (48:58):
So this is this guy I watch on TikTok and
here is a voice changer as an old lady. These guys,
he knows exactly where they are. He is, he can
tap into they are and see the video of them,
and then he starts telling them details about their family
and looking at them and everything, and oh it's beautiful
to watch.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I love those things on YouTube. And then sometimes they'll
hack in to the computer and then they start seeing
through Once once a person thinks I've done it, they
start seeing their exact address and then pictures of it
where they are.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
It's fun, fun stuff. Hey, thanks so much for your call.
Hen right, Yeah, thank you very much, Joe. One hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number of core romance scams.
If it's happened to you or almost happened to your
family member, love to hear your stories. Plenty of teachts
coming through on nine to ninety two.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Should we go to Paul or should we take a break.
Let's go to Paul, Paul and then take a break. Yeah,
get a Paul.

Speaker 19 (49:46):
Hi, guys. A wee while ago, but a dear friend
of mine who wasn't so good with the ladies meet
someone online and we're like, O, what's a bit dodger?
You know, I know, we're you know, we're chatting. We're
good this and that, and we're all in love. And
she can't wait to meet me, and she's going to
meet me here and she wants me to come to
she wants to come to hear we've now agreed to
meet in Turkey. And she was obviously and I'm like,

(50:09):
that is not that is not a real woman that
some fat go on a computer over and Glenn of
Vostok with a photograph of some models for the whole
of no, no, you guys are wrong. And then one
day watching TV and there was a program on these
scams made here and up pops Maria his girlfriend. So

(50:30):
we rang him and he still didn't believe us, even.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Even when you're showing him their evidence. He's still Yeah.

Speaker 19 (50:37):
What was his argument, Agon was he's got the real Maria.

Speaker 10 (50:41):
That's something.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Spoke to Maria.

Speaker 19 (50:44):
She said, no, someone's hacked her photo and she really
loves them. And in the end we convisibly get out
of I think Maria lost interest or whoever it was,
because he was so tight with his money, wouldn't send
him that.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Being tight, Yeah, it was close that in that case,
Tyler will never get step scammed, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yeah, thank god for that. Yeah, I meant no us
because I had spending money.

Speaker 14 (51:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
So the cognitive dissidence that comes in and you see
it where they just want to believe it's true and
and lovers like that, right, love is a leap of faith.

Speaker 19 (51:18):
I mean she was so stunning and he never had
a stunning girl in his life.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah, well that's lust. Maybe, Yeah, lust is a powerful
thing as well. But but but but that, but that
thing he must have known in the back of his
mind that it was too good to be true. You know,
as he says, if it's too good to be true,
you must there must be some part of his mind.

(51:42):
Your friend that was going.

Speaker 19 (51:46):
He liked with his own shadow.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Yeah, lucky for him.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
But is he is he found love? Since has he
found he has? Yeah? A real person, a real good person. Yeah,
well that's.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Lovely. I think that's a happy ending. Paul, Thank you
so much for cool Paul, appreciate great story. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call romance
scams if you've had a family member or yourself being involved.
Love to hear what happened in that scenario. How did
you talk them out of it if you had to.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Because it's important to you know, know the signs because
it's happening more and more so. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty. And I'll share this next. Someone's tensing through
some really important and good advice for checking that you
whether you're being scammed or not.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Very good. It is twenty one past two.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk zab afternoon.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
So we are talking about romance scams after a New
Zealand woman sadly foul victim to a romance romance scam
which ended up in her attempting to smuggle methane fitamine
into New Zealand. So the relationship turned out to not
be real. She's lost a lot of money and now
she's facing jail time.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
The sixer says, Hi, I tell you listen is that
when some stranger tries to add them on Facebook, they
should Google image search them. It's easy to take a
screenshot and feed it into the Google Image search. Often
it turns up to be someone completely different. Sadly, when
I've reported these scammers to Facebook pages often don't get
taken down. The next red flag is moving to WhatsApp
or a telegram to carry on the conversation. Yeah, that's

(53:28):
the thing. You can take a picture now and you
can just put it into the Google search and you
know if it comes up as a stock image or
a different person's because you know obviously right now you
can just take not only one picture, but if you're
trying to run a romance scab on someone, scam on
someone online. You can take hundreds of pictures.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I had a friend who came to me and he said,
this wouldn't believe how beautiful this woman is. Who's trying to,
you know, pock up with me?

Speaker 17 (53:57):
And I was like, is it.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Interesting to you that her entire she's been the same
age because the person had created a whole profile. It
was discussing with them. I said, look look at it.
Every shots in a bikini, and every shot looks like
it's from the same holiday, but it goes back years.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, and what do they say to that?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
He said, I don't know. I think she's real, but
he wanted to blue. Yeah, but you know, people will
go to the effort of just stealing all of someone's pictures,
but this person went to the effort of doing that,
but stole them all from the same holiday.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Telltale sign. Glenn, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 21 (54:36):
Yeah, not too bad there, lads. Hey, look I've only
just tuned in, so I didn't pick up on the
romance part of the scam.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
But all scams.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
We want to talk about all Scamso no, no, it's
good Glenn.

Speaker 7 (54:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (54:48):
So two three years ago, sort of on a bit
of a late whim book some tickets to go to Hawaii,
and I thought, shit, I protty need to still get
an ester here, and didn't know what I'd need to
get the est. I'd forgotten how many sort of spits
of ID you'd need, so I googled that and then
up on reading the stuff I needed. At the bottom
of it said to apply, So I clicked on that applied.

(55:11):
The paperwork looked exactly like what I'd filled out before.
Got to the end of it, thought oh, I don't
remember it charging me at all, but it took my details.
I then proceeded to fill one out for the missus
and same thing. Hadn't got to the end. Checked the
bank account and yeah, there was quite a significant amount
more gone than the gift. Take twenty one yank dollars
from the account.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Ah, yeah, yes, so there is the official year. When
you look for the ester, it all comes up. I've
nearly fallen for this as well, and the last minute,
but there was there was because there's the official government one,
and but the fake ones looked so much like them, right, yeah.

Speaker 21 (55:52):
Yeah, mate, she was to the tea, looked like it
and look, I've filled it out before, you felt bloody stupid.
But instead of about twenty bucks, it was the best
part of two hundred bucks per go. I've rung up
the next morning to cancel the credit card and then
to my surprise, the ester still came through. So the
issue was I was sort of going through a third

(56:14):
party that has been applied to the ester for me,
So it wasn't strictly a scam, but means yeah, I
mean it still was.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
That that's quite a lot of money because yeah, that
they pretend, because yeah, all they do is then fill
out your ester for you from the information that you've taken,
and then and then charge you.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I know a lot of people that have gone through this.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
So the only one is the US Customs and Border
Protection official site. I think it's ees T A dot C.
See this is confusing as well, because that's your website
for it. I'll just got a double check for every
that hour. I'll just make sure I've got the right one.
It's got a huge picture of the Statue of Liberty
on there. It looks very official. It says the official
website of the Department of Homeland Security. Yeah, I'll just

(56:57):
make sure on that one.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Yeah, yeah, we'll double check and it was very sophisticated.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
With any consolation, you're one of many, many, many people
who have been done by that scam, Glen.

Speaker 21 (57:07):
Yeah, and the only lesson from that is just always
look for the link individually. Never just clicked through to
link that tess clicky to apply because it's very easily done.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Yeah, absolutely, Glenn, thanks very much for giving us a
bars and giving people a word of warning on that
one the sextuses.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I just heard that Tyler didn't vote. That's pathetic, no
excuses for that. You're all talking no action, Tyler. You
must be happy to follow all the time. You will
follow someone over a cliff one day. I'm finished with
your afternoon show, Gordon, because you didn't vote, Tyler, so.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
He's not actually finished like from Finland, he's finished.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
He's finished for your show, all right. I mean he
enjoys Time's own and saunas.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Yeah, well, good times. I love the finish.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
You're listening to Sauna. It's good.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Can I just say though, I would follow someone off
the cliff, but I did vote. That was that's Matt
Heathy talking about their Gordon, tell.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Your callers to go to the in New Zealand, travel
requirements page and it has all the genuine government links
to each website.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
That's that's some good advice, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Yeah, that is a good tip.

Speaker 20 (58:05):
What what is?

Speaker 2 (58:06):
An est says this this text, So it's what you
have to get into into it's a visa waiver system
into the United States. That New Zealand has a deal
with the United States where it's very easy for us
to get in. Yes on this visa waiver for a
three month visit there.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, yep. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call scams. Have you been done over by
a scam recently? And what we're the red flags you
want to give our listeners a warning about.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yeah, because a scam shared is I'm looking for saying here,
a scam shared is a person saved from that scam.
I'm going to work on the same.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
That's pretty good. That's the bones of it.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
It's kind of like a problem shared as a problem solved. Yes,
but it's something like a scam shared is a scam revealed?

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Yep?

Speaker 17 (58:56):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
It's getting closer. It is bang on our bass headlines
with Raylen then taking your calls on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

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(59:27):
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(59:53):
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to Matte Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Thank you very much, Raylian. So we're talking about scams.
If you've ever almost fallen for a scam, what were
the red flags you spotted? This is after a New
Zealand woman, Sadly, has found herself facing prison time after
a romance scam ended up with her trying to smuggle
methanphetamine into New Zealand. Sad said, case and I was
trying to find a saying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
That fit what we were trying to do, and I
struggled terribly. But the nine nine the text gen much
smarter than me. I've come through, particularly Anita. A scam
sheard is a scam.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Beard clever, That is good, that is nice and succinct.
Yeah powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
So if you've been scammed, then tell us how so
people can look out for the same scam and it
doesn't happen to you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
of four all if you want to send a text
nine two nine two, is that number, Shane, how are
you this afternoon? Mate? Not too bad boys?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Now are you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Very good?

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Thinks no problem?

Speaker 22 (01:01:20):
Had one therefore you, Matt, which was pretty similar to
the last one, which is a scam shared?

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Is your money spared?

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
That's good because I do like beard, But I think
I think when you when you say a scam shared
is a scam beard, it kind of might sound like
it's a scam facial hair, like you've had a scam.
You've got someone's wearing a fake beard or something easily misinterpreted. Yeah,
that's my only problem. But yours was a scam shared
as a scam? What did you say?

Speaker 22 (01:01:47):
I am scared?

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Is money spared?

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Is money spared?

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yeah, that's good. This is why they're doing it.

Speaker 22 (01:01:53):
And I have been scammed as well. I got scammed
on Facebook or one of those Lovely buy Now it's
a really cheap box and you're going to get a
whole lot of stuff. And my daughter's laughed at me
when I put my money in towards it. Next thing,
you know, it turned up to be some broken little vessel.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
That was good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
That's an easy one though, you know, there's a lot
of trust involved. In that scam and you're hoping for
the best.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
And so how much how much? How much had you
parted with for this?

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
This?

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
And sixty dollars?

Speaker 11 (01:02:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Right, yeah, I mean that's that's not nothing, but it's
at the lower end of you know, it's not life changing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Yeah, you could write one off the way.

Speaker 22 (01:02:29):
But they did keep taking money out of my visa
character three weeks three months.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Right, So did you manage to get the bank to
cancel all.

Speaker 22 (01:02:39):
Of it or just the stuff that I managed to
get the bank to cancel all of it, but I
didn't actually get any money back unfortunately. The rigmarole to
try and get their money back and everything else was
a nightmare. And yeah, so I just kind of went o,
well it's done.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Yeah that is he that back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Yeah, but thank you for the Oh look at this
a scam shared is a victim spirit sin's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Pretty yeah, that's pretty good. You keep them coming through
on nine two nine two, Brian, very good.

Speaker 20 (01:03:09):
How are you right?

Speaker 23 (01:03:12):
Here's a scam that's certainly dark at the moment.

Speaker 7 (01:03:14):
Right.

Speaker 23 (01:03:15):
It starts off the faith ye've find a lottery us.
Then they go off, we'll push after somebody else. But
you've got to do it through the hot time. All right, yep,
Well I've been going through this.

Speaker 10 (01:03:33):
And this guy comes back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Oh, Brian, we might come back to you, mate, because
you've got a good story to tell. But we're just
struggling to hear a little bit. So we'll put you
back to Andrew and we'll get you off that off
that phone, and we'll come back to you. In the meantime,
keep those suggestions coming through on nine to nine two. Oh,
that's not bad. A scam shared is a scammer scared?

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Yeah, not bad. Yeah, we're geting it pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Yeah, pretty good. Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is
the number to call as well. In the meantime, let's
go to Aaron. Aaron, have you been close to being
scanned recently?

Speaker 10 (01:04:09):
Have you?

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:04:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:04:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:04:12):
We were looking for a dog and a dog came up.
Wellington thought cool. They go, yeah, cool, we can put
a deposit down in PayPal, thinking PayPal's pretty safe one
of them, and the person at the other end was like,
I just want to avoid the fees. Can you put
it through his friends and family for nothing of it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Yep, cool.

Speaker 10 (01:04:29):
Put the payment through.

Speaker 24 (01:04:32):
The house that they gave the address for was a
recently renovated and for sale house and the dog didn't exist.
So got in touch with PayPal and they say, do
you put it on friends and family? We give no
point of recall through us, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
That's something to look out for friends and family.

Speaker 24 (01:04:53):
So I was lucky that the only thing connected to
the PayPal was a credit card and I managed to
get the money back through the credit card company. But
it's people look at like I didn't even think that
friends and family wasn't actually a safe way text payment.

Speaker 25 (01:05:08):
But we don't know the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Person there, we go, so a scam reported as a
scam thwarted as this texture is just sent through so
friends and family.

Speaker 24 (01:05:16):
Hopefully that saves a couple of other people from good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Good on your aron. Hey, so when you say it
was so, what had you seen of the dog?

Speaker 24 (01:05:27):
It was just on It was on Facebook. I ended
up traveling down the s I was already in Telpo.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:05:34):
I took off down to Wellington and turned up the address.
You know it's a person. Uh, And they go, I
told you you can't turn up till Sunday. It was Sunday,
so they were in a different bloody country.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Ah, yeah right, Yeah, that hurts.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Say that's the whole thing, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Yeah, so that you just don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
So someone someone overseas in some countries, like looking at
little old, innocent, old New Zealand and someone that wants
to get a dog, wants to get a family dog.
It's a lovely thing, and they go, you know what,
I'm going to scam this person?

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
How psychopathic? Using dog? I've got to say, you know,
dogs are the best of us.

Speaker 17 (01:06:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:06:11):
Yeah, And then and then they message back to say,
oh no, no, I'll get it to the airport. You've
just got to pay for a thermal crate to transport it,
and you get your money back, and it's fifty fourteen
hundred dollars for the thermal crate.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Ring tour mate.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Nice try, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Have you watched have you watched any of those those
anti scammer channels on YouTube?

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
No? No I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
They are the scammers get scammed. They're very satisfying. I
imagined the cathartak for someone that's been scammed. Yeh, because
they they turn it on the scum bags that are
trying to scam people. You thanks so much for you
call Aaron oh, hang on a minute, did you get
a dog? Did you get a dog that in the end?

Speaker 26 (01:06:55):
Yep, Yeah, we end up getting a dog up and
from the rare, and then we ended up with a
second dog to keep that dog company when I couldn't
take it to work anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Off in the way.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
That's that's that's.

Speaker 14 (01:07:07):
Cats arrived as well.

Speaker 19 (01:07:08):
Also, yeah, full house here there you go, all.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Right, yeah very much, Jared Oh. Eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you've
recently come across as scam that either took it in
or you managed to see the red flags. Would love
to hear from you. Nine two niney two is the
text number.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
The six says I lost half of everything in a
scam called marriage.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
It's nineteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons ECUs talks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
They'd be afternoon to you. It's seventeen to three and
we have been talking about scams. What were the red
flags you noticed if you were taking them by a scam.
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty to number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yeah, because it's huge. I guess, disparity and scams. I
mean this talk started with a woman got scammed to
the point where she became a drug meal and you know,
traveling with her clothes doused in myth anfetom.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Yep, that's at the extreme end.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yeah. And at the other end there you pay a
little bit for a dog deposit. Brian, welcome to the show. Hey,
hopefully we've got a better line with you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Than I'm sorry, Brian. We're going to get you off
that hands free. My friends, Bertie, how are you right?

Speaker 7 (01:08:27):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (01:08:27):
I yes, I have been scammed by marriage and other people.

Speaker 14 (01:08:35):
I like that.

Speaker 11 (01:08:36):
That was funny. But just a heads up though, someone
told me after I got scammed, which is a really
good precaution to take if you're buying stuff online, is
just to use a bank account that you're using just
to buy stuff online. So they put forty fifty dollars
in it, and yes, and don't use your main bank account.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Yes, so it can only be so your scam can
only be a manageable size.

Speaker 11 (01:09:06):
Yeah, say up to fifty dollars, you know, and then
you are not going to leave your main accounts thousand. Yeah. Really,
got heads up for everybody out there, But I don't
know whether you guys years ago, I'm going back a
little while. There was a woman that worked for parliament

(01:09:27):
and she found someone dating app as well, and her
daughters told her, don't you know, oh, you should go
out and find someone. She's lonely and on her own.
And she met someone online and he strung her along

(01:09:47):
and there was all these guys or people sitting in
this room gaming getting on to people that wanted, you know,
to meet someone. And she became a dragon mule too, and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
She remember that why do we want to go?

Speaker 11 (01:10:05):
And I'll tell you what watching it because it was
you know, it was real. It was a real eye
opener what goes on behind the scenes and what they
took her down to like she did. She ended up
in prison too, but I don't know sort of what
happened from there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
But can you imagine Bertie, So you're looking for love,
you think you found it then and then you end
up in prison. You know, it's heartbreaking. And Henry who
rang before, said, you know, he's got no sympathy. And
there is a point if you know that that's what
you're doing, you know, like some drug meals know that
their drug meals and some drug meals don't know that

(01:10:45):
their drug meals.

Speaker 11 (01:10:46):
Yeah, she was pretty convinced it was for real. She
went off and bought a wedding He paid for a
wedding dress for her, and it was all, yeah, it
was really well done.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Yeah. Now, I was talking before Bertie about these YouTube
channels online. There's one called Scammer Payback, and it's where
these you know, they deploy the same horses against these scammers,
because the scammers are officers with just as you say,
there's they're like call centers. They've got desks and disks
of people that go into work every day to try
and scam people in other countries, right, and and so

(01:11:21):
it's very satisfying to watch these scammer payback videos on
YouTube because because because they put their voices through like
a voice changer, so they sound like a vulnerable old
lady and they and they and they lead the scammers
on and waste as much time as they can, and
then they hack into the scammers computers and then they

(01:11:42):
start taking things from the scammers.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
It's so good and the scammers just great.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
It's it's good to watch, but it's scary to see
the operations, because when they hack in, they start they
they even go far as to hacking into the scammers
cameras on their on their computers, and then so they
then eventually turn around them so a picture of the
scammer to themselves exactly where they're located. That's good, it's
good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Yeah, it's addictive.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
They'll be careful.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Yeah, thank you, Moning Bertie Mark. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (01:12:14):
Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Guys, how are you very good? You recently got involved
in a scam?

Speaker 5 (01:12:19):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (01:12:21):
No?

Speaker 25 (01:12:21):
This actually date's quite a while back. Me and my
wife were in New York and we've just been to
one of the major department schools there in New York.
And then as we're walking out, very well, just undressed,
African American man approached us. He had a suit and
a tie loo immaculate. He said, I saw you in
there looking at jewelry, and we said, here we were,

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And he opened up this briefcase and here was all
this beautiful gold jewelry, big bracelets and gold nicklaces. And
I always wanted a gold necklace and he showed us
them and it had the department store that we've just
been in all the price tags and all on them,
and I'm like, where do you get this from me?
He goes, I go on there and I steal them,

(01:13:04):
steal them, right, So I bought a big gold Nicholas
and my I pot a beautiful gold bracelet. Then two
days later I was in the shower and the things
started going green. When he started gray and green.

Speaker 18 (01:13:16):
It was all fake goldma, all fake gold.

Speaker 25 (01:13:20):
And we paid about three four hundred dollars a year
for them.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Mark. So when he said, do you see where do
you get them from? The cities stole them so you
willingly received stolen goods there, Mark?

Speaker 25 (01:13:36):
Yeah, yeah in America?

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Yeah yeah, all right, so right, because it wasn't your
own country. You thought I didn't care about this department.
Still I don't care about the soul situation.

Speaker 25 (01:13:44):
Yeah yeah, I mean I did get sorry, Yeah you
go you go finish, Yeah I did. I did get scammed.
Once off Team you, me and my wife are looking
for a beautiful new do they sit. So we looked
on Team you found this nice but beautiful doubt set,
beautiful blue and silver and that. So we bought that.

(01:14:06):
Waited about four weeks or whatever, took this big box
arrived and when we opened up, the box was full
of paper, and then we got rid of all the paper.
Inside was a little box ring side box. Inside was
a ring, a plastic ring, right, No.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Do I mean that's there's classical.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Yeah, there you go. See. But the problem is Mark,
because you because you, because you bought a gold necklace
of someone that said that's stolen it. Yeh, Then then
your moral high ground has disappeared.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
It's a great gambit from the scammer itself, because I mean,
you're brutally honest saying, yeah, I've stolen this, so you
think it's the real deal.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Hey, people say you should watch the Jason Stathan move
of The Beekeeper, a very good busting a scam ring.
You should watch The bee Keeper. Yeah, it's very satisfying.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
I love Jason Statham and I love his movies, great
action movies, and this one's a fantastic It's just the
pure exactly what you'd expect for Adjason Stathan movie. But
there's an old woman that he's working for as a beekeeper, right,
and she gets scammed of everything, and and but he's
an ex you know, undercover operative and heavily trained John

(01:15:24):
wickstyle person, and so he decides to just go and
get revenge on these scammers.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Sounds amazing, it's it's very satisfying. Yeah, I love it
all right. It there's nine two three taking your calls
on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've been
scammed recently, what are the red flags you wish people
would know about?

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Yeah, and I'm not suggesting you go full stath them
on these scammers.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Well, if you want to, if you've got the skills, well,
you know, he.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Killed a lot of people in but he did the
issues that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Affect you and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
News TALKSB. It is six to three.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Marty, welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (01:16:04):
Oh how are you mate?

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Very good? So you got you got scammed?

Speaker 22 (01:16:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:16:09):
So I thought I was buying an electric golf trunler
through Ali Baba.

Speaker 7 (01:16:15):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 10 (01:16:18):
Significantly cheaper than the electric golf cuts and the golf
stores here. And the guy said, oh, let's go have
a chat on WhatsApp, And so we had a chat
on WhatsApp and then they started sending me their bank details.
Once we had agreed on a price and stuff in
the white like, stayed through Ali Baba because you'll have

(01:16:39):
some sort of recourse if it goes wrong. But of course,
in my wisdom, I stayed on WhatsApp and sent the
money to a US bank account, and then they sent
me some curier updates, you know, the golf cuts now
in this country, And a couple of days later they

(01:17:00):
send me an update that's now in this country. And
then finally it got to Fiji and they wanted me
to pay the Fiji custom and yeah, went off in
the head.

Speaker 7 (01:17:12):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
And so obviously this this thing never ever turned up.

Speaker 10 (01:17:19):
Never turned up. And the moral of the story is
stay on the yeah platform, yes, and and and listen
to your wife always.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Yeah, good advice. As someone who loves a bargain, Marty,
I feel your pain because, as I was saying to you, Matt,
I fell for a scam with some hiking boots and
it was a good discount and went to Google it
and went into the site and purchased what I thought
were hiking boots and turned out it was just a
mirror site, and the scammers took that money and it
was only me to blame for looking for a good discount.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Now, Marty, with your wife giving you that very sage
advice that you didn't take, has she she told you so?
Has she has?

Speaker 14 (01:17:56):
She?

Speaker 10 (01:17:57):
I constantly get reminded of my mistakes from twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
So she's got the she's got a whole dossier on you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
That's the price you paid, Marty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Yeah, you keep giving, keep giving her things to add
to it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Yeah, thank you very much. Right, we're going to carry
this on just after three o'clock because we're going to
have a chat to a guy called Neville who sadly
lost three hundred thousand dollars through a dating site scam.
So there, Yeah, that is big. So we're going to
have a chat to him after three o'clock. But taking
your calls. O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
nineteen ninety two is the text number scams. If you've
been scammed recently? What the red flags you want people

(01:18:34):
to know about.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Your new home for? Instateful and Entertaining Talk, It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Very good afternoon, cheer. It is six par three. Hope
your Monday afternoon is going. While we're heavy listening in
the country, we have been talking about scam. So it
was on the back of a story that is becoming
more and more common. A woman fell victim to a
romance romance scam and she found herself in the very,
very sad situation where she was caught attempting to smuggle
methanephetamine into New Zealand. She was duped into believing she

(01:19:09):
was helping a love interest and need only to discover
she was unknowingly involved in this transnational drug trafficking operation.
Incredibly sad. Damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
I've forgotten the rhyme that we decided was the best
rhyme because what we're doing here today is it was
a scam. A scam shared is a scam Beard.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
That's where it started. And then I think it was
Shane who rang up who said a scam shared is
money spared, Yeah, which was pretty good, which was what
what was that? Andrew your money spared?

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Okay? Yeah, So that's what we're trying to do. We're
trying to share scam so people can can look out
look out for them. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Neville, Hello,
thanks for calling in. So you've got a quite a
quite a shocking story.

Speaker 12 (01:19:57):
Oh, yes, I have. I don't actually know where to
start with it. I'm going to start with, sir. I
realized it was getting scammed by my ex. Initially I
lost a fair bit of money, one hundreds of thousands.
And then but the real scamming happened when I got
separated and I got paid out for my house and

(01:20:19):
I lost go to invest my money to actually by
buy a house, and that in that part of a deal,
I lost over three hundred thousand dollars. And then I
was on dating sites and I had women who were
trying to get my money back from scammers, and they

(01:20:42):
were scammers themselves and I lost. The latest version was
that I lost a couple of thousand earlier this year.
I was placed to put it in through to buy
to test the system out in a cryptocurrency exchange, and

(01:21:05):
the address I was given was obviously there bank account.
That's where it finished. And we had a couple of
conversations even and one there was two women, two women.
At that point, I've had guys who said they were guys.
Who knows that who they were, Well, some of them

(01:21:26):
were I've still got phone numbers of these people. You
can't bring them back. And then try that it just
goes to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
It never never, What was the first How did the
first scam go down with your ex?

Speaker 23 (01:21:39):
Was?

Speaker 10 (01:21:39):
That?

Speaker 7 (01:21:39):
Was that?

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
What happened?

Speaker 12 (01:21:40):
It was around property, well around property were we were
into buying and selling property, and and the the money
that we're making didn't come into back into the accounted
again and then.

Speaker 18 (01:21:56):
And so.

Speaker 12 (01:21:59):
At one point I said about where's the money? And
she got really angry, and so I said, and I
just left it. I didn't push it, but I was
still married to her at that point. And then a
few other things happened and ended up in a divorce.
So but then and then then I got paid out
of my share of the house at that point. That

(01:22:22):
was about four or five years ago now, And yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
And so what are you what are you learning around scamming?
So you said that there was a bit of a
crypto situation. Are you have you are you learning to,
you know, look into these things, to investigate and not
be involved in areas that aren't solid.

Speaker 12 (01:22:44):
You know, I'd taken a different stance because all the
phone calls if I get them now, I haven't had
one for about two months. But the last one I
got there was okay, I'll go back a couple of
scammers ago last year or the year before.

Speaker 17 (01:23:04):
They were a couple of.

Speaker 12 (01:23:04):
Women who were going to get my money back. That's
when I lost the money earlier this year.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
So they were going to get your money back from
a previous scam.

Speaker 12 (01:23:12):
Yeah, because I said there are people that are a
company in Europe and they said they worked for some
place up near Switzerland or somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Did they get in touch with you, Nivel, Yes, so
that that would have been I mean, looking back, there's
quite a big red flag there, right, is that you've
lost or he lost this money to the first scammer.
Then out of the blue Dove contacted. We can happen.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Yeah, do you think they were the same person? Do
you think they were potentially the same people?

Speaker 12 (01:23:41):
And you don't know, You don't know because scammers are
they're a big business. And so one of the scammers
that was I was talking to a couple of years ago.
You could hear they are in London and they.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Could you hear that in London? Do you hear big
being in the background or something?

Speaker 12 (01:24:01):
You could hear all these noises, and he said he
was from London, right, right, right. And I even had
a photograph of a car he went to many to
buy a particular Mercedes, a very a well known but
not a very not very many were produced, and they

(01:24:21):
got I got photos of it, and I even tried
to ring up the police department in the UK, and
I got onto some civilian side of it, and they
couldn't put me through because I had evidence of where
the of the car report which they could track it
down to who owned it. I couldn't even get through
the police. And I tried that, but.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Very hard when it's all overseas.

Speaker 12 (01:24:44):
Yeah, And and anyway, the time went on and these
people had I had lawyers, supposedly lawyers who were scammers
in America and stuff, trying to get my money back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
And so you've had this, you've had this. These horrible
things happened to you. But what I'm really my question
for you and Nevels, how are you approaching things now?
Because you've been burnt so many times? Have you got
a few ideas in your place where you're you know,
potentially not going into online business deals those kind of things.

Speaker 12 (01:25:20):
Yeah, it was never online though, they're always ringing me up.
The first part was I was looking online to go
to invest money, but now they ring me up. Yeah,
but the last couple of ones have been about there
being women and so okay, I lost a couple of
hours earlier this year. Just the latest ones have been women's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
I think you've just got to not you know. You
now know that those phone calls and those offers online
and the ones that are coming through unsolicited are scan right, Yeah,
they're just scanned.

Speaker 12 (01:25:55):
I side tracked the whole conversation if you're a woman
and I get into a sexual mode and then the
last one hung up on me. So that's what that's
my that's my hell. I'm dealing with them, but I
haven't had one for about two months now, right, Well,
and thanks for.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
You call, Neville.

Speaker 17 (01:26:12):
But just.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
Yes, anyone's ringing yet saying I've got got a business
deal for you, Neville, just hang up on them, get
a whistle. I don't know. I mean, that's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
If you're being scammed by people around a previous scam,
then you are in some kind of a scam inception situation. Yeah,
and when that happens, there's a good chance that the
scammers are running both sides of the situation. Yeah, just
get off the.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Phone, Nevill or the beast here, my friend. But thanks
for even a yak, and there'll be people listening that hopefully,
hopefully will learn a bit from your experience.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
And if you got any advice for Nevill, Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Yeah, yeah, please come on through. It is quarter past three,
back very shortly. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call us? Talks'd be it is
seventeen pass three.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Now, all those people that have texted in and asked
for Nevill's number, we're not we're not handing that out. No,
there's some opportunities that pleeppople that have come in say,
can we please have Nivel's number?

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
No, no, no, there's not much we can do to
pretict Neville, but we can.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Do that well, yeah, I mean never needs to get
off the phone. Yeah, if it's unsolicited, absolutely, Then if
someone offers you something they ring up, then that's when
you be very very suspicious. Although Dunkin says the moment
you start saying that it's someone's own stupid fault, you
reward the criminals selection of a target. If you do
it to dumb people, it's okay. That's the level of
tolerance for crime. You set.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
So interesting point.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
What scammers do, and you know this is famous that
that often and these these scam they'll they'll put spelling
here as they'll they'll they have a way of sorting
out who is savvy and so people because there's no
point in wasting their time on someone that's super savvy. Yes,
so they sometimes they make the scam really dumb and

(01:27:56):
really obvious, and because that's how you get through so
terrible spelling, all these kind of things exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
And you know it's sad to say, but unfortunately that
was the trap that Neville fell into, is that once
he was scammed by that first scammer, that opened him
up to a whole bunch of other scammers. Knowing he
was he was right for the picking, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
This good couple of rhymes coming through, we're looking at
for a rhyme that that sort of explains what we're
doing here. If you share a scam, you're the man
Matt didn't vote, so to punch him in the throat.
That's from there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
That's brilliant. Yeah, good work, I.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Guess from Tony and the y Wrapper. Good stuff. You
got scammed on YouTube?

Speaker 16 (01:28:37):
I did, and it was through a stunning combination of
stupidity in greed.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Yours, yes mine?

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Well you know you, you know, if you can have
that kind of self reflection, then you're not You're not
that dumb. Fiona took us through it.

Speaker 16 (01:28:55):
It was about three years ago, and it was right
at the height of the doge coin excitement. Elon Musk
had released as doge coin and was heavily promoting it,
and I had bought a few doge coins just for
just the last really and there was going to be
a YouTube interview that he was doing and it was

(01:29:17):
widely promoted. It was going to be on a Sunday
afternoon at a certain time, so I thought, oh, yeah,
it'd be really interesting to see what he has to say.
So I searched on YouTube for that Elon Musk interview
and I jumped on the live stream and there were
a whole lot of them that came up when I searched,
and I went with the one that had the most viewers.
It was millions of viewers, and I thought, oh yeah,
that's it. So I jumped on that and I watched

(01:29:40):
the interview and it was really good, and then towards
the end of it, the screen split and there was
a message that came up saying, look is a special
offer for our viewers.

Speaker 11 (01:29:51):
Elon is going to.

Speaker 16 (01:29:52):
Test out this crypto thing. So what he wants you
to do is quickly send him a thousand doge coins
and it will instantly double and be sent.

Speaker 17 (01:30:02):
Back to you.

Speaker 16 (01:30:02):
And it was a bit of a publicity lart thing
to promote dose coin, and without kind of exercising my
brain too much or at all, I thought, oh, yeah, okay,
so yeah, I sent off my thousand doge coin, and
then as soon as I'd done it, I thought, hold
on a minute, and sure enough I didn't get anything back,
and a short time later realized that it was a

(01:30:24):
very very well done scam. So what they what they've done, Basically,
they had they created an extra skin of that live
stream on YouTube and then diverted the viewers to that one,
and then it just suckered people in. So they made
millions on it. Apparently that day played to them, and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
The evil of it to the amount of prep, you know,
so that they're running an organization, they go, go, go, go,
like someone putting a television show on a live TV show.
They've got producers, they're putting it together and we're going
live with this, and this is how the scam is
going to go. So incredibly premeditated. So how much was
the if you don't mind me asking you, how much

(01:31:05):
was a thousand doze corn worth?

Speaker 16 (01:31:07):
At that time it was about seven excuse me, seven
hundred dollars New Zealand?

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Right, yeah, And is that is that a lesson? Is
that a lesson that was worth seven hundred dollars? Do
you think, Fiona?

Speaker 16 (01:31:19):
Well, yeah, I think the lesson for me was the
old thing of you know, if it seems too good
to be true, then it company is too good to
be true, and I shouldn't have done it. It was
absolutely stupidity. I went against all my inner voice of saying.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
It's such a common one in the crypto space, Fiona,
is that they used to call them drops that you
if you spent so much of your crypto whatever it
was Bitcoin or another, and you you buy into the
scheme and then you are entitled to drops every couple
of months where they give you gifts either other crypto
or whatever. So many people fell into that because, as

(01:31:53):
you say, you've made some good money on crypto, you
might be feeling pretty good elon Musk's promoting it. Then
all of a sudden you've got a chance to double
your money. Very enticing.

Speaker 16 (01:32:02):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely so yeah a lisson learned.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Well, thank you for sharing because you and that helps people.
Hearing these stories will help people be a little bit
more caution themselves, cautious themselves, So thank you so much
for that, Fiona. It is interesting though now because you know,
you back in the day, there used to be the
King's Seal, right, the seal and wax yep. And it
was very hard to fake back in the day because
you know, to have the thing to make the seal

(01:32:27):
all these kind of things, and so if it came
with the king seal on it, it meant something that
was you know, all back in Roman times as well,
the Caesars and ye know yeah, and so there's a
level of I guess legitimus that can be dis demonstrated.
But now you can go to a website like the

(01:32:47):
fellow before about the est thing looks exactly like it.
It's completely merrit it looks exactly the same. And it's
just so hard to get that authenticity of something to
know that this is the solid, real thing now incredibly
hard to see. You just have to go around just
being so incredibly suspicious absolutely all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Yeah you do, Oh Waite hundred and eighty ten. He
is the number to call. We've got full boards. If
you can't get through, keep trying, but we'll come back
with more of your calls very shortly. If you want
to send a textar coming through Thick and Fast nineteen
ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Not giving out Nevil's numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Stop asking, Stop asking.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
You dirty scammers.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Twenty four, Part three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred
eighty eighty on yous talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Very good afternoon too. So we're talking about scams. If
you've been a victim of a scam recently, love to
hear from you to share the red flags in hindsight
that you may have or should have spotted.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Well, as you know, Tyler, as I always say, a
scam shared is a scam Beard, I've always said it.
I always always say a scam shared is your money spared?
You know, I always say, scam shared is a victim.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Spared, it's some good age old advice from you, Matt Heath.
You know that's a Pearl of Wizards. So that's also
doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
So people are sharing their scam so other people know
what to look out for. Alan, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (01:34:07):
Oh hey today, how you go?

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Good? So you have a relative that had a bit
of a problem with the romance situation.

Speaker 18 (01:34:17):
Yeah, I wouldn't say romante situation. It was kind of
like she she you know, she's a fan of sport,
loves sport, loves for it, the lovetiness, and you know,
she's got her favorite stars and things. And I'll probably
explain sort of how it happens, but yeah, my mother.
I introduced my mother to Facebook, and you know, loves
a great way to connect and keep in touch with

(01:34:38):
family members and that sort of thing. So it's a
fantastic tool for that. And then so to help her
with that, you know, she had originally she had old
iPhone five and I linked to my old iPad and
got her on that and everything, and anyway, I had
to borrow the eyepads a little bit and got back
and hadn't looked at it for a week while switched
it on, and there was all these notifications from a

(01:35:01):
you know, pretty recognizable sports so everyone get the name away,
but ten start anyway, there in various messages were popping
up on deer regarding sending iTunes cards, which extremely common,
you know, sort of scan and they were simply to
do with you know, hey, if you paid for this thing,

(01:35:21):
then you'll get a special VIP membship thing.

Speaker 14 (01:35:24):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:35:24):
There was quite a few of these cards being spent.
So anyway, I confronted my mother. We talked about those,
and you know, we agreed to stop. However, about three
to four weeks later, I'd also helped out some other
stuff here in net banking and things, and about three
or four weeks later I came back and I noticed
there was about nineteen thousand dollars missing from her regular

(01:35:45):
bank accounts, and turned out that's iTunes cards. And that
was over period about as I say, three weeks. Again
confronted her, got the banks involved, and by the way,
for a bank, so who but I'm the bank as well,
so I'm very familiar with all this stuff than your
average sort of hunter. Anyway, again, sort of further confrontations
ensued and blocking the so called scammers. But what they

(01:36:09):
try to do you a long story short is they
try to get you off the platform. So Messenger was
the platform, but they take you into things like what's
called Zangi, which I'd never heard of another app, and
then of course Telegram a spell that is like z
h A n.

Speaker 7 (01:36:27):
G I.

Speaker 18 (01:36:29):
G I forget. Yeah, Zangi is a common one, and Telegram.
So these are the two, you know, apps of choice
that these scammers hues. And the reason why they found
this out later is as I've been helped trying to
help my mother, that they get you off immediately because
their profiles get blocked and canceled by quite quickly, and

(01:36:52):
so the quicker they can get off the main platform,
the meta platforms that you know, we don't want their
basically got their hawks into you can't control it. So
you know, this kind of ensued and they carried on
and kind of to the stay. The communications persist. But
luckily I'm I'm on top of it and with power
of attorney and things. But man, it's been a lesson

(01:37:12):
and I can tell you the reason I'm calling you
guys is the attempts meant for me to stop my
mother from buying these things. Was going around all the
retailers that would sell these iTunes cars, because we're talking
literally hundreds of these things, and she would buy you're
only allowed to buy them at two hundred or two
hundred and fifty dollars a pop from each retailer. So
she was having a great time doing a tekey tour

(01:37:35):
around the city finding out all these different places where
she could buy these things from. And I would go
around and provide a brochure with my mother's picture on
and instantly recognized her and so, yep, we know her.
She comes into Killy and we've told her that she's
been scanned and things, so thinking they're actively telling her.
But yes, I got these people to contact me whenever

(01:37:55):
she would come in to buy these things. And so
I actually fatally so yet we'll absolutely right. Well, she
used to startle to your mother and tell them I'll
tell her that the machine has broken or something. But
I and I said, again, my main recent calling you,
And I asked them, I said, how many other people
would you say that? I'd like, you know, to fit
the profile of my mother, you know, but that look
maybe your elderly thank you said, yes, yeah, we've got

(01:38:19):
quite a few people that come in along and buying
these cards and they'll be saying that they're buying them
to a grand daughter or something like that. But you know,
I don't even know what you use iTunes cards for.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Yeah, well, thankfully your mum had such a caring onto
it son that and that that that that you did
what you did Ellen, you know, because it's because there's
a lot of people that are elderly and alone and
then just don't have that support to try and you know,
go through that. So so good on you. But those two,
those two red flags taking you off that platform that

(01:38:51):
you're on to a private conversation, you know, sit back
and forth. And I think WhatsApps another one that you know,
they use WhatsApp a lot as well, because yeah, and
and those and those Apple app Store and Google play Yards,
you know, because because as I was saying before, there's

(01:39:11):
no names, no bank, it's irreversible, it's instant, and it's
remote remote, so they can just get that, they get
the serial number to spend it. And you know, it's
just incredibly easy for them to launder it, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:39:23):
Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 18 (01:39:25):
And My only message out there to people, you know,
middle aged, middle aged people out there that have parents
that elderly and are active on on these social media
platforms and live alone. My message to you at least
do a bit of a health check with them, you know,
check their Facebook accounts, just if they'll let you. One
thing I did find was my mother became extremely protective
and it really challenged our relationships in terms of me

(01:39:47):
being kind of like a nosey Parker and her personal fears.
But I really had no choice. And I think, you know,
if you've got family members that that profile really encourage
you to sort of have an open conversation around you know,
what they're actually how they're engaging with social media, and
just very mindful that these are the sort of things
that these people, these people actively target and the lonely,

(01:40:09):
and they're quite easy to identify, I think.

Speaker 10 (01:40:11):
So.

Speaker 18 (01:40:11):
Yeah, Unfortunately, the more the more you do it, the
more the algorithm which and against you.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
Yeah, exactly on the string.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
Well, thank God for you, Allen and protect you mother.
And that's it. You know, it's a hard conversation for
kids to have with their parents if they are trapped
in one of those those scams and just on the
Apple cards, you know whether there is and I don't
know how you do this, but just listening to Allen
and he had to go to the individual retailers if
they've seen elderly people coming on a regular basis, I mean,

(01:40:40):
is there any responsibility from their side?

Speaker 19 (01:40:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Well, everyone knows that that's how the scams work. Yeah,
that the the Apple store, Apple App cards and the
Google play cards. It's a huge part of it, you know.
Thank you so much, Ellen. As I always say, scam
shared is a scam. A scam shared is a victim spared.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Yeah, there we go. It's good advice. It is twenty
seven to four.

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Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
Thank you very much, Railean. We are talking about scammers.
If you've found yourself a victim of scammers recently, loved
to hear from you on oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Here's another rhyme for people that are listening earlier. Come through. Yep,
Nivel's on the line. You're about to make a dime,
Poor Annett. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:42:43):
Hey, I finally got there. I've been waiting for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Thank you, Thank you for holding on. We've had we've
had a lot of calls coming through on this, but
thank you so much for holding on. And yeah, please
share your story.

Speaker 7 (01:42:54):
Yeah, so my scammer is probably a little bit I've
only just jumped on, guys, So my my scammer is
a little bit different from the other ones that I've heard.
Mine was a romance scam. So this guy was supposedly
based in Egypt on an oil rag, which at the
time I didn't know was a very common scam. So

(01:43:14):
he I think the biggest things that I can say
straight up is the first thing is if they get
too friendly with you too quickly, that is one thing
they start calling you darling and sweetie, and.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
So this is just just can we go back? Except
so this was with you, So it was you directly
that was talking to this this supposed person on the
Egyptian oil RG.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Yeah, so how did the contact. How did the contact
first start in?

Speaker 12 (01:43:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:43:43):
Through Instagram? Instagram, right, Yeah, So I had some photos
on there and I looked like I was pretty well off.
I guess I'm not. I'm not really well off, but
I was doing pretty good at the time, and so
he made a connection with me and then we were

(01:44:03):
talking every day. And then after that he's like, I
really want to come down to New Zealand to meet
with you, but my bank account is locked because I
haven't used it for a long time. And then he
sent through a screenshot of how many millions he had
in his bank account.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
And then at that point were you suspicious at all?
What was your mindset at this at the stage in
it to they.

Speaker 7 (01:44:32):
Really honest, I was working incredibly long shift hours. I
probably wasn't thinking too straight. I have to own I
was probably just a bit naive. I was naive. I
knew about crypto scams, but I had no idea about
this romance scam kind of thing. But anyway, he ripped

(01:44:53):
me for forty five k ah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Right, and so did how did how did you? How
was that money handed over to him? Annett?

Speaker 7 (01:45:03):
Initially it was through bank transfers, and then after that
my bank suspected something and they stopped me from making
bank transfers. And this is where I feel like a
real idiot, but I'm going to admit it. He would
ask me for iTunes vouchers and they are completely intractable.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Yeah, we've heard a lot about the iTunes vouchers and
the Google Play vouchers and the way they get around
thing because they're not controlled. So how much communication that
had you had with this a better word than gentlemen,
this this piece of crap. Had you video talked?

Speaker 7 (01:45:38):
You know, as a it was a video talk, but
it was only for a couple of minutes, and they
can manipulate that. So he actually had stolen someone's identity
and he used the photo of this guy and then
it was sort of like cutting in and out and
he was talking to me, but then he's like, oh

(01:45:59):
my god, you know that it's really bad wi fi
and cut off. So they happened a couple of times.
But just I think the biggest other thing, if you
don't mind me saying without interrupting me, is that the
other thing that will happen with a scamera is like,
oh my god, something really bad has happened, and can

(01:46:20):
you please help me out with money? That is a
very common thing, and that is what he said. He
told me he had been arrested. I went at the
airport for two hours for this guy. He didn't turn up,
and then I got back and there were all these emails,
I've been arrested. Can you contact my company? And then
the money demand started for the lawyers.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
All right, so sorry, now you go.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
I'll just quickly back to the first approach from him
on Instagram into your direct message. How long were you
talking before he first started asking for money? Are we
talking months?

Speaker 7 (01:46:57):
It was a couple of months, yep. And it was
just small amounts and it was for his children, supposedly.
And then and then after we had been in contact
for about six months, then it was like, I'm like
really in love with you and I want to come
down to New Zealand, but my bank account is locked.

(01:47:19):
Can you pay for it? And he knew I had
an inheritance. He took all my father's inheritance, right, and
so my father's hard earned money gone.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
And how did that feel? Because I assume, and you
tell me if I'm wrong, but you had fallen in
love with him.

Speaker 7 (01:47:40):
I know that sounds crazy, right, I mean, I know
it sounds and I feel pathetic saying it in front
of you, guys. I'm sorry, and to anyone who's listening.
But I talked to him probably two or three times
a day. I was a flight attendant, international flight attendant,
so I talked to him before I left, when I
arrived into the hotel, and it was daily, and it

(01:48:03):
was you know, at the time, it was very lovely, okay,
And oh my god, I mean, I feel like such
a dick now, can you imagine?

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Yeah, but it's easy. It's easy to say that from
my perspective. But looking at it and in the same
way that you're looking at it back, you can it
seems so clear to you now. But did you did
you explain this to friends? And did friends any red flags?

Speaker 7 (01:48:32):
Embarest? I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed. I was ashamed
that I had fallen for something so stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
But what I mean when it was going on, were
you saying to your friends, I've met this guy, and
did they say did any of them raise it and
say you sure this is legit?

Speaker 7 (01:48:52):
They kind of seemed happy for me. They said, maybe
you should check it out a bit and I did
check it out somewhat. But one thing also was the
identity that this guy had stolen as one of the
most stolen identities on the internet, his face, right, And

(01:49:14):
I didn't bloody know that. Yeah, and I didn't know that.
And then when I when things started to become unhinged,
I did start doing some real investigative work. And God
bless the guy who the real man of the face
of the person I thought I was talking to. He
did a twenty minute video talk because he has his

(01:49:36):
face has been used so much for scamming?

Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
Is it the perfect face for is it something?

Speaker 7 (01:49:41):
Is that?

Speaker 11 (01:49:41):
Is it?

Speaker 20 (01:49:42):
I don't know?

Speaker 7 (01:49:42):
Maybe?

Speaker 20 (01:49:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Wow? And did you ever have it? Did you ever?
Did you ever have a manage to ever? And one
thing people can do now is you can drag a
picture into and Google do image search, and so you
can do that. But did you ever have a confrontation
with this this fake gentleman?

Speaker 7 (01:50:05):
Oh my god? So many times? Right, so many times,
and he's still still denied it. It wouldn't matter what
I said. You know, he's I'm pretty sure he's a
Nigerian scammer. And you know, unfortunately that is the biggest
place for scamming. But just the thing is that not
only did I lose my career from the stress, oh no,

(01:50:27):
I lost like because I was so stressed out. This
guy was supposedly in jail, so you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
Were stressed out about you were stressed out about his problems,
his fake provins. Oh man, that's hijacked empathy, isn't it. Yeah,
I mean that's the evil of it.

Speaker 7 (01:50:44):
My career an eighty five thousand dollar career money.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
Yeah, I don't think you should feel embarrassed or crazy
about that at all. It I mean, that's the insidious
nature of these sort of scams. That tangled web the
scammer was weaving. You know, it is looking back on hindsight,
of course you may think that, and as you said,
Matt sitting here, but it is.

Speaker 7 (01:51:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
That's why works so often is because of the manipulation
over a long period of time, and it is so
so common.

Speaker 16 (01:51:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
Well, I mean, look, yeah, and look, thank you for
your honesty and sharing because it will help people. I mean,
and you know, the past isn't a realm that you
can exist, and so you've got to forgive yourself and
learn from it and move forward. A net. But you
know there'll be a lot of people listening that will
be help from you sharing that story.

Speaker 7 (01:51:38):
If anyone asked for money, don't give it to them
if you have not met them. That is my biggest thing.
Please for all the viewers or hearers or whatever, just
don't give anyone money. Yeah, because yeah, anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
Thank you so much, thank you for sharing. Yeah, really good.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
And definitely don't go anywhere near the Google Play gift
cards or the Apple App Store iTunes cards.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
That's a biggie. Yeah right, We're going to play some messages,
but when we come back, we'll take a few more calls.
It is thirteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams with you is your afternoon rolls
on Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
It'd be very good afternoon here. It is teen to
four a nistor. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 27 (01:52:22):
Hi, gentlemen, how's it going?

Speaker 10 (01:52:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
Now we've only got a couple of minutes, snister, so
are you yeah, we'll tell you your sorry.

Speaker 27 (01:52:30):
Yeah, well, last last Thursday, I've got to miss it.
I've got a call and said, oh is this nestor Yeah, yeah,
this is oh is there? And they told me my
they have me. Am, is this your email?

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
Yes?

Speaker 27 (01:52:42):
Yes, oh you you you were a customer of US
a year ago or a couple of years ago, but
we haven't heard from you. And you invested two hundred
and fifty dollars on some cryptal currency currency and right
now you've got twenty so but we haven't metal just

(01:53:03):
checking you. Oh I don't I can't really remember that,
but whatever, you know. And then they were very nice,
very friendly. I said, oh, we'll show you. So I was,
I was home out on my computer. They told me
where to go and it was a legit looked like
a legit page and then oh that that does the count.

(01:53:23):
And they gave me the path where everything go in.
And they said, oh, what do you want to do
with it? I said, well I didn't. I didn't not
have that, but will be good to cash out, you know,
because I'm I'm gonna call on holidays, And all of
a sudden there's two women calling me and on on

(01:53:44):
or on video call and stuff like that, and they
were so something, so legit. And then they said, oh,
do you know I have to use this problem? No, no,
not show Oh we we can. Then they stop remote okay,
you know I did that, and and they were setting

(01:54:06):
helping me to set up another account on on another
week because the creeketoor you can first place strict at
your bank. And the moment they said, oh two, okay,
you can put your bank account it tas here and
we'll be terseer and moment opened down, I thought, hold of, miss,
excuse me, but I'm not going to give you my

(01:54:26):
bank account like that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Thank god you said that. Yeah, now, I mean that
is a telltale and quite a common scam. And thank
god the red flag popped up for you when it did,
my friend, thank you very much for your call. It
is eight minutes to fall beg for you shortly here
on news talks it be.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 7 (01:54:52):
It be.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
News talks there be it is five to four.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
It's been a great chat. As I always say, a
scam shared is a victim speared. So thank you so
much for all those stories. Boy Anne, that's thank you
so much for sharing that. That's credible. But little things
that we've spotted. I guess I've learned this, say our
If you can put someone's image in Google searches and
will bring up and you know, and that person was
a very famous image that she was being scammed by.

(01:55:17):
Don't take it off the platform that you're on. Don't
go to another off platform thing to discuss. Don't give
money to someone you have just met and haven't met
in person. And if someone says their account is locked,
it isn't. They're scamming you. And whatever you do, don't
go get involved in anything that involves Apple gift cards
or Google gift cards, you know, because that's a massive

(01:55:40):
red fag because they're so easy launder and there's no
trail from them. All right, thank you so much for listening.
Everyone loved our chat today. It's been it's been a
fantastic old time. These last four hours of radio. Our
podcast will be available in about an hour from right now.
The great and powerful Paul Holmes Broadcaster of the Year,
Heatherdop with the Ellen is up next. But Tyler, my

(01:56:01):
good friend, tell me why am I playing the song
I'm a Loser by back?

Speaker 20 (01:56:05):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
So this could go both ways? Is this because we
had such a low turnout and nobody bothered to vote.
Or is it because there's a few people out there
that lost a bit of money by scammers?

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
Wow, I now it's I'm a loser because I did
a whole show telling people to vote in the local
body elections in there, filled out my forms and left
them on the counter and didn't vote.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Beautifully done. Yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
I'm a loser. Baby, Why don't you kill me? Great song?

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
Great song?

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
All right until tomorrow after noon. Give them a taste.
Keiwi from us Alessia.

Speaker 1 (01:56:38):
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