Full Show Podcast: 14 April 2025

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Full Show Podcast number one O eight for the fourteenth
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We go deep into the new driver's license stuff. That
was a really really good chat and some shocking busking
stories from around the world. There's some terrible buskers out there,

(00:38):
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yes, good afternoon to you on this Monday afternoon. I
hope you're doing well.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
We're ivy.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
You're listening on the Country Ghetto Match.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Tyler good a. Everyone, Welcome to the show. All you're
great New Zealanders. Thanks for tuning, And can I just
put a PSA out there please, just a public service
and mountain it. We're a country that drives on the left,
so we're also a country that walks on the left.
I think people don't know that I did a huge
run on the weekend training for the marathon at the
end of the year, and the amount of people that

(01:28):
are coming at me walking on the wrong side of
the road and then getting annoyed when I'm hugging the
left when I'm running up a hill or a mountain
or a small path. So I don't think people are
being rude. No, I think just for everything to work,
people just need to remember that you work, walk tight
on the left side of the road, and then people
can pass you. It works out. It works brilliantly. And

(01:50):
like I get a tourists of this country, I'm not
just going to pile through them. I'm not just going
to plow through twenty five tourist because they're on the
wrong side of the road. I'm not that kind of guy.
But if I can sense that you've been in New
Zealand for more than six months old, plower right through.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, good. I think it is kind of a key
we thing that we like to think we're right, But
I think we dig in when you know, if we're
walking on one part of the footpath and we see
someone coming the other way, it's like playing chicken with
a pedestrian. None of us moves and then you do
the wee kind of shoulder rub.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, oh yeah, I think so, And look we You know,
I love my country. I love New Zealanders, but I
will say that we can be a little bit grumpy
and a little bit prickly in some circumstances. We've got
terrible road range in this country, and we can get
a bit of a walking range as well.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, so just get out of meteath wave. If you
see them running, get the hell out of my way. PSA.
He done and dusted, right onto today's show What life
skills are essential to do. Mechanics are worried about the
general lack of knowledge of basic car maintenance. This is
like changing a tire, topping up the wipe of fluid,
checking your oil. But we'll take it a bit broader
than that.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, I've got a theory that we're getting more and
more useless. My uncle Tim He just have the deck
on the front of the shed that he built at
his house. He's eighty years old. Yep, And I think
I'm more you and my dad can do all that
kind of thing. I'm way more useless than my dad,
and unfortunately my kids are more useless than me in
terms of practical things. So I think there's a certain

(03:22):
amount of basic practical things that everyone needs to be taught.
As if you're going to be a good parent, you've
got to teach your kids to change a tire. We'll
to screw electric screwdriver, do CPR. I don't know you
can blind fuse some basic plumbing knowledge.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Filid of fish, filid of fish, maybe that's kind of
a high level skill, actually.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Fliloting a fish. That's to what's out there, to what level.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
That if you catch a snapper you should be able
to fill it it.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
No, you get the guy out there when you get
off the boat to fill it.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I'm going to teach you how to fill it at
some stage, but that is going to be.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
A good I am useless. I'm terrible floating a fresh
I leave so much fresh on the fish.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
And it is a hard one because while you're learning,
then you waste a lot of fish and people get grumpy.
But that is after three o'clock. After two o'clock buskers,
they've been banned and less to square in the UK
after a judge's ruled they were inflicting psychological torture on
off as work is terrible music in the same song,
over and over and over again.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I think there's really really amazing buskers out there in
New Zealand, and I think there's really really terrible buskers.
And I just wonder if there should be a minimum
level of busking before you're allowed to busk. And look,
I don't want to get into more regulations. Maybe there
just needs to be a shaming situation. Maybe we need
to stop giving money to bad buskers. But you shouldn't
be out there busking if you can't put on a

(04:44):
decent performance. There's a lot of great musicians in this country.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
It's going to be a great chat that is after
two o'clock, because right now, let's have a chat about
drivers licensed test. The government has proposed changes removing the
practical test to attain a full license in a bid
to streamline and lower the costs. So we want to
have a chat about those proposed changes, but take it
a bit wider than that. How important is it to
impart to your children how to stay safe on the road.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, I don't think the second test. Look, the second
test seems inefficient and expensive and not really why young
people have accidents in terms of that basic being able
to drive. You know they've passed the restricted, you show
that they can show they can drive. I think the
more important part of it is to impart into kids
the seriousness of getting on the road and just how

(05:32):
how dangerous it is and how that is the riskiest
thing in your in the world, going between cities, because
most of these fatal accidents, and I think primarily the
job of getting people, you know, of drivers licensing is
to make sure that people have whether we have less
fatal accidents, right, yeah, and the majority of those happened

(05:54):
on the open road. And just you know, the culture
of your in a race past the person in front
of you, not fully understanding in your head that the
huge responsibility you have for the people in your car
and the other people on the road, and just the consequences.
I think that is the entire focus of it. Whether
you indicate exactly perfectly on a roundabout. Who cares? Yeah,

(06:18):
search passons? I don't know around town? Who cares?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
The parallel parking? Yeah, I mean, look, yeah, important skill,
But is it going to keep you safe on the road.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I've seen you parallel park I can't believe it. You've
got a license.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I've just got a button now in the car that
I breath does it for me?

Speaker 2 (06:33):
But I just don't think that sickond driver's license. No
one else in the world doesn't. Yeah, you've already proven
that you can drive the car. You've got this period
of time before you get your full license. More restrictions
on that, and in my opinion, just somehow not the
punishing TV ads because they don't work well. You know
that there a people aren't watching TV anymore. Yeah, but

(06:54):
just that needs to be the focus and part of
the full seriousness of what it means to drive a
car on the open roads. In New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
They used to and maybe they still do. Oh one
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. But
remember they used to go around. It would be survivors
of serious car crashes and they would turn up to
schools and talk to the kids about the ramifications of
what they did. They were speeding, they had too many drinks,
whatever it was, and that was taken up and down

(07:21):
the country. That seemed to be rather effective. But then
I recall I believe it was a police officer. Maybe
it was a service from the police that they would
turn up with pictures of mangled cars on what happens
if you had another vehicle going at seventy k one
hundred k And again, that seemed to get the message
through pretty pretty well, particularly in an all boys school,
because let's be honest, it's mostly young male drivers here

(07:43):
that this isn't silly buggers here if you have an age.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
To go again, just putting your boot into young men.
That's the entire focus of all media in this country. Yeah, okay,
let's just keep it on all people.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
All people. Yeah, well, okay, the female drivers love to
text and drive. I've got to say I'm throwing out
message generalizations here, but oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is this a good move from the government. There's been
a lot of pushback on it, a lot of people
freaking out, saying getting rid of the practical driving test
to get a full license is going to mean more
accidents on the road. Is that true or do we

(08:15):
need to be reinforcing those messages to young drivers how
to stay safe on the road.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
How would you do that? Yeah, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. How do you get it into a young
person's head the full importance of driving out on the
open road, the full danger and the absolute serious nature
of driving between cities.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Call
it's fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
It'd be good afternoon. We are talking about the proposed
changes to licensing systems. Effectively, one of the big changes
would get rid of the practical driving tests to progress
to a full license. That is in an effort to
streamline the process and to save people going through that
process quite a bit of money. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number of.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Cours, Jason, welcome the show. You think this is a
crazy move?

Speaker 6 (09:13):
Oh, look I do.

Speaker 7 (09:14):
Look.

Speaker 8 (09:14):
I draw the analogy that a new driver and a
vehicle capable of speeds up to whatever it is on
an open road, in my opinion, is equally as dangerous
as a firearms in the hand of a wrong person.
I mean that they both catasgraphic if things go wrong, right,
But listen, I think it's the same sort of process,

(09:35):
and they're obviously not going to dispense from your peeroge
you spend on a restricted license. It's just that last
stage to qualify or graduate to a full license. For me,
I think the sensible approach is really every single driver
in this country, if they want to get a full
license and take passengers after ten foot whatever, has to
do some form of defensive driving course.

Speaker 9 (09:57):
Just on that grant.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yep, yeah, I'm sorry, just on that defensive driving course.
And I was just about to do a bit of
a Google search on it. I never did it, so
do you know what's entailed? When you so you don't
know what I know.

Speaker 8 (10:10):
Younger people have done it in order to cut down
the time they need to spend on a restricted and
not only just the time that it cuts down. But
I would be so much a better driver in all
honesty if I if I had have gone through some
form of defensive awareness. We'll call it whatever you like
to call it. But you get behind a ware, well,
somebody who understands the motor vehicle.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
You could still do that, Jason, you can book yourself
in right now.

Speaker 8 (10:35):
Absolutely, absolutely so I can. But in order, I'm just
talking about those who want to get a full license now,
because we can't go back in time. Sure, there's got
to be some one two lives a year for something
like that. Let's all be honest. Some instructors take their
job real serious and they've got to think.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
All them do.

Speaker 8 (10:52):
But you can get instructors who are more cautious than others.
When they take you for that test, they put out
a few you know, obstacles. You know, what do you
see here? What do you see there? Well, if you're
a quick finger, and most young people are, they can
do all that proper stuff. But to get in behind
a car and learn how to drive it sensibly and safely,

(11:13):
it's me the only way to go. I mean, that's
what they do in many countries overseas.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
And other countries overseas that they don't have the two tests.
They have the one practical test where in a real outlier.
So do you think that it's that second test is important?
Because my argument is that's not the difference. You can
drive a car, you can pretend to drive a car
very well. You can behave during the driving test. So
really the restricted test shows that you know how to

(11:38):
drive the car and you know the rules of the road.
The second test, I don't know what that really does.
It's set for up the price of things and recheck
what you've already checked. My thoughts is exactly on what
you're saying, Jason, that the out on the roads, you know,
out on the open roads, that's where the horrible carnage happens,

(11:59):
and it's an incredibly serious thing. So I think personally
the focus should be on that, on teaching people just
the absolute magnitude of of the seriousness of driving in
your car between cities at high speeds. Can you think
of any any way that that could be imparted to kids,
to young people as they're getting their license.

Speaker 8 (12:19):
Yeah, because one of the arguments of having that middle
in the process, the three stage process in this country
is that you only get better of driving as you
get years under your belt. Now that's proven in correct.
If you could suit up, you could shortcut that dramatically
just by doing what we've suggested and that is, have
a professional driver education course. You can learn that pretty

(12:42):
much straight away. You don't have to have five years
driving experience, like they say now to be that astute
on the road. And that's what we're talking about, being
a student and knowing your dangers around you.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
So you're kind of suggesting, if I'm understanding what you're saying, Jason,
is that instead of the second driving test, that second
bit and the money being spent on that should be
equivalent of the defense of driving tests through it. Yes,
and you know, maybe putting the fear of God into
your around the risks that that are on the open road.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
Yeah, just like you've got to go through all the
dramas we're getting up our own license. You know, they
don't give you that so not faith. So yeah, that
is my point.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, fantastic, Jason.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Thank you for you for a few texts coming through here. Guys.
I did the defensive driving course and it was fantastic.
And this one guy's New Zealand open roads are atrocious
and dangerous. I refuse to drive on them. It means
I'm stuck in Auckland, which limits me. But it's a
trade off I'm willing to make.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I wonder if this is just spitballing a crazy idea,
because when you look at the stats and you know,
as you can imagine, due to the speeds on the
open roads, the young people that die on our roads,
it's predominantly out on the open road both by a
huge percentage, right, And there were eighty seven fatal crashes
involving people between fifteen and twenty four. I've got this

(13:59):
is in twenty twenty three, seventy five fatal crashes that
were attributed primary responsibility to people between twenty four and
twenty five. Is there an idea, and this might be crazy,
that you have an open road license that because it's
a very different thing. Driving on the open road is
a very different thing than heading down to the deiry
or driving to work. Yeah, you know, driving between cities.

(14:22):
It is a very very different thing.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
I haven't thought not a silly idea. I would add
a motorway license on top of that as well. So
motorway and open road I think probably the two stretches
of roading infrastructure that not most excellence happen and the
most craziness happened.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
On a motorway.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Hic yere No, I am I am shocked at some
of the driving on the Auckland Motorway. Some of it
is I mean, even when it's bumper to bumper, people
make stupid decisions.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I don't think there's anywhere on the driving on the
open roads of New Zealand one hundred k each way
at each other, only separated by white strips of.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Paint on terms of death. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, But.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I wouldn't include I wouldn't include the motorways in that,
but I would include open road license. I don't know
how work. I've just thought of it. I'm sure there's
a million reasons why it wouldn't work. But if you
what do you think about this? The dumping of the
proposed dumping of the second practical test to get your
driver's license.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty c number to
call twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Putting the time questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (15:29):
The new prime minister is will us for nine billion
the new money for defense? What magic are you pulling
out of a hat to find that you're quite skeptical
about our whole Find your.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Books and they don't look good. No, look it is
with our fiscal track.

Speaker 10 (15:41):
What it means is that we understand what we've committed
around delivering within our operating allowances. You know you're going
to have to come here on the Monday after and
then you're going to know, you know, I know that's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
You've actually wanted to do all of that defense You've.

Speaker 10 (15:54):
Got your financial God bless you, and I hope you
can and the decision is a good one. But I
just don't know where the nine billion's coming from. We're assured,
we think we can manage it within our fiscal settings
that we've got back tomorrow at six am the Mic
Hosking Breakfast with Mayley's Real Estate News Talk.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
ZB News Talks thereb it is twenty six past one,
and we're talking about these proposed changes to our licensed system.
One of the big changes is getting rid of the
second practical driving test to progress to a full license.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
And one of the things was saying this morning, because
it is so expensive, nearly four hundred dollars a minimum
to get your license in New Zealand, and it comes
across as inefficient, and you know, young people coming through
go this is silly that one of their very first
interactions with the government makes the government look a little
bit muppety. Yes, that in my opinion, just just talking

(16:43):
to my son and his friends, they go, oh, the
government's a bit of a muppet show.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
That's a good point. That's where it starts to go
wrong for everyone.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
And then so many pressons. I know so many people
that just stayed on their restrictive forever basically, and you know,
for productivity in the country, we do want people to
be on their full licenses so we can get things moving.
Yesn't the second driving test, but before you go for
your restricted license or the one and only driving test,
you must do exs at ours with professional driving course. Yeah.

(17:11):
I mean in terms of the expenditure of the money,
I think making you a better drive would be better
than the practical test where they're just trying to ping
you quietly for mistakes that you make. It it'd be
better if you were going around, if you're paying for
something and they gave you a really intense lesson and
you know, even took you out on the open road
yep for for a lesson rather than another test. You've

(17:32):
already shown that you can drive in the restricted driving test,
and my opinion. But Alex your thoughts on this.

Speaker 9 (17:41):
Hi, guys, I think that, like Jason said before, it
should be everybody should go through a proper channel, like
driving school, a sort which most of Europeans though, and
like in Austria, for example SR sixteen you can't drive

(18:04):
anything over a thousand ccs and that you can drive
anything over thousand and sixty once you turned eighteen. I
believe the roads aren't that bad in New Zealand. If
you go to Italy, you go to England. Eastern Europe
is worse and everything in Europe is driving between hundred
and thirty and one hundred and twenty ks an.

Speaker 11 (18:23):
Hour on the roads.

Speaker 9 (18:25):
That's you know, our roads are great here, but it's
the education that we're missing.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Have you driven on the auto Bahn at all?

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Now?

Speaker 2 (18:34):
They are You've got to say they're fantastic.

Speaker 9 (18:36):
Roats, they absolutely, and Austrian carriageways are absolutely too.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, slow down, to slow down. They have those corners
that say slow down to one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 9 (18:52):
I remember. But it does teach you though that you
have to What I want to say is that if
you go through a professional they also I home. That's
why I got taught. Then you have to look where
you're driving, and you have to you have to modulate

(19:15):
your speed for the corners coming up right, and you
don't even tells you the corner speed. And I live
in central Otago. The amount of people that run off
the road, it's absolutely insane.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Do you believe those corner speeds?

Speaker 9 (19:30):
Well, to be perfectly honest, if you have a good
car and you look after your tires and suspensions, those
corner speed are very very modern. Sixty k corner you
can do and a car that has proper tires you
can do it one hundred. Hey, you have to understand
your vehicle.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, Now, Alex, what I'm trying to say really is
that's not the difference between the terrible things that happen
on the road the ability to drive, because you can
have someone that's a really, really incredibly good driver that
can drive. To get the driver's license is very focused
on getting the drivers, like, since I can pass the
practical test, all that kind of stuff, But if their

(20:11):
attitude is wrong and they go out on the open
road and they treat it like they're in a race.
And I believe when I was growing up that was
kind of what kids did. And I'm seriously I was
an absolute dickhead on the roads when I was a
when I was a young man, I could pass the
driver's test, no worries, but the mental test was the
problem because I never didn't have in my head that

(20:32):
the absolute magnitude of the seriousness of the consequences of
what you're doing when you're out on the road.

Speaker 9 (20:40):
I am one hundred percent on your side because I
used to do. I was insect on the same boat
I do. And I've been driving a lot of caves
and my day to day work and obviously being on
the roadsoft and you can see the other drivers and
I've toned down a little bit as well. But it's
also I believe that kids these days gets really really

(21:04):
powerful cars. So you get a WRX SDI, you're talking
over three hundred great horse powers, right, And if as
a kid works on a very far for example down
here itself and believe it and at he works on
Verify for him to go and buy w r X
sick and hand that's cheap, you know, There's That's what

(21:30):
I mean. It would be great, as though would be
you have to go to a driving school and you
come buy anything with stupid amount of horsepower.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
It does make sense. I mean I think they do
that with motorcycles down Alex. You know, you suddenly increase
your license and that means that you can have a
more powerful motorcycle.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (21:51):
Absolutely, and I believe that they should be the way
forward coming to Austria. That's also it was interesting my
uncle has about three different vehicles and he pays registration
and insurance on the high CC rating.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Oh right, okay, but he has.

Speaker 9 (22:13):
Only one number plate because you can drive only one
vehicle at a time, and he moves to the number
plate of vehicle to vehicle. But you pay your insurance
and your essentially your road costs on the highest rating
that you have in your table.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Right, Thanks so much for your call, Alex.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I mean that kind of makes sense, doesn't it. I know,
we start getting into the realm of so the government
dictates what kind of car you've got.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
But I would say you can create a whole lot
of carnage on the open road and are not very
powerful car. That's a very good point. I think it's
I think it's arguable. I think it's a mental thing.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. We're talking about these proposed changes to
the driver's license system. But how do you impart to
your kids? How to say safe behind the world love
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Now back to Matt Eathan Tyner Adams.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. We're talking about these proposed
changes to the license system, but we've asked the question,
how do you impart to your children how to stay
safe behind the wheel? Love to hear from you on
Old one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
To welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (24:29):
Oh Cordua and curda koto kator cura. So can I
just say with a license, it's actually a privilege to
get a license, to hold a license.

Speaker 7 (24:46):
It's not a right.

Speaker 13 (24:47):
And I think sometimes people think, you know, they should
be given a license as long as they meet the criteria.
So I just want to say it's actually a privilege
to get a driver license. The other thing with rangata
or young people, you are saying, imagine if every high
school sixteen year old left secondary school with a learner license,

(25:13):
that would start their pathway towards getting their next license
and being becoming safe and responsible on the road. And
they could add that into the fees. I mean, that
would cut the cost back by ninety six dollars and
ten cents for a learner license, so.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
You're suggesting you're suggesting like a compulsory driving class at high.

Speaker 13 (25:34):
School absolutely, or a certificate. I think they can get
a creditation for their driver license NCEA credits. So every
sixteen year old that's in a learning environment that is
able to get their license would be a great start
in life for them for employment.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Do you agree that the biggest problem with because you
say getting a license is a privilege and sure, but
also the reason why we have our licensing is to
hopefully mitigate carnage on the roads. But do you think
the actual practical side of driving, in terms of being
able to drive a car and know the road rules

(26:19):
is the issue or do you think it's the attitude,
especially out on the open road. As I was saying before,
when I first started driving as a teenager, I thought
my job was to get to the front of the queue,
so I would wherever I was driving. I was absolute
more on shouldn't have been on the road. I'm ashamed
of it now, but I treated going between cities as
a race so I could pass the driving test. But

(26:41):
my attitude was completely wrong. So what do you think
is more important, the practical nature of driving or the attitude?

Speaker 7 (26:48):
Well, okay, and look near Hockey.

Speaker 13 (26:51):
I'm the same when I was younger and bulletproof and
all that, and then I realized full disclosure as a
qualified driving instructor, so I have an eye endorsement. Where's
a testing officer just saying earlier quarters were talking about
an instructor, but actually testing officers. So the differences obviously

(27:12):
one test and instructors teach. What I teach all my
students is to be safe, be responsible, and keep an
eye for everyone else on the road because unfortunately, you
have no control over other people's behavior. Yes, speed, following, distance,
all that stuff. You know, that's a given. We know that,
But the attitude is a huge part of it. And

(27:35):
I say to my students these these lessons aren't just
for a forty five minute restricted test or a twenty
minute full license test. These lessons are for life, and
you want to be a role model. You want to
be able to demonstrate stop means stop at a stop sign,
so indicate out.

Speaker 7 (27:52):
So attitude is important.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, so too when we look at the licensing how
did you put it? The NZTA licensing drivers or instructors when.

Speaker 7 (28:05):
We are so they're testing offices, forgive.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Me, testing officers. When you look at when you look
at the tests that they run for people to get
these full licenses, do you look at some of those
skills they teach and think maybe that is just a
bit over the top or those are not skills that
will keep them safe on the road. It might show
competence in actually operating a vehicle, but you know, parallel parking,

(28:28):
for example, or health starts, some of those things that
may you know that is time that you could be
putting towards some of the stuff you're teaching the kids.

Speaker 13 (28:39):
Well, may I say a lot of those things that
you mentioned are but kay it now, because.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
I don't believe they do. He'll start now.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Because I got my license.

Speaker 13 (28:51):
Yeah no, but pretty much your undives, automatics on three
point trens, reverse parallel parks. I understand it's in their
operating manual. Two tick boxes and that's what it's about.
And testing officers and I say this, we're all honesty
there to fail people. They are there to tick the

(29:11):
boxes to see people are ticking their mirror and mirror
blind spot, watching their speed following distance. The testing officers
are just then wanting the applicant, the driver to be
safe and responsible out on the road. Now with the
full license test, I asked, why do we do hazard
identification and you're in a twenty minute full licensed test.

(29:33):
The answer, one of the answers was, when you have
a full license, you can have anyone in your vehicle
with you, so you're going to have distractions, people, babies,
you know.

Speaker 9 (29:44):
Your mates.

Speaker 13 (29:45):
So they want to see if you can multitask by
doing has IT identification that's at the same time of
driving to the road code. And I thought, oh, yeah,
that makes sense, So that's why they they graduate the
full license with has IT identification, but some of the
other things. Yeah, they probably could revise a whole graduate

(30:07):
driver a lot license program and make it affordable by
getting high school kids at least to get their license.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well now currently now, currently it's about four hundred dollars
minimum to go through and get your license, so it
was already there's already quite a large amount of money
being spent in the system right now, even if you
don't have driving lessons.

Speaker 11 (30:30):
Oh.

Speaker 13 (30:30):
Absolutely, but then remember when Walker Cortai or sorry n
ZTA when they decided it one that fay it was
going to have a free researt and anyone just used
the practice as a listen or practice until they passed.
And then what normally took two through weeks of booking.

Speaker 7 (30:51):
It was three months.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
That was classical.

Speaker 7 (30:53):
Not debarkle.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
That was classic. Not thinking through what you're doing very
very well. That was unforeseen circumstances right there. What about
this though, too that I was thinking about and I'm
just spitballing it. But instead of instead of the practical test,
so you've done the practical test to get you restricted,
and then you've got these restrictions on, so you're driving
around for a certain period of time whatever that is.

(31:15):
And then maybe instead of a practical test, then you're
having some kind of lesson again, an intense lesson. You're
getting out on the open road with with someone like
yourself who puts you through the actual importance of things.
They're not testing you, they're not ticking a box. They're
going through what you need to be a good driver

(31:35):
and maybe put the fear of God into you about
the consequences of driving badly. And this is your last
sort of last thing before you go out and you're
on your own, and it's and it's it's more a
learning thing than a testing thing.

Speaker 13 (31:47):
Yep, yeah, yeah, Look, I mean, let's be honest with
bloody scary out there on the road as a driving instructor. Yeah,
you know, because I'm doing the speed limit and anyone's
right up my normal they ride up.

Speaker 7 (32:01):
Thirty means thirty and I'm doing thirty.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
Yes.

Speaker 13 (32:04):
Then I know people say about what if there's no
road wrecks, name machinery.

Speaker 7 (32:07):
Yeah, I get it, but it's still thirty. It's the law.
I think with a review, an.

Speaker 13 (32:13):
Assessment of a driver that's been on the road that
would make would make good sense, doesn't necessarily have to
be with an I endorsed driving instructor, but just to
get them, make sure they are keeping compliant, keeping safe,
because this sixty hour supervisor supervisory condition is great. But

(32:39):
if you're learning bad habits of your parents, and I'll
be honest, I see it with my young students, I'm like,
why are you doing that? One does that? But dad
does that, or it's like we're all we're doing is
making them in driving too. They loom from their parents,
and I'm not disrespecting PRIs. But hey, our dad was terrible,

(33:01):
but we still love them.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Call to one hundred and eighteen eighty CE number. Call
it is quarter to two.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
That'd be good afternoon, and we're talking about the proposed
changes to our license system. One of the big changes
was removing the practical driving test for a full license.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
So two or saying before, it's not a right, it's
a privilege to get your driver's license, to have your
driver's license. Hey guys, this Texas says it's actually a
right to hold a driver's license. It's like a passport.
It's your right to hold a New Zealand passport. It's
a privilege to hold onto it. If you play by
the rules, then it's not an issue. Young people are
just that and they need time to learn. I believe

(33:47):
the new rules being put in place adequate and they
do not need to undertake a further test to achieve
their full license. That's from simon now. I just don't
see what the second test does. You've already proved they
know how to drive. But getting the restricted, the restricted
shows that you need to drive, and then you have
a restricted period of however long, and then and you

(34:09):
know they can change that more restrictions, whatever, and then
you should get, in my opinion, your driver's license, because
that isn't the difference between safety on the road and
my opinion. And this that last lesson, that last practical
test actually imparted more knowledge to you rather than someone
coming around ticking.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
You know, if it actually if they actually said do
this take out and road this what we do, it
showed some implications maybe just you know, your eyes held
open by matchsticks in a and showing horrific accidents on
the road or something sounds fun. Clock or Garran situation.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Rose, How were.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
You, hi, guys?

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Happy Monday, Happy Monday. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 14 (34:50):
My thoughts are when I was in lunch, fire service
one of the and I went for my license to
drive their fire applian. You have to do a six
hour student out on the road, so three hours on
the highway in three hours, the country, up country roads,

(35:11):
all sorts of places, and you had to do a
twelve chicken scan on everything that was happening in some
of your twelve seconds. And by the time you get that.

Speaker 15 (35:23):
And you get all your.

Speaker 14 (35:27):
The twelve second rule, his steps in my head for
the rest of my life.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
So took us through what that does exactly Rose right.

Speaker 14 (35:36):
Twelve second rule is that you're looking at instead of
three seconds in front of you. Yep, you're looking you're
looking out at your twelve twelve seconds, so you know
exactly who's coming and where they've been, etcetera, etcetera. And
it is really interesting. But you've got to do in

(35:57):
your fire applnes three hours on the highway and three
hours on the country, and they put you in some
all sorts of sticky messes. But the twelve second rule,
it's a sure.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, I'm just sort of further to what you're saying there.
It is interesting that we do our driving tests essentially
around city streets when their most horrific things happen out
on the open road. So more focused on teaching people
because you know you can. You can get your license
and you've never been on the open road before. Next
thing you know you've got it and you're heading between cities,

(36:35):
suddenly driving from Denean to crisis or something. We're terrible
things can happen. It seems to me that that's where
the focus of education should really really be, and it
sounds like the twelve second role is a good thing
that everyone should It's interesting to me that I'm only
hearing this for the first time. I've never heard it either,
big on the three second rule, but it does make
sense that you're looking at you know, you're traveling at

(36:57):
these insane speeds. It's the most dangerous thing you do
in your life. Pretty much.

Speaker 8 (37:02):
Yep, yep, but I forgot.

Speaker 14 (37:07):
I was going to say, went to twelve second rule.
You're you're sc scanning everything in front of you even
get to walk across the road.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, yeah, thank you for your call.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Roads twelve second rule. There you go.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Let's get into it.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Right, Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number
to call back very shortly here on news talks there
be there is eight to two.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Matd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler Adams.
Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
They'd be news talks, they'd be Matthew will get you
in just before the news.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
Okay, We're live always, Yeah, we're live.

Speaker 16 (37:48):
Okay, back dealts want to start lot? Will the junkie
want to be given a chance? Every single person who
goes to school, there's an exit strategy. It should be
free for a license for all the kids and get
them to do it. I mean, I actually think it's
it's a good idea to have it just one test.
I mean, I'm in the middle of a children's you know,
I'm trying. Number two is about for her life once

(38:09):
the problem is here, and Nelson the guy fails them left,
right and center. So everybody leaves town and does it
over and blend them or West Coast because they're knowne
for failing the kids here. So I think it's a
good idea. I think the best idea that came out
of a suggestion by the AA that they haven't app
they must do sixty hours of driving before they go
for the test. That's me is the most logical thing

(38:30):
to do as a father. I mean, let's make testing free.
Let's make it all free. We spend so much, we
don't need to spend twelve billion on defense. Let's put
that money towards the kids.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Well, thank you so much for your call Matthew.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, yeah, that kind of makes a better of sense.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
I mean it does. Think you do actually need to
be able to drive in society pretty much in New Zealand.
Oh certainly so if people having to spend four hundred
bucks on it to get there. Yeah, I don't know.
Schools should probably be sending people out into the world
at seventeen eighteen years old with a driver's license.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Well the stat that surprised me around one million adults
in New Zealand don't have a full license, and nearly
half of those have no license at all because it
is pretty.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Cool already know how to drive it, then they have
to do another practical testy silly.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Exactly right. Great to have your company on this Monday
afternoon News, Sport and weather is on its way. You're
listening to Matt and Tyler. Very very good afternoon to.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
You, talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
It be.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
Seven past two. Just before we move on to the
next topic.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, that's right, we'll just put to bed this chat
we've had around the second practical driving tests that you
have to sit. You have to sit one when you're restricted,
and also to get your full license. Christopher Bishop is
suggesting we get rid of the second test because and look,
I think we should, but we've got a lot of
texts coming through that we thought we'd read out before

(40:11):
we move on to the next topic. Matt, You're a
hundred percent correct about bad driving being attitude. I do
it when young drivers like a man. When I was young,
I drive like a maniac in New Zealand. That's really
That's my point is you could be a very proficient
driver and you can pass your tests, as I did
when I got my driver's license. So I could do

(40:32):
all the practical stuff, tickle the boxes to pass the test.
But my mind wasn't right and so I was an
absolute dickhead on the road, which I'm ashamed of now
and put people at risk.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I treated driving between cities like a race, where everyone
in front of me was someone that I just needed
to pass as soon as I could, which was just idiotic. Now,
I shoved it in bruise control, lock myself to the
back of the car, and travel at the speed limit.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Keep it at forty nine.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, how can you get my head
into the young person's brain? You just can't.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
I guess, Well, it's just time, isn't it. I think
most young drivers, And again I'm targeting me in here
because I was sexist. Yeah, well, because I'm a man myself,
and I was similar to you when I jumped into
a car. I was a bit reclose because I was
sixteen years old.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
You're a self hating man.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
It just takes time. But it's not to say I
don't think sixteen year old should start the license process.
I think that's the right age because that's when they
start in their careers and jobs and independence.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I think the more I think about it, I reckon
that that second thing shouldn't be a practical test. It
should be a learning situation where you are drilled into
you how dangerous it is on the open road, and
you're and you're taught defensive driving. You're taught a bunch
of things so that if you're going to if we're
gonna have to pay for the second one, you've already
shown you can drive. The second one should be should

(41:49):
be a teaching thing as opposed to a test.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
And your idea about the open road license. Nobody hit
back on it, Nobody said it was a bad idea.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, I mean because all the bad things that not
all the bad things that I don't mean that, but
the worst things happen on the open road that could
possibly happen, and that's very different type of drive and
then driving around town, isn't it exactly? So maybe that's
part of your restrictions until you can prove that you're
you know, you're responsible in.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
The rope yep, great discussion. Thank you very much for
everyone who texts through and for the phone calls as well.
But let's have a chat about buskers. So buskers will
be banned from Leicester Square next week. This is in
the UK, of course, after a judge ruled they are
inflicting psychological torture on office workers in the area. So
the local council Westminster said it had been left with

(42:33):
no choice but to remove the street entertainment pictures in
the world famous tourist hot spot. So it follows global
radio so these have a bunch of radio stations as
they would, so they took the council to court over
that noise pollution from the buskers outside of the Leicester
Square officers. The station staff described being plagued by poor

(42:55):
quality musicians and said they had to wear headphones and
work from cupboards to escape the sound. So the District
Court judge said, while the volume is the principal mischief,
it is clear that the nuance has made worse by
the repetition in poor quality on some of those buskets.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I'd like to hear people's opinion on this. A W
one hundred and eighty ten eighty buskers should be a
minimum quality. You can't just grab an instrument and go
out there and blast it away, because as much as
you're not doing it's not a one for one business situation.
People can't hide from it. If you set up out
the front of a shop and just start blasting away
your terrible, terrible noise, then that that's that's encroaching on

(43:38):
so many other other people. So I think there needs
to be a be You need to be a decent
musician to be a busket.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
So how would they would this be like an X
factor situation that you need to get Simon Kell down
here and say yep, you've got the you've got the
chops to be a busker on k road.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I just think of you. I don't know what the
practic practicalities of it was, but if someone's just an
objectively terrible busker, and look, I'm looking at the guy
in Queenstown that has this dog singing along with them.
That look, that dog's not singing, mate, that dog is yelping.
It's a horrible racket. That guy needs to be moved on.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
I'm with you. I mean, the first time I saw him,
I thought, oh, this is cute, and that's exactly what
he wants. It's a tourist trap. But now every time
that dog just needs to shut up. It's a good dog. Yeah,
come on?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
So, so how do you know? Are you a busker?
One hundred and eighty ten eighty Have you busked? And
do you how do you feel as a busker if
there's a rubbish busker taking up taking up a space?
Should there be regulations on buskers? Should be there a
minimum level that a busker is before they're allowed to perform?

Speaker 3 (44:42):
How do you become a professional busker? Because I'm sure
there are professional buskers out there, and just hearing the
word professional, I think they're good.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
You don't go to busker school. I mean you're professional
if you're traveling around getting paid to.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Get a degree to become at the busker.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
But you can't be rubbish. And look before I said look,
there was a guy on kro that you should just
strummers guitar and never learned how to play his guitar
for years. Yeah, And someone came back to me and
said the busking guy and Queen Street. He was an
absolutely lovely guy, passed away a few years ago, still
without the ability to play a chord. Goes to show

(45:15):
you don't have to be great to be an entertainer.
That's from bears. See. As a guitarist, I walk past
every day and he was just strumming away. He wasn't
too loud though, to be fair, but I was like, mate,
just learn how to play your guitar. Did you mean
out that you've been out there for so long, surely
you could just learn a couple of chords, Just learn
a couple of two chord songs.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Did you ever think to sit down and say, mate,
I'm just going to show you here, so this is
cool to see. This is called to d and here's
a couple of songs you can play. Just do the
world of favor in Queen Street of Favor.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah. And also how a busker is making money in
twenty twenty five because no one's got any coins to
throw them?

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Is it is it time to Yeah? See, I'm not
sure how you work this out, but I think if
you're a rubbish busker there should be some way you
can be moved on.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Oh eight hundred and eighty. If you are a busker,
what are the rules in place now? If you want
to go set up and entertain people on the street.
I love to hear from you. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? It's thirteen
past two?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Wow, your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Afternoon, sixteen past two. So Leicester Square. In the UK
they've banned terrible buskers, and the question we're put to
you is does there need to be some sort of
quality control when it comes to buskers in New Zealands.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, there's some terrible buskers out there and there's some
really really good ones. So busking restrictions in Auckland. When
you perform you need to carry your license at all times,
carry photo identification flow with the street performance and busking
license conditions, so there's quite a lot of restriction. Street
performance and busking license conditions. Must comply with these three conditions,

(46:57):
hold a license and performing times. There's times you can't.
In there certain places that you can't, such as Britain
R Railway station that's in Auckland. I'm sure there's similar
rules across the country, but there's nothing in here that
says quality of busking. So there's nothing to say. You know,
you can get your license, but you could just be
absolutely rubbish like that guy with his dog and clean sound.

(47:18):
There's nothing that says that.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
And there's something wrong with that that if you just
turn up with any old things say and I know
some buskers do this very successfully, but it's like an
overturned bucket and start drumming away. If you were terrible
at that, then it doesn't matter. You can bust wherever
you like.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
This Texas is there's a punishing homeless man drumming on
a bucket day and day night out on the street.
It does my headden out of the front of his shop.
See that's what I'm talking about. So that guy.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
He's not.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
He's just smashing the bucket, mate, Just don't smash the bucket.
Just sit there, Mike. Your thoughts on buskers?

Speaker 5 (47:58):
Yeah, Hi, guys, you know, I think it was about
ten years ago. My uncle and auntie had just retired
and the grandfather of the Golden needed home care. So there.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Oh sorry, Mike, you're really really breaking up?

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, well, can you we just see if we can
get Mike's phone line sorted a couple of techs here,
guys in Melbourne, if I can find that. To play
in Melbourne on Burke Street, you have to submit and
get approved to play there. It means that anybody who
is a terrible musician or their actors just playing loopy

(48:40):
does not get to take part.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah this Texas says maybe radio presenters need a certain
stand as well. Oh, you'd be in trouble if that
was the case, Tyler, Mike, Let's see how your line's
going now, Yeah, Hi, can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Now?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
That is beautiful, Mike. What a great voice you've got.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
Oh, thank you. Likewise, Yeah, so, as I was saying,
perhaps ten years ago, my uncle and Naty you had
just retired, and my grandfather at the Gold Coast needed
home care, so they rented their house out in New
Zealand and went over there and looked after him. And
so my uncle had a lot of time on his
hands and decided to learn to play the saxophone and

(49:23):
he would go up I think it was surface Paradise
or somewhere, and because he had learned it just a
few notes and he'd ever got busting. So yeah, he
used to make a bit of money, you know, maybe
twenty thirty forty fifty dollars a day doing what he
was doing. But at one stage an irate restaurant owner
came charging out, swearing his head off and told him

(49:46):
to move along. So, yeah, my uncle and answered, there
very very strict Christians. And so obviously my uncle moved
along and did it somewhere else. But for him being
you know, obeying the law to the to the t
nth degree, he thought it was great that he didn't
have to pay tax and he could make a little
bit of money each day playing the sex. But however,

(50:08):
it must have been a little while after this he
must have improved, because some guy came up to him
and said, look, mate, I've got a party at the
top of a high rise building in a penthouse, and
I'll give you a couple hundred dollars if you can
just play for an hour. So a couple of days later,
off he went up to this party penthouse top of
a high rise apartment building. He was there for five

(50:30):
minutes and some busty broad walked out carrying a tray
of drinks topless, and him being a Christian, that was it.
He packed up his kit, he was gone, and he
didn't see that two hundred dollars. He was out of there.
So I don't know if it was whether or not
he was honoring my auntie, his wife, or if he
just lost his entire trainer thought he could wait aning Well,

(50:51):
but that's what happened. But you know, yeah, sometimes guys
can get a break. But he didn't make anything of
that one.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
So, Mike, just to go back to the start of
the story. Did your uncle decide to learn to play
the sacks out on the street or did he did
he learn to play the sax before he went out
on the street.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
Well, it was an apartment complex where he was looking
up to my grandfather, and yeah, he definitely had to
go a long way away when he was practicing.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
It's quite an aggressive instrument to take on to the street.
I mean, the saxophone really really cuts through. I mean,
that's why you like a sexophone. That's why people liked
saxophone sol especially in the adders, because it just cuts through.
They're very, very loud, sharp instruments. So you know, he
really pitched.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
I think it's one of the most difficult, isn't.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
It to play?

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Well?

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, well, you know, because it's always going to be
quite loud, so you know, good on them and so
but it sounds like he got some skills over time,
and you know, you know, it sounds like he moved
on when someone said this is this is punishing us,
so bless him.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Maybe we just need a better patience with some of
these buskers.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
Yeah, that's right, some of them are pretty good.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah yeah, all right, thank you so much, Mike. I mean,
I don't really know what I'm saying here because for
a change, but what could you really do? Could you?
Could you really have a minimum level so you have
to pass because you know it's art arguably, so you
could have someone come through and say that's an absolute
racket and they say no, well, I'm sort of an

(52:23):
avant gar kind of you know, yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
How are you to judge my performance idea?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah, I mean there's the types of jazz that some
people love, like John Coltrane. You put them out on
the street. Some people might not be handled out. Other
people would love it, if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
There's two parts here that some people would say if
it's a busker that is doing your head and just
don't pay the money. But the other school of thought
is that you should be paying them because as soon
as they get a certain amount, they'll they'll bugger off
for the day. So maybe they're really bad buskers. We
should be paying them more so that they move along faster.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Well, this is what Jesse says. My dad came to
visit us and we went out for breakfast. I wondered
why my dad went. He had been to the busker
and paid him to move on. There's always there's always
an amount that will get a busker to move it's
just whether you're willing to pay it.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty Should there be rules in
place for the quality of buskers in New Zealand?

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Are you being bugged by a busker? As a busker
being a problem in your life. Have you been a
busker and we'd love to hear your stories On eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Have you been a good
busker that had to deal with bad buskers around you?

Speaker 3 (53:30):
It is twenty three pars two bag re shortly here
on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
News Talks HEBN. We're talking about buskers in New Zealand.
Should there be some sort of quality control on the
state of buskers around the country. It's controversial and a
few texts have said as much. Guys, when we stayed
in a good area in Rome while the buskers, violinists, pianist,
opera singers all first class, Yes to quality control because

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of New Zealand crap.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yeah, all right, fair enough, Thank for you, cool Anya,
welcome the show. You've you've busted for two years of
your life. I believe I haven't hear you. Hi, guys,
thanks for calling.

Speaker 17 (54:20):
I listened to your show all the time and I've
never been able to answer a question, so this is
quite fun.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Oh, this is perfect then, so your experience is busking
okay for a start, Did you start off as a
competent buscer? And what was the instrument you were playing?

Speaker 17 (54:35):
Yeah, well, I think it would be fair to say
I was average. I was with another person and the
two of us. He played the guitar and I was
a singer and I also play guitar a bit. Yeah,
so I think we were average, probably, but nothing like
this some of the people you see on YouTube and

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I've seen in Europe. But you know, we never had
anybody split at us or tell us to shut up.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
Put it that way.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
So were you Were you a naturally good singer? Some
of that have been singing a lot before you decided
to take up busking.

Speaker 17 (55:09):
Yes, so most that was my main instrument. Yeah, I'd
learned for many years. I've trained as a as a singer.

Speaker 11 (55:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
And did you make good money?

Speaker 17 (55:20):
Well, we did, you know, we actually did. This was
in This was from nineteen ninety two to about ninety
well nineteen ninety to ninety two, and we paid all
our bills. That's what we did. We just we needed
a new something for the car. We'd go to King's
Cross in Sydney and busk all night and we'd get

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a new tire or whatever we needed.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Did you have to get a phone? Did you have
to get permits back then? Or did you just turn
up and play?

Speaker 11 (55:51):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (55:51):
We just played. I mean that I did nearly get
thrown jail one night because I've been playing the tambourine
too loud. This police officer said, if you don't want
to get thrown in the cells, where you just shut up? Please?

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Were there were there other? Were there other bus because
did you have busker turf war? Because if you set
up and there someone else wants to set up beside you,
does that become a bit of argie budget?

Speaker 17 (56:15):
Well, there was spaces that we had, but that's because
it was our choice. We always used to go to
this place we called the squashed Chip because when we
first chose that place, there was a squash chip on
the floor on the pavement, so we always called it
our spot was the squash Chip. But there were a

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few people around. But we also busked in all around
Australia and you know in country towns and things, and
people just loved us. They bring us cooking and you know,
ask us when we were coming back and we stayed
the night with somebody once because it was really hot

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and we didn't want to sleep in our van, and
she said she had an air conditioned room.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
What kind of tunes were you playing, Anya?

Speaker 17 (57:08):
They were basically doing country and blues, so yeah, and
some of the old favorites. You know, you can never
go past tambourine Man.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
And as the tambourine man in the song tambouring Man
was the one that got in trouble was it?

Speaker 14 (57:26):
Could it?

Speaker 11 (57:26):
Well?

Speaker 17 (57:26):
But I can't quite remember.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
But so would you recommend the buskers busker's life?

Speaker 18 (57:34):
Well, I was.

Speaker 17 (57:34):
Really young then, you know, and we were living in
our panel van and it was just a way of
life between one formal life that had been ditched by
both of us, between that and another formal life that
I ended up having. So buscer life, I don't know

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that I would choose it myself.

Speaker 8 (57:56):
Right nowtastic at the time.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
And finally, are you still playing music?

Speaker 17 (58:04):
Well, you probably can hear my voice, so I don't
play music anymore. I have a throat condition. I don't sing, unfortunately.

Speaker 14 (58:12):
But.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Sounds down the phone. But sorry, And what you're saying.

Speaker 17 (58:19):
I'm just gonna say the part of the guys with
at the time that he still plays music a lot.
So yes, it came a life.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
And what was it. I mean you said you wouldn't
want to be a busker now, which is fair enough.
But was it Easy's not quite the right word. But
did you make good money or was it quite long
hours that you had to put in to make decent money?

Speaker 17 (58:40):
We made the money that we needed at the time,
which as I said, was just paying the bills and
getting from one place to the other. We used to
have a red bag, you know, plastic bag bag that
we put all the money in and the least we
got down to it was two cents.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Good on you, Yeah, well doastic And after we'll come
back and just a few minutes after the new headlines
with a cop who's spent some time busting up buskets,
this is.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Going to be good one hundred eighty ten eighty. If
you've been a busker in the past or are currently
a busker, love to hear from you. It is bang
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Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. And we are talking about
busk is in New Zealand. Should there be some sort
of quality control in terms of their skill set?

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah, some are horrible and they make life horrible for
people working near them, and some are absolutely amazing.

Speaker 12 (01:00:57):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
But if you're incredible, a busc go on. He has
a certain sized repertoire. And so I used to work
in a store in Duneda and there was a busker
out the front and he only had about four songs.
He's pretty good those four songs, but they were on
high rotate.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
I mean that is a bit of torture.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Tom used to move buskers on.

Speaker 11 (01:01:19):
Yeah, basically what it used to happen in the sort
of eighties and seventies and eighteenes and before. They used
to congregate on the streets and on the undergrounds. And
what used to happen is that some of them were appalling,
of course, but they used to track great crowds, and

(01:01:41):
of course when you get crowds and you've got pickpockets,
so everyone used to move them on for obstruction and
stuff like that. But then what these new ones do
when they make this bloody noise is they use like
road cones and stuff like that, because they found a
loophole in the law. So what they used were beggars.

(01:02:03):
Basically they would be begging and the law goes back
to that from eighteen twenty four. But then they found
a loophole if you make some sort of noise and
a judge I think over there, turned around and the
set that, yeah, it was okay if you were making
some sort of screaky, bloody noise or whatever, and so
that's how they got round it. But then you know

(01:02:23):
when you actually see them. Some of these some of
the buskers now have been licensed by local authorities and
also by the underground have got specific spaces. Of course
on the underground, the acoustics are fantastic, yeah, and they
do sets, so they get an hour each you know,
a certain station or a certain area or whatever it is,

(01:02:44):
and they've got like a rotation and that's all cool,
but it entertains people, et cetera, et cetera, and it's
all licensed and they're pretty good musicians. But these idiots
with the road cones, they sort of sit outside in
Knoxas Street and whatever and make this noise, but they're
all begging basically, that's what it is. But then every

(01:03:05):
now and again, when they're not making the noise, they're
on their iPhone, so it showed you how much money
they're making.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
It's an interesting idea. So essentially there was a ruling
that if you were making some noise, you were a busker,
which gave you different privileges to someone that's just sitting
there with their hands out. But then I guess the
problem is defining what music is, which is something that
humanity hasn't managed to do in all our time, because
what music. What's music to someone is not music to

(01:03:32):
someone else. And someone could argue I imagine that smashing
a road code is music, Well yes.

Speaker 11 (01:03:40):
And no, I don't think so, because like if you
look at the definition of a melody as a well
ordered succession of single sounds, so that's that's certainly not
there because it just drones out some you know, like
a vuvuzela thing that is having a football metage, and
that's basically what it is, and those are the things
that should be gone. Yeah, I mean, if it gets

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some really good good musicians and a lot of like
the pop stars and whatever you know, all come from
that sort of era. Given the crack crack on the streets.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Roger Stewart. Violent fimes started as.

Speaker 11 (01:04:13):
Busket found found by Roger Rogert Roger, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
And as a Chrissy Hines film Long John Baldry.

Speaker 11 (01:04:24):
Long, but John Baldry down Rod Stewart, that was it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Chrissy Hines from the Pretenders discovered the violent themes busking
and that's how their career started. Fantastic being But but
so when you when you were when you were moving
on these buskers, what did you do, grab their instrument
and take it off them, rough them up, smash smashed
the violence and move them on?

Speaker 11 (01:04:43):
Or was none of that? Sorry the first ship bubble.
But basically, basically they got moved on. And most most
people the in days, we were pretty cool about it.
They sort of said, okay, you know whatever. But the
odd one did get locked up and they would be
done for obstruction, and the magistrates all knew about it.

(01:05:05):
So it was all like, you know, they got some
minimal fine or down a day or something like that,
and and and they went the game, you know. But
you had your regulars, and most of the regulars got
to know the guys on the on the beat and
stuff like that, and most of them are pretty reasonable guys.
And and of course actually when you you know some

(01:05:26):
of them, not all of them, but some of them
were actually good the preventers of crime because they would
they could see they would see a bloody lot going on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Yeah, when I was last, and you talk about the
acoustics in the underground, when I was last in London,
there was a cellist that was playing and obviously it
had been you know, got one of these permits for
an hour and she was incredible. Well, I was in
a hurry, and the way it was going I heard
it as it came around the corner and the way
was that you're going through the Chief station. I can't
remember which one. It was one of the major ones.

(01:05:58):
It was just incredibly beautiful and it was an example
of someone adding something to the world by their performance.
You got this incredible musician out in public as you know,
going about your day. It was really incredible. That's at
the top end of busking. At the bottom, what you're
talking about is someone just working a road go.

Speaker 11 (01:06:18):
Yeah. I mean you've got on YouTube and you look
at some pancres at the International terminal there at the station. Yeah,
and I mean they got the pianos there, and then
you've got these violinists that come from they're all school
of music and they have a crack and put a
song up. And some of them are actually brilliant, fantastic musicians,
you know. I mean, it's just so much entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:06:40):
I mean Elton John actually donated a piano I think
to do some pancras terminal and he went down and
did a session there himself.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Yeah, so there's some fantastic I mean, if you're an
amazing musician and that's the way to make money, then
then brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
But if you're rubbish and you're torturing people with your racket,
then there's this Texas is tasering that might be too
too much.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Yeah, but why can't we just get rid of the
licensee And then going back to heaving a judging panel
someone who clearly understands a little bit about music. You
go in front of the judging panel and you play
your bit and they say, yep, you're good. You can
go wherever you like. Nah, your crap. I don't want
to see you in the city again.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Go away and practice and come back.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear
from you if you are a busk yourself, and if
you're well traveled and you've seen some phenomenal buskers around
the world, love to hear from yours.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Well, what I prefer rather than phenomenal ones. I'm enjoying
these busker horror stories that are coming through on nine
two ninety two. So if you've got a horrific busker
in your life, where you work or where you walk,
oh weight one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
It is eighteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said be.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
News Talks hit be. Now we'll mention this. You were
just watching a video of yourself doing a bit of busking.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Yeah, I just said to Tylight a bit of busking, Mack.
They played Tiler video.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
I was good though. This isn't the rubbish busking that
I'm talking about. I was quality busker that brought joy
to the world everywhere I went and made good money.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Yeah, happy people around you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
They look in that video there that that I was
just showing Tyler there is a homeless person giving me
the two fingers salute right to my face.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Yeah, but he's driving while he's doing it, so he's
dancing while giving you the two fingered salute.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Well, if I'm in dancing, I mean attempting to punch me.
But that homeless person had no taste, you know. And
you can't go around judging your art by whatever homeless
person comes up and makes abuse of signals in your face. Neil,
your experiences with busking, Yes.

Speaker 15 (01:08:53):
I've just mined and mentioned the rise of technology now
and yeah you may have. You may have heard of
those hardly speakers out now. Yeah, before the elid lights
never than session on them, while they now chag them up.
And you don't need a chord. They had built it

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in microphone or guitar channels. So you're basically got big
ale on one box, turn it on, plug and switch
it on on the way you go. So can't imagine
that coming quite hand you for musking, you know, I've
got one I use, but not for musketing, and I'm
thinking that would be a great I'd be for musking

(01:09:37):
if you wanted to, if you had a singer with you,
or you saying yourself. Yeah, take yourself and with your
mind and you play and all the colored fishing lights
come with it, so you be away.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
That's pretty cool, pretty cool the technology, you know. I've
seen some buskers that are phenomenal that you know, run
the loop pedals with you know, and they set up
the whole song, they record all the bits in and
then and then bring it all together. That those skill
I go for your life with if you if you're
that kind of thing, but if you're just working a
bucket outside of shot out of here, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Oh, it was Taj Sultana, who's quite a phenomenal musician,
but she started as a busker in Melbourne, I think.
But she was a lot better than just banging a bucket.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Hi, guys, I've always set up where I want at nights,
safely smashed out a twenty minute fire breathing set packed
up and bug it off with the cash. People tend
to leave the pyromaniac alone rather than move them on
cheers Worzel. Yeah, I mean, but I mean, you know,
are you really as long as you're not sitting on fire?
I mean, there's not a lot of racket and fire breathing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
No, and it's good to watch if they know what
they're doing. Even if they don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Someone's got a good trick and then people can stand
around them in a circle enjoy it. If I was
to set up a table outside of shop on a
public street and sell knickknacks and brick a brack, would
that be legal or is a permit required? If so,
maybe buskers should do the same. Permit required must have
been a reasonable standard. Well there is. As I was
saying before, there are an Auckland any way, and I
assume it's the same. You have to hold a license.

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Anyone performing in a public place must hold a current
Auckland Council street perform a license. But the thing is,
you know how much is that police if someone sets
up just on a street making a terrible racket. And
also there's nothing in these provisions to get a license
that you have to prove that you can actually play
the instrument you're going to play, So you're quite you

(01:11:28):
can get a license and just go out and be horrific.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
I don't think that's on the sixer say is get
a Matt and Tyler. There was a busker in Henderson
back in the day with a ukulele that only had
one string, and he would repeatedly just play one court
again and again, just ding ding ding ding over and
over again. I loved him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
He was great. Yeah, because I had to go at
the guy on k Road back in the day and
he's passed away tragically, who used to just shrum the
guitar and play any courts. And I said that I
had to go at him, and a lot of people
texted back and said he was actually a fantastic human being.
And whilst you sat out there for many many years
just strumming away and didn't learn how to play the
guitar at all, he was much loved in the community. Yes,

(01:12:10):
so I think there is, you know, some leeway here
if you're just a really really really good dude like
this guy John was, then maybe you can get away.
So there wasn't too loud either.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Yeah. But you also mentioned the man in Queenstown with
his dog and very cute and the dog if you
haven't seen him, he plays a song and the dog
howls along with Queenstown. In Queenstown. Sorry, Yeah, And if
you're if you're in Queenstown. If you are a regular
resident down there, love to hear from you at oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. How do the locals
feel about dog.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Man if you're trying to alfresco dine anywhere near where
he is where he sets up down by the wolf there,
it's not a good time. I will pay money to
anyone with the did WeDo this this texture. I think
that's a risky rule for life. Just give money to
anyone with the dodo. But yeah, I mean a did
really do. It's chill. It's chill. It's very different than

(01:13:01):
smashing a bucket exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Guys. There's a person that plays a sex and Wellington
off and plays outside our office in a garden in
lambdon Key of coined the name Kenny Tree. He's not
too bad though. First from Amos, oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Yeah, we'll
come back with more of your stories really shortly. It
is ten to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons
used talks'd be news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
We're talking about busking and there's some great messages that
have come through.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Hi, guys. There was a guy and Polka Kohi that
used to put a stereo in the bush with harmonica
playing and would have a harmonica in his mouth and
Brent to pretend to be playing. It was so Chris
that move that person on. If you haven't taken the
time to learn how to play the harmonicasing tasering.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Oh God, love to try they don't they ross.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Your experience, guys, bloody good your experiences with busking?

Speaker 19 (01:14:04):
I was. I was brought up in Ponga Nui and
late eighties early nineties and got into brass banding as
a kid, and by about the age of eleven or twelve,
I was good enough to get through a couple of
hours of Christmas carols outside the two dollar shop, and
even in those days I'd make fifty or sixty bucks
an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 19 (01:14:25):
And the good thing with the brass instruments is that
that you can hear them from miles off, and so
people would have their money out by the time they
got to me and throw it into my case and
Mum would drop me off and then tell me when
she was going to pick me up, and then we'd
count the money in the car and I'd moan about
going to do it, and she was like, if I
could earn that kind of money, it'd be out there
every hour of every day playing Christmas girls.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Was that on the trumpet? Was that your brass and side?

Speaker 19 (01:14:49):
It was on a corner?

Speaker 8 (01:14:50):
Yeah, that's lovely though a trumpet?

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
And so you were decent, so you weren't torturing people,
it sounded our counts.

Speaker 19 (01:14:57):
No, No, I was. I was, you know, relatively good
by kind of eleven or twelve. And then I had
a mate whose dad owned the right price supermarket and
so we then played duets and do five or six
hour I was a day for the three weeks before Christmas,
and generally people liked it, but you'd get you'd get
some people say you bugger off you here last time
I was here, and you know, but yeah, that's my

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my story.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
I hope you never do it now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
How big was your repertoire ross? How many Christmas carols?
Did you know?

Speaker 19 (01:15:23):
They're about one hundred and five in the book. Oh well, okay,
you many many Christmas carols that you would never have
heard of. And other people wandered, I think what we
were playing, but but yeah, it was. It was a
good old repertoire.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Did you ever run into some of the buskers who
had been there for some time and did they challenge
you or maybe off you as some advice?

Speaker 19 (01:15:42):
No, no, not really. We kind of were the two
dollars shop. All you had to do was go in
and say can I busk outside? And they say, yeah,
of course, go for it. And then there were no
permits or anything like that, and we sort of never
got never had any issues that were taking your one
ounces turf. But it was it was it felt like
the old days when you kind of got away with
anything and there were Yeah, it was pretty easy money.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
You're still blessing the corner these days.

Speaker 19 (01:16:06):
Ross play Euphonium now, oh Euphonium, which is like the
mini tuber. So yeah, went on to that just when
I finished school. I live and Nelson now playing the
Nelson Brass Band, and you know, so it's a lifelong
thing and we still play Christmas carols, but I certainly
don't make sixty bucks in our doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
If you're if you're blasting out, you know, I don't know.
I come all you faithful on the euphonium. I'd flick
your five bucks. I was walking past.

Speaker 19 (01:16:34):
I had great preps. PEPs not this time are evident.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Right, we'll see you down in Nelson.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
If you ever or everyone aklaning around Christmas, set up
down stairs at New stik CB and we'll flick you
some money.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Yep, there we go, right, a couple of tecks to
wrap this up. Guys, there's a big difference between liking
types of music and appreciating it. I hate the really
off the wall jazz, but I will appreciate the telling
if they are good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
There you go. I got two stories about buskers. A
chap in our town has a guitar with only one string.
You've already read that one out. I'm a muppet shark.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Shout out to the brother Cassio tone from old Hamilton.
The guy would have his cassio keyboard on demo mode.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
That that is so good. I like that. Right, great discussion,
Thank you very much for that. Coming up after three o'clock,
we want to have a chat about essential life skills
that everyone should know. This is on the back of
Mechanics being a bit worried that a lot of us
don't know how to change a tire and don't know

(01:17:38):
how to check the oil that is coming up very shortly,
but love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is four
minutes to three. We'll see you after new Sport amwather.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Sebby Good afternoons here, welcome back into the show. Seven
pass three right, this is going to be a good hour.
If your car broke down, could you fix it? So
from tire blowouts to break fluid blunders, even seasoned drivers
are making simple mistakes that could turn dangerous. This is
according to mechanics, and they say it's a worrying sign

(01:18:41):
of how far we've drifted from the basics. So one
of the mechanics spoken to for the article. His name
is Craig Draper. He's had twenty seven years in the
business and he has seen customers coming into the workshop
with all sorts of problems, many of them easily fixable
at home. He says, from the flat tires with slow leaks,
to empty washer bottles and of even they haven't even

(01:19:03):
got the bonded up, he says, and found the washer bottle.
It's fairly accessible. You just fill it up with some
water and you're good to go. But they can't even
find it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I think this is bigger than cars. I think there
are so many people out there now that can't do
anything all practical, absolutely impractical. I think it's okay. As
I said before, my dad and his brother can do anything,
and they just can build, do fix anything. They grew

(01:19:32):
up on farms and obviously my granddad taught them everything. Yeah,
but it's amazing. Like my uncle Tim just he built
a deck out the front of the shed he built
at his house and he's eighting.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
He sounds confident. He's a term I'd trust one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
He's just knocking things together. My dad can knock anything together.
If he comes up with something, he can fix it,
do it. There's just a level of practicality that everyone
used to have, and I've got less than my dad,
and I fear my kids may have less than me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Like, for example, in the weekend, I was fixing a
banister at our house and it just struck me that
I hadn't asked my kids to come and help. I
just did it, Whereas when I was a kid, my
dad would always say, hey, Matthew, I'm doing this, come
and help get the screw driver. And he didn't need
my help because I made it much harder because I
was a useless kid. But it was about teaching me

(01:20:22):
how to use the you know, the tools, and how
to do things. And so I just think there's so
many people that are so incredibly and practical that you
can't believe how little they know. This as this mechanics saying,
if you can't change the windscreen wipe of fluid, should

(01:20:42):
you even be driving a car. If you are driving
a car, you definitely should be able to change a tire.
That is, it's insane that people would go out on
the road and not know how to change a tire.
But the thing with cars now and oil changes. For example,
people only open the bonnet when it comes to the service.
The bonnet gets open twice a year, so people have

(01:21:04):
got no idea what's going on then, And part of
that is because most of the things in cars now
are electron But what it got me thinking about is
what are the basics, the absolute minimums that you should
teach your kids. I'm not talking about just cars. Yeah,
I'm talking about across the board, because there are kids
out there that are going out into the world eighteen
nineteen twenty that wouldn't even know where the fuse box

(01:21:26):
is in the house yep, And so they wouldn't even
go down and check the fuses if something happened.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Oh it's across the board, isn't it. And I forget
about I mean, we can talk about aspects of cars,
but anything in the running of a household, for example.
There's so many little life skills that everybody should know
that just wasn't passed down.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
So, and is that our job to teach our kids
to be practical? That is that one of the things
of bringing up kids that you teach them the bare
basics of doing life, such as changing attire, such as
some just some some basic plumbing knowledge.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Yeah, well, even finding where the dipstick is for the oil,
because there I get why people would know where that
is until they take it into the mechanic. But if
you're going on a long distance journey and you don't
know how to test if you need a bit of
a top up on oil, then you're crazy because then
what if if your car seize is up? And I
just say that because someone in my household almost got

(01:22:24):
to that point where the engine almost seized up because
they had no idea where to put the oil. I
was furious when I looked in there and there was
not a drop of oil in the engine, and I thought, cheapers,
you almost stuffed this car. So oh, I didn't know
where you freaking should.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Off Muppet, Muppet. Well, as this Texas said, kids these
days can't even change a light bulb. I don't know
how they dress themselves. I mean, a lightbulb surely is
a basic. There's no one out there that can't change
a light bulb. Surely there's no child that can't change
a light bulb.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Wow, if you've got a child, child.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
No sorry, child, teenager that you're willing to send out
into the world, obviously there's a five year old that
can't change the light bulb and shouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Yeah, but if I look at these, you know, I mean,
these sort of light bulbs aren't don't exist in many households.
But I wouldn't know if too many people around here
would know how to change these halligen ones.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Yeah, well, what about this the other day. So we
had a power cut in our house and I came
back home and I was told that the oven doesn't
work anymore. And I was like, well, you just have
to on a smear oven. You have to just reset it. Yeah,
so it works again after a power that's a basic. Yeah.
People were trying people in my house, trying to call
an oven repair looking up an oven repair person, trying

(01:23:36):
to bring an electrician.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What are the basic
life skills that everybody should know? Love to hear from you.
It is twelve past three news talks there be and
we've asked you the question, what are the basic life
essential skills that everyone needs? And they probably don't have
to the same extent anymore. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

(01:23:59):
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
I mean, people are taking it right back to the
very basics. And I agree, how to do your washing?
So there is lots of kids that go in world
then don't know how to do their washing. I've got
a shameful story when I first went flatting because I'd
never cooked. I learned a lot of practical stuff around
the house and the farm, but I had three sisters,
and whatever happened, I didn't end up in the cooking rotation.

(01:24:21):
But me and my mate we went flatting when we
were eighteen and we tried to make pasta. And I
tried to roast the pasta. I don't know how to
turn it. I was like, why is it so breaking?

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
And not?

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Anyway?

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Well, also, we didn't have Google back then. Is that
you might have googled how to cook pasta, but roasting pasta,
that's up there. Andy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Do you think changing tires as a basic that you
need to teach kids in this world people need to
get before?

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
Yep, for sure.

Speaker 20 (01:24:44):
But just before I answered that one, Matt, did your
dare ever send you to the tool box to get
a left handed screwed rider?

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
I have had that played on me as a child.
I remember that one. I I fell for that one.
That's for sure.

Speaker 20 (01:24:58):
Yeah, no, yeah, definitely it's changing a tie. But I
have two issues with changing tires, Like I'm set, healthy
and strong. Yep, but the tie has been put on
a mechanic with his talk wrench, he can.

Speaker 6 (01:25:12):
Hardly get well, you can't get the blowy. That's i'ndone
if if I was a woman, on.

Speaker 20 (01:25:16):
The side of the road and had had a flat
tire and I knew how to change it. They wouldn't
be able to undo the blooming nuts on the on
the tire.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
I thought that was incredibly dangerous to do it too tight.

Speaker 20 (01:25:27):
Andy, Yeah, well, but anyway, that's what they do. But
one question I do have is that you know, in
the modern cars, which like twenty ten onwards, they don't
have stair tires.

Speaker 19 (01:25:40):
Yeah they have.

Speaker 20 (01:25:41):
They have the you know, the bluey stuff or whatever
they pump into the tire. My question is, and someone
just said to this to me the other day, if
you do use that you tire, they throw your tire away.

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
They can't use it again. You can't clear that stuff out.

Speaker 11 (01:25:58):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
I don't know the question of that. But I don't
have a speed tire on my car, and I've got
one of those little systems, and I worry about the day.
I've got a hues at Andy that I I you know,
you've reminded me. Actually I've got to go out and
buy a spear Torro and just make room for it.
Because it's a plug in hybrid. There's not much room
for it. But I don't mind I'll just give up
my boot space because if I ever get caught without
a proper tire, then bugger that.

Speaker 20 (01:26:21):
Yeah but yeah, so I wonder if anyone out there
could tell us whether those tires who use it, where
those tires are ruined.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
I'd like to know that as well. A hundred eighty
ten eighty nine two nine two. If you know, if
you've got what did you call it? A guey tire?

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
What? What the heck is it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
What's it called guey tire filler?

Speaker 6 (01:26:37):
It's a figm?

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
I think foamy tire filler. What one thing, one thing
that people the mistake people make is cranking the car
before they are loosen the bolts. Yes, before you loosen
the nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
Yeah, you got to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
You got to keep that on the ground otherwise you
don't get and then at least, no matter how small
you are, you can jump up and down on the jack,
I mean on the.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
And the tire wrench. The one challenging part of changing
a tire, I think is just figuring out where to
actually jack up the car, because I've seen people do
that wrong before that they put the jack on the
wrong pace and a mass of dent into I don't know,
the fuel tank or something that's that's something you shouldn't do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Yeah, hey, thanks for your call, Andy. We'll find that
answer out for you. I didn't get taught anything about
my parents growing up, but now I just YouTube everything.
I mean, that is that is true? There is the
absolute the explanation for everything you need to do.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
I was trying to fix it that compleaning the other
day and I was immediately like, just straight to get
the YouTube tutorial and you just follow it through and
you fix it. Yep, if you're willing to give it
a go.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
But have we even lost that skill a little bit
to research to figure out how to do something. I
just wonder some people would just instead of going to
Google and saying, why is this not working, they freak
out and just start yelling at anybody in the house.
I'd saying it's not working.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
I love the idea of someone going back in time,
and there's a thought thing where in our heads we
go if we were suddenly put back in time a thousand,
two thousand years or whatever, we'd be like, look at
this amazing things I know so much. Yeah, and you
describe a phone and they go, can you make one?

Speaker 8 (01:28:10):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
You describe electricity, and you go, how do you get it?
I don't know, And then they'd go, okay, well we'll
kill and eat you. Maria. You've got something that you
think everyone should know how to do.

Speaker 21 (01:28:26):
Yes, float.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Oh that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
It's a very good one.

Speaker 6 (01:28:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:28:33):
A lot of people don't know how to float. Just
to lie there on the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Water without moving, yeah, before you even swim. Just be
able to stay with your head above the water.

Speaker 21 (01:28:44):
I mean that's yeah, and you and your feet up, yeah,
and your feet you know. Yeah, I've taught the grandchildren.
We have competitions, you know, the can float the longest,
you know, without moving, without moving, without using up any
energy whatsoever.

Speaker 15 (01:29:02):
Just float.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Yeah. And who taught you, Marie. I take it that
was passed down from your parents.

Speaker 21 (01:29:06):
And it was my my swimming instructor who's long gone now.
But yeah, he taught me. And so when I teach
the kids how to swim, you know, my grandchildren, I
used all his methods.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
They did throw them in the deep end and let
them figure out for themselves.

Speaker 15 (01:29:29):
He actually did do that one day.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Yeah, that's a good way to learn some kids.

Speaker 21 (01:29:34):
But but yeah, but if you can float, especially you know,
like I'm here in Hawks Bay, you know, was with
the water stuff. You know, I just worry how many
kids out there, don't they they did get stuck and
say they panic. But if you just lie there with
your feed up and you can float without moving using
up any.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Energy, hugely important.

Speaker 21 (01:29:57):
And there's a lot of there's a lot of adults
that don't know how to float either.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Yeah. Well, the thing is that people that don't know
flail about in a crazy way when actually it's quite
simple to float. You don't need to flail around crazily
and deep under you can just if you out to
do it. That's a really good point, Mariah. Yeah, I was.
I was in some swimming with my son the other
day and I was just sort of, you know, treating water,
and he was treating water and it is really high

(01:30:21):
out of the water, like so almost up so his
chest was out of the water, and I was like,
it's a.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
Lot of work.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
What the hell are you doing? He was just doing
casually talking to me, and he's like egg beating and
I've never heard about that. Egg beating. There's a thing
where you move your legs around.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
And was he doggy pedaling? At the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
No, no, no hands. So you just egg beat with
your feet and you can rise up out of the
water like a bloody merman.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
That's a talon. Yeah, that's a lot of power in
the fece.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
That comes from water polo. Yeah, water, water polo Yeah,
water whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Oh yeah, water polo. That's it. Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. What is
an essential life skill? Rob says, learned how to go
to work every day?

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Yeah, that's up there, thread a needle and sew on
a button. Yes, there you go home Economics. People are
throwing out shirts because I remember one of my sons
said to me, why did my shirts keep coming? What
are these extra buttons for? That comes to the shirt?
I said, because people used to sew them on when
a button popped.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Yeah, yeah, bring back sewing. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It's twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Good afternoon. We're talking about basic essential life skills that
everyone should know. On the back of an article of
mechanics who are very worried about the lack of practical
skills in New Zealand, particularly with younger drivers.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Do they still have manual training at intermediates? Do you
still do cooking and would work in metalwork?

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
I hope. So we called it homech economics, which was
sewing and cooking we had.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
I got kicked out of anyway, let's not go into it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Put Oh no, no, come on, tell the story. You
got kicked out of? What the cooking class?

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
I thought would be funny too. I got kicked out
of all of those classes actually, but one of them
I got kicked out of for putting all the like
baking soda into the flowerdge. Immature, it was, well, I
was a mature. I was eleven, but I was an
amature eleven A leader. Have I said your name right?

Speaker 18 (01:32:21):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:32:21):
Yes, hi hi.

Speaker 22 (01:32:24):
This was a really interesting thing because there's quite a
few things that it's that basic things that our kids
don't know or should know. But the first time was
you never travel anywhere and look with in a vehicle.
Make sure your vehicle always has a spare tire. My
father in law, it wasn't my dad, but it was

(01:32:44):
my father Will always said to me and my husband,
you never travel anywhere without spare tire, because that's just crazy.

Speaker 21 (01:32:51):
I was just asking to trouble.

Speaker 22 (01:32:54):
Yeah, in regard to that goofy stuff, I do have
an EV and I do have that goofy stuff, but
I don't I don't use it. When I first bought
my EV, oldman at the time that you don't need
a spare tire, you just need the goop. I didn't know. No,

(01:33:15):
I want a tire, yeah, and I insisted on getting
a tire. And I still use the spare tire, but
I've never used the group. And I and what you're
saying mechanics saying, yeah, that stuff is terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
So did you have to did you have to pay
extra for the tire? And we did that. Was there
a space for the tire but they didn't put it
in there? Or or did you have to do they
know I didn't.

Speaker 22 (01:33:40):
I didn't pay extra. I insisted on the.

Speaker 21 (01:33:42):
Tire, right.

Speaker 8 (01:33:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
It seems to me that that's an absolute, absolute basic.
And I know that people say there's no room in
the cars and such, Yeah, but the tire should come even.
And also because my car has got like one of
those humiliating space save the tires. That just seems like
a tom Cock cop out to me.

Speaker 22 (01:34:00):
You know, I insisted and some some TVs you can.
It's a bracket you can put underneath your car. I
didn't want that. One just sits in the boot. But
it's a deep hard bot.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
So it's just it just sits loose in the boat.
Isn't it bolted in?

Speaker 22 (01:34:18):
No, it's bolted in.

Speaker 8 (01:34:19):
It's bolted in.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:34:20):
And now I've got a I've got a like a
platform thing on top of that, so yet it's safe.
The other things this lady was talking about, floating and
absolute essentral things, you have no idea. I swim and
I live pretty much over the bridge from behind our pools,
and every summer I see so many people that do

(01:34:42):
not know how to float. And I'm not being racist here,
but I've noticed a lot of Indians it cannot float.
And it's just the simplest thing on the earth, but
a lot you know, if we can teach our tool
to float, that will being absolute essential life school.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Well, thank you so much for your call a leader. Yeah,
I mean, boy, oh boy, you've got to be able
to float in a country that's completely surrounded by water,
ye a lot of coastline. Once you use the foam
and your tire, you have to throw the tire away,
and if the tire is split, not just a puncture,
it won't work anyway. It's cheaper to call a tow
truck then use that foam because you have to replace

(01:35:20):
your tire and the foam. The foam can be up
to one hundred and fifty dollars to replace. Then the
cost of the tire. For me, it costs eight hundred
and fifty nine dollars for the tire and foam, and
I only had a puncture if I called the tow truck,
two hundred and fifty dollars tire up here and seventy
dollars so much cheaper. Eight hundred and fifty nine dollars
for a.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Flat I'm telling you. If it's not like EV needed
some more bad pr but a lot of the modern
ones without a spare tire, it is crazy. It is crazy.
And I'd take a space saver over no tie any
day of the week. That goop, I just do not
trust it, how.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Long I judge anyone with a space saver. I used
to work with a guy called Jeremy Wales who does
seven sharp. He was on the show with me. He
had a space saver tire on his car for two months.
I thought, you lazy man.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Yeah, and he could afford a new tire.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
I don't know. It was nothing to do with affording it.
It was just getting around to it. Well, if you
had a space to save a tire for more than
three days, then I judge you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
I'm pretty sure that if you get caught with a
space over on and you're not heading to the tire shop,
they can sting you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
You can't go over eighty k.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Okay, Well that's punishing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Where would they know when you when you when you
when you got a flaty?

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
Well, I suppose I pulled you over.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
I just got one. I just got a flet So.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
You said that to me last week after eighty ten?
Eighty is the number to call. What is basic life
skills that everybody should know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Spear tire must be secured to pass the Warrener Fitness
That's interesting. So you can drive around with all kinds
of crap just floating around your boat like I have
all kinds of sports gear, but a spear tire has
to be secured. They lock they should remove that from
the warring finness.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
That's stupid, that is weird. It is bang. On half
past three, US Talk said the headlines.

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Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. We're talking about essential life
skills that everyone should know. What's back on the back
of an article from mechanics who have been in the
business for some time and they are very concerned about
the lack of general knowledge when it comes to basic skills.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
So we're putting together a list of the absolute basics
that you should teach your kids and or you should
teach yourself if you're an adult out there in the world.
Changing a tire seems to be one that we all
agree on. Floating it make seems one. Yeah, I want
to put CPR on the list there. You should be
out and about CPR. You should know that when all

(01:39:05):
the lights go out, when something goes out, to go
and check the fuse bot.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
Hughesbox is a biggie a fuse box.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
I think a lot of people don't know that you
definitely should be able to change a light bulb. Oh yeah, definitely, definitely.
Humans are becoming so useless. It's an ideocracy, that's what's
happening here. Because I was just about to say people
should be able to change a light bulb. But of
course they should be able to change the light bulb.
But someone said that a lot of workplaces don't let
you change a light bulb. I think if you work
in a workplace that doesn't let you change a light bulb,

(01:39:31):
you should question. You should definitely question, you know, the
quality of management.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
So genetics are getting weaker. So your granddad was incredibly practical.
Your dad was pretty good genetics. You were useless.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
It's not genetics, it's it's it's the mind. It's you've
not been taught. It's what's the priority is falling off.
I mean, I'm so useless compared to my dad, and
I just fear my kids are going to be useless
compared to me for the practical stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Did you sort it out? The banister in the inn,
by the way, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Put up the banister in my house. But this is
what got me thinking about it, because I was like,
why didn't I demand my kids come and help me
with it, because then they could they could have learned,
but I couldn't be bothered because I just wanted to
do quickly. Tyler is correct, that is dangerous to over
titan wheal nuts.

Speaker 8 (01:40:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
The fact that he knew something as practical as this
is proof that even a blind squirrel will find the
odd acorn now and then that's Henry.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
Well said, thank you too, premature what you did.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
But Henry, I agree. I often say about Tyler, like
even a stop clock is right twice a day, But
to be fair, I think you're not quite up there
with the stop clock. When it comes to our show.
You're probably right once a week.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
And I mean, how long does a blind squirrel last.
Let's be honest here, I don't think they make it
adulthood today.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Jack, your thoughts on practicality.

Speaker 14 (01:40:41):
Good.

Speaker 18 (01:40:42):
Let's hey, I've got two things to talk about. One,
i'll give you the a great practical thing that's going
to say thousands for the anctions out there. And second,
I've got a theory on why a lot of this
is kind of dropping off.

Speaker 6 (01:40:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:40:55):
Good.

Speaker 18 (01:40:57):
So the first one is kidsit furniture flap back. Yes,
you know, say well, I'll say, say, say thousands over
a lifetime. We we just bought some for my girl's
bed during some new draws and stuff like that. But
I got them out there and they helped me assemble
and held us and everything like that. It's just it's

(01:41:20):
just stuff that it is quite technical, but you know
you've got to do it actually once or twice and
you get the hang of it. But by god, you
know a lot of people wouldn't they how to do that?
Save your thousands?

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Yeah, I mean there is I absolutely agreed Jack, and
I love putting together a flat pack. I take a challenge,
but I am amazed sometimes at the poor quality of
instructions on some flat packs. Yeah, you just think that
you're selling this flat pack? Come on, draw a decent
picture here, you've got you've got this. You're missing the basics,

(01:41:53):
you know, like a tire one. Everyone talks about how
are they they put really really good instructions together.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
When it's one page for a full on barbecue. Yeah,
I think, come on, guys, you can do a bit
better than that. But yeah, your.

Speaker 18 (01:42:04):
Point like that, one hundred percent agree with that as well.

Speaker 7 (01:42:07):
You paid for what you get as well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
Yeah, if you a real rubber slap pack, you actually
tend to get rubbish instructions.

Speaker 18 (01:42:13):
That's a really good point, yeah, exactly, and holds it
and match up everything like that. But the reason I
think this is dropping off is that, like you know,
this kind of started with motor vehicles and motorivehicle maintenance
and everything like that. And absolutely, but I mean, if
you don't know where the window washing fluid is, oh
my god, handy keysan that's here, and you know your

(01:42:35):
your father or mother should go and handle their parent
card as well. That is just yeah. But you know,
I mean I'm what fifty one something like that. You know,
cards were okay when I was a kid, but you
know before that they broke down all the time. Reliability
of vehicles has got so much better. They don't feed

(01:42:56):
in oil, they don't drop oil. You don't need I mean,
I remember going and you know, doing all that kind
of stuff with my old Horry cards from the nineteen
eighties and stuff like that, but modern car not so much.
And you know a lot of the stuff that needs
done is quite technical and everything like that. I can
see why it's a dying ut I really really can. Yeah,

(01:43:18):
but you know there's some on the on the flip
side though, you know, you know, you go and you
look at you know, twohuters and electronics and things like that,
things that would mystify our parents and grandparents. You know,
there's a skill sy and some of the answers that
it's probably a little bit more robust than our So

(01:43:38):
I think it's it's kind of changing time and changing needs.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
Really yeah point yeah, so one pointed.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
I thought, I can't remember who it was, but they're
pointing out that most people can do things if they
just stop, slow down, stare at it and think about
it for a bit. One of the main reasons why
people can't do things like say, the other day, I
had to fix the door handle into one of my
kids rooms, and I just went in and started doing it,
going this is too hard, and I was thinking about
getting someone to do it, and then I remember this

(01:44:07):
thing I or I wish I could find the philosopher
that was talking about. But it's just if you just
slow down and steer at something and use the brain
power that you would use on a lot of other
things in your life, then you can actually work through it.
But we just got into the set. You know, if
you buy a new Apple laptop or an iPhone, we
now have gone to this thing where they work immediately.

(01:44:28):
Otherwise we get annoyed. So they're designed to be operational
without having an instruction of manual.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
It's the slow thinking that we used to be very
good at. Today's world, we're all about that fasting, which
leads us on the truck.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
So you might have someone that you know, as you
say Jack a flat pack, they probably just go, I
can't do it. I can't do it. But if they
just slow down and actually think about it and lay
everything out and not stress out, and actually back themselves
that they can put it together, then I think most
people would be able to put it together. Although I
was running into a Boulder friend of mine and he
was and I said, what are you working on today?

(01:45:01):
And he goes, oh, I'm going around because a friend's
bought five flat packs for a new house and they
can't put them together. And I was thinking, that's shameful.
I was thinking, I know that guy, and he's smarter
than that. I bit he could if he just slowed
down actually thought about it. Yeah, thanks to you called
Jack and appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Just on there. On Jeck's point about the older cars,
I mean for me, and I'm certainly not incredibly skillful
when it comes to a car, but he's quite right
that the old Lemons I used to have that broke
down all the time and gave me so much grief.
It was out of necessity that I had to figure
out because you're broke wrong yep, and you needed to
figure money and I needed to go.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
Yeah, young young drivers don't need to do that because
the cars are too good.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
This is a good text through here. How to use
a fire extinguisher. Absolutely, you should teach your kids how
to use a fire extinguisher so I can CPR. And
how to use a fire extinguisher are a basic.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
I've never used one. I'm pretty sure you just pulled
the trigger, don't you Can we find one around.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Here, but which one to use and which one not
to use? You know, and you know, just basic fire
stuff like not firing a bunch of water at an
oil fire.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Yeah, yep, yep. Good caol. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It is eighteen to
two four.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Have a chat with the lads on Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:46:19):
They'd be very.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
Good afternoon too. We're talking about basic life skills on
the back of a great article that was in The
Hero not too long ago. Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
You're talking about a very basic one here, Peter, of
a life school that everyone needs.

Speaker 18 (01:46:35):
Yeah, there's probably two. One actually two. Making your bed
every day. No matter how many tasks you can't do
during the day, you've already always completed one.

Speaker 4 (01:46:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
They do studies on people that make their bed every
day and how much more they succeed in life. If
you get up and make your bed, it just sets
things right for the day. And yeah, you put a win.
You put a win there. You've done something for yourself
and for the future. That's that's a good one, Peter.

Speaker 18 (01:47:03):
And the second one, which I think is rarely strong,
as how to cook using the hot water, I e. Noodles,
camping food, actually start a fire. I think being able
to cook with basic hot water it's there for everyone.
It's not just an adult thing thing.

Speaker 7 (01:47:24):
It's important.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
You can extend it out, Peter to cooking in general, right,
just general, A couple of meals up your sleeve, that
you can bring to the.

Speaker 18 (01:47:34):
One hundred percent you to be able to survive on
the basic basics. If you get lost in the bush
and you've got no something able to start a fire
and boiler boiler joke, sorry boiler billy, chuck your baked
beans in there or whatever, you have to actually keep
yourself alive. It is one of the best skills they

(01:47:54):
ever had.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Do you do you think you should some kind of
trapping skills, trapping kill, something to eat.

Speaker 18 (01:48:05):
There's a are it's going to be a small percentage
of people that will do that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
You bring, you bring home a poor kickl you release
it in the house and you say to your kids
that better be dead for dinner or else you get
no dinner.

Speaker 18 (01:48:23):
What what did you all of us guys catch when
we were a little in creeks less.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
Crawley, Yeah, Crawley, Yeah, yeah, I don't think I caught
a few lobsters, Yeah, A couple of power yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:48:42):
Double yeah. That's where footage in government handy A.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Quarter a bit of that.

Speaker 11 (01:48:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
I think thanks for you for you call Peter, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
I mean, the good thing about power is that they
don't run away rather than you know, I always thoughts
I'd love to get into hunting, but I know deep
down I'm never going to be a hunter. It's never
gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Yeah, no, I can't see that. I reckon it would
be Wait.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
We need to exist and I love I love hiking
and trampine and we're just.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Just thinking people that would least like to be caught
in the in the you know, out in the bush
with least practical people anyway, no offense.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
That's why you carry a PLB helicopter ride out of
the lads.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Nothing that YouTube and GPT can't sort out. Cheers Peter.
Yeah really yeah, can you know if you're if you're
stuck in the in the in the bush, what about
if you can't get your YouTube? You know and good
and you're hungry.

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
But if you can get YouTube out there, then at
that point just called the police.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
How to kill Look it up on YouTube, Roger, Hi, guys.

Speaker 20 (01:49:56):
Now, it's a current all over the world and various
cars and company cars.

Speaker 6 (01:50:02):
And I thought, as a retired I thought, I shatments
of anice European car, uh a golf I love, and
I had a picture three months ago and I look
with company cars traveling I've changed so many tires, no
problem at all. So I had this puncture. Oh Jack,

(01:50:23):
what's happening? What's happening? Cannon schools. So the trap for
anyone possibly buying a European car, it's a reverse thread.
I was up rather than yes, right, I mean it's something.
I mean I had to call the AA and they
told me to reverse thread. Well it's not common knowledge.
But so there's a trap.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Yes, and also on on on guess canisters as well?
It goes the other way.

Speaker 6 (01:50:49):
Well, I guess you're right. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
There's many a person that's come a cropper with with
the LPG canister on a barbecue because it goes the
other way.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
Yeah, because what was the lifting lucy righty tidy? But
you can throw that out the one because the Europeans
have got different ideas.

Speaker 6 (01:51:05):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Yeah, defund the EU if they're not going to do
lefty lucy tidy righty and.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
The program the tariffs cut them off.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
Yeah, yeah, thousand percent tariffs on Europe until they go
lefty lucy tidy riding.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is eleven to four. Take a few more phone calls.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
Next, the big stories, the big issues, the big trends,
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 4 (01:51:36):
Used talks eNB News Talk z mb is eight.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
To four As Texas says, did you know that for
the first time humans are going backwards with their IQ
since the invention of the internet. Regards Stephen, I can
believe that. I think if you spend any kind of
time on TikTok, then you're you will go backwards intelligence.
That's it. You basically are raising your mind or reels. Yeah,
just doom scrolling is not good for people's attention span,

(01:52:00):
and attention span is important for solving problems and a
lot of being practical as solving problems.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
Yeah, nicely, said John. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
Very good?

Speaker 23 (01:52:11):
Indeed, thanks guys, very good. Indeed, I'd like to share
with you a week story is to how I was
trained in the nineteen to late nineteen seventies. So I
went over to London and I trained as a what
they call a tour director for a company called Kenticki Travel,
which did camping tours throughout Europe and also behind the
Iron Curtain, and one of The interesting things was while

(01:52:34):
we were being trained was we asked the guy who
was training us, what happens if this happens? What happens
if this happens? And he turned it back to us and.

Speaker 7 (01:52:43):
He said, well, look who do you turn to?

Speaker 23 (01:52:46):
And what we realized was no matter what arose, we
didn't have cell phones or anything like that. That was
just myself and the Aussie mate who was the driver,
and made us feelize two things. One we were alone,
but two we had the ability to sort out any
problem that we came across. And I am still very

(01:53:10):
good mates with my Aussie guy, and now he was
a fitter and turner and he was my driver, so
he had a set period of skills and I was
okay with the passengers and looked after them into directions
and that type of thing. But the other thing that
I realized looking back is we never had English or
American guys as drivers or two directors really because they

(01:53:33):
didn't have the resilience that ANZACs had.

Speaker 19 (01:53:36):
Yeah, do that makes sense?

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
Yeah to an American listening, it probably doesn't. But I
get where you're coming from, is what out of necessity
you think that's ingrained in our psyche as a New
Zealander or someone from the UK.

Speaker 6 (01:53:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:53:48):
Look, I think that Kiwis are genetically engineered risk takers.
Now that means we can see a problem and we
can back ourselves to solving it, and I think that's
so important going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
Yeah, well, hopefully that continues. Yeah, because it seems that people,
you know, this is what started off this discussion. As
I believe I am way less practical than my dad,
and I believe my kids and this is my fault,
slightly less practical than me, although I'm working on that,
but you know, and what we're really doing is putting

(01:54:21):
together a list today of things that we think are
absolute basics that everyone should know. So ideally, as a parent,
you teach these, but if you're an adult walking around
and you don't know them, you can of course teach yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
And I hope that one day you teach your children.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Teach boys slash men how to take a pee in public,
lou without doing an impression of a sprinkler. Yeah, I
mean that is a basic.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
Absolutely, that's great. I don't even think you need to
teach that one.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
Well, I don't know. I think some of that is
a statement I think. I think some people know how
to do it, but they're they're making a statement with it. Okay,
here we go. Here's the list of things that we think,
definitively from all your text and phone calls, that you
should know as an adult. How to do CPR, yes,
how to change a tire definitely. How to change the

(01:55:06):
light bulb. If you can't do that, you're a muppet
with a fuse boxes and how they work. How to
use a power drill, basic fire fighting skills that's big.
How to float ideally, how to swim yeah, basic cooking
a few dishes, what to do on a quake, how
to start a fire? Yes? And how to put together
a flat pack?

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Yeah? Good list?

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Yeah, good list?

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Did we go? How did you do on that list?

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
I can do all those okay with a plum. With
a plum, right, I can't speak very well, but a
plum Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
I'll have looked through that list. There's a couple I
can't do, but by tomorrow I will score myself up.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
All right. It's been a fantastic show. Thank you so
much for listening to The Mat and Tyler Afternoons podcast
will be out in about half an hour. If you
missed anything. We'll be back tomorrow Arvo for another Matt
and Tyler afternoons. Yep, we guess what My good buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
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Speaker 1 (01:55:57):
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