Full Show Podcast: 14 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello you great, you said, Welcome to Matta Tyler Full
Show Podcast number one eighty three. Fantastic show today. Boy
oh boy, was that a good show? And hey, look
I share h I share it early on to I
share the threat of violence I got yesterday first for
saying that I thought that people didn't love kids enough anymore.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hell of an email. Yeah, hell of a response. Listen
out for that.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah I met.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Also shares a story about a a port Individulina's kids
turning up to his house.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I forgot about that. We talked about that subject for
about a whole forty five minutes until I realized I'd
been a victim of the very thing we were talking about.
I totally forgot. It's great yarn.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, yeah, all right, show download, subscribe, give us a review,
and all right, all right, love you.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
But the big stories, the big issues, the big trends,
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
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Speaker 3 (01:13):
Good afternoon to you. Hope you're having a great Thursday afternoon.
It is seven, pass one, get a met get a tyler,
get everyone. Thank you so much for tuning into our show.
I'm looking forward.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
To three hours of exciting, stimulating talkback on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty and nine two nine two is the
text number. I got a message yesterday after I was
talking about my concerns that people are in society are
becoming intolerant of children. Yeah, and I was using an
example of how rude that tennis player was.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
What was her name, Emmo Radikanu was about.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
A kid making noise in the in the stadium, and
people made some good points that tennis is a place
that you probably shouldn't take kids to, all this kind
of stuff. It was a great bust chat.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
God.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
The good news also is how passionate people get about
our radio show. Listen to this message. I got what
an iffing you read Your tennis comments today could have
been a million dollar shot. Nothing that you will ever
know about. What ifing tosso comparing it to kids in
a coffee shop or kids on a plane. Everyone in

(02:23):
New Zealand thinks you're a loser. I hope we meet
one day so I can punch your ifing lights out.
You iffing moron. Oh that's sweet, isn't it. How passionate
about a chat about about kids and tennis and kids
and coffee shops and kids on plates? What is the mindset?
And someone that listens to that hour.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
You said, you know what, I'm gonna write a really
angry email to it.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
It would be so funny if if that person did
see me and punched my iffing lights out over that issue.
You know, you know, the police turn up and I'm
unconscious on the ground. I mean, this guy would be
unconscious on the ground, let's be honest. But if it
turned out that I was unconscious on the ground, they go,

(03:08):
what did you hit him? Well, he said that people
should be more tolerant of kids crying on planes. So
I had to track him down and lights out. Thank
you for that, mate. I mean, let's hope people are
as passionate about our chats today, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yep, I'm sure they will be. After three o'clock, let's
have a chat about book clubs. Clubs rather a lovely
story and the hero today about a book club that
has lasted twenty years and the woman who wrote it,
the author. She says it's given her so much in life.
The humble old book.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Club got to be careful because they hear book club
people are violent as well. Look, they seem great to me,
but I've got a few questions. I'm mean, allowed in
book clubs or is it a get together and have
some wines with the girls kind of situation? How do
they work? And are they just an excuse to smash wine.
If so, that's great, I'm all for it. But but yeah,

(04:03):
book clubs, I like the idea of it, yep, but
I've never been invited to one.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
But I'm looking forward to people that are a part
of book clubs ringing us after three o'clock After two o'clock.
Booking dot Com has been accused of failing to respond
to complaints about fraudulent listings in a timely manner. So
more and more kiwis are coming forward saying I've been
scammed by fake listings or not just booking dot Com.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
There's a whole rafter them.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
But the latest one that took in quite a few
people was a listing and Wanaka looked like a fantastic place.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
The problem is it just didn't exist. Yeah. Look, I've
been on the record before saying I think these third
party booking things are evil and you should go directly
to the source. See it on booking dot com. Go
to the source ring, the hotel ring, the motel ring,
the accommodation, but also to find out that people are
booking places that don't exist. So let's talk about your
booking nightmares. Is going third party dirty and risky?

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yep, that is after two o'clock. But right now, let's
have a chat about teachers salary. So, as we know,
the PPTA, the Secondary School Teachers Union, has rejected the
latest offer from the government. So that offer was three
percent increase over three years on top of an annual
pay progression of between four point five percent and seven
point five percent. So it's looking highly likely they will

(05:13):
go on strike next Wednesday. But this morning, Police are
Public rather Service Minister Judith Collins told Mike Hosking that
teachers can earn.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
A very very good salary.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
Well, when you've taken into account twelve weeks, that's three
months paid leave every year, plus all the professional development,
plus everything else that goes with it, all the allowances.
If you've got ten years experience with the normal allowances
that most would be getting, that's one hundred and forty
seven thousand a year, and you add in that the

(05:44):
fact that there's three months paid leave. Now who else
gets that?

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Politicians anyway, Yeah, they get paid pretty well. So when
I heard this, I thought, because my son and I
was talking to you about this before, Tyler Burn, but
my son was looking at becoming a teacher. Yep, he
said that's what he wanted to become. And I thought,
you know, I'm going to support you, and what if
you want to want to be in life, you go

(06:10):
for it. But in the back of my mind, I
was thinking, teachers are poorly paid and underappreciated. That's what
we hear. I've got a lot of appreciation for teachers
because my mum was a teacher, But teachers in my
experience are you know, and what I read in the
media are poorly, unpaid and unappreciated. Then I hear this
one hundred and forty seven grand after ten years if
you take on some mixed responsibilities, three months holiday, And
I was like, son, get in there, get to teachers college.

(06:34):
Yeah right now, let's go. So is Judith right here?
Because one hundred and forty seven thousand dollars a year
and three months holiday is phenomenal pay, especially if you're
in a relationship with someone that's also a teacher, and
that can happen in the teacher's lounge. You eye someone
over the instant coffee, the next thing you know, you're
in a relationship. That's one hundred and forty seven thousand

(06:54):
times too. Yes, three months holiday walking the route, band
track or whatever teachers do.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's right close to three hundred thousand dollars coming into
a household. That is good at by anyone's standards.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
But is it true? But is it true? And how
do you because I've never heard any thing like that before.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, no doubt about it when it comes
to the three months off teachers listening. You know that
is true, but the insinuation from the minister is that
that's effectively a holiday for you. So we're keen to
chat with you about that as well. Genuinely, how much
are you working in those three months that you do
get to take off?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh is a judgmental tone from Tyler. I don't think
it was judgment to a question mark on it. I'll
do an impersonation of you, Tyler, how much are you
actually working in three months off?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
I've seen Facebook posts from teachers having a nice.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Holiday, but is it true? I wait, one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Well, if you
get to put up with all the dramas that you
have in a classroom, then maybe you need three months
aliday off. But yeah, let's let's let's talk about it.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine, two nine,
two thirteen past one, back in a mow.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
It B News, Talks it B. It is sixteen past one.
So Judith mentioned to Mike Hoskin this morning that a
teacher after ten years can earn one hundred and forty
seven thousand dollars including allowances. The question we've asked is
is she right? If you're in the game, if you're
a teacher, we'd love to hear from you. I will
say that was backed up by the Public Service Commissioner
Sir Brian Roach as well. He said, I quote, the

(08:25):
average secondary school teacher income was currently one hundred thousand,
but a teacher with ten years experience can earn up
to one hundred and forty seven thousand including allowances.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
So it's not guaranteed, so you have to become a
head of department or some such.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, so if we have a look at and I'm
just having to look at the latest collective bargaining agreements
and obviously they're challenging that now. But some of those
allowances include units, which is paid for doing work outside
of the classroom, if you look after sports teams, et cetera,
middle management allowances, senior management allowances, and there are a
couple of other careers advisor allowance, associate teacher allow staffing

(09:00):
incentive allowances, So there's a whole lot of allowances you
can tap into.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
See, I may be just a doting parent, but I'd
back my son to go into teach and become a
head of department. I'll back him to cut through and
climb up the educational letder.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Definitely, And if you choose to work during the school holiday,
surely there'ld be an avenue there to earn a bit
of extra on the side that if you said, hey, look,
I don't actually want to go on holiday is their work.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
I can do well. You just kept setting up your
lessons and doing them to no one. It sounds like
a bit of a weapons situation. Sandy, we welcome to
the show. Hi there, how are you? Thanks for calling.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
I'm good, Thank you. I just wanted to talk about
this so called three months holiday. And they might be
teachers out there that do take mokey and do have
their three months.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Great.

Speaker 7 (09:51):
I've worked for two principles and both explained it. Like
they said, as a teacher, we work in our evenings.
I worked at one school where most weeks there was
an evening thing at school that we had to be at.
We're often planning, marking, making resources in the evenings, and

(10:13):
also sports teams on Saturdays. And they so you're you're
owed back some of that time in your so called
three months break. I don't think primary school teachers quite
yet the three.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Do you think that teachers work more in the evenings
than your average person on that that kind of Sealary?

Speaker 7 (10:34):
Oh, absolutely, and they certainly do. In my family, Like
I'm the only one because I'm the only teacher who
works in the evenings, because.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I'm just thinking of it, I'm just thinking about myself. Yeah, sorry,
I'm just thinking about my dad, who wasn't a teacher
and me and I've never not you know, I've always
had to work in the in the evenings, and I've
never been a teacher. So I think that's something across
the board that very few people that are getting a
decent wage get to finish up at five point thirty
when they leave the office.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
I guess you would have to look at what is
that decent wage because I would just you know, when
what were those figures that you were floating around, like
one hundred and forty seven thousands.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Well we were we were so sorry, Sandy, we went
floating them around. We were just quoting Judith Collins.

Speaker 7 (11:24):
Yeah, and so you would have to be layer layering
allowance upon allowance upon allowance to get that figure, which
which what.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Do you specifically mean?

Speaker 8 (11:33):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Sorry? Yeah, sorry, sorry, Sandy, I talked over you again.
I didn't mean to. But what do you what are allowances?
Just just so people understand that they haven't been part
of the sector.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Well, I'm in the primary sector, so that's that's different
to what you're talking about. Teachers are given what they're
called in the primary sector units and the units for
extra responsibilities, and you can get a half unit or
you can get a whole unit. A unit is about
four thousand, five hundred dollars, right, And that is to

(12:03):
recognize the extra workload over and above your your day
today work as a teacher.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Like coaching a sports team or something.

Speaker 7 (12:13):
No, not normally normally it is something like your head
of literacy, so you're right responsible for driving the literacy
program within a school, or your head of mathematics. Course,
it's not it's not. I've not worked in the school
where it's given out for someone who's taking a sports team.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
I did mention that because I do know a teacher
that that got a unit for, and to be fair,
it was probably because he was that he took on
a role in the sports department, which is slightly different
from coaching a specific team. But he was there as
a head in the sports department seeing those things up.

Speaker 7 (12:51):
So there you go. It's someone who's leading a curriculum
area within a school is generally for a significant responsibility load.
And the other thing is to bear in mind the
teacher's salary is very dependent upon their qualifications. So you know,

(13:15):
if a teacher's got a master's or above a master's,
then yes, their salary is pumped up. So I think,
you know, you see, there'd be very few teachers around,
I'm sure who are earning one hundred and forty seven
thousand even as secondary school teachers.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Or you're a primary school teacher, right, So as that
understood that secondary school teachers earn more than primary school teachers, yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:44):
And I would go therefore, I would go back to
you know, your question about people who are earning a
lot of money who are working in the evenings. Not
all teachers are earning money at that at that level,
but they're still working in the evenings and still working
at the holidays. I always work through my holidays. And

(14:06):
the other thing was that we were called back for
p D days throughout the year. So it actually sounds
better than it is.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
What do you say, Sandy to this TEXTA that's to
come through. I work in civil construction. We work seven
am to six pm and Saturday's most Saturdays, school ends
three fifteen pm. They have two hours every day to
do marketing et cetera, and seven am to nine am
if they needed, and still less hours than I do.
In construction. That's from l.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
Yeah, I mean, you know, can maybe compare the pay
I don't know, but yeah, again, you know, teachers are
still you know, still working in their evenings. You know
the other night I was still on my laptop at
nine point thirty at night. It's not unusual.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah. What's it like as a job though, just outside
of all this and another issue because you know, there's
various people in my life. My mum was a teacher,
but there's you know, what what's it like as a
job in twenty five twenty twenty five? Being teaching?

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Is it rewarding?

Speaker 7 (15:13):
I think you know, you've got to be in it
because you're wanting to make a difference. And you know,
and I think for most teachers that is what keeps us.
You know, it's it's what you're able to give to
a child or to a family.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
There must be an emotional toll when you say the
family and the child. There must be an emotional toll
if you see people kids struggling and such.

Speaker 7 (15:41):
Oh absolutely, And I think now you know, we're epidemic
levels of kids with ADHD, autism, dy flexia, you know,
the whole shebang. And you know, teachers have got so
much to contend with in their classrooms because nowadays we're

(16:02):
looking at sometimes a third of a class can have
students who have got those challenges. Yeah, and that's very,
very challenging for the classroom teacher to try and meet
all of those needs.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Right, Yeah, better, Thank you so much for your call,
Sandy good Insight.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
What do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
if you are a teacher, how do you feel about
Judith Collins and the head of the Public Service saying
you can in one hundred and forty seven thousand dollars?
How many extra hours do you put in a ninety
you like Sandy's still working at nine point thirty. Really
keen to hear from you. It is twenty four past one.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
This Texas says teachers should work eight hours, not leave
school at three pm. What do you say to that?

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Teachers putting the time questions to the newspeakers the Mike asking.

Speaker 9 (16:51):
Breakfast from just Cinder doing Chris Sipkins, Grant robertson Nation Verel.
No one is willing to show up publicly for the
COVID inquiry. Chrishipkins is with us? Do you realize how
shocking this looks. You're not turning up in public.

Speaker 10 (17:01):
Well, I mean the Royal Commission themselves have said that
they're not holding any through the public hearing.

Speaker 11 (17:06):
They ran out of questions after about it.

Speaker 9 (17:08):
At the time, but they may be inconfident. I don't
know because I've not seen it, and I've not seen
you either. That's the whole point of this. People would
like you to be seen, to be held to some
level of account.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Is there something wrong with it?

Speaker 12 (17:18):
Well, Mike, you've got the highest racing breakfast show in
New Zealand, and here I am answering your questions.

Speaker 13 (17:23):
If you've got Christians about the COVID response.

Speaker 9 (17:24):
Fire away back tomorrow at six am the Mike Husking
Breakfast with Mayley's Real.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Estate News talk zby Chris Hopkins needs to blow his
nose any better? Went to flu going on with that.
It's quite squeaky sometimes. My wife's been teaching twelve years
one hundred and I k only a head of department
would get that. Yeah, I mean Jiith Collins is saying
that it is people that reach management positions, right, Yeah, Hi,
Matt and Tyler. I'm a math teacher of twenty five years,

(17:51):
the absolute top of pay scale for an ordinary teacher,
not a manager like a head of department as one
hundred and three k. I earn more as an HOD
and a director of a sport, I still earn nowhere
near one hundred and forty k. My sport uses up
much of my holidays thirty five days, and on top
of that we actually work through a lot of the holidays.
Kind regards Matt, but this text says, hey, teachers need

(18:16):
to fill in time sheets like the rest of the workforce.
Get real teachers, all rightn't shots fired?

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
numbered call Peter, welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Good after you Mat today, Tyler? How are you?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
We're very good? How are you?

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Oh? Not too bad? Look, I heard this.

Speaker 14 (18:33):
Come out on the radio and thought I'd give you
give you a call, and I look, I'd back exactly
what Sandy's been saying and that text from Matt. But
my wife is the teacher, and she's at the top
of the scale like Matt. She has quite done twenty
five years. But to get to one hundred and forty
seven you'd have to have multiple management units. So you're

(18:54):
effectively doing no teaching. You're probably an assistant principle. So
it sounds like Judith Collins is doing a really good
job at saying discord and getting the rest of New
Zealand to resent teachers for the job that they've been
doing for the last hundred years in the same working conditions.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Do you you're not a teacher, au Peter, No, No,
So I.

Speaker 14 (19:17):
Pick up the pieces when she comes home after a
day of dealing with dealing with really terrible behavior.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
So do you take the normal four weeks holiday a.

Speaker 14 (19:27):
Year, Yeah, I get some somewhere around that, so so
I have the time my holidays for when my wife
has got her time off, and those those midterm breaks,
so that in between term one and term two during
the year, teachers are probably sick, recovering from the from

(19:48):
the term, and then starting to plan the next term.
So she spent the first five or six years doing
one of those weeks was working to do all the
syllabus prep for the upcoming term, and.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
So you can't rinse and repeats, so you can't do
the same. Once you've got your syllabus lined up as
a teacher, you can't use it year after year.

Speaker 14 (20:09):
Look, there'll be some classes in some schools and some
teachers that will be able to do that, but generally,
with syllabus changes class changes, most teachers would be spending
two or three days minimum during those term breaks.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
So sorry, So basically she only takes the holidays that
you take as a full holiday. This is what I'm
getting at, because because when people say that teachers get
three months, we all get one month. So teachers arguably
are away from teaching for three months, but we're all
away from work for four weeks.

Speaker 14 (20:44):
Yeah, we'll try and do a couple of weeks around
Christmas and five days, so long a long week at
each of those term breaks. So we're taking about twenty
to twenty five days really, and then she's doing syllabus
work during the year.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I take it she works in the public sector, does she, Peter,
not at a private school.

Speaker 14 (21:05):
She's worked, She's worked at public schools. Yes, hasn't worked
yet at a private school. But one of the other
things that the the sorry, the claim negotiations and the
pay negotiations have left out is that the money doesn't
address any other working conditions. And one of the factors

(21:26):
while we're talking about those term breaks is that there's
currently a condition in their clause in their contract that
has them liable for ten callback days a year. So
anytime a principle needs to get something done, he can
bring the teachers back to work during those midterm breaks.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Right, even if you're I don't know for some reason.
I've just got friends that are teachers and they walk
the root Burn track recently. So that's my example. They
keep using. So you know, you're up the root Burn
tech track, you get a call you got to go back.

Speaker 14 (21:59):
Yeah, So in practice, I don't think a call back
day gets used over the summer holidays, but in between
the terms, those three breaks during the year, that's when
principles would use them.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Now.

Speaker 14 (22:12):
I don't know how many schools actually use them or
what the averages, but the contract being offered is moving
that from ten days a year to twenty days a year.
So a principle could potentially take away two thirds of
that time that they get to recuperate and recover and

(22:33):
then put that into extra work. So most of New
Zealand would probably shrug and go, yeah, so what all
the teachers who would conde subject to them? The end
result is they'll stop teaching. They'll find other chunks.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Now, Peter, do you mind telling me what profession urine?

Speaker 14 (22:53):
I work for a public service as well, but I'll
keep your guessing as to which one.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Okay, well, wait, okay, so his honest question. Just answer
this question as honestly as you can, Peter, who works harder?
You or your wife?

Speaker 14 (23:08):
My wife absolutely worked harder. So the first three or
four years, those mid term breaks, those two weeks, she'd
probably be stick in the bed for the first for
the first week recovering from the term. It was so
stressful and so so much work. And if they're going
to take a sick day during the term, then it's

(23:29):
three or four hours the night before to try and
prep all of the all of the full and syllabus
work and stuff that the students need to do with
the relief teacher.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, thank so much for you call, Peter, Thank you
for insight.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Just the more I think about it, we'll all have
our teachers in our lives. And I know a few,
you know a few, most of us do. But the
ones I chat to and they've been at a school
with really tough kids and they say it's horrible. They
hate it. It's really tough work, similar to what Peter
was saying with his wife. But then they go to
a different school and things change immensely. They've got support

(24:03):
and resources around that. So then it comes down to
the fact of bad schools versus good schools, like bad
workplaces versus good workplaces.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
But you've got to find a way too.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
You know, good teachers are going to go to the
good schools, right, So it goes back to that working
hard and being a good teacher and putting your head
down and actually achieving you're going to get good results
in the long run.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Well, I'll be interested to know if they earn how
much they earn it private schools, how much more, because
if that's the pinnacle of teaching, if you really really good,
you get to step up and get more and more.
That's your career path. This six says, Hey, guys, I'm
a truck driver. Forty dollars an hour time, seventy hours
a week for forty eight weeks a year. That's not

(24:47):
even one hundred and forty thousand dollars. That's from aiden. Yeah,
a lot of people working hard. But I will say
that when I was a kid, my mum always seemed
to have marketing papers on a lap when we're watching
the TV at night.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. It's twenty five to two.

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back to Matson Tyler.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Thank you very much, Wendy. So many texts coming through
on this one. We're going to get back to your
calls as well very shortly. But let's get through a
couple of these texts.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Judith Collins isn't wrong. I'm a primary teacher and any
teacher with a normal teaching grew with ten years experience
are at ninety eight thousand dollars before any extra units
are applied. This Texas says, I work as a allied
health practitioner, a multi disciplinary practice with physio's podietarists, osteopath

(26:55):
Earning capacity is usually under one hundred K, and we
often work to do at night referrals let us, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
This one says, guys, this is infuriating. There are plenty
of worthy on timesheets, eg. Police and nurses and doctors.
Why do teachers think they are exempt and can just
say I work really hard and are unaccountable for the
hours and this one Matt and Tyler. I have some
sympathy for teachers, but all professionals looking to get on

(27:24):
work some evenings and some holidays. Working with kids as hard.
But I manage a team of twenty adults gen z
to fifty plus, all griping about something or each other
worse than a bunch of kids. Sometimes I think pretty
sure that Judith exaggerated their pay, but I would still
love their holidays.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
That's from Dave. Yeah, I think people underestimate how tough
it would be to stand up. I'm imagine sixteen and
seventeen year olds. You've basically got adults with all their
egos and problems and hopes and dreams and emotions, and
you've got to get up and stand in front of
them every day. Some of them don't give a crap. Yeah,
some of them are actively hostile. Some of them are amazing.

(28:03):
But I don't think and we all have emotional loads
in our jobs, absolutely, but I think there is a
huge emotional load in being a teacher, and I think
people need to accept that. Hey guys, it's a secure
job with many perks. We need more males as they're great,
especially for our young boys, but the teacher training has
put them off. It's become idological prodigy and other jargon

(28:26):
waffle rather than teaching and the look up that word.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, if you've recently been through teachers college, what was
it actually like? Really can to hear from you? What
is the lessons of what are you taught? Or what's
involved in getting that degree? Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Call the method of practice of teaching, especially as an
academic subject of or theatrical concept. Oh, okay, there we go,
anological prodigy.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
You can't say you don't learn anything on this show.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Thank you very much. I'll work on the pronunciation of that.
But great word, great word.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call back very shortly with more of your calls.
Next up, we've got a teacher who says there might
be some truth and what Judith would say is this
will be interesting. Nineteen to two.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way, mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news
talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Be sixteen to two Byron, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 16 (29:21):
Pretty sure?

Speaker 4 (29:21):
But thanks?

Speaker 16 (29:22):
How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Good? Thanks for a teacher, Byron.

Speaker 16 (29:25):
I used to be I'm an it now that I'm
sort of gonna have a teaching because of the emotional
This a toll on the mind and soul. I mean
Judas's she does have a point with regards to the
ceiling of an income in education, But I don't think

(29:46):
that's your frontline teacher position. That would be somebody that
as a management that Peter alluded to before. But yeah,
when I was in the classroom, I s get chairs
chucked it at me or other kids or the big fights,
and it will just be a really stressful time because, yeah,

(30:08):
kids are coming into the school without basic skills of
self control, self regulation, emotional regulation, because just just for
you know, a variety of reasons. And yeah, I was
just going home and I've got a young family, and
i was trying to do work at home in front

(30:31):
of the TV with my laptop up, and I'm missing
out on my family time because I'm trying to just
have the best sort of structured class for the next day,
because things will change in the day and kids need
change all the time. So when you hear teachers going
home and doing mohey, it's because things are changed in

(30:55):
the classrooms. So you will see an opportunity for kids
who who may not be engaged, you know, get a
light bulb moment and this, okay, cool, I'm going to
do a lesson tomorrow just for them to help them.
But the whole class, where's the best lessons? And you
go and for interest or to developed things on tend you.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Sound like you're you sound like you're a good teacher
that kid. What age were you teaching at Barron? Not
your age, the age of the pupils high school or.

Speaker 16 (31:28):
I'd wonderful age group. It was seven and eight year olds.
Was in middle school and they're awesome age because they're
not street smart, you know, they can't really school you
on anything, but they but they they sort of kept
you relevant. So it was like a it's quite reciprocal.
So now telling about the coallest just dance songs or

(31:50):
who's the colest influencers and then that sort of keep
me relevant for my own kids at home. So when
I'm a home, I'll tell my high age you know,
I know about this and that, so my own kids,
the street cred with my kids at home was living
up all the time only because of the experiences that
the kids in my classroom were giving me. And then

(32:11):
because I was getting feedback from those kids, I'd go
home and try and develop lesson plans around the interest.
That makes sense. So yeah, I don't know if yeah,
if people out there sort of get that, you know,
teaching you'll never save much money and you'll never be rich.

(32:34):
You're you're in it too, you know, for the passion Before.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
You left to go to it, did you look into
private school and you know the opportunities in that area
and do you know how much more that gets paid
than in public sector public schools?

Speaker 16 (32:54):
I didn't, But private schools would have their own problems,
I would think, you know, most of the problems that
I had in mainstream public schools was the emotional the
trauma that these kids well with them. And it didn't
matter if it was a child from highly supported household

(33:16):
or a child that didn't have too many resources at home.
They all come of their own different types of trauma.
So I think private schools, yep, you might have all
the resources, but then I don't know, those children might
come with other traumatic experiences.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
But that's where you need the resources and the money,
right byron. And this is the difficulty, is that you
want good teachers who are good at what they do
in those schools where the kids have a lot more challenges,
and you've got to pay them to be there. And
that's how you get the best people. So that and
I know we start to get into the territory thereof
of performance pay. But what is the other option? You

(33:55):
need to have the good teachers where they're going to
make the most difference.

Speaker 16 (34:00):
You do, you do? I did have a look at
the gazette before I left, and they are private schools
out there in Auckland that constantly vacancy, right, And so
you know you sort of alluded to before that you know,
all the good teachers will go to those good schools.
Some of those private schools are sewing through their through

(34:24):
their teachers. So and it's at schools around the EPSOM
and newmarket areas as such, a I don't want to name.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, I imagine, I imagine at private schools and I
don't know anything about it. My mother taught at a public school,
but I don't think about it. But I imagine the demands
from the parents would be quite extreme because they're they're
directly paying for it. I mean, we're all paying for
public schools in our taxes, but they're directly paying for it.
So I imagine that that the I know that the

(34:51):
if a kid is going to private school and you're
paying a lot of money and they're failing, then then
that's going to come. They're going to come down hard
on the teacher.

Speaker 16 (34:58):
Right A hundred percent. Yeah, so maybe the parents are
the problem that the children.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
There.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Good, You're a great to chat to. Finally, have you
Are you finding it less stressful than teaching, because I've
seen some pretty stressed I T people out there.

Speaker 16 (35:17):
I won't go back to teaching because AI is just
wrecking the whole narrative for me. As we's going to
it and you know it's going to be exciting and
developed new things, and then AI came and let's changed
my whole narrative. I'm sort of scratching my head, going,
why did I change? You think it's tough out there
for everybody, though, Yeah, you know, to everybody news, because yeah,

(35:43):
we're all doing it tough, just like you guys. You
know it's it's a tough tough gek at the moment.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for be cool, Barron,
you're you sound like a great man.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is nine to two.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Matd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons
News Talks.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Very good afternoon to you. We are talking about teachers salaries.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Plenty of texts coming through on this take out school holidays,
et cetera. And look at what they are asking for.
Who else had forty percent pay rise and continuing rises
every year. Asking for eight percent then another two lots
of four percent is unrealistic. The country doesn't have that
kind of money. So many of us have had no
pay rise over twelve to twenty four months. Cheers Shery,

(36:30):
Thanks for that. I'm a head of department earning just
under one hundred and fifteen k. My head of faculty
earns about ten k more. Only principles could be on
over one hundred and forty and they hardly teach anyone.
Most teachers earn around one hundred and three K a year.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Thank you for those texts, Richards. What's your take on this.

Speaker 17 (36:50):
Tes I can't believe the amount of absolute rubbish to
get spoken about the education system by people who, because
they went to school once, think that they're an expert
on how teachers operate and how they should be paid.
It's complete rubbish. Did you know that in the nineteen
sees a teacher and an MP were roughly the same,

(37:13):
probably a little bit higher for the MP, but pretty
much similar.

Speaker 13 (37:17):
And they're not now.

Speaker 17 (37:18):
They're a long way from it. My wife has done
more than thirty five but less than forty years in
primary school. She's an acting assistant principal the moment, she's
nowhere near that one hundred and forty. She's a long
way from that. As that last person said, you know
that or the text, only a principal would be getting
anywhere near that. The single biggest thing the government can

(37:43):
do to improve the life of teachers is to stick
with the and I'm talking about primary school here primarily,
is to stick with the guidelines for class sizes. My
wife's teachers in the junior school. At the primary school,
her range of students is mean to be between eighteen

(38:04):
and twenty one. She's got twenty seven, and that extra
six or even kids is massive.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
So Richard, all, so, Richard, I agree? How good would
it be if we could have smaller class sizes and
teachers could be paid more? No, no, I'm not talking about that.
Just listen, Richard. No, no, I haven't. You've jumped in before.
I've made my point. So what I'm saying is that
would be fantastic if we could have low class sizes,

(38:32):
and it would be fantastic if teachers could get paid
more and be respected more. But do you agree that
we don't have a lot of money as a country
and we're not a rich enough country to necessarily pay
our teachers as much as we think we should and
make their working conditions as good as they should be.

Speaker 17 (38:50):
No, I disagree with that. I think that we are
an adequately wealthy country. We spend a lot of our
money on absolute rubbish stuff that needs to be smarter
spending by our government. And education is one and health
are both areas. It's just like I went to hospital once.

(39:11):
That makes me an expert on what a nurse's life
is like.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Thank you so much for your call, Richard. We just
got to go to the news.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, you're fight up about it. Love the passion.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, and I think you've got your point across. Good stuff.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Absolutely, we are going to do this after. We'll carry
this on after two o'clock. So love your thoughts. If
you're a teacher, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
what do you say when Judith Colin sees you can
earn one hundred and forty seven K a year? And
what are the conditions like?

Speaker 2 (39:33):
And that word is pedagogie, that word meaning method and
practice of teaching, especially as an academic subject or theoreticals concept.
Love it.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Keep those texts coming through, We love them. It's three
minutes to two News coming up.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons US Talks.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
It'd be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.
Seven past turn. We had so many people want to
have a chat about the teachers and salaries and conditions.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
We're going to keep it going for another wee while. Yeah,
full lines and so many texts coming through. Really appreciate
all your calls and messages and emails that are coming through. Actually,
somehow people have found my email address and they're they're
blessing me with some messages. So smart people. So it's
all on on this teacher issue. And it was after
I heard Judith Collins say this this morning on the
My Costing Breakfast.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
Well, when you've taken to account twelve weeks, that's three
months paid leave every year, plus all the professional development,
plus everything else that goes with it, all the allowances.
If you've got ten years experience with the normal allowances
that most would be getting, that's one hundred and forty
seven thousand a year. And you add in that the

(40:45):
fact that there's three months paid leave. Now who else
gets that?

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Not many, if any? I mean add a lock three
months paid leave. That is part of the deal, and
I will for one, I'd say, I actually think teachers
do deserve that. But be honest about it, the people
out there, really, how much of that time are you
preparing for lessons and working. If you're taking the time off,
good on you enjoy it. You've got hard job, you're
the best of us. But be honest about it. You're
taking a wee holiday out you going for a hike.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
You sound like a teacher. Be honest, be honest. Much
of that three months you're working. Well, we all get
four weeks, right, so it's only two two months more
then we're all guaranteed. But anyway, the reason why I'm
talking about this is I was driving along and I
heard due to say that, and I thought, boy, my

(41:34):
son should go into into teaching. He should go to
teachers college. You know, he was talking about how he'd
like to be a teacher. And I thought, no, no, no, no, no,
no no. That's a terrible job. You don't get it's hard,
hard work, it's an emotional slog, and you don't get
paid any money and you don't get any respect. But
if I hear one hundred and forty seven K a
year from Judith Collins in three months holiday, I was like,
get your ass into teachers college, son. But there's been

(41:56):
a bit of pushback on her comments. I would have
to say.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
There certainly has been a lot of tips coming through
like this one. No teacher I know gets one hundred
and forty K. What t if is she on about?
What do you keep focusing one hundred and forty k minority,
and think about the sixty to seventy thousand dollars a
year majority and what their lives must be like trying
to survive on that amount. I certainly couldn't and wouldn't

(42:19):
do it for the amount of time training they have
to do. I think that's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Got this great email from Sophie and she said, Hey, guys,
it can be argued whether teachers deserve more pay, but
the bottom line is we have a teacher shortage. They
are able to easily get a teaching job and Ossie
in better pay, et cetera. They are leaving, so we
can argue all we want about the pay rate. But
until they feel they are being treated with respect they
deserve and they are able to afford to buy a

(42:45):
house in Auckland, huh, they will not be good luck.
They will not be up with it. And no, I
don't think they can keep importing teachers who struggle with
the English language. It's not right for the students. Regards
Sophie good email.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. I think we got Sarah on the line.
On sarahre you currently studying to be a teacher.

Speaker 15 (43:12):
Hi.

Speaker 18 (43:12):
Yes, I'm currently studying at aut North Campus and it's
actually been a really good degree. And I when I
left high school, I decided, what is one school that
I could get into really easily because in high school,
yes I didn't have the best grades, but I still
had that passion to be doing teaching. So I thought, Okay,

(43:35):
I'm going to apply for this UNI and see if
I get in. And this degree, I've learned so much
that I've never learned before about the education system, and
it's actually changed my perspective on school, like from being
a student and they're now going into the school profession.
It's really opened my eyes a lot and hearing the
politics now. It's interesting because our degree is constantly changing.

(43:58):
In education, it's constantly changing, so they're always struggling to actually.

Speaker 19 (44:02):
Know what to teach us.

Speaker 18 (44:04):
So we've had some lectures even admit they're like, well,
we have this topic we want to teach you, but
it's not actually that relevant in the curriculum. So you
guys are now having to find your feet when you
go into your practicums. We have practicums twice a year
or am my degree, we had practicums.

Speaker 17 (44:22):
Twice again, what's that?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
What's what's what's that? Sarah? A practicum?

Speaker 7 (44:27):
A practicum?

Speaker 18 (44:28):
Yeah, So we go into schools and this is when
we get our real life experience as a teacher. Ye.
We don't learn how to be a teacher using the
teachers they have in schools, right, and we follow them.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
And does it start the first year or is it
a couple of years into into the degree.

Speaker 7 (44:44):
But it starts the.

Speaker 18 (44:45):
First year into the degree. So your first year into
your degree is when you get a chance to do
your teaching.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Right, right, And how have you enjoyed those being in
the classroom?

Speaker 20 (44:57):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (44:57):
I feel like it's been a great experience I've had. Obviously,
every school is different. And the word that you guys
were talking about pintergogy. You implement your own pedagology, but
you learn your pedagogy from watching other how other teachers teach.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Wow, I'm learning a lot of new words today. Thank you, Sarah,
you're already and godgy, you're teaching those old dogs some
new new words, which is awesome. Your natural born teacher.
So are you going into primary teaching or a secondary.

Speaker 18 (45:29):
At the moment, I'm probably going to go into primary.
I actually haven't decided yet because there's lots of opportunities
appearing and I haven't put on my CV yet, but
most likely primary.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
I'm looking at how different is the study between primary
and secondary? What extra do you have to do to
get into secondary school teaching.

Speaker 18 (45:48):
You would have to do a postgrad to do secondary,
which means you would have to do an x three
year study. So that guy that talked about the four
year thing, that would be talking about trying to get
into secondary. If you want to do primary, it's only three.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Years, okay, right, And so you're planning to get your
degree and then jump the jump the seat of Australia
and get paid more.

Speaker 18 (46:11):
No, I really want to work and lower this high schools. Actually,
that would be a dream for me to go and
help those children that were talked about the behavioral needs
and I really feel like I was drawn to that
support and going into this teaching would definitely be a
big part of it.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
So well, I love that attitude and I love the
a bit. There's some people that I listenking going talk
to me in ten years, talk to me in ten years?

Speaker 18 (46:38):
Yea in the start and they're like, how long are
you thinking I'm doing this career four because I've heard
a teacher burnout.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
And yeah, because you really want to make a difference,
and you know, I'm sure you will, but it sounds
like there's quite a lot of an emotional weight that
comes with it. Is you know, a day and day
and out and experiencing the you know, the ups and
downs of other humans lives that are put in front
of you. You don't choose who your students are, and
some of them can be going through terrible stuff. So
are you a little bit apprehensive about that side of

(47:05):
it and what you might experience?

Speaker 7 (47:08):
Yeah, i am.

Speaker 18 (47:09):
I've seen a little bit on these practicums or these
teaching opportunities, and there is a lot of background that
students bring with them, and there is a lot of behavior,
I want to say, outbursts, but it's not their fault.
So you student put yourself in situations that you haven't
been before, and that's why you have your at your

(47:30):
mentors that show you how they would handle it. And
they won't always put you in their shoes yet, but
you kind of watch how the situation plays out. So
there is a lot of students that come in from
like lower do style backgrounds that they do struggle coming
to school, and you want the school to be a
safe place for them, So it's up to your job

(47:51):
to be there to give them that safe place.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Sounds rewarding, incredibly challenging as well from what we're hear
in seras. If you go into secondary school, have you
decided what subject you'd like to specialize in.

Speaker 18 (48:02):
I'd love to go into pe and that is because
I am currently a sports coach, so I do CALLI Sports,
which is a company that I work for, and I
love doing like playing games, but it's not just playing games,
good teaching kids' skills about sports that I didn't even
know before I went into job. So I'm always learning
with the students as well. So it's been really cool

(48:24):
to help me ease into that career path.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Is there many because a lot of people are tixing
through and saying that we need more men and teaching. Yes,
And are there many males coming through with you and
your and your and your courses?

Speaker 18 (48:40):
Siah, That is a really good point. There is probably
from my campus, this is probably around ten fifteen in
my year group out of there are coming through.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Out of a total of out of a total of.

Speaker 18 (48:57):
Maybe like fifty sixty maybe eighty a lot. And these
teachers coming through I've seen in the year groups below
there are quite a few males, but there is a
significance of females over males.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Disagree, Yeah, and does that concern you?

Speaker 18 (49:15):
It does a little bit because I'm friends with most
of those guys that aren't coming through, and they are
very driven in this like education sector, so I can
see them being really really good teachers. But yes, there
is like a shortage of males coming through as well.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Sarah.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Great to chat with you. All the very best, and
don't go to Australia. We need you here.

Speaker 18 (49:36):
I will be here and if anybody's offering, I'm always
looking on gazette.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Okay, absolutely, And I hope you keep that wide eyed
enthusiasm for your entire teaching career. I love it. Thank
you so much for your call, Sarah. Thank you go well.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number
to call. It's quarter past two if you're a teacher
or you currently currently going through Teachers College, love to
have a chat with you. Nine to two nine tools
of text number back in a.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Moment your home of Afternoon Talk. Mad Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons call. Oh wait at eighty eighty news Talk.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Said, afternoon, it is nineteen past two and we've been
talking about teachers salaries. So Judith Collins, who's the Minister
for Public Service, made comments to my Costkin this morning
that teachers can earn up to one hundred and forty
seven thousand dollars, but a lot of pushback on that.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Hey, this is interesting. That girl is wrong about secondary
school teaching. You need a bachelor's degree in a subject,
then a postgrad in teaching. You can't study a primary
degree then do an extra year and teach secondary A
primary degree doesn't give you the specialist subject knowledge you
need to be a secondary teacher. That's what I thought. Actually, right, Okay,
good to know one of our teachers started dating as

(50:50):
student three weeks after graduating graduation, later got engaged and
then he knocked up an international sports person and left her. Wow, lo,
what a journey. Well, what did I mean? It's vaguely
on the top of it. If the teacher has evolved
on the topic of what we're talking about, this Stixter says,

(51:11):
can I lop a grenade in here. My maid is
a teacher and says, if you play it right, teachings
like semi retirement that Vix. Welcome to the show, Kelda.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Hi, Now you're a part time Yeah, we're very good.
You're a part time teacher.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
I am so.

Speaker 20 (51:29):
I teach secondary So your texter was right. You need
a degree. Mine was in psychology and English double major,
and then you do a year as postgraduates to get
your teaching diploma before you become a secondary school teacher.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
And does that mean you can only teach in those
subjects or can you teach across the board.

Speaker 20 (51:49):
It's about doing the professional learning to be able to
teach those subjects. So I have classics and history and
my degree, and so I've taught health, and I've taught English,
and I teach literacy. I've actually done structure literacy training
because of the amount of young people that were coming
through to us without fundamentals. So I now teach backfill

(52:10):
basically gaps, and we've written that program on that.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
My mum was a classics teacher.

Speaker 20 (52:16):
Are you so my mum was an English teacher. I
was never going to be a teacher because I saw
how hard she worked and I was going to be
a clinical psychologist, and I got into that program, but
then I love working with teenagers and so, like to
put it bluntly, I could be earning eighty to one
hundred and twenty thousand k more had I continued with

(52:38):
that clinical psych program. And I think we need to
as a country recognize that teachers are professionals and that
the wages we are paying them as professionals are massively
low comparatively, and so if we want to hold on
to our professionals, and I know two younger staff who
have done their first five years and are off overseas

(53:00):
at the end of the year from our school in Osatahi,
and if we want and their good teachers, and they're
not just going for their oe because they know they
can earn a better wage overseas. So yeah, if we
do have a teacher's crisis. In terms of holidays, I
spent my previous holiday of two weeks. Four days of

(53:22):
that was at an English teachers conference up in Auckland,
and then I probably spent about five days marking and
planning and the rest was holidays for me. And the
conferences are always in the holidays.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I think conferences like radio conferences where everyone just rocks
it up. Must be I wish.

Speaker 20 (53:44):
Drink French dinner, but it's three days of hard mahe
and some really nice gatherings and sharing as well. And
one of the biggest things that came through to me
from my North Island colleagues was the teacher shortage. We've
definitely had people who have moved down from fielding in

(54:05):
Auckland and Wellington to buy houses and we're lucky enough
to have picked them up at school. But yeah, Judas Collins,
her saying that about salaries, I mean just she's getting
numbers out of nowhere, but also she's getting sacks out
of nowhere. You know teachers has been offered three percent.

(54:27):
Well no, we've been offered one percent this year. And
you know, I've been teaching for twenty years, so I've
been around to watch a few of these negotiations. And
what the governments tend to do is they like to
spend a long time in negotiations because they're saving money.
As soon as they agree to a number, they have
to start paying us that they didn't backdate us that time.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
So when did you last gets Because on a lot
of people text back and say you know, there's security
in a job being a teacher, and no one's getting
pay increases at the moment. And there have been recent
pay increases. There's been recent pay Yeah, there's been recent
pay increases for teachers. So there's one percent on the
table now, but that's on top of I could look

(55:12):
up the right head had from me before.

Speaker 20 (55:14):
But a lot a weird pay increase because we got
a lump sum which paid out for a couple of things.
One of them was we'd had to pay for our
own registration. It hadn't normally beforehand. That had been something
that the government had included as part of our pay
and then it had come out, so it was about

(55:35):
five hundred bucks and so that was a lump sum.
So it's really hard to get a proper figure on
what we got last time. And I don't know, sorry
off the top of my head, but I think what
we're trying to do is to keep up with and
we're so far behind other the professions. Like all friends
I was at UNI with begs come and do this

(55:59):
because but there is a lifestyle to it in that
I can choose which days I'm going to take as
a whole day out of those two weeks in which
days I'm going to work, and I can work that
around what I'm doing and what my fun I was doing.
But I could not be a mom to three one
of them home we foster and is now ours permanently

(56:23):
and work full time. I can't do the load and
be fear to my students and being the best teacher
I can.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
So much for your call back, So one of the
ones teachers agreed to a fourteen point five percent pay
rise in twenty twenty three, I believe yeah, and there's
been a couple of other four percent situations. We'll get
the exact figures on that. Thank you so much for
your call. Why hasn't it been discussed the job security
teachers enjoy? I just said that the unemployment rate in

(56:50):
Auckland is now over six percent. People are losing their
jobs and this economy, teachers don't have the risk of
being laid off. Interesting time to be asking for more
money with all of us struggling out there.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Yep, cood text OH one hundred and eighty ten eighty
So number to call. It's twenty six past two.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
News Talks ed B are so many texts coming through
on nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
So fourteen percent was the last teachers pay rise, fourteen
point five percent. That was in twenty twenty three. They
are now asking they want eight percent, four percent and
four percent.

Speaker 7 (57:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
So this is a direct quote from the head of
the Public Service Commission, so Brian wrote. So the union
rejected a three percent increase over the three years, but
that is on top of an annual pay progression of
between four point five percent and seven point five percent.
So that is the current situation as it stands.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
My outdoor ed teacher said to us, the only reason
I'm here is for the holidays. We said, fair enough.
I'm not sure when that was. Thank you for that.
This Texas says Judith, is spot on. They do get
a lot of holidays. Don't get me wrong. There are
some teachers that would work some of those holidays, but
the majority do not, says this texter. I have worked
with many people who have actually changed their career path
because they want extra holidays. So they get into teaching.

(58:14):
Dependent on which level they are teaching, they have good
Mondays to Friday's hours as well. If they have children,
they do not have to worry about after school care,
so they save a lot in that aspect as well. Guys,
my wife as a school principal. Before I knew her,
I was in the corporate world. Believe me, I've learned
teachers have it so a few people getting triggered listening

(58:35):
to the so easy Judith Collins is correct. After the
first few years, money is very good, including the twelve
paid twelve paid leave. Remember it's an eye opener. They
have it easy, says this text. I can feel the Yeah,
the temperature of the nation rising just there.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
That's a good text to leave it, or maybe a
couple more. Hey, guys, I'm a male primary school teacher.
I don't get anywhere near one hundred and forty k.
If we as a society valued education and educators and
funded schools, paid teachers well, et cetera, the country would
save so much more by having a population that was
more intelligent, empathetic and productive. The less money spent on health,
less crime, highest standards of living for all people in

(59:17):
the community and country.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yes, but there's a text I read before that said
if teachers were doing their job right, then our country
would be wouldn't be the less productive in the OCOECD. Yeah, yes,
I'll tell you what. There is everything in every direction
right here. But I would say it's not as simple
as what Juth Collins was saying that one hundred and
forty seven K. I think that is an extreme situation

(59:43):
where you get up one hundred and forty seven k
in ten years. It's not happening for most teachers. Exactly.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who phoned
in text. And we'll see what happens next Wednesday whether
they will go on strike, But thank you very much.
Right coming up after the headlines, this is going to
be a great chat. Booking dot com it has been
accused of failing to respond to complaints of fraudulent listings.
So do you you refuse to use the likes of

(01:00:09):
booking dot com It hasn't done itself favors for a
long time. But really can to hear from you on
O eight hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
And eighty ten eighty do you use them or do
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said Herold Premium. Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Thank you very much, Wendy, So let's have a chat
about Booking dot Com. It's under fire again, this time
for not responding to fraudulent listings. So there's quite a
few keywis that are coming out of the woodwork saying
that they've gone to booking dot Com and went to
go book a nice holiday in this beautiful looking place
in Wonkah. The sad thing is that this place didn't exist,

(01:01:54):
so they paid a whole lot of money. Come on,
I mean it is like this keeps happening more and
more on the likes of booking dot comic speedia, whatever
you want to do. So sadly for these people, they
sent thousands of thousands of dollars to these scammers.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
But this is out of the pro two and twenty
one dollars and sixty cents to be precise. Tyler. Yeah,
that's a lot of cash. And they wanted to go
to Warbirds over Wanaka, which is one of the greatest
events in this country. I've never been, but I would
love to go. It's so good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
So we can feel very bad for these people. But
I've got to say, the Booking dot Com so they
get in a lot of heat now because they haven't
responded and they're not taking these listings down fast enough.
But that is the danger when you use a site
like booking dot com, that we know that scammers can
get in there, and more and more they are putting
up these fraudulent listings. And also this is a big

(01:02:41):
thing for you, Matt, that money goes overseas.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Yeah, exactly, and we've talked about this before on the show.
But if you go directly to the hotel, motel holiday inn,
they will they will match the price on booking dot
Com because they get more money from it. Yeah, generally speaking,
they will. But I will never go through one of
these dirty sites, these third party sites like booking dot com.

(01:03:04):
If you see the place, then go to the website
of the place and talk to them directly. You're guaranteed
to know that they exist if you talk to them,
one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
But if they had run this place they're paying two
and seventy two to seven two seven and twenty one
dollars to stay at, if they'd got hold of them directly,
they would have found out they don't exist as a
fake listing. Yeah, but I mean that just calls into question.
That's a double reason not to do it, right, So,
first reason it screws over the people running the accommodation.
Second reason, the place your booking may not exist.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Are you increasingly wary about these sort of
sites booking dot com? Have you run into one of
these scams? Have you lost a bit of money? And
what was it like dealing with these companies when things
went wrong? Love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Yeah, absolutely, Have you booked accommodation that doesn't exist and
is going third party dirty?

Speaker 7 (01:04:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties the number
to call. It's twenty two to three.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Mattith Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rules on
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons used talks'd be afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
We're talking about booking dot com and site similar to
booking dot com. Have you been scammed before? It appears
more and more key wes are getting scammed. Fate listings
are popping up left, right and center. And according to
these people who were scammed in the article, booking dot
com is is is very bad at getting back to
them and making it right. One hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Guys, I used Booking dot Com to find accommodation and
then ring the actual motel a hotel, and they've always
matched the price. That's from Dan. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
That's what I did. That's what I do. Dan and
me we Vicky. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 17 (01:04:47):
Hi.

Speaker 8 (01:04:49):
I bopd accommodation in Rome. Last year I booked through
Booking dot Com and got confirmation and they took my
money and then within about two weeks they canceled it
and wouldn't give me back my money. They told me

(01:05:11):
to get it back off.

Speaker 16 (01:05:12):
So their words was.

Speaker 8 (01:05:15):
They called Booking dot comunks and said get it back
off them. Booking dot Com just wouldn't come to the part.
It took seven months to get the money back. In
the meantime, I still needed accommodation, so I booked again
through booking dot com because when you're booking overseas it's
too hard to do it really any other ways, and

(01:05:38):
had the same thing got canceled last minute, but there
was no charge on that, but Booking dot Com were not.

Speaker 16 (01:05:49):
Happy to be giving back the money.

Speaker 8 (01:05:52):
And then again this year booked again through Booking dot Com,
went to Bali arrived at the accommodation. The swimming pool
was green, so we said we didn't really want to stay.
I paid Booking dot Com for our accommodation. The provider
told us they definitely hadn't taken the money.

Speaker 16 (01:06:10):
And to get it back.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Just just just before you continue, for Vicky, are you
indicating or are you riding a horse?

Speaker 17 (01:06:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Yeap of sounds like it kind of sounds like I'll
just I'm just going to keep imagining you're riding a
horse because it makes the call better. It's a whimsical
call if you're on a horse. So, uh, Vicky said,
three times Booking dot Com let you down yep, And

(01:06:42):
and they.

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
Keep changing their phone numbers so that hard to get
hold of. And and then this last particular time I
actually to get.

Speaker 7 (01:06:51):
My money back.

Speaker 8 (01:06:52):
I went back through my credit card with the bank
and said hey, Then Booking dot Com declined it and
said that I had made no effort to get my
money back. So I sent the bank h correspondence that
I've had Withooking dot Com over it, and the bank
gave me back my money.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
So you're out. You're you're done with Booking dot Com now, surely,
And We're not going to hear in two months that
you've booked a trip to Paraguay on Booking dot Com
and they've let you down again, are we, Vicky?

Speaker 8 (01:07:23):
To be fair, Key, we shouldn't use Booking dot Com
and New Zealand every accommodation provider will normally do a
cheaper price than Booking dot Com. You don't want them
to match it because the're paying fees to Booking dot
Com for booking. I am a motelier, so you know
you can get a better price through Booking Direct with
your motel rather than using them. They're just they're not

(01:07:49):
an and them money doesn't even stay in New Zealand,
so during COVID times, all this money was going overseas.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
I'm paying text here absolutely. Thank you so much for
your call, Vicky. Will let you ride off into the sunset.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Yeah, stay away from those winkers. A couple of teas
coming through tailor. I am just saying, Adams the language
the good hotel in Parliament. Hey, the hotel called them wankers.
I'm just ready to go in relaying what they said.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I think they're quite right. Oh one hundred eighty ten
eighty are they w's some teas coming through here, Okay,
so I'll go. Used used to use booking dot com
till till we arrived in London after driving down from
Scotland to find out booking was a bogus and our
booking dot com booking booking was bogus, not our bogus

(01:08:43):
booking was bogus, and Booking dot Com refused to take
any responsibility. They did admit they had banned the host
before and refused to refund our one thousand and two
hundred dollars myself, daughter in law, two very tired kids,
horrendous thank god for holiday inn that's from Ann So
booking dot com and banned the person before, and then

(01:09:03):
the person's jumped back up on booking dot Com and
set up another bogus, bloody a com.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Do I have to use that word again? I mean clearly?

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Oh eight ten eighty it's the number to call. I'm
just gonna email the Broadcasting Standards Authority about your pottymouth tyler.
How believe you keep to a quarter to three? Are
plenty of calls to get to.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
If you can't get through, keep trying, ohight hundred and
eighty ten eighty do you use booking dot Com and
have you got stune.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
The issues that affect you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
And a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Talk z EDB News Talk zed B. Good afternoon to you.
There's some great texts coming through nine two nine two
about booking dot com and other things. This one says, guys,
booking dot Com has been fined millions of dollars around
the world, bankrupt in many countries. It just clips the
ticket off every other supplies platform. Dirty buggers.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
And this is a text I agree with strongly from Alistair.
Lift the game on the language. You don't need to
be shock jocks. If you want to talk bad language,
go to radio Hodeki. You're a part of the downfall
of society.

Speaker 8 (01:10:11):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah, I blame you, man.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
There's only one of us that's been at radio HEARDECHI here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Yeah, Well someone seid the W word three times, Tyler,
you just can't say winker on the radio.

Speaker 12 (01:10:20):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Welcome to the show, rod HII A very good thank you.
You recently had a problem at language at all? Oh
good on. You're right, I appreciate that. Let's keep it clean.
You're up in the standards. Right, hey, right, your your
wife recently at a problem on booking dot com.

Speaker 10 (01:10:37):
Yeah, we're booking a combination at the moment actually for
a forthcoming trip to Europe, and we've booked a bunch
of places through booking dot Com. This one particular was
in Paris and it looked it looked quite nice, probably
a bit too good to be true, a flash apartment
close to the Sener city. So we ran Booking dot
Com said is this like a proper legitimate provider and

(01:10:59):
they said yep, yet were good, so we because they
want us to pay. We had to pay up front
about fifteen hundred dollars, so we went ahead, paid the money,
and then a week later we got this cancer and
of course the places disappears.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
It's off booking dot Com. Now there's no sign of it.

Speaker 10 (01:11:16):
So we chased up with Booking dot Com and they
they kind of been a little bit helpful, but not
so we're trying to get the money through them and
feeling that we're going through the bank as well. Aids
that have been really good, that lay very very supportive,
but we have to wait I think twenty one days.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I mean, that's insane because so they don't even need
to stand on if the place doesn't exist. I mean,
that's the end of the argument. Give them money back,
conneted you with a place that doesn't exist, and cut
the ticket. That's that end of argument. They're done.

Speaker 10 (01:11:50):
And not only they told us when we rang before
paying the money, they said it's all legit, go ahead.
So they have record of our conversations. Apparently they recorded
their conversations. So we said, we'll go back listen to
your conversations. It's in there somewhere and the gain through
that process, but we don't have a lot of confidence

(01:12:11):
put it their way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah, and I guess it's you know within New Zealand
that you can just go straight to the to the
website of the place. But you know what I mean,
you probably could do that in Powis right. I've never
booked a hotel over on online in Paris, but you know,
would you back yourself to see the place on booking
dot com then go to the actual website of the

(01:12:34):
place and book it directly.

Speaker 10 (01:12:36):
Yeah, we are looking at booking another place, of course.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Slowly.

Speaker 10 (01:12:39):
Websites for the hotels in Paris are and French. You
can translate them so there. There is the language problem,
but we're also we have booked some other places on
booking dot Com where you don't have to pay up front. Yeah,
we just hope that when we get there there we
are have some more to building there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
It's essential, it's essential for accommodation. Yeah, yeah, at existing
is that is the absolute base for me. You know,
before I worry about the quality of the place. I
want it so high demand, but yeah, I want to exist.
This text is Booking dot Com good? I use them
all the time, and this stick says one second, mate,
I'm in sales, says Ben, and I travel three nights

(01:13:16):
away a week. Always use booking dot Com. I'm now
at genius Genie's three level their reward system and roughly
save twenty percent now and I get free breakfasts.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Here you go.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
And it sounds like all his places have existed. Hey,
I've used Booking dot Com maybe more than five hundred times,
never had an issue. You can't say don't use them
because of the odd scam. It's up to the user
to decide. It's easy. Shows you how many reviews each
motel has had. Thanks this texter. Yeah, what's what's the
Latin for buyerbware. Good question. I don't know. I wish

(01:13:50):
I did. Oh one hundred and eighty to eighty. If
you know a nine to nine two? Uh, it's caveat impdoor,
isn't it? Yes, that's it, there's a mark.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
You are also someone who uses Booking dot Com on
a fear fairly regular basis.

Speaker 11 (01:14:06):
Yep, hey, fellows, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Great? Thanks fella, excellent.

Speaker 11 (01:14:11):
Yeah, And I'm away for work probably five days a week,
all year round, all through Australia and New Zealand, and
use those sites so they all end together. Hotels dot Com,
Booking dot Com, they're all the same, Expedia, they're all
the same company. Never ever had a problem if I've

(01:14:32):
had to cancel, even if it's a non cancelation policy,
even if I'd had to leave a day early. You
deal with the motel direct, and if they're a good motel,
they'll give you the money back. But if there are
Generally the only problems I have is in New Zealand
with motalias that are so forthcoming, I guess they won't

(01:14:53):
give you your money back. But anywhere else, if you
check out a day earlier, they'll credit it back to
your account. I get rewards nights, and that's why I
use them. So I stay in hotels every week, and
then I can go to Raura for Christmas, stay in
a five star resort, breakfast included, beach front room, beside

(01:15:15):
the swallowing pool, whatever you want. And my last trip
cost me fifty dollars because I use my reward nights.
So never had never had a problem with these guys,
like I haven't experienced Europe like some of your other
text messages and callers have been talking about. But as
far as Australia and New Zealand go, I can't vault
these these companies like good. And when people like the

(01:15:38):
hotelier says to me, why are you using Why ain't
you ring us direct? We can do a better price,
ninety nine percent of the time the hotel actually can't
do a better price.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
I really We've been getting a lot of hoteliers and
motelias saying that they always match the price.

Speaker 11 (01:15:59):
Yeah, because I'm a platinum member with the Ideal through,
so I get a discount. So and when there's one
place that I'll always go to with work, and they
keep saying to me, just bring us up, we'll do
a better deal. And I'll always look at the price
on the website through my booking site and then bring
them up saying I'm coming for two weeks. What's the price?

(01:16:24):
They remember who I am, et cetera. It's still cheaper
for me to go through my booking agency.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Mark if you don't mind me asking what business are
you in that you're away five nights a week.

Speaker 11 (01:16:36):
I installed for tea cameras around New Zealand and Australia
when they want to sleep. So yeah, keeping keeping New
Zealand roads safe.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Good on you. And do you get what's a life
like that? Like? You know, what's what's your home life like?

Speaker 11 (01:16:53):
You do get sick a living and motels?

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
I can tell you that, yeah, And what are the
breakies like?

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Is it mostly continental or a little bit of step
above some buffet options?

Speaker 11 (01:17:02):
No, they're all buffet options. I generally do it too much,
but no, it's good. You know she used to traveling.
You know the places to book and know the places
not to book as well, so you definitely know you
if it comes up and it's one hundred dollars a night,
definitely don't book that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Yeah, right, So you think these people that's the in
the cargo mother who's booked these tickets to Wanica and
the spent twenty seven and twenty one dollars and the
place doesn't exist. You think that's a rare event in
Australia and New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (01:17:34):
I think so, as I say, I use it weekly.
So yeah, never had a problem. And as a rare event,
you know, they're scammers everywhere. I mean, you just jump
onto Tima or anything else you'd like. You you know,
you order a ten dollars a ten dollars spotlight which
is normally three thousand dollars here in New Zealand for
an led light bar for your highlucks. You just know
that's not going to You know that it's not going

(01:17:54):
to tune up right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Thank you so much for your call mark, appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Great cal We're going to carry this on after three
o'clock eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Text here. I missed the Travago girl. I'd agree with that.
She was lovely.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
She's like the Goes lady, absolutely lovely. Yeah, we missed
the Cravago girl. Keen to hear your stories though New
Sport and weather is coming up. Great to have your
company is always you listening to meton Tyler which you go, yeah,
come back.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Matty
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk sebby.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Gat A to you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Welcome back into the show, seven past three, having a
great chat about booking dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Yeah, that's right after that's poor, that's poor. This's terrible,
the terrible, the shocking, socking, shocking situation, unreal ringing. You're
a couple. I'm booked a through booking dot Com to
go to war Birds over Wonka. Turn up, they pay
two on twenty seven twenty one dollars, just getting the details,
looking around from a bit of paper, Ye, trying to

(01:18:57):
you do it well and they turn up in the
place doesn't exist. I should laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
I shouldn't laugh at that. I mean I really feel
for them. That seems like an incredible show, the Warbirds
over Wanakah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
And so we started this show this topic about half
an hour ago, and there was a lot of people
coming in and saying that they had problems. But then
there's been a huge wave of people pushing back and
saying that Booking dot Com rules. I agree with Mark,
never had an issue with Booking dot Com and agree
that the cost is often better even without platinum stass.
Only thing I would add is that we always confirm

(01:19:29):
directly with the hotel moteil prior to departure to make
sure the booking exists. You see, that's smart. So I
agree booking director is never cheaper. Don't know how when
Booking dot Com takes a commission. So I'd like to
hear from people on that that you know, the moteliers
and hoteliers, because you know, we've got some texts through

(01:19:50):
saying that if you ring them directly, if you see
them on booking dot Com and then you go to
the website and you get hold them directly and say
this is what the Booking dot Com price is, they
say that they will that they will match that price
because they don't have to pay the Booking dot Com
overhead whatever it is, which makes sense commission. Yeah, But
a lot of people saying that's not true. If you're

(01:20:10):
a hotelier, what is the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
Yeah, if you're a hotelier, motalia, if you provide accommodation,
we've got full boards at the moment, but teached us
through nine two ninety two and Andrew will give you
a call back.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Really keen to hear from you. The text says, stop
laughing at people's misfortune.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Everybody laughs at my misfortune, particularly Matt Heath. So if
I get a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
My way, I like someone that will text telling someone
to do something. Stop laughing at people's misfortune. See, that's
just going to make me laugh at people's misfortune. That's
a that's a that's a silly text. That's Karen, Welcome
to the show, Hillari, How are you very good? Thank
you so much for calling so booking dot com.

Speaker 21 (01:20:51):
Yeah, So I.

Speaker 19 (01:20:53):
Booked a property through their site, checked it out. Everything
looked absolutely legit with the property.

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
Once I.

Speaker 19 (01:21:05):
Checked my email that said that it required a fifty
percent deposit to secure that booking, and so I thought, okay,
hadn't really paid any deposits prior to like through other
bookings that I had made, but didn't think too much
of it because it had all come through their platform

(01:21:25):
via their chat ap. I received information via the chat
at saying they require a fifty percent deposit or I
could pay the property in full and get tencent off,
so I thought, oh, yeah, okay. The booking was the
Arrowtown and I decided I decided to pay it in

(01:21:47):
full because it was only about a week and a
half out, and I thought, oh yeah, okay, and I'd
never had any issues prior, so paid the property and
then within forty eight hours, the either Booking dot Com
or the proprietor of the property canceled that booking. So

(01:22:08):
I got onto Booking dot Com. I tried to took
hours to try find the phone number, try to get
through to anybody who could give me some information. And
they said, oh, no, the property has been canceled. And
I said, that's not the issue. I've paid for this property.
So they said, yeah, okay, well we can. We'll get
your money back. But I had to try and dispute it.

(01:22:31):
I had to try to dispute this through the bank,
et cetera. But I sent through all of my paperwork
to them with the bank details, all of the information.
Then it's been hours and hours and hours back forth
back forth. It's been six weeks now and in the

(01:22:53):
last week they have actually blocked access to my account.
So they've blocked access to my account today actually, and
I've only called because Marm listens to you and she's like,
you need to get on the phone and give these
people a cool.

Speaker 17 (01:23:14):
Im.

Speaker 13 (01:23:16):
She'll be listening.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Yeah, Jenny, Hey, Jenny, on your Jenny.

Speaker 13 (01:23:23):
So yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:23:23):
And this morning I.

Speaker 19 (01:23:25):
Rang spent twenty minutes waiting on the phone because I
had sent like every single email that I send, I
get no reply. I'm back on the phone going have
you got my documents? Then I got information saying yes,
we've got your documents, and then it's no, we don't

(01:23:46):
have your documents. And the information is so inconsistent, and
I've had no clarity throughout this whole process. Every single
person I speak to, I'm having to repeat the story
again and again and again. I've been cut off on
the phone probably four or five times after you explain

(01:24:06):
the situation and then you cut off. This morning, I rang,
I was hung up on this morning, and then I
rang again this afternoon when I had a bit of
a break another twenty minutes. Then the person was like, oh,
we can't hear you. I can't hear you on the phone,
And I could hear kind of a little bit of feedback,
and you could almost like hear the person pausing to

(01:24:28):
wait for me to talk, and they said, oh, we'll
give you a call. We'll call you back on this number.
Keep your line free. But I know that I won't
hear from them. But they haven't taken any responsibility that
the actual property is fraudulent. So the property itself is
for sale at the moment, and the people that were

(01:24:50):
the agents that are selling it, they apparently had we
got in contact with them, they had tried to get
that listing removed and Booking dot Com didn't want to
know about it. Then the listing finally was removed. It
took a couple of weeks for that listing. It was
still on my booking app at south but it took

(01:25:11):
a couple of weeks for them to take that off
because I said, look, how do I know that my
data is secure? How do I know that my information
hasn't been fished?

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
You know?

Speaker 19 (01:25:20):
And who knows what people are doing with my bank cards?
So all of that had to get canceled and it's
been an absolute nightmare. I would never ever book with
them ever again. I'm still in a fight with them
trying to get the money back. It was five hundred
and thirty eight dollars so yeah, still trying to get
the money back. They just they've taken zero responsibility, accountability,

(01:25:45):
nothing under the consumer guarantees that they don't want to
know about it. You're put on hold. It takes half
an hour to get through to anybody, and then you
just every single time, it's an automated response back saying oh,
we're so sorry, We're so sorry miss Taylor or korin
for that this has happened to you, And I'm like,
I just want my money back. But it's not particularly

(01:26:08):
thing like that it's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Yeah, that that sucks. That that is really rough and frustrating.
So it can't be too hard to set yourself up
as a vendor on booking dot com. I guess not.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
There's not too many checks and balances, so.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
You don't actually prove that you own the property or
you know, you can just tap it up, you know,
is it like a Facebook profile. It's interesting and then
the money goes in. It seems like it seems rife
with scamming, but there are just so many people texting
through saying that they absolutely love it. Yeah, so maybe
it's one of those situations. If you use it, you
have to use it to your advantage and poor Corn

(01:26:46):
that that that sucks. But but in future, if you're
using it, you So many people are saying, I use
booking dot Com, but I make sure I call the
hotel and make sure that the booking exists. Yeah, I
mean it's kind of you know, it sucks obviously because
you'd like to just get it done.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Absolutely, But I like the idea of using booking dot
Com to find that hotel and like you do, and
then to wring them and do the dirty on Booking
dot Com because it sounds like the Booking dot Com
is doing the dirty on good people like Corn. So
use the platform to your advantage and don't give them money.
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty though, if you're a
big fan of Booking dot Com, love to hear from you.
It is a quarter past three news talk zby very

(01:27:25):
good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Here's a hotelier who says, I always give my guests
a better price for direct customers. After all, then I
don't need to pay the commission, GST, etcetera. Says Sharon.
I'm not sure she's a halliet hotelier. I don't know
what kind of place she runs, but yes, she always
gives guests that rang the director the price that's on
booking dot Com.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
And this one says, kDa, guys, I can't see how
you can be a fake profile with booking dot Com.
I rent out my place when I'm not there. I
had to provide proof of ownership and verify bank details,
et cetera. Booking dot Com collects the money and pays
the vendor a month after the stay day. I would
recommend only using with vendors with genius status ensures everyone

(01:28:08):
safety all around. Heard a lot about that genius status
gets you free bricky apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Yeah right, So I tell you what, I'm a big
fan of these days. I went away from them, now
I'm back with them. Okay. Travel agents, travel agents, travel agents.
They just sort the whole thing out, and you've got
a direct content and you want to make changes, you
want to do everything. It just takes everything out of
the out of your hands instead of being your own

(01:28:33):
travel agent going around researching, finding things.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
You know, it's just a broker for your holiday, isn't
it really?

Speaker 19 (01:28:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
How do they actually get paid? I think it's a
little bit of commission based.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean it must be, but I'm
loving I'm organizing a big trip at the moment. Yeah,
travel agent all the way, freaking love it. We're you
off to?

Speaker 12 (01:28:53):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
We' are you off to? Where's a big trip? Ieyr
business man. I'll talk to your travel agent. Oh eight
one hundred and eighty eighty, you are not coming, tailand Ross,
welcome to the show today.

Speaker 13 (01:29:04):
Don't start me on, bloody travel agents. That's another day.

Speaker 12 (01:29:07):
Okay, I should make your socks melk mates. I've got
two booking through one of those. It's not booking dot
com this time is another one running at the moment.
Ones in Wellington, On's in Timoru and everything's fine.

Speaker 13 (01:29:28):
I did one in Sydney or a few months ago.
I must be close to twelve, I suppose.

Speaker 12 (01:29:34):
And I got the option to either pay online to
the booking company or pay to the hotel when I
got there.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
And I did pay to the hotel.

Speaker 5 (01:29:43):
When I got there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Right, do you know what what what organization that was?

Speaker 13 (01:29:50):
Ross? Are the one in Sydney? It was booking dot Com.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
I was booking dot com right, Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:29:55):
The ones I'm using now that because they're all you know,
they're competing against each other as bier.

Speaker 12 (01:30:01):
I think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Yeah, and so what in the hotels say or what
did you say to the hotel when they couldn't match
the price?

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Did you say?

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
What a out the commission? You're not paying any commission
to booking dot com.

Speaker 13 (01:30:10):
Now, I didn't bother. I didn't bother. No, you know,
they made the decision. So that was the end of that.

Speaker 12 (01:30:19):
And I might try that on next time. I'm not
in the radio business, so I'm not that devious, but.

Speaker 13 (01:30:25):
I could try to be. Yeah, but yeah, so no,
I'm happy so far. Yeah, I've got I've got a
thing from the hotel saying on bookedrim on both of them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Yeah, I'll get on yours sometime in the future. I'll
get you to mount my socks with the travel agent story. Yeah,
I'm wearing Norse wear socks though hard to kiwi wool
Jesus and I will take it that that travel agent story,
but have to be pretty spicy. Tomount these nor today
is the number to call. It is twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
I'm that heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on youth Talk zenb.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Very good afternoon two twenty four past three. You give
you some great stories about the use of Booking dot
Com and some not so great stories.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Yeah, and I'm getting a little laugh because I said,
I'm back with the travel agents. Yeah, good on your Matt.
We're travel agents, brokers, lots of happy clients who get
peace of mind dealing with us cheers. See, that's the thing.
I like to just make sure everything's absolutely sordid, and
they've I've got a contact that's working for me. So
I love a travel agent. Screw going around and researching

(01:31:42):
and looking at places and wondering if they exist or not,
and going through dirty third partiers. Just a nickel and
dime a few bucks. Although, to be pure, a travel
ator is kind of a third partier. But there's someone
you know and you get a relationship with them and
you can just ring them up and they seem they
appear to care. If booking dot Com is genuine and
they are getting fake properties through their site, then they

(01:32:02):
should keep the money for a certain timeframe so if
anything goes wrong, they can quickly reimburse the customer to
save their reputation. Something is going wrong with us. I
thought they did. I thought they kept the money for
a month.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Yeah, someone did text through when they use their a
vendor width Booking dot Com and they said if I
can find it that they hold the money for a month.
So there's no excuse for this poor couple from Rangiora
who have been stitched up by a fake listening.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Matt, My travel agent is my wife and she does
the absolute best job. And then some stuff that's not
for the public. Oh okay, spine interesting, thank you Ray
wowooh you guys do have a good time on holiday.
That's a great wife you've got there. Ring Kevin, welcome
to the church. Hey you have it going goods. You

(01:32:48):
use Booking dot Com? Yeah, I do.

Speaker 5 (01:32:51):
We've been using them for a number of years now.
Whenever I go on the assession I do was I
sel for out having to pay now? So as a
previous call said, I only do it, so only pay
at the property. Yep, just do a credit card with
Booking dot Com just to hold the property and options
to cancel without paying. Your phase. Most of the time

(01:33:12):
when we're booking hotels is traveling around for had spawning
events and I some reason the team calls out or
they get injured. That way, you don't don't get stung
with the hotel fee. But what's happened a couple of
times recently is then I'll get a phone call actually
direct from the hotel offering me a better price with
the same turns and conditions.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Right right, And I wonder if that's is that being
a bit cheeky but naughty from them? Can Booking dot
Com have a go at either of you for for
connecting like that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:41):
I don't know, but it saves me money and I
guess it's saved save the hotel money as well by
going direct.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Well, they don't have to pay the commission to Booking
dot Com. So then they cancel, and they cancel the
booking and then send you a direct booking.

Speaker 5 (01:33:57):
Wow, I'll cancel the booking and then then book direct
with them under the same turns and conditions. I for
some reason there's an injury or you can't travel.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Then you kids with all these injuries given, well, thankfully.

Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
They haven't got that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:13):
Used to be athletics. Now it's basketball. The other daughter
does dancings that go around for dance competitions around the
North Island.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
But there's a few injuries here and there. What was, so,
did you say slid x athletics athletics athletics?

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
I thought like some sort of extreme sport, like they
were sledding down hills, and it was they were going
over jumps.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
I thought, there's your problem.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
No, nothing, nothing that exciting. So traditionally it was Colgo
games or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Aslets is the thing. I've just looked at that thanks
to you call Vin. It's interesting. So the the hotel goes,
I've got this booking through these booking dot Com things,
I'm going to play the duty on them, flip around
the other side, ring up the client and offer them
the same price for that all for that. Who wouldn't
say yes if they gave you a better deal? Sharon?

(01:35:05):
Who I called a hotelier before she's in an a
BnB owner? Ah okay, sorry, makes sense, Sorry for defaming you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
Plenty of texts coming through on nine to nine two.
My text machine just melted down, but there was a
great text here. Actually we'll get to it after the headlines,
because Wendy's standing by what we're taking your calls on, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty do you use booking dot Com?
Have you run into any scams and has the hotel
called you directly after booking on Booking dot Com and

(01:35:35):
giving you a better deal.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Yeah, we still want to talk to a hotelier a Motalia,
an AIRBNBA that offers the same deal YEP as Booking
dot Com if you took them directly.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of call.
It's twenty eight past three.

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Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
Thanks Wendy, So found the text that I missed before,
and it's a doozy and here it is. My house
was fraudulently listed on Booking dot Com last year. Someone
had copied the listing from my Airbnb listing, but as
that didn't show my address, they had used a different
address in the same town. When you looked on Google
you could see it was a totally different house. The
host was asking people to pay direct I had messages

(01:37:33):
on my Airbnb asking why I was showing it as
available on New Year's Eve on Booking dot Com but
not on Airbnb. And that's how I found out. When
I called Booking dot Com many times in camps, every
time repeating the story multiple times, getting cut off, told
to email, then getting no response, over and over again.
I even contacted someone I know that works for a
related company in New Zealand and he sent it to

(01:37:54):
a senior manager in Europe. Even with all of this,
it has only just been removed. I would never ever
book with booking dot Com.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
Oh my god, I just remembered something this happened to me.
I totally forgot. So I was at my house and
I got a knock on the door and there was
this guy that had just come from India, just got
off the plane and he was there with his three kids,
and they had booked the house. You're kidding and showed
me I don't know what website it was, it wasn't

(01:38:23):
booking dot Com, but showed me picture of the outside
of the house, and then he showed me all the
rooms from inside the house, which were a different picture.
And he was going to me, I've booked this house,
and I said, well, no, you haven't, because I don't.
I live here. Yeah, this is my house, is my house.
This is non renting. He's not listed anywhere. And I
felt so sorry for him because he had nowhere to
go with his three three kids, and he'd paid, he'd

(01:38:45):
paid for a month or something. He'd paid thousands of dollars.
Poor guy. So we were sitting there with all the luggage.
There's three kids in time. The luggage was in a
rental car. Yeah, so yeah, I wonder what happened to
their family. But it had all these the whole inside
laid out way more rooms than that. The house had

(01:39:06):
like five bedrooms, all this kind of stuff. Had had
a room that had a like a church window, you know,
like a stained glass window. Beautiful. So I just I said,
look through the door, mate, this is not the same
place as in your pictures. The outsides are the same,
but the insides are not. And yeah, it's not real. Yeah,
I forgot that happened to me. Yeah. And then he

(01:39:26):
sat out in his car with his family for like hours,
and I was like, I was like, what can I
do to help? It wasn't you know? You didn't do
anything to him. I had nothing to do with me. Yeah,
there was no room at the heathen. I kept on
looking at the peering out the windows. There's still there,
still there. Sorry, buddy, do you know what if I
was a better person, I would have invited them into stay.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Well, yeah, I mean, do you really want three random
kids running around in your house?

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
An old mate?

Speaker 7 (01:39:51):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is another to call money.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (01:39:56):
Hi, Well, I am a window. Actually I have a
home in Queenstown and it's happened to be a couple
of times with dicking dot Com.

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
But I wanted to support.

Speaker 21 (01:40:06):
Booking dot Com and saying and they realized that they
had double booked, they had actually given those two families
better accommodation at a discount.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
Right, So did you say you're you are a venda?

Speaker 21 (01:40:21):
Yeah, yeah, I've got a home in Queenstown which we
do Airbnb with And it happened to me twice, and
both the times Booking dot Com has actually given the
other family which had double booked, a better place to
stay with a discount.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
You know, many a part of my ignorance. But if
you're on Airbnb, why no the ABNB?

Speaker 21 (01:40:47):
I'm sorry, I said Abnb it's another booking agent.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Okay, sorry, that's good.

Speaker 21 (01:40:56):
Kind of I'm with a real estate agent. And so
it comes upon Trabago and Booking dot Com and all
those places, so it was double booked. It happened only
twice in the last probably nine years.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
Okay, so you're very happy with booking dot Com.

Speaker 21 (01:41:12):
Yes, And also I must tell you my son who's
actually an MMA fighter, booked his place from New Zealand
because he went to Detroit for a fight and he
booked through booking dot Com.

Speaker 13 (01:41:26):
And it's also it Oh how good.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
And if someone contacts you directly many do you give
them the same prices you'd give as that pay on
Booking dot Com or do you just want to keep it?

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
You do?

Speaker 8 (01:41:39):
No?

Speaker 21 (01:41:39):
I mean you know that home is something we use
and most of my friends who live in Wellington and
Auckland use it for free, right, and once in a
while we do get We get a lot of people
because it's very close.

Speaker 5 (01:41:52):
To town and everything in Queenstown.

Speaker 21 (01:41:55):
But both the times this has happened, Booking dot Com
has been you know, they kind of emailed my agent
and the agent has said, sorry, this has been booked.
So Booking dot Com contacted those people. I only know
of outed because my agent told me this. Yeah, they
had given them a better prize and they had also
given them a better accommodation. O.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
It's great to hear that it works out well for you.
The goes. We're getting all kinds of I guess in
any massive, massive organization, there's going to be the odd
hack up, right, Yeah, And we and we hear about
the hackups. We hear about the terrible things. We hear
about these people that have paid twenty seven hundred and
twenty one dollars to go to war Birds over Wonka

(01:42:38):
up from a Vericago and ringing Aura and then they
the place doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
It's a sad story. Yeah, I mean you feel for them, Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
But I'm I'm quite shocked by the amount of just
absolute love that's coming through.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
For Booking dot Com, this text has an interesting point. Hi,
we had a motel. On several occasions, anyone who made
a booking for three or more days, we would ring
them and offer them cheaper rates by booking direct. They
an overseas organization and very very hard to deal with.
If you're using the Internet looking for a motel, hotel somewhere,
Booking dot Com are always top of the search. I

(01:43:15):
would never book through them. To go through the property
directly and ringing our customers back goes a long way
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
Marylyn says, hey, guys, a good travel agent any day.
I have booked several big tours through a travel agent.
I researched online first, so I have a rough idea
where I want to go, where I want to stay,
and what I think it should cost. I'm always very
presently surprised when the travel agent quotes come back better
than I anticipated and generally cheaper, particularly flights. I've noticed
I can often get cheaper through a travel agent. Saves

(01:43:45):
a lot of hassle. I use booking dot Com within
New Zealand occasionally, but I would never use it for
an overseas trip. Don't want to get off the red
eye and find I've got nowhere to sleep. Also great
support of flights are canceled, etc. At Marylynd. Yeah, I
mean it's good great having someone you know you can ring.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
Absolutely go the travel agents, and I think we might
have a travel agent on the line, so we'll get
to them very It is twenty one to four.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Have a chat with the lads on eighty Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Used talk s eighteen to four. We're a host family
and Booking dot Com only pays us four times a year,
and Airbnb pay after each guest has been there one day.
We love MMB for their promptness and honesty. We're Booking
dot Com are using everybody's money as long as possible,
sucking up the interest. Yeah, booking confirmed. Booking dot Com

(01:44:39):
confirmed my booking in Texas months before travel a week out.
I call property no record of my booking garter, Sharon,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 22 (01:44:50):
Good afternoon. I'm the person that sends you the text
about who directly booked with me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
You're the one that I act and correctly called a
hotel here.

Speaker 13 (01:44:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:45:01):
I'll forgive you.

Speaker 22 (01:45:02):
I'm also not also not abn host. There's such a
use to but not only long ago. But yeah, I
prefer direct bookings because then, as you say, people have
actually know they've spoken to somebody actually any place exists,
so it's authentic, which is a big thing these days.
But in regards to as somebody who has a guest,

(01:45:27):
I prefer Booking dot Com because they don't like Airbnb,
ch as U GST. Sometimes the cleaning fee service fee
e s T and it really racks up the price.
Booking dot Com don't change the exists that as such.
But also with Booking dot Com, I don't have to
wait a month for my payment. I'm actually allowed to

(01:45:50):
take credit card payments myself.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
You are an upper echelon member sharing, well, I don't
know about.

Speaker 22 (01:45:59):
That, but they for years they've allowed me to do this,
and I have. It was a machine like a post machine,
And the day they personally arrived, I put through the
pavements because they give me the checkerit card details the
day of the person arriving, not beforehand, you know, for
safety reasons, but of the day they arrive, and I
can process it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
But you know, when we're all round and you if
someone rings you up and says, can I get the
Booking dot Com price, do you say yep?

Speaker 22 (01:46:30):
Oh, I usually go under that. I mean I get gifts.
Your corporate guests come and stay at my bed and
breakfast and they email me because I've had them here
staying beforehand, and I always give them a really good price. Yeah,
it's definitely always under the Booking dot Com price because
Booking dot Com park charge twenty five percent commission.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
Sy right, would you ever do what some people have
been saying happens to them. They make a booking through
booking dot com. Next thing, you know, they get a
phone call from the establishment, the accommodation saying do you
want to do you want to just do it directly?
Direct would you do that?

Speaker 22 (01:47:06):
I've never done it because I've never well, I guess
it's okay, but it doesn't sort of sit right with me.
But you know, I mean, I'm trying to be as
ethical age you can be. But yeah, if people want
to do that, that's their business, their business. They don't
how they like to do it, but I've never done it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Now, Sharon, would you like to describe your place and
what's what it's called, just in case someone wants to
come and stay.

Speaker 22 (01:47:33):
I've been before and.

Speaker 13 (01:47:34):
Told you ordered this, but.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
I think you have.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
That right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
No, KI perviews, higher views, of course, Sharon. How could
I forget previews?

Speaker 5 (01:47:52):
Not expected to remember but lodge.

Speaker 22 (01:47:56):
So, yeah, we get a lot of people directly booking.
It's just so much easier, and it's really nice to
speak to the gifts, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
Yeah, well, I mean it's the great thing that have
been in breakfast, isn't it is?

Speaker 17 (01:48:05):
The Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
You know, you get to ask the the proprietor a
few questions about the area, and.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Such stunning views. I've got to say, Sharon, beautiful.

Speaker 22 (01:48:14):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (01:48:15):
We're very fortunate. They are beautiful views.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
All right. I think if you call and I will
remember you forever.

Speaker 18 (01:48:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
Kuiper reviews Eco Lodge go check them out nine point
seven on Booking dot Com. Exceptional whole nine point seven
out of ten. Doesn't get better than.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
That hyperview Eco Lodge. Love it beautiful, Drew.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
Now you are you a travel agent? I am fantastic
to chat with you. We're hearing a lot of good
things about travel agents. So is business booming for you
at the moment?

Speaker 4 (01:48:44):
It is, Actually, it's going really well.

Speaker 23 (01:48:47):
The one thing I have to say about this whole
Booking dot Com, I mean, there's a great it's a
great search engine. But the trouble is that half of
these websites like that Booking dot Com. Expedia is different
because it's a dot co.

Speaker 13 (01:49:00):
Dot and Z.

Speaker 23 (01:49:01):
We actually, as agents get get agency supports. So if
there is a problem with the property or you know,
client's not happy, we can actually push back and go
back and help them out. Whereas these other ones, they're
you know, they're based in Germany.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
Sweden, you know, all over the world.

Speaker 23 (01:49:20):
And like that caller you had about half an hour
ago where she paid money and she's trying to communicate
with them, they you will not talk to a human.
So the thing is with us as travel agents that
if I get somebody coming to me saying I've seen
this property, I'd really like to stay there, I look
at what price I can get if it's in COUI
with what price they're getting online, I'll just match it,

(01:49:43):
or sometimes I'm coming in in even under. But the
thing is is that the aftercare, the aftercare is zero
with these websites where you know you need some help
with something or something's gone wrong, you know, there's too
much there's too much trust from Kiwi's with these websites
as oh yeah, I know she'll be right kind of attitude.
It's when something goes wrong is where somebody like me

(01:50:07):
will go.

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
To for you. And that's where you know the value
is now drew.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
How does a travel agent make their money.

Speaker 23 (01:50:18):
Well, we get kickbacks from the property. So nine times
out of ten, you know, if you see a room
for two point fifty a nights on Expedia, I'll get
the same.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
Rate, right, and then there's really there's really no.

Speaker 23 (01:50:31):
Benefit other than taking on liability for yourself to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
So the travel agent travelange. I should know this because
I'm using a travel agent at the moment, but I
haven't been thinking about this. So there's no additional cost
for using the travel agent. You guys get the money
back on the accommodation, on the on the on the
kickback on the flights as well.

Speaker 23 (01:50:49):
Assume it depends on the agency. There are some agencies
out there that do charge fees for booking with them.

Speaker 4 (01:50:57):
I don't do that.

Speaker 23 (01:50:58):
The kickback that I get from the airlines and the
properties and the cruisers and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
So why wouldn't someone is enough. I'm trying to understand
this now because I went away and and the people were,
you know, calling the end of the travel agent businessman
for a while there, weren't they so people saying it
was over. But it seems to have really made a comeback.
And I guess that's why. Because sure, you can spend
your time trolling around the internet and finding all the
places and going through booking dot Com and take whatever.

(01:51:24):
But if you can hand that off to someone else
who's an expert and it's not going to cost you anything,
and you've got all that extra sport you're talking about, Drew,
then that seems like a no brainer to me.

Speaker 23 (01:51:34):
Well it is, but there's a lot of it is
with any industry, you know, you get you get burnt.

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
By a certain individuals.

Speaker 23 (01:51:42):
I mean, I pride myself on the repeat business, I guess,
and the people that trust me and what I do,
and the last thing I want is you coming back
and complaining about your trip and saying this was not good,
this was crap. I vet everything to the nth degree
so I don't get any problems. I mean, there are
problems that you get with travel. It's just inherent of

(01:52:03):
the of the of the beast. But you know, if
generally I vet everything so that you know, the people
that travel under my business have a great time and
they come back and then they promote me even more.

Speaker 17 (01:52:17):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:52:18):
I mean I generally deal with the.

Speaker 23 (01:52:20):
Higher end clients anyway, so they don't really want to
do it all themselves. So you know, that's the other thing.
I mean that the a couple of the guys that
are calling up. You know, are booking motels and things
like that. Sure, I mean I bought properties locally in
New Zealand. When I'm going camping and I want a
night before and I book a motel for a night,

(01:52:40):
sure I do that, but I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
I certainly don't use it for overseas travel.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Brilliant. And what's the name of your your situation. What's
the name of your company your business?

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
So it's luxury cruise and will travel.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
Luxury cruise and will travel right? Well, thank you? Think
of you cool.

Speaker 12 (01:52:59):
See.

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Maybe I'm just a lazy person, but I love using
a travel agent. I love to hand everything off to
someone else to sort out.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Just the very fair and what he said and why
you use a travel agent is if anything goes wrong,
they are there to sort out your problems for you.
I can see the appeal of that. Absolutely. I e
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
Plenty of teach coming through as.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Well, Linda says. Been listening for a while and hearing
how vendors who have a contract with Booking dot Com
wring the client and cheat Booking dot Com out of
their commission to me, that is theft and dishonest, and
I doubt that in their contract with the company they
are not meant to do it. When they list their
property with Booking dot Com, they are getting their property
worldwide exposure. I think the small commission they pay Booking

(01:53:41):
dot Com for that. Man, I've said, booking dot Com
a lot this South for that exposure would save them
a lot of money. As they had to advertise their
property individually in every city and town in every country.
It would cost a fortune. The vendors are paying for
the service. Yeah, but they're an overseas company, so thank you. Yeah. Yeah,
you know, we want to look up to Keywi company.
So if a Keemunity company can make more money, then

(01:54:03):
I'm all for it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
Nicely said as eight minutes to fall back very shortly,
you're listening to Matton Tyler the big.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 17 (01:54:17):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
It is six to four. Couple of techts to wrap
this one up. Get a champs. I use Booking dot
Com a lot for local and worldwide travel. If I
book a new hotel. I'll usually take the option to
pay on site in case the hotel is not good.
I used a travel agent just before COVID and they
absolutely ripped us off. Seven family members going to wit
Sunday's flights, etc. Was in the thousands and didn't get

(01:54:43):
a cent back. They took our money and we'll never
use that particular company again. Last year, we used another
travel agent to book business class trip to Spain going
via Istanbul, and they hiked up the price to what
I could have got, but gave them the benefit of
the doubt. And most importantly, they didn't tell us about
the fees. Oh sorry, the free hotline that was part

(01:55:05):
of the booking with Turkish Airlines for two nights. When
question the travel agent, she was so unhelpful with no apologies.
I have a big trip coming up across Europe and
a total of eighteen flights. I could not get a
travel agents agent quote.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Yeah right, I got sent. I got sent an invoice
from a travel agent after I decided not to use
them for her time quoting me four hundred dollars. I
didn't pay. I saved myself twenty two hundred dollars over
a ten thousand dollars. Quote, they have their place for
some people and some types of multi stop vocation vacations.
You well, that's what Drew was saying. I mean that
that person's not going to get their repeat business? Are

(01:55:40):
they exactly like one of the good ones? That's all right, Well,
thank you so much for listening to the show. Everyone,
Thanks so much for all your calls and texts. The
full Mattintile Afternoons podcast will be out in an hour.
So if you missed our chats on how much teachers
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(01:56:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
So it's about a Crosby steals a Nash teach your children.
Fantastic chat about teachers. They are the best of us,
not all of them, some of them are.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Yes, so so my metalwork teacher have sold her at
me once mine, Joe, I have did it?

Speaker 4 (01:56:30):
What was her name? I?

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
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