Full Show Podcast: 14 March 2025

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Hello, are you great New Zealand? It is the podcast
numbers are we are number eighty seven eighty seven for Friday,
the fourteenth of March twenty twenty five. So it's the
IDEs of March tomorrow. Well, what is the odds of March?
So IDEs means halfway through a month. So the IDEs
of March is famous for always be associated when Julius
Caesar was murdered, right, assassinated and murdered. I've got some

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recommended reading for you. Please Setoniusconius Tranquilius, The Lives of
the Twelve Caesars. Yeah, there's a new translation out from
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you've got the Life of Caligula, Julius Caesar, you've got
a bunch of other Tiberius twelve written in Hadrian's time,

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so written in you know, eighty one fifty and it's
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from the Rest's History podcast looks good four out of
five by good Reads. Yes, well, not everyone's going to
love it because it was written, you know, nineteen hundred
years ago, so it's a bit challenging, and also it's

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good reads. Yeah it's fast, it's fast. It gets through
the thing anyway, but that's another topic. Fantastic show today.
We invented new tune chumpers for charity dumpers. We for
some reason gave a whole hour of promotion for she
had a good band, I got out of hand a
little bit, and also had a great chat on PPP

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and tolls and tolls and bridges. Yeah. So yeah, lots
of really really good calls today. So I hope you
enjoy the show. Set to download, subscribe, follow, do all
that stuff if you feel like it, and have a
fantastic weekend. Love you bye.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
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Speaker 3 (02:12):
Be good after noon. Welcome into the show Friday afternoon.

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Always feel good on a Friday. Get a Mardy diet
a Tyler Good everyone. This is a nice text.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
A long time follow of Mett Heath, I've always thought
his cheeks look very soft and supple. I'll have to
try a beef tellow. So that soft looking cheeks, I've
got to say thank you, thank you as.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Supple as well, you know, because you want a bit
of elasticity and your cheeks.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
It's healthy. These are facial cheeks we're talking about here. Listeners,
don't worry about it. Yeah, but yeah, we've been men
and Tyler have been rubbing beef tellow on our faces.
Now it's the it's the new it's the new fad
for men's beauty.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yep as rubbing beef tellow on your This is going
to be a regular afternoon session for us.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Now.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
We even got Jason Wolves, the political editor, and on it.
I don't know how he felt about it. Now he's
got to go back to that investment Summit's smelling like
beef teller.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
It smells beautiful beef teller, it does. And you know,
meteaters love you. I got so holy Cower sent me
some Tello skin barm from Carwa Kawa. What was that
other one we were talking about the other day. We
had a fantastic call from a mum who said her
daughter made some sweet New Zealand beef Tellow. I believe
it was nourishment by Nina, Nourishment by Nina. I'm sure
it was nourishment by Nina. Nourish by Nina. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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So wherever you are, whoever you are, get some beef
Tellow on your face.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
A lot of people in the Tellow game. It turns out, yeah,
very good and thank you. Right on to today's show
after three o'clock, as we always do on a Friday,
New Zealander of the Week, and we also play topical
tunes where Matt and I each bigger song related to
a theme of the week. First the three via Phone
takes it out, but we also want to ask the question.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
What is the greatest New Zealand band of all time?
Because she hard of finishing up after thirty seven years
they started in nineteen eighty eight. A lot of people
be shocked by that. Yeah, they have been this maybe
not shocked that they're packing it in, but shocked that
they've been around for thirty seven years. They've been the
soundtrack to a lot of people's lives in New Zealand.

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So they've got that huge sold out show. It's Bucketina
and Auckland tonight and then they're playing at the Final
Level Homeground in Wellington on Saturday night, which will be
a fantastic show. But are they our greatest ever band
of all time? Six number one albums, the most ever
top forty hits of any band in New Zealand's they're right? Yeah,

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hundreds and probably thousands of shows and the fantastic live band. Yeah,
they've touched the hearts of a lot of keyweeks. Are
they our greatest ever rock bound?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yep, that's a great question, certainly right up there, but
that is after three o'clock. After two o'clock, we want
to talk about those people who dump trash and rubbish
outside of charity still.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, that's right. Our producer Andrew, he's come up the
name for them, chumpers. Yeah, they're charity dumpers. They're chumps.
It's so cruel. There's a woman facing a four hundred
dollars fine for doing it, and look, if you read
the article, she seems to be a little bit was
a little bit confused about it, and she might not
have been dumping maliciously, but even so, you feel sorry
for those people running charity shops that they arrive on

(05:27):
Monday morning, and they're looking, let's get stuck into doing
some charity. It's Monday, let's get going. And there's a stinky, old,
soiled couch out the front. There's four thousand copies of
Dan Brand's the Davici Code that they can't do anything with.
There's a whole lot of broken crockery and they've got
to deal with it them. You've made it their problem.
You're treating a charity store like a dump. Take it

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to the charity store when they're open and they'll tell
you if they want it or not.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
It was quite specific about Dan brown'store. I take it
as a story behind that metthe.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I tried to give a lot of books to a
prison at one point and they didn't want any of
my Dan Brown.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
If a prison doesn't make it, yeah, right that is
after two o'clock, because right now, let's have a chat
about road tolling. It's on the back of this invest
mint summit. So the government has told the international investors
that have come here at once they're helping deciding on
the options for a second Auckland Harbor crossing Chris Bishop,
who is the Minister of Infrastructure.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
He went on to tall.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Attendees that the government was exploring tolling concessions to speed
uproad construction. All roads of national significance are being assessed
for tolling.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
So private public partnerships. When you go into a private
public partnership, as a country, you're the public side of it,
but the private side of it wants to make their
money back, so they're investing a lot. We have to
pay them back, and one of the ways as tolls.
So you know, there's been a lot of talk about
the fifteen Roads of National significance. If they are a
private public partnership, they're more than likely going to have

(06:52):
tolls on them. So how do you feel about it?
Do you feel good? Would you? I mean? Or do
you think, Look, I already pay my taxes, already pay
a tax on my fuel outcome. I'm also having to
play a toll for this road. Or do you think
beautiful roads going to make my life better? Happy to
cough up?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, I would be leaning into the second column, I think,
And I'm someone hand up that I don't travel on
toll roads that often or at all, but I like
the idea of user pays that if you're using a
road on a regular basis and you've got to pay
two bucks each way.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Then that money is going directly into a road that
you are using versus everybody else stead of chipping in
it. It just seems to be a fairer way to do it. Then,
you know, they're talking about this congestion charging situation that
seems messy and complex and unfair and a whole bunch
of fish hooks, and we're tolling.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
It's just easy. Yeah, I mean it used to be
called back in the days. And I was in Bangkok
not so long ago, and you're still throwing coin coins
into the the guy as you drive through. That's pretty cool.
So toll roads on as fun as they used to be,
it would just happen automatically. I guess you'll pay. We'll
pay either way. So either we pay by tolls or

(08:00):
and as you say specifically to the people that are
using it, paid by tolls, or we borrow all the
money and then all of us pay it back and
we end up paying anyway.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, because I think correct me if I'm wrong. But
how they do it with some of the tolls in
the North Island and further Northland is if you're a
heavy user of transport, you get a concession, don't you?
Or you can pay a yearly fee that's a little
bit less than pain each time you go through that toll.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Which makes sense to get another subscription of subscription to
the new Auckland Harbour Cross crossing. Get a yearly subscription
and save twenty percent on your toll roads. A subscription
to walkward to Welsford. Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
How do you feel about the idea? Did you get
a nationwide subscription so you also get the Hawks Bay
Expressway in.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Oh, you get a combo deal, the combo deal of
the three toll roads and save fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
I'm down for that. I hope bypass.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Love to hear from you on this one. O. Eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is totlling the way forward.
We all know that we need to step up when
it comes to these infrastructure projects and highways. Is that
a fair way to do it? Or do you see
some problems with it? Love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
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Speaker 1 (09:11):
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Speaker 2 (09:25):
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
We're talking about the idea of toll roads for our
roads of national significance.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
The government are pretty hot on it.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
They have told investors at this International Investors Summit that
they want their help in deciding on the options for
a second Auckland Harbor crossing. But Chris Bishop, the Minister
of Infrastructure, has also told attendees the government was exploring
tolling concessions to speed up these roading construction projects and
all roads of national significance are being assessed for tolling options.

(09:56):
So is it a good idea to help pay for
some of these highways that we desperately need?

Speaker 6 (10:01):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, and if you remember the Auckland Harbor Bridge toll,
how do that work? I bentioned? So that was just
a driving past at pace having a coin in there?
Is that how it worked? Ordered with their big cues
to go through. When did they stop tolling that? Now
that that's a good question. Yeah, when did they stop
tolling the Ukland Harbor Bridge. Was it paid off?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Some great texts coming through on nine to nine two.
This one says, hey, guys, toll roads are a great
way to get new infrastructure delivered quicker. However, the original
also must be in place. People must be given the alternative.
Forcing people onto toll roads is a force tax, and

(10:42):
that is wrong. You want a better option, pay if
you don't, don't use it from Anthony.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, okay, very good, and.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
I think that is part of the deal. If you've
got a toll roads, you need to provide an alternative.
But oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Greg, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (11:01):
Good?

Speaker 8 (11:01):
Thanks guys. Where you think toll roads are a great
idea and I think they should be if you can
get the road built faster. You know, they were talking
about building the harbor Bridge and the or the tunnel
whatever it is, and the Northern Toll Road built them together,
get two lots of people in it, and I don't
care if they're told. What frustrates me, though, is we
have three toll roads in the country at the moment,

(11:22):
and two of them are in Taroga and the new
road they're building is going to be the third toll
road in Taroga, and there's only going to be sex
toll roads and New Zealand at this stage. And I
wrote to the Minister of Transport about it, saying, look,
it's all well and good tolling grades, but you're going
to have to make a little bit fairer because the
people at Tarong already paying massive rates and they pay

(11:43):
the water, and I think they have two of the
three toll roads and you're just whacking another lad on
the same people. I think that was the thing that
frustrated me, Like you know, Manu.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
Of Aitu Gorge.

Speaker 8 (11:56):
The locals down there got all up in arms and
nancy about it. They didn't want to tie raids, so
what was the government to do pull the pin on
tolling them. And I just think, I really don't have
a problem with it, but if you're going to do it,
you know, we don't just put it all in one place.
And I think that was it really did frustrate me,
because you know, and then they said, oh, if you
go over both roads, you'll only get charged for one. Well,

(12:18):
that's not really the issue, is it. Yeah, So I
do think the public private partnerships is a great idea,
and it doesn't it doesn't really matter, you know. Pipkins
is rabbiting on this morning about oh, the governments could
build it cheaper themselves, but the reality is they can't.
The only time that having a massive over inflated bureaucracy

(12:43):
of every department was when we had the Ministry of Works.
They had far too many people, but at least we
got something for our money. So I don't mind if
we if somebody makes a good profit out of build
the road, as long as the road gets called, I
don't even mind paying a toll on it.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
Yeah, just just get in and do it.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, just quickly to your point about totong Or, no
doubt about it. The people of totong Or are being
you know, slammed with some unfair costs. And as you say,
those two of the toll roads out of the four
that exist in the country. But if going forward, you say,
every new road of national significance, as I believe the
government want to do, will be told no, it's no, butts,

(13:23):
doesn't that make things a bit clearer for everybody? That
big infrastructure projects will be told no matter where they
are in the country.

Speaker 8 (13:32):
I actually wouldn't have a problem with that. I do, Yeah,
I wouldn't have a problem with that. But depending you know,
likely you're building all your infrastructure in one place at
the same time. That's hardly fearing most people. But they
do get the benefit, right except that, right.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I do.

Speaker 8 (13:52):
I do think, you know, we one of the road
toll roads I go tring it's it's not up to
stand it at all. And I keep telling my wife
would be driving over the look, we're paying for this,
and it's disgraceful, right it's you know, it's absolutely disgusting road.
And I think, but they do other dumb stuff. The
other toll road over in Taring are the one that

(14:12):
goes out past your cookie that in the process of
building and to change at Peppermart East, which should have
been built when the road was built five or six
years ago, and just a lack of foresight and lack
of planning if they were, And that's a toll road.
And I just cannot believe that when you're doing something

(14:33):
like that, you don't do it properly, you know, And
it's just it's heartbreaking at times when you see this
thing that could have cost thirty million dollars costing one
hundred and fifty million dollars because they didn't build it
when they should have. And that's another thing where if
we're going to get the infrastructure built by overseas people
get clam for the next thirty years, which is what
the government wants to do, and build it for the

(14:55):
next thirty years, not for the next five years, you know,
So you must.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Be pleased that there's sort of a bipartisan approach coming
through at this infrastructure summer.

Speaker 8 (15:03):
I think that's the biggest plus out of this whole
thing is if they can get laid a national on
board together on this infrastructure for the next thirty years,
finally the country, whether we have to pay for it
with toll roads or whatever, the country will finally start
to go forward. Because you know, if you look at
going to Taronga at Pirari, they're going to roundabout it

(15:23):
there that was supposed to be a flyover forty three
million dollars because labor pulled the pin on the motorway
game there and it's just a total and absolute waste
of money. It's made it a bit safer, but it
should have been done properly, you know. And if we
can get everything done properly, whether we pay for toll
roads and I'm all for.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
It, well, I think so much for you call Greg yeah,
very interesting when they brought in the and I know
they've got rid of it now, but the Auckland Regional
fuel tax, that to me, as a South Islander at
the time, I thought that was very unfair way to
do it. And the argument around that was that most
of the infrastructure builds and projects were with an Auckland.

(16:02):
But the idea of a toll road is that it
is centralized to the people that use that road on
a regular by, So the people of Todonger are the
ones paying for these new highways. But that to me
makes a lot more sense than the idea of ring fencing.
You know, an extra ten cents on a lider of petrol.
It feels a lot fairer to me. And I mentioned

(16:23):
to you met the Northern Corridor and christ Juice that
was built after the earthquakes. Two billion dollar project wasn't told.
I think that was a mistake. I think that should
have been told. That to me would have been a
fair thing to do.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, Why are they slapping around totong are and letting
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Speaker 2 (18:03):
We're talking about PPPs and tolling of roads of national significance. Alan,
what do you think about tolls on the roads.

Speaker 9 (18:14):
I'm a big fan of them. About twelve years ago
did a trip around France in a rental car and
we spent more money on tolls than we did on fuel.
But the roads were outstanding. You could get from A
to B just like that. You just get on the road.
The speed limits one hundred and forty over there, so

(18:35):
you just set your cruise controlled one hundred and forty
and you from A to B like that. And I
live in the Boklan area as well, and the toll
roads here, I've got no problems with playing a toll
to go over them. The roads are pretty good, and
the ones that are coming in I'm sure will be
good as well. And yeah, I think all pouts, I'm really.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
I tend to agree with you Allan.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
The only fish k I can see is and someone
texting what about road user charges? And we know that
there was an indication that the government wanted to bring
in road user charges for everybody and get rid of
the fuel tax. Would that not almost be double dipping?

Speaker 12 (19:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (19:18):
Well maybe, but you know, the toll road will also
pick up all the tourists who come into the country,
even though that the cars that they are hiring and
still getting the registration paid, which goes to roading and everything.
It will also pick up cars that don't have any
rigial warrants too.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Good point.

Speaker 9 (19:35):
And you know, and those people who are dodging that
will will all have to pay because I think they
get you in the long run.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
No, well, I think there's a lot of texts that
agree with you on the toll roads, a lot of
support behind it. And as you say, it seems to
work pretty well in a lot of other western countries
and developed nations, and we're a bit slow in the old.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Toll roads here.

Speaker 9 (19:57):
Yeah, we are.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, absolutely nice one, Allen, have a great afternoon, mate,
Thank you very much for your phone call.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Okay, I've got a question for everyone, yep. On nine
two nine two. The Auckland Harbor Bridge opened on the
thirtieth of May nineteen fifty nine. Yeah, how big was
the toll to cross? What rate the toll?

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Okay, all right, I'm going to write down my answer.
But if you think you know nine to nine to
two is the text.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Number, let's just say it's a trick question. Okay, very good.
What do you think about toll roads eight hundred and eighty,
ten eighty or nine two ninety two.

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Speaker 2 (21:40):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. And we're talking about toll roads. Yeah,
do you support them because these PPPs are probably going
to come with tolls on your roads of national significance
or your second harbor crossing, which brings me to my question.
I asked us before the break how much was the
toll on the Auckland Harbor Bridge when it opened on

(22:01):
the fifth heath well that came out weird said that,
tellow again, you've been eating it sounds like I've been
drinking the thirtieth of May nineteen fifty nine. Twenty cents
this is person ten cents is another zero, says another
fifty cents is another No, you did say it was
a trick question and I wrote down a florin. Yeah,

(22:22):
how much was a florin? I don't know. I don't
know how much a florin was? Peter, have you got
the answer?

Speaker 14 (22:29):
Yeah, it was two shilling and six then six five cents, Yeah,
two shillings and six, because I remember I used to
drop twenty five cents and.

Speaker 15 (22:37):
For my mum.

Speaker 14 (22:38):
We used to live on the shore. Yeah, and so
we used to go over him back quite a bit.
I think they stopped at about eighty four. Yeah, when
they took it off, so it was about twenty five years.
And I remember when they took it off, we all
went Yahoo, you know, because line up and dropped your
money and the blended. So did you get behold? You
never had the right change.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
You know, and so so Peter, did you did you
stop or you just at the time it did you
cruise pass and you dropped it out the window?

Speaker 16 (23:04):
Well?

Speaker 14 (23:05):
I think initially there used to be people in the
booths that used to take it, and they introduced later
on like the dropping then where you just drop the
money in. Yeah, So I don't ever remember it going
to anything electronic where it read you there was way too.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, that'd be the future.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, that'd be That'd have been hard to do ninety
fifty nine. But yeah, I like the idea of just
walking past.

Speaker 14 (23:24):
You know, towards towards the end of it. In eighty
four and that type of thing. I'm pretty sure it
was they took the people out of the booze and yeah,
you have to have the right money to drop it in.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Something nice about the analogue nature of it, though, wasn't
you just drop it in rather than this digital nonsense?

Speaker 14 (23:40):
Yeah, well that's what it was like when I first
started again in the US too, there was a lot
of that, but now it's all you know, so they're
automatically cold, and I do business up there and everyone
just got it on their windscreens.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, would you back yourself? Thank you, Peter, you got
it right? Yeah, two two and six ye, which is
about probably eight bucks now. Ooh that's steep, isn't it?
So Boks one way? Yeah, who, it's a lot of coin.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Would you beg yourself to get it in the little
bin at eighty k across the Harbor Bridge.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I'd love to give it a shot. I suppose if
you missed then you're going to go back and pick
it up and try again. It would be a bit awkward.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
I think you've got it.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah right, We're going to take more of your cause
very shortly. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. It is twenty five to two.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Matt Tyler.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
What to help us break down what is a private
public partnership how it all works. We're joined by New
Zealand Heral Business Editor at Large, Liam Dan Liam, thanks
very much for jumping in.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
No worries, Liam, How do private public partnerships differ from
just contracting a company to build your piece of infrastructure.

Speaker 17 (24:43):
Well, there's an issue about really, and there's a bit
of contention about whether this is a privatization. So in
some cases the private company may own it or own
half of it, or the government will have a partnership
around ownership, or they'll have contracted that it will return
to public ownership in fifty years or.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Something like that.

Speaker 17 (25:05):
Essentially, the risk is being borne by the private company
and the money is coming up front from the big
money is coming up from the private upfront from the
private company.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
So how does the investor make money.

Speaker 17 (25:18):
Well, the investor makes money by charging a fee back
to the government to use the asset. Right, so I
guess it's pretty simple. Most people will get it for roads,
and like the idea of another harbor bridge, Auckland harbor Bridge.
You can say, well, we're going to get a private
company in to build this. There's going to be a
fifty year contract on it. It's going to have tolls

(25:39):
and service fees. The asset will either be still technically
a public asset or it'll revert to a public asset
in fifty years something like that, you know, fairly straightforward.
It gets a bit more contentious around hospitals, schools, that
sort of thing, but essentially, you know, you could still say,

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you know, a government is paying as they go for
the healthcare and for the contract to the hospital, so they.

Speaker 12 (26:09):
Are you know.

Speaker 17 (26:10):
It's sort of like, you know, difference between buying a
car up front. It's kind of cheaper to buy a
car up front, right if you've got cash, But if
you need to you don't have cash, and this government
doesn't have cash, then then you can go go see
a dealer and pay a little bit every week for.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
The next so it's essentially a higher purchase.

Speaker 17 (26:31):
Yeah, yeah, it is sort of. There are some other
other factors in there. I mean, you know, weirdly, you know,
critics will say governments can borrow more cheaply than private
the private sector, so it actually maybe puts more cost
into the project when you get the private sector to

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fund it. But then there's a lot of skepticism, the
skepticism in this government and on the right generally. And
you know, you can find plenty of examples in history
of governments not doing a great job and of building assets,
and of massive cost overruns and things not getting finished
on time.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
And so essentially, because it's the company's bottom line, they
have to make money, they'll do it efficiently.

Speaker 17 (27:19):
Yeah, and it costs them if they the cost if
it overruns or you know, it isn't finished on time,
that's borne by the private company. So you're out, you're
outsourcing some risk away from the government.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
We've been pretty keen on these PPPs as a country
for some time, or our governments have Are we unique
in that or is this quite a common theme in
other Western countries as well to try and form these
private public partnerships.

Speaker 17 (27:45):
Yeah, they're probably used more extensively around the world. In
the UK, for example, they've used them for big infrastructure
projects like you know, revitalizing their underground. Canada I think
actually does have a lot of PPPs around hospitals. I know,
you know, I think you know at the moment we've

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got to bipartisan agreement and you can see labors on
board with big roads, bridges, all that sort of stuff,
but they draw the line at the hospitals and schools, right.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
So, because you could have a situation because some people
might not like a prison being run prisons the other ye.
But if it's just around the infrastructure, the building of
the actual building, but not the running of it, is
that still of interest to companies to invest.

Speaker 17 (28:31):
In, Well, they've got to get a return, right, So
they have to get there's got to be a contract
where there's money coming back to that company over a
period of time to make the return. So I guess
it doesn't necessarily have to involve running the prison, but
there is going to be fees to pay on the prison,
and so it's a cost. It's still a cost of taxpayers.
It's just spreading the cost over time, spreading the risk,

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or you know, outsourcing the risk. Critics might say, look
over time, like that car at the car dealers, you'll
have paid a lot more for the asset. But again
that'll come back to that debate about whether you think
government are just absolutely terrible at building this stuff and
that they're just you know, because if we're borrowing masses more,

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well maybe it is at a lower interest rate, but
if we don't get the things built properly, that that's
all going on the crown accounts and stuffing our box.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
So just to make it clear, how would you envision
say a second harbor crossing working. Then well, how much
would the would the foreign investors put all the money
in and then we pay it all back, or we
go some from the government, some from the investor, and
then how do they make their money back?

Speaker 17 (29:43):
All those models could be the case. You could have
a partnership where the government stumps up half in the
private you know, you create an entity and it might
be fifty percent owned by the government and fifty percent
owned by the private sector and they work together. Or
you go, no, no, we're going the full private model
and pretty much say go to town, build as a

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harbor bridge and we'll pay you tolls. And a service
fee for the next thirty fifty years. Hopefully they would
build it efficiently and look, that would be easier because
it would be I think the government, you know, with
the toll is a user pays aspect. You know, a hospital,
there's always going to be a fear or some political

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pushback around the user pays aspect of it. People want
a public health service, but then you know, governments could
choose to fund the most gold standard free public health
service and still use a PPP. They could just be
agreeing to pay the money to that.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
And if they have their regulations in place that you
know what we expect and what has to be delivered,
and we're all happy with that, then you could argue
that's not too much of a problem. So is there
any interest so far, anyone putting up their hands and
say they want to do it?

Speaker 17 (30:56):
From the summit, I think we heard from an Italian
company that was talking about that extension to the Northern Expressway,
so that's probably a good one. That's that's the one
that's on the table. So this this summit, the issue
is that we haven't actually got that many PPPs ready
to go, so it's it's a starting point. But you know,

(31:19):
I think what the government really needs is one that's
just underway and working so that people can see the
model and that other companies can see that that could work.
But yeah, it's going to be a bit more debate
around around whether we go to hospitals and schools and prisons.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I think. So if a company invested a billion dollars,
how much return would they want to see over the
thirty fifty years. It's a good question.

Speaker 17 (31:47):
It's got to be more than putting in the bank, right,
otherwise you don't bother so that would be I'm sort
of guessing a little bit, but you'd want a return
of you know, five ten percent. It's got to be
better than bonds, which is the equivalent of putting money
in the bank. It should be a rout to the

(32:08):
low risk, stable investment. So it appeals to big investment
funds around the world. So weirdly, you know, in New
Zealand our own super fund, our acc fund, that's the
sort of thing they can get involved in because it
provides a stable return. So if you can get a
return of seven or eight percent or something like that,
there would be a solid return. If it was over
thirty years.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
And obviously tolling. Just to bring it back to the tolling,
that is an added sweetener. If someone's going to invest
a lot of money and infrastructure and that is part
of the equation, then that hopefully might make it easy
to get across the line.

Speaker 17 (32:39):
Governments can still make a choice. They can still say
we're going to make this free, but we're going to
have to pay that difference to the private company to
ensure that the contract works for them.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Either way, we pay, yeah, exactly eventually, eventually, Liam, very
very interesting, Thanks very much for coming and having a
chat with us.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
We'll catch again soon.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
That is New Zealand Herald Business Editor at large, Liam Dan.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
You're listening to news Talks There, be good afternoon.

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Speaker 5 (33:12):
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Speaker 2 (33:15):
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Speaker 3 (33:16):
Now, we had been talking about toll roads and is
that a fear way to pay for some of the infrastructure.
We needed this text here, This is anti toll road
on nineteen nine two toll theft.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
That's it? That's it? Okay, isn't short and sharp, doesn't
back up the argument two tolls ore theft, we need more.
If you if you're going to text tolls ore theft,
we need to you need to explain your rationale a
little bit more. Thanks on nineteen nine two would appreciate
or even better ring up one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
But what happened, Tyler was I had a fun little
fact you did across the break where I said, what

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was the toll on the Auckland Harbor Bridge when it
opened in nineteen fifty nine? Yep?

Speaker 3 (33:55):
And what was the answer? It was a shellings and
six mate. Yeah, two shillings and six pence. But somewhere
along the line someone mentioned the floor, and that has
upset a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, Kevin, you're going to sit up straight on this, Okay.

Speaker 7 (34:13):
You got stories. So I remember the old the old
fashioned money very well. There was a shilling which we
had twelve pennies in it, okay, And they were pennies
were brown, little, were brown, quite big, about an inch
across coins. And there were there were half pennies that

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were about half that size, and they were made out
of copper as well. And then there was this what
the silver which was the tens, the the twenty pence
piece which was called the shilling, and then the two
shillings was the florin, and then two and sixpence was

(34:57):
the half crown. And on the ar occasion, for example,
they put a special crown out which was five shillings
on special. I don't know whether they did it, but
maybe when Sir Edmund Hillary climbed Everest they would have
put out a crown to commemorate it, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
That's yeah right, So Kevin, two and sex was two
and six just one coin.

Speaker 7 (35:20):
Then two and six was one call ah.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
That's interesting, yeah, right, that makes sense.

Speaker 18 (35:26):
It was.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
It was called a half crown, a half crown, and.

Speaker 7 (35:31):
A crowd had a crown was five shillings. And occasionally,
as I say, they'd bring out they'd strike a special
crown for a special events.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah cool. Hey, so I think when was that was
nineteen sixty seven? I believe this decimal currency day. So
what system when you when you when you jumped over
to the decimal system, was that better or did you
prefer the florins and the shillings and the crowns.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
It's not a no there's no question about it. A
decimal system is a damn site easier than but you
had you had the the the the score rule. So
if you bought twenty of something that cost so many shillings,
maybe you cost you bought twenty three shilling I don't

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know ice streams or something. You called the shillings pounds.
So if you bought twenty three shilling things, it cost
you three pounds. And then there was the there was
the what was the shilling rule? Was it the it
was the other one that if you bought a dozen
a dozen rules, if you bought a dozen things, that

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it say happens? Yep, you called the penny shillings all.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Right, all right, thank you for clearing that up, Kevin. Yeah,
I see what you mean, though, Keiven. The decimal system
is far easy. You got a crown, you got a shilling, half.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Crown, pence, half penny. I forgot about the half penny.
It must have been crazy though.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah. On the tenth of July. I've just seen it
here in nineteen sixty seven when they swapped over, so
suddenly your money systems changed. Yeah, I reckon people to
struggle here.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, if you get used to that sort of system,
and then you've got the decimal system coming in. But Kevin,
thank you very much for clearing all that up. Quick
couple of texts. Back to the toll roads, and we
mentioned the road user charges as well. Hey guys, toll
roads is a great idea. The rucks or the road
user charges a big no no. So many unregistered and

(37:35):
unwarranted cars on roads already, same abusers won't pay the
rucks and will then escape the fuel tax. And what
about charging tourists mileage on rental cars unlimited mileages on
every overseas rental line have hired over the last thirty years.
It will turn tourists off from MACA. Toll roads is
the way.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, I mean, you can't hide from a toll road.
If you want to get the money off people, then
then the toll road will do it. Yep, exactly. You
can't hide from a toll road. It will get you,
all right. What do you think of this? Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty nine nine two. If these roads
of national significance are made as PPPs or another harbor
bridge crossing, then there's going to be toll roads. So

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the so the investors can get their money back. Absolutely.
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Speaker 1 (38:23):
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Speaker 3 (38:34):
Talk EDB, News Talk Zed B. Jan Good afternoon to you.
We've got a couple of minutes before the news.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
How are you thank new items?

Speaker 19 (38:43):
Okay? The Harbor Bridge tolls were when it went into
decimal currency were twenty cents. When the nineteen eighty by
election came up and Don Brash was standing for National
and Male Dooon didn't like Don Brash. They he put
up the tolls to twenty five cents in nineteen eighty

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and Don Branch loss Gary napped from social credit clot
and as a result. Now what I am saying about
a harbor crossing and I think we should take notice
of how Sydney has built their tunnels. They've done their
privatized the tunnely the second tunnel. We could put in
as many crossings as we like. That we have got

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the on remps. The problem, not the bridge the on
remps there on ramps are queuing up all the time
for thirty or forty minutes to get onto the Harbor Bridge.
And there are two hundred thousand cars a day going
over the Harbor Bridge. But how can we put another
crossing in without on rems?

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, yeah, thank you for you cool. We're going to
have to work out all that infrastructure. But as PPPs
the answer to do that, Yeah, and tolling, because yeah,
you've got to get people on to the new crossing
or into the new crossing exactly. You can't tell them.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, spot on, right, good discussion. Couple of techs to
wrap it all up. There's a heck of a lot
of techs coming through on money. I think we've wrapped
up the money situation.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Don't want to get into the Farthings debate.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
No, no, this one. Yeah, guys. At first everyone had
to stop and pay on the Harbor Bridge. Then they
bought in the shoots to throw the coin into, but
you still had the option to stop. They canned it
as it created big delays.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
There you go, you go, and black Rock will end
up owning New Zealand. All right, Okay, thank you for
your text and been a great discussion. It's new topic
next hour.

Speaker 7 (40:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Absolutely, we want to talk about those people who dump
their rubbish or what they consider to be good, but
it is just rubbish at the end of the day
outside places like the Salvation Army. You've come up with
a name for them, chumping, chumping or chumps. Yeah, to
be fair, Andrew, our producer, came up with their name.
Andrew chumpers are chumps.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
All right, I'm going to start a whole campaign people
that just dump their rubbish and pretend they're doing something good.
They're just moving their problem onto the good people that
are running charity shops.

Speaker 6 (40:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love to hear from you on that issue.
Nine two ninety two is the text number you're listening
to Matt and Tyler. I hope you having a great
Friday after noon New Sport and weather on it's.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
Way talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo
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Speaker 3 (41:17):
Zib Good afternoon six pass to welcome back into the
show Friday afternoon. Good discussion about tolls and this is
going to be a great discussion about those who dump
stuff outside of charity stores.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Chumpers, chumpers, chumpers are jumps So chumpers are charity dumpers.
We've just coined the name. I might start a whole
campaign to stop jumpers because I see that. It makes
me feel so sad inside when I drive past the
charity shop and I see that someone across the weekend.
This is like late on a Sunday night and you
see someone who's moving house or they've got a bunch

(41:53):
of rubbish that they don't want anymore, and they just
dump it out the front of the charity shop instead
of waiting for Monday to see if they actually want
it or giving them a phone call. They just dump
it there, and they kind of in their hearts think
that maybe I'm doing something good potentially because I'm not
taking it straight to the dump or what you doing
is just unloading your problem onto someone else. Yeah, uness,
you're giving them stuff they actually won't also can't sit

(42:13):
down on the street over overnight. Yeah, So absolute chumpers,
Absolute chumpers.

Speaker 7 (42:19):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Well, the reason we're talking about this is there is
a Meadow Bank resident. Her name is Galina Netscheyeva. Now,
she says she's been making monthly donations to the Glen
in a Salvation Army family store, but in February she
left a box of what she said was glass wear
and closes and a shopping bag on a ledge next
to the store entrance.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
What she said was out of the way of the entrance, I.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Quote from her, it was not dumped, it wasn't in
the walking area, and it wasn't a mess chumper chumper
because however, in March she received a letter from the
Auckland Council saying that leaving the bag outside the store
constituted littering and after an investigation she could receive an
instant four hundred dollars fine.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
So the letter showed the CCTV.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Footage that the council had of her being a chumper
and dumping this stuff outside the Salvation me outside of ours.
So Auckland Council Away Solutions general manager Justine Haves says
leaving donations outside of op shops out of ours was
a massive problem. We know that she sees I quote.
Not all items are accepted by shops. The bags will
often be broken into some items, taken other items are

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straw and across the footpath, creating their hazard and making
them unfit for sale, and there are health and safety issues.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Dirty chumper look to be fair. I don't know the
full details around the story. There's a few details there.
It does sound plausible that she just didn't understand and
she's been donating a lot and she thought I'll just
don't in the weekend. But you gotta you've got a
chomp down on chumpers, because chumpers charity dumpers. You know,
some of them mean well, but many of them are

(43:53):
just trying to get rid of the rubbis out of
the house. As I've said before.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Absolutely, and so I'd love to hear from people that
have worked in charity shops.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
What is the worst stuff you get dumped off? What
is the stuff you don't need? What is the stuff
you do need? And when should people dump a dump it?
When should people donate it? If you give it in
the weekend, when if you if you donate it in
the weekend when they're not there, that's dumping it. Absolutely,
it's not donating, You're not You're not donating, you're dumping.

(44:21):
But if you do it in the week when they're there,
you're you're donating, but there's a really good chance that
they want to don't want to take ninety percent of
your crap because nothing they could deal with it. But
the but the most horrible thing is imagining someone turning
up to work at their charity shop and then they've
just got to deal with your refuse. You're turning a
charity shop into a refuse transfer center. Yep.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
And can I just add you can't just turn up
with a bag of clothes when they're open and you
put the bag down, you give them a wave and
say that's for you, see you later. You've got to
wait for the staff memer to come out, open up
the back and see if they want your your rags.
And I'm not ashamed to admit I've taken clothes to
the Salvation Army before and they've turned their nose.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Up at some of the clothes that I offered them.
You weren't bringing in your sealed undies with you? Not
that a decent wash. I'm always impressed by people that
buy to wear from from op shops. Yeah, there's something
about it. I had a friend that just used to
buy because he thought they were very classy. The old ones.
It was there was a city something about it the briefs. Yeah,
from the ninety fifties. But we're off topic. Hey, if

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the elastic's still good, nothing wrong with them. Yeah. And
also you can't just wedge a couch in the door
and run for it either. I've heard of that kind
of thing happening. It's like, oh, you've got a dirty couch,
someone's busy behind the counter, and then you just shove
your couch and the door and run for it. Nobody
wants You're ready? Yeah, yeah, So w eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Have you had to deal with chumpers and

(45:42):
or do you have some some feelings of how would
I put it? Do you see some value and dumping
stuff in front of charity stores on the weekend. I'd
love to hear what the least the least wanted stuff
at a charity store is. I think it's Dan Brown
to da vincikom right up there. Yeah, yeah, oh, D

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eight hundred eighty ten eighty, Sorry Tyler to talk over
you to say the number.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two
ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Already got a text through on this death to Putin
and his cronies come there slightly off topic, but thank
you for you for your input. Appreciate the message. Yeah,
thank you very much. To live a bus to.

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Speaker 5 (46:35):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Caught afternoon quarter past two. I don't know whether to
laugh or cry. Some of these ticks about chumpers as
we're calling them charity dumpers, is a little bit pressing.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Chumpers must go. Yes, hey, Matt and Tyler, I work
in a charity store and we have people regularly dumping
their goods out of ours. The only problem though, is
the drunks urinating on the remaining goods left in the doorway. Disgusting.
That's from Robin So I mean that. I mean so
I always thought I was always saying, already saying it
was depressing turning up to work on Monday at a

(47:09):
charity shop. You're doing a bit for the community, you're
giving something back, and you've got to deal with some
people just dumping and pretending that they're donating, but they're
actually dumping over the weekend when you're not open. I
didn't even foresee that people might also urinate on that
stuff before you get there. So you're having to deal
with your own soaked fake donations.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Talking about kicking a charity when they're down. You're amazing
on this crap. Guys. You are asked not to leave
stuff out of ours. It's simple from Susie that woman
deserves her Fine.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, all right, Susie says, taser and put her in jail.
Good on you, Susie. Okay, yeah, well enough. She claims
she didn't know and she didn't see the sign and
that she donates quite a lot. But so maybe one
strike and then a tasering straight to the taser, straight
to the taser. Kim, you work in a charity shop?

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (48:03):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 7 (48:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Gotcha.

Speaker 15 (48:07):
I I've just left my shift at the charity shop.
I'm a volunteer.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Okay, good on you.

Speaker 15 (48:16):
So we do we have all of the above. Got
the regular dumping stuff outside out of ours and general
when people are doing it out of ours, I think
they just know that they shouldn't be donating it. It's
not donatable stuff. And then you get the sneaky ones

(48:37):
that come in with things bagged up and give you
a lovely smile, and then you open the bag up
after the mess full of stained discussing bed linen or
broken things. You know, it's it's just rude behavior. And
what I think I'd like to convey today is first up, shockingly,

(49:02):
the charity I'm working with, they've spend over a million
dollars a year getting rid of the rough for them stumps.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Wow, that's unreal. So a charity shop which is trying
to do good is having to basically spend a million
dollars a year being a refuse transfer center for people
pretending to donate a nutshell.

Speaker 15 (49:24):
That's sort of a nutshell because they're too lazy or
too mean to go to the refuse transfer station proper
and do it themselves.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
That's incredibly gutting to hear. Imagine how far that million
dollars would go.

Speaker 15 (49:40):
Exactly. And as a rule of some if I could
convey to your listeners today, if you wouldn't be comfortable
handing on that item to a friend or family member,
then it shouldn't go to the charity shop.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah. So the charity shops that you've worked in, are
they across the border. We're talking clothes, you know, crockery,
box everything, everything. Yeah, yeah, So what is the stuff
you need the most of and what is the stuff
you need the least of?

Speaker 15 (50:14):
You know what common waves? It does come in waves,
but we find nice reusable clothes are always popular. Ye,
and furniture items are very popular.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
So in terms of the workload and sorry no you go,
oh no, it's.

Speaker 15 (50:35):
Just whatever comes in that is sailable really, as long
as it's in good condition, it's clean, and it's a
saleable item.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Would something like glass wear be turned away on a
fairly regular basis? I imagine you get a truckload of
glass wearing, you just wouldn't be able to take it all.

Speaker 15 (50:54):
Yeah, we tend to get a bit too much of
homewares at the moment, but that again, that might in
six months time, it might be needed.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
It's just comes in waves, right, Okay. Would you support
the four hundred dollar fine for this woman that's been
on CCTV camera making a donation outside of opening hours.

Speaker 15 (51:16):
It may sound harsh, but I think that she's kind
of been used as a precedent.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah, yeah, I can kind of see that she might
have made a mistake, but there probably needs to be
an example made of people.

Speaker 15 (51:27):
Yeah that's it.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, yeah, well, thank you so much for your call.
I think we can call it Galino's law. That's her name.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
So maybe she is just unfortunately the poster child for
what you do not do outside of charity shops. But
can I say, there's the reason I asked about the
glass were is what she was dropping off was glass
wearing clothes?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
This sounds to me like rubbish. Well at four hundred
dollars fine might be a good place to start with
this and then we move on to some kind of
wider campaign. Yep, So jumpers are chumps? What happened to
the taser? Well, get David Bellamy back into the country.
Jumpers it chump. Actually, we'll try and rustle up that

(52:07):
whole Ben's beard as great air and play that for you,
all right? But yeah, do you think four hundred of
fine for donating outside of the hours of a charity
shop is a fear a fear punishment or not? You
think people should just be able to donate with the

(52:27):
inverted commerce whenever they want.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
And if you work for a charity shop, what are
the items that you get that is just trash all
the things that you need the most love to hear
from you. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is being able
to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
It is twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Chump Chumps, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Twenty two past term.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
We're talking about people who dump things outside of charity stores.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Chumpers, we're calling them. And I was just I was
just thinking about trying to start a campaign to stop them.
Four hundred of fine that this woman's looking down the
barrel of I mean caught on cc TV doing it
at a Salvation Army store. But it got me thinking
about a great, a great air that people might remember
from nineteen ninety. I was saying chumpers, jumpers, only chumps,

(53:20):
the chumpers, And what I was referencing, I realized in
the back of my mind was the ed with David
Bellamy this one here, Do you remember it?

Speaker 7 (53:27):
Old man's beard must go?

Speaker 1 (53:28):
And I don't mean this stuff, but this stuff is
a lasty hollaball plant and it's smothering and killing New
Zealand's native bush.

Speaker 20 (53:36):
And that is catastrophe.

Speaker 16 (53:38):
So what do you keep a lookout for?

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Well, flowers like this and fruits like this, and viraines
like this, and they can.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Go ten meters in a year.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Real stranglers And this one strangling this poor old cabin street.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
A trim is not enough.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
We got to destroy it in every way we call.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Man's beard must go. I'm a trim is not enough.
Look at this one stranding this poor old cabbage street.
What an e men of a man? Yeah, there you go,
David Bellamy, are rip. Here's a text on nineteen nine two.
I don't believe for a moment that woman did not
know there was a sign stating donations to be left

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during closing hours. You know, dun't rubbish full stop. Having
worked as a volunteer of a charity shop for many years.
It's usually crap and the owners are too mean to
pay to take it to the rubbish dump, but they
expect the charity store to pay. Cleaning up the mess
after other people have scammaged is disgusting. Yeah, good text.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
That one oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you've worked for a charity shop.
Love to hear from you and your experiences about these jumpers.
Should we go to the Oh yeah, there's a good text.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
At Cromwell charity shops, it pays to walk the jacket
racks and search pockets for twenty dollar notes that rich
donators forgot in donatd clothes. Don't even buy the stuff.
Read read mate. If you've if you find the twenty
bucks in the pocket in the charity shop, then wouldn't
you give that twenty bucks to the charity shop?

Speaker 3 (55:06):
You'd think, So it's not a business opportunity.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Josh, welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (55:13):
Yeah, hey boys, So, yeah, I'm Josh. Obviously I managed
a shop for a couple of years, a charity shop,
and yeah, we were actually, we were pretty proactive. We
first came up with the signage because one of the
things the council told us was that if you don't

(55:34):
have adequate signage, you can't really you know, you've got
to be able to say that there's adequate signage. So
we spent a lot on signage saying please do not
donate outside of ours and we got it anyway. But
in the end we ended up putting CCTV in and

(55:54):
what we did is we obviously had our signs already.
If we had vehicles dropping things off that is dumping,
we got their number plate and that's all you need.
And we got got the old council on the red
phone on speed doll. And what I do every sort

(56:15):
of Monday afternoon is I would plow through the CCTV footage,
get the car plates and forward all the plates. It
did slow down after a while, but I can tell
you now that where a lot of the coughs are is.
Could you imagine the weight of wet material, So you're
rather talking about wet clothing and textiles or wet coutures,

(56:40):
et cetera. All that extra moisture adds to that dump weight.
And I'll tell you when people go through, like people
might be genuine, they'll drop off some bags of clothes.
It's nicely sealed. Meanwhile, you've got the CCTV footage right,
and there's this dude out near at two in the morning,
pulling all the clothes out, having a good luck grabbing

(57:03):
the stuffy lights, leaving.

Speaker 9 (57:05):
All the other stuff on the concrete.

Speaker 21 (57:07):
Oh and it'll take He'll take a dump before he leaves,
you know. And it's like, come on guys. But that's
what we did, and you don't need to curt a
new law because it is dumping. Once you had that
adequate signers that says do not leave stuff out here
outside of ours, there's no way they can escape from

(57:27):
being fined if you can get that number plate off
the vehicle that they delivered it in.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Yeah, well that's what I mean. This woman that's looking
at a forty four hundred dollars fine, that is just
under the littering laws and the dumping laws. It's absolutely
no difference. As you say, Josh, is just you know,
having some rubbish in the middle of the street or
putting it in front of a charity shop. If they
don't want it, then then it's the same thing.

Speaker 21 (57:53):
Sorry, Josh, you get you really hope that you know, once,
once you learn that lesson once, you don't do it again.
But you know, I think the other on the other
side of things, the charities don't want to be seen
as the bad guy. Like I had to really debate
with management to get a sign written that said specifically,

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if you leave stuff outside of ours, it's equivalent to dumping.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Yeah, so you had to argue that, you know, I
get charities, absolutely the good guys, and they don't want
to do anything to put people off charities, but that
would be the.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Bare minimum to say, just don't be an ahole.

Speaker 21 (58:32):
Yeah, And you know, in regards to truck, in regards
to declining donations, the charity themselves should reserve the right
to say yes or no. And I know some people
get kind of annoyed with that, but in reality, like

(58:53):
the amount of textiles that go through these places is
fricking amazing. The amount of clothing that gets donated that
ends up getting dumped at the cost of charity is huge.
It's phenomenal, and there's not much else these charities can
do because the textiles companies are not taking what they

(59:15):
used to do anymore. They used to send it to
the islands and stuff they're not doing. They're not doing
so much or that anymore. So the access cloning that
cannot be resold or used actually gets dumped. And if
that's wet outside, it's just, oh my god, it terrible.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Well, thanks so much for your insights there, Josh. I'd say,
if someone's donating something or bringing it into the store
and they get annoyed when the charity shop won't take it. Yeah,
they're not donating, they're trying to dump. You know, they're
more than a problem for a store that's just trying
to do good. Yeah, I mean they can't be forced
to take your absolute rubbish. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Hey, I've got a question for you and everybody listening.
And if you think you know the answer nine to
ninety two? How much do you think the Salvation Army
makes from their family stores across the country?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
An estimate?

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
How much do you think they make on a yearly
basis from their family charity stores in New Zealand the
Salvation Army? How much do I think if you want
to write it down and give your answer, But if
you think you know texted in nine two ninety two
is the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Well you can mind us a million off that because
they have to spend a whole lot of money on
dumping it. Yeah, ye, all right, true. I'll have a
think about that, all right. I'll give you the answer
coming up very shortly.

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Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Thank you very much, Raylan.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
And we're talking about those people who dump outside of
charity stores that we have labeled chumpers. Yeah, charity dumpers,
absolute chumpers. Now I asked before the headlines, only a
chumper chumps.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
You're very good at there right now, I don't know.
I need to work on my David Bellamy. I mean
he's passed now, but it used to be an important
part of your impersonation repertoire in New Zealand to be
able to do a David Bellamy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
He was practicing in the air break everybody's before the headlines.
How much roughly do you think the Salvation Army makes
from their family stores across New Zealand. So there's view
guesses that have come through two for all their stores.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yep. Do you want to know how many stores that
would help? Actually? Yes? How many stores? They have? One
hundred and thirty five stores across New Zealand. Wow, they
must be one of our biggest retailers.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Yeah, yeah, well they must be out there. Yeah, so
you wrote down your answer, what do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
I reckon forty million? Forty million?

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
About it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
More right, there's a couple of guesses coming through here.
Eleven point two million, very specific, but way more than that. Hi,
Tony here, the Salvation Army around two hundred and thirty
nine million, two hundred and fifty four thousand a year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Well, we are a little bit of my Tony specific
specific one eleven point two millions? Is this person two
million a year? Two million?

Speaker 22 (01:02:52):
Off?

Speaker 9 (01:02:53):
Over?

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
How many shops are there one hundred and one hundred
and thirty five That would be that bit more return.
Fifteen million salies make from the stores, right six, what
is it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
So here's the answer. So Salvation Army Family store regional
consultant Nigel Water estimated they make collectively about one hundred
and fifty million.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Per year in New Zealand. They're gross.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Well that is based on the turnover across its turnover
one hundred and thirty five stores nationwide.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Wow, yeah, that's not bad.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
So in twenty twenty two that turnover rose by twenty percent,
so the charity stores were having quite a good year
that year. But then you minus the million dollars plus
that they have to spend on dealing with these dirty
old chumpers.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Yeah, and another text here says that twenty percent of
everything is stolen from Salvation Army stores. Oh, it just
gets worse and worse, doesn't it give the woman the
option of paying the fine or working at a charity
store in a Monday sorting and clearing the craf leftover
the weekend and covered in urine is a good punishment
urine and worse. So you know this story is on

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the back of a woman who was caught on CCTV
making a donation when the store was closed, but the
the council, the Auckland Council saw it as dumping and
not a donation at all, because it wasn't when the
store is opened and you don't know if they want
them and they don't want the stuff or not. Yeah,
so she's facing four hundred dollars, so yeah, give her

(01:04:17):
a job dealing with your own soak clothes on a
Monday morning. I think she'd probably play the four.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Hundred absolutely oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number.
Call esh, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Good mate, good, very good?

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
So what are you reckon about these people who dump
outside of these charity stores?

Speaker 11 (01:04:38):
Do they have any other option? The problem is that,
I mean, I'm talking about myself. Both of us walk.
We do all cleanup and walk at home over the weekend,
but when we go out to donate the stincs over
the weekend, after you've done a bit of a cleanup,
they're always closed. So there's no other option.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Right, yeah, well, well, I mean.

Speaker 11 (01:04:59):
We end up throwing can I finish? We end up
throwing things in the council recycles, uh, places that could
be very easily reused by people, right if if they
plan out themselves and like maybe close on a Monday
and open all day Sturday or a Sunday where people

(01:05:21):
can come and drop these things and they can check
and see what is good for them to keep and
retain the others, that will probably help. Yeah, But in
saying that, all the other stuff that they another lady
said that they use about a million dollars to dump stuff. Yeah,
pay their side of the play their game and give

(01:05:43):
that I mean give people discount, right or no, don't
charge them for it because they are a charitable organization.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Yeah, but I guess even though yeah, yeah, I see
what you're saying it, I guess they would say the
charity stores is that they work with people that are
volunteering their time, so they might just have have trouble
with uh, you know, running it seven days away so
people can drop off. But also it seems ash that

(01:06:11):
a lot of these dumpings happen in the middle of
the night, so they're not good people like you that
are actually looking for an opportunity. So it'd be fantastic
if they were open for you. But I think what's
happening actually is people are just dumping it and looking
for and looking for when the shop is closed so
they can dump it to get rid of their stuff.
If you're what I'm saying, I do not disagree.

Speaker 11 (01:06:33):
Yeah, I do not disagree. There are people like that,
but probably thirty percent of the people people just don't
bother going there anymore giving things to them to resell
or reuse or whatever because of the difficulty of actually
getting in there to give.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
It to them. Yeah. But yeah, well just just quickly ash.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
I mean, look, I get your point, but isn't the
point of giving to a charity shop is you know
they are doing good for the community, so you kind
of go out of your way to help them out
as well. And it might be a pain, but if
you go in your weekend, you know it's up to
you to be a bit charitable to the charity shops
as and you giving some time to go down on
the weekend and giving your stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:07:13):
If they're opening the weekend, yes I'm willing to do that.
But even even if they open a little bit later,
like open at ten o'clock and open till six thirty
or seven o'clock, then we work for walking people, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Well think if you're cool, Ash, Yeah, I mean I
see most charity shops open on Saturdays, though, aren't they?

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Saturday morning at the very least, so that I guess
that's a good time if you work all week. If
you're a hard working person like Ash and you can't
get in, then I think most of them open and Saturdays.
That could be wrong, actually, but e one hundred and
eighteen eighty if you know, But I feel like I
see the savs open on Saturdays. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
We'll try and find out some information on some of
the local Salvation armies on when they are open. But
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Call Rose. Your thoughts on this chumping business.

Speaker 23 (01:08:02):
Well, I'm not a chumper, guys, but three things and Friday,
three teens, there's a lot of chumping going on in town.
I don't want to even say our town. But this
chick was going through the clothes before they even get
got to the shop. She was on CT camera and

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got so bad that she's in jail now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
She'll been to jail for chumping.

Speaker 21 (01:08:31):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Wow, how much chumping do you need to do to
get jail? Time, she had leeks and prolific.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Well, so she went to Dale for stealing stuff that
other people had donated to a charity shop out of hours.

Speaker 23 (01:08:47):
Is that what you're saying, right, yeah, among a couple
of other things. She used to go uptown and steal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Bikesh right yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yep, so she was.
There was a number of crimes being committed. One of
them was chumping. Yeah, and the race was just general feverite.
Just sounds like a generally crap person, yeah yeah, and
a chumper on. But there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
I mean, whether this particular woman who's facing the four
hundred dollar fine deserves jail time, I don't know if
it's quite to that level yet.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Hard labor was that hard labor, hard labor breaking rocks. Actually,
I do like the idea of making her work on
a Monday morning and clean up all your own state quotes.
That is a fear punishment, genuinely fear punishment. Thank you
so much for your call, Rose, really appreciate it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you want to send a text message
more than welcome. Nine two ninety two is that number?

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
We've actually got a couple of texts here that's come
through on nine two nine two supporting chumping, which is
charity dumping. By the way, we've just made up that
term today, chumping. Charity dumping. We're going to catch on
when you just dump your stuff out the front of
a charity store when they're not open, and generally it's
stuff that they don't want. So there's some people that
support chumping. This is going to be good. There's someone

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that supports everything. There's eighteen to three.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
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Style and Design have it all us talk.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Said, be good afternoon. It is quarter three now we've
been talking about chumpers. That is a term that we
have made up here at the Afternoon Show, but it
means charity dumpers, and it appears there are some people
out there who are in favor of chumping.

Speaker 22 (01:10:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
So charity dumping, just to make it clear, is when
you go after our hours and you dump your donations
out the front of the store, not knowing whether they
want to take it or not. Rather than taking it
when they're open so they can pick and choose what
they want. It's it's a fine line between donations and
just dumping your crap for someone else to deal with it.
This text here takes issue. Oh no with my opinion

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on this. Yeap, what a load of crap, says this
textra on nine two nine two. You guys are fascists. Wow.
Charity shops should be grateful they get anything. They don't
get to pick and choose. If you are selling free
stuff like they do, suck it up and take this
stuff you don't want to dump. I will continue to
drop my donations off whenever I want pathetic from you. Also,

(01:11:15):
I'm sick of Matt saying he wants to taser people
for every little crime. You really think someone dropping off
clothes should be tasered? Fascist? Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Well I disagree on ninety nine percent of that, But
you do love tasers all of a sudden, you really
really love dases.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
It's a metaphor. I don't actually, I don't actually think
that this woman should be days it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
But to the rest of what that Texas said, you're
a bad person. You're a bad, bad New Zealander, Sharon,
How are you this.

Speaker 16 (01:11:43):
Afternoon, Good afternoon, good, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Now what's your take on the charity dumping?

Speaker 16 (01:11:50):
Well? As the manager of an up shop, I've been
following this thread very interestingly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Oh good, You're the perfect person to talk to.

Speaker 16 (01:11:57):
I definitely have a lot to say, but I won't
keep you too much on the air. We get illegal
dumping on a quite a regular basis after hours, so
our shop is open Monday to Friday nine am two
four pm. We're open on Saturday from nine to one,
so plenty of time. I disagree with ash saying that

(01:12:21):
we should say open longest to accommodate those who want
to bring their stuff. We feel if you can't bring
it in those times, you know, have a family member
bring it. I have issued Auckland Council fines at four
hundred dollars apiece for illegal dumping. Just this morning I
came to work and watched my CCTV footage and there

(01:12:42):
was another illegal dump at quarter past three in the afternoon.
What was it quarter past three in the morning, My apologies,
quarter past three in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
What was that dumping, Sharon?

Speaker 16 (01:12:52):
That was rubbish, soiled, dirty, smelly, stinking clothing that I
had to put in my skip bin and we have
to pay you know, JJ Richards bless their hearts to
pick up our skippin for the rubbish. I have three
skippins on my property to accommodate the illegal dumping. Yeah,
and if it's not sellable enough to go into the shop,

(01:13:14):
it has to go into a skip bin. And I'm
sure lots of op shops have skip bins on their property.
That's also another down for that's for another conversation, because
I get my bins broken into oh Man where they
pull out our rubbish and leave a huge, big mess.
And because we are on private property, council doesn't really

(01:13:37):
look to us very favorably, so we have to deal
with the rubbish because you're on private property.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
This is charity stores that are doing good in the
community and you guys are under sea.

Speaker 16 (01:13:48):
Yep. Absolutely, we are a church run op shop. I
have eighty two volunteers, so that is amazing. But I
don't expect my eighty year olds to be having to
haul dirty, smelly, broken shoes, dirty nappy soiled clothing into
a skippin at nine o'clock in the morning, or to

(01:14:09):
clear the front of my shop so we can start
our day because they've done their goods and they're claiming
most of them claim that, oh, they couldn't come at
another time. Well, I'm sorry, it's still it's after hours.
You wouldn't be dumping your stuff outside Farmers, would you,
or Bunnings or any other shop in town. Well, you
can't start dumping it outside my shop.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
You can't stay for twenty four to seven just for
when people want to dine, And.

Speaker 16 (01:14:35):
Exactly I cannot accommodate those people. I respect those that
have to work till five and there is no way
to get their goods to us. But we are open
Saturday till one. We are open every day except for winners,
except for Sundays and Sat three holidays. Every other day
on the calendar we are open.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
How do you I mean, Well, obviously your staff would
be absolutely heartbroken by this behavior. As you say, eighty
year olds or people who just want to come and
volunteer and do good in the community and lose faith
in humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
I imagine seeing this stuff.

Speaker 16 (01:15:07):
If absolutely we give away. Last year we gave away
sixty thousand dollars to the community, and which is amazing.
But if we have to pay, you know, so much
in dump fees. That just cuts into the money we're
giving back to the community. If we have to pay
to the skip then's picked up. Or if they dump
an old sofa on our back door step, we can't

(01:15:29):
sell it, so we have to pay the dump fee
to have it taken up to the local dump.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
It's come of them.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
So yeah, there is.

Speaker 16 (01:15:36):
Differently two sides to the story. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Yeah, wells and see what you say about opening hours,
because this tech sum that sums it up quite nicely
on nineteen nine two. If you're dumping at three am,
you know it's crap.

Speaker 16 (01:15:46):
Yeah, exactly. And I've been I've been a manager of
the shop coming up nine years and ninety percent of
the time the stuff that's dumped at three am and
one am is for the skippin. Yeah, and that's why
they do it. They're bring in at that time because
they're too embarrassed by it, or they know if they
turn up at nine o'clock, I'll to tell them no

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because it's right. So nine times out of ten, if
they're bringing it after hours, sorry, it is crap.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Yeah. Think you for your call, Sharon, Yeah, I mean
you're not. That's the mindset of it. So if you're
bringing it after hours and it's crap, then don't hid yourself.
All you're doing is making your mess someone else's problem.
And the person who you're making it someone the people
that you're that you're making it their problem, are people
that are trying to do good. They're trying to do charity,

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the charity shops. So you are bad person, and you
are a bad person and the dead of the night.
I mean, that is just cowardly.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
And I said before that I thought taser was a
little bit too far from you, but I've changed my
mind and bring it to dasers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
That is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Oh it had highly you fascist. Eight is a number
to call. It is nine to three.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
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Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
Max.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 24 (01:17:14):
Oh, good afternoon guys. Our first time I'll run is here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Listen to you a lot though, Thank you for that
and thank you for ringing.

Speaker 16 (01:17:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:17:23):
I just got in the car and I heard the
tail end of somebody get in a fine for dumping.
Some do nations or rubbish.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Office right yeah, yeah, chumping as we're calling it charity jumping. Dumping.

Speaker 24 (01:17:39):
Yeah, I've seen of some people I do voluntary and
the second in shops and we don't actually take those
nations where we are and people get angry at that.
But the thing is we don't have a lot of
faith all the time. We do have a store rooms

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down and GEI that we're and tim newer, and people
still bring a lot of stuff along the actually dumpers.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Right, And so the store that you've got you don't
take donations, but you've got a an HQ that would
and then feed them back to you if they're good.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Is they were better?

Speaker 12 (01:18:17):
Correct?

Speaker 24 (01:18:18):
All of our staff for all of our shops around Auckland.

Speaker 12 (01:18:22):
Everything goes to our main store and room. They go
everything through everything, they kick everything's works before they actually
bring it to the stores.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
And so people get angry at you if you tell
them that we don't take donations, we can't take your crap.
They get angry at you.

Speaker 24 (01:18:39):
Sometimes they do and we send them across the road
to the other shop when they're going to say the same.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Yeah, thank you so much. For your call. Max.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
If you get angry at the charity stop workers because
you can't give them your crap, then.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
You're a person. You're a bad person. You're not donating
at that point. This is coming from you're trying to enforce.
You're trying to force them and turning themselves into a
rubbis dump. That's what you're trying to do.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Yeah, yeah, right, we'll wrap this one up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Yeah, hey, actually I've got the story. There's a lot
of people talking about clothing bans, but I saw the
most horrific thing happening in a clothing ban and I
have to share this, but we don't have time now,
so so i'll share it after we've had the news.
Very good, shocking thing that happened to my mate, Grubby
and a clothing bin.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Right, this is going to be good, and as we've mentioned,
we've called it chumpers. But thank you very much for
all your text and phone calls on this one. New
Sport and Weather on its Way. Great to have you
accompany this afternoon. You're listening to Matt and Tyler, New
Sport and Weather on its Way.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Oh Man's must go.

Speaker 5 (01:19:45):
In don tonight. I need the fun things lone Man
where I go. It's over time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk It's Mattie
and Tyler Adam Afternoons with the Volvo x eight on
News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
After no Welcome back into the show Friday afternoon, six
PAS three Happy Hour if you will. Now, before we
move on to our next topic, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Yeah, that's right, I had to share the story because
we were talking about chumping. These are people that dump
their donations to charity stores at three am in the
morning and they're not really donating their dumping, so we
call them charity charity dumpers were chumpers, yep. And yeah,
they're bad people. It's official now that is government's ancient Yes, yeah,
and there probably should be a sort of PSA going

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around about them. But there was also a lot of
talk about misuse of clothing bins yep. Massive. Now back
in the day in christ Church when I was living
down there, they have clothing bins that didn't have before
they wiresed up to having the bit where it first
goes in and you put them in, then you put
it in yep. And so I was walking home for

(01:21:08):
the ducks the lux with my friend grubby one night.
Oh no, grubby yeah, and grubby is. But bear in mind,
I'm a teenager at this point, and you know, I'm
an upstanding member of the community right now. So eighteen nineteen, yeah,
I'm upstanding. You know, No, flies are a fantastic human being.
Now I think everyone would agree, incredible, But back then
I was an absolute piece of crap. Anyway, Anyway, I

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didn't actually do the thing that was wrong here. But
we were walking home and we walked past this clothing
burd and he goes, watch this, I'm a jump in there.
And I was like, okay, and so he jumped in right.
But then suddenly there was a banging and craziness and
it was like a cartoon. It was like you know

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when and there was all this yelling and he jumped in.
There was somebody already in there, so I don't know,
there was some some guy was sleeping in there. So
there was two of them got into this big cards
inside the clothing, but there was no clothes in there.
I'd take it. No, there were clothing there, but there
was and that's fine. There was supposed to be closing there.

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There wasn't supposed to be one person in there, let
alone two people. And so I don't know why that
other person was in there. They might have been homeless
or something, but boy oh boy, that would have been
a shock to the system for him. And as a result,
there was this whole cartoon like free cars in there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
You would have been thankful there was some clothes in
there for padding from whoever the second person, and there was.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Yeah, so I had pull Grubby out. Great story, but
with a nickname like Grubby, I'm not surprised he seemed
to end up doing a lot of that kind of stuff.
The only surprising part was you didn't end upman there
as well. But anyway, I just needed to get that
off my chest as a confessional that I was involved
in the Great clothing Bin for cars of Christ Church
in the late nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Grubby, if you're listening, give us a bowt I want
to hear more eight hundred and eighty ten eighty right
on to this topic because this is going to be
a doozy the best Kiwi band of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
That's right. She had are shutting up shop. Tonight it
spuck Atina sold out at the stadium in Auckland and
then tomorrow their finally have a show back where it
all started in Wellington at Homegrownd. They're going to be
a fantastic couple of shows. They've been playing a few
the other day. They're at the power Station doing a
special album show the other day that was apparently phenomenal,

(01:23:27):
but they are always phenomenal live, she had. That's one thing.
They're the real deal. Great songs, full albums and great
live shows. Just absolutely fantastic live shows. And that's how
they cut their career in Australia as well. They've just
had a sold out tour of Australia as well recently.
But it begs the question, after thirty seven years together,

(01:23:48):
she had a been in our life all that time,
are they New Zealand's greatest ever band?

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Yeah, certainly be up there, as you say, was it
thirty seven years? Longevity in that business is an impressive feat.
And not just longevity but still selling out. That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Six number one albums, the most top forty singles of
any band in New Zealand history. Yeah, and over a
million live shows. I'm making that number up. I don't
know how many. In fact, I texted Johnny Tuga before
and I said how many shows do you reckon you've played? Yeah,
and he said, no idea mate, A lot of a lot,
He said, no idea mate, Please leave me alone. I've
told you about texting me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Yeah, yeah, just stopt in mates. But oh, one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Who is
New Zealand's greatest band of all time? We've had some
absolute amazing bands and punch above our weight.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
I've got to say internationally when it comes to our bands,
are we going to what should we call it? Artists?
You know, musical artists. Yeah, let's go artists. Our greatest
musical artist. I don't when you bring in some painter.
We're talking about music artists. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. Who is
the Greatest New Zealand Musical artist of all time? It's
eleven past three, good afternoon, and we've asked the question
what is the greatest New Zealand musical artist of all time?
On the back of she had They are finishing their

(01:25:13):
what would you say, their musical career, their tour.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
They're hanging up their guitars, their drums and their vocal
cords and their bass guitar. Yeah, nicely Tomorrow night at
Homegrown and Wellington, which will be fantastic show. Homegrown is
always good and it's the last Homegrown ever in Wellington,
so it's kind of kind of fitting that she had
from the area. Are going to finish up there? Of
course tonight at Spark Arena. Ye, playing a sold out show,

(01:25:38):
so finishing in a stadium, so you'd say they're finishing
on a high. But are they New Zealand's greatest ever act?

Speaker 7 (01:25:45):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Guys, she had New Zealand's a greatest rock band. Definitely
a brilliant live act. Listening to John Tugot interview this
morning on The Breakfast Show with wats his face, he
was hunting at possible future performances The Urge Return of
the Urge Returns. Yeah, I heard him say that. He said,
while see how I feel in eighteen months. Yeah, but

(01:26:06):
now they're shutting up. She had surely say that. It's
not gonna be one of those things like Kess that
keeps doing their final tour and getting back together. I
think this is done. But he has he has other
other music he does, like the adults and stuff, and
he does his acoustic talks still in the industry.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
If you will, yeah, yeah, Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Jody. How are you?

Speaker 13 (01:26:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
I thank you guys. How do you guys?

Speaker 13 (01:26:28):
Go?

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Very good? Who do you reckon? Greatest New Zealand musical artist?

Speaker 6 (01:26:33):
Well, mate, I love here like a whole Oh great bad.
We've had so many greats like the Darts, explaining that
Freddy's drab, tunny days, the Dudes, the Chobles, Herbs drag.
But I'd have to say Splits it be our greatest.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Yeah, well, so many fantastic songs split Ins. I was
listening to the Second Thoughts album the other day, which
is a very very old Split Ends album I think
came out in nineteen seventy six. But there's a song
on it called sweet Dreams that is just such a
fantastic song by Splittinens. This isn't even one of these
celebrated songs, but if you get a chance, listen to
sweet Dreams from the Second Thoughts album, it is a

(01:27:14):
phenomenally good song. Yeah. And they just had they had,
They had Mona Lisas all over over the shops for
the ends guarantee. Would you agree? Would you put them
above crowded house?

Speaker 14 (01:27:24):
Jodie, Oh, way above?

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:27:29):
I saw them a few times.

Speaker 8 (01:27:31):
I remember at the Rainbow Warrior concert. I think they
said that that was going to be the last, the
last time together. But I think they just ended and
got back together another three or four times.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
It does seem to happen when the money's right, yeah,
because because a lot of rockers, a lot of rockers
do they sit aside to retire and then they're sitting
around home and they're going, do you know what was
really fun? It was playing in front of a huge
crowd of people screaming and singing along to my music.
That was really fun, and they want to get back
into it. Plus the money talks and b S walks. Definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
I've just had a quick look at that Rainbow Warrior
Music festival. Man, that was a lineup Jackson Brown, Neil Young, Herbs,
split Ins far Out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
That would have been a good time.

Speaker 6 (01:28:15):
That was great, mate, it was great.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
I tell you another fantastic song you bring up Herbs
sensitive to a smile whenever that song comes up. That's
such such a beautiful, beautifully well written song in a
fantastic sentiment. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call Neville Neville greatest New Zealand band
all time?

Speaker 9 (01:28:36):
Well through Falling Leaves, I picked my way slowly.

Speaker 20 (01:28:39):
Yes, your formula, wouldn't it nature.

Speaker 9 (01:28:43):
As in New Zealand's the greatest song.

Speaker 20 (01:28:45):
We've already known that. They've already done that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Yeah that's right. Yeah, Well they in a fantastic cover
from the Mutton Birds of that song as well.

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
Yeah, because that was that was a good cover.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Yeah, so Apraa in that big you know vote that
they had a few years ago that came out as
a numther one song, didn't it. But I guess you
might say did they have a lot of songs though,
because we only really know one song from the formula
they went.

Speaker 20 (01:29:12):
They went to England quite early and sort of from
there we lost them because back then we didn't get
a lot of you know, what was going on in England.
They wouldn't have been a big deal, so we wouldn't
have heard of them ever. Again, they might have been England,
I don't know, but yeah, Wayne Mason's still around, Yeah, yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
It's just it's just such a great song. It's such
a like.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Yeah, I'm not familiar with this one, but I just
looked it up. Come with Me got to number two
on the charts in nineteen sixty eight.

Speaker 8 (01:29:41):
Oh come with Me?

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Okay, I'm there you go.

Speaker 7 (01:29:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
What was that band that had that song? They had
a number one hit in the seventies that went out
on the street, Out on the street.

Speaker 21 (01:29:52):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Good question? Space box? Yeah, Andrew heard from the other
from Studio B there. Yeah, very good.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you want to teach through you more
than welcome. A heck of a lot of teas have
come through on the greatest KI artist of all time?

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Yeah, that's right he had, retiring after thirty seven years tomorrow.
But are they New Zealand's greatest ever banned nineteen past three.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons Call eighty eighty on News
Talk ZB.

Speaker 13 (01:30:33):
The students.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
On the street Space worlds out on the street.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Very bowie, Yeah, I feel about it, isn't it?

Speaker 16 (01:30:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Fantastic. So that's Brent Echols on the drums there for
that band that you know you might know him from
touring in New Zealand, very big part of the New
Zealand touring industry. Went on to be drummer for the Angels.
But I was talking to him about that song once
and he said when they appeared on TV, because everyone
watched TV back then. So when Space Woltz appeared on

(01:31:10):
TV and played that song and he was sitting on
the drums in a little because he wasn't really as
glad as the other ones, they just put a butterfly
on his forehead before they shot the video and it
was on TV. And he said, you went from no
one knowing who you were to just completely famous across
the whole country, just by one television appearance back then. Man,
some great texts. Alistair Adele was the songwriter Alistair.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Adel There's some great teats coming through on the greatest
artists New Zealand artists of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
This text to says catch a Fire is the band?

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Yeah, great band, good times. Hey guys, the most underrated
band in New Zealand is the Naked and Famous.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
How they never went big? Oh never know? From Caine, Well,
they went pretty huge nationwide. A friend of mine saw
them at Coachella and they had a huge crowd. So
Young Blood was a massive hurt punching and a Dream
was a big hit. So they became massive in the
alternative word globally and so they were a huge festival bands.

(01:32:04):
So they had a lot of success. The Naked and Famous.
Who was the rapper that ripped off when their songs?

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Oh, machine Gun Kelly, Yeah, this one guy split the
ins without a shadow of a doubt in guys, My favorite,
hands down is jin Wigmore.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Jin Wigmore. She's still playing shows. Wow, she's a lovely person.

Speaker 25 (01:32:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
What goes on to say? How many artists have had
their song used in a James Bond movie? Sky for
a good question? How many New Zealand ares A lot
of artists have Neither Will Dancing Toys. We're getting a
lot of texts for them, but I'd say you can.
You need to have more than one song we're talking
about she had thirty seven years. Yeah, you know, the
most top forty hits of any New Zealand band, Six
number one albums, Neither Wild Dancing to Toys for Today.

(01:32:44):
Fantastic song, absolutely brilliant, great du need and music and
any crummer when she starts singing at the end, she
just takes it to another level. It's a fantastic song.
But where's your follow up?

Speaker 26 (01:32:56):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
One hit one?

Speaker 8 (01:32:56):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Where's your follow up? Yeah? Oh, one hundred ten eighty
is the number of gulls, says the guy with noted we've.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Got full boards here. Hey, there's a few ticks coming
through from Deja Voodoo. Calvin, how are you mate?

Speaker 27 (01:33:10):
Very good? Yeah, Dame Kerrie to Canawa equaled probably with
Dame Melvina Major. And I saw Dame Melvina Major and
the Hamilton Founder's Theater which recently has been completely demolished.
It's gone back to a sports field now. But she
was fantastic. She could, Dame Melvina Major could yodel and

(01:33:31):
play the ukulele.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
I didn't know that about the yodling.

Speaker 27 (01:33:35):
Well you know it now, yeah I do.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Kerry Takana would never be seen yodling, would she?

Speaker 27 (01:33:41):
But she was should be seen before the previous Queen
of New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, like just internationally respected opera singer.
A phenomenon. Now I've got that theater named after a
terrifying woman. Though terrifying woman. She's absolutely destroyed many a
New Zealand interviewer. That's why she's so successful, right she
can be icy cold, can dame? Could he connel? Absolutely hamish?

(01:34:10):
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 22 (01:34:12):
Well mate, yeah, I said to the producer. He asked
me who I thought was the greatest.

Speaker 26 (01:34:20):
Uh, and I said ends, but mainly because like you know,
I mean globally they were massive. We listened to the
likes of Op and Anthony mm hmm, which was a
radio station in the States, shock jocks, and I mean,

(01:34:41):
uh and like you know, comics like you know kel
Tony and I mean those guys, those guys. Actually they
were talking about the concert they saw of oh, you
know where Neil went to the band that Neil went

(01:35:03):
to Leetwoode, and they were saying that it was okay,
but the highlight was seeing Neil Finn and they knew
where he had come from, like you know, and they
were saying split the end songs and so and so forth.
But you know what I mean, and you forget that
they were massive in the States. Another another one which

(01:35:27):
probably no one will pick up on, is a band
called Human Instinct.

Speaker 5 (01:35:32):
Human interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
They were they were phenamenal. That was Billy T Yeah,
Bill tk T Yeah yeah, and Uile guitar, incredible guitarist.

Speaker 22 (01:35:44):
Yeah, amazing, and also Maurice Greer. He was the drummer
and it was the first stand up drummer in New Zealand.
Like he didn't sit down, he stood up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
This is kind of New Zealand's Jimmy Hendrix experience really.

Speaker 22 (01:36:02):
Yeah, pretty much they were touring with Hendrix and yeah,
also uh leads yep.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Yeah, fantastic. Yeah, that was interesting because you know, I
went along to see Fleetwood Mac with Niel Finn and
whilst the harmonies weren't quite right because I'm a huge
fan and Lindsay Buckingham wasn't there, highlight was when they
played I Got You and you know, Stevie next talks
about how she she saw that I Got You video
on TV and she was just mesmerized by the song
and you know, and and Niel Fin singing it in

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the way he looked into the camera and that's that's
one of the reasons why they reached out to him
to to take the spot of Lindsay Buckingham.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Makes you feel proud, doesn't it. I went one hundred
and eighty ten eighties and I'm to call Dave, how
are you?

Speaker 9 (01:36:47):
Can you hear me? Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Gotcha?

Speaker 28 (01:36:50):
But I only just tuned in, so I don't know
if these bands have already been named. We are talking
about bands, not one one artist.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
We can talk about anything. We can talk about anything.
It's on the back of She Had, who obviously a
rock band.

Speaker 28 (01:37:03):
Yep, yeah, yeah, sure, Had. I mean, yeah, yep. We
all know Splittings blah blah blah. Yeah, but look, I
think Feelers if you're talking about quality, then I think
I mean that that the album to feel has put
in the same as Dave's work with Diddie smashed the
album while and I also think My six man, the

(01:37:23):
sound that they put when they when they hit the scene.
Everybody we're going. I've seen interviews with people going to
Sweet Words, and they all wanted to see My six
and I have listened back to the sound that they're
putting out.

Speaker 7 (01:37:32):
Man.

Speaker 28 (01:37:32):
I mean, you know, they just they're awesome band.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
That song Blue Day by My six is such a
phenomenally good song.

Speaker 28 (01:37:44):
That's a very They showed the chops shod chops, I
showed they didn't just pump out you know, you know
up the rockers that that's a really good, sort of
a semi ballad sort of thing. It's a new song.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Yeah, and can Peppeter game, Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Great packs a couple of ticks, and then we'll wrap
it up because headlines on its way. God, it has
to be split INDs, crowded house boys. She had all
day long, but six sixty is pretty good as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Yeah, there you go. Dalvanius, Oh yeah, Dalvanius, Darcy Clay
Dusk had one fantastic song, Jesus was Evil. Dobbin Dobbin Dobbin,
Split the Ends, there's a lot of Split Ends exponents.
Best pub rock band ever, space Farm not familiar, how
we Howe Morrison, Howard Morrison will get a bit of

(01:38:37):
him later on. Ray Columbus Yeah, Ray Columbus, Yeah. Straw
People were great. Nothing for Lord yet, have we got
anything for Lord? Nothing for Lord? Does this span? Deja Voda?
A lot of people texting through Deja just pretty good.
That's weird because I've got one of their albums here,
Brown Sabath on vinyl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they gold band.
A lot of people send them, but probably not quite

(01:38:59):
as good as she had. They had some great all
right then what a fantastic discussion, A lot of love
for New Zealand music. Oh yes, what do you need
We well, we've got We've got Mike standy. Okay, let's
go to a.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
Yeah, hi guys, Yeah no, My Peck is definitely the
greatest of all time in New Zealand over the decades.
And there has to be the Exponents, especially when they
teamed up with Dave Dobbin. I mean, those guys have
been up and down New Zealand so many times it's
not funny. And you know the exponents especially you know,

(01:39:35):
we us guys as late teenagers, we used to know
all these songs with just singam at parties everywhere. In
the concerts, we're outstanding. You get the loudest sing back
at a party concert.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Yeah, and you still get there with Jordan luckbands like
that as well. So then play recently and they play
a lot of songs, they play sput in songs, dude songs.
They play all kinds of New Zealand songs as well
in there and yeah, great sing along.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Yeah, the exponents, I mean just it's just magic. And
one I don't know when it was it might have
been ninety ninety.

Speaker 18 (01:40:07):
Three or four.

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
We went up to Tutor Carca and the Exponents were
with Dave Dobbin there and we didn't have tickets, so
we sat on a chain link fence next to the
Tutor Carka Pub on top of it, and we had
a view of the stage and so we saw the
whole concert just perched on top. And I don't know
how it happened, but for some reason, I think quite possibly,

(01:40:31):
we had a little bit too much to drink and
we were quite quite emboldened, and we managed to get
away afterwards into the Tudor Carca Pub, into the Executive
Lounge and we spent an hour with the Exponents and
Dave Dobbin and.

Speaker 9 (01:40:45):
It was just that was it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
It was just a what a cool night, how good?
I reckon a song from the Exponents back when they
were called the Dance Exponents. Airway Spies is an underrated
New Zealand classic. You know you're familiar with the Spies.
No Airway Spies, we all can be. Andrew's going to
try and fly away into the deep sky. Hye away.
It's a great song.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
I really want to hear it now. Andrew's trying to
track down a little bit of the Clipper, but we
might play some of that shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Chanelle Finster they were a great spin off from split
Ins band. Absolutely it's texta alemonop. Fantastic band yep, and
the mother and my children's the bass player of their band. Yeah,
so I support that. Dragon fat fred ise, drop fat free,
drop fat three is drop fat free, is drop fat free?

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
Is drop oemc how bizarre great song one at Wonder though.
Blurter Boy boys, so many coming through hell are you Picasso's.
I went to see them quite a few times back here.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
They super groove there on aur as well.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
Yeah, fantastic, right, good chat headlines coming up and then,
as we always do on a Friday, the New Zealander
of the week, it is twenty eight to four.

Speaker 13 (01:41:47):
US talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. The government's told delegates
at its investments summit in Auckland it's exploring tolls for
all it's upcoming major roading projects. Labors reassured investors at
the summit it won't cancel, pause or review projects just
because the national government started them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
Police say.

Speaker 13 (01:42:10):
Two more fires at Wayuku College near Auckland don't appear
to be linked to the threatening emails sent.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
To the school earlier.

Speaker 13 (01:42:17):
This week, John Hope mucheedo Hondo is being sentenced in
christ Church on seventeen charges of rape and sexual assault.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Homegrown Music Festival is under way for its.

Speaker 13 (01:42:29):
Eighteenth and final time on Wellington's Waterfront, with the lineup
including a final ever performance from She Had The Comfort
Zone Trap. Why playing it Safe is holding You back?
Read more at Enzen Herald Premium. Now back to Matt
Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Every Friday on Mattantil Afternoons on ZEB we award the
coveted New Zealand of the Week to a newsmaker who
has had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful nation.
As always, there will be three nominees, but only one winner.
And remember, like the Time magazine Person of the Year,
the New Zealand of the Week isn't always an agent
of good. They are sometimes heroes, sometimes evil offer an
averaged poor. So, without further ado, the nominees for Matt

(01:43:11):
and Tyler Afternoons New Zealand of the Week AH nominy
one also receives the Excellence and Historical Language Award. He
has been accused of using too much corporate speak, although
no one's ever explained why that's a bad thing. But
this week, while talking about the Wellington City Council, he
pumped energy into a lost, beautiful piece of Kiwi language.
It's pretty Lamo for bringing back the term lamo and

(01:43:32):
shoving it right back into the Kiwi vernacular. Christopher Luxen,
you have been nominated for New Zealander of the Week.
Weld Aright, last time I heard Lamo was at Marty Hill,
probably schooling dned beautiful from the eighties, warming him. Nomine
two also gets the Good Samaritan Award. We didn't get
them when we're at school now. Apparently it's tears and
tantrums and the end of the world if they aren't.

(01:43:53):
Three star Mitchen and level cuisine for gifting a bunch
of kids who don't seem to want them free lunches
the generous cash strapped New Zealand taxpayer. You were nominated
for New Zealander.

Speaker 18 (01:44:04):
Of the Week.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Yeah, well deserved, Yeah buddy nice Also heartwent awing that one. Yes,
what a lovely gift and the winner that will be
the only one also receives the soundtrack of Our Lives
Award thirty seven years, six number one albums, a movie,
more Top forty singles than any other New Zealand artist,
a weird period where they changed their name, then changed

(01:44:26):
it back, but most of all a million gigs all
over the world and all of which kept ass But
it all finishes with a sold out gig at Spark
Arena tonight and then a farewell in the place it
all started, Wellington tomorrow night at Home, Grind Home Again,
Run Pacifier, the general Electric, wait and see comfort me
one will hear the other. So many great songs, John, Phil,

(01:44:49):
Tom and Carl, collectively known as She Had for being
the biggest and best rock band in New Zealand across
four decades. You are the Matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealanders.

Speaker 27 (01:45:00):
Of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Congratulations Johnny, too good and she has Oga. God bless
and God's bleed and enjoy your retirement.

Speaker 18 (01:45:28):
We've just got back from Australia. Every show in Australia
was sold out. I don't think we've done that, and
it's just been a joyous celebration of music every night.
I think, just for once in my life from when
up in eighteen, she has always been the priority. It's
always come first before everything, and so I just wanted

(01:45:50):
to try putting my family first.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
And Tyler Adams here, he is fantastic. Yeah, great. Winn
did half an hour of asking what the best band
in New Zealand was. Everyone said split ins, and then
I announced she had as New Zealand of the Week,
saying that the bestpans the last thirty seven years.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
So well deserved, though well deserved, sorry spliteans, but she
had time, she had day to day, yeah, absolutely, and
tomorrow right, So it is time for topical Tunes, a
game we play every Friday afternoon. We're Matt and I
each pick a song related to a theme of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Yeah, and I'm feeling like we might be flogging the
same horse here at this hour. I was going to
play a song with hog Snort, Rupert's Original Flag and Band,
or the Dead Suns or Straight Ticket Fits to celebrate
New Zealand music, but it has to be she had

(01:46:47):
that fantastic band, as we say, the last yow tonight
and tomorrow night, and this is their best song. Hundred
eighty eight topical tune, Pretty good at Home again.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
So, like you said, I've also gone for as she
had number because what a career and one of our greatest,
if not the greatest, thirty seven years.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
She had record company paying us for this hour. Will
they see what's going on? They should have seen an invoice. Yeah,
if you're listening, is big time. But the song of
God for is one that always gets the crowd raked up.
It is this one. Two things yep, personally eight hundred

(01:47:37):
and eighty ten eighty first to three wins Tyler or me.
This is strictly speaking Pacifier when they changed their name
from She Had to Pacify. Yeah, I mean, I know
this is what the album's called.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
But no, that was, you know, a blip in their
otherwise illustrious career.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Okay, so it looks like, yeah, you've jumped on my
topic there, Tyler. I imagine that the voters on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty will take umbrage at that
and vote for me. But yeah, which song is it
mineor Tyler's Home Again or run hundred eighty ten eighty
You know what to do nineteen nine two if you
want to send a text, but we don't count those.
It is nineteen to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
Four Mattith Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety
attention to detail and a commitment to comfort news talk.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Sa'd be It is time for topical tunes, where Matt
and I each peck a song related to what we
think is a theme of the week, and you decide who.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Wins in the song you want to hear? Yeah, so,
because she hads last two shows this weekend. Ever, I
picked this song from the great band.

Speaker 5 (01:48:46):
Very Handy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
The song yeah, with its daylight saving advice there very
I've used it on a number of occasions to work
it out, and so I one hundred and eighty teen
eighty Is that the topical tune? You want to vote
for me? And then Tyler, you piggyback on my topic? Yes,
I'm going she had as well. This is my song today,
an original five?

Speaker 16 (01:49:04):
Yeah, just right, you up.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
That's ready for the weekend. Music that is ready for
home growing. I'm gonna check the rule boot. Can you
use the same topic. I think I'm not sure you
might be you might be disqualified. We'll have a look
into it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
Yeah, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty What is the
song you want to hear? The first to three votes
takes it out. Greg, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (01:49:34):
Greg? Are you there?

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Hid a Greg? Greg?

Speaker 21 (01:49:39):
Greg?

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Right, We're going to come back to Greg. Just standing there?
Greg Heymos, Yep, mate.

Speaker 22 (01:49:46):
Yeah, I called you before. Yeah, I'm sorry. I've got
to go with Tyler's very Tyler's song, love that great song.

Speaker 3 (01:49:53):
You're a good man, Amosh, thank you very much. One
for me for run technically a technically a you said
they pacify song. You know they changed the name at
that point. Okay, one for you, one for me, grant
your your song.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Run run alright, two for me, two four well numb
for you at the stage.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
Some great texts coming through guys, Absolutely love Home Again.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Fantastic band she had as one of our greats. Put
your clocks back for the winter as such an emotional line,
clear winner, but the text don't count. One hundred and
eighty ten to eighty is the number to text. Absolutely
rubbish music. Prefer to talk about the kids lunches, says Jeff. Yeah,
forget she had? What about deja voda?

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
There's a lot of teach coming through for deja voodoo. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Call regarding the Sheila thing. As if it was a
toss up between Shana Lang and Sharon O'Neill in Tropical Paradise,
I would actually vote in this competition. Yeah right, the
phone lines have lit up. So who are we going
to here? Andrew? Are we going to Lynn? Get a lyn?

Speaker 25 (01:51:01):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
Lynn? And welcome to the show, Haylen Hi Hi. I'd
like to vote for Tyler. Let you go Shore you
win it? Yes, thank you? Brief a thread not very
not very credible. She had some, but look that's fine.
You won't.

Speaker 18 (01:51:16):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
The people have spoken, all right, the people have spoken.

Speaker 16 (01:51:22):
Rank it, frank a beer. It's the fact.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
And a joy, absolute choke. I'll let you away that.

Speaker 16 (01:51:35):
Yeah, thank you, Oh.

Speaker 25 (01:51:45):
Sad relical, that's the truth to say. You shows that
to ride again, watch.

Speaker 5 (01:52:15):
I stop watching dog still little tree tis.

Speaker 29 (01:52:38):
Lot to take kitchens still pens on his side and
the trees the god heppy.

Speaker 30 (01:52:54):
So watching.

Speaker 5 (01:53:04):
I got.

Speaker 30 (01:53:11):
Way on a way, so to go way on my
round to say.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
What a boy said, sure you.

Speaker 5 (01:54:11):
Watch hold and on holding on to.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
Let go and on hold around you there week run.

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
Thank you very much to all our listeners who voted
for what is an absolutely cracking She Had So on
the back of course of their tour, their last ever
tour wrapping up tomorrow, they're going to be playing Tonight's
and here in Aucklands.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
Yeah, but that's sold out, Sparkler and I'm pretty sure
you can't get any more tickets. And also at Homegrown
in Wellington, which we stopped the free she Had promotion.
That's been a whole hour of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And it's not I'm not just better because I lost that.
I am better because I No.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
No, We'll do it all again next Friday afternoon. Right,
So coming up very shortly, we're going to wrap up
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
It is nine to four, the big stories, the big issues,
the big trends and everything in between. Matt and Taylor
Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety attention to detail and
a commitment to comfort.

Speaker 5 (01:55:56):
News Dogs, EDB, News Dogs, EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
Good afternoon. Right, that is almost us for the week.
But there's something that you just wanted to ever we
mentioned about minute this whole.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
I've been getting increasingly annoyed by the Montana based Sam Jones,
the influencer that grabbed the baby wombat from its mother
and ran off while the while the mother was chasing her.
And she's ran away from Australia. The whole idea of
being an animal based influencer and then you clearly don't
care about animals at all. Look up the story. It'll

(01:56:27):
make you very annoyed. Hopefully her influencing days are over.
Sam Jones, you are lame.

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
I'm glad to see that she's been chased out of Australia.
That's the latest, is that she's she's escaped like a coward.

Speaker 5 (01:56:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
I don't know if he was chased out. I think
she ran away because yeah, you don't go messing with
a baby wombat in Australia and think he can get
away with it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:47):
Exactly right. That is ask for another week. Thank you
very much to everyone who called and took part in text.
Really enjoyed today and this week. We'll do it all
again tomorrow and tomorrow next.

Speaker 2 (01:57:01):
Week, Yeah we will. I'm off to the Warriors tonight,
so come on, let's get the season started out.

Speaker 3 (01:57:07):
Was that's what we want to and also the if
one on Sunday, Liam Lawson that is going to be
a fantastic watch.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
And a lot of exciting super rugby as well. Absolutely,
we'll see you next week.

Speaker 4 (01:58:08):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
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