Full Show Podcast: 15 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great, you've seen us. Welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number one eighty four for Friday,
the fifteenth of August twenty twenty five. Fantastic show today,
Tyler had the fifth great show.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yeah, uniform chat was fantastic. A lot of pushback on
kids wearing uniforms in year thirteen in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Of the week went well, and look, book clubs went
well as well, and there was something else. We did
a lot of Glaret's out there. Yeah, a lot of
pirates out there, a lot of people admitting to criminal
behavior later in the show.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
Go, love you big stories, the big issues, the big trends,
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons
news Talk, said B.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Very good Afternoons. You welcome into Friday show. Always feel
good on a Friday, Hoeing Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I love a Friday edition of Matt and Tyler Afternoons
on zb.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
ME too, and why wouldn't you now, just so are
we heads up? There was some accusations made this morning
against one of one of me Heath's body parts, and
it was made by Mike Cosking and I think Ryan
Bridge got in there as well. So you want to
address that after three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, So yeah, after three o'clock will address with the accusation.
But I've also got evidence that rules me out of
the They've got fingerprints, yep. And look, thank god that
they brought evidence because I can prove it wasn't me.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
So court will be incision after three o'clock and we'll
get to the bottom of that.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Let's just say I run gorilla hands and that rules
me out.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Exhibit Ay, that is after three o'clock. But also we
had a great shat yesterday about teachers' salaries and there
was the claim from Judith Collins that it can reach
up to one hundred and forty seven thousand dollars for
some teachers.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, and this was just breaking news at the time,
So we talked to a lot of people on the
sides of the issue throughout the hour and a half
we spent talking on it, and we got close to
the truth I think on it, but we didn't quite
put a cap on the end of it with the
exact information. And when you want the exact information, you
go to Hosking Breakfast and he well, let's be honest,

(02:23):
as producers collated all the information that we actually needed
at the start of that conversation.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
The base salary for an untrained teacher is eighty five
hundred and twenty nine dollars. The average teacher salary is
one hundred thousand dollars average. Now you can earn units
units relocated based on management and or curriculum responsibilities. Each
unit's worth five thousand dollars a year. There's a middle
management allowance that's two thousand dollars a year. There is overtime.
I'm not sure how applicable that is, but any timetabled

(02:50):
class contact in excess of your ten half days that's
five days a week, you get overtime. Any class contact
on a Saturday or Sunday, it's overtime. There's a two
thousand dollars service increment. So by the time you add
all of that up together and you get your teen years,
it is possible to be paid one forty seven thousand.

(03:10):
So I think where the acrimony has come between teachers
and the minister. He is does everyone at teen years
earn one full seven?

Speaker 5 (03:19):
No?

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Is it possible though to earn one full seven?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
So summary one for seven, one hundred and forty seven
thousand dollars pay claim could technically be correct, but you
need to be taking on a lot of units to
get there, and definitely everyone does not get there. It's
not a it's not some kind of base salary situation.
So there you go. You're not guaranteed one for seven,
far from it if you're a teacher exactly.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Weld do under Mike's producers on that one, right, sticking.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
With well delivered by Mike costumes, very well delivered actually
beautiful pipes, Uncle Mike.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, absolutely smashed it right. Speaking about education, this is
very different but still within the realms of education. Uniforms.
So christ Huge College you may have seen this story,
is bringing back uniforms for senior students after decades of
them wearing their own clothes mufty as it's otherwise known.
So this is despite strong opposition from the community, parents
and students. So currently year thirteen students are happening to

(04:17):
your high school. Get to wear whatever they want to
wear in their final year, but for now, the uniform
will come back next year be compulsory.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, well good, I say, one hundred eighty ten eighty.
What do you think I think? I think uniform right
through school. In fact, as I say to you before Tyler,
I think uniform that gets more and more formal before
you go through school. You know, when you're in year eleven,
you start wearing a tie yep, you know, looks good.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Shorts, yeah, pull up your socks.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Shorts nine and year nine and ten, yep, eleven, tie
twelve probably the same as eleven thirteen, some kind of blaze,
especially if you're starting to do well at school and
you're prefigt or you one of those people that's getting
position responsibility. Maybe even a hat with a tassel yep.
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do you
see the sense in this?

Speaker 3 (05:05):
If you're going to start off with the uniform at
year nine, do you go all way to year thirteen?
The students in the community and their parents would argue,
by the time you get to the year thirteen, then
you were starting to become an adult, and that's an
opportunity to start making some adult decisions. And the students
themselves would say, we're getting ready for the real world.
But as the real world, can you really wear what
you want to wear in the real world at work?

Speaker 7 (05:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
No, you know, we tried to put the definitive word
on the student pay are the student the teacher pay rates?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yep, it has been to dispute.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
There's a dispute already. A point of order, Lean says,
management units are four five hundred five thousand.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Well, there you go. You know where we asked the
Mike hostkme breakfast and it's it's producers to help us
out here.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Well, they asked the secondary teacher's collective agreement of twenty
twenty two to twenty twenty five. There you go. So
look we're out.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, we're out.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
We're out.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
No more of that.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Keen to hear
from you. On uniforms, does it make sense that the
uniform stays throughout the entire entirety of the high school
years or should the year thirteen and the old sinformers
get to wear whatever the hell they want.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I think all schools should have all uniform all the time.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
It is twelve past one.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
They'd be for a good afternoon to you. We're talking
about school uniforms. So change is being made at Papanui
High School. For decades the year thirteens could wear Mufty
whatever they liked. Part of that at the time was
they were treated like emerging adults and had the ability
to prepare for the real world. But they are changing that.
They are now deciding that year thirteens have to wear
uniforms that all be compulsory from next year.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
And a survey of over eight hundred people showed most students,
parents and community members opposed compulsory senior uniforms. What kind
of parents can oppose that kind of thing. This text
from Tim says Matt, I would put money on the
fact that you weren't uniform compliant when you were at school.
That's from Tim Well. I will push back on that.
Tim Beal, McEwen, intermediate me and Neil to Marley and

(07:06):
Simon Mioli. We stole some girls high blue shirts and
then claim to be prefects and then started ordering people
around off the pettit tennis courts.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
So technically were you we were We're in a uniform.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
We invented a uniform. There can't be a real name
to Marley? Is that just what?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
That was his nickname?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Neil to Marley Tomalley.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
And who is your auto mate?

Speaker 6 (07:27):
Sign Mali okayo? Yeah, Tomrley's a great last name. By
the way, Neil to Marley stole the uniforms off his sister. Actually,
Neil hot to Marley. He's a great man, good man.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. We'll just go over to the line there.
I think Emma is on the line here. Emma, you
are part of this fight. You're involved in this community.

Speaker 8 (07:50):
Yes, yeah, I've got two kids at school at the moment, brilliant.
One's going to be year thirteen next year.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Wow, you're the absolute perfect person to call. Thank you
so much, not a problem. Well do you feel about this, Emma?

Speaker 8 (08:06):
Well, a survey done, and I thought that they should
stick with non uniform because it's been at least thirty
seven years, and I also felt that the current year
twelves actually have worked their way through. They came in
on the promise of it, so that they deserve.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
It, right. I mean, there is the argument that there's
a certain generation of kids that are coming through feeling
like everything got taken away from them as have gone through.
So I get that, but from your perspective, now, don't
you just have to buy your kids a whole lot
of different, multiple uniform outfits for different days and such,

(08:42):
and it's the early the getting ready in the morning
is going to take longer.

Speaker 8 (08:48):
No, because, like one of the arguments is that it
makes it more fair and even for everyone that people
are wearing designer labels. But a challenge if anyone goes
to Pepnwi High School to see a designer label out there.
Most of the stuff are just sweatshirts and T shirts.
And I think you know, particularly you've you booked into

(09:09):
the school with that, it's a way of sort of
a bit of respect, it's sort of moving into being
an adult again. So I don't think you end up
buying a lot of clothing because you've got them anyway.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
So you think if they do it, they should bring
it in and tell the year that's starting now coming
in at nine, is it nine year nine deal? So
by the time you're year thirteen, then that changes up.
I can see some logic in them, because we're a
way to do it, because there's people have been going
to school, going to I'm going to get to we're mufty,
and I'm excited about that, and then they just take
it away. Now I can see that argument eman for sure, Yes.

Speaker 8 (09:40):
But also it's what a lot of the problems is
finding out why it was got rid of. So the
students were told that people voted against it. I was
told that people voted against having non uniform, but I
requested the actual survey. Because the survey was done, we
all gave our opinions and seventy five percent, roughly over
seventy percent asked to keep it. They didn't want changes

(10:03):
to the uniform because the whole uniform is being changed anyway,
particularly the year thirteen one. People voted to keep it
the way it was, So that was not a true fact.
So I've been trying to find out what else.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Behind it.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
You're an engaged you're an engaged parent.

Speaker 8 (10:22):
Yes, some would call me that.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Whi's good. We need people like you in the community
and around schools.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Do you think engaged parent might be a euphemism.

Speaker 8 (10:30):
Yes, another one. Yeah, But what we've been told now
is that there is some safety concerns because people may
be coming onto site who aren't students. And I believe
there are some who have done it. But my question
is why can't they wear a laniards. I've actually had

(10:51):
price two hundred and fifty lanyards which are printed with
a logo on the next strap and then an ID
card is about six dollars fifty.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
It's not bad, are you on the PTA?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, you should be.

Speaker 8 (11:03):
I don't play well with others.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Enough dricks Papanui High School and this is a hard
question to answer. A guest is that one of those
schools where people have a lot of pride in their
school students.

Speaker 8 (11:18):
For me, that's why that's what the new principle is
trying to do a lot more of. I mean, I
think Effen thinks it's a school. It's perfectly fine. I
know it's as big catchphrases to bring pride back into
the school. I don't think taking away what kids have
earned in their minds, and I actually think they have
all of a sudden for a uniform is going to

(11:39):
change that, Yeah, And I think it's just been done
too quickly and it's a kneegic reaction. I think they
could do their lanyards or badgers or some other form
of doing it. And I think pride in the school
paths comes through from the bottom, rolling all these things
at the top and going you are now this And
because they're saying that the year thirteens will now wear

(12:01):
the uniform with pride, and it's like these kids are
really upset. These kids are angry, and I don't think
there'll be any pride in it whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Next.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Does Papa Nui High School have a song? School song?

Speaker 8 (12:13):
I assume so, yes, yes, have I heard it?

Speaker 9 (12:16):
And of it?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
No love a good school song?

Speaker 10 (12:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Is pride in that? I can't remember the Nelson College song, But.

Speaker 8 (12:23):
I didn't go to the school myself, so I don't
really know what.

Speaker 11 (12:25):
I know.

Speaker 7 (12:27):
They will have.

Speaker 8 (12:27):
Something and the new uniform they are proposing, apart from
the year three tea, which I think terrible, it's actually, just,
to be honest, a version of what they've got. It's
a little bit smarter. I will admit that the other
concern I have with it is I've taken out the
polo shirts, and the polo shirts I think are good
for kids, because I don't for me, they have an
address and you're a diverse kids one who mainly because

(12:49):
I do have some and it's hard for them to
do buttons and various things like that. So all of
the new shirts have buttons. We've got all Scott Woolen
jerseys again, which every one knows a scratch and it year,
and even if they're not really real wall anymore. So
just the sort of more easy casual gear has gone
again because they wanted to make it obviously a more

(13:10):
formal because they're trying to bring back this pride thing.
But for me, you're just annoying kids. I've made other
changes as well that have sort of gone down like
a lead balloon.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Do they charge you quite a bit for the uniform?

Speaker 8 (13:23):
The uniform currently is actually quite cheap because you can
buy most parts elsewhere. A new blazer, which is what
they're wanting to introduce, but it won't be compulsory to
be all fair, The new blazers, like Blazes, are two
hundred and eighty dollars.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
That's a lot of money.

Speaker 8 (13:39):
But this year is year twelves going to thirteen can
just wear their old uniform. But it's not the same
thing as it. No not, they're not the musky that
they were promised.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
But but just on the brand thing. Look, I know
Pepinui well and it's you know, middle of the range area.
There's a lot of people who have done well in
that area, so I mean you'd admit it'd still be
is sixteen and seventeen year old kids. That's part of
being a kid, right, is that you want to have
the latest clothing and shoes and the trendy brand. So
an element of that would still.

Speaker 8 (14:11):
Happen probably for some kids, but for most of them,
I don't think it is. But also there's been no
interactional with the kids themselves. They're now year twelves will
be next to is thirteen. To say, do you really
see this as a problem because if you can't afford
to do it, I mean they it's still optional. They
can wear the school uniform if that's what parents want

(14:33):
to do. And I've been told yesterday that some kids
in year thirteen do still wear the uniform because they've
founded a better system. But I don't know, what's the number.
That's probably a very small percentage. So you can sort
of say you're trying to help those kids by punishing
everyone else. I think the Geneva Convention says that you're

(14:54):
not allowed to punish people for the crimes of others.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Wow, at high level, if you're bringing on the Geneva Convention,
I know, but.

Speaker 8 (15:01):
It's sort of like, you know, you're punishing people for
things that they haven't done, you know, and it's like,
you know, people get in trouble. Yeah, So I just
sort of think it's a real need joke because the
reality is what he wants, the principal wants is he
wants a new fancy uniform.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
There you go. Well, thank you for calling him. Always
great to hear from an engaged parent and the perfect
person to talk to actually has children going to not
only Papanu High School, but hitting year thirteen next year
and missing out in the uniform.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yep, great person to start this convo.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Worth.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Oh wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call? What do you think about school uniforms
in year thirteen? The old seventh form? Love to get
your thoughts on.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
This, Tyler time to admonish you you are not from Dunedin. No,
and you don't know local names. I know one of
the guys, Matt, Matt named, and I've heard of the
other one. Don't be a doubting Thomas. There you go.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Well, I'm very sorry. Do you all know each other
down there?

Speaker 2 (15:57):
You know?

Speaker 12 (15:57):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (15:58):
He sounds like a good man to Marley, Yeah, yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 13 (16:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
It is twenty four busts one, one hundred and eighty
ten eightyies the number.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
To call, putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the
mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
The constraints around information sharing is hindering government agencies and
responding to organized crime.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Where have we heard that before?

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Steve Simon is the chair of the Ministerial Advisory Group.

Speaker 14 (16:17):
I've been a prosecutor for twenty years and I think
it's been the bane of our existence in entire time.
If anything, I think it's probably got worse as comin
agencies have become more siloed and have become more risk adverse.
I think it starts with culture most I think your
point of it's been this consistent problem over the years.
What that's driving is this culture of if I don't share,
I won't get in trouble. If I do share, I

(16:39):
might get in trouble. So you can see which option
people are usually choosing.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Rain Drover News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
It is twenty seven past one.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
A good idea for a uniform for this group, but
should be based on business attire so the cost of
it is not wasted and could be used going forward
for formal will. That'd be an interesting idea. So it's
it's musty in the year thirteen, but you have to
dress like you're working in an office. Yeah, and the
law for a the war firm. See, because that actually
annoyed me when I was at school, because we had

(17:12):
muftiness in year thirteen right yep, which was called seventh
form back in that day. Yes, and I really liked
I thought I looked cool in the tie and the shirt.
I thought. I thought I looked really cool. And I
would wear my my school pants tucked into my tin
up docks and I had a really good look going,

(17:34):
a really good look going. And I got a few
detentions for tucking my pants into my docks, but it
looked cool. Having them on the outside doesn't look cool now,
but at that time, and Daneeda, when I was growing up,
that was cool.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
You're full of surprises, mate, that was cool.

Speaker 15 (17:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, And so when but I couldn't turn up to
school dress like that when it wasn't the uniform, you know, Yeah,
because if I'd been wearing if you're wearing, if you
chose to wear a tie as Mufty, then.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
They get beaten up on the street.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, I'll be in all kinds of trouble.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Well, yeah, because the quote here from one of the
students was that the idea of Mufty, you're wearing what
you want to wear, hears them for the real world.
I think that's a good point if you want to
prepare for the real world. Suit up. Oh, e one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I wonder how many people in favor of uniforms are
just mad because they had to wear them, and so
others should have to as well.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah, there'd be a bit of that.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Gray and welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (18:26):
Ye hi, guys. I'd just like to throw a bit
of context into this discussion, which is going almost straight
into fashion and brand cost I'm not from Papernui High School.
I'm christ Church resident. I've just read the paper this
morning with a balanced interview with the headmaster and he's talking, Yes,

(18:47):
the cost is an issue, but the whole problem for
him is control of the students on the campus. He said,
because there are the final year guys and girls wearing musty.
There are a lot of non students on the campus
during the day that they don't know who they are.

(19:08):
If they're wearing a uniform, they know those students. If
they're not wearing a uniform, they're not students. The issue
is that these people are probably coming are on his words,
coming on doing drug deals.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
You're right, and there's a.

Speaker 16 (19:22):
Whole bunch of issues. So you know, the context in
this discussion is crazy. It's not just fashion and no
attempts being made to go back and talk to the
head master of Papanui to get his views.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
We're trying to. But what do you think about what
em said when she was addressing that she called up
and she's got a kid that's starting in year thirteen
next year at Papinouia and she said what she suggested
to the school is that kids have to wear a lanyard,
a lanyard with ID on it, and if they're going
to wear mufty would that Would that do enough for you? Graham?

Speaker 16 (19:55):
Well, according to the article and the head master's comments,
that was something that wasn't particularly simple to arrange, and
according to him, I've got no feeling self. I personally
think that uniforms are the safest way of going. Yeah,
and you don't want to put pressure on some families

(20:18):
that couldn't afford it. It just keeps things sensible and balanced.
Everybody's the same and there's no need for any fashion
show and pressure social pressure on kids, which I think
is crazy anyway, there's enough of it going around now.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah. And as a parent and a person that was
at school at one point, the fact that no one
has to make a decision in the morning what they're
going to wear. You just throw through You make sure
that the uniform's clean, it's gone through the laundry, and
that the kids and it's just good to go as
opposed to what am I going to wear? And you
know that the emotional energy that a kid has to

(20:52):
spend on deciding what they're going to wear and how
they fit in with any particular click I don't know.
I just feel that's the energy that you don't need
when you're in year thirteen. You just don't need it.

Speaker 16 (21:03):
Yet totally agree and that the uniform absolves all that
plus the very real issues. I mean, patan Nui is
not an affluent area.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
It's not it's not too bad Graham, to be fair,
it's not affluent, but it's metal of the road.

Speaker 16 (21:19):
It's not the worst, no, But at the end of
the day, we know drug deals are going on at
all campuses, from christ College down to aaron Ui. You know,
that's just that's just what's happening and it's not going
to go away. And you've got to know who's on
your campus. That's why primary schools gates the lot because
they don't want creepy old men running around. I don't

(21:41):
know a whole bunch of safety reasons, but safety of
the children should be paramount.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah. Well, yeah, fair enough to well, I mean that's
that's I mean, it certainly makes that easier, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
It does.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
I mean you could have an ex student, you know,
wearing their old uniform and coming on to school to
sell drugs. I mean that they could get around it,
but that would be probably more effort than they're wanting
to put it.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
That's a lot of strategy. Yeah, oh, one hundred and
eighteen eighty is the number to call. We are attempting
to get a hold of the principal, Robert Gilbert as well,
so hopefully we can have a check to him before
two o'clock. It is twenty eight to two.

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back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Thank you very much, wend you're having a good discussion
about school uniforms Papa Nui High in christ Juts. It's
getting some pushback from the community, parents and students about
changing the uniform rules. Currently a year thirteen can wear
mufty not from next year though, they're going to bring
back uniforms for all, including year thirteen. What do you say, oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
This Texas says, what would you do if they demanded
that news talk zb radio host that to wear suits
to work. It's the similar thing. I'd like it. I'd
like to wear a full suit to work. I guess
I could.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Your standards have gone up consider really since you've started. Actually,
you've got a beautiful way ensemble going on now.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah. Well, I just saw a social media post from
Mike co host from my last radio show on Music
Radio Radiode and he's nude in it, is he?

Speaker 18 (24:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Jesus, So I've got better standards than that up at
news talk zby.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
If you want to send the text nine two ninety
two plenty coming through, but let's go to I think
it's great, great boys, How are you today? Very goods?
WA's your thoughts?

Speaker 19 (24:32):
I've just prompted me.

Speaker 7 (24:33):
In the corners.

Speaker 19 (24:33):
I've just driven past the worst high school in the
city that I live in, and it's the only school
that has musty right the way through. And whenever you
talk to anybody about how you'd fixed the problem at
that school, everybody says, put a uniform on them. And
I think for me, when I was growing up, we
had a uniform. Everybody had the same uniform, didn't matter

(24:55):
whether you're in those those third form or the seventh form.
But moving forward a generation to my son, the school
that he went to, they took a huge amount of
pride in their uniform and the only difference that they
were allowed to have in the year to ravel thirteen
or whatever, it was different. They were different in Australi
than what they hear was they allowed to have a

(25:17):
blazer and they wore it with pride. And you know,
I just think that I can't see what the big
fuss is about. That guy made a very good point
about knowing who the kids are, not just anybody. But again,
perhaps the principals having problems with some of the year
thirteen kids and this is another way to help sort
it out.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
So when you said before Graham that Greg sorry that
you think that, well, you know, people say that the
best way to sort out problems at the school that's
mufty all the time is the uniform. How do you
think that sorts out problems being in uniform from year nine?

Speaker 19 (25:51):
Well, they're not necessarily constant training on the fashion or
the lipstick or the high heeled boots or whatever. They're
concentrating on perhaps doing a bit more school work because
they don't have to have a you know, and they
don't have to have a fashion parade every day. And
perhaps that there's a lot of I don't know, perhaps

(26:14):
there's some bullying going on with people that might necessarily
not afford to wear three hundred dollar piece of jeans
or three hundred dollar shoes or you know. And then
I just think that the school has always had problems,
and I just think that's the way they.

Speaker 7 (26:30):
Can help fix it.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
I mean, it is hard to argue, and we are
trying to get the principle on, but he did make
the comments that it is hard to to tell the
difference between a year a thirteen student and others coming
onto the school grounds who are not part of the school,
even trainee teachers, which is a fair point. And arguably,
having the year thirteens wear uniforms, they should be the
leaders of the school, trying to set the standards for

(26:54):
the younger kids at the school. So I think it's
probably more important that you wear a uniform later in
your school life rather than get a bit loosey goosey
towards the end.

Speaker 19 (27:05):
I'd agree with that, because the school my son went
to in the final year, they were they were he
was anyway because of what he did, but they were
meant calls to the younger kids he was. Actually he
stayed in one of the boarding houses there, and he
was whatever they call them, you know, he was looking
after the boarding house is a year twoteen or year forty,

(27:26):
whatever they are. I don't know what they were in
Australia moment. That's what they were there.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, I remember the borders at Nelson College. It was
one of the punishments that if they'd done something wrong,
they were forced to wear the uniform and the weekend,
so everybody knew, Ah, what did you do?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
What did you do? Never trust someone in a suit.
Never trust a man who wears a suit in the weekend, yeah, exactly.
Never trust a kid that's in the uniform of the weekend.
They've probably done something wrong. When I've driven past. There's
a quite a famous Mufty school in Auckland that I
sometimes drive past. In it people, I don't know if
you ever want anyone who's as things familiar with than

(28:00):
the Warriors. It's a nineteen seventy nine film directed by
Walter Hill and it's got all these gangs and different
with complete All the gangs in this movie where the
same thing. Yeah, And it's a particular school that I
drove fast and it's like that all the kids going
through you've got the goths coming in, you've got the
emos coming in. You've got the punks going in, you've
got the green hair kids going in. You've got that,

(28:21):
You've got it.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
It's a good show each morning to drive fast. I
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
of cool love to hear your thoughts about the uniform.
It is nineteen to two.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Wouldn't the News talks he'd be uniform be strategically ripped
designer jeans with Marino cardigan and Christian de Button shoes,
says Henry.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, that's fair point.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, absolutely, with.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
That a fresh take on talk Back, It's Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty US
Talks b Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
It is sixteen to two. We're talking about school uniforms.
Papa Nui high for decades of let the year thirteen's
have mufty, but from next year that looks set to change.
Is that a good idea of your thoughts? I eighte
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
This Texas is who the hell is Christian de Button Well,
Christian de Bouton. I'm not probably I'm probably saying this
name Mark. You know, I'm not wearing a lot of Christian.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
But but if you watch, if you watch Mike's minute,
and hopefully the camera pans down, you'll be able to
see what Christian de button is.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Le bouton Christian l O UBO U T I N.
If you wanted to get out there and buy some
very very expensive shoes snazzy, look good, yeah, beautiful. Actually,
if they handed those out at news talks EB, I'll
take a couple of pairs the Griggy Rocks shoes. Absolutely, yeah,
it's a good lock. You know they're pricey when they
don't put the price on the website. So one of

(29:43):
those one of those things.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
If you have to ask and can't afford it.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Quiet there they go. Oh those are a beautiful pair
of shoes. Oh my god, I'd wear those.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
What do they want?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
It's a mere two thousand and twenty five dollars for
a pair of these lovely shiny Christian.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Oh great, I'll take three plenty of ticks coming through
a nine two nine two. But let's go to John
get a John.

Speaker 15 (30:07):
Oh boy, how are you this afternoon? So that they
done in christ Church Oh.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
It's a lovely day up here as well.

Speaker 15 (30:15):
Right now. I think this whole discussion is really about authority.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yep.

Speaker 15 (30:24):
I think that a generation we have today going to
secondary schooling has lost the ability to respect authority. And
a rule is a rule, and if you don't like it,

(30:46):
you need to kick up the button.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
You're a hard man, John, So.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Would you support students so having a say so as
long as they wear the uniform because at this point
no one's been forced to do it. Yet it comes
in next year and so these year thirteens now are
just voicing their concern about the change. But well, you
know that's kind of life.

Speaker 15 (31:11):
Well, yeah, exactly, that is my point life. When you
leave school and you get.

Speaker 7 (31:19):
A job, you have a boss nine times out.

Speaker 15 (31:22):
Of ten and you have to follow the rules. Yeah,
that's basically my whole argument with this discussion. Okay, John, Exactly,
I've had three sons through a school here in christ Church.

(31:48):
There were aspects of the uniform they hated, but they
had to wear it and they went up on their
bikes every morning with half their shirt hanging out. I
gather they tucked it in when they entered the college
gates but you know it's it's one of life's lessons.

(32:13):
You have to learn to be told what to do.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, John, I
appreciate that. And that's an opinion that a lot of
people agree with. I would say, however, no one has
pushed back against. No one's tried to push it because
it hasn't come in yet, this rule. You know, no
one's tried to test the boundaries. When I was at
my high school, we found out that one of the
teachers that was at the gate was colorblind. So then
what we would do is you'd see what kind of

(32:40):
ridiculous colored jumper that looked exactly like the jumper you
were supposed to be wearing, you could get through the gate.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, those are the good times in high school.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Was and I think it was mister Letts. I think
mister Littz. I found out it was colorblind so you
could get through.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
So what colors worked?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Wow, the color was maroon for the actual shit the
actual shirt were supposed to be wearing was maroon. But
I think I got a I think I got sort
of a pinky shit jumper through that I borrowed off
one of my sisters so it was always it was
pretty funny, like he'd look you up down and just
let you go through.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Oh mate, that's so good. Mark, how are you this afternight?

Speaker 20 (33:15):
Well, thank you, gentlemen. I just want to start off
by saying, you guys are a breath of fresh air
on a network that sometimes can be a little hard
to listen to. You guys bring those real stories and
Matte just trying to call out a colorblind teacher is
exactly what I'm talking about, a bit of reality to it.
I'm a little disappointed in myself because I actually thought
of I would not agree at all for someone like

(33:37):
John a. Auklans has a much better that than christ Church.
I want to start with that the weather is beautiful,
but no, I feel like she's absolutely struggle where I'm
met with this whole uniform thing as well, and it
annoys me because I try and be a listener that
doesn't necessarily need to partake in the conversation. I just
like to observe everyone else's opinions. But I just felt
like what John was saying is exactly on point with
where I'm met with my kids at school, and I

(33:59):
think I think it's a subconscious lesson that you learn
in school was a noise about the a's and b's,
you know, or the one plus ones. There's actually subconscious
less as you learn in the background that you don't
actually know you're learning, and uniform is a big one
of them. It's like, sometimes appropriate dress at certain areas
in life that you're going to have to go into
is summed up by a school uniform. Sorry, you're going

(34:20):
to have to dress up to this occasion. Sorry, you
know you can't be in this workplace dressed like that.
A simple example would be going to the club. Right
back in the day when clubs were actually bumping and
people did go there. You have a certain dress, you'd
have to wear, a certain dress code that you have
to go up to.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
So I can't I can't account the number of times
when I was told I was too casual to get
into clubs when I was trying to go out.

Speaker 20 (34:43):
So I figure, like, this is just one of those
subconscious lessons that we learn in school that help us
out in life later on. In the thing, and I mean,
I'm indifferent to it. Have a uniform, don't have a uniform.
I'm past school. I don't have to care about it anymore.
I've got kids if they were told that the school
they're going to is no longer in uniform, and that's
something else I'd go with. But it's it's not that
importance to me. It's not that biggest thing. But I
do think the importance is pointing out those subconscious lessons

(35:05):
we learned during our high school years that do prep
us for the Thanks.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
So much, nicely said, what a great call, and what
a great voice, almost a broadcaster's voice.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Almost, Yeah, great delivery. The way he made his point
articulated argument.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Get that guy on radio. Yeah, there were some skills there,
absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
It is nine to two, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
News talk news talks here be it is seven to two.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
That's that guy. What his nickname was at school? I
bet it was horse?

Speaker 18 (35:43):
There was.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Why is it that there always seems to be a
horse and every sports team and.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Every horse horse. It's always one horse.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
As as good a friend that gets called horse. After
the showers, Joe welcome to the show. Oh yeah, are
you not.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
I'll be waiting a little while. Made it pretty short.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
But nice, welcome to the show. Thank you for waiting.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
IK no problem. But I think that the uniforms right
from studying school right through the ending school is all
about discipline and respect, and especially for the kids that
are not going to school, that are sort of making
happy going to school and they're not. If they leave
home in a uniform, everybody knows what school there should

(36:35):
be at and that's discipline, and it's so teaching. It's
probably more important to teach than that than what they're
doing at school. So I think it's the system is
a drift because of the left of respect in the lecordistliine.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
That's all say, of course, Steve, and thank you so
much for waiting this text that disagrees totally against school uniforms.
There is not one school with an acceptable nice design.
If kids need to wear uniforms, teachers need to wear
them too. To set the example controversial, there used to
be a kind of a uniform for teachers. If you're
looking for a great book to read, there's a book

(37:12):
called The Accidental Teacher, written by my uncle Tim Heath
and it's his story as a teacher, and it's a
fantastic read. He's had such an interesting life as a teacher.
But he talks about when he was he was hired
to teach in the a wearras. I believe it was
small farm where he was getting paid half a sheep
a week, cutting half and dumped at his door as

(37:34):
part of his wages teaching at the small school. But anyway,
he turned up in the Auckland teachers uniform, which was
those walk shorts with the socks pulled up and the
short sleeved shirt with the tie.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Such a good lock, such a good locks.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Pulled right up to your knees. I think he used
to get taught that at teachers college. Go back to that.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
It was serious business if you had a teacher turned
up and that you knew it was on. Yeah, this
guy knows what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I wonder if there's any teachers left in New Zealand
that are still running that lock with the leather shoes,
the Oxford's and the socks pulled up and the walk
shorts and the shorts, the short sleeve shirt into the
pants with a tie.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, now that's a bloody good look send us through
the photos. Nine nine two, Mark A. C. Peter, We've
got about forty seconds, my friends. Are you into our
uniforms or no yet?

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Uniform right the way through my education? My daughter's currently uniform.
The other thing that I find interesting is when I
went to high school, every teacher knew who I was.
We were a school of one thousand students. So where
these people are saying that they don't know who's on
the campus that it's amazing to me, like I couldn't

(38:43):
do anything throughout the schooling time without Peter to go yeah,
oh yeah exactly. And I think times and changed, and
when it came to musty day, you dan not wear
anything were brand because of Barbadour and rugby and all
that at lunch some.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Exactly, Peter.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Sorry to cut you off, but we've got to go
to the.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Break discussion coming up after two o'clock. Are you a pirate?

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Talking with you all afternoon? It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
It'd be afternoon, Welcome back into the show. Six past two.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
We're putting the uniform chat to bed. But I was
talking before about the old teacher's uniform, which was the
walk shorts with the socks pulled up, the Oxford shoes
I believe you'd call them Oxford shoes, and the short
sleeve I'm thinking pale yellow shirt with a with a
tie nailed it woodblock. But someone else says, you have

(39:45):
forgotten the Roman sandals in the summer, So the teacher
used to wear the Roman sandals in the summer. But
the teacher would have socks pulled up with the Roman
sandals in summer. That's right, and I believe that was
taught at I could be wrong Teachers College. I've got
to read my uncle's book, The Accidental Teacher again. It's
a fantastic book out on Allan and none one. If
you want to read it. You know, it's the life
of a teacher that lived a really really interesting life

(40:07):
where it body taught and some more. He was one
of those teachers that used to go off and find
people happy he's living in the bush to teach their
kids and make sure that they were doing stuff. It's
a fantastic bock. But yeah, he wore that uniform The
Accidental Teacher. Yeah, it's a great book, but but yeah,
that's right. And there, and there'd be a mustache in
that max as well. Yeah, powerful, absolutely is it time

(40:30):
to bring back that kind of that kind of look
for teachers.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I never missed around with those teachers. I will say
that that you miss around with a few teachers. But
any teacher that dressed like that, you knew it was
business time and you can't step out of line because
he knows what he's doing, or she for that matter.
I don't know if it was much of the female attire.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I think I think one of the last teachers that
I ever experienced, he was probably one of the last
teachers still wearing that uniform. He was an old school
when I was at school, I think his name was
mister Henderson, and he walked past me once and I said, handy, handy,
with you lay your eggs and and he whacked me. Yeah,
he gave me a massive clip around the ear.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
I bet he did. Yeah, it would have been thinking
bring back the cane at that point. Yeah, old school
love it right. We'll put that one to bed.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Because it's a week joke from a seven year old. Handy, handy,
with you lay your eggs? I mean, I need better material.
I deserved a clip for that you certainly did, right.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Let's have a chat about piracy. So back in the
early two thousands, we'll remember this. Torrenting was the norm.
Need the new Coldplay album on your iPod, The pirate
bay was there, the Romeo and Juliet movie, You'd go
to the pirate bay. Whatever you needed was accessible with
just a couple of cleques. But when the likes of
Netflix came around and now Disney Plus and Amazon, originally

(41:39):
everybody thought we're done with pirating. You can now have
so many movies and content for ten bucks a month
and everyone will be happy. That's a fair price.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
It became too much of a pain in the ass
to pirate for people. They couldn't be bothered with dirty
torrent sites with their I don't know, I've never been
to one, but with their dirty ads on there and
naps to fell throw, and it was just that's the
way people are getting it.

Speaker 21 (42:01):
Now.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
They got the subscription and they seem to have solved
the pirating problem.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yes, you'd think so, but now, as we know, Flicks
in particular.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
But solve it. But they dampened it down.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, they made it easier.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Every day, people weren't pirating anymore.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
But that is starting to change, particularly in Europe, so
we know how much Netflix are raising their prices, the
same as happening with Disney Prime across the board HBO.
So now in Europe and in Sweden in particular, twenty
five percent of people reported pirating in twenty twenty four.
A quarter of the nation of Sweden said that they

(42:36):
would steal content.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
So just looking at this, well a quarter of the
nation of Sweden, dirty Swiss. Is that where the pirate
bay came from? I think it was piratebay dot org.
So how much is it to subscribe to Netflix now?
So I subscribe to a family family Netflix for across it.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
I think it's gone up to about thirty bucks a
month now is this? I'm sure it has. Where's my
last little email from Netflix? If I just search into
my because it made me irate at the time. Here
we go, price up date coming. This was sent on
the fourteenth of April. Thank you for being a valued
member since twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh that's nice of them to say.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
It's a good start, isn't it. I hope you are
enjoying everything Netflix has to offer. Yeah, I was, thank
you very much. We're updating your monthly price by the
way to twenty five dollars ninety nine on the fourteenth
of May twenty twenty five. You'll always find something that's
right for you and right for the moment. Thanks for
supporting Netflix.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
So hammin and all that, Ai Garble, I missed what
the price.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Was, twenty five ninety nine per month.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
And there's that for a family membership.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
No, that's an individual one.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
So just the basic boy oh boy.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, I think we're middle of the range. Do you
get the basic which is what ten EIGHTYP or whatever
they call. It's a pretty low grade. We're kind of
in the middle. The high definition. But that's just for
one user.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Right, Yeah, So there's big money Sweden, isn't the Swiss?
Is that they're the Swedes?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Who cares it's in Europe. I mean, they're good looking people,
that's all I know. No, I knew when I said skin,
I knew when.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I said that out loud. I've made mistakes and always
keeps me honest.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
They always get you, always get you, the Swedes, the Swedes.
But I mean it raises the question. I know a
few people that would use illegal streaming sites for movies
because it's very easy to do.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
So I understand you know a few people that would
use the illegal I'm doing in verted commas here. You
are a friend of yours.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Tyler, A friend of a friend as a pirate, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
So very very common.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Have you ever honestly called Because there's a lot of
content now that gets made overseas and it's part of
these distribution deals, but we don't get them at the
same time as everybody else. Sometimes we never get them.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Well, listen to this, Tyler. Listen to this, Tyler, you
are carbs. Listen to this. Oh that takes me back.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
You wouldn't steal a.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Car, you wouldn't steal a handbag, So why would you
pirate a movie? That's I still stand by that.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Oh that is Yeah, that takes me back. I mean,
as you're mentioning a little bit earlier, the irony with
that WEE video clapp is you only got it on
the DVDC each you purchased with money. If you pirateed stuff,
you never got that message.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
So the question on eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
as follows, Are you happy with the amount you're paying
for streamings? Do you think you're getting a value for money.
And if not, and you want to watch the stuff,
are you out there pirating?

Speaker 13 (45:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Are you a pirate? Is there anything wrong with being
a pirate?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
With a with a cone of anim anonymity here? Yeah?
But if you're pirating, we want to hear from you.
Hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
It is thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Your home of Afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty us Talk said.

Speaker 10 (46:04):
Be.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Very good, afternoon cheer. We're talking about pirate. It's on
the rise over in Europe where they've had enough of
paying for Netflix and Disney and they are now going
to illegal stream So is that the case with you?
By one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I just want to quickly mention an area of moral
ambiguity if you don't believe in pirating a movie. But
what happens if no streaming service in New Zealand or
there's just nowhere it's available in New Zealand and the
only way you can watch it is illegally. What do
you think about that?

Speaker 6 (46:37):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (46:37):
What?

Speaker 3 (46:38):
I suppose it depend on the TV show.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Well, say you wanted to watch I don't know this.
There's been there's some that just don't come out yet.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
I'll tell you watch one. I would tell you what.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Recently I wanted to watch twenty eight days, No, twenty
eight hours later. Yep, fantastic movie The Lost of It
looks amazing. That is not available on any I think
it isn't. This is something I always tell people. Just
watch dot com as a fantastic site to find out
what streaming services have movies on them.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
I'll tell you the one that I would pirate generally
if I think it will come here. But if it
did it the second season of Fallout that if it
didn't make it to New Zealand, that would be something
I'd go and pirate. I'd have no qualms about that.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
So on on, in front of hundreds of thousands of people,
you've just admitted you're a criminal. Yeah, you're planning to
because because you because you seem to know a lot
about pirating. You just said, I'll just do it, so
you know how to do it. Hey, I was going
to call, but I'm not sure. If you're a cop,
you have to legally let us know. If you're a cop.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
That's very fair. I did just say that I would
happily pirates, so that would give you your answer.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Jeff, welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (47:39):
Hey, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Do you want to use a pseudonym for this?

Speaker 22 (47:42):
No, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Okay, it's too late now anyway.

Speaker 10 (47:46):
And see, you're exactly right. What if it doesn't come
out in New Zealand? What are you going to do?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 15 (47:54):
I am.

Speaker 10 (47:55):
I recently downloaded Space nineteen ninety nine, the TV show
from the sixties.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Oh my god. So that was super Marionation, wasn't it.
That was from the people that may Thunderbirds.

Speaker 10 (48:06):
Yeah, Gerry Anderson live action, Yeah, action with Martin Lander.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
See I watched some of us on on YouTube the
other day, very sixy outfits. You've got to say, Jeff, Oh.

Speaker 10 (48:19):
Yeah, awesome. And I've even learned about their command structures
based on the color of their left sleeve and all
that it red, brown, yellow. It's hilarious. Yeah. I've got
about two thousand Blu Ray at home. Yeah, because that
gives me control over when and how I want to
watch something.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (48:38):
Okay, I've paid for my Blue Ray, so I've paid
for what was available and we only have JB High
Fight here. That's seldom in retail because the cost of
classification is just super high dollars plus for a little sticker.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I've heard this argument online and can you get your
view on it, Jeff, that a lot of the people
who use the pirate sites on a regular basis say,
if we don't own the content, then there's nothing wrong
with piroty. And what they mean by that is the
flex you've got to regularly subscribe on a monthly basis
and keep paying for it, whereas back in the day
that you're talking about with the Blu Ray, you pay

(49:15):
a one off cost and you've got it for life.
So there's a bit of pushback about the old subscription methodology.

Speaker 10 (49:22):
Exactly like you pay well three hundred and sixty odd
dollars for Netflix a year. I pay forty dollars for
a TV movie. I'm watched this about one hundred times
before I get the thick of it.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
You got some funky music playing in the background. I'm
going to say, Jeff, what are you going going on around?
Oh you're at the warehouse. Oh they've got a good
sound trick.

Speaker 10 (49:43):
Yeah, on camera, millionto Crimes and all that.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Hey, did you see you're a huge fan of movies, Jeff.
Obviously with all your Blu Rays. Did you see the
New York Times Top one hundred best movies of the
twenty first century that came out?

Speaker 10 (49:58):
No, I haven't seen that. You heard about it? Yeah,
my father's number one. Yes, No, Parasite is number one,
the Korean movie.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (50:08):
See that's something else that you don't always get as
foreign films on Netflix or business.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah. Yeah, Okay, you're so, you're a huge fan of movies,
and you're willing to pay top dollar for your Blu rays.
But if they can't get it for you, you're going
to go to the dark Arts of Tyrantine to get it.

Speaker 15 (50:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (50:27):
If I can't get it from New Zealand, Australia or
even America, I'll download it all right, trade me their gold.

Speaker 14 (50:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Well, here's your top ten according to the New York
Times Best movies of the twenty fifth century, Jeff, Parasite.
Tell me if you've got any of these on Blu Ray.
Parasite at number one, Mulholland Drive at two. There will
be Blood, great movie for in the Mood for Love, Moonlight,
No Country for Old Men, Great movie, Eternal Sunshine, of
the spotless mind. Great movie get out, great movie Spirit

(50:58):
It Away.

Speaker 10 (50:59):
Yes, I love that movie Spirit It Away, the animated Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
That's a great movie. And the social network at ten.

Speaker 10 (51:06):
Yeah, got that there.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
You're a good man.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
But if any of them.

Speaker 10 (51:10):
Were there, I'm doing all right.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yeah you JF. Will just hand your details over to
the police.

Speaker 20 (51:16):
No.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Two thousand, blu Ray, that is a good going. Oh
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
of call.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Hey, I'm wrong about twenty eight days Later. Twenty eight
days Later wasn't available for a while, but now it's
available on Disney.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Good streaming, so you don't need to piraate any great movie.
It is twenty one past two.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk zb A you.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
A dirty old pirate. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
My partner Tracy's listening and she said, shall we watch
twenty eight days Later tonight on Disney and outstreaming there.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
I say, yes, yes, yeah, you've got Disney.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yes. Before I said let's that, I couldn't find it,
but it is available yeah, but if it wasn't if
it wasn't available in New Zealand, as it wasn't a
wee while ago. I think often the stream is when
a new movie in a franchise comes out, they'll throw
the other ones up here. I'm very excited about the
remake of Naked Gun or the new version of Naked
Gun that's coming out. So yes, when you're on Netflix,

(52:16):
they're throwing up all kinds of Naked Gun movies, all
three of them.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
They are Naked.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Gun, Naked Gun thirty three and the third their Final Insult,
and Naked Gun two and a half The Smell of
Fear are all up there at the moment.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
When does that come into New Zealand? You're going to
the first screening?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Is that right? Yeah? So I think it's out in
New Zealand on the twenty. Yeah, when is it. I'm
very excited about that movie. Yeah, oh one hundred find
out when it's out in New Zealand. Eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. We've got a lot of
people on the line. If you can't get through, keep trying.
A couple of good texts as well. Guys in the
late nineties, while living in Moscow, there used to be
a CD market set up in one of the central

(52:50):
city parks where you could buy pirated CDs, movies and
PlayStation games. Price was cheap and quality was even worse.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Some movies were so bad it was literally where a
guy had smuggled a video camera into a theater and
filmed the screen so you could see people moving about
and eating. As I said, they were cheap bit crap
from John The Naked.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Gun twenty twenty five is out in cinemas and New
Zealand on the twenty first of August, starring Liam Neeson
and Pamela Anderson. Niki, welcome to the show.

Speaker 23 (53:18):
Are you boy?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Very good?

Speaker 1 (53:20):
How are you?

Speaker 23 (53:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (53:22):
Bloody gird mate, I just saw it.

Speaker 23 (53:24):
I'll let you know if you guys heard about the
old Amazon five sticks, mate, I.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Think someone's runging before them about them before? Yeah? How
do they work?

Speaker 15 (53:35):
How do they work?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Nicky?

Speaker 15 (53:38):
Well?

Speaker 23 (53:38):
Mate, I tell you a friend of a friend, though
accomplice of mine.

Speaker 21 (53:42):
He was showing me through it the other day. Any
streaming site you want from Netflix, doesn't he anything anywhere
in the world you can access it and litt alone
that you get any sports TV all across the world, mate,
all on one five sticks the credible far out.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
So is it quite Do you have to have a
bit of technical now to have a week jail broken
five stick?

Speaker 23 (54:07):
I think guy that breaks it as quite typically now sah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Right, I think I again like you, Nikki, I've got
a friend of a friend who I think operates one
of these, and he sees you can even tap into
CCTV cameras if you want to go have a look
at what's happening in San Diego Zoo. That's all part
of it. It's kind of everything under the sun, isn't it?

Speaker 23 (54:30):
Also sculling down the other day and there there's even
a cooking show on there of some sorts that started
with XIX and I was specializing in cream pie.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Wow, sounds very interesting. Yeah, I think I'm sure Tyler
will be looking into that. Nikki. Yeah, thank you very much.
Thanks for your cal this text of Pulses. Tell her
you can't watch it tonight because of the Warriors game.
You see, I'm going out to the Warriors pool, so
I'll be having to watch twenty eight days later.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
You can save that for Saturday.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
No, I'm going to watch it when I get home mates, Okay,
it's not a school day. Wel from the show. Mark
you're you're a big fan of the VHS days.

Speaker 24 (55:07):
I always it was so easy. There was only two
systems in TSC and power and the systems. By the
early nineties all machines played either, and it was it
was you could get taps from all across the world.
The Japanese send out you've seen out their wrestling tapes
to America. Americans sing there is for Japan. It was

(55:28):
a simple two way system where by it was just
whatever you recorded or whatever was released in your environment,
you could share it very easily. And when we went
to DVD and we got the six regions, the one, two, three, four, five,
and zero, and then we went to Blu ray and
we got a B and C and all regional licensing

(55:51):
deals and that's sort of how we get locked in
and the regional licensing deals. In terms of distribution, for example,
you always see that on TV show distributed by you
know particularly they owned the market, they have exclusive rights
to the market and whatever geography and held us back
for a long, long long time year. There's so many

(56:12):
things from the eighties, like b movies from the eighties,
which where you biquitous in video stores. You cannot find
them anywhere.

Speaker 13 (56:19):
Like Empire Vash one, two and three, and like the
Bronx Zoo and Exterminator three thousand. You'd read those throw
them in a fodder. Yeah, it was at the two
o'clock in the morning when everyone's it works for Chuck
on the movie and those those days are gone.

Speaker 24 (56:40):
Look I'm I put my hand up and go. I
sit there on Saturday afternoon before the Rugby starts, knowing
full well that I'm going to be watching Bill Maher's
Real Time about two minutes after it finishes on this
TI guy who uploads it every weekend without fail, and
it takes twenty four hours to get deleted off YouTube.

(57:01):
It was like, how that's how I saw I was
the Osborne's gig. I wasn't going to pay fifty bucks
to sit there beteen hours, so I knew it had
come up and sooner or later, UMG, you're going to
take it down. And that's exactly what they did. But
for twenty four hours you could watch it all and
perfect quality. They need to get their heads around this because,
for example, BBC, we can't see Glastonbury but it's all

(57:25):
over the UK. It's amazing what they get to experience.
I'd pay for that, but they can't even allow it
up there because of the licensing deals and everything around there.
It's actually silly they restrict their income level. I'll see
this for years.

Speaker 25 (57:40):
You can watch in chargement.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
You can watch times Bill Mayer on Neon. That's up
on Neon pretty quickly, up.

Speaker 24 (57:48):
On Sunday nights on Sky on HBO about ten o'clock,
you know, but it's forty eight hours late, thirty six
hours later.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
That's that's on me. It's too late for you. You
need it, you need it immediately.

Speaker 7 (58:00):
I need it.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Oh, oh, we lost them. He's been cut off.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
He's taking bard.

Speaker 24 (58:08):
No, it's it's great to get access to it when
you want to get access to it, but I don't
like being restricted.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Yeah, it's kind of like that. It's I was just
going to say.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
It was kind of like the Game Game of Throne
situation where I think Sky got it because it was
an HBO, but Sky were two days behind the US,
so so big people were by the end.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
By the end of it though they were they were going.
They realized that and it was and they were getting
it out at the same time they did.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
It was a couple of hours time to see.

Speaker 24 (58:35):
Yeah, that was meeting the market and going how we're
actually losing share, let's be less, be quick about it.
And that same day screening, which is a great way
to go about it. Go same day screening. It'll be
on in your evening.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, come home, put.

Speaker 24 (58:51):
Your feed up and watch Game of Thrones and everyone
gets killed.

Speaker 13 (58:54):
And watch it.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Hey, so Mark, you know you're talking about the VHS days.
And one of the great things about that was recording
a moving off movie off television that you would then
watch four one hundred times. And one of the great
things is I remember I recall to Repoman off the
television and it was the censored version, so everyone was
called a melon farmer and all these different ways of

(59:18):
covering up the swearing. So I had no idea that
that wasn't I watched that movie so many times and
I was like, Wow, they've got a really weird way
of swearing. And then I actually saw the version. I
was like, oh, I was watching the censored version of
my whole life.

Speaker 9 (59:32):
So good.

Speaker 24 (59:33):
Some Steven Sigar movies that were ever and when you
see that when you see the uncensored version, you're.

Speaker 22 (59:38):
Like, what they censor it for in the first place?

Speaker 7 (59:44):
I just did that.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Good.

Speaker 24 (59:45):
Hey, guys, I've been really enjoying your show for six
a month, however long you've been on since you came
back from holding everything.

Speaker 9 (59:51):
I think you're both working your way into this really well.

Speaker 24 (59:54):
I enjoy your content.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Oh bless you, Mark, Thanks for saying that. I appreciate that.
What a good man.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you're pirate on a regular basis, Why
we'd love to hear from you. A lot of people
do it. How easy is it? Really? Never check with
your nine two nine Two's the text number as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
You disgusting idiots for letting people know how to pirate. Yeah,
there we go, There you go. That's Tyler that's been doing. Man,
if you're a police officer, that's texting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Headline's coming up.

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more at ends at Herald Premium. Now back to Matt
and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Thank you very much, Wendy. We're talking about piracy, stealing
content off the internet. If that you loved to hear
from you O. E. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
In New Zealand, the penalties for online piracy can range
from fines to imprisonment tyler depending on the nature of
the scale of the infringement. Copyright owners can issue three
strikes to those infringing copyright, with the potential for a
fine of up to fifteen thousand dollars if the issue
is brought before the Copyright Tribunal. For criminal offenses related
to copyright infringement for commercial gain, penalties can include imprisonment

(01:02:06):
tyler cheap for up to five years, or fines of
up to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And we've
got Chris on the line, who used to investigate piracy
for the Motion Picture Association. Welcome to the show, Chris, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:02:20):
Yeah, So I'm a forensic computing expert and I have
a Paris license by the way, going back about ten years.
Most Picture Association of America. So that's the big copyright
thing you send that you usually see at the end
of any movies. And they had an office in New Zealand,
and they would go out and they would investigate and
then prosecute or search rights or whatever the challenge is

(01:02:44):
is that back in those days, be full of the
app that you just read out was put into law.
They were really only interested in distributors. So it's those
that had thousands and thousands of movies that you and
I would log on to do downloads. We're not committing
the offense. The person who has made it available to
others is the pirator, okay, right, yeah, And another way

(01:03:09):
to equate that is, you know, when you just got
to tie end, like that guy spoke about Moscow and
you go and pick up and you might pick up
twenty individual movies, Customs was not interested in you because
that's for personal use. But if you bought five Superman
movies and five terminated movies, that's vying with the purpose
for distribution, and that's the offense. And that's that last

(01:03:32):
sentence you just read out around the all around the
law for financial game. So the big copyright holders were
only really interested in those who were distributing the material,
i e. Those that hold it online for you and I,
not me, not you, but who would then download it
and then use it for their personal use. If I

(01:03:53):
then onsold that, they would be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Interested in me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Yeah, right, And that's exactly the same with.

Speaker 9 (01:04:00):
Sony Games playing around with their code, etc. Is that
much going around the world but chasing the distributors apart
from businesses in New Zealand. So I have been engaged
to go into a business where they found movies online
and they're trying to get rid of somebody. I'll look
at their computer and I might say, hey, there's twenty

(01:04:20):
downloaded movies on here, right, We've got them for piracy.
We're going to use that to get rid of them.
Do you know who some of the worst hoarders of
Pirate of the Movies are in the New Zealand business community.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
No, the it guyst Besk.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Yes, of course.

Speaker 9 (01:04:35):
I've done a couple where they've actually had a servered
drive and that's where they park all the movies that
they find other people downloading.

Speaker 7 (01:04:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Classic. So when your Times is investigating this sort of piracy,
did you were you involved in anything that ended up
in these major prosecutions.

Speaker 12 (01:04:54):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:04:54):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 9 (01:04:55):
We would probably do one every four months, and I'm
talking thousands, and without being racist or picking out a gender,
it usually was male Asians who were controlling the location
that we went to, and they would have five or
six computers with a couple of storage devices, and there
would be thousands of movies and they would be online,

(01:05:17):
not really in a dark web. They would just have
a web address like some have spoken about today where
people would log on, pay a fee and then download
whatever they like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Was the war lost thousands of them? Was the war
lost Chris when tarantine came in because correct, people can
just get a VPN and download it from some site
in Switzerland or whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:05:38):
So that's when, for example, Motion Picture Association in New Zealand,
they'd closed their office and they went up to Singapore,
so their office was in Singapore to cover our whole
region because it was a more online fight rather than
going to a location.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah right, yeah and interesting, and they didn't know.

Speaker 9 (01:05:54):
Where those locations were, so they would deploy teams around
the world where they found a physical location so they
could a shut it down and be do a prosecution.
Because it was just online. You don't know who owns it,
just like today you know, people swapping porn all that
sort of stuff. You have no idea where they are.

Speaker 24 (01:06:11):
Yeah, we know.

Speaker 9 (01:06:13):
You two have got a server out the back that
you put a web address on the dark web and
somebody's just jumping in and downloading stuff and get let's
take it on the way through.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Maybe Matt, not me, not me, maybe Tyler.

Speaker 23 (01:06:26):
Chris So.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
And then I understand because this thing was moving. I
mean remember Metallica coming out against Napster. I believe it was.
And then that seems so ridiculous. Now we had the
burn and Get Burned. It seemed like they didn't know
how bad it was going to get, how much it
was going to go with the burn and Get Burned campaign,
and then you wouldn't steal a you wouldn't steal a
handbag campaign, et cetera. But then it seemed like the
tarrantine came in and it was just all on. But

(01:06:49):
then the Netflix came along with the subscription model, and
now we've got Disney and The New Zealand, We've got
Neon and we've got Amazon. It felt like at that
point people just thought, well, I don't want to be
involved in this dirty world of you know, piracy. If
these enough movie is going to be available in the
script is enough, then I'm just going to do that.

(01:07:11):
Did that happen? Did people? Did that piracy drop off?
At that point? When the when the streamers became bigger.

Speaker 9 (01:07:17):
It's all about supply and demand. So you're absolutely correct.

Speaker 20 (01:07:21):
The supply was over for a very small.

Speaker 9 (01:07:23):
Fee, and I didn't have to spend an hour and
a half trying to work out where it was. I
could just go online. But don't get me wrong. There
are people regularly today who go on site. And I
know my children aren't listening, but I know two of them.

Speaker 20 (01:07:37):
They are regular users.

Speaker 9 (01:07:39):
But don't ask them. We are don't know, but I
know they a movie comes out in the States within two.

Speaker 20 (01:07:44):
Days, I've got it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Do they not know who their father is? I know
they do.

Speaker 9 (01:07:49):
They just think I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
You're out of the game now, Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Suddenly Dad's has knocked them out. They're getting one hundred
and fifty thousand dollar fine and they're going to Brison.

Speaker 15 (01:07:59):
You're looking.

Speaker 9 (01:07:59):
You're never look at your kids' computers or your wife's phone.
All right, don't do it, but it might worth it good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Yeah, just roying back about ten years ago or so, Chris.
I remember, and this was I think that the music
industry rather than the movie industry. But you'd remember that
there was the three strike situation and they'd send out
letters and I remember because I was living with an
Irish guy was a flatmate, and we got a letter
because he had been downloading Katy Perry songs of all songs.

(01:08:27):
But after that letter and he got really worried, but
he kept torranting Katy Perry because he was a weirder.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
I'll be embarrassed about that going public.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
We almost kicked him out of the flat just for
the Katy Perry thing, not for the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Finds, but being in the newspapers about downloading Katy Perry.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
But then he never got a letter again, so that
kind of dropped off, didn't It was that almost just
like a bit of a scare tactic that didn't quite work,
you creep.

Speaker 9 (01:08:49):
They just had people doing electronic searches across the download sites,
find an IP address, see if they can work out
of that person with a physical address, and then slip
them and then let's just see what happens. The challenge
there is that, of course, for them to do that,
you're probably in New Zealand courts particularly, you're probably talking
about twenty to thirty grand to be able to take

(01:09:11):
it through a process. Nobody's going to spend on that
for somebody's just downloading stuff and the other side of it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
It was so easy. You could just put in.

Speaker 9 (01:09:18):
How do I download a song of Katy Perry that's
not licensed and you would get an answer. That's the
stupidity of it. And listen, I've done cases where somebody's
put into their search history how do I steal money
from my employer? And then they were caught stealing and
we look at their Google history and that's what they
bloody put in.

Speaker 7 (01:09:37):
Some people were just mugged.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Oh sorry, Chris, I accidentally clicked the phone there. What
you say, you go on?

Speaker 9 (01:09:45):
Oh, I'd say that I've done jobs where somebody might
want to they think they've been stealing stuff from the workplace,
So we would jump in and make a friends a
copy of their laptop, and then we'd look at their history,
and then we'd look at their Google history, and they
are searching for how do I steal from my employer
without getting caught. Some people even said, you know, how

(01:10:05):
do I do harm to somebody without getting arrested? People
just put ed into Google and think it disappears because
they clear their case on their computer. Guys, for all
those listening, it's there forever you will get caught very true.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
I think the old mushroom clock could have used that
advice as well. Actually just googling death cat mushrooms idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
There a few people out there, though, you know, with
all this forends that can you know, friends that could
digital friend forensics. You know, anyone that was ended up
being called into court and maybe they're innocent and then
their their history and their text message streads and came out,
There'd be very few people out there that could survive

(01:10:48):
that kind of scrutiny. You know, imagine what about Johnny
Depp and Amber heard Control reading it those text messages.
I watched some of that live. It was some of
the most horrifically embarrassing stuff just read out. So you
just don't even want to be near a murder or
a serious clay just in case your computer ends up
in court.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
We've got a lot of digital skeletons all of us.
Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty. The number
to call it is a quarter to three.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
They'd be afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
We are talking about piracy stealing content online? Anything wrong
with it? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Says what's wrong with looking on your wife's phone and
kids computer? Well? I think the joke there was that
you might not like what you see. You know, you
might you might not like what you see. You might
get confused by what you see on your wife's phone
and think there's problems. And you know, privacy and relationships
is an important thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Absolutely, you should.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
You should let your wife just trust her, trust her,
and hope that she trusts you. You can't be snooping
around but your kid's computer. It's probably a good idea
to know what's on your kids computer up to probably
the age sixteen, right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Yeah, get in there and steer them, right. But anyone's
Google search without context would look absolutely disgusting, right about it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
This text asks I won't say his name because it
seems to be a question that's of urgency, and a
lot of people are texting in what about incognito searcher?
So the thing is with an incognito search, your internet
service provider knows exactly what's coming into your computer. Yeah,
and whilst the browser doesn't remember the history and a
bunch of other details. There are traces that will be

(01:12:25):
left on your computer. Yeah, I mean a VPN. VPN
will stop your Internet service provider from unseeing exactly what
you're looking at.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Yeah, it kind of hides your IP address so they
don't actually know which computer you're using. But yeah, the
old incognito doesn't hide anything.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
I love my VPN runs nearly twenty four to seven.
My old boss managed a computer repair shot before he
changed careers. Every time a PC came in, even though
not allowed, they copy all their movies and music can
stick it on a store server so staff could copy it.
He also caught a few pedos and would have formed
the police that kicked down the doors a week or
two after the PC was returned to the customers far rout. Well,

(01:13:06):
that's positive if you found a few of.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Those, Absolutely, you're doing the God's work there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Those horrible scumbags. Hey boys, Netflix isn't expensive. I think
how many things you've watched on there. You used to
have to rent movies individually, it would work out more expensive.
I wouldn't personally pirate any movies. I like going to
see movies, just my thoughts. I love going to see
movies in the theater. Absolutely love it. Went to Weapons
at the Silky Otter in Ponsonby in the weekend. Such

(01:13:36):
a good movie. Oh my god. If you get a
chance to go to Weapons, great movie.

Speaker 14 (01:13:40):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Paul, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:13:44):
Just a surprising thing. I was a couple of years
ago as a line and big a phone call for
my a Dinet provider. It was a little I'm out
in the country, so there's a rural vide that was
quite personalized service. And he just mentioned that had a
contact from come in the which movie house, Disney or
MGM or one of those big boys one in my

(01:14:07):
arm and Druce because I downloaded a particular film off
pirate Bay and what apparently couldn't to my nice internet provider.
They told me I was hit a bock and download
that searched out my IPS and reported back to America

(01:14:30):
and my I p S. I said he wasn't going
to give my details because the policy was I can't
I want to call it open Internet, that I wanted
to divulge people's addresses, et cetera. And then he suggested
a VPM et cetera. Because I didn't want to hit
the need one of those so nothing came of it,

(01:14:51):
but sort of.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
So the o SP guy was was he was enabling,
He was telling you how to do it properly.

Speaker 7 (01:14:59):
Yeah he yeah, I mean he said, if you want
to do it, I can't stop you. It's illegal, but
it's the programs you can hid hide.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Oh just slightly concerning that your Internet service provider is
tracking what you're doing.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
No, No, the provider wasn't video production company in America.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Oh wow.

Speaker 7 (01:15:25):
It picked me up and they contacted my IPS.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Provider and they contacted one of.

Speaker 7 (01:15:31):
My details they could proceedings, and my IP IPS provided
told them no that they weren't going to release it.
It's privacy and all that kind of stuff, and then
they advised to do it. If I do it, be
a bit more intelligent about it. And it's just on
the cusp of before need Flips and all that was

(01:15:54):
available and it could basically find any movie you want
nowadays one of those streaming services, and plus it has
of going to pilot By and all that kind of
stuff and trying to find the tyrant and the attack.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Download dirty and it's all.

Speaker 7 (01:16:10):
Corrupt and five bucks a month.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Paul, I mean, you've got a good ISP to give
you the heads up and say download a VPN and
you won't get caught. We're going to play some messages,
but when we come back a few more texts, it
is seven to three.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
News Talks B. It is four to two three, couple
of texts. I get a guys. I use two sites,
one for sports, other TVs and movies. Can get anything
you'll ever need from day one home and away to
this week's and anything old or new that's ever aired.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
It's so good, it's bad. It's naughty.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Don't pyrioracy bad.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
All your people have been texting in saying that you're
pirating things. Bad people, bad people. Don't do it, unless,
of course, the movie isn't available here. Then what choice
do you have? Actually, just watch dot com. I keep
reminding you with us. It's a great sight to see
which streamers have which movies. But just a heads up,
don't watch The Wolfman. I watched it last night.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
No good The wolf Man.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
What stream was that on? I believe it's on Netflix? Yes,
starring the wonderful. Julia Garner who's incredible and weapons. Yeah,
and Christopher Abbott but just the most boring weir wolf
movie ever.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Okay, stay away from the Wolfman.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Watch your guy turning into a wolf for over an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Yeap, love it. Hey, lots of other good stuff on
the streamers fantastic. And to my Irish flatmate Brendan if
you're listening, mate, he's a bit of Katie Heary for you.
We'll see you after the news.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Yeah, I need to steal it. Just listen to matt
and Tyler afternoons on ZB mate.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sevvy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Very very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show
at seven pass three. Now, we alluded to this and
we're going to get to it very shortly in a
couple of minutes because we've got something very important coming up.
New Zealander of the Week, of course, But there was
some accusations made by Mike Hosking against the body part
of yours, Matt Heath.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Yeah, that's right. Well, there was a few accusations that
were made towards us by Ryan Bridge and Mike Cosking
and the crossover between the two fantastic shows that they
do in the morning YEP and false accusations. I'm going
to say, so, we want to listen to that audio
YEP with open minds, and then I'll address the accusations
and I'll provide the evidence that exonerates me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Okay, okay, this is going to be good. That is
coming up very soon, but right now, it is seven
past three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Every Friday on Matt and Tyler Afternoons on z B,
we name the New Zealander of the Week and honor
that we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who's
had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful nation
over the previous seven days. So, without further ado, the
nominees for Matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealand of the
Week are. He generally disagrees with everything she has to say.

(01:19:11):
He's called her Chloe Marx. He's laughed till asides at
her policies. But he also has the courage of his convictions,
and if he thinks something's wrong, he will say so.
For sticking up for Chloe after she got.

Speaker 26 (01:19:23):
Kicked out of parliament even though you think she's an idiot.
Winston Peters, you are nominated.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
For New Zealander of the Week. Nomine two also gets
the A I Got You Award. Neil Finn is one
of our greatest ever songwriters, and this week he released
this statement on Facebook.

Speaker 20 (01:19:41):
My erections became weaker and weaker until they stopped altogether.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
No desire, no confidence, no control. When I said he
released that statement, it was actually an AI scam. His
management was so worried about the fake revelation that they
released the statement that essentially said that while it's only
natural for men of his age to experience this kind
of thing, Neil hasn't been locked out of the love
making just yet. Crowded house front man, don't dream it's over.

Speaker 15 (01:20:09):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Here's a message to your girl. By all accounts, there's
still something so strong going on down there. Neil fin
for not having a rectile dysfunction. You are nominated for
New Zealander of the Week, but there can be only one,
and the winner also gets the award Terminator Terminator two

(01:20:35):
Judgment Day Aliens Titanic and Piranha two. This sprning He's
been living here since twenty twelve. He's best mates with
Sir Peter Jackson and the movies he's making near Welly
pump hundreds of millions of dollars into our economy. And
this week he officially became a New Zealand citizen.

Speaker 26 (01:20:55):
James Cameron, Welcome to New Zealand and thanks for the cash.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
May you make blue three D Alien movies near Weale.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Forever you are the Matt and Tyler Afternoon New Zealander
of the week. Take it away, Howie. You gotta say
that Neil Finn story suddenly gave new meaning to that

(01:21:26):
song when you come. Great song, great band plan, everything's
working downstairs beautiful.

Speaker 13 (01:21:45):
I'll be that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Used talk said.

Speaker 27 (01:21:50):
Be looking forward to the bills come in for canceling
the big Irex feries. The Minister for Rail Winston Peters,
is on the show with us after five. How much
should we really hope for from tomorrow's showdown between Donald
Trump and Vladimir Putin? Plus sugar and fatter evil, the
ridiculous and I really mean ridiculous new rules for hospital
cafet area foods.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Thank you very much either, looking forward to that after
for a clock now something happened this morning that we
need to address.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Yeah, that's right. So we got a text this morning saying,
you know, not this morning when we came on on
you today saying yeah, are you the clowns in the
afternoon that Mike Costkin was talking about this morning. Yes,
And look, there's been some shots fired between the two
shows in the past. I mean, there's a lot of
love between us and Uncle Mike, but we do share
a studio that's a shared working space, and there are

(01:22:39):
some some I guess class points.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
And there's some niggles. There's some niggles there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Yeah, so let's listen to this from the crossover between
Mike Cosking and Ryan Bridge this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
Two great shows, just worn out by tidying up the
studio yet again this morning, Ryan, don't look at the
round And my gorm was morons who live in swill
And so you know, tell the old Dison out.

Speaker 9 (01:23:06):
Do I ever leave?

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
You're you're okay but not great. If you want to,
you can you tell me what exactly I'm doing wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
You're a bit chambaulick, to be honest. I mean, you're inconsistent.
So it's a good question you ask, and I'm glad
we've got some time to explore it. So what you
I mean, you know, where near as bad as say
those clowns in the afternoon. There's shocking. But what you
do is some days you're very good, and I think good.
He's onto it, So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
That's the accusation that we're that we're messy in the
studio here, and look, I just don't think that's true.
I want to push back. I think I'm very clean.
Tyler a bit bit filthy, but I'm pretty clean. And
also there's a lot of people in the studio after us,
before Mike gets in in the morning. Here they do
Percy Allen, for example, and there's Darcy at night, so
it's hard to know if it's us. I do know
that this piece of citrus and the rubbish here is

(01:23:55):
from my costain because I talk about it, So that
is an issue.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
He loves lemon.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
The amount of citrus that's been thrown around the studio
is is a little bit of an issue. But he
goes on to make an aixation next that I have
indisputable evidence that it's unfair and it's not me okay,
exonerated from it. Listen to this. Do you know what
the main complaint I thought you would raise is that

(01:24:19):
I've got long legs and my knees to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Yes, screens full of disaster on the screens. I'm under there.
Someone's gone under the glass screen there and fingered the
glass screen. Look at look at the prints all over.
It's shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Person. But no, no, it won't be a.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Tech person fixing because no tech person fixing anything.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Do you know what the fingerprints you can literally find out?

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
I'm going to have to because I'm under there with
the G twenty spraying upside down.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
There's small fingers.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Somebody with a small thumb around the office.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
I reckon, that's Matt, don't you Small fingered Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
That's what we call it, Small fingered Matt. See, I
resent that because I've had to put up my whole
life being called gorilla hands. I've got disproportionately big hands.
So after a lifetime have been called gorilla hands, I'm
suddenly being called small fingers.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Mattea which I look at them. A bunch of bananas over.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
There, I mean, stubby butts are on the end of bananas.
That's what various partners in my life have called them,
But I'm going to throw you under the bus. Here,
Tyler around these fingerprints so the other day and you
wanted the squiet. But if there's going to be accusations
made against me, I'm going to throw you under the

(01:25:40):
the bus. Sore we go. Tyler spilt his coffee the
other day, and there was there was an incident a
while ago where I spilt my coffee and I heroically
ripped my shirt off to protect the electronics under here.
You did say, because there's an inbuilt disk desk monitor, right,
it's under it and it's covered by glass age and
it's on my size. But Tyler spilt his coffee and

(01:26:00):
it dribbled down during the break and it penetrated the glass,
got under the glass. You got under the glass, right, yep.
And and we couldn't clean it up. And who went
under and tried to lift the glass? Tyler me?

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
I tried to do the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Heren't. It was my mess.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
I'm going to clean it up, so I see, get
out of the way, please, mat I'm just going to
try and lift that glass up, and I couldn't because
I'd glued the thing down. Who glues that glass down?

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
So if we check those fingerprints that my costing is
talking about, they will be yours and I will take
to court exhibit one my massive yam hands.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
So it's like called that a big man. Tiny they
are big, Mitch, you've got over there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
So what I want to say, I want to say
is I want, actually I want an apology from from
uncle Mike. It's Tyler tiny hands, well not Matt' small hands.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Can I just say as well that after I couldn't
get the glass off, about four other people came in
and touched that glass. So the evidence is murky.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
The evidence, Like you know, I don't have the biggest
hands in the world, but the evidence is murky. Well,
one thing's for sure. It wasn't me because at no
point did I touch the ND, no point did I
try and help clean up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
You're innocent, So you can get off the stand now
leave the courtroom questions about me. But that's for another day.
All right, stuff, Okay, all right, that's to bed. Put
that to bed, and an apology from uncle Mike is
coming any day now, Oh, I'm sure it is. I
demand one stand by on Monday morning, right coming up
very shortly. We won't have a chat about book club
We were going to get to this yesterday and we
had so many text and phone calls about the humble

(01:27:28):
old book club. There was a great story in the
Herald about a book club that has been going for
twenty years, and the author said it's been the best
thing of her life that it's kept those close social connections.
They get to read a lot of good books, drink
some good peen on war, everything going for it. But
it had us thinking, the book club does it still
exist in good old New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Yeah, let's talk about book clubs next eight hundred eighty
ten eighty and mean aloud.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on youth Talk, said.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
Very good afternoon. She it is twenty one pass three, So.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Why are we talking about book clubs?

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Tyler, Well, there was a great story in the Herald
yesterday about a book club that has been going for
twenty years. So the woman that wrote it, she says
that it has kept her social connections strong. She's got
the same group of ladies that she's gone to the
book club for for that twenty years. They love to
obviously have a few drinks when they're at book club.

Speaker 13 (01:28:29):
But it is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
I mean, it's one of those things that my parents
had a week book club for a couple of years.
I've never been to a book club because I just
don't know if fellers are allowed.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Is that true?

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
It seems to be something for the women of New
Zealand and around the world that you get together with
the ladies and have the book club, But I don't
know is it a thing for guys as well? I
love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Oh eight hundred and eighteen eighty this Texas says, please,
can we not talk about book clubs?

Speaker 9 (01:28:52):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
No, there's one rule. The first rule about book clubs
is don't talk about book book clubs?

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Right? Oh okay, so it's code for something. Oh hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Love to hear from you. Hi, Lisa, Hi, Tyler, Lisa here.
Our book club has been going for twenty seven years.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
That's a good nudge, twenty seven years to the book club.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Jimmy, welcome to the show.

Speaker 28 (01:29:20):
Hi, Hi guys, how are you good? Many to hear
he is you're both bloody awesome. Now, just before I
say about the book Club. Nanny Hoskins is added again
as usual. But listen, I'll tell you what and this
is from my heart.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Mate.

Speaker 25 (01:29:36):
John Key was on this morning.

Speaker 28 (01:29:38):
He's amazing, and I tell you, as he took over,
the ratings would even be higher.

Speaker 7 (01:29:43):
Forget about Hoskins.

Speaker 25 (01:29:45):
Nanny Hoskins.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
He was giving a full John. He was giving a
full throated support for drinking, wasn't he he was talking
about when he gave up drinking on the campaign trail
he never felt worse.

Speaker 28 (01:29:57):
Yeah, mate, what a straight shooter. But listen, guys, the
book Club I think it should be for anyone. I'm dyslexic.
I love to read, I can't I can't spell. And
the weirdest thing is I can read and you know
what I get by. But sometimes it can so frustrating.

(01:30:18):
But I'll leave it at that. But you guys, stick
to what you're doing. Don't worry about Nannie Hoskins. Baite,
you're both great. God bless your perry is baked by.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Jimmy. And look you got to say in Hoskin's defense
when he was away, when he was away on holidays,
and I know when he came back he said he
never wanted to take holiday again. But when he was
away on his holiday, this place got very messy. Indeed, certainly,
and that's when we realized he's the highest paid cleaner
in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Yeah, he does a good job with the vet in
the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Not only is he vacuuming with his two dysons that
he's got here, but he's also wiping down the desk.
And look, I've said I've said it before on the show.
To the left of me, there's this sort of bookshelf
thing and that's where Hoskin keeps his cleaning stuff. And
there's more cleaning stuff here than there is in the
officials he'd be cleaning cover.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Yeah, he's got about fifteen cans of what is that
that g twenty to the spring around like deodorant. But
God bless Mike Costkin. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Call, Nikola, Welcome to the show. You've started a book.

Speaker 29 (01:31:16):
Club, Hi, Oh, well sort of. Mine is with my
fourteen age kids. So we've got a thirteen year old,
a fifteen year old, sixteen, and a seventeen And obviously
these days very hard to get kids off the devices
and they're supposed to be reading for school. So I
came up with the plot of sitting them all down

(01:31:38):
at dinner once a week and actually getting them to
bring their book to the dinner table that you know,
whatever they're working on for their class, reading whatever it
might happen to be, or reading for you know, if
they're reading for enjoyment, which hopefully they get into doing
a little bit more and just talking about, you know,
what they're reading, what the themes are, what they find interesting,

(01:32:01):
trying to encourage them to just read as much as possible,
and it's you know, it's turned out to be a
really positive thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
I think I was talking about this the other day
with my partner about reading and why reading so good
for your brain because you have to concentrate on the words,
but then you have to create the picture in your
head whilst you're reading. So it's using your brain in
such a fantastic way. And there's lots of studies have
shown that people that read more the great brain house
consequences for that. But a Nicolas, are your kids actually

(01:32:34):
reading the book in advance?

Speaker 29 (01:32:37):
I think we're in the early stages of this, something
I've only kicked off in the last couple of weeks
there are at different levels and stages and levels of enthusiasm.
Very a little bit as well. I mean partly what
prompted it was that my thirteen year old son has
just been assessed as having a sixteen year old reading level.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Well well, at which.

Speaker 29 (01:33:01):
Point my husband and I said to each other there
must be a whole lot more reading in fortnight than
what we realize. Yeah, so that was if that gives
you an indication of how much reading we sort of
thought he was doing. Yeah, but it's obviously yes, I
mean most of us, you know, back in the day
that was that was all we could do apart from

(01:33:23):
watch TV. And I think just the different form of
concentration for kids when they have you know, when they're
reading a book and concentrating on it chapter by chapter
rather than you know, a few seconds on a reel
or whatever they're doing on social media. It's just such
a different discipline, I guess for ont of the better word.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Yeah, So, as we were talking about just the other
day a company of watch day it was might have
been Wednesday, we were talking about how studies are showing
the damage that reels and TikTok and YouTube shorts and
those shortfum videos are doing for kids' brains, and how
difficult it makes for people. The more you look at those,
the harder it is to do things that take a
longer form of concert and a lot of people are

(01:34:09):
finding it. You know, adults included much harder to read
books or read long form articles or anything. So if
you can get your kids to do that, if you
can get them over that threshold where they start reading
some of the greatest experiences in your life. I remember
when I first read Lord of the Rings when I
was a kid, I just I just loved it. I
couldn't believe how great it was.

Speaker 29 (01:34:31):
Oh, I think just the fact that it gives kids,
and you know, this is going to take I think
it will be an ongoing challenge and the competition from
devices and YouTube and gaming and you know everything else
that's got that that real instant adrenaline buzz, that instant response,
you know, all of those attractions, flash addictions that kids

(01:34:55):
are getting into. I think it's it's going to be,
you know, like I say, ongoing challenge. But but even
just their vocabulary, you know, the breadth of if they're
reading a whole breadths of material. Hopefully they're learning a
broad of vocabulary, they're learning.

Speaker 7 (01:35:11):
To express themselves more effectively.

Speaker 29 (01:35:13):
And and just it does give them. I mean, to me,
reading is always it's relaxation. It's sort of an escape
from the real world. And I think just for kids
knowing that there's, as you say, you can sort of
create your own imaginary worlds and you're here as you
are reading, rather than having it all just served up
to you on the screen.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Yeah, it's interesting how times change. I think I've told
the story before on the show, but when my mum
was a kid, she used to read a lot, and
her dad used to come and say, put that down
and get outside, wasting your life. You're rotting your brain
with those books. That's how much things have changed.

Speaker 29 (01:35:48):
My children are well aware that when I was a kid,
I used to get snapped by the parents for being
under my covers at some ungodly hour of the night
with my torch my book. And that was sort of
the you know, the deadly song was still being awake
at you know whatever time.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Tell you what if you kicked out the door now
and you found your child reading a book under their
covers with the torch, you probably carry on, you probably cry,
you'd be so happy.

Speaker 29 (01:36:18):
Absolutely No.

Speaker 24 (01:36:20):
Times.

Speaker 29 (01:36:21):
Times have well and truly changed to the point where
you know, when you do the back in my day,
they're like, Mum, that just doesn't count. It's it is
so far from your day, it's not funny.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Nicholo. If you've been involved in one of those wine
soaked adult book clubs, though not adult books, but book
clubs involving adults, I would have.

Speaker 29 (01:36:39):
To say, with four teenagers at the table, I am
bringing the wine, not for them, not for them. No,
I haven't, but I can. I can fully understand how
you know, the grown up book clubs may well.

Speaker 7 (01:36:52):
Be a bit of a fifty fifty of the books and.

Speaker 29 (01:36:56):
The wine and cheese. You know, all power, all power
to them, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Well, as the saying goes, if the book club ends
up at a nightclub, was it ever a book club
to start with? Fair point, Nicolie, you're great, Thank you
very much. Joe one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If
you're part of a book club, love to hear from you.
I'm looking at this Northeastern University study from twenty twenty four,
and it estimates that attention span on tasks has dropped

(01:37:21):
from two and a half minutes to about forty five
seconds in the last ten years for the average American
japis So if you've got an attention span of forty
five seconds, pretty hard to read. Lord of the Rings,
it certainly is.

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Now back to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Thank you very much, Wendy. We're talking about book clubs.
Great story in the Herald yesterday about a book club
that's been going for twenty years. So we want to
hear what goes on at your book club and is
it just an excuse to have a few wines and
get a boost?

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Well, what do you need an excuse to have a
few wines and get boosts.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
It's a good point and I love getting boost and
isn't the best thing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
That we can do now in these socially isolated times
when we're working increased hours to find excuses to get
together This Texas is book clubs is just code for
wine club I love that, So I wait, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. If you're running a book club,
is it just a wine club? And if so, is

(01:39:33):
there anything wrong with that?

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
I had one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call?

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
I always thought tuple where parties were code for I
don't know something I can do.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
I don't think much too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Were sold keys in the bowl?

Speaker 7 (01:39:45):
Is that right?

Speaker 15 (01:39:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
I hade hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Well, welcome to the show.

Speaker 20 (01:39:49):
How are you?

Speaker 25 (01:39:51):
Thanks for taking the call. I was listening yesterday, but
I was too late ringing in about the book club,
and I thought i'd share with you and your listeners
the one that's operating in our family. I've got fourteen
grandkids and they started at about six years ago, and
they all readers. You know, some are working full time,
the oldest one is twenty eight, and some are still

(01:40:13):
at primary. So there's a good cross section. Some have
got degrees, some are working in different places. But the
book club they started was I think it was in
twenty fourteen, and they it was fourteen and fourteen, so
they had to read fourteen books if they could, and
then fifteen and fifteen they're now up to twenty five

(01:40:34):
and twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Wow, so just understand I'm a bit slow. So fourteen
and fourteen what weeks?

Speaker 25 (01:40:42):
Books in twenty and fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
I see what you're saying. That's brilliant. Yeah, what a
great And so they've stuck with it to twenty five
and twenty five.

Speaker 9 (01:40:51):
Well so far, Well they're up to it now.

Speaker 25 (01:40:52):
They're up to it now.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
But that's that's a book every two weeks. That's that's imprison.

Speaker 25 (01:40:57):
Yeah, and it's good for them. It's I mean, they're
not all book worms. They're quite balanced that they all
sorts of things, drama, sport and everything like that, but
they try to do it and if they can achieve it,
and they swap books amongst themselves. I don't think there's
any wine involved for the young ones. And they're all
in different places you know, Auckland, Brisbane, Wellington, whatever, but

(01:41:22):
it's the sort of thing and it's really fantastic for
them that they all converse. Well they and two of them,
I think three of them have just done their prerecs
at I think Malza, MCT Grammar, sind Oran's and another
school can't really high but they had to and a
lot of the literacy is one of those prerecks, and

(01:41:43):
that's the literacy one they just waltzed through. It was
just amazing. So it's just so good for them.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
That's so great to hear Phil who picks the books. Though,
You've got to come up with just picking twenty five
books in a year. And you know, if I did
the maths on that, you've got fourteen, you've got fifteen,
you've got sixteen seven. That's a lot of books that
someone's had to select.

Speaker 25 (01:42:01):
They picked their own book and then they pass to
the next person.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Wow. How good. Oh, well, good on you for having grandkids.
That's that's awesome. Phil. It makes me think of that
Denzel Washington movie The Equalizer where he's trying to read
the one hundred best books of all times. So he's
reading them from one hundred down. Yeah, to honor his
dead wife.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Here's a great text here, get oy, guys. I recently
joined a book club through a loose friend. I love reading.
I read the recommended book and had lots of it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
What's a loose friend? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
Wow, here we go. I think it just explains it.
So I read the recommended book and had lots of
thoughts about it. However, when I got to the book
club night, one of the women basically smoked at me
and said they don't always actually read the book. It's
just an excuse to get together to drink wine.

Speaker 9 (01:42:44):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
I then had an awkward evening because I didn't know
anyone and had nothing to talk with them about. But
the wine was very good. Have I missed something here?
As book club just effectively.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
The wine club?

Speaker 9 (01:42:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
But what's wrong with that?

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Exactly? It sounds like a great time. I mean, if
it's a chance to come around and socialize that if
the book is just the excuse to get around and
socialize and drink some wine and have a laugh, get amongst.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
It, go hard. Yeah, that's right. This business is No
self respecting man would ever be seen at a book club.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Wow, okay, is that true? I wait, one hundred eighty
ten eighty. It is twenty wonder four.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tylor Adams. Afternoons
news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
There'd be it is eighteen to four and we're talking
about book clubs. Are you part of a book club.
What goes on in the book club? Do you drink
a lot of wine? Is it a chance to socialize
and have a laugh with your mates?

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
Really?

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
Can hear from you on O eight hundred eighty ten
eighty Matt and Tyler?

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
I normally love your show. But how dare you? How
dare you? You have stolen my dreams in my childhood? No,
how dare you? I am a man who has a
book club with my friends. We're not all poker drinking whiskey.
I think that's around the wrong way. But I get
what I'm saying. Yeah, we say we're not all poker.
We're not all whiskey drinking poker beings.

Speaker 7 (01:44:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Yeah, But he's got the two things around the wrong
way there. So how do you know? But we were
just reading out the text there the texter.

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
So he was annoyed that apparently book clubs are not
for men.

Speaker 20 (01:44:14):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
I think he thinks that when I read out that
text that said no self respecting man would ever go
to a book club, he thought that that was my
personal opinion. Yeah, I was just reading out their opinion
other people. We share the opinions of people.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
Absolutely, we do oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
Call Margaret, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Hello, Hello, you've been in a book club for a
couple of decades.

Speaker 30 (01:44:36):
Well, yes, for nearly nearly thirty years. Here was going
before that, and there was still another original member when
I joined in it now too. We're not a big group,
but we all met on and dust. I can't never
remember night when we drank wine, right, just do it

(01:44:57):
might have had perhaps at Christmas time? Perhaps?

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
How are you picking the books, Margaret?

Speaker 30 (01:45:04):
We have a catalog couples out at the end of
each year and we all take a turn at picking
so many books, and then I collect them and we
have twelve of them. We've picked twenty five books and
about three or four reach and they listened down and
they send them out to us where.

Speaker 11 (01:45:22):
We picked them up.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Well, is that the wick Cools catalog?

Speaker 30 (01:45:27):
No, no, it's not. It's the workers I've said before,
wa group discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Groups, right, and so never wine involved. Is there repercussions
for people that just turn up and they've done the
blink list, or they haven't read the book, or they've
run it through checks.

Speaker 30 (01:45:46):
You usually just well we talk a lot too. We
can get sidetracked here.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Is Yeah, well, I mean that's the point. It's just
it's a great way to get together and you've got,
you know, a focus of something to talk about.

Speaker 30 (01:45:59):
Some have read the book and loved it, and others
absolutely hate us. From someone else's opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Yeah, sounds like a good group. Mark, great, Thank you
very much.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
Be sure. I only brought up the wick Calls list
because there one hundred box for twenty twenty five, twenty
twenty six came out and just looking there, just to
hit of the hobbit, there is a lifeless, punishing Thirteen
Ways to Love Your Life You've got by Matt Heath.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
It's a good book, that one, and that's fast moving
up the chance, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
So hopefully so that one will be in a few
talk book.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
Bruce, you have been in a book club of eighteen months.

Speaker 11 (01:46:36):
Yeah, that's that's the at all I was. I was
asked to by a neighbor to the road who was
the only man in the book club. There's about oh
you get about up to about a dozen or fifteen
women or all of us come along, good eyes, and

(01:46:57):
I've got another guy who joined since so there's three
men come along, and what do we do? We go,
they'll go around each one of us and ask us
what we've read. And we'll so we've read, and what
the book was like, and if we enjoyed it or not.

(01:47:17):
We sometimes we get we'll read more, get through more
than one book a month?

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
How good? And and and as I say, is a
party situation or is it totally focused on the book?
Are you having drinks with that?

Speaker 11 (01:47:31):
Yes, drinks tea of tea and a whiskey. And no,
I've never drunk in my life. Welcome and I am
now seventy six.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
Oh really right? Yes, well well done. That's good.

Speaker 11 (01:47:50):
Anyway, the book club here is as I say, there's
only only a cup of tea. But it's only for
about an hour and hour and a quarter. And to
get around everybody you need to you need to need
to not fluff around. What else do I asked me?

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
What's there?

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
A biscuits?

Speaker 11 (01:48:15):
I just chocolate or playing biscuits?

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
What he goes sounds like a good time, Bruce, Thank
you so much for your call. Well, the gentleman who
sent in text saying no self respecting man would have
a book club kere to finish the idea with a
because yeah, why why text did it? Text that? And
why would no self respecting man be part of a
book club? Because Bruce just rang up and he has
a bloody great time at the book club with his
twelve twelve woman and a cup of tea. And you

(01:48:42):
manage two book clubs?

Speaker 24 (01:48:44):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (01:48:44):
I do?

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
And how do they work? And when you say you
manage them, do you have to choose the box?

Speaker 11 (01:48:51):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:48:51):
No, we all choose the box.

Speaker 12 (01:48:53):
We get catalog each year about October from the years,
which is the FWS group christ and I must step
about one thousand, teen hundred.

Speaker 7 (01:49:04):
Book clubs in New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (01:49:06):
So get two here that I managed.

Speaker 18 (01:49:08):
They're probably about six or weather.

Speaker 12 (01:49:12):
That's great, and we do have wine. But you we
discussed the book. Yep, sometimes we hate the book and
its sunny how much you've discussed the book and go
back to I didn't get that?

Speaker 25 (01:49:27):
Yeah you read again?

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Yeah, So if you're running two book clubs, and do
you have to read two different books for each book
club or do you have the same book.

Speaker 5 (01:49:38):
We will read the same book and we get back
and discuss it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
But I read so I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, Then we're
trying to sort out your line. It's cutting off, but
we were loving that chat. So we'll try and sort
out your line and get back to you if we can.
And that's pretty surely. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 31 (01:50:01):
Yes, hello, hello. I have been involved in the book
club for about twelve years. Our book club is a
group of women, but not necessarily. You don't have to
be a woman to join.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
We're about based. We're about so you're based, Cherlie, just gisine.
I was going to say Tyler would join if you're
a bit closer to Auckland, but continue, sorry, Gisbine.

Speaker 31 (01:50:29):
So we are about the seven of us, and most
of the time there are fixed people who come along.
We somebody in the group might choose a book. We
then read that and often it's reading a page. Person
around the table reads a paragraph or so, and then
we discuss or have a laugh or whatever. Our beverage

(01:50:54):
is a cup of tea or coffee. It's we have
a it's a morning group. And it's not that we
don't drink that. People enjoy wine, but not at the
book group. And yes, it's a diverse group of women
too have become friends.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
So the book club never ends up at the nightclub.

Speaker 31 (01:51:11):
No it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
But what what was the last book that you guys read, Chiley.

Speaker 31 (01:51:21):
Well, we're actually reading an independent Catholic magazine called The Two.

Speaker 16 (01:51:26):
More Truth, okay, and we read we read the stories
in there.

Speaker 31 (01:51:30):
In our group, we have five Catholic girls, one Presbyterian,
one Anglican. We're very happy to have anybody from any
faith or no faith. It's just those people are happy
to be a part of the group and we have
a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Jurelie, this is a hard question to ask, but what
is the best book you've ever read?

Speaker 31 (01:51:52):
The best book?

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Good question?

Speaker 31 (01:51:54):
Would I would say a book written by Joy Cowley,
who was a well known New Zealand author author of
children's books as well. I can't I can't remember the
title off the top of my head, but yes, her
writings are very good.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
Okay, all right, Well, thank you so much for you
called Shirley, and good luck with those book clubs.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
Sounds like a great book club down in Gizzy, I
think we've got time for a near Tello in it.

Speaker 18 (01:52:21):
Hello, how are your radio down?

Speaker 7 (01:52:25):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Am, I dear yep?

Speaker 18 (01:52:28):
Okay, Yeah, I'm in a book club and it's great,
we've had it. We've probably started at about I don't know,
ten years ago, and we use book club and a
bag through the library. It's free of charge. There's only
eight in our group because we don't want to go
too big things that we can zach away for weekends
in the wirapa or something and get accommodation and have
a bit of a layer up. But generally we meet

(01:52:49):
on the first Wednesday of the month, and of course
that's the school night, so we'll have one glass of wine,
sometimes two, and then it's normally a beautiful sort of
cake of course life and.

Speaker 5 (01:53:03):
And then off we go.

Speaker 18 (01:53:03):
But when you get book club in a bag, there's
a list of questions and we you know, obviously answered
I and discussed those and then that may lead to
another discussion.

Speaker 5 (01:53:14):
Somewhere along the line or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
The one this week is called Ghost in the Throat,
Ghost in the Throat Jesus, Ghost.

Speaker 18 (01:53:23):
In the Throat, And that's a really interesting title because
it comes backwards and forwards. It's an Irish book and
it's about a poem that was written in the seventeenth
century that this woman in the twenty first century reads
and asides she's in authorcles and does poetry but got
into a bit of writing. And yeah, that's a star

(01:53:43):
as I've got the moment. It starts off in the
blurb that the woman in the seventeenth century wrote a
poem and she was married but had her husband killed
and she was deeply upset and drinker's blood.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
Oh that goes on fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
So this is why Dorian, I can't. I'm going to
struggle to pronounce the name Dorian Irish.

Speaker 7 (01:54:08):
It's an Irish name, ye right?

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
Yeah right? And and what what about the when when
you have a book club, is everyone reading the book
or as are some people talk are turning up and
faking it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:22):
Both?

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Thank you so much for your call, Annette.

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
Yeah, love that right, got to play some messages. But
when we come back a few more of your texts.

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It is seven to four, the big stories, the big issues,
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Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
Now, let me get my w ife. You said you
were going to read the text but you haven't got
any no, no, no, let's get straight into our caller
of the week's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
Okay, thank you so much for listening to the show,
and thanks for your calls and text this week. We
love them so much. We always run a caller of
the week, and this week's caller of the week was
Michael on the topic of the damaged short form video.
Due to the mind and the mood, you have to go.

Speaker 22 (01:55:11):
Through periods where you're choosing boredom over infinite entertainment, and
it's a pretty hard mental struggle with yourself. But you do,
like you do have your general feeling sort of come
back to that base level. It's actually really good. Like
if you do sort of walks in the bush and
you don't have your phone on you at all, you can,

(01:55:33):
like seriously feel so clear and like all the clog
has been washed out.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
A lot of people don't have the resilience or the
presence of mind actually attempt to get off there. People
your age, the good on your Michael, there you go, Michael,
good on your mate, finding a good part, fighting the
good fight, getting off your devices and getting off the
short term form videos. Tyler, Yes, just before we end
the show, Why am I playing this song?

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
A bit of When You Come By Crowded House, A
fantastic song and what a tune.

Speaker 7 (01:56:06):
To go out with.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
Okay, it's too much of a cowed to say why
I'm playing there, anybody? Have a great weekend.

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