Full Show Podcast: 15 July 2025

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The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Talk SAIB, Good afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday's show.
Awesome to have your company as always. Hope you're doing well.
We're if you're listening in this beautiful country of ours.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Kadoy mat and get a Tyler gideone Mia Koppers. There's
a big part of our show. It is, in fact,
it's nine percent of our show apologizing for what we've done.
But yesterday really fired people up with your mispronunciation of
the people of Manchester. You Tyler and your ignorance referred
to them as Manchurians. Ye, the Mancunians. People from Manchester

(01:31):
are Mancunians. Write it down, man Cunians, Mancunian, man Cunian,
not Manchurian. I mean that's a great movie, but the
Manchurian candidate. You know, so, I'd like you to apologize
to those that great northern city and Liam and Noel Gallagher.
I'm not apologizing to those two, the Stone Roses, the Smiths.

(01:52):
You need to apologize.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Power in the in the newsroom. Sorry, Alex. I know
you're a man Cunian.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Okay, I've got a question for you. I'm originally from
Duneedian Somemmer, Dunedin Knight. Yep, there's auckland Is, there's Hamiltonians.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
What's someone from christ Jurch you're from christ Church Cantabrian
but that's that's from the that's from the province. But
from the city. It's just Carian. Yeah, christ Churchian?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
No, not christ Churchian? What Christ christ Church?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
And I who decides these things? What's someone from in
vcago InCAR Giglian and then Giglian.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah what about Westport Portian? Nowsoniana, there's nice christ Churchian.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, I wonder what the rules that that that that
you decide that you know, who decides what you are?
Because it's just an Aucklander is just an Aucklander?

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well look at this for weird people from Newcastle are
no Vocastrians?

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Have I just been stitched up there? What is Novocastrian?

Speaker 5 (02:56):
Me?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
That feels like a dirty word, that checks out, that
checks out. I got to get the bottom of what
people from Christ are called, what people from Christ called.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
This was a playing people. By the way, you might
not notice, but we didn't think we're going to be
researching what people have. It's Cantabrians, just Cantabrian.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
No, but that's has to be. There's one for this
because as Booty in, so if you're from you're an
a targo Wian. Yep, if from a Tiger, you're an
a targo Wian. But you're a Danita Knight if you
see what I'm saying, Yeah, what does Google say? Nine
two nine two? If you know, it's just says contemprian.
But that's from someone So you you know you're not.

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The whole subur of christ Church is more to Canterbury
than just christ Church.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
We've only just apologized and now we're gonna have to
apologize again another and make another mea copper one that
I've got to actually say, and it did my hit
in last night. I was saying Neil de Grassi Tyson
yesterday when we're having that chat, and that actually really
annoyed me. That was one that I am incredibly sorry for.
It's Neil A grass Tyson. It's not a Cantyrian. It's

(04:01):
not a Cantarrian. As someone's messaging Canterrian. Apparently mispronunciations is
missed pronunn siation. Yeah, but we we What's what's with
all this kind of you know, any anyone that hustles
anyone around pronunciation. Pronunciation is on shaky, shaky ground across
any language, if you ask me. And John's just had

(04:23):
a bit of a shot at at Cantabrian's he said,
it's pronounced critens.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
So how do you, John, how do you? The good
people of Christ? You not even there. I got to say,
there's no one coming through, There's no one, no one
coming through saying what someone from Christ is, so maybe
it doesn't have a name.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
All right, we'll get an answer to that before the
end of the show.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
We came weal there's Wellingtonians. Yeah, Wellingtonians.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Why Nui Martians. That's a great one.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Anyway. Anyway, they're coming through thinking fast. That's not what
we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Let's get to the show today because it's got We've
got a doozy four years we always do after three o'clock.
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Speaker 2 (05:12):
So, how do you feel that the Overton window on
beer bums is moved to the point where you can
just you can just moon anyone on national TV to
hock your product. How do you feel about that? And
how far do you think it's going to go?

Speaker 6 (05:25):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
And what other areas of the Overton window have surprised
you in their movement? The Overton window being a model
for understanding how ideas move from unthinkable to standard over time.
So it is now fine according to the Broadcasting Standards
Authority and the Advertising Standards Authority for someone to moon
you on TV to sell their product. So that's how

(05:47):
far the Overton window has moved from, as I said,
before the seventies when someone was stood down from TV
one for saying toilet paper on it. Yeah, there's got
to be a great chat after three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
After two o'clock, you could pay a real estate agent
thirty thousand dollars more to say your home, But is
it worth it? Analysis by a property data firm they're
called Cotality they suggest that it is head of research
and his agents seem to sell properties more quickly and effectively.
But is that really true?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Have you sold your house yourself? Have you just gone around,
nailed up the sign in the front of your house,
gone online, posted stuff, huffed up an Insta, Graham suns out,
let's go whatever, Yeah, penogrees on the deck and hocked
your house and not had to pay because I wouldn't.

(06:35):
I can't imagine the amount of admin plus just the
confrontation you have to deal with. Real estate agent's so
good at that, But we'd like to hear from real
esta agents why are you still needed in twenty twenty five?
And from people that have attempted to sell their houses
by themselves. That is after talk clock.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
But right now, let's have a chat about who so
hoon's on dirt bike sanding cars are terrorizing locals and
damaging parks. Police plan a crackdown in rote Or after
numerous reports of illegal dirt bike activity. There's been quite
a bit of that activity up in Northland as well,
and an editorial in today's New Zealand Herald says it
is time to clamp down on these hoons once and

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for all.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
But are they any worse now? Because if you read
the news, if you look at social media, it seems
like the boy races of today are far worse than
we've ever seen before. But haven't we always had them?
I mean, what about the movie American Graffiti. I know
that's American, but you know, Boggie's driving around the cars

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has always been a thing, hasn't it.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
And what's so bad about the behavior of dirt dirt
bike riders that it's making people so angry? Because people
seem to be particularly angry at dirt bike riders. But
hasn't there always been dirt bike riders. I had my
mates when I was going to school would ride to
school and do terrible things on their dirt bikes. Is
this a new thing or is there something about twenty

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twenty five that's making boy races, dirt bike riders, whatever
you want to call them worse than ever? Their behavior?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Do they still do the skids? I mean, if you
need think, I would say that the boy racer activity,
the boyos has reduced, particularly in parts of the South Island.
So remember the days of the skits the Saturday night
where they go out into a rural area and lay
down some diesel and do some burnout and have a
good old time. I just don't know if that happens
as much anymore.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I think that's happening quite a lot in Aukland, right,
there's some backstreets in West Auckland that you know there's
bits of tire everywhere. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. But
but is that just the bad part of it?

Speaker 5 (08:28):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Is it the behavior in the cars or or the
behavior around it worse? This Texas says, don't be relic ridiculous.
Boy racers are worse than anything we have ever seen
in this country. There was some bad driving and some
drinking back in the day, but we didn't have knives.
The boy racers of today are evil in a way
we never were. Right, So this sounds like it that's Texas,
sounds like it was from someone that was a boggy

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or oh eight hundred eighty ten and eighty.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
If you're a bodgye or a boyo, or if you're
currently a car enthusiast or a boy race, we'd love
to hear from you, but also from you listening out there.
Are you inundated with these hones? Is it worse than
it's ever been? Or is it just because we see
it more often in the headlines. Love to hear from
you on, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
And that is not true that Aucklanders are Jeffers. That
is not the official term for Aucklanders. And in the
Karglians aren't Ingbredians. That's ridiculous. Oh, come on. This text
of Ben says people only get angry at dirt bike
riders because they don't have a dirt bike themselves. There'd
be some truth in that. Is that true? Fifteen past
one oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty, the.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
They'd be afternoon, eighteen past one, and we're talking about hoons.
There's an editorial in the Herald today saying it's time
we do something about the hoons and the dirt bike
riders that are terrorizing locals and damaging parts. But we've
asked the question, is it any worse today than it
has been in the past with oraces.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Or is this just a beat up? They used to
be called milk bar cowboys in the nine fifties. Anyone
remember that. That's embarrassing to me called that? How much
damage going to milk bar cowboy? Do boggies, lead foots,
petrol heads, bogans, boy races, redheads, hons. We've had, we've
had all of them. Boy races, enthusiast YEP, and the

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dirt what do you call the dirt bike riders just turns,
just turns. Yeah, this text is sears and I read
this is outrageous of you to suggest these boy races
are just boys having fun. We didn't They are criminals.
It's pea, it's drink, it's violence. It has nothing to
do with cars. It's the worst of society.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, and this takes to Sears guys and the Waikato
diace and dirt bikes across Hamilton boys fields a few
years ago was probably at a level that wasn't surpassed
a right ripping up the local boys field.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, well, yeah, I remember when I was at Malory
Hill Primary School in Dunedin, some dirt bike riders ripped
up the local bowls club and I remember, even as
a kid thinking you dirt bags, because how hard is
it to run a lawns at a bowls club and
for someone just to come in there and do doughnuts?

Speaker 6 (11:09):
Arener?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, you're pretty scummy if you do something like that.
You're not You're not dropping with empathy, are you?

Speaker 5 (11:14):
No?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. I'd love to hear your thoughts about the hoons.
Are they getting worse to you experience them around where
you live? And if you've been a boy racer or
you currently are a boy racer, we'd love to hear
from you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
The hogs with no mufflers are what's pissing me off.
Anything that noisy should be fast, but they're slow and
smaller than a car. Yeah, that's a good text, Trevor.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Bloody good?

Speaker 8 (11:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (11:40):
No, oh you've been old booming that I own. I
remember the day the old boggies and they used to
have their cigarette packets roll up in the little sleeves
on the T shirt. But I mean the cars wasn't
a big thing back in those days, really, because I
mean the amount of cars and the oxens around back then.

Speaker 6 (11:57):
Do what the other day?

Speaker 9 (11:58):
But every time they talk about hoons and burnouts, I
don't know what it's my intensive humor, but takes me
back to when we've got our ribon. Wellington got their
famous rainbow cross yep, and the bist think about it
across fifty thousand dollars and things like that. But what
some ball race has done. On the day before the opening,
they decided to put black all over it and they

(12:19):
went down their cards that they done all these burnouts
on top of this rainbow crossing. And of course the
old council had to work doubly hard to get it
ready for the fish collepening the following afternoon.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Classic Classics human behavior.

Speaker 9 (12:34):
Oh absolutely, I know you shouldn't laugh about it, but
I did. And as I said, I might be talking
about my tenth of humor. But they just enjoyed getting
their cars on, their spunning those wheels and it was incredible. Really,
they covered probably about fifty percent of it.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Is there anything, Hilaria, Is there anything that boy racers
could skid over that you would have a problem with, Trevor?

Speaker 9 (12:54):
No, well, no, not really, Honor, But like man, I
don't get too excited about the way sort of youngest
people like the youngershers these days. Back in our day,
we used to do some absolutely stupid, stupid things.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
So you know, I just think it's part of life,
do you think? And it's okay?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
So you think you think that you go through young
people go through a stupid stage. There's just stages of life.
You're a kid, and then you're a teenager. Then you
go through a stupid stage and then then you get
some responsibility comes in and then you look back and go, jeez,
I was an idiot, but you know now I've got
some bills to pay, so yeah, but only a.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
Small faction of people probably like that.

Speaker 9 (13:30):
But always if you don't remember the top your thing
used to be, getting on your car and go down
the local favors on the local rugby or soccer.

Speaker 10 (13:38):
Field in your car and to what you're doing, I
don't think.

Speaker 9 (13:41):
You'll ever get riever, it's a it's just a part
of growing up for some people.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
So do you think you don't think that there's any
worse behavior now than there's ever been, because if you
look at the media and and you know social media,
if you read it, which is the new I guess
complaining place for for keywiks, that it will sound like
it's worse than ever.

Speaker 9 (14:02):
Yeah. Well, I mean it's very hard to compare because
I mean, every young person's got a car the days
and dug it up. And I mean back in you know,
when I was growing up, somebody would have a car,
but it wasn't to the same extent, extent and the
same and intensity that it is now, So it is
a little bit hard to come in. I mean, we
used to drive around the Greenies one like this. We

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used to drive around the V eight Monaros and Falcons
and that and Wellington City used to be you could
drive right through it, no one may streets and of
course every night all night you just sold your car
off with petrol briss about thirty cents a leader, and
you just go up and down, up and down with
a little noisy exhaust and doing the odd.

Speaker 7 (14:41):
Patch at the light.

Speaker 9 (14:42):
So I think it's always been there.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Were you're committing any other crimes, Trevor, when you were
cruising through Wellington and your V.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
Eight Oh.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
No comment, it's a hard use from Trivor. Thank you
for your call. This this Texas is wake up guys.
Those call those so called dirt bikers you see ripping
around a gang prospects a bit different than the old days.
But we used to have gang prospects in the old
days as ol, didn't they. Yeah, I mean what about
the road nights?

Speaker 3 (15:11):
That's right, yep? I mean, is it to Trever's point,
is it different than that dirt bikes now? Was that
it was nifty fifties back when I was a teenager
and we did so we you know, we had the
nifty fifty gangs. We were we were super cool man.
We were you know, he's knees and.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
You were in a nifty fifty year Yeah, I would
have ween a fifty fifty boy. That must be low
down on the pecking order of gangs bike gangs.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Nobody thought we were much of a danger. Funnily enough, bye,
you know we we we tore it up in our.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Nifty fifties man that the road knights would have eaten you.
Nifty to fifty gang alive we had when they came
into town.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It's twenty four past one. Back with Maury
of your call, shortly putting.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
The tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (15:52):
Eric Stanford is the Education minister. Okay, so about a
month ago you hosted Sir Nick Gibb in the country. Now,
Surnic Gibb is obviously the chap who turned education around.
But for the UK couple of decades back, did he
teach you anything you didn't know?

Speaker 12 (16:04):
He's been an excellent mentor. Nick told me never give
up and never compromised.

Speaker 10 (16:08):
Keep going.

Speaker 12 (16:09):
Now. I remember a year ago when people were putting
a lot of pressure on me to get rid of
the correquisites because it was meaning that young people may
not get there in Cea and I held my ground
and said, no, we're not lowering the level.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
We're not getting rid of it.

Speaker 12 (16:20):
These young people need to be literate and numerate and
we will do whatever it takes.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
And we are doing that.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Heather duplusy Ellen on the My asking Breakfast back tomorrow
at six am with a Vida Retirement Communities on News
toms'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
It's twenty seven past one, so hanging on.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
You've got a message. At the start of the hour,
we'll get back to the boy races and whether they're
worse now than they used to be. But we're asking
the question if you're a dune to Night and an
ork Hoonda and a Wealentonian and a Hamiltonian, then what
are you if you're from christ Church Because everyone says
that you're a Cantabrian or a cantep Yes, but what
about but that doesn't I mean, that's just christ Church
is different from twice old Timaru, Rangiora, Lincoln, Tamuka, Prebbleton, Oxford,

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any number of Methven, any number of towns in Canterbury.
So you can't be from christ Church and just be
a Cantebriary.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Wow is emailed through and he's done the research here,
so he says, Kiday, guys, I've always called a person
from christ Church, New Zealand to Cantabrian, so I thought
I'd do some further research. A person from christ Church
in Dorset in the UK is typically called a christ Chuchian. Well,
the town is not a large city. Some website say
it has a distinct identity and this term is used

(17:27):
to refer to its residents, the.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Christchurchen christ Churchian. How do you feel about that christ Churchiens?
You like been called a christ Churchien?

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Does?

Speaker 3 (17:36):
It doesn't have a ring to it, doesn't roll off
the tongue stick to Cantabrians anyway.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Anyway, that's britic. Clear that up. Moving back on the subject, Hi, guys,
semi retired boy racing here. I got onto the boy
racing scene when I was eighteen, twenty plus years ago.
Some of the greatest years of my life. Friday nights,
Saturday nights, catching up with people, you socialize, do burnouts,
watch burnouts. What change is when it's shifted more from
doing burnouts to racing. Cars have got faster and when

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the focus is on racing. Unfortunately, things can go wrong,
they can go very wrong. That's that's interesting. So it's
the that the cars that have changed to make it worse,
which is a fair point. Cameron, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (18:16):
How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Very good?

Speaker 6 (18:18):
I thought in Christ you it's you were defined by
what private school you went to.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Absolutely the christ cology.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
In first question, you're asked when you're down there camera,
what school did you go to?

Speaker 6 (18:29):
Now these, yeah, I think you're really a courset on
my thunder a little bit. It's the scale now that
these kids are on these bikes. Kind Of back in
the day, yes, there were the kids around, but it
was kind of one and they'll be down at the
park and they'll be sharing it amongst five riders. Now

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these days, all the kids seem to have these bikes.
So I don't know if they've gotten them through legitimate
means or whatever, but vehicles in generals seem to be
more accessible than what they were when we were growing up.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
I wonder if that's a social media thing as well.
It's easier to organize for large groups of people to
come together in one spot than you know. Just as
you say, a couple of the kids getting together down
down down a back road. You can get a whole
lot of people together quite easily.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
Yeah, if you if you're out sort of driving the street,
sort of money were sort of Papakura both sort of
great South road there. You'll see forty of these kids
on a bike on their bikes at once, going down
the wrong side of the road and stuff. And it's
like back in the day. Yes, we used to do
body stupid ship with cars and stuff at language, but

(19:39):
now these little hoodlums are kind of multitasking and they
they're bounching out into other sort of criminal stuff. You're
not just riding your bike and being a bit of
a nuisance. They're up to other stuff as well. I
think that's probably the difference.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
But gang members on their bikes back in the day,
we're up to other stuff.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
Yeah, But I think a lot of your other Texas
all callers said a lot of these prospects potentially for
bigger honors, and.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
That's a fair point. I think prospects have been known
to be a little bit more loose with some of
their activity because they're trying to prove themselves. And not
to say that gang members don't do terrible things. But
you know, you could argue that the senior gang members
still have some sort of code, even though it's a
horrible code. The prospects can be more dangerous, right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
And I possibly think the age as well, like a
lot of these kids I would say would be very
early teens. That's even that some of the ones you
see on the bikes these days.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, I think if you call Cameron, I'm amazed. So
I was on Saunder's place in Westalkland the other day, yep,
and man, there's clearly a lot of activity going around there.
There's so so much junk from cars. There's there's there's
skid marks everywhere, there's bits of tires everywhere. I mean,

(20:58):
if you wanted to, if you wanted to shut that down,
you just need a couple of cops hide around the
corner any any Friday or Saturday night. You're going to
catch a lot of people. Yeah, you know. Or just
if you're a cop and just hide on one of
the roofs of the warehouses with a camera, you could
snap quite a lot of shots and follow it up
and probably shut down most of the scene.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
And they used to do that with the skids. If
they find out where the skids are and they get
a couple of cops there on either side, and as
people are starting to leave, they check it.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
They've got warrens. They check it. Theyve been drinking.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
If you're a police officer, is that still happening right
now with the skids?

Speaker 6 (21:31):
So to speak?

Speaker 3 (21:31):
I wite undred and eighty ten eighties and number to
call if you want to text through nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
This is a type of text we get a lot
on this show. And I was talking about it yesterday
where they say stop it, stop talking about something.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I like that you should stop talking about something because
it manifests it. Stop it. You guys need to say
your belief. You're making it sound like it's not like
the old days. These are ones who are now ending
up in jail for major crimes burglary, gangs, rape. Your
childish talk is making it more likely to happen.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Wow, Okay, I think I'm passionate, but I don't you know.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
It's an odd idea, the idea that you wouldn't talk
about bad things that are happening society. Stop stop stoping.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Oh wait after it? Eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. We love talking on the show, and we
want to hear from you and chat with you. But
we've got the headlines coming up in full board. So
if you can't get through, keep trying. And if you
want to text nine two niney two.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, And if you just want to text to tell
us to stop talking and about about complicated and confrontational issues,
then fire through nine two nine two. We're here for it.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
Jus talks at the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis, it's
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(23:23):
are down twenty five point six percent on four years ago.
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(23:47):
owed more than three million dollars. You can find out
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Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Thank you very much, Raylean, and we're talking about hone's
boy racers, boyos, bogans.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Matt Tyler, five youths hanging around a milk bar is
one thing. Through social media, you have five hundred people
egging on one hundred lunatics and lethal weapons tearing up
the road. That's from Lionel.

Speaker 6 (24:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, So maybe that is the difference, because really, I
mean the question I'm asking, is it any worse than
it has ever been? Because we've we've always had names
for these these kind of people, whether it was bodgis,
boyos and now it's boy races, gooday lads, boy racers, yobs,
boy racer yobs regardless of the vehicles they drive. I've
been a four wheel drive driver since I first got
my license, but used four wheel drive tracks purely as

(24:31):
a means to access huts and hunting fishing, and looked
after the tracks and the process. Now that a bunch
of the lowered logic dickheads have changed over to lifted
logic jacked up forward by fours with ridiculous large wheels,
the tracks are stuffed and inaccessible to most standard four
by fours because the yobs treat the tracks the same
as they do the roads. Absolute munters, it's another word
for it, munters. Munters is a great name.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Rob.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
How are you.

Speaker 13 (24:56):
You guy?

Speaker 7 (24:57):
Guys, you guys are really really clever or what you
know how to wind people up and get them to
get them on tracks we want them? So I've had
to call in about three ye ago, I think it
was about twenty.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
I it.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
Just just sort of round COVID time. I was just
going back from work and two dirt bikes pulled out
in front of me, this is in Manarawa, and slowed
right down to about twenty k, held all the graph
it up and then they took off and then started
doing their big miner down the road and I videoed
it all and they fell off, and it absolutely just

(25:33):
made my day and it went right around the world.
It had something like eight million views.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
How would I find that video?

Speaker 5 (25:43):
Rob?

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Sorry just to jump in there if I google dirt
bike video South Auckland fell off.

Speaker 7 (25:48):
If you haven't seen it by now, mate, you've been
living under a mushroom, I'll tell you. Maybe made my day.
I don't know, but it's a bit of bad language.
You don't want to play another radio?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, and look, I've got to ask the question, how
did they fall off? What were they doing?

Speaker 6 (26:04):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (26:04):
Just just bad form, yeah, right, pulled the back wheel,
had a bit of a on the road and asked
up to get along the road.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
And so there was the two bikes simultaneously. Two bikes
simultaneous simultaneously fell over.

Speaker 7 (26:18):
Yep, No, they're just one of them. Much now I've
found out since the criminals that they're stolen bykes. This
is what people confused. You said, motorbikes ands to do
silly stuff, but people had respect for the lord. These
guys since COVID, I know you remember before COVID around

(26:40):
South Ookland and maybe out were stalking kids have big
gangs riding around on vmxes and mountain bikes on one wheel.
Remember that, Yeah, remember that it went from there as
soon as COVID happened the whole country.

Speaker 8 (26:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (26:55):
You imagine we're all locked down and everyone was conformed,
you know, to obey and stay home and all this
conforming every all over the place, and then all of
a sudden you see someone that's just like middle Finger,
I'm not conforming. I'm doing absolutely anything that anyone says wrong.
It really sort of grinds people's gears that you're suffering
and they're, you know, having fun. So this is definitely

(27:19):
a different group of of vikies. And there's still a
few hard fort around South Aukland that I see, and
they're doing drug running or things like that because it's
pretty hard, pretty much impossible catch.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
So this is different from boy racers, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (27:34):
Rob.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
We're talking specifically here about these dirt bike racers, and
it sounds like there's a lot of them in South Auckland.
There's a lot of them in Northland and now Rode
a ruer. But that is different from the boy racer
crowd that we.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Used to hear of. A few someone said it through.
We've got the video here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a funny.
I need to watch it. Matt, Matt's watching it and
I can't see it. I need to see it. I'll
watch that in the air break. Sorry sorry Tyler, but Rob,
you're right. It's about fifty people just set the video
and it's very famous video.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Oh god, I'm looking forward to watching that. Is that
the thing Robert music? It's different to the old boy
racing crowd. These are dirt bike races which are different, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (28:15):
Completely different. Like you know, so I grew up in
bo bikes comes and and you know, we were, but
we always had that fear that we get caught, you know,
Like I actually got a speedy take it. One day
I bought a new trail bike and and I took
off and just the power, the funk wheels jumped off
the ground like I mean like probably four hundred mil.

(28:36):
And the local cop nailed me and I got dangerous driving.
Had to go to court with an eighty dollar fine.
Back then, I was only making eighty bucks a week.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, yeah, some good abuse. That's just the way he
grabs his ars after he gets off the pavement. It's
Oh man, it's a great video.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
It's funny, you know, all.

Speaker 7 (28:59):
Of orphaned we're all just in lockdown at the same time,
and everyone was just like me and guys a message
of me, why didn't you run him over? And you know,
there was such massive bloody surgeon. I've got just hundreds
of bloody messages, quite some real nasty ones too. Some
people said they're going to come around and kill my
family and everything.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
That's not good. But there's something about certain videos with
the comic timings so perfect as well. So there's just
a way it holds on until he goes off, and
the way he bounces and jumps back up. It's a
great video. Probe, sorry for laughing through you what you
were talking about. Just pulled the video up.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
You know, you don't mind if we put it on
our Facebook page.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
Drop, No, not at all.

Speaker 14 (29:43):
Everyone's seen it now, so yeah, yeah, you know what.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
They didn't hurt themselves, honestly, they just slid along the road.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
It was a good bounce he made when he first
first you know, fell off. Yeah, anyway, if you rock.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Right, we'llee everyone get their video up on our Facebook page.
To suit for Matt and Tyler afternoons on Facebook. We
might have to see or we just let it ride.
It's a great video.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Officional this Texas is pull yourself together.

Speaker 6 (30:13):
Man.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, that's some professional from you, Tyler. Can't see this video.
You can't just start watching videos and well, someone's on
the line. So good. I waite undred eighty ten eighty
boy racers worse than they've ever been. Seventeen to two, matd.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Heath, Taylor Adams with you is your afternoon rolls on
Mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Fourteen to two. Get a hugo your thoughts on the
current state of boy racers and such?

Speaker 13 (30:46):
Hate me? Yeah, you mean things. But hey, Tyler, I
learned a hard way on one of the ogs.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
You know.

Speaker 13 (30:55):
I started off on a horse. Well, I was nine,
and I was nine, I got a motorbike, you know. Look,
I just yeah, I love cass, love motorbikes. I've been
a part of clubs even since I could be in
one vintage motorcycle vintage car clubs to date. But yeah,

(31:18):
I've noticed even in those clubs, you know, things get
a bit clicky, you know, and and I think, what
the trouble is is with with the scene these days,
is it's getting a bit gangster. All these car clubs
coming in and you know they're not the Auckland Vintage
Car Club or Canterbury Vintage Car Club. They call themselves

(31:43):
Yea or Dada, you know, and I don't know, maybe
they're trying to keep up with the motorbikes. I don't
know what's going on here, but there's these clubs and
it's just ruined the scene. It's just brought this mentality
which it's just not not keeping it real, you know,
irrelevant what they're there for and what we're doing. You know,

(32:09):
back in the day, it was awesome. We used to
get around. I still, yeah, I feel like I still
take my car to shows and that now bikes to
the shows going on. But ye're trying to stay away
from the the scene and the clicking scene about it,
because yeah, this doesn't do much for us anymore. You know,
we used to go around somewhere meet up and you know,

(32:32):
hang out and meet meet people.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
There wasn't a criminal behavior and your heyday, there.

Speaker 13 (32:43):
Was no rump, you know, there was no ruckers. You know,
people were there for that, you know, it's hard to
get in the rumble with someone that you you know,
if you're there for the right cause, because you're both
sharing the same interest. And yeah, but there's people that
turn up nowadays. One of the I don't know, prove
prove it pointed out who's whose car a game? It's tough, right, and.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
You think, do you think it's do you think it
might be an age that those So when you when
you're younger, you misbehave more and then as you get
older you sort of you know, you've got more responsibility
in life and you start to care about the actual vehicles.

Speaker 13 (33:21):
Yeah, but now there's a big difference here in that.
But I guess we all starting the same thing.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
You know.

Speaker 13 (33:31):
We love the sound of the motive, we love the
burnout and loved having fun in the car and the
motorbike whatever. But yeah, nowadays it's different, like it's the
next generation coming through. Have got this gangster mental with
the club's heap of cars, and yeah, they're for other
other reasons.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
You all think if you cook, you go appreciate that. John,
you reckon, there's a difference between dirt bikers and the crimbs.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Yeah, Hi, get mate, am I on yeah, look, I
think there's a risk.

Speaker 6 (34:06):
Amongst a lot of people can fly.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Some kids who've got some stolen bikes and racing down
the street in South Auckland or whatever. And the legitimate
motorcycle racing scene which I've been a part of for
fifty years, and we've got tens of thousands of people
belong to clubs. There's no rumbling in the clubs. How
mean you? We put on serious events. We belong to

(34:32):
a national organization where we belong to an international organization.
We've had every two or three years we'll having.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
His Zeland Champion and one.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Of the disciplines and it's a serious business. We train
just like any other athlete. And the kids that are
riding in South Ugland, from my knowledge, primarily are riding
on stolen bikes. They're stolen, they're off road bikes, they've
got no red dough the hard to trace. The police

(35:03):
sometimes don't make a great effort to try and find them.
I know lots of people who've had bikes stolen and
they are here and that's how it goes. But it's
very easy for people to think that anyone, yeah, right
bike is you know, it's just we're not scumbacks.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Is there any way to get the people that are
misbehaving on these bikes into the kind of thing you're
talking about or is it just totally different. There's nothing
there for them. If you organize something that don't want
to be part of it. They want to be away
on the streets misbehaving exactly.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Because the thing is because we're a discipline, we have competition, licenses,
it's a serious thing. There are standards. The bikes have
to be screwtin there, you have to wear the right
safety gear, all of that. Plus there's rules because they'll
want rules, that's what they They're just no way that
we fit together.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Sorry to jump in there, John, but these aren't gang
members down in christ It's right.

Speaker 15 (36:06):
I know.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
They're just young kids and they got dirt bikes and
some of them electric, but most of them are motorized.
But they go and say the red zone for example,
or Bottle Lake, and people get really upset with that.
I don't because I think these kids have got to
learn how to ride somewhere. As long as they're not
putting anybody in danger. That behavior to me is just
kids being kids.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
Right.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Yeah, Well, I don't know anything about the scene in
christ Hitch.

Speaker 7 (36:28):
I know, I know what it's like in the wake
out of here.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
I know one thing, It is difficult to find places
to ride because essentially there's a lot of provision of
parks and playgrounds and walking tracks and all kinds of stuff.
But traditionally local councils and local authorities don't see riding

(36:52):
a motorbike around them dirt as a legitimate recreation form.
Ye March, So most of our events, for instance, we
run their run in private forestry areas or on private land,
so there's almost no public provision.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
For anywhere to go.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
So I think that it would be good if they're
workplaces once again, But they don't like rules, and they
tend to want to just do their own thing the
way they want to. They don't want to have elmets,
they don't want to all go in the same direction,
and often they don't want to go somewhere away in
the back blocks and do it because there's no one

(37:28):
to see them.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Hey, if people want to do what you do in
the legitimate way, what's a good place for them to start?
Where would they go?

Speaker 9 (37:38):
Well, they have to do that's a hard thing.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
They have to join a club and they have to
and then they've got to buy a bike that's you know,
that's up to standard, and then you've got to start
learning skills because the reality is that the people that
you see riding across the local park, which I see
up the road and it grinds my gears no end,
they wouldn't go one hundred meters in a competition event.

(38:02):
They just be on their ear because they've got the
zero skills.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yep, yeah, we'll think of you.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Call John, got a place a mess but when we
come back, we'll get a few more of your text messages.
And it is seven to.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Two Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons News DOGSB.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
News Dogs B. It is four to two.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Couple of texts to wrap up this topic.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Silver Bullet is a website that has trail rides available
for riders of all skill levels, but again there are
rules that must be followed. Thanks for that text, Darren.
Please don't call the criminals races. They are not the
likes of Scott Dixon and Shane Van Gisberg. And are races.
They are criminals. They didn't buy the bikes because they
don't work. Hey, lads, I hate the term boy races.

(38:49):
I'm a boy and I find it very offensive. I've
seen girls do it and they don't get the bad rap.
I prefer street races for the degenerates. That's from from
Frankie bat. I mean as there are some girls, but
it's mainly boys. Right, yeah, mainly boyras. I beat your
bottom dollar. Those bikes are stolen. There's no way they
bought those bikes legitimately when they are running the risk
of the cops confiscating them.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Good text or there's so many texts coming through.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, hundreds, Right, thank you very much. Everyone who called
and text on that really enjoyed that discussion.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Coming up after two o'clock.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Is it wise to use a real estate agent when
you sell your house? Really keen to hear from you
if you didn't do that, and use.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Next talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor
Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 15 (39:32):
EDB.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
News Talks, D be very good afternoon, cheer. Welcome back
into the program. Seven pass two. So is it essential
to use a real estate agent when selling your property.
According to property data firm Totality, they suggest it probably
is wise to use a real estate agent rather than
going privately. Each year a small number of people opt

(39:54):
to sell their homes privately, but Cotality head of research
n good Or said agents seem to sell properties more
quickly and effectively.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
So have you attempted to sell your house on your own?
How would you go about it? And if you're a
real estate agent, what do you offer that someone can't
do themselves? Can't you just have a shot of the
front of your house up on TikTok with a sons out,
guns out or something. Yeah, sounds easy from the gig go,
But what a lot of fair thing? Could you deal with?
Open homes? Open homes? Yeah, so if you were selling.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yourself, you've got to deal with the open homes and
all these questions and punishing requests from potential buyers.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I've been to some open homes recently that I can't
believe how poorly people present their houses when they're trying
to sell them. Just give it a booby wipe down,
would you?

Speaker 14 (40:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Put some bread in the oven, make it smell nice,
clean the toilet for goodness sake, it's the bit.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Of yeah, so yeah, I would be interested one hundred
and eighteen eighty if you sold your house on your
on your own or are your real estate agent, and
you've got some advice for people to not do that,
I mentionine.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, because you can save a hell of a lot
of money. As we all know, on average it's about
thirty thousand dollars that you would pay to a real
estate agent. Obviously that can can go higher or lower
depending on the price of your property. But love to
hear from you if you went privately, did it work
out or did it turn out to be a whole
lot of faith and a whole lot of time to
try and get the sale across the line and a

(41:21):
real estate agent's listening.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Give us a call the six thirty K to agents
for selling houses only for an eighty eight hundred thousand
dollar house three million dollar house and it's one hundred k.
It's from Nigel. But if you're a real estate agent
increased it from you know, two point nine million to
three million or whatever, then then well with it?

Speaker 5 (41:42):
Right?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah exactly? I mean do you do do real estate
agents get you more money than if you sell it yourself,
and you know they know the market right, They certainly do.
So how do you know if you sell it yourself
that you've got a reasonable price?

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, because otherwise that house is going to stay on
the market for months and months and months potentially.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love to hear from you if you've gone private sale
or if you are in the real estate game. Why
is it important to use real estate agents? Let's get
into it. It is Tim Pas two.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Very good afternoon to you. We're talking about is it
wise to try and sell your property privately? So analysis
by Property Data cotality suggests it's probably wise to use
a real estate agent. The head of research, Nick Goodll
set agents seem to sell properties more quickly and effectively.
I quote the sales success rate is higher for agent sales.
But'd love to hear from you if you've gone private

(42:44):
how did it work out? I wait, undred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Rosie, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (42:50):
Thank you, nice to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Likewise, So you're.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
A real estate agent years I am, and Rosie, yes, no,
good you go.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
Yes, I'm just going to say.

Speaker 16 (43:02):
I've been in the business probably for over thirty years.
So yes, I've been talked to a few people who've
tried to sell private.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
And why do you think that's a bad idea? Rosie?
And obviously you're an estate agent, so you've got skin
in the game, But why do you think it's a
bad idea for us someone to try and sell their
house on their own.

Speaker 16 (43:21):
Firstly, I just just to clarify I never sell my
own properties. I always get another agent to sell mine
because I don't want to be in direct contact with
a buyer because it's kind of hard. It's hard to
sell your own property because people can say all sorts
of things and they may not like it, and they
might tell you why they don't like it, which can

(43:41):
be hard to accept sometimes. So that's the first thing.
And funnily enough, I've just taken on a property where
the owners were trying to sell it privately and they
were pleased to give it to us to sell. They
if you want to know why they felt uncomfortable dealing

(44:04):
with it themselves and what to say to people to
deal with it. They didn't want to do open homes. Yes,
they would have liked to have saved the money, but
they knew that they weren't doing it right.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
So it's not just the marketing of the house, because
I imagine you know, people can have up something on
social media or you go to some sales site and
put up their house. So you don't think that is
the integral part of the operation.

Speaker 17 (44:34):
No, not at all.

Speaker 16 (44:35):
I mean anyone can, yes, take photos, put them on
the site, and you know, do all sorts of things
to try and make it look attractive. But it's like
anything if you don't have experience in that field. It's
like you and I wouldn't get into an airplane and
try and fly the plane because it just wouldn't go well.
So anything that, anything that we do, we need training for.

(44:58):
And we know how to speak to buyers. We know
the right thing to say to get them interested. You know,
we have very very different ways of men that and
people who try and do it themselves they don't understand that.
So they can actually frighten people away because they might
tell them what they want.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
You know, often when we start off.

Speaker 16 (45:22):
With a marketing campaign, most vendors want more than the market.
You know, it's just normal, normal things. So we can
kind of guide them in the right way to do it.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Do you think you so you will get them, generally speaking,
more than they would get for themselves if they were
selling the house someone do it privately? Do you believe
that a real estate agent, And obviously there's there's qualities
of real estate agents. I engine there's some that are
that are useless and some that are brilliant, right, But
but you know yourself personally, do you believe that you

(45:54):
would get the client more than they would be able
to get themselves for the property.

Speaker 16 (46:01):
I personally believe that, of course, and yes, when people
are trying to sell it themselves, they believe the opposite.
I think that we've proven several times that yes, we
can get more. I'm also an auctioneer, and I know
that for a fact that there are times when you know,
I've achieved more for a vendor than we all thought.
And that's the same even if if it's a private treaty,

(46:24):
because we know how to negotiate. And that's the other
thing that's very important because most people aren't negotiators.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
It depends what they do.

Speaker 16 (46:34):
But unless you're in sales, you don't really understand that
side of the business.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Would you generally get more than the commission? You know,
then the commission it's taken.

Speaker 16 (46:44):
For them, Yes, I think so. I mean, you can't
guarantee it, but we certainly would get more people involved
and often might end up with a multi offer. And
that's the market that we have at the moment, which
is slightly better. And if we get more than one offer,
we know what to do with that, whereas a vendor

(47:05):
who's unsure may not.

Speaker 6 (47:07):
Know how to deal with that.

Speaker 17 (47:09):
You know, some people could probably do it perfectly.

Speaker 16 (47:11):
Well, but I know these people that we've just signed
up didn't want any of that. They didn't want to
be actually dealing with it, and they decided after a
couple of weeks it.

Speaker 15 (47:20):
Was just not for them.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, And there's a lot of hours, isn't there involved
as well? So that you talk about the commission, but
there's also the amount of time you'd have to take
away from whatever you do to make a living to
tell your house, and the stress, the stress and such.

Speaker 16 (47:38):
Absolutely, I mean some properties can sell in a couple
of weeks, and some can take months and months. And
that can be hours and hours of open home, lots
of marketing changes, lots of time spent that a lot
of people don't understand. They think it's quite easy, whereas
you know, it's quite a difficult job behind the scene.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
So there's some people you think they could do it,
but they would be you know, they would be outliers.
And most people are going to have a better time
with the real estate agent in your opinion.

Speaker 16 (48:11):
I think so because you're trusting them with your biggest destines.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
You don't want to mark that up.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
You know, you want to make sure you get the
most for it.

Speaker 16 (48:20):
It's like it's like agents who offer cheaper fees, what
are they trying to achieve a quick sale or.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
A better price?

Speaker 16 (48:27):
And that's you know, it's more important to have a
very good agent who knows what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
But I guess the key is, how do you know
that you've got a really good agent? And what advice
would you give, apart from just going straight to you, Rosie,
what advice would you give to guarantee that you're going
to get a really good agent? And not someone that's rubbish.

Speaker 16 (48:48):
Well, that's it's a really good question. Just make sure
you ask for their sales, ask for their market share
of what they sell. You know, how many they've sold recently,
What are their credentials? Get them to show you what
they've been doing so that you can look for yourself,
you know, because some people are way better than others. Right,

(49:08):
Not all agents are the same. The public probably thinks
they are, but they're not.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I'll use you, Rosie. You've sold me, Rosie, I'll be
giving you a call if I need to sell my home.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
Excellent, I'd love to do that.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Til fantastic the jet with you? Oh e one hundred
and eight thanks Rosie. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
She was great.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
That was a That was a great saler on why
you need to use a good real estate agent. But
keen hear from you if you've gone privately. Did it
work out well?

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Was it a nightmare? Really? Keen to hear your thoughts. Yeah,
we've got Gary up next, who sold two houses personally. Yeah,
see what he thinks about it.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Nineteen past two, matd Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on youth Talk ZV
for a good afternoon to you. Have you sold privately
or do you always go real estate agent? I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty, So the number.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
To call Gary, Welcome to the show. That's a problem
with the phones. Good, Thank you. You've sold a couple
of houses personally, Yeah, you probably.

Speaker 8 (50:09):
Over the last twelve years. So seld our own home twice?
Different houses obviously.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, it's a bit corrupt if you sell the same
house twice.

Speaker 8 (50:21):
And no, I mean, I don't know if you've been
to an open home, but for someone else to sit
in your house and say here's the kitchen, here's the lounge, fantastic.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (50:31):
I don't know why I want to pay thirty to
eighty twe hundred grand to have someone else sit in
your house and say here's the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Do you what do you do? Do you mind me
asking what you do for a living? Generally speaking?

Speaker 14 (50:42):
Engineer?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Right, engineer?

Speaker 15 (50:44):
So are you?

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Because Rosie was saying before that there are definitely people
that are good at selling their own house and have
those skills, but there's a lot of other people that
aren't great at the comp you know, you know, I
guess the confrontation, the negotiation, and aren't you know, maybe
great at you know, selling the house and exciting buyers.
But do you think there's something in your personality that

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makes you able to do that where other people might
not be able to No.

Speaker 8 (51:11):
I think we just got some advice. Like when we
first started into the process of doing it ourselves. Well,
I did sell house beforehand using an agent and sold
before it went onto the market, so we paid like
forty fifty grand for that didn't even print the bruches.
So it's just like, why are we spending this much money?

Speaker 14 (51:28):
Top thing?

Speaker 2 (51:29):
And are you sure that you got the best price
for your house?

Speaker 14 (51:32):
The two times and what the agent?

Speaker 8 (51:35):
We've got a pricing from agents prior, and we've got
more than what the agent priced, So I think we
don't bet we don't better than what the agent could.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
The timing would be important as well, Gary, wouldn't it that?
I take it you're in a pretty hot market from
a seller's point of view right now. You've got to
argue it's a pretty muted environment that for a lot
of people that would be you know, the danger there
is if you try and go privately in your house
sits on the market for six months.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
Yes, but I also think that for the agents, they've
got a lot of people that might contact them, and
they might have a a large database of the agents
they group together and then they've got that advantage of
getting more people to the house. On the same on
the same argument, if someone's looking for a house in
the area and they see a house that they like

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the good all the things that they tack all their boxes,
whether it's an agent or a private sale, and the
price is right, they're gonna deal with whoever it is
at the house. They don't care for an agent's doing it.
How as do all the paperwork? What what do the
agents do?

Speaker 2 (52:37):
How many hours do you reckon that you put into
selling your your houses? You know that just taking time
off your job as an.

Speaker 8 (52:45):
Engineer to because because we we did use the company
to print the banners and print all that sort of stuff,
so they're still a cost to that. So they've got
brochs to hand out. We did the property bag things
through the council, so there was we Normally the agents
will get you to pay for that yourself, but we
went into because it's a one off, we can provide
that to each person that comes in instead of them

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having to pay for it. So we did a little
bit extra than what what an agent would do.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Did you know, did you go deadline, Gary, or you
just had a office above a suitin amount?

Speaker 8 (53:18):
Officers above a suitin amount. We did post by negotiation,
which is a little bit of a bit of everything.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
So if you went went for an auction, do you reckon?
You'd go as far enough as far as and I
don't know if you were even allowed to, but Gary
getting out.

Speaker 8 (53:31):
There because I don't I don't have have that school set.

Speaker 7 (53:36):
To do that.

Speaker 8 (53:38):
To come to.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Undred thousand, come once, go to us, come on, get
a little bit more nervous and nervous wreck if it
came to that, well.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I know how nervous I've been on the other side.

Speaker 8 (53:51):
Of We sold the last house we sold. The first
person that came through that they were obviously pretty keen.

Speaker 10 (53:57):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (53:58):
Within three weeks they came back three times. There were
other groups that came through as well, but they ended
up buying the house. So the first person that came
through bought the house.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Were any with an any conditions that you had to
negotiate with because oftentimes someone goes, I want to buy
the house, but I want to have heated tail rails
put in every room and in another bathroom, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 8 (54:19):
There are a lot of questions that people do put
through when we just from the advice that we've got
given because this is basically something for the what the
agents we.

Speaker 14 (54:28):
Would be doing as well.

Speaker 8 (54:29):
It's just make sure you get a builder's report who
makes you do your your own work in the background
to make sure everything's everything's ticked off that you needed.
It's not something that we would go into with with
the people that came to the house.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah. Oh, you sound like a very capable person, Gary,
I'm not. I'm not convinced that I would have.

Speaker 8 (54:50):
What just me what it was the wife, the paperwork
in the background.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
It sounds it sounds like your wife is a very
capable person and you've rung up state credit for successful sales.

Speaker 14 (55:02):
It was all it was all.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
It was all Gary, according to you. But if we
talk to your wife, you'd like, Gary didn't do anything.

Speaker 8 (55:07):
I just talked to the people in the garage when
they came through with the beer.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
You're the brain brainer, Garry spoken like a true engineer.
Gary with the openhem was on, Hey, thank you so
much for you call Gary.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Yeah, great call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
So we've had two sides of the coin there. We've
had Rosy saying that the real estate agent is absolutely
imperative for most people. And you've got Gary, and Gary
was the type person she was talking about that has
the skills.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
To do it.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, or his wife. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. If you've sold privately, love
to hear from you. And if you're a real estate agent,
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Speaker 3 (57:00):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we've been inundated with
phones antiques on this discussion. Selling privately or going with
a real estate agent if you've sold private leader love
to hear from me.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
On oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty This Texas says,
I've been a real estate agent for thirty years. I'd
never sell myself. Family have and they'll never know if
they could have got more, as no one can price.
You'll never pay as much in fees as you could
lose by not negotiating well or auctioning. Yeah, this person
says sold two houses privately, just put a ten dollar
ever in local paper. That was it sold straight away?

(57:33):
I wonder if that was at the peak of the
market though.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Yeah, timings, everything isn't it when it ends to the
housing market.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
And the advertising isn't the only only thing. Yeah, there
is the negotiation.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
There is you know, countless open homes.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah. Anyway, Ethan, welcome to the show. You're thinking about selling, Hey.

Speaker 18 (57:51):
How's it going go? Yeah, thinking about selling. We've sold
sort of two houses through an agent in the past,
and you know, each time sort of twenty twenty five
thousand bucks comes out. But my question it's kind of
already been answered. I guess in a way, was just
kind of like, you know, if we if I went
to sell sou the house myself might save twenty you

(58:13):
know or whatever, twenty five thousand bucks. But then does
that sort of get canceled out by the fact that
an agent might sell it for say fifty thousand more.
You know, as an example, more than I could. So
does that sort of yeah, well they put that out.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
The agent is incentivized because of the percentage they're taking
to get as much as they possibly can for the house,
aren't they. That's right, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 14 (58:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
And also you know how much time have you got
to take off work?

Speaker 14 (58:43):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (58:43):
That's the other side of it as well.

Speaker 18 (58:45):
And I guess as well, they've I mean, they've got
the platform and the contacts and stuff that I may
not have. You know, me obviously got more more of
a reach than I might have.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Were you happy with both your sales? Were you happy
with the agent and you felt like everything went well
or was there some resentment some problems?

Speaker 19 (59:03):
No, somewhat.

Speaker 18 (59:04):
No, we had a really really good agent, you know,
it's she sort of sold it a little bit, a
little bit under what she initially told.

Speaker 8 (59:12):
Us she thought we would get for it.

Speaker 14 (59:15):
But yeah, we're pretty pretty happy with her.

Speaker 8 (59:18):
She was really good.

Speaker 6 (59:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
I mean the thing that, you know, I'd say straight
up that I think I'd always use a real estate
agent because I couldn't be bothered with the FAF and
having to deal with the negotiation. But according to this
company cotality. This was in the peak of the market,
but in twenty twenty one, the median days on market
for agent sales was twenty four days, while it was
forty for private sales. And that would make me a

(59:40):
bit nervous because there's a cost involved in that. If
your house is sitting on the market for almost double
the time, then that's going to cost you.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Wasn't it.

Speaker 14 (59:49):
Yeah that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Oh well, what do you reckon, ethan, how are you
feeling you're going to sell it yourself? You're going to
give it a go, you give it a flick.

Speaker 15 (59:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 18 (59:56):
Like the other thing is this sort of maybe adds
another layer to it. You know, you got things like
AI and stuff now that you can use to sort
of come up with a nice, sort of snazzy description
for your house and sort of and walk you through
the steps and all the things. I'm a little bit
younger probably the most listeners, but there's so much that
you can sort of use things like AI for to

(01:00:17):
sort of help help you through the process of you know,
selling selling privately.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yeah, you know there's and I don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:00:25):
If that's something you anyone's going to talk about today.
But yeah, it's definitely something I've thought about. Yeah, I
use AI quite a bit and my work and also yeah,
just the time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I think figure out what to do with Ethan, I
think our bosses might come in and taser us because
Tyler and I have talked so much about AI and
the show because we find it infinitely interesting, love it.
But if we start going to AI will get tasered
by the boss. Think if you call Ethan. It's interesting
point that's come through. If you're buying privately, you need

(01:00:57):
to be aware that private sellers don't have to disclose issues, leaks,
et cetera, whereas agents must disclose under the area obligations.
I would never buy privately, says this text A worry.
So if you're just selling your house, so if you've
got if you're selling a leaker, then you definitely want
to sell privately. Yeah, because in a real estate agent,
I have to tell people that it's a leaker.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Yeah, hoping for a monk to come along and not
ask questions. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you sold privately, Love to
have a chat with you. And if you're a real
estate agent. Why should people use someone in your profession
to sell your home? It is twenty five to three.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons used.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Talksa'd be very good afternoon. Tuett's twenty two to three.
Should you sell your home privately or go with the
real estate agent?

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
The Texas says real estate agents there incentivized to sell
the house as fast as possible. They would rather sell
it in the first seven days for fifty thousand dollars
commission rather than have it for sixty days on the
market to earn fifty two thousand dollars commission. I mean,
how long do you want to on the market? Yeah,
another question as well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Yeah, exactly. I would have thought faster is quite often
better for the homeowner. But love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Josh, you're a real estate agent, I am. I imagine
that your opinion is that real estate agent are the
way to go over private sales.

Speaker 19 (01:02:16):
Well, there's always two sides of the story. But we're
in a really really state market at the moment. It's
a buier's market. There's an all a lot of people
bailing from their properties due to the fact that my
interest rates have really hurt them. There's a lot of
people out there at the moment they don't have any
equity in their property. It's tragic and it's sad, and

(01:02:38):
quite frankly, I came into this industry because I wanted
to make a difference to those vendors and actually marry
up the buyer and the seller. And if the bio
thinks they're paying a tad too much and the vendor
thinks they're paying and they're not getting quite enough, you
can guarantee that price is about right. But you know, legally,

(01:03:00):
you've got this thing called AML.

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
Do you boys know anything about that AML?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yes, not familiar.

Speaker 19 (01:03:06):
Now, okay, it's called anti money laundry. So if you
were selling privately, you would have to either go through
a lawyer and actually get registered and passed for anti
money laundry and may check your passport or your writer's
license and check to see that you are who you are.

(01:03:28):
So you've got to pay for that outside of a company.
Our company pays for that. So it's all the cautionary
stuff post COVID. Look, five years ago, real estate was
a wonderful industry to be in because we had bars
and sellers. But now with so much competition on out there,

(01:03:48):
it's really important to cut through the noise. Your property.
If you want bock dollar has to be presented right.
And the three ps that I will always fill my
vendors is price, presentation, and position. Now there's the leaver
you can't pull, which is positioned, but the other two
leavers are priced and presentation. Now, if a buyer comes

(01:04:11):
through five open homes on Saturday, what impression is he
going to have? As these people who have been on
it's been really interesting listening to their opinion. It's tying
to stand their property themselves have prepared their property to
stand out from the crout. And if you want top dollar,
you're going to have to spend a bit to make

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a lot. And I run a support back into my
business model and I've got painters, some of builders, and
if somebody wants to go on the market and have
that property market ready, I can turn that round in
fourteen working days. And I am pretty jolly sure that
I can get a queenium sight in this really competitive market.

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And having the feedback is really important. To keep in
touch with those buyers and ask questions, what did you
think of this property, how does it fit with other
properties that you've been to over the weekend. Where do
you see it with the other properties that you saw
post wise? So you're getting sold from these people that

(01:05:17):
are really wanting to find a new homes. So those
are just some of the things that a good real
estate agent should be asking their buyers. But also what's
your vendor's hat on your head? You want to know
what's out height you've got. You want to know whether
it's good installation top and bottom. You want to know

(01:05:38):
what the piles are doing. You want to know how
the gutter's been cleaned out. So these are all the
things that I would ask prior to the property even
hitting the market. So when it's ready to go, I
know all this information. I can pass it on to
my buyer and be informative, so when they leave that property,
they've got this fabulous understanding that that house is ready

(01:06:00):
to go. You've gought to disclose if you're on a
floodplane that you have to actually in the documentation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
If you're doing a private sale, you wouldn't. So from
a biased perspective, as we've got a text before from
a from a buyers perspective of someone selling it privately.
There's stuff they don't have to disclose because they haven't.
They don't they're not under the RAA.

Speaker 19 (01:06:22):
But the thing is they could be sued later on.
But also the banks are just not happy to lend
to money to first time buyers.

Speaker 20 (01:06:33):
Particularly.

Speaker 19 (01:06:33):
They're particularly hard at the moment. If there's the lim
report shows that they're sitting on a floodplain, right, you know,
you've just got to be hope air for today because
you can't get insured. And I've had a number of
buyers for because the banks won't sort of lend on
the issues of a waterplane or uncontented work. Is the

(01:06:57):
other big one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
There's two. There's two texts that's come through here. One
says she's a classic agent full of bs and the
other one says, get her agency and name. She's good.

Speaker 19 (01:07:08):
So that's exactly what I said about being a real
estate agents. Why did I come in the business?

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
So do you go?

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
So you've got you you've got price presentation and position?
Is that right? Price presentation position? So that replaces location
location location unless your price presentation position position.

Speaker 19 (01:07:28):
Position ha ha, Yeah, well, it's whatever you want to
interepretcause at the end of the day, when you go
to the dentist, do you want a competent dentist or
you just want some of that thinks they'd like to
be a dentist to make some money.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Yep, very true. Yeah, there's not a lot of people.
I'm not going to a back just a private dentist
and mate that says he's up to it. I don't know.
Applies are pretty cheap.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Eight ten eighty. Oh just quickly, Joe, just one more
question for your open homes. Are you one of the
agents that that does something a little bit you know,
different and a bit special. Do you do the home
baking or had some popcorn for people coming through?

Speaker 19 (01:08:06):
Well, my last listening which solved before option. All my
listenings are with my partner, so either ten days after
or before option. And this is in a very busy
space in property. Miss things at the moment. But she baked,
she actually did the cinnamon rolls and I handed them
out Lail got them up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Smart good strategy. Yeah right.

Speaker 19 (01:08:31):
You know, at the end of the day, it's all
about your passion for that vendor they're paying you and
you've got to get the very best results that you
can for them. But that's called passion, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yeah, where you go where you've got passion? Yeah, she's
a great agent gain. Yeah. Are you convinced by that?
Or you people that are about to sell your house
privately convinced by that? Or or or have you been
successful selling your house privately? In the house and the past.
We'll love to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Richard is standing by? I think he sold
his home privately?

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
Is that right?

Speaker 15 (01:09:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:09:04):
I did?

Speaker 14 (01:09:05):
Hey, fellows, mate, And how how did you go?

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Was it more problems than you expected? Or it went
relatively smoothly?

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:09:14):
Mate, it like you wouldn't believe it went so well.

Speaker 21 (01:09:16):
But what had happened is over the years we've we've
bought and sold six properties and all through agents except
for this instance. And it was on a Thursday when
I asked one of the agents to come over and
give us a quote for this house. So she was
due to come over and had to cancel the appointment
until Monday. And so I kind of thought, because we've

(01:09:38):
used the same real estate agent for all of our properties,
and I kind of.

Speaker 14 (01:09:43):
Thought, well, why don't I had a look jumped on
to trade me.

Speaker 21 (01:09:45):
I had look at some of the properties and then
I thought, well, I'll maybe i'll listed, maybe I'll see
what happened through this, and I'll catch up with her
on Monday. So I did that on a Friday morning,
had it listed, and by Friday afternoon I had an
appointment for a viewing to come and have a.

Speaker 14 (01:10:03):
Look at it. So I kind of thought, okay, yeah,
let's get this thing happening. The woman came down from Auckland,
had a look, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Wow wow?

Speaker 7 (01:10:13):
And was that?

Speaker 5 (01:10:15):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
When was this? Was this at the sort of the
height of the market situation?

Speaker 21 (01:10:20):
This was definitely a couple of years ago before their
money lawn drinking. Because they could do it myself, I'd
never done it before, ever done it before. So when
she was keen to sign up for this property, and
I thought, ship, what do I do?

Speaker 10 (01:10:34):
So I had to, yeah, what do I do?

Speaker 7 (01:10:36):
Because I had to go to.

Speaker 14 (01:10:37):
The stationers and get a Salem Pictus agreement.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Yeah, I mean, heads off to you, Richard, And as
you say, you're a bit of a deer in the
headlights when you had someone knock on your door and said, yep,
I'll take it done, deal and show what do I
do now? But that sounds like it was a prime
time in the market. Would you say that in today's
market that is muted? It would be a hard harder ask.

Speaker 21 (01:11:01):
Well, we're looking at we're contemplating selling another property of
ours and thinking, okay, so whichaven you should we do.
I've listened to a couple of the real estate agents
on here and exactly that's exactly right. If you're looking
for a professional to provide a particular service, then you
would go to them. And that's what we did because
we just had enough faith in them that they knew

(01:11:24):
what they were doing. Their network of people or buyers
was a lot bigger. This was just an instance where
an appointment wasn't happening. Funny thing, the real estate agent
rings up on the Monday and I said to her,
do you want the good news or the bad news?
And she said, to be you sold it, haven't? I said, yeah, mate,
we did.

Speaker 14 (01:11:42):
We sold.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Are you confident Richard that you got the best price
because it was the first time?

Speaker 21 (01:11:48):
Yeah, Look, we did our due diligence with the sales
in the area. We certainly not new to real estate,
so definitely the due diligence and everything. I hear about
some stories about people selling houses that may have some
problems with them.

Speaker 14 (01:12:02):
I would never do that. My conscience wouldn't let me.
Just just no way. And when she said, okay, take it.

Speaker 21 (01:12:08):
I thought, well, do you not want to get a
builder's reports first?

Speaker 9 (01:12:13):
Come through it?

Speaker 21 (01:12:14):
She said no, And I think it was the type
of buyer was such that she was done with looking around.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Yeah, yeah, right, it's just a Texas come through Richard.
It says, well, imagine if a few more people viewed
it and there was competition, you could have got a
lot more for it.

Speaker 21 (01:12:30):
Oh hey, look, we were, like I said, we're not
We're familiar with buying and selling houses, so we're we're
happy with what we put the praise down, and we
thought it was a wee bit ambitious.

Speaker 14 (01:12:41):
Yeah, so we're very happy with our sales.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
So it wasn't your first rudio. Yeah, yeah, love it.
Yeah all right, Hey, thank you so much for your call, Richard,
appreciate it. Someone's saying here that all New Zealand consumers
guarantees at covers any house issues. We'll look into that.
So if you're a private seller and you're trying to
hide the fact that you're selling a leak or it's
on a flood floodplane, then there would likely be I imagine,

(01:13:10):
I mean, I don't know, I'm just speculating here. I
would hope that there's some legal recourse for the for
the buyer if they buy a house and you didn't
tell them it was a leaker and you knew.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Well, I've just had a we look and we'll do
some more digging into this. But in general, the Consumer
Guarantees Act does not generally are generally apply to private
sales of homes or other private goods. It's like buying
a car off trade me. It's buyer beware. So it
does make a lot of sense that if you're privately selling,
even something as expensive as a house, it's a similar
deal to selling a second hand car. Right whoever checks

(01:13:39):
it out, it's got to make sure that it's a okay,
You're happy with the price they came. I'm taking a
bit of a risk here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Yeah, Whereas you know that if you're least you know
with the real estate agent that they have to be
registered with the area.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Yeah, exactly, it is ten minutes to three. Will take
a few more calls.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Next the issues that affect you, and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Be seven to three, some really good tech, some phone calls.
RUMs whether it's wise to sell privately or go with
a in real estate agent.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
The success Most people get a good outcome from agents,
but the cost commission in March marketing is huge compared
with the UK, where it is about two percent all inclusive.
I sold my last house, looked at what house went
for in my area, put a hand painted sign on
the fence and made a handout which said four beds,
one living room, one dining room, one bathroom, four hundred
and thirty thousand dollars as is. We're as feel free

(01:14:35):
to get a bull report. But the price is what
it is. I mean, you assume it's were is Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's definitely going to be wearers. Yeah, that's a given.
That's a given. We're not going to deliver this house
to you. It's a bold move though, just a handpainted side.
I don't know if assault to the third person that
came through. Okay, as is, where as feel free to

(01:14:56):
get a bull report, but the price is what it is.
Good on you. I like that, Ben, welcome to the
show here. You're going good, says mate.

Speaker 6 (01:15:06):
Okay, so the stuff to record.

Speaker 13 (01:15:08):
I am.

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
My name's Ben Kean. On the former licensed real estate
sales present by own a private sale company or fizz
Total NZ. We're effectively a startup. We bridgally gat between
a normal private sale and what a real estate agent does,
leveraging technology. Effectively our service. We do the marketing and

(01:15:31):
the open homes for buyers sort of disella story, and
then at the point of interestment, buyers can express their
interest directly to the seller through our hat, which behaves
like a tradeing auction. Okay if the property. If there's
multiple interests for a property, the system will deal with
multiple bids, and bids can include conditions, So if you

(01:15:55):
had one party who is subject to a builder's report
or a lin report, they can be in the same
part with the person who is maybe kes unconditional. Now
the dollar valuable bids is in the app and buyers
can each other on the seller's approval.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Are you are you reading this off your.

Speaker 6 (01:16:18):
I'm just giving you some I'm giving you some background,
just so you know what's available in the market. I mean,
I know you guys are sponsored by agents, and that's
all good. Now. I'm not knocking agents because I used
to be one myself. There are people that can afford
there are people that can afford to pay who are
happy to pay for agents, and there are people who
aren't happy to pay for agents. And we're bridging that

(01:16:40):
gap in the middle. Now. The other thing I will
say to point out as well is that we would
always recommend that buyers do their own diligence under contract
and they get their own report, the only them report
in their own US to evaluation if they need it,
so they can rely upon their information. It's very all

(01:17:04):
agents are in buyers buyers especially. We're trying to sellers
trying to protect themselves, but they're also trying to protect
the buyer.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Yeah, we've only got and I'm going to say, we're
not sponsored by real estate agents. But and fair enough, like,
there's obviously a gap in the market there for your business.
But when it comes to negotiation with the potential buyers,
I imagine that's not something a service that you provide
with that business. But fair enough to hate Ben.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Thanks.

Speaker 6 (01:17:33):
You can't negotiate for buyers, but you've also got to
remember that a lot of that stuff can be automated,
and you know with AI coming out, there's messive risk
to the incumbent industry.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Yeah, well I think if you call Ben so we've
got to go to the news. Yep, and all the
best with that business. Thank you very much to everyone
who called and text on that one. Fantastic discussion coming
up after three o'clock. Beer bottoms.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Your new home are in safeful and entertaining talk. It's
Mandy and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk sevy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Seven past three. Welcome back into the show. Fantastic they
have your company as always, thanks for joining us. Let's
have a chat about beer bottoms. You may have seen
this advert that's been doing the rounds on TV where
a beer bummed skier has clinched a new price. After
emerging as the most complained about ad this year, so
the ASA received forty eight complaints about the advert in question,

(01:18:31):
focusing on the image of a man's beer bum. Complainers
said the bum was clearly visible, it was was indecent, offensive,
and inappropriate for young viewers. But the ASA did not
uphold any of those complaints. They said, well, the new
nudity in the ad was designed to make you look
it was not sexualized or likely to cause harm to
a general audience.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Wasn't sexualized. He sort of bends it, sort of a
rakish kind of angle does when he's in the air
the scare. It's an interesting question because this would definitely
been a problem ten years ago. Yep, you wouldn't have
seen a beer bum selling a product, a gambling product

(01:19:11):
ten years ago, would you? No, I mean, would you?
I don't think so. I mean there was a lot
of controversy about certain ads over the years, the Bugger
ad for example. Of course some controversy back then. But
there's this concept called the Overton window. You might have
heard of it as a model for understanding how ideas
move over time. So our ideas start off as unthinkable

(01:19:32):
that were in the time would be absolutely unthinkable that
someone would be bearing their buttocks on an ad on
terrestrial television, and every single ad break. Then it becomes
sort of radical. Then it becomes this is according to
the Overton window model of things, becomes successible, sensible, popular,
then policy, So then it is just fine for someone

(01:19:52):
to have their bum out and no one's even complaining
about it on ads? So you happy for the Overton
window of to move to the point now where whilst
there was forty two complaints, the Advertising Standards Authority goes nah,
is sweet as to have your buttocks out to sell
a product?

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Nothing see here? So we can expect maybe a few
more adverts to be written up with beerm bums.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Yeah, and are you worried where it goes from now?
So if the Overton window has moved such that it
is acceptable for someone to have their bottom out on
an ad, how long until we turn the camera around
on that scared Yeah, it's going to happen. How long
until it's the full full tackle selling selling your gambling product?

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Fifteen years, twenty years, It's going to happen at some stage.

Speaker 22 (01:20:39):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
And and is that how it's going to go? Can
you see a new level of conservatives starting and then
because the Overton window can close again, rights things become
unacceptable again? You knows. There's definitely words that were fine
that then become unfine according to you know, according to
you know society as a whole.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Yeah, I mean when I'd never heard of the Overton
window and love that model, but when you spoke talked
of it, I remember that George Carlin seven dirty words,
and six of those words we still cannot say on
the show, but one we can because I think it
started to go through that Overton window model, and that
word is shit. That is now more okay to say,

(01:21:19):
study it still raises a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
How do you feel? And look, we've got to say
on news Talk ZIDB, it was my costing that opened
the Overton window on shit. Yep, and thank God for it.
He says it every second word now is a real
potty mouth in the morning. Yeah, he puts a ball
in front of it. But there'll be people that don't
think you should be saying that. Even I was a

(01:21:41):
little bit shocked, and right now I'm I'm penning a
pretty angry email to a boss about you dropping that word.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
It's still in the radical phase, but there'd be definitely
a time when that would have been unthinkable on.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
News Talk ZIDB that someone would use the SHI word,
absolutely absolutely unthinkable. Does that mean that the the the
F words not far off? On my costing breakfast on
news talks 'B.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
We're all waiting for that morning. Eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Do you think the ASA A you got it right
in this instance? Do your mind a beer buttocks on
your TV screens and the Overton window scenario. Do you
think we've gone too far and we need to roll
it back a little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
This Texas says buttocks yes, boobies yes, junk, no good sise.
So according to that text, that's where the that's where
the Overton windows sits for them. That's the line. Oh
at one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is a liver pass through.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Very good afternoon. So we're talking about the add many
people have seen and quite a few have complained about.
It's an ad featuring a beer bottom skier, and forty
eight people have complained about that add to the ASA,
the most complained about in twenty twenty five. But the
ASA said, nothing to see here, nothing wrong with a
beer bum Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
And we know it's the lotto ad. We haven't forgotten that,
but we just thought we don't necessarily need to give
them five hours of like fifty minutes of free advertising. Yeah,
they're not paying us anything. That's why I said, it's
the beer bottom gambling ad. So we don't we all know,
we talk about it, this bunge of text saying it's
a lot of where do idiots? Yeah, we know, Yeah,
we got it, we see it.

Speaker 15 (01:23:16):
We know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
So you were talking about the Overton windows. So the
Overton window has opened to the point that beer bottoms
on TV are fine according to the Advertising Standards Authority.
So what an interesting time we live in Beth. Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 15 (01:23:29):
Hello lads. I would like to remind you of the
Coppertone ad featuring Jody Foster with the dog pulling down
the back of your dogs. In the sixties. We had
beer bottom ads all through the sixties.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
That was a little baby, though, wasn't it. Yeah, a
baby Jody.

Speaker 14 (01:23:48):
Foster, Yes, yeah, but still a beer bum.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Yeah, still a beer bum. But I think And when
I was a kid, everyone was nude. That was under
five running around the streets out in front of my
house anyway, because yeah, but you also.

Speaker 15 (01:24:04):
Had munty prisons flying circus.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Very true at nine.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
That's a very good point. I often think about this Beth,
how intensely shocking Monty Python's Flying Circus was in the
sixth season. They think it was. I've listened. I've listened
to to John Cleves talking about it. A lot of
these guys that were in charge of the BBC back
then we had come out of the war and were
basically drunk the whole time dealing with what they were

(01:24:31):
going through, and so he had these sort of upper
class drunks just going you went to did you go
to good Cambridge boys? That's fine, put it on. But yeah,
you're so right that I think I feel like the
Overton windows shut a bit after Monty Python for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Yes, so Beth for you, yeah, sr you go. Yeah,
So you don't nothing wrong with a with a bit
of chiky bum on an ad.

Speaker 15 (01:24:57):
No, I've always stood it stupid that Americans blue.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yeah, that is odd, But is that the limit for you? Bet?
Whats of the camera turned around and we had the
front of the skier flying towards us in the nude?
Would you would that be all right?

Speaker 7 (01:25:16):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:25:16):
That it might be confront There's nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Very it's pretty cold much. You're not going to sell
a lot of I mean Overton window or not. That's
not going to sell anything.

Speaker 15 (01:25:30):
It's why women like the lights out at night.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Thank you so much for your corp. It's you're great.
That is true. Yeah, absolutely, that's I don't know what
that's going to sell.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Ever, some great teaks coming through on nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
We'll go to fill first and then some of your
text toiler. Yep, Phil a good.

Speaker 23 (01:25:50):
Boys, you very good, thank you, excellent, excellent.

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
Look.

Speaker 23 (01:25:56):
Oh, I think it's just a bit of fun. I
actually love it, and I actually think that's the best
part of the ad when he jumps up and they
show the beer the beer bum and right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Round a bit more of a tan though, couldn't he
feel it's pretty pale?

Speaker 23 (01:26:14):
Yeah, it's a bit yeah pasty white old boysne you
could be a bit more European, nice bronze look like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
I mean, viewers of One Day Cricket in the eighties
saw quite a few beer bums with the streaking Yeah
didn't didn't, didn't what.

Speaker 23 (01:26:30):
Yet they'd right, you know, and then the cricket bat
across the.

Speaker 6 (01:26:35):
But he did, he did.

Speaker 23 (01:26:38):
But that was the other thing I was going to say, too,
is I think the music's fantastic as well, it's just
perfect for that shot. But I think I think this
goes back to to a bit of the old colonial
colonialism English upbringing of an influence of our country. We're
very what do they say, what's the word brutish? You know,

(01:26:58):
and yeah, puritanical and that all.

Speaker 7 (01:27:01):
No, no, no, cub yourself up.

Speaker 23 (01:27:03):
A bit of student show in there.

Speaker 6 (01:27:04):
No, that's not good.

Speaker 23 (01:27:05):
Whereas you look at Europe and you know, you it's
much more relaxed than free about I suppose nakedness will say,
you know, and it's sort of you're not taught to
be ashamed of it, you know, and field or goat
look or cover your eyes sort of thing. So it's
much more natural, you know. I thought it's just a

(01:27:25):
natural part, you know. So when it's done, and I
think that as done quite tastefully, like you say, probably
the just the shot of the beer bombers as okay,
like it went all.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Yeah, yeah, thank you that. Yeah, we went full frontal,
as we were saying before, Phill, sorry, a little bit
of problem with our phones there. Yeah. I mean this
guy says, hey, guys, the pack and say this is
Michelle it. She says, hey, the pack and save stick
man is getting more risque recently. Have a close look
at his anatomy in the recent TV ad Cheers. Is
that right? I haven't seen that, ed I mean, does
it matter if it's a cartoon though?

Speaker 15 (01:28:00):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
It depends on what the stick in sect. The stick
Man hasn't got his business out, has he? Surely not?

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Derek, how are you while we find out what's going
on with the stick Man?

Speaker 8 (01:28:13):
Well?

Speaker 20 (01:28:13):
The stick Man, well he was advertising bananas and you
had the banana in his hand and I was like, wow,
that's that's what that's was about. If you want to
listen to anything really inappropriate, go and go on YouTube
and check out an old inappropriate things at Rainbow the
English program. What they were getting away was back in
the seventies and the eighties. Shocking, it'll absolutely shock you.

Speaker 24 (01:28:37):
I don't really care about Yeah, no, no, your house
tonight will bungo all night long and stuff like this
will be bad anyway. The bum thing doesn't worry me.
There is one effor that really I just want. Can
someone clarify you know the TV the one New Zealand
or that Edward where the guy's got at Scotland and

(01:28:57):
he's met his mother and you know, his biological mother.
And then there's an old fellow sitting there, and all
of a sudden he goes, he goes, Oh, the young
fellow goes, maybe we can meet dad one day, we
can find him. And the old guy's.

Speaker 6 (01:29:10):
I have no idea what he's saying. Does he know
what he's saying?

Speaker 13 (01:29:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
I know the age you're talking about. It's so long
and so punishing. You have you seen it is going?
It looks like it drives me crazy. How slowly they
moved that story forward. And then they did a bunch
of other ads where they weren't moving the story forward.
So you like, finally I find out what happens, and
they're not moving it forward. Have they run out of money?
Have they gone bankrupt or something?

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Because they're trying to be the new anchor family, isn't it?
But there's no advancement, just there's no advancement.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
And now I don't care. I'm out. I don't want to.
I don't want to know anything about this guy's family.
I don't I don't care. You took to goddamn long
and you overplayed the first ad. It's like if you
just watched the first three minutes of shortened street four
hundred times in a row and never got further along.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Yeah, he said, I can't top there. You've said it
at all. I agree wholeheardly.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
It drives me freaking crazy. One good work with the Warriors,
but need episode three. Come on now, I'm out. I
don't care. I don't care anymore. But you know that
the bad news about that rain footage and you look
it up online, people will remember that you were do
you know this show Rainbow?

Speaker 6 (01:30:13):
No, No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Well the whole world with the Rainbow. We're not ringing
any bells, Jeremy bungle Zippi. Well, anyway, there was this
footage that came out of them saying some really really
dodgy stuff, right, yeah, very amusing, and I was for years.
I thought that's brilliant. But then I found out and

(01:30:35):
this is very devastating. That was what they shot that
but for a Christmas party, so it was a kids
show and then they thought they all got steamed and
thought it was funny to get very sexually explicit work
with Rainbow. So disappointing. Oh just look at it out.
It's a kids show with puppets. That's amazing. Yeah, two goods,
genuinely one hundred Bungle Zippi Zippy from Rainbow. We're gonna

(01:31:01):
have to find that theme so I know all the voices.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
This is News Talk ZMBO. Eight hundred eighty to eighty
is the number to called. Twenty two past three. Plenty
of calls to get to. If you can't get through,
keep trying. But anything wrong with a cheeky bum and
a TV advert love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Oh goodness. Yeah, the peck and Saves Banana peck and
Saves stick Man's Banana is risque, dirty old stick Man.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons Call eighty eight on
News Talk zb It is twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
And this doesn't mean anything to you, Tyler, You're not
ringing about But.

Speaker 8 (01:31:42):
I like it.

Speaker 9 (01:31:43):
Everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
I'm going to see it smiling. Remember awesome great theme
shows back in the day.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
I'm just reading, not about the Twangers episode. Yeah, and
I love it. It's very risque. Yeah, that would have
created some nightmares for kids.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Asked some questions. You know the actor Matt Berry yep,
fantastic actor from What We Do in the Shadows, the
TV show and a bunch of other stuff. He's fantastic.
He released he's an incredible musician as well, and he's
released an album of British TV show theme tunes.

Speaker 6 (01:32:22):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
I just received it on vinyl the other day. It's
so good. It's got the rainbow theme on it. He's
got a great voice. Matt Berry.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number of
call we are talking about the naked bum air that's
got a raft of complaints. Jilly, how are you good?

Speaker 22 (01:32:37):
Thank you very much. Guys listen, I think it's a
wonderful advert. Look at the that thrill that lady god
with the hat, I'd call it ethel Ward say, but
she's that's made her day pretty even a year.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
She's seen the front side of it, has she.

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:32:58):
Who cares? She should have fit at her age? I
would have by now, I would have thought.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:33:06):
And also the smirk on that other handsome young lad there, Yeah,
and he was a joy it too.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
So in your in your lifetime, did you ever think
we'd reach a point in New Zealand advertising where there'd
be beer bums?

Speaker 22 (01:33:20):
Well, I'll tell you what. If you look at some
of the Mary Hackers, I think they look a lot
more disgusting than that flicker around there in the snow.
And let's hope it snows lots lots more.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
All right, more naked bums in the snow, but not
naked bums in the harker. No, you don't get a
naked you don't. I mean, that's that's the thing, isn't it?
When is it? Because say, if there's how would you say?
It only takes one piece of material between the cheeks

(01:33:56):
for it to no longer be a naked bum, which
I've always thought is an interesting thing, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Yeah, So if you blue is one of the other
callers mentioned, just the wee, yeah, the wee middle part?
Can I say crack on the radio? It's most understed.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
You can't say crap on the radio.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
So if you just blur that little bit in the middle,
then it's a okay. But if you if you see
that middle part, then apparently it starts to get a
bit inappropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Oh, people are pointing out I've got it right, So
of course it is. It's it's probably because I worked
with Jeremy Well so long and he reminds me of
Jeffrey from Rainbow By.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
It's definitely definitely zippy, very good at that zippy. I
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call this. So many texts coming through. We'll get to
a few of those shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Tim you're not a fan.

Speaker 8 (01:34:41):
Well, it just seemed a bit easy at first, Like
it's you know, shock job value, isn't it. I guess
having said that, you're getting a lot of promotion out
of it. Ah, so there's that. I mean, it's not
really doesn't bother me that much. I an'tually have a TV,
but I've seen it somewhere else. But I'm slippery slow,

(01:35:05):
doesn't it. I mean like you're saying fifteen years the
track from now, you know, you might get the return
of wing computers, and then you go it's all on.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Yeah, I mean, where do you go from that point?
I suppose it's a lovely turn of phrasing.

Speaker 8 (01:35:21):
Yeah, well, you know, I don't know whether it's on
the list or not, but it'll probably gets put on
there now.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 8 (01:35:29):
You know it's a legitimate business thing. There were how
on here waning Asian food market. I don't own it
or anything, but so it's out there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, I mean if if if it's
your name, it's your name, that's very different.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
I knew exactly what they were doing with this, didn't
they They did that. It was it was it was
riscuee and and I guarantee they were. They were not
at all concerned with the number of complaints forty two.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
No, would they would be in their hands together.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
They would have been devastated if there hadn't been complaints
about their Yeah, that is job well done from their
point of view. Yeah, from from whoever their advertising agency is.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
I don't know the answer to this, but I wonder
if it would have got as many complaints if that
was a female, female naked bumb doing the jump, whether
there be as many complaints or maybe you know, whether
there'd be people still saying it's inappropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Yeah, because there's nothing. It depends what kind of female
bumb it was. Because this guy isn't really you wouldn't
say he's a particularly shapely attractive sort of operator, as
he's a bit of a battler.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
Yeah, so its henery cap.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
So it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting if it was
if it was a woman, whether that would be different. Yeah,
what if it was a very attractive, shapely woman's buttock? Yeah,
but that would be Would that change the whole conversation? Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty or conversely, a you know,
a battling woman's bump?

Speaker 6 (01:37:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Love to hear your thought.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Does that come into the coming to the equation?

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
I don't know, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eight years.
The number to call got full boards, But keep trying.
If you can't get through, it is bang on habas.

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Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. And we're talking about this
ad and we don't need to name the business. Everybody
knows what it is, but we don't want to give
them any more free advertised bos. We are in a
way talking about this, but anyway do they advertise with us. No,
they don't give us any money.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
They don't, they don't off up, they don't. Yeah, if
you want you want to, you know, take more than
a be a bum for us to mention you know, yeah, exactly.
But anyway, we're talking about the Overton Window. It's an ad.
It's a lot of ed for it's a beer bum
skiing ad you've probably seen. But we're talking about the
Overton Window, which is a model for understanding how ideas
move from unthinkable to standard, unthinkable, radical acceptable obviously, judging

(01:39:18):
by the ruling from the Advertising Standards Association to the
forty two complaints that beer bum is now acceptable and
added and used to be years ago, but it is now.
But what do you think about it? Lynn says, I'd
have no complaints if it was Tom Cruise's bum, that
Battler's bum, I might complain about the Cruise has got
a really nice but this guy in the ad, it's

(01:39:40):
getting a lot of pushback on his backside and people
are saying because there was nothing attractive about the man.
The ad is not sexualized. It's more silly, if you
see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
Yeah, I wonder how that poor fellows feel And he
could have done a few more lunges before that recording.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Though. Just go to the pool of the beach Lads
any day in the summer and you will see many
a naked female bottom the micro bikini leaves nothing to
the imagination.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
That's probably not a good idea. Don't go down to
the pool and do that, Yeah, down to the No,
don't go down to the pool frame. Don't go down
to the pool expressly for that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, you go down for swimming. Yet, ironically,
it used to be far more common to see women's
breasts and men's appendages and movies that weren't necessarily are
right back in the day. Yeah, I mean in Jaws,
which came out fifty years ago, there is woman's breasts
at the start of the movie. That is there. Yeah,

(01:40:33):
and that was just a PG back in the day. Yeahs,
some ways we've become more risky. In some ways we've
become less risky over time. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call Rob you like it, Hi,
I'm just.

Speaker 17 (01:40:48):
Going to talk about standards. There was a program, it
was a Kiddy's cartoon back in the seventies called Captain Pugwash.

Speaker 14 (01:41:01):
Oh, yeah, that's right if you have ever heard about that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
But I heard I've heard about the double on tendres
that were rife on that show.

Speaker 17 (01:41:09):
Well, it wasn't double on Taunderers really because they had
one person that was called Mas Debates.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Yeah, and then and then they do that's a double.

Speaker 17 (01:41:24):
Entire Okay, yeah, I guess you could call them double
on Taundres. But and Roger the cabin.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Boy, Yeah yeah, I mean they definitely knew what they
were up to on Keptna bug wathingtdon't they And that
was I guess that was an example of making the
mums and dads laugh so they could they could handle
watching the Punishing Kids show. Meanwhile, all of that went
over the head of the kids, and there's a bit
of there's a bit of that still happens to this day.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
Yeah, I mean The Simpsons has got a lot of
in your window in it, very clever in your window.
But then I was talking asking you about the sitcom
Are You Being Served? And clearly a massive amount of
inn window in that particular program that would have gone
over the head of kids, but all the all the
adults watching knew what they were talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Missus Slocum's yeah cat yeah, absolutely Are You Being Served?
Yeah Yeah. Also a theme for song on Matt Berry's
Themes from British television show album that I Got Tim
You Think standards are slipping.

Speaker 10 (01:42:24):
Well, I just want to like the Overton window theory
as a whole. As the window gets bigger or wider,
that essentially means that the standards, our standards are going down.

Speaker 6 (01:42:37):
Doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
Well yeah, I mean it depends which way you look
at it, because sometimes it can be politically things that
were you know, it can it can open up to
things like say, for example, the you know, gay marriage
for example, at one point that was considered completely unthinkable
and radical, and then it became acceptable. So you could say,

(01:43:01):
depending on your point of view, either that is making
things better or worse. If you see what I'm saying, Tim,
I do.

Speaker 10 (01:43:08):
Just so just going back to where you started with,
like your language on radio, saying the eastward on radio,
like you say, ten maybe five years ago, that would
be completely unheard of. And I mean I'm a young
Feran of myself, but I've got two young kids who

(01:43:29):
you know, in ten years time, is that going to
be the normal for my ten year old to be
walking around the house whearing it is lomb and dead.
Because the Overian window has shifted.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
The Ovarian windows a different thing. But yeah, the Overton window, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:43:48):
The Overton the window. So if you take it a
step further, as as the standards of little things like
language slips, what would be called you know it it
slip further down. What else gets dragged into that? So yeah,

(01:44:09):
it could reflect on like the way you dress or
the way you act, or and it becomes harder to
bring your your children back into line because it becomes
the norm. So you know, you don't want your kids
walking around saying the East word.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
And you know, it's really interesting to him because I
was thought I'd be quite a liberal parent in that regard,
but then when I had kids, I just never swore
in front of them and never allowed them to swear.
It just seems it just seemed wrong, and it was strange,
strange conservative. It was a strange, you know, all the
terrible things I've done on television and such over the years,

(01:44:45):
I was surprised how conservative I was. And then when
my son said the other day, or you've started swearing,
and I was like, well, yeah, you're sixteen now, so
I'll swear in front of me now, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:44:57):
So as that Overton window changes and that becomes more prolific,
and like the media, our children have been exploded said
that more and more, and so it makes it impossible
to be parent from that point of view. You know,
you can't really you can't tell them off because it's

(01:45:19):
on TV or it's on the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
I mean, so what do you think of renegades like
Mike Hosking that are using the east word on on
breakfast radio in the morning. Do you think you think
that should be the line? You think Mike should stop?

Speaker 10 (01:45:30):
I mean, like I might, I might be in the minority,
but I don't. I don't think it needs to be
on radio. That's just my opinion, not like you say,
it's five years ago, you wouldn't have heard it anywhere
alone on ZB or on TV one. I mean they're
saying the seaword and parliament there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. You never would have thought that that
from the nineteen seventies or eighties. Would you ever have
thought that would have happened?

Speaker 5 (01:45:59):
It was that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
Yeah, it was a moment.

Speaker 10 (01:46:01):
No, And so that like it does it makes you
wonder like if it's hapning now and ten years time,
when when my my ket is going to be thirteen
years old, where's the language going to be set and
where do you where do you put where do you
lay the boundaries?

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
But but does that Yeah, I get what you're saying
to me, and a lot of people would agree with you,
But does it? So say the the s H I
T and the more it's used and the more it
becomes acceptable, it takes away that naughty taboo power of
that particular word. And I just out of interest, how
to look back at words that were considered a very
offensive a couple hundred years ago. Gosh, g golly, diagnamic,

(01:46:40):
drat and cripes they were seen as highly offensive and
now you'd be seen as a ned Flanders if you
say those things.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
So you see what I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
Getting at that that you know, And and granted I'm
with you on the sea word. I think that's a
horrendous word. But there may become a time where that
power is lost and people do not take you anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
Where do you go? We need to have we need
to keep some words as the words that we use
in extreme circumstances. Yeah, and again very fair point.

Speaker 10 (01:47:05):
Yeah, I just I just think one thing kind of
leads to another. And if you let the standards slip
on the likes of your language, and I don't have
a problem with your ad itself. But you know, once
you start slipping standard of language, then it's a lot
easier to flip your standards.

Speaker 5 (01:47:23):
Of your behavior.

Speaker 10 (01:47:24):
And yeah, it's where you know, that's where your crime
rates come from too.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
You know, how old are you? Do you mind me
asking Tim how old you are?

Speaker 6 (01:47:31):
You?

Speaker 13 (01:47:31):
Three?

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
Thirty three year.

Speaker 10 (01:47:34):
I've got I've got a three year old and an
eight month old.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Yeah, so you're you're, you're you're a young man and
you've got you've got conservative values on this. It's an
interesting Thank you so much for sharing your chat. I
appreciate your call time.

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
It's great, really interesting. Right, we're going to play some messages,
but plenty of calls to get to.

Speaker 5 (01:47:51):
I w e.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number if
you want to have a chat about the beer bums
and standard slipping.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
So we're saying, in terms of the Overton window, same
sex marriage was one that people would never have thought about,
and then I think nearly everyone would agree is a
positive thing that that the Overton window opened up to
allow that, Yep, marijuana legislation. There was a time in
New Zealand where you wouldn't even consider out it. Now
we've got medical marijuana, so the and that window is

(01:48:16):
opening up if you're talking about policy, that's opening up
around psilocybin as well.

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
Now, yeah, so things change absolutely. It is sixteen to
four back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
A fresh take on talkback. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
Very good afternoon, tiar It is thirteen to four. Plenty
of good techs coming through on nine two ninety two,
and plenty of calls as well, and we want to
have a check to you. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
It's on the back of the beer buttocks ads that
has got a lot of complaints, but the Advertising Standard
Authority seares it's not inappropriate and it's aokay.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
And speaking of the Overton window, how over time attitudes
changed towards things and you, as we said, been saying
beer buttocks wouldn't have been a big thing and advertising
even ten years ago. Hi, guys, Danny Watson was in
your slot. It's the past, that's true. Yeah, And if
anyone swore more than two or maybe three times after
he gave them a warning they were dumped. He hated

(01:49:15):
it all right? Is that true?

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
Oh the red card? Andrew was saying, because the producer
was producing Danny Watson the red card the car.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Well, that doesn't sound that sounds like quite a wide
Overton window two or maybe three times it de means
what the swear word is. He was quite a potty
mouth off here, though, wouldn't he. No, Yeah, no he was,
Yeah he was. I remember working with him when he
was a builder, before he was on radio, because of
course he started off on what Now, didn't I played
a character on TV show that was a tribute to
Danny Watson, which is I think it's quite interesting that

(01:49:44):
I've ended up doing the same slot as he did
on NEWSTI z be because a character called Danny Parker
that I played on a television show called Back of
the Wire, which was a tribute to Danny Watson and
Steve Parker. So good, full circle, Welcome to the show, Peter,
Yeah good eight.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Yeah good, make good? And what's your take on on bars?

Speaker 25 (01:50:07):
Just say about the I don't not not worry about
the lot of ad, but I just wanted to know
if he was familiar with the brotown.

Speaker 14 (01:50:15):
I guess from New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Yeah, absolutely, I love them in Morning Side, whether that's
in Brotown.

Speaker 25 (01:50:22):
Yeah, there's quite a few innuendos that were on in
that series, and I'm not sure if you were aware,
but one of them was called the Mad Crack Liquors Dairy.
I think that it's been around New Zealand for quite
some time, this type of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Yeah. Well, the thing is that's a comedy show. It's
interesting for me because I think TV shows, you know,
the bits between the ads, you kind of expect them
to push things a little bit further than the ads.
There's sort of been for whatever reason, higher standard and advertising.

Speaker 14 (01:50:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Then then in the shows, right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
Yeah, you get more license because those TV shows are
classified and they put on at a certain time. But
the adverts, you can't really classify individual adverts, right, You've
got to let them all play when they want to play,
and the ASA is there to make sure that the
standards are upheld and in this case they're okay with
bear bumps.

Speaker 5 (01:51:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Yeah, yeah, there you go, Julie, welcome to the show.

Speaker 26 (01:51:22):
Hi, And I've got some neighbors that are still there
and there with the which they weren't but the kids
were just into primary school age, and they used to
work around, walk around the yard and saying you know
what with the if word this and if we're that.
So I got totally freed up with it this particular day.

(01:51:44):
And I've got a big dog in his nose water.
So this particular day I end out there and I
said they were if first, and if that I yelled
at and the lad was, hey, water, the eff is
the here already? And the place just with dead silence?

Speaker 7 (01:51:59):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
And so what did Well to do in that instance?
I suppose Walter's a good boy and he didn't. He
didn't really go for these children.

Speaker 26 (01:52:06):
No, no, it's name, it's not well, his name is
not Walter.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:52:13):
Bother.

Speaker 22 (01:52:14):
It was a dog.

Speaker 5 (01:52:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
And so for you, Julie, you think what standards are slipping?
Not just on adverts but everywhere.

Speaker 26 (01:52:22):
I'd say so because I mean, I mean I've said
that word mystself and this and a great juries A
silly guy did a YouTube in front of it, and
I newly hit him, but I called him more than
a here anyway. But it definitely is slipping. I mean,
these kids were only just going to school and they

(01:52:42):
were using that word.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Yeah, it's shocking, Julie. It is shocking, shocking. I mean,
bring back the wooden spoon. It's many of a wooden
spoon broken on my beer bum. I've got to say, really, yeah,
Mum loved it. Well, I don't know she loved it,
but no, she would have been this. This is going
to hurt me more than it hurts you, don't. I
don't know why I say some of that loved it.

(01:53:04):
I'm so sorry mom. She wake up in the morning
to go. Hope I can an opportunity to whack to
Tyler with the wooden spoon today had a hell of
an arm. I absolutely love it. All right. It is
eight minutes to four.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
We'll wrap this up very shortly, but we've got to
play some messages picked free shortly. Here you're listening to
Matton Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams Afternoons used
dogs edb us dogs edb.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
It is five to four. We've been talking about the
Overton window and how it's opened up to the point
where a beer bum on a TV ad is apparently fine.
The six says no naked skis for TV ads as
children are watching at the time. That would damage someone's childhood.
I mean, how fragile is your childhood? Of beer bum
would damage it on a TV ad. The skiing ad

(01:53:57):
has done tastefully. The best part is the grins from
the two guys on the slopes. That's from Lorna. Hi,
Matt and Tyler. It's a bit like togs Togs Undies undies. Now,
that was a great ad. It's okay to beer butts
and a whole lot more on Love Island, et cetera,
but not on Lotto ad. What's the difference? Where's the line?

Speaker 5 (01:54:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
Good text, Yeah, and great discussion. Thank you very much
everyone who called and phoned on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Yeah, that's right. And now thank you all we great
New Zealanders for listening to the show. Thanks so much
for all your calls and texts. We've had a great
time chatting the Mett and Tyler. Afternoon's podcast will be
out in about an hour. So if you missed our
chats on whether or not you should sell your house
without using a real estate agent, or are today's hons
any worse than the bogans of old, then follow our

(01:54:41):
podcast where you get your podcasts. The great and powerful
Ryan Bridges up next, standing in for Heather. But right now, Tyler,
why am I playing the song from Queen?

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
What a choice? What a choice? Queen?

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Fat bottom girls? Best feller in the advert?

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Wasn't a girl? But was it a fat bottom? Was
it a type buttocks? You wouldn't say it was a
type buttock? But I think it'll be a different story
if it'll be named fat bottom girl that was on
the skis, wouldn't it. I think it would have been
would have got a lot more complaints.

Speaker 13 (01:55:11):
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
Thank you once again for today. Yeah, thanks for listening
to everyone, See you tomorrow. Until then, give them a
taste of Kiwi from us. Love you, Love you, June,

(01:55:43):
Mattie and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
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