Full Show Podcast: 15 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Get Au Great kiwis So Podcast one two five. Madi
was not here today. In his own words, he had
a very important event to MC and nobody else would do.
It had to be Mett Heath, so he was away
today and this thing was sort of out ages ago,
so fair enough. I mean he did stamp me up,

(00:36):
and that's typical Matt Heath. But we had a great
chat about community attendance and community spirits on the back
of David Seymour saying that it's up to all of us,
particularly dairy owners, to get kids back to school, give
them a kick in the button and say, oh, shouldn't
be buying any premo during school hours. Get back to school.
So that was a good discussion. Then great in depth

(01:01):
chat about tiny holmes, but a confusion about tiny homes
on wheels. Is it a car, is it a vehicle,
is it a granny flat? Is it a structure? So
we got pretty deep on that. Then I d some
of my own dirty laundry, so to speak. I've got
a neighbor who loves to burn stuff in the backyard.
Nice neighbors, elderly neighbors. So we had a good chat
about backyard fires and are you into your backyard fires?

(01:24):
The brazy is okay, and I think we came to
the conclusion that braziers were okay. And I'm going to
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Speaker 1 (01:40):
Big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Said me, well, get a to you. Welcome into the
show on this Thursday afternoon. I hope you're doing well.
We're heavy listening in the country. Great to have your
company as always, So no Madie today. I've got a
statement here that he wanted me to read in his absence.
So it says that he is m seeing a very

(02:10):
very important event and apparently no one else could do
it or would do it. So he is away from
us for one day only. He'll be back with us tomorrow,
but I will be flying solo for this Thursday afternoon
and matter. If you're listening, mate, hope the gig goes
well and we'll catch you again tomorrow. On to today's show.
After three o'clock. If you've ever felt like you've been

(02:33):
stuck behind someone doing well under the speed limit for
no discernible reason, apparently you're not alone. In fact, you've
now got research on your side. A new global study
has revealed how average driving speeds very across the globe,
with New Zealand ranking outside the top one hundred fastest
driving countries. So by analyzing long distance and urban driving
speeds across one hundred and forty countries, to study uncovered

(02:56):
that the average long distance driving speed in New Zealand
is get the sixty two k's in hour, So that
puts US at one hundred and one in the global rankings.
North America we talk out first, and second, the US
had an average speed of one hundred and nine k's
an hour. In Canada not far behind at one hundred
and seven k's an hour. But after three o'clock, or

(03:17):
want to have a chat about this? Are we a
bunch of nana's on the road? If we are, is
that a good thing? How do we measure up internationally.
Really keen to get your thoughts on that on oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and of course the
changes that we've had were speed limits all over the shop.
Has that got a part to play as well? After
two o'clock a growing number of tiny homes on wheels

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or appearing on sections and landscapes across the country. It
can be a good option for people to get into
a property if they cannot afford a standalone The interpretation
of rules around tiny homes is varied around districts, particularly
as to whether a tiny home is a vehicle or
a building if it has wheels, and of course if
a council deans it is a building, it usually means

(04:01):
it has to go through a lengthy consent process. So
owners are now calling for clarity and consistency. These new
granny flat rules, likely to come into force next year,
won't help, apparently, and indications from ministers suggest the situation
with tiny homes will remain as it is. So how
hard was it to set up a tiny home on

(04:22):
your lands? Do the rules need to be clarified or simplified?
To me? It would surely fit within the granny flat arena,
would it not, but I have heard of people struggling
to get a bank loan for a tiny home. So
really keen to hear from you if you've gone the
tiny home route, what was the process like? Have you

(04:42):
got it on wheels? Did that mean that you didn't
have to get consent for it? Is this a viable
option for a lot of people that just cannot get
into a standalone house? Right now? That is after two o'clock,
but right now, let's have a chat about community and
the part that we should be playing when it comes
to kids, truancy and bad behavior. Are we doing enough

(05:06):
as a community when we see children and about during
school time. It was a point made by ACT leader
David Seymour when he announced one hundred and forty million
dollars to tackle truancy. He said it, I'm paraphrasing here,
but that if you're a dairy owner and a child
walks into your dairy during school hours and attempts to
buy a Primo, then it's up to you, as an

(05:28):
upstanding member of society, to say no, I'm not going
to sell you anything because you should be in school
and get back to school or else I we'll call
your parents and the school to alert them that you
are not there and somebody will pick you up. And
it was something here that put to Northland School Principal
Pat Newman on her show last night. Here's a little

(05:49):
bit of what he said. We're parents, we're grandparents.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Why can't we if we see snotty little Johnny working
around at twelve, go what do you do?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Get in school?

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (05:58):
It would be really nice. And we were getting that.
We were saying as looking over the fence in the
neighbor's fence with the kids at school, saying hey, listen,
what can I do to help to get the kids
to school? That's the whole thing of what I was
trying to say is but we need to have something
driving it so people actually think it's all right to
do that. People say, oh, we can't reach over. They might,
it's not our business. We've got to do is to

(06:20):
reinvent the community, because we don't have communities in town
going to reinvent them.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
So a couple of points there in his answer. One
he agrees that we as a community need to be
better at spotting kids out in a baut or getting
to know our neighbors and know who are in the
children in our communities, and if we see and spot
children wandering around in the streets during school hours, then
we've got a responsibility to step up and talk to
those children and maybe tell them to get your butt

(06:47):
back to school, or I'm going to ring the school,
or try and get a hold of your parents, or
ring the police. But also has point about the decline
of the community. And he's not wrong, is he? Certainly
communities up and down the country were not what they
were twenty thirty forty years ago when I was a child,
And I don't think I'm looking back with roast tinted
glasses here. It was just the reality when I was
growing up. You did know your neighbors, and they were

(07:11):
families that my parents got along with. So there were
friendship groups within the streets and wider community. You were
very closely aligned with your school. You knew your principle,
the teachers all lived in the same neighborhood as well.
So is that something that we have lost in society
that is a part of this problem of school truancy

(07:32):
and the behavior of children that we see out in
the community. Is it still okay to tell off other
people's children, even if you don't know them, Love to
hear from you on this one. O eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Do we all
have a part to play when it comes to in
this instances truancy but also other bad behavior? Do you
step up when you see children misbehaving out into society,

(07:53):
whether you know those children or not. Love to hear
from you on O eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It
is thirteen past two. If you want to send a
texture more than welcome. Nine to ninety two is the
text number thirteen past one back very shortly here on
news talks 'b.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Very good afternoon to you just highly here today. Matt
is off today, but he will be back with us tomorrow.
But we're talking about the decline of communities around the country,
but also the responsibility that we do or do not have,
as upstanding citizens of a neighborhood and community to step
up when it comes to truancy of children. David Seymour,

(08:40):
when he announced one hundred and forty million dollars to
tackle truancy in New Zealand and made that very point.
He said that it should be if a child walks
into a dairy to try and buy a Primo, for example,
the dairy owner should turn around to that child and say, no,
it's school hours. You should be at school. I'm not
going to sell you that primo. Get back to school,
or I'm going to ring the police or your parents.

(09:00):
And I think that's what used to happen the rare
occasions I tried to wag when I was at high school.
You'll never be seen out in public because of an
adult you knew, or even an adult you didn't know
saw you. You'd get a clip around the years or
they would tell you get your butt back to school
asap because at school hours, and otherwise I'm going to
ring your parents or the police. But can you get

(09:21):
your thoughts on this one? I eight hundred eighty ten
eighty What part do we have to play here? A
couple of texts coming through Tyler, what a load of bs.
Let kids be kids, and this one I think a
lot of people will be feeling this one. Hey, if
you approached a child in the street these days, they
will just tell you to f off. We are doomed.
And I think that is a big part of it.

(09:43):
I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call get a berry.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
Yeah, Hi, just for truancy.

Speaker 7 (09:51):
Yeah, Look, it reflects back on the parents, and you
can't blame the kids because it appearance guiding the kids
and they have the oldoment and final say in what
those kids do. So really it should be the guidance

(10:11):
of the parents about how those kids going about their lives.
And you know it, really you were a fixed on them.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, and that's a fair point, Barry. But do you
not think that members of the neighborhood that those kids
live in, or the wider community could still play some part.
You're quite right. There are unfortunately many kids out there
who are regularly truant from school and their parents don't
give a damn.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
But it's this neighborhood got to do with the parents.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, mean, my argument barriers where it used to be
like that, didn't it? Well, I mean tell me if
I'm looking back in the past with roast and glasses,
but when I was a child, you knew your neighbors.
And if you were seeing wagging school or out and
about and someone spotted you, and adults spotted you, even
if they didn't know you, they would tell you to
get your butt back to school. So there was a
part of that pride in looking after the wider community.

(11:08):
That whole quote it takes a village to raise a child,
to me, I think that is missing.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
Well, well it is, but in saying that, that's society today.
Now it's moved on and it's changed. The thoughts and
values of yesteryear are today.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
But I mean is that defeat is Barry? I hear
what you're saying. And of course society changes as we
as we go forward, but do we not want to
try and get back to that idea of community spirit?

Speaker 7 (11:41):
The idea was the appearance are responsible.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
And what are you doing? At instance?

Speaker 7 (11:48):
They should be the ones set in stone about this.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, Berry, thank you very much, And a lot of
people would agree with that sentiment. Sentiment, but tend to
get your thoughts on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
And when it comes to your own neighborhood and your street,
do you know your neighbors? Do you know your community
is there a strong sense of community for it where
you live. I can't recall the last neighborhood I lived

(12:13):
and where there was a really strong sense of community,
that you knew your neighbors very well, that you were
friends with your neighbors. Sadly, it does feel like a
part of New Zealand that has changed drastically. And if
that is the case, can we get that back? Do
we want to get that back?

Speaker 8 (12:33):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
E one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call, really keen to get your thoughts on this one.
It is twenty past one. Back very shortly. Are you're
listening to just Tyler today? Matt back with us tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 9 (12:49):
The mass exodus continues, driven largely by young New Zealanders.
Mass University sociologist Paul spoonleive you needed to see the
New Zealanders leaving tail off significantly, and it isn't. And
then that surely is a worry, if not a crisis.

Speaker 10 (13:02):
Well it is.

Speaker 11 (13:02):
And it looks as though that the part in New
Zealand is year on year is around seventy thousand. It
would be okay if we reached.

Speaker 12 (13:10):
That seventy thousand in one year and.

Speaker 11 (13:12):
It started to come back now, but it's not. It's
staying at that seventy thousand tigga.

Speaker 9 (13:16):
And what worries Miss Sick is their young people. We
could use a few to grow the country and make
us a little bit better than we currently are. Back
tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Mayley's
Real Estate News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
B afternoon to you twenty three past one. Do we
have some responsibility as upstanding members of our communities and
neighborhoods to tell truant children to get back to school.
David Seymour thinks we should, and he got some support
from Northland Principal Pat Newman as well when he spoke
to Heather yesterday. He said that it is up to

(13:50):
community members to step up and if they see children
wandering around outside of ours, then they should have a
chat to that child and say why aren't you at school?
And if you don't get back to school asap, I'm
going to ring the cops all your parents as that
up to us as communities. The old quote it takes
a village to raise a child is there some truth
and that or do we need to get harder on

(14:12):
the parents that allow their children to WAG school? Can
you get your thoughts? So one hundred and eighteen eighty
is the number to call get a Richard.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Hey, hey doing Taylor.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Very good to check with you, my friend. What's your
thoughts on it?

Speaker 13 (14:25):
Yeah, I'm just talking about your your previous caller. There
is a lot of truth in what he said that
lies on the parents. But and also I want to
add to it that it is a community thing. Yeah, that's.

Speaker 14 (14:43):
There.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, yep, we just lost here for a little bit
of Richard. So yep, I've still got yet loud and clear.
So yeah, it's still a community thing. You go for it.

Speaker 13 (14:51):
That is the community thing.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
If we.

Speaker 13 (14:55):
If we all contribute together, because you know, a lot
of the kids they they learned a lot of stuff
from the neighbors and they go they know that they
was back in the day it was it was a
very community of thing, and everybody kept an eye out
for each other. And yeah, the prime responsibility lays of
the parents, but then is also for your for your

(15:19):
trusted neighbors to also help with monitoring the whole process.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, I agree with you, Richard, but I do question
where that started to fall down in terms of that
sense of community. And no doubt about it, I was
a lucky kid and had some privilege there. But I
remember when I grew up in a neighborhood in Nelson,
and recall very vividly when I fell off my bike
very quite badly injured. My parents went home and one

(15:48):
of the neighbors took me in and sorted me out
while and then rang my mum decided falling off my
bike you just I mean, that would be very rare
these days and a lot of neighborhoods, right, Yeah, So
how do we how do we get that bet.

Speaker 13 (16:03):
Is rebuilding the trust into the community networks and yeah,
and developing the conversations again, would you do that into
because over the last you know, maybe pay in twenty years,
we've kind of like lost that sort of you know,
with all the human rights giving, teaching our children that

(16:25):
they've got rights, and then the poor pearance is so
tired with a lot of the discipline.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Do you think it is okay to tell off a
child on the street if you don't know that child.

Speaker 13 (16:42):
There's probably a way to do that but we won't
because the children nowadays, you know, they just ignore that
sort of adult parental type of thing when we see
the young people doing misdemeanors and running a mark And

(17:03):
I still do it in my community, or whenever I
see someone, I'll just yell out hey, and then you
know they'll stop. Yeah, And me being a Pacific islander,
I'll call out. I'll call it out in my own
language and then they will stop. And then they will
they will turn yeah and.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Put on you for doing that, Richard. So so the
neighbor and I'm sure they would stop. So the neighborhood
where you live, do you know some of your neighbors,
is there some sense of community spirit?

Speaker 13 (17:33):
Yeah, I've moved into the neighborhood that I'm living now,
which is very western, very i would say, middle class
New Zealand. Yep, and we're very, very much. Yeah, our
three neighbors were very yeah, very tank very We will

(17:54):
kind of like you know, look out for each other
and even their children and our children, and yet we
still build that community.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Richard. Yeah, good on you, and thank you very much
for your thoughts. But to Richard's point, you know, he
is a good member of his community, and if he
sees the local children running them up, as he put it,
he will call out to them and say, oh, stop
doing that, and nine times out of ten they listened
to him. But I also thinks a lot of the
text as they are alluding to, if you are put

(18:24):
in that position where you see a child or children
doing something illegal or a misdemeanor or misbehaving in the community,
telling them to stop it, you don't know what you're
going to get back and return, But can you hear
from you on this? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
David Seymour right? Do business owners and members of the
community need to play a part in the truancy issue

(18:45):
that we do have or does it come back to
parents and schools themselves to step up in that arena?
Really can to get your view on it. Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call if
you want to text You're more than welcome. Nine two
ninety two is that number. Headlines with Ray Lean coming up,
It's twenty eight past one.

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(19:25):
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(19:47):
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(20:10):
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Speaker 2 (20:33):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. And we're talking about truancy
and where upstanding members of the community may come in
when it comes to tackling truancy. David Seymour, when he
announced the one hundred and forty million dollars to tackle truancy,
said that it should be up to members of society
to play a part there. Her example he used was
a child going into a dairy during school hours to

(20:55):
buy a primo, as kids tend to do, and the
diry owner turning around and say, no, I'm not going
to sell you a primo. It's school time. You should
be at school. Get back to school or ouse as
he ride, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. But
we're also talking about community spirit in New Zealand. Has
it been declining over the past couple of decades and
can we get it back? Is there any point in
getting it back? And this is just anecdotally. When I

(21:17):
look at the likes of the United States, for example,
in many parts of the United States, you see quite
a significant community spirit, and that was something that used
to exist in New Zealand in most neighborhoods, and over
the past ten twenty thirty years that has started to decline.
That you don't know your neighbors anymore, that you're not

(21:39):
familiar with the neighborhood kids. So if you see them
out in the street during a school day. In the past,
you may go up and say, why aren't you at school?
Get your butt there asap, or I'm going to tell
your parents. But keen you get your thoughts. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Am I just looking at the pass through rose tinted glasses.
Keen to get your thoughts like this, Texas said Tyler.

(22:02):
You are assuming kids bunking school hang around the neighborhood.
Most of them go to the local mall, so who
knows who they belong to calling the police as a joke.
They can't even turn up at a supermarket theft because
they are so understaffed. You're living in La La Land.
Keep those texts coming through nine two nine two. Does
the text to have a fair point? Get a john?

Speaker 6 (22:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (22:23):
Get Unquestionably, there has been an erosion of this concept
of community. I remember growing up back in the day
in a rural area and everybody knew everybody and it's
a very close knit community. But that is largely banished.
And what is distinctive about Singapore and the Nordic nations

(22:45):
or which have leap frog New Zealand terms of economic
performance and social performance. It's a very high levels of
social cohesion, which is indispensable in the context of economic development,

(23:06):
for example. But because their very high levels of social cohesion,
strong sense of community, those tend to be the nation's
least affected by crime and anti social behavior. So this
thing is very well illustrated if you want to pursue

(23:28):
it further. I told people to google Lequan news Ten
Rules for Success, in which Leeqwan New lays out for
ten rules for success. Number one, called Chasing the Rainbow,
is pertinent to what we're discussing and Lequan New he

(23:48):
noted that the people of Singapore had become very used
to high economic growth year after year, with the result
that people tend to become primarily concerned with their own
and their families economic success, and he warns that this
is very dangerous because what is it's more important is

(24:10):
the well being of society as a whole. And he
deplaused this change and attitude, and he specifically was it
is very very dangerous.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
But didn't we used to have that? John? I mean fairpoint.
And Singapore is long held up as an example of
doing many things right, not everything, but many things very successfully.
But we used to have a strong community spirit. Or
am I looking back with roast and glasses? Am I
living in Lala Land? That was my experience grown up

(24:40):
that you did know your neighbors and community, and the
school was a central pillar of that community. And if
you weren't there, it wouldn't take long to figureate you
a wagon and your parents got involved and all helpro
loose as it should have.

Speaker 16 (24:53):
For sure.

Speaker 15 (24:54):
Will you ask if this can be brought back? The
answer is yes, because there's no community spirit in Singapore
before Lequad you arrived on the scene. But as recently suggested,
one of the the instruments shown in nation after nation
be effective in this context is national service. And if

(25:17):
we had in this country young for example, Jimmy Hohepper
who's wagging school ands on, he's at age eighteen, he's
thrown in with the likes of say Young jumped up
and titled Parlane McFarlane from Paradise Drive and they've all
got to work together towards a common goal. But you

(25:37):
see the dominant philosophy since particularly since nineteen eighty four,
is the ruthless pursuit of individual success to the detriment
of the sense of community. And as Liqua New wants
on that reference, there's ten rules for success. If you

(25:57):
google will probably come up Liquan New on democracy, Christianity
and leadership. But he spells out in no uncertain terms
the extreme danger of this way of thinking. And if
you look at the Nordic nations, the striking feature is
there very high levels of social cohesion. And in the

(26:18):
economic context. If New Zealand is to transition from a
down to your low wage, middle income agricultural export nation
up to a highly egalitarian, high income nation, which it
could be, one of the requisites is you've got to
have a very high level of social cohesion.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
John, thank you very much for your thoughts, really appreciated.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you want to
respond to John's thoughts about the community spirit and the
decline of community spirit in New Zealand and maybe taken
a leave at a Singapore's book. You're more than welcome.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Get a carl, you know, totally here, you go, very good.

(26:57):
So you're a good man to Chetto. So you have
been had a bit of a struggle with truancy.

Speaker 17 (27:02):
Is that right?

Speaker 10 (27:04):
Yeah? Yeah, I've done. I've just been going on for
a year and a half now and I've just emailed
David Seymour Usterday and the Minister of Educations and the
Minister of Children. I lost custody of my daughter a
year and a two years ago and then over time

(27:26):
she hasn't been attending school for the last year and
a half. Basically, I have two other children and my
care one's got one hundred percent tendency and one's about
ninety eight at the moment. The thing that really annoys
me is, you know, there's well to talk about it,
but there's no action. I've spent days and days on

(27:47):
the telephone to different organizations now, Police, Ministry of Education,
o T you know, talking to youth aide officers, you know,
and just trying to get someone to prosecute, and it's
just they're just not interested her. She was sturdy when

(28:13):
I lost custody of her. So she's coming up fifteen
next month and she's not living with her mother. She's
living on a farm. She's out there looking for a job,
trying to get a job. Her mother has serious mental
health issues. You know, the judge Johannah Ellis gave her

(28:38):
custody back then, which was the wrong thing to do.
And you know, this is a situation I'm dealing with now.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I mean, I can hear the defeat in your voice, Carl,
and I'm really sorry you've you've had to be dealing
with that over the past two years. So when you've
asked for support from the school, what have they said
to you?

Speaker 10 (28:59):
Well, I am cold call the principal of the certain
school and sat her down and told her what I
wanted to happen, and share a bit stand offish. When
I mentioned David Seymour the name, you'd see it up.
But you know, I've had another meetings with different principles

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in this area of where we are. They know where
I stand, and they certainly know where they stand with me,
and I work with them just about every second day
with these kids in good terms. But you know, the
schools are very busy in Sows and they've got time

(29:40):
to run around and do this thing and.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
That just on that, Carl. And in no way am
I belittling the work that schools do and principals do
and teachers do. But I think they do have a
big part to play. The successful schools that are a
pillar of their community and a big part of their community.
That's exactly what they do, isn't it that the principal
was well known by everybody in that community, that many

(30:05):
of the teachers.

Speaker 10 (30:06):
And get it.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
There's long hours, but they you know that they're not
doing it there for a paycheck. They are doing it
there because they know that they are critical to the
to the benefit of their local community.

Speaker 10 (30:17):
That's good, right, But if you got one percent or
two percent not tying the line and you've got ninety eight,
you're going to focus on the ninety eight percent, don't you.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
You're saying they don't have the resources to be able
to chase up everybody.

Speaker 10 (30:28):
Well that's that's what they're telling me. Yeah, and then
you're David sea Wall give them extra money. Yesterday, I
understand he did. Yeah, yeah, I'd like to see that money.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (30:42):
Well, you even got the people on the front line
doing it. And I'm waiting for David cell I'm going
to sit here in my office waiting for him. I
wait for him to turn up and I'll do them.

Speaker 15 (30:51):
Well.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I really hope it gets better to you or someone
from his office gets back to you, Carl, because you
know everybody listening can hear you're at your wits end here,
but it sounds like you're not going to give up.
You'll keep pushing.

Speaker 10 (31:02):
Well, see the out side of the court here, here's
a parent pushing it, pushing it, trying to get your
kids to school, and there's night support out there.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well, Carl, I really hope that changes for you. And
as you mentioned, the one hundred and forty million dollars
that has been allocated to deal with truancy, hopefully that
goes some way to getting some support you need to
help your daughter. Cayl. Thank you very much for giving
us a buzz. It is seventeen to two. Really, can
you get your thoughts on this one O one hundred
and eighty ten eighty the decline of the community. Does

(31:30):
that have a part to play with the truancy levels
and the behavior of children that you see out in
your neighborhoods. Really keen to chat with you seventeen to two,
back very surely here on new Stalks, EDB.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on madd Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks, EDB.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Good afternoons You Maddie away for today. He will be
back with us tomorrow. But I am flying solo today
and we're having a chat about community and truancy. Does
or do members of the community have a part to
play when it comes to the issue we're having with
truancy at the moment and generally with bad behavior you
see from some children our neighborhoods and in our towns

(32:10):
and cities. David Seymour certainly thinks so, and he got
some support from Northland Principal Pat Newman, who was chatting
with Heather about this last night as well. I want
to read out this text and we'll get back to
your phone calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Tyler.
Our community cohesion has been disintegrating along with the increase
In general, household's lack of time productivity growth was zero

(32:31):
point two percent last year, and the real impact of
that is we are working longer for less compared to
other OECD countries. This plays out and our ability to
put our own stuff aside and help our neighbors, both
parents work, spare time is increasingly compromised. It's pretty sad.
Has that text. I've got a point, certainly, it does
feel like we are as busy as we've ever been

(32:52):
in our lives. Are we just too exhausted, particularly over
the last five years, to be able to do what
we used to do. Get to know our neighborhoods, volunteer
be a part of it. Does that come into it? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call Josh hate on my friends.

Speaker 18 (33:08):
Yeah, Hey Taylor, Taylor, Hey, Yeah No, John, John, what
do excellent?

Speaker 7 (33:16):
Call it?

Speaker 18 (33:16):
A big shout out to John. I think he should
call your station as much as possible. We need we
need good people with good information. And that was a
good conversation you had with John. But what I wanted
to say, Tyler was approach. I think the approach is

(33:36):
important because when you come in contact with these kids.
They don't exactly want to insinuate that there's something going
on because we don't know for sure what the story is. However,
you can pose questions, you know, so try not to
accuse them of anything. They might be on study leave right,

(33:59):
You're asking the question perhaps something like oh, no school today, buddy,
or something like that, and start a conversation because yeah,
like we we don't know. We can't be streaming at kids,
or you should be at school when we don't know

(34:20):
if they're on their way to an activity or the
library or whatever. We we don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
So it's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, you don't. You don't want people screaming left, right
and center at children who are just you know, maybe
they've got a very good reason for being outside of school.
But I mean, you're you're just by saying what you've said, Josh,
you agree with David Seymour and this Northern principal Pat
Newman that we should be stepping up as community members,
that even having that chat would be steeping up to say, hey,
get a little Jimmy, you're not at school today. What's

(34:50):
going on?

Speaker 8 (34:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (34:52):
Yeah, and you know, even kids like you. I've seen
some kids play fighting on the side of the road.
And I was like, this is, you know, sort of
two o'clock kind of thing. So I pulled over and
I said, hey, boys, don't be playfighting on the side
of the road like that. And I said, I was
throwing past I thought something serious is going on. And

(35:13):
I actually encourage them to go to a jim. I said,
don't be doing that out on the footpath. You don't
know what's going to go wrong.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
But what were they doing on the foot ut sorry,
I dismissed that. Were they chucking checking something good?

Speaker 18 (35:28):
Play fighting? Scuffling and throwing bags around and stuff. And
I just said, hey, look say that for the gym.
Don't do it on the side of the road. You
might attract you know, negative attention or whatever. And what
do they tell you, Well, they just said, oh, you're
sorry or sorry, and I was just like, no, no, no, no,
you're not in trouble. I'm just trying to get.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Well, that's a good response, I mean, just to you know,
to mack up some of these heaps coming through Josh.
I think a lot of people these days fear that
depending on the age of the child. In fact, sometimes
the child can be quite young. But if you see
them doing something that is you know, a little bit
antisocial and you pull them aside and say, hey, you
can't be doing that. The response that a lot of

(36:09):
people fear they're going to get now where is a
big if off or you know whatever? Is that lack
of respect of authority and an adult saying you're going
to pull your hidden.

Speaker 13 (36:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (36:21):
Well, I mean again, it's it's approach and that's becoming neutral.
You're not becoming an authoritative You're just inquiring. Are you
asking a polite question? There's no need to, you know,
for anyone to get abusive in that situation, and if
they do then you're just you can in clare Fell
if me you say, okay, well what's going on?

Speaker 19 (36:44):
Is you?

Speaker 18 (36:45):
You know, do you need to talk to someone or
do you have some of the fook to or that's.

Speaker 17 (36:50):
A fair point.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Did you ever see those two lads down at your gym?

Speaker 13 (36:56):
No?

Speaker 18 (36:56):
No, we haven't. But hey, the other point you're asking
about the community breakdown, here's a theory for you generation rent.
How many houses are these poor children had to move into?

Speaker 20 (37:10):
Right like?

Speaker 18 (37:11):
You hear stories of kids living in five different houses
through primary school. The ability to maintain schooling and the
same schooling seems to be getting harder now when people
are transitioning into new properties and things like that, or

(37:31):
you know, five years ago ending up in bling in
hotels because you couldn't find a home. Well, those kids
are missing out on education. It also gets harder for
kids to reassimilate. You have to figure out who the
new bullies are.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yep, it's a very fair point, Josh for out of time,
but thanks for giving us a buzz. But it is
a very fair point. When you rent trying to establish
ties and roots in a community, it can be a
lot harder. I appreciate your call, Josh. One hundred and
eighteen eighty is the number to call. It is eight
two to two.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Mad Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons news.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Be my good afternoon to.

Speaker 21 (38:18):
You, Good afternoon to you, and thank you for listening
to me. Going back, going back to prior to Maldon's day,
I've taken an interest in Parliament. I've taken an interest
what's happened all the way through and I'm any mean
and interest. It doesn't matter which side of defense, and
mine's irrelevant. But one day there was an introduction by

(38:42):
I don't know what the viewer, a labor agreed. I
can't remember. The name was Bradford. I'm to introduce what
was known as the edge smacking girl, which is not
that good. Of course, that was just the collectism name
that was given to it. And ever since then I predicted,
I predicted correctly amongst my colleagues and friends and family,

(39:03):
they'll be changed here. And that's exactly what happened. The
children can say to their father, go and get whatever,
and the same to the school teacher, and they do,
and they say it today. They're same words that you
and I wouldn't say when we were young at all.
So the parents, most of appearance, did bring their children

(39:24):
up well. I bought mine up well and the ones
and we didn't have kids beaten up and murdered.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yes, we're getting today, Mike, thank you very much. A
lot of people agree with you on that one. I
don't know if I quite agree with that stance. Is
you know, I wasn't smacked that much as a child,
and I turned out all right. But I get your
point about consequences for children who don't have respect for
authority or their schools or the police. Certainly there is

(39:54):
a degradation in that behavior over the last couple of decades.
Thank you very much for your phone call on that one.
We're going to carry this on after two o'clock and really,
can you get your thoughts on our eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty if you want to send the text
ninet two nine two or email if that's your thing.
Tyler at Newstalk ZEDB dot co dot NZ, Newsport and
weather coming up. Great to have your company as always,

(40:17):
see you soon.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons news Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show seven
past too great to have your company. Matt is off today.
He's got a gig that was planned yonks ago one
day only, so he is off today, but back with
us tomorrow. And just before we get back into the program,
I always saved my lunch a little bit late, and
at the moment I'm eating a chicken, avocado and mayo sandwich.
Is there a better combination than that for a sandwich? Man,

(40:49):
it's good. I'm about halfway through, so I'm gonna dig
back into that in the air break. But just as
a side, just as I was eating that sandwich, I
thought that is a great combination ever and chicken. But
let's get back to the conversation we were having about
the decline of the community when it comes to truancy
around New Zealand. David Seymore made the point when he
announced one hundred and forty million dollars to go into

(41:10):
tackling truancy in society yesterday. But he made the point
that he thinks us, as upstanding members of the community
play a camplay and should play a part when it
comes to truant. So if we see a child wandering
the streets during school time, or if you're a dairy
owner business owner and a child comes into your business
and tries to buy a primo, that you, as the

(41:33):
business owner, should turn around to that child and say, no,
school time, why aren't you at school? If you don't
get back there asap, then I'm going to call the police,
or at least your school and maybe your parents. But
what do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty and David Seymour did get some support and what
I think was a rather unlikely place Northland Principal Pat Newman.

(41:53):
He's very respected up in Northland. But here is a
little bit of what he said to Heather on the
show yesterday. We're parents, we're grandparents. Why can't we if
we see snotty litle Johnny working around at twelve, go
what do you do? Get in school?

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (42:06):
It would be really nice you were getting that. We
were saying as looking over the fence in the neighbor's
fences the kids at school, saying hey, listen, what can
I do to help to get the kids to school?
And that's the whole thing of what I was trying
to say is that. But we need to have something
driving it so people actually think it's all right to
do that. People say, oh, we can't reach over there.
They might, it's not our business. We've got to do

(42:28):
is to reinvent the community, because we don't have communities
in town going to reinvent them.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
So that was Pat Newman, Northland Principle, speaking to Heather
last night, and he agreed with David Seymour in some
respects that we've all got a part to play in
tackling the likes of truantcy and other bad behavior that
we see in young people out in public these days,
but also that decline of the community. So can you
get your views, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
if there has been a decline in our communities, can

(42:54):
we get it back? And in your own neighborhood do
you know your neighbors? Do you know your neighbors children?
Is that something that still exists in parts of New
Zealand love to hear from you on O eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty get a.

Speaker 22 (43:05):
Pool, Yeah, Hayden not Silah has going.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Very good, very good.

Speaker 22 (43:10):
Look in my tape on the whole thing for the
community degradation is because of the Blemen fencing laws. You
have a look at most most houses have got huge
treat fences around them between one point eight and two
point five meters high, and nobody sees the Bloman neighbors.
Their neighborhoods are like prisons. Now you go down any
you go down any new subdivision and they got these

(43:30):
big fences down every place. Who actually gets to see
any neighbors. So your neighborhood's actually been taken out by
the fencing laws.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
It's a very good point, Paul, and I'll just there
was a Texter I was going to get to, but
he's made a similar point to you. I'll just read
it out. Says, none of our new houses have a
front porch or a road facing outdoor living area. If
they did, it would help create friendly neighborhoods. I did
a subdivision about thirty eight homes requiring a road facing
deck or veranda. All of the architects ignored the requirements.

(43:59):
The sub subdivision got a name for having weird covenants.
I wished it was pushed harder. But that's a similar
point to your ma, your making pull that the design
of the house and these fences that kind of block
out everything in the name of privacy has kind of
been to the detrimental of community spirit of course of.

Speaker 22 (44:18):
This, you know, because it's you know, kids, kids will
kids will play with kids if they can see them.
If they can't see them, they're not going to play
with them. That's going to set in front of their
screens and go because they come home a lot of
the time through the fences, and then that's that they're
in their little prisons. So I think this is crazy.
And all these infull home some of these sections you
know that two hundred and fifty to three hundred square

(44:39):
meters and they've got big fences around them. I mean
it's hardly it's hardly conducive for having a community where
nobody can see anybody and you don't really get to
get to know your neighbors.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Well, fair point, Paul, knock down the fences. I think
a lot of people would agree with that. Oh, e
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Thank you very much for giving us a buzz, Paul,
really nice to chat. A couple of texts to the break, Tyler,
I went to twenty seven different twenty seven different schools
before fifteen years old. I worked out all right, no excuses, chairs,

(45:11):
I'm glad you worked out all right. But twenty seven
schools before fifteen, I think many other kids who were
in that scenario may not have turned out as well
as you, dear text of but thank you very much.
And this one on the fence, it's called privacy. Fally, Yeah,
we love our privacy, don't we. But as a fair
point that all these fence covenants and rules kind of

(45:32):
means that you block everything else out, you don't want
to know your neighbors, but keen to hear from you.
On oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty It is twelve
pasts two back very shortly here on news Talks b.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Said, be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about
the decline of community spirit around the country. Does it
exist and if it does, what can we do to
turn that around? And do we all have a part
to play when it comes to truancy, when it comes
to the behavior of chu drown out in society? Have
you been in a position we've had to tell of
a child that was misbehaving. Love to hear from you

(46:14):
on eight hundred eight Michael, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (46:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (46:18):
Good good. So I've got five children, two boys, no
community so we lived up in the bush, but.

Speaker 8 (46:36):
We live.

Speaker 12 (46:38):
A long way from anybody else, right. My two boys,
the first one he got recommendations will never never missing
one day of school and that was like for three

(47:00):
four f h so years yep. And then the second boy,
I couldn't couldn't take them to school. I took him
to school, but.

Speaker 6 (47:13):
He just.

Speaker 12 (47:16):
Wagged, went around and had to talk to the head
teacher and basically they let him stay at school as
long as he was in the first fifteen rugby. Yeah,
and after that, yet, no, they kicked them out.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Well that is I mean, that's very interesting, Michael. So
one one child apparently loved school if he you know,
got awards for attendance levels and hardly took a day
of school. And the other child, you know, didn't like
school by the sounds of it, and wagged at every
chance they got. I mean, does that say more about
the you know, you've got two boys completely the opposite

(47:58):
in that respect, how they approached you know, the learning
in that scenario, as in, they both had different approach
is to schooling. And it's not so much about being
a bad kid, it's just how their brains worked.

Speaker 12 (48:16):
Yeah, No, you're you're right, because they both turned out really,
really good. The eldest ones in the army. It's going
to be fast trapped through the sniper.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
Whatever whatever.

Speaker 12 (48:36):
Well and yeah, and the second one, the one that waved,
he's married now two kids, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Well, I mean, yeah, so both of your both of
your boys turned out very well in the end, the
one with with great attendance who is now in the
army and looks to have an incredible career there, and
the other one married with two kids. But so where
do you sit on this? Michael? You mentioned before that
you lived rurally and you're very far away from your neighbors,
but I imagine there was still some community spirit there.

(49:10):
Did you know other people in your community? Did you
have gatherings down at you know, the local hall of
the pub? Did that exist?

Speaker 17 (49:17):
No?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
No, right, so you're very isolated.

Speaker 12 (49:21):
Yeah, yeah, and show the two boys. But I've got
three girls as well. And yeah, no, just I'm not
my arm's not called Tom Phillips.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Okay, that's good. Yeah, that's very good. Michael. Thank you
very much for giving us a bar. It's very interesting. Katie,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (49:47):
I'm good, Thank you, Michael. I've just got I've got
three points really, mainly about the community and how that's formed.
I think it's quite hard to form a community when
you've got a society where both parents have to work
in order to support their families. There's not much time
or energy left at the end of the day to
be looking outwards from seven seeing your own little home

(50:10):
and little environments. And I also think there's an element
of back in the day when everybody played in the
street together, no one had anything, so anything that was
there everyone was sharing. Now a lot of people seem
to feel guilty because they can't spend that time with
their children, and so they buy them things. So everybody's

(50:31):
got everything, but a lack of time maybe with their parents.
So it's quite hard to find that extra effort and
time to put into the community. The third point I'd
like to make is I have volunteered at stages for
different things, but it ends up being the same people

(50:52):
over and over again. You're not actually meeting your community
more and the others are out earning money while you're sacrificing.
And then they come in with all the flash tools
and you're sort of like, well, why would why would
I spend my time because of that?

Speaker 2 (51:08):
My hand up here, Katie, And look, I'm not a
parent yet hopefully one day soon. But when you talk
about that community involvement, and we were quite a strong
that community and some respects down in christ Juge, but
I didn't put my hand up too many times because
I looked at it as a chore. And I look
back at that thinking and say that was poor thinking, Tyler.
It's not a chore. It's actually getting to know many

(51:30):
members around your community. But you're quite right because one
I saw as it was work and I didn't have time,
and I had a full time job, and I was
very busy in other aspects of my life. And that
would be what a lot of people are facing at
the moment, Katie. As you say, both parents are working
very busy lives. There's a lot going on, and they
want to earn money to be able to provide these

(51:51):
nice things for their kids. That means that their ability
to volunteer in their community and get to know their
neighborhood is drastically reduced.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yep, it's a fair point. I mean. And when you've
done that volunteer work, I mean, did you get a
sense of joy in doing that that you did get
to know those neighbors that enjoyed volunteering as well, or
did it get to a point where it started to
become mature that you were too exhausted to put in

(52:22):
that energy anymore.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
A bit of both. It definitely did start to become
a chore because there's so few people doing it. So
I think back in the day where more people are volunteering,
you could do your small part, but because there's so
few people, it actually ends up being like an unpaid job. Yeah,
and so I sort of removed myself from that a
bit and just help out it with the school things

(52:45):
and things as I can, rather than being on committees
as such, which is a shame.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Can we turn that around, Katy?

Speaker 4 (52:54):
I definitely, I think so.

Speaker 13 (52:56):
Well.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
What I'd like to see is the government text like
the two you know, take an average for the two
adults incomes, and so take that is looking like a
team approach, so that it does give a little bit
more flex for someone to be more available in the community.
I work in health, and it's just the full down

(53:17):
to the community for everybody to have to look to
government services to take on the roles of what neighbors
would have previously. I find incredibly sad and loneliness is
more deadly than cigarettes, and I think as a society
we really need to start thinking about that and how
we're going to service each other. The amount of mental

(53:38):
illness is huge. The amount of loneliness is huge, and
then there's a truancy and things as well. A lot
of this stuff was looked after by communities, and I
think that's a real shame.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah, really good, cool, Thank you very much, Katie. And
you know, I agree with a lot of points Katie
was making their around community. It might sound like I'm
living in la la land here and fluffy thinking and
pine in the sky or roast into glasses, but it's
just the reality. Right as you mentioned, loneliness massive thing.
We've never been lonelier. When we've got more technology to

(54:13):
connect us with people, we're as lonely as we've ever been.
And that loss of community and loss of community spirit
and known your neighbors, the consequences and the ramifications for
that are widespread. And Katie mentioned there that a lot
of parents just don't have the time to volunteer and
get to know other members of their community, to take

(54:35):
pride and doing those things that make a neighborhood in
a street joyful. Just doesn't exist anymore. But can you
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Speaker 1 (55:51):
Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred
eighty eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Good Afternoon Mad is off today's back tomorrow. So I'm
flying solo and having a great discussion about the decline
of community and whether we, as upstanding members of our
neighborhoods and community have any part to play in dealing
with truancy and dealing with other problems of children in
the community. Tim, how are you? Oh well, Tyler, and

(56:18):
you're very good, my friend. What's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 17 (56:21):
Hey, sirs, you're doing a good job. Sale, Thank you mate.
I'm so this is that okay? David Seymour knowing he
seems like a pretty sound blank good idea, except for
approaching kids during school, I was, you know, if they're
walking down the street in not such a good idea,

(56:48):
you know, there's all Yeah, I think the only reason,
the only reason I would stop and going to a
kid because if they were in distress, you know, whether
they were getting bullied or something. You know, you could
see they were getting hassled by someone and probably seeing another,
don't you know, if they're in a stress situation with

(57:11):
an adult speaking to them, there would give be cause
to intervene to see what was going on.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah, and a lot of people would agree with to them.
I mean, just to expand on your first point. So
you're talking maybe they're older kids, and maybe there's a
whole bunch of them and they're doing something illegal, they
vandalizing something, or that they're up to no good. A
lot of people would feel that if they approached those
children and say something, it could backfire very badly on them,

(57:39):
that's what you're saying.

Speaker 17 (57:42):
Well, there's that. I hadn't quite considered it, but it's
absolutely right. Also, it could come back on the person
who's trying to do the right thing, which is all
you know. Ninety nine point nine percent of us would think, oh, yeah,
we'll get little Johnny squared away and back into school
because that's the right thing to do. Ye, But there's

(58:05):
some devious people out there, and having a conversation like
that with a they get on a street could turn
around on you quite bare the eye, would have thought,
if you you know, the retaliatory measure. Some people don't
take to being given advice very well. You know, you

(58:27):
know what I'm saying, I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
I do you know? And I suppose that that is
a big sorry. You carry on.

Speaker 17 (58:34):
You've got to be careful, no, yeah, you've got to
be careful in this world. So continue to do the
right thing where you can, and also maybe there should
be if there are people employed to be, you know,
target the main areas where these kids may be. Are
they going to maules, are they going to certain areas,
or have social workers walking the beat as it were.

(58:58):
At least they're authorized and they're covered, and they're probably
these events will be recorded so that nothing can come
back on them. So seems it's a good idea. Let's
keep keep their man yourself safe whilst doing it.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, it's a fair point and a lot of texts
have alluded to that that it is not like it
was twenty thirty forty years ago that if you did
get yelled at by an ad or told to buck
up or get back to school or stop misbehavior in public,
then you listened and you did that. Times have changed.
So thank you very much for your call and to

(59:36):
everybody else who phoned and text on that discussion. Really
enjoyed it. But we're going to change tech after the
headlines coming up, I do want to have a chat
about tiny homes. Some confusion when it comes to the
regulations around tiny homes on wheels or not. There are
differences between districts and councils on how they view a
tiny home that is on wills, some classroom as vehicles,

(59:58):
some classroom as buildings, and if it is class as
a building, that means that you more likely than not
have to go through a lengthy, lengthy consent process. So
really can have a chat with you if you've gone
down the path of a tiny home on your land,
Really keen to a check with you on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. How hard was it? Did you have
to jump through a bunch of hoops? Did the council

(01:00:19):
question it when you chucked it on wheels? Really keen
to hear your experiences. And if you tried to borrow
money for a tiny home. I have heard many people
struggling to get a loan when they are looking at
a tiny home, and that is just the reality. The
only option for a lot of people out there at
the moment is they might not have the deposit or
the money for a standalone house, so they're looking at
the tiny home and it appears to be quite challenging

(01:00:40):
to get that over the line. So really keen to
get your stories. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you want to tax nine
two ninety two is that number and my email Tyler
at newstalk zb dot co dot ends it. It's twenty
nine two three.

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to Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean and I want to
have a chat about tiny holmes. It was a great
discussion last ninety minutes, so thank you very much to
everyone who phoned and called about the decline in the community.
But tiny homes are back in the news. So a
growing number of tiny homes on wheels are appearing on
sections and landscapes around New Zealand. The interpretation of the
rules around these tiny homes has varied between districts and councils,

(01:02:38):
so particularly to whether they are a vehicle, classes a
vehicle or classed as a building. If they are classed
as a building, they're more often than not you've got
to go through a lengths lengthy council consent process. So
owners of these tiny homes are calling for clarity and
consistency and even these new granny flat rules that are
likely to come into force next year won't help. Indications

(01:03:01):
from ministers suggest the situation will remain as it is.
So really keen to hear from you if you have
had an experience with trying to build a tiny home
or get a tiny home on your property. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. It does seem ridiculous that the
regulations differ between councils. Consistency I think would be key

(01:03:21):
here where if you've got a tiny home in Canterbury
they look to class that as a building rather than
a vehicle, and a Masterton they classes as a vehicle.
I mean that is that is ludicrous. So if you've
had to jump through significant hoops to get a tiny
home built or on your property, love to hear from you.
On eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I've had heard from

(01:03:44):
people who have tried to get a loan from their
bank to get into a tiny home incredibly difficult, in
fact nigh on and possible to get a mortgage. They've
had to go the personal loan route because again the
banks class it as a vehicle rather than a building.
And when you've got many many people out there in

(01:04:04):
New Zealand that do not have enough of a deposit
or an not enough financial position to buy a standalone house.
I would have thought getting into a tiny home would
be encouraged. But keen to get your stories about tiny homes. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It certainly exploded in
recent years, a massive trend of tiny home building. I'm

(01:04:27):
really going to hear from you on this one, but
let's go to Cheryl. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
Cheryl?

Speaker 23 (01:04:32):
Oh, very well, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
I'm very well. You've got a tiny home?

Speaker 17 (01:04:37):
Is that right?

Speaker 15 (01:04:38):
Yes?

Speaker 23 (01:04:38):
So I was looking around for a tiny home and
I eventually settled on one that I bought it and
now well here and I was get it by them
because they said they were actually selling quite a few
of them. They were on wheel, and so there was
no restrictions as to where I parted it. It was

(01:05:00):
being treated as a vehicle. So I checked with my
counsel and the lady on the site. First of all,
she said, I, yes, you would need one, But when
she realized that it was on a wheel, she said, no,
that's classified as a trailer and I wouldn't need it. Right, So,
when you had purchased it, put it on the front
of my daughter's section. Within a week, we've got somebody

(01:05:23):
reported and said that there was a tiny home there
and we got told that I had to stop any
type of connecting power or anything to the house. Took
over a year of my house sitting there. They wouldn't
let me move in. They were threatening me that I
would have to take it off the section. It was

(01:05:46):
registered as a trailer. It's warranted as a trailer. The
insurance can't say that didn't meet their definition of a resident.
So it was insured as a trailer. I phoned up
rocket coach party and they said the only thing that
they needed to know is can it be told? And

(01:06:06):
I said yes, And they said does it have a drawbout?
And that's the only way I could be moved in
ninety years. They said that trailer. My council was saying
that it was a resident and I had to go
through the coats and had to have a get a

(01:06:27):
resource and it took there for a year before I
could move into Bahim.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
And so see there's where the confusion lies. Shell So
was a house in New Zealand that said that was
a trailer and a vehicle, then your local councils say
no it's a building. You've got to come to us
to get a consent, which is a mass of pain.
Everybody knows that, to try and go through their process,
and they've got to come out, they've got to inspect
it and all that sort of p lava. And so
it took a year for you to get that consent

(01:06:54):
before finally the council left you alone.

Speaker 23 (01:06:57):
Well I think they were sick of me and my tears.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Well, I mean, you know, this is a ridiculousness of it, though,
wasn't it, Cheryl that? I mean, you've wasted a year
of your time in life. That's a year of god
knows how many man hours at the council trying to
deal with that plava. It is just such a waste
of time.

Speaker 13 (01:07:18):
Oh yeah, it is.

Speaker 23 (01:07:19):
Because then I actually went round and I find out
a lot of the councils around me, from here down
to Taraniki to all the one you know, fairly close
to here, and everybody had a different idea or they
had no idea. And I think that's what's happening. You know,
these tiny homes are exploding on the out of the community.

(01:07:41):
Now the councils haven't caught up with it, and they're
just making their own rules. You know what summer say,
you say a vehicle, others are saying, no, it's a residence.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Yeah, how's the tiny home going now? Now that you've
finally dealt with that crazy?

Speaker 23 (01:07:56):
Absolutely, it's absolutely beautiful. You know, I'm really liking it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
How many bedrooms?

Speaker 23 (01:08:02):
Well, it's only a little late G three, so it's got.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
A week bedroom, a nice little loungeria, bit of a kitchen.

Speaker 23 (01:08:08):
In a lands kitchen, the area and it's got to
be big, but.

Speaker 15 (01:08:13):
Shower and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
What did you pay for it? If you don't mind
me asking?

Speaker 23 (01:08:17):
Shelley semi out And I was caught the same with
a lot of people banks and and unterested for the
main reason that I don't own the land and it
was going on. If I owned the land that the
tiny home was going on, it would not have been
a problem because I was putting it on my daughter's section.
There was nothing and I was lucky and I had

(01:08:37):
enough my key savor to buy it outright.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
So yeah, well, Shelley, thank you very much. But you've
illustrated the point of this story, and my point very
well that this is this is crazy that nobody can
agree on whether it's a vehicle vehicle or not, but
I think it should be consistent across the country. But
if it's on wheels, it should be a vehicle. And
they should be making it easy to get tiny homes.
Like you're set up right that there are many people

(01:09:03):
that struggle to get into a standalone house for whatever reason.
You know, financial crimes happen in people's lives, and if
you've got, in your case, seventy five thousand dollars to
put into a tiny home that suits you perfectly, they
should be making that as easy as possible.

Speaker 23 (01:09:17):
Exactly because they decided the housing crimes us out there.
People are trying to find their own solutions to us,
and the cattle are just making it so difficult for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Yeah, Cheryl, thank you very much for giving us a
buzz and kicking us off on this one. I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're in a tiny home,
love to hear from you. How much did it cost?
How many bedrooms do you get out of it? Was
it easy to set up? Is it on wheels? Did
you have fights with your counsel it was? It has
been a massive trend over the past few years for
obvious reasons, and just on the size of the home.

(01:09:47):
If you're living in a tiny home and you're a
bit nervous about the size of it, you've found out
it is perfect. Really keen to have a chat with
you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I do think
sometimes the size of our homes that we live in
too big, too big, And if you perhaps are downsizing,

(01:10:08):
what wrong with the tiny home? You've got one bedroom,
nice little lounge, bit of a kitchen, bathroom, so you
need isn't it? Can to have a chat with you. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Mart Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons used talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Good afternoon to you. We're talking about tiny homes. There
is a little bit of anger, frustration, confusion about the
regulations for tiny homes across the country when those tiny
homes are on wheels, whether they are moved around on
a regular basis or not. If you're in a tiny home,
love to hear from you, but the frustration lies in
how the council classifies that tiny home. Some councils see

(01:10:49):
it as a vehicle, which means no consent is needed,
and some see it as a structure or a building,
which means more often than not you've got to go
through a lengthy consent process to get it over the line.
So can you get your views on this? So eight
hundred eighty ten eighty there are a significant cause for
consistency around the country on that. But also with the
new granny flat rules that are likely to come into

(01:11:12):
force next year, doesn't make any sense that there is
confusion and inconsistency with these tiny homes. Effectively, a tiny
home would be a granny flat, right, So if it's
going to be okay for a granny flat to be
able to be built out on your land without needing consent,
then surely the same should apply to tiny homes, right
Because as it stands at the moment, it doesn't look

(01:11:33):
like that will happen. Indications from ministers suggest the situations
with tiny homes will remain as it is. So really
can you hear from you? Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty Jason, get a mate? O? How you going
very good? You sell tiny homes?

Speaker 24 (01:11:50):
I do but just to add to fire to the same,
I sell transportable homes. They're actually converted shipping containers, right,
so container homes.

Speaker 17 (01:12:00):
But they.

Speaker 24 (01:12:02):
They fit the description of everything, and it depends which
counsel you're with. We sell them based out of Auckland,
so they fit the They don't need consent based on
their size, but because they've got plumbing, and then the
council tend to be more worried about how you connect
as opposed to the size of the building and everything
else to do with it. Right, definition wise, they class

(01:12:27):
them as transportable. Depends who you get on the phone,
some of the thoughts some of the other callers have
been moaning about depending on.

Speaker 14 (01:12:33):
Who you get.

Speaker 24 (01:12:34):
They've all got their own individual definitions and the rules
as written by the councils or just they're open for
interpretation if you can argue it the right way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
And so, and here is where the frustration lies, Jason,
and you're in the industry, you're right in the middle
of this. So is there an easy way to get
consistency here? I mean, does there need to be clarification
about tiny home? If it's got wheels, it should be
classified as a vehicle by all councils or is it
not that simple?

Speaker 24 (01:13:03):
It is that simple, depending on who the council is
you're dealing with, and not to get too many secrets
away with what we've done, but we've managed to put
wheels on a container just to call it transportable, and
that got it over the line with a council member
that said they wanted it to be transportable. That's how
ridiculous that one instance was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
That's crazy. And I suppose you know I mentioned before
Jason that I've heard from people who didn't quite have
the deposital money to get a standalone house, so they
wanted to get a tiny home that was going to
suit them perfectly. That's all they needed. But even going
to a bank to try and get a loan incredibly
difficult because the bank is going by the regulations of
the council and what it is classified, whether it is

(01:13:44):
a vehicle or a building.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
Is that your understanding correct.

Speaker 24 (01:13:49):
So we've had the only time we've had a bit
of a sideline to that is people have been able
to withdraw their kV saver towards the first home. Not
all the time, depending on your provider, but I've had
two purchases that had enough in their kV saver to
buy one outright pouser bit not quite as expensive as
some homes, but they Yeah, I'm not advertising it, but

(01:14:11):
you know what I mean. Yeah, so they've managed to
use their chemi salver instead of a deposit. They've purchased outright.
The only alternative for us, because people have been knocked
back by the bank and they don't want to go
down personal loans, is finance, which we do set up
with them. But again it's you know, you end up
paying horrendous amounts of interest and things like that compared
to if you had a mortgage. So yeah, yeah, we're

(01:14:33):
just in the middle of it. Once it's similar to
selling a car once it goes off the yard. We've
done everything we can to facilitate a happy ending for them,
so to speak, but what happens between them and the
council tends to be their issue.

Speaker 17 (01:14:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
So I'm just reading some more of this article at
the moment, Jason. It's pretty clear what side of the
leads you you fit on, and I agree with you.
But Chris Penk Minister construction Minister, said there were no
current plans to add buildings with wheels to the granny
flat Bill, which was expected to be introduced to Parliament shortly.
That would frustrate you, wouldn't it that a tiny home,
whether it's on wheels or not, should be classified similar

(01:15:08):
to a granny flat under this new legislation that you
can build a standalone structure to a certain requirement or
certain size without needing consent. That would make sense, wouldn't
it correct?

Speaker 24 (01:15:21):
And to be fair, our product falls under that. So
we've got container homes. We also have the expandable home,
which is quite popular. So it starts starts its life
as a shipping container bought the shape of and then
turns into a two bedroom unit when it's finished. It
looks like a granny flat for all intents and purposes,
but it's still under the sixty square meter scenario. All

(01:15:41):
of those sort of things, the hurdles that we or
most people get thrown in front of them, we tend
to be able to get over those. And we've also
got the paperwork that backs it all up. So electrical
certification is one issue. You need to make sure that
it's signed off by a certified news on smokey and
the internal plumbing for us needs to be signed off
before we transport it to a site. Right once it

(01:16:02):
gets to site, the connection between building and site becomes
the customer's problem. And that's where they having drums or
the council. Yeah, in our experience, I can't speak for
all suppliers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
But over to you, did you want to give a
plug for your business? Jason?

Speaker 18 (01:16:19):
Sure?

Speaker 24 (01:16:19):
So Most Spaces is the name of the company. We're
in Kobia State Highway sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
And how do people get ahold of you? Find out
more information?

Speaker 24 (01:16:27):
You've got a website most spaces dot co do doudim
z or our Facebook page is probably a better representation
of our products.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Yeah, great stuff.

Speaker 24 (01:16:37):
But otherwise, yeah, we've got show homes there.

Speaker 6 (01:16:39):
Come on down, love it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Jason, thank you very much for giving us a buzz awesome.
Thanks thanks mate. It is eight minutes to three, a
little bit late here, but really, can you hear from
you if you live in a tiny homer, you've gone
through a process. You purchased one and turned into a
bit of a night when you're trying to get consent
from a council or fights over whether it was a
vehicle or a standalone structure. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is seven

(01:17:01):
to three, the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Issues that affect you and a bit of fun along
the way. Matd Heathen Taylor Adams Dudes News Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
It is five to three and we're talking about tiny
homes and regulations that appeared to be different depending on
what council area you fall into a quick couple of texts,
but we're going to pick this back up after the
three o'clock news. Tylers, stop the nonsense. Council doesn't make
the rules.

Speaker 14 (01:17:25):
Rea.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
What's a vehicle? What isn't It's written in the New
Zealand Building Act as defined by Parliament. Again, a grandy
flat in a tiny home, it can also be a
granny flat. Just need to sort out the trance the
transport issue. But Texter, I'll just reach out some of
the quotes from those in the tiny home game. So

(01:17:47):
in some places this is from Classic Affordable Cabins direct
to Greg Cooper. He says, in some places the council's
coming to look at the tiny homes and say they'll
find In other places they say they need to be
on piles and have consent. We thought that decision from
twenty fifteen made it pretty clear, but it does not.
There is inconsistency up and down the country. And I
mentioned again Chris Pink, the Building Minister, said there were

(01:18:08):
no current plans to add buildings with wheels to the
Granny Flat Bill which was expected to be introduced to
Parliament shortly. So still some confusion around tiny homes. Can
you get your views though? Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty if you're in a tiny home, love to
hear from you, New sport and weather on its way.
You're listening to just Tyler today. Matt is off today

(01:18:28):
but he will be back with us tomorrow. But really
great to have your company. It is four minutes to three.
Back very shortly again bagin planner you ban again.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Matt
Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebbe.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Afternoon to you, welcome back into the program. Seven pass
three matter off today he had a long standing appointment
that was sorted out LCE ago, but he will be
back with us tomorrow. So looking forward to having Maddie
back with us. So me silent flying solo, hopefully before
the end of the shelt four o'clock, and I want
to have a chat about something that's going on in
my life and I'm not too sure how I feel

(01:19:25):
about it. It's a neighbor who has been burning things
in their backyard. It's all I'll say for now, but
I do want to hopefully have a chat about that
before the end of this hour. But let's get back
to our discussion on tiny homes. We have been discussing
tiny homes because there's frustration within the industry about the

(01:19:46):
inconsistencies of regulations between various districts and councils. Some councils
see tiny homes on wheels as vehicles, others see them
as structures or buildings. And of course, if they are
classified as a building or a structure, then that means
that you have to go through a lengthy consent process
when trying to establish those buildings on property. So love

(01:20:07):
to hear from you. So if you're in a tiny
house O. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty, have you had
to jump through hoops to try and get that established
on your property? Quick text here before we go back
to the phone, Tyler the wheels are irrelevant. If it's
hooked up to services and designed to permanently live in.
It is a house in caps. A caravan moves and
utilizers utilities designed for it. Tiny homes add to services

(01:20:30):
water and sewer overloading systems once you have enough without
paying for those services. Thank you very much for that text,
and I absolutely get your point there. But when we
look at this granny flat legislation that appears to be
introduced to Parliament shortly, that is according to Chris Pink,
Building Minister, and they're under that legislation a granny flat

(01:20:53):
of a certain size will not need consent. Then surely
a tiny home would fall under that as well, wouldn't
it can hear from you? Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call Ingridge. You live in
a tiny house?

Speaker 16 (01:21:06):
Hi, Chyler, Yes I do. I love with my family.
There's three of us and we were I guess you
could call us early adopters. We've been living in one
and since twenty eighteen in Hawk's Bay. It's been fantastic
because when we came back from the UK, we were
horrified at house prices and so we couldn't afford to
get onto the ladder, and we didn't want to rent,
so we thought, why don't we just do the tiny

(01:21:27):
house thing and down five and we're now in the process,
so we're leasing land and that's where the wheels were
great because we didn't own land, so we could have
a transportable tiny house. They call them fos tiny houses
on wheels, And we're now in the process of acquiring
land and then wondering what to do with the tiny house.
So because we've been living off grid and not connected

(01:21:51):
to council services, they've left us alone. But as soon
as we put it on to land it's zones residential
and connecting up to septic or syage i should say,
and water, then then it's a very gray area. And
so according to the council, what they've said is if
it has a kitchen with possible water and we have

(01:22:14):
just a normal toilet, then it can be potentially a building.
So there's no consistency across the council. Yeah, so I
think it's literally And also the other thing is that
the tiny house is built to go on the road,
even though it's not transported around like a caravan, and
so it has a separate set of guidelines that's got

(01:22:34):
to achieve with height and weight and witth and so on,
So that does then conflict with a building code. So
it's a really tricky situation.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
It does sound like you're almost a no man's land
and also frustrating ingrid that you've gone to the council
to say, okay, what is the situation here and they
haven't really given you a clear answer. I mean, that
just boggles the mind. And like, you know, I understand
that sometimes regulation, you know, you need to get somebody
around to have a look to make a determination. But
I thought it was something like this, particularly with the

(01:23:04):
granny flat legislation coming into effect potentially next year, that
this would be pretty clear cut for councils to be
able to give a determination over the phone.

Speaker 16 (01:23:13):
Apparently they sat around the bardroom and had a discussion
and said, what is it a their color is it
a building? And it really depends on who you get
on the day. I wish it was more clearly defined.
But then at the same time, people like to not
be sort of tied down with lots of red tape
and all that sort of stuff. So you'll find in
the community and I'm quite close to other people who

(01:23:34):
live in tiny houses. I know that you know, people
who have built their own, which is what we have done,
right through to people who are making them commercially. We
tend to be kind of rural, off grid and living
below the radio I suppose you could see. And partly
that's because if you don't own the land, why would
you want to go through the whole process of consent

(01:23:55):
And that's really expensive. So yeah, we tend to be
a little bit of a transient thing, you know, we
like not quite gypsies, but yeah, it's really interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Yeah, and I can see where the frustration is coming from.
Had Jason, who builds tiny homes call in and quite rightly,
you know, unless there is clarity and consistency, very difficult
for people who build these homes because then you've got
to bring the building code into it. If it is
classified as a structure, then you've got different legislation that

(01:24:25):
you need to abide by. The whole thing is just
seems incredibly messy. But with the tiny home lifestyle, clearly
you're loving it. Is that is that something that you're
going to.

Speaker 23 (01:24:35):
Start do with?

Speaker 25 (01:24:35):
Yeah, No, I've actually I loved it so much that
I ended up going and doing a design degree looking
to make tiny house furniture because obviously you're downsizing and
normal furniture doesn't sit in a tiny house, and we
don't want to be living.

Speaker 16 (01:24:47):
With late, you know, like with a caravan where you've
got sort of like it doesn't really feel homely. So
for people who've not actually been into a tiny house,
and there's probably less than these people who is, you know,
like people are kind of more interested now than when
we first got into it. They are literally a house
squished down into thirty square meters, so you know, you've

(01:25:07):
got dishwasher and the washer dryer and all the mod cons,
but it's just a smaller version of what other people have.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Yeah, how many children do you have, Ingrid, I've just
got the.

Speaker 16 (01:25:19):
One teenage daughter and then we've got a separate sleepout
which allows to have the extra space because when she
was little it was fine in the thirty square meters,
but as she's grown with needed more space.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Yeah, but just with that space that you've got, now,
clearly you've learnt to accommodate for that. Do you think,
okayse I reached the point before that maybe for a
lot of us, we tend to try and go for
big homes with you know, space that we don't really need.
Is that kind of your thinking now that you're in
a tiny oo.

Speaker 16 (01:25:47):
Yeah, there's I think a lot of people that I
know that they support the minimalist movement. So you go
from you know things materialism makes you happy, and then
when you move into a tiny house, you have to
be quite specific about what you take with you because
you literally have to downsize and get rid of stuff,
and then you find things that do make you happy,
you have just those around you, and then you've got

(01:26:08):
more disposable and come to go and do things with
your family because you're not paying off a high mortgage
and you're not filling it with stuff as well. So
if you start off with more of a blank canvas
than something that maybe is like one hundred square meters,
you've got to sort it up with stuff. We've done
the opposite. We've got too many things. You've got to
try and get rid of them. And I think it's
actually quite cathartic to do that process.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yeah, good on you. I love it. I mean, look,
it won't be for everybody, and grip it clearly. It
it's worked out very well for you, and there'll be
many other people out there listening saying I love the idea,
which brings us back to the point of this discussion.
Just make it a bit easier for people to do this.
Thank you very much for giving us a buzz ingrid.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call this Texas, says Tyler. Calling a tiny home

(01:26:54):
a vehicle is clearly just taking the piss and trying
to subvert the rules to avoid paying your fair Sheit
takes some accountability, says Gary, and Craig says, does anyone
really want suburbs full of these li's all boxes? We
moan on the cookie cut of style homes? So what
the hell will this look like years from now, specifically

(01:27:16):
once they age from Craig, I hear your point, Craig,
but what I'd say, Oh God, hate that phrase. I
you know, there would be a lot of people that
would have these tiny homes at the back of their
own sections. So it goes back to the granny flat
situation and the legislation that will come into effect at
some stage next year. If you want to have a

(01:27:36):
little tiny home in the back of your property, or
a granny flat. It's your land. And if you've got
a family member that can make use of that tiny home,
isn't that something we want to encourage and try and
make it easy and cut all this crap red tape
and stop people like Sheryl who called an earliest been
in a year of her life and god knows how
many man hours at her local council trying to get

(01:27:58):
consent for her tiny home. Just my thoughts. So one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is sixteen past three, good afternoon, eighteen past three,
and we've been having a chat about tiny homes. There's
a lot of frustration within the tiny home community and
industry about a lack of consistency council to council and
how they classify what a tiny home is. Is it
a vehicle if it's got wheels, or is it a

(01:28:19):
building if it is a building? There and more often
than not, you've got to go through a lengthy consent process.
But where do you say all right? There's a lot
of texts coming through saying that some tiny home owners
appear to be trying to take the piss that if
it's on wheels. They skirt around some of the regulations
of council that other standalone home owners have to go through.

(01:28:39):
So if you're in that argument, love to hear from
you on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, But
if you're living in a tiny home at the moment,
really can to have a chat with you. Ross. How
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (01:28:51):
Yeah, good things, sir Tyler. Yes, so you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Live in a tiny home.

Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
Yes, I'm I live in Queenstown and I'm living in
a tiny home. It's one of these that pop out
the side. But what Jason has done, but what I've
done now is sort of importing them myself. Right, but
we're yes. So basically what Jason and Ingrid have said
is right. The count I've been working with council down
here and as soon as you're hooking to their services,

(01:29:17):
that's when you know, it opens up the door for
them to question what is it you're hooking into so
on advice of what them. So what we've done to rectify,
to simplify for councils is we've gone down the process
of meeting the building codes, which has been a big process.
So like for instance, heating fire or so the electrical

(01:29:39):
and meeting the building code. Now these houses that you
bring in do not meet the building code. So what
we've had to do is gone back to the manufacturers.
We've got employee AU structural engineer in New Zealand here
to tell us what we need to do so we
do meet the building code and they've gave it us
quite a long recommendation of what needs to be done.

(01:30:00):
So we've gone back to our manufacturer and says, hey,
can this be done And the answer is yes, it
can be done with their costs. But you know that's
something that we feel and council said, if you do
all that, it makes their job a lot easier because
then they treat it as a building than rather even
though airs is not on wheels, they're dropped off by

(01:30:21):
high abb but their definition is that's still transportable because
it can be folded up and moved within a day.
But their problem is because you're looking into their services
and they deem it is sort of like a house,
then you do have to meet their codes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Then is a fair point ross And look, I've been
laying into councils over the last hour, but I get
the argument that if they are signing these things off
or they have knowledge that these exist within their area,
then they can be held liable if something goes wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:30:55):
That's correct. And see he said to us, because normally
when you build a house, they come on site, you know,
four or five times six times, you know, while you're building,
and they look at the structure before you put the ply. Now,
because of these these built over seas or whatever, they
don't get to see and that, like he said, we're
not going to make you pull up the pieces. So
we need you ones to say that they are up

(01:31:18):
to structural you know, for New Zealand standards and so
and then it becomes more difficult because every region has
different zones. And what I mean by zones is like
Auckland is quite a a low zone. We're down south here,
like Queenstown Gore in v Cargo Way is very high
because they get high winds and high snow loadings. So

(01:31:40):
then the zoning is a lot tougher on building structures.
So what we've done is because we're in Queenstown is
one of the higher zones, so we've got it to
the Queenstown zoning right rating, if you know what I mean,
which is a snow and wind. So that means if
you send one to Auckland, then you know you're well
and truly within the barriers of the building structure, the

(01:32:04):
building code and the building code is we found what
the council is the main one building in the electrical
code that they are the two gray years because they
are a metal box and they electrically they have to
be right, and so that's a big one. And also
the building code and.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
So down in Queenstan you'd have different insulation standards the
Northland as well, so that would come into it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
Yeah, and so so what they did is they did
a test on the heating because there's some paneling that's
very they're very warm. The only thing he's going to
be very mindful of them is they don't breathe, so
you've got to make sure we put extract to fans.
And also the other thing of all our units we
put fire detective systems in for smoke of arms. So

(01:32:47):
really so we're meeting the New Zealand Building Code and
we've spoken to a few councils and really they're they're
happy now because we've gone that extra yard, if you know,
but find that it's taken us four months and you
know a lot of money. Yeah, but you know, and
so this is you know, one of the reasons why

(01:33:08):
councils they're in the gray area because you know, and
like a few of you the Texas and you know,
as Jason and Nigrid said, you know that, you know,
soon as your hook into services, you know, then it
becomes councils that they want to know what it is.
And that's where the gray area comes into.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
So they don't care if you if you've got a
tiny home and you've got it on wheels, as long
as you don't hook up to the water or the
electrical bread, they couldn't give us stuff. It's only when
you start to tap into that, and then the question
of liability becomes a bit more.

Speaker 6 (01:33:39):
Complex, exactly. And like you said, it becomes because at
the end of the day, the last thing they want
saying Queen's down, we get a big dump in the
snow and you know, yes, they're happy with it, and
the snow hits the roof and collapses and somebody gets hurt,
the council and so well, hang it, sep, why has
that collapsed? You know? And council reliable see with what
we're doing now is it takes a liability away from

(01:34:01):
council because we've employed our structural engineer which signs off
now on them. But what she's has done a blanket
one and you know, and picked the zoning and so
then we've had to go to a manufacturer and they
had to design it and then send back the design plans.
Like I say, it's it's been a four month three

(01:34:23):
four month process and doing just the paperwork on it.
But council has sort of had a look at it
and yep, and so we've sort of picked the boxes
as far as this one protective Council is concerned and
say yes, it just takes away any responsibility on the
council's part.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Well, well run, well run on you guys for doing
you know, doing the work and the perseverance to make
sure it's done right.

Speaker 18 (01:34:45):
What's the name of your business, Ross, Yeah, that's Mountain Mods.

Speaker 6 (01:34:48):
Mountain Mods dot Nz is our company. We've just sort
of begun twelve fourteen months, but it's taken us while
to do all the paperwork you know and get it
or done.

Speaker 17 (01:34:58):
Yes on you?

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
And where do you import them from?

Speaker 6 (01:35:02):
China?

Speaker 19 (01:35:02):
Right?

Speaker 17 (01:35:03):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
And they said I'll take it. So they arrive in
a can set style, No.

Speaker 6 (01:35:07):
They fold out. Eon Musk was the original designers of these.
Surprising enough, I did didn't realize that. And yeah, and
so then trying of course copied and everything else. And yeah.
So the thing is that you talk about transport of
wheels and a lot of councils in a way that
wheels are irrelevant to a point. Because he looked at

(01:35:31):
theirs and said, you know, how quickly could you get
rid of this off the site? And I said, okay,
I haven't gone and and he said, well that's transportable. Yeah, yeah,
and I'll add and so really it's I've gone and
looked at the finance companies to see what how they
deemed them, and if you put a registration or serial
number on them, then like mot Trade Finance said, would

(01:35:53):
finance on them, because we were deemed as their mobile.
Even though yes, so their definition on wheels, you know,
sort of was a gray area too. But there is
councilors that we've been told that, you know, as a
few of them alluded to you to as it depends
on who you get, and you know, it's sort of
but as councils said, you know, yeah, you've just got

(01:36:15):
to say just keep on them and question them on it.
From a council go down in Queen's down here. He
just said that, you know, they are a gray area
and a lot of counselors don't understand them, and it's
just getting them around to to you know what's happening now.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Yeah, Ross, great to chat with you. Thank you very much.
Mountain moods dot dot z and well with a look
beautiful looking tiny homes. Ross, thank you very much. It
is twenty seven past three. Back very shortly here on
News Talks NB.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZEDV.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
George, good afternoon, very good. So you build tiny homes.

Speaker 5 (01:37:02):
Do you?

Speaker 16 (01:37:05):
Ol?

Speaker 7 (01:37:05):
High and hands?

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Oh now we're just it's cutting in and out a
little bit, but we'll carry on and see if it
rights itself. So I've got here you build tiny homes.
But I just missed what you said and caravans was it.
We might have to come back to you, George if
we can. And I'm just going to put you back
to Andrew and see if we can get that sordid

(01:37:29):
before the headline's coming up. Here, we'll see if we
can get George back quickly text here. Having just put
a cottage slash granny flat that cost us around forty
five thousand dollars for just the consents, et cetera. We
did look at a tiny home and due to the
concern about council changing their mind, et cetera, we wouldn't
go for it. But the forty five thousand dollars is

(01:37:49):
a fifth of the cost. That's from Julian. That is crazy. George,
we got your back, get a mate.

Speaker 14 (01:37:55):
Yep, there you gon't good.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Good. So let's start from the top. Yeah, so you
build tiny homes, you go for.

Speaker 14 (01:37:59):
It, sell higher end finance people in kens yep.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Right. And so looking at the frustration that the industry
is feeling about the lack of consistency between councils, is
that something you agree with?

Speaker 14 (01:38:12):
Yeah, there's there's a there's two sides to it. Like
that last call of that imports them from China, You're
always going to run into problems importing them from China
as far as quality goes. Not that Chinese built poor
quality material, poor quality product. But you're always going to
run into that type of scenario when you're importing that

(01:38:33):
particular product because you're not built you're not. It's not
built out a long run, it's not built out of
weather board, it's not better a still framing, it's not
built out of timber. It's generally built out of expanded
polystyrene panels, which is effectively just a chiller container.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Yeah, so for the for the Chinese market rather than
the New Zealand market, or certainly it's very broad rather
than specifically for us here.

Speaker 14 (01:38:54):
So that's why the councils can also have their heckles
up regarding it as well, because to be honest with you,
you can't tell me that a chili chill a chili
panel container is what you would call meeting the building code.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's that is very fair.

Speaker 14 (01:39:09):
You know what I mean. Yeah, So I've done all,
I've done all this. I've made plenty of mistakes and
I've gone through a lot of it. And so the
only problem with the councils is that when you tap
into their waste, if you're tapping into their manes, that's
when they generally have a problem. Whether it's on wheels
or skids. It does, it doesn't, It's irrelevant. It doesn't

(01:39:29):
matter because when you get the cabin to site, it
can't sit on the wheels anyway. It's got to be
jacked up and put on blocks and leveled anyway. So
whether it's on reels and it's irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
So it just quickly, George, because we don't have much time.
So as it stands now, if you've got a tiny home,
and as you say, it's irrelevant whether it's on wheels
or not, but sayd it is on wheels, it gets
classified as a vehicle as long as you're running off sold.

Speaker 14 (01:39:51):
Yeah, you can't. You can't toe these big, these big cabins.
They weighed between three and seven ton, so they can't.
You can't just pull up the VT and JED and
say chuck a waf on it. There is no cabin.
There is no cabin of that size in New Zealand
that has a waft on it. What happens is these
cabin companies, and this is like I can tell the truth.
These cabin companies have a normal trailer, right and then

(01:40:12):
they go to they just go to the local VT
n J and buy a cabin and buy a trailer plate, right,
and then they register it as a trailer, but none
of them have Warrener fitnesses on them.

Speaker 17 (01:40:21):
Zero.

Speaker 14 (01:40:21):
Yeah, that's just hogwash. Now you could put a warrant
on something there was maybe four point two by two
point four, such as just cabins. You know how they
toe them behind with the trailer. That's just little single groups.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (01:40:33):
Now all those ones can be warranted and regi ode
saying with one slightly bigger, but anything self contained generally,
it's unlikely you're going to have a warrant fitness on
it because it's too big and heavy to be towed.
It's over the gross mac mass vehicle weight to be
able to toe it with a vehicle in Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Makes a lot of sense, George. And as I say,
we're going to go about thirty seconds. But back to
the original topic of conversation and the frustration. But you
it sounds like you agree with the council as long
as the consistency. Yeah, the idea of calling them vehicles
is taking the mac.

Speaker 14 (01:41:05):
Yeah, that's it's horseshit. So the other thing is that
the councils need to understand that people have nowhere to live. Yeah,
so sometimes you've got no other So, yeah, they're going
to live in the tenth we'll sleep out under a tree. Exactly,
we'll sleep in a cabin. What would you rather do?

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 14 (01:41:20):
The other side of the councils need to pull their
heads in because all the councils around New Zealand there
are a bunch of parasites. They are a virus to
this country, just like the government. They're a virus, right,
So they need to stop mucking around with people's lives
and let people do what they need to do to
get ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Yep, nicely, see George. Yeah, and thank you very much, mate,
And I'll give you the same courtesy. Did you want
to mention your business?

Speaker 6 (01:41:44):
Hell?

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Though, fair enough, La, it's probably wise. Cheers mate. That
was a great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone
who called and phoned on that. Look, I get it
to George's point, and here to crack at everybody, so
fair enough. But when it comes to these tiny homes
and this new granny flat legislation that's going to come
in effectively, as I see it, if you take the

(01:42:06):
tiny homes of the off the whorld and you establish
them as a permanent structure, then it becomes a granny flat,
and then hopefully you're under the same legislation where you
don't have to muck around with crazy consents. But time
will tell on that one, because that legislation is still
to be introduced to parliament. Right coming up, I want
to have a quick chat about fires, backyard fires. There's

(01:42:28):
a neighbor of mine who enjoys burning things in the backyard,
and I just want to have a chat about the
ins and outs of whether there is some legal revenue
I can take to stop those particular neighbor burning things,
or whether it's fair call. I mean to be fear
of this neighbor. They are lovely neighbors. I don't know

(01:42:50):
their names, but they smile and they weigh from time
to time. I don't hang washing outside where they're fire is,
but other neighbors do, and I imagine that stirs up
a lot of hatred when their beautifully washed clothes get
a smoke infused with it. But I tried to look

(01:43:13):
up the legislation and it's a bit complex when it
comes to backyard fires, because I think this neighbor could
argue that it's a bit of a brazier situation. You
get a lot of people who run a pizza oven
situation to try and get around the legislation of no
backyard fires. Oh, you're just cooking a pizza, but really
it's just there for a fire. So petyard fires. Oh

(01:43:34):
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Am I just being
a bit of a car in here? Or is this
neighbor taking the mick really keen to chat with you
about backyard fires? Is it okay? Or do we need
to clamp down a little bit on neighbors like, oh God,
really keen to have a chat? I eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call headlines with

(01:43:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
Thank you very much, Railian. So, I just want to
have a chat about backyard fires. I've got a neighbor,
but lovely enough neighbors. I don't know their names, but
they seem like good people. They smile and way from
time to time. And you know, what more can you
ask from a neighbor Apart from the fact that they
like to burn things and what could be described as
a brazier, It tends to be garden rubbish, nothing too offensive,

(01:45:31):
nothing too toxic. And it wouldn't be an everyday situation,
but once every two weeks, once every month. They just
like having a bit of a burnoff, just a small
we burn off. So the question I've got to you
is is that an acceptable thing for neighbors to be doing,
not just an Auckland but around the country. And where

(01:45:54):
does the line? Where is the line between a brazier,
a pizza oven or just taking the mick. I mean,
I think it does upset some of my other neighbors
who hang their washing outside because they don't give a
heads up when they're going to burn the rubbish. They
just do it and sometimes they sit around having a yack.
So I think if I try to dob them into
the council, which I don't know if I'll do, but

(01:46:15):
if I try and dob them into the council, council
comes around, they can just say, oh, it's a brazier.
We're just having a bit of a fire brazier. It's
a social thing. So when do you sit on this one?
I hade hundred eighty ten eighty. I've just had a
look at the Auckland Council website and it differs between
councils but I'll just read out the information I've got
about outdoor fires and residential areas. Provided you meet general

(01:46:36):
fire safety conditions, you can use a small heating or
cooking fire such as gas or solid fuel barbecue. Yet
we get the barbecue thing, pizza oven, brazier, outdoor fireplace,
or a hungy. So there's loopholes you can get around this.
O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Plenty of texts coming through this one as well.

(01:46:57):
Get a Lisa, Hi, backyard fires, what do you reckon? Okay,
should I dob this neighbor? And they're nice enough neighbors,
But should I just give them away, knock on the
door and say, hey, your fires little but a little
bit out of hand to here?

Speaker 25 (01:47:09):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:47:09):
Good?

Speaker 8 (01:47:11):
Yeah you could, Hey, Like it's always nice to be,
you know, nice and kind with your neighbors because you
have to live next to them. Good point, But you know,
like it's not exactly.

Speaker 23 (01:47:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:47:23):
I think in neighborhoods where the houses are all close together,
I just don't really think there's a place for fires.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
Yeah and yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:47:31):
So I actually came home yesterday in the morning and
sort of looked over the fence and saw all the
smoke at the back of my house. Right it was
like two doors along and it was all the smoke
going up, but I couldn't see in their backyard, but
it was going up right side a building. And yeah,

(01:47:54):
so you didn't know if it was just someone having
a backyard fire or if it was actually something on fire.
And I couldn't see in there, so I actually called
the fire brigade.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Yeah, I'm not surprised, I mean, because you've had on
some Lisa is As I say, I don't know when
the neighbors are going to have, you know, light their fire,
their backyard fire, but I know about it because I
smell something burning and instantly I freak out a bit
and thinking, cheap is what is that? Something is on
fire outside? Is it on my property? Is there you know,

(01:48:25):
a neighbor's house that's gone up, until I realize, oh, okay,
it's the neighbor's burning some garden rubbish again, But it's not,
you know, it's that initial panic situation, think shit is
what is burning?

Speaker 8 (01:48:36):
Yeah? Exactly? Well, yeah, that's my fear. And I've actually
had two fires around my neighbor's house which actually nearly
burned the house. Don one nearly burned the house down,
and the other one was out on the street in
that plastic electrical bot that caught fire at three in
the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
There's a lot going on in your neighborhood in terms
of fires.

Speaker 23 (01:49:00):
Yeah, too much, it sounds like it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
So when it comes to a brazier, though, you reckon.
I mean that is that taking the because a lot
of people would try and do that loophole And I
know people who have set up pizza ovens and they've
never cooked a pizza in that in their life. They've
just built it because they can have a fire in
their backyard and get around council regulations. Do you think
that's taking the mick.

Speaker 8 (01:49:22):
It's tens really. I mean it's tricky, isn't it. I mean,
you know, like the fire could get away maybe and
then you know, buildings could boom down. I don't know.
It's a really hard one. But I'll tell you what
the fiber gave were amazing. They irang and by the
time I was hanging out that the you know, the
sirens were coming down the road.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
They are good people. Yeah, absolutely, I mean the fire
fire Service absolutely outstanding of what they do. Lisa, thank
you very much. Can you get your thoughts on this?
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty this Texter Tyler, you are
a bloody Karen, thank you very much. Keep those ticks
coming through. On nine to nine two do I dub
this neighbor and the nice enough neighbors? Perhaps they don't

(01:50:05):
know the local bylaws, but doesn't really matter. It is
a brazier, and unlike Lisa's situation, there's no immediate danger
to life and other. Is it really a problem? Can
you get your thoughts? Today's quarter to four.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
Even a fresh take on Talk Back, It's Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say On eight hundred
eighty eight Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
The Afternoon, it is twelve to four. Backyard fires yay
or nay? There's a neighbor next to us who likes
a backyard fire every now and again. Anything wrong with it? Peter?

Speaker 18 (01:50:40):
Hello, Charon, tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
I am very good and I'm outraged by these backyard
fires and some.

Speaker 26 (01:50:48):
Big You're one of those names that need to put
cotton around. Yeah, have you been honest? You would have
to be the owner.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
I do love a good fire and as I was
saying to to Andrew in the head break, these neighbors
are lovely. They're quite elderly, and quite often when they
start these fires, I don't give them grief, but I
just like to keep an eye on it, just in
case it gets a little bit out of control.

Speaker 22 (01:51:20):
Question, are the Are the embers at least thirty foot
high in the air?

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
No? No, not even closed. More fuel off your so
you can get a creep.

Speaker 26 (01:51:36):
The enders come well above defense. And you've got something
to complain about. And so you're probably you need new sheets,
and you've got little burn holes in them anyway, and.

Speaker 7 (01:51:52):
I blame them, And.

Speaker 26 (01:51:55):
What do we do recycling? I missed the old forty
four going dron in the backyard. You know, there was
great memories as a kid going down and filling it
up or wanting and follow it up.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
So I'm with you, Peter, and I had that as
a kid. We lived on an orchard and hope near Nelson.
We had that forty four gallon drum and that was
my favorite shaw man And that was a good job.
Loaded up with as much stuff as you could and
light it on fire and keep filling it with as
much wood and crap as you could. That was good.
That was a great job for a fourteen year old kid, Peter,

(01:52:27):
Thank you very much, mate. But you know, just back
to the neighbors. We live in close quarters, and you
know in summer when the grass is a bit fry,
you know. Look, I've grown up a bit, Peter, from
that fourteen year old kid that loved fires. Lee, how
are you great?

Speaker 12 (01:52:43):
Thanks?

Speaker 21 (01:52:43):
How are you good?

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Backyard fires? Where do you sit?

Speaker 20 (01:52:47):
It's an interesting one we had. We were renting and
we had a neighbor below us that had it and
hearing it. Whim had more shore counsel at the time
to find out whether they were legal or not. But
it was an incinerator and because it was in a
contained vessel, it was acceptable for them to actually do it,
so it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:53:04):
A problem, right yep.

Speaker 12 (01:53:06):
So we were just real good with her. Would give
us a heads up because if we had our.

Speaker 20 (01:53:10):
Windows open, it would go through the whole house. So
she just let us know and she was going to
do it till we close things off.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's fair enough. The more that we're talking
about this, Lee, I think why I've brought this up
is not because I want to shut down their backyard
burning fun. I think it's because I'd quite like to
do it as well as maybe get a brazier or
a pizza oven with the guys that I just liked
the idea of having an outdoor fire. Yeah, now, yeah,

(01:53:39):
this has just been under the under the cloak of
having a go at my neighbors, when in reality I
just want to do it myself. Lee, thank you very
much for giving me a buzz. Oh eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It
is nine to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons U
Storgs EDB on Newstalgs.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
EDB six to four. Josh, you want to have a
chat about braziers and outdoor fires. Where do you say? Okay?
You're are not okay?

Speaker 19 (01:54:11):
I think it's perfectly okay. I mean, I think it
depends on the immediate environment, like if you're tapped onto
another house, and probably a different story to be a
free standing house on your own property. But for example,
we we do them every two to three weeks just
with garden waste, but then we actually utilize that in

(01:54:32):
our combost to build up a combos and the nutriments
and that. Right, So it's not necessarily you know, burning
building waste and plastic and all of that sort of rubbish.
So I think I think it does also come down to,
you know, your intended use of the fire, because you're right,
it is a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Oh, it certainly is. You know, who doesn't like a
fire with a reason? Of course, you know, I can
get a little bit silly. But what part of the
country you and Josh? Are you in a city?

Speaker 19 (01:55:01):
Yep? So I was in sort of the middle of Henderson,
but now where we're a bit more rural out towards
the Helmville and gosh, some of the fires out here
are insane. Well, I do think there slightly different out there.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
Well, I just wonder because the thing that blew my
mind when I moved up to Auckland, been up here
six months now is you can't get rid of your
garden waste. There's no I mean, there's a tiny green bin,
but you're not going to stick branches and there are you.
So I imagine that's part of it, right, is there's
no real way to get rid of your garden waste
unless you load up a trailer and go down to
the dump and pay a lot a lot of money
for it. So you know, there's been a lot of
people saying burn it up.

Speaker 19 (01:55:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. And and like I heard you
saying earlier you had as a fun job when you're fourteen, Well,
it's the fun job my five year old and my
seven year old to see you see what else they
can find, you know, in the garden that's nice and
dry that they can help Dad get rid of.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Yes, yeah, yeah, love it, Josh, Thank you very much, mate,
And thanking everybody who called and phoned and helped me
out on that one. And as I said before, if
I've been honest, I think I just want my own
brazier on my own little fire pit. And someone mentioned
the smokeless fire pit from Wizard. I'll give that a look,
but I think that's me sort of Tyler. Next you're
going to try and ban the barbecue here. We can

(01:56:10):
have a chat about that tomorrow. Man is back tomorrow,
by the way, and thank you to everybody who gave
us a buzz. Really enjoyed today. We'll do it all
again tomorrow Friday until then have a great easing.

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