Full Show Podcast: 15 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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stories around the DNA issue and adoption. It's just a really, really,
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We missed it. It was last last Wednesday.

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Yeah, we overshot by what is it eleven days?

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Was that right?

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It was the seventh so about a week ago. Yeah,
about a week ago was our anniversary of doing the show.
So we missed it.

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Speaker 1 (01:01):
Love you the big stories, the leak issues, the big
trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Talk said me very good afternoon cheer. Welcome into a
Wednesday's show. Really good to have your company as always,
Thanks for giving us to listen. Hey you do it, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I am doing very well, Thank you, Tyler. Looking forward
to three hours of scintillating conversations on one hundred and
eighty ten eighty and nine to nine two the text
number as well.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
It's a big show for you. Now, just before we
get to that, I've got a very small confession to make.
I feel a bit guilty about it, and I don't
know if I should, so I'm going to keep it
as clean as possible. But it involves this year toilet
here that we've got at Z in me and yeah,
and because we don't have time, you know, you've got
to rush in there during the air break to do
the business, so to speak. So I went into one

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of the cubicles, and I always do a cursory flush beforehand.
It's just my thing, and I don't know why. I
just want to make a clean slate, so to speak.
Then it starts to bubble up and rise the water
and I realize this has been blocked. This is a
block toilet. Do I continue to use it or do
I alert the authorities that something has gone wrong here.

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So I ended up just doing what I needed to
do then walking away, oh and just pretending like I
was never there. So now there's there's a clog toilet.
I didn't clog it, by the way, that was already there.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Do you think you should have got the plunger out
and tried to get in there or reach down and
try and unclog it?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
A what I'm thinking, maybe I should off. You know,
I feel like a bit of a coward from just
walking away. I didn't cause the problem, but I could
have rectified the situation. Yeah, and I didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, well maybe you're doing it now. Is anyone that
cleans our bathrooms listening? There was a block urinal as well,
But you already were a coward because we went into
the bathroom together, right, Yeah, there was two urinals. I
went to the urinal and you skunk. You slunk off
to the to the cubicle.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I don't like doing there. You know there's only two urine.
We all know the rule. There's going to be a gap.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I don't want to litigate this on air, but I
was talking to you. We were talking about someone with
gossiping and I was talking loudly, and then I realized
you had gone off. You'd left me and gone to
the cubicle and I was just talking to myself and
someone that was washing their hands. I turned around. I
was like, where's Tyler gone?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
It's just my thing. Maybe anyway, someone will solve that problem. Actually,
Andrew has found a plunger for me to sort that out.
Later on on to today's show.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Look, someone says some of us are having lunch. You
did head.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, I'm sorry, mate, I'm sorry. Yeah, anyway, enjoyed that
lunch right after three o'clock. Jennifer Hanniston recently revealed in
an interview that she chose not to adopt a child
because she wanted her children to share her DNA. She's
been pretty open about her fertility journey. Recently, she said
she underwent multiple rounds of IVF over a span of
twenty years and it never quite worked out with heaving

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her own children. But her claim over the importance of
DNA when it comes to adoption it has sparked a
lot of debates.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, so she said, I don't want to adopt a
kid because I want a kid with my own DNA.
So is how important is that? Does it matter if
your kids have your DNA? This trivializes that. But I
love my dog. I love my dog.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Colin.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yep, he's listening right now. You're a good boy, Colin,
What a good boy. I left the radio on. But
he hasn't got my DNA.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
No, there's no shared DNA there.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
And yeah, but I love my kids and I wonder
how much of it is because they are half me.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, this is going to be an interesting chat. And
there be a lot of people listening who would have
thought about adoption or indeed did adopt a child themselves.
So that is after three o'clock, after two o'clock. Medical tourism,
it is absolutely booming in this country right now. Thousands
of key we are traveling overseas for a whole bunch
of things, either weight loss because cosmetic surgery and elective
surgeries as well. But behind the stories of surgery that's

(04:53):
gone well, there are stories of heartbreaking complications, long hospital stays,
and life altering consequences. The latest the story published today
a woman called Sherry. She spent twelve harroweing weeks in
hospital now depends on a feeding tube after a botched
strict surgery in Turkey.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
A gastric sleeve to SIDI. It's called a gastric sleeve.
I'm not sure exactly what that is, but it sounds gross.
I know lots of people that have done this medical
tourism and it's gone incredibly well. We've come back and
absolutely raved about it. Yeah, so have you one hundred
eighty ten eighty? Would that sounded really weird? Inner?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Have you?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Would you? What's w I get done? Undred hundred's eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Looking forward to that after two o'clock. But right now,
let's have a chat about hospitality. The latest report has
just been released. It does show a bit of a
boost to hospitality across the board one point four percent
in the year endto June. But that growth hasn't come
with its struggles, and it's not in every region that
is across the total New Zealand. But some regions are
obviously doing better than others. But the head of the

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Restaurant Association, Marissa Bidoir, she was on with Mike Hoskin
this morning and said, obviously there are a lot of
challenges they are still facing.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
We've seen record sales for the year, but that doesn't
necessarily mean record profits. The one point four percent revenue
growth that we've seen has really been eroded by rising costs.
Food prices are at four point six percent, wages continue
to climb, and insurance and rent have all gone up
as well. We are seeing some subdued numbers in terms
of diners. You her household budgets are constrained, but people

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are still dining out. They're just spending a bit less,
grabbing the shared plates. They still want to dine out.
Kiwi's love Hospital, and that's why our industry continues to
keep moving forward.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Some subdued, some some dude volume, great eggscent, love it. Yeah.
Where do you think she's from? Specifically, I think she's
from the United States, although she may be Canadian, in
which case should be offended. Anyway, that's not the point.
There is one indicator that is way down Tyler.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yes, so this is perhaps the best reflection of the
cost of living situation we're all facing at the moment.
Tipping tipping in New Zealand that has dropped a mass
of forty percent from last year.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Drop off in tipping. Yeah, yeah, and so I guess
I mean that has representative and actually got less money
to spend, and the first thing that's going to go
is tipping, right, yep, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Very true.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
As I said before, I'm a big fan of tipping,
huge fan of tipping. I think if you can forward it,
you should do it. In fact, in a downturn, I
believe in times when people are struggling and restaurants are
struggling to stay in business, I think that's the best
time to tip. If you've got a bit of money
floating around, help them out.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
If you love a restaurant and you enjoyed the service
and you want them to stick around, and you're not
broke yourself, then you had a little bit of tip's
pretty good, right, And you know, ideally it goes straight
to the person. Ideally it goes to the service staff.
That's that's you know, the person that's actually served you
and you've had the relationship with, not the actual relationship

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but our relationship, but back and forth. I mean, you
can have a relationship with there's nothing wrong with that, yep,
is but weird start paying them for that?

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Gon on topic here. What I mean is the person
that you've talked through the meal, you've had a joke with,
you've you've interacted, they've they've given you good service, then
what is wrong with that? I think tipping is good generosity,
it's and it's a way to increase the quality of service. Yeah,
but a lot of people seem to disagree with me.

(08:31):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty What.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Do you think there is a lot of pushback here
just on you know, the point you made about those
cafes you love. I think it's a very very fair point,
and that's probably where I don't do a lot of tipping.
I'll be up front here, but that is where.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
You're a shockingly stooly guy.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah. So yeah, I mean that's is it all, really,
doesn't it? But the place that I would hopefully tip
on occasion or more more often than not, would be
the cafes that I have a connection with because I
don't want to see them shut up shop and I
don't want to see them go go under, and I
might have a bit of an ongoing relationship with the
extra owners or certainly the staff as well, So that
would be a huge thing to keep those going well.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty What do you think
Guys in a country that is a minimum has a
minimum wage. Why are you only tipping hospitality staff? Example,
my wife works at Valentine's department store and gets minimum wage.
Why are you not tipping her? Why haven't I haven't
been into that department store?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I know security guards are on minium wage. Why are
you not tipping them? It's a very interesting point that
you raise, Texter, Yeah, come on through. Who should you
tip and who shouldn't you tip? In New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
It's a great question. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
tipping culture in New Zealand. Do we need to be
a bit more generous when we've had good service? Or
does the idea of it make you feel a bit uncomfortable?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Love to hear from you this TEXTA guy says, you
guys can be so immature?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Canby roll up? You are seeing bars?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well?

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I am always I mature. I can't, I can be
and I always am.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons, excused talks.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
It'd be eighteen past one. We're talking about tipping in
New Zealand. New Zealand. The latest Hospitality report shows that
tipping in New Zealand dropped forty percent on last year.
On average, I work in a French cafe and never
had a tip in four years. Secondly, that won't keep
a business alive, you noob this? Wow, I see a
French cafe, not the French cafe in Auckland. Okay, it's

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because I was at the French cafe in Auckland a
few weeks ago, maybe maybe a month.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Go so good. I dropped a tip there, did you. Yeah,
but the people that served me weren't the kind of
people that said secondly, that won't keep a business alive.
You noob ah, I don't know. You know that if
you if you're tipping a little, a little, a little
cafe or something, and you just get every time you
go in and you give them, give them a tip,
I think it could make a difference. Well yeah, I

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mean it does help, sure. I mean it's money coming in.
I mean I'm not going to ever be able to
tip enough to keep a business alive. I don't imagine,
just myself personally, but I can do my little bit,
you can, and maybe it will help morale as well
a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I won't keep the
business alive.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
You nob, I do like the word no, I'm not
going to say that. Yeah, now we'll move on from that. Oh,
one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call Teresa.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (11:24):
Hi there, Hi, Hello.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Hi Teresa. So you tip the people to do your names?

Speaker 8 (11:31):
I do.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
When they do my hoops, I make it your hoops. Absolutely?
Did you never know they might stickle somewhere really really
sensitive And I'm like, you know, do the old kickback?
But no, I think you know, a little bit of coffee.
They're gonna have a coffee with their lunch or something. Yeah,
ten bucks on top of a pedicure.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, And how long are you does it take to
get a petty court a pedicure Teresa?

Speaker 7 (11:57):
Anywhere from twenty to forty five minutes, depending on how
bad the hoops are.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
So they're spending quite a lot of time with you.
And you do you do you end up? Do you
go to the same people lot? Is it the same place?

Speaker 7 (12:09):
I do? And when I do? And when I and
I when I walk in, they kind of to me,
I'm gonna go I'm going to the kind of fight
over because they know I'm going to tip them.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, right, So do you think you get better service
because you tip?

Speaker 7 (12:24):
It's it's not the service, it's the consistency.

Speaker 9 (12:27):
That I like.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
How so, what do you mean?

Speaker 7 (12:30):
And I know they don't get I know they don't
get a lot of money. I know they don't get
a minimum wage. So even though ten dollars even to
help them out with that lunch with lunch that day.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, what do you mean by the what do you
mean by the consistency rather than the service? What do
you mean by the consistency?

Speaker 7 (12:43):
Oh? They always go above and beyond, you know, consistent
all the time. Like I'll be sitting next to somebody
and I go, yeah, well I got I got more
than that, you know what I mean? Yeah, and now
the persons, Yeah, I'm getting a little bit more than that,
a little bit longer the side. The stones are nice,
and the towels are a little bit. I get two

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tows that one just a little thing.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah. So and do you have a do you have
a conversation, because you know I was talking about before
hate you tend to tap people that you have some
kind of relationship with, You have some kind of conversation,
interaction more than just the transaction. So when when when
people are doing your your your hofs as you call
them you have, are you having a chat about life
and such.

Speaker 10 (13:29):
A web a wee.

Speaker 7 (13:30):
There's a little bit of a language barrier. Thank god
you have those new earbuds now so they can't really
talk too much about you, so you can actually understand
what they're saying. You drop on the whole conversation that's
going up throughout the salon. And it's pretty funny. Yeah,
I'm laughing. I don't think that. Yeah, so I'll apply.

(13:56):
I understand what you're saying. That's pretty funny. Those are
pretty pretty cool thing to.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Have in the wow sal What kind of things are
they saying? Teresa?

Speaker 7 (14:07):
Oh you know, this one doesn't get their feet done enough.
This disgusting teenagers are like ignoring their mama no respect.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
Just laugh.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's cool. And how do you pay the tip?
Is it additional thing? You slip cash or you slipt cash? Right, So, as.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
Soon as I sit down.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
At the start, that makes sense because then the absolutely
especially in New Zealand where a tip isn't a standard thing,
so it's you know, it's indicating that that's going to
happen and so, and then you pay the rest of
the bill with on easpost or something, you know. But
but the tips separate, and so you're getting to get
out a lot of you having to get out a

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lot of cash.

Speaker 7 (14:54):
Then I do I love cash. Cash is king. So
even when I do have dinner, when I go out
and have dinner, and I tip, because I lived in
the States for a long time, so that's just the
second nature to me. But the thing is, in the
States they get three dollars and twenty five cents an hour.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, that's what we just get.

Speaker 7 (15:15):
But so if I get a really good service or
the food is phenomenal, I'll go to the kitchen and
tip the head shift in the kitchen, I'll go to
the way way thanks very much. All, you know, just
hand it to the actual person that's that I've enjoyed
the experience. Is he any whip the kitchen? Yeah, they go,
I think, buy yourselves off a beer each or something

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at the end of the night, and they just go, oh,
you know, they're quite shocked.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Wow, that's a decent tip. If you're tipping a whole
kitchener beer.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, have a drink on me, just the chiefs.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, the ship, just just the shifts, right.

Speaker 7 (15:48):
They want to they want to give it to the
dishwasher them.

Speaker 11 (15:51):
That's fine, you know, that's entirely You don't know how
well you know, if your dishes didn't have any lipstick
marks on them, the place and whoever was, whoever's been
cleaning these dishes, they were so clean.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
I just want to flick your fift feet and how
do you think it look? Do? Do you fold it
up to me?

Speaker 12 (16:11):
No?

Speaker 2 (16:11):
You go sorry, Teresa.

Speaker 7 (16:14):
You know when like if it's really like when you
go out on Mother's Day or Father's Day and you
know that the dishes are just stacked. That why I'm
going back and tip the dishwasher.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh right? Is that awkwards to Theresa?

Speaker 7 (16:26):
That you know?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Do they You mentioned that there's a bit of shock
from them, but is there any sort of awkwardness?

Speaker 7 (16:31):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (16:32):
And so what do you do? You just got to
own it and say there well for them, because it's
not something that's off and done in New Zealand, particularly
going to back your house and saying love you work,
here's the money.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:43):
No, I'll tell you. The thing is seeing the looks
on their face that total appreciation goes goes along way.
It's an absolute genuine thank you smile. And you don't
get that a lot. You know, you don't get that
a lot. But when you go and you make the
effort to say and say thank you to somebody and
then just like like ten twenty bucks to go a

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long way, they ain't did a lot of money. That
smile on their face goes right to these and it's
just just it's just it's a good feeling and it's
nice to see that they're appreciated for the rest of
the day.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
And it's not just the money either. It's that someone's
gone out of their way to gesture that they appreciate
what they do, especially in New Zealand where it's it's
not expected. And so just in the way that you
tip tip Teresa, is that folded up note in your
hand sort of discreetly handed to the to the person.

Speaker 7 (17:37):
Absolutely, I just here you go. This is for you.
Thanks so much. You have a bear at the end
of the night, you know, with your buddies.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Something good on you, Teresa, and thanks for thanks.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
I have no problem just going in and I'm thinking
that I owned the place.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
You know, we can hear that. Absolutely love it. Teresa,
thank you very much for giving us a PAS one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
How would you feel about tipping culture in New Zealand?
Do you tip when you get phenomenal service? And do
we need to be a bit more generous when we
have sort of service?

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Brendan says. Earbuds translate languages. Yeah, they can. An amazing
piece of technology now where you can flick it on
and in real time someone speaks to you and it
will translate it into English.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah. How a incredible I mean, it's.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
The Babelfish from from the Hitchhugger's Guide to the Universe,
Hatchgger's gide to the Galaxy.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Come real, yea, it is fascinating.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
So what we're talking about, we're talking about tipping. Are
you for it or again?

Speaker 3 (18:31):
In New Zealand twenty six past one.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
The headlines and the hard questions, it's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (18:39):
We have seen those spending increase in hospital for the
last couple of months.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
There's something going on there. Do you know what it is?

Speaker 13 (18:44):
Is it tourism or is it locals just feed up
and they want a sandwich in the beer.

Speaker 6 (18:48):
From what we're seeing it as an uptake and tourism numbers,
which is such a positive sign for our industry and
very much welcomed.

Speaker 13 (18:55):
Is it the immigrant issue as well, in the sense
that are we over hospit?

Speaker 6 (18:59):
Look, I think, you know, hospitality is a very accessible
business model, but I think that's what makes it dynamic.

Speaker 14 (19:05):
That's why, as a consumer.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
Of hospitality, I know you're in a great possession. However,
as rask with that business right.

Speaker 13 (19:12):
On back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast
with a Vida News Talk z.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
B, very good afternoons. You we're talking about tipping in
New Zealand. It's down forty percent from last year according
to the Hospitality Association's latest report. What do you say?

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Teresa just before was a big fan of it. Craig
here as not. He says, we don't need tipping here
as workers are on minimum wage. They don't get paid
low wages like the States. Tipping the dishwasher that is
bloody stupid.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Says great, thank you very much for that.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Teams, what do you think about it? I mean, John, sorry, that's.

Speaker 9 (19:45):
Okay, buddy, I'm all for it. I mean, you know,
I I pay cash. My beer cost nine dollars ninety
so I just said, put the ten cent piece in
the in the jar. Generous wish they did, and you know,
urst three beers, sorry tours three times a week will
be in there. And you know, over a period of
about you know, ten months added up and and the

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beer went to ten dollars. So the end of the night,
I just gave him five backs, you know, in the jar.
So I don't think it's a bad thing. And you know,
I've always said good service were gone, and so yeah,
I think it's okay. I also also I agree with
you don't go with the American sister meet. I agree

(20:32):
with both both sides.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I got on you. So you've got a bit of
a name, as you got known as ten cent John
for a while there with your ten cent touch John.

Speaker 15 (20:40):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I was and you know, but
then that was a bit of fun, you know, I
mean it was more about having a good time rather
than you know, yeah, just.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
A little way to show you appreciation. Thank you so
much for your call. John. I remember as in a
bar in New York once I was there with my
mate Peers, and he kept on tipping the guy like
quarters and you know back then, I'm not sure if
it's the same, but it's a what was it's a
bucket beer. Basically you slip a bucket beer, right, yeah, right.
And then finally the guy behind the bar who looked
exactly at Bruce Springsteen wasn't Bruce Springstey, but it look

(21:16):
exactly like a young Bruce Bean said finally said to Pears,
you're killing me with these quarters.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Man, you're killing me with these quarters. Just give them
a noe yeer. Come on, man, I love that all right?
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call tipping in New Zealand. Do you do it
to show a bit of appreciation or are you again.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's I'm going to say prime on these text machines.
A lot of people are against it.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, it is twenty nine to two hateful people.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
You talk said the headlines.

Speaker 16 (21:45):
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is at risk as Israel withholds aid to Palestinians and
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Speaker 3 (23:06):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and that is what we're
talking about. The Hospitality report shows some growth across the
nation one point four percent, but a big drop in tipping.
On average, it's down forty percent.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Guys going out to a restaurant has become increasingly more
expensive as businesses have all pushed up pricing to cope
with inflation and minimum wage increases that have been forced
upon them, mainly as a result of the previous government,
says Paul. Given that they were given that we are
paying higher prices for the privilege of eating at a
restaurant or a cafe, I don't believe we should then
be asked to pay their staff wages on top. So

(23:37):
tipping is a no for me unless there is an
exceptional circumstance, and then I'd prefer to give a tip
directly to the waitress, not have it added to the bill.

Speaker 17 (23:46):
Paul.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
It is an awkward thing that we've all experienced. I
imagine when you're in a restaurant and you go to
pay the bill and the post comes up with that
screen tip yeap. I hate it, Yeah that because that's
not that that makes you feel a little bit compelled
to tip. Yeah, yeah, so, and I will tip there absolutely.
I will do it. But in the perfect world, I'd

(24:07):
like to handle sweaty twenty, sweaty fifty, yeah, wrapped up
in my hands secretly, just to the weight stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, because I think that shows your appreciation more. Because,
as you say, when I'm up there and it comes
time to say, would you like to add a tip,
and the lovely waiter is looking me dead in the
eyes waiting for my move, and I have to put no.
I feel like a real dirt bag. And I shouldn't
be made to feel like a dirt bag. If it
was really good and I wasn't so stingy, I want
to give him a twenty.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Of yeah, because it's not expected there yea. And sometimes
they seem quite awkward when they're doing it. Sometimes I've
been in residence and I just flick through that because
they feel a bit awkward about it. I think there's
another part of tipping in New Zealand is we don't
feel like we're above other people, and we don't want
to lud ourselves above other people. So as much as
the person might want the money, we don't feel like

(24:55):
we can go he here you are, here's the money,
like you're James Bond or something, you know at the
Casino Royal. Yeah, there is a lot of logic in that,
so you don't want to go than you Yeah, you
want to give. If you want to give a tip,
you want to give it away to say I think
that you're great, but I think we're unevil. You know,
you're not service and on royalty or something where even Stevens,

(25:18):
I just want to give you a little bit more
money because I think you're great.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, it's a big key we thing, absolutely, Shirley. You
are a cafe owner.

Speaker 18 (25:26):
Yes, I am for seventeen years.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, good, good stuff. How's the hospitality? Ha's the cafe
industry going for you at the moment, Shirley.

Speaker 18 (25:34):
Yes, good, it's fine.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
We're doing very well. So I'm very happy with that.

Speaker 18 (25:40):
I guess I just want to talk about the tips
we've had. The staff have had a tip jar. I
can't remember when it first started, to be perfectly honest,
and it sits on the counter and as a customer
wants to tip, the stuff that goes into the tip jar.

(26:00):
And then when we first started doing it, I said
to them, this is your money, you do with it
what you wish. And they talked about divving it up
between them or going out.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
For a social event.

Speaker 18 (26:18):
So I suggested to them they are social events really
good because the whole team has worked really hard to
earn that ter and it's been going on for years
and it works really well. I mean, it's just up
to the individual customer if they wanted to pull not.
So there's not a mandatory thing. And I certainly don't
receive anything from the tiptar.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Do you when you say it is divd up with everyone,
does that include the dishwasher out the back?

Speaker 18 (26:46):
It's everyone.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
It's nice.

Speaker 18 (26:48):
So yeah, so they moved away from that because they've
decided doing something to hether as a.

Speaker 9 (26:54):
Team was part better.

Speaker 18 (26:57):
Whether they went to another staff member's house and hadews.

Speaker 19 (27:02):
In beer, that's what they do.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah. And are you a cafe where there's table service
or do people come up to the counter to get
their their food?

Speaker 18 (27:11):
Are they I've got two kfas one is in a
food call and one we deliver food.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Tables and so are people like slipping the you know
where they slip the table staff, the weight staff, you
know a twenty Is that something that happens?

Speaker 18 (27:29):
No, No, not that I'm aware of.

Speaker 9 (27:33):
They do pay it.

Speaker 18 (27:35):
They do pay it the counter, so I don't believe
anyone slipped anybody any money. I think what habits is
of openers. You know, I've just been given ten dollars. Well,
you know that's great, and it goes.

Speaker 9 (27:47):
Straight into the tip jar.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Have you noticed a certain demographic they're tips more?

Speaker 18 (27:53):
Well, it's there's the people with cash obviously do the
tipping because we don't facility by f pos.

Speaker 19 (28:01):
So that's yeah, people.

Speaker 18 (28:03):
With cash do the tipping.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, right, the tip jars, the tip jars would have
taken a massive hit and in recent years as cash disappears.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, im.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Well, thanks, thank you so much for calling in, Shirley,
and I'm very pleased to hear that your cafe businesses
are going well. Congratulations on that because it's not not
easy out there, so you must be running a quality service.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
I thank you that.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Have a great day you too, Shirley, Thank you very much.
Just on the old tip jar, saw one the other
day and I thought it was genius and it's kind
of different to tipping. But I don't know if you've
seen this. They put a lemon in water in a
jar and if you can balance a coin on top
of the lemon, you get a free drink. And this
cafe I went into and obviously they serve booths at
this cafe. That jar was stacked, man, because it's quite enticing.

(28:48):
If you've got a coin, you're going to try and
balance it on the lemon. Even if you win, you
might say, don't worry about the pints. I just wanted
to give it a go.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
That sounds fun.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, it was really fun.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I'd like to give that a go. I totally agree, Matt.
But don't forget about the chef. He or she is
the one doing the mahi behind the scenes. I mean
that's a good point. You know, the weight staff, how
does it work in America? That'd be interesting someone that's
worked over there. How does it work with the tips
going back to the back room. Yeah, because you know
the shift chefs who share all the people doing all

(29:16):
the work back there, but they don't have that direct
relationship with the with the customer to be able to
get the little cheeky tip.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
You'd hope they get something if you know, oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. But keen on your general
thoughts about tipping. Do you tip and where do you tip.
It's gone down forty percent, but ken toy hear from
you on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
You got to tip someone that takes your bag up
to your room in a hotel, right, oh, one hundred percent.
And you've got to tip people that clean your room
if you.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Can, definitely, And I'd say Uber as well. They Uber
is a big thing for tipping.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, but some people push back on that. And there's
someone's saying here that that yeah, saying that the rides
here people are the most important people. If this texasays,
Scott says. If anyone deserves tips, it's ride cheer drivers
who are in New Zealand make as little as one
third of what you pay and have to cover their
expenses ten dollars. Ride driver gets three dollars and still
has to pay petrol, road user and maintenance tax. Yeah,

(30:06):
and I will always tip tip my driver under that circumstances.
But some people argue that allows Uber and the like
to not pay the proper wages.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, and that is the danger, right yeah. Yeah, Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighties. The number to call, it's
eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tylor
Adams Afternoons News Talks Envy.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Very good afternoon to you. We're talking about tipping in
New Zealand. It's down forty percent according to the latest
hospitality report. So do you tip? And why I love
to hear from you?

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Hi guys. We've just returned from a trip to Europe
since this text, where typically has become an expectation in
many tourist areas and on cruise ships, we ignored their
expectation and paid tips, just as we do in New Zealand,
only for exceptional service. We don't tip for a service
level that is expected, but if someone does something for
us that's over and above their jobs, we will give
them a good tip.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Nice, God's Liz.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Good on you.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Liz seem like a good person. Matt, did you tip
for the chakra? And Rewalker? Let's not talk about that incident,
and Rewalker. We're not going to talk about that. MN
shouldn't read that.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
We need to bring that up another day.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
In New Zealand, we have industrial laws that mean people
earn a reasonable wage minimum, often the living wage, other
O commentations do not get tipped, so not necessary.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Good points?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Is this text up Joe, welcome to the show.

Speaker 18 (31:24):
Hi, I'm just driving. I'm just going to pull over
so I can take it on Sainsbury.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Be careful with you're pulling over? How are you going?
You're indicating indicating it's good? Did you look? Do you
check your blind spot?

Speaker 20 (31:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:39):
You guinness before?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Do you need a parallel park? Do you need some
time to or? Are you're right?

Speaker 12 (31:44):
I'm all good?

Speaker 3 (31:45):
All stop now, beautifully done?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Wow? Listen how good your phone line is now that
you've stopped?

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yes, if it makes a difference, all right, we're good
to go.

Speaker 12 (31:53):
I don't tip. And my concern with the tipping is
people are getting text free income often and that is
a concern.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
That's a very good point. Do tips get text in
New Zealand? Or I mean, I imagine they wouldn't imagine
if you slipped someone to be a very honest person,
if you slip them a twenty, that they then informed
the idea about it, wouldn't they?

Speaker 12 (32:16):
How many people will be declaring that on the so
it's all tax free income. Yeah, that's concern.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I imagine that you would be taxed if it's a
tip that comes through the f POS machine, you know, Joe,
when you when you go up and then sometimes there's
that screen saying do you want to tip? That? That
would surely because that that that would go through the
accountant all through the system, you account it's not going
to let you get away with that. Yeah, you had hoped.

Speaker 12 (32:40):
So if it depends on the business owner, I guess
whether they do it logital or not, or they just
pass them the money. But you'd hope time well.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
So and land Revenue defines these types of payments as
non taxtable if less than two hundred dollars have received
in a single year. Okay, right, So if you get
less than two hundred tips in an entire year, then
you don't. Then the I D doesn't want to get involved.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
So if you're ten cent John, you'll probably be okay, Well,
if it's.

Speaker 12 (33:05):
True, you'll be fine on that one.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, take a while.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
He knew all along.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
But I mean, you know, like so, I don't know
if there are tax agents going out there doing things.
But you know, you get your fifty dollars tip and
then you go. But that's the first one I've got.

Speaker 12 (33:22):
You know they are doing stings in some industries. I
haven't heard the tipping one, but they do in some industries.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Oh yeah, I mean the idea is really ramping up
their operations at the moment.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
They certainly are.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Hey, thank you so much for calling Joe, and thank
you for taking the effort to pull over. Oh good,
you have a great afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Thank you very much. Share, how are you.

Speaker 14 (33:43):
I'm just fine, guys.

Speaker 10 (33:44):
I just want to talk about tipping please. Okay, So myself,
I've worked in the United States?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Is this the engin? This isn't the if I could
turn back time? Share? Is it?

Speaker 21 (33:57):
No?

Speaker 3 (33:58):
I only taped in all right, okay, so very similar.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
So you've you've do you work in hospital over in
the States? Share, I have.

Speaker 10 (34:09):
I've worked here. I've got nieces and I don't anymore.
I have nieces and nephews that work in the states.
In the United States, they get paid peanuts maybe if
it's a very nice place, maybe three dollars an hour.

Speaker 14 (34:25):
Right, And I come from.

Speaker 10 (34:27):
Seattle, and with outside the city of Seattle, there's a
minimum wage that takes place in Seattle that doesn't take
place in most places in the United States. But you
can't live on it. But your tips are huge, Okay,
And that's why this present government has decided that they
wanted to tax tips, and then the current president, mister Trump,

(34:53):
I decided he was only going to tax him to
a certain level. It doesn't make any difference. They don't
get paid much. That's why tipping props up their income.
Everybody in the US knows that. Here it's a different story. However,
I will tip here uber drivers because I think they're
getting Personally, I think they're getting ripped off. I don't

(35:15):
think they make enough money. And something like the Clarence
River going down and having guides that are with you
twenty four to seven taking care of you, I'll give them. Well,
I've done it twice that trip for four days each time,
and I've given them fifteen percent of the price of
the trip. I don't give it to the people that

(35:36):
own the company. I give them the money.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, And so you carry around cash specifically for the
purpose of tipping. All most people do in the States.
Donet that.

Speaker 10 (35:46):
Well, Yeah, the thing is is that the Clarence River
I told them I wanted that money to go to them,
nobody else, right, and please, so they gave I paid
it via a different bank account so they could give
it to their.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Staff and not a state. When you tip a white staff,
does that what happens with the people in the back room?
Do they get a proper wage like someone washing dishes today?
As the tips, any of the tips to be up
to them.

Speaker 10 (36:13):
Okay, you tip the weight person that's taking care of you.
It's up to them to decide if they want to
share it right now. There may be an un there
may be an unwritten rule that says, hey, my bus person,
my bus boy, my bus person, they take care of
me so I can make more money.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, right, If I make.

Speaker 10 (36:34):
The more money, I'm going to share fifteen percent of
what I get. And then if it just depends on
the house that you're working for, you don't have to
give them anything. But everybody does, but the chefs. If
it's a if it's a white tablecloth place or a
very nice place, you're not expected to give them any money.
They're paid enough. But if you're only making a few

(36:56):
dollars an hour, you have to have those tips or
you don't survive. But you but you always tip your
cab driver, You always tip anybody carrying your bags. You
always tip your hairdresser, you tip.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, thank you for your call. Shit, Yeah, it's interesting.
I knew someone in the States. Well, I met someone
in the States and she she had a degree from
pretty fancy college, but she'd got a job working in
a pretty flash bar where super flash people went yep.
And she was telling me that she can't leave the
job because she makes so much money in this place,

(37:29):
just because she's just getting these high rollers coming in.
It's in California. I think maybe some tech tech richies
were coming in and she's making so much money there.
She couldn't move on with her career because it was
no way it was ever going to pay as much
as she did just serving cocktails in this bar.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
That is a trap, isn't it all right? Oh? One
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call tipping.
Do you do it? Love to hear from you. It
is eight to two.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
News talks'v we good afternoon. We are talking about tipping
in New Zealand. It's down forty percent. So many ticks
have come through over the last hour.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Andrew, it's a good point. It seems a bit screwed
up when you're prepared to tip someone who serves you coffee,
but no someone on minimum wage who cares for your
elderly parents in a wrist time, you won't. I will
tip someone that cleans my room at a hotel, right, yeah,
that kind of thing. But it is interesting. It does
mudy the waters with the whole minimum wage thing because
if someone that serves you, let's say a hardware store,

(38:28):
and takes you to down an aisle to talk you
through whatever whatever screw you need, then why wouldn't you
tip them?

Speaker 3 (38:37):
It'd be real awkward to slip them at twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Part of the egalitarian society thing. I mean, I would
feel like I was putting myself above this person. Yeah,
but they're probably saying, mate, put yourself above me. Tip away.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Someone says tipping culture is an American disease invading all
aspects of our life. Terrible, don't need it. Pay people properly? Yeah, well,
I'm still thinking saying pay people property. But look, you know,
as you say minimum's minimum wage means you don't have
to tip a New Zealand. But all the hate I'm
getting for throwing the odd around it, I find it.
It's surprising, ye know.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Just to show your generosity, just.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
A little thank you here and there for someone doing it,
even if they don't desperately need it to survive. Yeah,
so screw you, stingy peeps. I'm going to be tipping
even more from now on. You can't stop me. I
might tip you. If I ever run into these sexes,
I might tip them.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yeah take that, Yeah, then you'll feel it.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
In fact, I'm going to pack one randomly here that
hates it and send them a fifty dollar note.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Jackpot, Yeah, tagpot. All right, we'll figure out who that is.
Neig's coming up after two o'clock. We want to have
a chat about medical tourism. It has gone wrong for
a few New Zealanders who have tried it. Have you
done it? It's love to hear from you on O
eight undred and eighty ten eighty news coming.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Up talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
It'd be very good afternoon. G six fast to welcome
back into the program. Just before we get into the
next topic, got a text through that I feel compelled
to read, and here it is. Hey, you guys, you
never read at any of my texts, which Kirie often
reads out my text every now and again, and so
does Marcus hither not so much. So I'm giving up

(40:16):
come on here to do better. So I'm giving up
wasting my time trying to be a part of your show.
Cheers and thanks on blocking the text number. I spend
twenty bucks a month on your show. I don't want
to talk and give you the option of text. Best wishes. Chris.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Wow, well you've read that one out?

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, so, yeah, finally you've read one out.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Well. The thing is in this conversation that we have
in the afternoons on the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons show at News Talks, we try to get to
as many texts and phone calls as we can, but
we often just have them backed up. There's just so
many coming through. So sorry if we don't read your
text out, and sorry if we don't give your phone calls,

(40:55):
but we try.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
We love you, Chris. Just know that you're a big
part of the show and that's twenty bucks a month
well spent. Son leave us.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
On another topic, I heard in the news that that
Kadrona Hotel is sold.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yes, one of my favorite places in the world, the
Controna Hotel, established in eighteen sixty three. I believe in
the Controna Valley. Obviously, Ye, great spots. It's it's staying
in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Hands fantastic.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I wonder how much it's sold for.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Did you put a bed in?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
And I dreamed of going there. I dreamed. As soon
as I saw that Codrona Hotel was up for sale,
I texted my lovely partner Tracy and seers we should yet,
we just start a new life as publicans.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Liquid ate everything and spy this beautiful pub.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, I wonder and supplementary question, I wonder if they're
going to keep on their nachos. Their famous nachos is open.
That's a beautiful narchos. Your jlipinos, you guacam moley. They're
actually vegetarian nachos, are they? But they're great? Yeah, but

(41:56):
surprisingly they're still great.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Congratulations to the new owner. What a beautiful pub, and
glad it's staying in Kiwi hands right, let's get into
this one. So medical tourism is absolutely booming in New
Zealand at the moment. Thousands of Kiwis travel overseas for
all sorts of different surgeries, whether that's weight loss, cosmetic, elective,
but more and more. Behind these glossy holiday package deals,
there are stories emerging of complications, long hospital stays and

(42:21):
life altering consequences. The latest in a story today Shery.
She didn't use her last name. She's a New Zealand woman,
spent twelve harrowing weeks in hospital and now depends on
a feeding tube. Can you imagine after a botched gastric
sleeve surgery in Turkey?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Oh, Sheery, that is not good.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
That is terrible for Sherry.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Gastric sleeve surgery in Turkey. And look, as I say
to you before, Tyler, just going through a medical procedure overseas,
when you're away from all you support people, you're away
from the structures that you understand, somewhere like Turkey, that's
very different from here. Quite a terrifying and risky thing
to do. But having said that, I know lots and

(43:03):
lots of people that have been overseas for a couple
for teeth it yep, very common, and I know a
couple actually for a bit of cosmetic nipping and tucking
and a few touching and inflating and being very happy
with the service. And these weren't These people weren't going

(43:24):
to Turkey, but tacked a holiday onto it and talk
very very highly of it.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I mean, it's incredibly popular for a lot of people
because the price is right. And I know because there
was a story out about a month ago. Turkey as
a country is targeting New Zealand. They know that we're
a population where our elective surgeries is a bit of
a weight list and it can cost a bit if
you go private. So they are actually targeting us to say, hey,
come for a holiday in Turkey, you can get a
bit of weight loss surgery and you can save a fortune.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Is it just that Is it any more dangerous over
in these other countries to get it done? Is the
safety standards lower? Is it just that any procedure that
you have there's a certain percentage that will go wrong.
I mean nothing, nothing is completely safe. Yeah, you know,
and so it just so happens that when it happens,
you're over there on the other side of the world,
and it's hard to deal with it, and you might

(44:13):
have to come back to New Zealand and be a
huge burden on the New Zealand public health system trying
to fix up your problem. That can happen as well.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yeah, it's never one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
But have you been over and had a procedure in
another country, done any of this medical tourism? How's it
gone for you? Would you recommend it? This person says, Hi,
I've had two teeth purled and replaced by implants, a
root canal and two mile fillings, all done in Bali
for three five hundred dollars. This would have been over
eleven k worth of dental work in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Ben, that's a good price. Yeah, it's a good discount.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
And by the sounds of it, no troubles at all.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, seems to have gone pretty well for that young man. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
if you've done this medical tourism, if you've been a
medical tourist yourself, loved to hear from you, or if
you know a story where it went wrong might have
gone wrong for you.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Hey, guys, just to hint, you'd have more time for
callers reading text if you don't repeat over and over
and over the the topic title wasted time. Yes, but
you see call a love you show anyway says this
texture but you see the thing text is that you don't.
We don't know when people have tuned in. Some people
might listen for the whole show. Some people might just
be tuning in right now. They've got no idea what
we're talking about. In fact, guaranteed there'll be hundreds of

(45:24):
people that have just tuned in. They've got no idea
what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Welcome to the show. If that year we are talking about.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
There's probably some people that have been listening all show
and have no idea what.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Yeah, very true. We are talking about medical tourism. If
you've just joined us. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if you've done it and
it's gone right or wrong.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
We're keen on your story and secondary question, what do
you think I should get done?

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty US Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
It's quarter past two we're talking about medical tourism. If
you've ever undertaken medical tourism, as in fly to another
country to get some surgery or some work done to
save some money, love to hear from you. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
So we are the main places that people go. It's
Thailand is a big one, isn't it? Indonesia, Turkey obviously, Singapore.
Apparently Singapore is a cheap in Singapore apparently.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah, I'm just imagined here.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Imagine it's efficient in Singapore.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, Sali of course. South Korea, a leader in cosmetic
surgery and other advanced treatments with a reputation for world
class facility, is becoming a medical tourism hub. India apparently
offers treatment for cardiology, cancer and orthopedics at a lower cost. Right, Oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

(46:45):
if you've been through medical tourism or you are a
medical tourist yourself. What did you get done and how
much did it cost?

Speaker 7 (46:51):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
So I do realize that Bali is in Indonesia anyway.
Someone says here that dental surgery is in New Zealand.
Are archaic in comparison to Asian countries. In fact, New
Zealand is archaic on so many levels period dot dot
dot fact, Michael, you're a big fan of medical tourism.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Guys.

Speaker 19 (47:08):
I've lived in Thailand for the last nine years, so
I spent about six months of the year there and
I come back to New Zealand and six months of
the year. So in between the two in the time
that I've been there, I've had to use the health
service over there, paying out my own pocket on three occasions.
And let me tell you it's just first class. It
is first rate, first class. Now not only that, I've
had other friends use it over there, never once heard

(47:31):
the complaints. A lot of people go there to do
their eyes, or the boobies or the bone, whatever it
may be. But when it comes to our school medical
I'll give you one example. I was having a case
of very good dizziness and I had a seven month
waiting list just to see her. Can your naturally neuropath
whatever you call up the brain in New Zealand. In Thailand,
I've seen one and within an hour it cost me

(47:53):
seventy bucks.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
So you're into a neus, you know, a neurosurgeon around dizzyness.
Did you say, yeah?

Speaker 19 (48:00):
And I had there to go after there to go.
But that's not the real reason I'm calling. I can't
speakhighly enough for the actual the health system within Thailand.
It makes New Zealand look to say third world would
be complimentary.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Wow.

Speaker 19 (48:12):
Now the reason I say that is I've just come back.
Six months ago. I had pain in my back in
Thailand and I thought, what is this? So I went
down to get a seat scan cost me one hundred
and forty bucks and the CT scans showed that I
had a six millimeters kidney stone. So for our bloody
hath so to get it done in Thailand was four
grands and I thought, well, you know, I've done three
here and I've paid my taxes in New Zealand for

(48:33):
thirty years. I'll go home and I'll get it done there,
so I'll come back. I see the doctor and he says,
we can't accept the set scan from Thailand. You're going
to take it one here.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
And I'm like, okay, they're not cheape.

Speaker 19 (48:45):
Not well, I play twelve hundred dollars for the one here. Yeah,
so we'll get that. I take it some. Adoctor says, yep,
you've got a kidney stone. We'll get you into hospital.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
So they did.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
They compare the when You've got it in Thailand with
the New Zealand one. I mean difference, this.

Speaker 19 (49:01):
Classic what happened with the full story to it. So anyway,
I thought, well, i've got three months to wait. I'm
going back to Thailand. So I went the Thailand, Well,
well it's not really give me that much grief, so
I'll carry on and hopefully they'll come through for me
in New Zealand. About a month ago, I've gone back.
I'm in Thailand. I'm just about to pay for it
because I've had enough that it was given me a
bit of grief. And I thought I got a letter

(49:22):
an email from New Zealand saying now the doctor in
the hospital see you know, and I thought, we go,
let's I'll get it done, so I'll come back to
New Zealand. And he takes an X ray of it
and he says, yea, you've got a kidney stone. And
the CT scan shows that you've got a kidney stone.
And I said, I've done two seat scans. He says, yeah,
I'm looking at the one in Thailand because it's.

Speaker 12 (49:39):
A hell of a lot better than the one.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
It's just like in fury Wow.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
So he had exist to both of them, the one
in New Zealand, which was the only one that would
be acceptable, and the Taiwan, and the tai one was better.
That is that is that is quite talent.

Speaker 19 (49:53):
Yeah, and it was like a tenth of the cost anyway.
So he turned and I said, we'll have you in
the two weeks. That was four weeks ago. Now the
reason I'm telling me this in the last four weeks,
it's just unbelievable what I've actually gone through. So I've
gone in to see him, then I've gone in to
get an next ray done. Then I've had in between
that time, I've had four phone calls from Health Museum
whatever they call themselves, and I've had seven emails. Now

(50:15):
in all of these, they now want me to go
back in to see an an ethicist. Which why you
have to see anthist before you actually get the operation done,
I don't know, but it's a ninety minute appointing with
the aethetist. When I've been to see the aethicist all
being well, and I have no idea what they're going
to do, because if.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
You go privately anywhere in the world.

Speaker 19 (50:32):
You don't go to do this nonsense. They then said.
And a week later after that, you've got to come
in and do another p test to make sure there's
no blood in your pee and blah blah blah blah.
So all well and good. So you're doing all that.
After five and a half months, I still haven't got
a date. It's just possible. I'm not having to go
to the health people aid, the actual doctors and the NATSIUS,
because I think they do the best job that they can.

(50:53):
But the people behind the scene in New Zealand, after
they've experienced another country and another way that it works,
and to come back, honestly, and I don't like knocking
New Zealand. They don't because it's been very good to
me for thirty years. But when I see the nonsense
is going on, and you wonder, well, no wonder. There's
a five months lead list. So now I'm in the process.
Now I've decided that if it's not, if they haven't

(51:14):
given me a d by November, then I'm just going
to go back to Thailand and get it done.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
That you don't you don't think, Michael, that might be
the difference between private and public though, So you're private
and Thailand and your and your public here, and you
know the public's service has to take every single thing
that comes through. They can't they you know, they're massively
over over over overrun, whereas the is the private situation.

(51:38):
You know, you're paid, they'll they'll move you through the
system and they can book you in and a match
with sort of more orderly fashion.

Speaker 19 (51:44):
Yeah, but the nonsense of it is because I've seen
a different way, and by the way, I've used a
public health service in Thailand as well. Now that's things
and a roundabout. You can either to get a very
good one that you can get like a really quite
poor one. And I've also done the same as from
Lanka in India, different things that I've gone through over
there when I've been traveling. But to go through this process,
I estimated has probably cost me about twenty hours in

(52:04):
time to actually go through it, and by the time
I've done, it'll be so appointments. You need seven appointments
to do with minor surgery.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah, that's a good point, there's no doubt that. Yeah,
we've got some big problems in our public health system
at the moment. But what if it goes wrong overseas, Michael,
When it doesn't matter what state the clinics and they
the doctors are, there is a chance that things may
go wrong. What is your pretection there? What are you
doing that circumstance?

Speaker 19 (52:28):
Well, I understand that argument very well, but I think
a lot of that is so let's just say dentistry.
So if you if you try and do dentistry here,
like I've had a couple of friends go over to
Thailand to do dentistry, no problems at all, but it's
like a fear youself, and it's like an arrogance. It's like, well,
don't go over there. Things can go wrong. Well, things
can go wrong here as well. Now are they under

(52:48):
any more obligation to actually put that right than what
they are overseas? Because I actually think professionally over there
the streets ahead of what they are here.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yeah, So that's interesting. I mean, this woman in Thailand,
she's hit to come back here and the public health
services having to look after here, and she's in a
terrible state. But that was a there was a gastric
sleeve which is a pretty and tints and tints operation. Hey,
just question for you. You've been judging by your excellent
that at some point in your life you would have
heard some you know, dealings with the NHS. Yeah, the

(53:18):
is the innit. I mean, as would there have been
thirty years ago the last time that you had anything
to do with those guys, So you wouldn't really to
comment on current situation.

Speaker 19 (53:26):
My son's over there at the moment and he's just
gone through the NHS. So ironically enough, my first job
when I left school was working for the NHS. As
of port are just wheeling the water the theater, putting
the light on the operation and send them down and
it's fabulous. And I remember when I met the White
and she got pregnant over there and she decided to
come back to New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (53:44):
But before, yeah said she got pregnant, you were revolt.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah that's good, good.

Speaker 19 (53:51):
But before she came back, we were going through the
Health Service for the more prenatal stuff and whatever else.
And it's fabulous. When I arrived in New Zealand, it
really was like third World in comparison to it. Now
that's thirty years ago. The stories I'm hearing about the
NHS over at the moment it's collapsed and has fallen over. Yeah,
so I can't really speak because I seldom go back there,
and to be honest, but enormous son's going through it now,

(54:14):
and the stories that you're telling me, it doesn't sound great,
but it's the administration side, and I can't believe it'd
be as worse as it's here from the health perspective.
I can't answer that question, to be honest, I.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Will think if you call Michael so Tie medical services
very very good. According to Michael, work to tree make
ours look like Rabbish.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah, what do you say to that? Oh eight hundred
and eighty. Eighteen eighty is the number of call critics
to you, Matt, you should get a BBL. I don't
know what a BBL is.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
A BBL the best league? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Is that a Brazilian ah, Brazilian butt lift?

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Yeah, okay, I do have a lack of butt. You
could use one of those. To be honest, that's not
a bad suggestion.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
It's just a fold of my jeans where my butt
should bet.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Twenty four.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty on News talk Z.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Twenty six past two. We're talking about medical tourism. If
you've gone overseas to some sort of surgery, how did
it go? A one hundred and eighty ten eighties and
number to call?

Speaker 2 (55:17):
The sixties? Public health service has so many excellents assaults
deal with. For a start, why doesn't Michael take out
private health insurance? Seems he pays his Texas in Thailand?
Your point, Yeah, I don't know. Jennifer.

Speaker 6 (55:29):
Hi, Hi, nervous.

Speaker 22 (55:32):
Sorry, I might get a little bit rambling here, ramble away. Remember,
appreciating your segment. My partner is currently considering going overseas
for some some dental work. But one of the things
as an immigrant from America, the perspective has been sort

(55:53):
of the opposite. I came from a place about twenty
three years ago and the medical system had essentially it
was destroyed by litigation and you know, private health insurance,
that kind of thing. So coming from there to here
was amazing, Like the New Zealand health system comparative was

(56:14):
just I was blown away by how easy it was
to access medical care and how affordable it was. And
it's sort of it's been quite a sad thing to
watch the decline as I've lived here over the last yeah,
you know, more than twenty years, the fact that the
wait times.

Speaker 7 (56:35):
And the.

Speaker 22 (56:37):
Leveled care has dropped. The thing is there's not that
many more people, and so I want to know What'd
love everyone to sort of start questioning why the primority
of keeping that system running at peak performance has sort
of gone by the wayside. And do we hold perhaps

(57:03):
stockholders that have shares in private health insurance companies.

Speaker 9 (57:08):
Do we look at that?

Speaker 22 (57:10):
Do we say, is this the reason? Has people in
power that stand again from you know, the stock value
of private insurance companies going up?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Well, I don't know about that, but one thing is
for sure, we're spending more on healthcare than we ever have,
and the last government has just increased it. So it's
one of those things I think healthcare at Jennifer where
no matter how much money you put into it, you
can just you can just put infinite amounts of money
into it.

Speaker 7 (57:36):
I was just now spend it all unjacked.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Yeah, I was just in that emergency last night because
my son had to be taken in and it was
there were so many people they're waiting to get through,
and the queues were so long, and I just wonder
about healthcare whether Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 22 (57:55):
Who was looking at how it's spent. Who's looking at like,
why are they spending so much on you know, with.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
The problems, they keep bringing in more levels of management
and that doesn't seem to help. And sometimes some people
complain that the levels of management of what's taking up
all the money.

Speaker 22 (58:08):
Yeah, that's where I think the cast is.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, but clearly it's a situation across the world and
developed countries, Jennifer, that those costs are going up and
people are investigating this up the wazoo. Aging population generally,
population is a lot more unhealthier. There's problems with our
diet and process food. The list goes on and on
and on. But my point is, I mean, do we
start everything think about a bit of personal responsibility here
to try and stay out of a hospital.

Speaker 22 (58:31):
If you can definitely encourage people, give them, give them
a yearly bonus.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
And no claims bonus. I do think that I do
think that people need to look at the health service
in their country as a partnership with their health There's
a different way you can look at I think some
people just think that it's there to fix.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
You, but really make me from myself.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Yeah, there's absolutely no that doesn't work out like that,
There's no way. And you know, I've talked to a
bunch of people, particularly one friend of mine who's a doctor,
and he talks to some people and they go, what
you can do and he because it's too late, I
can't do anything for you. You know, you have to
save yourself. So you know, if the if the health
is and was clogged up with a bunch of people
that don't understand that that the health services, that your

(59:12):
health is your primary responsibility. It's one of the key
things you can do for your country is be healthy,
and so you don't become a burden in the country.
And and and the health system is there will be
your partners to give you advice and help you through
and do what they can, but it's not their sole responsibility.
It's not the it's not the health system sole responsibility
to keep you healthy. So so do you think your

(59:34):
your your your partner will take up an option to
go overseas do some medical tourism.

Speaker 22 (59:39):
Pretty much has to Yeah, that's kind of shits come
to that. It would be just yeah, unaffordable to have
it done. Here, so it's a bit I guess it's
a bit of a bonus because you get a holiday.
But we'll see how it goes. I'm nervous. I'm nervous.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
What what do you mind me asking what the what
the procedure is?

Speaker 22 (59:55):
Oh, just just fixing, fixing all the teeth. It's not
it's not cosmetic. Yeah, just necessities.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Really, you go, he's going to have to do it.
I just think it can't afford here. And then you
say it's a facelift. It's a facelift.

Speaker 22 (01:00:06):
I'll let him do it and then I'll have mine done.
So we'll have him be the beginning data.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Nicely done.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Thank you for you called, Jennifer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Yeah, great call. Oh one hundred eighty ten to eighty.
Medical tourism, it's on the rise. Have you looked into it?
Have you done it? Love to hear from you. Nine
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Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Thank you very much, Railan. We're talking about medical tourism.
It has been on the rise in New Zealand for
some time, but there are stories emerging of when it
goes wrong. The latest was a woman called Sherry. She's
a New Zealand woman. She had gastrek sleeve surgery in Turkey, Turkey.
Now she is in a hospital bed here in New Zealand.
She's there for twelve weeks and is got a feeding
tube because it's gone horribly wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah, so she went over there. Now the Public House
Service has to pay for fixing her up. It's not good,
says Sally, and blaming people who supposedly do not look
after themselves is so lame. Was the health system ever
top nuch? Like in other First World countries? There are
other reasons for this situation. Giving all the money to
the America's Cup Challenge for the New Zealand team could
have built more hospitals by now, Thanks Sally, I don't

(01:02:29):
know if you could. I don't think how much money
is given for the America's Cup Challenge would have really
done anything in the bottomless black hole pit of how
much it costs to run the New Zealand health situation.
But you've got to be are you saying that you
can't blame people at all for their health. I mean,
in your life, your health is primarily your responsibility, definitely,

(01:02:52):
first and foremost. I mean, what percentage of that as
someone else's that's you know, and there's things that happen Obviously,
we've got acc and there's really unfortunate things that happen
to people that have no faulted their o's. Absolutely, and
we've got to help people that end up in terrible situations. Absolutely,
But to say that there's no blame for the state
of your health, it's a responsibility.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Absolutely. It's your body, it's your health. And just on that,
I'm looking at at various studies looking into whether more
health spends leads to better health improvements, and that is
not the case. There is study after study that shows
even when you pump way more money into a health
system and developed nations, there are no improvements in health outcomes.
Because then, I mean, the results in the extension from

(01:03:37):
this study was that people start to rely more on
the health system as that is going to save me,
so that personal responsibility starts to go out of the
window a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Yeah, I mean, if someone's driving around with cars and
they haven't pumped up the tires. You a bit of blame, right, Yeah,
you're given a bit of blame. So you are your
own car. You're your own vehicle, so you've got to
You've got to do the maintenance on it. You've got to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
It's a fantastic analogy. This is it far better, Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
You've had some major mouthwork overseas. How's that gone?

Speaker 19 (01:04:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
Three years ago, Foo Thailand and the food Kid. I
had a fantastic holiday on the beach for a month.
I had worked in the dentist. Every day while I
was there, I had eight implants and six crowns. One
day I'd go into the dentist at eight o'clock in
the morning and one night I didn't get out till

(01:04:26):
six o'clock at night. And I can't tell you how
fantastic they were. I arrived, They give you a talk,
They give me a little pill to take. I called
it my happy tool. I take my happy pool and
a drink of water, and they take me up into
the room that was immaculates, and two nurses with me
the whole time. And the dentist was fantastic, great. They
made me just feel a part of their family, and

(01:04:48):
the hotel I had down the road was it might
have been a three star, but I had clean sheets
every day, I had breakfast cooked for me every day,
and when after I came out of the dentist, I
would go down to the beach and sit underneath the
palm tree and drink peanut coladas until the sun went
down and then go back there. Yeah, I I can't

(01:05:11):
tell you that I had no issues at all. Wow.
They were so caring, so caring, and my people are great,
and I'm in my seventeenth so you know, my my
teeth were falling the part that were full of a
malgam and so I spent I spent eleven grand at
the dentist over there, plus my hot plus my flight

(01:05:33):
and to here to get my implants at Previa was
going to be forty four thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
So essentially what you're saying for for about a quarter
just over a quarter yees, and that included your accommodation.
Imagine you imagine your pinicolatas were on top of that
eleven k.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
Yeah, that were fine, that wasn't too much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Well, and so did you have any concerns about you know,
going under you know the whatever anesthetics you were taking
and going under or anything in another another country or
did you feel completely safe.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
I did a lot of research and I was feedback here.
I'm going on his I ringing and I had to
talk to him and he just took filled my confidence
to go and so I just booked it all myself
and did look and flew over there and had aware
of a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Trim wow, glorying.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Yeah, it seems like a good time. Surgery went well.
Pinaciladas on the beach, that is that's.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
That a success for years and years, I wouldn't momorrow.
Of course. My teeth were absolutely shocking. I was disgusted
with them. Now I'm happy. Yeah, yeah, it was good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
You sound very happy, Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Yeah, I love it, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
I'm not sure how good pina clutters are for the
teeth though going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
That is a risky move after work like that. But
got on your pall. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Couple of texts coming
through here, A.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Very interesting topic. I had muscle reparation and other issues
since having children. To get the work done, it will
cost over sixty k for me to go to Turkey
will cost twelve hundred and fifty twelve five hundred for flights.
It's either lived my life in misery or take the risk.
Have done a lot of research and study and it
seems great.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Yeah, good text. So sixty k here twelve hundred and sorry,
twelve thy five hundred in Turkey. That is a big saving.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Yeah yeah, well isn't that crazy? But I mean, do
we mind as a country, don't we want everyone to
outsource and then not, you know, because our systems so
horrifically clogged. I mean as far as the as long
I mean as long as with this gastric sleeve problem,
as long as they don't come back and when then
we have to look after them where it goes wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Yeah, there is that side as well. It is nineteen
to three. Back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk sai'd
be afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
It is sixteen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
So this text for asks what actually happened to the lady?
Was it medical misadventured? Did she get an infection or
have underlying issues, et cetera. It's a great question. So
we're talking about that woman that got gastric sleeve surgery, Yeah,
in Turkey, and then there was a bit of a leak.
It's disgusting stuff. And then back in New Zealand, she's
been hospitalized for twelve weeks and in a terrible state. Yeah,

(01:08:16):
but what actually happened over in Turkey.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
So there was a delay to this operation she was
going to have in Turkey. Then she had the surgery
on the second of August and was on a plane
home five days later. Then, with eleven hours left on
a flight, she began to feel a terrible amount of
pay pain. She says, I was going into shock. All
I could do was ask the flight attendant for painkillers.

(01:08:39):
She then got home, was rushed to the hospital and
it turned out it was a gastric sleeve leak and
she was in hospital for the next twelve weeks. So
something happened obviously on that flight, I mean delaying that surgery,
and then you've only got that short window to get
back to New Zealand. So you're on the plane five
days later the surgery. The surgeons in Turkey because her

(01:09:00):
blood pressure was too high.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
That's interesting because yeah, I mean maybe if she because
her blood pressure was too high. So is that because
she didn't hit the target? So who knows? But I
mean if she was still over there, they might have
taken her back in because you didn't know that this
was wrong until she was coming back, right, Yeah, So
it might be the case that if she's remained over
in Turkey that then they would have fixed it up
over there. But she just happens to be back here.

(01:09:23):
This as complicated, right, it is very good, I'd say, guest,
strick sleeve surgery is a lot more complicated than what
you know, the implants and crowns that was at Paul
on the Pina Coladas that he was getting done pretty
invasive surgery, Jamie, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Hello, so you've looked into medical tourism or you know
some people.

Speaker 20 (01:09:44):
Have done it.

Speaker 8 (01:09:46):
My husband and I we get our teeth done overseas annually,
and we're probably looking to get like the next stage
of I guess peace stuff done overseas after I guess,
having dabbled with less severe procedures.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
When you say annually, how many how many times have
you been over If you're getting it done annually, oh,
we go.

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
To Bali and we went the first time and we
just got some feelings and a clean and like a
whitening treatment. Yeah, you know, something that was kind of
I guess safe to test the water.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:10:18):
Honestly, the clinics that we were in were just absolutely
next level. The care, the facilities, the procedures, and the
staff like no dentist clinic I've ever been in. And
rather than the States than we had top care over
there as well. But the Bali one just threw our minds.
So we went back the next year and got further work.

(01:10:38):
Some routes now is done and I guess I want
to get I took removed and some more I guess
intensive stuff done. So I'm looking at going back and
doing that again.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Yeah, And so you just felt completely so you did
your little test and then now you feel completely and
utterly confident to go and get much more intense procedures done. Jamie.

Speaker 8 (01:11:02):
Yes, that's that's correct, and that's just foridental work. And
because of that, I feel confident in and investigating a
potential other like medical procedures.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Who did you go through, Jamie? Did you just sort
of at yourself or did you go through a company
or is there an agent you deal with to set
this all up.

Speaker 8 (01:11:22):
I did it myself by going on to a Barley
tourism group and just searching for other people's firsthand experiences
for which clinics. I then found the clinics myself, read
their reviews online, reached out to them and communicated that way,
and it was it was fine. But you know that
was for SMATL procedures.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yeah, right, So you're seeing this as a dentistry trip
with a bit of a holiday tacked on each time, Jamie,
you and your husband.

Speaker 8 (01:11:50):
Yeah, I'd say the first time was actually a holiday
with dentistry tacked on. But now it's like, okay, yeah,
we're going to go back.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Now it's a procedure. So now it's a procedure with
holiday TechEd on.

Speaker 8 (01:12:02):
Yeah, that's great. I'm in the health industry myself. I
own a of their therapy business, and I have a
lot of patients that I know who have gone over
for more intensive surgery, stayed Turkey and whatnot for destrict
sleeve surgery, you know, breath and plants. And I would

(01:12:24):
say that everyone who I know directly who's gone has
come back really, really happy, with the service and the investments,
you know, and that would be easily easily half a
dozen people.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Is it when you when you when you sign a
contract to do this and the paperwork around getting the
surgery done? Is there anything in there about if it
goes wrong, the support that they will give you or
you on your own if it goes wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:12:49):
They do advise that you stay for a certain amount
of time afterwards for follow ups, because I've just like
looked into getting some some surgery done post Chobeiss and
there's like an like I remember reading them to say,
you know, we advise that you stay for two weeks
afterwards for follow up care, but you'll be discharged from
services a seven days later. Yeah, so there is that.

(01:13:13):
But I would also say that we have issues with
our surgeries in New Zealand where people have mistakes afterwards
and they need to be readmitted.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Yeah. Well, I mean and it sounds like this woman
coming home from Turkey after just five days after the
surgery sounds you know that that sounds pretty pretty tight.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Yeah, her window narrowed, which obviously led to well, arguably
complications maybe on the on the plane ride home, who knows,
But the very fact that it got delayed because of
her blood pressure and the window was so narrow anyway,
is a pretty dangerous thing to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Do, Jamie. Did you say you've got did you say
you've got children?

Speaker 12 (01:13:49):
I do?

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Yeah, So, I mean that's the real test for a parent.
Would would you put your children through a surgery in Thailand?

Speaker 8 (01:13:57):
Depending? You know, I'm fortunate enough that they could probably
afford it in New Zealand. Yeah, But if it was
a surgery that they needed medically and it was unaffordable
for me, then yeah, I guess I would.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Just just last question, Jamie, you might answer this, but
can you get insurance if it does go wrong? You
mentioned that seven day kind of window that they'll look
after you and make sure it's all good. But is
there back up insurance similar to our acc.

Speaker 8 (01:14:26):
If so, I locked into that ball when we went
to Balley fa Teeth. Our typical health insurance did not
cover that. But if you go through agencies, they do
have house insurance that covers that particular procedure. So yet,
if you do your research right, you can get CALP
coverage to cover you for that procedure.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Yeah, very interesting, Great to chat with you. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
The sexts is definitely get it done in New Zealand
if you can. But the raality is this can happen
no matter where you are in New Zealand with a
top surgeon. Even the difference is you are not traveling
home for twenty four hours with little access to care. Yeah,
that's a risk and everyone is going to have to
weigh up the risks. A gastric sleeve is actually pretty
minimally invasive. That's interesting. It's a I don't think it's

(01:15:10):
correct to say it's more invasive than breast implants.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Tyler, Okay, well, good to know. Laparoscoptic. Interesting laparoscopic because
it sounds pretty full on but less invasive than breast implants,
and a lot of people are getting those done in
the places like Bali. Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Well, how invasive are breast implants? I mean you got
to Yeah, you gotta cut something over, don't you. You're
doing in there? Yep, slip it in okay, two seconds,
just quickly. Laparoscoptic refused to a minimally invasive surgery technique
that uses small incisions to insert a camera and surgical
instruments to perform procedures interesting also known as keyhole surgery.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Yeah, good to know. It is eight minutes to three
back in the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Mow, the issues that affect you, and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
used talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Six to three. There's some great texts that have come
through on medical tourism.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
This is a silly text though it says it's pronounced
laparoscopic laparoscopic. The thing is you're still You're still, You're
still depending on my pronunciation just because you're text and
how it's pronounced. Still, you're still beholden to my terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Anything doesn't change anything.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
I've potentially pronounced it incorrectly. Again, guys, you seem to
think that New Zealand is the best there is. That's
only because you only have Antarctica in Wales to compare
yourself with, and by Wales as w h A. L Ees,
not the company, the country. There's a big world out
there that's miles away from the clogged, inefficient, overpriced and
badly run New Zealand system. Things can go wrong anywhere,

(01:16:42):
but overall things speak for themselves. This is interesting this
text from Mike. Hi, Guys, I have a friend who
goes to Vietnam every two years for dental work holiday.
Her dentist was trained at Targo.

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
WW.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
There we go, good school, good dentists.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Great dentistry school in Totago. I tell you I am fit,
healthy and look after myself. Well, we have private healthcare,
but they do not cover things that happen to a
woman's body after childbirth. Yeah, this is true, like muscle
and other more personal things, but it's not They've put
mestl separation. What is it called? Someone will tell me
it's not muscle separation. Yeah, something else you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Yeah, Steve, We've got about sixty seconds my frame. But
you've heard all sorts of stuff in different countries.

Speaker 17 (01:17:20):
Yeah, I have my started off for about six years ago.
I had a bariatric surgery over in Mexico that was
done by Keol surgery was very successful. And then I've
been to India three times and i'd mid teeth done
twice complete sets and just finished getting back three weeks

(01:17:40):
ago from a knee surgery for the new knee. Yeah,
and I think we've done as research and done the
due diligence, which is most important. But you can't compete
with the prices of waiting over in New Zealand for
fourteen months on a wait list or thirty thousand dollars

(01:18:02):
for a knee surgery and you can have it done
for ten thousands in India with in a bance banking
you up to oswill real boptic.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Arm yeah, Steve, but if everything well, generally speaking, people
have been very supportive of medical tourism.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Yeah, great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who
called through on that one. Coming up after three o'clock,
DNA is that important when thinking about adoption?

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Your new homes are instateful and entertaining. Talk It's Matty
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Sevy very good afternoons you it is seven pass three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Can I just say just before we continue, I'm just
gonna put this out into the universe.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Let's go dodge it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Let's go Dodges, Let's go Dodgers. We've got it up
on the big screen.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
I am learning a lot about baseball and love your excitement, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Slash being absolutely punished by me with technical Baseball's hard chat.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
There's a lot into it. There's a lot of strategy,
obviously because it's professional sports.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
I love Kike and Indiez. I love Mooky Betts, of course,
I love show how Tiny. I mean, it's just such
a great team, Max Munsey. There's so many great, great
people there, Aska and Nndez.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
I just love your excitement, mate, your passion, your phizzine.
You're like a kid in the sandy store.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
But it's not about us sport. Right now, we've a
We've got a great conversation for the next hour on
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on ZBO one hundred
and eighty teen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
We certainly do this one's a doozy. So Jennifer Aniston
a LISTA and Hollywood friend star, movie star, all the
rest of it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
She reveals there anyone in the world that hasn't heard
of Jennifer Aniston.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
It's a good point, but I need to clarify that
she is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I'm not hastening to you for clarifying. I'm just saying
she must be one of the most famous people in
all Western world.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Right, Yeah, one of the most successful actresses. She was
my favorite time. She was Yeah, Rachel quite like Monica Michael. Yeah,
yeah screech.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
No one didn't like was ross but anyway, continue.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Yah, anyway continued. Jennifer Anderston recently revealed in an interview
that she chose not to adopt because she wanted her
children to share her DNA. She has recently opened up
about her fertility journey. She did want children, and she
underwent multiple rounds of IVF over a span of twenty years,
but sadly just did not work out for her. But
in a very recent interview, she claimed that she looked

(01:20:23):
into adoption for a short while, but the very fact
that the child that she may or may not adopt
would not share her DNA completely put it off.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Yeah, so does it matter if your kids have your DNA?
That's an interesting thing, isn't it that she chose not
to have children because I'd imagined it'd be very easy
for Jennifer Aniston to adopt. Yes, you know, she's absolutely
rolling in cash.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Yep, yep. Not sure of that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Yeah, you know, because surely surely that doesn't matter that much,
does it. I mean, I love my kids. I wonder
how much of that is just because they've got the
same DNA as me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Yeah, yeah, it must be a consideration for some people
out there. We'd love to hear from you on O
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if you've gone down
the adoption process. Did that cross your mind, because I
imagine that is a consideration for some people. It is.
You know, it's a big thing that when you're looking
to have a child, and I can speak, I can
speak from a bit of experience here that we're we're

(01:21:18):
trying for a child and we're in the early stages
of going through that. But I would dearly love to
have a child that has my DNA. And I don't
say that to be, you know, a dispara a gene
of adoption. I think that's a beautiful thing. It's wonderful
when kids get adopted.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
So the first priority would be that it's your kit.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Yeah. Yeah, And I can't really give you a concise
answer about why, but it's just a deep feeling that
I've got that I would dearly love to be a
father and I dearly love that that child to have
my DNA.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
But I guess the thing is that as part of
being a human is that you want to pass on
your genes, right, and it's a huge motivation for humans
that keeps the species going.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Yeah, so you want, you want to replicate yourself to
a certain extent, keep the lineage going. But I think
that once you had and I imagine if Jennifer Niston
had had adopted a kid, I think she would love
it just as much as if it wasn't her kid.
Is my point, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean, look the mount.
I love my dog Colin. He's got none of my DNA. No,

(01:22:21):
he's listening right now. Good book, Colin, good book. Good See.
I love Colin. Although I'm thinking about changing his name
to Warren, but I'll talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
That's another thing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
It's just I'm not going to get into the whole
Colin from Accouncil thing that people. People think I named
it after that TV show, but I didn't anyway. Yeah,
so this Texas is high Matt and Tyler. I am
adopted and in the last year have found both my
mother's birth mother and father's family. I used interest ancestry
of DNA and was fortunate enough to connect with a
first cousin straight away. I did it as I had

(01:22:48):
breast cancer fourteen years ago and have two daughters. I've
had other health issues crop up. I'm glad I did it,
as I am one of three in the same generation
on my mother's side to have had breast cancer. Well,
that's an interesting part part of DNA, isn't it. Now
My daughters know and can be tested for the BRCA
gen et cetera if they wish to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Thanks CAV that's a big alum to it. It's a
great text. Oh E one hundred eighty ten eighty. Love
to hear your thoughts on this. If you were adopted yourself,
did you, like Cath want to track down your parents
to get that DNA information. And indeed, if you weren't
able to have children for whatever reason, if you did
go down the adoption route, really love to hear from
you on o E. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
As Mars says, anyone could be a dad, but it
takes a special person to be a father.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Nicely, said Mars eleven past three Hu's talks, they'd be
very good afternoon. We're talking about DNA and children. Is
that so important? Jennifer Aniston, in a recent interview, said
she chose not to adopt a child she couldn't have
any of her own, but she didn't want to because
she wanted their child to her child rather to share
her DNA.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Well, this sext says, Hi, we adopted two children and
then had one of our own. No difference at all
between our love for them. We adore them all. That's
from dead beautiful. My sisters used always tell me I
was adopted.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Did you believe it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Yeah, for a long time, Martin. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Very good? Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
Now, I'm adopted. I knew from a very very tender
age that I was. And I met my birth mother
of twenty twenty one, and whilst she was the lady
that gave birth to me, she wasn't my parents. My
parents are the people that brought me up and taught
me the rules and know helped make me into the

(01:24:31):
man I am today, which I'm pretty proud of. But
in saying that, when my first child was born, I
felt completed because it was my blood and my bone
that had you know, and I hope that's the right

(01:24:52):
terms to use, but you know, when I looked down
and I saw this little child in my hands, and
you know, like all parents, you fall into a million births,
you fall in love, and you hope that it's during
during the life of becoming a parent that you do
the right things, and sometimes you don't and sometimes you do.

(01:25:15):
But like I've got two step daughters as well, and
I love them dearly, and then they do my head
and sometimes hope, you know, these are the things that
we you know, I met their mother and I fell
in love with her, and with her came two children.
And this is the road that I choose to travel.

(01:25:35):
So I've gone from being adopted to being a blood
parent to being a stepfather. There's three different worlds there
in its own right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Yeah. Absolutely. How old were you when you when you
were told that you were adopted? Martin?

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
So this is my grandmother, who was a very old
fashioned english woman, told me in years ago that I
rang her up at the age of two and said hello,
then I'm adopted and hung up the phone. But you know,

(01:26:11):
I knew all my life that I was adopted when
I received the letter from what they now call one
you know, family Wins or whatever it's called. And I
was sitting at the table and I was reading this
letter from this lady to say, hey, I'm your mother
and I rarely hope you've done well, and you know,
maybe we'll meet one day. Then I really really felt adopted.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Yeah right, And did that change? Did that change your
relationship with your biological I mean with your adoptive parents,
not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
The one thing, my one thing my mother said to
me was don't forget me. And I said, you know,
there's no chance of that. Obviously, you're my mum. You
know again, she's the one that we had brought me
out with the laughter and the tears, as the old
saying goes, you know, but yeah, it just it just
rang through. There's this lady that's trying to contact me,
and you know, I met Jackie and she's wonderful. I

(01:27:07):
don't know who the father, and I don't really care
because I've got a dad.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Yeah. Yeah, And do you know why you were put
up for adoption? And secondary question why your parents adopted you?

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
Yeah? So my mother was young. My birth mother letter
is I won't go into the reasons why she had
a child, but she you know, it was a time
that in the early seventies and it was frowned upon
to be a single mum in society, and she knew
that she couldn't give me the life that she wanted to.

(01:27:44):
This is what you know. These are her words. And
funnily enough, my parents, you know, they had a still
born child in sixty eight and thought they couldn't have
any more kids, so they adopted me four years later,
and then two years after that, my brother was born

(01:28:05):
and he was DNA. He was their child, and unfortunately
he was an autistic boy, and you know, he lived
to a age of forty seven and passed away. But again, yeah,
I appreciate the sentiment and thank you, but you know,

(01:28:25):
I'm one of these people that is I was blessed.
I feel blessed that I was brought up with two
great people who had a very strong heritage in New
Zealand within society. And you know we weren't rich or
anything like that, don't get me wrong, but you know
we had a strong history there. So you kind of, yeah,

(01:28:49):
do you think it I was adopted?

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Sorry you carry on, mar No, No, you first, I
was just going to say, and this might be, you know,
an unusual question, but do you think there's some element
there that people who go down the root of adoption.
It is because for whatever reason, maybe they couldn't have
children of their own, whatever their reasons may be, but
clearly their desire to be great parents is a big

(01:29:12):
part of that. That's the whole reason they'd go through
a process like that. Do you think there's there's an
element of truth to that?

Speaker 6 (01:29:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:29:18):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
In antabrico, I think everyone goes into everything if they
do it right for the right reasons. You know, my
parents ended up being divorced when I was two and
a half, but they still were fantastic parents for me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
And did you get did you get because you've had
the whole gambit? So then did you have step parents?
Did your mother and father get? You've had everything, you
have experienced everything, Martin.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
Yeah, Well I tell you what it's It's like Madagascar
with that fro circus. I can tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
So I'm proud of that, and I believe that.

Speaker 21 (01:30:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
I mean my parents. My mum's got to mention now,
so she's in the dementia ward, but every time she
sees me, she smiles. And you know, my dad's eighty
two and he's we get don't like a house on fire,
but do you do it? For the right reasons. You
don't you don't go, well, you shouldn't go and buy
hers as I say, I met my now wife and
she had two children. That's part of the package. You

(01:30:25):
can't go and half hearted or half asked. You have
to be committed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Yeah. Well, I mean the recipe of your life and
the complexes of it have ended up with a fantastic
human being. I can tell just by talking to you, Martton.
So however it played out, has played out fantastically for
the world that you were in it. So thank you
so much for calling mate.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
Hey, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Thank you what a great call. I eighte hundred eighty
ten eighty. If you're adopted or you have adopted yourself,
would love to hear your story. I eight one hundred
eighty ten eighties. Number to call. It's twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talks v.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Twenty four past three. We've been talking about adoption. If
you have adopted children, oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eight years A number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
This is an interesting one. The six is smart move
by Jennifer Nison. She has done the research. I was
adopted and have met both birth parents in my twenties.
Very grateful to the parents who brought me up, and
they were Mum and dad. But there is no replacement
for genetics. It's so important to feel normal around your genetics.
The adoption process is cruel to the birth child, who
has no rights to their genetics. Ever true that it's interesting.

(01:31:36):
I guys, are my wife myself have got two adopted children.
One is fifteen and the other is eight. Now, before
we adopted these two, I had the same thought process.
I wanted my own children. I could truly say that
these two kids that are mine mean more to me
than that I breeve. I love them more to me
than the air that I breave. I love them more
than anything else in the world. Have a great day,

(01:31:57):
Oh mate, that is beautiful. So yeah, yeah, it's the
genetic part of it, the DNA part of it not
important to that text at Craig, you've adopted three children.

Speaker 21 (01:32:08):
I surely have. I just said, listening to Tyler say
that about the part of the DNA sort of thing,
Just like that other Texas sent. As soon as you
get these these children, they are yours and they start
becoming you, they start, you know, looking on your tracks
and stuff like that. But that's definitely your children. They

(01:32:32):
regardless of the DNA, they are you. And to be
honest with you, I think I probably would love them
more than my own children. So I could have children.
We had seven years of vive the year and we
couldn't have children, so we went through the fostering process
and have adopted three children.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
That's that's interestingly adopted three children. Was that a number
that you always wanted three children as a family.

Speaker 21 (01:32:58):
Went for one. So through the fostering system, these children
are for what they used to call home for life.
So that I've come from an abused family. Okay, Mum
had two children, so we adopted our son at five
and our daughter at eighteen eighteen months sorry birth mum
at that stage was pregnant again. It was supposed to

(01:33:20):
be immediate uplift because of the person drugs. It wasn't
because one of the drawing people the kids together. We
fought for ten months. So when we got the third child,
she was ten months old.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Right, So just so I understand that, so all three
of your children are this from the same biological mother,
if I got that right.

Speaker 21 (01:33:48):
Correct, So one birth mum, but we have no idea
how the birthdads are.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
So when you started fostering, was that part of the
adoption process or you've started the fostering and then fell
in love with these kids.

Speaker 21 (01:34:01):
So we did so to foot fosterring. You've got us
sorry to adoption. You've got to do a year process
to be accepted to be a to adopt child. Through
that process because there's no real adoptions in New Zealand anymore.
We came across the home for life situation, so we
did another year of courses and stuff like that to

(01:34:22):
be able to go into a pool, to be able
to see if there was any children. Yeah, but it's
just because there are no adoptions out there. We looked
at these Basically, I think there's roughly about one hundred
and twenty eight kids in Auckland alone looking for a
penment sort of fostering situations. So we looked at that.

(01:34:44):
And then when we went and to a meeting about
the two children that were sort of sort of put
towards us, I just couldn't believe how the way that
people spoke about these children. That when I walked in there,
and I was like, I was really scared because they
were from abuse, they were from drug addiction and stuff

(01:35:04):
like that. But I walked out and me and my
wife looked at each other and I just said to her,
I don't care what we have to do. Sorry, We're
going to these children and we're going to love them,
because I just couldn't believe how people.

Speaker 5 (01:35:18):
Spoke about them.

Speaker 21 (01:35:20):
It was just like no, and to be honest, with
a loving environment, these kids have flourished, they're great.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Well, good on you guys. That's that's that's that's really beautiful.
Do you at what point do they know? Did they did?
Did you tell them that they were I guess the
five year old would would would have had a certain
amount of information. You know, how much information have you
given the kids?

Speaker 21 (01:35:44):
So our eldest boy he knows everything, so he knows
all the abuse that he went through. Our middle daughter
when she was eighteen months, she had an understanding, but
through cases they both know and our youngest has no idea.
So they know, so this is can we do it?
So they know that they've got a birth month, so

(01:36:05):
a tony month, but they know that their mum is
their heart mum.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
It's an incredible is there what mum sor aren't they.

Speaker 21 (01:36:14):
Their heart mum? Because they didn't come from her, Tommy,
they come from her heart?

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Oh right, nice? And do you think you know? I mean,
this is down the track. But well, what would the
kids be able to would it be possible for them
to find out who their father is? And such?

Speaker 21 (01:36:34):
We've done I think at last time seventeen they had
being an a test for the dads. We still haven't found.
As for the birth mum, we've always wanted to keep contact,
but she's quite abusive right towards us and towards the children.
So we've to the kids. So we've had eight years
in and out of court, like the whole time, eight years,

(01:36:56):
but we've left it up to our oldest son and
he's we still want to keep contact, but he doesn't
want anything to do with there. But again, like everyone
else is saying, we want to still have some sort
of contact there just in case in the future they
want to meet their mom for whatever reason. We're not

(01:37:17):
sort of obviously hiding that fact. But because of the
abuse that our sons had, no, he is not interested
at all.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
So you've got the and understandably so. And so you've
got the three kids and so the one mom. But
is that three different dads? You don't know, there's.

Speaker 21 (01:37:35):
Definitely two different dads. We think the oldest and youngest
are from the same dad, just because of the characteristics
of how they.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Look right right and does the And its kind of
a complicated questions as the mother had any more children,
because you know she's had more she has, right yea,
our goodness.

Speaker 21 (01:37:59):
So she's actually she's actually got an older son. He
would be sixteen seventeen. He's in the gangs. There is
a younger baby, I think she would be about four now,
but I think she's been uplifted as well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
Right wow, well, thank god, I mean, thank god for
people like you, Craig Is. Clearly you know you you've
got something in you that you're always destined to be
a wonderful parent, and clearly you are. And for those
kids as well. I mean, it's an incredible thing you
guys have done. And clearly, as you said before, the
children of yours, no matter the DNA, they are, your

(01:38:36):
kids can I.

Speaker 21 (01:38:37):
Just quickly just really just quickly check out anyone who's
out there in Auckland or in New Zealand looking to
adopt because there are no adoptions anymore. Please please please
go and have a look at postering children because there's
far too many of them floating in the system that
when then eighteen, they just get kicked down and they
don't have anything. So if anyone who's looking to adopt

(01:39:01):
or to sort of look after children, please please just got.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
To where would someone go? Whe would someone stay that
investigation into that possibility, Craig, So.

Speaker 21 (01:39:13):
Okay Otama, Ricky. They're the ones that look after basically
both adoption and the fostering. As I said, there is
roughly around one hundred and thirty when we were looking
at it, that was eight years ago. Kids in the
system that are looking for sort of a penman of time,
and yeah, they just get bounced around in the system.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Well, thank you so much for calling today, Craig.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Yeah, what a great man you are. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
What a grand New Zealander you are.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call.
I'd love to hear your adoption story, whether you were
adopted yourself or your adopted children. It is twenty eight
to four.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Things can be so complicated, can't. They certainly can very
very complicated things that sent out. But you know, yeah, Craig,
what a great man.

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Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
Thank you very much, Raylyan. We're talking about adoption after
an interview Jennifer Anderston recently did where she revealed that
she chose not to adopt because she wanted her children
to share her DNA.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Hi, we adopted the two children and then had one
of our own. No difference at all between our love
for them, adore them all, nice, deary and other six says.
I went for a foundation that supports mothers that are
looking to adopt their children for various reasons, cultural shame, religion,
et cetera. I witnessed beautiful adoptions. The first moment adoptive
parents meet their baby, it's an emotional time for all

(01:41:42):
those involved. They love their baby regardless of DNA. I
cared for a child for eleven years. We don't share
a bloodline. We share a love line that exists simply
because of our love. That's good. This text to David
said that I was adopted and have no interest in DNA.
I was chosen seventy years ago. Oh that's nice, beautiful, Tony.

(01:42:03):
You've got an interesting situation.

Speaker 20 (01:42:05):
Yes, I think, so it's about your nique throat. So
my my birth mother died in a car accident when
I was six months old, and my birth father was
not on the scene, and her twin sister ended up
adopting me.

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
Wow.

Speaker 20 (01:42:28):
Right, So I was able to keep half of my
family identity, I guess she could say. And for that,
I'm forever grateful because I know my uncles and my
aunties and my cousins on my maternal side of the family.

(01:42:48):
I feel like I'm privileged to say that I have
two mums. Yeah I don't obviously, I don't remember my
birth mum, but I have a she's a has a
very special place for me in my heart and my
adopted mom. She I think it was something that was
meant to be because she had a bad heart. She'd

(01:43:10):
had her valves replaced in her heart at about nineteen,
and she couldn't have children. It was it was strongly
suggested that she didn't, so she took me on to
look after me because there wasn't really anyone else to
step up. So this is when she was probably girl

(01:43:31):
twenty one, and her situation was that about twenty four
days after my birth mum died, her mom, my nana
passed away as well. Wow, leaving my adopted mum with
me as a six month old and a younger brother

(01:43:52):
at about fourteen or fifteen. So I said, sake gone
and look after.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
So you're your younger your younger brother from your your
mom who passed away.

Speaker 20 (01:44:04):
No yet, No, my my nana passed away. So my
mom's mom died and my mum, so my uncle, who
was fifteen at the time, she had me and my
younger brother and her younger brother to look after.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
So did you see that was your uncle kind of
brought up as your brother in that case.

Speaker 20 (01:44:27):
No, he was a bit of a rat bag and
he ended up getting shipped off towards he to live
with one of my other uncles.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Right complicated.

Speaker 20 (01:44:36):
Yeah, So I was brought up as an only child,
and just recently, I know, in my twenties, I met
my biological father. I don't have anything to do with
him anymore. I don't have a lot of time for him.
I'll just leave that there and it's just for in

(01:44:59):
the last was about eighteen months if she ago, I
found out through ancestry DNA that I did actually have
a brother. Was about eighteen months younger than me. So
my biological father had had a thing with a one
night stand with somebody, and I had a younger brother.

(01:45:21):
Fortunately I didn't get to meet him because he died
about nineteen years ago. And just we as a brother,
and like the two of us moved in the same circles.
We ended up going to the same high school. He
lived up in. This is basically the same street as me.

(01:45:41):
When he died. He played league with my so with
one of my cousins. Wow, and as a young child.
So I believe I probably met him at some point
as a kid, but I never got to meet him.
But now I have a niece and a nephew that

(01:46:03):
are in their twenties and a sister in law that
you know, I didn't know that I had.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
Got a relationship with them.

Speaker 20 (01:46:10):
Yeah, we're starting to sort of build a little bit
of a relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
It well complicated, and that your mom, it must have
been And I mean, how do I put this? That
you must have been a fantastic connection for your mom
with her twin sister that that passed away.

Speaker 20 (01:46:28):
I think so, I mean I think her and I
had quite a special connection. She was Yeah, I found it.
I think my parents, my mum and my parents told
me when I was I think I was about seven,
maybe six seven, that I was adopted because they felt
that I was going to pack up on something, because

(01:46:51):
being that it was such a tragic way that my
birth mum went, everyone that knew her and if they
saw me that, oh, she looks just like her mom
kind of thing, or she looks like like her dad
and she. I guess they thought at some point I
was going to go, I don't look like either of you,
So what's going on? And it took me a while

(01:47:11):
to I guess fully comprehend. I guess the dynamics of
how it all worked and how it fitted in.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Were they were they identical twins?

Speaker 20 (01:47:20):
No, they weren't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Well they would have been interesting. It's really interesting concept
that one.

Speaker 20 (01:47:27):
Yeah. Yeah, but I've gone on through my second mum.
She passed away in twenty fourteen, and six months after that,
I unexpected. They felt pregnant and I now have twin boys.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
So yeah, beautiful.

Speaker 20 (01:47:48):
Yeah, So it almost feels like they had to leave.
They both had to go before I got my chose.
So I don't know, it's just yeah, all connections.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Yeah, so much bringing up and sharing all that incredible
story and man, your family has been through a lot,
but the strength that I mean your adopted mum and
you have shown incredible complex situations that exist out there
in families. It just always amazing me how how everything
can work.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
Out, puts things in perspective, as they say, seventeen to
four back in a month.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news
talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Very good afternoons you we're talking about adoptions. Jennifer Anderson
recently said in an interview that she didn't want to
adopt because the child wouldn't have her DNA. But if
you've been adopted or you have adopted a child, love
to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Hey, what are the current ry that's just trying to
get to the bottom of it, because call of before
saying that you can't really adopt kids in the same
way as you used to. Yeah, so what does that mean?
What are the adoption laws in New Zealand rules anymore?

Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
I tried to have a little research, but it looks
pretty complicated if you've gone through it recently. Love to
hear from your send us a text.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
After many years of IVF, we were lucky enough to adopt.
Love him to death. Some days I don't like him though.
We're also lucky and have a foster grandson who lives
with us. That's from Pippa.

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
Yes, that's a lovely Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
Sometimes the people you don't like the people you love
the most. Yep, true, it can happen, Simone, Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 8 (01:49:16):
Hello, thank you for having me.

Speaker 14 (01:49:19):
Yeah, so mystre is a little bit different, unlike the
majority of your poor visit this afternoon. I wasn't given
up for adoption, and I haven't adopted anyone. What happened
was I gave my son up for adoption about twenty
sixty years ago. Now, So my story is, Yeah, I
was brought up in a really conservative environment and started
dating the son of a prominent religious leader and they

(01:49:42):
were quite big in our community and a one time
event and that was very when. I won't get into
any the details resulted in quite like a commotion where
I was living. It was quite a big thing, really,
and I was pretty much forced to give my son
up for adoption. It was a difficult decision, obviously, and

(01:50:03):
I did struggle with it quite a lot. But the
very day that I have oh you know, I was
sent to another country actually sot home for unwed mothers
to start the proceedings. And I had a difficult time there.
And a friend, or rather a sister of some very
good friends of my family in the country that I'm from,
which is Namibia. I was in South Africa at this time.

(01:50:27):
They heard about that hard time I was having and
they were like, oh, why don't you going today with
my sister, Helena. So I did, and she was going
through the force of parents that I'd want for my child.
And I said, Helena, honestly, your sister and her husband
are the most incredible parents because they had two children
of their own and I've never seen such incredible They

(01:50:48):
were such a strong family unit. And I said, for
all the parents that I'm going to be interviewing, you know,
they on my yard stack. A two hours later they
called me and they're like, one all we wanted is
your child, but we didn't want to broach the subject.
Long story short, I left the country, went back home
and Yeahanna Fulsha, she is the lady who adopted my son.

(01:51:12):
She was with me during the labor and we had
an open adoption, so I got to spend as much
time as I could with my son and it was
really quite amazing. But the very night that I went
in for my sazari in section, because that's what happened eventually,
because my son was going to be given up for adoption,

(01:51:33):
he wasn't allowed to be with me afterwards in my
little bassinette, you know, or me the baby would be
next to the month and the only other person in
the hospital for a newborn baby because I hadn't get
signed the documents, was in the neonatal ward. So he
went to the neonatal ward, and obviously hospital policy dictated
that all babies there needed to be hooked up to

(01:51:55):
you know, heart monitors and such. And in the middle
of the night all the alarms went or all the
bells were ringing, and he was actually airlifted to South
Africa to the Chris Barner at the hospital for a
very first of many heart operations. So it turns out
he was diagnosed with a very rare congenial heart disorder

(01:52:18):
called tricuspda treasia. And I think at that time they
were only to eat people known yeah with his condition.
It was a bit more complicated than you in Mass
and the whole thing was And I remember speaking to
Diana afterwards and she said, to meet some mane. If
you hadn't given your son up for adoption, he would

(01:52:39):
have died in the basinet next to you that night.

Speaker 7 (01:52:42):
Wow.

Speaker 14 (01:52:43):
And if for some reason, you know, he didn't. So
unlike New Zealand where I come from, there is no
sort of social services, There is no you know, if
you don't work, you don't get money, and if you
can't afford any medical facilities, then you just don't get any.
So I would never have been able to, in my position,
afford all the operations that he'd had to go through.

(01:53:07):
Whereas the family that did adoptor and had medical aid
and all of that. Wow, that was actually quite amazing relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
That must complicated because you could look back and you
would be I mean, I can imagine a certain amount
of resentment to the situation you were in and the
you know that that forced you into this adoption. But
at the same time, then on the other side of it,
you go it all worked out in a way that
it wouldn't have for your son to get that service.
So yeah, as I say again, I'll be saying all

(01:53:37):
this hour a complex So in your your relationship with
your son. Now.

Speaker 14 (01:53:43):
So my son, his name was Benjamin, So he passed
away two years ago. So, like I said, he went
for lots and lots of path operations and he was
on but I didn't think I would cry. He was
on the hard to transplant waiting list for about two years.
And if any I mean, if you know anything about

(01:54:05):
the situation, which I suppose not many people would. So
when your heart starts to fail, your body's incredible and
it creates something called collateral blood vessel, so it bypasses
the heart and basically just gets you know, the heart,
all the blood straight to the lungs. And when time
came for him to finally he got his heart, he

(01:54:27):
was rushed through you know, I think it was two
o'clock in the morning for his thirteen hour half operation
and the transplant. He knew that he only had a
six percent chance to actually come up alive because there
had been so many of these new blood vessels that
had formed, and the surgeons didn't they didn't think that
they'd be able to cauterize each of them properly. And

(01:54:49):
that is actually what happens. They got the heart in place,
and then unfortunately, when his heart started pumping again, he
bled out because there were some that they weren't able
to actually tie off, so he bled to death. But
I do want to say so I speak about them often.
I'm a teacher and interesting him though both of his
parents were it too, his adopted parents. And I was

(01:55:10):
even speaking about him today and I said to some
of the children, I said, he is the most incredible
person I've ever known. He was afforded such incredible obviously
knowing that he wasn't going to be living for very long.
He lived his life to the very fullest. And his
parents just being abled that in a way that I've
never seen before. And I knew that they were incredible,

(01:55:32):
But yeah, I could never, honestly, I could never have
given him the life that he got.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Yeah, thank you for sharing with us. I mean, an
incredible story, heartbreaking that you're an incredible person. Thank you
very much. It is six minutes to four.

Speaker 4 (01:55:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Wow, it's Obama, but we're run out of time. So
many amazing stories coming through, incredible, our credible conversation. I
think we can safely say you can that DNA isn't
a deciding factor and how much you love your kids,
you could say that. And there are so many kids
that need to be fostered, So ring ot if that
is something you might be able to do anyway, till tomorrow,
give them a taste of Kiwi from us. Thank you

(01:56:22):
so much for listening, Tyler. Why am I playing the song?

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
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bit tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:56:29):
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a little bit, and also give a little bit of
your love to me. You go, Fats, all right, hit
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