Full Show Podcast: 16 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, Great New Zealand, and welcome to Mattain Tyler
Full Show Podcast number two O six for the sixteenth
of September. In the Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty five.
I believe it's still twenty twenty five, although it's disappearing fast.
And the show today with some false advertising, we don't
get round to the topic of whether Gen X is
the best generation or the overlooked generation, or what is

(00:37):
the best generation. We're going to get to that tomorrow
because that blow up. Certainly people got pretty excited about
local body elections. You wouldn't have expected that, but that
really fired up. And then we went into the weight
loss drugs and that was a fantastic conversation as well.
And there's some really good stories from people and the
pros and con So yeah, good on you.

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Speaker 1 (01:09):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk
said they.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, good a to you, welcome into Tuesday show. Really
good to have you with us as always, Hug, you're
having a pretty good day where ever you're listening in
the country.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Man, get a Tyler. You know, some people in our
country work incredibly hard. I get up very early and
I walk my dog in the morning and there's a
cafe and it just struck me that that cafe is
open at six thirty am. Good people to serve me
a coffee. Yeah, because I'm a crazy guy that did
breakfast radio for eleven years. I can't sleep and so
I'm out walking my dog. But they're starting their day

(01:47):
that early. Yeah, just to serve me a coffee. Good
on them, bless them.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Good news Zealanders. So they know you're coming. They know
talks Big Matt on the daily walk.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
No, I mean they're open to business for any They're
not even for me, right, there's not a private coffee thing.
They're open for whoever wants to walk past. And I
can enough and lean in their window that goes out
onto the streets. You can just you can just order
the coffee from in there's a hole in the wall,
you order it. Yeah, And I just thought I was
thinking this morning Jesus is early, and they're up and
they're ready to go with a big smile in their
face to serve me coffee. So they deserve to stay

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in business and make a lot of money for a
very long time in that particular cafe.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I'll say the name of Okra Okra okraa ha is
the name of the cafe. Nice, goodod people, good people.
They are keeping this country going fantastic. Right to the
show today after three o'clock. This is going to be
a big one. We've already had so many ticks come
through on this one story about Generation X, and it
made mention that it might be the lost generation? But

(02:42):
is it quietly holding down the middle? Are they the
forgotten generation?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Gene X is my generation, and I don't think we're forgotten.
We just don't jump up and down like millennials and
complain and winge about everything. And it's been our entire
lives on social media, and we're not the target of
the hate of the millennials because they're firing shots over
us towards the boomers. And I think the boomers are
firing some shots back to the millennials. But I think

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we're they're quiet powerhouse of generations. I think we're quietly
getting it done, looking after our kids and doing a
bit for our parents at the same time, and.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Just focused on what's important.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
We're the absolute backbones of this country. We had the
best music, we had the best pop culture, best movies.
Everything peaks with.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Gen X and we continue to pick.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
That is a bold statement and we'll get your views
on that after three o'clock. After two o'clock you would
have heard about this, or maybe you haven't. We GOVI.
It is fast becoming very popular. It's a new weight
loss injection promising quick results. The latest person who's undertaken
this treatment is former Ukraine correspondent with sette rama. But

(03:54):
what it does It mimics a hormone in your guts,
so that makes you feel full, and it also interacts
with reward pathways in your brain, so you're less likely
to reach for the treats you used to love because
your pathways have been altered.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, so these injections to stop you eating have been
around for quite a while now. They were a new
thing a year ago, but people have been on them
for a while, lots of you will be thinking about
taking them if you're not taking them already. So do
they work? And how hard is it to get your
hands on it?

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I mean how overweight do you have to be before
the doctor will give them to you? And look, if
it's the magic pill, then well, if it's an injection,
it's not a pill.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, it's pretty full noise if you.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Get what I'm saying. Yeah, you know, rather than the
hard work that it takes to lose waste, and considering
how bad being obese is for you, then why wouldn't you?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Is there anything wrong with it? Yeah, that's after two o'clock.
But right now, let's have a chat about the local
body elections. So, if you haven't already, your voting papers
will be hitting your letterboxes very very soon. The voting
is open until October eleventh. If you want to vote,
you can do so today. But just a few steps
here on what happened last time we had local body
elections in twenty twenty two. In terms of turnout, less

(05:12):
than forty percent of people turned out to lack slack
And they won't be surprising to a lot of people,
but it appears that the hype around local body elections
is feeling about the same as last time, if not less.
That's my own feeling out there.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
And what percentage of people complained about the rates was
that that less or more than forty percent?

Speaker 3 (05:31):
That would be close to ninety eight percent.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
You know, the local elections say they represent your city, district,
regional councils, and these people they make big decisions about
our daily lives and the future of our towns and
cities that we live in and we love. They set
the rates, and they collect the rates, and they oversee
the town planning. They provide services, they provide your rubbish collection.

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You know, they're involved in so much of our daily lives.
The parks, the libraries, pools, yep, some of the pools.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Love a good pool.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Some of the pools, and some of the sewage and
some of all these things that are very important. And
yet the local bodys are just so low waterage in
terms of glamour that most of us, including myself, and
I see this as a failing in myself, but I
can barely open up this pamphlet that's arrived in my
mail yesterday and take the time to read each person

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and decide who I'm going to vote for.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, and I've seen you. You've been trying all days
since you've been here to get through there. And it's
not a big booklet.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I got excited because someone in there was from Shortened
Street at one point.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
You know, it's a good candidate.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
One of the candidates had a name that sounded like
someone I'd heard of on TV. I mean, I'm not
saying that I think this is bad because local body
elections have a huge effect on our lives. Massive you know,
the day to day you're driving around being annoyed by
the decisions made by your counselor. And yet we can't
be bothered to educate ourselves on what these people believe

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in before we vote for them, if we even bother
to vote for them. So what can we do and
how important is it? And can we rack people up?
Or is it just too low wattage for you and
you don't care and you'll wait to the general, glamorous election,
the Hollywood version of the democracy and vote then?

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah, can you to hear from you on this one?
I had one hundred eighty ten eighty What do you say?
How do we fizz up local body elections? How do
we make it?

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Six?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah? How do we get more buy in? Or is
it just too boring? Love to hear it from you?
Nine two ninety two is the text number as well.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
The sixer says Matt and Tyler. I voted once in
local body elections, got a crap out come, so many candidates,
so much background and foe to read. It's just too
much in my opinion, So I don't bother anymore from Craig. Okay, right,
I mean that's a that's a sorry state of democracy.
And I'm not judging you, Craig, because part of me
feels the same way. I mean, you can't be angry
at democracy because you've voted and it didn't go your way.

(07:51):
I mean, that's democracy, That's what it is.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Part of past words.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
If you really want to change democracy, you have to
come up with great ideas and campaign for your side
and convince a lot of people and put the work in. Absolutely,
but there is something about local body elections that just
they bring a yawn on.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
They certainly do. But what do you say? You might
be quite fizzed up about it, and we'd love to
hear why. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. It is thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons, excused talks.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
It'd be good afternoons. You we're talking about the local
body elections traditionally been a very very low turnout and
hype is almost non existent. But what do you say?
How do we jazz it up? And are you interested?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Now there's a couple of questions coming through and I
should know this, but you know, I received my little
package in the mail, right so I'm enrolled, so you know,
elections sign ups can go okay, final electoral role certified
by electoral officer on Friday, fifth of September, So can
you do? Can you? Because it's all got to be
can you? Can you sign up on the day?

Speaker 1 (08:59):
That kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
At the moment, we should get the bottom of that,
which yeah, we should because I'm looking at the timeline.
Voting papers sent out on the ninth, Voting opens on
the ninth, so that's open. Election signs must be removed
from all areas on the tenth of October, and voting
closes on the eleven.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, we'll try and get in touch with the Electoral
Commission actually to find out all those details, because it
used to be that you'd turn up to a library
and be able to fill out what they called a
special vote, but those rules might have changed, so we'll
get that information for you. Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty to number to call Paula.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
Thank you very much. Hi. So my name's Paula Muler
from Willington. I just want to say that I think
that you know, I strongly would recommend people to come
out there and vote. I mean, why wouldn't you want
to have your democratic voice heard. You know, if you
didn't have the right to vote, people would welcome the
opportunity to be able to vote. You only need to
number the candidates you want. I still, the STV system

(09:53):
gets confusing for people and they just feel like they
don't know where to start, who's running, what the candidates
are like. So I mean, even if they only rank
the people they know and have heard about and what
they follow, then they should actually plow those forms out.
I mean, it's a prepaid envelope that couldn't get any
easier the process. You just need to number them and

(10:15):
then put your you know, put it in the ballot thing,
and there's prepaid envelopes, or you can go and you
can deliver them anywhere you like, in their supermarket, the
libraries or local vps. There's a lot of places you
can drop it off. I mean, the process is very easy.
It's just that people their confidence in the councils has
diminished somewhat over the years, and people over time, as

(10:37):
we know, there's such a low voter turnout last time
around that it's like we need to restore the faith
and the communities to put it back onto them to vote.
Because people discuss issues on a daily basis and that
affects us all with you know, rise and rate increases.
You know about community services, you know, public roads. You know,

(10:59):
people get sew up in arms about all these issues
that are really really important to each and every one
of us.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
How much research do you think, Paul, how much research
do you think someone should do? Because that is clearly
and you're absolutely right, quite easy to vote. I mean,
they make it as easy as they possibly can for you,
and good on them for the work they do around that.
But as a vote where you haven't done the research
and don't really know who you're voting for, and you
just take a couple of names you recognize Really the

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point of democracy.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Or should we should?

Speaker 4 (11:28):
We?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Should we come out to doing some serious research before
we vote.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Absolutely should be doing your research. I mean, obviously there's
people that are that they vote for different parties. There's
people that vote and dependence. You need to go and
see what every every candidate stands for and go through
it thoroughly so you know the right people are getting up,
you know, because then people go, oh, I didn't vote
for them that, but it's a majority, you know. Obviously

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working together around the council table. I think no matter
what your party's filiation is, we should be united as
a council and not divided.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Say I'm one of those people and I know I've
got to vote, that's my duty a good citizen, but
I can't be bothered figuring out who all the candidates are?
Can I just leave that blank? So at least I
can still ever say on the mayor and just leave
the old councilor's blank. If I don't know who they are,
and I don't want to, why would.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
You leave them blank when you've got a boot plot description.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
But I guess if you haven't, if you don't think
you've got enough, because can you really know a candidate
by the little paragraph that's in the booklets. I mean,
if that's all you're going to read, then have you
got an idea of what they're actually going to do?

Speaker 5 (12:37):
A lot of the good candidates should have been sort
of campaigning in the areas of these communities they want
to represent. If they're a good candidate, and they are
a great, great enough candidate, they'll be doing the homework
and they'll be doing the yard to be able to
be honest enough to be elected to get into council
to represent their constituents. If I'm not freezing around, it

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doesn't show a very good sign.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Just up, no, no.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
But if you're not going to do that before you
get into council, what are you going to be like
when you get into council?

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, I mean that's that's that's a good point. And
it's on the candidates to spend the time so you know.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
So your community.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, and so if you haven't heard from your candidate,
then that's probably a good reason not to vote, not
to vote for them. But you know, with all the
things that we do in our life, Paula, you know,
we're doing our ird, we're dealing with our kids at
school where whatever other admin assurance there's something going on,
there's this we finished work when we're tired. Can you
see why people these days might feel like they don't

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have the mental energy to go through and get their
head around all the potential candidates.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
There's a couple of components. I think. Obviously there's that
whole stress fact and people are just over everything that's
been going on.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
You know.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
The second thing is that you know, people are unhappy
of the counsel and.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
The lah blah.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
One vote. Is it really going to make a difference
or absolutely it's going to make a difference, because if
we all think like that, as we know, in the
last elections we had such a low voter turner, everyone
had the you know, I've spread to a few people
in the communities actually say oh, we're not going to vote,
And I'm like, why wouldn't you have your say? If
you're in a country that was a communist country, you'd

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be dying the opportunity democratic.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Boy, maybe we should take away their right to vote
for ten years, so people get hungry for it.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
How to do it?

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Well, it's the typical story, isn't it that? You know,
most people there's something they can't do they want. But
you know, here we are, we all got the we're
a democratic country. You know, we've got the freedom of
expression and for our whatever we want to, you know,
our ideas to get on there so we can pack,
we can select. We put the luxury of being able
to select who we want in the council in our council.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for your call, PAULA
very good call. Oh hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. What do you say?

Speaker 2 (14:54):
But a lot of people are saying that they vote
for people and then when they get in they don't
do anything like they said they will.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
You know, I mean that happens time and time again,
doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I've got an idea for how people could know more
about who they were voting and all share it. And
I can already see a lot of problems with it,
but I'll still share my plan.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
It's twenty three to one.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
To review into the role of Eton Park.

Speaker 7 (15:19):
They are current rules that there are only six artists
allowed to play twelve shows a year, only on certain days,
and it's just embarrassing how bad we are as the country.
Christ Bishop is the REMA reform ministry as well us.
Do you feel the same way. It's just pathetic. It's comical,
isn't it.

Speaker 8 (15:30):
And the worst is therely allowed four concerts in a
four week period, so if you.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Want a good run of acts come out, you can't.

Speaker 7 (15:35):
So why is the announcement about an investigation as opposed
to just getting on and doing it.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
Because the law required me to do that, So we
gave ourselves the ability and central government to do this
just a couple of weeks ago. This is a very
new power and it requires me to start an investigation
and consult with people and then I have to make
an assessment.

Speaker 7 (15:51):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Raindrover News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
News Talk zed B.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
It is twenty six past one.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Okay, so you've got some information that we were talking
about before we have you here we go posting it
in New Zealand. You do that. Yes, I looked at
it posting and ask the question you answer it, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, so the question was can you make a special
vote at the last minute or on the day if
you so choose for your local body election? And here
it is right now, So posting it any New Zealand
postbox before Tuesday, the seventh of October and dropping it
in one of their Orange vote boxes before twelve noon
on Saturday, the eleventh of October. These will be available
in council library, selected supermarkets, retailers, transport stations and if

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you do not receive your voting papers by the twenty
second of September, you can cast a special vote at
any of those locations.

Speaker 9 (16:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
So, like, I'm looking at this booklet here and I'm
reading a bunch of different people and they're saying some
stuff that kind of means nothing. It's gobly goog. They
kind of don't want to offend people anyway, But whats
this is my selection. You know, when you're investing on
the stock market, you'll often get a waiting on how
dangerous you know, how volatile the stock is? Right, yes, yep,
you know ten yeah, out of ten or out of seven.

(17:02):
Often it's out of seven, you know, how safe the
investment is and often you know that the higher means
the rewards you know, potentially higher, but the risk is higher. Right, Yeah,
what about a bunch of sliding things for each of
the people that are running for it on issues like
you know how important out of ten they have to
say as lowering rates or keeping rates in check? You
know how important is public transport? How much important is

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the council debt? You know how important out of ten
is climate change? You know how important is raining in
the you know the unelected officials that make all the
decisions and councils anyway, all those kind of things. And
I guess it would get political deciding what those ten
things were. But wouldn't it be interesting just to see
a slider where people have with these candidates have to
put a number where they sit on the importance of

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those issues going down?

Speaker 3 (17:46):
So I was looking forward to ripping this idea to pieces,
But that's actually a good idea. Who doesn't love a shortcut,
and that's a massive shortcut to figure out where someone
stands on that position.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Charlie says, read the booklet followed up online. I'm now
recalled informed about how a big bunch of wounders are
standing for council if I vote them, and sorry, I'll
read this bet at Charlie got excited and I read
the head, read the booklet, followed up online. I'm now
informed about how a big bunch of wounders are standing
for council. If I vote for any of them, I'm

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endorsing in aptitude.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
That's a tough position to be in, Charlie Trevor, how
are you, evte?

Speaker 10 (18:23):
Yeah, good eay guys. Yeah, the local council elections, I
do believe that there's probably only about twenty or twenty
five percent of the figures that even bother to vote.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
I think of the last election, how many. But it's
up and down in different areas. That's across the whole country.
Some people in some areas are much more engaged than others.

Speaker 10 (18:44):
Yeah, yeah, well I'm down here in Manawa and there's
there's not a lot of following down here. But but
man is some some some mark rating going on. I
never thought it was, you know, like normal council elections,
it's just generally just a bunch of good buggers, you know,
want to do the best of their community. But there's

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a fight on the hands down here at the moment.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Great is that a that's going to sound like a
weird thing to say, Trevor, But is that a good
thing to try and get some spice and some hype
into what's going on there? You know, I was just
just thinking about the old Ray Chung thing in Wellington,
and I don't know anybody really who's standing in Wellington.
I know there's the old mate from labor who looks
like a shoe and at.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
This point, but it looks like a shoe.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well, you can look like a shit nice leather shoe,
but you know some And then Ray sends out that
email which was quite funny and pretty lude, and all
of a sudden, I'm kind of interested, even though I've
got no skin in the game. So you seen him,
I saying, a bit of spice, a bit of muck
raking might be just the ticket to get people a
bit more excited or outraged or both.

Speaker 10 (19:47):
Possibly, But from what I can see down here, generally
it's pretty much a foregone conclusion. You get you've got
people that the far right and the far left in
your one side that actually wants the god of the community.
They're just conservative, hardworking groups that's in bolts. On the
other side down here wants cycle ways and they want

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to stop the rubbish, want to put up once a
month and just all these learning tun stuff that you know,
like a small percentage will be hilarious about. And then
you've got three years for the rest of you know,
the rest of the community to try and put up
with it. And but the lies that's going on, like
they're taking sound bites because you can record all those meetings,

(20:27):
you know, going back years. You can go into all
those meetings that are recorded, and they're taking little sound
bites and saying, oh, this is what they said, but
this isn't what people have said at all.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, but that's a big problem, isn't in the current
age taking things out of context? To me as someone,
where are you seeing all this content? Because you know
I don't live too far from you and that I
live in Auckland. But this kind of controversy is not
leaking out of South Auckland into central Auckland.

Speaker 10 (20:52):
No, No, it's not. No, it's just on the Facebook,
the sort of their individual Facebook pages. So and then
there's people jumping on their Facebook pages and saying no
he said this, and no, he did it, and then
they're going on the other page and people aren't answering
the questions.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's spot Do you think that that kind of and
that people will reveal themselves and what kind of people
they are in this sort of back and forth, this
cauldroom of nastiness, that that sort of shows who someone is.

Speaker 10 (21:19):
To be honest, I think everyone knows who everyone is,
because because when you look at the number the number count,
there's only been like tweety people that have actually liked
the page or.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Seen that.

Speaker 10 (21:31):
No, but it's it's it's just hilarious if you go,
I can't even I don't really want to say the
name of the page, but yeah, I think you get
the idea. Yeah, yeah, it'll be it'll be all sorted out.
But one thing I have seen generally these people on
the councils, they are hardworking bunch, well most of them.

(21:53):
We did have one guy this year was a bit
of a scam. He made all the news. He's duffed
off back to You might have heard that one when
the said he was had a law degree and all
he'd done is a four week course in COVID.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh right, yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 10 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, when he's one of the yeah of the
mood in side. Yeah, he's still clicking a paycheck. Actually,
he reckons he was going to give up. Thanks the
other thing.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, I thank you for your call, Trevor.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
We'll look up well, we'll try and hunt down that Facebook.
But good luck and money ray where it sounds like
it's certainly heating up there. I W one hundred and
eighty ten eighty its number of cool. But you know,
am I am I a bit wacky by saying that
that a bit of spice and a bit of Archie barge,
he gets people raked up. And for the sensible people
out there in Runaway where in Trivia sounded like a

(22:41):
pretty sensible guy. He'll figure out who the nutcases are
by the very fact that they're trying to sling mud
for something like local body eleections.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I mean, get a grap Yeah, I mean when we
started that chat with Trevor, I thought, wow, this is
some back and forth and some scandal, and then twenty
lights on the Facebook. Pasey, it's not quite the scan
we want. But this sextus says, don't care. The buggers
put up the rates higher than people can afford. Whoever
gets in.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, well, I mean a lot of people are outraged
about the rates. But if you don't vote, then you've
got no say. But what do you say now? Our
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We've got headlines with Wendy coming up and then plenty
of calls to get to.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Youth talk.

Speaker 9 (23:21):
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with the blue bubble. The government's cracking down on international
adoption laws and the name of child protection. The urgent
changes will immediately stop kiwis from adopting children while overseas
and bringing them back to New Zealand. An RNZ Read
Research poll of one thousand voters shows forty two point

(23:43):
five percent of people say New Zealand should recognize Palestinian statehood.
It comes as a government weighs up its options on
the issue, with a decision to be made next week
ahead of a UN summit in New York. Attorney General
Judith Collins has a message to people speculating about the
Tom Phillips saga, saying the needs of the children come first.

(24:03):
It comes after the leader of Child Matters pen an
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There's documents from two party Maori president are unacceptable. John
Tarmaheaty agreed with comments from MP Tacouter Ferris who claimed
ethnic labor volunteers shouldn't campaign in Mary's seats. Chris Hepkins

(24:24):
says if the comments reflect to party Mary's views, it
would be difficult to work with them. Plus Deddy decline
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as many see the full story It ends at Herald Premium.
Now back to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Thank you very much. When you we're talking about the
local body elections, you can vote now. Voting is open
until October the eleventh. Are you fizzed up about it
or do you just not care?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
So we're talking to Trevor before, and I've gone to
that Facebook page that's firing up in South Auckland about
the political situation there and making the election a little
more exciting locability elections. Maybe I'm the wrong place because
all I can see is the chess freezer for sale. Right,
there's some oysters available night um look pretty good. There's

(25:10):
there's free some bikes and a couple of dryers to
a good home. So yeah, I'm not seeing a lot
of hot political back and forth yet, but I'll keep searching.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, I'm muffins.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Someone's got some muffins.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
I might just message with them about that chest freezer actually,
because that looks pretty good and it's free.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
These brand muffins they look pretty good as well. They's
got sixty three likes those brand muffins.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
I can see why eighty ten eighty is a number
to call.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Hey, guys, I used my local body voting papers to
light the fire last night.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Cheers.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, at least you're engaging. Yeah, Someway, Debbie, welcome to
the show.

Speaker 11 (25:54):
Hello. I got my voting papers on Friday, and I'm
new to the areas, so I don't know any of
the candidates. And when I looked in the little wook
clot it gave me no idea except some visual appearance
whether they were left or right. Fortunately, the green person

(26:15):
fessed up and said they were green, so I was
able to strike them off. I have a terrible allergy
towards the left, and so I don't want to vote
for any lefties. But it gave no indication and most
of them did not put a contact email address, so

(26:37):
I can't contact them.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
It's interesting because you know, in the general election, you
know which party people I mean, you know there are independents,
but generally you see what party someone is going for. Obviously, yes,
And you know in America then and all their elections
that people are Democrats, are Republicans. And I know the
ACT Party has putting candidates out there that are affiliated

(27:01):
to the ACT Party. But it is interesting that in
local body elections, generally speaking, it's not the main parties
that everyone knows is basically what they stand for. So
do you think that would be handy? I mean, obviously
we can't force that because we want indevenience, but do
you think that the major parties should get out there
and make it clear who they're endorsing more?

Speaker 11 (27:22):
Yes, And they no longer have those public meetings where
you can go along and ask questions of the candidates.
That doesn't happen anymore, so you know, it's just a
big calm.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, we'll think if you are call gebby this Texas says.
The reason it's so challenging to vote in the local
body election is because most local body counselors don't actually
get out in the community enough, so nobody knows who
they are, so it makes it even more challenging to
learn who they are are just an election time. So
it's still good to vote, But how are you supposed
to vote for the right person if no one knows

(27:56):
who they are? As for the weight loss injections, we'll
get back to you on that one.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, it's coming up after two o'clock.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I love someone that addresses two issues that we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
The old double topic. Yeah, Debbie, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Here?

Speaker 12 (28:09):
Good morning that Look, I'm Debbie and I'm actually a
candidate for in christ search, so I I'd love to
answer a couple of your questions. You obviously answered the
one before about when the papers are all out to
you and special voting and things like that, so that's
really good. The other thing, too, was you asked, can

(28:30):
you lead parts of your vote and paper blank just
vote for one thing? Yes you can, so you know,
absolutely you can. I mean my you know, I know
plenty of people that are doing that because they don't
know enough about the other people and I and that's
their prerogative to do that you know without anything, you know,

(28:50):
I said, well, you know your informations there, but they
just don't want to They just want to vote a
certain way. And then and I thought, well, good on
you for just wanting to do that anyway, whatever you
decide to do. I think what's really important is that
people understand. It's really sad to hear the prior callers
saying that there's no public meetings. I've got I'm doing

(29:12):
six stuff this week in christ Church, including last week
and then next week at the university campus as well.
So there's pet going on in different areas. So any
group can actually create the event, whether it's a church
group or residents association group, or whether it's the university
group as well. So and that's the way that they

(29:34):
get their feedback as well, because I totally understand we
are only limited to one hundred and fifty words to
tell you a little bit about ourselves, and that's quite
limited to do that.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
But it's also do you think do you think the
people you know, if you look through the booklet that
you're in with other people, do you think the people
that are you know, vying for the vote get out
there and spend enough time telling people what they believe
in and getting no one out there. Do you think
across the board there's enough effort put into that. I'm
sure it's it differs between candidate, But do you think
that that Do you see a lot of campaigning?

Speaker 12 (30:09):
Well, yeah, I do see a lot of campaign I
see a lot of people spending money on getting their
name out there, but that still doesn't tell you a
lot about them. I've been fortunate that I'm an incumbent
and have been for full term, so I'm fortunate that
a lot of people recognize me, my.

Speaker 13 (30:30):
Name, etc. And know what I do in the community,
which I'm hoping for. It's a lot of weight for me.

Speaker 12 (30:36):
I think what's important for people to also understand is
the political leaning groups, and that may be different from
region to region as well. So there's left and right
and then there's in the middle of the road independent
And that's why a lot of people wonder what does
independent actually mean? Like I'm independent, and I had the
press the other day saying, well, you're independent, but what

(30:58):
does that mean if you fit left or right around
the table? Are you going to sit left or are
you going to sit right? And I said, well, the
joy about being independent is that I can sit in
your vigility, common sense decisions that are wanting to be made,
So I don't need to sit with a political grouping
on being told how to vote. I think you need
to vote how the people want you to vote. And

(31:20):
I think that's that's why I've put my hand up.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Anyway, there should be a little bit transparent, though, Debbie,
about who you could align with on the council, right,
because I know there's plenty of independence. They put their
hand up and they probably are independent, but they still
have counselors who they would prefer to work with and
whatever metrics you use, and sometimes that's along party lines.

Speaker 12 (31:42):
Yeah, absolutely, And look I've already had words with some
councilors and they say that that you know obviously work
well with me. I've put my hand up for a
specific reason because in our particular Bard, for instance, we've
got independent representation one ward, independent representation in another. And
so I'm standing in a ward where there is not
that independent representation because we're outnumbered. The councilor is currently

(32:06):
outnumbered by about two or three, and so they want
more of the independent representatives around the table.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Now, Debbie when it comes to voting, and this is
I think a lot of focuses on the mayor. How
important is the mayor compared, in your opinion, compared to
the people that are elected around around the mayor.

Speaker 12 (32:29):
Oh, you mean the council. Okay, so there are a counselors.
And let's remember that the voting structures are different around
the country. We have STV, which is a good system
because it allows you to vote who's actually making decisions
for you. Here in christ you're only allowed to vote
for one counselor and you're making decisions for the entire city.

(32:52):
So what's the difference, Well, no difference really, other than
perhaps the salary. The mayor is just one vote around
the council table and that's just you know. So, if
you're voting for a right leaning a MIA, then I'm
presuming you'd want to vote for right leaning you know,

(33:15):
in a right leaning Countil candidates as well. Yeah, and
the other and the other way. If you're voting for
a less leaning MIA, then I'm presuming that some would
want to vote the other way as well.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Thank you for your call, Debbie.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, someone was saying.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Here that they have their booklet through chat GPT, and
it listed the political position of just by reading the
paragraphs that the candidates are put in listed where they
said on the political spectrum. If that's the way you
want to judge it, yeah, then and if you are
willing to believe chat GPT's analysis, yeah, I mean, some

(33:53):
people think that the AI overlords are coming, So I
want to speed it up by just shoving your electric
book through AI and seeing what it wants.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Get on the bandwag and early right it is thirteen
to two, beg very shortly.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
The more of your calls.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
You're home of afternoon Talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
call eight hundred eighty youth Talk said, be very good.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Afternoons You're eleven to two. A whole bunch of texts
that comes through on this one.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Gabby is proving the problem of current political landscape. Why
shouldn't it matter whether they stand left or right? It
should stand It should be what they stand for on principle. Yeah,
And I guess ultimately you'd want someone that voted on
each issue logically and from a principal position. But equally,

(34:44):
people don't seem to have much time or inclination to
really look into what these councilors actually believe in or
know enough about them to know how they would vote.
So a lot of people texting through would like to
know where they sit on the political spectrum. But I
do actually think it's massively problematic that we look at
everything in terms of left and right, because quite often

(35:05):
left and right will swap and their opinions going, you know,
and there's things on. You know, it's not as simple
as lift people vote like that's the right.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
People vote like that, yep, not quarters black and white,
especially when they get in Yeah, Francisco, how are you?

Speaker 6 (35:19):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (35:19):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Very good friends?

Speaker 10 (35:22):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (35:23):
I agree completely with the first scholar Allah when she
said she explained very well, you know about going to
or sending the vote for the coming election. Look, it's Cantabrians,
haven't don't be lazy, same same. It's easier now every

(35:46):
every corner, for example, in the supermarkets you can find
as well the places where you can drop your vote.
So it's nothing to do with doing uh, I don't know,
going somewhere where nobody it's difficult to find, you know, places,
and this time it is going to be crucial as well, well,

(36:08):
because every year I am a retired person, okay, I
am a pensioner, and every year seeing the rage rising
rising rising really is very very depressing. Okay, So it's
not I think. I think something has to be done

(36:29):
in the near future otherwise this thing is not going
to stop, especially for people that own homes, all right.
And this is the maya that we need to do
as well. To elect needs to be a person who
serves the city, not the city to serve that person

(36:52):
either a man or a woman. Okay. So this is
for me important and I come from Peru. In Peru, look,
this is like a suggestion, okay. So if it's so
easy here for people to say no, no, I don't
care about going to vote, who cares about.

Speaker 15 (37:11):
The new.

Speaker 14 (37:14):
Maya or the new prime minister?

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Okay?

Speaker 14 (37:18):
Over there, if you don't go to vote, all right,
you are fine with about forty New Zealand dollars okay, right,
And if you don't don't pay for a while you
even are I don't know how can but you can
do your papers at the bank, for example, because they

(37:42):
will ask you for if you had your over there
in Peru, for example, if you had your ID okay,
with the with with that thingle that this it says,
yes has been this person has vote.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
It's a great point, Francisco and yep it certainly it's
pretty easy. Pretty one of.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Those easy to vote here. Also, you don't have to
do it every month, you don't have to do it
every three years.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Thank God for that.

Speaker 16 (38:14):
It is.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Thank you so much for you all, Francisco, seven to two.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons NEWSTALGSB News Talks B.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
It is forty two.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Hey, lads. Down here in Christ, some legend has created
a website called how They Voted dot z easy as
to tell who you're voting for as it shows you
what the candidate has previously voted for. We all know
they fluff and hide what they're really about in the booklet.
This website's facts and figures everywhere, which is handy for
someone that's been in there before.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, what a legend. Fantastic right. We're going to carry
this on because so many people want to have a
chat about it. There's low call politics too, boring, refizzed.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Up talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoons NEWSTALGSB.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Afternoon to you, welcome back into the show. Seven past two.
We're going to carry on our discussion about local body elections.
It's underway now. You can vote if you want to today.
Voting is open until October the eleventh. But are you
fizzed up about it? Or is it just too boring?
And if it is too boring, what needs to happen
to get some excitement into it?

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Well, this Texas is boys. You want buying on council elections,
just hold them the same day as the general election.
Do all your voting in one hit. What is the
logic around that? We tried to talk to someone in
charge of local body elections nationwide. Not easy to find
someone because all the areas are run a slightly different situation. Yeah,
we thought we'd just be able to get the Orange

(39:44):
guy on the phone, but he's not willing to fiss up.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
They stand him down for three years to say.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
The Orange guy is local as well as he is.
Are they still using the Orange Guy?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I don't know, Yes, the Orange Guy still around. I
love that guy.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
He's triggering for people. You know, I work in the
animation industry. The poor quality of that animation. It's like
what you learn at Commuter Science a university, the first
piece of animation you do. Anyway, that's he needs to
That's a side issue. Yeah, maybe he's been Maybe he's
been put to rest afternoon too. My biggest issue is
I believe Wellington Council haven't done a very good job

(40:18):
and it affects our suburb. But as us who live
in the surrounding areas don't have a say in how
Wellington Council works, So what do we do? Yeah, I
mean that's an interesting thing if the effect of your
council leaks into areas around it. But that isn't covered
by the you know, the general government, Yeah, the central government.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, that is a big for shock. Yeah, and how
are you good?

Speaker 17 (40:44):
Thank you? I could not resist calling you. Couple of
weeks ago. You had one of my local area candidates
on the phone to the mat and Tyler Showy. He
and his wife were standing for local council because they
wanted to give back to their community. Yep, well, my
local area, which I believe Tyler is your local area

(41:07):
held a meeting last night to meet the candidates, right,
and this wonderful couple and any anyone who's actually still
on the on this particular board. Although they were invited
to the meeting, not one of them turned up.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Neither of the couple, neither of that couple turned up.

Speaker 17 (41:26):
Neither did any any any of the people that were
standing or who are already on the board and standing
again turned up.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
So who turned up.

Speaker 17 (41:36):
Are the candidates for other candidates.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
So no candidates that were actually on that have actually
been currently in powers.

Speaker 17 (41:44):
Just the Mount Welling Mount Wellington Licensing Trust.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Board, right, And so they were organizing this pardon the
Wellington Licensing Trust. Mount Wellington Licensing Trust was running it.

Speaker 17 (41:55):
No, they weren't running them, but they were invited to it.
There was a there was a local group who had
a meeting to come meet come and meet you candidates,
right and the crowd and he was on your stasion
the other day about how he wanted to give back
to the community. And they were personally invited and they

(42:18):
didn't turn up.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
How many people were at the function.

Speaker 17 (42:21):
And I really don't know, but fifty I think, oh.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, I mean that's definitely worth talking to fifty people
one on one one.

Speaker 17 (42:28):
Last night been might not have been as much, but
it was just people who were genuinely interested. We wouldn't
have gone to the meeting if we weren't genuinely interested.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, I mean, you'd think they'd be looking for You'd
think they'd be looking for opportunities. If they're wanting to stand,
they're looking for opportunities to talk to people.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Do you think there was a there was a good
reason why they didn't turn up me in.

Speaker 17 (42:48):
No, Tyler, but he's in your area and he t
was the one that I heard say to you in
your area, So just don't go when you recognize the name.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Now, And why didn't Tyler turn up to this meeting?
That's why I want to know he's in the area.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
He wasn't.

Speaker 17 (43:04):
Well he might.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
And I turned up late and they'd shut the doors
on me.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
They'd been drinking.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah, and I was you know, I understood there'd be sandwiches,
and there was no sandwiches. I took off.

Speaker 17 (43:16):
There were any sandwiches.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
What was that about? Not even a biscuit? You know,
it's hungry.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Thank you Ann for your call, But I mean, you
think that you know, that's your opportunity to campaign. Absolutely, yeah,
I'm in this person here saying. A meryoral candidate was
at a local farmer's market on Saturday, stood by a
sign written car the entire time, did not introduce himself
around the stalls, did not give a friendly family face
to my kids. I stopped a chat. He did not

(43:42):
ask me anything, not that it's about me, but if
I'm going to vote for a new mayor, I want
to feel you care about people first. I've met a
number of politicians in my life and some of them
just the way they work a room is quite impressive.
You know, the handshakes, look you in the eyes, that
ask you questions, the just influence the entire room. And

(44:02):
some of the most successful candidates that are like that,
they have an ability to engage in entire room. And
you know, not how many people are there, you know,
if it's five, ten fifty to twenty one.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Hundred, yep, I've got the one thousand gift of the gab,
don't they? And aura about them that you know they're
in the room.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Well, they want to be engaged with people, and it
seems silly to run for office if you're not someone
that wants to press the flesh and hear what people
have to say. You know, if you're a massive introvert
and just want to stay inside and sit by yourself,
it's probably not the right gig for stare.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Buy your car and say nothing. Just don't go to
the markets.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Turn up with you with yours signed car. I don't
really like people. I don't want to like engaging with
the public. It's not really my thing. But I'd love
you to vote for me for mere.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah, good luck to that person. Oh one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. We've got full boards.
If you can't get through, keep trying. It as twelve
past two.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Wow your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk zed.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
B, News Talk zed B. It is quarter past two.
We're talking about local body politics.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Shawan says, other than the n games, who actually knows
their local candidates? Well, that's the big question we're asking here.
You get a little a booklet and you look for
it and you read, you know, a paragraph on someone.
I'm reading a paragraph here on someone he's been on
shortened street good And you know, is that enough to
vote for someone? Their picture in a little bit, or
would you like to talk to them? Would you like

(45:28):
to see them?

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I mean, can someone run a rally?

Speaker 4 (45:31):
You know?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Is there any political candidate in the local body election
that could pull a thousand people to a rally where
they stand up and stump up and talk to people.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
It would be nice if they could, but I think
for a lot of them thinking about that idea, it's
kind of like hosting a party and nobody turns up.
I mean, could there be anyone out there that would
get more than twenty people.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
A massive political rally and there's one person there?

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Yeah? Yeah, that would be awkward. Craig, how are you mate?

Speaker 18 (45:59):
There's a few things. I've been to a couple of beatings.
How I was that one last night out of Karaka
and one the other week. And what surprises me is
you would think you go into a great power convention
that people can attend these public meetings. I would say

(46:20):
ninety nine percent of them would be sixty five plus,
which is really sad for our cities that the younger generation,
and when I say younger both in age up to
sixty five. They're just not present, which is which is
really bad. But we're very apathetic and I am everybody

(46:43):
is that it's not into or something attacks you or
threat is something that your passionate about. This threat is
that you actually get as bold. And that's what we've done,
you know, to save our speedway in Western Springs, and
we know this election is crucial, so we've done we've

(47:05):
done the canvas scene of all the candidates or candidate
and councils and we've spoke, we've basically interviewed them and
we've spent hours with them, and we've just started an
advertising campaign on your radio station to hopefully direct people

(47:25):
to our website where if they wanted to save our speedway,
they can go to our website see what council the
councilors that lost candidates manding at each ward and there
is the vote to save us speedway.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Craig, if you had a rally, do you think you
could get a decent crowd to turn up? If you
if you booked a hall, could you pack it out?
How many people?

Speaker 18 (47:47):
Where would have book the hall? Absolutely, I believe, And
where would to book a hall?

Speaker 6 (47:52):
And we were to have.

Speaker 18 (47:55):
People candidates turn up. I believe we could get a
thousand people easy. It's a big issue in autumn this year.
Trouble is the current mayor wouldn't come, and any counselor
own counselor that is voted against the speedway wouldn't come
because they don't want to be accountable for their decisions.

(48:16):
And that's where we're really lucky. And you know, I
don't take counsels a corrupt that they can be unlawful.
And the male candidate, all of the people that we're
endorses and that are willing to find that viable future
for speedway at Western spreads all of the candidates, some

(48:39):
probably center sent to right leading people. They're the menal
candidates are doors would be sent to center left. And
I spoke to her in debt because most of our
supporters don't only votes on that side of the spectrum.
But we are one issue campaign and I've just sent

(49:04):
to the male candidate, we're a dorsey that you're when
you win, you're the captain of the team and you
have to bring the team together. Step walks select for
you to work with. That's something that currently and you know,
it takes a very special person unite.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Yeah, well, good luck with that, Craig, And I think
you're right there are a few people who do care
about that speedway.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
A thousand people is not a bad rally.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yeah, what do you reckon would be what do you
need to see if you're going to turn up to
one of these local body stand ups meet your candidate?
What do you need at that particular meeting. I think
sandwiches are a must. You've gotta have club sandwiches.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah, potentially mean you just want to have some kind
of way to hear people of it. I guess it's
a different era though, Tyler, because that used to be
the only way. I mean, we're going back in time
that we people had to go out and hear people speak, right, Yeah,
that's the way it used to work. I mean now
people just putting out social media posts, right.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
There's a good point. Yeah, thirty seconds on TikTok oh.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
One hundred and then you don't have to make the
asparagus roles.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah, Aaron, how are you? I tell you very goods?
And what's your thoughts? So you're you are standing again
for counsel and you've been re elected unopposed Darren.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Yeah, yeah, there's five people across the country the counselors
that got that, and weirdly three of them were in
christ Chips, so that was a bit of a surprise.
But I don't know, I quite know what that means.
Then wasn't super happy about it, but it's got its
pros and cons. I quite like the scramp.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Are you still running a massive campaign.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Well trying to help others because I don't want the
crist Yes is an amazing place at the moment, and
it's going in a really direction and it could go
a bit quicker in that direction, and so I'll obviously
be back in film major to be to carry on
as near but we need a few more counselors that
think our way so we can get more done. So

(51:04):
what I did is I've put together a website. I
think someone might have texted in about it before and
I think they use the word legend, stretch along stretch.
But it was more about putting up so people. As
an elected member, people asked all the time who bloody
voted for that? And because you see them where the supermarket, pub,
gig whatever, and people get really really upset about certain things.

(51:28):
So what I did is put up a website how
they voted, dot and z and that has a list
of all the contentious stuff over the last three years
that people have voted on and which way each councilor
went and the number of messages I've had and from
all over the country, people in other districts want that
we are.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
A fantastic service. Now, someone that has campaigned in the past,
what works in local body elections? Is it things like
this online things? Or is it a turning up at
events that people organize like the one end was talking
about before on the line, or is it billboards hoardings?
What does it actually gets people to vote for you
an election win? Turnouts are often quite low.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Yeah, well, I don't want to give away all the secrets.
But this so once upon a time, elections for a
competition of ideas, and I wish that's where we were
back now. I love that concept and I love the
idea that I put forward, an idea of flying cars
and you go, no, that's nonsense. I'm going to make
the train. Yeah, we're going to have them in christ

(52:30):
Chitch in the next three years. But they're a side
that's a story for another day. But it's a true
one and you'll love it when you see it. I mean,
actually your eyes will water within. Then you guys will
move and base yourselves in christ chits and put your
show from here.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
But that invites an open mine down there and love it.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we It's so it used to be
a competition of ideas. It turned into a name, into
a popularity competition. Just oh yeah, that guy's off shortened
street or whatever, ex all black, blah blah, I'll vote
for them. And now it's it's I think it's stooped
to almost the level of just being a name recognition competition.

(53:09):
People go, Christy, can I spot any name? May even
recognize on it?

Speaker 8 (53:13):
I know?

Speaker 2 (53:14):
And you know what, Aaron, That's That's when I wanted
to talk about this today because I thought, gosh, I
absolutely believe that democracy is really important, local body. And
then I was looking through the bocklet and I was
glazing over, and then I saw someone, a couple of
people that I recognized, and I thought, boy, you know,
I can't judge other people when I'm that That's the

(53:34):
way I'm looking at the election, and I don't want
to be like that. So I'm going to try and
not be like that. But I can see how everyone
slips into that, you know, because because one hundred, we've
got tiny attention spans now, and so we.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Yes, well, that's the idea of the website that I
put up, is that is to work on those tiny
attention spans. And of course all the Greenies getting upset
because the things that upset people are speed hunts and
bike lanes and some they're all the usual stuff that
you here on your show all the time, but people
don't know who voted for that and why they voted that.
So we've put that up. But someone's running this year.

(54:09):
If you're getting no attention and you're going nowhere, just
step put up one issue, just make it really clear.
So then when you look on it, you go, oh, yeah, Matt,
he's the one that will have zero speed humps in
his ward. I'll vote for that guy. Or he's the
guy that's going to put him cycleways on every corner,
great vote, whatever your thing is. Just put one really
big issue up that you know gets people upset, and

(54:30):
then what's what happens.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Yeah, I know that you've tapped into a rich vein there,
because I've got to say, Aaron looking online all I
over hear in Christ just anger over speed bumps. It's
god speed bump crazy down there.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
It has and everyone that was elected last into this
team will currently in. None of them went in on
a mandate. I'm going to put speed bumps everywhere and
so the public are furious. So that will be what
flips the council.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Do you think Do you think though, for democracy going forward,
if we're electing a bunch of one issue candidates, that's
going to be a good thing because when you get
in there, they've got to sit on a lot of
different issues that they potentially don't care about. So maybe
that's a good way to get elected. But is that
a good way? Is that a good counselor someone that's

(55:19):
going in on one issue.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
If it's a big issue, it's helpful. Otherwise the alternate
to that as you get a counselor in there that's
standing on no issues, So just just someone in there
at least I like the speedway guy.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
There's some people that are standing on the issue of
wanting clear there's some people that are standing on the
issue that they want to be paid to be in
the councilor very true, and I want to stay there
once they're in.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, there is. Yeah, Aaron, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I'd say good luck, but you're already in, but good
luck to your team as well. It is twenty six
past two, Beck very shortly, but can you hear from you?
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Call Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. On news Talk ZB twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Past two, we've had thousands of texts come through on
local body.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Politics, Linda says I will vote on anti Auckland transport, micromanagement,
non climate alarmists. No one mentions that in their blurb though, Linda,
to be honest, I really didn't follow local politics until
I found one particular candidate that was present. Charlie Kirk
on social media as a great man. I believe in
free speech, but hate speechesn't free speech. New Zealand doesn't

(56:32):
need people in power who follow or promote blatant racism
and misogyny. Yeah, and interesting, I think that person needs
to probably read around a little bit more before they
make their decisions. Yeah, vote out every councilor who allows
rates to rise way above any acceptable premium in this
cost of living situation, where in over fifteen percent has
really affected the more vulnerable elderly people.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Nice, and this one is a great text. Gerde Fowlers.
I never voted in the last local elections and I
wasn't going to bother this time. But after listening to
you guys this afternoon, I have now voted and put
the papers in the envelope. I'll mail it tomorrow. Cheers boys,
Cheers New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
So an hour and a half of talking about local
body elections and their importance and we have made a difference.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
We got one across a lot.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
One vote.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yeah, that's all it needs.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
That's that's that means I don't have to vote now.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
No, just kidding, just kidding, you'll do the right thing.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
I'm going to vote.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
I think it's very important. You've got your week book
there and I'm going to be a better person and
I'm going to do my research. Yeah, okay, we're just
going to vote for the most famous person on the list.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
All right, I promise, all right, all right, there has
been a great check coming up after the headlines, we
won't have a chat about we go vy we Go
V if you haven't heard of it is a new
weight loss in jettion promising quick results. It is freaking
everywhere by the sounds of it. So if you're on
the old we gov or sex ind Or is another one,
love to hear from you. On O eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty and coming up just after the headlines,
we're going to catch up with Dr Brian Biddy. He

(57:58):
is a very well known GP and pottydoer and also
a chair of General Practice New Zealand. So this is
going to be good. It is twenty nine to three.

Speaker 9 (58:09):
US talks at the headline West Blue Bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. The government's urgently banning
Kiweis from adopting children while overseas and bringing them back
to New Zealand. The ban will last until twenty twenty
seven at the latest as the government works on a
new adoption framework to prevent harm to children. Food price
inflation are starting to stabilize. Latest figures from Stats and

(58:32):
Z show the food price inflation is a five percent,
unchanged on a month ago. Falling interest rates are yet
to flow through to the housing market. New data from
the Real Estate Institute shows markets remain sluggish. Hawk's Bay
peach growers may be forced to pivot as their contracts
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(58:54):
no longer needed. Those wanting to go to Auckland's Laneway
Festival early next year may need a day off work.
The popular music festival has been announced for the fifth
of February, a day before White Tony Day when it
ran this year, meaning to holders who work a Thursday
might need time out of the office. Plus, Banking Watchdog
releases a ruling after A and Z staff helped customers

(59:16):
send two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to scanners. Read
more at enzaid Herald Premium. Now back to Mats and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Thank you very much, Wendy. So, if you've noticed the
buzz around we go VI, the new weight loss injection
promising quick results, You're not alone. Many many people undertaking
that treatment, including former Ukraine correspondent Lizette Raema. She wrote
a story about it. So this drug mimics a hormone
in your gut which makes you feel fall and It
also interacts with your reward pathways, so you're less likely

(59:44):
to reach of things like chocolate and ice cream.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah, look, we've seen and everywhere the Hollywood stars are
sucking it back like their tic TACs. They love it,
Ashle Hannah, it's an injection I keep getting for used
in that one, So strike that. But it's been incredibly
popular and it's been around for a while now, so
lots of you are either on it, I imagine, or
thinking seriously about it. So we want to talk about

(01:00:07):
does it work, how hard is it to get? And look,
if it is the panacea that some people claim it is,
why wouldn't you why wouldn't you just fire some of
that into your veins and lose the weight because we
all know how bad obesity is for people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Yeah, oh eight hundred not great for the old heart. No,
certainly not great for the heart. I one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Andrew is
standing by. But right now we're joined by doctor Brian Betty.
He is chair of General Practice in z and he's
a specialist GP based in Potty or doctor Betty. Very
good afternoon to you, Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 15 (01:00:41):
Nice to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
So how popular are these weight loss drugs in New
Zealand and who can get them and how hard is
it to access them?

Speaker 15 (01:00:49):
Oh, look, they got to prove a few months ago,
so they're relatively new to New Zealand, though they've been
around the world for a period of time. There's been
quite a large uptake in them. I've got to say,
I think there's over ten thousand patients who are probably
taking it at this point with a New Zealand what
problems are not subsidized by the government, So the injection,

(01:01:13):
which is a weekly injection, is expensive. It's about generally
about five hundred to six hundred dollars per month, so
there's no subsidy on them, so it is an expensive medication.
But yeah, big uptake in this particular medication since it arrived.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
So I didn't actually know that. I've been hearing so
much about it. I thought it had been available for
a bit longer than that. So you have to go
to the doctor. Do you have to prove anything to
get it or just ask for it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Well, look, I mean, look there's a couple of issues
with it.

Speaker 15 (01:01:43):
I mean, you know, you need to have a talk
to your GP and to see whether it's the right
medication for you. It's not a panacea for everyone with obesity.
We do you know, there are some side effects with it,
so you do need to have a proper assessment to
work out whether it's the right medication.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:01:58):
Then it's available on script, so you do have to
have a script for it to pick it up from
the chemist.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
And there's a couple of things about it.

Speaker 15 (01:02:05):
You have to start at a lower dose for a month,
than you work the dose up over a month and
another month till you get to the maximum dose, so
it takes about four or five months to get to
the maximum dose. To see the weight loss, it's estimated
that many patients will lose about probably about fifteen percent
of their weight on it, So it is considered effective,

(01:02:26):
but it does have side effects and that's one of
the things that we need to be aware of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Now, how much you know, so I could go in
there maybe on five kg overweight. Is that if I
went into a doctor and something that I could fix
with just a reasonable, reasonably slight change in my diet
and exercise, would the doctor sign that off or does
it have to be an actual problem?

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:02:51):
Look, look I think five kilos overweight. You're looking at
diet and exercise in that situation. I don't think medication
or a weekly injection with potential side effects is the
way to go. It's generally the degree to which you
do have a weight problem, so we go on something
called a BMI, which is your height to weight ratio. Generally,
you know, over thirty to about thirty five you can

(01:03:13):
start to consider medication. Over thirty five, medication it does
have an absolute role to play, and over forty it does.
We know we have bariatric surgery as an option for
if you do have a real weight problem and you
bearmies up around that forty mark, but certainly that thirty
thirty five as it goes up, there is a role
for it to play. But if you're just over the

(01:03:34):
normal weight, it's certainly something I wouldn't recommend.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Would it be a better option than bariatric surgery for
those people who are sort of you know and just
in the obese camp doctor that you know? By all accounts,
it sounds like bariatric surgery offer obviously carries concerns and
dangers and risks. Would it be less risky than that?

Speaker 15 (01:03:54):
Well, look, look I mean, yeah, it's all swings and roundabouts,
isn't it. So certainly bariatric surgery does is surgery that
has inherent risks in terms of what happens, and it
can have complications. So yeah, if barrack surgery is not
an option, weight you know, weight management with diet and
exercise because that always underpins what actually goes on. So

(01:04:15):
diet and exercise is incredibly important. Yeah, look, it has
a role to play, there's no doubt about it. But
I suppose one of the things to be aware of
that if you do lose the weight maybe over one
to two years that you're on the medication. What all
the studies show that if you come off the medication,
then the majority of people ninety percent of people over

(01:04:36):
two years will put the weight back on. So the
body is very very good at reprogramming. It's reprogramming itself.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
And putting the weight back on.

Speaker 15 (01:04:45):
So there is a line of thought now that is saying, look,
these medications, they can be effective, they do have a
role to play, but in fact they may be lifelong treatment,
much like we talk about with blood pressure medication and
cholesterol medication are lifetime treatments. It maybe we're in the
space where these types of medication actually are required for life,

(01:05:09):
and there's certainly a body of opinion that is starting
to think that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Well, they come down in price, because right now, if
it was a lifeline treatment, you're looking at what roughly
you know, over ten, well five hundred dollars a month,
you know, five hundred times twelve, you're looking at six
thousand dollars a year, aren't you. Yeah, So it's a
lot to spend over a lifetime. So so it is
a big investment, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:05:31):
So will they come down in price?

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
You're quite like you.

Speaker 15 (01:05:34):
Over time, that will happen. They'll become more available. Maybe
at some point they'll be subsidized by the government for
certain patients, maybe with certain conditions that really do need
treatment with weight loss medication. So yeah, that's possibly going
to happen over time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
But yeah, you're right.

Speaker 15 (01:05:50):
I mean that you're looking at five to six thousand
dollars per year. So it is a big commitment, and
it is something that you know you need to think
about and you do need to discuss with your doctor
about whether it's the right choice for you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
To do that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Just to circle back a little bit you were saying
that there were side effects and downsides, what exactly are those?

Speaker 15 (01:06:10):
Yeah, So, look, the commonest side effect is actually gastrointestinal,
so that is a stomach so things like nausea, which
is actually very very common.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
It can cause.

Speaker 15 (01:06:20):
Diarrhea occasionally constipation if you don't drink enough water, and
abdominal pain and bloating are sort of the things that
can be seen. Often that's modified by advising that you
have low fat diet and don't eat large meals.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
There are more.

Speaker 15 (01:06:36):
Less common but very important ones. So gall bladder issues
or gallstones can actually be a problem, and that's due
to rapid weight loss. So if you lose weight quickly,
we know that you can develop gallstones very quickly and
get a gall bladder problem. Pancreatitis is a rare complication
which can occur sometimes. And you know there's some other

(01:06:58):
other really really rare ones, but those are probably the
sea So certainly that that abdominal pain, bloating, diarrhea, nausea
can be quite common. Then the gall bladder and plancory
titus the two of the other ones that we start
to worry about a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Lot of time when I hear about diets. People say,
I just want to shock to the system. I want
to lose the fifteen twenty cage he or whatever. I'm
just making up that number that I need to lose,
and then I need to make the lifestyle changes to
stay there. Is that a realistic thing? How many people actually.

Speaker 19 (01:07:25):
Pull that on?

Speaker 15 (01:07:27):
Yeah? Well, again, all the studies show that within two
years I've been on a weight loss treatment, often if
you come off it within two years, the weight goes
back on and more.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
So there is a lot of you often hear that
the weight and more goes on, and then some people
are talking about your reward pathways being changed because whatever
discipline you had is sort of turned off for the
time that you're on it, So when you come off,
you don't even have whatever discipline you did have, If
discipline is the right word I'm looking for.

Speaker 15 (01:07:55):
Yeah, so it's in the body. Tabler's is really common
thought that the body starts to reset its metabolism at
a lower rate if you lose weight like that, and
as you put the weight and take the medication away,
start to eat more calories and you'll go back to
your normal diet. Your metabolisms set slightly lie and you

(01:08:18):
tend to put on the weight quite rapidly, So there's
a whole lot of interaction stuff that's going on that's
only just been starting to be understood. It's been really
really poorly understood. So the body is very very good
at allowing the weight to come back on often, so
regardless of diet and exercise. Yea, yeah, yeah, so it
tends to predetermine where it sits and that can be

(01:08:41):
a problem. The other the other thing that people need
to be aware of is rapid weight loss is not
a great thing, and rapid weight loss and putting on
weight than rapid weight loss again and bouncing around weight loss.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Stained can can you say that last couple of sentences
because you cut out for it for just briefly there.

Speaker 15 (01:09:04):
I'd saying rapid weight loss is yeah, not a great
great thing to have happened. So if you will lose
weight quickly and put it on quickly then lose weight again,
that's not a very very good thing for the body
at all.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Yeah, doctor, really great to get your thoughts on this
and really appreciate your time this afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Great, no lovely to be here, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
That is doctor Brian Betty's chair of General Practice, New Zealand.
He's a specialist GP based in Potty Door. Are very interesting,
but love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you're
on we GOV or sex Indre or one of these
other injectable weight loss drugs. Love to hear how it's going.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Yeah, and have if you've been on it and you've
come off. We'd like to see what the post situation
is like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
It is quarter to three, the issues that affect you,
and a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said, be twelve to three.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
We're talking about we Go V six and a whole
bunch of these injectable weight loss drugs. If you've tried them,
love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
My USA friend you sit and said when she came
off she was obsessed with food, couldn't stop ate everything
in her past.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
That's certainly not what you want to ski got on
her path.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Let's move on, Andy, welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (01:10:20):
Good afternoon lads.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
How are you very girls? So you've been on what's
what's the drug that you've been on? Andy, the medicine.

Speaker 16 (01:10:27):
I'm I'm on to Yeah, I'm on an addictable called Trulicity.
I've been on it for about just about two years.
And I'm a European male in my mid fifties. I
had type two diabetes, high blood pressure, and gout and
I was I'm five ft five when I was one
hundred and ten kgs and I lost thirty kgs in

(01:10:52):
about two and a half months. And wow, completely completely
cured my diabetes and my gout and my high blood pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Wow, how long ago I was sandy?

Speaker 16 (01:11:05):
When?

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
When when there's this all take place? So I think
you said, but I missed it.

Speaker 16 (01:11:08):
No, it was just about two years ago, I'd be. Yeah,
i'd been I'd been on diabetes drugs for a number
of years and went to the doctor and the doctor said, mate,
you really need to lose some weight. Do you want
me to help you out with that? And I'm like, yeah,
yes please, And he said, look, you have to qualify,
but I'll press the right buttons and he made sure

(01:11:29):
that I did qualify for it, and yeah, it's changed
my life really, Like I'm you know, I'm walking five
k three or four times a week now, which I
wasn't doing. The dog's a lot happier, you know. And
it makes you eat more, It makes you eat a
lot healthier. And it's not only affected myself, like my
wife's lost ten cages because I have to eat better.

(01:11:52):
I just I can't tolerate a lot of food with
a lot of preservatives anymore.

Speaker 13 (01:11:56):
Just stay inside.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Wow.

Speaker 16 (01:11:59):
And it forces you to eat more healthy, I just
you know, and I only eat once a day. I
only eat an evening meal and it's a very small portion.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
How your energy levels with only eating once a day?

Speaker 10 (01:12:13):
Great?

Speaker 16 (01:12:14):
I honestly I feel healthy than I did in my twenties.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Right right?

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
And yeah, So when you're losing that much weight, I
mean there must be other effects of it, right, I
mean what kind of side effects did you have on that,
you know, I mean losing well did you say thirty
kg in two months.

Speaker 13 (01:12:34):
Two and a half months.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:12:35):
So the biggest side effect was it cost me a
new wardrobe.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Yeah. Yeah, so that was quite a good one.

Speaker 16 (01:12:42):
But I have to say, like when I went to
the Dolta and he changed my medication, I have to
say I didn't tell my wife, and the first seven
days on it were pretty hard. I was spending a
lot of time. Anything that I put in was going
back down the porcelain throne, right. And after a few
days my wife sent me that sat me down and said,
what is going on with you?

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
You know?

Speaker 16 (01:13:02):
And so I cat came clean.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Well you're spending your time and upstairs and the toilet
kind of thing.

Speaker 16 (01:13:08):
Yeah, that's right, but I came clean. And you know,
as I said, it's been absolutely life changing for me.
And I'm not even pre diabetic anymore. I am clearly
and utterly healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
What about mood? What about mood? How's your mood been affected?
Because you know, carrying around a lot of extra weight
just makes everything more difficult, doesn't it.

Speaker 16 (01:13:29):
And yeah, absolutely, it's it's there's not an aspect of
my life, including my sex life, which hasn't been greatly improved.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Libido's a good thing. Libidos are great there.

Speaker 16 (01:13:40):
Yeah, yeah, honestly, it's I and you know, I can
only tell my story on it, but it's been it's
worked wonders for me, and I intend to stay on
as long as I can. And my belief is that
once I've qualified, I can stay on it for life.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
How much does it cost you?

Speaker 16 (01:13:56):
And it's so it's fully funded for me, but I did.
I had a discussion with my doctor just last month
and he was saying, if I wanted to pay for
it privately, it's about two hundred and sixty to three
hundred dollars a month, which again, you know if you
earn an addition income. If I didn't qualify and came
off it, I would I'd like to think I would

(01:14:17):
actually pay for it personally because it's been it's been
such a change for me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Do you go, Thank you so much for your call,
Andy work wonders for Andy trullicity. I've never heard of
that before.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
So that's a positive story for medicating yourself to weight loss.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Yeah, but ken to hear your stories. I eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've been on one
of these weight loss injectables, ken to hear how it
went for you. It is eight minutes to three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Mad Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used talks,
it'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
It is five to three. Quite a few taks to
come through on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Great for Andy, just a bit frustrated that taxpayers are
paying thousands dollars a year when he could just go
for a walk instead. All right, now, hi guys. A
year or so ago, I took sex Xander. After about
three weeks so I got so dehydrated I fainted in
front of a neighbor must have scared get out of them,
and then went to Anne where overnight they put me

(01:15:12):
on a drip. Renal issues are noted as a rear
side effect. Yeah you don't say, right as rain the
next day? Not taking that again, I'm not surprised. I
mean a lot of these things. You know, you've got
to hydrate, You got to you gotta hydrate.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Yeah, good advice for life. I think, just hydrate. Yeah,
keep yourself. I'm on hydrate hydration pills. You are, actually
you've brought your wee water droplets and today I think, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Yeah, I running a lot of hydration these days.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Love it good to see.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Right, go to the bathroom a lot though, to be fair,
and it's miles away from the studio.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
You need that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
You're aino in here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
We are going to carry this on because we've got
a whole bunch of people want to have a chat
about this, So if you're on we Go v or
sex Indo or you were really can never check with
your how did it go? Was it a miracle drug
or did it not turn out so well?

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is that number of
cool nine two nine too? If you want to send
a texture listening to Matton Tyler, Are you having a
great Tuesday afternoon? Stay right here, We'll be back very surely.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Your new home are in satel and Entertaining Talk. It's
Matty and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Sebby, Welcome back into the show. Great debut company. As always,
we're talking about the buzz around the likes of we Go,
the sex Ender and the one we heard in the
last hour Trulyicity. And there's a few more injectable weight
loss drugs out there that people are consuming quite at
a quite common rate. So I'd love to hear from

(01:16:47):
you on one hundred and eight ten eighty if that's you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
So, I think Trulicity is a slightly different situation, isn't
it than the other two? So Tradisity contains sudy suggest
there's yeah, I mean it's still in the same conversation
I guess I'd have to unpack some really long words there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
It's pretty complicated. I tried to researcher myself, but there's
a lot in there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Hey, regard were Goovi, some major side effects like all
weight reduction tools, people will plateau and regain apparently, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Pay is it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
Yes?

Speaker 16 (01:17:21):
It is?

Speaker 12 (01:17:22):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Hey, you've been very well. Think you think of a calling.
So you've been on we goov for three months?

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Is it? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
Two and a half months going. It's getting to the
end of my third months now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
And how's it going for you?

Speaker 13 (01:17:38):
Well, at first it was no real you.

Speaker 6 (01:17:42):
Know, no real differences. They started on a very low
dostage like point two five milligrams, and then after months
one of those doubles two point five, and then it
doubles to one milligram and you slowly pulled up. I
found the first month not too not too different. Still
had hunger, and you know, I didn't lose didn't lose much, uh,

(01:18:08):
you know, about two kilograms two kilograms. But then now
you know, in the in the last months, I'm right down.
I've probably lost about eight and a half kilograms. Now, wow,
steady on the kilogram a week.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Yeah, And how is everything else going? Is there any
side effects?

Speaker 6 (01:18:29):
The biggest side effect for me is my love for
red one. It's just gone up the window. I mean,
I just can't. I cannot stand the smell of red
one an when I used to love read one right,
So that goes the same just about all alcohol. It
just puts me off alcohol. And you know, earlier callers
said that you get put off certain foods, and it

(01:18:50):
does that. Fatty foods and things want whole foods, vegetables,
those kinds of things are promoted. Wow, I mean your
body feels better with them. And certainly alcohol. It's just
just gone off all call.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
So I know, a piece of fried check in, if
that was put in front of you, would you feel
repulsed by it?

Speaker 6 (01:19:10):
Wouldn't feel repulse by, but you wouldn't have the urge
to even eat it, where previously I would take two pieces,
you know, to go through.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
What about things like chips, because I always think with me,
it's the fries that get me. I can't stop.

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
I actually go to a meal. No, when you eat out,
now I actually have for example, I'll have the steak
with vegetables or salad rather than the chips. Now, yeah,
you just because you can't eat too much and as
a results, you just want to eat as much protein
as you can. You don't want to lose that muscle mess,
so you end up not eating the chips.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Right, And so if you don't mind me asking how
overweight were you and how concerned were you about your
weight that you went to the doctor?

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Was it a health issue? Was a how you looked
a shoe?

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
What took you to the doctor?

Speaker 10 (01:20:04):
I think a little bit of all of it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:05):
You know, I'm five foot seven, I weighed a hundred
and one kilograms and I'm supposed to be around eighty,
so good overweight, and I'm an asthmatic, so.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
The weight.

Speaker 13 (01:20:22):
I think, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
I also wanted to I also wanted to paddle a
wastyr surf and I haven't been able to tend the
New Zealand Wasty Chaps in Gisbon every every Yeaster. And
I really wanted to get back on my board and
get fit again. And this is what's what's actually stopping
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
It's a good goal.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
So the old the you know the fact you've had
to inject it into your stomach was that something that
you had to get your head around.

Speaker 6 (01:20:55):
No, I don't in my stomach. It on injected in
my thigh.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Ah okay, oh so yeah, so I was misinformed. I
thought it had to be in the gut.

Speaker 6 (01:21:04):
No. No, you can put it in your sigh, you
can put it in your arm, or you can put
it in you've got It's one of those three places. Really.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
And you know, people are saying that, you know when
you get off, the drug will go the that that
appetite comes back. Is this a lifetime thing for you?
Or have you got a plan for when you get off?
How long you take it? When you reach your weight
goal where you jump off it, what's what's the plan pay?

Speaker 6 (01:21:30):
Well, look, I'm paying for it myself and it's about
five hundred dollars a month, probably saving that in wine.
But I think the long term goal for me is
just to get down to the to the weight class
the weight that I want. I want to try and
wean myself off it by kind of stepping down. You know,

(01:21:51):
once I'm on the highest one point seven or two
point formula grams, go right down down again and see
if I can actually keep the hunger noise away but
I'm quite willing to stay on it. If it actually
keeps me keeps me, then I'm quite willing to pay
the five hundred bucks a month. I've just had my
blood's done and they all came back good. My liver

(01:22:13):
function has improved, lesterol has dropped, my blood pressure has
dropped as well. So it's got a lot of good positives.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
So are there any side Oh? Sorry, you're guys going
to talk about side effects?

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
Pay?

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Sorry interrupted?

Speaker 6 (01:22:29):
You. Yeah, Look, when when it steps up that very fast,
you know, the next melogram up or the next dosage up,
I really really got sick, like I feel, it's really nauseous.
It kind of subsides off to two days. But if
you drink a lot of water, and you drink and

(01:22:52):
it's hard to drink the water because you just don't
even want to drink or eat anything really, But if
you just force yourself to drink the water, it actually
that that subsides quite quickly. It only takes about two days.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
And what about muscle loss, because you talked about you
want to eat pro team to keep the muscle up.
But is it fat you're losing or fat and muscle?

Speaker 6 (01:23:15):
Well, well, I haven't got a technical way of measuring that.
I've got to a scale that kind of says what
my body fat percentages, and that is dropping in line
almost with infect more than with my telegram. So I
know that I've lost a lot of body fat itself.
I'm worried about my muscle mass. I'm in my fifties.

(01:23:37):
I'm fifty four, and I don't want to lose any
muscle mass. So that's I've just read up a lot
about it. And to make sure that you just take
the protein. I do feel tired, sometimes too tired to
actually do any exercises, but I forced my class does that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Everyone struggles with the energy and are you are you
lifting weights at all or anything like that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
Pay I'm doing kettlebell exercises, you know, as much as
I can. And I do eat twice a day. I
eat at eleven and I eat at around six, so
I do sixteen hours foust, which this has helped me
with anyway. And I try and just stay on the protein.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
And what about your mood, because people that lose weight
often say that that, you know, they get a bit
of a bit of ye a joyous feeling about life
that they didn't have before.

Speaker 6 (01:24:34):
Someone just told me the other day there's like a
glow around me now, and it is true. I mean,
my moods are better. I'm a little bit I'm not
as grumpy towards my kids, and yeah, I'm just overall
feeling a lot better. And then you know, in this
a little injection. The day after kind of a bit

(01:24:54):
flat and I don't want to talk to anyone because
I'm feeling a little bit sick. But after that first
day in that week, then I'm bit as rain.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Good on your pay, leaning into the kettle bowel over
the kettle chips.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
It's good to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Yeah, very good. Nicely see it. Oh, one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. I'd love to
hear your stories about we Govy and the like. It
is quarter past three. His talks'd be afternoon, eighteen past three,
and we're talking about we govy and the like, these
miracle weight loss drugs and if you've had them, we're
can to hear from you. On one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Shame says there are some horrendous stories on the New
Zealand w'govy page. It's not as straightforward as you just
lose weight. Yeah, I mean it definitely sounds like there's
some side effects. I've been taking Goovy for two months.
I lost no weight. Month one, I've lost five kg's
month two. Some noisier month one, no noisier side effix

(01:25:46):
month two. I was active and regularly exercised all my life,
but middle age saw weight gain for past ten years.
No matter how much exercise that I did, I suffered
food noise my whole life. We're govy removed the food noise.
It's life shaving. I've noticed I no longer use food
as an emotional tool too. It's great expenses, large, but
it motivates me. Food noise is an interesting thing, isn't

(01:26:07):
it just the food calling to you?

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Well a very fact. I mean, was it pay who
said that even fried chicken or anything that he used
to love? Red wine just discussed him. What a crazy drug?
That is pretty incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Yeah, Scott, you been taking Wagovi.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
No.

Speaker 20 (01:26:27):
Although so I'm a larger individual, but I've always been
a larger individual. But I've got a My late wife's
nephew was taking one of the semit glue tides and
he's found it great. He was a full on diabetic
and he's found that it's got rid of his diabetes

(01:26:47):
and he's lost weight. So it worked for him. It
wouldn't work for my wife. She had pancreatitis and that
forced her into being a full on diabetic with other
complications as well, and they said that she could not
take it. And yeah, just unfortunately some of the side

(01:27:08):
effects that you guys have listed, we're going to be
a sort of triplicate consequence wise for her, even though,
as I say, she was a full on diabetic and
she could have had it described to her for free.
But myself, like when I was twenty five and playing rugby,
et cetera, and listening to the doctor talk about it earlier,

(01:27:32):
he was saying BMI, and that is used to judge
as to whether people are potentially able to use it.
So when I was twenty five, I was out running
eighty k's a week, I was one hundred and thirty
five kilos, I'm six foot three, I was working fifteen
hours a day. Or I did a medical test that
showed I had about twelve to fifteen deceeved body fat,

(01:27:55):
yet I was still passed as obese.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
So so yeahs So most of your weight was muscle,
is what you're saying.

Speaker 20 (01:28:04):
Yeah, and it's been that way right through. So I
started high school, I was one hundred and fifth than
killos and five a liver. Right, But like, I've had
a struggle with weight my whole entire life. But yeah,
I could get a prescribed to me, but I can't
afford that five six hundred dollars a month to be

(01:28:25):
able to use it and trial it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
What do you say to people, because some people are
saying that when they got on it, they made the
saving by not spending that money on food.

Speaker 20 (01:28:37):
Well, we've cut back on a lot of the food
that we buy, and we only buy essentials really what
we need each week now just for the you know,
straight out price and everything. But you know, it's, yeah,
I'm sort of deemed if I do deemed if I
don't talking to my doctor like he has said that

(01:28:57):
basically for my whole entire life, I'm going to have
to consist of amounts of exercise to keep the weight off,
regardless of whether I'm on a semiglue tide or not. Right,
I mean, yeah, it might help me, as you say,
with some of the food noise. But I find that
I'm only eating when I'm hungry anyway, so that's not

(01:29:20):
really going to help me in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
So what's your solution. What's your solution, Scott, if you
need one?

Speaker 20 (01:29:29):
Well, I don't know. Like my doctor's talking about various
metric surgery, but as I say, I can put on
and lose muscle mass very quickly. But yeah, like I'd
like to try it, but I just can't afford to
you basically. But yeah, it was interesting listening to what
the doctor was saying around when you were talking to

(01:29:51):
him and how they use all the different measures. But
then the different measures don't really come into it, so
you know, So look at somebody Williams in the All Blacks,
for example, I was his size ish, but I was
a little bit leaner than him, about roughly the same age.
I was considered obese. Would you say, Tamaiti Williams of

(01:30:12):
the elite athlete than is obese.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Yeah, he's he's certainly looks a little different than he
did when he started, but no, that goes an absolute athlete,
and how good to have someone that big in our team.
We've met guys for a while.

Speaker 20 (01:30:29):
Although you know, would you guys class him as an
obese person. He's an elite athlete, would you say he's obese.

Speaker 13 (01:30:37):
No, we looked after by medical specialists and physical specialists.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
But we know the problem. We know the problem with
the b M I scale. Scott is a very blunt too,
and that's been known for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Yes, I mean, like all feeling is dividing your weight
by the square of your height to give a score.
So what's actually in there? Yeah, as and I imagine
and to Mighty Williams there's a lot of muscle in there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:31:05):
So I mean I was similar size and shape as say,
just a little bit leaner at his age, but I was,
as I say, dairy farming. So I was fifteen working
fifteen hours plus a week, plus I was running after work.
Plus I was doing all the trap well not all
the trainings that they're doing, and I wasn't going to
the gym. But I was farm for farm strong. So
I was probably as strong, if not maybe we stronger

(01:31:26):
than hum. So I mean, yeah, it's swings aroundabouts, but
when it comes down to the money side of it,
that's what's putting. I think a lot of people off
being able to get the necessary medicine you could say,
or the necessary tools to be able to use it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Do you think it should be government subsidized Scott?

Speaker 20 (01:31:47):
Well, potentially yes. I get that it's subsidized as a
diabetics and stuff like that, but I think once you
get to sort of people like me, depending on what's
going on, then year they should be some subsidies put

(01:32:09):
in place. Not necessarily a whole lot, but you know,
if it was one hundred bucks a months rather than
five hundred bucks a month, I would make it more
accessible for our growing obesity situation in New Zealand and
give us another tool as well as diet and exercise

(01:32:30):
to be.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
Able to use.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Thank you for your course, Scott.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
Interesting point, and I know you know that argument around
subsidizing those sort of drugs has been around some time
and the downstream cost savings. If someone is really overweight
and they are spending a lot of time in hospital
and they are you know, for lack of a better word,
clogging up the health system, I can understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Could I get a rebate because I've lost weight by
running a lot?

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
Yep, we can switt you out with it. We'll do
the calculations of figure out how much money are right.
We're going to carry this on. It is twenty six
past three or one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
a number to call.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on used talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Afternoon twenty eight past three. So we're talking about we
go V and six sex Ender, and there's a few
other of these weight loss drugs that a lot of
people are using at the moment. So many techs come
through this one. Giddy guys, friggin bizarre to hear all
these people stating that a drug enabled them to eat healthy,
cure themselves of diabetes, and lose weight. We really have
evolved into dumb humans. We know how to do it,

(01:33:36):
but obviously our food chain, decades of crap preserved has
added and habits have redialed our brains. What I'm hearing
leaves me berefed. For society, those that can afford can
have it. Those that can't have to practice body positivity.
Cheep as team, how have we got here?

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Well, we are beings that are evolved for scarcity, living
in a time of abundance and that's really the problem,
isn't it. Yeah, So all the things that make us
put on weight are the things that we crave the most.
Because when we were walking around the ancient humans and
they came across a bunch of sweet things, the body said,
you eat quickly because you won't come across these. Again

(01:34:15):
needed those calories, and we needed fat, and we had
a calorie deficit, generally speaking, was just just what we experienced.
So we get raving us and now you know, you
just look at what they put in food to just
get us going. They put fat and sugar in there,
and the fruitcost oh my god, yes, sirup and all
that kind of stuff just fires up those ancient instincts

(01:34:37):
and we go and then we get fat.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Now I don't even have to leave my car to
get Kent. Thank you, Fried Chicken. It's that easy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
No government subsidy for pricks that can't stop eatings? Is
this Texter heavy? All right, Doug, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (01:34:54):
Here go, Hi, guys. I'm just riging about My son
started we go V and he started way back on
the on the eighteenth of July of this year and
up to the fourth of the wits to tenth of September,
he had lost seven point eight kilograms. Now he started,

(01:35:18):
of course at the two fifty. And the great thing
about that week everything for him is that it's only
one jab per week. It's some of the other ones
are a sort of a jabb a day, but he
only has to do one jab a week, and then
at the end of that end of the month cycle
he goes up another. He's on like point one at

(01:35:42):
one point zero at the moment milligram, and he started
off at a point two five and far aside effects,
he can feel a little nauseous, but he says it's
not a big problem at all, doesn't stop him doing anything.
But what he is getting to grips with is that

(01:36:06):
he has a tea has tea year with me sometimes
and he puts stuff on his plate and he can't
finish it. And that's the thing that sort of keeps
surprising him, is like his eyes have not come to
match his stomach yet, and so he eats sometimes just

(01:36:28):
one meal a day, and sometimes you'll eat a lunch,
but generally speaking, is just a downward trend. And he's
thinking of going. Yeah, like I said, he started in July,
going down to Christmas and seeing what his weight loss
will be like at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
How should not this stake? But when you get the injection,
do you inject yourself or do you have to go
to the doctor every week for the injection?

Speaker 13 (01:36:53):
No, no, no, he just does himself. And the doc said,
like the previous caller said, he can do it in
your stomach or your thigh. So he tried the three
places over three weeks and found the thigh was the
least painful of jabs.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Yeah, so you don't you don't need to have a
certain point. It's just anywhere in those those parts of
the body and you're good to go.

Speaker 13 (01:37:19):
That's right. He just did it in his upper arm
like where you might get a flu injection, and somewhere
around his belly button the area. He tried that, and
then on the next week he tried his fly and
that was that was the best.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
I mean, it's scarce the hell out of me, to
be honest, injecting myself with anything. I don't know if
I could do it, I'd have to pay someone to
do it for me.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Hey, thank you for cool, Doug. Interesting, Yeah, thank you
very much.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. We've had so many calls and texts on this.
We are going to carry it on, so we'd love
to hear your story. We go V six ender. If
you're on it, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Surely just not eating chips and surfing would do the
same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
Yeah, maybe times.

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with the potential closure of a playwood factory. It too,

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says Carter hold Harvey's planning to shut the site earlier
this Later this year, the man accused of murdering right
wing activist Charlie Kirk allegedly sent him a text with
his intentions to kill him prior to doing so. Twenty
two year old Tyler Robinson is expected to be formally
charged tomorrow for Kirk's death at a university campus in Utah,

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and Amporter has been hit with one hundred and forty
thousand dollar fine after selling small toy cars that young
children could choke on. The developer behind a proposal to
build more than twelve hundred homes in Upper Udewa has
withdrawn its fast track proposal. Business Desk reports a expert
panel refused resource consent because of infrastructure constraints. Plus, the

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government announces twenty new steps to address aviation skills crisis
and grow the sector.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
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Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Now back to Mason Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Thank you very much, Wendy. So we're talking about we're
gov seeks inder, but also ozimpak was the big wonder
when it was first trialed in America. Can you still
get access to ozempic and New Zealand. I'm going to
have to look that up because not too many people
are actually taking ozempic. A lot of people taking were
GOVI and others.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
Zimpic is an approved prescription medication for tweeting type two
diabetes in New Zealand. As related to the drug wigov Yeah,
so yeah, I mean all the talk was like a zimpac,
wasn't that it was? Yeah, in the zimpic face. Yeah,
and Hollywood stars.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
That's right. Yeah, Oprah loved it. Yeah, she was all
about the Ozmpic. But all we hear about now is
were GOVI Yeah, oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
There is a case for public funding weight loss drugs,
cardiov escalar disease and diabetes places and enormous burden on
our health system. If Farmac publicly funded these meds, it
would cost the taxpayer about fifty percent of the retail
price and keep many people out of the hospitals, off
dialysis and working in the economy. Yeah, I mean just
things that we just I get that and you can
do that math on it. But then we just have

(01:40:27):
to you know, we have to sort out everyone's problems.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
And there is an argument that your health is your issue.
You're in partnership with with the health system, but it's
not the it's not the government or the general populace
and the taxpayers of New Zealand to look after your health.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
That's the danger, right, And you're.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
And you go through I mean the best you really
should ask for as a partnership to sort out your health.
You're not owned good health. Yeah, you know you you
you need to work to good health. You need to
you need to earn that good health right that that
should be your that should be the thing that you're
focused on your life. It's not everyone else's fault. If

(01:41:10):
you have bad health and I get you. You could
do the math and say, well, we're helping all these
people across everything, bl bah bah blah blah blah bah
saved money in the end. But the mentality of that
is somehow wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
Yeah, and then there's the danger of everybody saying I
can eat what I like and do what I like,
but there's this miracle drug that I can get on
behalf of the taxpayer. That is going to make me
think again, that's the danger because I absolutely understand that
argument one hundred percent. But changing that mentality when people
think there's miracle drugs out there funded by all of
us that's going to sort you out, that's a dangerous
place to be.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
So go loosen at the last minute, get it sorted
out by the by you know, other people paying for it. Yeah,
it doesn't seem necessarily like the kind of attitude that
leads to people making the right decisions for themselves in life,
and there's always unforeseen circumstances with these kind of things that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
Are meant to do well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Yep, and you know a well meaning Bruce welcome the show.

Speaker 10 (01:42:06):
Yeah, thanks guys.

Speaker 19 (01:42:07):
It's an interesting compic station.

Speaker 10 (01:42:10):
I had a similar journey to a lot of the
people that I've been listening to the Yo yo weight
loss diet and this sort of thing, and I actually
took the step of getting bariactric surgery.

Speaker 16 (01:42:19):
I had.

Speaker 10 (01:42:21):
Eighty percent of my stomach removed, and I was about
I was sort of in the sick. I was in
the sixties at the time. I'd had a hip replaced
and a knee replaced. I'd had a very active sports life,
and in my day, we didn't rehab joints the way
they did that they do today with ice and all
the other things. We just had a bit of deep

(01:42:42):
even pete and the beer. So I read that with
samasios right in my joint. And as I became less active,
as I got older, I was putting on the weight
and I was about one hundred and fifteen kilos and
my joints, my skeleton wasn't going to handle it. So
I decided to bite the bullet and I had bariactric
surgery and in that I had eighty percent of my

(01:43:04):
stomach taken out. And what they also take out is
the part of your stomach at the top that's a gland.
I think that tells you when your stomach is full. Now,
your stomach is an elastic band. It's just an elastic ball,
and you can shrink it or you can expand it.
But whatever you do through your life, you're gonna shrink

(01:43:25):
it if you get a stomach flu Like some women
used to say, I'm only one stomach flew away from
my goal weight, okay, And people can shrink their stomach,
but as soon as anything, they can expand again. And
that's when you get.

Speaker 18 (01:43:41):
The Yo yo diet.

Speaker 10 (01:43:43):
I'd been there, done that, and I straight together twenty
four K. I did a lot of research on it.
And my weight now is about I've gone from one
hundred and one hundred and seventeen when I went in
for surgery, I'm eighty five. My weight now fluctuates between
eighty three and eighty seven. And it was very interesting

(01:44:06):
what another caller was saying about food, Like you go
into a shop and you look at all these lovely
apple squares and all the food you love to eat,
and you buy one, you take it away, you have
one bite of it, and your body almost rejects it
because after a while, your stomach gets so used to
having protein and high quality food, but you can't eat carbohydrates.

(01:44:32):
You find your diet becomes very much chicken, nuts, dairy,
the high protein foods. And what the gentleman was saying
before was interesting because actually, once you get on that healthy,
healthy eating treadmill, the more of those healthy foods you

(01:44:52):
seem to eat, the more weight you lose. And it's
quite an interesting phenomenon if you can get to that point.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
I never thought I would.

Speaker 10 (01:45:01):
I never thought i'd be what I am now, only
because I had that bariatric surgery and its.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
It happenspruce with people that because there is examples where
people get that surgery and then somehow they eat through
it and they have to get it again. You know
what's happening there those people that just don't have that
same reaction to food that you did.

Speaker 10 (01:45:24):
It's very hard to do because your stomach, your stomach's
not there, and when when you've got a full stomach,
you can expand it and contract it. But when you've
got such a small when you've got only got twenty
percent of your stomach left, there's only so you can
only stretch it so far. So from my experience, I

(01:45:46):
did read about that and I thought, yeah, you can
get on that. It's probably if you consume excess alcohol
and a lot of sugary foods. But after a while,
once you've been doing it, your body rejects those foods
because somehow it sensors. Your body picks up what it needs,

(01:46:06):
and like if you eat an apple where it'll reject it,
but if you eat a chicken drumstick it'll It's quite
a strange thing. A Once you get that gland removed
from the top of your stomach, food doesn't become a pleasure.
It becomes an obligation. But it's a good obligation because
you're constantly thinking about what you're putting in your body.
But yeah, you've lost the pleasure of eating.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
So did you pay for ecrif I've made Yeah, did
you pay for it yourself, Bruce, or you've got it subsidized?

Speaker 6 (01:46:34):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
Yes I did, Yes I do?

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
And how much did it cost?

Speaker 10 (01:46:37):
Twenty four thousand?

Speaker 7 (01:46:39):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:46:40):
A lot of money, Marta, it was, but I look
at it.

Speaker 10 (01:46:44):
You know, I don't need any more joints replace my
osteoarthritis to stop. And I look at the people around me,
and I think, you know, if we could subsidize this,
the downstream effect of taking twenty thirty forty kilos of
a lot of people would be joint replacements. But the
down flow benefits of such a proactive thing, you know,

(01:47:05):
I've often thought that in years to come, this will
be probably the most elective surgery of the older generation
that you can have as it becomes more accepted, Like
we've had politicians that have had it that look marvelous
in their six business seventies.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Yeah, what would you say to people like if it
was funders And some of it is funded obviously, the surgery,
but then you've got people that have, you know, watched
what they eat and exercise their life to the point
where they haven't needed it, and you could argue that
they're subsidizing people that haven't made the same you know,
decisions in life. And how would you squear that?

Speaker 10 (01:47:44):
Well, I think I think you you know, the subsidy
thing is is you know, it's down the road, but
as far as the hero and now goes in a
personal choice about an individual well being and longevity. To
be able to control your weight loss physically by actually
having this thing that causes all the problems eighty percent

(01:48:06):
of it removed, you still have great nutrition, but you're
very selective and you don't have room for the rubbish.
So if you're talking about funding, forget that for now.
But I would suggest anyone that is thinking about it
research it, go into it, talk to people that have
had it, like I did beforehand, and you'll find the

(01:48:29):
benefits are very good. But a gentleman was saying he's
going to try it. There's no trying it. Once you
have it done, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Yeah, thanks for your call, Bruce, Yep. Sounds like it
worked out very well for you. So what was the situation,
David LONGI he had it, he blew out. He was
like about one hundred and eighty hundred and seventy kg's
wasn't he and any had the surgery?

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
Did he?

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
I thought that he blew out again after he'd had it,
But I could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
Think you're right, but we'll look into that. It is
thirteen to four back in a mow.

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
That'd be it is eleven to form. We've been talking
about where Govie and six in or another wait on
drug Steve, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (01:49:11):
Ye're not too bad. Look, my story is I started
seven weeks ago on a product called Contrave Contrave Contrave
c O n t R a vee and I got
to one hundred and twenty seven Kilo's got a bit
of a fright watching it real quick, oh over the
last five six months. And I went to the doctors

(01:49:32):
and he put me on the drug Contrary and it's
two hundred and sixty dollars about every five or six weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
And you don't inject it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
Yea, it's a pill, right, it's a pill.

Speaker 4 (01:49:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:49:45):
So the first the first week, you take one pill
in the morning, The second week you take one pill
in the morning, one at night. Third week you take
two pills in the morning, one at night. And fourth
week you take two pills of morning, two at night.
And that's an exim in dose. And you keep going
on that all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
And how's it working.

Speaker 19 (01:49:59):
What happened for me, well, the first month, well five
weeks I lost king kg's wow. And for the low
that's two weeks. I've lost one cage each week. Now
it's slowed down a lot more now. But I backed
my dosage off because I had, as you say, nausea vomiting.
And there's a lot of foods you can't eat, like

(01:50:23):
you can't have too many eggs, you can't have fatty food,
too much sugar. I can't eat frugers anymore. I used
to love frudres. I'd had three.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
They're good things.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Yeah, And is this something you're going to stay on
for the long term or do you? Is it got
a period of time?

Speaker 19 (01:50:41):
You go on it for six months and you can
go for a year. But they reckon you can lose
forty five one hundred pounds, which is about forty three
forty four CAGs over about six months.

Speaker 13 (01:50:52):
To a year.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Right, and you've got a nutrition plan alongside that medication?

Speaker 13 (01:50:57):
Is that right?

Speaker 19 (01:50:58):
No, I've just been cutting back on all my foods.
I've lost a lot of desire for a lot of
food now, and I can't eat fruders. They make me.
I just repulse them. Now it's incredible. Hell, such a
change actually happen. So I basically have nuts, a lot

(01:51:19):
of fruits now, bananas, Kiwi fruit, grapefruit, lemons, yeah, and
fish and chicken.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Wow healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
Yeah sounds pretty good there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Well, all the best with that, Steve. And you know,
if if you're interested in these kind of things you need,
you've got obviously got to talk to your doctor and
seek professional advice around all the stuff. If you want
to lose weight with one of these drugs injections, and
obviously you have to talk to a doctor before you
get your stomach stapled. Yeah, yeah, staple your stomach at home.

(01:51:51):
People do not do that at home.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Your great advice, Yeah, great advice. You needed to say that,
no home surgery. That is the PSA you needed to hear.
I try to try back in the mow. It is
eight to four.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Broke the staple.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
The big stories, big issues, the trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Excuse talks it be
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Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
It be it is five to four.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
I just getting a lot of text on the people
saying that we should fund it. And look, I can
see the argument for it, but the health system is
something you can work with. But everyone's health is their
own project, right, so right across your life, your project
is to stay as healthy as you can for yourself,
your family, and your community and your country.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
Right yep, I agree, So.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
You know we can we can hand out these you know,
rescues at the end, but no one's going to be
able to save you from yourself completely anyway. Thank you
so much for listening to the show. Everyone, It's been
a great chat. Been awesome to talking to such a
bunch of great New Zealanders. The pod will be up
soon if you've missed anything. The powerful Hither Twop of
c Ellen is up next. But right now, Tyler, my

(01:53:02):
good friend, tell me why am I playing the song.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Tears for Fears? Everybody wants to rule the world because
we had some great chat about local body politics and
there's a lot of people there that want to rule
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
And that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
You can rule your local body.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
You want to, but everyone should read up on the
candidates and get out there and vote. I reckon. Yeah,
all right, team, wherever you are we've been doing, give
a taste of key We love yous and see it
tomorrow afternoon for another edition of Matt and Tyler Afternoons.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
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