Full Show Podcast: 17 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Have you great New Zealander. This is Matt and Tyler
Full Show podcast number two six six four, the seventeenth
of December. It's a Wednesday and it was a great show.
Some of the most beautiful, beautiful calls we have had
around the surrogacy issue. It started off as a slimy
man billionaire trying to basically buy one hundred babies, but

(00:38):
when we brought it back home to New Zealand, it
was a wonderful chat. So I hope you enjoy that.

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Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk S ed B.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Very good afternoon, g you welcome into Wednesday show. So
good to have you listening, as I'm sure you always do.
Great to have your company. Maddie, how you doing man,
Very good?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Thank you for tuning in.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
We've got a great three hours ahead of us.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I reckon we certainly doing a special treat all this
week for you. After three point thirty, we are catching
up with some kick cass kiwis.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Hang on, why are you saying that I recorded a
song so you didn't need to say it?

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Here we go a rump a pump pum the Christmas
catch up Pa rump a bump bum with kick cas
queiz pa rumper.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Pump bum bumpum bum bum. On News Talks it be with.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Man Tyler, so much better, so much better, you.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Know Little drum Boy Peace on Earth with David Bowie
and David Bowie and Ben Crosby. Yes, so I was
reading up with the story about that nineteen seventy seven
Bing Crosby Christmas special David Bowie's book to appear on it.
So you might have seen that little video that's out
there and David Bowie turns up at the door and
he pretends he's just a neighbor. Anyway, they sing the song.

(02:07):
So I've always it was weird that that song's two songs.
There's Peace on Ear and there's also you know, Ben
Crosby doing the pump pump Know why that is? They
were supposed to sing Little Drummer boy. But David Bowie
turned up and said, I don't really like that song?
Can we do another one? And Bing Crosby was like, oh,
I quite loved this song. So the musical directors and

(02:29):
David Bowie went downstairs and wrote the other song, Peace
on Earth, that sings above it. Yeah, so when you
listen to that song, it's kind of like two songs
are being sung and it just sounds incredible. But that
was thrown together an hour before the recording.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Absolute genius Bowie. Wasn't it just incredible music?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Apparently they gotten really well. David Bowie turned up dressed
ridiculously because it was nineteen seventy seven and you know,
being Crosby quite a conservative guy, but they but you know,
been crossy rated his voice and David Bowie is a
bit of a fan of being Crosby after all of that.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, but amazing, it is amazing. I'm going to listen
to that. But the person we're chatting with at three
thirty today, Absolute Great Human.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Bands, neither been Crosney nor David Bowie. No, that would
be difficult to arrange.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's actually someone better. It is none other than Lee
Heart's Lee Leehart. You did it way better, but looking
forward to that. Yeah, I did ruin it. I'm sorry, mate,
We're looking forward to that after three point thirty. But
speaking of Christmas catchups.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Let's just get on with the shawet all.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Right after three o'clock. We also want to have a
chat about DVDs and CDs. Apparently they are becoming call again,
so consumers of all ages are looking to just to
get offline and away from algorithms, and for a younger
generation it is seen as vintage. The trend is driven
by gen Z and obviously the old vinyl thing has

(03:50):
been a thing of the past. But now CD's a
call again.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, it's amazing and I've seen this. This sounds ridiculous,
it sounds like it's not true, but it is. And
when I started hearing about, I thought rubbish. Kids aren't
buying CDs. Who cares? But they are. And I know
this because I've got friends of my son. They're collecting CD's,
friends of my friends, kids of my friends are collecting CDs.
Now it's a really big thing. And they don't even

(04:15):
listen to them. That's not the point of it. The
point you still listen to it on your streaming. But
you just want a physical representation of the bands that
you love and owning their album. So CDs are back, Baby,
Vinyls back, CDs are back. Isn't it interesting?

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
As things get more and more convenient, people want things
that are actually a little bit more tangible.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yep, I can understand that. But we're going to open
up the phone lines to you after three o'clock if
you're getting back into your CDs after two o'clock. Crazy
story centers on a little, non but rapidly growing practice
in the largely unregulated US surrogacy industry. So this is
wealthy Chinese elite, some of them billionaires, using American surrogate
mothers to have large numbers of children, often without ever

(04:56):
setting foot in the United States. This trend came to
light after a Los Angeles Family Court judge notice repeated
surrogacy petitions from the same Chinese billionaire who hope to
have around twenty US born sons.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
So it costs about two hundred thousand American to organize
a surrogacy, So is it worth that? Is it worth
two hundred and two hundred thousand dollars American to have
a child? Then and give it to some weird billionaire
who's trying to collect an army of sons. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Oh, in all seriousness, it makes you wonder. Two hundred
thousand bucks. That is a lot of money for a
lot of people, me included. They said to you, you know,
you've got to knock on the door saying, hey, I'd
quite like you to be a surrogate. Not me obviously,
because I can't do that. And here's two hundred thousand
dollars years for your troubles. Yeah, it's hard to say
no to but.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Difficult to give up your kid at the end of it.
I think I think there's a lot of attachment in
the pregnancy process. So yeah, well let's talk about that.
What do you think about this and surrogacy in general.
You know, have you experienced it on either side of it?
You know, how does it all go down? Because this
just seems a little bit sick just to be trying
to have all these children. Then again, we have a

(06:08):
massive population collapse problem in the world, very true. So
if we need more children and people are willing to
pay someone two hundred thousand dollars to have that child,
and that person wants to have the child for two
hundred thousand dollars and maybe the person wants five hundred kids,
but they're a billionaire and they can pay for them.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Then.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I don't know. It feels like key to me, but
maybe that's the future.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
That's going to be an interesting chat after Talklop. But
right now, let's get into this. So, schools have cracked
down on more fights and assaults than ever before. The
roles have increased, but they've clamped down harder. So the
Education Ministry Ministry figures show the number of standowns for
children who physically assaulted other students or their teachers reached
almost eleven thousands. They are some big numbers.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, So really what we want to talk about on
our one hundred and eighty ten eighty is violence in
schools because we keep hearing these stats and there's a
lot of panic out there. But I think schools are
less violent than they've ever been. I think schools in
terms of student on student violence, because back in my day,
when I was at school through the eighties and nineties,

(07:12):
you would there was a lot of hidings going on.
There was, and I got a lot of hidings, but
there was never even a suggestion that I could go
and speak to a teacher about it. The repercussions for
talking to a teacher about it were were worse than
anything that could.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Happen, right, Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
And there also there was a bit of an attitude
from teachers that, you know, don't tell tales, just sort
it out on the playground because you know, they came
from a harder time. Again, so they are, but like
you know, so you're being hung up on a locker,
you know, get bigger, learn out of fight.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, it was the philosophy back then.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
And I think that's bad, and I think kids should
be safe at school, but I do think that they are.
I think there is less physical bullying at schools now
than there was even in the early two thousands. Whether
there is more confrontations between physical confrontations between students and
teachers now, I think that was a very very rare

(08:05):
thing back in the day, Yes, but I think that's
becoming more and more common. So what do you think
a school's violent, more or less violent than they used
to be? Are you worried about these ten thousand students
stood down for assaults as school roles surge. I don't
know why school's rolling, Whether it's a school roll surge
thing or not. But are you worried about this? What
do you think things are a bit better in schools
than they used to be?

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Come on through, I wait one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you're a parent and your child has been involved
in a bit of a scuffle, how was it all
sorted out? And do you think the schools are generally
safer than they have been in the nineties, two thousands
and the eighties. Love to hear from you nineteen ninety two?
Is the text number is well?

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Back?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Very surely? It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 6 (08:50):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
They'd be afternoon to you, seventeen past one. So we're
talking about the schools cracked down on fights and assaults.
Up to or almost eleven thousand kids were stood down
for either physically assaulting other students or their teachers. So
the question we're put to you is our school's safer
than they've ever been. But as you mentioned, Matt, there
might be a question there when it comes to assaults

(09:14):
on teachers. If you're in the industry love to hear
from you.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
The six says, guys, it's just because it's less acceptable now.
I'm an eighties baby, and getting and giving a donk
was common, and we never cried to the teacher about it.
We just took it. I feel like because your generation
had like that, we tell our kids don't let anyone
hit you and say something that. It's just more exposed
now because schools have a zero tolerance all the ones
my kids attended, so they have to stand them down

(09:39):
and report it. The one time I got done for
fighting in primary schools, my punishment was doing lines in
the office in my lunch break.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
So true. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call? Guy? How are you Ida?

Speaker 7 (09:53):
Yeah, I'm just ringing about my son who had a
boy come from another school specon him at school, and
it was over a perceived nothing and why boy'd never
really been in a fight apart from a few play
fights with his lates. And this guy got quite nasty
is kicking out and stuff, and a teacher ended up
breaking up. But then he came again the next day.

(10:14):
And this is from another city too, so he's got
to get on a train to get there, and he
was trying to make a bit of a name for himself.
And when I saw the video, I was actually quite
disgusted because my boys was sitting there parrying his shots
and his kicks and just blocking and not doing anything
about it. So I took him into the garage and
pulled down my old punching bag and showed him what

(10:35):
to do. Well, he turned up another time and I
was just down the road and I got a call
and the kid was on a field and he came
over and he didn't care whether I was there. Well,
three teachers were there, which they were because I was
having a word saying what are you guys doing about?
They had him trespassed and everything this kid. So this
was on the third visit. Then the police arranged to

(10:58):
sit down with the mother and myself and Tristan's mother
and he was apologetic and stuff. So a little bit
down the track of his was on the bus and
my boy gave me a text and said, these three
guys are going to jump me when I get off
the bus. They're going to get off at the same
stop as me. And I said, all right, well, I'll

(11:19):
be there because it's just across the road from home.
So I hid behind the fence and I waited for
him to to get off the bus. And sure enough,
this kid started kicking, kicking out at my boy, and
by the time I got across the road, my boyd
laid three on the guy's chin, which was quite satisfying.
And there was another young fellow that heard what was
going on. He got off the bus at the same time,

(11:41):
and he came and helped as well. Now down the
track we go back to the original guy, his brother
and three others. They were all in ski masks and
hoddies and they waited for him by his moped. He
got told by people that they were there, so he
when he came towards his moped, they'd gone, or so

(12:03):
he thought. So he's putting his key in the ignission
and he got jumped from behind by one of them
that was in the bushes. So he knocked that guy,
the biggest one in the first one that started to
the ground, and the others backed off and the guy
got up and they were fighting. It was on video
for about two minutes and and and he was raining

(12:24):
these punches on this guy who didn't didn't want to stop,
but keep coming forward and taking them. And then then
the brother of this guy who initially started all this
way back come up and cheap shot at him in
the side of the face.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
So what do you know who they are? So you
so you obviously had that parents sit down, But the
wider people, I mean, that's that's that's police matter.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
Right yep.

Speaker 7 (12:46):
So so the police come there and once again the
kids that said that they're going to you're going to
come back and get him the next day, and who
was five of them and wait for them. The police
told me that the initial agressa wouldn't be there. I've
just complained the other day that the police Complaints authority
because I'm having no follow up with this. The guy

(13:07):
that did the cheap shot that they if they said
that they were going to do him because because of
the coward laws and all that sort of thing they
were they were they were really disappointed with that guy's behavior.
But the initial agrouse, who was about six foot two, well,
it appeared that nothing was going to happen there because
they perceived that my boy should have backed off him
after after he was defending himself. But my boy kept

(13:27):
there with his hand waiting for the guy to keep coming,
and I said, there's no there's no jury in the
land that would convict my boy. This is like I say,
all on video for defending himself against four masked guys.
And they said, well you know, and I said, well,
I want to know the outcome, which I've not heard
anything of. I was sent an email to the to

(13:48):
the police asking what's happened. I took Friday off work
last week and I went and sat in the police
station to try and get a result. They said no,
the officers are at the cricket and nobody wanted to help.
I then got a phone call. When I left, I
got a phone call saying that it's gone to uth
Ad and it looks like it's been dealt.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
We can't give you.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
The results of it because they don't know. And but
what I'm getting to is the problem we've got in
this country, mate, is there's no consequences for this crackhouse behavior.
There's no consequences whatsoever. And sometimes the boys sorting it
out themselves can be a good thing, but when you
get scenarios like this, we've got four or five and.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yes, yes, yeah, because the thing about sorting about yourself
is that you don't know what chaos you're entering into
the system. So, I mean, the right thing is to
talk to parents and to talk to teachers. But if
they're coming across town, they're putting on masks, and they're
targeting someone on the street, then that should be.

Speaker 8 (14:49):
Resources should be every resource should be deployed, Every resource
should be deployed to get these absolute assholes, is the
only word I can straight criminals.

Speaker 7 (14:59):
Complete assholes. Yeah, and last week he's in McDonald's with
his girlfriend and one of the aggresses came up to
him and said, go on this curtain and fight. And
Tristan's trouble fighting this guy. But there's no way he's
going outside to a trap with a whole bunch of
guys that could have nice sounds escalated.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
So they do it here.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
So they're orchestrating, they're making plans, and they're targeting someone
that they're going across town, they're coming from different areas,
they're coming from out of town to do it. I mean,
if that doesn't excite some kind of huge response from
everything authority available, then then I don't know what's the
point in any of this. I mean, that is that

(15:42):
is absolutely shocking and and there should be people deployed
on that.

Speaker 7 (15:48):
Well, i've got this on video that the police have
seen the video and there's there's there's too the video
footage that the school's gone so because it was in
the car back of the schools.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
And how is you how's your boy dealing with it?
I mean, is it must be terrible for him in
terms of anxiety and you know, how's he getting by
in life with all that's going on?

Speaker 9 (16:09):
Well, yeah, he's Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:14):
He's gone from from being non aggressive to very confident.
That's that's the best way I can put it, because
he really did drop this check pretty pretty easily, and
and he's got no no qualms as big as worry
would be as if somebody's putting a knife from someone.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Well it sounds like that it could easily if they're
escalating it to the point of putting masks on and
attacking someone and there's no telling where it goes. So
good good luck with you, I mean you, I mean,
I'm so sorry that this is heavened to your family,
And good luck getting someone to deal with it. I mean,
it needs to be dealt with.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
Well, it's in the hands of the complaints authority now,
so the police complaints authority. So I'm waiting to hear
back from them.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Let us know, let us know how you go. I
keep in touch, mate, because that's horrific. And please let
us know if you get some action on that, because
that is crazy. You can't send it.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
As soon as there's you know, obviously this kid coming
back multiple times for another from another place. I mean
that that is the hugest red flag possible for someone
being psycho. Yeah, and when they're orchestrating and organizing, putting
on masks to go and attack someone, then.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
You know, the police need to be going down on
that hard because it's going to escalate clearly.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
And there are a bunch of absolute psychos.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, they certainly are. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number of call. We are talking
about violence in schools. Love to get your experience as
a parent. Do you think violence is as bad as
it's ever been in schools? Nine to nine two is
the text. It is twenty six past one.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
Nichol Willis has pushed out Surplus.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Again so let's talk to the finance minister.

Speaker 10 (17:52):
Are we borrowing right now as a country just to
pay our interest bill on the debt?

Speaker 11 (17:56):
We are paying in part to pay the interest bill
on the debt, which is pretty big. It's more than
nine billion dollars A yeah, thank you labor. But as
we look over the next few years, around eighty percent
of our borrowings for capital investments, so that's infrastructure, so
as that we.

Speaker 6 (18:10):
Will have for the future.

Speaker 10 (18:11):
Okay, so why not run a zero budget like Bill English.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
Did because we do hair pressing needs.

Speaker 10 (18:17):
He had the same pressing needs, didn't he and he
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Speaker 3 (18:20):
A zero budget.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Heather duplusy Ellen on the mic asking breakfast back tomorrow
at six am with the Defender and used togs HEADB.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Twenty nine past one. We're talking about violence and schools.
So Education Ministry figures show the number of standowns for
children involved in violence, whether a student or against their teachers,
was almost eleven thousands.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Patrick says, guys, the biggest thing now with bullying is
that it's no longer just in school, but it carries
on to social media, which makes it so much worse. Now. Yeah,
I mean, that's what I said before that in my experience,
and my kids haven't gone to flesh schools, but in
my experience, because people are saying this is just a
low des so whole school situation, my kids haven't gone

(19:01):
to flash schools.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
But in my.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Experience, the physical bullying is down, but the social media
bullying is up, and so the psychological bullying, which can
do huge amounts of damage. And that's a real concern
that someone just can't go home and close the door
and go through the fence and be safe in their
own house now because they fire up their phone and
a bunch of little shits are you know, hassling.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Them, going at them. That inability to escape it, You're
so right, can cause a lot of damage. A couple
of texts and we've got the headlines coming up.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Hi, there's nobs about violence against teachers.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
I lost two front teeth. The principal took the student's
side and protected him twelve years old, refused to do anything.
I've been a principal teacher, primary school teacher for thirty
six years. Can't wait to retire.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Far out losing a couple of teeth to a kid
that is horrendous. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
But taking your calls on oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty the violence in schools? As a parent, do
you think it has gone down or do you think
it's still as bad as it's ever been? And if
your child has face and bullying, I'd love to hear
how that was dealt with.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Hi, guys, the surprise is you being surprised? If I
had a young son today, I would homeschool. My son
went to Calston Boys back in the day and it
was bad enough. I hate to think what goes on now. Well,
and thank you for your text, But I've had kids
and through schools recently, and I'm experiencing it across a

(20:29):
wide thing at the moment, with wide group of friends
and wide group of people. And I'm saying, compared to
my experience in school in the eighties and nineties, yep,
it appears to be a lot more focused on stopping
and bullying.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
This process is in place, and a lot.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Less physical violence in the schools. Okay, yeah, so you
know that's my experience. But one hundred and eighty ten eighty,
what do you think.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
We'll get two more of your calls real shortly headlines
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Speaker 3 (22:16):
Very good afternoon, dure twenty five to one, and we're
talking about violence in schools. According to Education Ministry figures,
eleven thousand kids we're stood down for exts of violence
against students or teachers. So what are you seeing as appearance?
Is it still as violent today as it has been
in previous generations?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
On one hundred and fifty one, So nine, seven hundred
and fifty eight students will stood down for assaulting other students.
One thousand, one hundred and fifty one students will stood
down for assaulting teachers. If you're assaulting teachers, then geez, geez,
you're not in a good way. Total student numbers serves
to eight hundred and fifty thousand night, Well, let's say
eight hundred and fifty one thousand, So it's eleven thousand

(22:54):
out of eight hundred and fifty one thousand, So it's
a small ish number. I mean, that doesn't mean much
to the nine hundred and seventy you know, the victims
of the nine hundred and seven thousand and fifty eight
students who have assaulted other other students. And you can
imagine that someone that sults one student's probably assulting a
bunch of different students.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Right, Yeah, but you're right on a percentage basis when
you think about all the kids at school, and they
got the numbers there, and arguably you could say back
when you're at school, back when I was at high school.
The difference there is it wasn't reported. And genuinely, we
talked about this before we started the show, the idea
of the third forms. When you started the third form,
it was well known at the school I went to
that you're going to get chucked down the hill, you're

(23:35):
going to get a bit of a dust up from
the older schools. It was kind of like a tradition
that stopped now, but it was part and part or
when I was at school and a lot of other people.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, I mean, has that stopped because I believe when
I was at school that it wasn't even really there
weren't really things in place to even complain about it.
You just sort of had to sort it out and
get some friends around you and try and deal with it. Yeah,
So I feel like the numbers were of the reporting
numbers would be up. Yes, so you look at this,

(24:04):
nine seven hundred and fifty eight students were stood down
for assulting other teachers of other students. I imagine back
in my day at Bogan Park High School there, you know,
there was no one was complaining when they got hit.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, there was no records being kept, No for when
someone had a punch on the playground.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Hi, guys, this is this exitruancy. Lack of engagement causes
disruptive behavior, especially if they can't read when they leave
primary school. Routine discipline will improve behavior, and Seymour and
Erica are working on this, but teachers and parents need
to also be clear about kid expectations. Dan, welcome to
the show.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Hey guys, there you go very well.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Can you hear your story?

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (24:45):
Yeah, A bit of an interesting, interesting story happened to
my son quite a few years back when he was
an intermediate he I think it was about eleven or twelve,
and we just moved to the area, so it's new
to the school, maybe about two three weeks. And you
know we're part Polynesian, so you know, he clicked down

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was sake the rugby boy? Other poly boys in the
in the intermediate and a kid from the high school,
which was I think he's about year ten, so he's
about four, about four years old, came to pick his
younger brother up from the intermediate and started like racially
abusing my son's mate, calling them you knows, as you

(25:27):
probably can imagine. And my son, you know, I've always
taught my kids to, you know, don't tolerate bullying and
stick up for the people getting bullied. You know, my
son's been boxing since he was five years old, so
you know, he's a well, well like kid and got
good morals, and you know, he just told the kids,
you know, they don't, don't talk to my mate like that,
and and this kid just went to attack him. And

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this was at the end of school, so the full
teacher's parents had on the courtyards, and the kid went
to attack him and swung punches at him, and my
son slipped them and hit him with the one too.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
You know, and dropped the kid.

Speaker 13 (26:04):
And then the teachers all got involved, and the kid
broke went frantic, broke away from the teachers and went
to attack my son again, and my son dodged the
punches are gonna hit him. And then this kid's gone
away getting pulled away by two teachers saying he's gonna
drop in racist remarks that he's gonna kill the family,
our family, and and my son gets food down for

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five days and know nothing.

Speaker 9 (26:28):
Nothing for the other.

Speaker 13 (26:29):
Kid, apparently because he's had experienced of martial arts and boxing,
and he he landed the punches that he got.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
This is a kid that wasn't this is a kid
that wasn't even at the school, and he's in the
he's in the playground and he attacks a kid in
the school grounds.

Speaker 13 (26:47):
Absolutely, absolutely, I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
That seems like a matter for the police. It feels
like a matter for the police and and the teachers
to sit back and do with what the police say,
not standing down the kid, your kid.

Speaker 13 (26:59):
It was, it was it was a bit of a
you know, we're new to the school, and the school
had said, eh, the families, we've had a lot of
issues and lots of lots of novels with the family.
The dad's in jail, and I'm like, well, that's beside
the point.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Like it's not your kid's problem.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
You know, my son was defending himself. He was defending himself.

Speaker 13 (27:18):
Older other parents, teachers said, like a kid went to
attack him, but because he didn't land his punches, and
my son did that andrew blood from.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
It from the other boys nose that.

Speaker 13 (27:28):
You know, my son should have restrained himself, being a trained.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Athlete, as they they said. But he's like he was
like twelve years old.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Well so so this kid, this other kid was at
high school.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yeah, it was I think it was a year nine,
about four. Yeah, it was a bully known bully.

Speaker 13 (27:45):
You mean, because you know intermediate, they knew the kid.
He'd gone through intermediate up into the high school and
he went to pick his younger brother up and then
you know, then you all knew that this kid.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Was just being a bully to the other kids.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
That's probably isn't the right thing to say, Dan, But
if you were at high school when you run into
the grounds of an intermediate and get dropped by her
kid an intermediate, and then your reputation's blood.

Speaker 13 (28:06):
Yeah, my sound a bit of a bit of an
urban legend. I don't mean, I'm not promoting any violence
or anything, but but yeah, I tried to you know,
I tried to add meetings with with the principal, and
you know, they said if I wanted to go to
do a meeting with the with the board or go
to the police, but I just didn't really want to

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put you know, take it any further.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, because a bit of a hassle.

Speaker 13 (28:33):
But well, my son ended up losing out on a
on a on a scholarship to our school because he
had disciplinary he had a stand down on his on
his record, so you know, they ended up being a
bit detrimental.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
To his you know, to his to a scholarship to
a high school later down the tracks.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
You know, yeah, that's not Yeah.

Speaker 13 (28:49):
I'm just like but you know, like I don't understand this,
like no tolerance to violence, Like what here you supposed
to do with someone to text you? What you're supposed
to do for an older kids? It's not even at
the school attack you.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, well thank you for you call Dan what I'm
and all the best for your son and you. That
sounds like, see the thing about this it gets so
complicated when older members of family are getting involved. That
was the story that we had earlier when who was
it was from guy from Guy. Yeah, when other members
of a kid's family are getting involved.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Start wearing ski masks and potential with knives. I mean,
it is complicated, but in that situation, the school's got
to step up there, surely, because we're keen to hear
from you. If you're a parent and your kid's being
bullied and it's escalated and they can't defend themselves, how
was that dealt with? Because that's where it becomes a problem,
right If the school doesn't step in to try and
resolve it, then things start to heat up and it

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turns into a guy situation.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well, listen to this, guys. When I went to school,
this must have been a while ago. If you were
caught fighting at lunchtime, the headmaster would call a special
assembly for after lunch and the whole school would turn up.
He would bring one guy on from the left hand
side of the stage and one from the right and
they would both get the strap in front of the
whole school. It was humiliating for them, but it didn't
happen often because of everyone knew the consequences.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
We would do it.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Well.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I mean that's but rough though. If you were the
one big picked on and some some some a whole
little bully attacks another kid and then you're both getting
strapped in front of the school. True, but yeah, I imagine,
I mean the humiliation of that, would you know.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
It would solve a lot of them.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
I had one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to callback?

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Very shortly?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
It is seventeen too, to have a chat with.

Speaker 6 (30:27):
The lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Be it is fourteen to two. We're talking about violence
in schools. After the Education Ministry release figures that showed
eleven thousand kids were stood down for violence against students
or teachers. I had one hundred eighty ten eighty set
number to call.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Mike, you've got a kid in prime me now, is
that correct?

Speaker 7 (30:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (30:49):
Yeah, yeah, I got a kid in prime. But everything's
okay with them, Like no bullying that you ever heard of?

Speaker 5 (30:56):
That?

Speaker 14 (30:56):
Well what I was ringers. So I went to a
school and the violence and the bullying that I saw
at my school when I was in the early nineties,
what's horrific and and recently in the news and you'll
probably yes, what school it is? So shut the boarding
side of it down, h yeah, I mean yeah, the students, well.

Speaker 15 (31:24):
The prefects, they ran in the school, you know, and
they and the teachers were scared of the students, well
or the prefets. And there was one very bad situation
there where actually got put in a coma and the
person that put him in a coma there was multiple people,

(31:45):
but what what what was the blow was someone had
two twenty kilo dunbell waits and smash him over the
guy's head a vegetable. Yeah, yeah, And I won't name
the person did that, but I saw it and a
bunch of us saw it, and I won't name the.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Person and did and were the criminal charges against them?

Speaker 4 (32:09):
You know?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Did it go beyond the school?

Speaker 14 (32:13):
Everyone that was in the attack, apart from the person
that sit the guy over the head with the dumbnail waits,
there were no charges laid against it. He was spent
under the cardboard man.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
That's yeah, Yeah, that is crazy. I mean, I think
even even in the old days, if things got out
of control like that, and do you put someone in
a coma, certainly the police should have been involved in
late charges. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Yeah, Tony, you're a teacher aid in
a primary school. Nice to chat with you.

Speaker 16 (32:45):
Oh, yeah, I am. That's been listening this afternoon, and
I hear you're talking a lot about I guess the
high schools and the older kids and the violence and
things like that. But as a teacher in a primary
school going from the year zero to year age, it's
there two and I guess it's an unfortunate thing with

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some of these kids. It's learnt behavior from home their
life there. I guess their lifetime situation is not good
and they don't know how to control their emotions or
what they're feeling. And these kids don't pick on any

(33:30):
one particular person. It's if they get agitated anyone to
be a game, whoever's in front of them, they were
going to keep them.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
And what can you do about that? Because you know,
they may have this troubled situation, but that's not the
fault of the kids that they target.

Speaker 16 (33:49):
No. Well, I guess we as a school, we have places,
I guess, agencies that we have to work with them,
put reports into and we can only do so much.
You know, we can put it into the hands of
other agencies to get help for these families, but there's
the families have to want to help as well.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, it must be heartbreaking to have to witness all
the stuff, you know, these these.

Speaker 16 (34:16):
And then I mean it's you know, I've colleagues of mind.
I've had cheers thrown at them, chir They've had cheers
hat them and in their back. They've been they've been punched.
I've been over there. I've been a teacher for maybe
five years, six years now. I've been hit. Not bad,
but you know, that's just what it is. You've just

(34:37):
got to try and deflect and try and you know,
the reason why sometimes you get hurt is because you're
trying to protect other children.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
And what tools do you have, Tony?

Speaker 4 (34:48):
What?

Speaker 17 (34:49):
You know?

Speaker 6 (34:49):
What?

Speaker 3 (34:49):
What are the processes involved to deal with that?

Speaker 18 (34:52):
Is?

Speaker 3 (34:52):
It quite limited?

Speaker 16 (34:53):
It is because we can't restrain children. We can't you know,
we can't physically restrain them. A lot of the time
we have to evacuate it. Yeah, We've so a lot
of the time we have to evacuate a class because
one two children are causing a problem.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, I think that. I think that is that is
a ridiculous situation because for the safety of everyone, for
a kid's going crazy, they need to be restrained.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (35:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (35:21):
Yeah, And you know, I was like, I've myself, teachers
that I work with, other teacher rates that I work with,
We've been threatened with I'm going to kill you, I
want to stab you, I want to see you did wow.
And these are from children under the age of twelve.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
That's that's that's terrifying.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
It is terrifying. And Tony, you've got a hell of
a job and glad you're there. But hopefully they get
some more resources in there, because that's crazy. Right, We're
going to take a quick break, but taking your calls
on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is nine minutes
to two.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Mad Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams. Afternoons News Talks B News
Talks the B.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
It is seven to two.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I thought i'd see the official vice for dealing with
a situation where your kid tells you they're being bullied.
This is the advice. Take this issue seriously and talk
with your child. Listen carefully, stay calm, and reassure your
child that bullying is not their fault. Make time to
talk about what's happened, and take their concerns. Seriously support
your child emotionally. Reassure them that they did the right
thing by telling you. Gather facts and notes. Write down

(36:29):
exactly what happened, including who, when, where, and how often.
This helps when reporting to the school. Contact the school promptly.
Arrange a meeting with your child's teachers, senior staff or principle.
Discuss the issue. Work cooperatively with the school. Stay calm
and respectful when talking with the school staff. Follow up
on agreed actions, and keep communication open. Escalate if needed,

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raise a written complaint with the school's board of trustees.
If things remain still unresolved, contact Ministry of Educational's regional office.
You can even take it to the ons Budsman. Serious
or criminal behavior assaults, threats, weapons, sexual harassments should be
taken to the police. Cyber bullying keep all evidence of
online messages or images. Work with your child to build

(37:11):
a plan. Ask your child what they want to do,
work together on solutions and support the plan. Keep monitoring
and supporting your child, Check and regularly on how they're
doing an adjust your approach as needed.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
That is some great advice, Sean. We've got about ninety seconds.
Can you hear your story.

Speaker 19 (37:29):
Ah, Ca, I go to Catur.

Speaker 20 (37:32):
It's just we're our family where our family experienced six
years ago, coming from overseas, we bring our children home
to experience. I was like to be in the New
Zealand schools and our twelve years old into intermediate and

(37:53):
got stabbed. Wow, apacs and the school just folded up
and supported the attacker and all right with my family member.
My child didn't come out of ringbery, got traumas eyes.
You know, it was all about you know, they didn't
help the victim, to help the attacker. And I'm really

(38:14):
pissed off, bro, and hear the story's going on. Bro,
But I'm gonna about fire with Firebro. You know you
can talk to you on the poll.

Speaker 9 (38:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (38:23):
I'm all the fathers here, you know, take your child
teaching self defense because at the end of the day,
very own. These children are yeah, the next level.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Now, Ye're sorry, son, we have to go to the news.
But I'm so sorry to hear that they haven't been
stabbed with scissors.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
For a young child. Yeah, yeah, so sorry. I had
to deal with that, Sean right. Thank you very much
to everyone who called and text on that one. I
really appreciate it, and hopefully things are will start to
get a bit better in the school system when it
comes to violence. Coming up after two o'clock, we'll ever
talk about a story out of the US. It's on
a little none but rapidly grown practice around the sura

(39:02):
sea industry. This is wealthy Chinese elites using surrogate mothers
in America to have large number of children each being
paid around two hundred thousand bucks, which is crazy big money.
But we want to have a chat about that. I
weight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Nine two ninety two is the text New
Sport and Weather coming up. Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
They'd be very good afternoon. Sure it is seven pass
too great to have your company as always, So we
want to ever talk about a kind of crazy story
that came out of the Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah. I heard this first on Heather Duplessy Allen's breakfast
show and for Mike Hosking the other day, and it's
blew my mind. Yeah, So shall we listen to her
discussing it.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Let's do it.

Speaker 10 (39:55):
Listen, gott to tell you about this weird thing that's
happening in the US. Apparently, really really, really wealthy like
billionaire level wealthy Chinese businessmen are having hundreds and hundreds
of surrogates in the US, and not hundreds and hundreds each,
but in some cases some of them are having up
to one hundred surrogate babies in the US. Now we
know about this because this has been going through the

(40:17):
courts in the US for a couple of years, and
for the first time one of the judge's decisions has
been reported by media over there. And it's the case
of a video game executive whose name is Jubo, who's
had one hundred kids, and he went to court seeking
parental rights to four of these unborn children, and the
courts have declined. They said, no, you actually do not
have the right of a parent to these children. You've

(40:39):
had nothing, apart from obviously donating your sperm, nothing to
do with them, and it's leaving the kids in a
very legally weird place. He already has these four that
are being born, has another eight that they know of,
and potentially up to one hundred. He said, he wants
to have all of the boys the children be boys
because boys are superior to girls, and then he wants

(40:59):
the boys to one day take over his business. And
how this basically runs over the US is that the
babies are born via surrogate and then they're raised by
nanny's over there as they await paperwork to travel back
to China, and he doesn't meet them at the time.
And this is so like up to the time that
they arrive in China. This is so widespread in the US.

(41:19):
By the way, there are so many Chinese business people
who are now doing it. Some of them just you know,
unable to have children, just want a couple of kids
like normal people. Some of them doing like kookie things
like having ten girls because they want to marry them
off to powerful men. So much of this was going
on that there is any a thriving mini industry in
the US. There are surrogacy agencies, law firms, clinics, delivery agencies,

(41:41):
nanny services who'll pick the newborns up from the hospital as.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Soon as they arrive. Costs up to two hundred thousand
dollars per charter.

Speaker 10 (41:47):
The whole thing is completely nuts and has been happening,
and apparently like underneath everyone's noses, no one's even really
fully aware of it, but now that they are, looks
like they're going to crack down on it, and you
can see for good reason.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
So incredibly crazy story, but a very very interesting one.
The idea of being a surrogate in another country like
America and being paid very handsomely for it two hundred
thousand dollars plus you were, so I should say, yeah,
it's an interesting one.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
So someone wants two hundred thousand dollars, can you blame
them for for birthing a baby? If someone wants it.
I mean, these Chinese billionaires, they seem to be running
somewhat of a for want a bit of word baby
farming situation. So there is a weird sort of ethical
part to it that you know, I can't quite give

(42:40):
my head around it. Why I find it so ecky
because if they can support them and their nannies that
bring them up are nice, then you know, maybe they
can have a great life, right, yeah, if the billionaires
are going to look after them. But I mean that
billionaire is saying that he only wanted sons is an
interesting one, isn't it. Yeah, So, I mean that's caused

(43:01):
to all kinds of problems in China, hasn't it. It
has with the one baby rules laws that led to
just people getting aboarding a lot of females basically exactly.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
So his head's up to one hundred children through this
particular system. So it does raise a lot of ethical
concerns there. I mean, if he wants only boys, what
happens if there's some girls that are popped out by
these surrogates so they raise them themselves. Maybe that's part
of the two hundred thousand dollars. But also if he
wants someone to take over the family business and he's
got one hundred potential here is lined up, so.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
One one lucky, it's going to be succession on steroids,
isn't it is?

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, what happens the other ninety nine if they don't
get the top job.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
But I mean if he guarantees to look after them
for their whole life, you know, if there's some I
mean I don't know how you enforce that, but I
mean you wouldn't. You wouldn't be spreading a lot of
fatherly love around all two hundred with you? No, I mean,
my parents struggled to remember the names of myself and
my three sisters.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Yeah, so two hundred two hundred it's going to be
a hell of a memory.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yeah, yeah, it's going to be tough. But you know,
as we keep hearing, the biggest threat to humanity at
the moment is population decline. So if some billionaire wants
to throw an extra two hundred in the mix, then
maybe he's helping us all out.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah, what do you say, Oh, eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty, do you see some solid ethical concerns here?
And does it feel a bit icky to accept the
likes of two hundred thousand dollars to be a surrogate?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
But also let's bring it back to New Zealand, where
I don't think there are any billionaires farming two hundred kids.
I don't think that's happening here, not that we know
of yet. But surrogacy in New Zealand it's an interesting thing.
There's a lot of laws protecting surrogate mothers in New
Zealand's Yes, you know, at birth, the legal parent of

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a child born vice surrogancy, they don't have to give
the child up. So if you've gone into a deal
with a person when the baby's born. There's no contract there,
you know that contract, that plan can be broken and
the mother can choose to keep the child right. Yes,
so it's a very very complicated thing. So if you've
been successfully involved in surrogacy or unsuccessfully, would love to

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talk about it and generally what do you think about this?
These two hundred.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Babies, fascinating story. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
that number to call, love to hear from you? Nine
to nine to two. It is twelve past two. Back
very shortly.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Wow your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams.
Afternoons call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Very good afternoon to you. It has quarter past two.
So we're talking about surrogacy on the back of quite
an unusual and crazy story out of the US where
it appears there are Chinese elites and billionaires who are
paying big money to have surrogates in America and mostly
were the one that was uncovered wants mostly boys.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Yeah, so commercial surrogacy is legal in New Zealand. Only
altruistic altruistics surrogacy is permitted. This is according to Aranga tanmariki.
The surrogate can best for reasonable expenses like medical costs,
but cannot receive payment for carrying the child. I mean
reasonable expenses is that a Eston Martin to drive around

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and while you're pregnant? I mean can you how far
can you sweeten the deal? What are reasonable expenses? But
the interesting thing is, so if you look at the
situation in the United States with this billionaire paying two
hundred thousand American per sarroger at birth, and if a
New Zealand resident commissioned sagus overseas, New Zealand law still applies.

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Returning the child home, the surrogate and her partner are
treated as legal parents at birth under New Zealand law.
So even if you go over to the States and
cough up two hundred grand, New Zealand law still applies.
Interesting the intending parents must adopt the child in New
Zealand to gain legal parenthood, and the child may need
a visa before entering New Zealand. Immigration officials decide this

(47:02):
on a case by case basis. So it's pretty interesting,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
It's complex, very complex. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you have been involved with surrogacy in New Zealand,
or you needed a surrogant to have a child yourself
loved to hear from you. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
I know someone who has had two surrogate children, says
this text. I also know someone who has carried a
baby for a childless couple. The later does not get
that much, the latter does not get that much. The
former pay huge money. The middle man gets the lines
here of the of clipping the ticket Juliet Wow.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Interesting nine two ninety two is that text?

Speaker 2 (47:38):
David, welcome the show.

Speaker 9 (47:40):
Oh how's it going?

Speaker 19 (47:41):
Our first time?

Speaker 7 (47:42):
Course I was nervous.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Well, welcome to the show. Thank you for calling?

Speaker 19 (47:46):
Oh thanks you? Yeah, Hey, I'm just my little take
on it is. I think the main reason why, especially
like the billionaire Chinese over there in the States, are
doing it, it's actually to do with once I've got
a child in there, they can be by land.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Right, Okay, yeah, So what is it?

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Birth?

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Birth, birthright citizen ship.

Speaker 19 (48:09):
Yeah, birth right citizenship. And I know that they've been
trying to crack down on that for a while because
he's been quite a bit of other types of people
trying to do that.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
As well.

Speaker 19 (48:22):
So I'm just I'm just wondering whether it's whether it's
got anything to do with fat Because if you've got
a billionaire and they've got a business, and maybe they
might not have any ears, but if you've got your
business in America and it's set up through there, and
they can actually like gift it to like you know,

(48:44):
when they pass away or something, and it's like having
it's like having ownership, you know, because.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
A lot of money there. Yes, I know, I mean,
I imagine there'd be a lot of legal loopholes you
could utilize if you've got a child born in America
and you're not American, that you can tap into that child.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
How many children is this guy lining up for surrogacy?

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Up to one hundred?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Up to a hundreds, so he would be getting a
real he'd be getting a big footprint in America. Win
he with one hundred kids?

Speaker 19 (49:14):
Yeah, yeah, well I would. I would say that, like
even even if they get like you have five children
or something and they are in different parts of America,
you know, and then by him having heeds of money,
he can set there them up with the same businesses
that he's got and that way you've got global markets

(49:36):
opened up through America through his sons.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Well, what's what's interesting about what he said? Yeah, what's
interesting about what he's saying, Dave, when they talk to
this guy as he is very much talking about it
in terms of business, isn't he Because he was saying
he wants you know, he wants mainly boys because he
believes that that that boys are better at business. That
that's that's something that he stated. So it doesn't seem
like a stretch at all what you're saying, Dave, David,

(50:02):
that he's he's having these children, he's not with them.
They're being brought up by nannies. So it seems very
likely that this isn't just a love thing and he
just wants to have a huge family of one hundred kids.
Does seem likely that he's got some ulterior motive?

Speaker 19 (50:17):
Yeah, I'll be with the with the nanny's eye. I guarantee.
There's a clause in there that says that he's got
nothing of the children, but until they turn a certain
age like eighteen, and then he'll be he's got he'll
have a legal right to be in their life.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah, I think so. Sorry, Sorry, you just cut out
for a second.

Speaker 19 (50:38):
Oh sorry, mate, Yeah, what I was sorry getting there
is he might not there might be a clause in
there that says that he has nothing to do with
the children, but he pays for the education. So they're
going to like, you know, Harvard or whatever until I
get to the age of eighteen, and then he's got
a right to uh as the father to you know,

(50:59):
have the have the children in his life, and that
way he can actually introduce them to the business.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
And yeah, it's an interesting one, David.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
I'm going to see a lot of ethical fishalks here.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
It sounds like a plot to a movie, doesn't it.
It's it's like a kid that grows up and they've
got a nanny and they're growing up in luxury because
their father's a billionaire, but they're not getting a lot
of love in their life outside of their nanny. At eighteen,
they get invited to some I'm just imagining the movie.
They get invited to some huge mansion, they find out
who their father is, and the father goes, you know,

(51:33):
you now compete with another one hundred kids to see
who's going to run this business.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I'd watch it. That sounds like a great movie to watch.
That sounds very entertaining.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, it's just an interesting way to look at humanity
as a resource as opposed to what normal parenting is,
which is all about love and connection keeping on the
bloodline and family. Yeah, what this is is humans as
a transactional device. Yeah, it's a little bit terrifying. Thanks

(52:03):
you so much for your call, David.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Great call O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. If
you've been involved in surrogacy New Zealand, I love to
have a chat with you. It obviously is quite a
full on thing for people to go into or complex.
So can to hear your journey and story and a
beautiful thing as well that if you cannot have a
child and you're able to find someone who can be
a surrogate. Yeah, and that's an incredibly beautiful thing to do.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
And of course a lot of people are pushing back
on Dave's theory that if you are a billionaire then
then citizenship is not a problem for you getting into America.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
That is a good point.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
In New Zealand or most Western countries, they're like, you're
a billionaire, come on and.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Buddy, money talks, baby. It is twenty two past two
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is that number
to call.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Matt Heathen Tayler Adams afternoons Call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
For a good afternoons. You're twenty four pasts too. So
we're talking about surrogacy. This is on the back of
a story by The Wall Street Journal which uncovered in
the largely unregulated you with surrogacy industry, wealthy Chinese elites
using American mothers to have have children.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
This is interesting from Ryan. When you have all the
money in the world, DNA is the next big thing.
Happens a lot more than we know. So already have
fifty to one hundred kids. So is that saying that
you've got all the money in the world, but there's
a sort of immortality part of spreading your DNA around.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
I suppose it would be.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
So you're having a bigger footprint on the world because
you know you remain mortal.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yeah, you've hit the billionaire goal and the next thing
is have lots of kids.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Dominique, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Hi, thanks for having me, Thanks for giving us a call.
So you have a wonderful story. You have a baby
on the way via surrogacy.

Speaker 21 (53:47):
I do, I do, I actually had it. I haven't
been listening to the show, but a friend of mine
text and and was like, hey, do you think talking
on the radio they're looking for someone who is going
through surrogacy. So my husband and I am currently expecting
a little girl sex mane away after like a five

(54:11):
year journey with IVF and we are expecting her to viasurrogacy,
which is very cool.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
How did you Thank you so much for it, for
bringing in and thank your friends for getting hold of
you for us, this is this is great and great
to hear your story. So once you decided to go
the surrogacy surrogacy path, how did you approach that dominique?

Speaker 21 (54:32):
So in New Zealand, it's quite a complex procedure. It's
not something we could just decide. We had to be
I guess offered by our medical practitioners. Our like fertility
doctors recommended that it might be the only way that
it would sort of happen for us. And so you

(54:53):
go in front of the New Zealand Ethics Committee to
get approval, You've got to have a bit of a
history with a fertility clinic, of not being able to
get pregnant or you know IBF not working, which we had,
and so once we offered that as an option in

(55:17):
New Zealand, it's it's completely altruistic. So we couldn't go
to like an agency how they've got in America and
offer to pay someone. So I put it on our
social media and an old friend of mine reached out.
We have been back. We had lots of people reaching
out that ultimately went with an old friend, which was

(55:40):
amazing because the other problem with the law in New
Zealand is that the birth mother is seen as the
legal parent and the birth mother has up until a
year after your child is born to change their mind

(56:01):
because we have to adopt our baby once she's born.
And so yeah, a little bit scary if you if
you get someone that does change their mind, they've got
a whole year to decide that.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
What was the motivation for the old friend to do
the surrogacy, because you know, as you were saying, for
it's not a it can't be a commercial venture here
in New Zealand, it has to be altruistic.

Speaker 21 (56:26):
From the stargate mother, Yeah, look, she is just one
of those people that in fact, when I posted on
social media. I knew that she would be someone that
would offer, because that's just so in her nature. And
I mean, I can't understand how anyone, you know, could
possibly want to give, Like it's just the biggest gift

(56:47):
that you could give someone. And I think that is
exactly the reason why she would you want to do it.
She's got two little boys of her own, and you know,
I just said it's something that she had thought about previously,
and just like, yeah, just a very very good, amazing
kind person.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
What a wonderful person. So you mentioned before you had
the five years of IVF and unfortunately unsuccessful. So the
conversation you and your partner had when you were looking
at what next, How how did that journey go when
you were thinking about surrogacy and looking further into it.

Speaker 21 (57:27):
It was I think something neither of us had ever
really thought we would be those people that were going
down this you know road. It was a huge relief
when the doctor suggested that we looked down this pass,
because you know, after like several rounds and so many failures,

(57:49):
you just it does start to really like eat away
at you. So yeah, we were we were both relieved
and thankfully My partner was also very open to the
idea of surrogacy. You know, it's it's our DNA, so
it's it's still our child, you know, biologically it's still

(58:09):
our child, I think, which was really important for us.
You know, I know some people open to adoption that
wasn't I mean, I hadn't been considered at that point.

Speaker 18 (58:21):
So yeah, for us, I think it was really important
having a child that was our own DNA.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Now, I was mentioned before that commercial surrogacy is illegal
in New Zealand, but you are allowed to reimburse the
surrogate reasonable expenses. You must feel, you know, the weight
of wanting to look after this old friend that's doing
this for you, So how are you supporting them in
a non commercial way? Not paying them, but how are

(58:48):
you supporting them with their needs and just day to day?

Speaker 21 (58:53):
Honestly I would, I would happily buy her anything she
asked for, but she again, she's not the kind of
person that is going to do that. That just is
so against every bit of who she is. But like
I said, she does have two little boys, which very
very big into dirt bikes motorcycles, so they've got to

(59:16):
they've got two dirt bikes coming for Christmas from Santa
Yeah one. I'm very excited to see some videos of
them receiving early hours of the morning.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Hey, Dominique, we have to go to the news headlines now,
but we've still got a bunch of questions for you.
Would you be able to hold on for about probably.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Five two minutes, about two minutes, about two minutes.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
And then we'll come back with you because this story
is really interesting. Were loving talking to you.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
You're wonderful. We're going to be back shortly with Dominique.
But right now the headlines with railing coming up twenty
nine to three.

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Jevin mc skinning sentencing is underway in the Wellington District Court,
where more than a dozen people are filed into the
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returned by the government today never belonged to the Crown
and this gives justice to descendants of its original Tetoui
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Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. So before the headlines, we
were speaking with Dominique, who was expecting a child with
her partner via Sor after five years of trying. Ivy, Yes,
and Dominique is back with us. Dominique, thank you so
much for hanging on. It's great to chat with you.

Speaker 21 (01:01:23):
That's okay, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
So just to confirm because I might have misheard this.
So there's the game mates are from you and your husband?
Is that correct? Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:01:32):
They call it an embryo. I once to get to
that stage.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
A long time ago.

Speaker 18 (01:01:40):
Okay, yeah, no no, so yeah, it is our embryo
which was transferred yes months ago.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
So, Dominique, have you have you talked about the birthday?
And you know and and and who I guess you
know it takes your daughter home after the birth? How
that's going to run?

Speaker 21 (01:02:05):
So again in New Zealand, you've got a social worker
gets assigned to you the minute you start this process,
and we have to ring that social worker the minute
my surrogate goes into labor, and they basically prepare start
to prepare the documents that will allow you to take

(01:02:25):
your child home straight after birth. So they they you're
not legally adopting the child that day. That's a six
month process that happens six months after birth.

Speaker 18 (01:02:39):
But you do get to take your baby home as
a I think it's under like a legal guardianship kind
of situation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
So you and your husband will be there for the birth.
You're there were well we will.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
So I mean it's to my years, it sounds like
quite a daunting thing that you've gone through, a beautiful thing,
but adorting thing. And you mentioned your doctor suggested it
as a potential. Are there organizations processes in place to
guide you through what you need to do to make
it as easy as possible.

Speaker 21 (01:03:14):
Not not really there. So once you kind of get
told that this could be an option for you, they
handed you like a document stating the steps of like
where to next, and then it's on you to find
a surrogate, to make contact with all the right people, lawyers,

(01:03:35):
social workers. There isn't an agency who sort of manages
it all for you. And so through this process I
met several other girls, you.

Speaker 18 (01:03:46):
Know, women families that have been through similar, you know.

Speaker 21 (01:03:52):
A similar process and began to sort of tack off
the boxes one by one of you know, finding a
social worker, finding a lawyer for myself, finding a lawyer
for our surrogate, having to go through the IVF process again.
So you know, it took me about a year all
up working my way through that process. And then again

(01:04:17):
you have to put together a large amount of information
to get approval by the New Zealand Ethics Committee. And
one of the hardest parts about surrogacy and New Zealand
is obviously finding the surrogate.

Speaker 18 (01:04:32):
So unless you know someone.

Speaker 21 (01:04:34):
Who has sort of offered, and it's not a conversation that's.

Speaker 18 (01:04:39):
Often had, you know, around a drink or over the
dinner table.

Speaker 21 (01:04:44):
It's really tricky and hence the.

Speaker 18 (01:04:47):
Need for us to put it on social media. You know,
we don't really know where to.

Speaker 21 (01:04:50):
Start that conversation. When we posted it, we had an
overwhelming response from like our community of people I guess
around us. I think maybe like sixteen people responded with
genuine interest in helping us, which was mind blowing. Yeah,
people shared our you know, our Instagram post over and

(01:05:13):
over again, and you know, thousands of people had seen it,
seen it, and I began sort of working my way
through the messages and then then you know, my friend,
my old friend's name popped up, and that was very
reassuring because even before so once you start, you get

(01:05:33):
told that you have to know someone for at least
six months. So if someone had reached out and it
wasn't someone I knew, I needed to know them for
six months before I could even sort of start the conversation,
which six months is not not a hell of a
lot of time to trust somebody with with that, you know,
so we were really hopeful that someone we knew already

(01:05:57):
would reach out, which ended up happening.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Dominic, thank you so much for talking to us today
and thank you being for being so open. It's really
really interesting. Now you're in the situation where you and
your partner are going to be the biological parents. So
it's it's very different from adoption and how things go forward.
But but what kind of relationship do you see the
surrogate mother having with your with your daughter going forward?

Speaker 21 (01:06:24):
If any, it's it's definitely will be part of her story.

Speaker 18 (01:06:31):
And again it's something that then the the counselors that
we work through.

Speaker 21 (01:06:38):
Work with, they tell you that it has to be
known to that child, like every child has a right
to know how they came into this world. So by
New Zealand's law, it is actually on us to all
to share the information. It's not information we can withhold.

(01:06:58):
So for us, I guess it will just be it
will just be part of her story of how you know,
she came to be. I mean, she is an old
friend of mine, so I've always had a friendship with her.
It's not like that, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Now, It's not going to disappear just because yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:07:16):
Yeah, yeah, so so it's nice. It'll just be continued,
you know, and probably change slightly.

Speaker 18 (01:07:24):
You know, we'll probably see him more than I did previously.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
And so you say it's going to be part of
your daughter's story, When will let stories start? If you
know what I mean.

Speaker 21 (01:07:36):
They sort of advise you that the minute your child
starts asking, that's that's the conversation. And there's lots of
resources they've given us, like really nice books for children,
you know, because again, like my surrogate, she's got two
little kids who are going to be asking, you know,
where this baby is going when the baby arrives and

(01:07:58):
then doesn't come home, you know, So there's there's books
around that both for her kids to sort of have
an understanding and make the full circle connect, you know,
because there are only like six.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
And four Yeah, oh yes, right, I see.

Speaker 19 (01:08:14):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Are they any concerns from you that you know, she's
had two boys now having a girl, you know, is
there any concerns that you know what I'm asking?

Speaker 21 (01:08:29):
Look, I do know what you're asking.

Speaker 18 (01:08:31):
I do.

Speaker 21 (01:08:33):
No, there are not. Maybe maybe if I didn't know her,
like sure, that would cross your mind. As her husband
said to my husband, you know, like you one thousand
percent need to pick up this baby. I did not
sign up for another one. So we've reassured him.

Speaker 18 (01:08:49):
That, you know, we will be absolutely taking her home.

Speaker 21 (01:08:54):
You know, they didn't want any more children, and actually
that's part of the you know, that's part of the process.
They when they get asked, you know, do you want
more kids, the ant has to be not. You can't
they can't say yeah, yeah, we kind of do. You know,
he probably wouldn't get approved.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Yeah, Dominique, it's been wonderful to chat with you, and
so so happy that you've got a beautiful baby on
the way in another three months. And can I just say,
you know, is knowing the pain of having trouble having children,
it's a wonderful thing that has happened to you and
your partner. And thank you very much for having a
chat with us.

Speaker 21 (01:09:30):
Much appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Guys, have a great day you too. What a great
call from Dominique. I mean, it is fascinating. She was fantastic. Right,
we are taking more calls, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
After the break, we're gonna have a chat with Bill,
who has a four year old via IVF and surrogate eggs.
He's coming up next at sixteen to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Three, a fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heathen
Taylor Adams Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Youth Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
That'd be fourteen to three, and we are talking about surrogacy.
If you've been through that journey, love to hear from
you on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Welcome to the show. I hope you're all today, Yeah,
very much. You're an interesting situation.

Speaker 9 (01:10:11):
Yeah, this is.

Speaker 22 (01:10:11):
Especially good story for you, tails because I know you're
having a couple of issues.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
Like we did.

Speaker 12 (01:10:17):
Now.

Speaker 22 (01:10:17):
We went through many rounds of five years no luck.
I had already had two boys from a previous marriage,
so it looked like that my side of the biological
puzzle was okay. But it was my wife's eggs that
were the problems. You know, and after this, ivy happens
a few times and it felt like a you know,

(01:10:40):
just felt like we were losing the baby. Retirement didn't work,
and that was really really hard on my wife. And
we went back to the doctor till six He is
the worst news and he said, why don't you try
a sarrogon eggs and we went, well, what can you
do that? And sure enough you can get a news
donator through the IVUS program.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
That helped us.

Speaker 22 (01:10:59):
Now, what I didn't realize was the less of legal
you have to It's a real legal process that you've
got to go through. It was done at about five
or six thousand dollars to the cost to make sure
that the person donating on my book bag on it.
Now it's been a while, but the legal process to

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make sure that the person donating you can't come and
claim that they bee the laces that were at the
stage and all that sort of it's quite complicated, right.

Speaker 18 (01:11:33):
I was.

Speaker 22 (01:11:34):
I didn't really like the idea, right, you're wrongly just
because we just said, come from who was it? What's
going on? And we were talking to the family about it,
and we're very lucky my wife's sister pops the one
and I don't know yet when we went on, are
you going to do it for us? So sure enough
we went back to the doctor and because it was

(01:11:56):
his sister, we didn't have to do any of the
legal stuff and it made the process so much simpler.
So long story short, we've now got a beautiful little
four year old. This is this is a more obviously
four years ago now, and it was just just because
I'd already had two boys. It wasn't wasn't everything for me,

(01:12:18):
but it was everything to my wife. You just couldn't
have children at all, you know. So we're just eternally
grateful to the scientist comes up with all these things.
That's quite an amazing process, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yeah, or congratulations, Bill, I'm so glad that that worked
out for you. But so so why is it that
if it's within the family, it's a sister, that that
that that all all that other complications don't come into it.

Speaker 19 (01:12:44):
As I still haven't got to the bottom of that now.

Speaker 22 (01:12:47):
I think it's because it's in the family and you
sort of just expect that you can work at it yourself.
I think it's just not some random random stranger that just.

Speaker 7 (01:12:55):
Turns up on your door set one day.

Speaker 22 (01:12:57):
I think that's the difference. The other thing, too, is
a little girl, because because my wife and who just
a look alike? Our little girl looks like my wife.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
It's just gonna what's that, Bill, Because that when your sister,
you know, said hey, I can help out here, which
is a wonderful thing for you guys. But that you know,
the idea that there'll be the genetics and the DNA
that that she shares with your wife is obviously a
big thing as well.

Speaker 22 (01:13:23):
Yeah, and it was and and for me, weirdly, and
that was the big thing with me, or that whole
genetics thing. And you know, I would I would have
done anything for my wife. I would have I would
have said yes, But in the back of my mind,
I still had that wed where did the genes come from?
And I don't know if that's right or wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
It just it was just there, you know.

Speaker 22 (01:13:41):
But yeah, just to have this little girl that looks
like my wife and has still got the genes of
the family. And then one day, when the time comes,
we'll tell her what happened and how she came her
ound very quickly. The last topicing thing was all sorts
of problems and the pregnancy and she was born at
twenty seven weeks at five hundred gramd.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Wow.

Speaker 22 (01:13:59):
So we we had another three or four months in
the hospital trying to you know, we still we thought
we were going to lose her again. But no, long
story shorts, everything's booked out. We've got a little four
year old at rules for house.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
That is beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Well, thank you so much for ringing and sharing that story. Yeah, boy,
it's a wonderful and complex world out there, isn't it
before it is? And you know, you know Dominique and
Bill their stories are so wholesome and incredible as opposed
to what started the story with the Chinese billionaire in
the States trying to buy one hundred babies.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Yeah, the wholesome stuff's nice, but oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? It is
nine minutes of three, beag very shortly.

Speaker 6 (01:14:40):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News talks'b News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
It is six two three, Hey boys, I'm tearing up
listening to this. My wife and I went through surrogacy
fifteen years ago, says this text. Are ten years of
heartache before everything fell into place through the incredible offer
from our surrogate. Our boy is a consonant reminder to
us how lucky we are really is incredible. Shout out
Stace Rich and family and the stick says, wow, this

(01:15:10):
beautiful story. Hey, lad's my wife and I started a
two year process from selecting a surrogate in the USA
and creating our embryos to birth of baby girl and
getting her home our DNA but still treated like an
adoption in New Zealand are archaic laws. It cost over
eleven thousand and k to complete the adoption of our
own baby. That it is so complicated, so you know,

(01:15:30):
it is completely biologically your child, but because it's been
you know, just stated in a surrogate mother there you
have it right, Yeah, you have to adopt it. So
but I mean you can see you can also see
why that is a law. It's just so incredibly complicated
it is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
And this is a nice text as well. Okay, guys,
my husband and I had several unsuccessful tries at IVF
before a wonderful friend offered to be a surrogate for us.
We started through the process of organizing this and decided
to do one final round of IVF. Amazingly, knowing that
we had a backup plan must have helped the IVF
a long because we now have a nineteen almost twenty

(01:16:10):
year old son. What a beautiful story.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Yeah, well, what a great hour of chat. That was incredible. Yeah,
Dominique and Bill's story. We're just amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, that has talk back at its best.
So thank you very much for those two, and thank
you to everyone who texts as well. Coming up after
three o'clock, this is a great story. DVDs and CDs
are becoming call again. So the trend apparently is driven
by gen z or Z. However, you want to say
that looking for the novelty of vintage media on just

(01:16:40):
as well as collectors and millennials itching to ditch their
pricey streaming services. That is, according to experts, old CDs
call again.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
This sounds like rubbish. Why would kids be into CDs
when they can have any song they want in the
entire world on streaming. But I know for fact this
isn't rubbish this story because my son's friends are buying
CDs teenagers, yes, and kids of my friends my age,

(01:17:10):
their kids, they're buying CDs for their kids.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
I'm loving this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
It's goody old, stinky old CDs are back.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love to
hear from you if your kids are doing the same.
They're getting off Spotify and they're actually getting into the
basement in the boxes and finding your old CDs. Love
to hear from you. I wait one hundred eighty ten
eighty and you yourself, if you've still got a massive
CD collection, what have you got going on? Have you
still got the old six discplayer in the back of
the boot?

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
I mean, it's not one hundred percent different from surrogacy?
Is it the way sort of CD goes? No, it is,
it's very different.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Oh, there was a good analogy, mate, Right, the news
is coming up to stay right here.

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Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
SEV very good afternoons. You're welcome back into the show
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Here's a text, Hey, does this show go up online
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and put that up as a separate podcast. If you
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That'll be up very soon, very soon at news talk
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Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
You get your podcasts. It's a good place to get
I don't know what you're talking about, Tyler. Yes, but
also a special rubbish just kidding you get it a
variety of places.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
It's got to be everywhere, but also a special treat
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It was so beautiful in a rainbow while I was
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up with is none other than Lehard.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Yeah, amazing guest and amazing man. So that's coming up
in about twenty five minutes, but right now, let's have
a chat about the story out of America. But it's
also in New Zealand as well. The trend of DVDs
and CDs are becoming call again. So this trend, according
to experts, is driven by some of the younger generations
gen Z. They are now looking they say, for the

(01:19:49):
novelty of vintage media on dis as well as collectors
and millennials itching to ditch their pricey streaming services. They
also want to exercise true ownership of their media and
better support the artists they love and looking at those numbers,
so CD sales up forty seven percent this year.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Yeah, at a place called discogs. But interesting to see
because Vinyl has long been at a reunion and I
was in it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
What's this?

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
I've got to remember the name of the record store
that I was in the other day on Simon Street.
Someone will know Simon Street record Store. And it was
packed southbound. Yeah, it was absolutely packed southbound records with
people on I think it was a Sunday, early afternoon

(01:20:37):
and there were just every bin had some wounded like
me flicking through it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Yeah, you know, I mean it is I mean Vinyl,
and I suppose it's something similar to what they're looking
for for CDs, that tangible product that you can take
out of the sleeve and put on the turntables and
sit down and have a nice glass of wine and
experience it that way. There was something about that ritual
for a lot of people, right, Yeah, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
For example, I you know, I could listen to a
Charlie Brown Christmas the nineteen sixty five TV Specials theme,
you know, on a number of streaming services, But just
last night I jumped on trade me and spend one
hundred and twenty bucks buying the vinyl version of it. Yeah,

(01:21:21):
so you know, there is something about it. There's something
that you get excited about a piece of music. There's
something about physically putting it on that that is that
is meaningful. But I just never thought CDs would come back. No,
CDs seem to be a stopgap medium. It's a digital recording.
You know, A record is analog, YEP, A CD is
a digital recording. It's just a sort of another way

(01:21:42):
of getting it getting across the medium, right. Yeah, So
it is interesting that's coming back. But I think you're right, Tyler.
It's the tangible nature. You like an artist and you
want to buy something from Everything on streaming is just
here and gone tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
So we're taking your calls on O eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty our CD's call again. Have you
still got a massive collection of CDs? Love to hear
from you. Nine two nine two. But right now.

Speaker 6 (01:22:08):
This is news Talk said, be breaking news.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Yeah, some breaking news. Former Deputy Police Commissioner Gevin Mcskimmen
has been sentenced to nine months home detention for possessing
objectionable material. Just repeating that. Former Deputy Police Commissioner Gevin
mcskimming has been sentenced to nine months home detention for
possessing objectional material. There'll be plenty more to come on

(01:22:32):
that as the afternoon progresses and progresses, and obviously with
Ryan Bridge, but we're going to take a quick break
and then back with your calls on CDs. It is
eleven past three.

Speaker 6 (01:22:42):
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Speaker 18 (01:22:47):
A.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
This is the record I bought last night.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
This is a goodbye man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
It's Charlie Brown Christmas of course, relaxing from nineteen sixty five.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Just sitting around the table having a beautiful Christmas lunch
or dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
But I could just stream it, you see, So what's
the logic and me spend one hundred and twenty bucks
on trade me to buy it on vinyl because it's
not the same. It's the ritual of it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
You can see it spinning on the turntable. It's just
that physical, tangible nature of it that makes it real,
whereas digital just feels it seems a little bit cheap sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Just my thoughts. So we're talking about the return of CDs.
Huge uptake up, up surge in CD sales. Yeah, possibly
from younger people. It seems they want something tangible, as
you say, although this Texas says I didn't know CDs
had gone away, Well, well, you see you didn't. This
is information. You don't even know they went away. Now

(01:23:38):
they're back. You know, the first piece of news is
irrelevant to you now?

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Yeah, exactly. If I still got your CDs, you're cool. Now,
You're very cool.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
I'm twenty and I use heaps of CDs, mostly because
bla car doesn't have bluetooth.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number. Get
a joy, Oh doll?

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
You good?

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Now you're a big CD fan? Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
Well?

Speaker 17 (01:24:02):
I've got teenage boys and last Christmas their favorite present
was the record.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Did you say? Do you say? Teenage boys?

Speaker 21 (01:24:12):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Right, Okay, and.

Speaker 17 (01:24:16):
You see the record players on the house, one on
each one on their rooms and one on the retro
lounge retrolouns wi Fi three. Yeah, so that's where we
play all the records and uh, you know, you know
the old sing get up and change the records. They've
come back obviously good. Is a surprise that the teenagers
are into it now?

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Yeah? And so so your kids both have record players
in their bedrooms, did you say yep?

Speaker 9 (01:24:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Wow? And I mean there is a saying about records.
What are people like about records? It's the inconvenience and
the expense. Are they listening to only records? Are they
also blasting streaming?

Speaker 17 (01:24:53):
Nah, they've gone off a lot of the streaming. I
mean they will do it, but I mean records is
the way to go it. Just like you say, before
the touch the field, the tangible side of it and
been able to show the screens. You know, hey, look
at this, you know, versus the digital side of it,
and there's nothing there is there.

Speaker 16 (01:25:09):
Got a character.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
I wonder if a part of it is you know,
they call it the paradox a choice when you've got
so many options that you just cannot decide what you
want to listen to that. When you've got your CD
collection or your record collection, you can see it all
there and you think, you know what, I do want
to hear the Red or Chili Peppers today, or maybe
a bit of Charlie Brown's Christmas. It just you don't
have a million or one hundred million different options to

(01:25:32):
go through, which just makes it a bit more real, right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:25:36):
And the thing is I should say to people if
they still got their DVD collections, because I've got some
really good movies from the last of twenty six years.
Though we all choose one to each chuck it on
the floor, right, and then who's going to choose? It's
someone who say to the dog, what do you watch it?

Speaker 21 (01:25:50):
When it goes?

Speaker 23 (01:25:51):
Is what we watch.

Speaker 19 (01:25:53):
There's no argument.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
I love that joy. You're running an old schoolhouse, yeah, household.
But I don't know about that about paradox choice, Yeah,
because with my record collection, I end up just on
my knees in front of the you know, the cabinet,
through for ages before I put something off.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
You do have close to a million options, don't ye Oh.
One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two nine two a year, still enjoying your CDs.
They are call again. According to gen Z, so I
love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
My boys twenty and twenty two are buying vinyl record albums.
Mister twenty two came back with Michael Jackson's Thriller and
Off the Wall. They already have more vinyl albums than
I did at their age. And I'm a genixer. I
just bought Thriller and Off the Wall on vinyl. Oh good,
off the Wall is some incredible record. Yeah, incredible production
on both those albums, So I totally get it. I
bought re issues of both those albums just in the

(01:26:43):
last couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
It's a beautiful thing. Right back, very shortly. It is
eighteen past three.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB is.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Twenty past three.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Welcome to show.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
You're into your physical media?

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Hey, team, here we go, very good. What do you got?

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Oh? Everything?

Speaker 24 (01:27:06):
Well, specifically, I think for me it's probably a genre thing.
Like people who like heavy metal, like metal heads and stuff,
very very loyal to their physical media, so like even
on like trade me and stuff, if you look at
the prices of physical media around CDs, cassettes, records, anything
and sort of metal seems to sort of hould its
value and go really really well for sales, whereas yeah,

(01:27:28):
like I had got my CDs from when I was
still a kid, still buy them, you know, double up
on LP tapes, CDs, all that sort of stuff as well.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
Yeah, love it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Great, I mean, Ryan, you can. You'd have to pull
my limited edition red vinyl version of Killer More out
of my cold dead hand.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:27:49):
Yeah, and you know what, that would get snapped up
straight away as soon as you put it up for
you know, you ever wanted to put it up the
sailor It'll be gone.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Now, interesting you mentioned cassettes because that was I was
in the cassette generation and my very first cassette was
X Nail on the Ombre by the Offspring and it's
long gone. And I'm so guarded that's long gone because
the you know, the the we pull out that you had,
it had all these jokes and sort of comedy elements
to it in very sort of off the wall humor
by the Offspring. But if anyone's got a copy of

(01:28:18):
that on cassette tape. Please let me know. I'll pay
good money for it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:28:22):
I was the same, my heaps of cassette as a
as a young fellow doing an apprenticeship, left them in
the work bands and stuff, and then started buying CDs.
And I don't need the cassettes anymore, and now, kicking myself,
watch I still have them all but you know, bottom
my CD still go through and eventually and buy some
if you can. And it's pretty good the more on
display on the racks and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
All right, so you're still running a CD tree beside
the TV in the stereo.

Speaker 24 (01:28:46):
Oh, it's more of a war, but yeah, yeah, I
got the records, the CDs and the tapes. Yeah, love
love the old physical media.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Yeah, and what about what about visually? Are you running
DVDs now?

Speaker 24 (01:29:01):
Not so much DVDs? Yeah, sort of keep the TV
out of the music room and just got to use
it for sitting down and having having a good listen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
And you're good on you, Ryan and all the best
with your physical media.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Yeah, what a good man. Fantastic If anyone's rocking vhises
as well, can you hear from you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Jonathan? CDs and vinyl guys, are they your thing?

Speaker 25 (01:29:19):
Ye, yes they are.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:29:21):
I was playing to Buy the record on the weekends.
Actually went very nicely. Unfortunately, my CD is broken. I
can't play my CDs, so what I end up doing
is just ripping them onto the computer and then putting
them on the phone or wherever. But I do have
quite an extensive collection of CDs, predominantly compilations. I've got
quite a comprehensive seventies and eighties compilations, and that's my

(01:29:41):
favorite CD to buy a compilation, So you're getting a
mix of different artists over the one CD. But the
thing I like about CDs is the tactile nature of them.
You can hold them in your hand, you can look
at them, you can hold them to an angle and
they kind of go rainbow on you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:30:00):
But and the thing that the thing I look for
most on the CD is the liner notes. That's the
little package inside the paper package that can sometimes and
you can find yourself reading quite a bit of material
on those liner notes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
You're good on you, Jonathan, Yeah, I mean lyric sheets
something to look at. It's more more more tangible. Yeah,
I mean I get it. This Texas is more landfall crap,
no CDs, no vinyls, holograms now, yes, please bring back
the VH inestegrated adult material. Help this new generation avoid

(01:30:36):
the pitfalls of the horrific online world might be something you, man,
I mean, good luck with that one. Yeah, yeah, So
it does seem like people are still they still love it, yep.
And I still love my vinyl. But I'm not willing
to go to DVDs again, you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Know, I reckon, No man, I miss DVDs.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Some people that are massive Blu Ray fans and such.
I just think having that the world of movies at
your fingertips on your TV is amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
What about those title screens though, where you get the
little behind the scenes, but some pieces you can get
the filmmaker talking over top of the movie if you
so choose. You know, that's harder to come across these days.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
What I do mass is cassette tapes and the bup
when you've you know, when the two sides don't match, Yeah,
so you have to wait, you have to fast forward
so you can start the other side.

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Oh, it brings back memories, right, great discussion. Thank you
very much to everyone who text and called on that one,
but coming up next, stand by because the man, the myth,
the legend, Leehart will be joining us. That is coming
up next. It is twenty five past three.

Speaker 6 (01:31:39):
You talk, sa'd be headlines with.

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Disgraced former Deputy Police Commissioner Jevin mc skimmings been sentenced
to nine months home detention for possessing objectionable material. He
pleaded guilty last month to representative charges. New Zealand's twelve
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ending early after six months. South Island food producer Allys
has lost its defamation case against TV and Z after
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The dos and dots of giving gifts to kids, according
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Herald Premium. Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 5 (01:32:59):
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Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
Well Lee Hart. He needs no introduction, but we'll give
him one anyway. He is this country's funniest and most
talented comedian, broadcaster and businessman. His business career continues to
saw with Snacker Changy Chips. He's launched the wildly popular
paid to talk show on podcast on Radio Hodaki, and
he's picked up the Radio Award for the best Sports

(01:33:35):
podcast for Sports Cafe Ish. It is a great pleasure
to welcome in as part of our Christmas catch ups
with kick Ass Kiwi's Lee Hart.

Speaker 9 (01:33:45):
You know that pleads to see you got the intro
emailed you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Yeah, yeah, thank you for that. Yeah, well saved us
a lot of hassle.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Well if we go to that winning the podcast for
Best Podcast. There was a tot of surprise for you.
You weren't there to win it. You didn't know you'd
be nominated, and you went up and received it. It
was all a bit of a surprise for me that one,
wasn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:34:06):
Yeah, that's why I was just singing out with mate,
you know, for radio shows and other podcasts, that kind
of thing. I was just sort of just snuck in
and I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
Even realize we were nominated.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Spurs and Rick.

Speaker 9 (01:34:17):
Certainly didn't jump me, and so I was there and
next thing I know, I had to get on stage
and probably make the worst speech I've ever made. But
in the end of the day, it was on X behalf,
So it didn't really matter.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
When you're there for a few free drinks and you're
getting the ward lely. I mean, you know that's a
nice bonus, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:34:32):
Yeah, exactly exactly. But I've been fair not to I'd
actually feel not to win award, to be honest, better
just go along, isn't it. You know?

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Yeah, I always thought about that. When I'm not known
for a war, I'm always sitting there going, oh, I
don't win, because then I have to do the speech.
How you're a man with that with a million ideas,
always got something on the boil, Lee, you know what,
what ventures have you fired up this year that people
might not know about this year?

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
It's funny, isn't that?

Speaker 9 (01:35:00):
Because I'm just kept looking at the calendar and the
date and I remember January last year or this time
the year before theen God next he is getting massive.
I'm going to do all these things I kept talking
about on radio shows that I go along and what's
happening next to you know, talk about I'm trying to
I should go back and see.

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
What I mentioned.

Speaker 9 (01:35:18):
But I don't think I've done any of it. I've
sort of been busy.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
I found like I've been busy.

Speaker 9 (01:35:25):
I always want to do a TV show every year
if I can, sort of a self indulgent kind of thing,
a travel show or getting around the place, and I've
found I didn't do it this year. So in many ways,
I feel like I'm not that I've let myself out.

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
Well, what does it discute anyway? For a start? Who
watches them?

Speaker 9 (01:35:42):
But I sort of feel that there's a gap there.
But I feel like I've been doing a lot of
filming and stuff. Anyways, I've been just as busy, but
it just feels a little lot more fragmented.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
Put it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
I feel like I was on something. Yeah, I feel
like I was on something that was kind of TV.
Like with you this year they paid to talk podcast.
You're filming that?

Speaker 9 (01:36:01):
Yeah, Well, I mean a lot of the podcast of
films nowadays, a lot of the radio shows of films.
So does that make a radio show that's filmed aodcast
and vice versa. And I mean when I was doing radio,
of course, a couple of years back, they started filming
stuff then, and I was always not uncomfortable that. I
was just thinking, well, at what point does this become
a TV show? If you know what I mean? And

(01:36:22):
the reason I say that, in my case, I perform
or act slightly different. When I'm doing radio. You sit
back and my and you it's a little bit more reactive.
I suppose with TV I'm a little bit more I
would taken trives, but yep, you're sort of sort of
more in control of it, I think, and I like
to think. I like to know what I'm doing a

(01:36:43):
bit more. And that's what I liked about radio. You
could relax. But also, look what I liked about TV
was you know, you're making something that you might revert
uspose in a few years time and watch again, whereas
a radio you know, can be as you guys know
it's that was that show last week and you know
it's of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's one of one of the worst things
that happened to radio was when they started filming. You
couldn't make up huge lies about where you were. You
couldn't pick you put on.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Yeah yeah, theater of the Mine.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
You know, it's a disaster.

Speaker 9 (01:37:17):
Well, podcast seems just sort of at the moment slip
between the middle of that, a bit of a no
man's land turkey for me.

Speaker 18 (01:37:25):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:37:25):
So I did the podcast Maybe You Talk this year
and I thought, well, we might as well film it.
As soon as we started doing that, I'm thinking, well
we might as well might as I do it at
the Eco Lodge and trying to add I don't know,
it's it's a funny one.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
I'm still going to understand it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
Oh, I love it, matey. How are the chips going?
You had a big goal of getting a snack of
chainey chipped to every KeyWe How did you go on
that journey.

Speaker 9 (01:37:51):
Yeah, I hope you wouldn't bring that up and put
it away. The the what you call it the promotion
was to be popular. I think it was a bit
bit ambitious trying to get one chip to every key
in the country, but I tried. I did about probably
less than one hundred, and then and then the community
to speak in New Zealand took over and which was
kind of the deep an was kind of the plan,

(01:38:12):
I think, and it was it's really good and as
I say, you know, thanks asking the chips going, are
going really good? We like to think, you know that
that was the idea of the campaign that you know,
once everybody chines one, you know, I'm buying large, most
people say, yeah, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
Pretty damn good, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
I mean that's the good chips.

Speaker 9 (01:38:30):
Yeah, that's pretty basic chips and ship but you know
you can have you know, we like to think they're
pretty good, you know, and it's yeah, why not.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
They're on the New Zealand flights now, which which I
was quite impressed by it because you know, we've been
friends for a long time, Lee Hart, and the whole
ship thing sort of surprised me because you know, you've
done a lot of stuff. And then the chips immediately
tried them. They were delicious, and I thought, well, he's
just a bit of a tie in. Here's a bit
of a novelty thing, Lise, He's doing a little thing.

(01:38:59):
And then it exploded into being one of the biggest
things you've ever done.

Speaker 9 (01:39:03):
Yeah, but it's a kind of a company of theirs.
I mean, it's like, you know, some will stick eventually,
you know, I don't all the TV for years and stuff.
And the reason I started beer brand first, and that
was to try to keep momentum going in between TV
shows or funding grounds.

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
You know what that's like.

Speaker 9 (01:39:22):
So I thought, you know, let's keep them momentum going
so you can have a product out there and you know,
doing some work to you, you know, where you're waiting
to make another show. And the beers took off, and
that sort of had the same attitude, et cetera of
a you know, sort of self deprecating kind of thing,
like a lot of the comedy A supposed we were doing.
And then when the beer it was going fine as well,

(01:39:44):
but you're kind of a need a new story the
whole time, So I thought, what the hell why don't
we get a snack to go along with with the beer.
You know, it's an obvious thing to do, and it'll
be fun, and I'm not thinking too much of it.
It was actually nuts that I was thinking up first.
So I approached Griffin's and they said, oh, yep, I'll
give a go, And next thing, you know, we're doing
chips instead of nuts. And then and there you go,

(01:40:07):
and it's sort of sort of taken off. So it's
kind of thirty years in the making, but it seems
very sudden, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Yeah, well, as a businessman, how do you feel the
country is going?

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:40:19):
As a businessman, Look, it's funny because I can only
I can only get engauged from you know, sort of
news stories of seeing people out there and my friends
and family and people you know that have got other
you know, legitimate.

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
Businesses and stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:40:36):
And rather people are really still struggling out there, and
some are saying it's getting better and some saying it's
taking long to recover. Then then it should have the
problem with the chip.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
Gag for example, you remember COVID, for.

Speaker 9 (01:40:48):
Example, when everybody was really struggling, ironically, chips was selling.
You know, I was selling great in markets because that's
all people were doing for eating chips and things. And
even in even in sort of a type of times,
you know, you know certain foods and stuff rightly wrong,
they still still get eating. Understand certainly not an economy

(01:41:09):
proof because you know, there's riding up and down with
the economy now, but I like to think it's without
I like to think it's getting better, but it's slower
than I thought. But you know, I can't complain that
on that front. I do look out there. I do
worry about some you know, all the restaurants, cafes, all
that sort of stuff closing down and stuff, and hope

(01:41:31):
there is you know, at the bottom at least, and
we're starting to come out of it. So you know,
I'm positive about next year.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
It feels like there is some optimism afoot, which is
a good thing.

Speaker 13 (01:41:39):
Lee.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
This isn't a similar vein, But what is exciting you
as we in twenty twenty five and going into next year?

Speaker 9 (01:41:45):
I could probably tell you sexually, but it doesn't seem
the time or place to be doing that, So instead
I would sort of talk about next year. I'm hoping
to get back into some sort of TV I suppose,
you know, seeing I didn't do anything this year. The
other thing that's kind of excited me is the fact
that my daughter, my owners, is off to university the
next year. So my excitement is kind of you know,

(01:42:05):
through her and away. My sons already down there, so
I'll be here, I'm a say, really around the house
like I'm sort of being an empty maester, so I'll
have no excuses not to get on and then maybe
do something for get met. I'm that's really excited about
her because you know she's going down and you know
you think back and you're going to still the old course.
But that's so excited that the whole idea of them.

(01:42:26):
So I'll be able to go down the ends with
her and him, and that's exciting me. So it's going
to be a big year either way, regardless of what
I do. It's going to be a big year, you know,
for my family in that sense. So that's exciting me.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Yeah, it's an interesting one when your kids go off
to university. And if you could visit my son down
in Totago as well well you're down there, that would
be great for me as well. But the annoying thing
about that is that they don't know how great the
situation is. They're unt necessarily And I was just saying
to my son yesterday, Oh my god, I was just
talking up his life to him so much this holiday.

(01:42:58):
You're on between years of university. You know, you're off
to a targe next year. You've got this, you've got that,
you're young, you've got the whole. And he's like, oh yeah,
broke there.

Speaker 9 (01:43:09):
Yeah, And they don't know. I mean, but we went.
The old kids the same, you know, you don't know
how like you are, you know in that sense. I
mean they've got these festivals he thing nowadays to go
to and all this sort of stuff, and it's all
built in their whole time after's built around that kind
of stuff. You know, Yeah, really have that luxturally?

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Oh is your life bugger? All responsibility. You can drink
as much as you want, you can do pretty much
what you want.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
You stay reasonably thin. Yeah, whatever you eat, whatever you do.
It's amazing that you just you just got swirling drama
around you for some for some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
We're loving this chat with you, mate. If you just
hold there for a couple of minutes, we're going to
come back with some punishing Christmas questions and then let
you go. So you just told their mate we'll come
back very shortly. We are talking to Lee Heart as
part of our Christmas catch ups with kick Ass Kiwi's.
You're listening to news talks. They're be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):

Speaker 6 (01:44:05):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
It'd be We are joined by the one and only
Lee Hard as part of our Christmas catch ups with
kick Ass Kiwi's. Lee, thanks very much for joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
When I came up with the name Christmas Ketchups with
kick Ass Kiwis, I felt quite proud about it, But
every time you say it now I feel a little
bit humiliated. What does the Christmas menu look like for you?

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Lee? Are the menu? That's a good point.

Speaker 9 (01:44:31):
It's going to be quite a quiet one.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
That's here.

Speaker 9 (01:44:32):
I'm hit to both church, so I think it's just
going to be me and my mum and dad. My
brother will stay up here and it's just one of
those years where it's that way, that way. I think
we've decided to go. Let's do this time We will
definitely have white bait in the morning on Christmas Day,
you know, late morning kind of thing. And I can
actually tell you it's something menu because my Mum asked me, what.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
Would you do?

Speaker 9 (01:44:54):
I think we're going to do a lamb roast. Nice
but rather than having a lamb and a ham and
a turkey, we think we're just going to go with
the lamb. Then I heard Dad and yelling their background
or maybe just a barbecue. Thank you change the last minute.
But it's going to be pretty low key, you know,
if week and stuff, that's what up and as far
as you know, I'll be surprised. It should be pretty basic,

(01:45:18):
pretty basic stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
That sounds like a great time. The beast and worst
things about the feast of seasonally.

Speaker 9 (01:45:24):
Well, worst things are probably doing these sort of puff
pieces on newspapers and radio and that about Christmas. No,
actually I like Christmas. I like the whole sort of thing.
And you know, and I lose track of days and
twenty seven to that before Christmas. That's why it's at Christmas,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
I like Christmas.

Speaker 9 (01:45:44):
I'm thinking back to the whole commercialism side of it,
as in the last few years has started to annoy
me a little bit. You know, you get washing, you know,
going shopping walls, and I don't actually shop for anyone
anymore now when i'm sort of somehow that sounds word
down and no one seems to shop for me, So
there's not so much of that going on. My kids, obviously,

(01:46:06):
I'll get them something, but I think that'll be just
the personal cash I think before they went went away. Anyway,
we'll see about that. But the worst things I remember
some of the worst gifts I got. So for example,
when I was a kid, there's different times, of course,
you know. I remember what I wanted was a brand
new Tensby bike. You know, like a lot of kids

(01:46:27):
when they were like eight or nine or ten were
trying to get kind of thing. And this year I
just got the combination lot for one, you know, you know,
the security, the lock, and that was that was under
the tree and I thought, wow, that's amazing. I mean,
the bike must be outside, and it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
It was just that.

Speaker 9 (01:46:43):
And all the other kids got a bike and stuff
now were hanging out of the I'll be hanging down
to the bike path with their bikes and I just
be standing there with the combination chain. You know, I'm
locking it, locking it, and I'm knocking it again. I
remember saying to Dad, you know, that's not fair, Dad,

(01:47:03):
and he goes, Life's not fair. So that was that
was That gift was a lesson more.

Speaker 4 (01:47:13):
Than when.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Love kids love a gift, that's a lesson.

Speaker 9 (01:47:19):
I don't know. I should maybe retract. My parents will
definitely be listening to this, so no, it could be.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
It gets through it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
It's hard to retract. It's out there, it's live now.
It's interesting you say that about commercialism because I watched
Charlie Brown Christmas from nineteen sixty five, You've watched on
Apple TV, and I've always loved the music to it.
I lostened that every year, the jazzy kind of Christmas stuff,
and the whole theme of that in ninety sixty five
was the rant commercialization of Christmas. It's the whole theme
of it. And I was thinking, you don't know what's coming.

(01:47:52):
You wait, Charles Seltz, you do not know what's coming.
If you don't, Christmas is commercials nineteen sixty five, you just.

Speaker 9 (01:47:58):
Want boxing days sales. That that is almost criminal, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Well, as a concept, yeah, yeah, well, it's just like
we're going to play you for your caring about Christmas
and then and then you know, if you don't care,
then we'll give you a deal of the day after Well, again,
we'll play you will clearly play your emotions.

Speaker 9 (01:48:18):
I mean, it's all right if you're trying to get
in like a TV for yourself or something or you
you know, but if your kids are waiting for Christmas
present and you say, look, I just wait a couple
of days to Christmas before you get the present, you know,
it just seems that sort of having a double dipping. Really,
they seed to be with the you know, the Boxing

(01:48:38):
Day sales and the whole and the whole Christmas free
Christmas prices.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
You know, the whole Christmas thing is let up with
the Black Friday sales as well. Now, Lee, we're pushing
the gratitude barrow hard on the show this year. So
this is a this is a cliched question for you.
What are you grateful for?

Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
Mate?

Speaker 9 (01:48:58):
Yeah, and it might be a cliche question, So I'll
give a cliche.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Answer and appreciate.

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
And you can quote me on this.

Speaker 9 (01:49:07):
It's got to be family. He really has been in
the last couple years, so it's a real interesting time
with them, you know, moving on are there and you know,
as we know, there's always some people in your life,
even this week that you know that have lost lost people,
you know, literally lost people.

Speaker 4 (01:49:26):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:49:27):
That puts everything in perspective, and it's just such a
you know, it really does. Also if you know on Thursday,
you know, and a relatively young person, you know, so
what and you know, we've lost a family member not
so long ago, you know, and that's going to make
this Christmas very very strange and hard and different for

(01:49:47):
a lot so many people this country, you know, just
so so many people. It would be a weird, weird
Christmas as it is every year. So while I can
be I'm just so thankful for what I got to
be honest with my family.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Yeah, beautifully, Sidley. And finally, Mate, what is your favorite
Christmas song?

Speaker 9 (01:50:04):
Yep, I've got a couple. I'm an old rocket roller
from from way back, because Matt knows like literally rock
and roll, like Chuck Berry kind of stuff, so it's
pretty fan classic. You know, Run Run Rudolph or Run
Rudolf Run. I think it's called a lot of people
have covered it. The food Fighters did a good cover
of it, I think, and I hate to say it.
You know, they're going back down the piece hair of

(01:50:24):
a cheese angle, you know, the old band, you know,
do they know it's Christmas band aid? I mean that
probably because of the erar. You know, that was my era.
I was fourteen or something and that came out, So
it's nostalgic. It's nostalgic as well as a Christmas song
for me, you know. I mean it's got the double meaning.
I just remember being bloody fourteen fifteen with the whole

(01:50:47):
overhead of me, and that still sounds you know, it
sounds fresh. So it's the sort of thing you know.
I'll play that for sure, and a bit of rock
and roll Run Rudolph Run.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
Fantastic. We're going to play that for you right now. Lee,
thank you very much, and have a fantastic Christmas in
summer as well, and we'll catch up next year.

Speaker 4 (01:51:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:51:05):
Likewise, you guys, have a good rue. Everyone stay safe
from between the lanes, from between the flares, between the range.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Yeah, good, great advice. Ye're fantastic, that is, of course, leeha.
One of our Christmas catch ups with kick Ass Kiwis
you're listening to news talks e b Begveryson, not of
other rings.

Speaker 23 (01:51:32):
You know you're the mastermind. Run run Rudolf, run off
and your bar behind, run run rude off.

Speaker 26 (01:51:45):
That gotta make it to town.

Speaker 27 (01:51:49):
Got to making Harry Clement he can take the freeway down,
run run the rude o. Come, I'm really knocking Merry
go round. They're kind of to a boy town. What
have you been long in, Carl? All I want for
Christmas is a rock and roll record guitar and then away,

(01:52:15):
where to Rudolph? Where's the mac a shooting star? Run
run Rudolf, Sanah, letn't make it in town.

Speaker 23 (01:52:27):
Santra, making Harry telling he can take the freeway down.
Run run rudeo.

Speaker 26 (01:52:35):
Really, Michael, Merry go round, run run rude Santa's how

(01:53:01):
to make it to count.

Speaker 23 (01:53:05):
Santra, making Harry telling he can take the freeway.

Speaker 27 (01:53:08):
Down, Run run Rudolf. I'm really like a Mary go round.
Get then at a girl town.

Speaker 23 (01:53:19):
What the please? You want to get a little baby
downd that can criest me drink and wet.

Speaker 27 (01:53:30):
And then a way way to Rudolph with and like
a favorite jet, run round the rude off. Sana gotta
make it to town Santra, making Harry coming. He can
take the freeway down, Run run, rude off. I'm really

(01:53:51):
micking Mary go around.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):

Speaker 6 (01:54:05):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, they'd.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
Be news talks. There'd be five to four are great
manly hearts.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
Yeah, that was a great chat. Thanks so much for
listening everyone. As always, we've loved our chats today. The
podcast will be up in about an hour, including a
special pot isolating our call with a fantastic lady called
Dominique talking about her surrogacy story. That was That was
a great chat.

Speaker 18 (01:54:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Up next the tall, handsome and smart triple threat known
as Ryan Bridge. But right now, Tyler, why would I
be playing this song?

Speaker 3 (01:54:38):
What a banger from Pink Floyd and other Brick in
the wall. It's because we had quite a good chats
about violence in schools. Whether it is worse now than
it was when we were in school. It was a
great chat and a great great song.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
That was an easy one, was it? It was an
easy one made vaguely fit, doesn't it? Did you know
The Wall is the highest selling double album of all time, right,
but only the second highest selling Pink Floyd album of
all time. Absolute banger, all right you seeing Busy said,
we'll let you go mere Christmas and it all tomorrow.
I give him a taste of Kiwi from Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 9 (01:55:12):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
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