Full Show Podcast: 17 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great New Zealands, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number two O seven. We got
to the topic we didn't get to yesterday, which was
as gen X the quiet forgotten generation that's actually roaring in,
actually ruling the world. And I love that chat.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Great chat. We had a lot of boomers coming in
to defend their generation, a lot of Gen x's. I
don't think we had one millennial that actually stepped up
and said millennials are all right.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah. No, there was a lot of love for millennials
out there, even the generation below men, millennials, the younger guys.
We're having a shot at millennials. I think it's going
to be interesting because even you know, I think my
kids are not where they are they Generation Alpha? Is
that what it is now?

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Because they're after Z if you're sixteen and eighteen, I
believe it is yet. Yeah, but even they make jokes
about millennials Harry Potter loving That's about it. All millennials
have is Harry Potter.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
We just don't deserve all this hatred. Hey, there's a
note to you. I take So Deja Voodu was a
band for the millennials.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, that's true. I think probably a lot of our
fans for millennials, even if we might have been gen
X's anyway. Yeah, Tyler, you've got some edmund.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
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Speaker 3 (01:43):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Wednesday show. Hope
you are having a good week so far and great
to have your company as always. Good a Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Hey, so Tyler and you great New Zealands are listening
to this show. I've talked before about the concept of
raw dogging a run.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yep, a great name, but.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
You don't take your headphone. So I was running to David.
One of the interesting things that happens when you go
for a run and a walk with with no entertainment
is your your thoughts start spinning around, and sometimes their
positive thoughts, and sometimes you can get annoyed. And on
my run today, I was thinking about what we were
talking about yesterday and that that article which basically said

(02:20):
that New Zealand's broken and you're stupid to stay yes,
And I couldn't get it out of my head, and
I was trying to work out why it annoyed me
so much, that article, and then it struck me that
it's just such a selfish way to view the world.
Shouldn't we celebrate the people who want to work hard
and give back to their country that gave them the
opportunities that they have, educated them, the roads they have

(02:41):
used that were paid for by taxes, all the infrastructure
that this whole country has provided for you. You know,
so going away for economic reasons, you know, maybe going
to Australia is fine, but it shouldn't be celebrated that
the people that work hard for their community and make
the country a better place. You know, start businesses, hire people,

(03:02):
work in the community. They should be celebrated. You know,
go overseas, sure, that's right. I'm not going to judge
you for your for your personal betterment, but you're doing
that for you for yourself. You know, it's great go overseas,
but make sure. I don't know, maybe you should have

(03:22):
in your mind that you're going to go over there
and bring something back here, you know, and pay your
country back for what it has done, you know. So
the glee in that article, like you should get revenge
on your country for it not being up to your standard.
That I just couldn't get that out of my head
when I was on this run.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I like this raw dogging version of you, mate, this
is good, But you're right. It is a weak attitude,
isn't it That this country I know has given me
a hell of a lot. And I'd never contemplate thinking,
buggy you Newsland, I'm going to go elsewhere. You just wouldn't.
Not one part of me would.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Think that, sure, go into the world and do things
that that's fine, We've all done that kind of thing.
But the idea that you should be celebrated for it
and that your country has let you down. The fact
that you can go over season achieved is because of
what you've been given in this country. Before you go
over there, and the best of us go over and

(04:15):
make a lot of Monday money, plunder the rest of
the world and bring it back here for ideas and
capitalble hopefully and give give something back, but just the
idea that that that New Zealand is broken and you
are an amazing person because you give it the bird
and run away. Yea, No, it's in some ways it's

(04:36):
a failing. You've failed your country. Love it you have
and those that stick it out and make the place better.
And when you say sticking it out, oh my god,
it's a pretty good place to be stick it out.
I mean, it's hardly torture being here, like some people
would lead us to lead us to believe. It's actually
an incredible privilege to be in this country. And if

(04:58):
you and if you are lucky enough to be capable
to do something for your community and make the place
a better place, than oh my goodness, you've cracked the
code in life. So anyway, that was running through my head,
so I thought I just unleash it on you poor listeners.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Nicely said mate, I mean, we've got to name this
fizz up Wednesday, because I'm feling first now this is
going to be a regular thing. But right on to
today's show, nicely said by the way, mate, on to
today's show. After three o'clock, gen X, we were going
to do this yesterday. We had so many texts and
people trying to get through on this, but because we
had another couple of very popular topics, we didn't get
to it. But gen X a story about that generation

(05:32):
being overlooked, caught between the boomers and the millennials, but
a lot of those and Gen X, and you're included
in that. Matt, you say you're the unsung heroes.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, I was, Annoyd. We didn't get to this
to say because the too many calls and texts, but
we're going to get it to today no matter what. Right, Okay,
we are the quiet generation. The Generation X, well, the
boomers and the millennials are yelling and screaming at each
other about property and various cultural wars. We're the TUF
scan generation that's just getting on with ruling the world.

(06:02):
In the background. Here, best movies, best music, best people.
Gen X, that's gettingto it.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Shots fired that is the chat Amy wrong ninety left there.
That is after three o'clock, after two o'clock, that's going
to be a good chat. A New Zealand's aviation sector
is facing a bit of a crisis at the moment,
with a shortage of pilots and it does threaten the
future of regional airlines and national connectivity. There was a
big conference that has just happened and the government, as
part or at that conference, announced a new Aviation Action

(06:30):
Action Plan and a huge part of this is exploring
how changes to pilot training, those student loan caps and
workforce support could help tackle some of those skill crisises.
So we want to hear from you if you have
gone through pilot training.

Speaker 7 (06:43):
What was it like?

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Is it a good job being a pilot? Because I've
talked a lot of pilots. It's quite hard. There's a
lot of it. There's a lot of responsibility. You know,
you have literally have people's lives in your hands. And
it's not just pilots, it's air traffic controllers, there's the engineers.
It's a high risk, high reward industry. I imagine what's
the training like? Is it worth going one hundred k
into debt to become a pilot? As I said to

(07:09):
you before, Taylor Tyler, you'd think I know your name
by now. I just love the idea of flying and
pilots and it's called John. I think the whole industry
is awesome. So I just want to talk to people involved.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yep, that is going to be a good chat after
to aclop it. Right now, let's have a chat about
these new trailers, speed camera trailers that have been rolled
out around the country from today. So as we know,
NZTA is now in full control of the speed camera
network and these new trailers you may have seen pictures
of them. They're very inconspicuous. They are going to be
joined by those SUVs that were in Oound some time ago,

(07:41):
those red fours, So they're going to be operating twenty
four seven and high risk crash zones and without signage.
So just a bit about the tech involved. These units
have a three hundred meter range that is quite a
significant range detect vehicles in both directions and as I say,
top of the line. When it comes to that tech.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Should drivers be warned? Really that's the question. Or do
you support the stealth, the stealth pinging the little trailer
that's pinging you and you've got no idea where it
is and when it's going to come up, and you're
going to get attack it as the safety or revenue collecting.
I mean, these are always the questions you ask when
they have this new technology, and they wheel out, literally
when it comes to trailers, wheel out new ways of

(08:20):
pinging you and like, I want to talk about this
this hour as well. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
It's also kind of a selfish reason why we're doing
this topic. I want to crowdsource good advice to give
my kids about driving on the open road and staying safe,
because I've got to say that my thoughts on the
open roadvent have changed dramatically since I've got kids that

(08:41):
are going to be driving between cities, I bet, and
I've just been searching for the words for them. And
I've been a big advocate now after being different in
my life, I'm now a huge advocate for the cruise
control train just getting behind someone locking and at one
hundred and sticking behind them. There's a lot to be

(09:02):
said for everyone. And you see it now, you know cars,
because everyone's on courage control just moving almost ford botically
down down the road, you know.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
So it's like a Chinese military march. Sometimes it's very efficient.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Safe.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
So as a parent, if you've had your kids out
on the road, what have you said to them? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
But also should drivers be warned there's a lot a
lot of isshoes here out of the road.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
There is a lot of one pack oh eight, one
hundred eighty ten to eighty. What do you think about
these inconspicuous trailers? They've been rolled out as we speak,
and there's going to be a lot of them. Is
that underhanded? And what advice would you give to your
kids or have you given to your kids for driving
safe on the open roads? Love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, I mean I've opened a Pandora's box with my
other little running rent that I've made before. Yeah, a
lot of people coming through on that one as well. Yeah,
we'll talk about anything.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, absolutely, nine two is the text number. It's quarter
a pass one.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
They'd be seventeen past three, so hidden speed cameras. They
are being rolled out as we speak. They new trailers
that have very inconspicuous Is that fair cop or is
it about underhanded? And a follow up question, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
What advice have you given your kids? Is that the
follow up question?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
You're talking about?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
What advice have you given your kids so they stay
safe on the open road. Lance is my seventeen year
old daughter travels three hours to see her boyfriend. I've
told her that every other driver on the road is
trying to kill her. That's how you have to think
when driving from Lance. Yeah, I mean, you don't know
if the person's coming at you on the other side
of the road is asleep. That's that's a real possibility

(10:41):
that the person that's coming at you at one hundred
kilometers an hour on the other side of the road,
just separated by paint, is vast sleep.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, yeah, very true. That is great advice. One hundred
and eighty ten eighties number to.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Call Sonya you've got some tips for kids on the
open road.

Speaker 8 (10:56):
Oh hi, guys. It's probably my greatest fear. Actually, I
volunteer and train a lot of young people how to
drive and the open Yeah, I'll thank you, but I
just want everyone to be safe. The open road piece
is a bit that scares me the most because they
have such confidence in the city and then they go

(11:17):
out on the open road and it's totally new territory.
You know, things happen so much faster. The faster you
go the slower your reaction times. So just a couple
of tips that I use that seem to get through
to young people. The first one is always follow behind
someone else if you can, so don't be the first

(11:37):
guy in the queue. If something's going to happen, it
helps your reaction times, So always follow in behind someone
as long as they're doing the speed limit. The second
one is, pretend you're driving a really expensive supercar. You
know whatever cars your dream car. Pretend that's what you're driving,
and you don't want any bugger to hit you, right,

(11:59):
it's your precious car. The third one is, as I said,
as you drive faster, the faster you drive, the slower
your reaction times are. So it's a lot different than
being in the city. The fourth one is assume everyone
else is a toss us. So everyone else is out
to get you at the game, right, So everyone else

(12:20):
is an incompetent driver, and you're the only one on
the road that is, you know, play up to their ego.
You're the only one that's the best driver on the road.
So your job is to avoid everyone. You've got to
be hyper aware of what's happening three sixty around the
caratal times. And the last one is don't be a
dick like I think you know they at that age,

(12:41):
they all want to be a noor You see it.
You know, they get in the car and suddenly they
adrenaline hits and they put their foot down.

Speaker 9 (12:48):
To show off.

Speaker 8 (12:49):
Just don't be a dick'll and that'll save most of
the issues that they have. They can control what happens
with them, they can't control what happens on the road,
So it's just about motivating them to be hyper aware
at all times.

Speaker 10 (13:05):
It's exhausting for them.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Sonya, do you think people have a better attitude when
they're younger to driving than they used to, Because when
I was driving, I mean I was absolutely terrible. I
thought that my job was just to get ahead of
the person in front of me. I used to treat
going between cities as a race, and I can't believe
I look back on that with so much shame. Where
do I get that and the risks I take? And
I'm just so glad I didn't injure anyone out there,

(13:29):
because you know that, I think somehow I got that.
Someone must have taught me that, or was that just
because I was an idiot young man, and I just
was full of testosone. I don't know what it was,
but I always thought I had to be the head
of the person in front of me.

Speaker 8 (13:43):
Father are faster these days, I think that's what's more frightening. Yes,
they're safer, but they are faster. And the other thing
is is we all used to drive duggers, right, Your
first car was an absolute dunger, and so you could
only go so fast. I mean, it's speed that kills
at the end of the day, right, And and you
know we all used to It was a game, wasn't it,

(14:05):
to get from you know, Auckland to what ever, you know,
as quickly as you could.

Speaker 11 (14:10):
But I think that.

Speaker 8 (14:12):
Cars these days, they are a lot faster. Like doing
one hundred k. You don't realize you're doing one hundred k.
It feels so comfortable. It feels like you're doing fifty
K than my first car, which was a Triumpherald. Right,
you do one hundred k and a Triumpherald, you know
you're doing one hundred k. But some of these, so

(14:32):
I'm with you. Cruse control is a fantastic thing. And
kids these days I think they are were responsible. They're
used to One of the big things about new cars
is they can be really distracting. There's a lot of
buttons to push, there's a lot of information, there's heads
up display. I mean, we used to just getting the
car and drive for May to B and it wasn't

(14:53):
that complicated. So you know, they are used to more
tech than we are, but it can be quite distracting.
So I wouldn't let a kid drive on open road
until they had a lot of natural confidence around safety.
Just being able to drive isn't the answer. It's being

(15:14):
able to drive defensively is the answer, and to be
able to have great reaction time.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
It's interesting, sonya, because I'm thinking about maybe going the
other way, giving my kid my car with the adaptive
cruise control and all the bells and whistles and credical
amount of safety stuff in that car, and maybe I'll
get the Maybe I'll buy myself a Triumph Hera loving cars,
So if the money, the money is going to be
spent on a car, I'd rather it was my son

(15:42):
driving around in the super safe mobile.

Speaker 8 (15:45):
Yeah no, no, I'm talking about tech, you know, tech
for the sacred tech. I'm not talking about safety text.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm bringing up another hissory, but yeah,
thank you for your call. Sonya. Absolutely, cars have a
lot of distractions and them and that's a whole other
issue as well. Yeah, before we even get into the
distraction in their pocket, that's got to stay there.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of tech in those cars now.
It hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
What advice do you give to your kids when driving
on the open road? So many texts comes through on
nine to nine two, But love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
We're muddling two things up as well, because we're talking
about these new speed cameras on trailers that are being
wheeled out by NZTA. This texta says just revenue gathering.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, all right, can you hear your views on that
as well. It is twenty four past one, putting the.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
It's a big aviation action plan. James Mega is the
Associate Minister of Transport. Is this a fix a revolution
or a bit of a.

Speaker 12 (16:40):
Prot It'll fix some issues, but it also a little
bit future looking about advanced aviation.

Speaker 6 (16:45):
How do we get for the use out of drone.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
What's the hole up with pilots that people don't want
to be a pilot? Is it too expensive? What's going
on again?

Speaker 6 (16:51):
A mix of both.

Speaker 12 (16:52):
It is quite expensive to be a pilot, about one
hundred thousand dollars to train. It takes slightly longer to
train here in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Somebody told me there's a loan cap on training to
be a pilot. Is that true?

Speaker 12 (17:00):
Yeah, there is some statistics that showed that it took
quite a while for those loans to be paid back
and the industry has called for that to be looked
at and that is part of the action.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
IM back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast
with a Vita News Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Twenty seven past one. So we started the conversation about
these new inconspicuous speed cameras, but a lot of people
also want to have a chat about advice that you
give to your children driving in the open road.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Jim says, they call them safety cameras, but there's nothing
safe about everyone slamming their brakes on at a given point. James,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
Yeah, Hey, yeah, I totally reckon.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
It's revenue gathering, because it was about public safety. They'd
sort of make them bright orange so everyone could see
and they would essentially slow down, and they could put them.
They could put them everywhere, so as if the whole
of the roads monitored and that would actually get people
to drop their speed.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
I tend to agree with that, James. I mean because
they say in this article that it's about reducing the
crashes and reducing speed in these high risk areas. So
if you want localized speed reduction, then sign postings the
way to go. But I will say, having a look
at the international research and in New Zealand, it does
seem to be that heading cameras in general, if you
want an overall reduction in speed, tends to be a

(18:18):
better option.

Speaker 13 (18:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's interesting because in this in this article it says
evidence suggests unsigned mobile cameras are more effective at reducing crashes,
but they don't actually give you the that report.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, but how can they have the statistics on that
when the cameras move from different places?

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Very good question, Yeah, very good question.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I want to work. And entirely depends where you choose
to put those cameras, doesn't it, Because are our places
as you say, James, that are purely revenue gathering in
their place.

Speaker 7 (18:49):
On my home on my home drive.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
You know, it's a it's a notorious road where people
crash and it used to be one hundred k area
and people would die all the time on that straight.
When I see people speeding, I just flick my lights
as if there's a cop on that road, and then
you see them slam on the brake so that I've
got my partner, you know, other family members that drive
on that road. If it was about keeping the road safe,

(19:13):
they'd put a conspicuous camera there, one that stood out really.
It would really actually make people slow down versus people
only slowing down for the possibly like you know, a
secret camera. You know, people don't. People don't know that
there's a secret camera there to slow down, and if

(19:35):
their intention is to speed anyway, then they're just going
to speed.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
I've never heard of that idea that you would be
flicking your camera just to slow people down. It's an
interesting one.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
It's crafty.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
I do it on my on my home straight, just
particularly around my road because I mean my partner historically
is written off three cars, and you know, I would
like to make things safer in my local area. And literally,
in the twenty years that I've lived in that same road,

(20:07):
within five hundred meters either way, there's probably been about
ten fatal pressures.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Wow, that's horrible. Your partner three written off three cars?
How's she going? Was all her fault to them?

Speaker 4 (20:21):
So she's Canadian. One one was she reversed into a pole,
one with black ice, and then the other one she
just didn't look and pulled off into an intersection.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Right off your car reversing into a pole. She must
have been reversing it a face.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
It was a fair rate or not? Yeah, And she
had actually her parents had actually already sold that car
and she was just going down to the shops and yeah,
just slammed it straight back into a post and a
car park.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
That is gutting. And how's your confidence levels now? She
thinks it's all behind it now.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
To be honest with you, I'd probably say a little
bit too confident.

Speaker 14 (21:05):
So with her track, my good.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, I'll tell her. Partner loves is when you give
them a driving instructions when you're in the passenger seat.

Speaker 15 (21:12):
Yeah that she absolutely loves it.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, Yeah, for real bonding experience that one.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah, big hugs at the end of the drive.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Thanks for your call, James, Yeah, what a good man.
Nine two nine two is the text number. The sixer says, Yo, lads,
why isn't open driving part of the driving test? Good
advice is to keep a good distance beneath car in
front and don't break on the corners. Only a full
breaks the three second rule. But that is a great question.
I don't know whether they do that in some areas,

(21:41):
whether they take you on the open road. I never
went on the open rope when I was doing my
driver's test.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
No, my son just said a driver's test and they
were just mucking around in suburban Auckland.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, get them one hundred.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
And it does seem if your if your license means
that you can go out on the open row, then
you should be able to show that you can drive
on the open roy.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yes, most dangerous area. Oh, eight hundred and eighty. Ten
eighty is the number to call. So we are talking
about these new inconspicuous hidden cameras and also driving advice
that you've given to you children before they go on
the open road. It is twenty eight to two back.

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Speaker 3 (23:33):
Thank you very much, Adam, and we are talking about
these new covert although some people are disagreeing with the
word covert, but they are in conspicuous speed cameras that
have been rolled out from today effectively high tech trailers,
but also asking the question advice that you give to
your kids before they hit the open road.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, and look the stakes are so high out on
the road. I mean, this is a tragic text here
that's come through. I lost my eldest son in a
car crash. He was the passenger. My next two children
have learnt a life lesson that there is always consequences
to your actions or the decisions that you make. So
children are very My children are very road safe. Thank
you for your text and really sorry for your loss.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, that is that is heartbreaking. David. How are you mate?

Speaker 12 (24:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (24:13):
Good, Yeah, there's those bead camera trailers.

Speaker 13 (24:17):
They've actually been out for the last month, so one
one's been sitting in between Happy Career and Jackney like
twenty four seven and then I've seen it on the
southeastern near Matthew Road twenty four to seven, so you
know they sit there all night on the motorway. But

(24:37):
is that is that just gathering where there or is it,
you know, an excellent spot.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, it's a fair question. More they say it's in
high risk areas. But what's your take on, David, do
you think that is revenue gathering? I didn't realize that
rolled up out some now, but they're going to be
putting them around the countrys of today. So do you
think that is that is fear cop or do you
think that's a bit underhanded?

Speaker 16 (24:59):
Well, I think it's a bit underhanded. You know, it's
sitting on a motorway where there's a median barrier. You
know you're not going to have to hit it on crash,
and then it's there twenty four hours a day, so
you know if you go past, you know grounded the
speed limits one hundred k but you know you can't
have a head on crash, and how can it be
a high risk area?

Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's a good question to ask, David. Do you generally
stick to the speed limit or you ease a little
over there.

Speaker 16 (25:27):
I have to stick to the speed limit.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, I mean I think more and more people do
stick to the speed limit. I mean you don't, or
I mean, what do you think out there, David? I
think more. I think most people are slowing down. Yeah,
a little bit compared to what it was like in
the early two thousands.

Speaker 17 (25:44):
Jeez oh, yeah, I think most people do stick to
the speed limit. And you know, I guess most of
the time during on the motorways, you know you're not
really speeding because there's too much traffic that I guess.
My point is that if it's sitting there at three
o'clock in the morning and there's no cars on the roads,
then what is it doing.

Speaker 18 (26:05):
It's just gathering.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I have said that they're going to put them in
these areas based on statistics and data, so we'll have
to keep an eye on that because if they're not
doing that, then they'll lose the public's trust. Thank you
for your call, David.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
I mean the motorway is interesting. I've got to say,
maybe I'm a numpty year, but I do get a
little bit confused on the Auckland motor Bays about where
it's eighty and where it's one hundred, because it's not signposted,
so you start off in an eighty area and then
at some point it transitions into one hundred, but there's
no actual signage to say I'm in one hundred now,
and then it drops back down to eighty in some

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parts of the motorway. So when I come out and
drive down the southern heading towards Mount Wellington from the city,
when I come out at Spaghetti Junction, it starts at
eighty and then at some point along the motorway it
goes from eighty to a hundy, and I don't actually
know where that starts. So if this old trailer is
sitting there and I've unknowingly hit a Hundi when I
should be going eighty, they're going to sting me in

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twenty k over the limit. That's a big fine.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah. Can I just say I don't support thirty K
speed limits within city borders when I'm saying I do
so sticking to the speed limit, Yeah, I do not
support sticking to that thirty K speed limit. That is
an absolute joke.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Anyway, we need to get those running on our trailers,
I think, just so people know, right, Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call got
to play some messages. But boy, oh boy, have we
got some feisty texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
The trailer at Takanini has only been there for evaluation. Cheers,
So I don't think that one's been hanging people just yet.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah right, it is twenty to two. Back in a mow.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons used.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Talk said, be we a good afternoon. It is seventeen
to two, so we are talking about these inconspicuous speed
camera trailers that have been rolled out as of today.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Grant says, as an ex cop, I can tell you
that driving to speed limit can more often than not
be too fast if it's wet and or night time,
which increases the chance of a serious crash. I've driven
in Australia, Europe, the UK and in the US. Compared
to drivers in those countries, they may Kiwi drivers look
like dangerous fools. We need to have the initial driving

(28:12):
test system like the European countries. You get a province
provisional license and six months later you have to go
for a practical drive test before you get a full license.
We are going to die at some point, however, let's
not hurry things along.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
It's a good last line.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, we are all going to die at some point. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Deep and also advice.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
But you know you want to stick around as long
as you can.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah, I think. Thank you very much for that text.
Nine two nine two is that number? Get a tash.

Speaker 19 (28:41):
Hi Tyler? How are you?

Speaker 20 (28:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Ah?

Speaker 19 (28:46):
I was just calling to give Tyler hard time about
his comment about driving through Spaghetti junction and not knowing
when that turns eighty?

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yep?

Speaker 19 (28:55):
Do you honestly not know when it turns eighty?

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Nope? No, I don't know when it too.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Is a HUNDI.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
So I know the eighty the eighties out of Spaghetti Junction,
and then when I'm on the Southern Motorway heading towards
Mount Wellington, I got no idea where I can crank
it to Andy.

Speaker 15 (29:08):
Okay.

Speaker 19 (29:09):
So when you go to the Spaghetti Junction, you can
turn left off into new Market and then you've got
another turn off. It takes you out to renew Era
and just as you pass it tune off. There's a
big sign that says one hundred right there. No, No,
I'm a rip I'm on the every day.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Knowing how you assume that you are and sure that
you are around just basic things here in the studio,
I'm gonna go with cash on this one. And also
there everything is so well sewned posted in this country.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
When I started saying this, Tach the look Met gave
me just from across there. I mean, he was just
so confused with my statement. He didn't know what to say.

Speaker 21 (29:54):
We've got.

Speaker 19 (29:59):
Time, do you have to I do have to say
I disagree with Dave about the Regine gathering. I used
to live in South Aukland and they take and then
they strup where they've got the speed camera. There are
some nut bars out there during the day and at night,
so I fully agree that it should be there. And
I'm out in we Stalkland now I live in with
Stokland and when they've got to speak camera now fully

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need to hear it. I've had guys go past me
clicking out one sixty nearly two hundred and I'm in
the fast lad and that's just an accident waiting to happen.
So even if it is readen you gathering, and it
means it's been put back into the cups and whatever
they can do to help traffic, then I'm all for it.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I think if you cool tush anytime you want to
ring up and give Tyler a serve, I will answer
your calls. Gary, you're a truckie, so you'd see a
lot out on the roads.

Speaker 7 (30:51):
Yeah, but firstly, toiler needs glasses because, yeah, I don't
go through there as much as what goes through there. Yeah,
even I can see thee hundred signs. Cuky, is there.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
An official out there that can just cancel Tyler's driver's
license on just on the back of that.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
They have to find me. So as soon as I
get out of the studio I'm going into hiding for
a little bit until this blows over.

Speaker 20 (31:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
Yeah, addrists your first subject. The Yeah, serious about reducing
the speed put on point to point cameras. Don't bother
with the cameras on the side of the road. Speed
cameras put on point to point.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (31:38):
Yeah, and so it makes everybody a lot more conscious.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, get some eco situation going on there, gears, But yes,
three b oh, gotcha, gotcha. So the old headden cameras
you reckon that is just pure revenue gather and if
you want to slow people down, you've got to tell
them where the cameras are.

Speaker 7 (31:59):
No, what I'm saying is point to point, so it's
measured and averaged. So it doesn't mean that matter when
you speed in that section. If you speed accessfully, you're
going to get pinged.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Do we have any of that in New Zealand, because
they've got that, we do.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
We do have that?

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Right whereabouts have we got that?

Speaker 7 (32:21):
I'm not too sure, but I'm pretty certain if it's
not already set up as coming.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
It's an interesting one because you know, as a lot
of people are texting through, if you don't speed, then
you're not going to get a ticket. And I mean
there's some truth in truth in that absolutely. And the
point to point situation is, you know, stops people just
slamming on their brakes when they see any kind of
trailer parked on the side of the road.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (32:47):
Now to address your second subject, one of the most
valuable tips you can give a young fellow just learning
how to drive as to skin five hundred meters in
front of them, not lockdown by his feet.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yes, right, because.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
You know, if you know, like with maybe in a
truck driver, I'm constantly skinning way up the road, so
I'm my ware of I see any movement happening up
the road. It's not going to be a sudden shock.
Oh what's that? And I see too many people still

(33:26):
drive and just looking at the road right in front
of the car.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
So do you think there might be a problem. Do
you think there might be a problem? Gary with adaptive
cruise control that I've been talking up the merits of,
because that that is lot. You kind of get into
a situation where you're just in a cruise control train,
you're locked in the car behind you, and you're maybe
not looking at potential things further down the track.

Speaker 7 (33:49):
No, because I use adaptive cruise control on the scar
and all the time wherever I can switch it on,
I switched it on, and I'll tell you what, driving
and fog it's the best thing.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, there's lots of people texting and saying adaptive true
control makes you a terrible driver, but I don't get that.

Speaker 20 (34:10):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
That's what you need because just cruise control means you've
still got to be monitoring and you just can't leave
it on. You've still got to you know, you can
lock in.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
That three second rule. Gary, with the depth of cruise control.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
Yeah, but the depth of cruise control, that's one least
thing I've got to worry about, so I don't have
to worry about my speed. I can concentrate on other things,
like scanting what's going on up ahead of me. It's
like you say, been on the road train you can
see car brakes coming on, five sixteen cars up in

(34:43):
front of you.

Speaker 10 (34:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (34:44):
Yeah, one hundred cars up in front of you.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Hey, I mean that sounds like great advice. Thank you
for that.

Speaker 22 (34:50):
Gary.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
As a truck driver, this is just a question I'm
wondering about because you know it takes longer, you've got
more masks. Do you run the three second rule in
a truck or is it?

Speaker 17 (34:57):
Is it?

Speaker 15 (34:58):
Do you do?

Speaker 2 (34:58):
You go but further back.

Speaker 7 (35:03):
Spending on the road connections. That depends on everything like
the and I've got my adept of cruise control. I'm
on following behind another truck control you know, probably sitting
no good a meters back from them. He gives those
that want to overtake a safe room to jump in
between us, and you just meet plenty of time to

(35:24):
react if something goes wrong.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
I think if you call Gary good to know that
there's people out on the roads like Gary, Yeah, absolutely,
who driver in a safe and respectful manner?

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, good on you. Gary. Now forgive me for not
believing what Tash was saying. But I've just been on
Google Maps and going down the Southern Motorway and i
can't see a HUNDI sign. I'm at Market Road and
there's no HOUNDI signed where it is you're.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Calling Tasha Lie? Well, my friend tashall lie all.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Right, Well Google Google Maps will prove her wrong.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
So well, you know, what are you going to believe?
The Silicon Valley billionaires, a great New Zealand that rang into.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
A cointos right? Oh one hundred eighty? Did eighty? Is
the numb to call?

Speaker 20 (36:02):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Actually, well, we're talking about trailers on the side of
the road. I've got a confession that I want to
make coming up around something terrible I did to a
Si Barnett's trailer many years ago in christ. This is
going to be good. I committed a terrible crime and
I'm going to come I'm plain about that.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
I've hit the stories nine to two.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Mad Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty. It's mad Heathen Tylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 6 (36:28):
News dogs b.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
It is six to two, Luke says Tyler. The damn
sign is on the barrier in the center. Open your
eyes instead of daydreaming on the road. You're getting absolutely
punished from people that drive up that area all the time. Andrew,
cameras in the UK, how do they work? Weird question?

Speaker 23 (36:48):
Yeah, thanks guys, really good, really good subject. I was
in the UK four weeks and there's cameras that are
doing point to point, as the other guy was saying, yeah,
so they're taking the average speed and you note this
for people slow down.

Speaker 18 (37:03):
Also a couple of other things.

Speaker 23 (37:04):
Most of the trucks are in the left hand lane,
and always in the UK this whole idea of move
to the left, so you don't get this this tailgating
with somebody trying to pass somebody. I do have to
say some people were driving at one hundred and one
hundred and twenty one hundred and twenty miles an hour
on the road while I'm doing my seventy miles an hour,

(37:26):
So that is a problem, but very very few problems.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
That's good to know. I thank you. Yeah, bring some
of that stuff over here.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
I think we're bad drivers.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Owen, welcome to the show. Oh, Owen's in the kitchen. Yeah,
he sounds like he's in a cutlery drawer. Get a Owen, Owen.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Ohwen, I wonder what he's cooking.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Okay, Owen, all right, we'll wait till Owen gets as
whatever he's doing, gets the spoon out of the drawer.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, we might come back to Owen.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
So, as I was saying before a terrible crime, I
committed to a side Barnett trailer. Yes this was quite
a few years ago, but I was working for Radio
Hurdeche and we were driving around the Radio Hurdechet. We
saw a billboard for Cybarnett and Gary McCormick and we
and it was just parked on the side of the road,
this trailer. And this is how it plays into these
trailers that have been put on the side of the

(38:17):
road by a NCTA. They speak everyone's and we just
noticed it wasn't locked at all. So we just attached
the trailer to the back of our you and we
just stole it.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
See Cybarnet too, trusting mate, lock your trailer like your
bloody trailer.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
But then we realized that we were idiots because we
had stolen their trailer, and then we were just driving
around town promoting a rival radio station.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
It was great advertising for them, so then in the
end the joke was on us. Yeah, very good, right,
great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who called
anticks on that one. Coming up after two o'clock. If
you've gone through pilot training, we're keen to hear from you.
There might be changes on the way, but keen to
hear your experiences. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Nine two nine two's the
text number you're listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope you

(39:02):
having a great afternoon.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams news dog Zibby.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Good Adie, welcome back into the program. It is seven
passed too. Really good to have you with us as always,
So let's get into this New Zealand's aviation sector. It's
facing a critical pilot shortage that does threaten the future
of regional airlines and national connectivity. It was announced at
the Big Aviation Conference yesterday that the government has started

(39:31):
a new aviation Action Plan and a big part of
this plan is exploring how changes to pilot training, student
loan caps and workforce support aimed to tackle the skills crisis.
James Mega He is the Associate Minister of Transport for
the government. Here's a little bit of what he said
to Mike this morning.

Speaker 12 (39:49):
It is quite expensive to be a pilot, about one
hundred thousand dollars to train. It takes slightly longer to
train here in New Zealand and say some of our
comparable jurisdictions overseas. So we're going to look at how
do they train their pilots. Is there anything we can
do to change our qualification framework to make it easier
and faster to train maintaining safety. That means those pilots
can get out in the workforce, pay off their loan
more quickly and have you oportunity to work.

Speaker 15 (40:09):
So that's part of it.

Speaker 12 (40:09):
There's also engineers are other service delivery aspects as well.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Is there a loan cap on training to be a pilot? Yeah,
there is.

Speaker 12 (40:14):
It was put in place I think over a decade
ago and it reflected the fact that there was a
large cost furden on barring to the commercial pilot, and
there are statistics that showed that it took quite a
while for those loans to be paid back and that
hasn't changed in a few years, and the industry has
called for that to be looked at, and that is
part of the action planet.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
But are we looking or are we doing well?

Speaker 12 (40:34):
Realistically, that is a financial cost, and there's always trade
offs when you've got those financial costs. If we can
amend the way that the training is delivered and train
more pilots here and win those training pilots into the workforce,
they can pay down their loans more quickly.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
It's in the mix.

Speaker 12 (40:48):
It's probably not the solution to the overall problem.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
So there's a lot in there. I mean, just on
the pilot training himself, he made mention that it takes
in New Zealand on average eighteen to twenty months. Overseas
and most jurisdictions that we compare ourselves to it takes
just a year. And there's a big thing on that
the loan cap as well. If it's seventy thousand dollars
you can buy, then you need to find another thirty k.
That is a big barrier.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Is it worth it is it a good job to
be to be a pilot? It be interesting to talk
to some pilots and say it was worth running up
one hundred K. You know, can you earn good money?
I assume you can, But do you I mean, I
assume you earn great money if you're flying internationally. But
if you're just fanging around the country in an ATR
flying an ATR, is that worth running up that kind
of money? What's the training? Like I always think when pilots,

(41:35):
you know, you're training, and just the other day we've
been talking about driving my son, you know, took my
car for the first time himself. You know, take a license, right,
big moment, that moment when you're a pilot and you
do your first solo flight, that must be intense. Yeah,
that must be an intense moment in your life, taking
a plane up by yourself.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
That responsibility on your shoulders, and then your first.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Flight with passengers on the plane, when you've got all
those souls that you're in charge of. So I love
to hear from pilots about the training that they went through,
or any young people that are going through the training now,
and just what's that first flight? Like, you know, basically
as I was saying before, I love the whole thing
about pilots. If I ever run into a pilot, I
will absolutely punish them.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
It's a cool job.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
If anyone ever tells me that they're a pilot, I
will punish. Some of the questions I can't have, but
I think most most Kiwi mails are like that, something
about pilots when what they do that we're very impressed by.
But yeah, so anyway, pilot's cool. Want to talk to them?

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, yeah, I'd love to hear from you. If you
have gone through the training, What is it like to
be a pilots and go through that training? And also
how do you feel about these changes? Is it going
to make any difference to you or would it make
difference to the industry as well?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
And it's not just pilots that we're lacking, it's the
engineers on the ground and the air traffic controllers as well.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Definitely yep.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
The six is Hi, Matt and Tyler. I'm an air
traffic controller employed by Earways in z It. I was
on Auckland approach radar controller for twenty years.

Speaker 20 (43:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
I work in the tower at for Norpai Air Base.
If you're into adv and won an up close look
at the world of ATC. I would be happy to
show you around with a visit.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Oh mate, you have just made Mad's day. You're about
to leave the studio right now and drive down to
FANELPOI aren't you. I mean, that's a hell of an
invitation and Matt will happily accept that.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, all right, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You
know what are the problems in the aviation sector. If
you're in there, we'd love to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
It is eleven past two, back very shortly.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
And what makes it so cool? Wow?

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk Sai'd be.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
For a good afternoon to you. So we're talking to
proposed changes to how pilots train in New Zealand. As
it stands, it is one of the hardest places in
the world to train as a pilot in terms of
how many a man hours or flight hours you need
in terms of the cost. So if you've gone through
that process, love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
What's crazy about this whole thing is I had no
idea that we had a shortage of pilots. I always
thought that the problem was around the other way, that
there was a lot of people training for pilots and
they couldn't get their jobs. So it's interesting. I'd be
interested to know why there is a loss of pilots.
Where did they go? Yeah, where did all the pilots go? Well,
this Texas is he team been a pilot for twenty
two years, worth eleven thousand hours in helicopter. Myself and

(44:24):
many pilot mates have left the industry as we're not
valued or listened to. So they're losing so many valued
experience pilots at the moment.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
That is sad. Laretta, how are you?

Speaker 24 (44:36):
I'm all right.

Speaker 25 (44:36):
I'm sitting here at the y Mack white baiting.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Oh lucky you, And you're not lucky.

Speaker 25 (44:41):
I've been here ten hours and got two white baits.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Oh okay, that's not much, that's not enough.

Speaker 25 (44:47):
Not good, No, no, I'm ringing about.

Speaker 21 (44:50):
Well.

Speaker 25 (44:50):
I might have it wrong, but my daughter's partner became
a goddess commercial pilot's license last year. But it just
can't then just get a job flying. You have to,
for my understanding, get so many hours up on your record,
which you can't get in this you've got a job.

(45:12):
And so he's then did a instructor's course to try
to get some hours up. So that was more money.
The original cost of one hundred grand, so then that
was more money. And then, because that's what everyone has
to do, you can't really get an instructure's job very easily.
He's finally got one, but he's on minom right, so

(45:35):
you know it's not good.

Speaker 6 (45:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
So to be a commercial pilot in New Zealand you
need to complete a minimum of two hundred hours of
total flight time. That's to be eligible for a commercial
pilot license.

Speaker 25 (45:47):
He's got his license, yeah, and then school lane for
a couple of years here in christ Church, right. I
don't know how long it took exactly, but he got
his past as commercial pilot license and then you know
the bigger places and haven't got enough hours, I call you.
And so he's then thought, well if I do and instructors,

(46:09):
of course I'm once. So I've done that. Of course
I can then instruct people and I'm getting my hours up.
That way is what he's doing now. But he's on
minimum wage because everyone's trying to do the same thing, right,
and they had to leave the town to do that.
He had to go to another place, So a shortage
of pilots. I don't know, is there you know?

Speaker 20 (46:29):
Does he no?

Speaker 2 (46:30):
And you might not know the answer to this, but
how much if he keeps sticking at it when he
gets into another job, how much you can actually earn
in terms of everything like that?

Speaker 25 (46:39):
Yeah, now I've got an idea, but I just thought
like when he got it, ah, okay, you'd be able
to apply to jet Star in your heeland or something.
Oh no, no way they want.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
You know, does the count flying around in a crop duster?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
I hope? So it's still flying there. That does look
really fun. They get real low and almost like you know,
they come in right under it and then pick it
back up.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Well, when we were out recently, you jumped in and
got a bit of training, didn't you?

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (47:09):
I did?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, how'd you go?

Speaker 3 (47:11):
I was very shaky? You're watching me, mate? It was
she was pretty I don't want to run you down,
but pretty loose.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
I thought it was about to go into those hills
after about ten minutes. And let's make it clear, you're
in a simulator I was in a simulator. Yeah, yeah,
not a real plane. Yeah, but even then, you know,
I just felt that responsibility and there's nobody there. It's
a simulator, it's a video game. But I still just
had that terrified aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, because I went up in the chop a simulator
hook here and Air Force base, and even though it
was a simulator, I felt so much pressure not to
crash it, even though it was a fake thing that
I was actually quite nervous because it's the full, the
full everything around you.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
You know, you've got all the buttons everything, and you
know the way you do it.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
But yeah, I mean that's a fantastic thing, isn't it
that The rise of simulators in terms of training pilots,
that's a game changer.

Speaker 21 (48:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
You know the amount of hours that have needed to
train a pilots and you know, taking planes up and
all that kind of stuff. The simulators that must have
made a huge difference. But to simulated hours count at all,
I wonder that when you talk about the number of hours,
that there must be a difference between of clearly clearly
some hours and actually flying.

Speaker 7 (48:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
But it's a good question. Love to hear from you
if you've gone through pilot training, can you use some
hours in a simulator to get to that point before
you get your license? So one hundred and eighty ten
eighty I.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Applied to be in an Aeronautical engineer before COVID made
it through to the training phase. Then the world shut
down cisistics. The reapplied last year failed due to theory
not being up to scratch. But I was more experienced
than all the young ones coming through. Normally they in
New Zealand would have put me through, but they had
that that many APPS applicants, they had to be superstrict.

(48:51):
All the older guys are leaving and retiring, so they
are screaming for them.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Yeah. There was another point raised by this report or
this action plan that they were looking at the idea
of retention for pilots, so they get them trained up
here and then make New Zealand pilots or those trained
in New Zealand stay for at least a year before
they take over off overseas. And I wonder at the
farness on that, because if you're spending that amount of

(49:15):
money and getting trained up and then you get a
good offer from Dubai yar, why should you stay here?

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, but I mean as they are, they just worried
that they're going to get the training and fly off
literally and then not pay the money man.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, very true. And there's that's exactly a one of people.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
With massive loans that aren't coming back to New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Yeah. Love to hear from you, Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. If you're a former pilot or are currently
a pilot and if you've if you, I'd.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Be interested to know if once you if you're an
overseas pilot and you come into New Zealand, do you
have to do more training or or is it you know,
if you're in you know, one of the you know,
I guess you'd call them affiliate countries like Australia for example,
or the UK or the US. Yeah, are they just
instantly transferable skills?

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Great question. I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love
to hear from you. It is twenty pars.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Too, matd Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons, call oh eight hundred
and eighty on news Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Afternoon to you. We're talking about changes too training to
become a pilot it's been announced by the government to
make it easier because we've got a pilot shortage at
the moments.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Hey, look at this. I think i've I guess run
down how hard it is to be a top dressing pilot.
This Texas says, Hey, guys, top dressing can be an
extremely demanding, a dangerous job. If you took ten pilots
with similar experience, maybe two of them would be suitable.
Back in the heyday of the seventies, there was one
company where the saying was, out of three pilots hired,
they sacked, one, killed, one, kept one.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Geniees talented pilots.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
A commercial pilot's license is about two hundred hours and
simply means you can take fear paying passengers, as opposed
to fifty hours for a private pilot to be able
to take friends, they don't charge. The commercial license means
about as much as a pushbike to a fish, and
means they are just one of many looking for very
few jobs. No airline is taking anyone with less than
probably one thousand hours and multiple types of ratings. That's

(51:07):
that's interesting. Yeah, Alyn, welcome to the show. You're a
qualified former pilot.

Speaker 14 (51:13):
Yeah, yeah, I am.

Speaker 10 (51:13):
I got my license in two thousand and two. I
was a little bit lucky because ex military I had
the money, so I paid for it myself and it
was about eighty thousand and then I decided I wanted
to be an egg polot. I did look at going
the instructor way, but I didn't want to spend another
twenty five thousand dollars, so I did. I dig egg
as a ground crewman on the ground for.

Speaker 14 (51:33):
About five years.

Speaker 10 (51:34):
But it was just hard getting the hours up. And
like a lot of people said, you've got to have
a thousand hours before you don't.

Speaker 15 (51:40):
Want to look at you.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
And so that's a thousand hours you have to pay for,
right So you.

Speaker 10 (51:45):
Have to know you what you try and do is
you try and build the hours up so well. I
tried to be an egg pollock because I felt like,
what's an egg?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
What's an egg? What's an egg pilot? Sorry?

Speaker 10 (51:55):
An pilots? Sorry I did. I did a helicopter license.
Ye that I wanted to spray and and they're very
good pilots, So that's the way I wanted to go.
I would I would my advice to some people though,
and and some people probably don't want to hear this,
but during my time, I only did it for about
five years. The money wasn't very good and so I

(52:15):
kind of re enlisted back to the military because I'm
messed getting paid twice as much for half the work
because those working seven days a week. But I would
some people say, don't do your license overseas. You better
off to do it in New Zealand because you want
to get a job in New Zealand. You've got to
think about we only have so many helicopters in New Zealand.
So if there's only so many employers, if you do

(52:35):
your license overseas, you've got more chance of getting work.
And then once you've got that thousand hours, that's your
golden ticket. So when you come back to New Zealand,
if you've got that thousand hours, it doesn't matter where
you get it from, as long as you've got it
in a thousand hours. Is because it's of insurance. I
mean it's a catch twenty two. The employers can't really
ensure you unless you've got a thousand insurance companies won't

(52:57):
employ you. So it's it's not an easy industry. I
wouldn't say I did it for five years. I've got
no regrets, but I've got mates that have stuck it out. Yes,
he said that he's on minimum wage, but I guarantee
if he sticks it out, uh, and then he becomes
the helicopter pilot, you'll forget about the minimum wage.

Speaker 20 (53:16):
You will.

Speaker 10 (53:17):
You know, it would be very rewarding once you succeed.
I just chose not to carry on.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Helen. How many people are like how much of the
work that helicopterics has have historically done has been taken
up by drones these days.

Speaker 10 (53:33):
I wouldn't think the drones are capable in the egg industry,
you know, you know, you're carrying a thousand leaders. A
drone can't carry that. There is a lot of work
that drones can do. But I mean, I'm not an expert,
but and that definitely would be tooper using drones. But

(53:55):
I wouldn't suggest why. I don't think the farmers or
the forest because I worked for a company that was
spraying forestry and we were we were spraying, you know,
we were spraying a lot of you know, you wouldn't
you wouldn't do it with a drone.

Speaker 18 (54:07):
It just couldn't unless it drives are huge.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
So now you're you were trained to the military, you
went into commercial and then you went back into the
army of the military, of the Air Force, and are
you still there?

Speaker 10 (54:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've realized it back into the navy.

Speaker 9 (54:25):
So and I I would fly.

Speaker 10 (54:28):
I probably would fly again if I could afford it. Yeah,
but it would just be a part one. It's probably
too late now because I'm sixty odd, but I don't
know for good. So, I mean, you know, like it
was just it is just hard trying to get those
hours because you know, I'm the first employer I went
to to go and get a job. They said, how
many hours you've got? This is two hundred and fifty.

(54:49):
This is all you come back to see when when
you've got five thousand hours five thousand.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah, but this was a this.

Speaker 10 (54:56):
Was a very good company down south. And I get it,
you know, they were flying good machines. But it's you know,
like you spend you spend eight thousand, one hundred thousand,
you would think like if you spent that being a doctor,
you'd probably walk into a job. Yeah, you can't walk
into a job.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Friend of mine, God has helicopter a license. Len But
the kicker was his parents had done very well in life,
so they ended up buying him a trainee chopper that
he could train them to get those hours up. So
you know, very few people in the country have parents
that could buy a chopper to be able to train, right.

Speaker 10 (55:36):
Yeah, a lot of some people do it. They get
three or four of them and they buy one together,
and then it means the rate to fly. They mentioned
the instructors that I didn't do the instructor thing because
I felt like, I've only just learned to fly and
then you know, I'm going to teach someone to fly.
But my advice now is if people want to do
it here, then do the instructors, because the companies are

(55:59):
they're not going to put you in a helicopter next
to a trainee pilot and you're not going to be
teaching that person how to do advanced flying. You're going
to be teaching them the basics. And if they're building
your hours up in it's the hours, you know. So
I kind of probably I kind of probably hit my
nose off to spite my face because I thought, how
can I teach people to fly when I've only learned
to fly? But when you're instructing. You're only teaching.

Speaker 22 (56:21):
People the basically, right, you get better.

Speaker 10 (56:23):
When you get better, they'll let you progress to you know,
So it's a good industry.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah, hey, Len, does some ows count for anything or
as they just training before you get in there?

Speaker 10 (56:34):
They I think they do. In the military, I think
they do. I think somehows do count. Yeah, yeah, I
mean I had think it's one hundred and fifty hours.
I did mine. Yes, it's one hundred and fifty hours.
You could back then as well, you could.

Speaker 14 (56:47):
You could do it.

Speaker 10 (56:47):
You could split it so you could if you wanted
to be you could do so much fixing time and
then you could credit that towards your helicopter time.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
So oh yeah, it's so what's hard? What's harder? Learning
to fly helicopter or a plane?

Speaker 20 (57:04):
Well?

Speaker 10 (57:04):
I didn't get to do the plane.

Speaker 24 (57:06):
I just it wasn't.

Speaker 10 (57:07):
I got come into to fly helicopters because I went
for a trial flight and this pilot was on a
you know, like and he could just he just showed
me exactly what they could do. Plus I'd clone in
the military as well as a crewman, so I'd always
wanted to. But I do know that I do know
one of my instructors, he was he was a qualified,

(57:29):
very good aviation fix wing pilot and then the past
time he was a helicopter pilot teaching people, right, and
I think there's good money, but it's not. The money's
not there good until you get up to someone like
a rescue pilot or you're flying off the oil rigs
and as you can imagine, to fly to get those
jobs or please helicopter you need to really, i'd say
you need a minimum five.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Oh sorry sorry lean five or six thousand hours? Yeah,
or hey, thank you so much for you call lean.
Appreciate it, great insight.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
It's interesting, pretty bad ass being a helicopter pilot and
an oil rig I mean, that is cool.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Ben says, drones are doing some helly work, but they
are slow when it comes to spraying.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Yeah, yeah, I mean. And they did make mention of
drone technology in this Aviation Action Plan, but the Minister
did note that the technology is still some way off
and we still need pilots desperately, and we'll always need
pilots to some extent.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
But someone I was talking to said that with this
new drone technology, you can map out the whole field
that you that you're doing. So it's done very methodically
with the drone. It goes up and does it exactly.

Speaker 20 (58:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
And you can get these fixed wing drones. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
So it's like a it's like a rumber in the air. Yeah,
and it just goes back to base and refills with
fertilizer and takes off again.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
An aerial rumber, real rumber.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Love it. Oh, one hundred and eighty, ten eighty is
the number to cour if you want to send it.
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Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Thank you very much, Adam. So as we've been discussing
hopes that the Government's Aviation Action Plan can help more
pilots take off, the government has released the first ever
strategy for the sector. Part of that commitment is to
look at pilot education and create a workforce plan in
areas where there are big skills shortages. To discuss more
we're joined by Airline Industry Association New Zealand Chief Executive

(01:00:30):
Simon Wallace, who's on the phone now, Simon. Very good
afternoon to.

Speaker 24 (01:00:33):
You, Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
So Simon, what's the most important change for the industry
in this plan?

Speaker 24 (01:00:40):
Look, I think the really good thing is that we've
got an action plan and aviation. It's a government industry plan.
It's got the buying of industry. It's got some clear
deliverables with dates on it. It's not just another white
paper that's going to be put on the shelf. And
there's a lot of really good things in here around workforce, regulation, infrastructure,

(01:01:00):
is a number of really positive things.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Can you explain this to me? Or HOCKEYA is being
made permanently available for large passenger aircraft. Does that overflow
or emergency or is that actually using it as a
commercial airport?

Speaker 24 (01:01:13):
No, that's overflow an emergency when there's no problems at all.
Cond Or Christich for example, and some of those larger
jets triple sevens or eight three eighties can't land at
either of those two airports. There's now the ability I
think it's going to be from the end of twenty
twenty six to be able to use that facility. So
that has been a work in progress and it is
one of the good things that's in this plan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
It's an impressive setup they've got there. It's basically a
full airport. You've got the departure lounges, you've got the seating,
you've got the carousel, you've got everything down there. It's
pretty impressive.

Speaker 24 (01:01:45):
Now, yeah, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Now, original airlines have obviously we hear about this, been
struggling with pilot shortages and costs. What's causing that. I
mean a few years ago it seemed like we didn't
have enough pilots. I mean we had too many pilots
and pilots couldn't get jobs.

Speaker 24 (01:02:00):
Yeah, but I think since you know, we're five years
old now from the pandemic, and demand as customer demand
has come back globally and here in New Zealand as well.
And we've had a period when our flight training schools
haven't had the numbers, haven't been training the numbers. And
you know, now we now that demand has come back.
We're around about one hundred pilots short in New Zealand

(01:02:24):
each year. And I look, I think the big thing
here is that we don't have favorable policy settings to
get young kiwis into into flight training, and that's one
of the big things in this plan that is going
to have a real focus.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
We're talking to Simon Wallace, Chief Executive Aviation Industry Association,
New Zealand. So further to that, how long and how
much does it currently take and cost to become a pilot,
including we keep hearing about this all the hours you
realistically need to get in to get a well paying
job after you certified.

Speaker 24 (01:02:56):
Yeah, look, it's quite hard to break this all down,
but you know, at the moment there's a fifty thousand deficit,
so that the government will only only loan up to
seventy thousand dollars for Watson actually an eighteen months to
two year program. The cost of tuition fees for pilot
training is in the order of one hundred, one hundred
and twenty thousand. We haven't had that seventy thousand don't

(01:03:19):
a seventy thousand dollars loan cap change since twenty thirteen.
So what we're doing here is we're increasingly locking out
young Kiwi's from opting for a career as a pilot.
It's only the well off. It's only wealthy families that
can afford to put their kids through flight training, and
we want all New Zealanders to have that opportunity. So

(01:03:43):
there's got to be some change here around what's available
to be lent. And you know, we have officials saying
to us that, you know, pilots don't pay them their
loans back in a timely manner. Yeah, sure, they don't
pay them back as quickly as as some other occupations,
but they do pay their loans back after a period
of time. It's a part really good career pathway. So

(01:04:07):
you know, this to be an open mind around us
so we can get more young qbs into.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Pilot training, especially since we need pilots now. It's obviously
cheaper to get your hours in a simulator as opposed
to taking up an aircraft. Simulator is good enough to
count for training.

Speaker 24 (01:04:24):
It's it's part of it. You've got to have that
time in the year you have any any instructor. And
I'm not I'm not a pilot or an instructor, but
you know you have to have that time in the year.
It's all, it's all part of it's all part of
the training. You know, I know the government is really
the minister James Meek said said at our conference that
you know we want the training time frame to be

(01:04:47):
contensed into a year. You know we would like that too,
but it's very it's very challenging in terms of the
fact that we wear short of flight instructors. We've got
a qualifications framework, it's not set up to deliver it
in a year, so that we need government agencies to
come to the party. And actually New Zealand climate is
an issue as well because we're not an Arizona where

(01:05:07):
you can you can fly almost every day of the year,
so we you know that that is that is a
reality as well, so we're not We want to be
able to work with the government about how we can
content condense that training that training time frame. But there's
a few things we've got to got to get over
the line first.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
That's interesting about New Zealand conditions coming with particular West
Indian Cricketer said that you have to be the best
pilot in the world to land in New Zealand because
you have to land the plane sideways, So do you
have to be a better pilot than you have to be?
Saying the outback of Australia or as you say, Arizona,
you have to be a.

Speaker 24 (01:05:44):
Really good pilot. In Wellington today it's flowing a gale.
But I think that's what makes that that's that's about
the quality of our training because you know, New Zealand
pilots learn to fly in really challenging conditions and it's
not just the weather, it's the terrain as well. So
that that that really goes to the quality of our

(01:06:05):
of our training provision in New Zealanda pilots.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Clearly that makes them pretty in demand internationally. Simon, what
about the idea and it wasn't part of the plan,
but there was some discussions about the idea of retention
that you make it easier to become a pilot, but
then you sign on to a retention scheme that you've
got to work in the country for a year. Is
there any benefit to an idea like that.

Speaker 24 (01:06:25):
I think all that's got to be looked at. You know,
in New Zealand's got the program that they launched last
year and they've got a bonding scheme of sorts. I'm
not familiar with all the details, but you know that
is happening. That happens in other professions, so that you know,
there has to be part of the discussion as well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
So looking at these if these reforms succeed, how much
better or how different will the aviation industry in New Zealand?

Speaker 25 (01:06:51):
Look?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
And you know, ten years down the track, all will
the solve our problems.

Speaker 24 (01:06:57):
There's got to be progress. You know, we've been talking
about the stuff for ten years and there's got to
be some change here and not where we are really
positive as an association and as an industry out this plan,
but there hasn't been an action plan in aviation for
more than a couple of decades. So we've now got
that and we've we've got to make good with that.
And can I just say one other thing. There's an

(01:07:18):
engineer shortage as well, and the shortages and in the engineering.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Industry any controllers.

Speaker 24 (01:07:25):
Well, any traffic controllers. We're struggling to get air traffic
controllers and places where they really needed, like Queenstown. So
there's a whole lot of things going on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
What's the pathway for those two professions, Like what's the
engineer pathway like in the air traffic control training.

Speaker 24 (01:07:41):
Look, look, I can talk to the engineer one not
so much of an expert on the on the ear
traffic controllers. But you know we're only training. We've only
got about one hundred four more training places for aviation
engineers in New Zealand through through n m I T
through in New Zealand and the Defense Force.

Speaker 7 (01:08:00):
It's not it's not enough.

Speaker 24 (01:08:01):
And we do we have demand from young young New
Zealand it's wanting to be aviation engineers and it's not
the same kind of we're not looking the same kind
of of fees to train to be an engineer as
we are a pilot.

Speaker 20 (01:08:15):
So it is.

Speaker 24 (01:08:16):
Affordable as we just have to make it accessible and
we're three hundred short and we're relying on immigration. Government's
got a growth agenda. We want to support that growth agender,
but we need to engineer to sign off our planes
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Yeah, Simon, really good to get your expertise and thoughts
on this. Thank you very much for joining us, and
we really hope it starts to make a difference because
it is a massive industry in New Zealand. The amount
of people employed and we heard earlier six percent of
GDP of the country in terms of the amount of
people they employ and the money they bring in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
The aviation sector.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Yeah wow, that's what sent yep, that's big.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Well sort it out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Yeah right, we're taking more of your calls on one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've gone through pilot training,
love to hear your thoughts on these proposed changes sixteen
to three.

Speaker 6 (01:09:03):
It's a fresh take on took back. It's Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your on eight.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Talks B afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
There's been some big changes proposed to the aviation sector
and one of those big changes is making it easier
to train as a pilot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Bless us. Hey lads, I'm currently learning to fly down
here in Wellington in a Piper Tomahawk just for PPL
Private Pilot's license, too old to go for a CPL
a commercial pilot's license. Under CPL, I believe you get
rated on a specific type of aircraft single engine rating,
then twin engine rating, night flying rating, et cetera. Different
types of aircraft require you are rated for different aircraft

(01:09:41):
types i e. A jet stream, a bombardare an ATR,
et cetera. You can't just go from one pilot one
plane to another without training in that particular aircraft. One
would assume that includes whatever hours in the sim and
up in the air.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Interesting makes sense though, I mean, of course, yeah, I
mean different machines.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
I mean there's a seven seven seven is very different
from a little bombardier.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Yeahel plane.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Jesse, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (01:10:13):
Good afternoon, lads.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Very good to chat to you, Jesse, because you're a
current pilot is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
Sure?

Speaker 14 (01:10:18):
And I'm work for Quanos here in Wellington.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Actually fantastic. So tell us about how you went for
your training. Was that about a decade ago, was it?

Speaker 20 (01:10:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:10:30):
So I started twenty eleven whenever the christ Church earthquakes happened,
so that was a fun experience to start with. So
I spent about a year training down in christ Church.
On my course, there probably was about twelve to fourteen students,
and probably now I can look back and say that

(01:10:50):
at least half of them went through and finished all
their training and then just never went and carried on flying.
So they're doing completely other jobs. So that obviously doesn't
help to the pilot shortage. I got my license and
you guys have been talking about instructor rating, so I
decided I'd become a structor, so you pay the extra
twenty five grand and you do quite a little. It's

(01:11:15):
a lot more compared to just your commercial license. You
get to go into more detail about aircraft and how
lift works and how drag works. So I look back
on it now and actually quite enjoyed taking the instructor route.
I ended up trying to work in New Zealand at
the time, and trying to get your first flying job
is probably the hardest thing you'll ever do in your

(01:11:38):
flying career, and it wasn't working for me in New Zealand.
So packed up, sold everything, moved to Australia, but done
some fred couches for a couple of months and ended
up in a small country town in Western Australia called Bundry,
and started by instructing over there. Of course, got to
do a whole lot of different flying over there in Australia.

(01:12:00):
It's quite different to New Zealand. The last caller talking about,
you know, all your terrain and your weather and all
that sort of thing, So you get to learn a
whole lot of different stuff flying somewhere else. But even
when you're instructor, you build your hours right and you're
getting paid to build your hours realistically, and the hours

(01:12:24):
is what you need to get into your to your airlines.

Speaker 22 (01:12:29):
Now.

Speaker 26 (01:12:29):
I moved to Adelaide, got a couple of different instructing
gigs over there. Again they don't pay very well, but
that's what you need to do. Move back to New
Zealand in twenty sixteen and ended up flying the atrs
within New Zealand for a few years. Started off as
your first officer and then became a captain, which in

(01:12:52):
your aviation career is probably in a pinnacle. But decided
that hey, I want to fly something bigger and better
and faster, and that's why I'm flying the seven three
with Quannas now talking to or listening to the other
callers about all the funding and that sort of thing.

(01:13:12):
Back when I started, you you could finance the whole amount,
and my loan ended up at over one hundred thousand dollars.
Moving to Australia meant that I then had interest on
that student loan because I've moved away, and they introduced
minimum repayments of five thousand dollars a year because they

(01:13:35):
couldn't tack into our salary and take out the money.

Speaker 14 (01:13:39):
Black IID does here so I've literally only just paid
my student loan off two weeks ago. So that was
a really good.

Speaker 26 (01:13:49):
Result of trying and get that taken because it's a
lot of money that comes out of here, out of
your salary.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Well good on you. It sounds like you have to
believe in the dream and the dedication and do whatever
it takes to get there. A quick couple of questions.
I've only got another forty seconds, so I'll give them both.
You are you familiar with the greatest ATR pilot this
country ever known, Captain Scott Buttery? And secondly yea. But
on second true that you have to ram it in
like a tent pier landing in napier in an ATR.

Speaker 25 (01:14:17):
Oh.

Speaker 26 (01:14:18):
Look, I've landed a napier a few times depending on
what the weather was like in an AhR. But I'll
tell you what flying a jet into Wellington.

Speaker 14 (01:14:25):
In a gusty day like today is. It's a great feeling.
I love being in Welington.

Speaker 7 (01:14:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
That's when you prove that you're a great pilot and
you've got the skills to get it done.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Yes, you're on the right job. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
We called you. See, I'm glad people like you stick
it out. Yeah, what we need you to fly us around.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
What a good man?

Speaker 20 (01:14:44):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
It is eight minutes to three beag very shortly here
on Newstalks B.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Love Captain Scott Buttery, the issues that affect you and
a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 6 (01:14:53):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Talks B, News Talks B. It is four to two three.
What a great discussion thinking everybody who called an texts
on that. A couple of texts to this one up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
I'm retired after fifty five years flying, started fixed wings,
egg flying, then helicopter's logging and heavy lifting, moved into
offshore oil support for the last thirty years. It took
me around the world and the best occupation one could
have a life of fun and excitement from John, what
a good man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
That does sound very exciting and fun.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
And this is a good point. It sounds like it's
the airlines. They should have a clear pathway for their
own industry. After all, it's in their best interest. The
system seems a little cooked. Ah yeah, I mean as
their plan just to import pilots from overseas.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Yeah, it seems like it a great discussion. Thank you
very much, and we'll see where that action plan ends up.
But it seems positive overall. Right, coming up, this is
going to be a great chat. Has gen X been overlooked?
Caught between the boomers and the millennials?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Mets is yes, and that also says Captain Scott Butter.
He's a bit heavy on the stick, but he's a
good kid, the best of us. You want them behind
the wheels of your ati.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
It's three minutes to three New Sport and we're the
fast approaching. Say right, it will be back very shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Gen X rules.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Your new home for instal and Entertaining Talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Sebby, very good afternoon to you, welcome back into the show.
Seven past three. There is going to be a great chat.
So a story about gen X, and it makes the
point has gen X been overlooked? Caught between the boomers
and the millennials? Many gen xers say they are the
unsung influences shaping family, tech and the economy. That is

(01:16:43):
a massive call.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Yeah, I mean there's so many reasons and I'd love
to hear from my gen X brothers and sisters. I
tight hundred eighty ten eighty. But I think there are
a lot of reasons to think that whilst we may
be slightly forgotten, generation, were actually incredible, powerful generation that
was brought up tough, but it's quietly just going about
the business of running the whole world with the Millennials

(01:17:06):
and the boomers yells stuff at each other. You know,
we were latch key kids. It's very different from from
your generation. There was no one at home when we
came home from school, generally speaking, there were We were
the ones across the you know, we grow up with
mixtapes and rewinding cassettes and vhs, you know, unlike the

(01:17:30):
digital world that the millennials grew up in. We had
crazy pop culture, probably the best pop culture ever, I
mean grunge. Of the movies that we loved. Fight Club,
for example, is a fantastic movie where we basically fashioned
ourselves completely on Star Wars. We were we were raised

(01:17:51):
in a much more dangerous way than you were as
a millennial. And it's definitely Z's were at like essentially
zero Guardrails started smoking at thirteen. Most of us. Our
playgrounds were basically death traps. I'm just trying to think
of other things. There was no YouTube clips for solving problems.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
That's a good list, an absolute coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
You know, our music situation was phenomenal with you know,
Nirvana and many other bands, Pearl Jam and nineties hip
hop phenomenon that I could go on and on on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Yeah, but I'm going to defend millennials here now. So
here's where the millennials are absolutely kick ass, and Boomers
we want to hear from you as well. But here's
what millennials. Millennials have always done well, and I think
we get We get way too much hate. That shouldn't
really be our fault. You know, we get blamed for
the Generation Z and some of the foibles of that generation.

(01:18:49):
It's not millennial's fault. We're kind of in that middle
ground as well. But somehow we get lumped with all
the problems of the world. We didn't start that stuff.
We're just the products of Generation X and the boomers
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Aren't you just basically mental health day if you've got
to hang over Harry Potter obsessed softies? Isn't that what
millennials are? And didn't you start everything that? We're all
the weakness and all the hr problems that that workplaces at.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Harry Potter is a great book and a great movie.
But we're early adopters. We're very good with technology. And
you're right, I think millennials quite often value meaning over money.
Isn't that a great trait? That money is a great
thing to have, But we like meaning in the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
World and wet gen X with the original no sellout generation,
I mean that was the most important thing for gen
X people was to not sell out. Yeah, I mean
we have sold out now, and that happens to everyone
as they get older, it does, but gen X was
that was the most important thing on absolutely everything from
from sport to movies to music. Even the people in

(01:19:56):
advertising industry were all talking about not selling out. So
I think gen X. But but there are also another
argument to this, right, So you say that, you know,
millennials have been talked about being week week and whimpy
and slack and lame and and you know, having no
resolve or ambition and just sort of floating around like

(01:20:19):
a feather in the wind crying. People say that. But
people said about the the gen X called it was
the slacker generation. Yeah, so the boomers were calling the
gen X before they stopped hassling gen X and start
hassling millennials and millennials started their fight with boomers. It
was gen X were considered the slackest generation of all time.

(01:20:40):
It was all, I'm a loser, baby, so why don't
you kill me?

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Exactly? So how did you escape that? Eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call? So do you
agree with this article? Are gen X the quiet achievers?
Are they sitting there influencing the world while millennials and
boomers go at it?

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Boomers had the best years, Millennials are soft? Is this Texter?

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
All right? We'll come on through. I wait one hundred
eighty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Tony says gen X a delusion of their music was
crap and probably doesn't even deserve to be called music.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Yeah. Yeah, was in a great era.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Well some of it wasn't great.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Yeah, but I had a few hits in there. Yeah yeah,
Na Vanna's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
You've got a bit of time for a Snoop Dogg
and Doctor Dre.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Yeah, there's go yeah, us talks'd be very good afternoon.
Choose so an article about gen X? They call it
a forgotten generation, but it's not really the point. So
the point of the article was that that is a
generation quietly, quietly destroying the world and destroying the studio
Matte heathenixyl see that's the sort of behavior you gen
x's are up to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Well, well, it's funny because someone's just texting through a
gen X. We have more hardcore than millennials because we
drink water from the tap in the hose. Yeah, but
then where I saw that? I knocked over my little
you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
A very millennial water bottle. You got there, mate, my
little sick cup water bottle. But what do you say?
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call?
A fewtiqs coming through on this one on nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Working in hospitality, Millennials are the most polite and understanding
when it comes to the customers. Boomers are the ruders.
But what are millennials like behind the counter? I think
there's there's a there's a problem with a lot of
gen z behind the counter. Just bring another generation with
the inability to even deal with an adult in any
kind of you know, sensible way. Yeah, you know, the

(01:22:19):
look in the eyes and ask a question. That's sort
of just the staring down at your feet, sort of
like an emotional hemophiliate. Peter, you're a child of the seventies.

Speaker 18 (01:22:32):
Yeah, I'm a I.

Speaker 9 (01:22:33):
Think I'm a gymini seventy two born around that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Yeah, gen X, we should actually look at where the
exact data.

Speaker 22 (01:22:40):
Yeah, I just think we were the generation of doing Yeah.
I think there was like we can kind of blean
that to boomers quite easily and then kind of blend
them to actors as well. We're kind of yea, well,
it's like Aquarius, you're over December or a January child, right,

(01:23:02):
So I just think we're good at blending men. But
we didn't take any crap. You know, when we were
growing up in the late seventies early eighties, it was
you either did it or you did it, and you know,
there was time to be bored at all. We never
had the technology we do, but we're good at kind

(01:23:25):
of doing stuff still.

Speaker 21 (01:23:27):
And you know you never complained.

Speaker 9 (01:23:30):
Yeah, now you just you just kind of see a
whole bunch of bs. And a prime example of Matt
when you Infred the show was you listed fifteen things
and then you went on to the millennial and you
struggled with four we've done on purpose. But that's exactly

(01:23:51):
what it's about, is like, oh, they might be a
little bit forgiving towards this and that, but cheap as
in the seventies early eighties, you didn't have a choice.
You told the line, but you were also in awe
of some of the boomers what they got up to. Yeah,
and you jump the cross and I think we're there.

(01:24:11):
I say it like the Italians during World War Two.
We sit on the fence and we can get away
with a neck or a boomer, then we'll take it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
But it's interesting what you say about about being able
to do things though, But I'm blowing away by what
a lot of boomers can practically do compared to the
generations after them. Like I've talked on the show before
about how my dad and his brother can just knock
up anything. They can fix anything, knock up anything. It
was just a standard given that you could do a

(01:24:39):
bunch of things that a lot of people can't do.
Now I've talked about you know, my dad, if he
needs something, he'll just knock up a shed. You come
back and he's gone. I needed a shed for that,
So he's knocked it together. Or you know, my uncle
he built a whole library in his backyard, you know,
just because he wanted somebody to keep his box. And
he's just out there knocking it together. And you know,
I think I know a little bit from what my

(01:25:00):
dad's taught me, but nothing just the the the level
of knowledge, and you know, things like I mean this
is going to sound crazy, but darning socks.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
You know, I don't even know what that word means.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
So so a sock would get a hole in it,
and a Boomer will sew that up.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Yeah, yeah, but waste not, want not.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
But most gen X and millennials will if that sock out.

Speaker 9 (01:25:22):
Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 8 (01:25:25):
Right.

Speaker 20 (01:25:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:25:25):
We were also that generation that could make out the
bamboo deadly weapons of peace shooters and yeah, you know, yeah,
we used to tie string onto the end of bolts
and see how fly far they can fly in the air,
or tie a skyrocket onto a bit of string.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
And you know, hold hands, how many pohas could you
light and hold in your hands?

Speaker 9 (01:25:51):
Yeah, like there wasn't a letter box safe. But I
think we're lucky, lucky for a gen X, gen Y
and even Boomer to actually still be around and talk
about those figures, these millennials.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Just well, just here's where I come into you two
gen x's. Is that you mentioned YouTube gen x'es. Yep, yep,
you mean you mentioned Yeah, you mentioned the Boomers before,
and they had all these skills. That was up to
you guys to learn all of those fantastic Boomers skills
and then pass them down to us millennials. So it's
your problem that a lot of millennials out there are

(01:26:29):
bloody useless because you you didn't learn anything, and you
didn't pass anything down and just kept it to yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Yeah, I mean maybe no, you go, Peter, Sorry, I'm going.

Speaker 9 (01:26:39):
To say, I know where you were going to say,
Mane Tyler, you needed to learn. If you weren't prepared
to learn, you weren't taught right, and you learned. You
learned by doing so.

Speaker 15 (01:26:50):
Have you went out the.

Speaker 9 (01:26:51):
Back of the the bosh for the boys to play
dirt wars, but you sat back and picked daisy. You
wouldn't know what. You wouldn't know what a mud with
a bit of rock stuck into it felt like when
it smacked against your head. You just ended up being
that little kid that we as unpoot all day long.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
You're making some good points, Peter, and I just want
to reminisce it about something that my friends and I
used to do. We'd get a bit of wood, you
put a nail in it, and then you saw the
nail off, and then you stick these things, this fruits
that we call bomby knockers, and you stick them on
them and.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
You just threw them, and boy they would hurt. And
we spend so much of our time just throwing these
hard fruit. I wonder what some of the people, someone
from a target will know what this fruit is called.
They will at this little hard nut like fruit that
was growing everywhere that you could throw at people.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
And that was some serious fun. But what what we had,
Peter and I think we should be very grateful for
this is to have formative years without social media and
without everyone having a camera in their in their pocket
to record the most humiliating things that we've we've done.
I mean, I feel very very grateful for that.

Speaker 9 (01:27:56):
Yeah, but we we didn't kind of have a form
of that of the old neighbor three doors down that
used to tell your parents up to you they can't
was in my back garden, you know, and that had
happened often. Yeah, I got your neighbor by cutting down

(01:28:18):
the panetry.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
And you know there was a chance that they might
spend some money on a high eight camera and actually
film you on a tape. Deliver the tape to your parents.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Our good Peter, thank you very much. Great call Oh
one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're a boomer, how
do you feel about gen X saying they are leading
the world the other quiet influencers and millennials as well,
Come on through and defend yourself at his twenty two
parst three The.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Greatest Generation.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk send four past three.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I think the things we were looking for bomby knockers.
Someone's calling them monkey apples. But the classic gen X
pastime as a child of getting a bit of wood,
thin bit of woods and then nailing, putting an ail,
then sewing the nail off, and then you stuck this
fruit on it, and then you'd really hurt when you
could fling it really hard at a friend. Yeah, I

(01:29:15):
came across a couple copulating at Prospect Park once and
have one really hard at the guy and he beat
the living daylights out of me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
As you were, he was having a nice time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
I ran for it, but he caught me. I was
about eight. Then we pelted him with these But I
think they're called conquers. This text are saying, Ah, yes, conkers.
I think we called them conquers and bomby knockers. Yeah yeah,
but anyway, that was the kind of fun we had
before the internet came along.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
Yeah, eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
This is an interesting point. There are heaps of young
guys gen X and millennials that can fix cars, deal
with jib billed plaster, concrete, the sixt or no problem.
It's clearly an Auckland thing. It always has been. Lol.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Yeah. Well I'm not from Auckland and I can't do
any of those things.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Yeah yeah, And I m seed the Apprentice of the
Year awards most years. Did last year. Yeah, Am I
doing it this year?

Speaker 15 (01:30:05):
Not sure?

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
But anyway, there are obviously some of the most capable
people that you've ever seen in the world that are
walking around.

Speaker 20 (01:30:10):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
These are mass generizations, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
There's a few millennials out there that can do great things. Yeah, next,
how are you mate?

Speaker 15 (01:30:18):
Oh yeah, okay, mate, I just no you fellows lots
of plot death. All your music's there's there's pretty crap,
right you got you go back through through the sabdays.
You got Jimmy Jimmy Hendrix, Janis Jop and Pink Floyd Deaf,

(01:30:40):
ho til Deep, there of iron mane, guns and Rods,
AC DC, rolling Stones, bonds over they're just the name
of shere.

Speaker 21 (01:30:48):
And then you had freaking something like Woodstock were good,
buried of mudon and have smoke a lot of drugs
and listen to some other good music.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Well, I think I think that's an interesting thing because
people don't recognize enough with the boomers that the boomers
were the happy and the boomers were the hard rock
and and you know, I remember Paul McCartney was saying
that people talk about the sixties and the seventies. He said,
you've got no idea even by the eighties. He was

(01:31:23):
saying that the rockers were getting soft compared to the
sixties and seventies.

Speaker 20 (01:31:30):
The old drugs and booze started gets up with them
like Tennis drop them there. But yeah, but that's that's
only one of these one aspect, I thought the other
one when you should drive around the overpriced cool cars
in those days, you know, like fucking Mark ones and

(01:31:50):
Mark twos, evers and Valiants and charges like that, you're
worth a fortune.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Fortune, Yeah yeah, I mean, I mean cars will look
the same now, don't they. I mean Boomer era cars
are you know, cars look different. Every every brand of
car was different. Now everything's just the same. I mean,
I mean a Toyota looks like a BMW.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Now they're all bubble cars, aren't they. But I will
say for the boomers, as Nick was saying, you know,
the generation before them, the silent generation. They were looking
at Boomers at Woodstock and thinking, look at these losers,
you know, wasting their lives away. So you know, there's
all every generation has the generation before it that says
you're a bunch of losers. You're letting humanity down.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Well I'm looking at that, say gen X music, You've
got Nirvana, Pearl Jams, Soundguard and great bands. Beastie Boys,
come on the cure. What a great band pixis, you know?
MJ yep.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Okay, Welllecnology, let me throw some out for you boys.
Slim Underworld, How about the Vinger Boys justin Timberlake, Britney
spears you know all good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
I won't hear a bad word about the Vinger Bus.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
The best of us, all right. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. What do you
reckon about gen X's claim that they are the greatest generation?
Love to hear your thoughts. It is twenty nine past three.

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Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
We're talking about gen X after an article in The
Economists was saying it's the forgotten generation that probably has
more power than you think it does well. The boomers
and the millennials are arguing over the top. But I
thought I've got some audio there for one of my
favorite movies of all time, Flight Club, that I think
just sums up gen X perfectly.

Speaker 14 (01:35:00):
God damn it.

Speaker 27 (01:35:01):
An entire generation pumping gas, wedding tabs, sledge with white
Carlo's advertising hasit chasing cars.

Speaker 6 (01:35:09):
And clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit.

Speaker 15 (01:35:13):
We don't need.

Speaker 14 (01:35:15):
The middle children of history man, no.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Purpose of place. We have, no great war, no great depression.

Speaker 14 (01:35:24):
Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
It's our lives.

Speaker 15 (01:35:29):
We've all been raised on television to believe that one
day we'd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars.

Speaker 14 (01:35:35):
But we won't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
We're slowly learning that fact. We're very, very pissed off.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, sums you guys out passed off. You
need a good war, they were still.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Yeah, what a fantastic movie that is. Craig, welcome to
the show. Your thoughts on this key topic for Kiwi's.

Speaker 27 (01:36:01):
What a great Just listening to that crash me out.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
I've got up to a certain degree sounds up the attitude.

Speaker 27 (01:36:12):
Well, shit, I was a rockstar man, rockstar generation. Yeah,
born fifty seven and just had a rocking good time.

Speaker 9 (01:36:23):
Guys.

Speaker 27 (01:36:24):
Yeah, so I'll be sixty shortly. Obviously you had to
fit into that genre. But I reckon we had a
bloody good time.

Speaker 15 (01:36:33):
We really did.

Speaker 27 (01:36:34):
We were the generation that kind of didn't really look
for approval generation that just opened our own business. I
started my own business at twenty one, Yeah, house at
twenty one, and yeah, there was nothing to tell us
we couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
And how do you different how do you differentiate gen
X from say, boomers and millennials, Craig, So, I've got.

Speaker 27 (01:36:58):
A boomer brother who's a couple of years older, So
it's only two years difference, but there is a difference.
So he was still like an amazing guy. Yeah, don't
get me wrong. He's still my absolute bloody rock star
and in my world, but a little bit more still,

(01:37:19):
you know, got the shirt on, got the collar and tie. Yeah,
whereas I was just a little bit luckier to be
born a couple of years later and have a bit
more freedom.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
Yeah, but born before the freedom.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Yeah, but born before the you know, you've bequit us
digital online life and social media, which I think is
a big difference.

Speaker 27 (01:37:46):
Yeah, yeah, that makes a difference. But then again, he's
actually a computer program analysts.

Speaker 20 (01:37:54):
If you like.

Speaker 27 (01:37:56):
But yeah, I honestly I do think that gen X,
which I definitely identify with, we really.

Speaker 8 (01:38:04):
Did have.

Speaker 27 (01:38:07):
Nobody really bother about what we're up to. So at
thirteen years older, I'd be out on the street with
my thumb out and my surfboard and back room off
to go for good life.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Wait for the not nearly as much hitchhiking going on
as there was for the Gen X heyday.

Speaker 27 (01:38:25):
Yeah, exactly, And I think that's kind of sad, but
I do understand it. And I've got a son who
is his gyms in and I wouldn't want him doing
the things that I was doing then.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
I mean, thirteen is pretty young, Craig. And what did
your parents say, just be back by Thursday.

Speaker 27 (01:38:42):
I'd say, himum on a Friday. I'll catch up with
you Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Yeah, time to change now.

Speaker 18 (01:38:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:38:50):
I had a girlfriend who was twenty one when I
was fifteen years old.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Yeah, well done.

Speaker 6 (01:38:57):
Well, yeah, I got to say that was cool. Cool.

Speaker 27 (01:39:02):
Well I was cool for that generation. But I do
kind of think that we did have a lot of
just freedom. Really good on.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
You, Craig, thank you for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
So the baby Boomer dates are nineteen forty six to
nineteen sixty five, obviously because that's the boom after the war.
Then Gen X is after sixty five to nineteen eighty yep,
and then then millennials in nineteen eighty one to nineteen
ninety six born.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Yeah, right, yeah, so you're you're pretty much bang in
the middle with gen X.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
You're I'm a big hard gen xer and you're you're
sort of an elder millennial, aren't you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Eighty five? Yeah, I know you're right, and you're right
and right and run in the mix there. Yeah, pretty
close to the middle. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty inst the numbered call.

Speaker 19 (01:39:55):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
I know you guys are told to push Hollywood, but
I can't stand at BEF movies. We're not Hollywood, such
as Lockstock. We're not We're told to take What kind
of conspiracy theory is that? I know you guys, do
you know that?

Speaker 20 (01:40:06):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
You know that we're told to put Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
We are messer from the pocket of back Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
I can tell you, I hope never been told to
push Elliwood in my life. I mean maybe maybe maybe
when there's a particular movie that that we're being paid
to sponsor, but yeah, not so much on this.

Speaker 6 (01:40:21):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
Nineteen ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
In the seventies, my dad used to change his tires
from room to room with the sledge hammer. Then he'd
burned the old ones in the backyard on your dead
it's boomer life.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
That some good stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:40:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
We're going to take a break, but when we come back,
we've got full boards. If you can't get through, keep trying.
It is twenty one to four.

Speaker 5 (01:40:39):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 6 (01:40:44):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
It'd be nineteen to four. We're talking about an article
in the Economists that says Gen X is the forgotten generation.
But they are the ones who stay quiet and just
get stuff done while millennials and boomers scrap it out.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
This text is fantastic. The eighties, many memories, no evidence.
You can say about the nineties as well. Lads back
in my day Mike Carmanuel gave instructions to test the
timing and adjust the tippets. New cars provide a warning
not to drink the liquid and the bettery. May I
rest my case? That's from that?

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
That is pretty good. Yeah, well done, Philip, How are
you mate?

Speaker 25 (01:41:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:41:21):
Good to get now on.

Speaker 18 (01:41:23):
Jen X brought up sixty nine. I was born and
we were probably brought up to be a bit looked
more practical, like because their parents were boomers. So yeah,
you had to do things like, you know, like my
sister and I would come home from school day nineteen
seventy six, I'd have to light the virus and get
them gown and she get digges gown. Today, the new

(01:41:44):
generations they would be like jold abuse if you're ap
to like brush, you know, and there was no, like
you said, no social media, so if you had it,
you know, we go and make trolleys out of old wheels,
off off wheelbearers and old trams and just being some
wood together. I had pine cone fits.

Speaker 25 (01:42:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:42:05):
Pine.

Speaker 18 (01:42:08):
We made a rule man and my mates that we
weren't allowed to use green or closed point cone bad
the open because they really hurt you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
Role part of the Geneva convention.

Speaker 18 (01:42:21):
But even like what the things are the way they
are today, often think I'm glad I was brought up
in that generation to be a bit more resilient because
the headlines, you know, these new generations just cry about
too much stuff. We've just got to be practical and get.

Speaker 4 (01:42:38):
On with what.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Yeah, Philip, this narrower day that goes by without Tyler
crying about something in the studio as a millennial.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
Yeah, I mean it's would it hurts you to bring
some more tissues and mate, you know I need those.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
This Texas says, I think the younger generations are prudes
compared to boomers. As a boomer, I was topless at
the beach and brallus the rest of the time. But
my granddaughter tries that now and is criticized.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
Good point, very good point.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Boomer is more topless at the beach than current days.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
Well, nobody should be criticized by doing that these days.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
I I'm a boomer and just wrote an article on
gen Z how they're least prepared for the AI revolution.
They lack the emotional intelligence, are fragile, and won't even
pick up the phone. Cheers Peter. I mean I was
reading the Central interesting article. You know, we heard about
the knowledge economy for the longest time. We say, oh,
we don't need engineering and manufacturing and all that hard
stuff and that practical stuff. Let's become a knowledge economy.

(01:43:28):
And a lot of Western countries did that, and then
what does AI replace the knowledge economy?

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
So the generations that weren't taught how to do practical
things the practical things and now the things that need
to be done, and that's where the economy has to go,
because yeah, AI can do the knowledge economy, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
Exactly replicating our brains. Get a mic. How are you
very good? You're a seventies kid, yeah, man, And I pretty.

Speaker 28 (01:43:54):
Much agree with everything from the previous people that have
heard so far about you know, we're just we're up
to the gate people. I remember back there, man, parents.
These days we get locked up for shit that our
parents dust did. Yep, you know, like there was a
guy there to go go there for a few days. Well,

(01:44:14):
I had a boat when I was twelve, when I
was thirteen, and we come home school holidays and things,
and with another friend. His dad had a house boat
and we were allowed to use that and we'd tow
it out to an island up in the day of
violence and stay out there for our whole school holidays
and learn how to drink, roll cigarettes, roll dope.

Speaker 18 (01:44:36):
You know.

Speaker 28 (01:44:36):
We just we learned a lot, a lot of life skills.
But the thing was, our parents always knew where we
were because everyone up there, virtually everyone up there, the
parents had a boat and someone was out there, they
knew where we were, we were located, so you know,
it's just so much life lessons that we learned us

(01:44:59):
in that era.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
You say, well, and did you was one of the
things you said that you learned out there when knew
how old was rolling dope?

Speaker 19 (01:45:06):
Yeah, it was everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
Yeah, rolling to jay.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
If you don't know how to do that, mate, you
know you you know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
You're rolling a big cabbage bomber out there or what.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Pretty much good life skills, good life skills cut on
your mic. Yeah, you loved a good childhood, mate. There's
so many ticks that have come through on this. That's
a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Gen X here social media was my mum. Shou'd always say,
remember wherever you are, there's always someone there who knows you,
who knows me, And she was right, Yeah, I mean
I didn't know anyone that had a key to their
house when when for gen X. So when we got home,
we just sort of had to climb up up this
kind of part of it onto this deck over the

(01:45:50):
roof to get in through the window that was always
laid open, and there was never.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
Anyone home, yeah, but never any issues.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
But yeah, but now it's because I think it's absolutely
insane people that say that you can't leave a home
a kid at home until they're fourteen. I mean kids
should be allowed to be should be able to be
at home from when there's six.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
It was resilience and as a previous caller Seedge, you know,
when you get home the fire, get the veggies on before.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Well, Jonathan Hype keeps talking about that that unsupervised childhood
is the most about the most important thing you can
get for resilience and ingenuity and all those those kind
of things. So as a parent now, I mean, you know,
people complain about the next generation, but as a lot
of people are texting through, previous generations are responsible for
the state of the current generations, you know, because they've

(01:46:31):
set that, They've set the table for them exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
It's a snowball effect. Paul, how are you mate?

Speaker 14 (01:46:38):
Well, yeah, listen, I'm a boomer and I don't think
they're leading, but they're doing a hell of a good
job keeping up. And I say that in the fact
that when I was a kid, I learned to dan
socks and jackets and jerseys. They're still doing it now.
My daughter brings her stuff to me to do. We've
learned to this and everything. And as for the fire
as well, that was a standard. We used to walk
with our trolley nearly six kilometers into Henderson to get

(01:47:00):
wood on those horrible weekends we used to have back
in the day and there was nothing. It was more
of an adventure because Mom would say, how what should
you see on to get the wood? All the stuff
we got up to on the way home.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
Yeah, you love that. So we where were getting the
wood front, Paul, Was there actually like a wood shop
that you had to walk?

Speaker 14 (01:47:17):
No, we used to get it from Frank Rad such
as garage back in the day. He had a garage
in Henderson and Frank pod Yeah, there's poor Redicus, the
motive driver comes from. It was Frank was his old man.
So we used to get from there and has for
trolleys and stuff. Well, if he didn't have a trolley

(01:47:37):
race in an accident at least three times a month.
And Henderson, you weren't doing very well for yourself, you know,
you weren't very busy. We you know, we did a
lot of stuff. And then as from when I grew
up in my late teens, taking vet up the part
and putting them back together again and mark to Zeffis
is our other favorite hobby. You know, I had a
lot of friends and I we did that sort of stuff.

(01:47:57):
Can't find kids to do that nowadays. I mean, my
daughter brings me quite a bit about stuff. You know,
she's in Australia and call it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
So what do you think?

Speaker 25 (01:48:06):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
Why do you think that the boomers haven't passed down
that information and that skill to those skills to Gen
X and millennials.

Speaker 14 (01:48:18):
I think, well, person, my daughter she's only twenty six,
so she's going on twenty seven. But it's very hard
to teach kids that age how to do anything these
days because yeah, you know, it's where you will you not?
You know, you try to show and something and are
you going to wear that that sort of carry on
where boys are a little bit different.

Speaker 20 (01:48:37):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:48:38):
I've got a lot of an older boy and he's
very talented with anything he builds and anything to do
with his hands, very good, you know. I mean I
learned computers late in the game, but that's what I
work in now. I mean that I've got some what
you call it gen x's that are below me and
their age group, but shit, they're good with what they do,
and it's really good working with him because anything I

(01:49:00):
don't understand, they quickly bring me up to speed. And
I've passed it on to people that don't work in tech,
So you know, I think they're leaving, but I think
they're keeping up really well. And go twenty years from now.
It's a different story again, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
Yeah, well, I mean that's the kind of thing though
about the generations though, is that you know, you go
through stages of life, and I think we've talked about
this show before. These Roman letters. I was reading from
ancient Rome and it was older people just complaining about
how slack and zoned out and no focus and weak
the young people were in ancient Rome. So it's the

(01:49:37):
same story. Yeah, you know, you know, you take on
responsibilities in life and your mindset changes.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
Yep, absolutely right. The text numbers nine two nine two.
We'll get a few of those before we got to
play some messages. This one being outside makes me think
how it was nothing to just disappear ride bikes around
the street in town with your mates. If that happened today,
there would be a panic and a search party. Phil
gen X born nineteen sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
Eminem just this is Texter. Yeah, I mean eminem is
one of the great Genix inventions. Yeah, Deja video. A
lot of people texting. Yeah, that's great genius.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Yea, yeah, that's pretty good, pretty good in this one here,
your current caller might remember the Dalwood of trolley racers
and Henderson. Apparently trolley racing very big in Henderson for
the boomers.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Wow. Yeah, trolley racing. Yeah, I mean we did a
bit of that. The gen X was doing a bit
of trolley racing absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
Yeah. Right. We'll get to maybe a few more messages
in a few moments, but we're going to play some
messages now. It is nine minutes to foullback very soon.

Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk,
zi'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Six to four. So many techs have come through. A
few more here, get a lads. I think you've been
a bit tough on some of us millennials. On a millennial,
especially US eighties born ones, we grew up without social
media and phones, and we still managed to experience what
it was like to play outside until the street lights
came on.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Someone's saying a lot of the reason I Gen X
and millennials aren't quite as good at some stuff as
birth control coming and so they're more focused on other stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Yeah, yeah, very true. I mean there's a lot of
truth to that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Well, I mean the boomers exist because you know, those
coming back from the war, we're very focused on stuff
without birth control. Wuldn't they hints that that massive boom?

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
Yeah, hence the name. Yeah, right, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
So this is a text that's been sent through about
ten times. Hard times make strong men. Strong men make
good times, good times make weak men, and weak men
make hard times. What where are we in there? Are
we in the weak men making hard times for the gens?
Well no, so hard times make strong men? So would
that be the generation before boomers? Strong men make good times,

(01:51:55):
good times make weak men, and weak men make hard times.
So are we in the weak men making hard times?
Face here?

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
It feels like that, yeah generations? Yeah, yeah, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
All right, thank you so much for listening to the
show today. We have had a fantastic time. I hope
you've enjoyed it. Thank you so much for all your
fantastic calls. The Matt and Tyler full show podcast will
be out very soon. The very powerful Heatherdoper c Ellen
is up next. But Tyler, right now, Why am I

(01:52:28):
playing this particular song by bj Thomas?

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
Beautiful song, but obviously you got no idea?

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Well, because Robert Redford passed away and the song famously
composed for Butcher Cassidy and the Sundance.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
Great choice, beautiful song, great man.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Real counter to the movie. You know, a lot of
people thought it wasn't quite right for sort of a
hard nosed Western.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Iconic song. Alright, wherever you are, what have you're doing?
Give him a taste of key.

Speaker 15 (01:52:58):
We love you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
See you tomorrow afternoon for another edition of Matt and
Tyler Afternoons. Rip will be so much Charrisna Yeah, good
luck a man still making great films in twenty eighteen,
legend such as All Is Lost.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
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