Full Show Podcast: 18 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:53):
The big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Talks EDB Today to you. Welcome into Thursday show. Thank
you so much for giving us a listen. Hope you're
having a great day. Get a Matt, get a Tyler Now.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
While other broadcasts across this country are you know on
the ghost slow counting the hours at the end of
the year, not asked Tyler, We're going hard. I pictured
this as the sprint to the finish line at the
end of a marathon, you've saved up a little bit
of energy and you just fang it through, running across
the line like Tom Cruise with pointed hands in the air,

(01:32):
giving it one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, boy, if anything, we're picking up the pace exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Hey, you know my dog Colin, Yes, did you know
that he You know, he's a little dog. He's a snack,
which is a mini Snail's a jack Russell cross.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
He's a good looking boy, he is.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
But did you know he's a killer and that I
could make money with him in the dog fighting circuit?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Do you know? I suspected as much, Matt, But I'm
keen to hear what's going on with Colin.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, I was at this Christmas function and there was
this other dog there, a slip little dog called Fergus,
beautiful little dog, and Colin was there. In the secret center,
someone won a little squeaky dog toy Santa Claus right yep,
And so my son offered it to Colin, and Colin

(02:19):
went just turned his nose up at it. And so
my son gave the secret center squeaky dog toy to
Fergus fair and Colin never seen anything like it before,
jumped up and jumped on the back of Fergus and

(02:39):
grabbed the back of his neck and went freaking crazy
and wrestled the center off and then then just put
it down and went back and was chilled out.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
He's not mucking around. See the reason I said, I
suspect this is when we looked after Colin, and we
loved looking after him for a week sleepover. But you remember, mate,
when Colin came in and he was very happy and
had a nice cuddle with him. Then he saw Pepper,
my dog, and Pepper's a big dog, and he looked
at Pepper, looked at her bowl and just went straight

(03:11):
over and devoured oils, devoured all of their food, and
then looked around and say, what are you going to
do about it?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
He's a nine point two kg alpha.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
People was terrified. People were just like, I'm not going
to mess with this guy. But guy is ready for action.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I tell you what it was. I've got to say,
it's a little bit embarrassing. It's always embarrassing if you
know a member of your family physically assaults the member
of another family at a get together. And Fergie is
a lovely, lovely, little wisty. But Fergie was handed as
beans by Colin and so yeah, I mean, if you're
running an underground dog fighting wrang or anything, then just

(03:49):
give me a yell. I reckon, I reckon. We could
have a Nix Champ on her hands.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Colin's on the undercard right to today's show. He is
a good boy after three good boy, yeah, very good
after three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Actually was a very bad boy briefly, but then he's
back to being a very good boy.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Now he's a good boy, Colin. All right, after three o'clock.
We want to even chat about fake reviews. This was
after staff at the infomercial retailer behind brands such as
Thin Lizzy and transform a Ladder. You'd know them well,
it has been found to have posted fake online reviews
while the company hid negative feedback from customers. So they've
been given a bit of a serve by the Commerce Commission.

(04:27):
This is a little bit outrageous, fake five star reviews
populating websites on a particular product that you're eying up.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
I'm very suspicious of the reviews on the official sites
of retailers, very very suspicious of them, especially if they're
all five star and they're all glowing, and they're all
sort of sound similar.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, very suspicious telltale sign you need to see because
a certain percent of the population hate everything.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
They've got chronic dissatisfaction syndrome. So even the best best product,
some ahole is going to give it a one out
of five.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
So if you're not seeing a spectrum of star ratings,
then I get suspicious.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Right, yeah, I mean four.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
There's some people that won't hand out a five to
anything in their life ever.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Because that's perfection.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, yeah, some people look at it like that. They go,
there's this archetype of the most perfect vacuum cleaner in
the world, and nothing will ever reach that. You know,
these are sort of Socrates types. But and so so
you know, if you don't see any anything below five,
then I get very suspicious.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Massive rig flag. But we're going to have a chat
to you about that after three o'clock. Do you trust
the online reviews and do you care after.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Two o'clause I will not be tasering Colin.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I will not be He could take it, though, Colin,
to be honest, he'd take it very well.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
He take the taser off me and tas me.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
That true right after two o'clock and we want to
have a chat about boredom. It's a great story published
today and it looks on why we've become so uncomfortable
with boredom, especially for kids, and argues that constantly fill
in every moment with activities or screens can actually backfire.
Experts say boredom gives the brain space to rest, reflect
and spark creativity, and there's a big push for aherents

(06:08):
if they can over summer to try and ditch the
screens and.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Let it can be bored Yeah, I think boredom is
a hugely important part of life. It's where where the
most genius ideas come from. It's wheen your mind has
to be engaged to try and get yourself out of
the boardom. So, if this is true and boredom is
really good for children, are you willing to, you know,

(06:33):
not allow them to have devices in the car when
you're driving on holiday and just steer out the window.
Are you willing to do that? Are you willing to
put up with the punching and kicking between kids in
the Backsit it's a tough decision for parents are you
willing and wide appearents think it's their job to entertain
their kids. That was my parents at no point ever
thought that it was their job to entertain me. There
was never any entertainment on. As a result, I found

(06:56):
entertaining things to do, like halving rocks at trees and
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
That's a fun time. It's a really fun time. That's
going to be a great chat after two o'clock, because
right now, let's have a chat about the discount system
within our courts. After former Deputy Please Commissioner Chief A.
Mc skimming was sentenced to nine months home detention yesterday,
his lawyer did say his client had a pornography addiction
that simply overwhelmed him. But the fifty two year old
earlier pleaded guilty to those charges of possessing objection of

(07:21):
all material. So looking at those sentence, seeing those discounts
rather twenty five percent for the guilty plea, fifteen percent
for rehabilitation efforts, ten percent for remorse and previous good character.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, so they set they set a line at that
at the top, that's what judges do, and then they
they take these discounts off. But the discounts off meant
that it went low enough that he was given home detention.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
And the reasons for giving home detention can be slightly
controversial as well. You know, sometimes home detention is given
to protect the guilty party from what could happen to
them in prison.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Absolutely, But what do you think about it?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
What do you think about this? What do you think
of the punishment in general? Is it fair? Nine months
home detention? Also? What do you think about these discounts
in general?

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Wait, I personally questioned question the logic of them, and
I'll say why as we go through the show, But
at first I'd rather hear other people have to say it.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Let's get into this. I eight, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that numbers? Matt said? Ninety two ninety
two is the text number? So how do you feel
about that nine months home detention and the discount system
as well? Does it seem right to you as a
system working? Let's get into it. It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons excuse talks.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
It'd be very good afternoons you. So we're talking about
the discount system within our courts after the sentence of
home detention of nine months for geven mcskimming o eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. So just quickly those discounts again
twenty five percent for the guilty plea, which is pretty
stock standard. It was fifteen percent for rehabilitation efforts, in
ten percent for remorse and good care.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Vanessa, welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Hi.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
I think I think in some respects it can have
an advantage for the people, But where's the discount for
the victims?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
So are you speaking generally generally on the discount team, Yeah,
generally on the discounting.

Speaker 6 (09:29):
I think, Okay, if someone pleads guilty, you know, okay,
they by pleading guilty, you're admitting that, yes, you did
do whatever you did, and okay, get a discount for that.
But by the time these people actually get to court,
there could be you know, a year, it could be longer.

(09:49):
It's and there's nothing for the victim. It's all about
the person who committed the crime, and the victim's almost forgotten, yes,
and doesn't get a discount. The victim doesn't get any recreate,
any reparation.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
And it's it's.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Tough, yeah, because I mean it all comes down to
the question of what matters more, whether it's punishment, deterrence, rehabilitation,
public trust in this in this case. But yeah, I
mean it does seem by the time we get descendancing,
you know that the judge, arguably, when they're setting the

(10:29):
starting point, you know that that's what this The judge
is supposed to set a starting point that's based on
the seriousness of the offending and the harm caused and
and so before the discount start. So you would hope
that the judge at the starting point takes into account
the damage that has been committed to the you know,

(10:51):
the complaint of the victim. Yeah. But that's an interesting
question because often we look at the starting point that
the judge takes and we go, well, does that does
that line up fairly with what's happened to the victim?

Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yeah, And I don't my not just on this case,
but there never seems to be inconsistency, I think, yeah,
And that's the hard thing. It's like, you might be
our first time getting caught, but how many other times
have you not been caught.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
That's a good point, yeah, And I think when you
talk about the judge's discretion, then there is discretion after
that starting point. And I think you know, we've heard
about the victim impact statements that sometimes get read out
in court, and some judges may hear that, and if
the victim says it's important to us that you throw
the book at this person or come down as hard
as you possibly can, some judges will take that into consideration.

(11:48):
Others will not, and they'll look at those other factors
and say, I hear what you're saying, but I am
going to give a discount because they have made rehabilitation efforts.
So I think you, yeah, there's a big difference there
between the judge's point of view.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
To go back to your point, er Vanessa, about how
many times this person is offended. What do you think
because there is an often of five to ten percent
discount for previous good character, which is, you know, supposed
to be weighed against the serious offending. How does that
sit with you? Because I assume when they're weighing in
previous good character, it's suggesting that they haven't offended correct

(12:24):
a lot in the past.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
Or they may yes, because they haven't been caught.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
So so their previous good character is really just what
you know.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
It's only what you know, Yeah, and so it is, Yeah,
you don't know unless you go digging for you know,
what they like, what an employee does when they look
at on Facebook and things like that. But it's still
not going to tell you what they've truly been doing.
And if they have done stuff in the past and

(12:59):
just not been caught, then it's it is hard to
put that kind of discount in play when how do
you know what their past like?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Do you think a past punishment helps a victim and
their family move on? Do you think that it's you know,
I'm looking for the words, gives some closure.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
I think in some cases potentially, yes, Like I suppose
it varies. Like a drunk driver, if they had offended
more than once, and they shouldn't get any discount at all.
Whether they they just got caught in the past and

(13:45):
then eventually their time came where they actually killed someone,
they shouldn't get any discount whatsoever.

Speaker 8 (13:51):
But if you've got.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
Someone, yeah, I mean, I know you have different victim
victims and families that I suppose it depends on the
crime yeah. I mean I'm talking we've got in our area,

(14:14):
we've got a person that has been on home detention,
and if everyone was like that person, what an amaze
Like the amount of work this person has done on
themselves over the time has been amazing, never once breached bail,
been a wonderful neighbor. And that person actually just got

(14:40):
in a bad place, got caught up in something stupid,
admitted it to it, and that person I've seen genuinely
work on them and they had the I think where
they meet the victim, and that person was straight up
front about that and wanted to meet them and apologize

(15:01):
and was genuinely sorry. Not everyone's like that, but there
are the few out there who.

Speaker 8 (15:07):
Are like that.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Vanessa, If you don't mind me asking what what what
kind of crime was it that this person in your
in your general neighborhood was convicted of.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
I haven't actually asked the person, but I think.

Speaker 8 (15:21):
It was more.

Speaker 6 (15:25):
I genuinely haven't asked them, but it was enough to
that they've been two years, but it took them two
years to get to court.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Right. It's interesting with the rehabilitation before the sentence sing
because if you're smart and you know they you know
that the courts claim to be very cautious around you know,
box ticking, you know, just to try and reduce the sentence.
But anyone that is getting good advice or you know, is.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Clever, they can work.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Then they will go immediately start doing some kind of rehabilitation.
And you say it takes a while for things to
go to court, so straight off the bat, you know,
one visit to the lawyer there then getting involved in
some kind of rehabilitation worth that discounted mind. So it
must be very hard to work out what is real
attempts at rehabilitation and what is just attempts to get

(16:18):
a lower sentence.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, yeah, and panass where the victims can come in, Vanessa,
You know there is a process. They're a meeting with
the victims. If the victims are not happy with the
remorse or the so called rehabilitation, perhaps that could come
into it.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Thank you so much for your call, Vanessa, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call, love to hear your thoughts about the discount
system we have in our courts. It is twenty four
past one.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
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Speaker 3 (17:23):
Talks d B twenty seven past one, and we are
talking about the discount system within our courts. On the
back of je Jeva Mcskimming receiving nine months home detention,
he did receive fifty percent discounts from the starting point
of three years.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Gar says skimming sentence is going to be carried out
in his head. He's a prisoner inside his own mind.
He will do nine months at home, then he has
to walk amongst us, people will know him. That's when
his true punishment will start. The shame, the regret will
really start to home. So the nine months home d
is irrelevant my view. It's his future life that will

(17:57):
be the punishment. Gars.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
I mean a lot of truth in that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
He will be notorious for the rest of his life yep. Unemployable, Yeah,
and looked down upon by all, a potential pariah amongst us.

Speaker 8 (18:13):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
The ramifications will live long past that nine month Ryan
see has Matt and Tilam skimming sentence fits with the system.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Some years ago a guy pulled a knife on me
in my taxi. He got four months home detention. Great system.
A merry Christmas, Brian, thank you for your text. Liz,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (18:30):
Hi, how are you. I'm just I've got this push
down really against just nine months and that guy for
the TV and tended up. I was so I am
so peed up about it all the guy and these
things aren't being talked about. He is was the top
cop of New Zealand. He had a position of trust.

(18:52):
He was in line with like the Prime Minister in
the way of importance and people up there that would betrayed.
And then we're to study of tear to his his
legal job that he had to do uts of people.
And I want to read this to you. He was
He pleaded guilty to three representative charges of possessing of

(19:17):
digital publications mainly child digital exhortations and bestiality. You can't look,
I was sixually abused as a child by my father
in his nineties. He was still inappropriate and out of line.
They don't rehabilitate and nine months the starting point should

(19:41):
have been three years. In fact, why wasn't it longer?
Why aren't they bringing in all of these things? You know,
your head of the pleat should the top up?

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 8 (19:53):
Can't trust him.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
We can hear your anger and a lot of people
will be feeling the same way you are and so
sorry what what happened to you. But I will say, though,
I think that may be a problem with the legislation
when the starting point is three years, that would be
in the legislation and then the judge's discretion around the discounts.
But I think a lot of people would agree with
you that for a crime like this, which makes a

(20:15):
lot of us disgusted. Perhaps the starting point maybe, you know,
should have.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Been one of Well, the judge has a bit of discretion,
you know, if I understand the law correctly, that the
judge has a bit of discretion on what the starting
point is and bases that on the seriousness of the offending,
what harm they believe has been caused, the culpability, you know,
and and factors such as you'll bring up Liz, like

(20:38):
the breach of trust and such, so you know there
is there is a higher level of trust, as you say,
Liz and someone in his position, then there might be
for other people.

Speaker 8 (20:50):
Well, yeah, it was a cop on a load you know,
just started. That's not going to make public news. But
this man was the top police in New Zealand and
he owed us, he owed every New Zealander to be
clean and decent. And I just want to tell you
something about child expect explosion and beast reality. A child

(21:12):
or an animal is getting to it and you can't
go away from that. So how many times did he
look at those children? You'll never know. But so him,
he had it, he already had it hidden. But another
point is he used the devices at his work.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
What would Yeah, what would justice? Yeah, what would justice
look like for you?

Speaker 8 (21:40):
Lis Oh ten fifteen years at the beginning?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, I think if you call this appreciate it. So
the judge, Judge Black, noted that the majority of images
viewed were it was, it was all redacted what they
actually were, but the majority of images involved adults, but
a significant mon entirety was of child sex chipsul abuse,
and the judge said the viewing of such material contributes

(22:07):
to the ongoing what would appear to be almost insatiable
demand for such material, which in turn creates untold real
harm and misery two thousands and thousands of children each year. So,
you know, basically saying viewing such materials fuels demand that
causes real harm to children. Yeah, because if no one's
looking at it, then people aren't going to be producing it.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
So you if you're looking at this stuff, then you're
creating a market for it. Is why, you know, which
is because you know, there's a few people saying that
there wasn't a victim in this that there was, you know,
because because you're creating the demand for these kind of
things to be created.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
You certainly are. Yeah, Liz, I really appreciate you giving
us a call and thank you very much for your thoughts.
Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Love to get your thoughts on the discount
system within our courts. Headlines with rayling coming up, it's
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Speaker 3 (24:20):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we are talking
about the discount system within our courts. It's on the
back of Jebamick skimming been sentenced in nine months home detention.
He was given a whole raft of discounts and e
caulled up to fifty percent altogether, but twenty five for
pleading guilty, fifteen for rehabilitation efforts and ten for good
character previous good character. I should say and remorse. So

(24:42):
what do you say? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
So, as Phil rightly points out, so Liz was saying
he was the top cop in the country. But you know,
her point still stands that he was a person in
a position of high trust, yes, in the country. But
of course he was the former Deputy police Commissioner yeap
so to clarify he wasn't the top cop.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Here.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
The sixth says, Hi, guys that Ahole should be have
been jailed with mungrel mob. He shouldn't be out for Christmas.
Crooked legal system and cops.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
It's from Joy, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, so it'd be interesting. I don't know this, but
because the starting point was three years, and I believe
you can get home detention if you're under three years,
So the discount got them into the position where he
could get home detention. But I don't know anything about this,
So this is ranks bitch of speculation. But I wonder
if it's if home detention, whether the idea of how

(25:34):
well he'd go in prison was taken into account.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, there is a band.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
I don't imagine him going very well in prison if
he was in there.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, but you're right, there is a band, and I
think it may have changed. But once they hit that band,
then they can start looking at the home detention option
instead of prison, and clearly he fell into that. Once
he hit eighteen months, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call Helen how are you today,
Oh yeah.

Speaker 12 (25:57):
Hi will. I feel quite sick over this. Despite what
the judge said about, you know, the victims, it's kind
of comes across as sort of pretty much it's a
victimless crime, and anybody like that will be just sighing
relief that they can just have nine months at home

(26:19):
and all the comforts a home that doesn't seem to
be any restrictions on computer use. I can understand that
people on home detention can go shopping and have visitors, so,
you know, if it's a problem, if they're really worried
about him being imprisonated, remove him to a house on
the present site for instance. That doesn't seem to be

(26:43):
any requirements for him to have ongoing therapy or anything
like that. And I really do doubt that he's behabilitated. Now.
One thing I've been wondering is because he's done home detention,
does that mean that he might not qualify for a
clean slate after seven years, And whether he's going to

(27:07):
be able to travel, because if he's I believe it's
really ingrained, he could just go overseas at the end
of the sentence and run keetpar rings and carry on
his merry ways overseas. So I don't think this is
any punishment at all. Really, I think it's disgusting. So
I'd like something to find out if that's if he

(27:28):
would be able to qualify for clean slate and whether
he would be able to just go overseas.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
It's an interesting question. I will say though, Helen, looking
at the judges notes in this story, and this often
happens in the criminal system, if the judge deems that
person at low risk of reoffending, then that comes to
play as well when it comes to home detention, and
certainly from the judges notes, she labeled Jevin mcskimming at

(27:59):
low risk of reoffending.

Speaker 12 (28:01):
But he's been this is the culture which he was
brought up in, which is not his spots. He said that.
I understand that he said that he had to have
more and more of the stuff to actually feel anything
because he was completely emotionally numb. So I mean, I
doubt that his reasonability I think is it's so ingrained

(28:21):
in him and we need to be coming down harder
on on all this terrible pornography. It's it's just dreadful. Yeah, Helen,
think thousands of children, thousands and thousand.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
It's horrendous, no doubt about that. Yeah, Helen, thank you
very much for giving us a buzz. I really appreciate,
really appreciate your thoughts, and we'll try and find out
about the clean slate system. When it comes to home detention, so.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
No, because because home definention as far as I can
see here, so you're not allowed the clean slate legislation
doesn't doesn't come into effect if you've served a term
present term, and home detention, as as as far as
I can see here, a is considered the same as imprisonment.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Right, Okay, so he's still full under the same law.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
So as far as I can work out from this,
he wouldn't he wouldn't be eligible for the clean slate
situation in seven years. So in terms of his rehabilitation,
the judge thought that he had made some serious efforts
towards towards rehabilitation. And you know, you always ask that
question is why have you done that? Have you done
it because you're actually seriously trying to rehabilitate yourself or

(29:37):
because you want to get at the discount. But I've
read it somewhere before. What was listed in what the
rehabilitation he'd undertaken. There was some faith based staff, there was,
there was quite a bit that he had undertaken.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
I've got it here. So that included an engagement with
a psychologist and twenty five sessions with a faith based therapist. So,
engagement with a psychologist and twenty five sessions with a
faith faith ba based therapist. I mean, argua believe that
if he's taken those steps to go and see a

(30:11):
therapist for twenty five separate sessions.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
So is that where you have a fifteen He got
a fifteen percent reduction on his sentence for significant rehabilitative efforts. Yeah,
so is that you know twenty five sessions?

Speaker 5 (30:26):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Is that included as significant.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
With including sessions with a psychologist and a faith based therapist?
Is that worth fifteen percent?

Speaker 3 (30:33):
It's a lot of gray there, Yeah, I mean I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
And they, as I said before, they you know, the
justice system is is aware of box sticking, as of
course they would be. But how do you know? Yeah,
you know, do you does the I don't know. Do
you ask them do you think this person was why
have they come to you? You ask the psychologist and the
face faith based serious therapist. Do you think this person's

(30:57):
coming to me because they want to rehabilitate or do
you think they're coming to me because they want to
get a discount on their sentence.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, it's a great question, and you'd hope they would
be brought into that sentence process. But if you do, know,
I'd love to hear from you, oh, eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty if you have gone through that
process yourself as a victim, all gone through the courts.
Love to hear from you. Nine two nine twos the text.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Nikola asked question A lot of people are asking, and
I don't have the answer to this. Hi, Matt and Tyler.
Is he allowed any computed phone devices, et cetera? He
is on home detention? I hope not.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I mean, because there's there's lots of cases where you know,
with you know, bail or you know, when you've been
let out of prison, when you have terms what words
escaping right now? But you have but you know, Mark Lundy,
for example, the conditions.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah. Mark Lundy for example, is not allowed to look
up adult material. Yeah, which is quite odd for him
because it's doesn't really relate specifically to the case.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
But you'd hope in this case for Jim mcskimming, absolutely
he should have those conditions. Yeah, yeah, I one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Set number to call back very shortly.
It is sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Lattims taking your calls on. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
The'd be thirteen to two. We're talking about the discount
system in our courts.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Hi, guys, the honest truth about the sentences. It will
cost the tax bar a hell of a lot less,
says this text. If he's on home detention because there
is no prison in New Zealand that he would be safe,
and corrections don't have enough staff. Any young gang members
will want to make a name for themselves to take
him out. Maybe it's better.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, interesting point this.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Frank points out that the Clean Slate Act of twenty
four only works inside New Zealand as far as overseas travel.
They see everything that's from Frank. But yeah, also the
Clean Slate legislation won't help him because you know, even
home detention is considered a prison sentence, which rules you
out this Texas is the whole premise of discounts is flawed.

(33:00):
Do the time do the crime. If it is in
the interest of the public to have things such as
incentivizing guilty, please we better to have a penalty for
not ex guilt as opposed to a discount. How about
not accepting guilt ads twenty five percent? Not engaging in
restorative justice practices adds another fifteen percent. That's from Greg. Yeah,
the whole you know, pleading guilty thing is so bizarre.

(33:23):
So up to a twenty five percent discount for an
early guilty plea smaller discounts if the plea comes later,
and the idea that it saves the victims from going
to trial arguably, and it conserves court resources and shows
acceptance of responsibility. But it gets pretty squirrellly if someone
you know and the courts gets things wrong. Often the

(33:45):
justice system isn't perfect by anyone's There's no one that
thinks the justice system is perfect. You are guilty in
the eyes of the law if you found guilty. And
I'm not talking about this case at all because he
is pleaded guilty. Yes, and I don't think there's any
question around guilt in this case. But if you are
not guilty and you're going through the system, then you

(34:06):
were incentivized to say you are guilty to get twenty
five percent off your sentence. And then you get these
people that refused across their entire time in prison to
admit their guilt and then they find it difficult to
parole on the back of this, and then sometimes we
find out that they were in a sind all along.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, so it has to been many of those cases.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Just seems like a massive logical floor. And I can
understand the idea of you know, saving the money on
the trial and stuff, but just an incentive to twenty
five percent reduction, Yeah, for pleading guilty. There's a lot
of flaws in it, a lot of logical flaws. Right,
we'll take a quick break and come back very shortly.
We have a chat to Russell, who recently supported a

(34:44):
friend being sentenced, so he's gone through this recently.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
That's coming next. It's ten to two.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams
afternoons News Dogs.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Envy very good afternoons.

Speaker 13 (35:00):
You.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
So we're talking about discounts in our court system. After
the sentencing of Gevin mcskimming. He was sentenced to nine months,
but he did get a total of fifty percent discounts
for pleading guilty, for rehabilitation efforts, and for remorse and
previous good character.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah. So the judge's starting point was three years and
then discounted fifty percent. And I got it wrong before.
So the discount so to be considered a home detention,
it must be a prison sentence of two years or less. Right,
So the fifty percent gone down to eighteen months, and
then he was given nine months home detention. Must said

(35:37):
it was three years before, so he wouldn't have been
eligible for home detention if the judge had had stuck
with the starting point and hadn't had any of the discounts.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Interesting, Russell, How are you okay?

Speaker 14 (35:51):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (35:52):
How things very good? You're a good man to chat
to because you've recently gone through this process.

Speaker 14 (35:57):
Well, what an interesting process. One thing, it's really hard
to listen to on the program right now. There are
a number of people who want to ring and completely
condemn and criticize the sentence and skimming and everything else.
I'm not happy with what he did. I think it's
just disgraceful, and I don't support him one little bit.

(36:19):
But a couple of things like skimming will lose probably
three hundred thousand dollars salary. If that was funding his mortgage,
he may well lose that mortgage and end up having
to sell. He may not. He certainly won't be employable
for the next year. So if we work out his
loss and go through that, it could be well over

(36:40):
half a million dollars. But if that was me and
my salary of a pension of thirty thousand, my lost
fact is minimal. Now we're both the same, full blooded males,
will say, with access to the pornography, and so what's
the difference in terms of the sentence. This is where
a judge comes and I recently went through this that

(37:02):
I supported a friend and it was a long process
through this person looked like they could have gone to prison.
But boy, the judge had so many things to look at,
psychological reports, doctors, report work history, character references, previous convictions,

(37:22):
the whole nine yards, And the judge went through every
single facet of that and commented on them. Individually and
then made their decision of discounts. And that's not done
on the day she goes through them or he goes
through them as a judge and chambers over previous days

(37:43):
and week weeks, and they based it on looking at
everyone else's situation. So what is the benchmark either through
Supreme Court, High Court, Court of Appeal, everything's benchmark against
each other. So you can't say, oh, I mean we're
going to lock you up for three years because at
the end of the day, and I'm not defending this,

(38:04):
but there was no sexual abuse. He actually says, to
pornography and if you look at the number of males
that might be calling, and they might be less because
there might be a large number of males and females
probably that have accessed pornography in the last five years
that think, oh, I'll better not ring up.

Speaker 13 (38:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
But as Judge Black said, the viewing of such material
contributes to the ongoing and what would appear to be
almost insatiable demand for such madeal, which in turn creates untold,
real harm and real misery two thousands and thousands of
children every year. So the logic there and is that

(38:46):
you know, whilst it's not a direct link with the
victims that are involved in the material. It is a
it does create the market marketplace, and and you know
the supply and demand situation. So if there's no one
using this and looking at this, then then the then
there wouldn't be the victims. Do you see that logic

(39:07):
in it? Russell.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
I've worked with.

Speaker 14 (39:10):
Children all my life. I one hundred percent agree with you.
There is no question about this. However, let's let's look
at the politicians and let's look at Facebook.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Hey, hey, Russell, so sorry, we've got the news coming
in in about ten seconds, so we'll get if it's
all right, we'll get you back on after the news.
If that's called. We've just run out of time.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah, we're enjoying this, Russell, so stay tuned. We're going
to carry this on our one hundred and eighty ten
eighty News is next.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talk ZID.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.
Seven past two. So we have been talking about discounts
within our court system. On the back of the Gevin
mcskimming sentence, of nine months home detention. So here's a
little bit of Melissa Nightingale. She is a New Zealand
Hero reporter. She was in court throughout the whole process

(40:02):
and therefore the sentence scene, and here she explains to
Ryan Bridge she was on the show yesterday. Little bit
about how the sentence was handed down. Four gremlins, gremlin's
in the system.

Speaker 15 (40:19):
So a judge adopted a starting point of three years
in prison. From there, he's given a bunch of discounts,
the biggest one being a twenty five percent discount for
an early guilty plea. We then had discounts for previous
good character, remorse and significant rehabilitative efforts such as twenty
five sessions with a faith based therapist, engagement with the

(40:43):
psychologist who specializes in sex offenders. With all of those
discounts combined, that brought it down to a sentence of
eighteen months in prison. Once the sentence drops to a
two years prison all below, it's then available to potentially
be switched over to home detention, which he's chosen to
do in this case. Some of the factors were that,

(41:05):
given that Mick Skimming was a well known police officer,
that prison would make him a prime target for extreme violence,
So he's chosen to commute this to home detention, and
when they do that, they have what would have been
the prison sentence because that factor is in when someone
would have become available for parole. So that's gone from

(41:27):
eighteen months prison down to nine months home detention with
six months post release condition. This sentence follows a sentencing indication.
He already knew he wasn't going to jail, so it
wouldn't have come as a surprise to him.

Speaker 16 (41:40):
What about the timing here, So we initially thought that
there was a timeline about when he had looked at
this stuff, but that's changed a little bit.

Speaker 17 (41:48):
What do we know.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
What do we learn today?

Speaker 15 (41:50):
Well, his charges date back for about five years, but
it does say in the police summary of facts that
that is just as far back as the online records go,
so that was as far back as they could pin
him on it. But he has said to a pre
sentence report writer that he first began seeking out objectionable
material in twenty fifteen, so we know he's been trying

(42:14):
to look for this stuff for about a decade, or
at least that's what he's told us.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Melissa.

Speaker 16 (42:17):
I appreciate that up, don't thank you. Melissa Nightingale, who's
with the Herald in Wellington and was in court to day.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Very interesting. So that's a good rundown on the sentence
scene and a little bit more information about his history
with accessing that material.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah. So you know, we don't know exact details of
it going back to twenty fifteen, but you know previous
good character? Was that ten percent off of previous good character?

Speaker 4 (42:41):
It was? Yes?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Is it previous good character if it goes back to
two thousand and fifteen, Yeah, I don't know. Hey, Russell,
welcome back to the show. Thank you for waiting across
the news.

Speaker 14 (42:52):
So that's okay.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Before we left you, you'd recently gone through the process
of seeing how judges make these discounts, and you were
talking you were involved. I assume what you were saying
in the previous good character part of it being a
reference to someone that you knew.

Speaker 14 (43:11):
Yes, this judge looked a long way back, right back
into psychological reports and the history of anything which may
have been a trigger to offending. And one of the
things that comes up every time, and I have worked
with youth justice guys out at a youth justice facility

(43:34):
for quite some years, and it boils down to one word,
and that's addictions. Now, gambling, pornography, all these things, methamphet,
me everything are all addictions. And if we think that
Max Means that one of the few in New Zealand
who is doing what he's doing, I think we're deluded.
There's a very large portion of our population doing right

(43:57):
now as we talk exactly what Means been doing since
twenty and fifteen. So he said he developed an addiction
and he's been found out, and a lot of mail
is probably want to be found out and don't get
found out. But when they do, the old proverbial hits
the fan and there's no way to hide. MC skimming
is marked for life. He could lose a million bucks,

(44:20):
He could lose his family, the respect of his kids,
his wife, his friends, and judges have to weigh all
this against other people in the same boat. And just
because he's a police officer and the trust actors there,
he would get probably what we call an uplift for that.
He may get a ten percent uplift because he's in

(44:41):
a position of power and authority. However, on the other
side that the discounts come in because it wasn't of
any physical abuse. It was purely a porn addiction and
other addictions to other things that we won't name. So
I think when a couple of people rang before and

(45:03):
completely lambasted him and said, oh, he should be locked up,
whit's every well, I would agree we could lock them
up along with all the others in the same boat ash,
but only if they could lock them up at somewhere
like Roliston Timatimer Sex Unit where they would get some
real psychological help. They would be receiving proper care and

(45:26):
attention to deal with their addiction, and then released at
the appropriate time when they it's felt that they are
in a place to be a good, healthy individual, not
just a set Why you've got five years, it's not
about that, It's about addictions. I've had several boys over

(45:46):
the last ten years who I worked without in the
prison system underage, and they probably did ram raids and
everything else, and I've done arm robberies, but the underlying
thing was addiction to methamphetamine. And one owned several addictions
to sexual abuse because they had been abused. They abused

(46:07):
and then the issue gets rarely deep and I wrote
some notes while sitting on the side of the road
about having a healthy person and a healthy society. I
think half the problem is the government. And we've just
now blacklisted all the casinos in the world, so we
have fifteen of them and you cannot now use a

(46:28):
credit card. That's fantastic. So can they not do the
same to paorn hub and all the other hubs? Can
they not do the same to snapchat under sixteen in
Facebook which encourages kids that I've worked with to bully
and have suicides and that sort of thing. So where
is our adult responsibility and all this because it's not

(46:49):
just about MC skimming, it's very deep.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yeah, Russell, if I could just take you back a
step though, So you say it's about addiction, and there is,
you know, you just have to look at the numbers,
you know, of you know, the data numbers of how
much time is spent looking at pornography online New Zealand.
It's huge and there's been so many studies showing how

(47:13):
bad it is for particularly men across across the world.
But isn't there a line? Isn't there a difference because
there's there's addiction to pornography and pornography is in scales,
and so the idea seems a bit strange to me
that an addiction will then lead into the areas that

(47:34):
it led him into, because they seem to be very, very,
very dark areas, and I can't see a straight line
between these. What is I don't know, mainstream pornography, if
there is such a thing, and this stuff that is
looking at illegal and horrible, horrible activity. So there's probably

(47:58):
plenty of There's probably plenty of people out there with
pornography addictions, but I would imagine, and I would hope
very few that have the interest in what he was
interested in. If you see what I'm saying, I'll.

Speaker 14 (48:13):
Help you out a little. I'll turn to the drug scene.
I'm just a recreational drug use of cannabis in the
weekends and just socio. I don't do much, and that's
how they all the boys started. So I've worked with
a lot of teenage boys. I've been at that facility
over the last ten years, and not full time in
the last few but quite a lot part time. I

(48:35):
just smoked a bit of dope and some guy I've
with some pills, and then it went to methamphetamine. And
now I'm completely hooked and I'm doing armed robberies to
get money for meth. So that's one area. The second
one in porners. Look, I've seen those same deals all
the time. They're just boring. I need something more. My brain,
the dopomeanor my brain has not been released at sufficient

(48:58):
levels to satisfy my desires. So I've seen her every week.
She's the same one, So I need more.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Don't you have to have a proclivity to a certain
kind of desire to be looking at the stuff that
he's looking at, like addictions, addiction but but but addictions.
But I don't know that to use your your argument,
So you could get addicted to meth, right, and then

(49:28):
you commit some crimes, and maybe those crimes are a robbery, right,
but then there's then then then that then a murder
comes into it. If you've there's lines of where the
addiction leads you, right, And I would believe that there
would with the majority of people that could get addicted
to this kind of material, material would never have the

(49:50):
interest in the No matter what, it seems like a
different pathway to me. It seems like you've you've you've
veered off into a pathway that only a very few
amount of people would be interested in or might just naive.

Speaker 14 (50:03):
Probably we but that you're right that there are only
some people who'd be interested in that side. But we
have switches in our genetic makeup, and that switch says, look,
I need more. What about the beastia? Oh no, no, I
don't go down that line. I might go down this line.
And so there are a number of lines that addiction

(50:24):
can take you down. It's just like gambling can take
you down to fraud. And we've all seen those where
all of a sudden, I'm going to rip off the
company for a million bucks and oh I never would
have done that five years ago. But addiction leads to
the next addiction. But some of these boys that I've
worked with, they carry guns. They carry guns, and none

(50:46):
of them, I mean one or two might have fired them.
But when it gets to the point where I'm like
the video I saw last night on Facebook with the
Indian the guy who attacked the two ram raiders, Well,
if they had a gun, they might have thought, OK,
got I shoot them. I'm going to get hurt, I'll
shoot and they shot. That leads to them at least

(51:06):
I got all the tobacco, babe, and it leads to
the next level. And I got away with that boy.
That was an adrenaline rush. I need another rush. Addiction
has to be cured. And what we don't have is
we don't have psychologists or psychiatrists in Auckland, Wellington or
christ Church that can cope. Especially christ Church. It's diabolical.

(51:27):
There are no psychologists or psychiatrists available to treat new
patients and sexual abuse, gambling, all those sorts of addictions
are that it's not there. You ring ACC like I
have for one other person I was assisting with. Wait
the three years, we still haven't got there. That person
is still off the rails. ACC can't do it.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yeah, Russell, thank you very much. Some interesting thoughts one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. I mean, look, just I
hear what Russell was saying, and definitely hear what you're saying.
But when it's that pornography addiction, and I we've probably
all know someone who's got that addiction to pornography. But
whether as you say, that steps into the barrier of
losing what you know is write and ethical and moral

(52:15):
because you have an addiction to me, addiction for most
people would mean something like watching it for seven hours
a day, or you know, you lose your responsibilities because
you need that dopamine hit. But going into where he
was going into it just doesn't compute to me. I
don't think that is an articulate version of pornography addiction.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, as this Texas says, pornography, isn't it illegal. Pornography
is legal. It's the type of pornography that he was
into that's illegal. Judge Black noted that the majority of
images viewed were it doesn't say what they were, but
involved adults, but a significant minority was child sexual abuse.
And I understand what Russell was saying about addiction, but

(53:01):
I just don't think that becoming addicted to pornography leads
people in a direct path towards looking at child's sexual
abuse material.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Because most of us would not get any sort of
dopamine hit from that sort of material because it discussed us.
So it is a proclivity for a very small minority
of people who form into that addiction to go into
that realm.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
And as Russell agreed that you know, by the demand
for such material leads to the misery, which comes about
from people creating that material because of the demand. So
but yeah, I mean what Russell says about addiction. I
mean addiction it does terrible damages to individuals in all
of society, and we don't understand it in the way

(53:49):
that would be helpful, and we don't have the resources
to deal with it.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah, interesting conversation. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number of call love to hear your thoughts.
It is twenty one past two.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Your home of afternoon Talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
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Speaker 3 (54:09):
There be having a very interesting discussion about the sentence
scene of Jevin mc skimming. So we have been talking
about the discount system and are their problems with it?
But also we as Russell was alluding to, being talking
about the addiction side of pornography in relation to this case.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah, and you know, the majority of the stuff he
was looking at was adult pornography and we could have
our discussion about that. And a lot of people are
texting in band porn, Pawn's band and Vietnam band here
and stuff. But I just think that there's pornography and
then there's the stuff that he was looking at with children,
and I just don't think they're the same thing. I
think the discussions have had about pornography, but I think

(54:49):
the discussions to be had about the stuff he was
looking at is totally different. It's it's a it's so
dark and so horrible that I don't think it's a
straight line. I don't think that you just get more
and more addicted in that you ended up in that
kind of area. I think that you must have some

(55:11):
interest in it, yeah, some kernel of interest in it that.
I think a lot of people look at pornography, but
I think ninety nine point nine percent and I might
be naive here, would not consider that pornography. They would
not consider it interesting in any way, and not get
the dopamine hits that they get from pornography.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
From that kind of stuff, it would discuss most people.
And I think that's the difference. Right, nine two ninety
two is the text number. We've got plenty coming through,
and O eight hundred and eighteen eighty is the number
to call as well.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
The particular pornography this man was busted with is another
level most addicted to regular pawn would still never go
down that path as that is a completely different path.
Yet that that Hester has put it what I was
trying to say much more discinct, Like I was all
over the stop with what I was trying to say.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Keep those texts coming in. We're going to take a
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Speaker 1 (56:09):
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Speaker 3 (56:15):
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Speaker 2 (56:18):
Now your thoughts on all of this. It's complex, but
give it your best go.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
Yes, it is an incredibly complex So I had enough
credits to go and study just criminal law because I
was interested in it, the ways and where we needed
to go and what ended up happening. I didn't end
up getting bound by the law for the very reason that.

Speaker 8 (56:44):
It is.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
It is every every case is based on who's sitting
in front of you and the judge, of meaning the judge.
And for me, I have I write the position so
someone will give me the summary effects. I will get
both sides of the story, and I will pull it
apart because I love the investigation side of it. It's
not the fact that I want to get someone off

(57:07):
a charge. It's the fact that, yes, you may be guilty,
but where in the law can I pick apart something
that will take away you know, take away your left
charge or whatever. And with this whole case, it's dare

(57:28):
I say it? But money and power does buy a
lot of clout in in the justice system. And I've
seen it.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
How does it? How does it? How does it buy
you clout?

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Mel?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Is it is it that you have the you know,
the advice to do the things, jump into you know,
the rehabilitation early so you can get those discounts. Is
it is? It is that that area where you get
the clout, you get the advice that leads you to
these discounts. You see that is.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
That that that is that is the the the right
way to do things. So you know that you're about
to go and get a charge, so be it a
drink crime in charge. Let's just grow that because it's
easy for me. You go and before your sentence, you
go and get your year. You're going to a whole
lot of you know, rehabilitation courses. You set yourself out

(58:23):
to do this that the next thing, right, you can
then go there and you can get yourself a discount
because you're going to go in and done those things,
which is great and that's fantastic, but you've kind of
already been out on the road doing that, and so
because the justice system is so backed up that they

(58:44):
can't actually get to you. And it is a good
thing that you do good things. But I've got a
case that's going on at the moment with it with
a child and a mother who has been incredibly put
into a situation where not only is the lies and
those sorts of things, it's the Court of Appeal have

(59:04):
accepted her as a stuff vitigant against what the High
Court and the Family Court have done. And so I
guess it is all about who you know, what you know.
It's about a boys club or girls club, however you
see it. It's about putting yourself out there and doing

(59:25):
a bunch of things. But the problem is is that
you've done in an offense. And because the justice system
is so backed up, you can go and do all
these little things to get yourself a little bit of
you know, not for me, I can get some time off.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
But you play the system. You play the system how
it can be played. But the argument from Russell about
the court of public opinion, and I can understand that
argument that when someone does have a big public profile
and they're very well recognized, like Javin mcskimming, his life
is in tatters and it will be probably for the
rest of the time he's on this planet. So the

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judge arguably may take that into account. Do you think
that is a fair thing to do?

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
But a grown a grown man should know what is wrong.
You would think a grown man should know what is
right or wrong. It's like a young woman going into
a situation who is beautiful and goes into a bar
knowingly that they are either under age or not under age,
and puts themselves into a situation where there's drinking and
there's men and there's a party, and then all of

(01:00:31):
a sudden something goes wrong. If you are so naive
to the fact that you don't think the possibility of
something going to happen is not sitting in your mind, then.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I mean, but in that case, what about whatever about
the naivete It's like the person that has committed the
crime against that person still, whether someone's naive or not,
the blame still sits heavily with the person that has
committed the crime.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Right, I agree, and I absolutely agree. But in this
and age, you walking yourself into a situation where there's
a party, there's booze, there's drugs, or there is an
Internet and there is a site and those sorts of things,
unless you have been brought up in a world that

(01:01:23):
does not exist to the fact that these things go on,
how do you think that it's okay for you to
sit there and say poor me, m.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
And say what was what was the last thing you said? Sorry?
In my step mat I said sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
And it's all due respect to people out there that
have been hurt, but it's how do you put yourself
into a situation I looking at porn doing this, you know,
going to a party, You're a young girl, beautiful. How
do you then sit there and go pour me based
on the fact of social media, the whole shooting box
of life, that you can sit there and go pour me?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Well, well, I guess, I mean, I think there's sort
of a slightly different situation in that you know, in
this particular case, there is no one else involved in
the decision making. He has led himself into the situation
and he's whatever, you know, addiction issues. He sucks seeks

(01:02:23):
out what he what is he come across? If I
can take it back to the point earlier, So with
the with these sort of mitigations and the limiting things
and the rehabilitation that's undertaken, how do in your experience,
how do judges take into account that box ticking nature
of it? How how how good are they spotting that

(01:02:46):
people have just done that, that they've just gone and
got and gone to the you know, the gone done
the right courses and done the right things. And how
do they spot that that that has been done because
they genuinely want to rehabilitate, or that they are just
looking for the sentencing discount. I mean, how how in

(01:03:06):
your experience have you seen judges weighing that that part
of it That.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
It's a hard thing to say. Look, he shouldn't never
have done it on a work computer. If you were
doing something that was not right and you didn't want
to get caught, why do it on the device that
is going to be looked at the judges. Look, it
all depends there are everybody can say when you're sitting

(01:03:34):
in there in a court system, whether it's family, whether
it's district, whether it's high whether it's a court of
appel and guests, unless it's on paper, it's all about
the judge on the day. And if the judge has
sat there for five six hours listening to a whole
lot of excuses about a person doing X, Y and Z,
they get hired and so a decision then is made

(01:03:58):
on as I've seen sometimes the fact that because they
can't be bothered.

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That's concerning.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
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Personally, I wouldn't be blaming the person that went into
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Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Thank you very much, Raileen. So we're talking about the
sentencing of Gevin mcskimming nine months home detention and he
was given a raft of discounts that equaled up to
fifty percents a discount for pleading not guilty and for
former good character, along with a few others.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
The sexas says Matt you are an idiot. Fair enough,
of course, young girls should know not to go into
bars with drunk men dressed in provocative ways. What a
silly thing for you to say. You are all about
personal responsibility, You think that young people can put themselves
in harms way without any risk. That's not what I
said at all. I said that the person that commits

(01:06:12):
the crime against the naive young person in a situation
that's where they should be absolutely slammed by the justice system.
That person should be Yeah, you know, it's it's it's
an ancient argument that people used to have. And look,

(01:06:34):
you've got to educate your kids the best you can.
And but there are there are people out there that
aren't educated. There are people out there that that that
terrible things have happened in their life and they go
out and there's this circle of bad things happened to them.
There's naivety out there. But to say that there that
that we should focus the blame on the person that

(01:06:56):
is young and and goes into the dangerous situation does
not sit with me. The blame is with the person
that commits the crime.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I think that's pretty clear cut, and it should be
that that's what I've saying, yeah, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
The sex says Gosh. I can't believe the judgmental people
voicing their position on this. This man had a medical addiction,
just like Russell. Russell said, no worse than meth addiction,
which should be treated like meth addiction, not criminalized. That's
from jam. Yeah, but it's not. He's veered off the
line of a pornography addiction into something much darker, and

(01:07:36):
I just don't think it's the same thing. I think.
And look, there is definitely a discussion to be had
around all pornography and the people that end up in
the position of being actors in pornography, and you know
their lives, and you know, they do studies and they
find out a vast majority of adult entertainers have been

(01:08:02):
abused in their life. So there's definitely a question around
around that and whether any pornography is victimless. I mean,
I mean, I'm sure there's some of it is, but
a lot of the stuff that people are looking at
is not victimless. But I still think it's a different
thing that doesn't lead from addiction from one to the other.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
That analogy of methanephetamine and drug addiction compared to that,
I just think is not quite there. But what do
you say, Craig, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (01:08:33):
Good.

Speaker 7 (01:08:33):
I think the sentences role of a lot on a
lot of accounts. We can all be apologists and call
an addiction. That this guy is different, and he's different.
He knew the consequences more than anybody. He's probably stood
in the dock and given evidence against people that do

(01:08:55):
similar to what he's done and happily well in the
full force of force of the law behind them. And
he is not a non intelligent person, is very intelligence.
He had a good income, he knew if he was
ill or not, and if he's ill, he had the

(01:09:15):
funds and the means to get help. Don't tell me
he's remorseful after he gets caught. He knew what he
was doing was wrong, and he knew he could afford
to get help. And the fact that he's happy to
throw the law at other people. He should be in prison.
And for the judge to say that he'd be at

(01:09:37):
risk in prison, yes, in mainstream he would be. He
would go straight into segregation. You can go into voluntary
segregation with basically, it's like isolation. He needed to do prison,
and I hope the prosecution would appeal the sentence.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I don't know if the judge did explicitly say that
the reason why he was getting home detention was because
of the risk in prison. I don't know if that's
I haven't seen that he said.

Speaker 7 (01:10:09):
His words were made, Matt. He would be because of
his position be the high ranking police officer, he would
be at risk of severe physical harm. Okay, sorry, that's
not an excuse.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Okay, I haven't seen that, but I'll look that up. Craig,
So what do you think would be a just punishment
for him?

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
What?

Speaker 10 (01:10:29):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
How?

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
How long in prison if he if he gets a
custodial sentence, if he got.

Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
One, if three years is the benchmark for it, he
gets sentenced to three years, he's eligible for parole probably
after a half. But to say that he's done rehabilitation,
that is definitely ticking boxes. Every krim does that once.

Speaker 14 (01:10:54):
They're court.

Speaker 7 (01:10:56):
Rehabilitation. Come after you have time to one think about
what you've done except what you've done and deal with it.
You don't deal with it at the minute you've been caught boxes.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
I agree with you on. You know, we've got to
be careful when addiction is used as a get out
of jail free card because, as you say, even at it,
addicts have decisions they can make, and there's a lot
of addicts out there that would not verge into the
areas that he verged into, and wouldn't verge into the
areas of crime. But on the the public profile side

(01:11:33):
of things, Craig and I think this is very valid
that he's his life is over pretty much right, it's
been shattered. Everybody knows who he is. He will probably
never get a job in this country. Again, Does that
not plan it into it for you? To me, that
is arguably a bigger punishment than serving time in prison.

Speaker 7 (01:11:51):
No, I don't believe it does, because there's ways he
will be able to get around, and that around that
you're probably buying in a few years time, he's not
called the skimm in anymore, and he would change his
name by depol or something that there's there's ways around that.
He the fact that we in he should have been
made an example of because he thought he was intelligent

(01:12:15):
enough to get away with it, and to say that
he's remorseful and he's had all these counseling sessions leading
up to trial. I'm sorry, he knew what he was
doing was wrong. He's put enough people away in prison
probably for doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Think if you call Craig Yeah, very interesting, Hi, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
The people that perform on pornographic videos are more than
likely suffering from drug addictions. It's a vicious cycle. Yeah,
I mean, you know the stats do play that out.
You know, adult entertainers. Huge amount of the addicts and
a huge amount of the are victims of abuse.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Yeah, you know that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Studies have shown that over and over again. It's a
risky thing. But yeah, this text says all addictions result
in abharrent behavior. Stop crucifying people boys. Okay, well, yeah,
I don't see.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
I don't buy that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
I I don't think all addictions lead to a beharrent behavior.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
No, that was the case.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
I think you know, there's a lot of addictions that
lead to terrible, you know, treatment of yourself, but not
always other people.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Yeah, I agree. What do you say? One hundred and
eighty ten eighty It is thirteen two three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. It is ten
two three, Kathy, how are you, Curta.

Speaker 18 (01:13:43):
I'm well, thank you. I hope you're both doing well
as well. I'm just trying that to say that I
feel quite disgusted.

Speaker 6 (01:13:51):
With the term that he got.

Speaker 18 (01:13:53):
This is someone who is meant to, you know, be
held up in our society. But apart from the damage
that he's caused to the police's reputation, every time he's
gone and clicked on watching some child pornography or bestiality,
he's given energy to the pupertenis to carry on doing more.

(01:14:16):
And but that alone, for taking advantage of the most
vulnerable ages in our society and you know, other countries,
et cetera. He deserves to be inside. It is disgraceful
that he's been given time at home.

Speaker 8 (01:14:33):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
What sort of sentence would sit right with you, Cathy,
in terms of prison time.

Speaker 18 (01:14:40):
Well, I know that that you know the prison cham
started at three, I mean quite friendly. I don't know
that's enough. But if that was the case, that's.

Speaker 14 (01:14:48):
What he should have gone inside for.

Speaker 18 (01:14:49):
He shouldn't have got any discount.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
I mean, he's someone.

Speaker 7 (01:14:52):
Who knows how to play the system.

Speaker 18 (01:14:53):
He knew by taking up doing some form of rehab
that it would be looked on favorably by the court.
I mean, you know, he said he didn't choose to
do that before his court did he so nice ever,
that he had a problem. So you know to me
that there makes no difference whatsoever and the same or
fleading guilty. I mean, he would have been found guilty

(01:15:16):
regardless because the evidence was all there. But just because
he chose to plead guilty doesn't mean that it is
once again, he knew how to play the system.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
But that's a difficult one, isn't it, Kathy, that the
pleading guilty might not have applied as as strongly in
this case as it does for other cases where it
can move through a bit faster and save victims the
heartbreak of a trial. Are you saying that it might
It needs to be case by case.

Speaker 18 (01:15:45):
Oh, absolutely absolutely, case by case and background by background,
et cetera. But this was someone who was there, who
was paid to protect vulnerable and he didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Kathy, thank you very much for your phone call. I
got to take a quick break break very shortly. It
is eight minutes to three, the issues that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Affect you and a bit of fun along away Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
News TALKSB. It is five to three. Couple of texts here,
this one from Marcus. I would be interested in how
many people do the rehabilitation courses for the purposes of
a discounted sentence and then reoffend discount for a guilty
plea nothink else matters. Jevin is sick, and yes he
would be a big target in prison, but should he

(01:16:34):
be able to sit at home and essentially in the
community a person of immense trust in this position? No way.
And this one from David is a victim of sexual
abuse in state care. I have no issues with his sentence.
People are after blood where there is no needs.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Well, it's been quite a discussion, hasn't it. And it's
a complicated issue. And it's a complicated issue, and it
seems to me that the discount system can be gained
by people in the know, and Skimming was definitely a
person in the know, wasn't he? And I also believe
addiction is a terrible thing, and that addiction to pornography
is a real thing. I just don't believe that there

(01:17:10):
is a direct direct line from increased disensitation to adult pornography.
I don't believe that that will lead in a direct
line to viewing child abuse. I think it's a different thing.
And look, I have sympathy for people viewing the stuff,
but the adult stuff, But I have no sympathy for

(01:17:31):
people viewing this child stuff because it feels an evil,
evil marketplace that leads to more of this horror. And
while I know that judges have more information than the
rest of us, and that they carefully consider their Senate saying,
there is no doubt that the discount system will remain
very controversial with cases that create the level of disgust

(01:17:52):
that this one creates. Yeah, well, it's just I don't know,
it's just so very gross.

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have a chat about the values of boredom. So a
great story that's been published today, and it looks at

(01:19:18):
why we are or have become so uncomfortable with being bored,
especially for kids. But it does argue that constantly filling
every moment with activities or screens or noise can actually backfire.
Experts now say that boredom gives the brain space to rest,
reflect and spark creativity, and it's often the starting point
for imagination and independent play when it comes to children.

(01:19:38):
So with summer hot on our tail and those road
trips and being at the campsites, is it okay for
kids to be a bit bored?

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Well, famously, Isaac Newton came up with calculus when he
was bored stuck on his family retreat hiding from a
plague in London. Jimmy Hendrix famously came up with his
guitar you know, innovative guitar technique, you know, playing in
the tax seder at the back of boring bands touring.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
This is great.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
So it has been the instigator for a lot of
people to find something special. If you get bored enough,
then your mind has to go somewhere to entertain itself.
But nowadays people are never bored at all. People just
have their phone in their pocket and can be fully

(01:20:28):
entertained at any second. So if we do know, and
we do accept and these studies backing it up over
and over again, that boredom is good for children, are
you willing to push it? Are you willing as a
parent eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Or.

Speaker 5 (01:20:43):
Do you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Take your devices off your kids when you're driving? Would
you when you go out a summer holiday it's a
four and a half hour drive to the camping site,
would you say, no watching movies, no iPads, no phones,
Just steer out the window like God intended at the
scenery and make your own games and lot kids will

(01:21:06):
start punching each other for a bit, yep, the arguments
and you will spin in a certain amount of that drive.
If you're in the passenger seat turning around, going kids.

Speaker 17 (01:21:15):
Stop it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
I'm going to turn this car around. No more holiday
if you don't cut that out.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
But it is good for your kids. And for the
longest time, this isn't just this isn't new because for
the longest time, you know, when I was a kid,
they were always talking about using the television as a babysitter,
just plunking kids in front of the television so they
would be quiet. But you know, so it was more
boring when my parents were young than it is for

(01:21:41):
me now when I was young, and it's way less
boring now. But yeah, I think I think you know
the idea of making a tree hat right, So I
used to get so bored of watching There was such
bad television when I was growing up, when there was
only the three channels, only the two channels. At one
point that I that would you get a mate from

(01:22:04):
the nearby farmhouse and we'd build a tree hat, you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Know, and that was the good stuff. You're right, because
you had to make your own fun. You got put
it in that situation on mum and dad on board.
Well sort it out, go and do something, and you
had to figure out what to do. Get creative and
go and catch up with a neighborhood kid. Grab the bikes,
go down to the river, chuck stones at the bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Holidays should be boring such that you find something to do.
Maybe it's a standby me situation when you go walking
down the train tracks looking for a dead body. Who
knows what it is but rop rob runner. But you
know the problem is, and you know that we're talking
about boredom studies, but there are also the studies of

(01:22:45):
how much damage the TikTok is doing to kids' brains.
So at one end you've got an highly entertained, silent
kid who's flicking through TikTok and eraising their brain or
you've got a board kid, that might be a bit
of a pain in the ass, but the eventually the
creative part of their brain kicks in and their brain
starts to grow. So quiet, kid brain shrinking, annoying, kid

(01:23:10):
brain growing. Yeah, it's up to you, I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. As a parent, are
you willing to push through that pain period? If you
are traveling this summer with the kids in the car,
and if you go into the campgrounds or whatever you're doing,
are you making an effort to take the devices away
from the kids so they create their own fun O
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
I've burned down my parents' garage because I got bored.
I tried to dry out a massive wet patch with
petrol because I was told not to put the hose
through the window. I didn't listen and just about diet.
But you were using your brain a little bit more
than someone who would be on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
You survived, and how fun would that have been? It
is twelve past three taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Thanks for your textmus on news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Zi'd be it is a good to past three. We're
talking about the value of boredom when it comes to
your kids over summer. So many studies and experts are
saying that boredom gives the brain space to rest, reflect
and spark creativity. It's offen the starting point for imagination
and independent play, and it is something that is missing
in a lot of children's lives these days.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
I've seen the stuff that you and your high school
friends made because you were bored. As you stated in
a recent podcast Back of the Y, it was some
super offensive stuff your board mind created an early two
thousand's television monster great stuff. Bring it Back, says this text, bang.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
On point exactly. I mean, look we are now, mate,
and look at what you've created because you were bored
and you you wanted to create something kick ass and
do something with your friends, and look at it out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
We got so bored growing up in Dunedin that we
started setting ourselves on fire and jumping off things and
then filming at and then it became a TV show
on TV two and started off my media career.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Oh good. If that doesn't showcase their benefits of bored them,
I don't know what else.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Does you know we used to get so bored my
friends and I and Daned and that we would rent
movies vhs is from movie stores and then we'd re
enact parts of the movies like Star Wars and such,
and we'd build the sets out of cardboards and then cardboard,
and then we'd you know, sell tape up the little
tags on the VHS's and record a little, you know,

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fifteen second spot of us re enacting the scene we did,
you know, the boldest scene from Indiana Jones, we did
scenes from Star Wars. Would build the interior of little
X wing fighters and stuff and just ruined videos for people.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
So you know, that is genius.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
It was definitely vandalism, but it was creative.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Yeah, creative vandalism. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number? Mike?

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Your thoughts on boredom?

Speaker 17 (01:25:40):
Good afternoon?

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Yeah, Hi guys.

Speaker 17 (01:25:43):
Well we probably all know from life experience that well,
well I know anyway that boredom is a minor, very
mild form of discomfort and suffering and it's definitely very
low on the on the hurt scale in life. And
because of that discomfort, yeah, it's a motive driving force

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that gets you up and going, pushes you to go
and pursue creative endeavors. You you can't sit there being
bored all day because you will get so sick of
it you'll go and do something constructive. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
As do you have kids, Mike, No, I don't.

Speaker 17 (01:26:23):
I've got niece and nephews.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
So, I mean I think what happens is as a parent,
you maybe you're tired, or you just want to have
your holiday, and so you take the easy option of
handing because before the kids hit that creative part and
do something, they first try and they absolutely punish you
to do it. So it's it's a hard threshold to

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get over to just put up with your kids being
bored until they actually do something something good. I think
that's that's the problem, but it's probably good parenting if
you'll out. So did your parents leave you to do stuff?
Did your parents think that there was their job to
entertain you?

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
Mike No, No.

Speaker 17 (01:27:06):
We were the classic eighties cordrated care section, climbing the
trees backyard, throwing stones, you know, trees, like you were saying,
and you know, I'm riding the bikes around the neighborhood,
exploring ye things the coast.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
You know, we just, yeah, we occupied.

Speaker 17 (01:27:24):
Ourselves climbing trees in an adventure adventurous way. But I know,
I know, I like to classify myself as sort of
an amateur psychologist. But there are two main motive forces
in life for anything, humans especially and animals, and that's
you run away from pain, and you run towards something

(01:27:44):
pleasurable and something that makes you just gives you discomfort. Well,
you're going to move away from it eventually because pain
is a terrible, terrible, horrible, hideous thing, and pain tells
you something is wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
No, don't do it.

Speaker 17 (01:27:58):
Go and do something that's enjoyable, that makes you happy,
and it makes you feel your life, like your life's worthwhile.
But sorry, you carry on my Yeah, So in my mind,
pape pains almost like your friend. Even though it's so horrible.
It's a helper and it's it's a healer because if
you sprain your ankle, it's so hideous that you won't

(01:28:19):
use your ankle for a week and it will heal.
And it's also a teacher. And if you've got groin
mate sorry kidney zones, you wouldn't know they're there unless
that they felt bad, So it teaches you go and
get them fixed because it's so unbearable. So it actually
helps you even though it's such a hideous, hidious, horrible thing.
And like I said, bottom's right down on the at
the bottom of the hurt scale. But still it'll it'll

(01:28:41):
make you eventually move and get into something constructive that
will add value to yours and other people's lives.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
I guess, well, that's a very good point you make, Mike,
your kid being bored or you being bored. But you know,
the study was about kids. It's not something that you
should really really worry about with your kids, right, You
should worry about them, you know, putting a four conto
an electric stock at but them being bored is not
something that you should spend a lot lot of time

(01:29:09):
worrying about. And this I mean is I mean and
I think to combat it, we need to bring back
dad jokes, because if I ever said to my dad
on board, you'd go, hi, board, I'm Dad, get outside,
do something. Yeah, you know, there was there was zero
There was you know, a gen exit, but there was
a zero sympathy for whether I was bored or not.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
Zero.

Speaker 17 (01:29:29):
Yeah, and in the holidays, how about if your parents
in the afternoon, so the kids here, here, here are
the ingredients, prepare us dinner for tonight, and they can
spend three hours making a mess in the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
That'll that'll stop bording exactly. You're so right, though, if
I said to Dad in particular, on board, Dad, I'm
more likely to get a clip around the year than
anything else. So we just knew that if we're bored,
Dad is going to get angry if we say we're bored,
because you'll say, not my problem. And we had to
go and make our own fun.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
There was a whole lot of sayings that were developed
around us, wasn't there. It was like, you know, you
say you're bored and goes no such thing as bored.
I'm just boring people.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Yeah, just a or in mind. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number to call keen to hear
from you if you are making an effort this summer
to take the devices away from the kids, And when
it comes to your own boredom, are you making an
effort on yourself as well? Nine two ninety two is
the text I was so bored.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
As a teen and so poor as well. I taught
myself how to fix broken PlayStations so I had something
to do, got good at it and ended up being
a side hustle buying and fixing and selling.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
How Good's twenty one past three?

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Back very shortly, madd Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
It is twenty four past three. We're talking about the
benefits of boredom. Maddie.

Speaker 7 (01:30:50):
How are you?

Speaker 20 (01:30:51):
I'm good, thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
How are you very good? So you reckon you'll be
taking the kid's devices away over summer, I.

Speaker 20 (01:30:58):
For part of the summer, Yes, for sure. I think
the challenge taking the kid's devices away is dealing with
the outbursts responses. But it's such a short period of
time until you get your old kid back again. You know,
the kid that does like climbing trees, and the kid
likes making mud pies and what sort of stuff. And

(01:31:20):
I think it's a discomfort that the parents can't stand that,
you know, that short term pain of taking it away
for the long term gain of getting your kid back,
I think it's well worth it. So I will be
taking it away. I try to keep some really good
boundaries around devices. I do struggle at times. We've got
three boys, and it just keeps them busy sometimes when

(01:31:42):
I'm busy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Do you think that as a factor of two things
for parents these days? A when you take your kids
devices away, then you have to put up with them
yelling and screaming and planning their board. And secondarily, the
creative ideas that they come up with terrify modern parents, because,
as you say, climbing trees, Like if I ever turned
around when my son was five or six, I'd turn

(01:32:07):
around for a second, then hear I'm yelling so far
up the tree that his face would be a tiny dot,
and I'm going, oh my god, how's he going to
get down?

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Am I going to catch them?

Speaker 20 (01:32:16):
Absolutely no, I completely agree with you. But sorry, I'm
just at work and I've just had my clients turn up,
so I've got to be real quick. So I'm just
thinking about you know some of the research. You know,
the reward centers of the brain light up the same
with devices as they do with drugs. So it just
gives you an indication of how powerful.

Speaker 8 (01:32:37):
The addiction is.

Speaker 20 (01:32:38):
So true, and at nighttime and only you go to
bed and you shut your eye as you process. Today,
that's the time that you have quiet time just to reflect.
But kids go to bed with their phone to the
last minute, and that's how they fall asleep with their phones.
And so we don't get a chance to process. And
when we don't get a chance to be bored or

(01:32:59):
be still or be quiet, we become really anxious and
overwhelmed because we don't know how to manage some of
those uncomfortable feelings because we've just lost the skills never
had them. And also, you know, I've heard a lot
of research information about employers employing older people now because
young the younger generation just don't have the social skills

(01:33:21):
to talk to customers or clients or interact.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Well speaking much time with their heads to their.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Speaking, which MADDI will let you get off your device
to go and deal with your customers.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
Thank you sound important, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Hey, someone just texted through Ninja missions and that was
a huge part of my child. I'll get bored and
I'll spend all day organizing Ninja missions, which involved you know,
getting thressed up and sneaking out at night and you know,
sneaking around the neighborhood sneaking around the farm would map
them all out. Ninja missions, bring back ninja missions.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
I've never heard of that, but that's great, fantastic, right,
what a great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone
who called and text on that. But stand by because
coming up next is the one and only Ryan Fox
part of our Christmas catch ups with kick Ass Kiwi's
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Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
He'd b It has been a phenomenal year for Key
we Go for Ryan Fox's twenty twenty five season included
two PGA Too wins and againness whirheld record how Good.
He also closed out the year winning the incredibly popular
Chasing the Fox events. Ryan Fox joins us now as
part of our Christmas catchup with Kick Ass Keyweed. These
series get Hey Ryan, how are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
Hey, guys, how you're doing? I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
There's an obvious answer to this question, or maybe not
which one or which tournament or performance means the most
of you and why?

Speaker 14 (01:36:20):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
I mean, I've got to say the Canadian Opens, you know,
the first one at Myrtle Beach was obviously pretty special,
being you know, my first PJA tool. But you know,
I think the satisfaction of doing it twice, you know,
feels like it's not not a fluke. And you know,
the Canadian Open has such a a storied history. I

(01:36:43):
think it's one of the oldest golf tournaments in the world.
There's some pretty awesome names on that trophy. So yeah,
to join them and do it the way I did it, Yeah,
that means that means a lot. The one on last
rite out Jason the Fox is pretty cool to to
be able to you know, obviously it's a different style
of event, but you know, to do it at home,

(01:37:04):
to play with Dan Hilios, one of my good mates,
I feel like there was a little of pressure on
us to actually get it done, and yet to get
it done was was definitely satisfying too.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Yeah, I mean, you know, both those were stopped the
nation moments, you know, and at work here every everyone
was talking about it, and it's they literally stopped the nation.
But going to Chasing the Fox, it must be satisfying
to to win the trophy back off the show Pony
media team, some of the some of the people in

(01:37:34):
this country.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
It was big talk.

Speaker 4 (01:37:36):
Yeah, yeah, I've got to give them credit. I mean,
they were great ambassadors for the event last year. You know,
Mark Richardson just played out of his skin by all accounts,
you know, was very impressive. And you know, Jerry and
Gerry and Die with the cheerleaders.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
From what I was told, yes, but particularly I was
watching some of the footage, I was wondering if it
was his first game.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
But it's cool. It's a it's a format that works
for that and it's great to see that they had
a lot of fun doing it. Yeah, I mean they
dined out on it for a long time too, which
was great.

Speaker 7 (01:38:12):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
I mean I've heard of virtually nothing else from Jeremy
well since so you know, it's been good for his
already inflated ego, so it's you know, it's deflated bit now.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
It's good phenomenal events. So what part of your game
do you think you've worked on the hardest this year
to improve?

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
Right? To be honest, it was probably the fitness side
of things. Last year I struggled with a bit of
a hip injury, and it was a weird injury that
it wasn't necessarily painful, but the body didn't move the
way it normally did in the golf swing, and I
really struggled to kind of be consistent with it. I

(01:38:50):
worked really hard in the off season at the back
of twenty twenty four to get everything right with that hap.
I had some treatment at a quarterzone injection and it
did all the rehab and then tried to keep on
top of that for most of as long as I
could this year, And you know, I didn't have any
issues with the hip, and then you know, we were

(01:39:11):
based in the US as well, which made the travel
a whole lot easier. Yeah, compared to twenty twenty four.
So it was probably some of the off the golf
course stuff that really made a difference. You know, I
didn't feel like anything necessarily clicked in the golf game
too much. It just being injury free kind of helped
the golf swing, be a bit more consistent, that was all.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
You seem so calm in tournaments. You certainly don't piss
around before you smoke it off the tea. Do you
feel the pressure like other humans or is your superpowered
dealing with with that pressure and just getting on with it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
I mean, look, you always feel pressure.

Speaker 9 (01:39:48):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:48):
If you didn't feel pressure and you weren't nervous about it,
kind of, that would be time to quit. I think
it means it doesn't mean anything. So yeah, it's I've
been doing it for long enough now you know, I've
got the got the strategies and you know, the routines
and all of the mental skills to deal with it
hopefully for the most and I still mess it up

(01:40:10):
a decent amount too. But I also like it under pressure.
I feel like it simplifies things a little bit. And
I know that sounds strange, but you know, golf's the
game where that ball doesn't move and you've got way
too much time to think about it. Hence I tend
to hit it quickly as well, so I try to
give myself less time to think about it. But it's

(01:40:31):
under pressure, it just like all the other stuff. Tends
to go away and it just becomes Okay, I've got
to hit the shot, this is my start line, this
is my shape, and just it forces me to kind
of commit to that. Whereas you know, sometimes if you're
trying to make a cut or something like that, that's
when you're struggling a little bit. All the bad thoughts

(01:40:52):
come in and you're really you know, you think, oh,
I don't want to do this, or I've got to
swing it this way. And as soon as something something
becomes conscious and sport, it becomes very very hard. And
I think in golf you're always fighting that idea of
how to react to it, target and how to make
it kind of unconscious while you've got so much time

(01:41:12):
to have conscious thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
Do you now you've achieved you know, this year particularly
in a way that you know it's beyond anyone's ability
to even fantasize about it. Really, is there any you know,
is there anything more that you just really really strongly
desire to achieve?

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
Yeah, there's definitely a couple of things. I'd love obviously
to win a major. You know, they're very very hard
to win, and you know, there there would probably more
be on the dream list than you know, what would
feel like, you know, our very realistic goal to achieve.
But I also feel like, you know, I know my

(01:41:54):
game is good enough to compete at the highest level
and hopefully, you know, one of those weeks where I
play really well as in one of those big events.
So you know, I think there's I always feel like
there's a little bit of luck involved with that that
sometimes it's really hard to pick what weeks you're going
to play well and then hopefully you play well in
a good week. And the other one that I really

(01:42:17):
want for next year is that President's Cup team. I've
missed out the last couple in twenty two and twenty four,
and you know, felt pretty hard done by in twenty two.
So yeah, We've got a President's Cup in Marion in
Chicago in September, and I'd love to be a part
of that international team, and you know, that feels like
something I'm missing. And yeah, so all the work for

(01:42:40):
next year is going to be going into trying to
make that team later in the year.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
That's an interesting thing about golf, isn't it, Because you
need that incredible round to hit at the incredible time,
and is that something that you can control, or is
it just you know, a body of work across a
period of time and if it comes right on the

(01:43:05):
right day and the biggest of spotlights, then then it happens.

Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
I think for most people it's the second one, you know.
I think there has been guys over the years that
have been able to kind of pull it out when
they need it. You know, Tiger Woods is one. I
feel like Scottischeff was pretty good at it. Rory mcleho
has been pretty good at it over the years, Jack
Nicholas and Arnold Palmer and those guys. But I would

(01:43:32):
say for the majority of tour players, you know, you
put in all the work. You know your game is
good enough, but it's maybe not quite as consistent as
some of you know, the absolute world class players, you know,
the guys that are going to go down in history.
But you know, you just kind of hope and trust

(01:43:53):
that you know, your time to play well is going
to come over a year, and if it comes during
the right stretch of events, you have a really really
good year. If it doesn't, well, you know, it maybe
doesn't quite look as good on paper, but still kind
of play the same level of golf and you know,
I kind of feel like that's what happened to me
this year. You know, my golf game's definitely good enough

(01:44:14):
to compete with the best guys, as I said, and
I just had a really really good patch at the
right time in the middle of the year. And you know,
I took advantage of a couple of chances to win,
and I played well in a couple of majors and
a couple of those signature events, and you know, all
of a sudden, I probably has on pay for my
best year and professional golf as a thirty eight year old.

Speaker 8 (01:44:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
Absolutely, just rolling back to the Canadian Open A lovely,
beautiful moment when you've got the presentation, you know what
I'm talking about here, but you give the presentations on
going and your daughters are having a play in the bunker.
A beautiful moment. I mean, one, it must be amazing
to have your family there for those those moments, but
also two, are you saving that video for their twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
First Definitely saving the video. But it's kind of cool
how it, you know, puts everything in perspective, right, Like,
you know, I'm standing there, I've won the biggest event
I've won in my life, and the girls don't really care.
You know. They see they see the biggest stand I've
ever had access and all they want to do is

(01:45:16):
go and play. And it's so wholesome and brilliant and like,
you know, from our point of view, it's amazing to
have the family there. Like you know, the photos we
got on the eighth Green with the trophy. I've been
lucky enough to do that a couple of times with
the family there, But you know, I'm going to remember
all of that. But also, you know, with them traveling,
it doesn't matter if I play well or play badly.

(01:45:38):
I'm still dad and they still love me and I
still love them, and it's you know, it kind of
it just makes it. It makes the travel hard, but
it makes the dealing with the ups and downs of
professional sport a little bit easier.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
Yeah, beautifully said Ryan. We're loving That's You're right to
hang with us for a few more moments. We'll come
back with some Christmas question problem at all. We are
chatting to Ryan Fox as part of our Christmas catch
ups with kick Ass Kiwi series. Say right here, you're
listening to news storks ZB the issues that affect.

Speaker 14 (01:46:07):
You and have fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
Talk zed B News Talk zed B, we are joined
by New Zealand golfing legend Ryan Fox as part of
our Christmas catch up with kick Ass Kiwee's Ryan. Thank
you very much again for your time, No problem.

Speaker 4 (01:46:24):
I don't know how you keep saying that. To be honest,
I'd missed that little tongue twister up a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:46:29):
That was.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
I practiced that a lot last night. Actually, mate, when
when Meddy came up with it, I thought, Jesus, I'd
better practice it before we chat with Ryan. I don't
want to embarrass myself.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
I was pretty pleased. We've done two of these interviews
before we came up with the name of the segment,
so we're pleased to get it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Three and three into the three into the series, a
lot of us looking forward to playing a few rounds
on the break. You know, golf is your job. Do
you take a break from golf or is golf also
a recreation for you?

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
It's a little bit of both. Yeah. I like putting
the sticks down definitely, But you know, I've still had
a lot of mates that I played golf with it's
getting close to thirty years now, which is quite scary,
and like you know, it's social golf. I love that.
I love going out and talking crap with them and
you know, trying to take trying to take a bear

(01:47:19):
off them at the end. And you know, the great
thing about golf too is the handicapped system. You know,
as long as the handicaps are accurate, which for the
most part, everyone's hands and all their cards and does
the right thing. And as the handicaps are accurate, you
can have a you can have a match against anyone
and that's cool. So I still love doing that with
my mates, and I'll do that a little bit over Christmas,

(01:47:40):
but I'll certainly put the clubs down for you know,
a week or so and try to get the boat
fired up and use a different type of graphite shaft
to do something well. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
I think that's one of the reasons why you're so
loved in New Zealand, particularly in globally, is that that
mate side of it is such a big part of it,
and for most of us that's all of what golf is.
So see someone on the level you are that also
appreciates times with mates and appreciates the times after the
games with mates and families is a huge thing. And

(01:48:11):
speaking of what's what's on the menu at the Foxes
for Christmas?

Speaker 4 (01:48:18):
We're hosting this year, which is pretty cool. We've got
both sides of the family coming, my WI side of
my side, which is which is nice. And I'm on
the tools on the barbecue. So we've got a Christmas
hand and a big piece of steak. Nice And the
greatest thing about that is it's actually one from a
meat pack of a made of mine who is one

(01:48:38):
of the Halibi's. He made a silly bet with me
if I if I won a PJ Tour event here
to provide me a meat pack. So yeah, I'm definitely
definitely claiming that often this year.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
Yeah, that's going to taste particularly sweet. Hey, real tree
or fake tree?

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
Right this year with faith unfortunately, but we have done
the real tree the last few years.

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Well, this is probably a reasonly annoying and difficult question
to answer across the lifetime, but what's the best present
you ever received for Christmas?

Speaker 4 (01:49:11):
I don't know. I've got to say our firstborn daughter
was about a week before Christmas, so having her her
first Christmas in twenty twenty. That was probably probably the
best present. And you know, I think Christmas just gets
a bit cooler when you can share it with the kids.
You know what it means so much for them. So yeah,
i'd definitely say having the kids around for it's been amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
That is a great answer. And what are you grateful for?
Most grateful for this year?

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
Just I think selfishly having some certainty going forward. I'm
a PGA tour having job security, which we don't get
that in golf very often, so I'm very thankful for that.
And you have some security around family and what we're
going to do. But I think the biggest thing is
actually just being able to have the family around. As
I said, we're hosting everyone for the first time in

(01:50:01):
a little while, so yeah, it'll be very cool to
have everyone at our place and they're just chilling out
and and a few wines and then some good food hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
And finally, potentially the most punishing question of our Christmas
catch ups with kick Ass Kiwi's Nice Nailed It, Thank
You as your favorite Christmas song of all time?

Speaker 4 (01:50:22):
Ryan, I'm going to apologize for anyone that has to
listen to us in advance. But my favorite as a
kid was Snoopy's Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
Oh that's a great classic, absolute classic, and I hate.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
That that sort of drop that used to be compulsory
to be played on radio when I was growing up,
and it's dropped off a little bit. So I actually
applaud you for bringing that back. Great story, Raw guardsman.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
Yeah love it. Ry very Christmas, my friend. We're going
to play that song for you now. But mate, have
a very merry Christmas and a great breakover summer, and
hopefully we'll catch up in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
Yes, guys, have a good one, no problem at all. Yea, yeah,
this number works all year around. Apologies again for having
to play Snoopy' Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Well allow it. That is Ryan Fox as part of
our Christmas ketch up with kick Ass Kiwi series see
the new Stooks. He'd be Bakery.

Speaker 13 (01:51:10):
Shortly the news had come out in the First World War,

(01:51:33):
the Bloody Rasp baron spying once more.

Speaker 7 (01:51:37):
The Allied command ignored.

Speaker 11 (01:51:39):
All of his men and calling on Snoopy.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
To do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Was the night for Christmas.

Speaker 21 (01:51:46):
Record him below for Snoopy went up in search of
his boat.

Speaker 19 (01:51:52):
Spy the trap.

Speaker 22 (01:51:53):
Barn seriously then bought with ice on his wings, Snoop
into it.

Speaker 10 (01:51:58):
Was f.

Speaker 23 (01:52:01):
Trasmis smells Christmas bank up.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
Asking the so.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
And the.

Speaker 21 (01:52:19):
Baron had Snoopy dead in his sights. He reached all
the trigger to pull it up tight. Why he didn't shoot, well,
we'll never know. Or was it the bells from the
village below.

Speaker 23 (01:52:37):
Christmas bell goes, Christmas bells ring.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
From the lad.

Speaker 23 (01:52:44):
Bring peace through.

Speaker 19 (01:52:46):
The wall of the world and go to the.

Speaker 21 (01:52:54):
Baron made Snoopy flight of the riot and forced him
to laugh behind.

Speaker 19 (01:52:59):
The enemy lives.

Speaker 22 (01:53:01):
Snoopy was certain that this was the end when the
baron cried out, Merry Christmas, my friend. The baron then
offered a holiday toast and Stoop be our hero. Sozuted

(01:53:22):
his host, and then with the roar them put on their.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Way, which no one they'd.

Speaker 19 (01:53:28):
Meet on some other days.

Speaker 23 (01:53:33):
Trassmastbell, space, those bells, breast.

Speaker 24 (01:53:44):
And grass spasso, the big stories, the big issues, the

(01:54:07):
big trail, and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 4 (01:54:13):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
It is five to four top man that Ryan Fox,
isn't he?

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
He certainly is great New Zealander. Hey, thank you so
much for listening to everyone. As always, we've loved all
your calls on e one hundred and eighty ten eighty
and your text on nine two nine two. It's been
a fantastic old time. The podcast will be up in
about an hour if you missed anything. The impressive bearded
legend that is Ryan Bridge is in for Heather Doup
plus the Allen on Drive next. But right now, Tyler,

(01:54:40):
my very good friend, why would I be playing this
song by the Pitch Up Boys.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
Oh, it's just called bean boring. That's the title of
this beautiful song. Because we had such a fantastic chat
about the benefits of a bit of boredom in your
kid's life. So the whole lot of things.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
That's a hundred percent correct. Yeah, bore the crap out
of your kids. It's good for them if they come
up to you and tell you that, They come up
over the break and say I bored Dad. The correct sponsors.
That's nice boy, that's a nice board on dad's You say,
shut up, go outside and play your whiny little muppet

(01:55:17):
A correct response. Anyway. You seem busy, everyone, so we'll
let you go. Merry Christmas until tomorrow afternoon. Give them
a taste of Kiwi from Tyler to Night love you.

Speaker 19 (01:55:31):
Because we won be him.

Speaker 8 (01:55:35):
So much time for.

Speaker 11 (01:55:39):
We will be.

Speaker 19 (01:55:43):
Interesting now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
It's it a different today, Friends and rooms Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
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