Full Show Podcast: 18 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello are you great New Zealanders And welcome to Matt
and Tyler Full Show Podcast number one four eight for Wednesday,
the eighteenth of June twenty twenty five. What a show
it was today, Oh my God, turns out the listeners
to the mattin Tyler afternoons on zib do not trust
the government and refuse to give any details to them

(00:38):
on the census census the light of census. Not because
they're lazy, couldn't be bother filling it out apparently according
to them, but no, because they don't trust the government
with their info yep.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
And also fantastic chat about angry tourists over in Southern
Europe and the Mona Lisa. Yeah not a hate for
the Mona Lisa.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah there was. And also we answer your employment questions
with Gareth Abden Noor. And also I run the temperature
in the studio at thirty one degrees to just to
see how so listen and see if you can spot
Tier getting rest as it gets hotter and hotter in here.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
The boss had to come in and have a talking
to Matt and saying Heather's not going to like this,
Mike Costkin's not going to like this. He didn't really
care about how I felt, but Mike Coskin and hither
it gave me a real.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Dressing down for trying to burn Tyler alive in the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
A great show and also of course today was an
important day for Bell Canton, New Zealand day and lou
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They're doing great work and jeep as it's important. Yeah,
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Speaker 2 (01:48):
Give a taste keewi from us.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I love you the big stories, the leak issues, the
big trends and everything in between. Matty's and Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talk said the.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show on this Wednesday.
Hope you're doing fantastic. Weev you're listening in the trick
man gide.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Tyler tell you what if you're from the South Island,
you're never allowed to complain about cold once you moved
to the North Island. Just before I said, I'm a
bit Chili and anyone's like I thought you were from denoted.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, heard up. The teas came through, think and fast.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
We're still human, just because with the South Island as
living in the North Island, it's got feelings too people.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, absolutely hard enough, mate, I mean, well, well.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
The problem is that I was I was part of
a formal presentation at the Grand Millennium this morning on
radio and audio, and I was on stage, and so
I'm having to wear a nice, nice jacket. There's a
nice jacket, Yeah, but then nice jacket's not getting very
warm and I can't I can't go from jacket to
T shirt. I'm going to a complicated middle ground here. Okay,
you stop calling me a wortz just because I've pumped

(02:50):
the temperature up on the conditioning.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
I had a look before and it's actually at twenty
seven degrees. I'm gonna have to take my shirt off
and nobody wants to see that. Right before we get
to the show, you wanted to mention something about sausage rolls.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, I mean I I've complained about sausagells on the
show before. But there's a very sausage right, a thing
that do not need any flar. When you go to
eat a sausage roll, you expect a certain thing. You
want to dip it in your sauce, and you want
to eat it. And at this very fancy pants event
that I was just speaking at earlier today, they had

(03:22):
sausage rolls. I was so excited. I skipped off stage
past the crowd and I could see the sausage rolls
in the other room, and I skipped over there. I
was so excited, and then I went to eat them
and it was a fancy pants sausage roll with too
much flavor. And I think that is a betrayal of trust.
I mean, it's worse when it turns out to be
a vegan one you find out it's a check pea

(03:44):
sausage roll. But just can we just standardize all sausage
rolls have to be there's a one flavor, slightly oniny
flavor of a sausage roll, and let's just make that
blanket across the country. Don't try and reinvent it.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Okay, but you can't trust a sausage roll or do,
and that's what that was right. It was one of
those they hand it round on we plates as they
go around the event. Never trust those sausage rolls because
they're not real saucy rolls. They're too fancy. I'm with
you anyway, it's ruined my life.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I don't know how. I don't think I'll ever come
back from the disappointment of that sausage roll being too good.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
It will be hard, be hard, but we'll get you there. Mate.
On to today's show because it is a doozy of
a show after three point thirty. It is a Wednesday,
so it's asked the expert series that we always do
and today he's super popular. Gareth abdenall employment law expert
from Abden Or Law. He'll be taking your questions and
calls after three p thirty if you've got any issues
with your workers, the boss, employment quandaries. He's a man

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to chat too.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
And after three we've got a little bit of chat
about cleaning toilets. We've also got a chat about Day
and Lou, which is this bowel cancer initiative that's happening
across the country right now. If you text Lou to
three seven seven nine. That's to three seven seven nine.
You donate money to Bow Cancer New Zealand who get

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absolutely no money from the government and Bell Cancer. We've
got one of the worst rates in the world and
people need help out there. So yeah, if you can
see see your way to texting lou to three seven
seven nine, then you know that three dollars will help.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Incredibly important. After two o'clock so the squirt guns have
returned to the streets of Barcelona. Thousands gathered for long
planned to protest one second Buffalona, Bathlona, long planned protests
and bath Alona against mass tourisms just doesn't sound right,
does it. Mas tourism and cities across Southern Europe. Same

(05:38):
in Italy, sam and lisbond and Portugal and the Louver
of all places, the world's most visited museum withstood war
terra pandemics, but on Monday it closed its doors because
staff have gone on strike saying it is crumbling under
the weight of mass tourism.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
So just too many tourists in Europe. People hitting the
streets and protesting about the mount of tourists. We know
when the America's Cup was in Spain, there were protests
against it because they were like, you're just bringing more
people here.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Meanwhile in New Zealand like please come, please come back.
Although I do remember before COVID there was talk that
we had peak, it would hit peak tourism in this
country and we didn't want anymore. So the question is
have you been to any of these very famous European
spots and they've just been totally ruined by the amount
of tourists there. I've heard horror shows at the coliseum

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And is there a peak number of tourists that that
New Zealand should take. You know, we're now back to
eighty percent of pre COVID levels. Is that enough or
do we want to get up to two hundred percent
and just ram as many tourists through the system, fleece
them for money and try and get ourselves out of
this recession.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Looking forward to that chat after two o'clock, But right now,
let's have a chat about the census. The days of
trying to get every New Zealander to fill out those
forms are over. Minister of Statistics doctor Shane Ready announced
today that stats in z will move to an admin
data first census. So this means using data the government
or has already collected when trying to assemble data sets
that include all of us. For example, instead of asking

(07:01):
for your income on a sense of for our census form,
STATS in z will instead ask inland revenue how much
you earn? So we want to have a chat to you.
Is this a sad state of affairs we are at
in New Zealand that we can't even be bothered to
fill out something like the census? And it is incredibly important.
It collects a lot of data that is vital for
governments and other agencies to use to direct funds where

(07:23):
they need to go.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, because one of the reasons why they're not doing it.
They gave several reasons why they're not going to do it,
but one of them is the difficulties in getting people
to fill it out. It will save money. So this
is what Mary Craig, acting Stats New Zealand Chief Executive
and Government Statitions said, this is an exciting and necessary change,
so she's really into it. The traditional way of running
a nationwide survey on Census day can no longer be

(07:45):
justified due to rising costs, and this is the bit
that I think is pathetic of New Zealand as declining
survey response rates and disruption from events like Cyclone Gabriel
in twenty twenty three. From twenty thirty, New Zealand sensor
data and statistics will be produced every year in a
cost effective and sustainable manner. So whether that is cost

(08:07):
effective and sustainable and it looks like it will be cheaper,
you know, I think we're going to say one hundred
and twenty three odd million on it. So that's a
good thing. But does that, as you say, Tyler, say
something about a country that we can't even get together
full out a census, that such large amounts of people
can't even be bothered filling in a form for the
good of their country and the good of their community.

(08:28):
That that is one of the reasons why we're canceling
the old census.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, we never used to freak out about it so much.
It used to be Census day or Census night. You'd
get the forms in the in you let a box,
and you'd sit around as a family just ticking it
all off because you knew it was the right thing
to do as a citizen. It was important information that
the government needed to make sure again, the funds get
to where they need to get It wasn't a big deal,
and then all of a sudden, for some reason, a

(08:51):
lot of people said, nah, you don't get to know.
And it's just confusing to me about why people took
that stance.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well, I think people are just lame and lazy and
don't think that they need to do anything for their country.
I think that's right. As I stayed up so late,
look on bitter about it because I stayed up late
and it was complex working out on my kids, tribes
and staff, and there was a lot going on, and
I got stressed and I was like, I've got to
get this done census day and time. And I got
it done. And then the news next day is no
one did it and that's fine, nothing happens to them.

(09:19):
And then later the news was we're giving people rewards
for not doing it.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, so you missed out on Warrior's tickets, you missed
out on KFC. But really, can you hear from you
on this? I wait, hundred eighty ten eighty yeah? Or
do you just mistrust the government and hate it all.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
It wasn't that you were lazy that you didn't fill
out the census for you just thought, get out of me,
Get out of here. I'm not giving you my information.
I'm not going to pretend to be a Jedi just
to upset the religious make a mockery of the what
religion you are part of? The census?

Speaker 3 (09:48):
YEP, really keen to hear from you. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number? Call it is
fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
That'd be good afternoon. We are talking about the census.
The days of the traditional census done. According to the government.
Minister of Statistics, doctor Shane Ready, has announced this morning
that stats n Z will move to an admund data
first census. It effectively means they'll use organizations government departments
already in existence. They have information about you to collect

(10:23):
data for the census.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
For example, if they want to know how much you paid,
they'll just ask the IID yeah, instead of asking you exactly,
which is interesting that they believe what people said.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
But my thing with it is, as I get it,
maybe there it is more efficient, but just do you
think that one of the main reasons was that people
won't fill it out. Just says a little bit says
something about our country. I believe, whether it's right or
wrong to get rid of it, it just says that we've
become just either so mistrustful of the government that we
will do it, or just a bit lazy and don't
care about your fellow countrymen.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty love
your thoughts on the end of the census, traditional census.
Get a Glenn, you get a boy, very good. What
do you reckon about the end of the traditional census?

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Well, the last census was the death Now. I mean,
I'm nearly fifty of field. Nff you, and that was
the biggest racist, gender bending bunch of crap off you
ever seen in my life. It was ridiculous and I've
got the only else to play.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
What kind of questions did you not like in it? Glenn?

Speaker 4 (11:26):
What is the difference if I'm Maori or parkih I'm
in New Zealander? What is the difference? There is no difference.
What is it if I am a transitioning person, if
I'm a man who identify as a man, what that
is not the census. The census is Helbig is Roxburgh
doesn't need a hospital, Helberg is Kutia doesn't need a

(11:48):
new hospital. That's what the census is for. None. All
this crap from people who got se minus in yearly
in third year level political science who are now running
the standard Department's people are over it. It's crap.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
What about?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
What about some of the questions though, Glenn, there are
some questions though, like what did you think about the
questions like have you got black mold in your house?
Did you? Did you? Do you think that was an
all right question?

Speaker 4 (12:14):
It's a good question. Yeah, it is to talk and
think you should be asking, right, because that leads to
building stands, which leads to how to build new houses. Right.
There was a whole section of that which I skipped
down it because they're off the end of the fence.
It was absolutely crap.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well because that's because that's something because Glenn, that's something
they'll miss. But they can't ask those questions where they
know there's a problem and they need to find out
exactly where it is that but that's not going to
come up and just the government and Edmund stats.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Is it.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
No, and they only got themselves to blame. I mean,
it actually caught funny. Do you go back and read
through those questions. It is horrendous just trying to put
it one into a little and you're this age in
this colored skin, so you get to egg this way.
And that's what ststy zone does and has been wrong
for a very long time. And that's finally New Zealander said,
you know what, you're irrelevant and now these guys are

(13:04):
finding out that they are ill.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Do you worry how they'll find find out this information
now though, Glenn, because arguably and the nuts and bolts
are still to be worked out in the detail of this,
but it appears to be you know, if they need
to find out this information, they'll be using your health records.
They'll be using all of this private information that you
give to individual departments. Hoping and knowing is they should
keep that within that department so that then is used

(13:28):
by wider a collection of government workers that will be
upsetting to a lot of people. So they'll find this
information out anyway. It just means your health data is
going to go further afield.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah, and I think I hope that the that the
Director's Tax New Zealand gives himself a better of an
upper cap for falling into the track that he did,
and that's little she did on who who's running the show?
But they I mean, as I said, they've only got
themselves to blame. It was pathetic. It was not asked.
They were asking the questions which were cool at the time.

(14:02):
Argu you're going to drive the deven four to the
next twenty years and sthetic.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
So you don't like questions about and you don't like
questions about gender identity? What about religion? Do you mind
them asking or do you think that's any business of
the government what religion you are, because that's always one
of the questions in the center census.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
I think it's I think it's pretty important when you start,
when you come to the realization how much land is
owned by churches and they don't pay text to them
and got that, like you know, it's it's it's it's
certainly informative of how big the congregation is compared to
the Essey value. And yeah, so those sorts of things
are actually can Dross legislate to change? Yeah, So so

(14:42):
to me it is about finding out what le slavor
change needs to be and where the investment needs to go.
That's what the census is for, not trying to prove
some guy's theory because he did honors paper in political science.
And so I want to like that cause your job
being going with a your head around job.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
All right, thank you for you Corglin.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, very passionate.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, I mean that is odd what they ask the
what they I'll be interested to know what the process,
what whether why they decide something has to be on
the census. Who decides what the question that needs to
be on the census? And because I argue you, the
census is about knowing where to allocate you know, you
need another school in this area? Yeah, essentially, yeah, yeah,

(15:26):
and so that makes sense to find out how how
many young kids you've got in the area, you know,
obviously at a very basic level, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
But Glenn, I mean he was it was pretty worked
up about that, and he's getting a bit of support
on text. But you could just say, prefer not to say,
you know that to me, wasn't that hard that if
I didn't want to answer question, I'll just tick the
wee box. Preferred not to say. And if there wasn't
a box, there then I'd make the box myself and
say I'm not answering this, and you never hear from anybody.
It's not like they come back knocking on your doors saying,
excuse me, you answer this or we're going to arrest you.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Well, what's the point of I guess then that asks
thinks the question, what's the point of the senses? If
people can just either put their own boxes on there
or or just go now, I don't want to answer
that question. You don't really have you don't really have stats.
If people just go I'm not going to answer that question. Yeah,
do you fair?

Speaker 6 (16:07):
Boy?

Speaker 3 (16:08):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty love to hear your
thoughts on this one. It is twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking
breakfast to.

Speaker 7 (16:17):
Me and Browns the Health Ministry, of course, are these
numbers significant or just that?

Speaker 1 (16:21):
So it's an improvement.

Speaker 8 (16:22):
We're committed to releasing this information so that the public
can see how well our health system is performing, but
ultimately there is still a long.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Way to go.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Are you surprised about the angst around the private segment?

Speaker 9 (16:31):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (16:31):
Look, there's lots of noise from the unions, the Labor Party,
various voices and other media. Of course, who just oppose
anything which is about actually getting things done for patients.
I don't think a patient key is when they're sitting
on the operating table and looking up at the ceiling
and going, oh, my goodness, who owns the roof?

Speaker 1 (16:46):
For?

Speaker 8 (16:46):
They're focused on getting their treatment done, and that is
my focus as Minister of Health is getting the treatments done.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Patients need back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking
Breakfast with the Defender oct News Talk ZB Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
So the traditional census is no more. The government instead
is going to use information it already has on you
to figure out those important population questions that they traditionally
ask along with other speaks. How do you feel about that? Oh,
eighte hundred eighty ten eighty Happy it's gone? Or are
we just getting a bit lazy that we can't fill
out a form anymore?

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Glenn is on the money, says this text a great
call from Glenn. Stats was woke crap in last effort,
But this text of pushes back and says Glenn is
an ignorant cloud hopper.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Cloud hopper, I haven't heard that before cloud hopper?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Is that a well known description of someone a cloud hopper?

Speaker 3 (17:34):
I don't even know what a cloude is.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
We have cloude fights in Prospect Park in Dneda when
I was growing up. But I know what a cloud
hopper is.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
It's a lump of earth or clay or a stupid person.
So jumping over a stupid person? Is that that a
good insult?

Speaker 2 (17:46):
I love that. That's good. Let's start using Claude hopper.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Call regarding senses. Reckon, I'll have to exit my border flatmate,
as I don't need the IOD in internal fairs, figuring
out I've got an additional income, then figure out how
much more tax I should pay.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, that's it coming for you, Hi, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
And the partner Pater, thank you. I do hate parsnips.
The Missus and I had done our civic duty and
the last census online. A couple of weeks later, a
friendly phone call from the Stats department to ask us
why we hadn't done it. We assured her. We had
three more phone calls over the next few weeks, with
the tone of the caller getting more and more annoyed
with us for not doing it and all but accusing

(18:26):
us of lying. I'm over it, especially when the bulk
of the information is available from other agencies. Henry. It's
where that Henry and his wife got followed up so
much because most other people didn't.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah, I hope you've got a bucket chicken for all
that hassel Henry.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Suzette, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (18:44):
Hi there, No, I'm so glad it's given up on
his stupid census scorns for too person. You put your
name on it and it's a personal information, it's no privacy,
and now there will be no way they're going to
access your medical records. That's illegal. Medical called a highly

(19:09):
confidential so nobody's learned to reveal what's in them all.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, I wonder if they can look at broadly though,
the government might be able to find out certain things
in an area, nothing specific with names attached to it,
but this amount of that people say, for example, is
suffering from bell cancer in this area, They might be
able to get that general thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no,

(19:36):
you go, sorry, sorry, Sustte, you go.

Speaker 10 (19:38):
I don't like the fact that the e we had
access to a record and so that I'm glad that stopped.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Now, oh that's yeah, Well, I'm not sure we were
sitting out with that that that's that scandal at the
moment we we we got to the end of that investigation.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yet there was an apology from Stats New Zealand. But yeah,
so the govery inquiry found that the government agencies were
at fault over that censors started misusually quite right. So
there certainly was he changes made after that.

Speaker 10 (20:12):
On the front to the form that the EE we
have access to the census records.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
I didn't have that on my I didn't see that
on my census.

Speaker 10 (20:24):
No, nobody did until I pointed it out.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
All right, he now, Suzette properly. Now, Suzette, you're from Wanganui,
is that right?

Speaker 10 (20:34):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Now, do you remember the Wanganui computer bombing? No, because
that was a famous That was a famous incident. Neil
Roberts was nineteen eighty two and he thought at the time,
so it's related to this issue because the Wanganui computer
was keeping information on on New Zealanders in it and

(20:58):
he tried to blow it up. He blew himself up
at the door of it. And what's really interesting about
that what this young man Neil Roberts was worried about.
It was such a small amount of information that they
could keep on that computer in ninety eighty two, and
now they have so much more information on us the
government and also people share basically all the information on Facebook.

(21:19):
But it's a really really interesting story that the Wangan
computer attack. Yeah, oh, nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
We've got to take a quick break railing and standing
by with the headlines, but we've got full lines. If
you can't get through, keep trying. O eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty you're happy to see the census go?
Or does it say something about us as a society
that we couldn't fill it out last time? Really keen
to hear from you. It is twenty nine to two.

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Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I'm sorry to bother you so lately.

Speaker 11 (23:04):
I need to ask you a few questions for the
Centers Department doing a census of your district this month.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Not the extended paper census, but a quick door to
door version to update our records.

Speaker 11 (23:14):
At this time of night, deadline, we're working all night now.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
You're my last house. I saw your late. I came
a few times.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Listen, let me get that and then you can ask
me through the door.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Well, that's the quine of census that no one wants.
In the two thousand and seventh film The Invasion starring
Nicholas Nichola, Nicole Kidman, and Daniel Craig, that.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Is a terrifying census taker be traumatic for a lot
of people. Man, he started off, well, he said that,
but hello, I'm your censors dooger.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
If he was going to be more honest and said,
I'm been taken over by a fungus that came down
with a crashed space shuttle, which was the plot to
you Move.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
And that's what we're talking about. The census. Traditional census
has been done away with the government will instead use
information it already has on you to formulate the data
that it needs.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Do you know what, I've had a total misunderstanding. So
I started saying that I thought people went fully out
the census and the majority because they were lazy and
they they couldn't be bothered. But judging by this text machine,
a lot of people just don't trust the government and
didn't want to give the government any any information or

(24:28):
just didn't like the questions and the census and just
hated the whole thing. So that wasn't so much that
judging by this, I mean, I don't know what the
exact numbers of people that couldn't be bothered doing it
and could potentially be coaxed by KFC or whatever it was,
and the people that just actively didn't want to do it,
But a whole lot of people put the effort into
not doing it because they hate the whole thing, which

(24:51):
is interesting. I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Very Yeah, but I do wonder with this new approach
whether they're going to have access to more information about people.
That is the ironic thing that I think having more
access to government departments that traditionally keep it within that
department and only they can see it on your behalf,
eventually that gets opened up to more well.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
As I was saying, before the Woe and the Week
computer was attacked in nineteen eighty two by Neil Roberts,
a twenty two year old because it contained this information
on US transport courts and corrections information, fire incences, traffic offending,
your motor license number, and driver's license, and that was
enough back then for someone to go this is a

(25:31):
massive breach of my rights them having all this information
and blow themselves up at the door of it. Yes,
but a lot of people seem to be quite happy
that the government's got that much information on.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Us now exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Oh, I tell you what. A lot of people seem
quite happy to put nearly all their information up on
social media.

Speaker 12 (25:45):
They certainly do. Craig, how are you ged a Craig, Craig,
Greggy waggy Craig, Greg?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Are you teaching?

Speaker 9 (25:58):
There is I must be a cloud hopper, but I'm
a birth guye.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
And there's cloud hopper behavior, Craig.

Speaker 9 (26:05):
Look, I sat down, opened up the census, read it
all and put it in the fireplace. I went goring
to fill it out. And I think the new system
is a lot better. But I don't think they will be.
You know, if they want health questions, I'll go to
practitioners or wide amount of health or whatever and now go, okay,
that what's the percent of the people that are being

(26:27):
monitored for bal cancer and that kind of thing. You'll
get percentages. You're not going to get individuals called out.
And that's the same as within that revenue. You'll get
percentages of people that earn certain amounts in that, but
putting your name on it. And I've got to admit
probably since COVID, well, since they're just into a Duran government,

(26:49):
I lost all faith in government. And I think a
lot of Kiwis are along the same line. They just
don't trust government now.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
And.

Speaker 9 (27:01):
The least amount of information they get with my name
attached the better.

Speaker 13 (27:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
That's interesting? And when you say so you got sent
a paper you did a paper census that you threw
in the bin. Was that a metaphorical throwing it in
the in the fire from you?

Speaker 9 (27:15):
No, No, we've got we've got a we've got a
paper one. And then about it's a couple of weeks
three weeks after and people pulled up the driveway and
they had paper one saying we hadn't filed it out
or actually we posted it and and they left and
it went in then serator. But because I don't trust
government now, I don't, But I don't mind the maxis

(27:38):
in my details without the name attached.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Right, yeah, Now, what about I brought this up a
couple of times, so I might be repeating myself. But
the one question that stood out to me, which seemed
to be helpful that the government would not be able
to bring together with the administrative information that they have
about all of us. Was the question on black mold.
So black mold is a big issue in housing in

(28:00):
New Zealand, especially in places I've lived in the South Island,
and so they asked, do you have black mold in
your That's that kind of question. It is pretty handy
to have someone answer the question, isn't it in the
census form?

Speaker 9 (28:16):
Look there, I think you should be able to have
voluntary things that you could possibly go online and if
you if you've got a concern about black mold and
you want your concern listed, maybe there's a voluntary a
website you can go to and it's like a census website,
but you can do it anonymously.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
That's interesting. So you then you just advertise, Look, if
you've got these issues, these are the issues that the
government is worried about, and we want to know the
areas where this is a problem. Advertise that, go online
and click and if these problems are in your area,
you sort of flip it around the other way.

Speaker 9 (28:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there's no perfect system, but
I think there is a lot of trust been lost
between society and government.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, definitely seems to be a long time. Judging by
this text machine, there definitely seems to people people that
were just like yourself. I'm not calling that out for
you guys, because I don't trust you in your It was.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
A protests element, absolutely get there. But Craig, genuinely because
the one we do know and has been mentioned by
the Minister is ird's information that it's got on you.
So that is using your name on how much you earn,
how much text you're paying. You know what if you've
got trusts under your name, are you comfortable with Stats
New Zealand accessing that information?

Speaker 9 (29:29):
Look, they will, the government will get that. If they
want that information, they'll get it. They don't need me
to tell them.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
And also and also why do they trust us to
tell the truth? I mean we all remember those campaigns
to get Jedi as one of the major religions or
one to register as a religion in New Zealand. I
think it had to be over a certain percentage before
it was listed in the in the stats. And so
there was this whole campaign to put your religion as Jedi. Right,
So if that is out there. How could Stats New

(29:59):
Zealand even trust the information that's come through. Maybe I
was sitting there. I'm sitting there and I feel it
makes me feel a little bit better to pretend to
be richer than I am on the census to so
it's point just so I feel a little bit better
about myself or something, you know.

Speaker 9 (30:11):
Oh, one hundred percent, And it's just you know, people
are doing something out of they don't want to do it,
they feel legally they have to do it. They're not
going to be one hundred percent honest, and some people
just won't do it. The more you know, I had
the system that is being mooted as the best system

(30:33):
and go for me and mate, it's yeah, at least
I have to do with government for better.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Good on you, Craig, thank you for the call. Well,
I'm not sure if I'm let's not saying good on
you for having listed with the government. I'm not sure
where I sit on that one. But good on you
for your call and having such a strong opinion on it.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, that's the one I one hundred and eighty ten.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I mean, ideally, we'd want a government that we that
we trust and we and that we know we'll do
the best for us, but a lot of people don't
think that's the case.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Certainly been eroded over the last few years.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Adrian says, black mold was recently found to be no
more harmful than any other mold. It was a misdiagnosis
from a study done in the American eighties, since proven
to be false.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Oh, I don't know, Adrian. You need to come and studio.
We'll have some black mold for you and you can
eat it in front of us and we'll see how.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
You go there.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I trust that I've been spending quite a lot of
my life worried about black mold. It turns out I
didn't need to anyway. I'll look into that.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Love your thoughts on the end
of the traditional census. Say you're happy or are you
upset that that is going at sixteen to two?

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons,
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Fourteen to two having a good discussion about the end
of the traditional census, and.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Look, black mold is not a problem.

Speaker 13 (31:53):
Look at this.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Apparently here the duplic Allen dealt with us last night.
Either had had the segment on a show about black
mold being no more harmful than any other mold Roger.
Black mold is often associated with harmful toxins, it's not
inherently more dam dangerous than other types of mold, and
is unlikely to cause serious illness or death. And most
people exposed you to high levels of any mold, including
black mold, can trigger allergy symptoms and susceptible individuals, and

(32:17):
may worsen existing respiratory conditions. However, there was no strong
evidence that black mold specifically causes long term health issues.
On these allergy related effects.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Well, that makes everyone feel a little bit better. I
hope it's not the black death that it was described
for a long time.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Well, I'm annoyed about the time I've spent worrying about
black mold, all that cleaning, all that scrubbing. It was
a flat I was staying in Leath Valley in Dunedin
that was just riddled with black mold, and I was
sure everyone everyone was going to die.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
It's not turned out it was just a bit of fungy. Yeah, Ken,
you worked on the census.

Speaker 13 (32:50):
Yes, I worked on census taking twenty eleven. And they
tell you all these things and you get a lot
of reviews from people because you can get fined take
them to court. But the next senses, well, it was
the nice area, and they tell you that everyone that's
in the country will be visisted that night, No one,

(33:15):
no taurus. I spent weeks and the census take it
in their the area. She was most embarrassed. She couldn't
find forms to give to people because they wouldn't send
them because they didn't take into account the amount of tourists.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Oh why.

Speaker 13 (33:33):
Yeah, after that, they wouldn't send me any census forms
because I didn't live as a designated as rest.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I lived in the house truck, right, Okay, So just
just to clarify, So you worked on the centus in
twenty eleven. Were you in the house truck at that point?

Speaker 3 (33:51):
No, I'm just I'm just having a look, Ken, and
if you got your years right, because that I'm just
looking up there because I recalled it was canceled after
the earthquake, and it was was that the next year after?
Was it walt back in twenty twelve.

Speaker 13 (34:05):
They did it again in twenty thirteen and live and
I did, and we had started doing it out the
forms and people had filled them out and then that died. Yeah,
with that stop. So when they did the next one,
I was in an isolated area in the house truck

(34:27):
on the head and I asked all the cancer backpackers
next day, knowing that it was no one came to
the form. They didn't even know what it was.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
It would be a pretty diligent, you know, a backpacker
to sit down in a country they're just visiting briefly
and fill out the census forming people. New Zealanders can
be get through it.

Speaker 13 (34:49):
But that's what sex is supposed to happen. That's what
they used to tell you. Yeah, the next one, they
started going online and they seen people out of number,
But I was in my house truck still team. I
couldn't get it one because I didn't hit the number.
I didn't hit an address. That makes yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
So so you're saying, basically, as a house truck dweller,
you wouldn't be on the census or have any way
of being registered by the government anyway.

Speaker 13 (35:18):
Yeah, Well, they tell you they're supposed to be the
last one. Yeah, i'm boarding now because I can't go
online to government things because of that. Two years ago. Yeah,
it wouldn't see me a paper one. There were a feuge.
The only certain areas get the paper one.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Right saying did you do you have and there's an
interesting question do you run a do you run a
post office box or something?

Speaker 13 (35:42):
Again, for being it, they won't send them to those.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Well, that's silly, sounds like it was always a basket case.
I was going to say the good old days of
twenty eleven, but it was. It was a bit of
a waste of time then as well.

Speaker 14 (35:53):
Can Yeah, it's been like that the whole time. And
then they never used the information. I mean after the
Earthquakesparata was closing schools when the censors showed the area
was having more people arrived there because they're moving on
from the worst damage.

Speaker 13 (36:10):
Yes, you will know, are you still?

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah? Yeah, you're quite right. After the earthquakes there was
there was a lot of movement there and and and
a lot of changes that weren't taken into account. You're
still in the house bus now.

Speaker 13 (36:21):
Ken, No, I have to give a new one. I'm
boarding now. But but even this going off other government departments.
They've never got acurate information. They make their own information.
Not hell actually is was three.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I think if you call Ken and I hope you
get out in the house bus again.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, it seems like good life the old house bus.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah. Well, I guess the census is missing house bus people.
But what is the percentage of New Zealand house busy
And how do you really allocate resources to a house
bus exactly? Because there are different places. It seems like
a very expensive thing to try and find all those people. Right,
I'll tell you what you don't get in a moving
house bus, black mold. You're on the road, There's eight

(37:07):
to two.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Zib it is five to two.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Our local Tipuna tennis club and Totongo was recently demolished
due to black mold. It's not like baby slip there
and apart from the weekends, it wasn't really used that much.
But the council pulled it down and built another one
huge waste of money. Nonsense and then it turns out
that black mold's body sweet airs.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
That is a massive shame.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
It's about as bad for you as the mold you
get on camn beer, which is tasty. As someone who
has lived on a boat for the last twenty years,
the new census won't take into account our kind of
living as it's about housing. Also, no residential address make
it hard to get recognized. Steve. Yeah, there's house, but house. House.
Truck people and boat people have never been really registered

(37:58):
in that the censors have they known. I recall says
as texture in the early nineties my parents having to
get guests in our motel to complete the censors.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Man, that's a weird thing, getting tourists to complete it.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
That would have been a boy, Tom, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (38:12):
Yeah, good afternoon, Jans. You imagine how many million wire
in their way, say, from not doing this crazy sort
of carry on.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
I believe it'll be one hundred and seventy three million
to be that's an intimate.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
So you'll take that money.

Speaker 15 (38:26):
I'll take that and put it into something half decent.
Pay down the debt. Maybe because mege them up at
answers they get from people, they probably looked at them
and went, no way, you do not have half a
dozen kids. You know when you'll be getting all that
sort of carry on. Maybe back in the nineteen sixties
in society was more cohesive or and as a man

(38:48):
said earlier, remember what we had just gone through a
year before or too. It wasn't a fun time. So
I think they realized that they'd been sold out and
let's finish it up.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
I'll think if you call Tom Nice called, I think
it's the consensus.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
People either hate the government completely and don't want anything
to do with them and don't want the census, or
they think it was useless anyway and don't want it.
There's very few people that are saying we love that
odd sensus.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Right down the middle, fifty to fifty. Great discussion though,
thank you very much. Coming up after two o'clock. Another
great discussion. You'rerope freaking out about too many tourists, but
have you been to those hotspots? We want to hear
from you on O eight hundred and eighty T and eighty.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 9 (39:32):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Afternoon Chier welcome back into the show. Just a reminder
at three point thirty pm Gareth abdenall employment law expert
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Speaker 2 (39:51):
Tyler, you might have an issue with me because I've
pumped up the heat in the studio and the my
Costking Memorial studio to thirty two degrees.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
You're a mad dog, absolute mad dog. I'm sweating my
butt off in here, and I don't know what to
do because this thing takes an age to drop back down.
Even if I drop it back down to eighteen, it's
going to take two hours to.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Get back to.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Actually, I'm scared of hear this, so I'll drop it
back down with half an hour before drive head the
duplessy Allen because she she'll go us, she'll go us
as she comes in here. And it's a tropical paradise.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, we just need a little bit of sand in here,
some palm tree, some mahitos.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Now I'm looking to test the limits of the technology
we have at Newstalks z'b and I just want to
see how hot we can get this room.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
You're giving me PTSD from when I moved up here
and felt that humidity. It's yeah, hard to focus, but
bear with us. It was thirty two degrees in here.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Ah Davis just texted, Hey, Matt, just driven Hopetown Street
again and they are now fifty kilometers in our signs.
Go figure. So I got pinged just two weeks ago
for driving at fifty one kilometers an hour in the
center of Auckland City, which fifty should be the speed
limit everyone knows since the dawn of time, since Fred's

(40:58):
flintstone had his feet sticking out the bottom of his
stone vehicle with wooden wheels. Fifty k is the speed
that you drive around cities that I got pained going
over Hopetown Bridge. Good luck getting a pedestrian anywhere near
there to hit ye.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
And you've named and shamed the people responsible for that
absolute atrocity of policy.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I just remember Richard Hills because it was one of them.
Richard Hills is the only one I remember, the councilor
that thinks that your time is not worth anything as
willing to slow you down to thirty k anyway, I
get paying for the one hundred and seventy dollars ticket
and thirty demerit points just two weeks ago, and now
it's fifty k, well like it should be.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
I reckon Richard Hill put up those signs. He heard
you when he said, I'm going to show Matt he
you haven't paid it yet, have you? I've paid it,
oh asked for a refund. I mean, that's contestable. Fight
the power.

Speaker 16 (41:41):
You know.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
They can't be doing that.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
People like is it Richard Hill's or Richard Hill He's
just one of the many members of the Auckland City
Council that voted for speed limits to stay at thirty
k in places.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
We'll bring that back up before the election. It's important.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
The more you clench your fist, Richard Hill's, the more
star systems that will slip through your grip.

Speaker 17 (42:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
But anyway, Dave, thanks for sending that through and getting
met back on the rant. They'd just forgotten about it.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Don't just stopped.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I don't just shut up about you were so happy today.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Anyway, that's not what we're talking about. We've gone off
peace we have, not about the temperature in the studio
or my unfair parking fines, I mean speeding fines.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
I'll tell you what. The studio was starting to feel
a little bit like bath Alona, and that is kind
of what we're talking about. So the square guns have
returned to the streets in Spain as thousands gathered for
the long planned protests against mass tourism and cities across
southern Europe. Same in Genoa, in Italy and Lisbon and Portugal,
and also at the Louver, the world's most visited museum,

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it has now closed its doors. Staff as striking. They
say the institution is crumbling under the weight of mass tourism.
So the question we want to put to you is
have you actually been to any any of these sites?
Have you been to Bathlona, have you been to Italy?
Have you been to Lisbon? Have you been to the Coliseum?
Have you been to the Louver?

Speaker 4 (42:58):
And what was it like?

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Was it cram full of tourists? What was the response
like from the locals? Did you feel their wrath? Did
you feel unwelcome at those particular places?

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Because I've heard some horror stories from friends that were
recently visiting the Colisseum and they see it. It's just
freaking horrible, absolutely rammed trying to get in. There's people
running scams on you NonStop. And I you know, I
was in Paris at the end of last year and
wherever you go there's people running socricuur up socricu, you know,

(43:30):
re enacting for a video the fight scene from john
Wick four. But there was just so many people there
and so many scams being run. There were people coming
up and they were saying, you know, sign this, you know,
sign this petition to save soccer CLU and then and
then when you sign it, they say, well at the
bottom it says you that's twenty euros donation and then

(43:52):
they do, you know, standover tactics to get get the
get the money off you. So but is it just
too horrible to go to those places now? Is it
just too intense to go to the full tourist traps
of Europe? And second question, we're sitting eighty percent levels,
I believe just looking at the most recent stats of
pre COVID tourism levels to New Zealand, and before COVID

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there was talk that we had too many tourists come
into our country there was would have people flipped on
that now and would we just desperately love to have
ridiculous amounts of tourists in the country blocking all our services.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I think we've got short memories because now we're at
eighty percent and we need some more tourists coming in
so we can fleece them, as you've mentioned before, and
take more money off them. But you're right, places like Queenstown,
the Mackenzie District, rotorua Wanakat, a lot of the locals
were screaming saying no more tourists. But I think that's
drastically changed. You'd hope so. But then when they come
in again and we're at two hundred percent capacity of tourists,

(44:48):
guarantee people will get their quirt guns out and go
South European on them.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Well, you can see, you know, the point of view
from people in Buffalona, and it's similar to people that
live in Queenstown, the right payers of somewhere like Queenstown
that you know there's a small rate paying pool and
then there's just thousands and thousands and thousands of people
coming into the country and going straight to queen and
they use the facilities they test the infrastructure, but don't

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pay the rates to be there so you can you
can see if it gets too big. And then there's
a problem with tourism in New Zealand and tourism in
Europe as people just go to the same places. It's
not equal distantly spread out across the whole place.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Is it.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah? Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you've been to some of these
hot spots in Europe. How did it go, how many
people were there and what was the response from the locals,
Because nobody wants to go on holiday to a new
place or somewhere exciting, and the locals treat them quite poorly,
particularly if you're having a nice cross sant outside of
Paris and they come along with squirt.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I don't think you. I don't think you need to
lean on the tea so hard their time last song.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Oh eight hundred eighty teen eighties number call.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
High zb Paris is not the city of love. It
smells of wheeze over popular population, way too costly, says
been there?

Speaker 3 (46:00):
I have heard that It is thirteen past two. Back
in a moment, Wow your home.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk ZIB.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Very good afternoon to you. We're talking about protests in
southern Europe on the mass tourism that they say they're
facing at the moment. That's happening in bath Alone, or
it's happening in Italy, it's happening in Portugal. So keen
to you from you if you've been to any of
those countries or those hotspots, what does it really like?
Is it jam pack full of people? And how do
the locals treat you? Did you feel about of hate

(46:35):
when you were there? That's not what you want to
feel when you're on holiday. Oh eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty Z number call.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Sharon Stewart, Morris Williamson and councilor Ken Turner all voted
to increase the speed limits in the city from thirty
thirty k. So so don't don't punish them.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Shout out to those three.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Shout out for those three being the only people with
any kind of care for the time and the sanity
of the citizens of Auckland City.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Yet well done. Those counselors put that one to.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Bed anyway, I'll stop raving about that.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
I still anger the elections coming up in October. Ruth,
you went to the Louver last year or Ruth, We're
just that phone line is just breaking up a little bit.
Hopefully it comes right. You just keep talking to us.
It sounds like you're driving at the moment. Oh, yep,

(47:26):
that sounded a good.

Speaker 18 (47:27):
Oh now you.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
We might get our producer Andrew to call you back
and see if we can sort out that land line.
Sorry about that, Ruth. We really want to talk to you,
So let's lets see if we can get back through Hugh.
Your thoughts.

Speaker 19 (47:43):
Here, Hi, guys open fortunate enough to spend time in
the last three years Figer six week skin Europe. So
last year was Barcelona all the way down through Lisbon.
The year before it was France and Italy, and a
year before that was Venus during COVID, which nobody was.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
There, all right, right saying that you went to Venice.
You into Venice during COVID, Yep.

Speaker 19 (48:08):
Right at the end of COVID, and we got a
picture of Saint Mark's Square where about eight in the morning,
where there's not another individual in it.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Wow, we use there because there were stories that was
it dolphins that were coming out the coming up the
canals and the water was running clear and the canals,
Is that correct?

Speaker 20 (48:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (48:28):
I didn't actually see that, but our support our daughter
was based out of London for three years, so we'd
find to London and then go for trips. But the
big key to all of these places, whether it be
Rome or Barcelona or whatever, if you want to do
the tourist thing, you've got to be out there at
seven in the morning, do it first thing, right, Yeah,

(48:49):
because Europeans tend to like to sleep in a little
bit and you know, they're not out in about till
nine or ten. And yeah, we've never you know, roam.
None of it was really a big problem. The Mouseea
Coast was traffic wise. Driving It was a little bit
of an issue just because they're crazy. But yeah, and
I currently live in Queenstown uh and a half years

(49:12):
and the biggest problems here traffic ways are caused by
all the construction. I'm in construction. All the trade is
going to work at you know, seven thirty eight in
the Morning's traffic jown, not the turs.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah, right, So you're you're you're a Queenstown resident, and
you think that you've got room for more tourists to
start coming back into the system.

Speaker 19 (49:31):
Absolutely, moral hotels being built, the roadworks are still you
know an issue from the airport into the township. So
they really do need to work on their tme putting
an aerial skyway in or yeah, from the airport to downtown.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I'm excited to go on left. Yeah yeah, Now now
you're right, payer Hugh in that area.

Speaker 19 (49:57):
Absolutely absolutely, And so.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Because that's some some of the complaints before COVID anywhere
we're from right pays. That's saying that a small population
of right paths we're having to cover the infrastructure to
you of just teens and teens of thousands of tourists
coming into the city, but you know into the area
does that but that doesn't bother you.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (50:18):
And in the sense that those tens and tens of
thousands of tourists bring in the money, you know, without them,
this town wouldn't exist. So people need to keep that
in the back of their mind that we are a
tourist based town whether we like it or not. And
it is a stunning place to live.

Speaker 18 (50:35):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (50:36):
And I don't think our rates are not much higher
than Auckland rates.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Get that off right, And so you were you in
Queenstown pre COVID, Yes, so what about that level of tourism?
Would you want to go above that level of tourism?
Would you think that was heading a peak at that point?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Rarely?

Speaker 19 (50:57):
So, as most locals, we don't tend to go to
the waterfront and Queenstown. Yeah, we don't need to go
there for shopping. We've got Frankdin or five mile remarkables
areas that we can access everything we need. But it
is quite fun to be when visitors come to see us,
to go downtown and be a tourist and get the buzz.

(51:18):
And it's still not that I think there are at
the occasional school holidays for instance, art but you know
right now when if he went down at six of
what that name.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Yes, the balance is always there here, isn't it with
a place like Queenstown. And as you say, arguably you
could do with some more tourists coming in there and
spending money. That was good for all the businesses and
good for everybody, but their balance of looking after the
locals who still spend money in the cafes and restaurants
and making sure it's accessible for them, but also accommodating
for the tourists. That's always that fine balance, and that

(51:49):
was my understanding of some of the concern before COVID,
when it was starting to heave at the seam a
little bit.

Speaker 19 (51:56):
I think the bigger issues probably around affordable housing. You know,
I'm fortunate enough to own property, but for a lot
of people on a hospitality income, having some places to
live is very tough.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, of course, Thank you so much for
your call. Q. It is interesting that idea of, you know,
the people that live in these mechas that people go to.
I met some people that from Las Vegas when I
was last in the States, and they were just suburban
Las Vegas sites. Is that what you call Las vegaans yep.
And they never go to the Strip, but the Strip
is absolutely Their idea of Las Vegas is just a suburban,

(52:33):
nice schools, nice town place to live. They have absolutely
nothing to do with the sin city part of it
and would never go there. Yeah, it's just for tourists
and you when when you're flying in there's a lot
of Las Vegas just as an example. Las Vegas that
that is is just you know, nice suburban city.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Would it be like? Because I haven't been for some time,
and it's expanded heavily since then. It's almost like satellite
little towns outside of the strip, right, So you get
the suburban that's been spread out through the desert, but
then little satellite mules that pop up, and.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, yeah, there's little places. There's Old Vegas, New Vegas.
But a lot of people don't even go anywhere near there.
In fact, Mark Wohlberg and his family's just moved to
the area just because it's a nice suburban place to live.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Good actor. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Have you seen that?

Speaker 3 (53:20):
I love his movies?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Have you seen that happening?

Speaker 21 (53:22):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, that's a terrible that was it was that his
fault was that that director who has he hasn't had
a hit for a long time.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Oh, yes, he has. What was his last I like,
knock at the Cabin door?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (53:33):
That was good?

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Oh yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah, the village head
time for the village. Yeah it was anyway. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've been to some of
these tourist hot spots in southern Europe, love to hear
from you if you've been to the Louver. There is
a big pushback on mass tourism from the locals and
the Louvers now shut their doors.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
And it looks like Ruth's back so we can ask
her about her experience in the Louver last year twenty.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Four past two.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Twenty six PAS two over tourism or masterism is upsetting
locals and Barsalona, Portugal, Italy and now the Louver has
been closed Starff on strike saying that they cannot deal
with the number of tourists that are coming through the
world's most famous museum. I love to hear your thoughts
on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Hey, he this is this Texter. I got back from
Europe four weeks ago. Tourist hotspots were an absolute nightmare
and it wasn't even peak season. Cheers and cheers for
your text, Ruth. We've got your back, have we Yep,
I'm here. Oh what a beautiful clear line that is now?
Sorry about that, No no problem at all. So you
enter the Louver in October last year, I believe.

Speaker 17 (54:43):
Yes, during our New Zealand school holidays, just we're lucky
enough to have a couple of friends and family to
stay with for a very quick trip, and didn't do everything,
but booked a time slot about a week before, and
it was admittedly an afternoon slot, like three o'clock or something,
and then one day during the week and stood in line,

(55:06):
got in. But it was insane. But my point the
reason I ran saying, you know, even though we booked
a time slot thinking that would save us hours in
a cure, it probably saved us a couple of hours
in a que But it was extraordinarily busy. I had
been lucky enough to be in two thousand and five,
two thousand and four, it was only the time then,
and I remember being busy, and that was like the beginning.

(55:26):
That was April in the morning, you know, Like, so
I guess these places are this yeah, overrun. I'd like
to say too that I felt that it wasn't. It
wasn't the museums and stuff in Europe, the couple of
ones I went to this time with my children. It
didn't seem particularly expensive, you know, I felt it was
quite RESTful, and maybe that's part of a problem, you know,
they want to keep it accessible, but yeah, yeah it was.

Speaker 22 (55:50):
It was.

Speaker 17 (55:51):
It was insane in the sort of auditorium area of
the love that that afternoon inside. Once you got in,
you sort of yeah, it was yeah, crazy, thousands of people.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
So was this thousands and thousands of art lovers that
are packing in there to stand back from look through
all the paintings and observe them for a long period
of time. Was it just a mob trying to see
the Mona Lisa.

Speaker 17 (56:15):
Well, most, I would say a good portion were exactly
just making a beeline for the Mona Lisa. But and
then of course they'd like to move you on from that,
Like you don't get to stand back and appreciate it
because you're kind of moved on quite quickly, you know,
like because there's just like this wave of people coming
into the room.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, it's not to move on. And this is going
to be controversial, but it's not even that good the moment.
I mean, the only reason why we believe that it's
the greatest painting in the world is it was stolen
at one point and it was a news story that
went around the world. And then that at that point,
before it was stolen, it was down in a little
corner in the louver and it wasn't even considered a
very significant da Vinci. And then it was necked and

(56:55):
then the stories went round this is the greatest painting
in the world, and it just became incredibly famous. But
I mean there's there's more amazing things in the louver.
I mean, the Venus de Milo's in there, yep, yep.

Speaker 17 (57:07):
No lots of things to look at, but the thing, yeah,
and lots of different era you know, different time frames
and stuff like that, you know, throughout history to see,
you know, and so but I guess, yeah, just that
that just creates, yes, created its own problem, and there's

(57:27):
like and also the other thing is that you couldn't
even if you wanted to do it properly, of course,
even a day, it's not really not even enough.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, if you wanted to spend ten minutes looking at
each painting, like you should possibly give it the time
to fully sort of understand and observe the painting, then
you would be in there for a lifetime.

Speaker 17 (57:47):
Yeah, So you know, that was just it was when
you mentioned the louver, I said, I'd call because yeah,
we had been there relatively recently.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 17 (57:54):
But can I just say one thing, yeah, one really
quickly about content et cetera and the infrastructure and all
the rest of it. But I thought that there was
a tourist text when you when tourists flew enginews and
so I presume the councils can apply for money. I
can't remember what it was for. I thought it was
for this of creating infrastructure to help with the tourists.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
To know whether that is allocated for where the tourists go,
because it's taken when they arrive in the country. But
I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know, but I can
imagine it just going into the system and beings.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
As I understand it as a contestable fund, so it
all goes to Tourism New Zealand and then the regions
right contest for the funding that they say they need.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Oh that's good, all right, thank you so much for
your call, Ruth. I'd like to see the astronomer. You
know that picture is Johann Vermier. Just look that's in
the louver. It's it's a fantastic painting.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Yeah, anyway, I mean It's all the influences, isn't it.
Let's let's be honest here when it comes to the
Mona Lisa, all those young people, and that's all the
only reason they go into the Louver is to get
a picture in front of the Mona Lisa, post it
up on Instagram, get their likes and say that there
aren't connoisseurs. And I think that's what's upsetting the staff
at the Lover. I can understand that.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I mean, how ironic is You've got an amazing piece
of art that the pure and utter narcissism, narcissism and
vacuous nature of you obscuring a piece of genius to
take a picture of yourself in front of it for likes.
You are literally obscuring part of something absolutely genius for

(59:27):
a photo of yourself. Anyone that does that is that
they need to look inside their soul and find out
if there's anything in it.

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Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Thank you very much, Raylean, and we're talking about protests
against mass tourism in southern Europe. Just before we go on,
can I say how how hot it is in here
right now? If you look them in the Borneo jungle,
this condensation dripping off the window. Matt cranked the AC
up to as high as it can go. I think
about thirty seven degrees.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Well, you know, like everyone's complaining how cold it is
in Auckland at the moment, but we're both southern lands. Yeah,
so you know, if people are going to complain how
cold it is, I'm going to pump the air conditioning
up to thirty one degrees and see if people will
stop winging here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
There's going to be so angry with you, mate, Yeah,
I want to turn it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Down and scared of this text is Matt dropped the
art critics stuff and stick to cricket, alcohol and music.
That's from a Jonathan Coleman. Oh right, okay, okay, what
if it's the Jonathan Coleman.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
But you do love your cricket, alcohol end music. He's
right on that point, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
But my art criticism that the Mona Liza is a
bit rubbish. It's probably not the greatest level of art criticism.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Come on, Da Vinci you can do better.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Hey, any chat on European vacations and the overcrowding you've.

Speaker 13 (01:01:58):
Got to you can't help them, think of drive around
the circle garrit a second.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Lapsed European vacation.

Speaker 23 (01:02:05):
Hey, look, kids, there's big band and there's parliament.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
An American family been getting caught on a roundabout because
they don't have roundabouts in the States. To see if
you get over and the leaf Johnny phone next. Sorry,
we'll get out of.

Speaker 13 (01:02:20):
This gentle in a minute, kids, Big Man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
The Griswolds is such a great movie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
It is a fantastic movie. Was it from nineteen eighty five?
Is it's a long time ago that year they ended
up in the roundabout, just going around around, spotting Big
Ben over and over again.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Plenty of teas coming through. We'll get to some of
those very shortly. But Scott's you are on the road
all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
Yeah, good a gentlemen. Hey, I remember because obviously listening
to your fine radio for a number of years now,
well they've been driving around and of course different presenters
back in the day raised the issues around tourism being
a big problem in New Zealand and the biggest problem
that we had before COVID was the type of tourists
we were seeing, so we were the biggest issue was

(01:03:03):
the freedom campers and the juicy rental guys and the
only ones that made money off them really pack and
save some baked beans and spaghetti. So they were the
biggest issue in our country at the time as I
remember it. Anyway, it wasn't so much we got a
lot of tourists. We just got a particular type of
tourist that we're here purely just to drive beat up

(01:03:23):
little vans. Juicies was an upgrade. Let's be honest and
be a major problem. Drive on the wrong side of
the road too, which is a poor boy. That happened
quite a bat.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
That's not a good, no, it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
And a lot of the times they didn't even speak
our language, you know, because they're from different parts of
the world obviously, so made it a little bit hard
and challenging with our road rules, I guess, and maybe
some of the signs I don't know, but they struggled.
But yeah, it was is the way they went about
their tourism in our country. So I guess the high
end ones. I guess the ones that come here and

(01:03:57):
play goal for whatever else they do. I guess they're
they're the ones we probably want because they add to
our in our country, don't they? But how do you
get money here?

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
How do you do that?

Speaker 9 (01:04:09):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
How do you restrict urism to the point that you
want the ones that are going to spend some money
and not mess up the infrastructure and drive on the
correct side of the road and stuff. How do you
prioritize I guess you could advertise, you know, if we
spend a certain amount of money on the one hundred
percent pure campaign only in flash magazines.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
I don't think there is an answer to it, lad.
We certainly haven't seen that return since COVID. It's certainly
not the problem used it was prior. I don't know.
It's it's a bit of a word of mouth thing. Hey,
you know, a whole bunch of twenty year olds get
together and they have a great time, and then they
go and tell a whole bunch of other twenty year
olds they had a great time, and by all means
come to our country and have a great time, because
it is fantastic. But what I'm sort of saying here, lads,

(01:04:53):
is that that was the problem that was pre COVID.
Before COVID, that was that was the big concern. Everyone
got grumpy. You know that these guys were taking poos
onside the road, and I can vouch I did see
that on State Highway four. Ye campers just taking a
dump right on the grass on the edge.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Of the road sometimes sometimes you know, being a sometimes
that as locals that are doing that. Though we've got it,
we can't rule out the disgusting locals that have.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Driven to take it on the side of the road too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
But what about the segment, Scott. You hear this argument
quite a lot that these say American or European backpackers,
they come here when they're young and they love it
so much. They have such a fantastic time. They're poor
at that point, but then they go away, they become
wealthy and they talk about their trip to New Zealand
so much. They then come back years later with their

(01:05:46):
family and spend up cash. So it's sort of a
long game in a way.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Yeah, I guess it sort of comes back to what
I sort of said, You don't want to turn them away,
and we can't write they're allowed to come into our country.
They applied for a visa for a holiday and they
can come. It doesn't matter now what they're doing if
they're driving a you know, a tesla around the countryside,
or they're driving a and this and caravan. But you're right,
there has to be an environment where one that they

(01:06:14):
enjoy and they want to come back and spend money.
I would welcome that. There's no way we can stop it.
But I guess you'd look at the Auckland def Sea owner, right, So.

Speaker 16 (01:06:22):
He came here on a holiday with an old bunch
of tourists, really loved the place, brought wineries and now
he's invested with the sports club and he's also going
to invest in Auckland infrastructure all on his own.

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
I mean, how fantastic is that? And that's a great
advert for New Zealand and about what we can offer
people from overseas as a country, a better way of
living and a great environment for you for your children
to grow up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
And so on one hand you've got it, you've got
to balance it out. Potentially, Scott, you've got you know,
one thousand freedom campers defecating on the side of our
roads and one Bill Foley coming here investing in a
fantastic football club and then investing in the company. So
maybe it's a sort of a driftnet fishing type approach

(01:07:06):
to getting people that actually help the country. And hey,
thanks some of it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
Some white netlds.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Exactly just need the big one.

Speaker 21 (01:07:14):
Thanks for you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Call Scott.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Love to hear your thoughts about over tourism.
Are we facing it here in some parts of New
Zealand again or do we need the tourists to come
back here? And also, if you've been to some of
these hot spots in Europe where these mass protests are
taking place, what was it like? Was it jam packed
full of punishing tourists? Were you one of those punishing tourists?
Did you get a bit of stick from the locals?

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Love to hear from you, Hey, I took my nine
year old daughter to Paris and April she insisted on
getting a beret. I kept calling her Audrey, which is
one of the Griswold daughters. Well, the Griswold daughter, she
is Matt there. Great, that would have been a reference
that a nine year old would not get.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
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Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
A bit of fun along the way. Matt Heathen, Tyler
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B, News Talks B. It is quarter to three.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
This is a good text from Bill must correct Scott
the odd starving English geezer my by a can of
baked beans, but no one except Kiwi's by canned spaghetti,
especially Italians. I did this article for The Herald a
few years back, and it was taking spaghetti on toast
with heaps of grated cheese to fancy Italian Italian restaurants

(01:08:25):
and asking people that have moved from Italy to start
fantastic Italian restaurants what they thought of spaghetti on toast.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Not fans, they wouldn't have had a sense of humor
about that fad. You lucky to get out of lot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
What's that really fancy Italian restaurant? And mounted and it's
really good mount Eden Italian. I look it up, but
they were like they couldn't believe pasta I cure fantastic
Italian restaurant And on the front of their menu it
says spag bowl is not an Italian dish. They're they're

(01:09:00):
very clear what Italian food is and how we get
it wrong. And they were not impressed by spagy on
toast and I said, you're wrong. Spaghetti on toast is delicious.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
You're a brave man. May Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eight s number to call Alan, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 18 (01:09:17):
Yeah, oh guys, how are you good? Spaghetti and baked
beans with a pokest egg on tops even better.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
I'm going to open an Italian restaurant that just does
just does Italian food.

Speaker 18 (01:09:31):
Yeah, don't ask me, You've had my sandwich choices. But look,
you're kind of going to break it into two things.

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
I guess.

Speaker 18 (01:09:39):
First of all, whether Europe we're actually going over and
ten days and stuff, And the problem is you alluded
to it before. You've got day trippers and influencers who
just want to tick a box. Yeah, And then combined
with that, you've got the tour groups which are doing
like fifty two cities in a week type of thing,

(01:10:00):
and so there's pressure to get somewhere quick and see
stuff and then move on. But we've never had a
issue because we stay in these places for like four
or five, six, seven days, so you can sort of
pick and choose when you go to do things and
it's much more relaxing than rushing here and rushing there.

(01:10:24):
And as far as New Zealand is concerned, I think
pre COVID the issue was with a lot of tour
groups coming down here, especially from Asia, where all of
the money was spent in Asia and not much was
spent here, and they were doing the same thing that
were jamming up the infrastructure, if you like, in a

(01:10:48):
push to get around to see things, but all of
their money, apart from the odd cup of coffee or
souvenir here and there, had already been banked.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Saying that is that the fishbowl tour or the glass
everything's out of the window of a tour bus.

Speaker 18 (01:11:06):
Yeah, that's right exactly that. I mean, like people fly
into Aukhan and they do I don't know why tawpet
a sort of in three days, you know, But if
you get them to stay another day or two days,
that makes all the difference because then the money gets
spread around locally. It's like it's like if you go
to Figi, right, you have a good time in Figi,

(01:11:27):
but all of the money you spend ends up in
a corporations bank account. None of it ends up in
the local economy, and so it's we're doing to Fiji,
for example, what has been done to us, and we've
got to try and switch that around to get more
people living locally, buying locally, ending them money locally. So

(01:11:50):
if you look at a venice, you know, sixty five
thousand people live there, thirty million tourists a year. Most
of those are day trippers. They come off the boat
where they've had they got free or prepaid meals a day,
They walk around, clogging up the street, don't buy anything,
and then go behind the ship at night.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Yeah, so they're not even going to a restaurant. They're
eating on the boat and getting off. Because you're exactly right,
we want we want the people getting off the bus
and going and trying a myriad of restaurants. So so
it's spread out across across our place.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
Try.

Speaker 18 (01:12:25):
Yeah, what what you really want, I guess in the
perfect world is you want people to say, Okay, we'll come,
we'll come into Auckland and we'll go north for a
week and then and then we'll go south down to
Wellington and we'll fly and then we'll work over the
you know, and then we'll do the south over say
three or four weeks, because then everyone along the chain
has got the opportunity of gaining revenue from that exchange.

(01:12:50):
But if they come in on a tour dinner bus,
you're never going to see their money.

Speaker 13 (01:12:57):
Yes, interesting, it's an interesting the places where.

Speaker 18 (01:13:00):
They have have souvenirs queens count you know a lot
of those shops are probably Yeah, and so they go
and buy the sheepskin rug. Yeah, a thousand dollars for it,
But it's all going back to and there's a kick.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
There's a kick back back to the bus company to
stop out the front of it, and they fleece them
for some fleeces and then they get going when just
just to finish up, Alan, thanks so much for your call.
You make a lot of sense. But I was, you know,
a little pushback. I was in Fiji and I thought
one day, like I'll go out and suv and just
actually experience Fiji rather than hanging out at the resort
good Man, and I got mud. I got mugged at

(01:13:36):
knife point.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
You deserved it, though, that's the difference. You know, you're
probably asking for it, knowing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
It's one of those scams they come up with the
carving and they say, oh, what's your name? You go,
you go, Matt, they go, and then they carve it
on there and they go fifty bucks and then they
hold the little thing they carved it to to.

Speaker 18 (01:13:52):
Your throat, and I thought that was just for the
little kids to get can that way.

Speaker 13 (01:13:57):
Kids.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Yeah, yeah, you've said it out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
I felt that one Hodline and Sinker.

Speaker 18 (01:14:01):
Yeah, yeah, I did too when I first went over there.
So yeah, but the point is that, you know, we
are quite happy to do that, and a good point
something like that, Yeah, we're spending all of our money
apart from the bartab has spent in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
I mean, I know. I did a little bit of
work for a tourism outfit a few years ago, Ellen,
and one of the issues was that they all compete
with each other, and I always thought that was, you know,
a bit self defeating, because that's what happens exactly. What
you say is that these tourists come in, they don't
know too much about it, and then they kind of
travel to as many places as they can get and

(01:14:42):
only stay there for a couple of hours. I just
thought there needed to be some sort of central hub
to try and encourage tourists on on tours that are
actually going to be beneficial for our economy. But it's
not that easy, you know. There is a lot of
discussion and tourism circles about how best to do that,
but they do all compete with each other.

Speaker 18 (01:14:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean there's a movement in
Europe that started in Europe called slow travel, and all
it does is encourage people to spend three or four
days in a place instead of five hours.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:15:12):
Yeah, so we need to encourage that sort of thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Yeah, good on you, Ellen, Thank great caller, Thank you
very much. Right, I got to play some messages, but
we're going to come back very shortly. Plenty of texts
as well, but oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Seven to three, the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Issues that affect you and a bit of fun along
the way, mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
News talks THEREB. It is four to three. We are
going to carry this on after three o'clock. So I'd
love to hear from you on oh eight hundred and
eighty teen eighty. Have you been to some of these
tourists hotspots in Southern Europe and Barcelona and Portugal and Italy,
the Louver. The locals are freaking out. They are over
the mass tourism and they are revolting against it. So
if you've been to those places, love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Yeah, and look at how many two, how many tourists?
Too many tourists in New Zealand as well, because we're
only sitting at eighty percent right now, so we're not
protesting about the too many tourists at the moment in
New Zealand. No, but just finally, I was thinking about
opening an Italian restaurant which only served spaghetti on toast
and spaghetti specials and spaghetti toasties.

Speaker 9 (01:16:17):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
And someone Steve here is you said, I call it
itally Italian. No, you know Italian.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
No, it's very good from Steve. I love the name,
but I think your theme has got some work to
do on it. I just don't know about the APPEALSS
Spaghetti on toast spaghetti restaurant. Let's go at nine two
ninety two. If you'd go write New Sport and weather
on its way. You're listening to Matt and Tyler, Very
good afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Your new home for Instateful and Entertaining Talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Sebby afternoon to you, welcome back into the show. Sievan
passed through. Great to have your company is always and
have an a fascinating chad about protests on mass tourism
in southern Europe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
What's happening after three thirty Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Wow, let me tell you, Matt Heath. Gareth Abden employment
law expert. He's from Abden or Law, wildly popular on
this show just in general life. I think actually Gareth
great New Zealander, Great New Zealander. He'll be taking your
questions and calls, not you, Matt Heath. If you've got
a question you can ask Gareth of course, but you
our dear listeners, this is your chance to have a
chat to Gareth and it it always is extremely popular,

(01:17:28):
so it pays to get in early. We've already had
a few texts come through.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Yeah, so e one hundred and eighty ten eighty after
three point thirty for that. Right now though, we're talking
about tourism because there's protests in Europe, because there's just
ter many tourists in Bathalona and Paris. The Louver has
been shut down, not because of a terrorist threat or
any kind of civil emergency, but just too many tourists

(01:17:52):
trying to get in there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Staff is striking saying it's too crowded.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
So we're talking about have you been to Europe recently
and found it too crowded? And how many is too
many tourists? In New Zealand, plenty of texts coming through
housing and Wonica is going gangbusters but still filling up
with owner and right players. A lot of the people
are working from home entrepreneurs. Not much accommodation for working travelers,
which is what we need as people can live remotely.

(01:18:17):
But once the building slows down, the traders will move out.
Trades will move out and there should be loads. It's
gonna take time for us not to want travelers now,
but later on that's what these places are going to
have to rely on. Yeah, I mean that's a very
good point. You know, before COVID we're always saying there
was too many tourists, and now as the economy is
having a few speed bumps, we're saying bring it back.

Speaker 9 (01:18:38):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
This Texas there is things fellas one man's trip is
another's night.

Speaker 13 (01:18:43):
Mere.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
We shouldn't be so judgy. I spend a fortune on holidays.
I'm sure when I was in Buffalona spending a fortune
on my hotel, they would still hate me. I can't
stop peeps coming and how they wish to have a
nice time as up to them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Hi, Matt, where does the person who said they get
on the bus and off and don't spend their money
does he think they bring their own meals, they pay
for their meals when they purchase the tour just because
they don't use expensive restaurants, they eat somewhere else otherwise
would be starving. Says Given. Yeah, I mean that was
just the call that the type of tourists we don't want,

(01:19:19):
according to a caller, was the ones that get on
a tour bus and do the country in three days
and stop off at a few tourist souvenir shops, get
ripped off and leave the country. But I think his
point was more that we want people to stay for
a long period of time if they're here, and go
off trail and see more of our country and spread around,
rather than just blasting the three tourist spots and getting

(01:19:40):
out of there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Yeah, exactly, And to be fair, I know there was
some pushback against the backpacker type tourists from scott or
the freedom campers to be fear to Scott But those
are the sort of tourists that stay here for a
considerable amount of time and they may not spend money
at nice Italian restaurants or even your own Italian restaurant, man,
but what they do spend money on is the adventure

(01:20:03):
tourism outfit, So the bungee jumping, the jet bow team,
the hiking trips, even a chicky helicopter trip.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
That's where we really fleece the tourists.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Yeah, that's where we really get.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Some money out of them. Had a can of what
is spaghetti on Molenberg toast for lunch day? Pretty satisfying,
I have to say, tasty, cheap and very few dishes.
That's from gregt on Great New Zealander.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
That one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
That's that's part of my initiative to start a restaurant
called Italian No where we just serve Kiwi takes on
Italian food such as spaghetti on toast with an insane
amount of cheese out grated cheese on top.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
You've popped Gregin. OH one hundred eighteen eighty is the
number to call. We're going to play some messages but
full boards. If you can't get through, keep trying. It
is eleven past three, good afternoon. Oh one hundred eighteen
eighty is the number to call. And we are talking
about mass tourism. If you've been to some of the
hot spots in Europe, what was it like? Did you
get a better hate from the locals? Nine to nine

(01:20:58):
tour is a text number as well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
No, welcome to the show. You've been in Italy.

Speaker 6 (01:21:04):
Much of the key here killed us. Yeah, we are
with you for the at anniversary of the liberation of Italy.
While I was part of the Margaichardian sort of regroup
with the last of the campaigns in the Italian campaign
in the northern region and I liberated. So there was
actually three people who still remember the market Wich Italian

(01:21:26):
being here and we were treated a special guests where
we were really blessed to be fair, had a great
time over there. So on the twenty third of April,
throats of the fifteenth of May, we were over there
and we did we did the first four days and
Faienza poory, very regional, lovely people still remember the Kiwis

(01:21:48):
of New Zealand. And then he went to the big cities.
We did our Fenzi, we did our CC, we did Venice, Venetia,
and then ended up in Aroma. Did a cruise at
Aroma seven days. I was pretty followed and picked up
a few things in the local year.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
What a great trip.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Did you find it overcrowded and the and the likes
of Venice when you went to the big hot spots.

Speaker 6 (01:22:14):
Yeah, it was pretty follow on. I noticed probably more
on the cruise ship when we had Barcelona, by York
and those places, and definitely Pisa. And so you've got
four cruise ships it with around about five thousands of each.
It's pretty pretty hectic. And it was probably when we

(01:22:36):
were we were in Orita, I dd to say I
pushed a big out for the big up for the
Florentine steak made You've got trouble.

Speaker 13 (01:22:44):
They're special Florentine steak, Florentine.

Speaker 6 (01:22:47):
Steak and a cheap but it's like eighty pounds eighty
years each and special. Very disappointed.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
What's special about that? How do they do it?

Speaker 6 (01:22:57):
Just the meat and the way that they kind of
grow it and the taste in the flavor and they
cook it and it kind of seems like red in
the middle. I'm really red, but it's just it just
melts in the mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
I've made a steak like it better than spaghetti on
toast with a lot of grain cheese.

Speaker 6 (01:23:11):
When I got in the CHRISTI my first meal was
a it was a shepherd's ploy. We did come across
that kind of feeling of tourism. So when we were
in the clients, we made the mistake of we there
six of us at one time, because it were thirteen
all up. But six of us has gone gone around
the areas, and wonderful, you're going to get it early

(01:23:34):
to go somebody, you go earlier in the morning. So
it gets place as the three the fountain, the steps
down to the three coins and not down to that
famous of course, and it's we got the if you
got the earlier front. If it didn't or you were
you know, you were in a big que Yeah. Were
the pope passed away and when he got named and

(01:23:55):
we were in enrollment. When that got that quarter past
trol without to do the bells started to room. But
the one thing we have. We were on the jump
on the bus. We tried to pay our money to
the bus driver as a try uh to give them
the pull into. He says no, no, no, no, and
he pushed it down the back. Say there was only
a machine here which if produced my wife's card it

(01:24:18):
would have been fine, but we didn't. That was what
two us and we got an inspector pulled up, jumped
on the bus halfway share a trip and then said
just where you ticket?

Speaker 15 (01:24:27):
We told him.

Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
He says, oh no, you're fine. Can I see your
ID place? So they take your idea office that they
have got you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (01:24:33):
So they made us get off the bus and then
they just basically said in the most plied you know anyway,
it's a forty six a year fine. So I said,
oh you know, I've got local pending on not doing
if we don't say, I sat down to con escalade things.
But and then one nay ladies would and he's trying
to take us in. She just went off. You try
to you come to count, you you expect take your money,

(01:24:55):
you go free, you walk around, You'll walk around as
if you're on the parish.

Speaker 9 (01:24:59):
Go faith.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
Oh wow, what that happened one of my by the members,
you up to say, hey, my grandfather was here with
those eighty years ago. Your freegie buggers.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
Let's started.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Come back.

Speaker 6 (01:25:13):
Great looking around. They got the policia, yeah, army, the
Camaradi so like, and well one whistle you'd be as luck.
So we just said to smile and pray the fire.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
I want to go on holiday with you. That's so
fantastic trip. What a good toorist.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Yeah, well being there when the pope passed away would
be interesting. Yeah, so yeah, what a great chat. Sounds like,
you know, it sounds like it's not too bad over there,
and that's that's pretty prime time, isn't it when he
was over there?

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Absolutely, And there's quite a few ticks coming about this
Italian restaurant that you want to get started, man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Yeah, that's right. Italian are no great menu spaghetti, pizza,
ham and Colby cheese on toothpicks, stuck in a lemon
that's pishetto and melon ry beena instead of kiante, diamond rass,
risotto and spaghetti on toast. That's that's all be on
the menu. According to this texture for a new restaurant,

(01:26:11):
looking for investors in this Italiano restaurant, which is the
key we approach to Italian food.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
If you do that, Italy will declare war on New Zealand.
They will not take kindly to that great discussion. Thank
you very much. Right, coming up a big day for
Bew Canson New Zealand and for Radio Hodichy Day in
lou It has been under way six six since six
am raising money for a fantastic charity.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Absolutely and look beal cancer in New Zealand doesn't get
as much attention as it should and as much respect
as it deserves. So well we'll just share some of
the symptoms you need to look out for and how
you can maybe help out a little bit with Balcanson
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Yep, that's coming up. It is twenty past three.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on News Talk zby afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Just a heads up. Gareth abden Or he is standing by.
We're going to cross to him in about eight minutes time.
He's an employment workplace information expert and director of Abdenal
Employment Law. He's brilliant. He joins us once a month
as part about Us Asked the Experts series. So here
we take in your calls and questions. You've got a
problem in the workplace, He's the man to chat to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Yeah, But right now, there's a day in lou happening
at Eden Park where a bunch of sports people and
radio personalities are getting together to raise awareness and money
for Beal Cancer New Zealand.

Speaker 16 (01:27:30):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Look, this is a charity that doesn't get nearly as
much attention, money and respect as it deserves. Might be
because people don't like to think too much about that
sort of mucky part of the body that connects their
stomach and their butt. But we really should focus on
this area more. New Zealand is one of the highest
rates of bell cancer in the world. More than three
thousand people are diagnosed with the disease each year in
our country and over twelve hundred die. So it's a

(01:27:51):
huge issue and the good people at Bell Cancer New
Zealand need all the help they can get because they
don't get any money from the government. They are just
dependent on your donations and donations from corporates. So you
can donate by texting Lou two.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Three seven seven nine. That makes an instant three dollar
donation and makes the world a difference for Bell Cancer
New Zealand to help them do what they need to do.
Fantastic charity and as you say, Matt, an incredibly big
issue here in New Zealand and they are doing some
fantastic work.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
We were trying to get him on the line to
discuss this. Die Henwood who has stage four be cancer
and you know he's battling away. I saw him this
morning and he's in a window of feeling quite well,
which is wonderful to see. But he said something on
stage last year when I did This Day in Lou
twelve Hours broadcasting for Bell Cancer, he said something on
stage I thought I'd read out, yeah, because I thought

(01:28:43):
it was such a fantastic message from someone that's a
great New Zealander that's suffering from this disease. He said,
to anyone who has received a sad diagnosis, don't sign off, mate.
You're living with cancer, not dying. There is plenty of life.
Every moment is something. Every day you are taking a breath,
having a smile, spending time with the people you love.
You are living and it's actually the same for everyone,
sick or not. Please just enjoy what you have while

(01:29:05):
you have it with the people you love. We all
have some life to live. Fantastic words. Yeah, from a
great man, Die Henwood. But what's that number again?

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
It is Lou takes lou to three seven seven nine
and that makes an instant three buck donation.

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
But Bell Canson New Zealand's not just about the donations today.
They want to get the message out there and that's
the five key symptoms of bell cancer to watch out for.
They are a persistent change in bowel habit, going more often,
looser stools or constipation, bleeding from the bottom or blood
in the stool, abdominal pain, bloating or cramping especially after eating,
unexplained weight loss, and feeling very tired without a clear reason.

(01:29:44):
If you're experiencing any of these symptoms, then you know
contact your GP. Don't delay seeking help even if the
symptoms seem to come and go, And as the saying goes,
don't die of embarrassment. If you think you've got one
of your symptoms, then going to the doctor and finding
out you don't is a good result. A lot of
Kiwi's feel like they're wasting people's time by going to

(01:30:05):
the doctor. But you're not that you want to find
out that you don't have it. And look, if it
can be detected early, then then you have, you know,
the best chance in the world of it being sorted
out in time.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
Beautifully said.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Now, always looking for catchy ways to get this these
symptoms out there into the community. And and and because
it's based in this monkey area, as I say, that
connects the connects your your butt to your colon, well
your colon, it's a pretty pretty full on area. So

(01:30:41):
there's a song that's been that's been adapted by Rudah
from the radio Hurdeki Breakfast Genius. Yeah, he's a he's
a great musician and he's adapted a song from a
great Kiwi band called Deja Voodoo song called Today Tomorrow
Timaru and he's adapted it to try and get that
message out there for the symptoms for people to look
out for. And and here it is now so so

(01:31:03):
sing along. He performed it live at Eden Park just
earlier today.

Speaker 23 (01:31:10):
Hard to talk about what's smelling your crown got Safita
ab dumba old paint?

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Is it in to mint?

Speaker 16 (01:31:22):
It?

Speaker 23 (01:31:22):
Is your bow lum happy, Yeah, get your right away,
got a knee me up, you up in your sauce
RECTI bleeding out of your butt, mean bit tomorrow, get
jacked down, but you might need to right now.

Speaker 24 (01:31:39):
Checking let lead in your.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
That's the thing to do.

Speaker 24 (01:31:45):
And it ain't consistent number two. That's the thing to you.

Speaker 22 (01:31:54):
Big coup a mass, big couple, lump, big cup, drunk changes,
give your snow, say good back to some kgs to
tidy each day and you don't know why.

Speaker 24 (01:32:05):
Checking dead, bleeding.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
In your.

Speaker 24 (01:32:10):
That's the thing to do. Yeah it consistent numbers, that's
the thing to do.

Speaker 23 (01:32:18):
Actual bleeding, abdominal pain, shapes the bowel, motions, clumps and
masses and devia tildless, unusual weight loss.

Speaker 24 (01:32:27):
No one is explanation. There we go, Shagu des yo.
That's the thing. And at consistent number two.

Speaker 23 (01:32:42):
That's chickin death pleasing yoder, that's the thing.

Speaker 24 (01:32:50):
And ain't consistent numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
That so good, good work, Bruder, that's the number, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
The number is three sevens three seven seven nine. Just
takes lou and that makes an instant three dollar donation.
Right coming up, we speak to Gareth Abden or twenty
eight past three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
US talks at the headlines.

Speaker 7 (01:33:17):
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The five yearly census is being dumped from the next
one in twenty thirty and statistical data will instead be
gleaned from government departments alongside a much smaller yearly survey.
Statsenzet say's work will be needed to improve data quantity
and create sharing arrangements. The Associate Health Minister has announced

(01:33:41):
sleeping aid and jet lag fighting drug melatonin will be
available over the counter at Kiwi chemists. The Education Minister
is promising cuts to government education scheme Kahui Arkor are
being reinvested into a learning support boost. Minister Ericas Stanford
says it didn't produce significant change. Police have delt a

(01:34:03):
blow to the Bay of Plenty's Greasy Dogs gang, seizing
more than one and a half mins dollars worth of
assets interesting five men. Polis As, seventeen year old reported
missing from Auckland's and North Shore, has been found safe
and Irish citizen is one of Europe's biggest ever jackpot
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(01:34:27):
fishy Tales when a small earthquake spoiled ad day of phishing.
See the story at ends at Herald Premium. Back to
Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty eight to four.
As we always do on a Wednesday, Ask the Expert
series and today back in studio. Gareth Abdenaor is an employment,
workplace and information expert and director of Abdenor Law. He
is taking all your questions, no matter how curly, on
any issues you've got at your workplace. If you are

(01:34:57):
the boss, if you're the worker, he is the man
to chat to. Gareth. Mate, good to see you today, guys.
And when I say see you, we I don't know
why it took us so long to get this rolling.
We've got our zoom of rational. You're down in the
christ Church studio, my old studio, and it's good to
actually see you mate. You looking well.

Speaker 11 (01:35:13):
Yeah, I want to know why you guys have got
better lighting. This is just really reinforcing the old adage
that I've got a face made for radio.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Also, I'm just looking behind you, Gareth, and they've started
taking away the tellies in the christ Church studio so
I leave christ Church and all of a sudden, no
more tellies. But there you go. How's that lighting for?

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
It wasn't me, It wasn't me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
Take what you want out of that studio, Gareth, I
don't need it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
I didn't know that Andrew Approduce had the power to
put on full like high beam lights a TV studio.

Speaker 11 (01:35:42):
Oh well, that's right, that is it's just reflecting off
my head.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
I need some I need a welding mask.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Right now is your opportunity? Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call, and if you
want to text through, you more than welcome. Nine to
nine to two, Gareth. I've come in thick and fast,
so we'll get straight into it with this one. Hey, guys,
my wife works in retails, so it was not allowed
to take holidays during November or December, leaving hoot ten
months of the year to take holidays. Because one of

(01:36:11):
her permanent days is a Saturday and they are permanently
short staff, she is never allowed to take one or
two weeks at a time because there was no one
to cover her Saturday shift. I'm sure this is illegal.
Can you please advise?

Speaker 6 (01:36:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:36:25):
I mean the issue have not been able to take
holidays over the Christmas period. That's not unusual in retail,
but the inability to take a week or two of
holiday at a time, that is an issue. And you
do need to allow your staff to take a period

(01:36:47):
of leave rather than a day here or a day there.
So this is one of those situations where the caller's
wife might want to constructively raise this with the employer.
You know, it's a health and safety risk as well,
and the employer's got to think about do they want
to run the risk of a stress claim, because if

(01:37:09):
you're not actually getting getting time to take an extended break,
then you're going to be stressed out, You're going to
be tired, you're most probably not going to be performing
at your best.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Yeah, good answer.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
We'll go to James A. You've had a complaint laid
against you at work?

Speaker 6 (01:37:26):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 18 (01:37:27):
It was a little while ago now, but I had
one of the people in my team lay a bullying
complaint against me, which I thought was pretty unfair at
the time given what had happened. Anyway, we went through
a process of about ten weeks of they're an investigation,
being shut up and all that sort of stuff, and

(01:37:48):
this person's complaint was circulated to some senior management within
the company a day or two before the investigation was
due to start. I was told of the complaint's being dropped,
but also, this person is now no longer going to
report to you, but you're still going to be working
in the same team. So I said, I wasn't happy

(01:38:08):
with that at the time. I felt that we should
have been going ahead with the investigation. And I'm just
wondering whether there's any obligation on the part of the
company to investigate a claim like that given the circumstances.

Speaker 11 (01:38:21):
Yeah, that's a really tricky situation, both for you and
for your employer. The difficulty that employers often grapple with
is where someone's unhappy, they make a complaint, but they
either withdraw the complaint, as appears to have been the
case here, or they want the complaint to be kept confidential.

(01:38:43):
Now it's pretty tricky for an employer because arguably you've
still got to do an investigation if the concerns being raised. Now,
this seems incredibly unfair for you because you've gone through
all of the upset of having that complaint made against you.

(01:39:04):
All the preliminary steps, and so there is an argument that, yes,
the investigation should have gone ahead, But as a practical matter,
I think the fact that it was withdrawn is most
probably a good thing. And you never really know what
investigations are going to show. And you know, investigators tried

(01:39:25):
their best, but they aren't there. They don't actually know
what happened, and so even though you've done nothing wrong,
there's no guarantee that that's what the outcome would be.
So I'd be inclined to just chalk it up as
a negative experience and move on. Of course, if there
are more issues with this teammate, I would really be

(01:39:46):
on my guard. And if you start feeling uncomfortable, then
it's your turn to raise a complaint.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Thank of you call James. It's an interesting one, isn't it.
Is there any pushback against I guess, low level complaints
of bullying or erroneous complaints of bullying, or people using
complaints of bullying as a way to you know, for
their own career, or punishment because they don't like someone,
Because that must happen quite quite a lot, right.

Speaker 11 (01:40:15):
Oh, definitely, you know. I sometimes joke that there hasn't
been a single person who's been performance managed that hasn't
claimed bully. It's almost guaranteed these days. And I think
I think some of this comes from a lot of
managers don't actually have any management training. Yeah right, And

(01:40:39):
you know it was key with none of us want
to be the bad guy or bad girl, and so
we have a bit of difficulty managing people sometimes and
as soon as you do try and manage someone, you
get accused of being a bully.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
Do you find with the smaller businesses they are a
bit more lost at seeing those situations because they're not
big enough to have an HR department. When that situation unfolds,
clearly they should speak to someone like you, Gareth, but
they feel, you know, a bit lost about what to
do and how to deal with it.

Speaker 11 (01:41:12):
Oh definitely. I mean you look at New Zealand's economy.
It's made up mainly of small and medium enterprises. You know,
someone in their partner and maybe an apprentice or something
like that. It's it's pretty difficult to navigate the complexities
of employment law. And you know, getting advice is not cheap.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Yeah, well, Tyler gave me a pretty i'd say, pretty lame.
Thank you for a coffee that I got him there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
About I bully him every day, Gareth, He's raised complaints.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
It doesn't get anyway. Does he ask for it?

Speaker 17 (01:41:44):
He does.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
It was a microaggression, not thanking me enough for the
coffee I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
I remember that for tomorrow. Oh one hundred and eighty
to eighty is the number to call. Gareth Abdenor is
in studio employment law expert, and he is taking your
questions and calls.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
It is twenty wonder four matt Heath Taylor Adams with
you as your afternoon rolls on Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
Said afternoon eighteen to four eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call if you've got a
question or concern at your place of work, if you're
the boss or the worker. Gareth Abdenall is in studio
with US employment Workplace and Information expert and director of
Abdenor Employment Law. A few texts coming through on nine
to nine two. This one get a Gareth. I work

(01:42:29):
two jobs. The boss of one of my jobs wants
to change my hours which conflict with my other job.
Do I need to accept the change of hours they
are set in my contract from June.

Speaker 11 (01:42:41):
It really depends on what else is in your contract.
A lot of contracts have a clause that the employer
can vary the hours if there's a genuine business reason
for it, as long as they consult with you first.
Of course, there is that overlying duty to act reasonably.
So I guess the question is why does the boss

(01:43:03):
of one of the jobs want to change this person's hours,
and in the agree are they legally entitled to You know,
I'd have a discussion with them. There may be a
genuine reason, and if you don't agree to it, they
may do a restructure and just establish the role. So,
you know, try and be constructive and try and find

(01:43:24):
a way that works for both of you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
I imagine that it could be also quite tricky, Gareth
if she if this person is working two jobs and
one of the bosses doesn't know about the other job,
that can create some tension, right that if they don't
know you're working in another position and you're not giving
your full attention to the job that you're yet you're
employed to do. Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 11 (01:43:44):
Your employer can't prevent you from having a second job,
but they can prevent you from having a second job
if it conflicts with your obligations under that job. And
you know, this is kind of one of those situations,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
Yeah, keep those ticks coming through a nine two nine two.
But let's go to the phones. Joe, you've got a
question for Gareth.

Speaker 21 (01:44:07):
Oh, hey, Gareth, I'm Joe here. I am a manager
of a company at a small company. I've got a
new recruit. He's just four months old. He's got a
probation period of six months, so going forward, we would
not like to continue with him. So I would like

(01:44:28):
know all bit of consequences that I'll have to face
if I give him a notice.

Speaker 11 (01:44:34):
Yeah, if you give the person notice now and you
haven't gone through the process that's set out in the contract,
it could be very expensive, indeed, because it would most
likely be an unfair dismissal and they may get compensation,
they may get lost wages, and of course they may

(01:44:55):
be reinstated to their roles. So you may dismiss this
person and then find that the court says they are
entitled to come back. So I would strongly suggest that
in a situation like this you take some advice or
at a very minimum, follow the process that's set out
in the agreement in the probationary period. I know two

(01:45:18):
months seems like a long time, but if you get
this wrong, it's going to cost you a lot more
than two months wages.

Speaker 21 (01:45:24):
All right, But in my agreement, it clearly states that
the probation within the probation period, the notice pit is
just one week, so I just need to give him
a week's notice, right.

Speaker 11 (01:45:34):
Well, you need to follow the process that's set out,
so you can't under a probationary period. It's not like
a trial period. You can't just tell someone that it's
not working out and they need to go. You still
have to act in good faith and you have to
consult with them. So this is not really a straightforward
ABC type thing. I strongly suggest that you get some

(01:45:58):
advice on this one, because if you get it wrong,
it's going to be expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
So good luck, Joe, good luck, Thank you, all right,
thank you very much.

Speaker 13 (01:46:07):
Dan.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:46:10):
Mate?

Speaker 25 (01:46:11):
You good yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:46:12):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
Gareth is standing my oday?

Speaker 17 (01:46:14):
Gareth.

Speaker 25 (01:46:15):
I'm a pretty much a leading hand here at this
construction industry. We work in civil and infrastructure and all
that so pretty much what my issue was. I've pretty
much started probably two weeks ago, and as the last
week had gone by, I had been paid in short

(01:46:37):
due to a few opinions that my employer, Reckons had,
you know, sort of for the public holiday. So what's
happened is I started about two weeks ago on the Monday,
which we all know was a public holiday or King's Birthday,
and there clearly states in my contract also. But with
that with a start, he had pretty much forwarded me

(01:47:01):
another email saying can we have you start on the third,
which on a Tuesday, and then well, pretty mu following
up to my next pay week, I was paid short
eight LS, and I'll pretty much argued the point with him,
but he reckons that. Oh he sent me a follow
up email saying that the third is my start date,

(01:47:22):
which then avoids him paying eight LS. Just wanting to
know any way around this or if if he's correct
or if I'm incorrect.

Speaker 11 (01:47:30):
Gosh, that sounds a bit rough. Not a great way
to start off an employment relationship, is it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Not?

Speaker 9 (01:47:37):
Really?

Speaker 25 (01:47:37):
I mean, I'm not really looking to battle it out either,
because I'm not a bit worried that I'll lose all
the benefits that I do have at the moment, which
is not in my contract.

Speaker 11 (01:47:45):
But you know, yeah, definitely, it really depends on what
was actually agreed. If it was agreed that the Monday
would be your start date, I think you've got a
very good case that you should be paid for the
public holiday. An employer can't just change your STUF update

(01:48:09):
if that has already been agreed, and if that was
agreed in the contract and both people signed it, well,
I think it's it's going to be a bit difficult
for your employer to argue that it changed.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
That's it.

Speaker 11 (01:48:24):
As you said before, do you really want to die
in a ditch over this one as pay? And you know,
if if your employer is adamant that he's right, even
if he's not, things are going to get unpleasant and
you may choose just to swallow it on this occasion.

(01:48:47):
But yeah, it doesn't seem right and I wouldn't be
very happy if it was me.

Speaker 20 (01:48:54):
Yeah, it's just it's a hard one. At one time,
you don't really want to battle it out and lose,
you know, the good faith of your employer. But then
the other hand, you don't really want to be taken
advantage of as well.

Speaker 11 (01:49:08):
So totally And I guess the thing I would be
thinking is, you know, if someone wants to screw me
out of a day's public holidays, is that someone that
I really want to be working with? And you know,
maybe maybe you should be looking for other opportunities?

Speaker 5 (01:49:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
Yeah, probably good luck and a bit to think about there.
This is an interesting question. Hi, I own a retail
shop with security cameras covering the sales floor and office.
The cameras record audio as well as video. But as
far as my employees know, it's just video. Do I
have to let them know that it's covering audio as well?

Speaker 13 (01:49:46):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:49:47):
And why are you recording audio?

Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
Thanks?

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
So the recording audio makes it and such another level,
doesn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Totally creepiness.

Speaker 11 (01:49:57):
I'd be really uncomfortable with that if if I was
one of the employees, and I'd be going, well, hang on,
why are you spying on me? You know, you've you've
got to have a genu one reasonable reason to record
people in the workplace. Now, video surveillances is not unusual.
There's there's really good health and safety reasons for that.

(01:50:20):
There's security reasons for that. But why are you recording audio,
you know, just turn.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
It off and look, you'll hear them backstabbing about you.
And that's what they do that people, employees backstad about
their bosses. It's just how they get let out steam.
And you just feel bad.

Speaker 11 (01:50:36):
You don't want to hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
You do not want to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
You don't want to hear what your employees are saying
about you.

Speaker 11 (01:50:41):
And if they find out that you are recording audio
and you haven't told them, not only are they going
to have grounds for personal grievance, they are also going
to have grounds to make a complaint to the Privacy
Commissioner and and it's going to be all bad.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
So we don't do iteless.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
They're recording audio on our workplace, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
How dare they to hear that I'm taking share people by?

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
They're blatant with these big microphones in our faces. And
how many times this text ask can a twelvemonth fixed
term role be rolled on before it becomes permanent?

Speaker 15 (01:51:15):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Correct?

Speaker 11 (01:51:17):
So there's some large organizations in New Zealand that make
a habit of these rolling twelvemonth fixed term contracts, and
I think they are shaky as here legally and if
anyone tests it. The organizations might be running for the hills.
You've got to have a genuine business reason to have

(01:51:38):
a fixed term agreement, and one of those reasons can't
be that you're not sure about funding. The courts have
made it very clear that in a situation like that,
if there's not enough funding, then you need to have
a restructure. So I can't see many good reasons for
a rolling twelvemonth fixed term contract.

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
Brilliant as always, Gareth. That's all the time that we have.
But thank you very much as always, and we'll see
you back in about a month.

Speaker 11 (01:52:04):
Fantastic, Thanks guys.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
Stay warm down there. How cool is it?

Speaker 11 (01:52:08):
Oh it's lovely blue skies?

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
Yeah, I tell you, wonderful. Christ it's thirty one degrees
here in our studios. I've pumped the air conditioning right
up to test Tyler's resolve.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Outrageous to see another HR complaint, isn't it a right?
That is Gareth Abdenor. He is an employment, workplace and
Information expert and director of Abdenor Employment Laura. If you
want to get a hold of him Abdenor Law dot
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