Full Show Podcast: 18 September 2025

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Speaker 3 (01:10):
They Hello to you. I hope you're doing well on
this Thursday afternoon. Welcome into the show and really good
to have you with us as always, kid, I men.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, thank you for tuning in your great New Zealand. Hey,
I watched something last night that you know, I was
sitching around looking for something to watch and I came
across this documentary on Apple TV called Music by John
Williams and John Williams is just the most incredible movie
score composer, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Indiana Jones Et, Superman,

(01:41):
the Original Superman theme, Jurassic Park, Shinder's List, Jaws, Close Encounters,
the book, just so many Home alone, just an absolute genius.
I mean, you know his songs, you know, any of them,
did Didn't Dinner, so many of them, and you know,

(02:02):
Jorge Burner, Durner, durn It, so many themes. Just absolutely incredible.
And you know, part of the thing when they say
in this documentary talking to all these you know, other people,
these filmmakers, you know, George Lucas, Steven Spielberger, On Howard,
a whole lot of filmmakers, and you know they're basically
saying that their movies, you know, George Lucas says Star
Wars was fifty percent music. It was fifty percent how

(02:25):
great John Williams music was. And then you've got Steven
Spielberg saying that John Williams is so good at composing
music that normally you cut the film and you give
it to the composer, and the composer will then put
the music to the edit. But often John Williams's themes
are so good that Steven Spielger will do it the
other way around, and they'll edit the show so the

(02:47):
movie so it fits the the music. And I was
just wondering, you know, John Williams, those themes, you know,
all the ones have talked about Jurassic Park, Star Wars.
I wonder in the future, well, they'll be looked back
as the great compositions of our time. Movies might have
disappeared by then, but you know music, you know how
we still celebrate Mozart and Bark and Bay. I wonder

(03:08):
if John Williams will be that the music that survives.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
But there's only a handful of movie composes at that level, right.
The only other one I can think of, and a
lot of people know he is Hahns Zimmer, very well
known composer, but.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Good, but not in the John Williams, not in the
conversation with the amount of absolute movie defining themes. I
mean your generation, we were hastling you used to about millennials. Basically,
all you've got is Harry Potter. Would the Harry Potter
movies be anything without dud du and dun? That's John Williams,

(03:40):
is it? Yeah? Okay, I take it back absolutely. You know,
moments like in Jurassic Park when the helicopters first coming
to the to the island, it's it's it's he's a
genius anyway, I thoroughly recommend the documentary. Quite a strange man,
quite an odd.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Man, yep, but an absolute genius sometimes are.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
And before we move on from this, he writes it all,
just writes the music out, so you know, in these
full symphonic orchestra parts, and he writes all the notes
out on cheap paper, you know, music paper, and he
you know, he's saying, you know, AI could help me
now and programming then it's taking me longer because everyone
could just go a little bit and get it out there.

(04:19):
But he's still writing it down.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, genius. That is incredible genius. And so it's called
music by John Williams.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, yeah, Dommentry is called music by Dom John Williams.
And you can watch that on Apple. Oh God, you're fantastic.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Right on to today's show after three o'clock is looking good?
The new secret to staying ahead at work? So on
an interesting article where Liam Dan spoke to radio host
Sam Wallace. So Sam certainly thinks that is the case.
He recently had a hair transplant cost a bit of money,
and he's joked that it's a career move to keep
himself at the top of his game.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well yeah, and he said he thinks it'll keep him relevant.
But it is interesting, isn't it? Because I think he
can be relevant without here. I don't think you need
plugs to stay relevant. I can think of a number
of irrelevant people without here, that's for sure. But how
important and important is it how you look at work
and how much should you spend on it? I mean
that's a big question. So you know, for career, he's saying,

(05:12):
here to spend all this money, So do you have
to spend a lot for your career?

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I mean personally, I know you don't as I was
saying you before, I mean you were you thought you
were splashing out when you've got to. You know, if
you spend twenty five dollars on a T shirt, you
do a little parade and act like you're wearing attucks.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, if they gave me a wardrobe allowance, I'd spend
it on something else. I could tell you that. But yeah,
that's going to be a great chat. Half to three o'clock.
After two o'clock, there's a new report out from a
think tank and it highlights how newsroom cutbacks, newspaper closures,
and shrinking local coverage. You're creating news deserts around the country.
So this is the old old school local rag. They
are closing left, right, and center, and it says entire

(05:49):
communities risk losing vital public interest journalism.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
So you're in a smaller community and it's more and
more tending towards all the news that you're going to
read is going to be created in the big centers,
at the major centers of the major media companies. So
you're worried about that. Do you think that you might
be living in a news desert where you are or
does it not matter? Because you can just go to
your local Facebook community page, yep, and it's all there.

(06:16):
But you know, this article argues that the Facebook community pages,
where you might get information about local councils and load
of things going local, punishing roundabacks that have been built
or whatever, ye don't have the same checks and balances
as a newspaper would. That's you know, you know, is regulated.

(06:36):
But then a lot of people I'm sure will text
and say they don't trust the media anyway. Yep, very true.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
That's going to be a good chet after two o'clock.
But right now, let's have a chat. It's about our economy.
It has stumbled, GDP shrinking zero point nine percent of
the gyne corner. That is nearly double what economists predicted.
So key sectors like manufacturing and construction drove that downturn,
with GDP now slipping in three of the last five quarters.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, what can we do to turn this round? What
can we do to turn this around? And what can
we do to get manufacturing going in this country because
that's had a big drop off. Mining has had a
big drop off another one that's four point one percent.
So what do we need to do to turn this around?
What are your thoughts. Whose fould is it now? Who's
trying to fix it? What's going on eight hundred eighty

(07:22):
ten eighty or are we just, as I keep saying,
just a little tiny boat in big international waters. And
it's what the big dogs are doing in the world
that is causing us to be in this current situation.
Let's get into it.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Nine two nine two's the text number coming up.
We are going to have a chat with Brad Olson.
He is the chief executive and principal economist of Infometrics.
Will break it down with him, but love to hear
your thoughts as well. It is thirteen past one.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of hand Zimmer.
You know, I've been talked up about a lot of
people texting saying Handszimmer is a bit bigger than it was,
better than John Williams. You can't argue John Williams has
had a bigger impact on the world, more bigger movies
than Hans Zimmer. But don't get me wrong, Gladiator one
of my favorite themes of all time. Interstellar is this
person Texan fantastic Yeah, he's pretty got the new f

(08:08):
one movie. Yeah, he's a genius, But I would just
say John Williams.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Bigger yeap nicely said, it is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 3 (08:25):
Very good afternoon due it is sixteen past one. So,
as we've been talking about, New Zealand's economy suffered a
sharper decline than anticipated. So it dropped zero point nine
percent in the June corner. That was almost twice the
forecast amount. Joining us now is Brad Olson, chief executive
and principal economists with Infometrics get a brand good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
So how did we get this so wrong? How did
all the experts get the numbers? Basically was where we
were looking at zero negative zero point four and it's
coming into zero point negative of zero point nine.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
We knew it wasn't going to be a pretty number,
but you're right, we undercooked just how bad it has been.
And I think looking through the numbers, it's clear that
the impact of the tariff announcement in April really put
more of a shock than we we'd all first expected
through into the economy because it was some of those
areas that were influenced the most, the likes of manufacturing
down three point five percent. But when we looked as

(09:19):
well at some of the figures that highlighted that it
was alongside manufacturing also just general capital investment came back
quite a bit, and I think that highlights that.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Look, if you're a business out there, you were thinking.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
There were better economic times at the start of this year,
you were primed for things to become a little bit better.
You were thinking of investing more, you know, putting in
some more planter equipment, trying to be a bit more efficient,
control your costs, get ready for that growth. The terariffs
came through and just everyone immediately went, well, there's no
way I'm investing.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
I'm going to sit on my hands.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I'm going to hold back on on sort of making
those big, big decisions. And really that sort of showed
through in a number of industries where actually household spending
increased in the quarter, But it was that real drag
back from business investment that held the economy back and
saw now the economy sitting one point one percent smaller
than where it was a year ago.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
So you know tariffs and such, but how much is
local pressures like energy costs coming into play in this number.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I suspect it's sort of a culmination of everything, right.
It's not any one impact, but when you combine them all,
you know, you're seeing businesses that are going well. I
don't know about the global trading environment because of tariffs.
I've got energy price shocks that are coming through. I've
got concerns about will there actually be purchases in the economy.
I think it's one of those things where when you
see all of those together, people just went, you know what,

(10:38):
I'm I'm not making that call today. I'm just going
to sort of wait it out. What's interesting is that
one of the indicators that we often watch because it
gives us a bit more of a timely lead, is
the Performance of Manufacturing Index, the PMI that B and
Z and Business New Zealand bring out. And it was
interesting looking through that that the start of this year
you actually saw manufacturing activity that popped higher after two

(10:59):
years of declines. Hit the tariffs, things came back pretty sharply.
Through parts of May and June July, things popped a
little bit higher, and then in August they fell back
down to basically neutral. And I think that shows that
even at the moment, we're a little bit worried and
cautious about where economic activity sits right here right now,
because remembering that data we're talking about was still sort of,

(11:20):
you know, nearly three months old. We had been hoping
and expecting that we'd come out of that sort of
tariff shock, you'd come through to September quarter, there'd be
a little bit more activity happening. But looking through some
of those figures, the growth just looks like when it
is coming through, if it's coming through, is so patchy
that again households and businesses just really reluctant to invest.

(11:41):
I note in the figures brand that household consumption expenditure
was up zero point four percent, and it appears people
are going out and buying things like TVs, computers and
other technical equipment. So in some ways, households and most
of us out there are kind of trying to do
our part with a bit more spending. But there's other
parts of the economy that aren't coming through. That's absolutely true,

(12:03):
and I think that's sort of realistic when you've got
mortgage rates that have been pulling back. People have got
a bit more money, and so there is a little
bit more spending, but again it's patchy and it's not
sort of wholesale enough for businesses to be rehiring at
the same degree. I mean, I think from a household
point of view, you continue to hear a lot of
people that are saying, yes, there's a few purchases going on,

(12:24):
but at the same time, you know, people are worried
about their jobs, so they're being a little bit more
restrained with the spending. Point four is not bad, but
it's certainly not rip roaring, and I think that's sort
of the challenge and the compromise at the moment.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
What we're of course looking for.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Is the fact that you're going to have households that
continue to refix on to low mortgage rates through the
rest of this year. But will they and will businesses
when they start to get a bit more of that money,
are they going to spend an invest that themselves or
are they going to try and sort of build up
a bit more of a buffer. Because the word of
the year so far seems to be uncertainty. No one
knows exactly where things are going next, and whether you're

(12:57):
a business or a household, you're going, when is the
right time to spend. I don't want to, you know,
sort of spend too much now and then find myself
in a pickle later on. So I think that's almost
the vibe that we're getting through same the likes of
you know, construction activity was down one point eight percent. Again,
people are going, is now the right time to build
a new house or to go on, you know, build
a new manufacturing site. Well, clearly there's not as much

(13:18):
activity out there.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
So does this all this situation strength in the case
for a fifty point or more rates cut from the
Reserve Bank in October?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
It certainly raises the prospects absolutely, Adam for Metrics, we're
not formally calling it yet, but we've start with put
a pretty big sticker warning on and said, look, it
raises the chance substantially that the Reserve Bank thinks of
pulling that fifty basis point cut trigger.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
I've seen a few other.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Banks that have been outright saying look, no, it needs
to happen, and that you'd see potentially a fifty basis
point cut in October and then you might see another
twenty five basis point cut in November, and I think
the big part of that. One of the challenges we've
really been struggling with around what do you do with
interest rates is that often the impact doesn't come through
nearly as quickly as everyone might think, and so we're

(14:04):
trying to sort of play this awful time and game
of what's the economy going to be like in the
year is time and how do we sort of support it?
Then with economic activity lower at the moment, it means
that sort of that just potential wind up for economic
activity is going to take so much longer, which look
does raise that I think the idea.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
The worry, and it's only a worry.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
I think people will be going out there, will you know,
who cares about this consum Let's just sort of get
some economic activity firing. Let's be clear, though, there is
a bit of a worry in the back of my
mind if you start to go with bigger interest rate
cuts at the moment you get twelve months into the
future economic activity has recovered a bit more. But jeez,
if your pricing pressures start to be showing through and
you've got some pretty big cost of living challenges. That's

(14:44):
a real miss for the Reserve Bank, who are trying
to keep inflation stable. So the court between a rock
and a hard place, needing to keep those inflationary pressures
at bay, but clearly needing to provide a bit more
support for the economy. It's a difficult mix.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now, construction was down, as you said, But what are
we seeing anything any life going forward, any any consense
growth or how are we looking in the next to
twelve months.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I think on the consent growth front, I mean there's
patches of it here and there. It really depends on
where you are in the country. Building consent numbers for
residential homes have leveled out a little bit more the
last couple of months around sort of thirty four thousand.
Again I think probably important for construction, remembering that we
were coming off like the highest number of consents in
half a century. So like when you comparison points Mount Everest,

(15:33):
it's always hard to sort of think that you're doing
too great, But thirty four thousand is not bad. The
area that I think probably shows a lot more promise,
and I think, to be honest, the government is hoping
shows a lot more promise is the infrastructure space. You
hear constantly from ministers that there's six billion dollars worth
of investment that's trying to get going by by I
think Christmas is the timeframe they normally talk about. That's

(15:55):
an area where again we know we need better resourcing
into the likes of schools, hospitals, water pipes, transport projects.
If the government can get that going, then that does
support a whole lot more activity and hopefully over time
would flow through into manufacturing. One of the challenges is
that manufactured goods are often things that go into other
physical items like buildings, and if you're not doing as

(16:16):
much building, then you don't need as many fixtures and fitting.
So we're hoping that again over time you start to
see that activity, those economic activity numbers rev up. But
we really have started to think more now that the
economic recovery would show through stronger in twenty twenty six.
We keep holding out hope there's a bit more towards
the end of this year, but September quarter looks patchy
for now. I guess we're hoping for a bit of

(16:37):
a brighter summer.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
So because we're taking this to the phone weight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's probably going to come down to this, really,
how much is this the previous government's fault and as
the current government doing enough to turn this around, or
how much is this just a little player and a
big stormy international ocean. I think it's all elements of that.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
I mean, I think clearly we overdid it, you know,
a couple of years back, when we were spending far
more money than we had and we got ourselves into
an unsustainable position. Current governments come in and had to
make some pretty tough choices around put their money. But
that has meant that there hasn't been as much investment
into certain areas, and the public sector has pulled back
and the private sector just hasn't had the money to

(17:16):
sort of push forward and fill the gaps. Internationally, Yep,
there are a lot of challenges out there and a
lot of sort of questions around where we're heading. I
think effectively though, for the economy, we're trying to find
the new normal. What's the goldilock zone After some pretty
topsy turvy times. You don't want it to go back
to COVID lockdown. That was awful. You probably don't want
it to go back to twenty twenty two when the
economy was massively firing, but we then got the highest

(17:39):
inflation and a generation.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
You don't want it where it is at the moment.
You want it a little bit more in the middle.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
And we're taking time to find that new goldilock zone.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
So how far away is that? Can you see anything?
As the recovery in sight? Do we just need to
hold on? It was survived to twenty twenty five, but
you know twenty twenty five is nearly gone. As the
recovery coming, is there is there a light at the
end of the tunnel?

Speaker 5 (18:03):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
I still think there is.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Again, households have got those line mortgage rates and similar
coming through the primary sector is providing. We now have
changed our tune a little bit, though we talk a
lot more about starying the mix till twenty six.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
I guess that's cold comfort for everyone.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
I guess the point though, is that if we're sitting
out there and we're saying, look, things are never going
to get better generally, you know, economic expectations do lead reality.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
So I'm not.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Willing to sit there as an economist to say it's
you know, we're all down in a funk and it's
never going to get better. But I think we're realistic
that it is taking a whole lot longer than we
hoped and expected. Yeah yeah, Brad, always really good to
get your expertise and analysis. Thanks for coming on and
we'll catch up again.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
So thank you. That good one.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, you're to That is Brad Olson, the chief executive
and principal economist. Didn't for met tres. But what do
you say? That's Brad's analysis and thoughts on the situation.
But what do we do to turn things around? Economically?
It is twenty seven past.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
One, putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
It's new numbers around youth offending showing us down fourteen
point six percent.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Car and Chaws the Children's Ministry. How much of this
is RAM raids?

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Oh yeah, that's a big part of it. Raids have
dropped by eighty two percent. And we do know that
a small group of young people are causing a large
problem within our community. So we're focusing on this small
group of serious, persistent youth offenders and it's starting.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
To work good. In your press release, you're claiming boot camps,
correct me, if I'm wrong. The boot camps haven't even started.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yes, but we did run a pilot and we had
a lot of learnings from that pilot that we're now
using within our work program.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Maylee's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
It is halb Ass one. So what strategies should we
adopt to reverse the recent economic decline and stimulate growth?

Speaker 2 (19:45):
A bunch of people texting through and saying, there is
no problem, lads. I'm a Tyler and Hawk's Bay and
busy as anything. I'm doing renovation, swimming pools, new bills,
et cetera. Honestly can't see the slowdown. And if there's
anybody to learn to tile, please get hold of me.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Good on your MUDs. Things are going well for Muzz
and Hawks Bay.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
So someone says, lowing the OCR. I mean that's you know,
it's funny with the you don't really have that many
levers that we understand or talk about, you know, and
one that we all get our head around as the OCR.
Lowering the OCR. This Texas is the values the New
Zealand dollar making everything we import more expensive fuel, cars, electronics,
consumer goods, there's no free lunch. Absolutely. That's the annoying

(20:24):
thing about the economy is it's incredibly complex. Yep, very true.
By complex, i'man complex and this Kate doesn't think so those.
She says, Hey, guys, the answer is drill, baby drill.
Just drive around Dubai. Amazing infrastructure all based on oil.
That's from Kate. Drill baby drill.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
And it's a very good point. I mean, open up
any industry you can at the moment to get things roaring.
But what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call headlines with scarlet
coming up and then plenty of calls to get to.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Are you suggesting, Tyler that we have become beholden to
luxury beliefs and it's time to just go back to
doing whatever we can to make our economy grows.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
What you're suggesting nicely see it? Yeah, drill baby drill, Just.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Trying to see what you're suggesting.

Speaker 7 (21:07):
Jew's talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Our economies been doing
worse than any economists had been expecting. Latest data from
statsn Z show GDP fell zero point nine percent in
the June quarter after two previous quarters of growth. Media
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Speaker 3 (22:18):
Thank you very much, Garlett. So with GDP fully more
than expected zero point nine percent of the dune quarter.
What should we be doing to try and turn our
economic fortunes around our one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call love to hear your thoughts.
Plenty of teams coming through on nine two ninety two
as well.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Dave, welcome to the show your thoughts.

Speaker 8 (22:39):
Wellcome, I tell us, how are.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
You very good? And thanks for calling?

Speaker 8 (22:43):
Hey, you're welcome.

Speaker 9 (22:45):
Hey.

Speaker 8 (22:46):
Look, look, we're in a bit of dire straits at
the moment, and I think thankfully we've got the heavy
list is the rural agricultural industry, which is keeping us
from crossing over to that one percent and more dropping GDP. So,
you know, thanks to all those farmers out there grafting

(23:06):
away and ensuring our that the wealth of this country
continues on how how do we increase our own personal wealth? Look,
you know, this has been something that's been festering for
a long time, you know, and I think I think,
you know, the one of the things that has been

(23:26):
very smart is the key we saver. I mean, we're
seeing now New Zealanders with more wealth, but we need
to put more money in people's pockets, right, now, and
you know that's that's something that I think is lacking
very much in the economy. The cost of living in
this country is going through the roof. And I don't
mean just food. I mean, you know, the rates on

(23:47):
your house, insurance on your house, on your car, to fuel.
Everything just combines to dumbing down and putting a dull
you know, sort of view on what people will spend
your money on and how they'll spend the money. And
I think you know, New Zealander at the moment are
feeling very you know, kind of nervous about you know,

(24:11):
where should they spend their money right now? Should they
buy that? I mean, TV's are easy. You can walk
in and buy a TV for five hundred bucks, six
hundred bucks. But you know, but but in all seriousness,
you know, those people that are thinking about buying a house,
building a house, renovating, going on holiday, you know, buying
something for the kids. It's a tough decision and it

(24:32):
shouldn't be. Like I said, you know, thank God for
the for the farmers, but we need to invest more
in the farming industry. We need to you know, invest
in you know, value added for the products that we sell.
You know, farmers are doing it really well. The timber
industry is a class example. I don't agree with you

(24:55):
guys on the drill baby jewel. That's you know, that's
just a kind of a it's a very Americanized sort
of way to sort of look at it.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
And oh, to be fair, to be fair, David was
just reading out a text from Kate.

Speaker 8 (25:07):
Yeah, well, there's not. The bottom line is guys in
the in the in that industry, it's not cost effective
to drill in New Zealand. If it was, they'd be
drilling you.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Sorry, just jump in there because there's more nuance on that,
and there's a bit tongue in cheek that I you know,
reiterated what Kate was saying, the text drill, baby, drill,
But what I mean by that to give it some nuances.
There are gold mining operations down on the Tago and
they've planned it all out, but they're getting stymied by
too much red tape. So removing those elements and actually
allowing these companies to come in and then it's not
going to be digging up the whole in New Zealand,

(25:44):
in all our beautiful places. That is not what's been
asked for here. It's just been asked for a bit
of a hand to get in there and to you know,
accumulate some of the resources that we've got, the wealth
and that resource to be able to make us a
bit more of a powerhouse in that area. And I
don't think that's a bad thing.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
No, no, that's right.

Speaker 8 (26:02):
But but but it's not as simple as just saying
to BP or Exon or whatever, come over you and
duw some go for the help yourself. Look, the reality
is just speaking on gold. If you go to the
West Coast right now, if you drive to Graymouth and
turn off to go to Hiker Ticket right on their beachfront,
there's massive gold operations all the way down there with coast.

(26:22):
It's being done and we are digging a lot of
gold out of New Zealand. And you know, I think
it's great. And those people that have got those claims
are making a lot of money. Believe you me right now,
at five thousand plus dollars an ounce, it's a good
business to DM. But the average key, we can't do that,
you know, we're talking about like look for me personally,

(26:44):
this is the first year I've had to pay text
I'm a solo father with two kids and I'm paying
tax to the government. Previously I got tax rebates, you know.
You know, I'm bringing two kids up by myself and
all of a sudden they have to pay six hundred
bucks to the ID. That tells me that, you know,
things have changed this.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
I'm not st you're saying, Dave, you you are paying tax,
but you're saying that you've had to pay more tex
over and above.

Speaker 8 (27:09):
I work full time. Yeah, I work full time. You
know I paid a tax. I'm effected. I'm you know,
I'm paying a lot of tax. But you know, this
is the first year I've had to you know, and
you know, hello, no working for families.

Speaker 10 (27:23):
I'm not.

Speaker 11 (27:23):
I'm not.

Speaker 8 (27:24):
You know, that's fair enough. I want people that are
really struggling to get that money. But I'm just saying
they thinks that the dynamics of change in this country
and it's and it's really affecting the average Kiwi. I'm
not talking about the guys that are shipping, you know,
seats on a target Cananauara again the ship. I'm talking
about the average Kiwi family, guys and girls that are

(27:47):
just grafting and we need more money in their pockets.
We need more money in their pockets to spend. Plus,
we need to have seeness for people to go out
there and you know, make more money. You know, tourism
is a huge part of our economy right now, and
we need to focus on value adding that. You know,
we need to get more higher paying guests to come

(28:10):
to this country.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, thank you so much for you call, Dave. Yeah,
interesting point. I mean, the mining is down is one
of the biggest drops. Mining is down a negative four
point one percent, But actually household spending is one of
the bright spots that's up, well, bright spot marginal zero
point four percent. Yeah, so actually there is a bit

(28:33):
of money being spent out of households. But yeah, I
mean it's complicated because constructions and down and residential construction down.
That's probably where you actually show people having the confidence
to spend something as if they're doing arena renow or
building building residential properties and such.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
That's where the big money's coming in.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty. What do you say, though,
what do we need to do to turn around our
economic fortunes? Nine nine is teach done, Cedric says Matt
and Tyler.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
If you're really serious about progress, then the best place
to look for gas and oil is the Rolling Hills
immediately to the south of Cust and North Canterbury. And
we need to diversify away from agriculture and housing to manufacturing,
right really.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Cust, you probably should have kept that to yourself, said Ric.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, is it on the tennis courts? I played a
bit of tennis and cuts it's a good place. So
I've played some tennis south of Cust.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Dig it up, diag it up and find it. It
is eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons news TALKSV.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Quarter to two. So what do we need to do
to get the economy back on track? O e one
hundred and eighty ten eighties to number to call.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Mining is booming in Australia. Many people don't want to
know and lots have short memories. Grant you, Cinda and
Chris are getting off too easy. They absolutely ruined the economy.
Think of how a coalition of Labour, Greens and Tipati
Mahi would really do to New Zealand says, and this
Texas says high A low dollar is good for exporters,
which predominantly we predominantly are. Wages will be higher if

(30:02):
imports are more expensive. We can cope with that, maybe
repair equipment rather than replaced so soon, therefore creating more jobs.
Thank you for that text, Dallas, welcome to the show.
You're not a fan of austerity.

Speaker 12 (30:17):
Well, this new government when they came in, they sort
of they plunged into austerity. But remember what austerity did
for England under Liz Trust. It didn't work right.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, I mean some people would push back and say
they're not, you know, employing austerity because they're still borrowing
a whole lot of money from overseas at the moment.

Speaker 12 (30:41):
Well, that's true, and people don't realize that they're borrowing
more than Greg Robinson did.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
So yeah, I mean, just to jump in there, Dallas,
and people have made that argument that it's austerity and
I don't see that, and I do think, I mean,
their reason for it was creating that room for future stimulus,
you know, by pulling back now and trying to reduce
the debt we're in. It does have more fiscal firepower
to respond if the economy worsens or in the event

(31:06):
of a future crisis, and we will have one, just
a matter of when, not if. And also that the
rain and debt, you know, I know that line's been
trotted out a few times, but it is true that
nine point two billion dollars of debt that was repaid
in the twenty twenty four twenty twenty five fiscal year
was enough to fund police corrections, justice and customs. That's
not a good place to be in.

Speaker 12 (31:28):
There will always be debt, you know. It's a balance
tream spending. You need to spend sometimes to make money, right,
You need to spend money to make money sometimes. And
but it's just getting that right, and combined with the
tax cuts for the rich, you know, they brought that
into which most people said, what are you doing that
for at this time?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
So, yeah, most people, But yeah, but I mean, so
you do maybe let's say that you do need to
spend to make some money sometimes. But do you would
you agree that the previous government overspent because a lot
of money was spent, but we don't seem to have
made much money from it.

Speaker 12 (32:06):
Yeah, yeah, Matt, When did need to pull back. That's
for sure, tightened the built because you know that was
largely to do with COVID, which and when it came
to COVID, we didn't actually spend that much more than Australia.
We spent a lot less than USA during COVID, so
that's been exaggerated as well. But yeah, we sure need
to after COVID. We didn't need to pull back, you know,

(32:29):
tight the bill and that was good. Hey, Matt, just
one thing on the film music. Yes, I agree film
film films date. You know, movies date, but the music
doesn't date because music, a good tune never dates. You know,
you forget about a movie like some of the I

(32:50):
was thinking about Robert Redford's movies like watch Cassidy Ill
never I'll never forget that bicycle scene where it's rain
dropski falling on the head.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
You know, fantastic of the music, but.

Speaker 12 (33:01):
The rest of the film I've sort of forgotten about,
saying with the Sting or any of those great movies.
You know, That's why I think John Williams music will
outlast the movies because movies state with special effects and
all that.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Thank you, I think you're one hundred percent correct on that.
Recently they re released Star Wars, the original run seventy
seven Star Wars movie. We're getting off topic with that
fight seventy seven Star Wars movie without the upgrades. You
know how they did redid the effects and they released
it and people were surprised how bad it looked really
from nineteen seventy seven. But the music incredible. Then the

(33:36):
music will be as good that John Williams score will
be as good in five hundred years as it was.
But that film will be unwatchable to the future humans,
I think. But he thank you so much for your call,
Dellis appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah, great, chat right. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Getting so many texts
about how to turn around the economy? On nine two,
nine to two. We'll get to a few of those
very shortly. It is eleven to two.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Mattis Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. It's Mattie Taylor Adams afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
News TALKSB. So what do we need to do to
turn around our stumbling economy? One hundred and eighty ten
eighties number to call.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
My friend Jeff said there is plenty of gold in
them hills and cust He also said people are still
parking on the burms in some resents and not setting
their moa low enough when they mow them. Good to know,
good facts. We spent the most per capita on COVID. Yeah,
so we did. We spend a lot on COVID, and

(34:39):
you could argue that we were actually threatened less by
COVID than other countries that spent less than us per capita,
considering our sparse population and the fact that we're a
little islands, a little group of islands sitting in the
middle of the South Pacific. But look, we've spent it,
and that money has been borrowed and this is where

(35:00):
we are now.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Exactly this text uses, guys. We need to encourage and
expand all primary industries. Also, we need to work on
how to stop the Australian banks taking so much money
out of the country. The only other thing would be
to put Chloe into Finance minister role.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
You're right, hi, guys. The best way to turn around
the economy would be a national a labor grand coalition
that would provide certainty on long term infrastructure, education and health.
It would be it would be great if the posters
ask whether people would vote for current coalition or opposition
coalition or a national labor coalition. Thanks well, Labor don't

(35:38):
have any really policies out now what they would do.
I mean, I'm sure we'll hear some gleeful responses to
these this current GTB figure from labor, But until we
know exactly what they plan to do to fix it,
then it'll be hard to know whether they could form
a grand coalition between labor and national. But it is interesting,
isn't it when you look at it, that that labor

(36:00):
and National do have more in common than say, labor
do with the Greens.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. But as you say that
tax policy Oho Chippy on yesterday, I think he was
with Heather saying they're going to release that before the
year's out. But that is close to an election. I
think most people actually want to hear what has labor
got in the at tank, What sort of policy or
ideas have they got to try and turn the economy around.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
This Texas says, your caller forgets that Labour kept Auckland
lockdown for months longer than necessary and stuff the entire
economy and shut it down. Drilling Time to drill again.
That's from jam. You know what, A lot of our
female listeners are big fans of the drilling. They love
the drilling.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, this is a good text, Gatto, Matt and Tyler,
Me and my partner both have good jobs, but the
cost of living is just too high, especially with the
energy prices and groceries too.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Kids.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
We don't qualify for working for families or the new
family boosts for daycare costs, and we are in the
middle class that pay high taxes and get nothing back
from the government. The lower incomes get the benefits. I
told my partner I'm better off financially after doing calculations
being a single mum and working the max of twenty
hours a week, because I would get more money in
the hand with all the benefits accommodation supplements and the
benefits then I do now as a truck driver working

(37:11):
forty five hours a week.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
That's not good. John says to the Two Afternoon Idiots,
Hi John, Hi John, which should we change our name
of the show? Matt and Tyler, The Two Afternoon Idiots.
It's got a nice round at some stage, the useless
right will have to stop blaming a Dame Jacinda ar
Don for the current useless A lots of management just
saying that's from John Lefty. Yeah, I think you've got
a term.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
You've got one term to you know, chuck a bit
of shade at the last lot.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
We need to expand and encourage all primary industries. Also,
we need to work out to stop the Australian banks
taking so much money out of our country. The only
thing would enemy you read that one out, Yeah, but
a lot of people need to lead it. When you're
out it our Tyler, that's the problem with this company
this country. People not doing the basics in their job.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Drill Baby, drill seems to be the core idea there.
But great discussion and we'll see where we end up
and there'll be a bit more commentary on that over
the next couple of weeks. I'm sure not to me
not too many people coming out for the Reserve Bank
saying they need to drop that, but I think they
will be a big part of the conversation as well.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Well.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
This person solved it in three words and they're all
the same word. Tourism.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Tourism and tourism, bring them in and fleece them right
coming up after two clock local rags newspapers have been
closed down, left, right and center around the community of
think tanks. Is that's bad news. But what do you say?
Love to hear your thoughts on local journalism. Oh we
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Ax.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Here comes News, Sport and Weather.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons News Talks IVY.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Hello to you, Welcome back into the show at seven
past two. So let's have a chat about this one
good story from Shane Curry and The Herald. It's about
a new report from a think tank which highlights how
newsrem cutbacks, newspaper closures and shrinking local coverage are creating
what they call news is. It's around the country, from
the far North to parts of Auckland and regional towns.
It says entire communities risk losing access to vital public

(39:16):
interest journalism that underpins democracy.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, so this is a little community papers that might
comment on issues, council, local body issues that might affect you.
The punishing speed bumps on your road. I guess that
kind of stuff that isn't big enough to make the
news nationally out of the big news centers that like
we happen to be sitting in the middle of the
one right now. Yes, so you're worried about that? Are

(39:41):
you're coming and us deserts? I mean there could be
the argument that either way, whether these things were still
existing or not, people might not be engaging with them
because there is, of course, the rise of the Facebook
community page. Yes, everyone has a basically everyone I think
has as a community page for their suburb, for their

(40:02):
for their town, for their area, for their city, for
their country. But is that enough? Is that enough for you?
And you know, tell us about maybe share some of
your Facebook community pages with us on nine two nine two, yeah,
and we'll have a look. I mean, is that Are
you comfortable that that that job that used to be
held up by the little local rag is now a

(40:26):
community page where anyone can say anything and it isn't
potentially overseen by any kind of regulation.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
I've got to say, I do like the Facebook, my
local Facebook community page, because there's all sorts in there.
There's people selling, you know, freezers, there's people who are
looking for a bit of work, babysitting. There's the gossip,
the scandal, a bit of you know, what the neighborhood

(40:55):
is doing or what they've seen going on, and then
listed in with that is information about what's going on
in the community. But I think what people love about
that is an instant right they've got an ability to
have there, we say on Facebook. But whether that's a
good thing for overall democracy, I don't know, because I
can't remember the last time I actually picked up a
local rag in my area. I wouldn't even know where
to find them.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, I mean, if I'm on us, there was local
rags that were that were filling up my mailbox and
being used for other things around the house other than reading. Yeah,
and I'm not saying that's a I'm saying that may
well be a failure of myself.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, the one I miss a lot. I haven't seen it.
Whether it still exists. Coffee news, Remember coffee.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
News, coffin news are still about.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
I love coffee news.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
I mean, obviously it's at the coffee shop, but that's
that's a local rag that I can get behind. There's
some jokes in there, yea.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
That's a totally different thing. The Coffin News doesn't address
local issues. That's just a reprinting of some jokes written
in Canada. Yeah, and a couple of riddles and a
couple of riddles and some ads for real estate agents.

Speaker 13 (41:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, the Coffin News isn't going to fill the gap.
If you've got the Coffin News, you could still be
in the news desert and have the Coffee News Tyler.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Yeah, very nicely said I eight one hundred probably says
more about me. I eite hundred eighty and eighty. How
is how important is your local rag in your community?
Do you still read it on a daily basis? Does
it cover off what you need to know? Or have
you just turned to Facebook?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah? So regions most at risk of becoming a news
desert according to this article far North Pope or South Taranaki,
Central Hawks Bay and parts of Wellington and Auckland. Yeah, so,
I mean, how specific does your community paper need to
be or your community reporting need to be? Is it
down to the suburb Because if you say that parts

(42:37):
of Wellington and Auckland are in danger of becoming news deserts.
I mean most of the media is situated in Wellington, Auckland.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, and if you're involved in a local newspaper industry
or you run one yourself, love to hear from you.
How's it going? How hard is it to keep it going? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Well This article says social media is not a solution
that spreads unchecked information without accountability. So there is that
as well.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yeah, it is eleven past two. But love to hear
it from you. Whether you still read your local red
and how important is it? Or have you just turned
to Facebook?

Speaker 2 (43:11):
The six says do you use your local rag to
wipe your I'm not reading that out. Come on, I
am come on, come on.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Your home of afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Very good afternoon to you. So is Facebook group enough
to replace the local newspaper in your area or are
we losing something bigger when that professional journalism disappears in
our local neighborhoods?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Loved you your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
I wait on hundred and eighty ten eighty is a
number to call.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
So the special makes a really good point, you know.
The second part of this, I don't know anything about
the Selling Times, but the Texas says Selling Times is
totally left leaning, hints is empowering local Facebook and local
town rags too afraid to publish anything potentially controversial from
n so, I mean it's unfitted the pace the community page,

(44:03):
and Ben also says that the community pages are up
to date. This is what we want, not some week
old community news rag. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
And that's a big part of it, right, is that
it's instant if something is happening in your neighborhood. For example,
something that happens in my neighborhood quite a lot in
Mount Wellington is the old Chopper. And where do people
go to talk about the Chopper? They go to the
Facebook community page to say what is the chopper doing? Oh,
e one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Ben, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (44:31):
Yeah after you guys. Yet to be honest, I haven't
read the rag in the years when we go straight
from the mailbox there recycling. But then you know, the
only time we keep it is from moving house but
other than that, no, I'd prefer to get it in
real time on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Do you think you you know, are you worried that
what you're getting on Facebook hasn't been checked by anyone,
doesn't have the the the checks and balances, and what's
true hasn't been properly researched, et cetera. Ben.

Speaker 13 (45:00):
Yeah, but if you're not sure on something, you can
research it yourself. A good thing I like about Facebook
because you get a wide range of view. You don't
just get the editor's view, because you know, there's also
two sides for the story a and you know the
the some of the editors can be quite biased one
side or the other. So it's it's good to get

(45:21):
a good range of views.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Is it mainly positive your your community Facebook page? Ben?
Or does it does it descend into you know, our
abuse and trolling and that kind of stuff that you
sometimes see on the internet.

Speaker 13 (45:35):
Well, you know, abuse controlling happens everywhere online these days.
But no, the people who are pretty good, the administrators generally,
you know, they'll get rid of someone off the page
if it's you know, it gets a bit controversial. But yeah,
they do tolerate, you know, certain things because people do
have different views, and I think it's healthy and it's

(45:55):
a good thing.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Do things like you know, historically in a community paper,
someone might go to a council meeting and sit through
it and report on what's going on. Do you get
that level of I guess investigation would be be the
the description of it or is it just people having
their two cents.

Speaker 13 (46:17):
With well, a lot you know a lot of people
don't have You know, a lot of people are working
fifty sixty years a week and they've got kids at
home that you don't have time to go to or
council meeting. So it gives you a good just to
what's happening in the area, and if you want to
know more about something, then you can then go out.
But there's no point in sitting there a council meeting
for three hours and watching people just squabboy over stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah yeah, but I guess someone yeah, I mean someone
has to go. I mean, do they do we need
members of the press or members? I mean, I don't
know if they're doing that anyway. But you know, in
the kind of dream world, you've got this, You've got
this person that is very fair and very even and
goes in and understands everything that's happening in the council

(46:58):
and comes back out and reports just the information in
an unbiased fashion. I mean, wouldn't that be great if
you had that resource? And isn't there a possibility that
that resource is just disappearing?

Speaker 13 (47:09):
Ben well, as far as I'm concerned in my local area,
that resource doesn't exist anymore. You know, like you get
some reporters that are one side and some reporters that
are the other side, and there's no one really reporting
the actual news. You know that it's all opinion based

(47:29):
based on the edit of this opinion, and sometimes we
don't like that. We just want to hear the news
and we can make our own decision, what you know,
how we feel about it whatever way.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Are you very active on the Facebook page? Your community
Facebook page? Being are you? There are quite quite a lot.

Speaker 13 (47:44):
I might have a scroll for it a couple of
times a week, but yeah, I'm.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Not on the every day anything spicy.

Speaker 14 (47:51):
On that.

Speaker 13 (47:53):
Well, you know, yeah, a few controversial stuff up, you know,
so I'm not behaving, you know, in the council meeting
the way there should be the stuff. So even now
and again on your bean.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
I mean that. I mean that's the thing, Like, you know,
people say that the Facebook page might be biased or
there might be misinformation on it, but there's a lot
of people out there that don't trust the local rag
to tell them the truth as well. Yeah, very true,
And that is a shame, is that.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
I mean, this is going to sound a little bit
high and mighty, but I firmly believe there is a
place for good journalism. And you can argue whether that's
happening at the moment, but it has happened in the past.
When you don't have reporters going to these council meetings
or things that are happening, then decisions get made without
anybody knowing what's going on, and then it's too late
by that stage. So that's why you get some of

(48:41):
these dicky decisions going ahead. Then they happen, and then
the community, by and large years hang on a minute,
I didn't know this was happening, and that is part
of the reason, right, But that very fact that a
lot of people no longer can trust, as we're seen
on the text machine, the so called lefty rags.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I mean, that is a big problem. He has six
says Hey, guys, I don't read The South In Times anymore.
It's become a leftist socialist rag sadly ruined after over
one hundred years of being a quality newspaper. I mean,
the problem for community newspapers is, say, you know, if
you're just dealing with community issues in the local area,
people are probably more likely to go to the big
papers that's going to have the big stories, the global stuff,

(49:19):
and then the community Facebook page is going to be
pretty visceral compared right. Yeah, it's live, it's it's it's
what's happening right now. There can be heated discussions, it's
a it's a pretty vibrant and living document. The community Facebook.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Page, it's interesting. Yeah, and that's a big thing. But
what do you say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
can the community Facebook pages fill the gap left by
local newspapers shutting down? Can you get your views? As
twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talks EDB, News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
We're talking about the decline of local rags around the country.
A think tank has written an article in Shane Kerry
has reported on it in The Herald, effectively saying the
closure of these local rags around New Zealand and It's significant,
is going to mean bad things for democracy in your neighborhood.
But a lot of people are texting through saying where

(50:18):
they get the news from now is their local Facebook
community group.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
This article says state social media is not a solution
that spreads unchecked information without accountability. So someone here is
saying that on the Tetudangi page, we have someone who
official information acts all the local work, so we can
see the cost and how outrageously priced they are seven
hundred K for an off the shelf toilet building, for example.

(50:44):
So I just gone to the Tetudangy official community page.
What have we got here? We've got urgent cat rehoming. Okay,
that's that's uplifting. Yep. Anyone else in Teetandangy experienced mail
theft recently disappointing. Here's some guy that can mow your
lawns for you. There's some good stuff on here. Actually
he's doing a good job. The lawn at the cricket club.

(51:05):
You got their water care posts on there, says what's
coming up? Nice. So it's pretty You've gotta say it's
pretty violent. This vibrant might be violent. Haven't anything violent yet?
I found an iPhone on Atkinson Road.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
That's a good person.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
If you've lost one, DM me and there's a horse?
Are they selling the horse or just showing a picture?
Is a nice picture of a horse? Nice? Who doesn't
like that? So yeah, I mean it'd be hard for
a community paper to compete with you know that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah, patches of horse and law mold people.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Mean it like that, But it's like this, that's happening
in real time, all this stuff. Yeah, And that's the problem,
isn't it for a community paper being you know, it's
only going to come out once a week probably now,
and you know, being as as sort of vibrant in
the community hard to pull off well.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
And whoever that person is who's undertaking those o I
as on behalf of that community page, they are doing
that voluntarily. A newspaper cannot compete with that because it's
quite an arduous process. And if it's someone who's retired
or they're just very interested and they're undertaking that, that
is hours and hours of work they're putting it into that.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
But is everyone so lucky to have someone in the
community that's willing to step up and do that kind
of thing, because in the past there were beats in
the local paper with things got done. Yeah, people were
across what the council did. And if you're lucky enough
to have a community where the Facebook page has great
new Zealanders on it that are willing to do oia's,
then bloody lucky for you. Yeah, probably a lot of them, don't,

(52:37):
Craig welcome to show.

Speaker 15 (52:40):
Yeah, hey, guys, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Thank you? You know the you know the coffee yews guy,
I do, I do, And I just.

Speaker 15 (52:47):
Wanted to shout out that they're not just copy and
paste some of them. I'm sure there are a lot
of recycled jokes, but he puts a lot of pride
into the stad jokes. He's a proud father, a lot
a lot of it's really you know, a networking on paper.
But yeah, I just just didn't want them to be
ripped off with the joke side of things. It's probably
the most proud part of the bus.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Whereabouts Which particular coffee news are you talking about? Because
they've all got their own little you know, they've got
their own little beats, their own little turf.

Speaker 15 (53:17):
Whereabout the U Yes, no, we're North and Base. But
he actually owns the national franchise, so he is the
coffee news all.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Right, So he generates it for everyone else because the people.

Speaker 15 (53:27):
Yes, he's the man that signs off the jokes.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Ah so people, if you don't know what the coffee
News is, it's the sort of would you say, beige.

Speaker 15 (53:35):
Colored, the non offensive pamphlet you get when you're in
the cafe or you know that where the Herald used
to be when there's not so much newspaper stuff. That's
that's where the coffee News is is quite popular, and
a lot of places in North and Still I'm assuming
it's everywhere.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Well, I'm at the Coffeews dot Cot and Z. You
can you can get it online. Oh so is this
you look?

Speaker 15 (53:59):
Moving with the times is important?

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Ye, Rudy got to be digital.

Speaker 15 (54:03):
But people take them with them and then they've got
business cards in the in the form of a pamphlet.
It's quite a successful business.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Yeah, it's been around for quite some time, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (54:14):
And so you get.

Speaker 15 (54:15):
Locals helping locals. It seems to be a very locals
helping locals approach and that, yeah, I think that's where it.
But like when you're talking about like are people reading
newspapers or are they going online? I think generally people
are getting away from traditional news altogether, whether it's online
or whether it's in print, because a lot of it

(54:36):
seems to be really opinionated. It's hard to find the facts,
and so it's a it's a different it's a different
approach I think when we're seeing and so that's where
I back off traditional media a little bit because I
just want the news and there's always a lot more
to it.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, I mean you've got to say that the Coffee
News isn't opinionated.

Speaker 15 (54:53):
It's no, no, it's factual advertising.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, I mean it doesn't have and that's not really
what it's about. It's some jokes, something to read, some ryersides,
and maybe that's quite.

Speaker 15 (55:04):
Popular because yeah, it hasn't it hasn't changed. It's a
it's just exactly as it used to be. So maybe
that's why it sort of retained its popularity.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Well, Jared May says, I run a tree trimming business
in the one or two and have been advertising and
coffin News for about five months now. In the first
month I didn't see a huge response, but I stuck
with it. Coffin News was the only advertising I was
doing at the time. I'm glad I did. Just this week,
my team and I completed an eight thousand jobs thinks
eight thousand dollars job. Thanks for the coffin news. No
coffin news.

Speaker 12 (55:34):
Well, hey, I'm going to do enough advertising for them.

Speaker 14 (55:37):
Rudy's a good.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Bag of the Yeah, Rudy, I'm looking at a picture
of them there, all right, Good on you, Craig. Thanks
for ringing in and sticking out for Rudy. That I mean,
I think Rudy would agree with me, I'm not. I
mean I used to do a whole segment celebrating the
coffee news, and I used to share the coffin news
jokes on a private radio show. Yep, and so. But
I'm sure even Rudy would admit that they're.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
They're light, yeah, very light, very light, easily digestible. Why
you're waiting for your coffee.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I'm trying to find a coffin news, Jake. If someone's
got a coffee news in front of them, could you
seen her in a news joke because they're not actually
printing the jokes online. They don't want you to try
and steal the jokes without picking up the magn too.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
If you've got Coffee News right in front of you,
our headlines with scarlet coming up, then we're taking more
of your calls local rags. Do you still read yours?
Or if you turn to the Facebook community page to
know what's going on, love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
We've got a lot of people coming through and talking
up their local community Facebook pages, so people love them. Yeah,
you know they've been described as a sispeit, but there's
a lot of people talking about them in a very
positive light.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
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Speaker 3 (58:02):
Thank you very much, Scarlett. We are talking about the
decline of local rags around the country. I think Tanks
says it's barefood democracy.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
But what do you say? When was the last time
you picked up your local newspaper. So twenty twenty four
survey estimated that there's just fourteen hundred journalists remaining in
New Zealand, fewer than the New York Times has. Wow,
So for our entire country, we have less journalists than
one American city newspaper. Hang on a minute, Tyler, are
you a journalist? Are you in this fourteen hundred?

Speaker 3 (58:28):
I have a background of journalism, So take me off
that list. I don't think I can call myself a
journalist anymore.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Okay, onsy three hundred and ninety nine. I hope they
didn't count. Hope that didn't count me. I'm definitely not
a journalist. Not that I'm saying that I got brother,
I'm not on a journalist.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
One thousand, three hundred and ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Then can you do shorthand or whatever journalists learn to
do with the little pad and they do the squiggles?

Speaker 3 (58:50):
That's a that's a real saw point, actually, because I
used to, and I had to pay a lot of
money to get over the line or else I was
going to fail broadcast school. And then once I achieved it,
I burned to all my te line books and never
picked up again and that was a bad thing. So,
like learning language, I wish I could because it was
kind of cool that I'd write little notes with tea
line and nobody care. It was like a secret code.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yes, Now, what happens as journalists just hold up their
iPhone and it transcribes what's being said. Yeah, yeah, so
it's very easier to do, so you don't need that. So,
I mean, this discussion is around local newspapers community newspapers.
Forty community newspapers have closed in the past seven years,
and this concerned that that we news deserts areas where
there is no public interest journalism at all. And the

(59:32):
author of this, Gavin ils Ellis, says that he's actually
the former New Zealand Herald editor says that social media
is not a solution as it spreads unchecked information without accountability. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
So are you concerned about the decline of your local newspaper?

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Peter? How are you?

Speaker 8 (59:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Good, thanks Scott, And what's your thoughts about do you
still read your local rag?

Speaker 17 (59:58):
Our local reg has died and gone to heaven. It
was owned by Stuff and stuff stuff that, as they've
done with most of the others, they've bought the papers,
sacked the local reporters and printed the same story all
over the country.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Oh right, so do you feel like you live in
the news, does it now? Peter?

Speaker 17 (01:00:25):
Absolutely? We are lucky in that we've got someone else
coming along and selling the state with a fortnightly paper,
and they look to be doing all right, and hopefully
that that will continue. But I'm a dinosaur. I don't

(01:00:47):
I don't use Facebook, I say right away from social media.
I love to turn my computer off rather than non
mm hmm. And I used to have I advertise in
my local rags for thirty years as a lawmowing contractor.
Half of my work from advertisements in the local rag.

(01:01:11):
The rest we were coming from word of mouth or
yellow pages.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah, we're about saying, if you don't mind me asking,
and what was the local rag that that was has
gone away? And what's the new one that's that's that's
turned up that's coming out for not.

Speaker 17 (01:01:29):
The Franklin County News is a local rag. I'm in Franklin, Franklin,
and it's been replaced with these with the Franklin Times,
which is it's a real reincarnation of the Franklin Times.

(01:01:57):
And and another publication is Mountain Scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Is Mountain Scene still operational?

Speaker 17 (01:02:07):
Not familiar with that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
All right? Right? So, uh mountain Scene that of So
you know we're talking about near Queenstown, are we No?

Speaker 14 (01:02:16):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:02:16):
No south.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Yea, oh sorry, Yeah, I was actually thinking that there
was a pretty small area just to have its own
paper scene was a good rag. If that's still exists,
I'm still there. I don't know when I looked at
Mountain Mountain Scene digital edition. Yeah, the mountain scene is
still going, but that's a totally different end of the country.
It doesn't help you at all, Peter, So what would
it take you? So you would just never never go

(01:02:43):
to the Facebook community page? Could there ever be a
situation where you're thinking, I'm just not finding out what's
happening in my area at all, and and you you
would never be willing to dive into the depths of
a Facebook.

Speaker 17 (01:02:56):
There are times, but you know, really, when the fire
staring goes, you have to jump on the local page
to find out where the fire is or who's experiencing
some sort of trauma or whatever. You know, I just

(01:03:16):
see it as unnecessary. Yeah, you know, if I'm desperate,
I'll ask my daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Well, yeah, that's that's you know, that's a that's a community,
a news source at its best. Hey, thank you so
much for your call, Peter, appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
It is a hard one, if you know. The Arguably
the reason a lot of these are closing down because
they're not making money, right, so you can no line
in valuably I mean that's why, yeah, hundred percent. So
they can't sell these newspapers. But who's going to pay
for a newspaper a local rag and so giving them
away for free they're making less on advertising. To the
Peter's point, that's the tricky part.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Local Rag down mid South Island is this tex Equality
editor is independent. Last editor actually held counsel to account.
Current edit seems to take the easy road and doesn't
try to peel back the layers or drill into the detail.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Yeah nice, right, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. You're still reading your local rag
or have you turned completely to your Facebook community group
to find out what's going on? And we are going
to have a chat too Rudy Cox who runs the
Coffee News very soon.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Oh yeah, I mean this is a totally different thing.
You're not going to get information about what your council's
doing in the coffee news. So let's just make sure
this is more of a fun little read. Yeah, well
whilst you're drinking your coffee in a cafe. But it
does have jokes in it and I couldn't find any,
so we'll go straight to the source with Rudy looking
forward to that. That is journalism. It is twenty to three.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk, say'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Very good afternoon to you. So we're in local papers,
vanish and Facebook groups take over? Who holds power to
account in your community? Are you worried about it?

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighties the number to call? Yeah, well,
a lot of people with their local community newspapers, their
local rag disappearing and turning to the Facebook community page.
And we've got Jim here and you're an Edmond of
a big community page.

Speaker 10 (01:05:16):
So yes, I am hi guys. I hopefully do get
the mountain scene as well, do you? Yeah, we got
it the fires out of though not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
So from that I can work out which are you are?

Speaker 10 (01:05:29):
I'm in Aratown actually beautiful. Yes, it is beautiful, and
it's a special wee town. So there is you know,
what's a place like Eratown. There is a lot of
people with a lot of different opinions. It was a
very small rural town to begin with, and it's gotten

(01:05:50):
quite a lot bigger. So yeah, it's quite a good
job actually being an edmund. And I heard you guys
saying earlier that you know, there's no one sort of
monitoring what goes up on the page and things like that,
But it's me and a couple of others and we
do actually monitor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
What goes up and what kind of stuff do you
stop from going up.

Speaker 10 (01:06:17):
I try and like create a culture with it that
it's not like a winge page or you know, people
getting out their pitchforks about things and stuff like that.
We try and keep it so it's you know, trading.
There is a lot of stuff where people have their
opinions and that's fine as long as they're not being abusive.

(01:06:39):
We still let that happen. But yeah, you would laugh
at some of the things that people, like a dog
walked on my lawn at three o'clock yesterday, that we like, Yeah,
now you can put that on your own Facebook.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Are you at your Are you at your computer right now?

Speaker 10 (01:06:54):
Jimmy nopuay to talk to you guys.

Speaker 12 (01:06:58):
But I just work on a computer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
I just asked to join.

Speaker 10 (01:07:04):
I'll think about it. You have to tell me what
street you live on.

Speaker 14 (01:07:08):
Well.

Speaker 10 (01:07:08):
That's the other thing though, is there's so many scammers
try and get them on the right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Have a scammer And I spend quite a lot of
time in I spend a lot of time in Arrowtown,
but just more of a tourist. I'm sort of more
around the slope Hilaria, to be honest.

Speaker 10 (01:07:19):
But I know, as long as as long as someone
looks like a human, I'll let them in. I'm not
to snobby about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
But I look reasonably human. Episode it does it get
political on the aer and town because you're living in
beautiful paradise that you know, I don't there's too much
stress down there. The people get political on it.

Speaker 10 (01:07:37):
We've had a lot of stuff going on with like intensification,
and so I've actually joined the Aratown Village Association, which
is kind of the go between between the community and QLDC.
So I try and keep across those sort of issues
so I can sort of spot when people are not

(01:07:59):
really coming across with the full troth here and there.
Yeah right, So yeah, I do honest for things like that,
but we also put a lot of information out there,
like asking for people's opinions on stuff, and I think
if you're doing that regularly, you're less likely then to
just get people moaning, like because they're getting to have

(01:08:21):
a say.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
It sounds like, you know, as you say, it's a
lot of work, it sounds like a huge job. And look,
one of the things that the old local rag used
to do and I don't know how long ago Eratown
had its own newspaper, but things like going along to
council meetings and you know, running a beat and being
across what's coming up. I mean that's too much work

(01:08:44):
for someone or or do you have people that really
focused in on that and just volunteer that kind of
information and time.

Speaker 10 (01:08:52):
Yeah, I do because I'm really passionate about it, Like
I care about rosown a lot. So I'm happy to
do that. And it just kind of fits in with
like I was given the job as admin and COVID
when I didn't have a job, so I was like, yeah,
well why not okay, and then it's kind of like
it's just become this whole other thing. But just when

(01:09:15):
I'm ready to quit a really good bargain, we'll come
up and I'll be like, Okay, I'll stay a bit longer.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Robes you back in.

Speaker 10 (01:09:23):
Yeah, yeah, good stuff gets siven away around here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Has there been anyone you've had to remove from the
community page and they've got a bit feisty day?

Speaker 10 (01:09:30):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I happily do it if
people are road to me, you know, like if they
send me a DM that's being nasty a road I'm
just like to see you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Yeah, I'm just looking at one of your rules right here.
You're permitted to one business self plug per week. With
some of the businesses getting a bit cheeky with their plugging,
they do, but they get a warning.

Speaker 10 (01:09:52):
I'm like, hey, hey, remember, but yeah, we kind of
have to do that just so it doesn't turn into
like a business. But we're happy for the locals to
just you know, do we post here and there?

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Yeah, So do people know that you are running this
particular page. Imagine it's important in the town. You seem
to have about eight thousand members, so if you're walking
down Buckingham Street to someone come up and say hey,
Jimma blah blah blah, like they might if you were
the editor of a newspaper back in the day.

Speaker 10 (01:10:20):
Yeah, totally that. I do get messages saying thanks and
like you do a good job and stuff like that,
which is always nice. But being a small town, everyone
knows everyone anyway, so they know not to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Mess with me, and so you do it really. I mean,
you were joking before about the bargains that might pop up,
but you do it because you believe in your local
community and you think this isn't important and you're willing
to pump a lot of hours into it. So you're
sort of doing this out of the kindness of your
heart and accalling to your community.

Speaker 10 (01:10:56):
Yeah, pretty much. And there is like a couple of
others as well that help out, so like, yeah, it's
not just me. I can't take the full credit for it,
but yeah, I've just bought my first house here and
I grew up in Queenstown, so yeah, I'm you know,
I love it here, so I'm happy to do it.

(01:11:18):
But you know I go up and down with that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Well, let me in, I'm down in aratown like at
least three times a year. So let me in.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
I've applied to be in the page. It's pretty much
a resident neighbor. Yeah, the questions Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
See what a great newsaland the gym is right? That
is doing that hard. He just for her community.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Need more people like jim a right. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. And
coming up after the break, we're gonna have a chat
to the man who runs Coffee News. It is eleven
to three, the issues that affect you and a bit
of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons News Talks B.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
News Talks B. So we've been talking about the decline
of local newspapers and are people just turning to Facebook
community groups.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I'm in, you are your own. You just let you in.
Jim has let me into the Era to Arm community page.
Oh my god, look at that. There's so much stuff
going on here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Can I just check some mine's still pinding?

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Yeah, no, don't bother leving Tyler and he'll just start
trolling everyone. Yeah, you'll have to kick him out, let
him in. Yeah, there's probably safe. Jimmy dn'tly me and
I feel so privileged to be in the Arrowtown community page.
You lucky lucky man? Is the cat still living in
the movie theater? Good question? I'm going to post that. Yeah,
OKAYX was the cat called socks? I don't know. Okay,

(01:12:37):
post and you'll get an answer.

Speaker 16 (01:12:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
We have also been heaving and we chat about coffee news.
A lot of people rang to talk about the coffee
news that they some hadn't seen in a while, but
others absolutely love it. So we've trekked down the man
who runs coffee news around the country. His name is
Rudy Cox and he's on the line. Now, get a
ready good day, How are you a very good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Thanks for talking to us. What niche does the coffin
news fill in the New Zealand media landscape?

Speaker 16 (01:13:00):
Rudy, it's just fun and it's positive.

Speaker 18 (01:13:04):
It's all like when I scrawled to my Facebook, all
I get is this car guy that that in the US,
and it's like all doom and doom and it's all
like and then there's AI commercials and people trying to
sell you shit and it's we're just We're just all locals.
The people that are in your newspaper. Are all locals

(01:13:24):
in your coffee news, so we love it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
So how many how many franchises are out there? How
much of the country does it cover? Rudy Currently we.

Speaker 18 (01:13:32):
Have seventeen different editions, but we are heavily recruiting, so
we know there are places that want it and and
haven't haven't got there yet or they you know with
COVID when when cafes closed, we're still trying to sort
of like find those those people that actually just want
to run a franchise. So, yeah, it's been good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
So what basically works as Rudy is you you do
all the content and that goes out and the people
the franchises sell the ads in their local area. Is
that great?

Speaker 18 (01:14:05):
They sell the ads and they do the distribution and
the rest we can. We can print for them, We
can do layouts for them, we can design ads for them.
Everything is done just delivery and printing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Is would the Coffee News ever go political?

Speaker 18 (01:14:19):
No, to be honest, like personally, there are franchisees who
have political ads in there. I don't. I just don't
want to affiliate with anybody. It just alienates to have
the country. So I'm just I'm happy not to take
that money and just keep it. Yeah, keep it authentic.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
So there's a comedy part of the comedy us. Is
it called the Lighter Side? Is that what it's called?
Or yeah, yep, yeah. So what what's the last joke
that you wrote for Roady?

Speaker 18 (01:14:43):
Can you?

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Can you remember?

Speaker 18 (01:14:45):
I think we're due to write some but one one
that top of my list is what does Jeff Bezos
do every night before bed?

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
What does Jeff Bezos to every night?

Speaker 18 (01:14:59):
Pajamason?

Speaker 16 (01:15:02):
Again, he won, He puts his pajamason.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
He puts his pajamas on like Amazon. Amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
That's a good one. I was too dumb for that one.
I was too dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Is good And you wrote that yourself.

Speaker 19 (01:15:20):
No, no, I.

Speaker 18 (01:15:23):
Saw the jokes like honestly, but I'm just like every
time I write it more or take him over like
a copy and paste of I just laugh and I
laugh my head.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
I love it. Thank you so much for talking to us, Rudy.
What a good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
That is actually really clever. I'm gonna use that one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
It's so long, so lightly it's the light of sight. Yeah,
it's fantastic, cool cool news took zi'd be to start
promoting us and ads and coffine news up and down
the country. Yeah, just blanket, let's buy an ad for
ment and Tyler afternoons and every coffin news in the company.

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Okay, country, let's start our own franchise. Rudy's looking for people.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Now, I'm gonna gonna I'm just gonna sign up and
make them pay. Rudy. If you're still listening, just put
us an ad and everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Money's coming your way right, New sport and weather coming up.
Stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Your new home are insateful and entertaining. Talk It's Matt
Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Savvy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Very good Afternoons. You're welcome back into the show. Really
good of your company. As always, there is going to
be a good discussion as looking goods. The new Secrets
is staying a yet at work, So radio host Sam
Wallace works for this company, he certainly thinks so. He
recently had He told this to Liam Dan. You can
read about it in the New Zealand Herald. He recently
had a hair transplant, joking that it's a career move

(01:16:45):
to keep himself relevance. But how much does appearance really matter?
When it comes to success on the job.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Yeah, it's interesting that he thought he needed to have
hair plugs to stay relevant. I mean, he's a good
looking chap. I think he could get away with being
completely bored on the I don't think. I mean, I
know lots of people that are look fantastic balled and
are still relevant. But I guess how important is it
how you look at work and how much would you
spend on it? It really is the question there. I mean,
should you get tax breaks for what you spend on

(01:17:13):
your appearance into work?

Speaker 12 (01:17:14):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Yeah, I suppose it depends on the job.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
You could argue a lawyer maybe might get a bit
of a tax break or something from the law firm
to say you can have so many suits a year.
I'm talking about from the male perspective here, but you're
right from the female.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Well, I mean, if you if you're on it, if
you work for say TV and Z or something, and
you're on camera right, then their lib will likely to
provide you're with the clothes you need to be on television, right. Yes,
But what I'm talking about is like if you work
as in a professional industry, is it like not a
professional like say, let's take for a lawyer example, you

(01:17:50):
have to turn up in a suit or else people
are probably going to go I don't want to spend
my money with this person, right, Yeah, So that is
that an expense for your business?

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
I suppose it would be. I mean, if you're turned
up and your lawyer was wearing board yawds. Yeah, but
then probably but when did that end? If you if
you then go down to Sam Wallace, he's saying that
for his business he needs to have.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
To stay relevant going forward. Yeah, I don't know. Like
I mean, Tyler, As I said before, I'm impressed with
how little effort you put in, and I think that
suggests the certain amount of confidence in yourself that you
think that you can turn up wearing. Is that a
pajama top?

Speaker 9 (01:18:24):
That is?

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
It's really comfy. I think it's some sort of flannel.
It's really nice trying to wear it. I think my
standards ectually, mate, to be fair, when I first started,
I thought I put my biz foot forward. You might
not have seen it, but you know, I really I've
got some new pants from Connor twenty six months just
for you, mate, and I had some nice shits going on.
But then slowly, I've let myself, you know, start to

(01:18:47):
get a bit more disheveled.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Yeah, but I mean I think there might be a
wider conversation around how much time you should spend getting
ready for work, how important that is, how you look
at work. Can you get away with spending less time
and focusing more of that energy on just your productivity?
So if you have someone that's spending an hour and
a half getting ready in the morning to go to work,
could argue from their point of view that that's money

(01:19:10):
they should they should be paid for that time because
they need to get ready, And from an employer's point
of view, you might say, well, I don't really care
what you look like as long as you turn up
and get the job done. Yeah. Yeah, But it's different
for males than females, isn't it, Because I think on average,
across the board, females would spend more time getting ready
for work than males would. Yep, I mean we just

(01:19:32):
have on the same I mean, for me, I just
have on the same stuff. Just het out the door.
I've noticed that, you know, scrape a comb across my head,
maybe brush my teeth. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Can I just say, though, mate, I mean, when you
first started this, and you know, you'll remember that you
had some jandles on, your had your bodies that you
came in with just to tea.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
And now look at you. You've got a beautiful shirt on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
You've got some brand spanking uchinos by the looks of it,
some nice shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Yeah, I mean you've gone the other way. There's nothing
to do with the show though, I mean there is
a radio show.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Yeah, we don't need to look.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
It just depends how I feel on any given day.
And I tell you what, as it comes into the
summer months, you'll be seeing the flip flops returning in
the board shows. I look forward to that very much.
But what do you say?

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
I wait, hundred eighty ten eighty and no doubt about it,
as you say, mate, For women out there, I think
not only does it take him longer, but a lot
more expensive. You know, if they're buying all the products
that they feel that they may need to put on
and to wear before they turn up to the office,
because they that is somehow expected of them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Yeah, well, he makes you joking the story, doesn't he
that his hair plugs should be a text right off
because he needs them? For his work to stay relevant. Yeah,
was it really a joke?

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Though? I think he wants their text right off.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
I don't know imagine the IOD would have some words
to say about this. I think the firm I work
show should subidize subsidize my trackies and ugg boots.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
It's from Mary absolutely. What do you say though, I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How much does appearance matter
the in your workplace? And should it be subsidized?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
It matters a lot? Never forget image is critical.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
The Texter yeah nicely put it as eleven past three
US talks. Very good afternoon to you. So we are
talking about an article where Sam Wallace had a chat
to Liam Dan and he mentioned he recently had a
here transplant because it's a career move to keep himself relevant.
But should those should looking good be a legitimate business expense?

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
He had a here transplant?

Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
Was that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Noise? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Recently had a full noise here transplant.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
So transplanted from a different part of his body or
from from a it's a comdport for.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Another woman, must be from another here? Is that synthetic?

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Is it a transplant? Is that the word? I'm just
sorry I should I should have this in front of me.
I mean it is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Yeah, it's quite a mode of language.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
A transplant.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
You know, when we think of transplant, that means taking
up from one thing and and literally transplanting it into another. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Where else? This is probably a terrible question. But where
else in your body has.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
The correct type of hair to put on your There's
not too many, not too many places, oh, one hundred
eighty and eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Also, do you have.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
A dress code in your workplace? And it might not
be an official dress code, but you feel, well you
need to look a certain way or else the boss
is going to have a word with you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Well, it's about in a lot of workplaces, it's about trust, right,
and credibility. So if you're going to spend a lot
of money with someone, then generally speaking, what you want
them to turn up in a certain level of dress. Right.
So I'm just trying to think of, you know, like
say a doctor. I'm not sure if this is the case.

(01:22:39):
I mean, if the doctor's got the doctor's coat on,
the doctors still wear doctor's coats, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
That's a good question. I'll trust them though, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Think I personally don't think. Now I think about a doctor,
I don't personally do not think that I would care
if I turned up and the doctor was just in
shorts and a T shirt. Yeah. But a lawyer, I
think I'd want my lawyer to be wearing a suit. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
I mean it goes both ways. I think about out
there in the newsroom, and there's some young journals out there,
and you see some of the young guys who have
just started. They come in and they've got the full
blow and suit. Yeah, And part of me thinks, you're over,
dress mate. You don't need to go full noise.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
You haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
You haven't earned the competence level yet to be taken
seriously in that full suit. But some people might look
at that and say that's a that's a professional journalist.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Hi, guys. If you choose to spend one point five
hours getting ready for work, that's your choice. I sit
in traffic for one point four hours per day just
to drive to work. Should my boss pay for this?
I mean that's an interesting one.

Speaker 14 (01:23:32):
Isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
The old commute pay?

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Yeah, Because if you're a truck driver, they count how
long you are driving to get to work and how
long you can work, how long you shift can be? Yeah, yeah,
it's an interesting one. This person says. Guys, I don't
see having here is staying relevant. Strange way to think.
Just need to suck it up and get on with it. Craig. Yeah,
I wonder, like I was just saying to you Tyer

(01:23:55):
in the ad break, I wonder like if i went baled,
would I lose my job because I'm a radio host
like Sam Wallace.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
So I don't think I would. No, I don't think
you would. I mean you look very different. I've got
to say, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
I think I'd look great. Paul, welcome the show. How
are you very good?

Speaker 9 (01:24:13):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
You want to have a chat about heat transplants.

Speaker 11 (01:24:16):
Yeah, so, guys, it's not the areas that you're thinking
about where they get the hair from. They remove it
from the back of your own head. So I'm aware
of someone that I know really well has had it done.
It's an incredibly painful experience. But they basically removed thousands
of hair polloicles from the area of your head where

(01:24:40):
you have good growth, and they then replant those into
your scalp in the areas that you want move to
regrow hair. And what will happen over time is those
replanted hairs will fall out and new ones will start
to grow in place of those as part of the
normal process that here goes through. So and also just

(01:25:05):
the reason for doing it. There are lots of people
that maybe have public roles or exposure where their appearance
is important to them. But I guess it's the same
as you know, someone getting their eyebrows plucked, or you know,
the procedures that are done on to make people look
younger and all that sort of stuff. It's really purely

(01:25:27):
down to the person themselves and what they think of themselves.
You're right, there's some very distinguished balled people. I'm heading
that way myself, so you know. But for some people
it's something that's important and them the specially, I guess,
specially if you're a lot younger as well. So, but yeah,
it's a it's a it's a very painful and complex process,

(01:25:50):
and you know, I had a lot of support and
sympathy for people going through it because it's something they
want to do. Then it's not it's not a pleasant
thing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
It's not cheap either. I believe it's over twenty thousand
dollars to get it done. Hey, so the bit at
the back pall so if so, I'm assuming they get
the hair from around the back where male pad and
bordness doesn't really hurt. So that just becomes a little
bit thinner, does it.

Speaker 11 (01:26:17):
It does, and it will they will meet most of
the follicles will actually, well some of them will come
back in that place anyway. So yeah, it's you'll be
surprised how many hundreds of albums of hair follicles you've
actually got in your head, so you don't you will
not notice the difference from where they remove it. And

(01:26:39):
I've actually seen the progress with us and I'm blown away.
Actually it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
And how long.

Speaker 11 (01:26:48):
You're going to have some I guess we get much older,
we will lose hair naturally.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
It will.

Speaker 11 (01:26:55):
It will prolong that area where they want the hair
to grow for a significant period of time. There are
things that they need to do to obviously make sure
that the health of their their hair and their scalp
and the follicles is probably more important than what we
look after, probably just samper regularly, and that's that they do.
They do more things retaining the health of those sollicles.

(01:27:15):
But it's a technology that has changed massively in the
last twenty years to the point where I've think, you know,
as part of the process they so we're spoke from
people that he has done. I was absolutely blown away
with what a difference it can make. So, yeah, that's
a that's a very viable thing and many, many people

(01:27:36):
around the world are doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
So, I mean, people want to do that. I'm absolutely
no judgment on them, because you know, if it's a
confidence thing, it's something that someone feels they need to do,
then then then absolutely good on them. It's interesting though,
if you thought, if you thought it was a necessity
for your career, that your career would come crashing down

(01:27:59):
if you didn't have here, that's an interesting one. But
I guess in this case, Sam, he's he's he's on
the radio, he's in the public eye, he's on camera.
Then maybe he thinks that that's important.

Speaker 11 (01:28:11):
But still, what's that Jens relatively young st than me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
I think he's like he's getting nine, he's forty five.

Speaker 11 (01:28:22):
Okay, that's Jakey.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
But I mean, I just I would just I think
a lot of people would think. And maybe this is
easy for me to say because I still have here,
but I think maybe people would think they would get
judged more by not having here than they actually would.
It's a very it's a very odd thing, isn't it
that we that we feel like there's a problem in

(01:28:46):
losing here when it's a thing that happens to basically
nearly every male at some point in their life, and
some people don't. People that lose their hair have more
test on testosterone than the people that keep their hair
for the.

Speaker 11 (01:28:58):
Lot, I believe.

Speaker 14 (01:29:00):
So.

Speaker 11 (01:29:00):
The interesting thing though, that you ever look at the
people that advertise the hair that procedure, most a lot
of them are sports people and very hope, hope file
yeah people. And that's probably because they are on the
camera and they've been interviewed, and maybe it's just something
so consously for them, they feel more comfortable about it.
And of course, when they're in their prime, they generally

(01:29:23):
maybe late twenties, thirties or something like that. So for
someone of that age, I guess, yeah, their appearance and
appeal to the opposite sex may be a bit more
of a priority than than enough old guys. And we
just accept that. Coming out and I'll rock a new
hairstyle sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Yeah, and yeah, I won. If you're on the market,
it might change things. You know, if you're a single,
single guy, I mean, Sam, your single guy. You want
to get out there, you want you want to have
you know, you don't want to feel like you've got
any anything that's not going your way, so you get
it done. Does any you know, and we see things
on my feed you know, my my social media feeds

(01:30:00):
or whatever with various products, does shampoos do anything? All
these kind of things that you see all the what
what things actually work?

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Only is it only the plug you know, actually going
for the transpart and actually the physical surgery type side
of it that actually does anything, as the rest of
it just made up.

Speaker 11 (01:30:19):
I think that there are chemicals and compounds that are
in some of those products that would definitely assist your
or reduce the level of loss. But I wouldn't imagine
that if you if they actually falling out or the
flag or the dying, I don't think it pretty unhinting
it's going to be able to recover that. That's a compound.
It's more about actually having to have a transpart to

(01:30:41):
have an option to potentially grout back in those places Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Wonder if anyone wonder if anyone's ever thank you so
much for you call Paul. I wonder if anyone has
ever tried like you know, when you get an organ transplant,
just to you know, someone donates their body and their
organs and then you just scalp them and then sold
onto someone else's head with that word, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
I'll put it on my driver's license. If anybody wants
it and I can't get you, You're welcome to it. Absolutely, well,
you've got a good head of it so far. Yeah,
can I have it when you go? Absolutely, we'll put
you down on my donor card. Oh, one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. We've actually had
quite a few ticks on that after Paul's chat. Quite
a few people are, arguably men going through the old

(01:31:23):
hair transplants. Have you've gone through it? Love to hear
from your one hundred and eighty ten eighty And.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Some people are saying that if you want this, Texas says,
if you want to see the worst dress code, then
just look at school teachers. Shocking standard to portray the kids.
I've never seen so many awfully dressed people. Then at school.
These teachers are simply lazy, cheap and have no self
respect or teachers.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
What do you say about that? I'm a stovingly lot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
I think teachers do dress quite well at school because
I saw a bunch of my kids teachers out at
a bar and that was the end of the year,
and they were all drinking, all these teachers and having
an end of year, and I didn't recognize them for
ages because they were in their cities. Yeah, and they
suddenly locked about fifteen years younger and boy, they were
getting loose. Why they love a party, teachers. One of
them was up on the table soon.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight on
News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
ZV afternoon twenty eight past three. So should employees be
able to claim back the cost of meeting workplace dress codes,
especially when appearance is part of the job. Love to
hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
The sixty says, I teach in someone bilingual class, and
we dress very well. I also have taught at schools
where many teachers dress professionally. Yeah, I'm not sure about
the claims that teachers dress poorly. Historically they dressed amazing
and walk shorts and pulled up socks in the Roman
sandals and short sleeved shirts with a tie and a
pen in the pocket. Yeah, very well put together, Charlene.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
Hi. Hi.

Speaker 20 (01:32:52):
It's made me think about when I was working at
a busy flourish in a mall and we're all quite young,
you know, we're all young UNI students, and I would
say quite a collectively like good lucking group that the
bus kind of nicely them to a staff meeting and said,
you know, could we just up the standards of that,

(01:33:13):
maybe check a bit of lepion, put a brush through
the hair. And I just remember looking around the group
and we had but we did look pretty a bit rap.
I don't know, Like I know, retail is traditionally like
a well presented job. At florestries are really a physical job.

(01:33:33):
Put the lifting running around, and we did like we
had the mumbunds going on and no makeup, and I
just we're all kind of laughed at that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
That's a lot to ask, because yeah, I mean, last
time I book flowers, my partner, I was marveling at
how much work it is. Because your point at the
flowers you want, you've got to clip them off and
put them together, wrap them up and the thing it's
it's quite a lot. It's it's a physical, physical job.
So do you need lippy to do that?

Speaker 20 (01:33:58):
I know, well, I think you are like now owning
a business myself, Like there is a retail like you,
you want the customers to come and you want to
look professional and nice like this was like Uni Dave
and like you know, when you could pull it all
nighter and not feel hangover to work like those kind

(01:34:21):
of days. But I do think if you want a
certain standard of dress, the employee really needs to employer
needs to provide like an uniform and kind of make
it standard for everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
What about the what about for the lppy as well, Charlie?
And that's not free, pretty expensive lippy.

Speaker 21 (01:34:42):
Is.

Speaker 20 (01:34:43):
I don't think any of us really hate it as such. No,
I've never won luppee. I look like a clown, So yeah,
I didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
One was was the boss that was telling you to
throw some luppy around? Was that a male or a
female boss?

Speaker 20 (01:35:01):
Charlie a female And she was really nice about it,
you know, And it wasn't like you have to wear
makeup and high heels. It was like you guys, look scruffy,
and I know you're not better. You're attractive woman, Like,
can you just present yourself nice? So you know, and
it was a nice way to go about it, and

(01:35:21):
it wasn't. But you're going to get fired if you
don't have that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Thank you, Charlene. I mean, I wonder what those rules
are around what you can say about what people wear,
because say you're working in a bank, you know someone
you know, there's generally uniform in those kinds of situations
with the front facing person. But you know, I've worked
in behind counters before and yeah, actually no, we've been
giving t shirts to wear behind counter. I mean I've

(01:35:46):
been told I would look terrible by bosses before. And
in the similar situation is the Charlene situation. When you
turn up and you've been out late. Here's all over
the place. Jeez, man, you've got your breakfast down in
the front of your shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
You got to tidy yourself up, mate your front of
the house.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
Yeah, yeah, I think like a brewery.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
I'm not surprised, but yeah, I mean in that situation
when the boss comes to the workers and seees come on,
you've got to pick up your game a little bit.
You're looking a bit disheveled your front of house at
that point. Surely is a boss you've got to say
to help you out. I'm gonna buy you some makeup.
I'm gonna buy you some lippy. If you're a feller,
I'm gonna give you some money to go get some
nice clothes. Surely that's the boss's responsibility. If you're going

(01:36:22):
to go tell your workers, God, you guys are a
scruffy lot, then you've got to front up some cash
to get them looking good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Yeah. So you line up your employees against the wall
and you end them eat a stick of lippy. So
we're to kill you, bloody. Put some effid in. We
know how that would go for you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
If you've ever done that, I'd love to hear from
your Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is it
fear to expect workers to spend their own money to
meet professional appearance standards? Headlines with scarlet coming.

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(01:38:10):
Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Thank you very much, Scarlett. So, if work uniforms are covered,
why not herecuts, makeup or even cosmetic procedures for public
facing role. Should the employer front up for that or
should some of those things be a bit of a
tax break?

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Hi, guys, our contracts these days include an expectation of presentation,
just so that the employees know from the outset what
kind of job they're applying for and what the expectation is.
I think if that's not laid out right from the outset,
it's a bit more tricky. That's from carry.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Yeah, it is a really good point. It isn't a
lot of contracts that there's a standard of dress that
is expected and they layd out pretty pretty clearly, and
if you don't meet that expectation, then they have a
words here pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
How's that listed? So if you're going to an event
that might say smart casual or black tie or something, right, yeah,
so would that be listed that there's because you can
say there's an expectation of what you wear, right, But
maybe it says we're a suit and then I turn
up with just a suit jacket in my chest here
flowing in the wind. It's a good lot in a

(01:39:10):
Medei beautiful, Yeah, majestic. Hey, someone says, bring back the combover.
That was a good look. Now, I bet the combover
will come back, because every haircut comes back. The comb
over us. There was a good lot. It was a
good lock. Yeah, until the wind blew the sideway.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
But you know, it kind of comes in circles, doesn't haircuts.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Right now, we're just twelve years ago, fifteen years ago,
considered ten years ago, five years ago considered absolutely horrific.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Yeah, Jay, how are you?

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
Good?

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
Thank you?

Speaker 14 (01:39:38):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
Work presentation is it? Is it pretty important?

Speaker 16 (01:39:41):
Do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Yeah? I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm always like myself personally,
I'm always trying to sort of dress the part. I'm
not dressed the part, but just anythink, especially in the
industry I'm in like I'm in. I'm a site manager
for a construction company. As I've worked my way up,
I've always sort of tried to dress and just present
myself well, especially in front of other people. You know,

(01:40:06):
you've got a lot of people coming on site so
you want to triss nice and a lot of guys
on site they didn't smell the best. So I've always
got a sort of sort of spray under you know,
sort of in my sort of kevinet under my desk.
So yeah, I've always tried to, you know, look my
best and just try and present myself as recually like

(01:40:27):
representing the company as well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
What is that in towl to look your best? Because
is that a do you go as far as a
tie on on site?

Speaker 9 (01:40:35):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:40:36):
I wouldn't go as far as a tie. I'm more
or less like Driss sort of uh smart schedule, so
you know, a nice shirt and a sort of like
a jumper or a Triss press top and just some
nice pants and tress shoes and yeah, well look it's
probably not seen because by the time you get to work,

(01:40:57):
you've got to put the hivers on, so no one's
going to see it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
So yeah, you bet, I think people would to that
people would. But do you think that you know, obviously
you've done well and you've and you've moved up so
you're in charge of people. Do you think that that
that you've always made that effort to dress in to
a higher standard has helped your career, Jane.

Speaker 16 (01:41:19):
I don't think it's helped my career.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
But it's just I've always sort of just tried to
present myself well in front of people. And whether it's
dressing or just the way I am, I think it's
personally that comes because, let's be honest, people get judged
on appearance.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
So even if people say they're not judging you and don't,
even if they don't want to be the kind of
people to judge you, these things happen automatically. You see
someone you judge.

Speaker 16 (01:41:45):
Oh, I've heard it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
I've had it numerous times.

Speaker 12 (01:41:48):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
Yeah, this is a way different topic. But I've had,
you know, sort of building inspectors turn up and they
don't believe on the site manager, probably because of the
color of my skin. So I've gone to someone else.
But hey, that's something else.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
But it's not cool.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
Yeah, like I said, it's I've always just tried to
present myself well. I've sort of get to step by
work by some of the guys. You're going to church,
it looks nice.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
Yeah, Yeah, good on you, Jay, Thanks for your cool. Yeah,
makes a lot of sense. And I think a lot
of people do find that important. But what do you say, Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty, Hey, Jens, the comover
is already back. Our kids are rocking it at school now.
So would you fake a combover? So you'd you would
shave in a bit of a ball patch and then
grow along bit and flip that. That would be cool,

(01:42:35):
That would be cool. I can see you with that look, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
I'm forty four and to survive with the comover. Not
ready to chop it off yet? Yeah, good on you? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call? How important is presentation at work? And should
employers be stumbing up if they have an expectation of you?

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
Love to hear from you. I love text like this.
It's like, guys, get a grip. It's called self pride.
Why do we have to get a grip? What have
we said that we needed to grip? We get a grap?
We haven't said get a grip. If you can't present
yourself in a tidy manner in your job, it's not
up to the to do it for you. What an
entitled way for you, guys to think? Well, we never

(01:43:13):
actually said that, but we'll get a grip, Yeah, one
hundred percent. I'll get onto that. I'll get a grip
in the break and we'll be back very soon.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
We'll promise you that. Nineteen to four well and truly.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Gripping when we get back.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks,
they'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
So if your job requires you to look a certain way,
should your employer help foot the ball?

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty And this is after
Sam Wallace believed that he needed to get here plugs
to stay relevant in his media job. He's the one
of the coast breakfast hosts radio station that's just downstairs
from us. Yeah, good people, Are they directly below us?

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
I think they are actually pretty much just stomp our feet.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Yeah, guys, At the risk is sounding harsh, I've been
bored for over thirty years. I look at any man
with the tupe or obviously a here transplant as having
a weakness of character. All this about standards of appearance
of smoke and mirrors, that implies all ball people are
automatically lesser somehow, which is patently ridiculous. This is a
debate about the egoistic self, nothing more. Cheers Brian.

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
Great text.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
Yeah, well, I mean I certainly would never think less
of someone or more of someone for being bored or anything.
But I think there are people that overdress. Yeah, for work,
I think you can come in with and you've put
too much on and there's too many different outfits. There's
too much going on and you and look, people can

(01:44:37):
do whatever they want, but you do in the back
of mind them, how do you have time? Yeah, you
have the mental space to be turning out like that
every day. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
Oh, one hundred and eighty. Ten to eighty is the
number to call. I think we've got Peter on the line,
or he might be down there a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
We go, Oh, there we go, Peter. Welcome to the
show's an How are you very good? Better since we've
heard from you, Peter, Oh, marvelous.

Speaker 16 (01:45:01):
And then look to generals you're talking about. They had
the hair transplant. I just taught the tar end. There
is here a radio breakfast totally.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
Yeah on Sam Wallace. It's an excellent article actually in
the n Z Herald it's a podcast actually with Liam Dan,
but it's been turned into an article. Yes, Sam Wallace
who does the breakfast show with Tony Street on Coast FM.

Speaker 16 (01:45:21):
Because you can't see people on the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
We were lucky, Yeah, lucky, lucky for a lot of us.

Speaker 16 (01:45:28):
Yeah, yes, I just wonder why.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:45:30):
Anyway, look the comeover I heard about that too, And no,
don't bring the combover back. I mean you just have
to look at the big the great orange idiot, and
look at the combover that he's got. I've seen some
comeover with my time, and they are absolutely shocking. I
wouldn't be caught dead in a combover. And look back

(01:45:50):
in my fifties, both the US. Around the fifties, I
was starting to get what was commonly called as a
monkey's bun on the top of my head. So there
was a ball patch appearing and it got bigger and bigger.
And it was one afternoon having a few drinks with
a few friends with some friends of ours and their

(01:46:14):
daughter in law happened to be a yah heaver and
taught me in to get the number two.

Speaker 13 (01:46:22):
A few more.

Speaker 16 (01:46:23):
Wines and yes, I ended up with a number two
and I've never looked back since. And that was twenty
something years ago, twenty five years ago now probably, And
it's good, it's easy. It saved me.

Speaker 21 (01:46:35):
Back in those days, a haircut was fifteen dollars, So
they'll save you fifteen dollars every time I need to
have a haircut, because I do it myself now. And
my wife of fifty four almost fifty five years still
lived with me. We still go to the same bed
together other things, so obviously it's worked and all those

(01:46:58):
other things.

Speaker 16 (01:46:59):
Obviously it's worked for it's worked for us or for me.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
So your person there, so are You're a person though
that's naturally got a confidence in yourself. You sound like
a person that has a great deal of self worth
that just sort of bubbles up from below. Can you
imagine a situation where someone doesn't, you know, already feels
a little bit worried about themselves and this is just
another thing they have to deal with that that's hitting
their confidence.

Speaker 16 (01:47:21):
Well, I guess yes, that's true. That's true.

Speaker 9 (01:47:23):
I mean for me, it's never bothered me having the
the the number two, it's never both. I mean in
the haircut, it's never bothered me having the the the
short hair or the ball part of it.

Speaker 16 (01:47:37):
And yeah, maybe I do have a bit more confidence
than other people.

Speaker 12 (01:47:40):
But it is what it is.

Speaker 16 (01:47:42):
It's a natural thing and it happens to a lot
of men and timetimes to some woman and just let
it go, let it happen.

Speaker 13 (01:47:50):
I mean, you know, it's just yeah, it is what
it is, Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
I appreciate that. It is a good call, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
I mean, you know, I don't want to be because
I'm not facing any sort of baldness situation, but the
old comb over or the fellers out there, and it's
primarily fellas, and I've got you've got a bit of
here there that's just hanging on for dear line and
they don't want to give it up, and I just think,
just go the whole hog. People are probably talking more
about those we whispers are here that you're trying to
row gain the hell out of in the hopes that

(01:48:16):
it's going to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Just shave it off. I take a let let live
and let live approach to people that here. If someone
wants to run a punishing come over, I'm all for it.
If they're you know, they've just got one little whispy bit.
If they want to get the back of their skull
sliced open and pulled over the front and stay pulled down.

Speaker 6 (01:48:35):
Whatever you want to do, own it. They want to
wear a rug, go go for it. Whatever whatever makes you,
you know, get through, get through the day. I mean,
the problem with all these kinds of things is that
you you might be shorter than you want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
You know, you might be whatever.

Speaker 14 (01:48:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
You can't fix it all, can you.

Speaker 13 (01:48:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
Self confidence is what you see.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
You have to fix it internally. You have to win
the internal battle, because the winning the external battle very expensive. Yeah,
very true.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
All right, it is ten to four. I will take Julian.
Just before we got to play some messages, get mate,
Hey man, how are you very good? So you're a
business owner and you do pay for stuff clothes, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:49:18):
One hundred percent. I think it sort of creates a
bit more of a crew and a bit more of
a tribe, everyone feels. I guess it's quite easy for
people to recognize when people out and go and doing
deliveries to customers and that as well. I recognized uniforms
or recognize the logos and all that kind of stuff.

(01:49:38):
So yeah, It just makes especially when we need to
go on back entrances and stuff like that, makes people
feel a bit more secure as well. And I don't know,
I think everyone just everyone enjoys, especially when we're at
events and we've all got the same t shirts on
the same branding and hoddies and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
What kind of industry, Julian.

Speaker 19 (01:50:02):
We actually we actually grow food. So we grow spray
through micro greens vertically in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
Wow, what an interesting job.

Speaker 4 (01:50:13):
So do you?

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
I don't think I quite understand it, so heny not you?
You just explavored us quickly.

Speaker 19 (01:50:20):
So literally, let's say we're in a three hundred square
meter whehouse and we've got four levels of hydro products,
all on different levels, and there's micro greens which are
basically a super bood. So it's kind of similar to sprouts. Ye, yeah,
similar to sprouts, but a little spatially growing under lights,

(01:50:41):
so then they produce a lot more nutrients and a
lot more taste. So yeah, it's a sort of a
new product that's coming out. A business is called raw
culture Farms. So you're welcome down a lock can.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Culture it out. I'll check that out, and just the
you're not growing any cannabis in there, are you at all?

Speaker 19 (01:50:59):
Julians No, man, not at all.

Speaker 13 (01:51:02):
But how you can do that? You forget a medical
license now?

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Absolutely?

Speaker 14 (01:51:06):
No, maybe in the future now, Curly.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
And my question for you is you're providing providing your
stuff with these uniforms. Does and annoy you when they
turn up with them and they're dirty or they're not
respecting the uniform that you've bought for them.

Speaker 13 (01:51:20):
I guess we.

Speaker 16 (01:51:22):
No, We've never really had that.

Speaker 14 (01:51:23):
I's sure.

Speaker 19 (01:51:23):
I mean we give them a decent amount, so, I
mean they can always have have stuff that's clean to
put on and chuck stuff in the wash, so it's
not like we give them one or two T shirts
or one or two shirts.

Speaker 13 (01:51:35):
You know, we'll make them make sure all.

Speaker 14 (01:51:36):
I've got like seven to ten there, so you know
they're keeping good conditions as well.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Make you sound like a great boss. Julian, Yeah, absolutely,
great stuff. I'm going to look this up raw culture.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
Yeah, interesting, good people. It is eight minutes to fall
back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
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and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
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Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
Just to finish up the topic a couple of kit text.
Hey guys, I'm an electrician in Raglan. There's a rule
in our industry that you must wear shorts all year round,
trousers slow down. I recently convinced my apprentice to shave
his head with me so he can work faster. When
I pick him up in the morning, he's doing star
jumps at the letterbox to warm up. Oh good, what
a great apprentice. I think here is definitely a personal preference,
so should probably be a personal expense. However, the IDA

(01:52:22):
currently says you can't claim a uniform as an expense
unless it's embroidered. I've always found the silly. For example,
in my past corporate jobs, I went out and bought
three suits costing several thousand dollars that I've never worn
outside of work. But the idea ID will debate that
you may wear that suit at a funeral or a wedding,
so it cannot be complained. But could you embroider something
on that suit and get around it? Yeah? Great text?

(01:52:42):
All right, It brings us to the end of the shows.
Thank you so much for listening. It's been a great
afternoon's chat. I've loved all of it. Thank you so
much for all your great calls and texts, you great
New Zealanders. The pot will be up soon if you've
missed anything, and the powerful Heather Juglossy Allen will be
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(01:53:03):
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