Full Show Podcast: 19 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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How are you New Zealanders that are great? Or shall
I put that another way, you're great New Zealand as
Welcome to Matt and Tyler Afternoons Full Show Podcast number
one two seven for the nineteenth of May twenty twenty five.
Really good show today. We've got a big name that
rang through and complimented us on our punishing chat around

(00:38):
around speeding fleuged people fleeing the cops, why do people
flee the cops? And people just admitting to shocking behavior
bringing up and admitting to shocking dangerous dukes of hazard
type behavior in Australian muscle cars. Then we went we
talked for a long time about the brain parasite that
is toxoplasmosis and a really serious issue in New Zealand,

(01:00):
and we talked to an expert expert on it on
how you can protect yourself from toxoplasmosis. Yeah, that's a
really interesting chat. And then we go even the doggy
bags where someone rings up and abuses me for thinking
doggie bags for the week.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
So had it all really?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Show. Yeah, download, subscribe, give us a review if you
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Speaker 2 (01:20):
And give a taste a Kiwi.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
All right, the big stories, the big issues, the big
trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
The very good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show
Monday afternoon. Fantastic to have your company, as always, Get
a Mattes.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Get a Tyler Goode, all your great New Zealanders. As always,
we've curated a very fine three hours of radio for you.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Have We want you lucky, lucky people. But just before
we get onto that, you sent through a bit of
a photo over the weekend mat of doing some shopping.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, that's right. So in a previous life life, I
was sponsored by Bunnings Good Place and as a result,
they sent me a lot of merch to wear. Yeah,
and I was out and about and forgot that I
was wearing my bunny shirt and I having to go
to Buttings. This chat isn't sponsored by Buttings, by the way. Yeah,
there's no Bunnings money here. But I having to go

(02:16):
to Bunnings wearing my butting shirt and was looking down
the aisles and totally forgot that I was wearing my
Bunning shirt until someone came up to me and started
asking me some questions. This is the second time this
has happened to me, because I wear my Bunning stuff
on the weekend quite a lot because I make great
merch it at top and someone came up to me
and asked me questions. And I couldn't work out why
they were asking me questions again because I thought, I

(02:38):
just look like just a super handy, handy person. Do
I look like a handy man that you just asked questions?
And then it struck me, I'm wearing the Butting stuff,
so I gave out some sweet ass handyman advice as
if I worked at Buttings.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Well, I'm glad, that's what I was going to ask you.
Did you actually give the advice rather than say I
don't work here? And that's what you should do as
a key we if someone comes up to you and
ask for advice, you should try and give them as
best you can, even if you don't know what the
how are.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
You talking about? It was a totally total, total stolen,
vallous situation where I just acted like a Bunnings employee
and so someone's probably going to be destroying their house
sometimes soon with my advice.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Again, did you get some paint in the end, you
get that sorted?

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yep, got the paint? Okay, good, all my stuff paint? Yeah, yeah,
I mean it's so cool that thing that you do
now where you chip off a little bit of paint
if you don't know the exact color, and take it
in and they put it through their machine and they
whip up the color that you need. It's very much.
I mean, that's got to be one of the coolest
problem solving things of all type. Yeah, because it used
to be like, I've got no idea what color this is.
There's no way I'm going to be able to work

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this out. I'm just going for repaint the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
And just shopping up Bunnings. It's like an adult playground,
doesn't I freaking love shopping up Bunnings right onto. God,
I can spend a lot of money there too. Onto
today's show after three o'clock. Doggie bags at restaurants, More
and more of us are asking to have a bit
of a doggie bag whipped up for any food we've
got left. One owner estimated it's gone from ten to
fifteen percent of customers doing that to thirty percent. So

(04:04):
what is the etiquette for asking for a doggy bag?
Should you do it in the first place?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's shameful. Just eat it. If you've ordered it, eat it.
Just man up and get it down. You just this
horrible squirreling away of food. It's just so desperate. I'm
totally into it. I try and shut it down because
I'm always at tables with friends and they're always trying
to order the dog beags. So I don't, don't, don't, don't,
I'll eat it, just don't get I just it feels

(04:30):
like an extra pain in the ass for the for
the poor staff there. They have to go and slop
it into one of their embarrassing styrofoam boxes and give
it to you, and you're heading home with your little
embarrassing lunch box of food.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, and I absolutely love it. I'll doggy bag someone
else's food. I'll go that far. If someone who hasn't
finished their food, I'll say, hey, can I just doggy
bag that up for me?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I'm a get it.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
That is the chat after three o'clock. After two o'clock,
you research estimates up to forty thousand people are affected
by ocular topso plasmosis, with ten thousand seriously affected. This
is a parasite that is spread by cats.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
It is crazy reading this, I mean, is it just
alarmins alarmism that we should be really incredibly worried about it?
Are you taking your life into your hands having a cat?
If you have a cat, do you think about toxoplasmosis?
I mean you probably should be. I mean, if this
is what we're reading here is true that you have
forty thousand New Zealand is affected by ocular toxic plasmosis,

(05:29):
with up to ten thousand facing serious version damage from
these little parasites, should be worried about it. I mean
it's as you know, it comes from their feces and
it's the cheeky parasite. I mean, its plan is to
get mice to eat the feces, so then they go crazy.

(05:49):
It gets into their brains and they run out and
take risks, and the cats eat them, and it's completes
the life cycle of the of the parasite, zombi parasite.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
It takes control of the mouse.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, it just makes them behave crazily and I think
it makes humans behave crazily as well when it gets
into our heads. So is it something that we should
worry about you taking your life into your hands, having
a little pussy cat in your house.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Well appears you are certainly sight into your hands. Anyway,
That is after two o'clock, because right now, let's have
a chat about police chase is another pretty serious police
pursuit on Saturday in Auckland, which ended with the vehicle
rammed and the driver eventually arrested. It was chaotic chase,
the end of which was caught on video. You can
watch that on the hero website if you wish. You
can see the ard in question sweve into a police car,

(06:31):
then into a parked car, then rolls into a driveway
before being rammed by a police vehicle. The driver gets
out and tries to flee while being chased by at
least a dozen police on foot. Dramatic.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Why do people run from the police? That sounds like
a silly question because they run for the police because
they're doing something wrong. But does anyone ever get away
with it? I mean, what percentage of people get asked
trying to find out the stat But I haven't been
able to find it. I mean, you always get caught,
don't you. Yeah, I mean, you definitely get caught if
you're in a city that's running police helicopters have run

(07:02):
away from the police and you're a dark past. Do
you know someone who's run away from the police. It
just seems like a crazy thing to do, and it'll
be just interesting to hear the psychology of it. Also,
love to hear from cops who have been involved in
these in these chases and what to like. And as
I said before, if I was a cop, I'd be
hanging out for a chase that.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Would look for that. Most of the cops would police
officers I'd lived that, wouldn't they.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Look, here's the Texas just come through. Pursuits were awesome
when I was a cop, but the bosses are threatening
you with prison if you messed up. Soon took the
shine off it. Yeah, I mean, do we want the
cops chasing people? Because the problem is if they don't,
and there's been a lot of talk about this, then
you know, if they chase someone at that point and
there's a certain amount of risk involved, right, But if

(07:46):
they never chase them, then you've got more high speed
people heading off at high speed and the danger increases, right,
That's right. So people have to know that if you run,
you're going to be in serious trouble when you're going
to get caught.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Right, and even more so in a place like christ
Churchill Wellington that doesn't have a twenty four to seven
police helicopter in the sky to be able to monitor
these people. And yeah, like you, I get the amen
that if police are pursuing these vehicles and they you know,
these these drivers are arguably taking more risk to try

(08:17):
and get away from the police. Does that put members
of society more at risk? Yes? Probably, But I would
lean to the balance of stopping those guys as quickly
as you can because letting them get away, arguably, I
think will create more risk down the track.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, absolutely, because more people think they can do it,
but can they do it? Can you get away? Can
you get away from cops?

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty And what do you think
about this? And if I managed to have you, have
you attempted it and it blew up on your face?

Speaker 6 (08:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
You can also text through if you want nine two
ninety two but keen to hear from you. It is
fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
It'd be very good afternoon to you. It is sixteen
past one and we're talking about police purshoots. Another pretty
dramatic police shoot on Saturday night, just the latest. There
are often very dramatic police purshoots. So we want to
hear from you if you have managed to evade police
after being fleshed or given that we siren for half
a second and you decided to try and see if

(09:23):
you get away. Love to hear from you and no,
one hundred.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
You can't get away, can you?

Speaker 6 (09:29):
Like?

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I mean, I never would, I'd never try it. Yeah,
you probably would, Tyler. You're well, you're a sort of
a bit of a duke. Brother.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Here's a scenario, right for most people listening out there,
that you are driving down the road and the police
officers coming the other way and they give you the
way and flesh so you know they want to ever
check to you, and you've probably got court speeding and
at that point I would argue there would be a
lot of people that were just say I'm just going
to dart down this street here and park up. If

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they don't know where.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I've gone, then sounds very specific.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
I get away.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Sounds like the very specific example.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
They do find me, then you could just argue that
he just pulled up and I waited for you guys.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
So the idea is that you pretend that you're pulling over,
but you're pulling over down a side street. Yeah, why
don't they see you going down the side street and
pulled down after you?

Speaker 6 (10:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Maybe, But if they didn't see you go down that
side street, then arguably you're not running away from them,
You're just something to pull over.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I got pulled over by a police officer recently, and
one of the thirty kilome in arizones in Auckland, I'd
have every right to gap that at thirty five kilometers
an hour.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
And can we just get a dang every time Matt
talks about this speeding ticket he got Andrew, we're just
going to get a wee bell. You'll get off that, mate,
I know you will.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Welcome to the show, Mike, You've you've gapped it on
the cops before?

Speaker 7 (10:46):
Yes, Yes, And good afternoon to you guys. Yeah, I
have done that very recently, so in the last let's
say three months, had a bit of a pursuit. But
I was selective and what car I was driving, so
I knew I had the advantage.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
So how did that? How did this? How did this
whole thing start off? What were you doing wrong that
the attention?

Speaker 7 (11:13):
Yeah, so North Auckland. I was heading south down one
of the main highways, well exceeding the speed limit. The
officer was coming in the opposite direction, must have picked
me up on his radar, flashed his lights and looked
straight under my eyes thinking that I was going to
fall over while he had to do the U turn

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and just kept it.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
But I had the advantage. Yeah, I was running Australian,
the muscle car, so late model muscle car, so it
had the advantage over the Skoda.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Wow. At that point, sorry, Mike, At that point when
you decided to gap it, did you think, well, this
is this is really escalating things. If I do get
pulled over, now I'm in a lot of trouble.

Speaker 7 (11:57):
Either way, They're taking my car and I'm getting locked up.
So the new rules have change. The fines are excessive,
you're pretty much going straight to jail, and you're losing
a car for six months, let's say, and you storage
fees on it. So they've actually the rules that they
changed recently have actually made it more of an advantage
to take their risk rather than actually slow down and

(12:17):
stop and get a ticket.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
So you were going more than fifty k over the
speed limit? Might I take it if that was what
the punishment you got called?

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (12:24):
Correct? Correct?

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Do you think how do you feel about speeding? Do
you think that's okay for you to speed?

Speaker 7 (12:31):
Well? No, no, no, no, no no, that was actually
a one off, but put it age wise on fifty nine.
I've been driving cars and driving sometimes the car is
hard since my early teens and never lost my license
in my whole driving history, never had a major accident
and my whole driving history. So but you've got to

(12:53):
pick your situation. You can't be under the influence of anything,
and you've got to have a clear path of what
you can and can't do. So it's not one of
those things that you're doing intoxicated or on the influence
of any sort of drug. So in your way up
your decision, split second decision, Yes, do you stop or
do you keep going?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
So when you say that the police officers saw you
made eye contact with you, wouldn't you think at that
point that he's also made eye contact with your number plate?

Speaker 7 (13:25):
Ah, that's where you've got to realize that static camera
actually can pick up your plate. A moving vehicle can't
actually pick up your plate recognition.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Oh right, man, it sounds like you're across this issue.
So do you think what do you think you're doing?

Speaker 7 (13:39):
I did study it after after that encounter. I did
actually study whether they'd come to find me.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, And so do you think what do you think
about the whole thing morally? Do you think about that
at all? Do you think you know you were getting
away and as a result you're adding a certain amount
of risk to other people on the road by blasting
out of there at even faster than you were traveling.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
No, No, that's what I'm saying that Actually you don't
do it under the influence. You actual evaluating the whole
situation and the area you're driving in. Put it this way,
it wouldn't be happening in a school zone and the
built up area.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Right. Whether you whether you're under the influence or not, Mike,
if you're traveling at huge speeds and if you say
you've got an Australian muscle car, that's a that's quite
a large amount of mass setting down the road and
you know, things can go wrong, things that aren't even
your fault. Someone can cross the lane or someone is
doing something weird. That is adding you would admit quite

(14:38):
a lot of risk to the situation.

Speaker 7 (14:43):
I would say, in some aspects of us depending on
the driver's ability. And once again it comes down to verability,
not just the performance of the vehicle. So we can
talk about the performance of the vehicle, you know, I
say muscle car, but also the brakes are actually equipped
with the upgraded as well, so everything's stopping under him

(15:04):
and it's got the horse and the stops. But you're
not going to go and pick you know, somebody is
on a learning license that's jumped into a V eight
Audie that mum and Dad brought for him and he's
going to then take on the law.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
What kind of carrier you're driving, I.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
Won't mentioned because it's a limited limited. Yeah, I'm sorry,
I'm not going to mention that, just as Australia muscle cars.
So it's between the holding and the forwarded range, right right.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
I mean, why wouldn't you, Mike, if you want to
go to those sort of speeds, why wouldn't you take
it on Pookakoi or one of the race tracks where
it is you, you know, the only person you're putting
at rest there is yourself.

Speaker 7 (15:44):
No, no, this this is just a one off. It's
not like you do it on a regular basis. This
was just the haird situation that it was clear over
ahead and everything was fine, and it was a nice
day in the circumstances. You know, we're all positive in
my favor, apart from the officer coming in the other direction.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Is it a falcon?

Speaker 8 (16:02):
And I was just.

Speaker 7 (16:05):
I've got both in the camp. I've got both and
n falcon?

Speaker 3 (16:09):
So no, no, Well I've got to say, I mean, one,
you know that the speeding element, but two trying to
get away from the cops. Risky move, really risky move.

Speaker 7 (16:24):
No no, no, But you've got to understand that you're evaluating,
if you're of sound mind and you're evaluating your circumstances
that you're presented in front of you, and you're pre
empting everything, you're actually okay. But like I say, too
many people are doing it under influence or something, and
they're on high and they're going for this adrenaline buzz.

Speaker 9 (16:49):
You've got to be in.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
Control of the situation, whether you're going ten k's over
the speed limit of fifty or sixty or seventy or
whatever you're doing.

Speaker 10 (16:57):
Yeah, you know, you've got to be.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
In control of the situation and your destiny and the
destiny of others. The problem is a lot of them
you find and are doing it under influence of could
be the pear pressure, could be the YouTubers, could be
anything like that.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah. Well, I guess Mike, some people would say that
if you're running from the cops, they would question with
a euro of sound mind. But boy an interesting insight.
Yeah yeah, this textas says you d heads teaching people
how to run from the cops. Very irresponsible. No, that's
not what tap me here. We'd discs call that a lesson.
I mean, that's we're discussing the issue. And I think

(17:34):
it's important to see mindsets in society. E. One hundred
and eighty ten eighty. We're talking about running from the cops.
Why do people do it?

Speaker 4 (17:43):
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Speaker 3 (19:27):
News Talks ed ZP. It is twenty nine past one.
There's been a heck of a lot of feedback from Mike.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
What an idiot, Mike, and doesn't sound young. Go to
Australia and see what happens to you. Yeah, I mean
the Australian cops. They'll whop a gun out pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, they certainly will. Now tell you.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
It's interesting Mike because he is fifty nine. In that
caller that was telling us about running away from the cops.
I think it was three months ago. Yeah, so you know,
normally you calm down by the time, but by the
time you're fifty nine.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
But a big backlash towards Mike. But look, he was
brave enough to call in, and so yeah, who was
listening to that conversation? Police Minister Mark Mitchell who joins
us now, Mark, very good.

Speaker 12 (20:06):
Afternoons you and guys that I called in because I
was listening to this. I'm on the way to a
Bravery's Awards ceremonial government house for our police officers and
I just thought you guys handled that very very well.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Thanks good.

Speaker 12 (20:18):
Nailed the message, which is which is be compliant. So
I just couldn't believe he was gone on that I'm
a good driver and you know.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
All the rest of it.

Speaker 13 (20:27):
In trying to justify it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, who loves that you're on the case now?

Speaker 6 (20:34):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 12 (20:36):
I like the way you guys.

Speaker 14 (20:37):
Said, can you describe you there?

Speaker 3 (20:40):
You'll be doing that almost.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
What is the current situation now, because we don't have
a specific If I'm right that didn't happen, that there's
a specific offense fleeing from the police. You know that
on top of what you're doing. Is that correct?

Speaker 12 (20:54):
Look, I'd have to check that.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I think there is a.

Speaker 12 (20:56):
Farning to stop offense for someone that doesn't stop for police.
So yes, there is a there is a specific offense
for that. But I mean you know that the reality
of it is our police officers are out there to
keep our roads safe. We're in a pretty good space
at the mombers of their country. Our road toll is
coming down. And the reality of is that when people
leave home, they want to get home safely at the
end of the day, and the police are out there

(21:18):
to try and make sure that happens.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, on the police pursue policy, Mark has that made
a discernible difference when that was changed I believe in
mid twenty twenty three.

Speaker 12 (21:29):
Yeah, so it's very operational, But yes, I think It
has made a big difference because you've reintroduced that deterrent
factor again, where offenders were out there sort of acting
with impunity knowing the police were going to respond. And
I think now they know that they do and the
police are still very cautious around that. They still have
full operational discretion in terms of whether they continue as

(21:49):
pursuit or pull out of it, but they've got that
ability to be able to make those decisions again, and
I think that was an important step in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Of course, it's your job to think of the bigger picture,
but when it comes to us, do we need to
think about that bigger picture. Maybe the risk of chasing
now is high in that incident, but the risk of
police not chasing is also high as the it gets
out that you can give it a go if you
see it.

Speaker 12 (22:11):
Very fine balance. It's a very fine balance, and our
police officers are making those decisions hundreds of times a
day and they generally always.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Get it right.

Speaker 12 (22:20):
But there's a lot of stuff that you know that
they don't control. These are often and they have to
weighut public safety. But there has to be at a
turn effect. If we lived in a society where there
was no consequences, then everyone just be running right. So,
you know, it's a really hard one. But look, we've
got a world class police force. They get a lot
of training in their decision making, they have that discretion,

(22:42):
They are very careful. But I think they were in
a good place at the moment around the pursuit policy.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Now this might sound flippant, but if I was a
police officer, and maybe this is why I'm not a
police officer, but I would I would find a police
chase pretty fun. I mean getting to do it. I
mean that must be when you get to put the
siren on and chase someone, must be good for morale
when you actually get to do it in a safe fashion.
I mean, to be honest, it must be pretty fun.

Speaker 12 (23:11):
Look, I think most police officers, in fact, i'd probably
say all police officers join because they want to protect
the communities that they're in. I think that now with
these high powered vehicles and our police officers are our
front line, are acutely aware of the risks around police pursuits.
They don't want to put public at at you know,
it added risk. However, they've also very constantly the fact

(23:33):
that there's got to be a deterrent effect effect, and
we ended up in this place a few years ago
where we just had rempant crime with stolen vehicles failing
to stop operating with impunity. And if we want to
have an ordered society, then the police have to have
the ability to be able to deal with that.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, and we're talking to Mark Mitchell, New Zealand Minister
of Police. Are the scoters fast enough? Mark?

Speaker 6 (23:57):
I don't know when I heard the Giddess Goods.

Speaker 12 (24:00):
I've have to admit I did take a second take.
But the feed deck I have is they're very very
good and our police officers like operating them here.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, well brilliant. Thank you so much for calling in.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, great to chat with you. And you said you're
off to the Bravery Bravery Awards.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yes I am.

Speaker 12 (24:16):
I'm heading up to Gumman House now. So I was
just listening to the radio and I just thought you
guys handled it call so well that I just wanted
to ring in and say thank you.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
No, very good, thank you very much for chatting with us. Mark,
that is police Minister Mark Mitchell. But ken you hear
from you? Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Headlines with Raylene coming up.

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Speaker 2 (25:58):
Just a colonel, never meaning no harm, it's all you
never saw bobble With the loss of TV.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
News talks, he'd be welcome back into the show. Twenty
two to turn. We're talking about police prosuots on the
back of quite a dramatic one on Saturday night. But
we've asked the question, have you ever tried to evade
police if you've been flashed or been asked to pull over?
And why why do people try and escape the police?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, it's amazing that people still do because I mean,
particularly in the cities, as I said before, with helicopters
good luck, Yeah, CCTV footage and stuff. I mean I'd
love to see the percentages of people that get away
with it. Yeah, not a lot. I wouldn't say all that.
Mike bring him before and he reckon he'd had some
success if you can call it that.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, plenty of texts coming through, still a lot of
people having to go at Mike our first caller, and
we also heard from the police Minister Mark Mitchell, who
won it was quite nice when he said we did
a good job talking to Mike. But also as police minister,
of course he had to say that the message is,
of course you don't run from the police.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah. Well, some post people text things here are saying
that police police chases are not fun experience for police,
and just because they would be like, police do the
absolute right thing, right, And I know that their policy
is t r te R threat, Exposure, necessity and risk.
So when it comes to a chase, they go threat

(27:30):
and they they analyze the threat and the potential exposure
caused posed by the vehicle occupants, necessary necessity to immediately
apprehend the driver and or passages, and the ongoing risk
of harm. So they definitely do that. But people are
allowed to enjoy their jobs, right, And so if I
was a police officer, there's no moral failing if you

(27:50):
get into a police chase and you get some kind
of rush by it if you're doing everything else right.
So if you if you have followed the the analysis
correctly and this chase needs to go down, absolutely nothing
wrong with enjoying it and having a few few tales
to tell, you know when you tie. Maybe put it in.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
A book exactly one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number called. If you have got away a few times,
we'd love to hear from you, Craig. I think that
is you.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
You have.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
You have evaded police on a few occasions.

Speaker 14 (28:25):
Yep, when I was a bit younger.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, and tell us under what circumstances they were, please, Craig,
What were you doing wrong?

Speaker 14 (28:36):
Basically just a won on the motor bike?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Was going to far right and whereabouts? Was that?

Speaker 14 (28:44):
Oh? Various places? But I did an apprenticeship in Wellington.
I've got chased and frequently around Wellington, usually on the motorways.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Do you ever get caught, Craig.

Speaker 14 (29:02):
I've been caught once and I've probably gotten away at
least a dozen times.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
And you say this was a while ago, was it, Craig?
How many years ago you were we talking about?

Speaker 14 (29:15):
I blame it basically on my dad, because here's to
tell me about racing away from the cops. When I
was a young kid. Right when I got biked, I
was crazy on them. I only knew one speed basically too. Consequently,
the police used to notice me and cheating me around.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
How do you feel about that now, Craig? And those
those risks that you took back then.

Speaker 14 (29:44):
Well, I'm naturally very grateful that I never had any
kind of collision with anybody, because I know I would
have felt really terrible if I injured somebody.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Just motorcyclist in general, Craig, do you think they do
speed more than than regular drivers.

Speaker 14 (30:05):
Well, motorcycles, especially modern discycles, have a very high performance potential,
so they can achieve very high speeds very easily.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah. I mean, I was just, you know, walking home
the other night, and I came across a very very
cool bike and I was looking at it was a
Triumph and I was thinking, Man, this is a cool
piece of machinery. But then it struck me how crazy
they are. Yeah, you're basically just wrapping your legs around
an engine and wicked pieces of machinery. But the level

(30:40):
of risk is quite high, high, would you say, Craig,
especially if you start, you know, running away from cops
and such.

Speaker 6 (30:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (30:49):
Well that's where it takes experience to learn how to
control them properly.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
But even then.

Speaker 14 (30:55):
You have that level of skill, there's still unforeseen circumstances
around the corner. There could be gravel. Yeah, they could
be a person turning around. There could be anything. So
you have to be well prepared mentally if you're going
to try going fast on a bike on the road.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
What age do you think you that that sort of
realization came to you that maybe you know, running away
from cops and this speeding wasn't such a great idea.

Speaker 14 (31:28):
Well, I've never really been against speed, as to say,
it's where that's what I've learned. Where do you speed?
Because when I was young, I would just go flat
out everywhere, and so I was a danger to other people.
Whereas over the years I've learned that a quiet country

(31:50):
back road is much more suitable. And but today, if
you tried racing the cops, now there's they got cameras
at most major intersections. There's cameras all along the motorways.
So if you try to do that, or they'll do
I'll just track you with cameras and then I'll get

(32:11):
the helicopter following you. Not really a good idea.

Speaker 11 (32:15):
Anymore, Craig, how old are you?

Speaker 2 (32:18):
If you don't mind me asking?

Speaker 14 (32:20):
Fifty seven at the moment fifty.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Seven, Because so we were talking to Mark before, who
was Mike, Mike, sorry, Mike before? Who was fifty nine
and he just recently gapped it on the cops, which
seems quite old to still be doing that. Do you
think you would now if the opportunity, if it wasn't
for the cameras, and it wasn't for the fact that
you know you'll almost suddenly get caught these days, do
you think you'd think you'd flee flee at fifty seven?

Speaker 14 (32:47):
Well, I hope to think not, because I'm mentually my
job as as a truck driver, so if I lose
my license and a weddy job exactly.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I mean, that's why I can't understand and good on
you're for giving us a buzz, Craig, and in your youth, yep,
maybe slightly different story then, but I can't understand why
p people who are a little bit older, a little
bit wiser, would even contemplate trying to run away from
the police, because in your instance, Craigan, for most of us,
it would ruin your life. You know arguably that if

(33:19):
you if you do that and you crash, then I
actually think you should do prison time for that, because
you're putting members of society at risk and yourself and
the police, and it just blows my mind that people
would even consider it.

Speaker 14 (33:34):
I think that people just throw it out of panic.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, true and absolutely yeah, and then.

Speaker 14 (33:43):
They don't stop and then they think, oh, no, you're
going to get in trouble.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, that's right. And then you then you're in the
midst of it. And of course if you if you,
you know, as famously, people discuss that your prefrontal cortex
hasn't fully developed until you're twenty five. Yeah, so you're
not Often people aren't thinking about the future and they're
not simulating that the outcomes of what they're doing. As
Craig says, they flee and then they go, oh god,

(34:08):
where I am now? And of course, you know, we
started the hour talking about why people do it. Some
of them are messed out of their head, yeah, very true,
or drunk and making terrible decisions. Yeah, no logic there whatsoever,
or you know, criminal activity and they're buying themselves some
time to hif whatever's in their car out the window.
You know, there's lots of reasons why people don't do it.

(34:28):
But yeah, as Craigs is, there are there are cameras everywhere.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Now, yep, thank you very much for giving us a
buzz Craig oh eight one hundred eighty teen eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
The six says, I personally think if you run, you're
an idiot and deserve to be punished through it. You
put you not only your life in danger, but others.
Minele got hit at an intersection and Auckland from a
fleeing bank rubber and it changes life forever. I have
no respect or liking for running from the police.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Thanks for your text, Jeff, Yeah, it is thirteen to two.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Back in the moth the issues that affect you and
a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
The afternoon it is ten to two, Okay.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
I did run from the cops once. I was driving
back from Takapuna Markets after selling plants there on a
Sunday morning, kind of plants. Cop passed me going the
other way and I saw him indicate to turn around,
and my rear view was paranoid because I thought the
iid had put a fat where on me over unpaid
tax i had no waff or regio and road users
were out Jesus, so I floored it in me old

(35:35):
Mitzi only to come up on queue traffic at a
roundabout shortly after, slammed on the dodgy brakes and took
out the giveaway sign, snapped it off at ground level,
then drove home sweating bullets, waiting for a cop visit
that didn't come. The adrenaline was something else, according to
this text out. Yeah, what a freaking story.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
That is a hell of a story.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Surely that wasn't an episode of Jukes of has it?

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah? I mean, is it got adrenaline or bed adrenaline?
I don't know. I suppose if you got away with
it in the end, but you would be breaking it
for a few days after that, meth do you? Thank
you very much?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
What's got to say? You managed to get away with.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
That and take it out the giveway signs, so you
didn't even stop it trying to gap it with with
a car that was not warranted, registered or had ruck paid.
They just take out signs on your way.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
But also, like if the idea after you then the
cops are running a that they don't. They don't pull
you over and do a text order on you. No,
well yeah, I'll just let's just come up. They haven't
paid your GST.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Thank you very much for that. Tig's con How you
doing get a con y?

Speaker 6 (36:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (36:36):
Good?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Are you good?

Speaker 3 (36:37):
What's your take on this?

Speaker 15 (36:40):
The only thing I was going to say is that
I'm going from a pretty good source that the police
won't pursue motorbikes anymore. I'll not be sure what they
ever did or not, but apparently they don't pursue motorbikes
now or spike them for the obvious reasons.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, you can see how spiking a fleeing bike would
go badly.

Speaker 15 (37:01):
Yeah, it went knee and well on one sort.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, But for the rider though, And what is wrong
with that? If this motorcyclist is fleeing and that's the
main danger to spike, take him off and I'm saying
he here, but take him off the bike and he
will kills himself. Is that part of the deal.

Speaker 15 (37:19):
Well he chose to do it.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah yeah. Well but in te INR, which is the
threat exposure, necessity risk, that's what they put it through
this little graph of where they're going to chase. They
take on risk and harm to any person, property or
public interest, but also including the person. But you know,
I don't know if the person, if the person on

(37:42):
the bike was armed or something or offer or presented
a real risk to the community, not only the horrific
risk of them racing around ice speed. Then you could
imagine that spiking would would come out. But hey, thank
you for your call. Con appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yep, very interesting. A couple of texts to the break
guys in the nineteen seventies, I got chased in Henderson
from going through one intersection with a red light. I
looked my right and all I saw was the word
International across the front of the truck that was there.
Very scary. Used to get chased a fair bit, but
ended up inside because of it.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, well, I mean absolutely if you decide to gap
it through intersections, then boy oh boy, things can go
really bad for you and others. Obviously.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, its seven minutes to two bagvery shortly. Here on
news talks, he'd b.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty Tight, it's mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
B news Talks, there'd be great discussion about police pursuits
on the back of Well, the story that kicked us
off was quite a dramatic one on Saturday night. But man,
oh man, we've heard some interesting stories from our callers.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
When chasing a bike police need to change from tner
to PSI s put stick in spokes.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
That stick and spokes.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
I've been involved in a television show where did a
stunt putting sticks and a speeding bike spokes and not
easy to get the stick in. I found, no, it'll it'll,
it'll whip round on you. Yeah, as I found as
the person put in the stick in the spokes?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Did you get success on that though?

Speaker 16 (39:18):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Wow? Success?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Who for for the writer or whoever's checking that stick?

Speaker 2 (39:24):
And I think for the entertainment of the viewers of
the particular show we're making problem success but not for
my hand or the stuntman.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah, I bet right. There has been a great discussion.
Thank you very much to everyone who phoned and ticked
on that one. Coming up after the news, we want
to have a we chat about our beloved Wow are
they beloved? But we're gonna have a chat about household cats.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Well, they're definitely beloved by some forty percent of households
have cats in New Zealand, but they might be giving
you a parasite in your brain yep.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Absolutely, Oh wait under an eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you want to get in the
Q Early Andrew is standing by New Sport and weather
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Speaker 1 (40:01):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
It'd be good afternoon to you. Sex Pass two. Great
to have your company as always. Just before we move
on to have a chat about cats and health issues
with actually owning cats in New Zealand. Just a question
for you, Matt. I've Pepper, our dog, beautiful dog. She
is in doggy daycare for the first time today, so

(40:27):
it's called the Dog Club in z They are very
good people, but they post up little stories on their Instagram,
so I can you've probably see me just you know,
checking in on see how Pepper's going. And it turns
out she's a bit of a loser. She's always in
the back just looking MOPy, miserable. She's not getting involved.
I mean, look how much fun they haven't they just
there's water sports, there's tug doggie doggie, tugger war I

(40:52):
suppose that's what you call. And she's just hanging back.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, we see what happens, Tyler is that a dog,
a pet will often imitate the personality traits of their
parent in USKSU. So you said that your dog's a
bit of a loser's not getting involved, she's hanging back,
and she's a bit of a loser. So often you
start to you know, you look like your pet, and
your pet startsack like you.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
So it's kind of like in this radio show, whenever
there's a picture of us, you're sort of hanging back,
kind of not having any fun.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, I'm in there tugging things with my teeth and
running around the room, having a great time.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Jumping through the water fountain. You know, you're lotionalizing exactly,
all right, noted? Yeah maybe yeah, maybe just Peep is
too much like me. But anyway, I'll update.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
You is I was earlier early this morning hanging out
with the PM. Where were you? You're at the back
looking miserable. I was having a good chat with the
PM out in the office.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
I saw, you know, I saw you guys having a
tug of war as well, and I thought, I just
don't want to get involved in that. But right onto
this topic, which is going to be interesting. You saw
this over the weekend and it blew your minds.

Speaker 17 (41:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
So, an estimated forty thousand New Zealanders are affected by
ocular toxi plasmosis, with ten thousand facing serious vision damage.
That's in New Zealand. That is phenomenal. Do you know
what toxi plasma osises?

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Tell me?

Speaker 2 (42:09):
It's a parasite that loves cats species and so in
the parasite can lay dormant for years when it gets
inside you. In New Zealand has one of the highest
in fiction rates globally. We've got a whole heap of
cats and Antiger Lab has been studying the parasites in
twenty thirty three, but it stopped in twenty twenty three

(42:31):
actually due to a lack of funding. But boy, oh boy,
and it doesn't just miss humans up it can wildlife
and livestock, including kiwis. It'll get dolphins, It'll get dolphins.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
How does it get a dolphins?

Speaker 2 (42:44):
I don't know. It's heading out to sea and it's
getting dolphins, those porn dolphins and sheep.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
You'd expect the dolphin to be safe, but no.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
But that is a crazy risk from cats. So cats,
you know, lovely, I guess arguably. But if there's that
many people forty thousand New Zealander's surely one hundred and
eighty ten. Have you run into toxic plasmosis in your

(43:12):
life and it does terrible things, not only to can
mess up your vision, it can also do terrible things
to your brain because part of toxy plasmosis, the parasite is,
part of its life cycle, is to get mice to
go crazy and run out and take risks so cats
can eat them and complete the circle of its life.
So the you know, the idea of it, this parasite

(43:35):
is to make you go completely crazy. Anyway, a mouse
will go crazier quicker than a human, but still it's
quite an amazing thing.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
And so at that point, so then the cat eats
the mouse with this parasite, and then humans can get
it through cat feces.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, that's right. So you know, if you're running a
litter box, or you know, you're in the garden and
your cat's been doing a lot in there, and your
gardening and your bare hands, there's a number of ways
that you can get it. I'm you know, often what
can happen is that you know a kid might be
playing in a sampit you don't know that the neighbors
cats have been absolutely unleashing in there. There's a lot

(44:14):
of ways you can get it. But yeah, as I say,
if the numbers are forty thousand, then boy boy, oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty have you had experiences with it?
There'll be people out there that are struggling with the
effects of toxi plasmosis. Is it time to just give
up on cats?

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:33):
I mean Gareth Morgan famously received a lot of feedback
on his claims that we shouldn't be letting cats run
a muck eating all our wildlife. But even if they're
not eating native birds, they might just be filling you
full of parasites that can cause long term scarring to

(44:54):
the writtner, resulting in a permanent vision.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Loss coming after your eyesight. Yes, I love to hear
from you hundreds or is.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
This just hysterical worry making?

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, if you're a cat owner, how do you feel
about this study? I imagine there'll be a lot of
people saying just that that they are so in love
with their little pussy cats that they will say, no,
this study doesn't mean anything. It's not going to change
my behavior. I wouldn't think twice about having several more
cats in my household.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Is it fearmongering to say ten thousand New Zealanders may
have lost vision sometimes permanently. May is interesting word in
this article. Whenever I see may, it's not definite because
of toxi plasmosis. And he's made of forty thousand people
are frick goodbye?

Speaker 16 (45:37):
It all right?

Speaker 3 (45:37):
And just to follow up question on the little box situation,
because that's clearly a major risk here with this particular parasite.
Unless you're in an apartment, who is actually running little boxes?
That blows my mind. I mean, I've never owned a
cat personally. We've had cats in our family before.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
You've got to train the cats mate with the kittens.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah, but once it's an adult, then it goes outside.
It's good to go, it's toilet trained. But I know
a lot of people that keep that little box for life.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Why if my dog collinsast think because I leave the
radio at home to keep company. Who can hear me talking?

Speaker 7 (46:10):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Where the cat's gone? Where are the cats? Get can
go and get out your dog door and make sure
no cats come into our yard and bloody leave a
bunch of toxi plasmosis lying around.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
All right, love to chat with you on this one.
I'll wait one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're a
cat lover, does it start to change your mind? It
is thirteen pas two.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 18 (46:36):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Very good afternoon to you. It is quarter past two
and we're talking about this Paris sites that fix cats
and then they can pass it on to human beings,
but astonishing numbers. To University of Otago researchers have estimated
forty thousand people could be affected by this ocular texso plasmosis.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
And ten thousand may have had their vision appeared by it,
scarring on the retina. Tony says, personally, I think cat
owners deserve whatever they get. Don't have a cat, and
you won't get this rotten paris and your eyeballs. Thanks
Tony for that empathetic response.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Well that's it. There has a very big part of that.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
That person's calling bs on my description of this toxy
plasmosis lifestyle, saying most cats won't eat a mouse unless
you starve them, which is interesting. But look, I think
that's that. You know, it's not one hundred percent successful
with the toxic plasmosis, but that's its plan. Gets into
the mice's brain and gets it to go crazy and

(47:37):
run out into the middle of the room. In the
mouse eats it and does the full circle. But you know,
humans aren't even part of the cycle. The toxic plasmosis
parasite does not even care about humans. But it's just
getting into us because we've got just so many cats
in New Zealand and forty percent of households in New
Zealand have a cat in it. Rick, your thoughts on

(47:57):
toxic plasmosis, I.

Speaker 13 (48:01):
Think, from my point of view, is much more that
toxosmosis can do. It seeks the human rights. Forty to
sixty percent of the world population has us in their brain. Really,
it's not just it's not just oculo. There's other impacts.
Like studies have shahn that people that have car crashes,
for example, there is a higher incidence of the driver

(48:23):
having toxoplasmosis. So it does have an impact on humans
and it can be catastrophic. You know, I think we
take this a little lightly. And you know the cat,
the humble cat. I love cats, but at the end
of the day, they do represent to threes and we
should be real about it. Our kids that go into
the garden and go gardening, they need to wash their hands,
they need to wear gloves and what have you. There

(48:44):
is much more to it than just the eyeball.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
That's really interesting. So when I read about what the
powasite does to mice, it makes part of their brain
that is risk averse, shuts it down. Yeah, so is
that what's happening to humans? Because I mean, mice are
very different from us, but they are mammals. There's a
lot of similarities as well. So is that is that
the theory that it affects our risk taking?

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (49:11):
Absolutely, there's studies that show it's proven that you're more
likely to have it if you're in a serious curre accident. Wow,
you've got to join the dots yourself. That's my understanding.
I've done a little bit of reading about it.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (49:24):
Secondary to that, if you're a schizophrenic, more likely to
have topsy pasmosis.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (49:29):
So you know there's definitely connections that's doing something pretty
weird in the human brain.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Wow, can you. I mean, so it's just sort of
this thing that's happening, sort of an underlying parasite that's
doing terrible stuff to humans. Boy, that that is really
something something to think about. So in your research, what
is the best way to avoid it? Because it comes
through cat species, and I think where we as humans

(49:55):
we naturally avoid it. I mean, it's the most disgusting
of all the animal leavings out there. We absolutely try
and avoid it. But you're saying in the garden as
a way that people interact with it, because of course
cats are going and g gardens. They don't do it
out in the open like dogs do.

Speaker 13 (50:12):
Yeah, that's right. Like I think you have to know
one here. You mentioned sandpits, gardens, and it's kids, adults,
a kiva. Hopefully they know to wash their hands, kids,
help out in the garden. Pick your nose game over,
They got it.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
I mean, we are pretty cavalier when it comes to
how we treat you know, the interactions we have with
our pets when it comes to health, aren't we really,
That's that's the bottom of it. In this case, it's
cats and cat poo and having a cat crawl all
over you, cuddle up to you, you know, with and
let's be frank, here a bit of a bit of
feces that might get onto the human being. Yeah, I

(50:47):
mean I could say it's very easy, but what you're
saying here, the easy way to get around this is
just to wash your hands and if you touch your
dirty old cat, make sure that you're smart about it.

Speaker 14 (50:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (50:57):
Well, yeah, I think being smart, but look, I'm no experts.
It's just common sense.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Yeah. Well I think if you call Rick, I mean,
the cats could do their bit and cover up their
dirty bits. Yeah, we've got that tail straight in the air.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, what's that about it?

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I mean the show offs, it's a totally different issue.
But you know, as Rick saying it, I'm just reading here. Worldwide,
up to one and three people are infected by toxi
plasmosis by the parasite, but rates could be even higher.
There was a study that sees forty three percent of
people in the way cattle are affected have it in
their system. So it's not always it's not always harming

(51:30):
you or manifesting or well obviously harming you and such
as you know, damaging you at retina but doesn't that
freak you out a little bit? I mean, we're full
of parasites that we don't know about. Were full of
bacteria and parasites, and it's part of the whole ecosystem
of being a human. But if one of them can
make you go completely crazy.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yeah, it seems like a hell of a roll of
the dice. But that forty three percent would line up
pretty close to your stat that forty percent of households
have cats.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, but in all accidents, and also my belief that
people in the way ketto don't wash their hands as much.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Yeah, this ticks here. You guys are just anti cat lovers.
They are cleaner the most humans.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Well I don't know. Yeah, but how do they clean themselves?
It's with their tongue. If you saw a human clean
themselves the way cat cleans themselves, you would not say
that's a clean person. If Tyler was over there in
the corner with his tail in the air, hunched over,
I would not go that's a clean person.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
No, thank you very much for that tix though it
is twenty one buzz too beat Free.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Shortly Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight
on us talks'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
We are chatting about this toxoh players, mosis.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, finally you Sai, right, Tyler, it's toso, not toxi.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Matt, it's toxo, not toxy players, Moses. Toxy kind of
rolls off the tongue, that toxic toxy toso.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
But we've got to get these things right because we're
trying to alarm people about it. We're scared monitoring here
if we've got to get the name of it right.
So this text and we should get to the bottom
of this, But can you get a test for toxo
pleasmos Well.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Hopefully we're going to have a chat to the professor,
one of the lead authors of the study at Otago University,
So we'll certainly put that question to them if we
get them on the program. Guys, what about dog people,
They let dogs lick after dog has had a we
and more ticking time bomb there. Yeah, they don't carry

(53:30):
the study parasite here.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
They don't have the brain parasites. They don't have the
brain worm.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
No one said dogs were clean, They just don't have
the study parasites.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Anyone that says dogs clean is going to lose that
argument pretty quickly. Yeah, dogs are disgusting.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Call, Hailey, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
You got cats, I shall do.

Speaker 10 (53:47):
I got two.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
What are their names?

Speaker 10 (53:50):
Tahoy and Pitty adult thank you, the adult cats. And
I currently have a little box for them because I
lock them in at night, so they they're out gallivanting
during the day doing whatever cats do, and then they
come in for dinner at night and I lock them
in and then I allowed to go back out to
have a cat box, a little box, sorry, you know,

(54:11):
just in case they need to do whatever during the night.
And I just I just cleaned the little box every
morning with complete.

Speaker 9 (54:18):
Disregard for my house. I've never I've never heard of
this disgusting little parasite priory today.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Are you worried about it now? Hailey wear glasses?

Speaker 3 (54:28):
So right, right?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Do you find yourself taking crazy risks?

Speaker 10 (54:34):
I mean yeah, I get I am a book.

Speaker 9 (54:36):
I mean yeah, I guess I feel like I.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Am like brain.

Speaker 10 (54:41):
You know, I'm not reserved.

Speaker 14 (54:43):
I would probably wow the word.

Speaker 9 (54:46):
But yeah, I mean I'm happy to clean the little box.
And I've never really thought about it. I just love
my cats, and you know, I just think as an
extension of my family. You know, I would clean clean
up after anyone that you know needed it in my
family as well. So yeah, I don't really sort of
think of them as you know, some dirty parasite burdening,
you know, members of my family.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
You need to change that attitude the whole over parasite
infective monsters that are trying to trying to get stuck
into your brain, Hailey. But it's interesting.

Speaker 10 (55:14):
I mean, I'm pretty sure cat who was slapping me
awake this morning because you know, it was desperate to
get out.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
So yeah, well it's interesting that you know, you say
you run the little box at night. It's quite real.
Like the way we run cats in New Zealand. Free
range is quite rare for other countries. So I was
staying with my friends in the States. You're definitely not
in Canada and winter. You don't let your cats out
of us, you'll have a cat catsicle pretty quickly.

Speaker 9 (55:39):
Yeah, I mean I locked them in for two things,
the safety for themselves, but also to try and do
my bit for the wild. You know, they're hunting times
at dusk and dawn generally, so I try and have
them inside at those times so they're not I mean,
they hunt all the time, but I'm trying to do
my bit, you know, to sort of preserve the wildlife
around here by locking them in at night and keeping

(56:00):
them safer as well.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Got a little bell on you got people, got a
little bell on them?

Speaker 9 (56:04):
No, no, but it is something that I do want
to do with my new cats. Is from a very
small age, have them used to having a collar on,
which is something I didn't do with these cats, because yeah,
that is important as well, But.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
There's a way of diligence. I think the bell actually
drives the cats crazy and it's not very nice for them.
But aparently there's another thing you can do. I forget
what it is now, ill look it up that that
doesn't punish the cat but warns the birds, you.

Speaker 9 (56:29):
Know, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that makes sense. I
mean I live in a new development, so there's actually
not a lot of bird life around here. That's all
being scared away by the forty thousand houses that they
put up in the area. We're quite safe, but I'm
sure you could probably find a couple of cr crazy
mice somewhere so.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Well, get yourself some gloves with the little box, and
I'm sure you do. You sound like the kind of
person that washes their hands, but you know, keep that.

Speaker 9 (56:54):
Yeah, I'm vigilant. I'm vigilant with washing my hands, especially
after the little Box situation. But yeah, I didn't even
know about that parasite thing. I mean I did when
I was pregnant. You know, you have to stay away from,
you know, the little box because it's like common sense, and.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I mean cat leavings a heinous at the best of
the time, before you even bring in topso plesmosis.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Biological warfare, al your roll in the dice.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Yeah, and our final question for you that as your
cat named after Petty whoop whoopoo.

Speaker 10 (57:25):
Everyone everyone says that.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
But yeah, I'm going to say, yes, oh well lovely, Yeah, boy?
How good was see in twenty eleven?

Speaker 17 (57:32):
Boy?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Thank god? And then no good not long after that?

Speaker 9 (57:37):
All right, good bye.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Guy, you're just on pretty. You know he's a fantastic player.
But he put it on about afterwards, doesn't he.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
He certainly did. I mean, there's four thousand texts of
saying it's not the it's not eight hundred fat shame
pregnant woman have to watch out handling cats. Yeah, there's
a lot of people that are texting that through. So
there is tests that you can can get blood tests
to look into whether you have it if you're worried
about it. And I think it looks for antibodies. But

(58:08):
we'll get closer to that, and we're trying to actually
get hold of an expert in the field to talk
about it before the end of the hour.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Yep oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number
to call those keen to hear from you. Does this
makes you rethink cat ownership? Keendy here from you.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
It is, and we're going to talk to someone who
has suffered from toxoplasmosa for most of their life.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
This will be go twenty nine past two.

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Now back to matt Ethan Tyler. Adams don't all my cats.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
I don't not like cats. I just prefer dogs.

Speaker 10 (59:58):
I mean I'm just more of a dog kind of
you know, co home, wagging little tails, happy to see you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
That assurance to you.

Speaker 16 (01:00:09):
You prefer an emotionally shallow animal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
You see Greg When you yellow.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
The dog, his terror will go between his legs and
cover his chanitills, his ears will go down.

Speaker 11 (01:00:21):
The dog is very easy to break, but cats make
your work for their affection. They don't sell out the
way dogs do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Huh so a great movie. Meet the Parents. The stixster says, Hey, guys,
cats would be best to be let out at night,
as birds are not around at night. She is Brian, Hello,
the Kiwi has joined the Jat kiwis are out at
night most, I mean they can get checks, but kee's

(01:00:49):
I don't know'd be interesting to see your average domestic
cat v Kiwi.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
So a solid unit at an adult key, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Yeah? Yeah, they've got they've got good talons. Yeah yeah.
My daughter was born with toxoplasmosis. Now in her forties,
married with three kids and living overseas. She was born
blind in one eye. At eight months old, she developed
water on the brain and had a shunt install She
has had many brain operations since due to the shunt
not working properly. I don't remember having a little box

(01:01:15):
in the house. The toxoplasmosis would have started while she
was in the womb. Far Ah, thanks for that text.
Andro you've suffered from toxoplasmosis.

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
I have, yes, yep, with vision problems associated within your
last texture was right. Newborn baby Unborn babies are the
ones that get it because as adults were actually immune
to toxo plasmosis, but not unborn babies. And I'll be
interesting to hear your conversation with the professor when he
comes on, because obviously I've got an inquiring mind, so

(01:01:49):
I like to sort of know what's been attacking me
all my life. So I'll let you know. I'll let
you know how it transpired. Probably had my first attack
of it when I was say, ten years old, in
one of my eyes, and it causes allsions on the restner,
and those lesions erupted puffs into the eyeball of your eye,
so that effectively you end up looking through the bottom

(01:02:11):
of a jam jar oh man for six weeks until
it eventually goes away. I suppose you could liken it
to about of the flu or a common cold or something.
It runs, of course, but it'll sit there and it'll
wait till the next time, and it'll come back at you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
And I've had it probably thirty or forty times. I
haven't had it for the last ten years because my
eyes specialist said that sometimes it would burn itself out
and never come back. So I've got my fingers crossed
that that happens. But look, I tell you there's a
lot of people out there that it get it a
lot worse than I do, because the lesions, if they
attack your central vision in the middle of your eye,

(01:02:48):
then you're blind, because you know that's.

Speaker 17 (01:02:50):
The end of it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:51):
Likely the lesions are in my peripheral and basically it's
only in one eye, so my other eye can sort
of compensate for it. But yeah, no, it's a faithless thing.
It's actually really depressing when you get it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yeah, I bet. And is there no way there's not
a not a not a medicine that can be taken
that rids you of it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
No, not ever. You see, the thing is it's already dead.
The parasite's dead. You've ed. You entered your body when
you were before you were born, and lodged itself in
your eye and it died. Well while your will, your
body sort of reacted and formed a what they call
a reactive reaction. It's a reaction. I'm sounding like Donald

(01:03:35):
Trump here, it's a reaction to it, and your body
remembers it. And whenever you get say if you get
say dust in your eye, or I'll go to watch
out for dust getting a eye because my iye will think,
oh shit, I'm being attacked by this parasite again, and
then go into speed.

Speaker 14 (01:03:52):
That's what happens.

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
So the parasite is called Metacondi Gondi eye. It's a
very minute, very minute parasite, so tiny that you'll never
see it with the naked eye. It's it's a microscopic thing.
It's in the rodent cycle. It's in cats, rats and birds.
Cats eat rats, cats eat birds, birds eat rats, and
it's in their feces. So gardening is also something a new,

(01:04:16):
more pregnant woman should watch out for because if there's
some you catch it in the garden, then they can
ingest it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
So have you looked into because it it doesn't ever
know It sounds like you've had this thing dead, this
dead parasite, which sounds like totally punishing situation. But you
haven't experienced any of the you know that talked about
mental effects of it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
Have you no, not at all. But having said that,
it also was known to cause schizophrenia.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah, right, And my brother was schizophrenic, all right, and he.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
May have been exposed to it as well or before
he was born, because we you know, it's no fault
of my mother or any of my parents, because they
didn't know anything about this back in the nineteen sixties
and nineteen fifties, you know, Yeah, it was nobody. Nobody
had the knowledge that they've got now, yeah, you know,
and it's only been in recent years that people have
sort of said, you know, keep away from cats when

(01:05:13):
you're pregnant, more so, keep away from their pieces as
much as you can. But yet nobody really knew back
in those days, so that you know, farmers were always
out there scraping the rat pools off the deck and
stuff like that, and you know, and there were always
birds around and were kids. You know, children have an
immunity to it, they can, but unborn babies don't. And

(01:05:35):
that's that's when it gets them, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
And so when when it comes to the mental side
of it, looking for a better word there, when it
fixed something in your brain, is that a parasite did
then as well? Or is that the result of an
active parasite?

Speaker 6 (01:05:52):
Well, you need to talk to your will they never
active belong dead. I mean they're probably only alive for
a fraction of a second, but it's enough time to
program your body to it your immune system and yeah,
same as how people get malaria.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
And so did you get to for it? How did
that start? So what symptoms were you're experiencing before you
went to the doctors and they figured out it was
this parasite?

Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
Yeah, well they my I specialists knew exactly what it was.
And there's a lot of people in New Zealand with it.
So people listen to the radio right now can relate
to this conversation, I'm sure, and there'll be blind people
out there that can relate to it too. So it
is the leading cause of blindness in the world. Yeah,
you know, been poking your eyeball out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
It's funny how little a lot of us know about it,
considering how massive a deal it is. You know, forty
thousand people affect with it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Yeah, hey, well you know it's forty.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Thousand people showing symptoms, like, not just forty thousand, like
the number of people that have been infected by a
phenomenal Yeah, but as you say, we will, we will
we will. We're trying to get the professor on to
discuss this.

Speaker 6 (01:06:57):
Yeah, and right, he'll tell you the nerdy g ready.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Yeah yeah, we'll punish them with our technical questions. But hey,
thank you so much, Andrew. And you live in Topor,
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
That's great when I'm when I'm fine, it is, and
my vision is fine. I mean, I can see perfectly well.
I can drive perfectly well. And that's only because the
the lesions are in my peripheral. In the inside of
my peripher my other eye overlaps it, but my other
eye actually compensates for the for the dead area in
my peripheral which is caused by the by the lesions.

(01:07:30):
When I do get the lesions, they fire horrible antibiotics,
the strongest antibiotics apparent. You can get and and steroids
as well, both antibolic and drops. And it will go
away in about four weeks. It'll it'll clear up in
four weeks and then all the muck and everything in
the eye sort of goes away, and then you can
and then it's like it's like somebody's taken a rag

(01:07:53):
and wipe the inside of the windshield of a car
so that you can actually see through it again and
in that time I can't drive.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, Andrew,
and hopefully that does not come back. It's been away
for ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
But it's terrizing, isn't so really terrifying?

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
She's born with this parasite. Parasite dies and then you
have to deal with the results. Ever, so we need
to kill all rodents and cats too. Yep. Wow, someone
says all cats should be eliminated immediately. I mean, it's
not really the point we're trying to get across here.
We're not trying to start anti cat sentiment in the community.
We're just probably trying to suggest maybe wash your hands

(01:08:29):
after you've cleaned out a litter box, and if you're pregnant,
be careful in you're gardening.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Yeah, maybe wear some gloves.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Rather than setting up cat death camps at this stage
at the stage, but we'll look into it if things
get worse. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Oh, eight, one hundred and eight, ten eighty is the
number to call. It is eighteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Back in a Moth, Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you
as your afternoon rolls on. Mad Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons News TALKSB News Talks HEB.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
We're talking about this fascinating study into a parasite called
ocular toxoplasmosis. Up to forty thousand people in New Zealand
are affected, ten thousand seriously impacted. It's spread by cats
and can cause permanent vision loss. So can you hear
from you if you're rethinking how you deal with your
lovely cats at home? Oh, eight hundred AC ten eighty

(01:09:22):
it is pretty terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Well, we don't want this response. Well, you guys have
put the ships up me now, cat and car now
on his final trip to the vet. I mean, come, Scott,
that's not what we're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Yeah, that's right to the extreme end, Scott. You know,
all we said was just wash your hands and maybe
maybe we're some gloves.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Yeah, we're not fear mongering. We're fear forming, which is
fear mongering and informing at the same time. I'm just
looking here at about we'll look into a lot of
people asking, you know, if you've got a cat, there's
a whatever percentage chance that you have been infected by
the parasite, and whether it's worth looking getting yourself tested.

(01:10:00):
But we need to get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
So we're trying to get the expert on because talking
to Andrew before he was infected, before he was born. Yes,
and as you get older, it would seem you are
a likely to have immunity and it can protect yourself
from it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Yeah, so we need to get to the bottom of
that because there's the story and indicates there was a woman,
Daniel Wilson who got at a new thirty. So whether
she always had it or whether she developed it later on,
but really hoping we can have a chat to who
that professor before the end of this hour. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
I've got two exclusively indoor kitties and twin kids. I've
handled more cat poop than any human alive. Am I
still in existence? I think? So you managed to text,
which is a good sign.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Yeah, so far, so good for you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Jan, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 19 (01:10:48):
Hi, thank you. My doctor got it when she was toddler.
We never had any cats in the house and nobody
we knew had one, but obviously niggbor's cats well sorry
neighbors cats or cats to the area would have come
on to ppacy, but she almost lost the sight into

(01:11:13):
her eye in her early twenties because the retina started
to detach. And luckily she happened to have an appointment
with a specialist on the day and he said, you've
got two choices. You either hospital tonight or be the
assistant tomorrow morning. And she said, on a y, I'll

(01:11:37):
be there in the morning. And she said to him,
what if there's an emergency when I get pushed back,
and he said, no, you are the emergency.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Wow.

Speaker 19 (01:11:47):
If we don't do anything, you will lose the sight
in that eye.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Oh, thank goodness. And so at that point did you
know already that toxo plasmosis was that she had it?
Did you know that? Or was that when you found out?

Speaker 19 (01:12:02):
No, we knew she had it. The attacks spot progressively.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Place to get So how did you find out that
she got it? That that she had it?

Speaker 19 (01:12:13):
She hadn't been well and she must have. I think
she had blood tests and showed up there. In some
countries the prenatal blood tests a composory. I think the
UK is one of them. Australia as wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
And is that the only way it manifests in your
daughter with the eye problem. Yes, right, And how is
she doing now?

Speaker 14 (01:12:37):
Jan?

Speaker 19 (01:12:39):
Well, it forced her career change or a change of
thought for Korea, but you know that is what it
is she has to do with that, and luckily she
got his sight.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yeah. Absolutely. So when you say career change, what was
the what was the career that she was in?

Speaker 19 (01:12:57):
She wanted to be in the defense force and she
would have to do officer training and they wouldn't accept
effect that she had almost detachment changed.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Does she still get fleer ups? Sorry, does she still
get fleer ups?

Speaker 19 (01:13:22):
Hasn't had one for a wee wi?

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Okay? Yeah? Because well, Hey, thank you so much and
all the best to you and your daughter. Thank you
very much, Thank you sharing bye.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
I mean that shows how serious this thing is, I mean,
incredibly scary for Jan and her daughter, and thankfully it
appears things are okay. But having to change careers because
of it pretty cruel.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Oh my god, I've I didn't actually have any idea
how full on this is. You can become infected with
toxoplasmosis through the following food borne transmission eating contaminated undercooked
meat or shelfish or unwashed contaminated fresh produce animal to
human transmission accidentally consuming the parasite through contact with cat feces, poop,

(01:14:05):
or contaminated soil that contain ME toxi plasma. Mother to
child mother to child congenital transmission when a newly infected
mother passes infection to their unborn child are the modes
of transmission. Receiving an affected organ transport plant, or infected
blood via transfusion. Over forty million people are infected with
the parasite in the United States alone. Most people with

(01:14:27):
healthy immune systems who get toxic plasmosis do not have symptoms. Yeah, yeah, so,
I mean that's that's that what we were saying before.
With the high percentage of people that are likely infected
with them, most of them will never know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Dormant and stays dormant for most never never experienced it. Y, Yeah,
one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number to call.
It is ten to three beggary surely the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talksby.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Good Afternoon, it is seven to two three, and we've
been talking about this parasite. It is or causes ocular
Tokso plasmosis up to forty thousand New Zealanders impacted by
ten thousand seriously impacted, scared, and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Lots of us have got it but aren't even showing
the Simpsons industry before I was saying that dolphins are
at risk from it, which seemed like a crazy claim
to make, but I am just on the Department of
Conservation site and it says that it is a significant
threat to hectors and Maui dolphins. Cats. Cats are the
only animal in which toxoplasma parasite can sexually reproduce. The

(01:15:34):
parasite creates eggs and the guts of the cats that
are spread into the environment by cat feces, where they
can survive for many months. Rainwater and run off transport
the eggs into streams, rivers, and stormwater drains, as well
as wastewater when cat feces or kitty litter has been
flushed down the toilet. The dolphins can then become infected
when they ingest contaminated water or fish. There is no

(01:15:57):
vaccine available for cats or docks dolphins. Unfortunately, toxoplasma eggs
cannot be treated by standard wastewater treatment, so it says
keep cats and doors. Well doing that, it's cats everywhere
all over our fence.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
How unfair to the Hector's dolphin. You know, they're in
a different environment. They don't expect to have cat feces
infect their little world and get.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Like, I haven't even heard of cats. I've ever seen
one disposed of cat feces in the rubbish spin, not
the toilet. They're like cats hate swimming and they're still
getting us in there. Spey or new to your cat.
Do not abandon unwanted cats or feed feral cats. Support
with wetland conservation, which stops eggs reaching the ocean. Include

(01:16:38):
green spaces in your garden or backguard to help filter
rain water and reduce storm water runoff. That's what they
suggest to try and help the dolphins. Yeah, okay, all
very well with the dolphins, but we've got people that
are dealing with it, like Graham here. You've experienced this parasite, Graham.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
Yeah, I did when I was certain I'm sixty nine
now certain rubbing my right eye before going to school
one morning and couldn't see out my left like it
was blind. So my mother raised me down to the
gpe's office down the road. He looked at it and

(01:17:18):
he said, I can't see anything. Your eye is milky.
It's all milky inside. And he made an appointment at
the hospital for me, and I was taken into the
hospital and they didn't really know what it was, and
they said, we need for it to clear so we
could see. So in a couple of weeks time they

(01:17:43):
I went back in from another appointment and they said
it was this toxoplasmosis. There was something I'd obviously got
from a cat or you know, something to do with
a cat. And when it cleared up properly they could
see through that, they could see my retina detached at
the back of the eye.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
It's horrible. Gram Yeah, boy, we were just run out
of time for there. We'll try and come back to
this after the breaks A hold on the air. Graham, yep, absolutely,
oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you
want to join in on this conversation as well, we'll
pick this back up after three o'clock. And we're still
hoping to have a chat to one of the authors
of this study, doctor francisque March Dribo, so hopefully we'll

(01:18:26):
get them on before the shows done.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
At four o'clock. But oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number four new sport and weather on its way.
Great Devy Company is always You're listening to matt and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Your new homes are instateful and entertaining Talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 16 (01:18:49):
Sebby, Good to you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Welcome back to the show. Seven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Before we get back to toxoplasmosis which is really blowing up,
and we'll bring an expert on the show to answer
any questions you have around that disease that since we're
affecting a lot of New Zealanders that parasite, I should
say I've had an initiative I want to do on
this show because I bought this album by this New
Zealand band called Zoom in the weekend. I bought it
on red vinyl and I've been blasting it. And look,

(01:19:16):
you might have heard of Voom. They've been around for
a very very long time, but they're a band that
moves at are kind of glacial pace, like I think
it's taken two decades basically to make this album. But
you'll know lots of their songs like King Kong and
best great great band, like some of our best songwriters
in the entire country. I was thinking, you know, you
can bring up something and people might hear about it,

(01:19:37):
might not. But I've decided to spend the entire week
talking up this album. I don't get anything from it.
I just felt so excited by listening to this album
that I'm going to finish each show for this week
at the end of this hour and at the end
of every three o'clock hour for the rest of the
week playing a song from Voom. Something good is happening

(01:19:58):
the album and.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
You're lucky, lucky people.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
This isn't even in New Zealand music I understand this
New Zealand Music Month. This isn't even a New Zealand
Music Month initiative. This is just Zoom on read beautiful
red vinyl with this car with a tree going at it.
It's just such a good album. And their previous album
was fantastic as well. It came out a very very
long time ago. But great band.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
You just want to gift the people. You've heard there
some amazing album, amazing songs, so you just want to
help gift a bit of that magic to the listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
They're just such good songwriters. Bus what a legend. They're
just great songwriters and they need to be celebrated. So
I'm going to celebrate them until someone from management comes
in and stops me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
And we're going to lock the door if they try
and do that. But that is a little bit later
at the end of the show, because right now we
are talking about this dirty old parasite that is spread
by cats called oh killer tankso players mosis, and it
is incredibly significant in New Zealand and around the world.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Yeah, that's right, and they made forty thousand New Zealand's
are affected by it, with ten thousand facing serious vision damage.
And we've heard of it a lot of people today.
It can cause lifelong scarring and the rest and are
resulting in permanent vision loss. It's quite full on New
Zealand as one of the highest and fiction rates globally
up to forty three percent in some regions. And you
can be affected by it, but not necessarily manifesting. You're

(01:21:16):
not seeing any symptoms of it. But cat feces are
the main culprit. Graham, we were talking to you before
you first discovered that you had it, when you were thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Yeah, that's right, yeah, yeah, And so where we left
the conversation, Graham, and it had been discovered by your
doctor that you had you rubbed your eye and you
went to the doctor or the optometrist and saw that
milkiness behind the eye. Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 14 (01:21:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
And when it cleared up, they could see that the
retina detached quite badly, and that's why I couldn't see anything.
So they sent me off to a specialist in the
old Harley buildings there by the river, and he decided
that he could repair it by stitching the retina back

(01:22:08):
gone to the inside of the eye. Because I never
had lasers back in those days.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Yeah, well that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
That's some fine needle work.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
Blew me away. Even at thirteen. It was like you
can do that, yeah, you know sort of thing. And
didn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
It didn't work.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
It didn't work. No, it didn't stay attached. No, it
just sort of peeled back off again. That mean to you, Well,
then I had I was completely blind in that eye.
It did the usual things what happens when you when
you go blind, and the eye shrunk and the jelly

(01:22:47):
inside turned to liquid. People goes gray and it looks
out to either to the left or the right. So
when I was seventeen, they decided to take it out.
So they took it out and gave me a plastic one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Wow, right, so plastic not glass?

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
No, well they have my glass. People think it's glass.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
And that does that popping and out Graham like you
put it in every morning.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
Yeah. A lot of people think it's around like a marble,
like a ball, but it's not round. It's it's shape.
It's got to it's got a concave back out at
the back of it's all been taken out because it's
it's a white resin blank and they use oil paints
to paint the color and onto it, the iris and
everything and the purple is all painted and it's a

(01:23:37):
guy at christ Church Hospital has been doing it for
quite a long time. And then they put it back
in a mold and they mold the shape into it
and buff it all up and the way you go.
So I've had that now since I was seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
There and what does it feel like? What does it
feel like in your eye?

Speaker 10 (01:23:54):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
I mean you you don't know it's there, you know?

Speaker 14 (01:23:57):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
I take it. I take it out when I go
swimming right otherwise it can pop out in the water.
I lost it once in the pool in Australia and
they had to close the place down until we found it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Have you have you got? Have you got kids? Graham?

Speaker 8 (01:24:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
No, right, So you can't do that joke around. Someone goes,
I've got my dad's eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
And my kids love it, nieces and nephews and absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Popping it out for them.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Yeah, And how's having vision? How's having vision in just
one eye affected your life?

Speaker 13 (01:24:33):
Graham?

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Oh, I could have joined the Armed Forces, which I
wanted to do. You can't fly a plane or a
helicopter or drive people a passenger vehicle with people. When
I was eighteen, I decided to go to Australia. I
played rugby up until the end, and I played Semi

(01:24:58):
Pro League and Australian Country League until I was thirty
four when I came back here. But it hasn't apart
from the Arms Services, yeah, it hadn't stopped me doing
anything by drive. As long as my right eye is
one hundred percent, I can hold a license. Soon as
I lose one percent of that my right eye bang,

(01:25:20):
goes my license.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
So when you were playing, when you were playing sport,
did the you know, how did that affect your spatial
awareness awareness?

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
Tennis does snooker, does ball? Sports like that with a
racket squash, but playing league, no.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Just run it straight, running up the game.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
I had to make sure when when I was catching
the ball the boy actually came to me. The guys
that I was playing with new didn't bother me, And
then I didn't want it to bother me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
You know you, did it ever pop out in the
head up?

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
No swimming pool swimming?

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Well, thank you for sharing that, so that with us, Graham, you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
Go, not a problem. That's a felthy thing to happen.

Speaker 14 (01:26:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
Yeah, but they went sure back then they thought I
might even been from sheep.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Yeah, just a quick question, Graham. Sorry to row back.
But was it painful dad to have the ridden a
detach and that process? So I'm speaking from a labor.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
I didn't detach, so there was no pain, right, I
just was rubbing my right I couldn't see anything out
of my left eid.

Speaker 7 (01:26:28):
What the hell?

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Yeah, so, yeah, there was a big panic in the family.

Speaker 20 (01:26:33):
That.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Yeah, it sounds off a lot of school don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
It sounds like you've been reasonably philosophical about it across
your life and.

Speaker 11 (01:26:41):
You do you know what you du Yeah, yeah you can.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
One of those philosophy happened.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
You can't spend your whole life angry at a horrible
little parasite. It won't change anything.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
Yeah, otherwise I would have been a mean fella for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Yeah, you definitely sound like you're not a mean fellas.
So thank you so much for you called Graham. Really
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Wow, cheers Graham. I mean, like you, I thought they
were glass eyes. I had no idea it was plastic.
That was interesting.

Speaker 11 (01:27:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Ten eighty is theer to cool.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
The sixer says, Hey, guys, I reckon. We're all living
too cleaner lifestyles. Our immune systems might be better off
if we live a bit more like gramets. Other countries
have low rates of allergies, and it is linked to
high rates of worms and other nasties because their immune
systems are more active dealing with them. Instead of ditching
the grubby animals like cats and dogs, we need to
be more grub and go bear feet to the supermarket.

(01:27:30):
It's a good feeling can't beat it. Cheers Andrew. It
is until you go into some aisles where it's really
cold on your feet. Yeah, you know, the meat aisle
is particularly bad, and beer feet. But I mean they
have said that it's interesting because kids go around and
put a lot of stuff in their mouth and that's
just a natural reaction. We all thought that was really,
really bad, but now they look into it and say
a lot of that is trying to build up the immunities,

(01:27:51):
and that desire to put things in their mouth is
part of the process of getting them used to the
just to the world. Yeah, I mean, if you're pregnant, though,
it's probably a good idea to avoid cat leaving. Yeah,
probably roll their dice, we're gloves when you're gardening, and
definitely wash your and such because a lot of the
problems with this particular parasite happened in the womb.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
Yeah, that was a good text from Andrew, But that
just did feel like a Trojan Rod at the end
that he just wants to go into a supermarket beer
foot without being told off and told to put on
some bloody shoes, and fair enough to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
It did seem like he was running two issues with
that text.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Right at his sixteen past three big very shortly, it's
nineteen past three.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Hi, guys. We used to have a guy at our
golf club who would drop his false eye in his
drink like an ice cube after he'd had a few
for a joke. Used to scare the Bejesus out of me.
It was wrong on so many levels. Cheers, Greg. Let
him have his joke. If he's got a plastic glass
eye or whatever. I mean, you've got to get something
out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
That's one of the small positives of having a plastic
guy or glass eye.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
So the joke I was talking about before was in
the movie Hot Shots with Charlie Sheen, and he goes
at one point when he's walking along a beach talking about,
you know, his father, and he goes, I've even got
my father's eyes, and then he opens that little case.
He's got his father's eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Underrated movie that one. Yeah, Margaret, Yes you've You've had
it for the last six months. This this parasital I
have and I'm just the nearly ninety.

Speaker 20 (01:29:16):
It happened any time. I don't know where I've got
it from a garden, normal life without gloves. I'm still
having treatment. At the moment, I've lost a lot of
the site. I'll tell you what's scary there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
It is, yeah, and so what were the symptoms? Six
months ago?

Speaker 20 (01:29:32):
You started terrific paint of the eye, all the vision problems.
I had seen lines and for everything, you know, my
vision was going. I just take the optician and within
in the hour that had me to the Christi Iconic
in the hospital, and for then I has been treatment
and checking up. The first time I've had the third

(01:29:52):
court course of cortisone and all that prins rend zone
and things as soon as I stopped them started getting
worse again. So on my second batch now and then
go to the connect to myrow to keep you the checkout.
But it has improved. But we thought I've lasted all
at the site known.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
And so that has happened to you. You know roughly
how many times across your life as it fled the
very first time ever, well solay dormant for that long.

Speaker 20 (01:30:20):
Came on, so they could have been recently in the garden.
They didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Wow, how scary.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Oh well, all the best with that, Margaret much anyway,
I've seen us a message, and tell how you tell us,
how you go with your appointment tomorrow?

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
So ninety and she's only just got it six months ago.
I mean, it is pretty scary parasite, this.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
One, I Matt. I had a friend who lost his
eye thanks for slug gun. He ended up with a
glass eye once he took it out and chucked it
in the bottom of our pol You should have heard
the screams you see people with a glass eye of
the practical joke kings of our country. Yeah, they should
be celebrated for their glass eyed gags.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Absolutely, yep. Right, coming up very shortly, we have tracked
down one of the authors of this particular study, doctor
francisque march to Ribaut, So we're going to have a
chat to him after the break. Have you got a question?

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Thank goodness, because we've been feeling around in the dark here.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Well, he nat we'll get some answers. So we're looking
forward to this And if you've got a question for
doctor francisc now is your opportunity. You can text through
nine to ninety two and we'll try to get a
few to him. But he is coming up next. It
is twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred
eighty eighty on youth Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Good afternoon, twenty four past three. So joining us now
is University of a Targo ophthalmologist, doctor Francisk March. He
is one of the authors of the study and joins
us on the line now, very good afternoon, doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Hello doctor, thank you for joining us. Sorry a little
snaffy with the phone there. What exactly is toxoplasmosis and
how do people typically become infected?

Speaker 8 (01:32:09):
It's a parasite that comes mostly from the contact with
the cats, specifically the cats. They have it inside and
they're spreading everywhere through their physis.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Right, And how common is it and people aware of
it when they have it?

Speaker 8 (01:32:28):
There are very good points. It's not common, and we
know that around thirty percent of the people of New
Zealand have been in contact with the parasite, so it's
rather common. And we know that as well, most of
the people are having cats in New Zeale are rather common.
So both things will go together.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
And what symptoms should people look out for? And you
know what that like? What are you what are you
looking out for to see if you've got it?

Speaker 8 (01:32:57):
Most of the people that they get talked to persons.
Is because we say they're rather common for a percent
of the people, they will not realize. Sometimes they can
have like flu similar situation but nothing to especially at work.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
And so why is just to get the bottom of
us because a lot of people that have the symptoms
have got it before, you know, like people talk about
getting it being born with it. Why is toxo it's
most as particularly dangerus during pregnancy and what procaution should
pregnant women.

Speaker 8 (01:33:26):
Take perfect There are very good points, so we know
the pregnant women can be especially susceptible in we can
them in the same way, especially with contact with cuts.
This is especially tricky because there they are communication between
the placenta and this can affect the children and went

(01:33:48):
to some plasm effects newborn. This can be very aggressive
and they can create a lot of trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
Right, So we had a few callers earlier this hour
doctor who said that they got this parasite when they
were still in the womb. Is that is that how
most people get this parasite? Can you get it later
in life? Can it develop when you get a bit
older into adulthood, Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:34:14):
You can get in when your newform. So the situation
comes from your mom, but most likely you will have
it from the barnment that this has come from the
content with the cats.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Right right, and and the parasite is did. Is that
what we're hearing. So when you're when you're experiencing things
with your retener or troubles at that point, as the
parasite long did and the body is still reacting to
it for whatever reason.

Speaker 8 (01:34:38):
Not necessarily the problem is that the problem is the
problem is as difficult to kill the co plasma, and
that's why we have to give treatment for a long time.
And unfortunately we don't have magic solutions. Unfortunately we have
to give a lot of time treatment because we're trying
to have the inflammation and the control. We know that
we can have more than one recurrence of these episodes

(01:34:59):
of inflammation in the eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Right And what about mental health? Because if I've got
this right, part of the life cycle of the parasite,
as you know, gets you know, a rodent will eat
something that gets the parasite and then start doing crazy stuff,
and then the cat will eat the mouse. Does that

(01:35:22):
manifest in humans that it affects our mental health and
makes us behave in strange fashions as it appears to
do in mice being is.

Speaker 8 (01:35:30):
A very interesting research topic and we know, for example,
people have like problems with the monocompression, you know, they
want to depressed, they can be very aggressive. But we
think nowadays that they could have some implications maybe with autism,
with other mental issues that we have in the general

(01:35:50):
community and the general community.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
So doctor, along with your colleague, Professor Bruce Russell, you
have discovered some promising compounds that might help with new treatments.
Is that right?

Speaker 8 (01:36:04):
Yes, that's all right. That's a line of research that
we want to make roles just because it can make
a big difference on the way we treat aqual to
coplus mosives but in general different problems parasites.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Yeah, and as it stands, clearly you've made a application
for a research grant, but that has been turned down
at the stage, is the right, Yes, it's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Okay, So just to finish sharp, thank you so much
for talking us today. Well, what are the best ways
for people to protect themselves from and fiction, especially cat owners?
And if someone is worried that they may have been infected,
what would you suggest they do?

Speaker 8 (01:36:42):
These are very interesting consideration. So the most important is
to be careful with content with the cats agen as
well when the way we cook, be careful with that.
And we are concerned about the situation acutely, just go
to a doctor we know as well. We can have
acual to plus mosives on this cases. Go to a
homologies and see what we have to do. Sometimes we

(01:37:06):
have to give to give treatment tibe. Your picting centers
can be for a few weeks or even months.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Yeah, very interesting. There's just a question that comes through
via a text machine. Doctor. See can you please ask
if a cat defecates in your vigi garden, should you
eat those vegetables? Are they easy to wash or do
you need to throw them away?

Speaker 8 (01:37:29):
It's a little bit difficult to know about the solutions particularly.
I think that I would just try to be as
careful just clining every problem we're in contact, because we
know that the feces of the cats are going to
be everywhere, especially going to be the soil, and if
we have to eat something, just be very careful. Just
just clinic as much as possible to try to point
any risk.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Yeah, all right, well, thank you so much for your time. YEP.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
All the best with your grant going forward. It sounds
like an important research doctor, so all the best and
hopefully you get the money you need to research those
new compounds. That is doctor Francisca March. He is an
ophthalmology can Sultan at Otago University. Very interesting. I mean
it is slightly scary. Yeah, can happen anytime. Just be

(01:38:17):
very careful if you're a cat lover owner or you're
around the feces a bit much.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Yeah, And as I say, if my dog is listening
at home, Colin oft and let's leave the radio on.
Make sure no cat's get into the house. Colin, all right,
get the cat's gone? Where the cats?

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
Where are the cats?

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Where the cat's got the cat? He will be if
he heard that, he'll be running down to his dog
door and running out looking for cat.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
He's a good boy. Is twenty nine to four you
listen to Matt and Tyler back very surely.

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Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So let's have a
chat about doggie bags. From cats to doggie bags. These
are of course, when you go to a restaurant and
you've got a bit of food left over to ask
the waiter or waitress to please doggy bag the rest
of my food up. It is increasing, one business owner.
Restaurant owner believes it's gone from ten to fifteen percent

(01:40:31):
asking for a doggy bag to almost a third of
customers thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
I wonder if that's related to how expensive meals are.
I mean, I would have had a heart attack if
I saw how much I pay, like ten years ago,
how much I pay for steak stay would be forty
eight bucks, fifty bucks. And you're like, oh yeah, and
so if you don't eat all of your meal, maybe
it's more of a financial burden. But I'm like, it's
weak to not eat everything. If you've ordered it, you

(01:40:56):
eat it. If you have been if your eyes have
been big enough to order it, then your stomach should
take It's that's always my belief. I've always pushed back
on my kids trying to doggy bag things. My friend,
my significant others. I just find the whole process humiliating.
You're sort of sitting at the table, you've gone out
to a restaurant, and then it ends and you're like,

(01:41:17):
can you have this in a bag for me? It's
just there's something about it that just seems weak.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Yeah, whereas I love it, I absolutely love it, and
I'll go even as far as if we are dining
with other people and they haven't finished all of their meal,
I'll ask them, I say, hey, do you mind if
I just get that doggy bagged up as well?

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
What do you go round to other tables with your
knife and fork and sit down? If you see someone
leave early and there's someone on the plate, do you
go and eat that as well?

Speaker 13 (01:41:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Well, I don't know. If there's enough letters a scam
you're a scam? No, But I don't know. I've got
a visceral negative reaction to it. It just doesn't seem
right to me. It seems like you've got the order
wrong or I don't know. And some people go feel
like now, I might have it later, But my friends
and loved ones know that I feel like this, and

(01:42:00):
I get trolled. I get trolled, and that people sending
me pictures of the meeting out of their doggie bag
the next day after the restaurant or or And I've
got this particular friend, Liz, who will she will doggy
bag anything. I've seen her doggy bags seven seven chips.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
I like her style. Liz sounds like a good woman.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
And then fried them the next day and bubble and
squeak for breakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Oh eight hundred ten asy doggie bags? Are you someone
there loves to get a doggy bag? If you've been
out to a knife restaurant, see the thing that I
love about it? And you mentioned that beautiful restaurant the
name escapes me. Beautiful restaurant in Auckland and the best
steak that you ever had in your life?

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
Oh yep, and.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
Phenomenal place, phenomenal steak. But just picture this mat that
you didn't quite finish at all, But that was one
of the most beautiful meals that you've ever had in
your life. There's a little bit left over, So then
you turn to the waiter and said, excuse me, can
I just get a doggy bag for that last little
bit of steak? Then you take it home and the
next day it's still in your fridge and you pull
it back out and you hope back into it, and
you get that memory all over again of this most

(01:43:03):
beautiful steak you've ever had in your life, just to
refresh what was a wonderful memory.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
You're talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Badoozy, Yeah, badoozy.

Speaker 13 (01:43:10):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
I eat the entire steak and the meshed potato under
it and whatever past is on the table, because I'm like,
why can't you just eat it until you're done? You've
ordered it, just to eat it. What does it matter
if you eat it now or later?

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
But don't you want to relive that memory the next day?

Speaker 7 (01:43:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
I absolutely do not. There's something so desperate and squirrely
and tight about it, and it's just makes the end
of the meal just so awkward. It's like, hey, thank you,
that meal was great, But can you just have it
in a bag so I can take it home. There's
just something about it that I just don't like. I
don't like it all. I don't like it at all.

(01:43:47):
But I'll go the full hog and I will eat
everything even if I don't like it, so the shift
doesn't feel bad. So if something comes out and I
don't think it's that tasty, I'll either moop, spread it
around my plate or put bits on other people's plates
so no one finds out that I didn't really like it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
Well, that is a fair point. If I'm going to
doggy bag, You're quite right that I've got to get
through at least two thirds, if not more, of the
meal to make sure that the chief doesn't feel bad
about what they've created.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
There's a lot of weak people texting in Meals don't
always come in size you think, and they are bigger
than you think. So yes, take it home. You've paid
for it, scabby.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
See, I think I'm taking one for the team that
if I clear up everybody's plates and just take home
a little doggie bag.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
I agree with this. Sounds like Tyler should be ordering
from the kids menu if he can't handle a full
adults plate. Yeah, but that's true. Actually, but we've all
seen in that movie After Life, you can't order from
the kids.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
So, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty doggie bag?
Is it rude? Disrespectful? Is it just a little bit uncouth?
Or are you all about it? You've paid for the
meal and it's just a nice way to relive the
memory of going out and eating that beautiful food, and
you're actually doing the chef a favor.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
If you want to relive the memory burp in the
uber on the way home. Hey, I agree with Matt.
Don't be a wounded just eat it. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
I'll tell you what chef's listening out there at the moment.
Love to hear from you, I waite hundred eighty ten eighty.
How do you feel about it? Do you think it's
a slap in the face if a customer hasn't eaten
all their meal when they want to take a little
bit out and wait staff as well? Do you tune
your nose up or look down upon people that ask
for a doggie bag? Love to hear from you? I wait,
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? It

(01:45:26):
is nineteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
Beg very surely have a chat with the lads on
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons
news talk, sai'd.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
Be afternoon doggie bags at a restaurant? Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:45:39):
Or no?

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
Is it rude or is it fear play? Love to
hear from you?

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
The stick says, well, Matt, not everyone has a big
slob like you. Some people have class. It's actually manners
in some cultures not to eat all our food. Well,
you can come up with the culture. Will they do anything? Yeah,
some people and some cultures not to eat all of
earlier food. Well, okay, big deal. Not in mine and mine.
Leave a clean plate. That's how you show respect for
the meal, right and shoving it in a bag so

(01:46:06):
you can put it to leave it in the back
of the Fords to rot for six months. I'm not
into it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
Far enough to And a lot of people agree with you, Jesse,
how are you good?

Speaker 5 (01:46:16):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
How are you good? And doggie bags? Are you with
me here? Is it just rude? Is it weak? Or
are you all about the doggy bag?

Speaker 7 (01:46:24):
No?

Speaker 21 (01:46:24):
I fully encourage people to take one. Actually, I think
it's a great idea because not you know, everyone can
finish a meal, and I just like foe costs so
much money. Now, I think if you want to take
it home, I think it's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
What what do you draw the line out? Would you
take soup? Would you allow soup to be ladled into
a bag to take home?

Speaker 21 (01:46:47):
Definitely draw the lineup soup, I would.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
Doggy bag soup Jesse. I'd take the soup homes off.

Speaker 21 (01:46:55):
Oh no, yeah, no, take it home. I think it's great.
We actually went it with a lot of people better
in the older demographic and the cafe that I met,
and we see it a lot. People just can't finish
their meals, but I don't want to waste it, so
they just take it home.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Yeah, look, I'm going I'm not gonna knickle and dime
someone for slipping a little bit of their steak into
their pocket to take it home for their dog.

Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
I wonder whether is that where the word doggy doggy
bag came from leftovers.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
For the pet? If you I mean, that's interesting when
you take like high level food home. Like sometimes I
get a little bit annoyed when there's a really expensive
cut of meat we've bought and everyone's focused on giving
it to the dog, like that dog does not care.
Our dog does not care.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
But I would draw the line. I'm being a little
bit tongue in cheeky. I do love a doggy bag,
don't get me wrong, but I would draw the line
at say, say there is a handful of fries left,
I probably wouldn't doggy bag. That would you see people
doggy bagging just a handful of fries.

Speaker 21 (01:47:57):
No, no, no, don't say that. But certainly, like you know,
half a sand wad or sweets, especially, like people are
aller sweets and they can't eat eat all of that,
so they'll take that. Yeah, but if you had half
a thing, you definitely take that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
I think I don't actually have a problem with pizza.
I think slices of pizza take that home, because it
seems like a delivery food anyway.

Speaker 14 (01:48:22):
Pizza is just yeah, yeah, and that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Actually cold pizza is great, beautiful. But also I don't
necessarily have a problem with someone taking a little bit
of cake home with them either. Yeah, but just slapping
a I know, I fit a cheening into your into
a bag and taking it home to sitt in the
fridge and rot. I don't know. Hey, thank you so
much for you called Jesse. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
Plenty of texts coming through. I think at this stage
it's probably eighty percent in your favor mat against the
doggie back. A lot of people just saying it's straight
up rude, Sharon, what do you reckon?

Speaker 18 (01:48:53):
Good afternoon. Can I have a word with Matt please, I'll.

Speaker 14 (01:49:02):
Good afternoon, Matt, my dear.

Speaker 18 (01:49:04):
When you get to be an older person, you will
realize you can't eat the quantity that they put it
out in the restaurant on the debit pairty much for
us some of us older people now we very discreetly
go and ask for.

Speaker 22 (01:49:18):
A container which would pay for because that's fine, put
it into the container and take it home. Therefore it's
our lunch or whatever the next day. The economics as
well as anything else, and not being wasteful under so
you know, I mean sound like your mother, don't I.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
But it's.

Speaker 18 (01:49:36):
You just can't do it, and I just cannot leave
it on the plate and let it get thrown out.
I think it's wrong, and I have paid for.

Speaker 13 (01:49:43):
It as well.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Now, Sharon, love you and thank you for thank you
for your call. But you can just order off the
entree men, You couldn't you just just you know the
size of tom.

Speaker 18 (01:49:54):
Yeah, well true, my husband and I have actually had
a main meal between the two of us and we
have done.

Speaker 8 (01:50:00):
The entree thing.

Speaker 14 (01:50:01):
I agree with you, you could, but.

Speaker 18 (01:50:02):
Sometimes you might fancy of the main one that's said,
it might not be an entrein meal, so you still
can't you know, and my husband might want something different
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
So you know, that's an interesting thing, Sharon, because I'm
a disgusting peg and I will eat every piece of
food that comes near me, and anyone else that even
even puts their knife and fork down for a second,
I'm reaching over to try and eat this stuff. But
what is the etiquette on next? So can you ask

(01:50:32):
for get a mane and say because people do that,
they get a man and you say, can have two
plates with that? Is that how you do it?

Speaker 16 (01:50:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:50:40):
Yeah, well they don't usually worry about it. I mean
they understand perhaps when we were not the gats and
we'd like to be able to enjoy the whole of
it and just can't eat one house else.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
It's pretty cute. It's pretty cute if you and your husband, though,
push the chairs together and eat off the same plate though.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
That is nice.

Speaker 18 (01:50:57):
Hey, Matt, Matt, we've been married for forty five years.

Speaker 8 (01:51:00):
It is very romantic.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Thank you so much for your call, Sharon.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
One hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.
Doggie Baggs yay or nay? Some great ticks coming through, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Your typical New Zealand Western culture based man, I understand
your hesitation about doggy bags, but in Chinese culture it's
actually a sign of respect to ensure there's plenty of food.
Ordering multiple dishes as part of the experience and taking
leftovers home is perfectly acceptable. It's a way to honor
the chef's effort and continue enjoying the meal later. That's interesting.
So while it might not be your personal preference, it's

(01:51:33):
deeply grained and the etiquette of Chinese culture is that
why when I was in a Chinese restaurant recently, I ordered,
I was by myself, and the amount of food that
came out for me was could have fed twenty five people. Yeah,
and I was like, did you guys not notice it
was only one of me? When you just keep and
it gets embarrassing, more and more stuff coming around. Am
I supposed to shove them in my pockets and take
it home?

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
They were waiting in the wings with the doggy bags
ready to go. Yeah, but that is exactly my point,
well pretty close to my point anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Yeah, I think it's a respectful to the chef, and
to be true, Matt, I am a typical New Zealand
Western based culture based man.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
Based you see one of those base Westerns cultures based me.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
In I'm pretty basic, right. There's a lot of use
of the word base in the opening sentence, so I
put I pulled most of them out when I read
it out.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
Oh, one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number
to call it is ten to four the.

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Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Zbb Jason, you disagree with me, I say, doggie bags
a bit weird. Just eat it? You say, take it
all home?

Speaker 17 (01:52:39):
Oh day long?

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
Hey.

Speaker 17 (01:52:40):
Before we went to that break, then you sort of
touched on what I was going to say. I was thinking,
when did this originate from? And it's definitely for me,
came from the Chinese, you know, smaugas board or yum Cha,
the actual name they use for doggie bags actually called Dalbo.
And I look at it like this, like my trigger
point is if I can actually generate a meal out

(01:53:02):
of what's likely to be just run down the waist disposal,
I think that's my I think that's my cutoff point.
And no different if you pick up, you know, takeaways,
you know, or uber eats whatever. Think of the times
that you've taken that home and you've got, like for
three quarters of a container of pride rice or not
lovely peaking dark. Are you going to throw that down

(01:53:24):
on the way through? You're going to eat it the
next day?

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Yeah? Well, I'm a member of the Clean Plate Club, Jason.
I've signed up member of the Clean Plate Club as
a kid. Although I'd get sent to the kitchen or
my room for doing it, but I'd finish my meal,
lick the plate and put it on the table and
then get kicked off the table for being disgusting. But
I've always believed in eating everything in front of me,
and that has been challenging at Chinese restaurants before. I'm
not going to lie to you, Jason, or I've been

(01:53:47):
put under the pump by huge piles of food, which
are very generous a Chinese restaurants. And I appreciate that you're.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
A finisher though you're not going to give up, you know, quitter.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
No, I'm no quitter now. I'll just keep going, even
if I get taken out by an ambulance, even if
I have to be taken out on a streecher from overeating.
I'll eat all of it. I mean, I'm the same
as you.

Speaker 17 (01:54:04):
I mean, my eyes always beginning the belly, and I'll
always tend to not leave any behind because but then
you've got to look at it, you know, you know
the way you know the stuff they must throw out.
I mean, if you can just generate another meal of
an excellent and the happy, you know, make someone happy,
even if it's not you, surely it's worth the effort
of saying, you know, doggy bag, please know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
Okay, Jason, Well, interesting discussion, I've got to say on
the text machine, probably eighty percenter in your favor, but
there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Well, thank you so much you great New Zealanders for listening.
We've had a great time. Hope you have the met
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