Full Show Podcast: 20 August 2025

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Full Show Podcast number one eight seven for the twentieth
of August twenty twenty five. Very positive show today. I
think you'll come out of this feeling bitter about your life. Yeah, yeah, it's.

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Going to make your buoyant.

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A lot of we accidentally did about two hours on positivity.

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We did, Yeah, started off with councils taking flags, but
a lot of positivity coming through on that.

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That is the Matt and Tyler promise for you every
day and especially today after three o'clock. The self help industry,
when it comes to books, are absolutely booming right now. Many,
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(01:55):
been bigger than in twenty twenty five when it comes
to self help books.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, so there's some that help you, some that don't,
some that are scam some that could be summed up
in two sentences, but they stretch them out into a
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So what are the south Olk Box had actually did
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Speaker 3 (02:12):
Looking forward to that after three o'clock. After two o'clock,
that's going to be an interesting discussion. So this was
after you had a chat with some very successful businessmen.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Mat Yeah, that's right. I was im seeing the New
Zealand CIO Awards last night, and congratulations to Alexandra Smart
from Southern Cross Travel Insurance. She won the CIO of
the Year.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Well done.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
But I was talking to these gentlemen. I won't say
what company they're in or their names. I'll keep them
out of it. But I was having a chat with
them deep into the night night and they would had
lived in New Zealand, both of them for various mouths time,
and then have been overseas and have come back to

(02:53):
New Zealand to try and invest in New Zealand. They
want to see what they can do here in New
Zealand because they're very successful businessman. And they were both
saying two separate conversations that since they came back, they
were surprised at the malaise that's come over the country.
This attitude that seems very very different of it's too hard,

(03:13):
things aren't going great, a tall poppy syndrome that's even
even more powerful than they we left famous tall poppy
syndrome in New Zealand. Yes, said that was all more powerful,
and being back in the country, they were just like
what's happened to New Zealand's mojo? Just hacking people down, complaining,

(03:36):
not getting on with it, all these kind of things.
And I thought that was interesting because I felt this
malaise come over the country. I felt like, we don't
seem to be the same. Go get a space lab zero.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Number eight wire And I know that's a cliche, but
we've long prided ourselves as having to get up and
go and being resourceful and working with what we've got
to kick part on the international stage. But it is,
it just feels like this gloom that has yes.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
And within the country you can always you've got more
of a finger on the pulse of it, so you
can always see the problems of your particular country and
the country they were coming from. They described some problems
there as well. Yeah, but is that the case? And
if it is the case, what can we do about it?
How can we get that? Let's get going, Let's bloody
do it. Let's kick down some doors, let's innovate something,

(04:29):
Let's get some Bruce McLaren type attitude up into this country.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
That's going to be a great chat after two o'clock.
But right now, let's have a chat about councils putting
up hurdles for retailers, So Richmond retailers his rules banning
advertising flags from the street would cut into his revenue
by hundreds of bucks. This is Matt Redwood. He owns
coffee on Queen Street in Richmond. He was on with
Mike Hoskin this morning. Here's a little bit of what
he said.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
We've been in this business five years. Men, my wife
and this filaw came into sixth in November. We never
knew about it until about three weeks ago, just after
the floods. The councilman came down and told us all
the business of their flag.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Are there lots of flags?

Speaker 5 (05:06):
I would probably count twenty.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Do you know it's effective or you think it's effective?

Speaker 5 (05:11):
No. I definitely know it's effective because we opened so
early in the morning's mic and people just tell me
we know you're open because your flag's out. And of
course the other business some people know where they are.
It's taking a lot of money out of our pocket.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Do you have people complain about the flags.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
I've never had a first complain at the flag. Our
footpath him is two and a half meters wide, so
between where my flag sits and where the shop is
two meters gap, so you're virtually walking in the car
doors if you're walking to where the flag the clot.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
When the person comes in from the council, what do
they I mean, what do they call themselves?

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Are they the flag ticket? What are they called?

Speaker 5 (05:41):
First of all, it was the parking warden who had
to issue the first one, so he was the first
port call. And then we had a gentleman come down
from the council who controls the bylaws, and him and
me had caught a heated discussion about it, and I
just thought, what this is? Cost of this money? How
did this come about? And we didn't get confrontation on this.
It was this fight pushed through without nobody knowing.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Did he buy a coffee?

Speaker 5 (06:03):
No he didn't.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Not a prut Right, what are you going to do?

Speaker 5 (06:09):
They tell us we can go up there and reaffly
it be looked at it after six months because there's
an election coming up, and on corner staying with the council,
you can look at this now like we should be
able to get a change now, like not harpen to
sit around and go we can fix this or we
can come to compromise. They just don't want to do anything.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
So there you go. I mean the most egregious part
of that was the council wounded and buy a bloody
coffee and Tucker's flag.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
So shouldn't council has been doing everything they can to
help businesses work. So if you've got a succeeding because
it's got a flag out the front, instead of getting
rid of the flag, you go, oh, that's great. So
flags help businesses, So let's just facilitate a way for
businesses to have flags on the street. Shouldn't that be
the way that a council looks at things?

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
So does your council help your business succeed? Or how
is your council hindering your business's success? Because I mean
that isn't that the whole point of a council and
a CBD in the central part of any given town.
Isn't it to facilitate the businesses such that they can
employ people, such that people have places to go and

(07:19):
so our economy can work. Isn't that one of the
primary jobs of a council?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
You would think, and maybe I'm being naive here, but
the more I think about it, the more I can
see how anti business councils are when you see the
crap that's going up here in Auckland. I know it's
being down in christ huge, but even at the smaller level,
these roadworks operations, they don't give us staff about the
businesses or are going to lose car parks and lose
their foot traffic. And then they're taking flags away as well.

(07:46):
I mean it blows my mind. So they're anti business.
I mean, are they actually doing anything to help businesses
out there?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Do you think that they think that they're helping businesses?
Do you think that they think they're helping businesses by
removing flags? What do you think they're doing? You know,
because you wouldn't sorely surely they're not just some kind
on some crusade. I mean, you couldn't make a plan,
and that would make it harder in a lot of
our cities for businesses to succeed. We're talking about hospital

(08:13):
business here, but a number of businesses, shops, whatever. You
couldn't sit down as an evil cohort to make a
plan to make it worse. But surely they believe in
their hearts they're making it better or trying to make
the place a better place.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, if you can see some rationale with what the
council is doing here in Richmond in the Tasman district.
Love to hear from you. But also if you're a
business out there, how do you feel about your local
council and the by laws? Are they helping you or
are they hindering you? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. So we're talking
about councils and businesses. This is after a Richmond coffee
shop in the Tasman District was told they can't have
their flags out on the street anymore because it's against
the bylaw that they put in about twelve months ago.
But the business owner says nothing wrong with the flag.
It actually brings in a lot of business and shouldn't

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councils be there to assist businesses in a central business district.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, for all those people saying, as someone said, if
the flag and its pole scratched up marks, he's Mike.
Mike's aston Martin, he'd have a different view or worse
if someone got hurt. I mean some how badly can
you get hurt by a little flappy sign that says cafe.
I mean if you're getting hurt by that, then you're
going to be hurt by a whole lot of things.

(09:40):
And the text that sent that through doesn't have any
idea what the flag looks like, no how risky it was,
or how much damage it could do to anything. I
don't think that flag could damage my dog Colin.

Speaker 7 (09:52):
No.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
But also, as has pointed out, the pavement is two
and a half meters wide. Yeah, there's room. So more
of the question is shouldn't the council come and go
oh into the cafe and say is that flag helping
you get business? And you go yeah, okay, Well let's
see if we can find a way that works for
both of us, that we can keep a sign out

(10:13):
on the street that gets business in such a way
that it fulfills you know, what we need and what
you need, as opposed to just taking it away.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, you'd think that would have been a smart strategy
from a council worker.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Wouldn't that be the mentality that would be helpful the sign.
As the guy says, I mean, I don't want to
stat say this is ninety percent of people that come
and come in because of a sign, right yeah, And
that seems like an exaggeration to me to be fair.
But you know he says that they go, oh, okay,
that's interesting. Well, maybe we need to get more signs.
Maybe the council needs to get involved in facilitating these

(10:47):
signs to get people to know where particular cafes, sushi
shops are whatever.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Subsidized signs abs totally. But what do you say, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Craig,
what's your take on this?

Speaker 8 (11:02):
Well, you've answered your own question and away. You mentioned
something at the beginning of the show. Whyse why we
why we lost our mojo? M that cafe article. That's
the reason why we've lost our mojo. We've got that
much bureaucracy. Now, we've got so many people putting more
and more rules on us. There's you know, you said

(11:26):
we like to get bridge mc clowns from that. It
couldn't exist today because they're getting noise complaints and running
up an engine in his garage. We're just so where
you know, through COVID we were encourage to dobbin and
neighbor if they were breaking the rules. You've got you know,

(11:49):
and that council was the flag. It's just another example
of you are only allowed to be encouraged on what
not to do instead of encouraging a bit of foresight
and just.

Speaker 9 (12:01):
Go out there and get it.

Speaker 8 (12:02):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, no, I get I hear what you're saying. And
a lot of Texters baking are backing up there, Craig Bute,
genuine question here. Can you think of what the rationale
would be for the Tasman District Council to say you
can't have flags on the street. And it's not just
the Tasman Council doing this. A lot of councils have
this sort of nonsense going on. But can you understand it?
There must be a rationale. They're not doing it just

(12:25):
to try and shut down business.

Speaker 8 (12:27):
No, there's no rationale. It's somebody that's justifying their bloody
existence so they can get their paypacket and there's no
nationale whatsoever. So if you go to most cities around
the world and that kind of thing. And there's flags,
and there's signs, and there's things. You know, it's in

(12:47):
cardst almost.

Speaker 10 (12:49):
We've just got this syndrome now with it that the
people that lead, they're in control, must control, and there's.

Speaker 11 (13:00):
All it is.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's an interesting idea.

Speaker 12 (13:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
You go home from work after that and you go, oh,
what did you do today, dear? What did you get done? Well?
What I did as I spotted the sign on the
street and it was it was advertising this guy's coffee,
and I took that down and that's what I did today.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Well, or did you buy a coffee?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Was it blocking the street?

Speaker 7 (13:23):
No?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
No, the street was two and a half meters wide,
and yeah, and then she would go, I'm assuming just
sex here, but and she'd go, oh, but you bought
a coffee, didn't you. If you'd done that to a guy,
you'd have to buy a coffee, wouldn't you. No, I
didn't even buy a coffee.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Craig, you're a good man. Thank you very much for
giving us a buzz O eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
James makes a good point. If Hosking is driving, is
esther Martin on the foot path. He deserves sort of,
he gets for those flags.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, he's got to stop there, didn't he? It is
twenty two bars why.

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Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
Breakfast tariffs are fifteen percent worse than places like the
UK and Australia. Of course, the hoper's arms can be
twisted and Todd McClay Trade Minister back with us, what
chance you get something tangible.

Speaker 13 (15:08):
Look, I'm not going there to get the tariffreight off
and that's not going to happen, so I want to
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is one express you know the harm that I think
that's doing to trade. But then secondly, what's the process
for us to have that tariffray come down? If we
move back to the US having a surplus of deficaid,
which actually most of the time our trade has been
in the other direction, our surplus is modest, is five

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hundred million.

Speaker 6 (15:32):
Back Tomorrow at six am the mic hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 3 (15:36):
ZB Afternoon to you. It's twenty five past one. Our
council's helping or hindering business, So one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number two call.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
This guy makes an interesting point high teen the only
reason this guy is getting business is because he's the
only one with the flag. If you allow everyone to
have a flag, will get lost amongst this and his
business will go down. I guess the problem would be,
do you want flags everywhere? That's from Jason. That reminds
me of when Homer made the homomobile and that the

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car when he found his brother and he was talking
about how there's those things that you put on your
aeriels so you can see your car in the parking lot,
and he goes, I can't remember what they're called, but
there's an aerial knob so you can find your car,
and he goes, every car should have one of those.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Begger the better. Yeah, yeah, that was a great episode. Stu,
how are you mate?

Speaker 11 (16:26):
Good? Thanks on the subject of council and their regulations
and by laws.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, yep, I've got.

Speaker 11 (16:34):
The territory hotel would rung up that other show, that's
night show a lot the issues are which had here
three years ago the oldtime was going to be bulldozed down,
and the hotel right on stateh Way too, and we're
here on a rescue mission. I've bought it, freehold, I've

(16:56):
got reserves and we're wanted to make it a charitable
Christian entrance for treblers on the State Highway YEP and
the people of the community. That's supportable. And we've had
no end of trouble from Pardon and district Council rejection
after rejection, making it difficulty. They tried to get us

(17:19):
to get a consultant, which we refused to do, and
then when we did get a consultant, they broke his
heart and he came to us and said, look, I
don't think it's going to be worth doing it, and
so we've taken over doing it all ourselves. We've banned
the council from coming on our property and we're taking
care of everything ourselves and it's going really well.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
How do you do it by yourself to if you're
trying to remove the council, because you've got to get
past the regulations, right.

Speaker 11 (17:47):
Yeah, but the regulations, a lot of them are a
bit of an ass so you have to get around
them more. Otherwise you go to Australia or you or
you just shut down. The thing is, the good things
in this world are being shut down by too much
regulation and too much authoritative people who don't know what
they're doing.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Good luck with that steet. Sounds like a massive headache
trying to get the Tata Tiki hotel up and running.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Here's the opposite side of the argument. I'm a compliance
officer for a council public places by laws has a
rule about signage to limit obstructions on footpaths. Lots of complaints,
especially reflag signers from disabled community. It's balancing act to
keep all parties happy. Yeah, but this is a two
point five meter wide pavement, so it's not blocking anyone.

(18:34):
And I guess our argument is, or what I was
saying before anyway, was shouldn't the council's approach not be
to be rigidly enforcing a by law? But going okay,
there's a flag on the streets, so they've taken the
flag away. So they haven't said to him, look, we
see that. We haven't asked him how it's affecting his business.
We haven't asked if we haven't looked into other solutions

(18:54):
so he can achieve the same goals. They've taken it away.
It's not obstructing the street, but it is breaking a
by law. So shouldn't the councils on a case by
case basis going okay, good, we want to do what
we can, you know, go in there and go, hey,
we want to do what we can to make this
business work. That's why with the council, that's one of
our jobs, right. So this sign is currently outside in

(19:16):
breach of our by laws. So what can we do
to make this work for you?

Speaker 3 (19:20):
They go to you, should we question the by law?

Speaker 5 (19:23):
You know?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah? Or if you come through and you say, use
some common sense and you go, look, this is a
two this is a two and a half meter wide pavement.
It's not going to restrict anyone from getting down the street.
So I'll just walk on by, yep, in the two
point three meter gap that I've got to walk through
the street and just go and solve a real problem

(19:45):
that's happening somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
That would be common sense, wouldn't that. But keen to
hear from you. If you're a business, you're getting much
common sense from your council and compliance officer. Oh eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is another to cool
headlines with Wendy coming up.

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Speaker 3 (21:14):
Thank you very much. Wendy, so our council's hindery NOI
helping city business is a great person to discuss this
with a Simon Bridges. He's the CEO of the Auckland
Chamber of Commerce and joins us on the line. Now Simon,
get out of.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
You, gentlemen.

Speaker 15 (21:27):
First time called a long time listener. It's very exciting
to be on your show where it's my wife will
be listening. She's always listening. I haven't even told her
because I'm confidence she is listening and getting wound up
by whatever it is you ared. Well, I know what
you're talking about. But what you've been talking about, Oh.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
That's great to hear. We've got the We've got well
a lot of the Bridges family online. This is fantastic
for us. So we're just getting the children at school
aren't listening, but you never know.

Speaker 15 (21:56):
I mean he's very educated. They probably learned as much
from this show as being an Auckland Grammar and Drew
other anyway, love.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
It, so do you think Because we're really talking about
the atitude of councils and this falls under your remit
not the particular council we're talking about. But do you
think counsels are business minded? Do you think they go
into interactions with businesses saying how can we facilitate what
will help you do business? Or do you think that
they go into these interactions and say, well, there's a

(22:29):
by law, let's shut this down.

Speaker 15 (22:33):
I think it's complicated in this way. I think the
mayor and the council is, you know, buy and large.
There will be an exception.

Speaker 16 (22:40):
I think they get it right.

Speaker 15 (22:41):
I think if you're talking to them, they say, you
know what, we want to find a solution for you.
We're outcome, folks, We're going to try.

Speaker 17 (22:46):
And do this.

Speaker 15 (22:47):
I think what happens in a lot of councils, and
bearing mind, it's not all their fault, right, I've got
some sympathy for counsels. They've had more and more obligations
placed on them by bi central government. Basically, they can't
do anything right. They're being asked to be all things
from more people, and it's a somewhat broken system. I
think for lots of reasons I could give you, but

(23:08):
what happens is I believe, and I'm not trying to
offend anyone who's listening. There is who's from middle management
and council who shouldn't be listening, by the way, they
should be doing some work. But but but but at
middle management you've got a level of sort of actually
quite powerful, unaccountable officials, not the guys and girls at

(23:29):
the top either either on the on the elected council
of the council. And they want to be enabling, but
I think underneath that and and they will often be
you know, experts in their their little fife team, right,
and and you know, they just I just don't know
that they are service oriented enough that they have enough
empathy sympathy for for business people, which by which we're

(23:50):
not necessarily talking fon terror or spark, right, we're talking
about semes. It's ninety seven percent of our businesses and
and and for which it's really hard, right because time
and cost for them aren't free. They're they're they're they're
they're very significant things. And anything that dealing with counsel
make a long time when it's uncertain, when it's a

(24:11):
bit officious, that that's a real impost on smme.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
You know, in a company, you might have your core
values or the principles of your company. Do you think
they've got those right councils? Do you think they're telling
these middle management people? You know, your job is to
find a way for businesses on an individual interaction level,
find a way for businesses to succeed. So if you
come across a business, they've got a flag on a street,
and this might seem not not the biggest issue in

(24:38):
the world, but I think it goes slightly deep in
that you see a flag on the street, the pavements
two and a half meters wide, You go and you
talk to the guy, and he says, well, that's how
you know this is really helping us survive. Then your
core principle would be instead of I'm taking the flag
away and not even buying a coffee, your core principle
here is how can we make this work for you?

(25:00):
What can we do? Can I spend some time to
maybe secure the flag so it doesn't cause problems for people,
or you know, you know kind of know what I'm saying.

Speaker 15 (25:08):
So yeah, I mean I think seriously, it's it's brilliant
not being in politics, right because I actually haven't read
this story yet, but I'm going to comment on anyway.

Speaker 8 (25:18):
But my vibe.

Speaker 15 (25:19):
But my vibe of it right, and it is a vibe.
And remember I was a lawyer a long time ago.
Just want to put that in their team. I'm surprised
by I would have thought strictly speaking, legally they can
have a by law, but it would be highly challengeable
under the Bill of Rights or something. I just think,
you know, in the end, people have freedoms in this country.
We're not. We're liberal democracy, and I'm sort of surprised

(25:43):
by what I understand the case or the facts of
that to be. And I would have looked counsel, you know,
it needs to be a bit careful.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
In this this kind of area.

Speaker 15 (25:52):
Look to answer your question, No, I don't think in
terms of their values and purposes, counsels are sufficiently service
outcome oriented or business like in the way they approach things.
I will come back to it, though, because lest I
get sort of you know, I'm with the W. Wilson
actually the See of Aukland Council later today, and he's
a really good guy. But less that, you know, he's

(26:14):
here listening to this and criticizing me.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
I mean, what it would say is.

Speaker 15 (26:17):
Just remember councils that they are trying to do so
many things, and the problem with that is, and I
said before, it's a bit of a broken system that
I think they end up not being able to do
a lot that well. And that's I think the government's
actually right to try and get it back to a
more streamlined list where we're actually then, as they said

(26:38):
from the top, you know what, you're going to do
this in a business like, service oriented outcomes focused way.
They could do that, but when they're trying to do rubbish,
water consents and then seventy nine thousand other things, that
that's pretty hopeless.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Well, just to give you the facts in the case
Summon Bridges, they've come through on nine two nine two
on the new newstalks, he'll be text line, which is
the absolute pulpit of truth. Yeah, better than Google. Hi guys,
I live in Nelson and I go to this cafe regularly.
Why path flag they have outside does not impede to
obstruct anyone excellent stuff with great service and food. Council
needs to back off and get a life. And that's

(27:15):
from Wars and I trust was one hundred percent.

Speaker 16 (27:19):
That's important to know.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
One.

Speaker 15 (27:20):
Look, I haven't got the facts entirely and no, no, no,
this is a very important what's on the flag are
we talking about?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
We're talking the reason why we've come to use silent.
It's because because it's it says coffee, it says this
is where you get. It just advertises a stall.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
That clearly should be illegal.

Speaker 15 (27:49):
There, clearly, I mean, good grief, what would they what
were they thinking?

Speaker 16 (27:55):
I mean it's and you just think about the time
and the costs of the first official going out and
then the second, and you just got a sort of
wonder as I say, I the mind boggles and.

Speaker 15 (28:07):
All of this.

Speaker 16 (28:08):
I just it really does.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
And so just if you had complete dictorial power and
you could you could tell counsels what they could do
to help businesses, what would you what would be the
main things you would want businesses to do? How many
councils to do for businesses like this?

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Firstly, I would I would have a bye law coffee.

Speaker 15 (28:28):
Flags everywhere, right, they would just be everywhere exclusively right.
But secondly, and actually, you know, being a bit glib,
I mean all seriousness and this is a bit glib
as well, but you know, I think the main thing
is where they can get out of the way, you know, yes, right,
it's good to have pressure down on that because they

(28:50):
are significant costs for businesses, as much or more than
households actually. And then it's just, you know, when we
are thinking of in all seriousness, I mean this one
and the by law that will be in place here
around the flags and the footpath or whatever it is,
just when they're thinking about their rules, their rags, their
red tape, the green take all manner of things they

(29:10):
do just you know, yet, what's what's the outcome of this?
What are we trying to achieve? Are we doing more
than we need to? Is it going to have unintended consequences?

Speaker 18 (29:20):
What's the cost?

Speaker 15 (29:21):
The time impact on business? I mean, these are the
sort of things that we'd like to see. And then
and then I think, you know, you made a good
point around the purposes and values.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Just if we can.

Speaker 15 (29:30):
Somehow top down, bottom up, have have have counsels that
are very more empathy, more service ethos, more understanding of
business and the time and the cost pressures that are
on them, that it go a long way. I could
give you examples, I won't because it's slightly unprofessional. Right,
I haven't got permission from the people. I'm talking about

(29:52):
but of probably this year dozens of cases and instances
that come to me from business people, smaller and medium
sized business people in Auckland where you know, it's not
that the Council has done anything absolutely terrible, but it's
just it's just slow. Middle management can be a bit arrogant,

(30:12):
it's not solutions oriented and these things can literally put
out of business.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, Simon, really good to chat with you. All the
best for the council meeting this afternoon. That's going to
be interesting for you.

Speaker 15 (30:24):
Brilliant, brilliant. No, look, I'll pass on your regards and
I might just now draft that coffee flags everywhere by law, all.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Right, smart, smart, sir Simon, and see you Natalie and
the kids.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
That is Simon Bridges, the CEO of the Auckland Chamber
of Commerce. But keen to get your view, Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. We've got full lines at the moment.
If you can't get through, keep trying. If you've had
the flag, your flag taken away by some unruly counsel
compliance officer, we want to hear from you. It is
seventeen to two matd.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. It is fourteen
to two.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Matt, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Get a Matt. We're just having some issues with the
phone system there.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
But stain, my phone doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Nothing like a bet of there is.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
We're blaming councils for things not working. My phone doesn't work.
It b but Matt, welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
You could just blame this Matt and that Matt.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
It was some kind of Matt on Matt problem. That
Matt's course from Matt.

Speaker 7 (31:36):
Look, so a couple of points. I drive down that
street at five point thirty six o'clock every morning, and
that sign absolutely stands out and lets you know that
place is open. The Testament District Council spent millions of
dollars reconfiguring that street, and it's so narrow you've got

(31:58):
to look straight ahead. If you start looking to the
side to see who's open and who's not, you're gonna
hit something. And I also, I can stand to be corrected,
and I'm going to have a look tomorrow morning. But
I'm pretty sure that because the council also put on
a huge number of big wide planter boxes down that street,
that that sign is between two planter boxes, so if

(32:20):
you can't hit the sign without hitting the planter box.
So I failed to see how it's going to impede anybody.
That's just that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
I agree that sign needs to be there. It does
them good. I'm sure it does. And the fact that
anyone could say that that is an impediment or is
going to hurt anybody is just ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
And you're stopping there and buy some coffee.

Speaker 7 (32:44):
Mat absolutely good coffee, great coffee, good toasty toasted sandwiches.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (32:51):
What does he have in the toasty.

Speaker 7 (32:54):
Ham and cheese?

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Nice?

Speaker 19 (32:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (32:55):
Good onion?

Speaker 7 (32:56):
Maybe, But I don't have to talk to somebody too closely.
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I'm a big fan of a This is off topic,
but cream caught spicy cream corn toasted sandwich.

Speaker 7 (33:08):
Life is if I want to make my wife happy,
cream corn on Boguls with salt and pepper and tasty cheese.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
All right, your wife has got I was just trying
to wake this out, so she's no. I can't work
about she's got good taste? Well yeah, yeah, And I
was just saying we're both called Matt and we both
like that, but I couldn't do the math on how
that works out.

Speaker 7 (33:29):
You don't want to go too far out.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, I was going to say something in appropriate, but
it's fantastic. And think if you call Matt and you
have a great day.

Speaker 7 (33:37):
You know, big ups to them. Keep the sign, don't
back down.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I'm driving down the street virtually right now on Google Maps,
trying to check out these plunderble and when you see
how skinny that road is, Yeah, look on what you're
saying is checking out. I wasn't doubting you chicking out.

Speaker 7 (33:54):
Why would have matte down a matte.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Exactly? Why would you ring up to tell lies about
Queen Street?

Speaker 7 (34:02):
Yeah, I did say I stand to be corrected, and
I'll kick it out again tomorrow. But I'm pretty sure
that that thing is like right by a big plannderble
that the council put there. So if you hit the
sign or fall over the sign, you're going to hit
a planner box before you.

Speaker 11 (34:15):
Ever do that.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, and that's sort of
the wide point, doesn't it. So maybe you have this this, this,
this by law or whatever, but you look at it
and go, oh nah, it's actually okay. I'm not going
to bother with that when I'll go and do something
else because it seems to be helping this business out
and that that's fine. It's not actually cooling any problem.
It's not completely one hundred percent code, But I think
we'll let that go because it's helping this guy get

(34:36):
some business. And that's how rates.

Speaker 7 (34:40):
It's somebody trying to justify their position and create a
job for themselves. There's no reason for anybody to complain
about that sign. That is someone from the council just
thinking I've got to make myself important. Because if you
look at it, and if you lambs, you've just done
you google that street of street view. There's no way

(35:01):
that sign is ever gonna impede anybody. The road is
so narrow. Next time you guys come to Nelson, because
I think, Hyler, you come here a bit, do you
I do?

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Yeah, I've got family and now some good place, good people.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
Do you drive down Queen Street? Richmond?

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Used to?

Speaker 3 (35:15):
But it is she's pretty busy for Old Richmond, that
Queen street, doesn't it the traffic? And then they got
the bloody what are they bumper bars everywhere?

Speaker 7 (35:22):
And I'm not kidding you. They narrowed it up for
flood protection, so they've sloped the street right down to
the middle, put a drain down. You've basically got a
crawl down there at twenty k's. You can't drive fast
down there, and you can't be looking sideways at who's
open who's not, So that sign is extremely important for
that business. Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
How's them all going? By the way, Richmond More is
still going off? It's good mall that one empty?

Speaker 7 (35:47):
Oh everyone's leaving. The weirdest thing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They say they're doing a big rebrand and they're re
doing everything, but there's places that are just closing down
the front and center. Strangest thing.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Final question, Matt, do you drive a silver toy Yoda?
Read four?

Speaker 18 (36:10):
All right?

Speaker 7 (36:11):
Okay, just fortunately for me, I don't, all right, because.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
There will have been a huge coincidence because that's what
I'm following down Queen Street. Thanks for you cool, Matt.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, great to chat with you. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's nine
to two.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty it's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams. Afternoons NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
News TALKSB. It is six to two plenty of text
on this one. Nineteen nine two is that number high team?
I had to sign outside my property for five years.
About a year ago a group from Auckland Council came
down the road declaring signs illegal and gave us seven
days to remove them or face fines. I decided to
apply for a permit, but now the Council requires approvals
under the Auckland Council Signage by Law, with a fixed

(36:57):
annual fee of one thousand, seven hundred and eighty non refundable.
It feels like there's one rule for businesses and one
rule for the council. During election years, the council and
political groups allowed to put up their signs without going
through this process. Do they also pay the seventeen hundred
dollars per sign? Seems unfair and anty business too many.
Too many decisions are being made by council. People in

(37:19):
the council who have never run a business and don't
understand the impact that there's extra costs have what a
pilava there is. Thank you very much for that, teach Dave.
We've got a couple of minutes. How are you hey,
good mate.

Speaker 17 (37:30):
Hey, a bit of a giggle for you guys on
a Wednesday afternoon about signage.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yep.

Speaker 21 (37:36):
We had a cafe that was on a on off
the main state of course, and we wanted to get
signage sort of down on the main drag so.

Speaker 17 (37:49):
People would turn up the road. And if you if
you go along on the main highways you can you
can see these blue signs that say what's up the road,
like like regional parks and things like that, and I
know them, Hey know that there's a cafe. Is there's
a tea cup on a sign yep, And that's how
you know there's a cafe up there. Well, we went

(38:09):
went and quiet about all this sort of stuff and
how do we get a sign down there? And they
say it's going to cost you a freaking a ship
ton of money.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
So we went down and.

Speaker 17 (38:18):
Had a look at the sign and there was actually
a room enough for a teacup on there, all the
right size. So we went and got a reflective sticker
and stuck it down on there and it was and it.

Speaker 22 (38:32):
Was therefore like for age six months and nothing, you know,
and it cost us nothing.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
And we got people turning up. Oh, we didn't even
know there was a cafe up here.

Speaker 7 (38:42):
But now we do.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
You know, they go chorices.

Speaker 8 (38:44):
Man, that's great.

Speaker 17 (38:45):
And next thing we get a thing from the council
and and they says, well, you can't do that.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
You know, that's legal.

Speaker 18 (38:55):
You can't do that sort of thing. And it's gonna
we're going.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
To find you or you pay the fee.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, well we're out. Yeah, sorry, we're out of time, mate.
But that is fantastic. People should be like you, Dave,
what a great initiative.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
It's the can do key we attitude that we want
to talk about in the next hour. Absolutely, And can
I just say coffee on Queen looks like they do
a fantastic what is this? Oh my god, there's bacon
in there, there's eggs. Looks delicious.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Good people, go check out the flag, buy a coffee
and support them, because that's what we need in this country.

Speaker 11 (39:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
How do we get our mojo back? Have we lost
our mojo? That is coming up I'll wait underd an
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
three two two.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Dogs.

Speaker 11 (39:46):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Very very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.
It is seven past two, and as you heard in
the bulletin, the ocr has been cut by zero point
twenty five basis points as expected. It's now down to
three percent. Good news for a lot of people. But
as we say, it was expected. And we'll be having
a chet to old Brad soon. He's a good man
after three o'clock and break that all down, you like.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I know they were never going to do it, but
how about a bit of juice in the tank, bit
of additive.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Go hard?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, yeah, just go hard, I made they're so worried
about inflation. Just just go hard. We need something to happen.
We need the economy to start paying. We need we
need a bit of like a turbo blast into the economy.
Just risk something.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, yeah, there's fifty basic points.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Let's go.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
But no it's always some bloody conservative you know too late. Oh,
let's not going to we'll go into it with bread.
But we're it's somewhere we're talking about this out but go.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Hard, go hard.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
It's actually kind of what we're talking about this out.
It kind of is yeah, go hard or go home.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Yeah, we are talking about how we get our mojo back.
But you had a big night last night.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, this is this is why I want to talk
about this. So I m c the CIO Awards last night,
and congratulations to Alexandra Smart from Southern Cross Travel Insurance.
She took out the CIO of the Year.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Nice, well done.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
And so I was talking to these I was talking
to these two guys afterwards, and two separate conversations, and
the Kiwis that have been very successful here and then
they've gone overseas and they've been very successful overseas, and
they'd come back to New Zealand and they were just
talking about looking at opportunities to invest in New Zealand.
And both of them separately said the same thing that

(41:30):
the attitude here has changed greatly from what it was
when they left. And these are go getters that have
gone off and been incredibly successful and coming back here,
they said. Both of them used the same word, A
malaise seems to have drifted over New Zealand and overseas.
One of them has been saying overseas they always have

(41:51):
been saying to people back home, there's this can do attitude.
People will find a way to do things. They're going
for it, They multitask whatever that needs to be done.
Everyone will muckin to get it done. In the countries
they are now that they didn't see that kind of attitude,
they didn't see that that sort of famous Kiwi let's
get things done, can do kind of attitude. But they've

(42:11):
come back and they said it seems to have gone.
And I just thought I feel that as well. Living
in New Zealand, I feel like there's a malaise. I
feel there's like a lot of complaining going on and
there's not necessarily a lot of celebration of success going
on across across our country. So is that the case

(42:34):
or is this just you know, wherever you are, whatever
moment in time, you feel like things aren't perfect. Is
this the case that a malaise has come over the country?
And if it is, what can we do about it?
Because if we're going to succeed as a country, we
need to be firing. We're a tiny little country and
we need to be punching about our way, because isn't

(42:54):
that the most of the thing that we get so
proud of when we hear of the rocket labs, the
Sir Peter Jackson's, you know, the people that back in
the day, the Bruce McLaren's, those people that just jump
up and do crazy stuff and bunch above their weight,
and that makes us excited. But you can be that person.
If you can punch up above above your weight anywhere,

(43:14):
definitely anywhere, just in your community and your family and
your and your in your business and your any any
sphere you're in, you can. You can be excellent if
you if you if you have the right attitude right and.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
We always used to have that ability to roll up
our sleeves. Yes, we've had some tough times and some
tough years, but not for this long. It's gone on
for so long, and I agree with you, this gloom
that's kind of settled on the nation. Where is that
number eight y mentality? And say, no, bugger this for
a joke where New Zealander is We're gonna get up
and start kicking ass. But ken you hear from you,
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Call?

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Have we lost our mojo? Is there a malaise that
settled on the country? And if there is, how do
we turn that around?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Really?

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Can you get your thoughts on this one? Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call. It
is eleven past two.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Wow your home of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams.
Afternoons call oh eight hundred eight you talk.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Very good afternoons? It is fourteen past two. Is there
a malayse that settled over the country? And if there is,
how do we turn that around? How do we get
back that famous Kiwi mojo that we used to be
very proud of and I think we're still proud of it.
But no, well, in my opinion anyway, we've certainly lost it.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Here we go. This is texta a malaise, classic chat only.
If you think business success or innovation are important, why
do we need to be pulling our country in that direction?
I have mojo, I haven't innovated. I don't do anything
to make money specifically, that's not how you spell that word.

(44:48):
It's always a business focus with you people. Yeah, well,
I mean, but it wasn't I'm not saying I'm saying
that the malays is across everything. There's a there's and
maybe it's across the entire world. I don't know. Maybe
it's something that social media is doing to us, but
there just feels like a Malay. And I don't think

(45:09):
it's just around innovation and business. I think there's just
a general layer of winginess over everything.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Lack of motivation. Oh one hundred and eighteen eighties and
number to.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Call, Welcome the show, Jude Hi.

Speaker 23 (45:22):
Matt Hi Tyler. Look, they're Malais in this country. I'm
very positive and I feel positive and I go out
and I look at this beautiful country.

Speaker 7 (45:29):
We live in.

Speaker 23 (45:30):
And all you ever hear on the radio now is
this negative, negative, negative. Everyone's moaning about something. And you know,
to be honest, I used to watch TVNZ, but you know,
Mikey Sherman's totally put me off, which she just drives
me nuts with the negativity. And the other thing is
the Herald. You pick the Herald up in the morning

(45:50):
front page. Negative, negative, negative, you know it's I just
get angry because we are so lucky to live in
this country and I've traveled been to Australia. Loved Australia,
but New Zealand is far better and we need to
get up our mojo and start getting people on the radio,
journalists making things positive instead of always dragging the government

(46:12):
down or dragging something down. That's how I feel, you know,
and I think the best way to do it is,
you know, surround yourself with positive people, because honestly, it
does make me angry because New Zealanders never used to
be like that. They always used to be positive and uplifting.
But I personally blame I think I do blame a

(46:32):
lot of it on the journalists and the newspapers and
things today.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
I think there might be an augment, though, Jude, that
what's printed and what comes out in the media is
what people click on, so the negative stuff sells. Maybe
there's something inherently wrong with all of us, and we
could change our mindsets and get more excited and more
focused on and spend our energy clicking and reading things

(47:00):
that are positive, and then that would motivate the change
from below rather than above, if you get what I'm saying.
Because they don't put it, they don't put it, they
don't put out stories because they're not popular. They put
out the stories to be popular, and negative stories seem
to be popular at the moment.

Speaker 23 (47:16):
Well, they probably do because people have found been pushed
down to feeling that way. But you know, I look
at the Herald and I read the front page and
I think, right, turn it over, go to the back page.
Read the all Blacks of one yay makes you positive?
You know, I don't care what it's the All Blacks,
the warriors or wherever they are, anybody that's doing anything good.
And the paper this morning two young men down there

(47:37):
and down the South Island selling whiskey or goodness knows what,
but they're doing really, really well. And that's the sort
of things we want to hear about, not all this crap.
And I can honestly say you two have made when
I listen to the radio, I really enjoy it because
you make things a little bit more buoyant and lighthearted,
and that's what we need. We don't need all this

(47:58):
heavy stuff, you know, I believe that's how I feel.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Anyway, You've made me feel buoyant and lighthearted with you
saying that, Joe, thank you, thank you so much. There
was did the herold did try And they're still doing it,
I believe called on the upp where they started. They
started printing the stories, positive stories about people out there.
I'll be interested to see what the numbers were like
on that.

Speaker 23 (48:21):
Because you know, well up with you read the first
page and that makes you down. Then you go to
the second, third, and fourth, and then someone's done something
and then you probably get to you on the up
on the fifth page. By that time you're so down
that you've got to put yourself up. But anyway, you two,
please keep Honestly, you're just a breath of fresh air,

(48:43):
you really are. And I love Mike in the morning.
I don't listen to a lot of it because he's not,
you know, in the morning, but when I do, he's
on the up and it drives nuts as well.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Well, dude, you're on the app. So thank you so
much for your call.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah, fantastic. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Love to get your thoughts on this.
There's plenty of texts coming through as well.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
That one's whoa whoa.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Seem so that one that was juicy, well.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
The one the one I put up there to read
was a boy that was you see if I read
that that could have been a career end of the
tiler to throw that at you, I really threw met
under the bus there. Did I put that one in?
I think I put that one into, which, just as
Jude is saying, yeah, you guys doing a great job,
I could have.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Just all right. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eight
year is the number to call. It's nineteen past two.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
eighty on news Talk z BE.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
It's twenty two past two.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Hi, guys, I should have seen the lack of malaise
after cyclone. Gabrielle inventions and ideas that were so innovative.
People appearing from nowhere to help, donations, dinner clubs. The
complaints are the loudest as the rest. Just get on
with it, Sam, Yeah, see that. That's an interesting point.
It's kind of that principle of the obstacle is the
is the way, and so sometimes when you have a massive,

(50:10):
you know, a disaster, in that case, people have to
step up and the task ahead of you is very
clear and what you have to do, and then the
really good, strong people step up and make a difference
for people because they know what to do, they know
there's something to do and they can help and they
do it. You kind of get into these situations of
malaise happen where people don't really know how to fight

(50:35):
the good fight.

Speaker 14 (50:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
We say we need to you know, sort New Zealand's
economy out, we need to innovate, we need to do
more stuff, but people don't know which direction to go,
and they don't they're just sort of fathing around looking
for a purpose.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
But they need a leader, right because it can be
contagious in those disaster scenarios. When you've got those people
in the community who step up, that becomes contagious. Can
you think, actually I can help this feller out. I
think that's a big.

Speaker 22 (51:01):
Part of it.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Welcome to the show, Chris. You're from
You are in Australia right now.

Speaker 20 (51:09):
I am in Australia. I'm a kiv calling home And
there's a very big similarity between the two countries at
the moment in terms of how things are going. There's
a lot comparable. But from what I've seen, the mojo
in New Zealand is there. But media they always bring

(51:34):
up like social issues or problems, and they always bring
down the energy and people. If you listen to them,
they report from the bad things a lot more than
they do the good because yes, it's or you know,
it's it's an emergency and this is the problem. But

(51:55):
I think we do need to in the media like
broadcast success stories more because New Zealand is doing so
well in some industry is and it's a minority of
people in the country that aren't doing well. But the
minority of the people are getting the majority of the

(52:17):
coverage and it's up to them and the adult lives
and the abilities.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
To get out of that.

Speaker 20 (52:25):
You can't sit on your bum and say, oh, my
life's bad, But how about you go and do something
about that.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
You know, I did that.

Speaker 20 (52:33):
I moved to Australia, I own my own home of
forty one.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Oh that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't help, That doesn't
help out, That doesn't have help out. Mojo, Chris, can
I have a slice of that when you sell the
good people like you that have mojo.

Speaker 20 (52:47):
Boys gentlemen one of his Cantabrians. So he's just I
did what I had to do to get a hit,
and so that's the mojo and when I retire, I
won't move back home with my money by a cheaper
house and I will spend that money in that economy.

Speaker 18 (53:04):
Will come home.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Well, god on you, but you get what I'm saying though, Chris.
That great for you and good on you, and you've
got to do what you've got to do, and looking
forward to you coming home. But there is a bit
of a problem that some of our brightest and best
like you, that have that ambition and have you know,
a skill set, will will have to go and and

(53:26):
you know express that in Australia, if you see what
I mean, that's kind of part of the problem.

Speaker 20 (53:33):
Yeah, in a way it is, because you know, there's
only so many good jobs, right and then there's the
other ones, and a lot of them are being taken
up by the new immigrants and the new New Yanders
that are coming through. And it's just a part of
the economic cycle that's existed for over one hundred years.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yeah, really, yeah, I mean it's spot on.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
And I think you know, whether it's always been a
part of our psyche a little bit, but there does.
It's more profound now. The people who don't want to
try and make a better situation for themselves and that
is a critical element of getting a head as taking
that personal responsibility. My life is a bit crap at
the moment. What can I do? How can I better myself?

(54:17):
And that's the frustrating part is when people say that
the government's got to bail them out or someone else
is going to help me here, because it's not fair.
Life is not fair. Do something to turn your life around.

Speaker 20 (54:29):
Life is not fair at all. Its never has been
for anyone unless you're the King.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Of England, you know, and and then there was a
good chance you're about to be poisoned or you were
going to die of some horrific Kings of England didn't
have it that great back in the day.

Speaker 20 (54:44):
No, no, but go back to the fact that like
if you're if you feel trapped in a little box
and you can't get a hit, you know, like have
a look out there, like move from say Crossish to Auckland,
you know, as you have and and you know, like
thro seed with your career and development. And that's what

(55:05):
people need to do. And people that are successful, like yourself,
they do these things because they want to better themselves.
And if you're going to sit there and wait for
someone else to give you.

Speaker 18 (55:16):
A hand up.

Speaker 20 (55:16):
You're the ones that are making the statistics for the
government and winging, and that winging in public to other
people drags down the community spirit because you chose not
to do something with your one life you've got m.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yeah, I mean maybe there needs to be more of
a social cost for winging, you know, I reckon it's a.

Speaker 20 (55:39):
Dollar, a fine, a.

Speaker 9 (55:42):
Very pub.

Speaker 20 (55:44):
And it goes into the healthcare, into people and nurses.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Ideas that have got your head in life, chris see,
because I think I think part of the problem with
it is people, you know, you say life is not fair,
and it was the theme to Malcolm in the Middle,
life is not fair. So it's it's all in our heads.
But I think that it's there. It's who you look at.
So you go a lot of people and we talk
about this a lot or Instagram going why don't I

(56:10):
have that Instagram life? But they're not on you know,
looking up the people that have a much worse life them,
or looking at the history of humanity and how bad
it has been to be a human for nearly all
of our existence and how good you actually have it
here ninety nine percent of New Zealanders have it better
than any humans. Basically they have existed for hundreds of

(56:32):
thousands of years of us being humans right on. So
you're just comparing the wrong way. So if you're going
out winging, I mean I always just think, imagine being
sent off to war when you're eighteen. Yeah, you know
all the different times, and that's just in a couple
of generations back from us, definitely, you know, it's you know,
three or four generations back people were being sent off
the war.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
You know it's but even talking about the King of England,
I mean, anybody in this country right now, I can
guarantee you would not trade places with the King of
England two hundred years ago. If you see what they
had to deal with and the conditions, you would say, nah,
bugger that my life is way better than the King
of England two hundred years ago.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
God read history, Read history, and see what happened to
most kings of England. Oh my, oh, my goodness.

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Speaker 3 (58:33):
Thank you very much. Wendy and we are talking about
whether there's a malaise that is settled across the country,
and if that is true, what do we need to
do to get some mojo? That's famous key we mojo
back and start kicking butt again. Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighties a number to call.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Hi, guys. We are the product of what we are
taught and exposed to. The last thirty years, we've had
technology that does all our thinking for us. At the
same time, the use of technology has taken away our
ability to critically think through ideas because we no longer
write them out. We just press the button and it's
all there. Yeah. I mean, I've really sort of studies
about how dumb dogs are getting because they don't solve

(59:10):
any problems. If they want to go out of door,
they go. If they want to be cuddle, go But
if you've given if you give a being an opportunity
to just get everything at once with minimal effort, it
all do it. And you know I've talked about this before.
My dad and his brother can just build anything. They'll
just go and if they need something you know, my
dad's brother, uncle Tim, he built this whole shed and

(59:32):
library and deck at eighty. You know, my dad can
knock up anything.

Speaker 7 (59:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
When I was a kid, he just knocked together. You know,
you go out and he's not together a whole sheep
or shed's knocked together a sheep.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
It's pretty clever if he together a he just went
out there with a hammer and nails.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
The next thing you know, he'd made a sheep. No,
it's shed, you know, there was. And I was a
little more useless than him. And when I said, quite
a lot, maybe we lost seventy percent of functionality from
him to me and then my kids again. And so
if you don't have that, you know, we talk about
the number fencing wire idea. If you don't have that,

(01:00:11):
I can just go and do that. I can just
go and fix that. I can do this, And whatever
realm you're in, then then it's hard to put it
in other realms, if you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Yeah, yeah, because if there's no other choice, you have
to do it. Like your dad, right, there was no
other choice there, you know, to get someone to build
that shed for him, what to cost more money than
he probably had and he thought, I need this shed,
I've got to figure out how to do it. But
that ability to figure those things out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
It's like the Bruce McLaren thing. Right, So it was
really hard to get parts into New Zealand to make
the racing cars he wanted to make, so he had
to come up with brilliant ways to do it, right. Yeah,
and then when he finally got to the UK and
he had more parts, he was incredible. Right. And then
just yesterday I saw Israel Alasania driving down the road
in a McLaren the victory from him just bashing things together,

(01:00:58):
you know, and rap Bruce mcca claren, What a great
New Zealander. But yeah, it's kind of like the obstacle
is the way, isn't it. You know, if you've got
a problem to solve, then then you know what to do.
You know the path. He didn't have parts, so in
you the path. But if your problem's completely solved instantly
by something else, and it's something, going to get worse
with ai, right it is. Yeah, so people are just

(01:01:20):
going to get dumber and dumber and less able to think.
And in that particular task, you can't think about that.
But then you can't, you know, widen that out to
other tasks. You suddenly can't think at all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
It is terrifying, is that?

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
One hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call
Maverick get a good.

Speaker 18 (01:01:40):
May love your conversation lovely awesome, Oh thanks Maverick, And yeah, yeah,
no problem. I'm an immigrant born Kiwi Judge blood born here,
and I'm an author, published author during south Old books,
trying to help one person at a time. It has

(01:02:01):
a time to read my books through their black holes.
And then, as you know, there are plenty out there
that are just suffering and lost hope. And I am
one hundred percent positive all the time. I've banned negative
thoughts out of my mind. They don't exist anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Good man.

Speaker 18 (01:02:20):
I'm seventy two. I'm seventy two going on seventy three,
and I love New Zealand to bits. And we are,
in my opinion, which is the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Only one I have.

Speaker 18 (01:02:35):
In my opinion, New Zealand has got so much potential.
It is an amazing place, so innovative, so clean, not
particularly green, but we're working on it. It's not perfect,
but it's more perfect than just anywhere else in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Yeah, I mean absolutely, and it's definitely a lot better.
You've definitely won the lotto to live here, definitely, you know,
and pure numbers of where people live around the world
and when people are born in time, you know, you
could have been born and if you you know, you
wouldn't want to be born in the year fifteen hundred,

(01:03:13):
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
How lucky you are to be born in New Zealand
and be alive today. Absolutely, statistically, I'm grateful every day, guys.

Speaker 18 (01:03:25):
Well, the fact that I can still wake up and
clean air and go fishing or make a choice about
anything I want to do and not get pinged for
it or so much for it.

Speaker 8 (01:03:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Hey, so Mamberick, you said you're right. Self health book
South South Sorry, self help books. I need help. I
need self help in learning how to talk self help books.
What are some of the titles there, buddy?

Speaker 18 (01:03:51):
My first one was twelve years ago. There is something
that she was filist. Shit happens. It's where you handle
it that matters.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Oh yeah, I've seen that.

Speaker 18 (01:03:59):
That's onime Amazon yep, yep. And then my last book,
Mark one of Mark two were called Got Survived New
Abnormal Host COVID. All right, good My new book and
my new book, which will be out by Christmas, will
be called You at Last, Your very Own Survival Bible.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Good title.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Do you go see? That's a coincidence we're talking to
you now though, because in the next hour we were
planning to talk about what are the good South out books?
What are the ones that actually help you, because you
know some of them, some of them are scams and
some of them are good. So coincidence that you've wrung up, Maverick,
but we appreciate that.

Speaker 18 (01:04:40):
And now on the back of the cover it says,
and Dracket's not one percent of AI involved.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Good man, Yeah, you got it from that right at
the top.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
When I was writing my book, I was thinking how
long I'll be to get this out quickly? Because how
long could it be till someone would just write, just
be able to write it? Just put as a prompt
into AI, it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Was good time in oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It is twenty one
to three.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Your home of afternoon tour mad even Tyler Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty news talks there'd be It is
eighteen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Joe, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this, Yes, I.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Was really pleased to hear that you'd picked up this
topic this afternoon, because I think it's hugely important.

Speaker 11 (01:05:29):
And just in the work I do.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
I think it's probably sort of on the stages of
COVID and into recent times. I've just noticed how overwhelmed
people are, how reluctant to take personal accountability, looking round
to point finger and blame other people. And so, you know,

(01:05:53):
I didn't think I was imagining it. It just the
more I thought about it, the more concerned I became.
So the people that have rung up and spoken about
trying to switch off the negativity and how important it
is to work on our thinking. And I know you
know this stuff because of French.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Book Matt Oh, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
But it's great and I've got clients who love it
because it really does just frame up just how to
dig you away out of a troubled thinking pattern. So
I went off and did some study on a neuroscience
and neurobiologies coaching people how to help them take back

(01:06:37):
control and so and that has been slow, but it
does work, helping people to take action over just sitting
there muddling along.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Do you think that possibly you thought about coming out
of COVID when do you think we got on a
mindset where there was things that were out kind of
outside of our control that were going on. We were
sort of, I guess listen to the government where Mardy coddled,
we're being locked down, we're being looked after. This has
shut down your brain for a while because we've got

(01:07:11):
to deal with this situation right now. Do you think
we sort of came out of that and we were
looking around and going, now what we'd sort of do
you think that? Do you think is that were're saying
that we sort of changed our mindset in that area.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
Yeah, well, I've sort of tried to think about why
have I started packing this up? Why do I think
that I did do some work for one of the
councils for probably during the back end of COVID and
for a couple of years, and just notice the incredible
fear in there to make decisions and because you're right,

(01:07:49):
we weren't like this. This is not and it was
not being doing my sort of work for over twenty years.
It is just something that I've really started to notice
recently and that they areny is that you know, we
don't ever have control over our lives. I think we
like to think we don't have any control.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
We do have control of our own thoughts, though, that's
the thing, and our actions.

Speaker 16 (01:08:15):
Yeah, I believe that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
The most important school or attributes that people can develop
are adaptability and just never you know, when I get
up in the morning, I don't necessarily expect things to
go on a straight line. For example, I never thought
that I'd be talking to you this afternoon.

Speaker 20 (01:08:34):
And that's not a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
But you know, do you think that is trainable for everyone?

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Job?

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Just because we all know there's people with that mentality
when they face challenges or indeed, they can see things
going wrong and they can see nobody else is steeping up,
so they think, right, I've got to do something here
because nobody else is. So that's kind of ingrained in
some people's psyche. But sometimes when you get into a
general malaise that it feels like what's happening in this
country right now? You need those people to take charge?

(01:09:03):
Can that actually be trained in people?

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Well, I'm not a dog, and so I'm very careful
and if I think somebody needs maybe has got kemp
themselves in a mental state that needs some chemical interventions.
I see them off to a doctor. But mostly we
can learn to think differently. And I've just been working
with a woman this morning who is working in a

(01:09:31):
pretty high stress job. But she said she just has
the tools and things now that she's learned. So as
soon as she starts getting into feeling herself going to
the brink, she pulls back and breathes and prioritizes, does
some more plan, you know, and men can see the
way forward. Another woman who was just always sack never

(01:09:52):
gets sacked now right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Yeah, that is interesting how the physiological can be affected
by the psychological. Amazing that the placebo effect of humans
is incredible.

Speaker 24 (01:10:08):
You know, I think the heats.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
We don't know about how the brain work.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Yeah, there's so much. It's insane how little we know
about the thing that we used to think about. What
we don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah, Joe, thank you very much for having a chat
with us. Very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
One way you can, you know, try and get that
kind of mindset is the serenity prayer. Repeating that all
the time, right, So you don't have to believe in
God for this one. But that's the God grant me
the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the
courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom
to know the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
That is a powerful one.

Speaker 8 (01:10:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
I mean that's really sums it up right.

Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Accept the things you cannot change and the courage to
change the things I can. Yeah, that's really what it's
all about.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
And by the way, you know, Joe mentioned The Life
Less Punishing by none other than Matt Heath. You can
check it out on audiobook. At the moment, I've got
to say, mate, I can say this. There was a
hell of a lot of research that went into that
and it's a great read and a great listen as well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
It is Tyler said that, not me. I'm not self
sourcing my book.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
No, I'm is it self sourcing. I think I'm just.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
You're just saucy. I don't feel comfortable this conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
And it's thirteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
News Talks EDB. It is ten to three, having a
great discussion about how we get our mojo back in
this country if we have lost it. And I've got
to say most of the callers in Texas believe there
is some sort of malaise that is settled across the country.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Hi, Tyler and Matt, Ay, that's the incorrect way. It's
mad and Tyler good it right. It's alphabetic call no
all allow allow.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
You're allowing that one?

Speaker 11 (01:11:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Yeah, yeah, point of order.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Hi Tyler and Matt. I fully agree with the caller
who moved to Ossie and then came back to New Zealand.
I separated with my wife a few weeks ago and
I've taken it as an opportunity I've needed to improve myself.
I'm now moving to christ Church for Wellington in three
weeks time. You've got to take every opportunity in life
and winging won't get you any Whining, sorry, whiny won't
get you anywhere. It's true, whinning.

Speaker 19 (01:12:08):
Wait.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
There needs to be a social cost for people whining.
You should you know you could listen. You can point
out problems, but you have to be trying to fix
that problem. If someone says they've got a problem, they
have to be doing everything they can to try and
fix it. Otherwise it's whining if you're just going on
about your problem and you're not taking any steps to
fix it. So there needs to be a social crop.
Yeah cost, you're whining, telling me your problem and asking

(01:12:30):
for help. It's not whining. No, and or you know,
looking for a strategy that's not whinning. Just going on
and on and on about your lot in life needs
to have a social cost. People need to start going
christ stop whining.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
The collective whiny jar.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
And I get the irony that I'm whining about whining.
That's two bucks, please mate, Alistair, welcome to the show.

Speaker 19 (01:12:54):
Yeah, this is auristocoltural Tahuna Nelson.

Speaker 7 (01:12:57):
This is the.

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
Whole area of the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
I I know who you are.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
You won't know who I am, Alistair, but you used
to play squash with my dad, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
And I my job as a.

Speaker 19 (01:13:10):
Professional was tennis coaching, and so I'm a self made person.
It started from nothing when I left school. So I've
never worked for anybody. So and a little while back,
about a month ago, I was named the Legend of
the Community for the whole Tahnah area and the Nelson.

Speaker 5 (01:13:28):
Wetby for the whole province.

Speaker 19 (01:13:30):
I'm just a self Yeah. No, I'm a self made person.
I just make things happen. I think it comes down
to your attitude, what you do and like, For an example,
on Sunday, I cleaned out the whole Tahnah during the
day and a little bit on Monday in the morning,
and that I would have got about ten to fifteen
bags out of the whole of the tona, so it's
just spotless.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Yeah, bloody good on you mate.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Now, Alistair you yeah, you actually coached me in tennis
way back in oh gosh, I would have been about
ten years old. You won't remember me, but you're a
good coach. Say that you're tough, but fear.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
I yeh know, I am fear.

Speaker 19 (01:14:08):
I started there in eighty seven. So I had a
dream when I was at school too played professional tennis,
and I went off and followed my dreams and then
and then I set up a business from nothing. Had
to buy ours thirty dollars to get it started, and
unfortunate that I've made my own luck. So I think
it comes down a little bit too. You've got to

(01:14:28):
use your own initiative. I've got a budding tennis star
Jesse Beside me who's ready to go on the tennis
courts of me soon, so you know, and he wants
to be a professional footballer one day and maybe follow
his dreams.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Yeah, nice, loved Alistair, thank you very much. Doesn't he
doesn't remember me at all?

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
He didn't need it. That's sailed that guy. He doesn't
remember your dad. Gail says, Hey, guys, I don't think
that it is because people have lost the mojo. I
think people have lost self responsibility. They're quite happy sitting
at home putting their hand out, playing their computer games
and doing everything they can, rather than taking responsibility for
their own actions.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Yes, good text. Uh and this one right here, guys,
you too well balanced and believable and wellington. Our media
are busy destroying everything the government is doing. There is
the Mikey Sherman's, the Watkins Advancers, the BENEDICTT. Collins, et cetera.
We need more positive chat in our media. That's part

(01:15:29):
of the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yeah, But I mean, you know, that's the environment we
live in, right So if that's if that's the environment
that's around us in our country, then that's that's the
water we're swimming in. So you just have to take
responsibility for your own emotions and actions and get on
with it and swim in the in the direction you

(01:15:50):
want to go for yourself and not be murderous metaphor
not washed along in the current. Si beautifully said, if
you know you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And if
everyone starts becoming a country where you know, in positive,
he is infectious, everyone starts you know, you're positive around
some people, they'll be positive around some people, and then
that becomes a country that salivates positivity. And look how

(01:16:11):
excited we get about the likes of Sir Peter Jackson
or Rocket Lab yep, and how it makes us feel
and you know we're talking about Bruce McLaren before, and
how excited it makes us feel about our country. So
then they become the stories that people click on, and
then that becomes the actuality of your country.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
But it sort of starts with each individual, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Not nicely said the text of Sears. Oh man, I've
just lost it. So many texts have come through here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
I'll read this one. This one hurts, lads. I'm one
of those winging poems from the UK. But let's be honest,
it's the key. We still hear the winging. Now New
Zealand is awesome. You want the mojo back, starts singing
fred Dagg as the national anthem and start loving this
place again. We don't now how lucky we are one
sing along.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Thank you, Jonathan Wellington nicely said.

Speaker 24 (01:16:57):
God.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
If the winging poems are a shaming us for being winging,
we're in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
We can't have that. We've got to stop that right now.
Great discussion. Thank you to everybody who phoned and text on.
That really positive and it gives me a lot of
hope for the future in New Zealand. Hopefully give them
a tasty key, nicely said Matt. Right coming up after
three o'clock, let's have a chat about the self help
book industry. It's absolutely exploded. It's bigger than ever in
twenty twenty five. But the question we've got for you

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your life? Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Nine ten ninety two is the
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Stay right here. We'll be back very surely.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
This business says watch Country Calendar.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
That'll make you positive love that show.

Speaker 8 (01:17:47):
We're you know.

Speaker 18 (01:17:50):
Person person.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Where if you know a person, Bazie.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk Sabby.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Bit of a hot mic incident there, It certainly was.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
I had my mic on, yeah, and I was saying, damn,
I forgot, and then I noticed that my mic was
on because Tyler and a panic pointed to me it
was lucky Jona John. I might as well Finnish the sentence,
yeah please please. Now, I was going to say, and
it's this is going to be hugely controversial. Damn, I
forgot to make my man shake in the break. I'm
really hungry.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Oh you are missing that? Yeah, mate, your poor bugger.
You've got on this whole afternoon with no manshak and
I know how much you love those.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
That's the kind of controversial chat that Tyler and I
have when the.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Between where's my man shake? Well we've got to sort
that out for tomorrow. Cheepers, mate, Johns. Someone see me
spaking an egg yeah, yeah, that's a maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Okay, you can ever buy overcook the egg and I
don't like my bacon as crispy as that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Speakers can't be choosers, mate. Right now, as we know,
one of the big stories today, the Reserve Bank has
cut the official cash rate by twenty five basis points
to a three year low of three percent. To discuss
this further, we're joined by Brad Olsen. He's a friend
of the show and he's also the CEO of Infometrics.
Brad get eight of you. Good afternoon, Brad.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Did they go hard enough? Wouldn't have you know? Fifty
points would have put some much needed juice into the economy,
wouldn't have.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
It would have to be fair.

Speaker 25 (01:19:36):
They actually did consider going by fifty. They took a
vote by four to two. They decided to cut by
twenty five rather than fifty. Let's be clear, though, that
was very well anticipated. We all thought we were getting
the twenty five, so tick on that box. But by
making that expectation that you could see, or that there
were votes on the committee to go even harder, that
does send a strong enough signal that hey, they've probably

(01:19:59):
got a bit further to go. Most expectations now seem
to be shifting. People were thinking maybe two point seventy
five was now the bottom. We haf metrics afternoon, we've
changed our pick to now expecting a further cut in
both October and November, taking their official cash right down
to two point five percent. So we've done a lot
of the heavy lifting, but there still might be a

(01:20:19):
little bit more relief on the way.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
You mentioned that vote four to two. Do we get
to know which way and who votes for which option brand?
That would be nice to know information or is it
all anonymous?

Speaker 25 (01:20:31):
It is all anonymous as much as I would also
like the gossip to sort of understand it, because as
well one member of the committee they didn't vote this way,
but they did am and r about it. Of actually
doing nothing this time, it's sort of, you know, holding
things steady. So there's clearly a bit of diversity of
view out there. What's interesting is it's not just our
central bank doing this either. You look at a number
of central banks around the world, the Australian one in

(01:20:54):
the last couple of months at one point they had
a divided vote. I think the UK also had a
divided vote recently, so there's a lot of uncertainty out
there over how much more do you need to do?
And I think the big one for decision makers at
the moment is the timing delays, because by the time
this official cash rate cut that we got today actually
hits the numbers in about a year's time, because it

(01:21:15):
takes that long for everyone to refix. You could see
a lot of the interest rate cuts that have already
happened be hitting people's back pockets. They'll have lower mortgages
and they might be spending more. So there is a
lot of sort of timing questions going on, and I
think unfortunately a little bit of patience for those lower
interest rates to actually be affecting people's back pockets and

(01:21:36):
what they spend on. So it's all about timing and
so far it's difficult to pin that down.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
But patience is the problem because we need an economic
turnaround right now, you know, we need things to happen today.
And look, you know that twenty five basis points, as
you said, was well, we knew that well in advance,
so you know everyone's already the banks have already factored
that in. So does it actually give any juice into
the economy just twenty five basis points.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Well, yes and no.

Speaker 25 (01:22:04):
The thing is is that economic conditions today, economic conditions
next month. They sort of set the conditions for that
was set a year ago. But even if the Reserve
Bank cut one hundred basis points today, you wouldn't see
that filter through immediately because every you know, you've got
a large number of households out there that are either
havey fixed in the last couple of months or might
still be refixing in the next couple But it doesn't

(01:22:25):
sort of hit as immediately as everyone sort of wants
or expects, So there is always this sort of persistent
timing piece. What I think we're seeing a bit more
of is that the second quarter of the year April
through June that was a bit more lackluster. You saw
the tariffs sort of make everyone feeze in place. No
one was confident, everyone was uncertain, But some of the
partial data for July shows a little bit more. You've

(01:22:48):
seen manufacturing that's ticked up, spending that's ticked up, So
we're hoping to see a little bit more of that
momentum coming through. It is a slow recovery, but it
is a recovery. Nonetheless, But you're right, everyone wants.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
A whole lot more.

Speaker 25 (01:23:01):
I'm not sure we can get there a whole lot
quicker without destabilizing something out the other end.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Because equally, if you had, you.

Speaker 25 (01:23:07):
Know, some big cuts, that send a pretty strong signal
that we haven't got control of the economy at the moment,
and I'd worry it could reverse out the other way.
So we've got to be a bit careful with how
quick we move.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Yeah, my go hard or go home attitude is why
I'm not the Reserve Bank governor. Hey, now, Brad Olson,
CEO of Infometrics, as part of the problem that we
seem to have this much talked about two speed economy
with the regions doing well from the experts, but the
city's being sort of hit by property downturn and various

(01:23:38):
problems with hospo, is that part of the problem for them,
that they're trying to balance those two economies.

Speaker 25 (01:23:44):
Yeah, that's absolutely true, And look at its metrics. We've
got some numbers actually coming up tomorrow that sort of
puts that in stark relief. The challenge as well, though
it's not even a two speed economy, it's just that
everything's very bitsy. You know, different parts of rural and
provincial centers seem to be going better, but not everywhere.
You've got some parts of tourism that are firing, others aren't.
Some parts of construction that are going all right, but

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a lot of others that that are really struggling to
find activity. So I think it's just that the economy
sort of moving in fits and starts at the moment.
And for a lot of businesses, what do you plan
around with that? You know, it's very very difficult to
know exactly what you're going to see what the pipeline
of activity and sales is. So yeah, everyone at the
moment trying to figure out effectively still what the new
Goldilock zone is going to be for the economy, and

(01:24:28):
we're clearly not there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Well, inflation is what two point seven percent right now?
Is that correct? That's right? So surely we can run
the crank up to two point nine and see what
we can keep going with the juice in the economy.
But thank you so much for talking to us today,
Brad brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Thanks to team Great Insights. That is Brad Olson, the
CEO of Informeatrics. If you want to ever say about
the cut of the ocr today. I love to hear
from you eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty Should they
have gone for the full fifty basis points and you've
heard what Brad said, You've got to go a little
bit slowly in case you overcook things. And we saw
what happened last They overcook things, but they had extra

(01:25:11):
fifty basis points. I'm looking at what Brad said in
this monetary policy statement. So strong exports, that's going well,
fantastic and thank god for that. Weak consumer demand and
a week labor market. Isn't that what gets those two
elements cranking that If you get more optimism and people
think they've got a bit more money on paper, they
start maybe spending a bit more, maybe they horror a

(01:25:31):
few more people, just go a bit harder.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
You would think though, that, you know, talking about optimism.
As house prices have stabilized or gone backwards like massively
in places like Wellington for example, wouldn't that give a
bit of optimism for people to go out and get
something done because they've got a chance to get into
the market as well. Yeah, because we always think, you know,
especially in Auckland, as current for this right. When people's

(01:25:56):
capital gains arising, they get this artificial sense of wealth
and then they're down ponsby road just having money around.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
You know, Yeah, very true. Oh eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Should their Reserve
Bank of on a bit harder done the fifty basis
points to get some optimism in the economy. Love to
hear from you? Nine to nine two is the text number.
It is quarter past three US talk sa'd be very
good afternoon tune seventeen past three. So the Reserve BANDCS

(01:26:22):
cut the ocr by the expected point two five basis points.
It's now down to three percent, the lowest it's been
in three years. But should they have gone harder considering
the lack of confidence and optimism out there? Really? Can
you hear from you? Oh e one hundred eighty ten
eighty is number to call?

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
This Texas is week week? Why are we ruled by
weak people? Just have some guards take a bloody punt
one hundred points.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
We get that man into the Reserve bank.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
On with Matt go hard to go home? I said
fifty I was I was in harsty. I wasn't a
hundred Hundi go hard twenty five points as a chicken move.
We have all these people worried about the backlash. Well,
we have to do something right now. All we hear
on the news is how bad things are going twenty
five points pathetic.

Speaker 8 (01:27:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
We also have a lot of people commanding on the
news about inflation, don't we Yes, we do. So that
that's what they're that's what they're doing. They're trying to
ride this crazy line or this one says all you
care about is your wanker. Auckland house prices language text.
I need to read these in advance. No empathy. You
rich people are horribly selfish? Is that because we were

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talking about, you know, money. When Aucklanders feel like they've
got more money through the capital game, they spend more
in the service sector.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Yeah, yeah, and go and buy a new car or jski.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Well, so much of the economy is perspective, isn't it
a perspective you know, on how you feel? And then
that's contagious exactly, Jason, Welcome to the show, mate.

Speaker 26 (01:27:52):
I've got a question that I'm hoping someone will be
able to answer. I'm close to sixty and I've noticed
just over the last couple of years, the rates seem
to the banks seem to drop their rates before they
hear from the.

Speaker 9 (01:28:03):
R seat, and they used to they used to wait
until that eight came out.

Speaker 20 (01:28:09):
He made a decision.

Speaker 26 (01:28:10):
Are they are playing games.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Or I think I think I think what's happening now
is the change is signaled. You know, they you know,
we've got experts that go through the wording.

Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Just just the fact that they were split today on
fifty or twenty five. I think it was four to two.
It came down to twenty five signals that they will
be going lower. If you see what I mean, Jason,
there is there is, there's an attitude, and the banks
are very astute at jumping on that, you know, because

(01:28:42):
because every word is poured over and every word is
selected when they make the announcement, and so the signaling
is the adjacent.

Speaker 22 (01:28:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:28:53):
No, that's fair enough.

Speaker 5 (01:28:54):
Yeah, just something I wanted to know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
And if you still got a mortgage, Jason, as your
if you've got a mortgage a year looking to refix
soon hopefully No I haven't.

Speaker 18 (01:29:03):
But it was just something I noticed and I thought
it was strange.

Speaker 8 (01:29:06):
I'm thinking he's ruling the roost here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Yeah, that's good points. It is sort of. It is
an odd thing, though, isn't it that they you know,
they signal that they have It's almost a coded speech
of what they're doing, and your Brad Olson's go, well
that means this is happening.

Speaker 22 (01:29:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
That's why they get it right so often is because
it's pretty heavily implied and.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Go, yeah, this is going to happen. And that's why everyone,
you know, in the last few times with the drops,
we've all known what it is and everyone's you know,
before we've announced on the show, everyone's come through and
out that's what it's going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Yep, yep, one hundred percent. Greg, how are you mates?
What do you reckon about the reserve band cutting? It
just two point two five.

Speaker 24 (01:29:48):
Well from a banking and forest background and the porter
that I am. I nice to send you your dollars away,
which is really painful at the moment, but just to
give you an idea. Since the announcement, O dollars dropped
about half a cent, so I was just saying, yeah,
drop at one hundred basis points, our dollar would drop
probably do about fifty four or five over about a week. Right,

(01:30:10):
everything important goes up. Fuel will go up. Everything has
to get from A to B needs fuel and power.
It would be it would be an important inflation.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:30:21):
So, and as long as the United States official cash
rates is, Trump wants it down, but the governor over
there doesn't like Trump. He's keeping it up. If that
differential between their cash rates and our cash rate was huge,
we could go to fifty cents US. But just looking
at the exchange rate now, it's just gone. It's fallen

(01:30:41):
off the cliff in the last two hour and a.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Half, right, yeah, And I mean from an exporters perspective
then absolutely. And we were talking about that two speed
of comedy economy with the regional sectors going so that
that that exchange rate coming down is great for the exporters.
But yeah, balance of payments, you've got the whole.

Speaker 24 (01:31:01):
I fully understand people looking at their mortgage rates and
their over draft rates and everything else, which is all good,
but most of that would be mitigated by the cost
of a lot of things going up. So you might
say fifty hundred bucks a months of your mortgage, but
you're going to be paying out one way or the other.
You're going to be paying it out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Yeah, I think people just want something. And you know,
there's not that many levers around in the economy, isn't there.
So that's the lever that we really focus on, you know,
as citizens of this nation. So you know, really when
someone text it and say go harder, want a hundred points,
what they really mean is they just want something to
turn this economy around right now. And as you say, Greg,

(01:31:40):
it's so much more complicated than that.

Speaker 24 (01:31:43):
Yeah, well, our economy is not going to turn around
after that seventeen through twenty twenty damage. That it's good
even Econmas we're saying this week and big upturning the
economy is not going to fix it. At the moment
we're paying out what ten billion and interest alone on
our sovereign debt. That damage is going to take a
long time to come right unless we up Texas more

(01:32:04):
and more, which is what the socialists want to do.
Get down the road, let let the other generations pay
for it. And then you've got the bloody teachers today
wanting to increase. Everyone wants more money.

Speaker 8 (01:32:14):
We haven't got it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Yeah, for cover to be how long? Just get out
your wie crystal Ballbier, Greg when do you reckon we're
going to start seeing that light at the end of
the tunnel coming at us.

Speaker 24 (01:32:25):
Well, it to start with hospitality. I guess the discretionary
spend between you know that meant to upper hospital sector
once you see a bit of a kick up there,
and you can find all throughout the the eternet at
the moment, you can see where they are struggling. People
are buying cheaper meals and all that sort of sort
of sort of thing. But I reckon, we're are we

(01:32:48):
twenty twenty five? I reckon it could take five years
to come right. But we need either a lot more
people and a lot more tax income from GST which
comes from the economy kicking up, or we're going to
have to cut costs. And that's that's the reality of it.

Speaker 13 (01:33:03):
You know.

Speaker 24 (01:33:04):
Yeah, but borrow sixty five billion and expect they followed
me to come right within two or three years.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Yeah, I mean it, mess It's a massive concern, But
there is there is also that perception thing, isn't there?
And you know, I keep saying the same thing, But
you know, we had that massive high of capital game
going up that just made those people that suddenly artificially
thought they were worth two ondred fifty grand more because

(01:33:31):
their property was going out. We're out just spending money
in the hospital because just their positivity changes, and you know,
economies are a lot about just how we feel.

Speaker 24 (01:33:41):
Definitely, absolutely it's going to be the long Hall Fells.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
God, please don't let it be five years well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Where we were going for, you know, right through twenty
twenty four. You remember survived to twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
I was like, yeah, I had survived for twenty five.
It's like it's like, go to sleep or our sander
won't come, you know, just wait till tomorrow morning and
you get your presence. But the presence didn't seem to
come in twenty twenty five, and we're running out of
twenty twenty five. We're running out an extrap. Hey, guys,
you are letting yourself down. Having spent the last segment
of your show talking and hearing more about more positive
media needed, you jump right on the cash rate only

(01:34:17):
dropping twenty five points. Maybe change the focus and discussion
to looking for the positive steps getting me taken because
of the drop. Good on you, Kevin, Yeah, that's a
good point. Yeah, twenty five points. Absolutely, it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
I'm very happy of it about it, But I would
have been happier with fifty.

Speaker 18 (01:34:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Well, you know you can always be happier, Tyler. Yep,
there's always more that you want. So twenty five base
in points. At least they didn't stay, you know, some
of them were. There was I'm not sure what percentage
was were voting to stay the same. Yeah, So yeah,
good on you, Kevin fair Cop.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
Where's that? Wins Jar pots a couple of bucks on
that one. It is twenty six past three. I E
one hundred and eighty ten eighties number.

Speaker 22 (01:34:55):
To call.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on news talk s'b very.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Good afternoon to you. It is twenty eight pass three.
Plenty of text coming through on this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Our dollar is so low now and the only good
thing it might attract is tourists, but imports will also increase.
Please buy local and not TEAMU. Yeah, I mean you're
basically a trader. If you're buying Temu.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
That speaks to that speaks to your heart, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Unfortunately not everything we need is manufactured in New Zealand. Yeah,
I reckon world economy gonna get a lot worse and
we will find that we will end up a lot
lower than three percent. New Zealand can't be a powerhouse
against the rest of the world. That's from Pear.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Why do people who live outside of Auckland always want
to poke the borax of those of us who live
in Auckland. I think you will find that we're not
all rich pricks, and in fact, the majority of us,
just like them, are struggling to make it back, struggling
to keep our heads above water for life in general.
So why would you want to throw around the world's
the words wanka in Auckland, Because, believe it or not,

(01:36:03):
we just like the rest of us. It's a very
good point. There is this very odd view of of Auckland,
and as I don't know when it was formed, was
sort of that yuppy thing. I think it was formed
in the eighties, there was that TV show Gloss maybe
it was. But the vast majority of Auckland are just
hard working people trying to get by and currently much

(01:36:26):
worse economic outcomes than the rest of the country. We
got punished much more in Covid than the rest of
the country most of the rest of the country, and
currently an unemployment rate as above six percent in Auckland,
the highest in the country. So this idea that we're
just floating around driving abandoning porsches on the Auckland Harbor Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
That's not quite true. Maybe for my cost game. But yes,
that was a great discussion. Thank you very much to
everybody who called it. Text Maybe one more because that's
not a bad text.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
There, We'll do two more quickly. They should have done
fifty basis points. How do you turn around a country
where the New Zealand culture is one where most looked
to the weekend. Tone off to play sport the next holiday,
down the pub after work, want to work from home,
want time off for anything that is arguably arguable from
parental level, sick days. Okay, that's from rob. Sport on

(01:37:22):
the weekend's good thing, right, If you're looking to get
out and do something athletic with your mates and your
team in the weekend, I think that will have great
benefits in.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
The week absolutely. But what I thought he was getting there,
and maybe I read that wrong, was the hospital spend
during the week we traditionally don't do that. We spend
up large on the weekend down at the pub, but
I don't know, going out for a dinner and Tuesday
night we definitely should be absolutely we should be getting
down there and spending money in hospital on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
No, you're just a bunch of dumb rich pracks.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Heyday. I've been up here eight months and they're all right, Jordan,
They're all right. Great discussion. Thank you very much to
everyone who called in text on that one right coming up?

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Children was not convinced by my my arguments or that
Texas arguments, Na Rich Frex. There it is.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
It is twenty nine to four headlines coming up. Then
we want to have a chat to you about the
books that have changed your life. Great story about the
self help book industry. It's never been bigger than it
is in twenty twenty five. But what were the books
that genuinely changed your life?

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Because let's be honest, some of them are absolutely rubbish
and they could make their point in about half a
paragraph and they just extend it out by pouring more
and more into the RaRo mix as you go through
the book.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
It's a great analogy.

Speaker 14 (01:38:44):
Us talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. The Reserve Bank says
more OCR cuts are possible if inflation remains in check,
but it will get more data before the next decision.
It's today lowered. The cash ran twenty five basis points
to three percent. Spate of shootings and live in in

(01:39:05):
the Lower North Island with a person seriously injured on
Bartholom You Rode around midday. Police were already investigating shootings
on Hennymore Street on Monday, Mabel Street on Tuesday and
a man getting medical care for a gunshot wound to
his thigh. Meanwhile, also in Levin, a contractor working at
Live In East school Grounds has died after a medical

(01:39:26):
event this morning. The Board of trustees praise the staff
and community for handling the unexpected situation. Canterbury Police have
received one thousand submissions on the proposal to downsize rural
police stations. The plan was too close some rural Canterbury
sites and cut staff in others. Half Enzed said start
dates for hundreds of graduate nurses will be delayed by

(01:39:49):
strikes planned next month. Staffing shortages plus Simon Wilson on
Gaza the government at How to Grow a Spine. See
his full column at ends at Herald Premium. Now back
to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
Thank you very much, Wendy. So we want to have
a chat about books that change your life. A great
article in the Herald about the self help book industry.
It is absolutely booming right now when it has been
for some years. Many of these books get to the
New York Times Bestsellers list and remained there for months
and months and sometimes years, read by millions of people.
Never been bigger than in twenty twenty five, according to

(01:40:22):
the industry. So the author, just to give you an example,
went on Amazon and search for self help books and
it gave him forty eight pages of examples drawn from
over one hundred thousand results. To put that in context,
he also search search for cookery books and that only
gave him sixteen pages drawn from fifty thousand results. So
it's a massive, massive industry. But we want to hear

(01:40:43):
from you about the books, whether it's self help or
just in general. Books that generally change your perspective on
life will change your life in general.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
I got one here and look, I don't think it's
that well written. But it's got so many good things
in it. And look, I know the self help you know,
you've got things like the Secret that were just playing scams,
absolute rubbish and ridiculous. But there are books and I
think a lot of self help book writers we wouldn't
want to call them self help book writers. But Atomic

(01:41:11):
Habits by James Clear that has actually made a tangible
difference to my life, just because it's full of little
ways to you know, make it easy to have good
habits in your life. One of the really simple ones
and Atomic Habits that says, the night before if you
want to go to the gym or go for a
run the next morning, the night before you put your
running gear or your gym gear out yep for you

(01:41:33):
to put on in the morning, because you get up
and you see it, and then you and then you
put it on. And then once you once your gym
gears on, it's harder to not go to the gym.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
So all those obstacles that might get in your way.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Yeah, and just make habits good, you know. And another
thing is just automate your good habits, you know, like
you know, when it comes to saving money or it
comes to you know, you know, paying your mortgage off
fast to automate all that kind of stuff. You know,
He's got lots of lots and lots of these things
that you can actually tangibly make your life a lot
lot easier and better and teach yourself to have good habits.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
And that was a phenomenon that book because and I
believe it is actually still on the New York Times
best seller list. Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is
the number to call, Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Hey, guys, so we do very good. Thanks for calling.
Your thoughts on self help box and what are the
good ones, what are the bad ones? Whatever?

Speaker 20 (01:42:22):
I think it all.

Speaker 9 (01:42:23):
Depends on yourself, right, Like I never used to read
much or anything other than the the Forum stories, but
I was stuck in they stuck in at the airport
for waiting for a play for seven hours. In the
first book I picked up at the broads actually was

(01:42:44):
called The Meg you know, the Bloody Prestorp Shut.

Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
Oh yeah, great movie afterwards.

Speaker 12 (01:42:51):
But I first read that and since that day in
ninety ninety three and Logan Logan Infessional Airport, I've been
reading ever since and I just love it and it
doesn't matter what is it all depends on of what
I've been interested in. One self help book was secret

(01:43:11):
to my success was the founder of Seal Team six
and his attributes and ways like you were talking about
put your jim gear out first thing in the morning,
those sort of affirmation things we and yeah, like it

(01:43:32):
all depends at the end of the day of what
you really are one thing at that present moment in time.
So yeah, God, please box.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
There's there's that saying A read nonfiction fiction and I
don't think this quite works, and it doesn't. It sort
of doesn't really work in the topic we're talking about
self help. But the saying that I used to hear
read nonfiction to learn about the world, but a great
novel will teach you about yourself. I think that's what
the saying was. And so a lot of the as
you say, a lot of the lessons that you learn
in life, they don't have to be that help you,

(01:44:08):
you know, they can come and books, you know, like
a novel.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Yeah, one that I read, and I read it maybe
about five or six years ago called Shanteram by a
guy called Grigory David Roberts, and partly true, partly fictional,
but it paints a beautiful picture of real life India
still yet to go, but man, it does a good
job at just showcasing the real India and really getting
into that zone. But that's a fictional book that actually

(01:44:35):
was a fantastic read, and I recommend that to anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
This text. This text someone that I could not agree
with more. The book I recommend is The Daily Stoic.
I've got multiple copies of this book. I've even I've
even spent one hundred and fifty bucks on a special
lever of down version of this book because I read
it every day, The Daily Stoic. So it's just basically
for every day of the year, there's a piece of
Stoic philosophy that you read in the morning. It's published

(01:45:00):
by Ryan Holiday Holiday and it's it's just great because
you get up every day, you read a little bit
of clos loss of e and it just helps you
for the day. Love and so it's just breaking it's
broken down stock philosophy into on one hundred and sixty
five and.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
A quarter days too good. I'm having a look at
it now, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is then,
and I've sent it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
To dozens of people. I sent it to my sister
in England. I must have bought. I think I've bought
ten copies of that boot.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
Yeah, well there was.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
I gave a copy to Jason Hoyt, did you Hoidy Jay?
He loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Yeah, he's a good man. Jordy Hay, Jordi Hay HOI
c j.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Hody, j Jason Hoyt, Great New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It's the number to call.
It is nineteen to four Beggary. Shortly here on news
talk'sb the issues that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Affect you and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSBB.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
Very good afternoon. We are talking about the books that
have changed your life. Getting plenty of texts coming through
on nine two nine two like this one. A Life
lis Punishing by Meat Heath was pretty solid, good to
reflect on in the early morning, and it's available on
audio book now as well. I am listening to it
in between listening to you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Wow, they'll be punishing, there'll be a life more punishing,
So just me and then me more me the double
I'm not reading out those texts Tyler, because I don't
want to turn this into a self sourcing just radio
show to promote my products.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
Well, they're clogging up the text machine. Just you know,
we get it. It's a good book.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
I think this is a good one. This one here,
and I agree with us. Read Charles Dickens, same theme
in every book, choosing virtue, family and hard work over
greed and vanity and dishonesty. If you read any number
of his books, and I love them. I listen when
I'm running and it's just people starting off in terrible,
terrible situations and just then through virtue, you know, being

(01:46:54):
able to find a way through and succeed.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
I heard Murray Olds on here the show yesterday and
he was raving about a tale of two Cities.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
So there you go. Yeah, the Sticks of Matt. I
agree with your assessment of the Daily Stoic. I have
multiple copies of The Boy, Mole, the Fox, and the
Horse quite daily simple thing thoughts and simple as illustrations.
Rebecca Nice, Yeah, hey boys, Stephen Covey. The Seven Habits
of Highly Effective People. That one's a good one. That's
a perennial that's been around.

Speaker 3 (01:47:22):
Yeah, that's been around for some time.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Can't beat an episode of south Park with Mary Jay
to keep things in perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Okay, yeah, not quite a book, but take You at
south Park is very funny, simple thinking trick.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
As expressed by former neighbors Sealed Jocko Wills, It's say
to yourself, no matter how bad it is, good eg.
Got fired. Good, Now I can work on the business idea. Yeah,
that's the obstacle is the way thing I was talking
about the last year, where whatever come, whatever falls in
front of you, that is your path. The obstacle is
the way love it, lose your job. That is the

(01:47:55):
path you have to take.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
Yep, oh, one hundred and eighty ten EIGHTYC number.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
To call right, welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (01:48:00):
Oh good a you guys.

Speaker 22 (01:48:02):
Great show. Hey, yeah, great book of read it it's top.
Apart from that, Yeah, I was in the book trade
for years and I managed a shop and it was
a second hand shop that really was sort of a
place people went and it.

Speaker 13 (01:48:20):
Dealt with that.

Speaker 22 (01:48:21):
We had a whole wall of self help books and
you know it was just like a fashionable thing like
music or whatever.

Speaker 11 (01:48:28):
You had sort of.

Speaker 22 (01:48:31):
Tony Boarder and Tony Robins Tony Robins, Stephen Kobe, Linda Goodwin.
You know, totally, they all came through and and being marketed,
they do well, and and you know, and it's you know,

(01:48:54):
it's still happening, and and there's always going to be
these self help books that are out there, you know,
and there's there's so many totally. He's another one, minde.
He's sort of faded into the background now because there's
so many more people. Elizabeth Gilbert, I think your name
is and yeah, yeah, I think it helps people make

(01:49:19):
meaning in their life, especially these days, you know.

Speaker 17 (01:49:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Do you think there's a thing though, right do you
say that you had all those books and then the
corner of the books there and stuff. Do you think
there can be a problem with self help books where
you're constantly reading self help books to try and find
the answer, but never acts as as endless amounts you
could make it your your life's ambition to just read
the self help box but never actually enact anything, and

(01:49:44):
never actually interact with the real world.

Speaker 22 (01:49:47):
I think you've nutshelled it there. Yeah. People can read
these books and try to feel better with them, but
they're not doing anything in.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
The real world there. Yeah, absolutely yeah, but I'll tell
you what.

Speaker 22 (01:49:59):
My personal favorite is Terrence the Kenna Food of the Gods.
I'll just say that, just throw it in.

Speaker 11 (01:50:09):
But yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 22 (01:50:10):
Think there's always going to be a market there and
there's always going to be people coming out with, you know,
a bit of mouse trap as they would say.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Yeah, that's that's the whole thing. Ah, But I think
there are ones, you know, as I said, I just
keep talking about the same one atomic havocs that just
add things that actually, I know now made my life better.
And it's the same with The Daily Stock and a
lot of the other books I've read from Stoicism that
actually have practical things that actually make your life better,
and they're not running a scam on you. Definitely, you're

(01:50:40):
not trying to extend an idea with a catchy title
with a swear word and it just to get you
to buy the book.

Speaker 3 (01:50:46):
I wonder what book that could be? Hell? And how
are you?

Speaker 13 (01:50:50):
Hi?

Speaker 19 (01:50:51):
Good?

Speaker 27 (01:50:51):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
And what's your book?

Speaker 27 (01:50:54):
Who Moved My Cheese? By Spencer Johnson?

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
Oh, having a look up Who Moves My Cheese? Great title,
it's a.

Speaker 12 (01:51:05):
Really, really really short book.

Speaker 27 (01:51:06):
It's probably only twenty pages long and it's pretty much
all you know sketched out, but it's about two humans
and two little mice called He and Horror and they
go to a cheese station every day and then eventually
the cheese is finished. And it's about learning to cope
with change and looking for the signs of change and
the cheese can be anything that you want it to

(01:51:27):
be in your life, and it's about going out and
getting it and embracing change in a positive way rather
than you know, not liking to move with it. And
I just found it really really helpful, and it's a
really good book that you can just look at and
reflect upon. You open it and you see one of
the you know, the little writings on the wall, and
just remind yourself that, you know, change isn't always bad

(01:51:50):
and it comes with some positive things as well. Like
you say, that obstacle that's in your way, it's not
an obstacle, it's it's a reason to change and you
know you can grow from that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Yeah, it's interesting because there's so many different ways of
saying the same kind of message. You know, who move
my cheese, The obstacle is my way. You know, there's
there's there's so many ways. But this is your huge book.
I don't come eeve one I've ever heard of it.
It's one of the most successful business books of all time.

Speaker 27 (01:52:13):
Yeah, it's brilliant and as I say, it's you can
actually watch it on YouTube. How easy use that. But
the book's quite nice because you can just it's really
short read. You can probably read it in seven minutes.
But it's really really good. I thoroughly, I highly recommend it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Yeah, that's a great recommendation. Think thanks very much. It's
called Who Moved My Cheese? By doctor Spencer Johnson and
sounds like a fast read, which I love. Oh eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
The Godfather's that's a fantastic book by Mario Apuzzo. I
need to read that great, great movie, but also a
fantastic book. And you know, that's one of those that
goes back to saying, you know, a great novel will
teach you about yourself. That that's a pretty pretty, pretty
goddamn deep book when you read it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
I think we've got time for Helen before we've got
a play some messages.

Speaker 28 (01:52:59):
Cant I Helen, Hi, My book's the five Love Language
is by Gary Tatman. So, if you've ever given someone
a gift or gone out of your way to help
someone and they don't really look as though they appreciate it,
it might be that you've got the wrong love language.
And each that you can use this for your family,

(01:53:21):
for your partner, even for you. I used it for
my staff as well to know how to really recognize
what they've done.

Speaker 7 (01:53:29):
Well.

Speaker 28 (01:53:30):
So's there's gifts, acts of service, commonduction sroy telling someone
I've done a good job or I've.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Got here actually if I can, words of deformation, quality
time showing love by giving undivided attention, engaging in meaningful conversations.
Gifts showing love through thoughtful and meaningful gifts that symbolize appreciation.
Acts of service showing love by performing various tasks that
are helpful and ease the partner's burdens. Physical touch showing
love through physical gestures such as hugging, kissing, and holding hands,

(01:54:02):
among others.

Speaker 28 (01:54:04):
Yeah, and you see people trying with you know, acts
of suit us from help you and getting nowhere, and
they just don't understand that that's it's not the way
to go.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Yeah, Yeah, I love it so much for your call, Helen.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
Fantastic, what a great discussion it is eight minutes to four,
will be back very shortly. You're listening to Matt and
Tyler good Afternoons.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
You the big stories, the big issues, the big trends
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Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
Talks B News Talks hed B five to four. A
couple of texts to wrap this up, guys. The book
Fish It's about turning around a toxic workplace or I
remember reading that in a workplace. Actually very good book.
And another one for Dickens Tailors, two Cities. Absolutely fantastic read.
Nothing beats Dickens.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
And novels are The Romantic by William Boyd. Absolute beautiful
book that will tell you all you need to know
about life. And if that doesn't get you, their Lover's
Blind by the same author. Those are great books. William
Boyd is a fantastic writer.

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
Love that Chet fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
Thanks so much for the in the show, and thanks
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Stop the malaise, get your mojo back.

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