Full Show Podcast: 20 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hell are you Grant New Zealands? And Welcome to Matt
and Tyler Full Show Podcast number one twenty eight for Tuesday,
the twentieth of May twenty twenty five. Things get heated
around toilet toilet utensils no kitchen utensils being used to
clean and drain. Boy, we got some in depth chats
with people that were ex graffitists and taggers and saw
their side of it. But I thought, tell you, we
didn't win anyone over, but it was very interesting to

(00:37):
look into their world. And boy, boy, that gas chat.
We had some experts coming in on that. But that
is a serious issue for the country and I'm not
sure how we're going to solve that one. But enjoyed
talking to people about it, and I hope you enjoy
listening to us talking to people about it.

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Speaker 1 (01:00):
The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adamsons News.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Talk said, be afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday. Hope
you're having a great day with ive. You're listening in
the country. Get a Matt, get a.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Tyler, get a you'll you great New Zealanders. Thanks for
tuning in. Got fantastic three hours of radio prepared for
you today. I've got a couple of questions.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Before Tyler, I was talking to you about the Bruce
Willis album Return of Bruno sounds amazing on LP. He
was he had an alter ego called Bruno. Bruce Willison
released hit albums.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I want to buy it on vinyl. I just looked up.
It goes for one hundred and twenty nine Americans. So
there's anyone out there across this beautiful country of ours
that has a copy of the Return of Bruno, Bruce
Willis album of fantastic hits, including under the Boardwalk.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yep, hold on it, get hold of me.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'll buy it.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
What's the upper level you'll go to? You know, come
ont least took money three three dollars fifty.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
You got to go to at least one hundred bums.
I'm doing the out of the deal. I'm starting really low, okay, right, okay,
right of suddenly so low to.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Develop it if you've got it.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right to hear from you. Hey,
And apart from that, I've got a quick question for
everyone out there. So I want to know who's the
bad guy in this domestic situation.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
So I realized that was a problem with some of
our drainage and sewage at our house, right, And I
worked it out. I was lying in bed, and I
worked out what would be going wrong. So I got
up first this thing this morning and worked out how
to solve it without having to bring a drainage specialist
then or a plumber. Okay, so saving it's nice.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
You feel proud doing that?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, yeah, I did it. But what I needed to
do it was some utensils from the kitchen. Right, So
I took some utensils down, took a late look down,
and I took a little coffee spoon down with a scoop,
and I put my hand down the drain and I
sorted everything out and now everything's running great. But then
I get upstairs and suddenly I'm the bad guy for

(03:01):
using utensils from the kitchen in a sewage situation quite
apart from the fact that I said I'd boil them
in a pot. So I boiled the utensils and put
them back in the drawer. Well, I'm planning to do that.
So who's the bad guy in that situation? Somehow I've
become the bad guy for solving a problem free of
charge for the family using the tools that were available

(03:24):
to me, and then putting them through the same or
planning to put them through the same sterilization process that
is good enough for surgery boiling the utensils in a pot.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, but mate, I'll tell you why you're the bad
guy is because you told Tracy that you use the utensils.
I mean, you don't do that, you just go I
take my head off to your resourcefulness. Well done and fantastic.
You feel good as a man of the house when
you do a job like that. But the second that you.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Told her that you used the lader, Mate, I didn't
tell her. She caught me. She came downstairs and she
caught me outside and she said.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Why are all those using my good ladle while.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
All these things outside? And then she caught me with
my hand down the drain with one of her special.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Coffee little things, and then you've got to chuck it out.
You've got to check out Ladle and say, I think
you get a fantastic new Ladle.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I think what I am is the hero, But somehow
I'm being portrayed in my house as the villain.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Can I put a Dunce in there as well somewhere?
So either hero dunce or villain nineteen ninety two, let
us know. But we've all done it. Let's be honest.
But it's the fact that she found out that was
where you went wrong.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
No, no, no, why do men use kitchen utensils with
things like that?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Just put them in the well? To that tick star,
What would you prefer a clogged up drain or a
lovely utensil?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, Mike has got this point. This is the kind
of attitude that we have to put up with. Don't
shower in the shower mat, You'll make the shower dirty. Exactly,
very good, exactly, Yeah, right, Okay, I think you one
agrees I'm the hero in this situation.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well I don't know about that, but yeah, all right,
move on with the show. On to today's show. After
three o'clock, we want to talk passports. Get this. Between
May twenty twenty four and April this year, a total
of twelve than two hundred and thirty six passports were
reported as lost. That is a crazy number of passports
that good old keyws have lost it and probably at
the last time while you're packing up.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
What the hell is wrong with us? That is so
many passports to lose. So over twelve thousand lost in
six thousand damage. We're doing something very wrong. But each
one of those has a little story to it. You know,
most times when you lose a passport, when you've found
out that you've lost it or you've found out that
your damaged it is when you need it for something,
and generally speaking quite soon. So there's a lot of
stories there. So have you lost your passport? What is

(05:38):
the best way to keep a passport safe? Is there
a special way you can do this? And this is
the age of question. Do you leave your passport in
the hotel or do you take it with you in
your overseas? Yeah, that's cutely good because if you leave
it in the hotel, there's a very good chance that
you'll leave it in the hotel when you go to
the airport.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
That has got to be a great chat. That's after
three o'clock, after two o'clock. Do you know this fella Pork?
Many you spend time in Auckland will be aware of
this vandal by his name goes by Pork or Porker
or Porkey that appears in graffiti on buildings, bridges, trains
and walls. In the past fourteen months, a total of
two hundred ninety eight graffiti incidents have been attributed to
this individual. So if you are Pork, give us a buzz.

(06:15):
I don't think Pork will be listening to this. He's
too busy graffitiing in that Auckland.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well it tends to do it under the cover of darkness,
but he does put it up on his Instagram page
so people can see it. And he's struck as far
as Wellington, Pork.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Far out travels. Yeah, it was far and wide.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
So I guess the question on this is eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty Is there any worth in graffiti
artistically or I mean doesn't have any value at all?
I mean banks he does, But just writing your name Pork,
it's pretty muppet behavior, isn't it. So Look, we want
to talk to a current or recovering Graffiti's eight hundred
and eighty teen eighty. What does the hell is wrong

(06:50):
with you?

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:51):
What do you get out of it? You're weird?

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Is there something mentally wrong if you if you feel
the need to go out night and write the same
thing over and over and over again, do something productive
with your life. Yeah, if you spent that much effort
into something productive, you'd be a very successful person.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Here.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
It would be various.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
If you put that much on to farming, you could
grow pork and you can make some money, although you
probably get undercut by overseas pork anyway. That's yeah, Yeah,
that's a totally different issue. So I just want to
get into the head of graffiti. It's insane. And how
many resources should we deploy against finding pork? Because surely
a detecative we'll be able to find him. You go
on Instagram, you can track him. You see where he's being.

(07:28):
Surely we can find pork and charge him for all
his writings of pork.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
If we can get that guy before the hours out,
that will be a good thing. That's after two o'clock
and after wall. Actually, right now, let's have a chat
about oil and gas in New Zealand. So the Associate
Energy Minister says reversing natural gas policies will take time.
Production foul twenty percent of the first quarter compared to
the year before. So industry spokespeople say available gas is depleting.
We know that, and exploration of new fields is still

(07:54):
banned and that's the only way we're going to solve
the situation that we're in. Shane Jones says the last
government wanted the sector shut down and faith needs to
be restored so that it has a future. I quote,
he says, since twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, when the
curtain came down on the industry, people stopped drilling and
people lost confidence that there would be no future for
fossil fuel in New Zealand. That takes time to turn around.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, look, it's it's a Look, it's a crisis, and
I mean, but how bad is it in New Zealand?
How bad are you being affected by it? And what
can we do about it? Yeah, if you're eight one hundred,
eighteen eighty, if you if your industry is being affected
by it, by this massively depleting production of gas in
our country and it's gone down far faster than they

(08:38):
expected it to and a lot of that is to
do with the uncertainty. Uncertainty because if you're not going
to make a long term business out of it, why
would you invest in it exactly if you don't know
if it's just going to be cut off again.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty love to hear
from you on this, And coming up very shortly, we're
going to have a check to John Carnegie. He's the
chief executive of Energy Resources ALTAIOA. We've got some questions
we need to put to him because it is a
complex situation. So that is coming up its fourteen past.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
While taking in an absolute pounding.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
You certainly are well deserved. I've got so, Matt.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
You buy four hundred dollars lego, just buy new utensils,
probably save one thousand minimum by sorting the issue out.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yes, Sting, it's just a ladle. What was a ladle cost?

Speaker 2 (09:18):
You are a bad guy, Matt. Oh my god. All
I did was get like a couple of things from
the kitchen and fixate a major sewage.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Is shou Villain or dance not hero, but it's fifty
It has a quarter past one let's chet oil and
gas next twat Joe, that's unfair.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
That'd be good afternoon. So we're talking about oil and
gas in New Zealand on the back of the twenty
eighteen band by the Labor government. It appears that reversing
that ban is not as simple as once thought. That
is still moving its way through Parliament. But the question
we've got for you is do we need to change
policies and legislation to get some more confidence back in

(10:07):
the industry to allow exploration with these dwindlings supplies primarily
of natural gas. To break it all down, we are
joined by John Carnegie here is the Chief Executive of
Energy Resources Alter John, very good afternoons. Yeah, good afternoon,
Hey John.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Let's get right back to basics. What do we mean
by natural gas in New Zealand?

Speaker 6 (10:27):
Right? Okay, Well, let us going back to basics. Basically,
natural gas is of fossil fuel which is primarily extracted
in the Taranaki region and it's used widely failed chrisity
generation and industrial processes and of course, as we've tried
to see in the last couple of years, back up

(10:51):
for renewables during dry years or pig demand.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
So okay, and how much are we producing and how
much are we importing?

Speaker 6 (11:00):
Well, if we most of just about all of what
we produce is used domestically. Back in the day, we
used to produce the units of measurement called peta duwels.
We used to produce around one hundred and eighty two
hundred of them. We're down to about one hundred and
ten now. The slight exception to that is LPG, so

(11:24):
that's bottled gas where we do actually import a small
fraction of our LPG from Australia. But the situation, the
reason we're in this situation, of course, is that dropped
from one hundred and eighty petted duels down to one
hundred and ten and possibly lower.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
So we'll come back to the LPG bottled LPG. John,
But how quickly are we running out of the natural
gas that is primarily used by industry.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
I mean, it's a bigger question. It sounds unfortunately. I mean,
the irony is that we have lots of natural gas resource,
but we're cons The second is constrained given the oil
and gas ban to exploring it so effectively. You know,
if you want to think about it from a business perspective,

(12:16):
the oil and gas industry is effectively running out of runway.
Every business, of course, needs to invest in its future,
and the oil and gas sector got told effectively in
twenty eighteen that it didn't have one. So you know,
what we're now seeing is the impact of that. So
there's plenty of gas, we just can't access. What the

(12:37):
sector is its confined to its existing fields and they
are all getting old, mature and the nearing end of life.
So that's the issue, not that we're running out of gas.
We're running out of gas that we have available to us,

(13:00):
and that is the importance of this government reversing the
oil and gas new permit span and hopefully that revitalizing
our oil and gas sector.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
What was the plan, So if you were this must
have been foreseeable, So what was the plan to replace
what gas does for our power needs in the country.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
Well, there's a very good question. I guess the expectation
was that behemoth projects like the onslow stored pumped hydro
scheme that was put forward by the last government down
down in the South Island. And also the expectation that
renewable sources of energy, so hydrogen, grand gases and a

(13:52):
greater electrification was actually going to fill the gap left
by gas. But clearly, as we can see from sharply
increasing prices, they haven't been able to come online fast
enough to offset the de climing supplies and our gas fields.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
And how much have gas price has gone up since
the bank.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
That depends on the specific contracts that gas users have,
but gas prices have risen sharply. And actually the worst
part of that is that the electorcy and gas sectors
are joined by an umbilical. About thirty percent of our

(14:35):
produced gas is used in the electricity sector, so as
you constrain supplies through to the electricity sector, you're going
to get increased electricity prices. And how Switch I think
said earlier this year that they're expecting to see price
increases of around about ten percent on average for residential consumers,
not to mention our larger users.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Right, So where are we at at the moment, John
with Exploration? As I understand, the ban is effectively still
in place. The legislation is still moving through Parliament. What
are the fish hooks there with that legislation.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
It was about actually about getting that legislation right and
put into a state that was workable for the industry,
and so the government's been deliberate about ensuring that it
actually delivers on their desire to revitalize the guess sector. So,

(15:32):
you know, the key part of that legislation, which is
currently in the House and we understand is going to
be passed into law within the next month or so,
it is the reversal of the oil and death span
and a desire to ensure that we have a more
exploration etivity. So basically the purpose of the actors give

(15:54):
the sector back, the runway, back, the ability to invest
in its future, to increase gas production and to place
downward pressure on both gas and electricity prices.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
But if that ban is reversed, can that not just
be put on again, reinstated again by a future government
potentially in eighteen months.

Speaker 6 (16:18):
Yeah, Look, I mean that is obviously the big risk,
and that's what you just talked about. There is called
sovereign risk, and that's effectively a fancy phrase for the
impact on investment of a bad government decision. And so yes,
there is that there is that risk. We have been

(16:40):
very clear with the government that investors in the upstream
sector of the order and gas sector and exploration are
effectively gun shy and will will need we'll need the
government to walk alongside it to ensure that it's investments

(17:01):
are safe. I mean, these are these are quig investments.
You know, if you're looking at offshore, you know you're
looking at over one hundred million dollars as well, and
on shore anywhere from ten to twenty So these are
not insignificant investments in New Zealand's energy future, energy security.
So the sector rightfully wants to be assured that it's

(17:24):
investments are safe, and that's a future government doesn't come
in and say no, sorry, you've invested that for no
good reason. We're going to focus on something else.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
We're talking to John Cagney Carnegie, Chief Executive Energy Resources
at Tierra. Can you just hold with us for a second.
We've just got to nip off to it for an
ad break and we'll be right back to you if
that's call John, because we've got a couple more questions
and then e T one hundred and eighty ten eighty will
take your calls on this.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Twenty six past one back very shortly, putting.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 7 (18:00):
Finals is in the studio. Let's get back to the
budget without giving it away. I get all of that
one hundreds of millions of dollars for the film industry. Fantastic.
You've got money yesterday for Regent. Is it all coming from?

Speaker 2 (18:09):
We have said very clearly that we can invest in
economic growth.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
Yeah, well it's either borrowed or you've got it from somewhere,
which is it?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well, again, I'm not going to get it.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
Why can't you give us that part?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
We're making some serious investments.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Now.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I know you're making investments, but I want to know
where you're getting the dough from and that will be
revealed on because if you're borrowing it, I'm not going
to be happy next week. Well that's fine, we'll have
that conversation next week. We'll so you are borrowing, saying
we're borrowing. I'm not going to give you again thing
on this, and it's going to be a very frustrating
interview for your listeners.

Speaker 7 (18:35):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking Breakfast with
maybe's Real Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
We are joined by John Carnegie, Chief Executive of Energy
Resources Al Tearroa to get to the bottom of, hopefully
this what we do about our oil and natural gas.
It appears natural gas is starting to run out in
terms of supply. John, thank you very much again for
your time.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, as we said before, we're going right back to
the basics. But I've got another very basic question that's
coming through here. Is there a difference in supply chain
around the gas we have in canisters at our houses, barbecue,
you know, plug into our system and the gas being
pumped to be used in industry.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
Yeah, well there is because we've got a natural gas
transmission pipeline that basically takes gas from the Kardaranaki region
then spreads it throughout the North Island. In the South Island,
we have no natural gas network, But what we do
use is a lot of LPG and bottled canisters and

(19:37):
so they know people will be familiar with those. Actually
is looking at the barbecue, that's an LPG canister right
through big canisters that you put on the outside of
your wall, outside your kitchen and use it for your
home eating and water and cooking.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Okay, And look, just going back you talked before about
the runway for the gas industry. Is gas the future
for New Zealand long term? Or are those who worry
about it's perceived damage the climate going to eventually get
their way and shut it down. And in which case
a runway is only going to be so long. And
if this is the case, what is going to replace it?

Speaker 8 (20:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (20:20):
Well, look there are a number of dimentions for that.
Let's let's let's address the climate one to start off with.
I mean, what we've seen in the last couple of
years is increasingly we're doing the reverse of what everyone
else around the world is doing. Everyone else around the
world is shifting from coal to natural gas as a cleaner,
more affordable option. We seem to be moving in our

(20:41):
elocrisity sector from gas to coal. So actually more gas
in our electricity system is an environmental wind. And of
course natural gas is covered as is coal, covered by
the emissions trading scheme and a carbon price, so that
all of the emissions are actually accounted for with respect

(21:04):
to natural gas in terms of in terms of the future.
As I said before, what's so frustrating about the situation
we're in is that New Zealand has abundant natural gas
that can be harnessed to help ensure we have a
thriving economy. We fuel manufacturers and exporters to deliver key
with jobs and prosperity. And unfortunately, what we're seeing around

(21:26):
the most in now is businesses whose contracts financial gas
are rolling off and are getting rate shock effectively are
being told that the gas sector is constrained, supplies constrained,
and that the process are going to go up eventually.

(21:48):
Of course, there will be alternatives. So again, as I
said earlier, there'll be alternatives developed well. Greater electrification obviously
that's the first cab off. The rank some will use
on more LPG and canisters will develop, and that we're
developing and putting into our system on renewable meetane based

(22:14):
of digesting food digesters. So you know, there are a
number of options coming to the table, including batteries, you know,
the electricity system delivering more wind and solar and all
of that is good. The primary issue for us and
why we will always need natural gas in our electricity

(22:34):
system is the fact that we are so water dependent.
And again, as we've all seen over the last couple
of years, as we have dry years, we need something
to fill the gap, and that will be flexible natural gas,
or it certainly should be, and we think that that
will have an ongoing role in our electricity system, a

(22:57):
smaller role, but an ongoing role. We need more natural
gas in our electricity system and for our industries. There
are hard to shift industries as well natural guess.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
And John, just one last question that's come through from
a textra on nine two ninety two. We've got to
go to the news, but just quickly, can you ask John,
if I'm building a new house, should I put in
gas a gas connection or go all electric?

Speaker 9 (23:22):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (23:23):
I mean that's I'd hate to give that advice. But look,
if the government's plans pay off, we will have a
revitalized guess production sector. But also, residential gas is always
a small component of the overall use of gas. There

(23:43):
will always be gas at the residential level.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, John, very interesting, Thank you very much for your time,
really appreciate it. That is John Carnegie, chief executive of
Energy Resources ALT here. All right, so we want to
hear from you on this. I mean, like, John, are
you're about to get into a new build situation, and
you're trying to toss up do I go LPG gas connection?
Do I go electric? And just there was a couple

(24:08):
of tech here about the price rise of LGB LPG
Guess I should say in some parts of the country.
The fellow who takes through said he's gone from at
two hundred bucks to four hundred and thirty bucks.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are you being
affected by the rise and gas prices? And what do
you think about this whole thing?

Speaker 3 (24:25):
It airs twenty six to two.

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Speaker 3 (25:44):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, And we're talking about the
reversal of the oil and natural gas ban. It is
still moving its way through Parliament the expectations it will
become law in approximately a month's time. But we want
to hear from you if you're in the industry, if
you rely on natural gas for your workplace or industry, oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. And on the residential level,
are you worried for your LPG, either reticulated gas or bottles?

(26:09):
Have you seen the price rise substantially over the last
few years.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Well, this is an interesting fact that gas does about
the equal amount of generation of power in our country
as electricity. So if we're going to get rid of
the natural gas, then we're going to have to double electricity.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
If we can't do that, we do not well we could,
we just don't have the money.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Just half up a wind farm, which should be sweet
as Steve your thoughts on.

Speaker 11 (26:32):
This, Yeah, good morning guys. I think it's a pretty
tough ass to even if we change the law, international
investment companies are with the uncertainty of a left wing
government potentially getting in in the future. You know, these
sorts of investment projects take years to come into fruition
before they're actually bearing fruit. And the fact that the

(26:53):
rug could get pulled out underneath any given September every
three years. I just think it's a tough art. What
I think we should be doing the government should be
doing it themselves, you know, developing some skill set. We've
got some skill set already. It's an employment opportunity. I
think there could be skills development as a mentioned, get

(27:14):
high school workforce, and if the government invested, there's and
there's a whole bunch of employment, local employment that's based
on it, that's reliant one. I think the likelihood of
a left wing government the going and and canseling that
gets missed.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
So you think, because we've invested and it'll be harder
because I just hear that, and I go, well, if
they're willing to just put a ban on it, then
they might just be as willing to just pull back funding.
But you think that because because I mean, they didn't
seem to worry about the job losses and the effect
of the economy when they did it last time.

Speaker 11 (27:49):
But I think if it's been if it's local government money,
government funding and are talking about spending more, they are
not talking about spending more. They always spend more and
talking about raising taxes is the only way to get
that money. Whereas, if you've got an industry where all
the profits are being retained hocally, you've got more control
over of the wholesale market if you're a major part

(28:10):
of that and just make it a state owned enterprise,
and that helps boost our independence and less reliance on
a global arm you know, on on on global players.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
I mean, it sounds like a lot of it makes
a lot of sense. Do we have the capital though,
and the expertise to be doing that ourselves? Steve, I mean,
I love the idea of it, but I just think
the billions and billions of dollars these overseas guys have
invested in the equipment and expertise. Can we compete with that?

Speaker 11 (28:37):
Don't I'd look at again, if you take a longer term,
I would say no. But you couldn't say the same
with hydro or any other power things that we've done
in the past. I think, you know, if you have
we have to stop taking three six nine year views
of things, look at the absolute long term, and you know,
this should be one of the you know that that
energy independence should be one of the things that the

(28:59):
parties financially get across party alignment on and go. This
is a this is a means to an end here,
and it's you know, it is not that catastros of
environmental impact when you have a look at it other
other options out there. I think there's just the emotional
thing of messing with the you know, doing a bit
of drilling, you know, but the emissions from burning LPG

(29:20):
is CO two, you know, I just think that feeds
the plants we've got, you know, just find some some
balancing way to neutralize that. And I just think when
they take the longer term, do we think.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Thank you for your call, Steve, appreciate that, but I
think what you're up against there if you have that opinion,
is that there's some people and a large percent of
the population that are just ideologically opposed to fossil fuels
and so they will just look to shut the down
no matter what. But I mean that goes up against this.
Texas says without cheap accessible power, no economy will flourish ever,

(29:57):
and that that's such a that's you know, if we
if we don't, you know, we talk about productivity in
a country and our lack of productivity and how low
we are down in the OBCD countries in terms of productivity.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
One way you can increase productivity is having cheap power
source for your country, and one way you can lower
productivity is having a shaky, old, dirty old power supply.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah. But one of the Fishocks says, I understand it.
With this legislation that is going through parliament with Shane
Jones wanted insurance for these companies that if there was
a new government that came in, they turned around after
eighteen months or three years and said, hey, we don't
like fossil fuels fossil fuels anymore, so we're going to
ban it. You guys get lost that then we as
a country and the government would pay these companies billions

(30:40):
of dollars. And I actually think I'll probably in favor
of that. That if they're going to take a risk
and punt here and we can get a commission on
what they find, then we've got to be held liable
if we decide to change our minds. That's the only
way to get these guys coming back.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Right. But what do you say, Yeah, eighty ten to
eighty are you worried about our guest supply? Is it
affecting you currently in your business? I'd love to hear
from you one hundred eighty ten eighty seventeen.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
A fresh take on took back.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
It's Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons have your say on eight
hundred eighty youth talk the afternoon.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
It is fourteen two two and we're talking about oil
and natural gas within New Zealand. Our supply has taken
a big hits over the last quarter. As you can
expect after the twenty eighteen oil and natural Gas band,
So what can we do to turn that around? Our
eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to
call esh you reckon we screwed up?

Speaker 8 (31:36):
Yeah mate, Yeah, I'm vefitable by the whole climate change scenario.
It's sort of like a coult. We'll call them the
evy angelicals. I think we should be drilling hard out
for both to ensure finacial security and for by stability
all our own resources that are available in terms of
oil and natural gas, which if you include the Great

(31:59):
Southern Basin of that potentially I know it's very deep,
but potentially there could be a lot of oil there.
Encouraging everyone to buy evs and power them with cheap
Indonesian coal. I think I heard last year we've used
six times as much as we did the year before,
or something might have been a year ago, which seems

(32:20):
ridiculous to me e given that we've got high grade
goals here right here in New Zealand if we were
going to go down that road. But EV's have got
some real toxic and human ethics implications, you know, cobalt
minds and listening and put little kids dying and stuff
like that in Africa, and that seems the aakay with them.

(32:43):
They're not worried about that, are driving a queen a
green wagon And look, solar panels and EV batteries end
up god know as well. A lot of them are
gone listening even here in New Zealand. And it introduces
heavy metals into the ocean just on the.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Because we don't want a topic creep too much. Yes,
because on the question of EVS, regardless of how you
feel about that technology, you need electricity to be able
to charge up evs. So the fact that we don't
have natural gas and the supplies of dwindling to be
able to feed into that network, you know it kind
of it doesn't. The more EV's the worse for news

(33:21):
enand really tapping into that network network when we don't
have the reserves to prop it up when we start
to run low.

Speaker 8 (33:29):
Yeah, I agree completely, yeah yeah, And John John was saying, look,
we have got reserves if you just drill for them
off get natural gas and potentially oil as well, and
importing oil. There's a lot of missions produced just running
ships backwards and forwards twenty four to seven to supply
New Zealand with petrea chemicals seems a bit mad if

(33:52):
we do have our own resources. I used to run
an LPG wagon and old jaggs I had on a
vet with a vo and it does have issues, you know,
drives it out and stuff and can't wreck the engine
over time if you're not Cavil. But well, I don't
understand what it was. But such a fuss being made
about these small increments and the global temperatures going up,

(34:16):
and the fact that we're well passed the period of
an integracial which means that Greg Braden scientists geologists. He said,
if we hit the targets they want us to hurt,
we will enter a new ice age and possibly go
back to a snowball Earth like we had a long
time in the past.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Ago.

Speaker 8 (34:35):
Ice ages are not fun times to be alive, you know,
like and there was a time when Earth was completely
ice free and there was never so much life and
so much diversity. Is when even the lights of Antarctica
were ice free.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 6 (34:51):
Esh.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, I think just to go row back to his
original point, Drill baby, drill. Yeah, you've been a.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Fan of that, are you, well? Esh was a big
fan of drill Baby drill. Yeah, one hundred eighty and
eighty drill, baby drill, Drill, baby drill. Are you concerned
about our guest supply into the country, essentially because someone
says here, Matt, Matt, you were wrong, Matt. Electricity generation
isn't fifty percent gas. It's like five to ten percent.
If you consider energy not just electricity, so include petrol

(35:17):
for cars, then yes, it's closer to the middle ground. Now,
what I was saying that if gas is in terms
of the entire power that is generated in New Zealand,
then if it's almost equal and used, it's almost equal,
and that that that is included also in gas being
used to generate electricity. So I guess it's kind of
a complicated equation, but it's almost fifty to fifty in

(35:39):
terms of the amount of energy produced in our country
being from gas and that being used for electricity, and
so you'd have to double the electricity or place gas. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying, But you know, I could be wrong,
but that's what I heard on the my costing breakfast
this morning.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
It was somebody in the industry, Andrew Jeffries, who you know,
somebody was talking about.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Let's find that audio and we'll play that back and
clarify that. Yep, because you know what, I have got
things wrong before. I'm pretty sure you got that right though.
We both wrote down there when it is nine to two.
But we're going to play that audio next.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Alky.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
We'll just let Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls
on Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
EDB, News Talks EDB, and we are talking about oil
and gas in this country. A ban was put in
place in twenty eighteen. The new coalition government is looking
to overturn that. But will the companies come back to
explore for natural gas? That is the big question.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Someone's pushing back and they're blaming me. They're blaming me.
Someone's pushing back on your drill baby, drill talk, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Are they okay? What have they said? Tyler?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Are you sponsored by big oil? There is there's twenty
five years left on existing exploration permits, So I smell
a rat. Don't trust big oil or big or big gas.
And of course the government is in the pocket of
these entities Jamie. So they're saying that Jamie is saying
that you're in the pocket of bloody big oil, and
so's the government. I wish, Jamie worsh I'd love some

(37:09):
of that sweet sweets oil and gas money, but they
don't pay me a sin unfortunately. Okay, So if you
found that audio before, yes, So this was on the
Microsking Breakfast this morning. His name is Andrew Jefferies and
he's the Inchelon Resources CEO.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Here's what he said.

Speaker 12 (37:24):
We have gas provides about the same amount of energy
as electricity does, so you can't do without the gas.
If you wanted to do without the gas, you've got
to double the size of the electrical system for a start.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
There we go, don't say, we don't listen carefully. So
that nailed it.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
So that's where I get my information from there from Yeah,
that actually shocked me, that information that that is quite
I mean, how can we do that? I mean we're
struggling to generate enough electricity right now without importing coal
from overseas to do it. And so until we have
a solution that replaces gas, if that is ever going
to happen, then what are we supposed to do? Are

(38:02):
people supposed to go without? And then what does that
mean for our economy and all the things we want
to do? And who gets hurt the most by this
stuff like staring electricity prices. It's the poorest people in
our country that get hit the worst, exactly.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
And as John Carnegie told us, you know, our renewable
was reliant on hydro, and we are running out of
places that we can generate hydro. So we're going to
carry this on after to o'clock. Love to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We've had a few people
hanging on the lines. We're going to get to you
after the news at two, but if you want to
tip three, you're more than welcome. Nine to nine to

(38:35):
plenty of texts coming through this one from DearS. Guys,
if you actually follow the science, you'll find nuclear is
the cleanest and best option. We've we've talked about nuclear
on this show many many times.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Good luck getting nuclear across the line in New Zealand,
I mean, and no one will listen to that one.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
No, We've tried, all right. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Love to hear your
thoughts on this one. We're going to pick a backup
after news, Sport and weather, which is on its way.
Great to have your company as always, you're listening to
Matt and Tyler. Very very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 13 (39:08):
Gordend Oh the ouge of your name stay in chunk
on your by the angels up in the clouds. Yeah,
that's not when we do.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
It be very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into
the program. Seven past two.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Who was that absolute nerd from some politics talking about
run it before on the news as we addressed a
couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Keep up, run it looks awesome. Yeah, we sorted this
out a month ago.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
That person needs to do some research on what they're
talking about. Watch the game of League lady, Yeah, run it.
I'm gonna go. I wasn't gonna go along, but I'm
gonna go along now just because what she said.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
It's in Auckland this week. I reckon it's going to
be a sellout crowd at that. Yeah, you know, say
what you're well about. You know there's a lot of
people that will come up and say it's bad for
the head and bad for the health, and why are
we encouraging it. There'll be a lot of people that
will turn up to watch it because it's entertaining.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, oh my god, there were so many things. Anyway,
let's let anyway. We've spent about three hours talking about
that a few weeks ago. Let's move on. It's just
amazing how far behind the program that woman on the
news was now all right, okay, we're talking about gay, yes,
oil and guess.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
And it's been a fascinating discussion so far. That's why
we've kept it going. And there's been some great texts
that have come through on nine two nine two to.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
All the boomers saying drill, baby drill or nuclear powersh
they should think about the future. They wouldn't have to
face repercussions when things go wrong. New Zealand wouldn't be
able to handle a Gulf of America oil spill or
a Chernobyl when things go wrong, the consequences. The poor
and vulnerabile always feel the grunt of it. Adam, Wow,
tell you what, Adam, It's pretty agis, isn't it. You're

(41:11):
bigot boomers.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
You're closer than I am.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
It was it was Tyler that was saying, drill, baby,
drill you and everybody does. You're thirty eight, aren't you?

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, thirty nine yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
So to all the millennials saying drill baby, drill?

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Or paid?

Speaker 3 (41:27):
What about the genixes that year, wasn't it? Matt yep
one hundred eighty ten eighty is in number to call? Doug?
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Are you Matty today? Hey? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Doug. Well, you're an independent consultant for a bio energy association.
Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (41:46):
I am indeed so disclosure. I'm a board member of
the bio Energy Association in New Zealand. You've hit the
nail on the head. Basically, we had no plan when
we turned off oil and gas. Gas is a transition
from from coal, as John Carnegie demonstrated. We also now

(42:07):
know from discussions that gas is twenty five percent of
New Zealand's energy requirement. What I'm here to talk to
you about is that bio energy in the form of
solid bow fuel like wood, wood, palettes and terrified wood,
along with biogas where you're digesting food waste into gas

(42:29):
at Reperrah and soon to be christ Church can go
from around nine percent of New Zealand's energy requirements up
to around twenty five percent of New Zealand's energy. So
there is hope, but we cannot turn the gas off.
We need the gas. As you've heard, and by what's
happened in the past is this is impeding sovereign risk,

(42:53):
it's promoting sovereign risk, and we're now turning our companies off.
Think method X, think WPI. Sawmills are just in the
case of the saw milling industry at going from one
hundred and fifty dollars a megawa out to eight hundred
dollars a megawatt. Our peaked last year and we'll be
worse than that this year. A sawmill's electricity bill goes

(43:17):
from five hundred thousand a year to two million. We're
not even making proper that that now not sustainable.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Now, Doug, you say that what percentage is bio energy
at the moment of our needs.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Look, let's call it seven to nine percent, okay, but
we could be twenty five percent. So you've heard Genesis
Energy talking to Mike on the breakfast saying forests are
an energy source specifically there for hydro firming. Right, So
when when I talk about hydro firming, we're saying we're

(43:52):
in a time where there isn't cheap electricity. We need
to use our scarce hydro electricity for keeping the lights
on and the hospital's going, not for dry and milk.
We need to use alternatives which are more expensive, such
things like wood, are solid by fuel, biogases, gear, thermal

(44:15):
holds a lot of prospect, but we need everything. We
can't just be myopic in saying where we need to
all have electric cars. We'd be better to have solar
panels on the roofs of our houses and saving as
much power locally rather than trying to spend two billion
and it'll be six billion by the time we build

(44:37):
a new transmission line between the South Island and the
North Island and trying to use that power locally to
make sure we're maximizing the scarce resource. Because it is scarce.
That's why the price went from one eight hundred dollars
a megaat our. And it's fine for people to say, oh,
we want electric cars, we can't afford it. We're on

(44:59):
a beer budget. But we've got champagne tastboys.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Now, Doug, how long you say so nine and it
could go up to twenty percent? How expensive and how
long would it take to scale up bio energies to
those kind of levels.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Look, it's already happening. You've got many milk powder factories
and drying facilities that are already utilizing wood for thermal heat.
In New Zealand. Fonterra Whiter is a good example of this.
Fonterira Terra Motive. So that's where they've gone from something
like coal, or they've made a decision to say, look,

(45:36):
within the capex, we're not going to put in an
electrode boiler. We're going to put in a wood fuel
for thermal heat. It's not life intensive. You know, the
hospitals are life intensive. Keeping the lights on is life intensive.
So we need to say how do we maximize the
use of scarce power and we need to use things

(45:58):
like wood as an energy source as Genesis said for
hydrate firmin for thermal heat. And you say, how quickly
it's happening now, we just need to do it quicker, guys.
We need your point, Tyler. We don't have enough money
We do have enough money, mate. We've got one hundred
and twenty billion in tea we savor, my friend, we

(46:22):
need about two hundred billion to fix infrastructure, which is
what we're talking about, and we've got the money.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Well, I get if I can get a good return.
Dog com certainly and with my key we saver.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
But there's so Mark you said, you said seven to
nine percent of our energy is biofuel. So a few
people texting through saying that they don't believe that number.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
No, no, because that is thermal heat. So if you're
if you're a sawmill or your fronterira, when you're using
thermal heat to dry milk or dry timber, you're burning
wood waste. In fact, if you're read stag, you're not
only drying your timber, but you're running a coging plant
to put electric electricity back in the grid. Right, So

(47:08):
this is thermal heat which makes up nine percent of
the total energy consumption in New Zealand in the form
of solid biofuels.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Okay, And so the biofuels you're talking about here are
effectively wood pellets, right, are the high energy wood pellets
their industry use.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
It could be wood palets white, or it could be
the new thing, which is terrified wood pellets. What is
that you've read about, So that's essensially what the term
is biocoal, So that is wood that is densified to
four times the calorific value of green wood chip, so
it goes from six gigdules right up to twenty four

(47:51):
digitules per tent, which means it's the equivalent of thermal coal.
And the best thing about black wood pellets is a
repel water. So we've got a whole range of ideas
to be able to solve the issue from solid fuels,
more hydro generation, more get thermal n wind, but the

(48:14):
problem with wind that only blows sixty percent of the time,
and solar panels on the roof of our houses, so
we're minimizing transmission loss.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, I mean, I guess the interesting as people are
talking about when when you do build solar panels, you
do have to pull a bunch of stuff out of
the ground to build those solar panels. But yeah, thank
you so much for you call.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Doug.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Appreciate that Wayne says, isn't wood just really young coal?
Well it is way and yeah, but the thing is
that the coals coming out of the ground. And the
thing about these fuels that are based on wood is
that's already above the ground. So if you care about
carbon emissions, it's neutrals when it's something that's been grown
above the ground, if you get my understanding, as opposed
to pulling up carbon that has been stored under the

(48:54):
ground from previous times, which is what Doug's talking about.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Doug and I'm just having to look at at a
story here from March that a large scale biofuel plant
will be built in central nor North Island is a
source of wood pellets. Good news for people like Doug.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the numbered.
Calls some good texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yeah, we have all the skills. There is ongoing oil
and gas and germal juio thermal drilling happening right now,
supported by Kiwi businesses, the likes of USA based companies
Hilliburton and Slumsburger, Slumburger, Slumburger. That's a good name, Slumburger.
You changed your name from slumburger. If that's a name
of the company.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
You know, even if your last name, don't use it
for your business name. Oh, it's even worse. Slumber Slumberg, Plumbrug.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Have bases here, and employee kiwis.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Yeah, there it's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Sorry for you know, we need nuclear small reactor would
power all of Auckland, plenty of nearby sheep farms not
making any money from their land. These seventies and eighties
protests in New Zealand were not necessarily against nuclear power
per se. They were against the US declaring which ships
had nuclear weapons on them, which the US wouldn't do
because then the Soviets would know, so their warships couldn't
come here. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we've talked a lot

(50:07):
about nuclear power on the show.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah, we have keep those ticks and calls coming in. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is seventeen past two.
Back in the month.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Your home of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
Call, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty US Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Good afternoon, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
You need to apologize for the good people at Slumberge.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yeah, apparently that's how you pronounce it, not not Schlumberger.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
And yeah you were called you started calling them slumburger,
this company that's hiring people in New Zealand, in the
in the oil and gas industry.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Yeah, so sorry too. How do you say schlumbouge.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
And actually, while I'm telling you're forgetting something wrong, let's
find out exactly what slumburge they do. Yeah, they're not Slumburger,
so I said. I said, if they're called slumburger, then
they would change their name pretty quickly. You'll be right
down the office, slate finish melle. You'd be down the
office the next day getting that change.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
This is we've got to do something here about this name.
But it's not what we thought in So sorry to
Lumberget and the people of Germany as well. It's a
fine language and you don't need to change anything. So
it turns out Slumbershet is a global technology company. It's
known for its innovative solutions in the energy sector, particularly
in oil and gas, and its efforts to decarbonize industries
and develop new energy systems. They are a major player

(51:26):
in the field of oil field services.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Slumburger for the wind this, Texas says, how is cutting
down forests that observe carbon and burning wood better than
burning coal net increase on CO two emissions? No, See,
that's what you misunderstanding is that this is already part
of the system. It's neutral because it's grown in the
current environment. So if you pull coal from the ground,
or what you're doing now is they're pulling coal from

(51:50):
the ground in Indonesia and then we're shipping it here
and burning it. But that's from the past. And what
if you think about carbon, whether whether you're worried about
it or not, and the majority of people texting through aren't,
But if you are worried about the amount of carbon,
then burning forests wood, that's all part of the system
that's existed. You're not pulling the system from the past

(52:10):
and the coming from the past and letting it go.
And also, I mean you will grow the forests and
you know you'll grow the forest to cut them down
to burn them.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
That's the renewable side.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Absolutely, get a lads. Many years ago I worked at
a commercial bread factory, producing thousands of loaves of bread
each day. The oven was powered by gas. Gas goes
up and price bread goes up. Remove gas and the
oven needs to change and the price of that product
goes up. That hurts everybody. Drill, baby, drill.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Okay, there you go. Bio fuel was not viable, and
the long term says this text. It takes years to
grow trees and less than a day to burn. Plus
removing trees will not help global COTO levels. This is
how this is not something you know the first half
of it. Yeah, I'm sure trees do take a long
time to go.

Speaker 10 (52:55):
We know that.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
But you know, across the entire forest. You think about this,
and you grow enough trees and then there are always
every day across the full magnitude of the forest, they're
growing a certain amount that you can use. But yeah,
as I said before, the sea two levels, it's neutral.
Burning a tree is neutral. Do these numb heads who
want nuclear power here realize how much it would cost

(53:16):
to build and more important how long it would take.
We would be back in the ice age before it
was built. As for clean energy, ask Europe how clean
it is when things go bad? Shere's boys Andrew. Yeah,
but they are there is huge growth. We were talking
about this the other day. And these modular reactors, these
modulare nuclear power stations about the size of a shipping

(53:37):
container that are predicted to be coming online very very soon,
which sort of changed the whole market on it, so
you know, rather than having to build a bespoke springfield
type nuclear power station, you ably have these modular ones
that can be put together and mass produced and at
the price of them will come.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Down exactly right. Thank you very much to everyone who
called and phoned on that one. Interesting this Skulship.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Sex says, your argument is total crap and you're an
absolute muppet. The trucking, et cetera. This is the same
for wood as coal, John Clark, argument around it is
already in the environment. Total crap. You're an idiot Fonterra
are going echo boiler and importing the biofeud. What a
load of rubbish.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Well, okay, far out, but that's angry.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
I didn't say anything about that. I was saying that
I was answering the question of why burning wood is
not the same as pulling coal out of the ground.
And so even if you agree with what this text says,
it's very abusive text says, then the same is true
of the coal. Getting the coal out of the ground
and the trucking and etc. Is still there, absolutely still there.

(54:46):
But the next stage of it is releasing carbon from
the past as opposed to something that's grown now which
is releasing carbon from the current time.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Exactly there you go text.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
But I do agree that I am a muppet.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
So you got that one right, yeah right. Coming up
very shortly, we've got another topic on the table. We
want to talk about graffiti. It is twenty four pasts
two beg very s Sorly.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
On matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty on youth talk zby It.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Is twenty seven pass too, right, Let's have a chat
about graffiti. Do you know the fellow who goes by
the name pork Many who spend time in Auckland will
be aware of this vandal by his name. He goes
by pork or porker or poor key. He doesn't spell
those things right of course. That appears in graffiti on buildings,
bridges and trains and walls all over the city. So

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over the past fourteen months, a total of two hundred
and ninety eight graffiti incidents they call it, have been
identified relating to this particular vandal. Auckland Council said. So
the individual whose identity is obscured records keeps a record
of his activity on social media. He tags it in
video on Instagram, sometimes shot by a drone flying nearby

(56:02):
above rushing traffic, as he adorns motorway signs with his
name Pork or pork key.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
How many? How many did you say? How many is
pork blasted up? How many is how many pork?

Speaker 3 (56:12):
You're just shy on three Hunding.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeah, and that's all over the shop, hasn't it. Pork's
been down the South Island. You know, we've got texts
four from Wellington. He's been all over the shop. So
just show three Hunding and he's posting all the stuff
on Instagrammy, he's hitting the drones up. Why can't some
young buck detective new to the force just take it
on themselves to find Pork? If I was in the
in the business of law enforcement, I would love that

(56:36):
that would be like an episode of it, you know,
just following the clues and finding who Pork is and
then busting.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Give me the case, chief, I'm on this one. Give
me the case.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Why deputize man, I'll find Pork for you. I'd love
to get involved. Maybe maybe, actually that's not a bad
idea for an investigative podcast. If someone's listening.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Find Pork, Find Pork, Finding Pork, Why did you say
we could have kept that?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
You know, Finding pork. That's a great podcast, Finding pork
and then interviewing them anyway, and then Taseringhm, is there
any worth in pork being written porky? That's the question.
A lot of people talk about graffiti, and they say, well,
why you're so annoyed about it? Why are people so
annoyed about it? It's it's just urban art, they say, So,
is there some work? I mean, it's He's not exactly

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pork isn't exactly banksy is he? He's not making any
kind of statement with it. It's not art that you
would cut off and be able to sell, you know,
late anytimes banks He covers a piece of plywood, someone
cuts it off, and then banks He certifies it and
gets held for millions of dollars. So pork is an
artistic in that regard. But there is there any intrinsic
value in writing pork? Nearly three hundred times up and

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down the country.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
I think the difference between pork or Porky and banks
he is is bank Banksy at least is a bit
thoughtful with what he is graffiting, Is that the right word.
What he is spray painting onto a wall is very
thoughtful and very deep, and that is what makes it art.
Whereas this muppet is just writing the same thing over
and over and over again. It doesn't really matter how

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how colorful it is.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Now, look, I've got a confession to make that I
will I'll make a bit later on, But are you
a current or recovering graffitis? Because it'd be interesting to
get inside the head of what you get out of
doing that. What do people get out of graffiti for themselves?
What is the psychology behind it? And because for me
it seems like some kind of mental illness. If you

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feel the need to go out at night and spend
so much time just writing the same name over and
over again, do you get some kind of buzz when
you see it out there? Do you feel like you're
affecting the world, that you're being heard because you're not
getting heard. Pork's getting heard, and people don't know who
Pork is. Because as soon as we know who Pork is,
we're going to charge them with three hundred pieces of vandalism.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Yeah, do something productive with your life, Pork. It's a
lot of man now, is, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:53):
So two hundred and ninety eight graffiti incidents that are
known about, and let's extrapolate that out. Say it takes
to set it all up, get the drone up in
the sky, take the photo of it, post it up
on Instagram, each of those incidents maybe six hours of
this time maybe, So then how many man hours is that?

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I mean, geez, you could feel like any degree you'll
if you look at his Instagram some of the time
he's stealing the paint, so he's not spending money of that.
But if you've put that kind of creativity and focus
and risk taking towards something productive, then you could probably
doing quite well for yourself pork. Yeah, Instead, you're just
slowly building up a case against you where you will

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eventually get caught in charge. Another question on O E.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is what the punishment
you think should be for this?

Speaker 3 (59:37):
And don't say tasering. I mean tasering can be part
of it, but we want other punishments as well. Oh
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you have been
a graffiti artist in the past, love to hear from
you what do you get out of it? Is it
just street cred? And where is the line, because I
think it's a fair point, Matt. Where is the line
between straight up graffiti that just pisses us off versus

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something that you look at and think that's actually not
too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, So to text to ending in five to three,
how stupid do you think I am? I'm not going
to fall for that one?

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Which one's that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
I'm not going to do it? But it was clever.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
I nearly did.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Okay, well done. It is twenty nine to three. One
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Speaker 10 (01:01:41):
Back now to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Thank you very much. Ray Lane. We're talking about graffiti
versus tagging.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Sardre says, I think that graffiti adds interest. Also, pork
is becoming well known. I think it's creative and clever.
There's worse things he could be doing. Well, there's definitely
worst things he can be.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Absolutely that is very fair on that point, But you
know he.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Doesn't does his freedom to be creative and make a
name for himself overright the property rights of the rest
of us.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
If it was your fence where the study old pork
has been spray painted on, would you feel happy about that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah? And as I said before, I've got a confession
that I need to make from a misspent youth.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
And it's going to be good. Do we need to
get the taser ready?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I probably need to be tasted for that. Ben, you
want to put forward a bit of a defense for
graffiti and tagging.

Speaker 14 (01:02:29):
Well, first I want to ask you guys a question.
I just want to say, have you ever written on
anything Matt or Tyler? Was here written Matt rules or
Tyler rules with.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
A with a Z yep.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
It?

Speaker 11 (01:02:50):
Do you know that?

Speaker 14 (01:02:51):
Look? You used to you used to do break our arms,
break our leagues and we had a cast and or
someone else did and we all wrote on it. It
just goes back to those It just goes back to that.
And enough from from past experience. But I mean there
was people you know, back in those days, in the
nineties there was people I ask you, there was people

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like scheme ta kid, there was oh he turned out
to Yeah, these guys later on become decipher that kids
in New York. I've been all over the show doing
murals that we see around right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
So I'm just having one of those names scheme Is
he an American artist?

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
Is he?

Speaker 14 (01:03:39):
I don't There was there was debate over who was
the first. Well, obviously it was American after that, after
that movie Colors came out. But I think it also
goes back to, you know, for me, it was a
you know, I grew up a bit of a hard
knocked life and in the streets of christ Church, and
we had our crew, you know, we were you know,

(01:04:00):
and and we had our territory, and so it came
down to that and and it was it was, you know,
used to get capped. There was when someone crossed your
name out, but used to get bussed. That was when
they come and cleaned it and hang on, sorry dogs
that what's the dogs name? Dog's name is Dillyan Norma.

(01:04:24):
They had their third birthday yesterday. They've both got treats
and fighting over them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Some good boys.

Speaker 14 (01:04:35):
This is sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
What was the name of the dog, Dillian Norma and
so so there was a bunch of things that happened
out there is part of it when you were out there,
you know, tagging and such. Ben was part of it.
That it is illegal and that you can get in
trouble with it, and the and the danger of it

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and the adrenaline of doing it and not getting caught.

Speaker 14 (01:05:01):
There was no They've never dawned on me until they
came a homeowner and got my a the g and yeah,
got a job and one and then got away from
that life. But it never dawned me until I got
my own property and the karma. Karma hasn't come on
way yet.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
But yeah, so when when you're been, when you're saying
you're out about when you when you're out and about Ben,
there wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
You didn't have any fear at all when you're when
you were tagging.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
When your men, I.

Speaker 14 (01:05:32):
Used to have I used to get big I used
to get the big old, the big ups because I
come from a country background, and so we used to
do the lambs.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:05:44):
He would give them a number and we'd match them
up to mom. And so we had the different colored
we had. I had my arsenal. Honestly, everyone was going
to trying to flog the ones from the hardware store
and whatever. They couldn't town. I just used to go
home or to one of the uncles or aunt, and
it was just like, oh, smooth, pink, green, purple, and

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take them in town, make money off them.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
So what was your a hero?

Speaker 14 (01:06:10):
What was your And I'm sorry to anybody who's property
that I've damaged, but that was what it was about.
It was a claim to fame.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
It was that I am here.

Speaker 14 (01:06:21):
Nothing, and look at me, I'm something, and the better
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
So it's just doing so being it's sort of declaring
that you exist. You're in this situation where you feel
like you don't have much agency in your life and
you feel like you're not really being noticed, and so
by doing your tag, it's like declaring to the world
that you exist.

Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
This is it.

Speaker 14 (01:06:44):
I just nothing else?

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Mad?

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Yeah? And what what what was your What was your tag? Name?

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Ben?

Speaker 14 (01:06:53):
I've thought about this. I thought, should I give them
a real name? That No, I won't do anybody to know.
I don't want to. I don't want to. I know
they've taken photographs of those and looking for them probably
still looking for that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
The thing is Jeremy. The thing is Jeremy. I use
a different name, thinks Jeremy. No one will be able
to put the two together because because you know, there's
there's no there's no crossover there.

Speaker 14 (01:07:19):
Every time it just become about getting it better and
better and better and perfecting it. But it was always
the same thing, and you just come out of the ways.
But the real thing became was about where where it
was done. You know, I look up these days, you know,
these guys up on up on high rises, and I
think to myself, Man, there's no way I'll go up
there and hang off the side of How did you

(01:07:40):
do that?

Speaker 10 (01:07:40):
You know?

Speaker 14 (01:07:41):
It just there's that, there's that and that and that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Can we try? Can we try? And gis you tag.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
You went Casso?

Speaker 6 (01:07:50):
Were you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Bean beg bean beg Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
So so you say that you've you know, you've obviously
this was in your past and you wanted to be
heard back then. But you know, as you were alluding
to before, you've probably got a big beautiful fence on
your house now, and if someone came in and wrote
pork on it and big letters, you know, at your workplace,
or your business health.

Speaker 14 (01:08:12):
I'm a joiner, so my fence is the best things
glued and brew, not just nails and a bit of
h but three, I've got native timber in there. You know,
it's a it's a it's as a hardwood rights.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
How you feel about it?

Speaker 14 (01:08:31):
I would, I'd put a frame around it, around I
put the the led lights around it. I would make it.
I would make it known. Well, thanks you come on,
come on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
I don't know. If beks he does your feeling, then
you're a rich man. Yeah he thanks so much for
your court col Ben and and got on you for
your courage of your convictions. And look there's a bit
of heat coming on the text machine.

Speaker 14 (01:08:56):
But you know, I think that that that I understand.
But look a lot of the boys have become famous
and and all the artists you look around town. Come
those coroaches, Jason kidwell up on the up on light
up on the wall there and needs it done by
my old friends who we started out describing our names
and putting met was here and Tyler was here on
underneath their school disc.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Yeah yeah, my tag is all over Nowson College. Don't
get me wrong, just not on anybody else's fence.

Speaker 6 (01:09:23):
The dork?

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
It was dork?

Speaker 6 (01:09:24):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Okay? Thanks Ben? Thanks for your Call's what a great
call I had. Hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're a
reformed tager like Ben, would love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Look at Sandra. Ben is spot on. Honestly, if pork
painted my fence, I'd be stoked.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Right with there, ego Pork. If you're listening, Sandra's up
for it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Well, maybe people can start a register of places they
want to be tagged, some kind of app where you
go tag my tag me ye, that'll be the name
of it, and then.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
Go and do them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
So you're not doing good ideas today, an't you?

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
So you're not tagging or painting stuff that doesn't belong
to you or people don't want to do it. So
I want you to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
love to hear from you. It is sixteen to two
three the big.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything between
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams.

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
Afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
It'd be afternoon two you fourteen to three. Witties sit
on graffiti or tagging and where's the line between being
an artist or just a vandal? Pork You may have
seen him around Auckland or his tag anyway. A total
of two hundred and ninety eight graffiti incidents have been
identified relating to Porker or poor Key, and he certainly
gets around by the sounds of it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
I know an artist that paints on road cones consider
that a public service? Yeah, I mean there's a lot
of people complaining, you know, about the how ugly tags
and graffiti is, But boy, how ugly are road cones?

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Pretty it up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
I mean road cones, the overconing and the over safety
advising of you know, in the whole traffic management that
is being imposed ridiculously and just by some people's clever
way to make money off off governments.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
That's ugly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
That is ugly, and it does contribute to the feel
of urban decay.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Nobody would care of Pork went after road cones, though,
would they.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Okay, So here we go. Here's the text. Hey guys,
make sure you check out what my good mate knit
sewer a graffiti art looks like they're masterpieces. He paid
to do it. The schools all over Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
I've just had a we look at it is beautiful work.
I just turned around. This is Nitsur. I think I've
got his Instagram page. But that is stunning, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
But that is But this is the thing that someone's
texting out. People are confusing the difference between a mural
and graffiti. So a mural is organized and it's put
in a place where people want it and then it's done,
and it can be art and it can be beautiful
and it can make cities better. Like gosh, the beautiful
works that have been put up on the walls in
my hometown of Dunedin, orso in christ Church, some beautiful

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murals out and about in Auckland as well. That's that's
a very different issue. If someone's an artist, then they've
given a wall to draw on and paint on. Then
then then then wicked. It's it's a very very different thing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Simon.

Speaker 15 (01:12:03):
You're not a fan nah Grafiti, but I am in
agreement as well. You've just did it. But someone's been
asked to do a mural and it's in a graffiti
style old and I'm just going to pass some graffiti. Now,
who's riffo and names they come up with. But I
went to school back in the nineties, and I'm trying

(01:12:25):
not to sound like some old fart here, but there
was like when the graffiti first come out, didn't first
come out them. But I remember guys I went to
school with, and I went to a Catholic private school,
and we'd be on the bus and they'd be pointing
out their tags. And these are guys that live with
mommy and daddy in suburbia, you know, and one had
a star something, and they're all trying to be like

(01:12:46):
some glorified streak kid. And I remember back then thinking, oh,
hell sad man. You know, it's like it's like a
dog pisses up a lamp post the market's territory. It
just and it makes it look crap.

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:13:01):
There's a big, huge difference between a mural and graffiti
that's done as an art peat that's been and been
given a theme and it looks good and due all
over the world and just tagging our wolves and it
makes everything look like that opening scene out of Once,
We're Worrious.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Now, do you have any sympathy for what Ben was
saying before? Around him growing up and he had a
pretty tough child and he just felt like no one
in the world knew anything about him. And it was
just a way to say, basically the world, I'm here
and have some impact on the world, give himself some power.
Do you have any sympathy for that?

Speaker 15 (01:13:38):
No, go for the energy into a sport or something creative.
Graffiti is destructive. Ben should be out there with a
bucket right now. And I reckon he probably did about
eight hundred graffiti tags. He should have to scrub off
at least three hundred right now. I don't care who
they are. There had to be some tenants if you've
changed your way, Ben. Ben's changed his ways because he
knows what it's like to buy something and pay a

(01:14:00):
mortgage now. So a little bit of a personal pain
gives you a muscle memory of I don't want that
tag now. So it just makes everywhere look crap. And
the worst one that comes to mind is when they
built the Westfield Mall and New Market and going across
the motorway, you saw the graffiti that went up there.
A couple of months afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
I didn't, but yeah, it looked horrible.

Speaker 15 (01:14:25):
And I'm a trade and someone went to a lot
of chouble to make that look good, and it just
straight away you're driving along going that looks quite good,
and the thing looks that actually built a bloody moll.
That doesn't look like a glorified toilet. And then they
went and ruined it straight away.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
And there's some absolute scam that, you know, like we're
talking about murals before. I've seen it a few times.
A beautiful mural is painted and it looks incredible, is it?
You know it can be actually a work of art,
and then someone will just come and white spray paint
and write their stupid name on it. Yeah, right across thee.

Speaker 15 (01:15:02):
Think they're going to be the next banks Ki.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
It's a massive dog move doing that though, wasn't it.
But so I'm in honesty. I mean we're almost out
of time here. But sometimes when you see say a
bit of graffiti or tagging near the train tracks, do
you not sometimes look at some of that tagging and
think that takes.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
You not bad?

Speaker 10 (01:15:20):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
No, I never do.

Speaker 15 (01:15:22):
I go, you've just made us look like urban jungle.
When quite frankly, if you've got good train tracks, a
few trees been planned, it always makes things look a
bit nice with that flack, But graffiti always, no, it
brings me down. I look at it and I go,
it just looks crap y.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Yeah, well, thank you, Paul Simon. Here's a question for
people like eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We're talking
about pork. He's all over the place, nearly three hundred
graffiti's in the last year running pork around the country.
Is it worse for you if it's on private property
than public property? I mean public property. We all own it,
and we've all spent our taxpayers and rates money has
gone towards building these things. But do you feel more

(01:16:00):
angry about public or private property someone writes their big
tag on it. So if someone's just got a know,
a fence in their house, paying off their mortgage, and
someone comes and writes a massive pork along the fence
for some reason, for me, that is more aggravating, even
though we all collectively own the other piece, the public
stuff that's sting tags.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
of call love to hear your thoughts to that question?
It is seven to three.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
The issues that affect you and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
A bit of fun along the way, Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams Afternoons news.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
Talk Z be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Good afternoon. It is five to three. We're gonna pick
this back up after the three o'clock news. Couple of texts, Lads,
what about the most famous tag Albato chairs Michael the Milkman. Yeah,
Albarto certainly was very famous in the world of the Simptons.
Vandals are a waste of space and a waste of

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time for all the councils cleaning up after them, lock
them up, taste them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Here has penalty should be having to clean up all
his gibberish while having a drone hold them up there
by his undies. So that's the weidgie approach.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
I'd love to watch that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Yeah, punishment a hundred leashings with a strip of bacon
for Pork's is he.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
So far?

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
I reckon?

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
I reckon? I could I could take one hundred lessons
with a strip of bacon.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Yeah, well maybe cooked bacon, that raw bacon, A nice,
nice big strip with a bit of fat on it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Pork has probably got graffiti all over the North Island
as I have seen it around Rangy Tiki as well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Yeah, well, this old documentary on pork. And there's always
a chance at this copy cut copycat Pork's as well. Yeah,
very true, copy pigs, copy pegs. But we'll keep talking
about this after the news.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
One hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to call,
love to hear from you on this one. It is
four minutes to three new Sport and weather coming up.
Of course you're listening to matt and Tyler. Very good
afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Is a little goods something madd.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby News talk Ed.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Be welcome back into the show, and we're talking about
graffiti or tagging however you view it. It is after
pork or porky or porker. He he's got an Instagram
page and he loves to post up videos of his graffiti.
But he is had a total of nine hundred, sorry,
nine hundred, two hundred and ninety eight graffiti incidents that

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have been identified by Auckland Council. So that is prolific.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Yeah, and apparently there's a documentary on pork. This this
graffitist you'd think a detective would be able to track
him down if someone actually some young buck, as I
said before, joined the police force and wanted to find
out who Pork was and you know, make him face
the full extent of the law for us for his graffiting.
And you think they could do it. But I keep

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trying to look up what the pork documentary is called,
and the closest I've got is Korean pork Belly Rhapsody,
the documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
That sounds like a very tasty documentary.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
I can't get past documentaries on pork, trying to find
a documentary on pork. This Texas is Graffiti is never
acceptable anywhere, and most government or council buildings are now
nowadays rents of private owners. They are just vandals, always
crapping at if the building I volunteer at is on
the windows walls, they don't care who's probably it is. Okay,

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that doesn't quite make sense, but I think what they
meant to say is that they're always scraping it, not
crapping it off the windows.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Yeah, I think the anger of this text so they
got the best of them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Give your penalties whatever the age of the offender is
paint them for years all over so everyone can see
what a holes the vandals they are.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Oh like a scarlet letter situation, like paint them all over.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Well, I don't know if that because someone before the
break suggested that the punishment for pork Court should be
one hundred lessings with a strip of bacon.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
And you said you'd be up for that, and everybody
who heard that. So just on the record, met would
like to be whacked a hundred times with a piece
of bacon.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
I think I got enjoy it. Yeah, as long as
I could eat the bacon, make a bacon buddy later
on to be fine. Carl, Welcome to the show. So
you know about this pork documentary?

Speaker 8 (01:20:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:20:35):
Mate, Yeah, full time pork that's what it's called, if
you look it up on YouTube. Documentary.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
So not Korean pork belly reps.

Speaker 16 (01:20:44):
Korean barbecue pork belly.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
You're wrong, then, a full time and you've seen it,
have you?

Speaker 16 (01:20:51):
I have seen it, and I know someone associated with
producing it. It's actually a really well produced clip, so
it's worth to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:21:01):
I don't agree with graffiti on private property. I agree
with mural artwork. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you haven't watched it,
swear to watch. I've seen his tags all around Auckland.
I drive around Auckland on stuff every day. Yep, for
a living. What he has done has.

Speaker 14 (01:21:21):
Cost us as tech is ridiculous.

Speaker 16 (01:21:23):
Amount of money just so he can be noticed by
his friends and colleagues. Yeah, it's it's pretty weird.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
I've just had a wee look at an article about
this documentary. It looks like a good watch. Cal but
I love a week quote by Pork when he was asked,
so why why why? He said? When asked why he
does this? Why hang off buildings, risking my life, risking
my freedom, he responded, someone's got to do it, bro,
I don't know. That's a great reason.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Well, I mean it's kind of it's kind of like
it's kind of like sir ed, but not quite as worthy.

Speaker 16 (01:21:55):
Yeah, it's a good key, good key with saying by
the sounds of that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Yeah, I'd say someone doesn't have to do it. But
it's interesting because I'm just looking at pictures from this documentary.

Speaker 15 (01:22:02):
You could.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I mean, if if someone wanted to track him down,
obviously the documentary makes.

Speaker 16 (01:22:07):
I would say he's been caught for format.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Come on, yeah, I mean surely. I mean, like, I'm
just looking at pictures from the documentary with his face blurred.
He's not. He's not the youngest guy in the world.
It's not like a no, he looks like his age.
He's what's that? You can tell me? It tells you
his age.

Speaker 16 (01:22:21):
He tells you his age on there. I can't remember
I watched this is going back about a year ago?

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Thirty?

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Is he thirties forties?

Speaker 16 (01:22:28):
Be it'd be going well he's oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
so I think it was twenty seven when I watched it,
so well over if you listen to his voice, it listens,
it sounds like he's yeah, mid thirties.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Right, yeah, right, and he's got he's kind of got
like a sort of stoop stooped posture of a person
that's giving.

Speaker 16 (01:22:46):
On about yeah, not being raced or anything.

Speaker 15 (01:22:50):
But he's a white boy.

Speaker 6 (01:22:52):
What does he do? What does he do?

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Does he mention his day job? I suppose not exactly,
but does he say what he does outside of tagging?

Speaker 15 (01:22:59):
This is a day job? Right, is a day job?

Speaker 16 (01:23:02):
If you watch it, everything we explained, if you just watch.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
It, mate, Okay, sick of the questions.

Speaker 16 (01:23:09):
We don't have time, so I can't quote from what's.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Okay, okay, cool?

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Thanks for your cool after stop asking, Carl, you know,
just go and watch it kill you, Tyler, to go
back in time and watch it before we do this subject.
There would be the basic level of research you should
have done.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Full time pork is what it's called, give pork.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Twenty hours community service, removing tags for every offense committed.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Yeah, that's solid, it's pretty logical.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Actually, the type of graffiti that is acceptable and cracks
me up is the depictions of the mail downstairs being
drawn on election billboards. So that's what that person.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
I think the country could probably get behind that argument.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
To be honest, Well, I mean everyone enjoys when it's
on the party they're not voting for, doesn't it, But
then it gets incredibly outraged when it's on their on
their side.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
If a tag makes you laugh, I mean, does that
then transition it to art? If art makes you feel something,
I'd argue yes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Yeah, I mean, let's not get it into their debate
of what is art? I mean, what's the name du
com Michelle du Kahm will join the chat, then, wouldn't he?

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call graffiti. How do you feel about it?
And how do you feel about this one individual here
goes by the name Pork two hundred and ninety eight
incidents in Auckland alone, but he has been spotted up
and down the country. What should be the punishment be
for these sort of taggers? And if you're a reformed
graffiti artist or tagger, I'd love to hear from you.

(01:24:36):
It is thirteen past three News talks ed be good afternoon,
Shielder is sixteen past three, and we're talking about graffiti
artist or probably taggers to most people. A guy called
Pork who goes up and down the country spray painting
the word pork or porky or porker onto walls and

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fences and buildings. He has or the Auckland Council's identified
two hundred and ninety eight incidents of that and that's
just an Auckland So how do you feel about graffiti? Heather?

Speaker 9 (01:25:10):
Oh, I hate, I hate graffiti. I think they're blungers.
But a funny story that was just popped in my mind.
Then that guy asked you had you ever graffitied? Matt
Rules with a Z.

Speaker 6 (01:25:25):
You were is.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Graffiti with Matt's with a Z. Did you say yeah yet?

Speaker 9 (01:25:32):
I think in my mind to the seventies, walked out
the front of the house and painted right across a
big lovely drive kiss rules Z on two garage doors,
kissed rules.

Speaker 8 (01:25:48):
Who is it?

Speaker 9 (01:25:50):
Go inside? There's my third troum son with his brand
new top mart and shoes. I just brought the day
before kiss rules of the boat.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
That is a big is a big clue.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
That there was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
That was a huge clue for who was the perpetrator?

Speaker 9 (01:26:09):
I think so yeah, even though I could see well
but like a last season today, Yeah, and I wanted
to lash him with a lot more than bacon.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
That's brazen tattooing. I mean tattooing, tagging your own house.
I mean kess do roll, I mean a passion for
the benk I nothing wrong with it, There's no there's
no lie in the the tagging. But I don't know
if you need to write that on your own very
own house, Jamie. You're an ex graffitiatist.

Speaker 17 (01:26:40):
You yep, yep, used to write for years and years.
I've given up now, but I still still look around,
still see all the stuff everywhere love it?

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
Did you? What did you? What did you stop?

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
What did you stop? Jamie?

Speaker 17 (01:26:58):
I think you know the main reason was back and
when you eleven, the Rugby World Couple was on and
the Autome Council did this massive kind of thing where
they spent millions just painting over everything. So all the
train codors everywhere along the motorways all got the buff

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and it was just totally demoralizing going out there every night.
And then you know, a couple of days later, whatever
you've done had gone.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Did you ever think about why you did it, what
the motivation was for you, how did it make you feel?

Speaker 18 (01:27:33):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Because it must have been a compulsion. There's quite a
lot of work involved. You've got to get the got
to get the cans, You've got to go out a night.
You know, did you ever think about what why you
did it, why you were compelled to do it?

Speaker 17 (01:27:45):
Yeah, it definitely becomes an addiction after a while. When
I started, like, I just kind of saw it everywhere
before I even you know, got up myself, and you know,
I think, no, that's pretty cool. I want to be
a part of that. And I'd sort of go out
by myself and do it, and then afterways start meeting
other people and you get your little crews together and

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it becomes like quite a social saying. You get huge
new sort of free end groups from it, and you know,
it's just a great way to past time. Did you
get an addictive hobby?

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Did you ever get busted or anyone you know ever
get busted?

Speaker 17 (01:28:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah I got I got busted. You just
get kind of like a slap on the wrist and
you keep going it's all good, So.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
They don't they don't ping you for every single one
you've got, Like de Pens.

Speaker 17 (01:28:34):
I think if you know, like some of the more
prolific guys that are doing like real massive damage. It
was this guy that used to write bloom and he
used a fire extinguisher to pain us his name on
the side of the Westfield shopping mall over the main

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market flyover, and I think, you know, they're saying that
that costs probably about a million bucks. In fact, they're
still trying to fix it now. Wow, they're halfway through
trying to fix it. They've got all the scaffolding up now.
So I think guys like that are the ones that
get gone after. Yeah, it sort of depends.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Did you ever what you're doing, Jamie? Did you ever
did you have a So there's obviously public property and
this private property. Did you always do public property or
were you you didn't care. Wherever you found a wall.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
You do it.

Speaker 17 (01:29:30):
Yeah, yeah, it didn't matter, just wherever you pick a
spot and go for it. I mean, there's there's certain
rules to it, like you don't go on people's houses
or churches. You sort of tend to stay away from schools,
things like that, but everything else is fair game.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Did you feel guilty about it at all? Was any
part of you that thought, well, this isn't mine, so
how come I feel like I'm allowed to put my
name on it or my my tag on it?

Speaker 6 (01:30:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
No, never, to this day, you don't. You don't feel
any remorse or feel like there's anything.

Speaker 15 (01:30:06):
Wrong with it?

Speaker 17 (01:30:07):
No, no, no, no, that's still don't. I mean when
I say it, like you know, I think it came
up before you say, oh what if someone tagged on
your fence? Wouldn't you feel you know, happy about that?
I was like, I just paint over it. In fact,
that has happened, and on one place I was living in,
it was like a beard brick wall, so to get

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out of the turps and kind of scrub it off.
But you know, I'll get it's just all part of
being in a community.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
If when you're a tagger or graffiting at that time, Jamie,
if you had a tag, then the homeowner went and
painted it to clear that tag, would that then be
a target for more tagging. That's what I always worry
about with, you know, if you get hat. I get
your point is, hey, not such a big deal, just
paint over it. But then if you're targeted as a homeowner,

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that would be where it becomes problematic, right.

Speaker 17 (01:30:59):
No, I don't. There would only be like a few
guys that would, you know, be like, oh you painted
over me, I'm going to go back and smash it.
It's all just part of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:31:10):
You expect, like most of your stuff is going to
get painted over at some point, if not by the
counsel or property owners, even by other taggers. It's just
all part of it. So you know, you don't take
it personally unless it's other taggers and you get all
that wars and that kind of thing. But Jamie, when
you as a homeowner, I'd never be you know, worried

(01:31:30):
about that kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Thing, now, Jamie, was there of a danger out on
the streets, because I imagine if someone came across you
tagging their property, they'd be maybe inclined to, you know,
rough you up a little bit. Was there any that
kind of danger?

Speaker 17 (01:31:46):
I was pretty fast.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Oh well, I think. Thank you for your insights into
the murky world of graffiti.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Just one more question for you, Jamie. Did you or
any of your tagging mates get into the graffiti art
side of things? Did they transition into that world?

Speaker 14 (01:32:03):
Some of them did.

Speaker 17 (01:32:05):
Yeah, some of them did, for sure, some of them
making a killing from it, right, you know, getting paid
for commission murals and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
Jamie, thank you very much, appreciate you giving us a call.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
I've got to say, I don't know if he's getting
much support on the text machine.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
I've got to say that a Jamie's approach to to
you know, life is not popular with the texters. No,
a lot of a lot of squere words coming out
here in the text. Jamie, you're a complete flog. What's
a flog?

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
No, I like that I should probably know that before
I read that, right, Oh, eight.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It
is twenty four past three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB twenty six past three.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
This textas says Jamie, is an entitled go. I wonder
if that was Jamie's tag going ad.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
That would be a great tag to be fair.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
One An absolute more on Jamie is paint is expensive
and the time it takes to clean up the mess
is absolutely ridiculous, just for the low lives to write
their names and paint. There was a when I was
growing up in Duned and there was someone from the
DCC that did need city council that didn't quite get
their their remit. I guess when it came to covering
over tags and squear words that were being painted everywhere,
went round and painted it over exactly so you'd see this.

(01:33:37):
There was one particular one in Northeast Valley which someone
had written a massive F word and the person from
the city council came in and painted over it exactly
and brown, so it was exactly the same word there.
But and then, and then I started noticing that whoever
this guy was from the DCC, either it was a
prankster or lazy and couldn't be bother doing a big

(01:33:58):
square on. It was just going around painting over all
these tags.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
How could you take a step back after doing that?
And said, yep, job moving on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Well maybe his thing was paint over those tags, eggs,
paint over those squerewards. And he goes, Okay, I mean
not everyone's the smartest person in the world. It's like
once when I was at this I was working at
this place and I needed to go and buy a
bunch of waters for people. And so I went to
buy them and I said, can I get our five pumps? Please?
Said two drink minimum? Find the count. I was like, no,

(01:34:29):
these are waters and they go no, I got told
to drink minimum. So it's not for water, mate, you've
got I was like.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
This, shame. Where was this?

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Was this at a supermarket or something a supermarket? No,
two drink minimum?

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
Was at a bar?

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
But like the this, I was like this, heaps of
water in the tap, Like if I can just go
and put my head under the tap and drink as
much water as I want. Anyway, you know what I'm saying.
Some people get an instruction and they're robotic with it.
So paint over the tags, paint over the squewards, painted
right over it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
Very true, Tony. What's your take on tagging?

Speaker 18 (01:35:01):
Good afternoon, guys. Just a little story of something happened
and that I saw. But just leading up to that,
we were in Europe in twenty ten and Melbourne for
a wee while and suburb there Sunshine, which is full
of tagging. Parts of southern Paris Athens was terrible and
what was really noticeable was in those areas where's a

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large amount of tagging, there was a lot of antisocial
behavior and creeps hanging around, robberies, that sort of thing.
There's definitely a commitment because it pulls the community down.
And anyway, we were on the and Natalie went to
a place called Chinqua Terry. There's villages on the cliffs

(01:35:44):
on the sea. And we arrived on the train in
the morning and you walk between the villages. There's no roads,
and got off the railway station and here's a crowd
down on the to the railway station by a fence.
We went down there and there's two teenagers got their
wrist tied to the fence there, and there's quite a
few locals and a lot of tourists looking at what

(01:36:05):
was going on. And I spoke to the local policeman
who turned up and masked them. It turned out they
got caught tagging the night before, during the night by
the police, and I think they were fifteen or sixteen.
They got taken home to their parents and about twenty
minutes later about four or five people with balot plazas

(01:36:26):
and brought us that it's on, rushed into the house,
grabbed them, took them out to the fence, tied them
up and cane them wow and then left them there. Anyway,
the cop was telling me that they don't have any tagging,
wilful damage or anti social behavior for about nine to
eleven months, right, so somebody somebody does something this is

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this has happened. It's always the locals that do, not
the police for anybody else, so he claimed. He said
the fear sometimes achieved something. He said, they just don't
do it. Because there was part of Italy and outskirts
of Roma. It just looked terrible and they were determined
they weren't going to let their town. It's about five

(01:37:09):
thousand people. I think by memory, we're going to let
it get run down. And I thought, well you might
like it. And I'm not a great fan of corporal punishment,
but it seemed to be effective.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Well, Bella Clavid Kane is coming out of the woodwork. Yeah.
The key is them getting the right person, because often
with these vigilante movements you end up cating the wrong
person because it hasn't been due process in pointing out
and that could be quite fun from Tom, you wanted
to cane pork and you end up cane and Gonad.

(01:37:40):
Gonad's only done two.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
A couple of teaks to wrap this one up. Guys,
that previous quarter was a complete idiot. Thought when he
was talking of the World Cup he was going to
say once clean. He realized and thought he would stop. Nope,
he felt bad. His crap words were gone, no remorse
and it's not art.

Speaker 11 (01:37:59):
Get rid of him.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
He's long gone now.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Yeah, well that was for that was Jamie, not Tony.
I think graffiti is awful. I had to paint my
fence too many times and when my car got done,
then that's when I put security cameras up disgusting. Who
would tag a car? I mean, you know, whatever you
think about tagging and graffiti and ninety nine percent of
the texts and not happy with it, but you would

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have to be an absolute next level dirt bag to
tag someone's car.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
Yeah, because that's expensive. Painting your fence you arguably it's
a little bit of money, but not as egregious as
tagging a car.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
I've got a graffiti removal van on speed dial, and
when I see any when I drive around, I call
him and he gets it done in a day or two.
It must be a council thing. The fastest it's moved,
the better they want fame. So talking about this guy
is rewarding him, no talent required.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Yeah, okay, well that was a great discussion. And if
you know where Pork is, tell him to give us
a buzz. We're still really keen to have a chattol
wherever he may be in the world. Pork, if you're listening, yeah,
all right, oh one hundred eighteen and eighty, And don't
keep doing what you're doing because a lot of people
don't like it. But I imagine that's not going to
stop you.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Well, there's someone that's threatened to come at you with
a strip of bacon and give you one hundred lashings.
So it's vigilantes out there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Right coming up. We got the headlines and then we're
going to leave the original topic on the table. We
were going to talk about passports, but so many people
came at you for what you did, yeah, that we
need to erit some more.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
I consider myself a hero for what I did, but
I'm being painted as a villain and I'll share the
details of what happened again. Okay, you talk.

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Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. Right, so we're going to
chat about an action that Matt's took.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Give us this morning. Before we do that, can I
just just mention something that I'm doing this week?

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
Yeah, pleasure yep.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
And it's not for New Zealand Music Month, although it
is New Zealand Music Month. But what I want to
do this week is celebrate one artist all week because
I bought this new album from a band called Voom,
great Kiwi band called Voom. They've got a new album
out called Something Good. Is happening and I bought it
on final it's available. It's been over a decade in

(01:41:27):
the making. This album the New Zealand's best band if
you ask me so. At the end of each show
this week, instead of highlighting a lot of artists, I'm
just going to play a song from them at the
end of each show this week, again hyper focusing on
one artist and not because they're in New Zealand artists,
because I think a lot of New Zealand artists it's
kind of to say that their Kiwi music is kind

(01:41:49):
of undercutting them. They're great internationally. There is a good
band could be anywhere in the world. It's not you
don't just have to promote them because they're New Zealand.
In fact, that's irrelevant.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Great music, right, So Christen this Voom week anyway, so
I look forward.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
To I just wanted to say that, just wanted to
tease that I'm doing that in a little bit. Then
you were talking about okay this because I just bought
this up to the ry aside at the start of
the show and the text machine exploded with abuse certainly,
and I think it's a deeper question that we're looking
at here. And what happened, right was, there's been this
weird smell in our laundry, okay, and I've been trying

(01:42:25):
to work out what it was. I took the washing
machine out and took all the bits and cleaned it
all out, and found out it wasn't the washing machine.
I did the same with the dryer. I looked about everywhere.
I drilled a little hole to see if there was
black mold in somewhere. I did just all this thinking
where the smell could be, and it was driving me crazy.
And then I woke up this morning and overnight the
solution had come to me a moment of clarity. I
worked out that the only place that the smell could

(01:42:47):
be coming through is the drain that comes up that
you put the washing machine in, you know, you put
the little hock and it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Down right yep.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
And I worked it out, and I go, well, outside,
there must be that must be creating the terrible smell
in the outside drain.

Speaker 15 (01:42:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
So I woke up all cock of the hoop. I
couldn't believe. I was so happy, like a little bunny.
I bounced up the stairs to get the right utensils
to fix the problem. Out, and so I went into
the kitchen and I got a variety of things out
of the kitchen, spatchelor, this little coffee kind of thing, spoon,
some tea spoons, a number of utensils, a soup ladle,

(01:43:23):
and I went back down. I went outside, and I
got into the into the drain and a little bit
of the sewage area as well, and I used those
utensils to clean everything out and cleaned it. And then
I cleaned the whole area and I put the drain
back on, and I walked back in and I stood

(01:43:45):
up with the utensils, and that's when I got caught.
And I thought I was going to be celebrated. I
thought that there was going to be a ticketad parade
around the house for me for solving this complicated problem
without having to bring a plumber or a drainage.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Champagne would be popped, the music would start, trumpets would sound.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
But then I got accused of using kitchen tensils inappropriately
and accused of being a disgusting And even though I
see it that I will now boil these kitchen utensils
in the pot on the oven, and that works for surgeons.
Surgeons boiled utensils they boil, boil up their scalpels, and
use them again, that all the germs will be destroyed, sanitized,

(01:44:24):
absolutely sanitized. And yet now I'm being told that those
utensils can never be used again. So am I a
hero or a villain? Because who cares if the utensils
have been involved in some disgusting sewergy stuff, if there's
none of the residues left on them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty. You know, I'm torn
on this because I take my head off to you
by being resourceful, and you've shown me one of the
instruments that you use, one of the utensils. I pulled
it up. This is a custom would handled coffee scoop.
It's got some good length and it is a perfect
size for a drain. So I look at that and think, well, chosen,
that's a great tool that you know you couldn't go

(01:45:03):
to butings and get something better than that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
Ye. Perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
There's nothing in my toolbox, you know. I can't put
a screwge down there and do that. Yeah, So you
use the tools that are available to you. So this
person here says hero, no villain, no muppet.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
Yes, okay, well, that is where I would sit on it,
that I see what you were trying to do. But
the very fact that you allowed Tracy to see that
you were using those utensils, that's where you went wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
I didn't allow her to see how she caught me.
My plan was to use them and then just have
them in the dishwasher, and.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
That's what most fellows would have done.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
But can you see the wider issue here. It's an
issue between logic and emotion because logically, the fact that
they've been down the drain is absolutely irrelevant because they'll
be sterilized in the pot. Right, Yeah, there's no toxoplasmosis,
as we talked about for an hour and twenty minutes yesterday,
because they've been clean. Now, just the emotion of it
is that now you're running a poostpoon, but it's not

(01:46:02):
a poostpoon. It's been clean.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
Yeah, but your perspective is tainted by the very good
job that you did. So you had the caveman brain
going and look at me man good till solved it. Yeah,
But if even if I saw you using those utensils,
I'd look at that, even though I can see you
did a good job, they're very resourceful. You solved a
problem and you found the tools to get the job done.
I would still look at those utensils and say, no,

(01:46:23):
Matt used that to dig out some sort of sewerage,
and I don't want to see those utensils ever again.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Oh well, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I
think there's a deeper issue here.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
There certainly is. Let's get into it. It is eighteen
to four.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams.
Afternoons us talks.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
They'd be it is a quarter to four. So Matt
used some kitchen utensils to solve a sewage problem. He
headed his home with the proviso that when he was
caught by his lovely partner, he said, no worries, I'm
going to disinfect these utensils by boiling the heck out
of them like a susion would do.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Yes, So they're for fine. It's just an emotional problem
now because you're you're just equating that particular spoon with
when I had it in the gray.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Yeah, so it's the men read that wasn't it now it's.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Now been or will be just bloody boiled? Yeah, doesn't
ready to guanitize completely stiff your thoughts on this key
issue for Kiwi's.

Speaker 19 (01:47:23):
I I would probably use the utensils again, and this
would relate to my story. This is over ten years
ago and we had our son had had appendicitis, and
then after he'd had that and been in hospital and everything,
we went away for a few weeks and when we

(01:47:44):
came back, I thought I would vacuum the house and
I thought the vacuum planner stinks, must have got a
mouse in there or something was revolting, and anyway, I
pointed it out and I said to my husband that
it had smelt really bad, and he said, oh yeah,
I vacuumed up his vomit on.

Speaker 9 (01:48:01):
The night he had.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Oh no, And he told me, look, that's a Muppet show, right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
There's no you can't vacuum clean up there. Even though
I wouldn't do that, there's no cleaning.

Speaker 19 (01:48:17):
He thought that he was like he felt a bit
aggrieved that I was annoyed because he was the one
that had got up in the night and vacuumed up.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
From it and actually that's true.

Speaker 15 (01:48:27):
He did.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
He did do it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
You know, he may not have done it perfectly, but
he did do it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Yeah, he solved a problem. He destroyed the cleaner, but
he solved the problem.

Speaker 19 (01:48:35):
But he didn't destroy it.

Speaker 6 (01:48:37):
And we still you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
So stiff you would be comfortable to continue using that
soup ladle that I had down the sewing.

Speaker 19 (01:48:48):
Definitely, because you're especially putting it through schwasher to.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Be very sterile, even more than that stuff. I'm boiling
it up on a pot. Well, I've said I'm gonna anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
Yeah, yeah, one question for you, sorry, just before we
get to some texts. Is the kitchen utensils plastic or
stainless steel?

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
Stainless steel?

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
Yeah, all right, I thought I had you there. Okay, classic, I.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Guess like a bail some plastic muppet for not seeing
how a woman would react. Yeah, gotcha, muppet two for
being caught.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
Right, Yeah, well done, right, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Haha, you fool. The smell always comes from the drain.
But yeah, no worries. Wash the stuff and you'll be right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Actually, I did feel like a fool that it took
me so long to think that maybe the stinky thing
would be the drain, Trevor, your thoughts on.

Speaker 8 (01:49:34):
This you're there?

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
Yeah, gotcha? Hero or villain?

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
Yeah, I actually think Met's a genius, thank you. The
reason being because I mean, what, what's your cumulative costs
of the utensils that you x to use?

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
Yeah, I mean that's a good point. I tried I
think probably four or five utensils before I discovered the
perfect coffee scoop that fit right down there and pulled
the crap out. So you know, I reckon what minimum
twenty bucks utensils? There's probably at least one hundred hundred,
maybe two hundred dollars worth of utensils there that I soiled.

Speaker 8 (01:50:16):
Two hundred dollars?

Speaker 14 (01:50:18):
Well, what would it have got to get a tradesman out?

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Well, yeah, I don't know how much, maybe one hundred
and fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
You've changed your mind already having your tree v Yeah,
you started off saying you're a genius.

Speaker 4 (01:50:31):
Well, I mean you you've probably done yourself up in
like fifty bucks, but how.

Speaker 15 (01:50:34):
You know what, and there's your tooth?

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Yeah, and then and then probably I mean I.

Speaker 15 (01:50:39):
Probably would have done exactly the same thing, to be fair.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
Yeah, Well, the thing is the pride I felt myself
for solving a problem. And that's and that's why I
was a little bit aggrieved when I felt like I
was going to be you know, lauded as a hero,
hero and carried around the house on my partner's shoulders,
celebrating me for solving this problem. Yeah, but instead I
was painted as a villain for sticking soup blade or
down the sewer point.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Has to be steal only any other materials involved will
need to be disposed of. That's from James. And look,
I am aware that we spent the whole show you
staday talking about toxoplasmosis.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
So yeah, right, we're going to take a few more
calls very shortly. It is eleven or four.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used
talk ZEDB on Newstalgs EDB afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
It is eight to four and we have been talking
about real life situations here. This is I think a
situation that many households would have found themselves in.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
It's logic versus emotions. I use some kitchen new sentrals
to unblock a drain. There might have been look maybe swergy,
but then I am going to sterilize the utensils, So
I think that's fine. Brett disagrees. I listen to you
guys every day and normally love it today right now,
can't wait till you get off the air. That's just disgusting.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
So I'm a villain.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Villain twice now, Maureen, your thoughts, Ah, Yes.

Speaker 20 (01:52:07):
You're a twot man, really are What do you use
your you know, your dish for your dish brush to
clean the toilet?

Speaker 6 (01:52:16):
No?

Speaker 20 (01:52:17):
And then think you could boil it up and it
would be all right?

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
No, for some reason, some reason, I wouldn't do that. No,
I think that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:52:24):
Good yeah, okay, and also.

Speaker 20 (01:52:28):
Yeah, no, I'm I'm with Tracy on that. But it's
probably something that my pubby would do, but he might
not get caught. I don't know, but yeah, and I
will never look at a soup lade all the.

Speaker 16 (01:52:40):
Same way correctly.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
Well, apologies for that, Mareen, but there's so much for
your call.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
Do you at least give a Maureen kudos for you know,
I had a look at the tool that he found,
and it was a coffee scoop and it was perfect.
So a little bit of kudos for that, surely.

Speaker 20 (01:52:53):
Well maybe one out of ten for that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
That's about the best score I've got from this so far.
Moreene straight in the bin. Can't use it again, You're disgusting.
No minimum charge, he goes someone on my side. No
minimum charge. A call out for a plumber would be
three hundred and fifty dollars. You're winning, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
Oh yeah, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Met you are a villain because of how much of
a down to earth man you talk about. You don't
know you don't own any tools in the garage, or
you do even have a garage. There's no tool and
there's no screwdriver that would do it. I can't shove
a power drill down there.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
You can't get the handsaw, and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
You know I can't get my level down there.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
I'm defending the only this is the only time when
this tool would work. And you know, when saying it
pulls some draino down there or some bleach down there,
you're not understanding the situation. I had the grit that
had come out of some look. To be fair, I
had been cutting that a lot of wood chip had
gone down there from where I'd been cutting something else up,
and I may have caused the problem that I had
to solve. But that's that's that's the issue.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
Yeah, so I think what was it fifty to fifty
on heroin?

Speaker 4 (01:53:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Absolutely? All right, right, I'll take that anyway. Thank you
to all your great New Zealanders for listening to the show.
We've had a great time. Hope you have. The met
Entile Afternoons podcast will be out in about an hour.
If you missed any of our excellent chats on the
natural gas clorosis in our country, the ten bagging terror
of pork, or where you shouldn't shouldn't put kitchen utensils,
just jump on wherever you find your podcast and give

(01:54:15):
us a listen. In the amazing Hither Dupericy Ellen is
up ufter news. But right now this is a song
from the Kiwi band Zooms. Then new album Something Good
Is Happening is out now. I got this album of
the weekend on vinyl. Every track is brilliant. Couldn't recommend
it more. That's all from us Sea Tomorrow.

Speaker 13 (01:54:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
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