Full Show Podcast: 20 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome all ye great New Zealanders to the Matt and
Tyler Ziby Afternoons podcast. We did two hours of intense
chat on nuclear energy in New Zealand. We had ex
National Energy Minister Max Bradford on the show. We had
a physicist from Auckland University, doctor.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
David crow Coff crow Coft, he was a fascinating man.
You and stuff, that's for sure, and a lot of callers.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
It turns out there's a hotbed of love for fish
and energy generation in this country. I was really happy
with that. And then we went deep into onion sausages
a great staple of Dunedin food.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I still don't know what they are, and chops a.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Wee patties as well, and there was a little bit
of cheese roll chat around the outside there as well.
As we went deep into basketball as well, and a
lot of talk about my high school, Bogan Park High
School on Butts Road in Dunedan great school.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
A lot of Alma Marta calling great memory Lane.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, certainly is. It's not the most lauded school in
the Targo. I mean there's a Tiger Boys, there's a
Tiger Girls, There's Kings, there's some schools that get a
lot of attention. There's and there's John McGlashan, but Bogan
Park High School on Butts Road. I've always got a
special place in my heart. Fiftieth year this year of
its existence. So also it hasn't been around long.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Good memories, right, give me a taste a kiwi.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty
twenty four News Talk zib.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well, get a to you. Welcome into the show. It
is seven past one. Get a mets before we get
into the big issues. Tyler and everyone, A good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I've got a question for you, please. How should I
feel about this?

Speaker 5 (01:56):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Last night I was lying in bed and I got
cramps all up my side. Sometimes I get cramps. I
must have got enough water, salt, whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
What were you doing before you got cramps? I was
just sort of activity going on.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
No, I was just lying there and then cramps and
I was going ah, and there was really painful clamps.
I felt like I had strickening, poisoning, some of the
worst cramps I ever had. And so I was yelling
and screaming and writhing around and like trying this new
thing I learned when you do get cramps, to concentrate
on the pain, it goes way quicker rather than trying
to ignore it. Anyway, I was doing that, but there

(02:28):
was a few yelps. I look over at my partner
and she's on social media, not a care in the world.

Speaker 6 (02:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
I don't know if she looked at me at any
point during the cramps and the pain, but I look
over and she's just staring at her social media. And
then she looked, and then I go oh. She looks
back at me and she goes, did you have a stroke?
And I said, oh, I did not have a stroke.
How should I feel about that?

Speaker 3 (02:51):
How is she so unsympathetic to that? I mean, is
this a nightly occurrence or something? Is this quite off before?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
It never happened before? Wow?

Speaker 7 (02:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Nine two nine two. I mean I've got to say,
I bet a red flag. Yeah, But sometimes you just
want that sympathy. I mean, the only question I can
think of, Matt, is there you do this quite often?

Speaker 4 (03:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
You don't I don't. Have you ever seen me cramp
up in the studio and start screaming.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Only once once?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well, if I do, I want you to come over
and strike my head and tell me that you love me.
I don't need to jump on slosh mid.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I do that every day anyway. Right onto the show
today after three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, a bride was left crying after guests that are
vegan a wedding rebelled and ordered in pizza. She hadn't
told them that it was a vegan wedding reception, and
people were furious and pizzas were ordered in. So should
you warn people before you serve them vegan food, like
any other warnings that you have out there, you know,
tell them what they're doing. I know you may be

(03:48):
a vegan and you might want to make the world
the bet of the you know, you want to alter
the world, and you in what you think it should
be in your own image. But for a lot of people,
me included, I find vegan food offensive. The fact she
was worried that people wouldn't turn up. I mean that's
kind of the point, right, You give people the heads
up and say, you know, we're vegan, we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Have vegan food. And if you don't turn up.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Well, well, interesting in the story, it was a cousin
that called in the pizzas, the pepperoni pizzas. And you
might get your friends on board with your vegan thing,
but the wider family you can't control them. You got
a wild bunch. Yeah, and if they're not vegans, then
you need to tell them that you're not serving proper food.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Absolutely, that's after three o'clock, after two o'clock. In just
over a year's time, basketball was set to become the
most popular sport in this country, with participation get this,
jumping sixty one percent since two thousand. However, there's now
concern that New Zealand doesn't have enough basketball courts for
young kids getting into basketball. We're gonna ask the question,
should we divert money from sports traditionally considered our national

(04:53):
sport rugby and put them into basketball.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, well, there's five hundred too few courts. There's going
to be five hundred two few courts, so that's a
lot of money. Yeah, where do you put those courts?
And where do you get the money from? But yeah,
if that's what the kids are playing because we want
kids playing sport. Definitely, do we care what sport they're playing?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Nope, you don't know. I want to play basketball, Go
play basketball.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well I've heard also that numbers and junior rugby are
going up. They had really good numbers this year, so
that is going up. Does it have to be at
the expense of other sports? Can we just decide that
sport for children is something we need to invest in
and find the money somewhere.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah. Do you know what I didn't realize because I
don't think it happens in the South Island Burger King
and this isn't a promotion for them. When did they
start putting little basketball courts outside their restaurants?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I kind of love it. Oh there's a few here
and there.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so a new thing.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
You can go and shoot some hoops and rebel sport
if you want. It's pretty noisy and noisy other customers.
But you know, there's a lot of half courts around
where I live and they're used a lot by kids.
But yeah, if that's what the kids want to play,
and we all agree that them getting out and doing
something physical or in the case of basketball, often getting
inside in a gym and doing something physical is a
good thing, then yeah, facilitate it.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
God, facilitate it. Yep, that's after two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
But right now, leading globally experts Australia could build its
first nuclear reactor in twelve years. Dunton loves the idea,
but the current government hates it. But what about here
in New Zealand? Is it time to look at nuclear
power generation in New Zealand. I know it's a long
way away, but we might have to change our mindset
because currently in New Zealand we're very, very anti nuclear power.

(06:30):
For it ever to be a reality, if we decide
that it's something that good, we're going to have to
start talking about it in an honest and open and
unafraid fashion. We're currently thinking about the TV show Chernovl.
We're thinking about the China syndrome, you know, three of
Mile Island and those those things aren't just unt of reality.
So it's and it's you know, it's very expensive to

(06:53):
build a power plant now, but it's going to get
cheaper over time, especially with these small modular reactors that
are being invented. There's a bunch of startups around the
world looking at them. So is it time that we
started thinking about atomic energy?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
What do you think about it? Do we need get
rid of this taboo that we have been nuclear free
for a long time and that was mainly to do
with weapons, right, But that has clouded our judgment when
they look at how.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Totally different things. They're not what you use. The fuel
you use for nuclear power plant isn't enriched enough in
any way to be used as a weapon. It's not
going to cause a chain reaction. That's not what it's about.
So yeah, I think I think we need to look
into these things. God knows, we've got problems with our
power at the moment. You know, we're getting warnings that
we might you know, in the middle of winter that

(07:36):
power power could go down. We've had cuts in the past,
so we need to be looking at our power structure.
And good bloody luck trying to damn another river in
this country.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two nine two is the text number. Let's get
into it. It is thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons You
for twenty twenty four used talks the'd.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Be it is cauughtter past one.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
We're talking about new clear reactors in New Zealand Australia.
Dutton's keen on it, but the current government hates it.
What do we think for New Zealand? Tim your thoughts?

Speaker 6 (08:21):
Hey, God, ultimately on for it. I doubt I would
see it in my lifetime.

Speaker 8 (08:31):
Now.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
It takes a long time to get stuff done in
New Zealand, and as we've just seen recently, people don't
want to talk about things, even like the Stephen the
conversations say, yeah, it doesn't pay well for nuclear power.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, if we look if we look forward to the future,
I mean I think I think building a big old
school nuclear power plant that you see on The Simpsons
doesn't seem very likely in New Zealand. But there are
these small modular reactors that I get it that the
modular being there made out of factory built parts so
that they don't have to be bespoke built every time.

(09:15):
And the technology in that region is developing very very fast.
So you know, maybe that's twenty forty that we can
have these small reactors there. But unless we start thinking
about it now and opening our minds to it, then
we'll arguably slip behind.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
Absolutely, I'm into it. I'd like to be around to
see it come online and in the style you've discussed,
you know, Yeah, because that's just intelligent. You know, you
use the best possible technology available, and you know, we've

(09:57):
just got to be open to it, like you say,
you've got we need to be at least open enough
to have a discussion.

Speaker 9 (10:04):
Yeah, and bearing in mind that, you know, I.

Speaker 6 (10:07):
Mean, what would be left behind?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, and power is everything?

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Just a question for you, Matt, do you think now
when do we sign the nuclear free Agreement?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Longest government in the eighties.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
I think I think attitudes have shifted a long ways
since then. I think we still are quite proud of
what we did back then. But we know now surely
that is about nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
You you've got to massively unbundle them, because there's not
even a situation where a terrorist could grab your nuclear
power plant and turn it into a weapon. That that's
not really how it works. It's a it's a very
very different thing. The two things have be separated. You
could continue to say we don't want any nuclear weapons
in this country and still have and have nuclear power generation.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, absolutely, Josh. How do you feel about nuclear power
in New Zealand?

Speaker 6 (10:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (10:58):
Hey, boys here the subjects come up a few times. Yeah,
three in the morning, and god knows why, just thinking
a cynical because I'm like, what is the primary objective.
It's the primary objective.

Speaker 9 (11:13):
To get cheaper power, because these guys, if they could
generate power for zero point zero zero zero one of ascent,
they're not going to sell it to any cheaper than
the youth price.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, but it could be a new player that comes
into the market, Josh, that they get ahead of the
big guys like Meridian, like Contact, who have made big
investments and renewable, whether they've got the capital because I'm
so invested and renewable to take a punch on the stuff.

Speaker 10 (11:43):
We've got plenty of options already. The main issue is
is these guys have spent thirty years creaming it and
not reinvesting, and now the government are left standing there saying, oh, well,
what do you want us to do now? If we
build the facilities, we should retain ownership of any you know,

(12:07):
well sixty of it for anything that we do. But
we've got the ability to already generate to make those
things happen. So nuclear energy is really yeah, it's not
something that we really need in this country, and it
wouldn't make it wouldn't make power cheaper. Hey, look for

(12:27):
cost price maybe off bepose.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Well, I guess, I guess The argument now is that
we do have some renewable energy in New Zealand, and
our hydro electrics are phenomenal, but we currently do burn
a lot of fossil fuels to make our electricity, and
fossil fuels their waste goes straight into the air, the
waste of a nuclear power generator that gets wrapped in

(12:52):
concrete and buried in the ground and you won't see
it again for fifteen hundred years.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, Josh, thank you very much. Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two
nine two is the text number. It is twenty past one.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking
because of reluction, well, what's your view of what this
country has looked like to the world in the last
week with all the loveries sharing it on social media?

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Going yes, queen, look at New Zealand go do we
look good or do we look bad? Look, I've just
come back from Apec and to be honest, it wasn't
raised with me by any of the leaders and I'm
not sure they actually saw it, because according to wherever
it was, a hundreds of millions of people all over
the world apparently have seen it.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well, look, I mean there's no doubt about it. It's
an emotion issue. The bottom line for us as a
national party is I just don't think the Treaty Principle's bill.

Speaker 8 (13:39):
It's quite a simplistic way at a stroke.

Speaker 9 (13:41):
Of a pen.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
You've said that about a home and we shall sometimes
back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk zb SO nuclear power generations
in the news again. They're discussing it in Australia. Should
we bring it here? When you talk about the health risks,
I was ready about this this morning. When you look
into it, you find that no one died at three
Mile Island, and most epidemiological studies found that it had

(14:05):
no detectable health consequences, and after thirty is only fifty
one people died from the incident at chernobyl And scientific
studies found a few health risks connected to radiation experture
from Fukushima. So that's in all the history since we've
been generating nuclear energy around the world since nineteen fifty
five the first power plant went online, first nuclear power plant.

(14:26):
So that's three incidents and not a whole lot of deaths.
And you can pair that into the amount of deaths
that are involved in just trying to create energy with coal,
for example, Yeah, or even hydroelectrics.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
It's a strong argument, isn't it. Yees oh, e one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Stan.
How how do you feel about nuclear energy in New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (14:49):
I think it's pretty silly the way that the way
that New Zealand has kind of currently and historically demonized
a nuclear energy just simply because we've associated it so
closely with nuclear weapon and and are testing in the

(15:11):
Pacific and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they're totally They're two totally different things,
aren't they. So do we need to unbundle those in
our mind? And even if it's not practical to be
looking at nuclear energy generation in New Zealand in the
next say, fifteen years. Do we need to under bundle
unbundle that mind and and you know, look to opening

(15:35):
our minds to the point that we are on the
train towards that technology, especially with these small modular reactors
that are being designed, because if we if we if
we miss that train, and look if from a green perspective,
you know, these are very very green operations, these these

(15:56):
small modular reactors, because ninety six percent of the waste
is reusable in my understanding, and the other four you
just wrap and concrete and berryer in the ground.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, stand question for you. I mean, because there's a
lot made about the renewables in this country, and we
do hydro very well. But when we look at some
of that renewable technology that is long tilted but it
still hasn't proven itself yet, solar you know, turbines in
the ocean, those sort of things, do you think that's
a bad strategy to look at and we should go

(16:23):
for something like nuclear that is tried, proven, is successful
overseas and the technology is getting better.

Speaker 11 (16:31):
I think I think to.

Speaker 12 (16:32):
Call it, to call it renewable full stop is a
bit of a genuine genre, is a little bit of
a generalization, I think it's renewable immediately. You know, if
you think about if you think about high if you
think about hydro and stuff like that, you think about
how much concrete it it takes to put those massive

(16:54):
damsel that's so much common dioxide, they will never become neutral.
So from the very start they're not really renewable. They're
definitely better then it, definitely better than the boss or fuels,
but they're not renewable.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
Saying with Buddy wind as well, I think I think
I think it's getting better, but like I know that
most most wind turbines are made over in normal I
think so so just to ship just to ship the
m over, build the roads to go, put them somewhere
remote and run them for the only fifteen years I

(17:33):
think they last. You know, it's not it's not as
renewable as compared to when you look at something like
nuclear where they've got really massive We have got massive
potential lifespans, and there's definitely been some been some historic
complication there.

Speaker 11 (17:53):
But I think you guys touched on that pretty well.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Thank you so much for your call. Stand you know
what we should do, Tyler, Yeah, we should instead of
just fumbling around the dark. Why don't we get hold
of someone from a physics department and as a sistant
nucleip What don't we get hold of a nuclear physicist
and talk to them as well as all these fantastic
callers are sounds like a graden eighty. So Wi shul
we tee that up during the break.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
All right, we'll make some phone calls very shortly and
tee that up for you.

Speaker 9 (18:20):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
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Speaker 3 (19:38):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. Now, Matt, you've made some
phone calls.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, that's right. So we're going to talk to Dr
David croftcheck senior lecture in physics at the University of Auckland.
At some point. We'll just tee that up so we
can answer all our questions. If you've got any questions
for him, fire them through to us around nuclear power
generation and whether it's practical for New Zealand. I'm into it.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, it's kicked off the conversation. Malcolm. You think we
need to think outside the square.

Speaker 14 (20:05):
Yeah, A couple of things that's going to touch on one.
Turbines are all great and wonderful, but yes they do
have a limited life. But you look to the US
and there are fields upon fields upon fields of blades
of the off the wind turbines which are built out
of fiberglass going nowhere. They can't be recycled, or at
least no one's found a way to do it yet.

(20:26):
I heard people talking about them being alementu or something else,
but even carbon fiber again can't be recycled, so forget that.
And when it comes to dams, you know, there's actually
fifth plans to build another fifteen hydro stations down down
down the South Island, and it's the AAMA that's holding
all that up. People talk about concrete having carbon, Well

(20:47):
concrete doesn't actually have carbon in it. It's the manufacturing
process that creates the carbon. And a company is given
company called Neo Creek, which is actually working on removing
the carbon from that process. So I'll actually be having
a chat with them. But I was going to talk
about thorium reactors. Now, thorium is as as a nice

(21:08):
little material because it doesn't go and blow up at
blow up and see nuclear waste everywhere. If you can
stop the reaction straight away and drain it from molten
salt plug which they call it. So if the if
the reaction runs away, for argument's sake, they don't go

(21:30):
both to say five or six inch degrees. So uranium
as greats it gets through high temperatures. But that's what
also the dangers of the arianium you react that they
can actually run away, get out of control and then
explode and all this nice waste comes out. And we
have we talked about death before. That's that's one thing.

(21:51):
But talk about deformities of children and the light through
Snobil that's a different story.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, so, I mean not quite as bad as it's
been looking into it what happened to Snobyl. But that's
one of the interesting things. You know, you point out
what a very basic level a reactor is. Basically a
steam engine, isn't it. You fire an atom of uranium
with a neutron it an atom of reanium, and it
divides and releases a bunch of energy.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
And that boils water right there, produces energy.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, so that's how it works. So the fuel, as
you're talking about that, there's there's potential to use other fuels.
I don't know much about that, but that all goes
down to the wider thing. Whereas what we're sort of
saying is what I'm saying is that let's open our
mind to the idea of it, and as technology comes through,
then maybe we're on the path to getting it. It
might not be what we want right now, but it

(22:41):
might be the technology might change and be what we
want in fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, who's doing the thorium is that the Chinese, Malcolm.

Speaker 14 (22:50):
The Chinese have been working on thorium, so I think
India has as well. But it's the key thing is
that is that it doesn't it's not going to kill everybody.
You can stop the reaction.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, but you've got but right now, like the even
if you look at the record of nuclear power plants
since nineteen fifty five, we've only had three problems, and
two of them haven't been very haven't been as major
as as we thought they would be. And and if
you're talking about power plants that were built in the
fifties and sixties, they're very different from a power plant
that you'd build in twenty twenty four. So I think

(23:21):
even with the uranium power plants today, much much much safer.
In fact, you know, I think it's the latest ones.
It's pretty much impossible for them to melt down like
they did at Gernovl.

Speaker 14 (23:34):
Well they build them now. They basically build all the
fatty features in them first and then they built out
from that. You know, they're the Corona designs and are constructed.
But more to the point if people are concerned about that,
I mean, like I say, this way it became to
thorium because it takes away all of that concern Yeah,
point nine percent of it. There's always going to be

(23:55):
that one point one of something random happening, but you
don't have the same half light. You don't have to
bury it in concrete.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, that sounds cool like that. That's thorium. Know much
about it, but I like the sound of it.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
YMP two. Thank you very much, Malcolm. Interesting, John, you're
an electricity broken that's right, I am. And what's your
take on the idea of nuclear power energy in New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (24:20):
Well, I'll put it this way, if you want a
reliable power source going forward, it's the only way you're
going to do it because quite frankly, you can't build
enough dans here to do it. The biggest problem we've
got at the moment is because of some political decisions
that were made a couple of years ago. What happens
when our our lakes start getting low is we switch

(24:41):
to gas. Because the gas generation at the moment is
super low. So the price is the power companies that
I'm dealing when I deal with all the major power companies,
several of them are deciding they are not going to
quote on new contracts because we don't know where the
pricing is going to go. A couple of others of
them have high prices by thirty fifteenth. Oh well that's

(25:04):
what the price rise will be going forward from now on.
The issue you've got is we just can't generate enough there.
And of course we have all the Greens running around
saying we've all got to buy evs and drive all that,
and everybody caught evs. You're just never going to be
able to do it. So popular power stations are a
great idea. And as you say, I mean they're pretty

(25:25):
they're safe in the last few years.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
So well, you mentioned the reforms before, John, and I
was reading a piece quoting Max Bradford, who was kind
of the leader of the electricity reforms, and he was
big on nuclear power. He said, and I quote, in
my view, there is a solution to all of this.
It will be controversial, but which has become an increase
in an option around the world, and that is new
nuclear power sources of energy. So even the guy that

(25:49):
reformed the electricity network says it might be a good idea.

Speaker 15 (25:52):
Absolutely, you know, I mean, at the moment, or a
lot of contracts that I've written idea or a lot
with schools and sports clubs and churches, all sort of
non for profit organizations, and a lot of those contracts
are coming up for renewal right now. As a state,
the power companies are so scared about what approaches are
going to be going forward that a lot of them

(26:14):
I'm not I'm not even agreeing to write contracts. They're
just saying, well, we're just two or three of them.
So the price rise is already predicted around thirty percent,
and I've seen three of them already just smiling.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah. Yeah. And of course nuclear generation comes with a
huge cost at this point in the initial investment, looking
at billions and billions and billions of dollars potentially, I mean,
and trying to build something in New Zealand, and that's
an issue. If we can't even build a hole in
the ground for under five under six billion dollars, then

(26:48):
then we're going to have trouble to build a nuclear
power plant. But that's why I'm talking about these small
modulary actors and all the technology that's coming in there.
I mean, there's a potential that we'll have in fifteen
years will have container sized nuclear power plants. Yeah, so
we just need to open our mind.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
John, thank you very much. And just on that point,
I was a big supporter of the Lake Onslow project,
but that was sixteen billion dollars. And now I'm looking
at that project and thinking, thank god they ditched that.
But you could put not that we have sixteen billion dollars.
But I think, you know, going forward, you know, luckily
they ditched that. But now they could look at a
strategy like you're talking about here, what is a small
reactor cost?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Well smaller I don't know. I don't know how much
they cost now a lot, but we're talking about the future.
They're currently still in the billions, and you know they're
looking at I mean, there's a nuclear power plant that
someone was looking at a building that was eighty eight
billion in the UK, so that's not great. But the
ideas as they become modular, and that you know, modular

(27:48):
being that making it possible for systems and components to
be factory assembled and transported as a unit to a
location for installation, then that makes it very very different.
So that that is the future. And when that starts
happening and they start coming off the production line, then
that changes absolutely everything.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Love it.

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Speaker 3 (28:17):
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Speaker 2 (28:19):
We're talking about nuclear power, nuclear reactors in New Zealand
pumping up our grid. Is it a possibility in the future.
Do we need to open our minds to it just
in case the technology comes right such we could afford
it a text to here on nine two nine two
seys nuclear fission reactor. Where do we put it? Do
all the new safeties cover nucleus missile strikes, not nuclear
missile strokes, missile strokes, or do we just become an

(28:40):
efficient state to wipe out in the case of a
modern war. No, it's a different thing. The uranium is
not enriched enough that you know, you could hit it
with whatever you want, and it's not gonna it's not
going to form a train reaction like a nuclear bond does.
It's only enrich to five percent. I believe the uranium
that you use in a reactor totally different thing.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
So that solves that one. Yep, Donald, how are you?

Speaker 16 (29:02):
I'm good saying so I'm not overly keen, because I
mean a way afford it. The a heck of a
lot of oppos listening to put it in South Auckland
or you know, near Wayuka or something like that, that
the immediately opposition. I'm just assuming that I'm on the
other end of the island. A couple of things. I'm
wondering if either of you actually ever seen a nuclear
power station in person.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yes, yes, okay, Well, the one that I saw is
not a good example was that I was in Japan
after the earthquake and had a tour as close as
we could get to Fukishima, and I could see it,
but we couldn't get that close obviously because what had happened.

Speaker 16 (29:36):
Were you concerned about yourself?

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Well, no, because it was part of a tour group
and they got us to a point that was safe.
They had Geiger counters and all the rest of it,
So that part was a bit scary. But there was
no men in you know, full suits and all that
sort of thing going on. But it was interesting to
see it from a distance.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (29:56):
I had a trip to I know it was years ago.
I went around America by greyhound in nineteen eighty as
part of a two months trip, six weeks travel. On
the very last day, I got the Greyhound from San
Diego up to La About part way out the coast
appears be a great big nuclear power station between them
freeway and the coast. This is about an hour two
north of San Diego. As surprised he'd be by the

(30:16):
shape of it, and that had to be commercial tomatoes
or something grown right.

Speaker 9 (30:20):
Up to the eat.

Speaker 16 (30:21):
Yeah, truly, Wow, is that safe?

Speaker 17 (30:24):
You know?

Speaker 16 (30:24):
I mean, I know it's California, but no doubt it's
still there. It was the last day in America and
I've done it by a bus six weeks and got
right across and I was started to see It's the
first time that I'd ever seen, you know, and I thought, well,
I assume it's still there people, I know, because people
going to America. I haven't been back ever since because
I'm at me on flying, but it was my only
chance to see one, you know. But if you have

(30:44):
to north of me, about forty minutes, Palmas North is incredible.
There's about eighty eight wind turbines on the hill there
and the more you look for your see and it's
if you use a saddle road like I had to
two years ago. The faurbines are very close and you
almost feel like the blades are going to fly through
the car windscreen, you know. And just another brief one.
Just you've heard of a town called Shannon. There is
a place called Manga. How is a steep little river

(31:05):
there and they got damned in the nineteen twenties built
a tunnel that was New Zealand's first hydro electric scheme.
It's quite a small power station in a place called
Shannon on a man Our River where there's river rafting,
and I believe it was the first hydro electric power
station New Zealand. It actually ended up supplying sort of
southern North Island Greater Wellington with power in nineteen twenty
four and it still operates. Was the first, you know,

(31:26):
but of course they were pioneer days. But I mean
there were plans to build a dam on the Otechi River,
which is quite broad and regional amount of water. But
these have never come to fruition. You know, so much
for these days and what these plants used to be
and maybe well maybe I'll just have to.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Wait and see, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
But well, it's interesting you were saying about the tomatoes
growing beside the power plant. The World Health Organization has
said that it's safer to work in a nuclear power
plant than a big city office. As the urban air
pollution of ozone, sulfur, carbon monoxide, and nitrogenoxa causes seven
million deaths annually, only zero point zero zero five percent
of the average Americans yearly radiation dose comes from nuclear power.
That is two hundred times less than a cross country flight,

(32:03):
one hundred times less than what you get from coal,
and about the same as eating one banana per year.
So it's about as dangerous as bananas.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, what does that change your thoughts on?

Speaker 18 (32:12):
Well?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, it's good facts. Fact. Cheers cheers, Donald. And I
suppose when we're talking about the technology that you've mentioned
numerous times, the smaller type reactors that are now being
developed and coming to the four, we're not talking about
populating New Zealand with the Simpson style nuclear reactor, are we. Yeah,
it's going to complement what we do with renewables. Is

(32:35):
that that's the idea behind it.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, that's true. And then and the Simpsons have got
a lot to blame for the fear Mangerine. There's the
movie The China Syndrome I believe it, believe it was,
and that came out. This is part of the reason
why people are so terrified about nuclear power plants, despite
the lack of major meltdowns and problems in the world,
is that a movie came out called The China Syndrome

(32:57):
and then three weeks later, Three Mile Island melted down.
So it was two major events so close together, and
then that sort of created the whole culture that continues
on to this day. And of course then we had
Noval as well, and then for Coatuma recently, so there's
been these big things in our minds that stuck out.
But When you actually count the numbers of the and
the damage that's been done by these compared to the

(33:19):
hours and the amount of power generated, it's much less
than traditional sources of generating energy.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah, so what was the deal with three Mile There
was obviously contamination than they had to declassify that reactor
for some time. But as I think Mike was talking
about this this morning, those three Mile Island reactors are
potentially going to be restarted soon.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, they're starting very very soon. But no one died
at three Mile Island despite all the hype, and most
epidemiological studies found that it had no detectable health consequences
on anyone.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
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Speaker 4 (34:06):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
We're talking about nuclear power generation. It's in the news
in Australia. One size says they want it, the other
side says they don't. But do we want it? Here
there's a text on nine two nineteen. Nuclear is not clean.
The waste must be stored for millions of years. When
you see levels rise as bikini athletes, the Pacific is stuffed. Okay,
Pacific ethletes ninety seven percent of the waste. This is

(34:29):
just counter that ninety seven percent of the waste created
by nuclear plants waste as classified as low or intermediate level.
All the nuclear waste in the US is often compared
to the size of a football field part fifty meters high.
The World Nuclear Socian describes the waste as encapsulated in
highly engineered casks in stable vitrified form and is placed
at the depths well BeO the biosphere. Such long term

(34:50):
geological storage solutions are designed to prevent any movement of
radioactivity for thousands of years, so even in the event
of an earthquake or natural disaster, these repositories will keep
the waste from reaching the surface and are realizing radiation.
In addition, so and ninety six percent of the waste
gets recycled can be recycled back through the system.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah Gooduh, Greg, you think we've talked here, you go, mate, Matt, Yeah.

Speaker 15 (35:16):
Hey, I think we should look at it.

Speaker 8 (35:17):
I think we've had a head in.

Speaker 19 (35:19):
The sand attitude about this for years and that stupid
policy we've got. We actually, and I quote from the
Listening Article of at least twelve years ago to still.

Speaker 18 (35:27):
Have hold of it.

Speaker 19 (35:28):
We had over seven hundred shipments a year of industrial
for industrial, medical and scientific services of nuclear product into
New Zealand. What do people think it's in your smoke
alarms orhen you have an X ray, you're not nuclear
friend and so you know they could address safety concerns.
I think there's something we should seriously look at because

(35:50):
all these so called renewables have proved a problem. I mean,
we've had that ridiculous situation where we've imported rubbish coal
from Indonesia and we've got our own coal and it's
coming here on thirty ships and so forth, which is ridiculous.
As far as the nuclear weapons for our security, I
had no problem for the Americans turning up with something here,

(36:11):
and I was I'm digressing here. I was a bit
of pulled by just under and German aucast came up.
She should they won't be welcomed the submarine senor the
Australian subs. But someone was coming down to have a
crack of this would soon be quite happy to come
under the nuclear umbrella.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
M Yeah, it's a fair point, Greg, I mean, just
on that, just on the first point you mentioned there
about our nuclear free stance, do you think attitudes has
shifted dramatically since then?

Speaker 9 (36:40):
I do.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
I think if there was a servant, I imagine there
has been in the last couple of years, and I'll
try and find that. But I imagine most people when
asked that question about nuclear energy would be far more
open minded than they were twenty years ago.

Speaker 19 (36:52):
Oh of course, just like you know when I went
over Season eighty seven to Europe and that I had
the New Zealand nuclear free tooth year, and I thought
I would stuck it up everyone and aren't we great?
But no one gave a toss of Now that no
one came up to me, And seven and a half
years Overseason Living and Europe have been out in Israel,
no one came up and congratulated me over our policy.

(37:13):
And it was almost a hysteria that was worked up.

Speaker 20 (37:15):
At the time.

Speaker 19 (37:17):
And you know, this retill were so great. You know,
there were people of that frightened because there was talk
of having a limited nuclear war in Europe. Well, I mean,
I'll say this, nuclear weapons are horrible, with so chemical
weapons and we could read the world of each one
of them tomorrow, say do it, but it's just not realistic.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call greg
and an interesting thing as well as people. If you're
buying cars in New Zealand, many of them are made
through energy generated by nuclear power plants. So yeah, well,
of course, because they're made in Japan, and they're made
in China, and they're made in the US some cars

(37:56):
and that there, and you know anything made in France.
I mean, seventy percent of France's powers generated from nuclear
power plants. So you are enjoying the fruits of nuclear
power generation, whether you like it or not.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, John, we've got about sixty seconds.

Speaker 21 (38:14):
Oh that's not much time, right. One of the things
with nuclear that they never mentioned is the decommissioning cost
of a nuclear power station.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
I lived in the UK.

Speaker 21 (38:24):
During the eighties and nineties and they started decommitioning their
first nuclear power stations. It suddenly dawned on them it
was going to cost them more to decommission them than
they ever made profit from the electricity they generated. Right,
and you add that onto the cost of building them
and then having to store all this stuff once they

(38:44):
decommission it, because you know, if you bury it deep underground,
that's a huge cost doing that Economically, they're just not worthwhile.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah. But I guess what we're saying here is, John,
is that we're we're talking about being open to the
new advances in things such as the small modulary actors,
which have a much smaller construction cost and a much
smaller decommission cost. So I guess what you're saying right
now absolutely that the old power plants might not have

(39:12):
been worth it with the decommissioning. But there's new technology
coming through all the time.

Speaker 21 (39:17):
Yeah, but it's not ready and it's not going to
be ready for years.

Speaker 9 (39:20):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Well, I mean, but you know, we can talk in
fifteen twenty years, but now it might be the time
to think about it. We've got to start thinking as
a country long term around our power, especially if we're
going to be pushing people into evs and.

Speaker 21 (39:32):
Such to generate power quicker. Take those hydro dams in
the South Island, huge bodies of water, put floating solar
palms on them. Yeah, so then connect straight into the
power system because it's right there.

Speaker 7 (39:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Oh sorry, John. We might try and get to talk
to you after the break, but we're also going to
talk to doctor David croftcheck senior lecture in physics at
Auckland University about this. So nuclear power generation in New Zealand. Yeah,
on a talk about it.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
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Speaker 3 (40:31):
Sebby, good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
Being a great discussion about nuclear energy.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, I love talking about this subject. It was all
started off when leading global experts in Australia could build
its first nuclear actor within twelve years. Dunton loves it,
but the current government Australia hates it. But what about here?
Is it time to open our minds to nuclear power generation.
It's getting cheaper. There's innovations all over the shop. If
we don't open our minds now will we be left behind?

(41:01):
And to that end, we've we've managed to track down
we thought it'd be important to because I'm I'm not
a physicist.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
No surprisingly neither am I.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
I do spend a lot of time watching physics videos
on YouTube and my feed is absolutely packed with them
because I'm interested in it, but I'm not smart enough
to fully understand things. So we've tracked down an expert
from Walkland University.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
We certainly have, and he's on the line now. His
name is doctor David kraft Cheek. He's a senior lecturer
in physics at the University of Auckland. David, A very
good afternoon.

Speaker 22 (41:32):
To you, Deephine, thanks for having.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
The doctor kraftcheck. How safe is nuclear power generation.

Speaker 22 (41:38):
It's safer than you hear in the news because you
hear terrible disasters in Fukushima and Chernobyl and in my
home state of Pennsylvania, even in the nineteen seventies three
Mile Island. But these are really abnormal events. They are
not the normal path for the operation of nuclear power plants.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Now, when it comes to the waste product of nuclear
power generation, I understand that around ninety six percent of
it be reused, but houseife is the disposal of the
final full pascene.

Speaker 22 (42:13):
Most of the waste now is stored on site in
these nuclear power plants. And that's kind of a shame
because I know that in the US there was underground
burial facilities constructed in Yucca Mountain, which is a big
mountain range stable geology in Nevada, and that seems to work.

(42:37):
And there are test sites also built in Los Alamos,
New Mexico, and then underground tunnels into the mountain. And
in Finland as already dug another underground tunnel which you'll
start taking its first waste from their nuclear power plants
next year, in twenty twenty five. So there are solutions

(42:58):
for this.

Speaker 18 (42:59):
It is really.

Speaker 22 (43:01):
The initial fear of insurance and these kind of costs
on scientific costs that have made storage long term storage
of nuclear fission waste almost unachievable.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
What the advancement of technology doctor, has the argument considerably
changed in terms of feasibility of nuclear power in New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (43:28):
The technology change that has me most intrigued as a
small modular reactors. Now these devices would be good for
baseline power and they're about maybe one hundred times smaller
in power output than your conventional nuclear power plant. And

(43:50):
dozens of small startup companies around the world are racing
to get a small modular reactor size of freight containers
for example, around the world. And there fits and starts
to the first generation of anything. And I think the
first generation of automobiles of the first generation of small

(44:12):
modular reactors. So people are exactly sure which model will
win out in the end. So maybe in the twenty thirties,
I think if that is when most of these companies
are really going to produce the first models, But you
really want to get one that comes off like an
assembly line once the model has been proven to be
cross effective and working. And I think I'd love for

(44:34):
New Zealand to be open minded above that to provide
baseline power because we can do our solar energy and
we can do our wind power, but the intermittency problem
there just doesn't go away.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
So if New Zealand wants to be part of a
future that involves nuclear energy, what should we do now?
Do we need to open up our minds to it
or do we have to change laws to look into it.

Speaker 22 (45:05):
It's more a way of thinking because fact right now
we could probably somewhere around ninety percent of our energy
is renewable sources, which is amazing, and I'm really confident
that we could eventually reach you know, practically one hundred
percent renewable energy in New Zealand. But with the climate
changing and maybe water sources drying up so your hydropower

(45:30):
doesn't become as readily available, and intermittency with wind and sun,
we just need to live through this and that will change.
I suspect that's the practical changes that people will experience
and leave them maybe more open minded for a small

(45:51):
modular type reactor.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
So you're signing within fifteen twenty years there might be
a financial and scipher why that we could bring nuclear
power into New Zealand that would add that would add
to a grid and be a benefit for New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (46:08):
Yeah, I think I'm not sure. I would want to
be the first country, the very first model off the floor,
you know, the new sports car? Do you really want
to buy that new sports car when it's the first version.
And we were fortunately able to have such renewable energy
that we can wait and watch and then pick the
time when the small modular reactors are actually feasible because

(46:34):
right now costs are changing and rising, and there's different
technologies and different attempts and we're not quite sure which
one will be the winner yet. So I don't want
to pick a winner right now. I want to see
who are actually going to win before we couldn't move
into it.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Oh well, thank you so much for your time. That
was Dr David Croftcheck senior lecture in physics at Oakland University.

Speaker 6 (46:58):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
I do want to be the person that buys the
first sports car off the lot. Yeah, jump brought on there.
So that's what doctor David cross Jeck thinks, a senior lecturer,
a physicist at up In University. But what do you think?
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Is it time to
open our minds and think about nuclear power in New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (47:19):
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Speaker 1 (47:24):
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Speaker 3 (47:29):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty News Talk said,
be good afternoon. At sixteen past two, we're talking about
nuclear energy in New Zealand? Is it time to invest
in that strategy now? With emerging technology, Chayenne, what do
you say, Well, I think.

Speaker 23 (47:44):
We're going to think logical, not practical when it comes
to nuclear Now, I know a very well, we've got
the dams right and they're built.

Speaker 24 (47:54):
Thinking about building.

Speaker 23 (47:56):
These nuclear plants, but you've got to think cost. Sufficient's
going to what's going to cost more building wind farms
and soli panels or building on or building nuclear plants.
You've got to think constroficient in the long run. You've
got to think about savings for the customers who are
paying for the power, because in the long run will

(48:20):
end up getting getting paying more charges for power if
they go ahead and build these these nuclear power plants.
But also, I mean trans power also are thinking backwards
right now, because what they're not thinking of is they
should be thinking about buildings wind farms and these solo panels,

(48:44):
which will make a lot easier on everybody's budget. If
they did that, it makes it thinks a lot easy
on their customers.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Fair enough, Yeah, I guess there's a couple of things there. Firstly,
the intimateateent nature of you know, solar and wind is
a problem in this country. The batteries needed to store it,
so you know, if you were going to if we're
going to invest in nuclear power, it would be as
part of the entire Look, we're not going to get

(49:11):
rid of the hydroeleistics. We'd still want to do sustainable,
but it will be adding to it in the future.
And when you talk about the costs, yeah, the cost
now is insane to build a power plant. But those
are the old school power plants as opposed to you know,
as as we're talking before with doctor David krodchick Croft
check about this new technology that's coming through these small

(49:32):
modular reactors. So things would have to change into the future.
So but if the price was was down and affordable,
would you be open to thinking about nuclear energy?

Speaker 23 (49:44):
Well, yes, if they can get them down to those
container size this, yeah, that would be all all well,
but also too, I mean, if they went ahead and
decided the changes, they might have built these big power
plants they gave and snowbol I mean, what happened made
their big clake that's does not everything off off off
the plate? I mean, and what happened to all the waste?

(50:05):
It was going to take them years and years nearest
dispose of the ways are say, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
So you know, looking into that. You know, Fukushima wasn't
quite as bad as they thought it was. There was
fifty nine deaths out of Chernovo. But when it comes
down to the new nuclear pot plants, I was reading
this Harvard study and it found that newer generations of
nuclear actors, particularly there's these ones called these pebble bed reactors,
and they're denying designs that so that the nuclear chain

(50:32):
reaction cannot run away and cause them ount down even
in the event of a complete failure of the actor's machinery,
and that the moder actors, it's actually impossible for them
to melt down in the way that Chinovo did and
the way that and the things like that happened at
Fukushima aren't impossible. I mean, people have asked where Fukushima
was built in a crazy place. So if you're building
the New Zealand, you would obviously think long and hard

(50:53):
about where you were going to build them. Yeah, you
probably wouldn't want to build them on a fault line.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Chuanne, thank you very much, But just on Fukushima, I
take it. I mean there were many lessons learned after that, right,
and that is probably some of the technology that started
to emerge with what happened with Fukushima. Yep, we get it.
Japan and is similar to New Zealand. We're in the
ring of fire, lots of earthquakes. But mistakes were made
in the construction of that nuclear reactor. And you'd think
the Japanese in particular, they're still using nuclear energy, they've

(51:19):
learned a lot from that.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Well, that's the same with everything, isn't it that you know,
if you know, the first nuclear actor went online in
nineteen fifty five, So if you're using technology from the
fifties and sixties and seventies and even eighties, it's very
different from technology from twenty twenty four and going forward.
So if we're talking about what doctor David cross Check

(51:41):
was saying, we're talking about ones that come off the
production line in ten fifteen years, and these are going
to be highly advanced and have very little in common
except for the basics of the basic idea of a
nuclear power generation, which is basically heading a ride up
by firing neutrons at atoms. Apart from that, they're going

(52:03):
to have very little in common.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
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Speaker 3 (52:21):
Three past two. Fascinating conversation about nuclear energy mats.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah, that's right, so leading globally experts. So Australia could
build its first reactor within twelve years, but the current
government Australia's against it. What do we think about nuclear
power in New Zealand? Do we want to open our
minds to it? Martin? Your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (52:41):
Hi the chips?

Speaker 24 (52:42):
Yeah, well I'm for it, special for the future and
that's the way where to go. Especially what they said
about is new container sized nuclear reactors. But are we
looking at probably twenty twenty five, maybe thirty years before
New Zealand would embrace that. I just feel in the
meantime more investments should be put into wind and solar

(53:06):
and going forward. I think the government should make it
a stipulation that any new build property has to have
solar panels. I mean, I think that's I'm so surprised
that that's not part of the criteria at the moment,
I just feel that with a popular agent of five million,

(53:27):
I mean, who's going to invest in nuclear power in
the first place. Is it going to be private investors?
Is it going to be the government?

Speaker 4 (53:35):
You know?

Speaker 24 (53:35):
I just feel it's if you look at the economics,
surely be more money into solar, wind and hydro is
better economics than nuclear.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah, and absolutely more practical right now. But putting that
in place, But I guess what I'm talking about, Well,
I know what I'm talking about. I don't guess what
to talk about. But is just changing the mindset now
so we're open to it. Because part of the reason
why we are so anti nuclear power in the Western
world is because of a nineteen seventy nine and thriller

(54:08):
called The China Syndrome, And twenty two days after that
we had the Three Mile Island situation. So when you've
got a big film about a nuclear mountadown and then coincidentally,
twenty two days later a plant has a problem. Even
though no one died in Three Mile and the ecological
damage was pretty much non existent, it's still created a fear.

(54:31):
And I think in New Zealand we're running in this
mindset that nuclear is bad. We're thinking of Fukushima, we're
thinking of Gerovo. We've just had that huge Netflix series
which was fantastic, sure, but it did fill us full
of fear. So if we are looking at things and
the power grid in New Zealand, we do need to
be thinking fifteen, thirty, thirty five years out. So even
though it's not going to be tomorrow, I'm just really saying,

(54:54):
is it time to start not being scared about it now?

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:58):
And the old phrase the best time to invest in
anything is yesterday. I mean it does ring true. But
just to Martin's point on solar plant power and the
idea of every new home that gets built with solar
power in mind, to me that's not a silly idea.
But I know people have a lot of thoughts about
the efficiency of solar power, whether the technology can generally

(55:18):
get better because there's only so much energy you can
get from sunlight.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Well, yeah, and it's all about the batteries. I mean,
it's all very well having the solar panels, but where
you're getting the batteries from. If you're getting the batteries
from China, then those batteries have been likely built in
some part with nuclear power. So you're still in the game.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Yeah, you know. I mean there's always a catch, isn't there.
The same with the wind turbines. And the caller before
mentioned the blades, and he's quite right. I was dubious
and look that up some time ago, and they can't
do anything with the blades. They cannot recycle that.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Well, yeah, you need to factor and when you're saying
something is renewable, you need to factor in all the
manufacture of it, all the installation of it, and the
decommissioning of it as well, and the whole It's not
just once it's spinning, whether it's renewable or not. But
it's a great chat. Eight hundred and eighteen eighty. What
do you think about nuclear power? Are you for it
in New Zealand? Are you for us defail verification of it?

(56:09):
And I'm not sure if that's a word, is it?

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Deferification sounds good to me, believe that one up put
that in the Oxford diction.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
That sounds like a word that Home would say. And
the Simpsons speaking of nuclear energy. But yeah, the deforification
of our thought process are around nuclear power.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
And I tell you who, we're gonna have a chat
with very shortly Max Bradford. He was a former National
Minister of Energy. Oh yeah, it was one of the
men that was involved in the reform of our electricity network.
He'll have a lot to say about that.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
And I'm looking forward to talking to him.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
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Speaker 3 (58:01):
Thank you very much, Raylean, that is us and we're
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Speaker 2 (58:04):
Look, I just wanted to mention there. That's why accidentally
came through on the news that I can confirm that
the word I use, deforification is not a real word. Well,
and broke the internet when I put it in there.
It just came back with nothing, just a picture of
a guy fishing. So someone can help me. What do
I mean by deferification. What's the best word. I guess
I'm trying to say alay fears, But if deforification of
a society around nuclear power isn't a word. Maybe we

(58:26):
need to add it to the Oxford English Dictionary.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
A contender for sure deforification.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
I like it.

Speaker 9 (58:32):
Now.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
We have been having a great chat about nuclear energy
and I'll tell you what. The man who had a
hand in designing the current electric system, and he did
say some time ago that New Zealand should consider nuclear
power to provide baseload for the power grid. His name
is Max Bradford. Many people will remember Max, former National
Minister of Energy. Very very good afternoon to you, Hi guys,

(58:54):
So you're doing.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Very good, Thanks for calling in today. Now is nuclear
power a realistic option for New Zealand?

Speaker 5 (59:00):
In your opinion, it will be with thintay ten years,
possibly less. And what's more, will not only be an option,
it'll become a necessity. We're lucky to be producing at
the moment something north of ninety percent of our power

(59:22):
through renewable sources, but it's pretty unreliable. And you may
recall the hullabaloo that was about a month or two
months ago when power prices went through the roof, and
that really is a reflection of the fact that we
pend for unreliable primary energy and our in water and

(59:48):
wind and increasing their solar so we have to look
at ways of producing power when the rains and raining
and the winds and blowing to meet the needs of consumers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
We're talking to Mikes Bedford, former nest Extal Minister of Energy, Max.
So when you say, what about the battery situation, So
if we have renewable energy in storing it, what are
the problems around batteries.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Well, the problem simply is that you can't store enough
energy to provide power for maybe a week to for
half the consumption of the country. South Australia has tried
to do it. They invested a half a billion dollars
in Tesla batteries and all that provides when they're fully

(01:00:45):
loaded up is about I'm told about seventy minutes of
the power needs of South Australia. So that's not really
it's not really an option, and that's why we have
to look at things like geothermal and a new nuclear
options which I have no doubt will become cost effect

(01:01:08):
of against the other options that we have like wind,
hydro and geothermal.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Is the argument Max that has popped up again and
again when this conversation comes to the four that we
are in the ring of fire, that we are an
earthquake prone nation with a new technology. Is that argument
almost to.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
Funt By and large, it will be if they if
a promise of modular units of generation from nuclear is
actually comes out of the market. Those modular units produce

(01:01:51):
about three hundred and fifty to five hundred megawatts at least,
that's what they're aiming to do, and that's about the
size of the plants that we need to incrementally add
to our system. So the and if they're in containers
or in much smaller units, they become less less dangerous

(01:02:16):
to us because of the fact that we live on
the rim of fire. There are a couple of other
things that you might factor into your discussion as well.

Speaker 6 (01:02:27):
One is that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
Most of our renewable energy from hydro is generated at
the bottom of the South Island, and most of the
demand is in the top of the North part, so
that transparers to spend billions of dollars in shipping north
from Otago right up to Auckland.

Speaker 25 (01:02:55):
Well, that's one expense.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
That we won't need to do if we can get
modular nuclear plants that can be placed much closer to Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
What are the current laws around us? We're talking to
mix Breads form a national Minister of Energy. What are
the current laws around nuclear in New Zealand? Obviously we
have the nuclear weapons ban, but what are the laws
around nuclear generation here?

Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
Well? I don't think there any.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Actually, it's a decision that successive governments have taken because
of our nuclear free status. But we have to get
over that and look at the new modular units which
starting to come online. I don't know whether it's been
brought up in discussion, but China has just started up

(01:03:46):
the first of the new modular units in China a
week or so ago, so you know they're not that
far away. The NATRIA units in the US are going
to be coming online within eighteen months to two years,
so that we're not going to have to waite a
huge amount of time. Frankly, we all to be establishing

(01:04:09):
a unit within the Ministry of in the Ministry of
Science and Development whatever they call it now, to keep
our eye on these developments so that we at least
are informed about what the opportunities are and what the
dangers are and how long it's going to be before
we can introduce them. If that's what the government decides.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah, thing so much. Max Bradford, former National Minister of Energy,
Thank you so much for calling in. It's it's very interesting.
What do you think eight hundred eighty ten eighty Before
all that starts, we need the deforification of nuclear energy
generation in this country.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
It's going to catch on, I say you. It's twenty
two to three.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on. Oh eight
hundred eighty Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
News talks, be very good afternoon. We're talking about nuclear
energy and the possibility of US investing in New Zealand. Neil,
you want to talk about fusion versus fission.

Speaker 8 (01:05:10):
Oh yeah, but personally your phrase the verification otherwise known
as hard enough.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Hardening up of the country around the nuclear generation that works.
Thank you for that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:25):
The doctor that you had on before touched on the
nuclear fission reactors. But the best form of nuclear reaction
is up in the sky of course a big yellow ball.
Of course, nuclear fusion reactor, which is combining of helium
and hydrogen as opposed to splitting it at him. Just
a quick science lesson there.

Speaker 15 (01:05:46):
The race is on.

Speaker 8 (01:05:47):
It has been on for some years now to crack
the nuclear fusion code, and that's again future proofing. You're
looking at fifteen to twenty to thirty years away. As
soon as someone in the worldwide science community cracks that, baby,
we've got an virtually unlimited supply of clean energy. And

(01:06:09):
interesting enough, is a guy, doctor Rattu Matider in New Zealand.
Look him up. He's been funded to actually pursue that
form of research.

Speaker 11 (01:06:21):
So yeah, I love this.

Speaker 8 (01:06:23):
I love the subject because again, you know, looking towards
the future. You guys mentioned that wind and solder are
very good as long as there's suns and winds, and
of course scoring it as the issue at the moment. Yeah,
I love just thought of having nukelear fusion.

Speaker 11 (01:06:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
So for the longest time for me, like I've looked
into nuclear fusion and it has seemed a long way away.
So are we closer than we used to be. There's
a lot of talking about plasmas and and and you know,
every now and then they're a breakthrough. And it became
a little bit like the perpetual motion machine where you
when you looked into it, it wasn't really going anywhere.
About you saying that we're closer to nuclear fusion now

(01:07:04):
than we have been.

Speaker 8 (01:07:06):
Yeah, well, yeah, again, it's not going to be cracked
in the next five to ten years. Although they're now
using AI to solve a few of the issues that
go with it, the main issue is generating the heat
that needed to get the reaction going. I mean, I'm
not a scientist, but what I read about it, and
what I can understand is that's the main thing that's
stopping any further progress or any quick progress. So yeah,

(01:07:31):
I'll just keep my eye on it, and as they
get closer and closer, and if they start throwing out
public shares on it, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Well interesting. I mean I looked up that DOCA that
you talked about, and his startup is called open Star,
and I take it that they he's managed to raise
quite a bit of money for that startup.

Speaker 8 (01:07:48):
Yes, So I mean there's people out there that have
got the coin to be able to, oh well it's going,
you know, throw a bit of money into this list.
Is interesting, This is something in the future could happen. Yes,
so yeah, very very you know, yeah, you've got a
young he's interesting. Interesting characters of course, being Malory as well.
He's come from a background, whereas Muther was, Oh, I

(01:08:09):
won't go down the track anyway, but yeah, yeah, just yeah,
bring it on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Well, thank you so much for you call, Neil, just
to clarify that for people that aren't across it. Fission
occurs when a nuclear and neutron slams into a larger atom,
forcing it to excite and split into two smaller atoms.
But that creates a huge amount of energy, but it
also creates the waste was Fusion occurs when to adams
slam together to form a heavier atom, like when two

(01:08:33):
hydrogen atoms fuse to form one helium atom. So that
doesn't have the same It has a huge amount of energy,
not quite as much as fission, but we will see
how it goes. But it's a lot safer and it
doesn't create the same process that powers the sun. It
creates huge amounts of energy, several times greater than fusion.
It also doesn't produce highly active fission product products, so
it's real complex. So if you have the fusion, you

(01:08:55):
have all the benefits of fission without the radioax and
toxic waste promise and risks.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Yeah, sounds exciting, Mike, what's your thoughts about nuclear energy
in New Zealand.

Speaker 20 (01:09:09):
Interesting conversation and good to listen to Max Bradford. You
could all miss the coin of phrase you could smell
the uranium on his breath. Anyway, Anyway, am I little
bit at it. I'm no nuclear physicist, but it's interesting

(01:09:32):
the fact that back in the nineteen seventies there were
plans to build a nuclear power station north of Helensville
on the Kuiper Harbor, and I've seen the plans in fact,
and also the fact that there was the pylon on

(01:09:56):
State Highway twelve. If you look out the pylon was
actually built.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Wow.

Speaker 20 (01:10:02):
Oh yeah, I couldn't believe it when I was told
about it. When you got a search kind of internet search,
you can see the plans that were done. And I
think the political reasons that probably wasn't advanced at that stage.

(01:10:23):
But I mean, nuclear technology has kind of has a
huge amount. I've got a grandson who's working on on
nuclear submarines and in Hawaii now and and like and
we we have we have actually produced some very clever

(01:10:49):
young men and women in this country that have the
that have the ability to be able to do it.
And so I think bring it on. I mean, like
when when you're talking about as as they were discussing,
you know, the hydro power produced in the bottom of

(01:11:10):
the South, got to get it a long way to
where the major power users are.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Yeah, that's what the problem with t Why point the
power generator for that that you can't just redirect it
up the country without a huge cost. Mike, So you
said you've seen the plans for this potential nuclear power
plant at CIPRA. Obviously wasn't built. Did it look like
a classic Simpson's power plant Springfield power plant?

Speaker 20 (01:11:37):
Not at all, because it's not at all.

Speaker 10 (01:11:41):
It's all very serious.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Oh well, hey, thank you so much for very serious.
Thank you so much for your call. Mike.

Speaker 7 (01:11:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Interesting, I never knew about that neither.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I want to check out this pylon.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
I'm looking at it. Yeah, yeah, me too. I'm looking
at some information here, and he's quite right. I'll do
a bit more reading on. It was kind of kept
under wraps in the seventies because of what was going on,
and never obviously got off the ground. But very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. We'd prefer to have
one that was built in twenty thirty than one that
was built in the seventies, because the technology has moved
on so much since then.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is twelve minutes to three.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
V News Talks. Thereb it is ten to three just
before we go back to the calls. So the previous
caller was mentioning plans for a plant nuclear power plant
of sorts in New Zealand, and he's quite right. I
found some information. So in nineteen sixty six, Oyster Point
on the Kaipiter Harbor north of Auckland had been established
as the best location for a nuclear power plant. The

(01:12:47):
Navy conducted soundings. Engineers from the Electricity Department was sent
overseas to train up, and foreign experts offered advice, including
one Canadian who advised bringing in raw uranium for processing.
The plant needed to process the uranium would be no
bigger than the average New Zealand home, the press reported
at the time. The power station was made official in
recommendations and was to be commissioned in nineteen seventy seven,

(01:13:11):
but that was abandoned after we decided we didn't like
nuclear anymore. Interesting, Chris, how are you?

Speaker 16 (01:13:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:13:19):
Good things there I go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Now you want to talk about total power?

Speaker 18 (01:13:23):
Yes, because it's a renewable energy, which is you know,
the twenty four to seven it was actually a plan
to put it into the Kaipra as a trial with
a group, but the Green Party actually candidate because of
fish life, you know, so it never got off the ground,

(01:13:45):
which is a very a big shame.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
And you've looked into total power. What's the technology like
in terms of harnessing that Is it being used successfully overseas?

Speaker 18 (01:13:56):
Yes, there are in Holland and some other places like that.
It's selling new. The turbine is actually on the seafloor,
so they don't interrupt shipping at all. But the thing is,
you don't know what it's going to do to fish life.
But we've got you know, the Kuiper is the largest

(01:14:16):
metal harbor in the Southern Hemisphere, huge tidal power there
right beside Auckland other fung array up north. There's lots
of harbors that could use that technology as well as
cooked straight over straight. Yeah, and it is a totally

(01:14:37):
renewable energy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
It makes sense.

Speaker 18 (01:14:39):
You can't stop it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
You Well, look as you're talking about it, it makes
sense to me, Chris. What is the expense from for
producing these generators, these tidal generators.

Speaker 18 (01:14:49):
Well, I don't have you know the pricing on that,
but it wouldn't be I don't think it'll be anywhere
near what you'd be paying on a nucleus power Station's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
An interesting yeah, you carry on.

Speaker 18 (01:15:04):
Oh well, it's just they are turbine with blades much
different than a wind turbine. You know that they are
sideways rather than actually the big horizontal or whatever blades
on a wind turbine, and then cabling underneath. It's just,

(01:15:29):
you know, it's like chess thermal, it's there. It doesn't
matter about wind or sun is it goes twenty four seven.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Yeah, Well, just on the environmental concerns, you're quite right
that the title power can affect marine life. The turbines
rotating blades can accidentally kill the swimming sea life. Projects
such as the one in Strangford include a safety mechanism
that turns off the turbine when marine animals approach. So certainly.
You know, technology again has come a long way. Interesting
thing about title power.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Yeah, I guess everything in the mix title power, solar, wind,
hydro and a nuclear and probably less Indonesian coal if
we can probably if we can organize that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Sounds like a good idea, right, Well, that's been a
good discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
It certainly has. So we're going to need more and
more power that, it's for sure. And good luck damning
any more rivers in this country. And the intimate nation
of solar nature of solar and winds is a problem here,
isn't it. You're going to need billions and billions of
dollars a battery and that has a whole set of
problems with it as well. Nuclear power generation is much
safer than the use of being In fact, it's arguably

(01:16:34):
the safest form of power generation. Ninety six percent of
the waste is low risk and can be reused in
the four percent is and it can be safely built
around concrete, arounded and protected and put on the ground
and protect them from everything, including earthquakes. So while coal
and gas generation spew into the atmosphere and nuclear just
spews underground and we won't see it again for thousands
of years, and these new small modular generators are advancing fast,

(01:16:58):
so in ten fifteen years they might be the size
of containers. So I think we should open our minds
to nuclear power generation in New Zealand. And to use
a term I framed I came up with earlier today,
we need to lean into the deforification of nuclear power
and we need to uncouple it from our fear of
nuclear weapons, because they're totally different things. And if we

(01:17:19):
do this, we might just keep up with the world
and maybe not get left behind for once.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Yeah, quick question for you. Should the government be invested
in this? Should they be roping in the likes of
Meriadian contact to stop looking at your ideas for renewables
at this point and start looking at this strategy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Well, yeah, Like as Dr David Kroftcheck said from the
Physics Partment of the university, we need to open our
minds to it. We probably don't want to be the
first people to buy these ones. I do, but when
they come firing off the factory line, we need to
have our laws ready and our minds open to bring
it in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Do some deals with the Chinese now and get this
technology in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Hopefully the Americans start making them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Yeah right, good chat, Thank you very much for all
your phone calls on that one. After three o'clock we're
going to be talking about the rise of basketball in
schools and the lack of basketball courts.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Yeah, it's about become the number one sport in the country.
But we have five hundred courts shorts that do we
need to redirect our cash from more traditional sports? Oh wait,
undred eighty to Navy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
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Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Sibby, Well today, welcome back into the show. Seven past three.
Now you've been doing a bit of research, man.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah, so for the whole last hours using the word deferification,
I was talking about it, but it turns out it's
not a real word. I was making that up, but
I found out the word I was looking for with
the help of you lovely people on nine two, nine
and two. Destigmification is what I was looking for. Yeah,
so I'm reliably informed that destigmification is what I meant

(01:19:27):
around nuclear energy in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
All right, yeah, the verification is going to pick up though,
it's going to take over d You know who says
you can't make.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Up words exactly, but the language isn't static, it's not done,
so if I want to it, there's not a single
person that heard my word deforification didn't know what I
mean exactly. Just because it's not a word doesn't mean
it's not always not going to be a word.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
The French and German do it all the time, make
up words. But it's right. We're going to move on
to basketball in schools now. The story this morning, it
was an interview with Mike Costing very interesting that in
just over a year's time, basketball was set to become
the most popular sport in New Zealand. Faticipation jumping sixty one,

(01:20:08):
the sentence two thousand. They are big numbers, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Yeah, they certainly are.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
But here is where the concern is that New Zealand
is five hundred basketball court short to support the growing
popularity so sport school sport in z CEO Mike's summer
Rala told my Costkin that while schools have great facilities,
they can only cater for the smaller games, and national
competitions are maxing the current facilities out. He says. They

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all also have to share the courts with other sports,
and while they want games to be played indoors, space
is hard to come by.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Right, Okay, So what are they going to encroach on?
Do we need to build more courts or are they
going to start invading netty courts? Netball is netball under threat?
Start lowering the lowering the hoops and putting a backboard
on them. Is that what they're going to do? Or
they or divert money from rugby to building more courts?
Are we going to start covering over rugby fields with

(01:21:05):
lino so we can play basketball?

Speaker 11 (01:21:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Interesting, that's a huge change, isn't it? And I know
why because basketball is a sport a it's got the NBA,
and it's got the glamour and you know, it's got
that huge social media presence that the NBA does. It
has the superstars that people can get behind, and of
course it's a sport you can play by yourself. As

(01:21:29):
I've said before, you can play by yourself. You can
play but with two people you can play half court,
play full court. And if your kids you play on
a Friday evening to go to the opposition school gym.
When I played basketball, and I played it very seriously
when I was at high school, was often terrifying going
to another gym, but it was great going, especially if
you went to the private school gyms. They had a

(01:21:49):
flash gym and then we'd smash them and that was
a great source of joy for me. And then you
go out with your team and get a burger, and
then the weekend is yours exactly, you know, And that's
very different in terms of a commitment of prepared and
it's very different because your kids can just get to
the gym themselves generally and play the game. So there's
a lot of there's a lot in the favor of basketball.

(01:22:14):
And then you bring in you know, of course the
Breakers as well, a very successful and well run franchise.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
But if there's so many kids playing basketball over rugby,
and clearly that big numbers sixty one percent growth in
what twenty four years, and we need more basketball courts,
I mean, is it fast becoming that our national sport
is no longer our national sport aka rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Yeah, well it depends what you define your national sport as.
So we're definitely not beating the world at basketball. You know,
we've battered above our weight, it's not we're boxed above
our weight is the same, That doesn't quite work. We've
bounced above our weight.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
I like that we've dunked above our weight globally, but
we're still a long way back. And I think that
you know what the All Blacks bring to us, as
you know, even in a rebuilding year, we've still managed
to be incredibly competitive and you know, only lost four
games in a year so far. As long as a
touch would we beat Italy. So I think that on

(01:23:08):
the international stage rugby is still our national sport. And
look cricket, I mean huge, Look at that when we
beat India, whitewashed India in a Test series.

Speaker 6 (01:23:20):
So good.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
So to keep remembering that, so these.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Traditional sports or you know, are still achieving for us globally,
even if the kids are abandoning ship. But having said that,
if the best athletes, and I think you know, often
when you find a great athlete, then they're good across
another at number of sports. You see that at the
black clash when the rugby players are incredibly good at
at cricket and some of them could have chosen and

(01:23:45):
you know, so, of course we've had our double Internationals
between cricket and rugby, but if those great sports people
choose a different sport, then that does influence our achievement
globally and rugby going forward. In cricket.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
But if we think look at our superstars and basketball internationally,
there's only one name I can think of off the
top of my head, Steven Adams, and his rise to
the NBA is not one I'm familiar with, but I
imagine he was spotted by a talent scout early on
in his basketball playing career. Now he's earning what twenty
million dollars a year. So if young kids are wanting
to get into basketball in New Zealand, and that may

(01:24:23):
be a professional career part for them to earn some
good money. Clearly not everyone's going to get to Steven
Adams level, but I think that's a good thing. Yes,
we want our fantastic rugby players, but do we not
want to invest in the basketball players as well?

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Yeah? Well, Steven Adams had an advantage that a lot
of people don't have has this tech? Said, Heath, you
played basketball? You are five foot four? Mate? Well done,
that's from mars. I'm not five foot four. Yeah, I
was probably five foot four when I started playing basketball,
but I'm I'm six ' five. Yeah, fiveteen?

Speaker 12 (01:24:53):
Are you well?

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
I'm either fiveteen or six five? It's hard to say.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
I mean, I mean, there's not much that really was there? Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty? Should we or is now
the time to start diverting money from other sports in
New Zealand to build these five hundred courts we need.
That's what children want to get into and kids want
to play in school. Is that a wise investment? Do
we need to start encouraging these young basketball players now?

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Yeah? And of course we've also had Sean Mark's and
Kirk Penny as well, so we've we've had some really
spectacular basketball players come out of our country. But yeah,
I mean, how would you feel if money was diverted
if they started, as I said, paving over rugby fields

(01:25:37):
to play basketball? And you know, if your kids played
basketball eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, what's the experience
like in that? And if they've moved from basketball from
rugby to basketball. Then tell us what the experience is
for you as a parent.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Well, I've got a question for you. Both of your
sons play basketball.

Speaker 11 (01:25:54):
Do that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
No one of them will grab a basketball and go
and shoot hoopes and go half court with his mates. Yeah,
but he didn't play basketball at high school. But the
skill level is through the roof. I watched some high
school basketball recently and I was blowing away compared to
what it was like in the Logan Park gym for me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Yeah, and he got your height, didn't he? Well he's
about six to two.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
That's right. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
number to call. It's fourteen past three news talks, he'd
be seventeen past three.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
So basketball is set to become the most played sport
in New Zealand. But it looks like we're five hundred
court short. So we've been caught short something. It's very
good texted through with a few We need five hundred
more courts to keep playing it. So if it is
their most played sport, do we need to divote divert
funds from other sports?

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
Mark?

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
How do you feel about this topic?

Speaker 26 (01:26:50):
I think it's a great idea. I'm originally from Toned
and then we're relocated down to Southland and the Cargoll
and I remember when I was at school, we'd got
the Head Casino and Portsmouth Drive there as Monny as
you're from, yeah, and you wouldn't see much basketball there
at all. It was all either indoor cricket or indoor soccer,
and they did have a big basketball court. But I'll

(01:27:12):
tell you what, South and mcago has got an amazing
stadium down here also with a big belodrome on it. Now,
my boy goes to South and Boys High and he
is a basketball fanatic. He's only fourteen. And let's just
say between this, when when basketball is going down here,
it goes from four o'clock right up to eight point

(01:27:33):
thirty at night, and that's it's just multiple courts. It's
actually really impressive. And I put the big drive on
since basketball has been popular, because.

Speaker 24 (01:27:42):
Now that.

Speaker 26 (01:27:44):
We had it, we've got a team that joined the
Australian League, and not just that, but a lot of
the big cities of the Tager Nuggets and Southern Sharks
and the Giants will now has been televised and it's
been pushed more and it's out.

Speaker 6 (01:27:57):
There in the open.

Speaker 26 (01:27:58):
Well, I'll go home and my young fella will be
on YouTube on the smart TV, and he's forever watching basketball,
all the moves we've got to hoop out there, and
he's just forever out there. He plays rugby and all
that as well. But if he had his choice, he
would play basketball. I think invest in and decent sized

(01:28:19):
multi purpose sports centers where they have netball, basketball and
all sorts of stuff and use it for other stuff
as well. If basketball's going to take off, let's start
investing in it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Well, the Eger Center is a fantastic operation. That's with
the Ottaga Nuggets play obviously, and you can use that
for all kinds of things. My dad sometimes rent certain
flies as from sometimes rent certain flies as model aircraft
around and then yeah, you can be great. The center
is fantastic. You can rent it. But what what night

(01:28:53):
does your son play basketball? Mark?

Speaker 26 (01:28:57):
Oh, look, he's got he'll play mixed netball on a
Tuesday night. And if I remember rightly, it's a Thursday.
I can't keep that mate from the sports and the
kids and running around. And he plays on Thursday and
he'll ham and his mates to walk from Boys High
the Vala the big stadiums on there, like a teen
to fifteen minute walk from really where they're scholars. They'll

(01:29:18):
go there, and when you go there, it is just
so impressive to see the amount of young kids today
playing sport. On one side of the stadium you've got
the all the netball teams playing and in the larger
area you might have around about six or seven games
going on at them. The rest of all the courts
they all four courts. So I reckon, you know, invest

(01:29:43):
in multi purpose sports centers would be a big one. Like,
I think you're wasting your time spending money on outdoor
courts because basically basketball now it's kind of like cricket.
It's not just a summer sport. It's sometimes it's used
to be about all year round. So I'm all for Yeah, Hey,
which one of you guys are from Dunedin?

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Me man he Man eighth?

Speaker 26 (01:30:07):
Which is your I know you guys were talking about
duck shops and all that sort of stuff. Which was
your favorite fresh ship shop from Dunedum?

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Oh, that's that's a great, great question. Probably I was
into the me whar for a long time. You know
the Mewha near a Lambra and also the Likely's takeaways
remember Likely.

Speaker 26 (01:30:27):
Yeah, I'm I'm a pine hell boy, like my dad's
struggle the big farm up the Cargo Yah the Northeast
Valley onion sausages as the onion sausage people.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
People forget about the onion sausage. I've talked to people
about it up here. It's so much better than a
hot dog and it's is it?

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
Oh my god, Oh my god.

Speaker 26 (01:30:45):
When we come to him the Cargo, I go to
our fresh and chip shop, they never heard of an
onion onion sausage. Whenever I go to his need the
four Bree takeaways out there, and I always grabbed It's naughty,
but I always grabbed three onion sausages and I'll eat
them on the way.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
An onion sausage. Boy, I've never heard of it, haven't you.
Is it only an onion sausage only in Dunedin? But yeah,
because you can't get them up here. And an onion
sausage dipped and sauces. About the thing. What about that?
The chop sweet patty is another thing you only get
in the Targo fish and chip shops.

Speaker 26 (01:31:13):
I know, I tell you what the rest of his
yellon's missing that they need. And like the thing about
it's not the butchers that make it, it's the fish
and chip shop people that make it. What big long,
square looking things and a real onion in it. Yeah,
and like you know, half inch better and I mean more.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Here a man after my own heart. I'm constantly bringing
up the sausage.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
What the hell is it?

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
It's just it's just it's like, it's not like, say,
you will have a hot like a corn dog, a
hot dog right with a stick in it. This doesn't
have a stick in it. It's not made out of
a SAVOLOI. It's made out of an onion sausage and
it's got so much better in it, and you just
soak it in tomato sauce and it is. It could
be the most delicious thing on planet Earth.

Speaker 26 (01:31:54):
Oh, I tell you what, Like, visit the northeast Valley
of Fourbury Takeaway.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
I'll check that out.

Speaker 26 (01:31:57):
Actually, Yeah, honestly, the four Breath and the wee Chinese
couple have been there for not been there for good
forty years. I remember them as a kid just out
by Saint Clearway. And I tell you what, I speak. Yeah,
I don't tell the wife because she tells me that
to you know, watch my onion sausage.

Speaker 9 (01:32:18):
What is it?

Speaker 17 (01:32:18):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
There's something that goes on because the cheese roll, the
chop sewey paddy and the onion sausage don't make it
pass Timaru. They don't. They don't go past Timrou.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
And they should. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Yeah, somebody sound like, you know there's an American shop
in Auckland. They need to open a lower South Island shop.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Oh eight hundred that was a good chat about the onions.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
I could go deep into that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
We better bring it back to Basketballah, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Right, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Basketball is about
to be the most played sport in New Zealand. Do
we need to divert money from traditional sports to the
orange bouncy ball?

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
It is twenty three past three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
We're talking about the rise of basketball in school and
we are. It appears five hundred court short basketball courts
to support the growing popularity popularity that is from school
sport in z CEO Mike Smarel here to chat with
Mike Hosking.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
And supplementary topic, does attag on south and have the
best food in the country?

Speaker 13 (01:33:23):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
The techs coming through? About the onion sausages? Yeah, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty if you know where to
find an onion sausage in Auckland. Matt's all ears. But Bob,
you want to talk about head injuries.

Speaker 18 (01:33:36):
Uh?

Speaker 25 (01:33:36):
Yeah, Well I've been predicting, look for the last fifteen
years that basketball was going to be the lead sport
in New Zealand, simply because all the parents are directing
their kids to play a sport that's a lot safer
them playing rugby. It's inevitable.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Yeah. Well, I had a son and I wanted him
to play rugby, but his mum wasn't keen on that.
But also his granddad, Papa John, he was, I played rugby.
He played rugby for a long long time for the police,
and he was I don't want my son playing rugby.
So there's it's not it's not just appearents. It's generational
push against rugby. And I'm not I'm not sure if

(01:34:19):
I argued that that they're not going to get too
many head injuries at a young age. But that is
definitely a consideration for parents.

Speaker 25 (01:34:25):
Bob, It's a big one. Now, I've got two friends
in the USA that they are the teenagers, and both
of them have suffered bad head injuries and it's life
threatening stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Yeah, Although I Will says, as a person that played
a lot of basketball when I was younger, the bus,
the ball to your face, the ball to your nose,
is that hurts?

Speaker 9 (01:34:55):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
That is that is one of the most painful things
that's ever happened to me in the sports. It happened.
Happened a few times, specially for the for a shorter
guy under.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
The hope one hundred and eight, the number to call
quick text to the break, get a guys, divert money
from where well, we mentioned before, there is money that
goes to the lanes of rugby, to hockey, to tennis,
the tennis courts. And we know it's controversial, that's why
we're having this conversation. But if that's what the kids
want to play, doesn't it make sense to build the

(01:35:27):
infrastructure for those sports.

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
I mean, the great thing about rugby and football is
that the facilities are essentially a patch of grass and
some posts.

Speaker 11 (01:35:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
So, whereas basketball generally speaks speaking needs to be indoors,
I mean netball. It's great to be played out on
the asphalt because you don't bounce the ball, but basketball
is a very difficult sport to play in puddles.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Yeah, absolutely. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is a number to call. It is twenty eight past three.

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(01:37:09):
Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
Thank you, ray Lean twenty eight to four.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Just we're talking about basketball and how it's about to
become the most played sport in the country and what
that means for traditional sports in the country eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. We're also talking about targo and
Southern cuisine. Yeahhung in sausages, chop suey patties and look,
someone's also come through with the cheese, a deep froid
cheese roll. But Matt Heath remember the Goths social basketball
team in the seventh form at Bogan Park with Chief

(01:37:35):
Goth Caine Sullivan. Yes, I do, Caine Sullivan, What a
great man he was. There was a so if people
remember goth so, I guess they tended to Emos. It's
probably still goths around, but yeah, he had a full
full black suit and spiky Robert Smith here playing basketball. Yeah,
I'm still still good mates with Caine. He's a great man.

(01:37:56):
He flew over for my birthday, recently went to Queenstown.
But yeah, yeah, I mean this is a very personal chat.
But yeah, the Goth team. The Goth team was kind
of annoying because we took it a bit more seriously
the other teams, and sometimes the Goth team when you
were playing them, they just jump on the ground and
line on their backs and just do weird stuff and
we're like, come on, play seriously.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
Did you ever get beaten by the Goth team? Don't
be silly, don't be silly, James, how are you this
after due?

Speaker 12 (01:38:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:38:25):
Good boys, Thank you very much for taking my call.
I'm actually the first time hauler to the show. I
kept it a couple of times, but basketball is a
real passion of mine, and they actually have something to contribute.

Speaker 18 (01:38:36):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
Oh, well, thank you so much for calling for the
first time. Welcome in, James, Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 25 (01:38:42):
But my son has just finished the year thirteen at
a college here in the hut fairly, which for the
past forty fifty years has had a very strong fat fifteen.
And when my son two years ago, he played rugby
since he was four, but two years ago he gave
it up and walked away from it because basketball was

(01:39:04):
on the rise, you know. And I think that's because
I'm NBA m It's because guys like Steven Adams. It's
because of our Warrington Saints team that have brought all
these American imports and fash and showy styles of player
into the country. And my young fellow and his mates,

(01:39:26):
they all follow social media and NBA basketball and it's
all about the money that they earn, the grits and
the glamor that goes with basketball. And at his particular school,
a lot more athletes who are very competent in other
sports are starting to walk away from that field and

(01:39:49):
go into the basketball arena. And you know a couple
of reasons that. One of the reason why it please
my son switched because I no longer have to stand
on the body's sideline rain. And then when it was
early in those early days and I haven't gone up
early in the morning and the frost women winter days
and standing on the side. Now my experience in some

(01:40:12):
of the tournaments that he's been to where nationally the
premises there are fantastic, And what I've noticed is that
they're not privately owned. All of these basketball courts arenas
and I'm talking eighteen twelve courts. They've come about because

(01:40:35):
of either private sponsorship or all these places that are
available to provide grants to build places like this. And
our minister, really, our minister's sport really needs to look
at the rise of basketball and his owns take it
serious and they need to put more money into basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Yeah, and you talk about the weather. I mean, growing
up in Daninas, I keep saying that I'm to be
talking about myself a lot for a change, but sport
was so often canceled and I'd be getting up and
being so upset that sport was canceled. But when I
started playing basketball, basketball is never canceled. So if you're

(01:41:21):
into your game, you are going to play it every week.
And when we played on a Friday, it was you know,
your sport was done for the weekend and it was
definitely going to be on and that that's a huge
thing in a country like New Zealand, which let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
It rains a bit, it gets a bit wet, James,
it put me done. I suppose what I'm thinking as
I'm thinking this through. The progression in rugby is pretty
clear cut, right, is that if you're good at rugby
at high school, then you move into the NPC level hopefully,
then you move into Super then hopefully you become an
All Black. That progression in basketball in New Zealand there's
a lot different. Steven Adams is a bit of an anomaly,

(01:41:56):
isn't he That he got to the NBA. But he
got there through being spotted by a talent scout. I
imagine someone saw some potential in them. But his journey
there is a lot harder than it would be for
someone playing rugby if they've got talent to progress through
to the international level.

Speaker 25 (01:42:13):
Yeah. I've got two responses that. The first one and
one of your previous cause touched on it are the injuries.
That's school evil. If you get injured, the support is
from your family, you know, whereas if you're a professional athlete,
you've got everything at the fingertips available to you. In
my son's case, yeah, he was six foot seven two

(01:42:34):
years ago, so now and he got bad in rugby.
And you know when you can tell when your child
when they get hurt, they shrugged off when they start
trying and tell it really hurts. And that was my
one day he just came to and said, no, Dad,
I don't think i've anymore. But the second thing is,

(01:42:58):
like I said earlier, it's as a result of his
guys like Stephen Adams and the NBA basketball which is
followed by millions of people, and the young guys see
cheap at fighting and if I can make it in
that grade, then there's a potential there to make a
living for themselves and for their families and extended families.

(01:43:18):
And the first thing is that having been with my
son to various tournaments around New Zealand, they're well organized.
I think the last one we went to in Towanna,
I don't mind saying Super Nation, a huge tournament and
over twelve hundred boys and girls.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Yeah, I mean those people that organize those things across
all sports are are the best of us in New Zealand.
People that go through to organize those things. But yeah,
thank you so much for your call, James, call anytime
and look after the break I'd like to come back
with a complaint I have about rugby and New Zealand.
And look, I'm a huge supporter of the support of

(01:43:58):
a supporter of the support. What I meant was a
supporter of the sport. But I have a complaint about
how it is, how it's perceived for young people in
this country.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
Is going to be good. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It's twenty one to.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Four your new home of afternoon Tour, Taylor Adams Afternoon Call.

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty News talk Z.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
We're talking about basketball in New Zealand. It's about to
become the most played sport in the country. But apparently
we're five hundred courts short. I was thinking, we've been
caught short court short, five hundred basketball courts. Yeah, nice, wow,
thank you. I stole that from a texta on nine
two nine two. But I was saying about one thing
I was thinking about rugby in this country. And you

(01:44:42):
were talking before about the path first fifteen into MPC
Super rugby. That's your path. But I was thinking that
was kind of that's kind of the problem that we're
looking at rugby like a path rather than a sport.
And you know, back in the day there used to
be multiple fifteens, so you didn't have to be It
seems now that the focus is to be on the
first fifteen and maybe rugby could go further. And if

(01:45:04):
it's not, then it's not at no point in bothering.
But basketball is very much thought of in a different
way where you can be quite quite a number down.
You can be a social basketball team. But you know,
it's not about necessarily being the best. You know, you
can have this more past. You might just play basketball.
And part of that might be to do with something
that as mentioned of this text on nineteen ninet two,

(01:45:26):
Steven Adams is not a good model to look at
becoming a sports star. The point is he's seven foot tall.
Percentage of people in the world being that tall is
if all is this textasy and that's true, so maybe
that's part of it. I mean a lot of people
that play basketball don't think that they're ever going to
going to move forward in it, but they just love
playing the sport. Yeah, and it is a sport that
leans itself towards that. I just think the mindset and

(01:45:49):
rugby is if you're not in the first fifteen, there's
not much point. If you're not going to get into
the first fifteen, there's not much point. Whereas you know,
my dad played for the third fifteen at the school
and still talks about some of the great games.

Speaker 4 (01:46:00):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
Yeah, but do you think there might be talent the
misses out that if they don't quite showcase their skills
that say, by the fourth form or whatever you call
that year now, and you're not in the first fifteen,
then those kids give up. Where if they keeped at it,
then that starts that talent starts to emerge and they
can make a good goal.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
No, I'm meaning the exact opposite of that. It doesn't
matter about talent. Matter it's about participation. So not everyone
is going to be have a path to taking sport
to the next level, and that's not really what it's about.
You want as many people playing sport as you possibly can.
And for rugby, if you've played rugby at school or

(01:46:37):
at any point in your life, then you're going to
enjoy watching it a lot more than people that haven't. Yeah, arguably,
but I think that that participation should be the main
aim of the game and of course there is touch
rugby as well, which is doing a lot in that area.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
Yeah, it's good argument, Linley. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (01:46:54):
Good? Think?

Speaker 27 (01:46:55):
How are you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
Very good? Now you're calling from christ Juts and you
don't think there's enough courts for netball?

Speaker 25 (01:47:01):
No there's not.

Speaker 27 (01:47:02):
There's nowhere there enough courts for netball. So I'm pretty
heavily involved. Run a local club here in Hornby and
we played Unders. We played in the Krushech Netball Center,
who have been at Hadley for one hundred years and
they have something like thirty four courts I think is

(01:47:25):
what we had. We've now got the new building at
Napunaway that's got ten so on a Saturday, on any
given Saturday for the last hundred years or so, the
amount of people that have gone through that place is
six and a half thousand roughly. That's just players from
year three right through to premiere one. So now we're

(01:47:51):
having to play Monday to Saturday, spread all the grades
out and there's still not enough court space. But there's
Schools are great because they have their own gyms so
they can all train in their gyms. But when it
comes to clubs, trying to find somewhere to train. There
is just not enough space. Much like basketball, there is

(01:48:14):
not enough space. There are very few places here in
christ Church that you can hire at a half reasonable
cost that you can go and train in and then
we go and play at Napunaway on Monday to Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
Well this is good, lily so, but what the argument
you're making, and I think it's a fair argument, is
that it's not just up to schools here to fund
this or sporting bodies themselves. The councilors have a responsibility
to invest in the right facilities.

Speaker 27 (01:48:42):
I don't know where the money is supposed to come from.
That I can't tell you. It's really difficult, and I
understand that. Just to put a little perspective and things.
For our club this last year that had sixteen teams,
it costs as close to twelve thousand just to play.

Speaker 19 (01:49:01):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Yeah, and so the last thing you want is a
basketball encroaching on netty space.

Speaker 27 (01:49:08):
And then we paid another five thousand, six hundred to play.
So the twelve thousand of the subs the five to
six is to play because the court space is hired,
so they have to hire it up because the building
the new facility at Napunaa has to make a profit
where they have to be able to cover their costs.

(01:49:30):
And it's just it's across the board, like rugby all
these years, rugby has gotten so much money it's not
even funny. And the likes of the leaser sports, and
I'm talking about a female sport, and I know basketball
is both female and male, but specifically, if you're going
to line them all up, you've got hockey and you've
got football, and you've got cricket, and do you know,

(01:49:52):
like so there's just cricket's great because you can play
it on a grass paddock anywhere or a grass field. Hockey,
You've still got to have two. And there's two, you know,
Like there's the at Napunai, there's the hockey things there,
there's the ones I over is it Brunswick Park somewhere
over that general direction just on the whole there's not

(01:50:17):
enough space to be able to do all the sports
things that we want to do to help our children out.
Do you know, like keeping kids in sports an amount
of trouble. We know that, and you know, and so
like I'm a great believer of that kind of thing,
and I want to be able to help. But next year,
like I'm seriously looking at, we don't have Our club

(01:50:39):
has not got I've got the local high school for
our juniors, but our seniors at the moment, I haven't
got anywhere to train.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
That is that is tragic. If there's kids that want
to play sport and we're so worried that they're not
getting getting off their asses and they're not getting off
their social media and off their video games to play sport,
and then there isn't a spot for them to do it,
then I think that's a that's a tragedy for the
country and for our young people.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
Yeah, thank you very much, Linley. Eighty is but a call.
We will take a few more calls very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
It is twelve to four, the big stories, the big issues,
the big trends and everything in between. Mat Heath and
Tyler Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty four used talk,
said B.

Speaker 8 (01:51:24):
Said B.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
It's say to four.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
We're talking about basketball. It's about to become the most
played sport in the country. Here's a text on nine
two nine two unpatriotic kiwis Rugby is our sport and
kids will only miss out on great team culture by
playing basketball. It's just another toxic sport with the kids
that are good get more out of it than the
ones that straggle. One of the great things about rugby
is that there's all shapes and sizes that in that sport,

(01:51:50):
and well, basketball, your point guard can be short, but
as you get older, as I found, there's a guard
that eventually my shortness was difficult to overcome. But you know,
you can be a half back. You know you can
be a first five, and you can be a lock,
and you can be afford And that's one of the
great egalitarian things about rugby and one of the reasons
I absolutely love it. This other text on nine two

(01:52:11):
nine two. Good thing about basketball You can play by
yourself or one on one. Try playing rugby or cricket
by yourself. That's exactly right. You can. And you can
put a hoop in your in your in your driveway,
and kids can be out there shooting hoops until late
in the night until the neighbors get incredibly.

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
Basin Nigel, how are you yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:52:30):
Good things? Good afternoon, Tyler and.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
Matt gooday, Now basketball, should we be investing in more
courts for the youngsters.

Speaker 17 (01:52:38):
Well, it's not hard to swap between basketball and netball courts,
is it, you know? Or is it netball court smaller
or bigger than a basketball court. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
Well the hoops, the hoops are quite different. You've got
the netball hoops with no backboard and they're they're higher.
But yeah, and also basketball. One of the great things
about netble ball because it has been described as stuck
in the mud basketball unfairly. But the great thing about
netball is two.

Speaker 17 (01:53:10):
I like that term. Second.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
But the great thing about it is you can play
in poor weather.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
You can you can play it, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Yeah, it was Basketball's no good in puddles.

Speaker 17 (01:53:20):
Yeah, that's right. Are yeah there mate?

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 21 (01:53:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:53:25):
We went to the same high secondary school Underneden, but
at different times. I was there when it initially opened. Yes,
I was there from nineteen seventy four to seventy seven.
What years were you there?

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
I would have been about twenty years after you, I think,
But so you would have been there when it was
just opening, when you didn't didn't open a nineteen Yeah.
I think it's coming up on its fiftieth anniversary this year.
Bogan Park.

Speaker 17 (01:53:50):
Yeah, it was the share but they didn't have anything.
They didn't have a fiftieth anniversary. I thought they would have,
but it was only the third formers that year. Yeah, right,
the fourth formers and above didn't come to seventy five.

Speaker 6 (01:54:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
When I was there, it was a much bigger school
than it is now and we're basically in pre fabs,
so interesting spot like a south facing sort of east facing.
You were there in the legendary time when the Gideon
Bible people came to Logan Park and then all the
students took the Bibles up at the top field and
set them on fire and started a scrub fire where
you went there?

Speaker 17 (01:54:22):
Ye, no, no, no, there one scrub fires there. One
grass fires up the bank away up the fields. But
they were started was the scarded cigarette puts.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
Yeah, there was a lot of smoking in the top
field that It always cracked me up there. Where were
you know? You mean, Nigel, We went to a school
on Butt's Road that we'll always have that.

Speaker 15 (01:54:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:54:47):
And who was the principal when you were there?

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
Mister Crowdis And I don't know. Yeah, he was good
and I was friends with the sun Bradley crowd Ess
actually were were They were good people.

Speaker 11 (01:54:58):
R I P.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Bradley.

Speaker 17 (01:55:00):
Hey, this was another thing. When's your father next hiring
out the eggerscent planes around? I'd like to go and
see that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
Yeah, loving this chat.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
Yeah, the Egger Center and danned is fantastic. Yeah, you
can hire it that. It's quite cheap for anything. It's
great for basketball, it's great for gnetti indoor cricket.

Speaker 6 (01:55:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
And yeah, on a really quiet afternoon midweek, you might
find my dad down there flying his model planes around.
It's very cool.

Speaker 17 (01:55:27):
But you'll have to tell me when he's going to
be there next. Is he going to be doing that
before Christmas? Or I won't be after Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
I'll find out and I'll tell you. Nigel. Yeah, Nigel,
thank you so much for your call. God, it's great
to reminisce.

Speaker 3 (01:55:39):
Memory Lane for you today, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:55:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
Certainly has eating course, the onion sausage, the chop sewey
Patty and the Edgercenter for me for the joy.

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
Now before we go, there's a texta asking how your
Intimitte fasting is going.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
You were talking about it yesterday. So I didn't eat
from seven till lunch today and I tell you what,
I didn't even miss the breakfast at all, so I've
started my inter minute fasting. I haven't weighed myself in yet,
but I'll keep you up to date. Thanks for asking.

Speaker 3 (01:56:02):
You're feeling good, good moods. I'm feeling good.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
It must been a mood that I was in yesterday.
And I had a fan testic show today, lots of
chat about nuclear energy. We've got our podcast coming out
in about forty five minutes if you missed any of
it wherever you get your podcasts, yep. But anyway, thank
you you great New Zealanders for listening for the show,
and we'll be back tomorrow. Till then, give them a
taste of keawe from us.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
See you then, and my mastery prom it bring it back,
Job bringing.

Speaker 4 (01:56:27):
Back, Job, bringing back. We go for more from News
Talk sed B.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
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