Full Show Podcast: 21 May 2025

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Hello you, great New Zealanders. Welcome to Matt and Tyler
Full Show Podcast number one two nine for Wednesday, the
twenty first of May twenty twenty five. Fantastic show. At
one point some guy called Josh got angry because something
to do with the edmund of how we're running our show.
But apart from that, it was a very pleasant after noon.
He was I think he'd been drinking yep. But we
had some fantastic chats about AI and people sticking up

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for their jobs and people that are worried about what
was happening with AI.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Very interesting, very.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Interesting stuff about farms, and yeah, that chat went really
well around around the guy yelling abuse at Winston Peter's
tell you what, there was fifty to fifty down the middle,
but some great calls on that as well. So I
really enjoyed the show today and I hope you do
as well.

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Exactly, And of course Mark Vitti the animal behaviorist, and
we talked a lot about octopi.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, oh boy, we learned more about octopi or octopus
or Octopussy.

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Speaker 3 (01:29):
Good afternoon. Welcome into the show, you good people. Hope
you're having a great day. Happy Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
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you over the next three hours. I believe some good topics.
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Speaker 2 (03:42):
Of course, you've just moved up from South Island, so
you're probably going through that phase where you think it's
really really warm even though it's getting into winter and.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Auckland it did feel nippy today actually at thirteen degrees.
Well I've changed, man, I've changed right on to today's show.
After three o'clock, How long could you go without the Internet?
Many people freaking out last night after thousands lost internet
and what appeared to be quite a large outage up
and down the country.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Are you doing internet detoxes in your house to make
sure that you can operate as a household without the
internet and that your kids aren't so addicted to the
Internet that they'll go completely insane without it in two hours?

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Have you ever done it yourself? Just switched off the
old router yeah, yep.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yep, No, I'll come off and off the internet. I'm
not a weak person. I'm powerful. And when I say
I'm off and off. I was on a TV show
called Traitors where we were taken away to a mens
and we had our phones taken off us. I'll tell
you what when that happened to me. When I had
those away in the mansion shooting this reality show, I
quickly got over my phone and actually enjoyed it. The

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only thing is I couldn't contact my kids, so there
was a bit weird having no contact with my kids.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
That would be a big thing.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, but I felt so good and I felt that
everything getting better in my life. But then when I
got back in the car and I was being driven
back to Auckland, I opened my phone.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
It just started going bing bing bing bing bing bing
bing bing bing bing. Men, I was right back in there.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, there's going to be a good chet. That's after
three I've done it again. I forgot about three thirty.
A very special guest asked the experts, because it is
a Wednesday, and Mark Vetti will be back with us
animal behaviorist and he is incredible at what he does.
So if you've got a problem with your pet he
is the man to chat to after three point thirty
after two o'clock. What power does your employer have over

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you when it comes to in this case, heckling politicians.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, you've all seen the footage of a person that
seems to me like they're spending too much time on
the internet and have been distorted and flipped around and
driven crazy by the algorithm. By the way, this man
was screaming at Winston Peters in quite a crazy way.
He lost the he lost the interaction with Winston Peter's
got absolutely owned because you know, Winston Peter's is.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Very very sharp.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
But his employee employer Tonkin and Taylor have apologized for
him and they're doing an investigation into it. So the
question is, should you be allowed to express your opinions
offensively outside work?

Speaker 4 (06:01):
And you know, how much does your job own your
expression or should it?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I mean, you probably have signed most of us have
signed a content that we won't bring our workplaces into disrepute.
And should we be campaigning for this guy to lose
his job as some people are, or is that just
lame and let him act like that in public? And
that's up to Tonkin and Taylor if they think he's
a cool guy to be working around the office.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, nice, he said. That's after two o'clock. But right now,
let's have a chat about artificial intelligence and whether you
have concerns it will take your job. Do you think
your job can or can't be replaced by artificial intelligence?
Bill Gates said in a recent article that he thinks
AI will replace pretty much every job and every industry
from apart from three different fields.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
So he thinks that doctors and teachers are under threat.
On hangeman, have I got this wrong? Doctors and teachers
among professions most vulnerable to AI replacement, according to Bill Gates, Yeah,
I did get it right, because the only reason why
I question is because it seemed crazy, Because I think
teachers are very valuable, not just in teaching people facts

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and you know the education, you know, maths or English
or whatever, but the social teaching that they do and
the interaction they have with human especially in primary school
and an intermediate school. And I would say even in
you know, the first few years of high school as well.
Your primary role of socializing humans to be members of society. Right, Yeah,

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So I think it's very odd that he's picked out
teachers specifically, And I'd also say the same thing for doctors,
and that you can you know, you can find the prescription.
Maybe AO can do that, but there's a lot of
sort of low key counseling that a doctor does when
you go and see the doctor. There's an empathy that's
needed in that case.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
I would agree. I think that's the only advantage that
we've got over AI at the moment, and increasingly so
as the technology develops, is that human connection and empathy
and EQ those things you talked about. But the three
jobs he mentioned was biologist, so the study of biology.
He doesn't think AI can take over that. He said
energy experts, which I thought was a strange one, but

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he thinks you still need the human capacity to analyze
energy needs and what to next. He thinks that's beyond
the scope of AI at the stage. And then developers,
so people that actually make AI in the first place.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Look, Bill Gates is basically an evil AI himself, So
I wonder he doesn't think teachers and doctors do anything
more than teach and prescribe. You know, I wouldn't trace
trust Bill Gates with too much, but it is interesting
and look, we are seeing it now.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
You know.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
You look at Spark and there were claims just yesterday
that Spark were outsourcing some of their jobs and a
source claimed that two hundred jobs could be lost and
replaced by AI and overseas workers.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, I mean it is happening very fast, isn't it.
And a lot of experts that you listen to in
the realm of AI are saying that many, many jobs
will go and they'll go pretty fast.

Speaker 7 (09:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, one hundred and eighty ten. Do you feel like
your job is safe? Is this something that you do
that you do not believe AI can do? And or
is your job under threat from AI? Or have you
already lost your job to AI? Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Let's get into what it is. Fourteen past one you're
listening to Matt and Tyler back very shortly.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
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Speaker 1 (09:34):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used
talks that'd be very good afternoon, Jude seventeen past one.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Do you think AI can take your job or can't
take your job? Love to hear from you on OZ
one hundred and eighty ten eighty This.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Texas is radio talkback hosts under serious AI replacement threat.
Host and callers will be AI. That's an interesting idea,
and people do point out that seems to be happening
quite a lot on social media. When you drill down
on what's going off on it's off an AI arguing
with itself.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Bots that designed to respond to certain cues, and so
they just go back and forth, back and forth, back
and forth, and you can have there has been, you know,
part of the dead Internet theory that people have found
conversations and arguments that have been going for years just
between AI bots humans have long since left.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Georgie. Hello,
nice to chat with you. So you don't think your
job could be replaced by artificial intelligence?

Speaker 4 (10:34):
What is your job, Georgie?

Speaker 8 (10:36):
I am an embarna Ah, I love the deceased.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Wow. So you work for a funeral home? Yes, wow, Yeah,
I'm just trying to think. Yeah, no, not at this
stage your spot on.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Actually, I mean that is obviously a job that requires physicality,
but also a fear, well a lot of empathy as well.

Speaker 8 (11:01):
Yeah, like because I'm mostly in the moltary side of things,
Like it's very spone anatomy chemistry.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (11:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
So do you do you have any client facing part
of it? Do you talk to the families at all?

Speaker 9 (11:16):
No?

Speaker 8 (11:17):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah. So just to get to some of the details
of your job. So when you say embalming, where does
that start and how far.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Does it go?

Speaker 8 (11:28):
As in what we do basically my way are sanitizing
and preserving the bodies or families if it makes any
sense to be viewable. And it's just I can't see
AI taking over doing that, yeah, because it's a lot

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of work.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, But I mean, you know, they're saying there's some
people that say that open heart surgery will be able
to be done by doctors by within the next five years,
are unassisted by a human you know, some people are
claiming that. People claim all kinds of things, But I
guess the variation of what you're doing, You've got to

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make a whole lot of a whole lot of decisions,
and the decisions on you know, esthetic decisions, aren't they
what looks right?

Speaker 8 (12:20):
Yeah, Like it's just every single person is different as well,
like when they come in, like there is may be
someone that's got jaunder, the maybe someone with ADMA, like
and it's just every single case is always different what
we have to deal with. So it's like, I don't
know AI can play pick that up straight.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Away, And I wonder if families would want that to
be done by AI and robots not at all for me,
I would you know, imagine, Yeah, I'd like to imagine
that a human's doing that, And.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, I agree, that would be the big thing for me, Georgia.
You know, whether there would ever be technology that could
come into play and do that job. The very fact
that I wouldn't want artificial intelligence to do it to
me would say that your job it's safe for a
long long time hopefully.

Speaker 9 (13:10):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 8 (13:11):
I mean, like I wouldn't want my own family and
artificial intelligence. It's just so disconnected.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, how that begs a question, Georgie, would you embalm
members of your family?

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Are you allowed to do that? Is there any ethical
side to it? And that in that realm, No, we are.

Speaker 8 (13:30):
Allowed to Like for me personally, I can't do it. Yeah,
and I've never done it and I've been doing it
for like twelve years.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah right, And is it rewarding work.

Speaker 8 (13:41):
I'm still doing that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, and it's not How what sort of reaction do
you get to that when you bring up around I
don't know, a dinner table or you know, a dinner party.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
What you do?

Speaker 1 (13:52):
What?

Speaker 9 (13:52):
What?

Speaker 4 (13:52):
What sort of reaction do you get?

Speaker 8 (13:54):
Well, strangers, they're like.

Speaker 9 (13:55):
Hey, for the how I look.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
It must be very specialized Georgie.

Speaker 9 (14:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, So how long's the training for the for to
become an Obama?

Speaker 8 (14:08):
And like people have helped train in the past, that
takes a few months before they're up and running on
their own. But I mean it's all comes with time,
the experience.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, as well. Is there a course that you do?
Is there a degree or anything?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (14:24):
I'm just about finishing and am I doing my diploma
in it?

Speaker 10 (14:27):
All right?

Speaker 2 (14:28):
And you've been been working professionally in the business for
twelve years.

Speaker 8 (14:32):
Yeah, But they got rid of the PLOTMA for a
while and then just coming up in the last two years. Okay,
I'm going to finally do this.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Is there decent pain in being in Obama? You just
gotta love what you do nicely see, well, thank you.
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Georgie thinks that she will not be replaced by AI,
and I'm trying to picture that. But then again, you
could argue a lot and that there would have been
a time in.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
The fifties where they thought that a car wash I know,
it's kind of different. I'm just trying to think of it.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Example, you go, there's no way that washing a car
could be replaced by robots. But we get you know, yeah,
it happens every day now.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
But there's some jobs that I'm happy to pay a
little bit more for because you know, in embalming would
probably be right up there. You know that even if
I can get it cheaper, even a AI do it.
I just I don't know this.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Texas says, try a placing my job as a gardener
with AI. Good luck gates your knob.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah yeah, well I don't know, Like, you know, could
you get in the near future a robot to come
and pull your weeds? I think that's definitely feasible.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Well no, but I think the thing is there's a
lot of decisions that need to be made esthetically. I mean,
it's very hard for us to get our heads around
what AI can do and what it can't do. So
you're bringing in, you know, the large language models. You've
got that part of it as well. But then there's
a physical part of it. You know, there's the robotic
part of it. And now you know you're looking at

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you know, Boston Dynamics, and you're looking at those new.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Tesla pots and stuff. And I've seen some of the
footage of the chef.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, and you know, they're getting more and more delicate
with their fingers and their ability to interact with the
world is getting better and better. So you know, sometimes
can it just scan a garden and go a garden
should look like this, and then make it look like
what they think it should look.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Like a oh, one hundred and eighty ten to eighty.
Are you concerned that artificial intelligence may take your job?
Or if you've been in a position we've been let
go because the company has decided to go with AI,
we're really keen to have a chat with you. Spark
very earlier this week has made that exact call. Sources
have told The Herald that up to two hundred jobs

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could be replaced by workers in India and artificial intelligence.
That is a massive change for that company.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
This text from Jordan's is interesting.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I think a robot could prepare a body almost with
less ethical problems than a human being. We keep hearing
of these horror stories of people abusing the bodies and
being disrespectful or tipping them in a hole later to
score cash. Weird stuff happening. Yeah, I mean where there
is humans.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
There is a possibility for weird stuff to go down.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, very true. Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It's twenty five past one.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Putting the tough questions to the news speakers, the mic Hosking, Breakfast.

Speaker 11 (17:22):
Winston Peters as well as My understanding is the Golden
visas working in the is interest. The Prime Minister told
us on Monday that you had discussions and they came
up to five or six million dollars next to no
houses in this country as sold at five or six
million dollars. Let them buy a place, invest in the
country and get.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
On with it.

Speaker 12 (17:37):
We have not got that rigid view and the Prime
Minister should not be discussing our negotiations with you.

Speaker 11 (17:42):
Well, all I did was asking a question as to
what the hold up? And you set the hold up
to you and you're having a negotiation. I just don't
understand the logic. I get your logic around say two million.
I understand that I have time to run a radio
program in the country, for God's sake. But this seems
to me that you're not far apart. Why can't you
sort it and just get on with it? Back tomorrow
at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the Rain
drove of Alame News talk z B.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Very good afternoon to you, and we're talking about artificial
intelligence and do you think AI can do your job?
And if you don't think it can do your job,
would love to hear from you. I would love to
hear from you on both sides one hundred eighty eight.
But if you if you don't think it can take
your job?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Why, yeah, all right, let's go to eleanor you're a midwife.

Speaker 13 (18:22):
Yes, I'm a midwife and electation consultant. I can't see
any woman wanting AI to deliver their baby. Yeah, I
do think they can make the rapid decisions and intubate
and give emergency drugs and future and bung a canular
in quickly. For an IV it's very complex sometimes. And

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then for breastfeeding, I mean, who would want what.

Speaker 14 (18:51):
Would it be?

Speaker 13 (18:52):
What's sitting on telling you what to do when you
don't know what to do? And handling, I mean we
examine babies and we we work out what's going on
with them by very detailed physical examination, handling them, feeling
their toe, checking their reflexes, things like that.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Very comic.

Speaker 13 (19:13):
Ever see anything like that being done by AI. Well
it might have all the intelligence, all the all the
answers to everything, but can it ask the right questions?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Well, the thing is, you know, and you know, maybe
it can be there as another tool for a midwife
to so so you know, it's that, you know, the
midwife's asking questions of AI and pumping and the information.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
That they see.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Would do you find that more people are looking at
having home births now eleanor than was in the past,
Because I was thinking that it seems to me, you know,
maybe this is just the circles. I'm maybe it's just
the circles, i'mond but seems that seems to be a
move away from from the high tech berths.

Speaker 9 (19:59):
Not in my area.

Speaker 13 (20:00):
I'm sort of up on a high Discus Coast and
we've got I'd see people regularly who've had a home birth.
I had home birth myself or one of mines. There
are little pockets where there's very high rates of home birth. Well,
Heky Island still has plenty, and West Coast on the

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South Island on mainland.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
And well why do people have part of my ignorance,
but why do people have home births? When you know
in a hospital, if something goes wrong, everything is there.
And I remember one of my when one of my
children was being born, everything went wrong, and I was
just so pleased to be somewhere where they could just
the hospital could bring so many resources, and it looked

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like they deployed what loocked to me like ten million
dollars worth of equipment onto my son and and I
was so grateful for it.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
So what what the advantage?

Speaker 13 (20:53):
And the advantage is the woman feels a lot more comfortable,
they're tendto labor faster and I feel less pain. But
we've screened them very carefully. If somebody is low risk,
then they could be offered a home birth. But if
you've got any problems. If you'ren't going to labor naturally spontaneously,
you're not going to be a candidate anyway. And women

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sort of have an innate feeling whether they want to
birth at home or not. I think, I mean, certainly,
there was a huge study done National Women's when it
was National Women's Auckland private Hospital now over a twenty
five year period which actually the outcome showed that home
birth was safer than hospital birth. But that's looking at

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a low risk population. We're choosing to birth at home
with a low risk population who are choosing to birth
in hospital, and the ones to birth in the hospital
didn't have as good as outcomes as those at home.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Interesting, have you seen some of the latest developments in
you know, humanoid style robots at all?

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Eleanor no.

Speaker 13 (21:56):
No, they're not in.

Speaker 9 (21:58):
My area at all.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, because in other areas of medicine.

Speaker 13 (22:05):
Be deployed in some areas in healthcare sort of, I
can see a robot trundling around dispensing drugs. Well, it's
been programmed, I mean that that would be well, then
how do you check the person's really taken it?

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Well? So a lot of surgery is now being done
by robots, mostly done remotely with the doctors.

Speaker 13 (22:27):
Which is very very good, but you still need a
doctor their waggling stick at the moment.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, well, you don't want a robot coming at you
with a pair of calipers and trying to pull the
baby out, do you know? That would be And it's
kind of what Eleanor points out as well as there's
an emotional aspect of something like childbirth where the mother
needs to feel comfortable and if she's surrounded by non
humans then you know, and that's the reason why people
are having home births as opposed to the hospital because

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they feel uncomfortable, they feel, you know, that the the
environment isn't right for them. Then you know robots an't
going to help that, aren't they.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
No?

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Exactly oh one hundred and eighty teen eighty is the
number to call. Do you think your job is safe
from artificial intelligence?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Warwick asks, any AI can catch and treat fly Boy
and Sheep.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
I don't think so, not at.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
The stage anyway. It's a fairpoint, Warwick. It is twenty
seven two US talks.

Speaker 15 (23:20):
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Digital Services tax, which would have imposed three percent on
Kiwi revenue for platforms like Google and Facebook, was the
only realistic move because of the risk of retaliation. Associate
Health Minister David Seymour's told a Health Select Committee speeding

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access to drugs already approved overseas could improve safeguards a
group with a goal of ending sexual harm as warning
expertise could be lost. Is acc paus's national rollout of
its hiccatea program after reviewing funding and outputs. A Darnedin
police officers suffered an asthma attack when a man being

(24:04):
arrested sprayed deodorant in her face this morning. Man's stew
in court next week. Fruitful harvests and more Contain a
cargo through a napier port has brought strong earnings for
the six months ending March at twenty point two million
dollars after tax, and World Travel and Tourism Council Research
is forecasting the sector will pump fifty seven billion dollars

(24:27):
into the economy across the year. AI disruptors meet the
kiwis using new tech to boost their businesses and lead
the way see the story at Nzen Herald Premium back
to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean and we are, funnily
enough talking about AI. Are you concerned about AI taking
your job? It comes as Spark confirmed job cuts as
outsources to AI. A source told The Herald in this
article that it could result in two hundred jobs going
from Spark. That is a significant number, but they're not
the only ones. There's been many, many companies that have

(25:00):
been outsourcing particular jobs to AI for the last few years.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, so I one hundred and eighty ten eighty do
you think your job is it danger from AI? Where
do you think it's impervious to the invasion of AI?
Bill Gates a person that.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
I have no time for it all. Generally speaking, he
really annoys me.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Where As you said before, highly likely he's AI himself.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, Oh, hugely likely. He's certainly got no empathy. But
he was saying that teachers and doctors too, that he
sees an immediate threat. I think that's on. I think
teachers will be around with us for a very long time.
Although we've had a few teachers texts in and say
we're definitely under threat. From AI This Texas, says Gaday Fellas.
I'm a vet. Most animal mortalities on farms occur during

(25:42):
spring ae carving, lambing. My vet colleagues know what can
go wrong, and most of us we're more than happy
for children to be born in the hospital, right, Yeah,
that's going back to the midwif three before.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, and guys, I'm fifty to fifty as a client
relationships manager. It's all about people that said AI evolved.
I think people still want human interactions, but I fear
that may changes the technology gets better.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I mean, if you were guaranteed that the baby was
going to be safer with AI and with some kind
of birthing bot, then your love of humans would have
to be huge to get over that. If it could
be shown that it was a just one hundred percent
safe and there was no chance of any problem happening

(26:31):
with the bot as opposed to some chance with the human,
then what are you going to do? But as I
said before, it gets confusing because you need the mother
to feel comfortable, and the mother it might just skew
things if it's a robot there and not another human being.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Still to it's an interesting one.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
A lot of people been texting through saying that gardeners
and landscape gardeners and trades will be fine. But justin
your daughter has been working on a robot gardener.

Speaker 12 (26:55):
Yes, so part of an internship for the end of
your Indian integree. The last years that you see, they
developed a in relation to drinking and university. I don't
drop names, but I think agg research. But anyway, it

(27:17):
would go through lines and crops and identify weeds and
with a small we very well uh pinpointed injection injected
with wiz wow, so it could actually go through entire crop.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Lines wow and fast.

Speaker 12 (27:36):
Oh wow, than probably But yeah, we'll just just go
down and just down the lines and records and forwards
and take get the grand if you like, and identify
a weed for a assume effectively Google per se figuring

(27:56):
out that that's a weed.

Speaker 16 (27:57):
So I'll get rid of that.

Speaker 12 (27:58):
Well, that wasn't put us away. That plant is not
supposed to be there, killer.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah right, And so because people think about this and
they think about robots, so they think of AI in
terms of the large language morals that we have have
on the internet like chat, GPT, but you could have
a system like that justin where the robot's you know,
been called behind a tractor and this.

Speaker 12 (28:18):
One was self driven. I actually saw the video of
it and once it we're human my daughters from Yeah,
because the solar panels that.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Could be scanning at an insane rate, and you know
have a number. You know, it's not just a robot
with two hands. It's like, you know, hundreds of little
pokey things injecting stuff.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well, why you guys have been having a chat. I've
just had a week. Look and if you google robot gardener,
what comes up is farm bot technology out of the US,
and it is effectively, I mean very similar to what
you're saying justin your what your daughter's doing, I think
is a little bit more advanced and flexible. But this
is effectively a robot that will grow vegetables for you
in your garden on a particular block and do it

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all for you. Once you set it up, it's set
and forget, and it will make sure your vegetables are perfect.
It's watered, it's looked after, making sure it gets enough sun.
Everything is taken care of by the spot so you
don't have to do anything.

Speaker 12 (29:11):
I mean, it has all the senses in the groundlight
for example, we're too much lime or too much salt
or too much water. So it can they will. Technology
is there, But.

Speaker 7 (29:24):
As the midwife would say, is is.

Speaker 12 (29:27):
There any money in that? So I don't can't. I
can't see why make a robot that doesn't mean roo free,
because what's the point of that with the money?

Speaker 9 (29:35):
What's the point?

Speaker 12 (29:36):
As on the same subly, my sparky. So I think
I'm pretty okay for the sell future, yeah, but forgetting.
I think if you were to give a robot scan
of what you wanted, it will be most likely a
robot probably even today that you go, oh you want this,
scan it in here, I'll make it happen.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yeah, I think if you called justin.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
I mean, that's an interesting idea, like a farm just
being run by robots but tending to the crops, so
the crops are being constantly monitored twenty four to seven,
any changes are being made, you know, analysis constantly done,
the perfect yield, soil acidity, all those all those things,

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and then calling in the harvester. Yeah, when it's ready
to go, I mean, and then just you can just
imagine huge, huge swallows of the country just with robots
quietly working away, holding them together, and then we're just
sitting in the city is getting fatter and fatter like
the humans on Walley.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
It is terrifying. Oh, one hundred eighty eighty is the
number to call. Do you think AI could replace your job?
Love to hear from you nine two nine too if
you want to seend the text as well.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
It's as simple as this. If your job can be
converted to an algorithm, you're in a legacy occupation. GP
positions out of here. Accounting is gone, Burger, so on
and so on. But you know, humans are just running
an algorithm. I mean, if you read novel, you have novel?
Yeah you val Noah hurrara y you v ou know?

(31:07):
Harawis sapiens. He talks a lot about the algorithm that
we're running. We think we're so advanced and we're making
all these decisions, but you know, he argues, we're just
running an algorithm. So you know, it's a complex one.
But if A is getting more and more complex.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Then they might be able to run our algorithm. You
never know.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
But let me throw this at you. Because we talked
about GPS and health and if they could guarantee that
your baby was delivered and it was going to be
perfectly healthy, or you had something going on and they
could guarantee it was going to be better than a human.
But I think, yeah, so so those jobs I think
are in danger. But I think there's still humans, like

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for some reason, the flaws of other humans. You know,
that fallibility of humankind will still play a part. That
we don't want perfection in every single job. We want
humans making similar mistakes.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
We want perfection and accounting. Yeah, okay, that's connection that's gone.
Wouldn't it be good if we had political perfection?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yep? We see later, politician.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
If you if the budget that.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Was coming out tomorrow was absolutely perfect to produce the
most possible productivity out of our country as possible. Yeah,
and you know, maybe throwing a little bit of happiness
for the for the flesh sacks walking.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Around as well.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah, yeah, good point.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
I love to hear from you, though. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It is quarter to.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Two your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Said, be very good afternoon, and we aren't talking about
artificial intelligence, how you're worried it could take your job,
and if you're not worried, we can hear from you.
Oh eight one hundred eighty teen eighty what do you
do that you think is AI proof?

Speaker 2 (32:52):
That's interesting the amount of people are texting through saying
I'm a truck driver. They'll never take my job. Too dangerous.
No way, I'm a truck driver. I'm a driver.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
No way.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
This textas says my son just got back from the USA.
She got and my son just got back from the USA.
She got an UBER. I'm not going to delve into that.
Only she got an uber. I need to find out
there was no driver driverless car spooky, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
I mean yeah, boy boy.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
The recent upgrade in the Tesla software typical that you
have to pay a subscription for it, but that that.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Would transport transported as for some serious disruption over the
next couple of years, that's for sure. Peter, You've got
a couple of jobs you don't think can be replaced
by AI.

Speaker 16 (33:39):
Yeah, well the next twenty years. Butchery may be replaced.
But then I'll just go on to exotic dancing. Then
I should be fine until retirement.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Okay, so your butcher now, and you're going to hold
on as long as you can and then you straight
on the pole when that disappears.

Speaker 16 (33:58):
Oh yeah, well he does have to be a pole mate,
gentleman dancing.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
You can use anything you have done, your research strategized.

Speaker 16 (34:09):
But I think but is almost to die and that
throughout new zell them it's just harder and harder to
get them. And yeah, you can break things down to
a primal three machine, but it's still that little intricate
pieces of cuts that you get that that AI can't
do now. But it's not too far away. But there's

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something that broken.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
There's something about going to your butcher though, Like you know,
I love going in and you know, talking to the
butcher about whatever interesting sausages they've tried to they've invented,
so that interactions, that interaction is pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, it's not just about the meat.

Speaker 16 (34:48):
Yeah, fairsuck of the salve mat, but you know it's.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
You used to get the free You used to get
the free suck of the salve, didn't you when you
went in there used to get.

Speaker 16 (34:59):
You can you can talk to a butcher on other
things other than small goods. We do a wide variety,
So it's me to please share, right cool?

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, well, well, if it all, if it all sort
of ends up and you n up in his Exotic Dancer,
give me a yell. I'll try and see if I
can find you work on a few hen parties that
go through. You know, if you especially if you go
for the butcher motif, if you turn up in the
in the apron look at it, I think high demand
for with with the cleaver people.

Speaker 17 (35:30):
Like that.

Speaker 16 (35:32):
Pouts and the just a spring sawdust drown.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
In the sausage.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, yep, thank you for your call, Peter, Thank you
very much. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty A
couple of teaps coming through.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Guys, can't wait till AI will replace all the bureaucrats
in public and the public sector would save us a
lot of money. How many times do you call them
and speak to a useless person who's got no idea
how to do their job and get passed around? Hurry up,
I say, bring on our robot overlords. Okay, Yeah, that's
huge though, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Bureaucrats or anyone who's just imputting data into a system
the the Goldburger.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, well, It's interesting though, if you look at it
before a lot of people talking about farm work and
we're talking about the farm robots. I mean, there's a
huge problem we've got now is getting people that are
willing to do the.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Hard work of working on a farm.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I mean, there is no one works harder than farmers,
and you know it's the hugest part of our economy.
But so many, so many, you know, families get to
the point when none of the kids want to do it.
You know, if dad gets to just hand it over
to some bots, then maybe they'll be.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Good than Sarah own fault. We've been too lazy. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
back very shortly. It is nine to two.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
News Talks B News Talks there B it is six
two two oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We're talking
about AI and whether your job is at risk?

Speaker 4 (37:04):
John, you think this is yeah.

Speaker 9 (37:06):
How I am find a clinical dental technician and yes,
there are going to be changes in my industry very soon.
I've won a computer program called three shape and it
scans the models of your mouth. And we used to
make metal benches or dnches by hand and now you

(37:30):
design on a computer stream. But I'm going after the
conference in Sydney, Australia about AI and happening in an
industry where you will basically take a scan of the
person's head and a cone being scan and then send
it off to the AI and it'll do all the design.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Work for you.

Speaker 9 (37:49):
And it's scan seen and sent to a printer and
printed out either a metal or a plastic.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well, that's interestanable. My son recently he got those in
visiline braces.

Speaker 9 (37:59):
And that's exactly that's classic.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
And the way they did it.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I watched how they took the camera, created the exact honestly,
how they're getting the exact proportions right, because it ended
up being the exact site just by taking a bunch
of photos and scanning around his teeth and then they
made the exact image and then send it off and
all these ones came back and they fit perfectly and
did the jobs.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Teeth look amazing.

Speaker 9 (38:17):
Now Yah called it into all scanner and that it
changes it into what we call an STL final, which
is a standard training the language final, and it makes
the image absolutely perfect because it's a hard service. What
the technology is a bit he is with tissue. It
can't quite detect it catch it.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Do you think do you think this is going to
end in job losses in your profession?

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Yes, But.

Speaker 9 (38:48):
Joe to the stage where you'll have people trained differently.
You'll have to do computer science and you have an
idea about your But I was in the like for
your son. I used to make when I started what
we called retainers from moving the teeth. Well, you had
really comp designs that you had to learn. All that's

(39:10):
gone by the wayside was the imaging with your son.
So it's actually it's taking all the skill away from
the job.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
So fair point, John, I mean amazing. Similar to radiologists, right,
and you know there's a big backlog of enough radiologists
to be able to check Mr Rice scans to determine
what's going on. You bring AI into the picture that
they can do that instantly.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Well, there's a lot of backlog and dentistry at the moment,
So maybe we'll just clean up everyone's teeth. Maybe we'll
get truth through more people with this new technology.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
I need that, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yep, God you certainly snaggle tooth.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
We're going to carry this on after two o'clock. Love
to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number of cool news, sport and weather
on its way. Great to have your company. As always,
you're listening to Matt and Tyler. Good afternoon, talking with

(40:03):
you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons, us Dogs be News,
Talk to it B.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Welcome back into the show. Seven past too. Now, I
notice you got on your neck Matte Heath. Yep, a lanyard,
Yeah I do, and with my name on it, Met Heath.
So apparently I saw a few texts having to go
at lanyard's earlier this morning. So apparently my costking was
also having to go at lanyard wearing people.

Speaker 11 (40:37):
He's a little bit of Winston and he's going to
apologize to the hector at Wellington Rail yesterday who may
now lose his job. Grant, get real. He's not apologizing
to him. He's the one who started it. It is
an interesting debate, as I wouldn't have thought he's going
to lose his job. But it is an interesting debate
as to when you're an individual and when you're a
member of the company. Now, the problem was he was

(40:58):
wearing his Tonguin and Taylor as the company's wearing his
Tonquin and Taylor lanyard. Can I just say something, just
for the record, this is just me. Don't wear lanyards.
They are the rudest thing going Put pins in your
pocket or wear lanyards.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Wake up people.

Speaker 11 (41:12):
And as for you people who have got your cards,
your swipe cards on a stretchy bit of elastic to
your belt, come on, get it together. You're probably wear
That's what I do exactly.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Say no more.

Speaker 11 (41:23):
You're docker Docker wearing.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
So you and Glen z be effectively Mike is calling
you guys nerds in your pocket.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Your point being I mean, I don't get my fashion
tips from my cost game.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
I wear a lanyard.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Have you got it on the wie stretcher You don't,
You've got it on the elastic.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Okay, I'll tell.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
You a couple of reasons, a couple of reasons why
I were at lanyard and look, will get to this
guy in a little bit from Tonkin and Taylor. Yeah,
the guy that was yelling at at Winston Peters and
asked the question about what you can and can't do
outside of work, etc. And whether you should get in
trouble for acting like a bit of a dick in
public like he did. But there's a couple of reasons
why we're a lanyard and A I disagree with my costing.

(42:07):
I think I look cool. It's kind of like the
lanyard around me kind of it's kind of like a
nick tie, So I look cool.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
So there's actually three reasons I argue them, yep, Cara.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Second, it makes me feel like I work for the CIA.
I like walking around I've watched enough movies, or it
makes me think I work for Shield or something. Yeah,
I like pulling it out and swiping my way into things.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
You've got quite the struck when you come in there.
Actually it does look like you're on West Wang or something.
Just so bit all right.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
And Thirdly, I think it's rich coming from Hosky because
the only reason why we have to have these things
is all the security. It's in place to protect the
my Costing Memorial studio from people that he aggravates.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
It is a very good points.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
So to get into the studio to do my show,
I think I have to swipe through four doors. You know,
there's four levels of security here at News Talks. He'd
be before you can get in, so I don't know.
Maybe they've chipped Hosking and he can just walk in,
but for the rest of us, we're haavy to swipe.
And the best way to do it is with a
language unix.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
So it looks cool.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, it makes me feel like I'm on the CIA,
and it keeps our breakfast host safe.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
And that is a very good point for my day.
Ever ago when it's his fault we've got where these
women Laniards in the first place.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Anyway, that's not what we're talking about, Tyler. If derailed
the whole show. We're going to get to that in
a bit.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
I just wanted to ear that, So that was good
to ear. And if you want to chip in on
Laniards and how much of a nerd Matt looks, you
more than welcome nine to nine to two. But least
get back to artificial intelligence, because this is a good
topic and an important topic. Ye are you fearful that
it may take your job. What kind of job are
you in? Do you think it is? Artificial intelligence proof
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
We were just talking to a dentist before, someone that
works in the dental profession that's said that AI is
making huge advances in dentistry in terms of the scanning
of mouths and the making of well I'm always talking
about the visil line, making of things that are put
into your mouth to fix problems and such. Yep, that's
making huge differences. This person says, I have recently had

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a total knee replacement that was robot assisted. The surgeon
made the cut, and the surgeon gave the robot measurements,
and under the surgeon's guide, the robot did the soaring, etcetera.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
I am very pleased with the outcome. My recovery went well.
Would hardly recommend it.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
That's the recommendation at the end.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
That's quite a sentence. Though the robot did the soaring, etc.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
That's all you need to know if you have the patient.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
So right now, there's a lot of robotic surgery being done,
but it's normally being kind of remote controlled by the surgeon.
So the surgeon is placing it and it's doing some
fine stuff and it's just steady hands and can operate
in minute areas. But there is surgery now that has
started to happen more and more where the surgeons just

(44:44):
on the other side of the room let letting the
robot do do its thing.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
And we talked about them in the show a couple
of weeks ago. There was a.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Claim that in five years these robot surgeons doing complete
themselves will be better than the best surgeons. So that's
that's going to raise some questions. But you've got to say,
for waiting lists, if you can just get the surgeons,
these the robotic surgeon going through working twenty four hours
a day, blast people's hips, get it all.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Done being banged, you know?

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, disgusted?

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Are you AI?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Matt Sisus texture No, But I would say that, wouldn't
I If I was AI, I would say that I
wasn't just take my job very suspicious?

Speaker 4 (45:21):
So no, I'm not, Yeah, or am I?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
You will never know, Malcolm, you reckon your your job?
Is AI proof?

Speaker 18 (45:32):
I think I'm pretty safe. Yeah. I find leaks and buildings.
I specialize in finding leaks in waterfrick membranes with it.
Dtake New Zealand, so we we look at buildings we
got leaks and we find them can point them down
to a been here.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
We have the technology, So why couldn't a robot with
the same scanning equipment find the same things as you, Malcolm,
Because you've got.

Speaker 18 (46:00):
You've got the human factor that you're dealing with. So
you know, if people took care of business looking out
of business, that's folly to look at it. But you
get a waterfric membrane, say, for example, on the roof
gets put down and waterproof does the job. He puts
it down to the great job and then you know
some of the contractor comes around afterwards and bangs a

(46:21):
hole in it somehow. Now you've got a you know,
go understand the material that you're dealing with, which you
can teach to a certain extent I expect, but there's
also that experience that comes along with it, and you
get different anomalies of what people do in order to
make holes and holes. And so you've got you've got
different materials. You like porch on, you've got what's called

(46:45):
TPOs and PVCs, a different popes of materials to your
membrane roof here liquids, you know, and you know people
do all kinds of some crazy things to get but
order proven does this job, beautiful job. And then somebody
else comes along and just when you think, I think
you've seen it all for somebody doing damage to other
person's work, they come up with something new.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
How long are you doing that?

Speaker 5 (47:05):
For?

Speaker 16 (47:05):
Malcolm Las few years?

Speaker 18 (47:09):
I came back from Australia, did Astura for a few years.
I've brought the technology back here and and yeah, out
of the hundreds of one thousands of test things that
have done, i'd probably say that ninety percent of failure
are caused by people.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Right, So do you get when you're looking at the
situation you're saying that there's something in your humanity that
means that you get the idea that something might be
wrong and where it is just by your experience of
how things are, how things have been layered.

Speaker 18 (47:44):
Yeah, the experience. The experience tells you a lot. Like
if you're depending on the environment, how how it's been there,
how many you know, what's the condition of the of
the roof at the time, and from there you can
you start to build up a picture and then you
can go right, I think I'm going to start looking
in this direction. I I didn't want to Wellington where

(48:06):
the guy when on lame thing key, where the guys
are saying, we think the leak is coming from here
this area, and no it's I think it's funning. It's
outside the zone of where you're talking about. And we
kicked all the area that they thought it was and
I couldn't find a leak. Thought I'm not that bad
at it, so I thought I must I must be

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doing something wrong. But anyway, sure enough, went with my gut,
went outside the area that they thought it wasn't I
found it. It was coming from an area you would
think would be completely unrelated to where the leak was coming.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Internally, you're the leak whisperer. You're like a leak diviner
and awes.

Speaker 18 (48:42):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't call myself that. But but yeah,
when you have to, like the goo buses, you.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Have the tools, you have the talent, and so if
you if this was day one, when you know, ask
how long you've been doing it on day one, you
wouldn't necessarily have the sense of where the problem is
that you would have in year five. If you see
what I'm saying.

Speaker 18 (49:01):
Well, probably not to the same extent, but I come
from a construction background, I mean quantity survey originally, so yeah,
I was. You know, you're taught and you learn all
about construction. It's like any job, I mean, first job,
even accountant. You're not dealing with high intact you're dealing
with you know, you might be just dealing with the
day to day alleges or something of people. But it

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comes with experience. But there were certain things that you
can't teach. It's like, I remember all I had to
work with. She said, teach me everything I know about
this particular topic. And it's like, well, can't answer that
because you don't know what you don't know until you
asked the question, where you know, you just have to
teach the basics and then as you come across things,

(49:45):
you can go, oh, yeah, I've seen that before. It
was X Y Z, and that's but that comes the
experience in any role. But if we're but it's like
a person I spoke with one, so we're into a
shop to buy something. You know, it didn't quite see
the relationship between me arriving in the shop and actually
them having a job. You know, I walked in there

(50:08):
to buy something and the first thing that says, so,
I'm going on our shelves. Have you tried looking for
it online? Wow, I'm saying rather than saying, yeah, we
haven't got at the moment, but let me take your
name a number and I'll call you when it's coming in.

Speaker 16 (50:21):
You know.

Speaker 18 (50:26):
Yeah, So you would think as an employee, you know,
the first thing you want to be doing is saying
not promoting AI before so that you still have a job.
We still have people that can, but you're always going
to need the human factor because people do things that
the computer is going to go, What the heck is
that you know? It's just going to go I've never

(50:46):
seen that before. Computer says no, shuts down, and the
splashes a big red placing right until someone tells how
to deal with it. Because there is a point that,
like I said, with the human factor, you can't you
can't program for that. Ye belief you can anyway.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Thank you for your cool Malcoln appreciate it. Yeah, I mean,
it's just can we get our hit around the magnitude
of of what.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
It can do?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Though, because I think sometimes we think it can't do
something and then six months later it can While we're
talking about AI, do you think your job is replaceable
or not? Bill Gates reckons teachers and doctors are done.
But Bell Gates may be an AI, so you don't know.
You don't know if you can trust him.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Is he right? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
And if you're have been in a job where you
were replaced by AI or let go because the company
decided to outsource to artificial intelligence, love to hear from you.
It is eighteen past two.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Wow your home of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Afternoon to you twenty one past two, and we're talking
about artificial intelligence and where they you think it may
take your job or not a lot of people are
calling up saying that they think their job as AI
proof and we want to hear from you if you
think that shit.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Well, it's amazing because you know, sometimes you see something
that proves.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
How crazy and weird and random humanity is. Because there's
a text here that thinks that Bill Gates is in
a dick. You two afternoon bars lost me with one
of those ignorant swipes at the philanthropist Bill Gates's character.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
How dare you buy forever?

Speaker 2 (52:22):
If either that's like an evil AI robot or it's
just a proof that humanity is just so crazy that
someone would think that Bill Gates wasn't a dick.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
That feels like it was written by check GBT. I
mean it started to trail off towards the end and
got a bit confused, So that feels like early AI
to me. Maybe Bill Gates are off.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, And also the spelling boar in a different way,
like it's not we're not running around in the but
that's what the AI does.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
It puts in a little mistakes.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
You're almost had you put.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Them in there.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
You're writing boor as if we've got like little horns,
we're running around in the bush.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Yeah, anyway, we see you, We see you.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
AI will do everything if we let it, so we
must decide not to let it. Just because something is
possible does not make it right. One hundred percent agree
with that. But it's the problem is that no one's
going to stop because if one, say, for example, of America,
wants to put some restrictions on what AI does, China won't,
so then America won't.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
It's an arms race, and you never stop an arm.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
So no one wants to be behind when this singularity comes.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
That's for sure. You want the singularity to happen in
your country. Good quote on X Today. You know what
the biggest problem with pushing all things AI is wrong direction.
I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so
that I can do art and writing.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Not for AI to do my art and writing.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
It's very good.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
I mean, that's the whole problem with it, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
I heard it in an analogy, you know, with if
AI becomes all powerful and takes care of everything in
our lives, that the analogy was we effectively become housecats
that we get fed, we get looked after, we don't
really mind where the food comes from, and we just
live these little, happy lives where everything gets taken care
of things for us. And I kind of like that analogy.

(54:00):
We just become housecats. As human beings, I let the
robots take over.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
If our minds aren't right, we'll make a nightmare of
wherever we end up. Wherever this humans there's politics. I
know a farmer that has robots smoking his cows, says Don, Yeah,
that's kind of what you're talking about. That the cows
just go in, they don't care, they just wander up,
get milk walked out again.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Now this is interesting.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
This is on We were talking before about the farm
robots that a caller's daughter was working on. Just driving
down the beautiful Dunedin Peninsula, admiring the green hills and
lovely vista. Your talk of mechanical entities roaming across the
hills doing gardening and lawns brings to mind those creatures
on War of the World. Would we be better for it?
Humanity is slowly being made redundant. Sorry for ruining your

(54:39):
drive across the beautiful Peninsua. I absolutely love it out
that way, how dam but eyes on the road as well.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Yeah, yeah, it's very easy to go into the drink
along the peninsula exactly, is it, Evan?

Speaker 15 (54:51):
Ash?

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Have I said that?

Speaker 16 (54:52):
Ryan?

Speaker 10 (54:53):
Yeah, it is a nice share.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
How are you?

Speaker 9 (54:56):
Very thanks?

Speaker 2 (54:56):
You will work and it so you'll probably be on
the cold face of AI developments.

Speaker 19 (55:04):
I am not a quarter as we call it, and
that I don't write code, but I am in the
sect and I I've got a lot of friends who
work in the sector and or rather who do coding,
and what I have learned from them in the last
couple of months is that eventually, especially programmers, those jobs.

Speaker 9 (55:34):
Could possibly be taken by AI.

Speaker 10 (55:36):
So he's given me an example.

Speaker 19 (55:37):
So this lad is in the States and works for Amazon,
and he is pretty senior. He's been quoting for like
thirty five odd years.

Speaker 20 (55:51):
And this guy.

Speaker 19 (55:55):
Has like just to test out the AI, ask the
AI engine to write a program which, in his opinion,
even for him who's been quoting for such a long time,
would take somewhere.

Speaker 10 (56:08):
Up to a week of work, which is forty hours.

Speaker 19 (56:12):
And the AI wrote that through overnight and it was
absolutely spot on.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
So that's what we are talking about.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Right, So, I mean, you could argue that as a
percentage that needs you know, twenty percent of the people.
Then you know, if you're doing it overnight, you know
all the people, the hours that are going to be
just you lose four hours of employment, four days of
employment for someone.

Speaker 19 (56:40):
And actually, what is happening because of that, all the
inn three level jobs in the US, especially for the programmers,
they are becoming scarce and scarce. And these guys are
not anything, to be honest, the computer science engineers and programmers,

(57:06):
so it is tough times have to realign what they
would like to do in the sense there are other
other things that you can do in it.

Speaker 10 (57:14):
But I think one of the major.

Speaker 19 (57:19):
Job creation in it was programming and that seems will
be taken away.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Yeah, he's got points.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Although it is it is grind and grind and grind
when famously.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
It people are just coming in and turning and turning
the computer off and back on again.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
An't they?

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Yeah, it works, it doesn't it the past to keep
the pambamy keeps their jobs for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
The center of the job and it works.

Speaker 16 (57:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
We are going to take more of your phone calls
very shortly. Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty. It
is twenty seven past two.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talks, EDB.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yu Talks, Ed B.

Speaker 19 (58:00):
Bernard.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
What's your view of of artificial intelligence in the job market?

Speaker 20 (58:05):
Yeah, good, afternoons. Just some of the previous callers were
making mention of the fact that you know there will
always be the human element, et cetera. That reminded me
of some conversation that I witnessed back in the mid eighties.
To modulate eighties in in the good old video video
store video Movie where you enter rent videos, and it

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was just at the time when DVDs were starting to
come out, and I one of the customers asked the
owner of the store, you know, what's the impact of
these DVD is going to be on your video business?

Speaker 21 (58:38):
And he very proudly said, you know what, There'll always
be videos, because how on earth else would you be
a video recording programs off the TV. I find that
pretty funny because if you think back between what happened
between vhs and where we are today, I think very
few people truly understand the capability of what that AI

(59:01):
will have in the future. And I think we should
be very careful to say things like that, they'll always
be the element of the human being, you know, don't.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean read Hastings.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
I read his book you Know the Sea Over and
you know, the founder of Netflix going into Blockbuster Video
and saying, do you want to buy Netflix for fifty
million dollars? And they laughed him out of the office
because idiots, because they hadn't seen what was going to
come with streaming. Yeah, you know, and good luck finding
a DVD store. I saw Conon O'Brien must go the
TV show and he found there is still a video

(59:33):
store and DVD store in New Zealand somewhere. Can't remember
exactly where it is. Someone will tell me where it is.
Eighty is it Littleton?

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Littleton? And he rents out videos and DVDs as well.
Still going well, I think it's still going well. Oh,
look up the name. But if you know nine two
nine two, please let us know.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Thank you so much for your call, Burnett.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah, that was a great discussion. Thank you very much
to everyone who phoned and called on that one.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Shall I just finish with this text?

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Please?

Speaker 4 (59:57):
AI cannot love. It has no compassion. If we allow
AI and everything, our children will lose the ability to love.
AI needs to stay out of teaching medicine and psychology
or we risk him. Unfortunately, it's already in teaching medicine
and psychology, so we are risky our humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
And it will learn how to love you. So don't
worry about that. Right, good discussion coming up headlines with
ray Lane, then let's have a chat about what responsibility
your company has if you want to heckel politicians and
be a bit rowdy in public. That is coming up
very shortly. It is twenty nine to three.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Thank you very much, Raylene. So what power does your
employer have over you when it comes to heckling politicians
protesting bad behavior, arguably in public?

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Just going to stop you for second there, Yeah, please
before we go into this key topic. Yeah, you were
asking before where there are still video stores and DVD stores?

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
This pin, says Allison one Church Tyler. Well know it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
Take Patridge's DVD old School and a theater. How good?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Pyroa still has a DVD shop Mournsville United Video.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
There you go, and that one I was talking about
in Littleton did video?

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Yeah, okay, cool, So so it still exists. Sorry, Yeah,
that's all right, that's right. That's important to get out
there for you want to go rent some videos? They
still exist.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Yeah, so there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
That's so like if you know AI might be coming
for us. Yeah, but the video stores are still just
holding on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Yes, right, let's have a chat about this. So what
power does your employeer have over you when it comes to,
for example, hickling politicians. Now you may have seen this story,
but here's what happened when Winston Peters was at a
stand up yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Now we're not an acceptance is the punishment of a
lot of bollocks. It's looking in a mirror, Sunchoine, you look
like like bollocks.

Speaker 22 (01:03:04):
Mate, Sunshine, Donald Trump with the you're to you that
on look at you want to see you?

Speaker 12 (01:03:17):
You look Trump's up.

Speaker 22 (01:03:21):
You get out of here, get out good, last and
don't bloody.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Dead last league. You're married, now, are you?

Speaker 22 (01:03:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:03:31):
You're feeling well every day if you want it?

Speaker 24 (01:03:35):
Okay, thanks guys. Do you swear as well?

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Eh?

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
So rather spicy, But you got to say, I think
Winston probably came off better on that interchange.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah, and look, let's not go to in the details.
We don't know exactly who this guy is, but he's
a Tonquin and Taylor employee.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
And you can see that from his.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Very cool langyard that he was wearing. Sounds a lot,
like he has been spending a lot of time online
and has been had a mind warped by whatever messaging
he's got over there, whatever bubble he's operating in, and
he's taken that to the streets to yell at Winston Peter's.
It's funny because he sort of starts pushing back and
start when he started it. That's the whole weird thing

(01:04:15):
about this interaction. He's started it and then he loses
it so badly, which is free speech, though, isn't it
surely that you're allowed to go up and yell at politicians?
I mean, in that case, that gave Winston Peters an
opportunity to completely destroy the guy in public, which Winston
Peter's seemed pretty happy about.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Because he went off smiling.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
So Winston Peters didn't lose anything in that situation, did he.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
But as you were saying before, Tonkin and Taylor confer
the person involved as one of their employees and that
they're investigating under its code of conduct.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
So it's an interesting wasn't it. And We've got an
email from the Free Speech Union that had our own
boxes this afternoon, and easy to imagine they think that
Tonkin and Taylor, investigating this employee is way too far.
They say, individuals don't give up their speech rights when
they accept a job. That's from Nick Harney of the
Free Speech Union. He said, I quote, employees don't own employers. Rather,

(01:05:09):
don't own employees' time when they are commuting to work,
and the choice to heckel Winston Peters has nothing to
do with Tonkin and Taylor. No one asked their opinion.
They have nothing to do with this situation.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Yeah, absolutely right. So I don't think people should lose
their jobs for that. So can you read that again?

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
So they said, here's the direct quote from the Free
Speech Union. Employers don't own employees' time when they are
commuting to work, and the choice to heckele Winston Peters
has nothing to do with Tonkin and Taylor. No one
asked their opinion. They have nothing to do with the situation.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Yeah, I'd agree.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
I mean you would look at that and go, well,
they've hired quite an odd person to work for them,
and maybe they could look at them and go as
he the kind of person they want working for them.
But it'll be a bit of a leap for me
to think that I would think less of Tonkin and Taylor. Yeah,
I mean potentially Tonkin and Taylor goes, well, you know,
we do a bit of work with the government. Maybe

(01:06:03):
it's not great if our employees are running around a
music members of the government that make decisions.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
But my feeling on it is we live in free
speech is very very important and people should be allowed
to yell and reveal who they are. I mean, he's
revealed who he was, and so that's great for the
overall country. I don't know if it's great for the company.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
See, I agree with that. But where I think he
went wrong is we're in the lanyard and whatever you
think about people that we're at lanyard, whether the Geeks
or not, the fact that said Tonkin and Taylor on it.
That is where he went wrong. That if he took
that lanyard off and he had nothing to identify where
he worked, who he was, then Gopher Gold you can
say whatever you want to say.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Well, yeah, and he's made a mistake there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
But you know, he also clearly proved in the back
and forth that he wasn't the sharpest mind an operation.
Oh he lost his call. He was a knob to
get owned that thoroughly. You might ask questions about his
competency to deal with anything on a day to day
basis in a company. Doesn't look like he can deal
with pressure situations or can think on the fly at all.
But that's not Tonkin and Taylor's fault for us to

(01:07:10):
be angry at them. It might be information that Tonkin
and Taylor can use to decide whether they continue employing him,
but not for what he's done in public.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Yeah, not for the yelling at it. This is what
I this is personally what.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
I think that that shouldn't be grounds to fire him.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
I mean, he's probably got part of his contract which
says that he can't bring the company into distribute, and
that's a different issue. That's a legal issue there with
his contract. But for me, I don't think that that's
grounds to fire him. It's grounds to look at him
and go I don't think he's probably the sharpest tool
we've got in our toolbox. Yeah, but that's up to
them to decide who they hire.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Bang on and I agree, I don't think this guy
should get fired. But for Tonkin and Taylor to come
out and say, whatever this guy said, we absolutely do
not agree as a company what this knob said. We
cannot agree with him, but he's got to keep his
job because you know, we're not going to interfere with
his free speech.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Yeah, I mean, and they would have noticed that he's
not the sharpest operator quite a long time ago.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Imagine judging by that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty. Where do you think
the line is drawn between your employer and the activity
and behavior that you show in public, particularly when it
is behavior that may bring the company into disrepute as.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
This textas said.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
That's discussing that Tonkin and Taylor have even got involved.
Who cares who he works for? When I saw the story,
I thought, you're a bit of a nutter. But I
didn't go seeing and looking for who he worked for.
That's his own personal life that's getting out of control. Yeah,
and that's exactly I think. That's a very that person
said what I was trying to say. It took me
about two hundred and fifty words to say what that
person said, very succinctly in about ten words, twenty words

(01:08:44):
that Yeah, who cares?

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Let's get into it.
Love to hear your thoughts. It is eighteen to three,
the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Be good afternoon, the Tonquin and Taylor Heckler. Is it
right for his company to be investigating him having a
go at Winston Peters during a stand up? Or should
they but out if the guy wants to act like
a knob on his time and it's his problem.

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
People are allowed to say things. People are allowed to
yell things. Yeah, Yeah, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Mikey a very.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Good That sounds like the Mikey Havoc.

Speaker 24 (01:09:23):
It surely is, and said he is.

Speaker 23 (01:09:24):
And I've got a couple of comments to make about
this personally.

Speaker 24 (01:09:28):
So I'm not never been that bigger fan of Winston
Peters as such, but especially lately, what a rude man
he's turned into. Like the lady he talks to jails
and reporters and you know, anyone that he disagrees with.
But he's pulling the old Grandpark cards, the gloss old
Grandpark hards. And it's actually really nice to see somebody
just come back and with the same attitude. Lovely I'm

(01:09:51):
still like it. But I've never talked to people though
they would the people, but Mikey, he's got telling them
off about stuff and all that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Would you agree, Mikey that the guy started it though,
because the guy was the first person.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
The guy started the abuse and once some responded to it.
In this case, what I think is that that Winston
Peters attitude that might have started it, you know, because.

Speaker 23 (01:10:14):
He doesn't he doesn't, he doesn't look like the sort
of bessy you could go up to it with a comment,
you know, with an open mind and that and and
the calm to me that you know, we're showing people
down recently in a way that's, like.

Speaker 24 (01:10:27):
I say, like an angry old man. And the thinking
part of my comments met and father that I've never
ever heard of before, and you guys must have heard
about three thousand times already in the show.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Well, the thing is, Mikey, as you know, as a broadcaster,
when you get words that are enjoyable to say together,
like Tonkin and Taylor, you start saying them as much
as you possibly can.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Reminds me of Tonka toys.

Speaker 24 (01:10:49):
Yeah, then invest them, investigating them for you may not
be as great a pr exercise for.

Speaker 23 (01:10:54):
Them as they may have interistated.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
It's a fair point. But Winston does love a scrap,
doesn't he. And he's very good at it. You know,
he would be the only politician I can think of
that enjoys getting into scraps with Hiclas. He's he's up
for it. Yeah, he's waiting for them.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
And I personally like a back and forth. I personally
like you a matching of wits. Yeah and yeah, I
mean there could be a wider argument there, as the
Great mikey Hewvot points out that that's you know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Maybe there's a way politicians to behave.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
But you've got to say, in Winston Peter's defense, he
didn't get annoyed about it. Yeah, he loved it. He
loved the back and forth. So it would be quite hypocritical.
I guess if Winston Peters had thrown packed a sad
and said, don't talk to me like that. Yeah, he
just enjoyed the back and forth and gave us, gave
better than he got.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
He certainly was laughing when he left that interchange with
that person. And I think when the feller from Tonkin
and Taylor when he first started having a gout, when
he I don't think he realized how far or how
much he was going to lose that. I think he
completely lost his rag and ran out of comebacks and
then looked like an absolute tool. But their point from
Mikey Havock, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

(01:12:04):
number to call. Will take more of your calls on
whether Tonkin and Taylor has any right to investigate this
guy or if he wants to be a dick in public,
that's on his own time. They've got nothing to do
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
And if you're counting how many times we say Tonkin
and Taylor, I think it's up around fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
We'll get a wed bow every time we say it.
It is twelve to three.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
EBB, News Talks AB and we're talking about this Tonkin
and Taylor employee who has gotten too a bit of
strife for Hecklan Winston Peters. Do you think he should
lose his job? Should his company be investigating.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
And Tyler's so shocked about it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
He started bleeding from the nose and we've had to
run out and get a bunch of handytails from just
to paint the picture in the studio here. Yes, do
you get a few nose bleeds, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
I haven't had one for a long time. But I'll
tell you what. You wouldn't get ai doing that in
the middle of a radio show, would you?

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
There we go. You're so excited to have a legend.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
That is Mikey Havoc on the line. Hi, guys, why
did the heckler not take his lanyard off? Our boss says,
if we act like an idiot wearing our company colors,
you're for the high jump? Clearly hasn't it? It deserves
what he gets. That's from Chris. That's an interesting one.
I mean, it does seem like a foolish idea to
leave your lanyard on and reveal you work. But I

(01:13:19):
mean I didn't know was the guy as the guy
come down to the stand up with Winston. Peter's on
this rail announcement, the announcement of six hundred and four
million dollars investment, and at a Wellington stations he come
down to yell at Winston Peter's Is he just walking
past like Bigfoot and starts yelling some abuses he goes past.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
It appears it was off the cuff. He was a commuter.
He was sticking off the train. Funnily enough, Yeah, and
then saw Winston Peters doing a stand up. Clearly didn't
like Winston Peters and decided to have a crack at
I'm right in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Yeah, the Tonquin and Taylor guy has been infected by
a mind virus, a woke mind virus.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Have a look at his website.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Okay, okay, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
I well, good to hear they good to hear. Politicians
getting here held they deserve a rabot river. Some are
out of Yeah, I mean I don't really, I don't
have a problem at all with with someone. I mean,
it's annoying. You know, it's annoying if someone's having a
meeting in a hall and people just start yelling to

(01:14:19):
shut people down. You know, the idea that you shut
people down free speech is an interesting one because sometimes
people just bang things and use their right to be
to make a noise to stop other people talking. I
hate that, But you have the right to yell stuff
and have stuff yelled yelled back at you. Surely, ye,
I mean, and you do reveal who you are, you

(01:14:41):
know you risk a bit doing it, of course. I mean,
I'm not supporting those people that just turn up and
just make noise and try and stop other people talking.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
But you know, the politician, and in this case winstant
Peter's has every right to push back, right. I think
we're pretty lucky in this country that you can get
as close to our politicians as you can. You wouldn't
get away with that and the likes of America, would you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Probably not, although you do see a bit of it online. Josh,
welcome to the show. Your thoughts?

Speaker 7 (01:15:06):
Yeah, hey, you boys, you'd be greatest. Hope he can
get a few good callers on this the text people
if if they're not going to ring up, well hey, look,
give him less attention. You know they're not. They're not
going to ring up and wait for ten minutes to
talk to you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
But anyway, sounds like.

Speaker 7 (01:15:24):
I just want to say that Hitler. I thought it
was funny to see Hitler. However, I thought he missed
a good opportunity and he played the man, not the ball.
If he had actually been a little bit specific as
are you know, we're disappointed because of this Winston.

Speaker 16 (01:15:43):
And all that.

Speaker 7 (01:15:44):
But it was none of that. It wasn't political, it
was personal and it just didn't hit the.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Mark, Josh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
He said, he revealed himself as being agis he went
after Winston Peter's age, so he's he's biggoted towards people
that are older.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
He revealed that ring up.

Speaker 7 (01:16:03):
Cut me short like a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
Man, Okay, see you lad you us? Well, well you're
trying to ring up the show and trying to run
how the show is going to work. Wait, he wanted
to heickel us, I think Jesus Josh. Yeah, So he
rung up and said we should take calls. Come on mate,
like free speech, Josh're willing to bring up and say
something out of that?

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Yeah, yeah, when I'm going to investigate any further.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
Josh came an angry angry yeah in a china shop.
All right, right, yeah, all right, jo, I hope things
can inter for you.

Speaker 10 (01:16:35):
Josh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
All right, ring back anytime. We'll leave you on for
ten minutes and if I see your name and the thing,
I'll go to text before you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
I listen, Tony welcome to.

Speaker 10 (01:16:44):
The show, gentlet I'd better be certainly questioned. Well, I'm
going to put an investigation and Tom and Taylor and
they're involved in a lot of government projects.

Speaker 7 (01:16:55):
So at the end of the day, I think.

Speaker 10 (01:16:56):
This young gentleman has actually brought the company into disrepute
by wearing that identifying He might not have thought about it,
but he's actually identified himself as as an employee of
the company. And they obviously they've probably got a lot
of government contracts. And I think this guy should at
least get a final warning for that. I think his
behavior is appalling actually, to be honest with you, I mean,

(01:17:18):
if he doesn't like what Winston Peter's are saying, well
he doesn't have to listen to it, and he can
move away. But this business of making ill informed, smart
ass comments, especially by young people against a gentleman who's
been in politics for many years, I think it's a calling.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah, I mean, and you know, as Josh said before,
before he got angry, he was playing. He was playing
the man and not the ball. What wasn't he exactly,
which which kind of loses you the argument, because if
you're down there and you want to make your point
against what you disagree with Winston Peters about, then then
make your point.

Speaker 10 (01:17:47):
Yeah, yeah, he could have easily done that if he
actually Winston Peters just quite a reasonable person to talk
to if you've got a valid point. He could have
actually asked him a question, but he chose just to
basically be a pain in the ass.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Really, But to you, if he wasn't wearing something that field,
who was If he didn't have the langyard and he
was yelling, and you know that the bosses at his
company spotted him, I won't say the name, then would
you still would you still think he should be, you know,
be in trouble with his boss?

Speaker 10 (01:18:23):
No, because he hasn't been identified as an employee of
a particular company.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Yeah, yeah, got his goal, Tony. We're out of time
because news is on the way. But if we're going
to pick this up very shortly, your new.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie and Taylor
Adams afternoons on news Talk sebby.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Good Afternoon, having a great chat about Tonkin and Taylor
and do they have any right to investigate their employee
who had a bit of a heckl with Winston Peters
came off second best. I think that is undisputed. He
clearly lost in that exchange with Winston Peters.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
And yeah, you know, as Josh rangan after a few
and said he played the he played the man and
not the ball. And you know, whoever the guy is,
we don't know he is. We've found out that he
is a Tonquin and Taylor employee. Has this stick to
Andy says Tonquin and Taylor brought themselves into distribute. No
one would have noticed the lanyard if they hadn't started
speaking to the media.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
We have said it a lot, but maybe they wanted
a front foot the situation an goal. But you know
he did.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
He did get a bit ageist and obviously he doesn't
like old people and his abuse that he threw at
Winston Peter's and Winston Peters is definitely not the politest
person in the world. As Mike you have it rang
up before and said it takes a combative approach. So
from my perspective, I want free speech to be out there.
I want people to be able to yell and do
whatever they want to do. I think that's part of

(01:19:45):
being a member of our society. I think that's a
very important thing to protect. And you know, he he,
you know, looked by the sword, Diabo's sword. He started
the thing and he lost the thing. But wearing the
lanyard was a problem, idiots, was a problem. And I
think that his employee might be able to have a
complaint or some words with him and saying that, you know,

(01:20:05):
if you're going to be wearing something identifies you as
a work of our com then we might have a
couple of words to say about that. But if he wasn't,
let's just say he wasn't, then I don't think anyone
getting out in the public and yelling should come back
on their work, or should come back on their employer,
or should have anything to do with their their employment.
I think that's their time, their life outside of the job.

(01:20:26):
We're not owned twenty we're not owned twenty four to seven.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
By our employees.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
And I know what people are saying that you do
have things in your contract to not bring the company
and to distribute. I understand that, but.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
Just morally, but it's like anyone taking part in a protest,
right And there was a protest down in Queen Street
on Saturday, and a lot of people yelling out some
very obnoxious things, and they annoyed me. But I'm not
going to look at them unless they were actually wearing
a T shirt that said where they work. I don't care.
Do what you want to do on a Saturday. If
you want to be an idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Should see the kind of drunken behavior I get up to.
And we're in one news talk z'd b polo. I'll
be on top of a pool table, toilet seat round may.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
I've seen it multiple times, so god knows how they
even pulled you up on.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
That candy, Wendy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
You were there, You were at the at the station
for the actual exchange.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
I understand, yes, I.

Speaker 25 (01:21:12):
Was, yes, wow, And I must say it was I
was there from the beginning and everything was going very peaceful.
The reporters were there, obviously asking the correct questions when
Si Peters was asking, you know, answering them, and then
this guy just came out of nowhere and just muffled
himself in to where the reporters were and then just

(01:21:34):
instantly started attacking them like nothing to do with you know,
the budget with the rail or anything like that. And
the thing I felt really disappointed was there's lots of
school kids like standing around because you know they're like
all these cameras, there's Winston Peters, you know, there's some
parliament people.

Speaker 9 (01:21:49):
So the kids, school kids were.

Speaker 25 (01:21:50):
You know, gathering around and yeah, the sky was just
so rude and you know, it's locktious and just didn't stop. Yeah,
And I just thought that was like, you know, we're
in a public place and you know, the abuse this
guy was giving Munstone was just so uncle for like,
he wasn't there, he wasn't there listening to it all

(01:22:12):
from the beginning. He just basically came off the train.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
So do you think do you think he just arrived, Wendy,
I was sort of speculating on this before. Did he
come down to see Winston or was he just cruising
past and good annoyed?

Speaker 25 (01:22:22):
No, I believe he came off the train right and
he saw he saw him, and then he just just
basically pushed his way into where the media and stuff
were and then just started having to go.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
A m So he got so he got so triggered.
He got so triggered that he couldn't help himself even
though he is landed on he just got needed to
need to yell some ageous abuse at a man.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Yeah, it must have been a bit of a red
a red miss situation, Whendy, by the sound of it,
that he just completely lost his mind. Maybe he never
had it in the first place.

Speaker 25 (01:22:52):
Yeah, well I don't know. And it was just like
it just came from nowhere, and Okay, Winston, you know,
gave back, you know exactly what the guy was giving him.
But yeah, the guy knew that, you know, this was
not going anywhere and didn't stop, but just carried on
and made it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
Did you think do you think Winston won?

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Do you think Winston won the exchange?

Speaker 25 (01:23:16):
And I was just like, you know, abuse and stuff.
It's like I just thought, you know, like couse the
kids with you, and I just thought, you know, it's
a public place.

Speaker 5 (01:23:23):
And.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
It's interesting because, Wendy, because we've got this text here
that says, I'm a member of the Free Speech Union.
I disagree with them on this Isshue. It's abuse, nothing less.
If say a policeman or a nurse in uniform dished
out this mindus abuse, what would we think do deserve
to be fired? So do you think that in terms
of a free speech issue, Wendy that people should be

(01:23:47):
allowed to yell things out. You take umbrage with the
words he was using and the abuse he was giving.
So if he if he had turned up Wendy and
just sort of yelled some political points he disagreed with
in a reasoned manner, you wouldn't have had a problem.

Speaker 25 (01:24:04):
No, I probably wouldn't have, because yeah, that was you know,
like that was that was on topic and yeah, and
you know that could have been something you know, he
thought about, but it was just the way that he
just came all of a sudden, he just appeared and
then just abused abused Winston totally things that weren't even like,
you know, we're talking about a bloody budget for rail

(01:24:25):
for God's sake. So yeah, it was just like really,
and everybody basically was just the mouth dropped and we're
looking with.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Was it awkward? Did you did you?

Speaker 19 (01:24:36):
Did you?

Speaker 16 (01:24:37):
Did you feel good?

Speaker 25 (01:24:38):
I did feel yeah. I did feel awkward. And I
was standing quite close to the guy too, and I
was just looking at him going oh my god, like yah, yeah,
and I just felt like saying to him, you know,
you should be ashamed of yourself. You know, everybody thinks
you're idiots, and Winston was laughing and you know, you know,
saying yeah, I thought I.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Think I thought the bollocks line back to him was
pretty good from Winston, Wendy, when I think the guy
said to him, you're talking a load of bollocks and
head and you look like bollocks.

Speaker 25 (01:25:08):
Yeah, exactly, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
And what do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
So, Wendy, what do you think about people saying that
Winston Peters is you know, he's a member of parliament,
you know, Deputy Prime minister. Should he behave with more
decorum than he behaved?

Speaker 17 (01:25:24):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:25:25):
Yes, yeah, yeah, probably, yeah, But I just think it
was just so unprovoked. It was just, you know, he
was he was concentrating on reading the budget and the
reporters were the asking questions about the rail and stuff,
and the sky just came out of nowhere. So yeah,
I think it. I think, yeah, it's sort of you know,
and yeah, he was talking to Winston and no one

(01:25:45):
else was saying, excuse me, you need to leave. So
Winston was the only one that actually was addressing him.
No one there wasn't any security or any thinks that
you're saying to the skuy you know, like you actually
need to leave. So yeah, I suppose if Winston didn't
reply to him, you know, I don't know if anyone
else would have.

Speaker 7 (01:26:03):
So yeah, yeah, well thank you, thank.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
You, thank you so much for you for your support.
I appreciate it, very detailed. It was excellent, so good
to have someone on the spot.

Speaker 25 (01:26:13):
Yeah, the guy was a complete knob. And yeah, I
just I just felt because the school kits with you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
And that's just ye.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
And that's fair enough because the language when language had it,
the language towards the end was full on. And I
think Winston even said as much as he was leaving.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
The Stixa says, I think he was a plant free
advertising for Tonkin and Taylor. I'd never heard of them before,
but I have said that that Tonkin and Taylor twenty
eight times today.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Everybody know, so they are eight hundred eighty teen eighty
is the number to call. It is fourteen bus three.
Very good afternoon to you, seventeen past three. Now, just
a reminder, in about thirteen minutes, as part of our
Us the Experts series that we do every Wednesday, Mark
Vetti will be joining us to take your questions about
anything PET related. So it pays again in early because

(01:27:02):
the phone lines light up pretty much instantly. Oh eight
hundred eighteen eighty will get you in the QB and
nineteen nine two is the ten number.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
But right now we're talking about free speech and yelling
at public, politicians and public when you've got your company's
langered on, and what responsibility do you have to your
company to behave in a certain way in public?

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
Mark your thoughts.

Speaker 10 (01:27:24):
Yeah, guys, A free speech comes at a cost, all
right to me. There's things that you can say that
you have every right to say, but when you start
making it personal, I think it's quite possible that you're
going to get yourself into trouble like this guy did. Now,

(01:27:45):
my employer has we have written in our contract this
thing about bringing the company into disrepute. I had staff
as well that I have to make sure that if
they do this, we have to have bring them in
and have a word. They have every right, I think,

(01:28:05):
to instigate what damage this may have done to Tonkin
and Taylor. You think about how many times you'd mentioned
your name on the radio, and I for one too
many I had to have dealings with their company. Would
be thinking twice because I don't know where the sky
works within the company, and I certainly wouldn't want to

(01:28:27):
deal with them. So there's going to be ramifications for
the employer. Like at a lumpet, there will be ramifications
for the lawyer. Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
I don't think it'd be much fun around the coffee machine,
would he?

Speaker 4 (01:28:40):
By judges, I mean just.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
For me for some reason, I don't blame Tonkin and
Taylor to say their name for the four thousand time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
I don't look at them and go they're responsible because
I imagine a big company, and every company has good people
and their kids. We also know how hard it is
to get rid of employees sometimes when they are so
for me personally, I would never blame the company, but
I can see from their perspective they might look at
it and go, well, this doesn't make us look great.

(01:29:11):
But I also wouldn't want him to be fired for this.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Yeah, they can't condone what he says, but no, so.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
I think saying that for them coming out, I think
to say, look, we don't support what he said is
enough for me, and maybe they'll go mate tail whip
your landyard off next time you wanted to throw abuse
people for their age and public.

Speaker 10 (01:29:30):
Yeah, and look, if you're not identifiable and you keep
yourself as anonymous when you when you're doing something like this,
by all means, go go for gold. But we actually
take time out to educate all our people. It's not
just free speech. Well I guess it is free speech.
It's social media training and everything. It's like, you know,
if you've got your social media Facebook account up and

(01:29:52):
you start slagging off and people can identify what company
you work for. Yeah, it's not a good look.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Right, Yeah, well, thank for you cool, But you know
people say, there's that look guys. Winny and his eft
up government ruined thousands of people's lives in Wellington. All
government members are legit targets with the way that they behave.
This person says, oh please, Winston was awful. They both
looked like fools. Winston is full of himself and deserved

(01:30:22):
everything he got. Well, I would push back on that.
Winston didn't get much. He got an opportunity to completely
destroy someone in public. And Winston Peters is very quick, obviously,
and he does professionally debates professionally, so you know you're
going up against a tough one. And Winston seem pretty
toughed about it because he got an opportunity to get

(01:30:42):
some good zingers back. But yeah, maybe in this situation,
the more I think says either way, I pay Winston
wages and think his behavior was.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Appalling well in this situation. And I've certainly criticized Winston
on this program before, but in this situation, it feels
that this feller's behavior was uncalled for Winston was They're
doing a stand up and all of a sudden, this
fowler comes along, just jumped off the train about to
head to work and just starts going off at at
a government minister. So it's very different than say, someone

(01:31:13):
in a sign written van cuts you off in traffic.
They might have done it accidentally. Then you pull over
the side of the road and start arguing and having
to go at each other. In that situation, then that's
very different that even though you're in a sign written car.
I think it's about context, and in this context, this
guy was being out of line.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
I was just thinking about the time when Sir Rob
meldoone punched that bloke in the guts in the cargo.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
While you got the we video there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
No, but so you know that was a different situation.
Someone was heckling to Rob Meldon, he wasn't a serving
and he just gave him a whack in the guts. Yeah,
that's too far, I would say, when some Peters started
taking a swing, that would definitely be too far.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Yeah, but just on the question, you know, I can't
think of any other minister maybe David Seymour that would
give back as good as they get. So Whinston Peters
are clearly the master, don't don't we kind of want
that from our politicians a little bit instead of I
think most other ministers faced in that situation, we're just bolt.
They'd get out of it and say shows over. We
can't go on because this guy won't let us go on,

(01:32:17):
So we're done. Whereas Winnie pushes back, and the part
of me likes that. Yeah, you can't caught up with crap.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Whenever I see a verbal back and forth of any
type between people, I can't help but admire the person
that wins the verbal staush. Yeah, And if you're in
a situation like this where someone starts it and so
clearly loses it, then there is something quite funny about it,
you know exactly, But you know a lot of people
think that Winston Peters should not be should not be

(01:32:47):
behaving like that in public.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
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Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
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Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
It is twenty five past three.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
This texasays public space, free country.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Yep, I agree then, yeah, I actually see it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Yeah, but I would just take my lanyard off if
I was going to do that. Jim your thoughts.

Speaker 10 (01:33:17):
Here, You're very good.

Speaker 16 (01:33:20):
I reckon Tom and Telish a good described promotion in
a rage he couldn't have couldn't have orchestrated a bit
of purplicity was Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
I mean I think nineteen nine percent people don't know
what they do. But yeah, the name has been I
personally said it. I reckon at least at least twenty
five times today.

Speaker 7 (01:33:38):
Yeah, I know Tom Taylor is with the clients are.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
The good good company in the opinion, right.

Speaker 12 (01:33:48):
All right, mouthy, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
He wanted to say it, but he quite he couldn't
quite get there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
I think that every employment contract I've signed his stay
that I that I agreed to represent the company a
positive way so as not to probrium upon it, that
is to to custom Yeah right, yeah, I mean Tonkin
and Taylor were the one wants to say the name again,
did put up their hands and apologize, And I think
they do a certain amount of business with the government,

(01:34:18):
which might make it particularly you know, close to close
to home for them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
Yeah, this takes us here is Tonkin and Taylor are
a well respected civil consulting company. This guy will definitely
be fired for his actions, particularly ironic as Tonkin and
Taylor do the majority of consulting work for Kerry Rail,
which is what you were saying there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Hi, guys, the guy thought he was going to it
was going to be his moment and then got schooled
by an eighty year old car.

Speaker 16 (01:34:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
I think that's a lot of it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
I mean he was he was hassling Winston Peters for
being old in quite a biggoted fashion, and then got
proved that the eight year old was smarter than him, yeah,
or quicker than him in a back verbal back and forth.
So that's a little bit humiliating for the guy, But
I absolutely support his right to.

Speaker 4 (01:34:58):
Yell whatever he wants in public.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Maybe maybe lay off the fall on square words around
the school kids potentially, but you know, yeah, you say
public place, free speech, let's go free country.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
Well, as a punishment, you know, whether or not this
guy gets sacked from Tonkin and Taylor, we will find out.
I hope he doesn't. But in terms of a punishment,
it doesn't get worse than being ridiculed by a big
proportion of the country. You know, people seeing that and
looking at the guy and thinking you're an idiot, You're
an idiot.

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
Well, he doesn't look like he's a lot of fun.
But you know, we're only seeing a small snap. Maybe
is having a bad day.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
Yeah, exactly right. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty We've got
Mark Veddi animal behaviorist with us, very shortly, always a
popular segment. If you've got a question related to your pet,
he is the man to chat to. Doesn't matter what
your pet is. He is across all animals, So the
weirder the better. But eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine,
two ninety two is the text number. It is twenty
eight past three.

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(01:36:17):
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(01:36:40):
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About two Auckland emergency departments diverting patients to urgent care
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(01:37:02):
more at enzid Herald Premium. Back to matt Eath and
Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Thank you very much Rayleen So. Mark VideA is a
world renowned animal behavior a dog trainer and educator who
has been working with animals for over forty years. He's
a trained animal psychologist and created the Dogs in online
training program. He's about to launch Kats and Cats in
Rather and he joins us once a month on Ask
the Experting. He's back with us, Matt Mark, good afternoon,

(01:37:26):
How are you very very good?

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Let's jump straight into it, Jess, let's do it. Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
Hello, Hi Jess.

Speaker 14 (01:37:38):
Hey, our question.

Speaker 25 (01:37:39):
So, I've got a covertal who's a year and a
half old.

Speaker 14 (01:37:42):
Who's a six and a half kilo guy, and we
have just acquired a beagle who's two years old, a
very relaxed beagle, and the convertial hates them and keeps
like cruising around trying.

Speaker 10 (01:37:57):
To fite beagles years. I thought it would be around
how old.

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
How old is the beagle?

Speaker 14 (01:38:02):
And he is the both male and the bagel is
two years old and he has fourteen so he's the
bigger of the.

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
Truth, right, And are either them entire or the desext.

Speaker 14 (01:38:20):
A the bagel of desex the little caboodle event.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
As yet right? Right, okay, yeah, and you're saying the
kaboodle is having a crack at the at the beagle.
There is being aggressive with the beagel and a lot
of humping. Ye, so yeah, I mean the good news
is it's a relevant civilians if you're happy to do it.
And that's d sex in the cavidal. One of the

(01:38:45):
problems with an entire male with another dog generally, and
particularly a D SX male, he'll treat it more like
a female as you can see he's doing. And so
it doesn't mean that males don't mount female vice versa.
But when you've got an entire male, almost definitely, it'll
be the the androgens, you know, particularly testosterone that's stimulating
the behavior. And the simple answers to if you're happy

(01:39:10):
to do that is to get him d SEXT. So
if you're new to him, you'll find that his mounting
behavior will fall away quite quickly, normally in about a month.
And what you've got to be careful of is that
the hump of the mounting behavior can be perceived as
a dominance threat as well. You look at this's what
dominant dogs do also to subordinates at times, you know,

(01:39:33):
so that can be read that way, and therefore the
bigger dog, the beagle, may decide that he's going to
sort the cavoodle out and you know, and you end
up in a fight. That sounds good that he's laid
back eagle. So that's going to good use. And that's
partly because of de sext but because of twice his size,
you'll you know, there's the risk that you know, the

(01:39:53):
beg will counter respond to theodle. So d sexing is
a simple answer. You can do some behavioral techniques that
can help and so and we can talk more about that,
but it's a little more complex to describe it. Basically
where you use the effective meat and greet technique every
time they come together for a while. So that's something

(01:40:13):
that you should be doing in the meantime. And the
best way to do this is with a clicker.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
And yes, right, all right, all the best jeers, Thank
you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
Julia.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
You've got a hunt away a five year old that
hates motorbikes and planes.

Speaker 6 (01:40:29):
Well, yeah, she's my granddog and I get to look
after her quite a lot. She doesn't actually hate them,
but she just she just barks. As hundred ways do
more at the sound of them. Definitely. If she sees
the post ego past on the on a motorbike, she'll
bark and as soon as the motorbikes turned off she'll stop,
so she's not aggressive.

Speaker 9 (01:40:50):
I guess I've got three.

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
That's quite common. Yeah, yeah, it's quite common stuff for
a hundaway. Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:40:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:40:57):
What's the best thing to do when it happens when
you're out walking? That's one question? Can you do anything
about it long term? And may she grow out of it?

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
Yeah? She probably, you won't go out of it, so
it's better as the trainer out of it. And it
is very trainable. So normally what I do is part
of it that there's to two parts. One that I
teach the hunter way to a quiet command, you know,
so that and I use the clicker for that. So
you set it up in a situation normally on a
little short lead while I'm training, and then I get

(01:41:29):
it to bark and then teach it to be quiet.
As soon as it's quiet for three to five seconds,
I click and reward and then I extend that out
to learn is what quiet is. So that's the first
technique that I use as I teach the hund way
to be quiet, which is pretty important because hunter ways
are barking dogs. That's what they do for a job,
you know, So when they see a motorbike, when they're

(01:41:50):
hyper arounded by something moving fast like a motorbike or
a plane, think about what they bark at. They bark
it sheep and cattle that are moving, and they try
and make them move. So that's you know, anything that
moves stimulates their hurting behavior, and so that orients them
to the stimulus. Motorbike noise, main noise. They'll look at

(01:42:12):
it and then they'll bark at it. So normally I
teach them. I get some audio tapes of those sounds,
and then I am using a desensitization technique and a clicker.
I work and teach them to accept those sounds without vocalizing,
and I use my quiet command when I'm doing that.
Once I've done that in a training context that takes

(01:42:33):
probably a week or two, then I'll start to extend
it out in real situations. And I normally get a
mate with a motorbike and just do a bit of
work around home, and then I slowly build that up
and then I'll go to something I can airport and
do some plane work. But yeah, you can train it
out of them. And that's underways are really smart. So
get them on a clicker and you watch how quickly
they learn. They love food, very vocal dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Underways all the best, Julia.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
Tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
The weirdest thing that I've seen is this dog I
know called Benny, who lives in topor.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
Great name, great dog.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
Yes, human eye, but he only think. He barks at
as parasailors, you know, out the bed of the boats. Yeah,
it's so bizarre. He just sees them and they seem
so far away. Do nothing else, but he sees these
parasailors and they just make him so angry. It's bizarre.

Speaker 5 (01:43:19):
Were parasale? It cause the bloody unusual.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
Things chasing you. Right, thank you very much, and teach
them to yeah, perfect, right.

Speaker 5 (01:43:30):
Mark.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
We've got a couple of text questions here. This one
says my husband and I have recently bought a new
puppy and we have had him for two weeks now.
He is six months old from a breeder. Unfortunately, he
barks at my husband whenever he enters the room and
we are not sure what to do about it. It's
driving us mad.

Speaker 5 (01:43:47):
Yeah, okay. So first first thing to understand as you
should get you puppy eight weeks. When when a breeder
gives you a puppy at six months old, then it
means it's been kept to see if it's got breeding potential,
and then they kept it to six months in the
breeding context, which isn't normally very good. It's normally you know,
it's normally a Kinnolt situation or they're not getting enough

(01:44:09):
exposure to people and other dogs. You always like to
get the puppy at two months, that's always the best.
So realizing that you've missed the formative period of socialization
for him, which is two to four months, and so
now he's six months, he's a teenager and he hasn't
probably been socialized well enough. That's my anticipation based on
lots of having seen many many dogs. So normally you're

(01:44:32):
now going to teach them a meet and greet technique
for people. And the first thing I'd do with the
male owner is that I'd get him on to the
clicker with the dog and get him working doing what
it called joining up. It's a simple little technique with
a clicker, the dog larrant to him quite quickly. You
need to start the dog on the clicker so he
gets responsive and understand what it does. And then within

(01:44:55):
two or three days you should better transfer that to
your husband with your partner, and in that context, he
needs to take control of the resources, particularly feeding and
the clicker training, and you'll see the dog very quickly
start to reorient to him as well, and maybe even dominantly.
But one way or another, you've now got the relationship built,

(01:45:16):
and then you need to extend that socialization to other people.
I would anticipate that that dog would be a bit
anxious about meeting any males if if he's anxious about
one that he's already got to know very girl trying
to get to know.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
Yeah, great, right, if you've got a question for Mark,
now's your opportunity. Oh, eight hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
Yea, that's right, one hundred eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Doesn't need to be a dog, could be a rhino,
could be a giraffe, donkey, donkey, absolutely, lama.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
We love lama questions. We had a few lama questions,
So get on the phone. Frog, Yeah, whatever, how are
you with the lizards?

Speaker 5 (01:45:48):
To both pooky go. Yeah, it's a good.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Okay, right, let's get into it. Oh, eight hundred and.

Speaker 4 (01:45:52):
Eighty ten eighty a giant shapedin kraken. What have you got?

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
It is nineteen or four.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you is your afternoon rolls
on madd Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
It'd be afternoon and we are by Mark Vitti, world
renowned animal behavior. So he is taking your questions.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
Hey, so this particular dog, Bennie's a kvoodle and so
I just bought it up.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
And then the mum of Benny the Fantastic Rosi is
texting and she said, what can we do about Bennie
barking at the parasailors?

Speaker 14 (01:46:28):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:46:28):
What can we do? Exactly what I was talking about
for the prior person, you know. So that and that
was teaching a quiet command with a clicker and then
then we work then and so you do that at home.
If you can get some visual or sounds of the parasler,
that helps too while you're doing your training at home.
And then you take it go to sight and start

(01:46:50):
working him on a clip station with a clicker and
you're teaching him to quiet and clicker reward him as
the parasailor starts getting up and then while he's up
and then right through the routine and then comes down
and try and keep him quiet through the routine just
using the clicker. Has he got a strong food drug?
Got a what h strong food drive?

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
Food drive? He likes to heat, but he's no labrador?

Speaker 5 (01:47:17):
Yeah yeah, yeah, where you might need sausages then either way,
high value food award and context. But once you've done
it at home and you've got the basics of the
quiet command working, then it translates to the new situation.
If you's going to do it systematically.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
Oh there you go highly corrupt with me. It is
just time for my own family's problems.

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
Peter Work on the show. You've got a problem with
ultrasound alarms.

Speaker 26 (01:47:42):
Yeah, Mark high Mark. My neighbor has a caboodle and
it barks a lot. I don't think it's ever had
any training runs around the back section, just barks all
the time. And I wanted to ask you whether these
ultrasound control boxes are of any use.

Speaker 5 (01:48:05):
Yeah, well, I mean the people use them to try
and divert you know, a dog from barking, you know,
at them in that kind of context, and I'm not
quite you know. I mean they work at about twenty
to forty five thousand hertz, which is the high end
of the dog range and above our range, you know,

(01:48:26):
So they're working at a high level. But the dog
can hear it well. But it's you know, it doesn't
necessarily mean that it's going to make it aversive, you know,
just because it's in their higher range. You know, that's
the range of the of the present the prey species
that they aren't in the wild, so like mice and
rats and so on, So they can hear it that
range and that and so it can have a verse

(01:48:48):
in effects. And that's what they're trying to do. And
so i'd suspect what you're suggesting as you use it
to try and divert the neighbor's dog from barking beside you.
It's a possibility that it will help a little bit,
but really the bottom line comes down to the owners
doing the right thing to train the dog. It's better

(01:49:10):
to solve the problem from the dog's owner's point of view.
So I'd go and have a chat to them about
it and talk about the fact that you know there
are ways of treating barking, but you're probably not going
to have much effect from that side. I would suspect
with an ultras on a pog alarm.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Thank you for be cool, Peter. It looks like dogs
are causing a lot more problems in the community than
octopi because just a whole heap.

Speaker 4 (01:49:35):
Of dog calls.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
Lot of people want to talk about dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
Nothing on squids, out of control squid.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
No, but we did.

Speaker 5 (01:49:41):
We did octopus to photographs, so did you? So that
was a very good world first, it was good. Yeah,
we're Kelly Talton's the family's coming in and having a photograph.
It took me about two months to train one and
then unfortunately, females when they have their eggs die and

(01:50:03):
it had the eggs three days before the shoot, which
was pretty unfortunately. I had two other is watching and
managed to bring one of them and he did the
job beautifully.

Speaker 4 (01:50:13):
Composition beautiful, beautiful. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
Well, one thing that blows my mind about octopus, and
I know we're off topic, octopi, octopuses whatever, octopusy. The
thing is, they're so smart but they don't live very long.
But that's right for a creature to be that intelligent. Well,
they only live three years max, don't they.

Speaker 5 (01:50:33):
Yeah, well it depends on the species. But yeah, the
problem is when the female has her eggs, she dies
straight afterwards. So it's a kind of a sad affair.
And I didn't really know that while I was training them, unfortunately,
which seems a bit silly as a zoologist, but yeah,
it nearly caught me out that we succeeded in saving
the day. It's very difficult, though, to teach her octopus

(01:50:55):
to take a photographs. They ate ten cameras before we
even got to the one that worked.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
You know, we'll take your word for that, March. Not
many people get into that situation.

Speaker 5 (01:51:05):
It was not a common thing though.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
I mean we're getting off topic here, But how do
you choose which particular tendacle they're going to use to
press the button with the Yeah, well.

Speaker 5 (01:51:14):
They get to choose, and because one each each tentacle's
got a brain, because they've got nine brains, and so
you're actually talking to particular brains. And it's interesting. They
do use the same foot and they change certain colors
depending on how you're going. You know, do you really

(01:51:35):
pissed them off, they go red, you know, and and
then you know, and then they'll normally send them squirt
of water straight at you. Quite and so they're fun
to work like humans and they don't bite you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
That's going to say, it's like working with Tyler. If
he gets angry, he goes red, gets really angry, he
squirts me.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
Quick quick question here about donkeys, says Hi, we've recently
adopted a donkey. Lovely nature for most of the family. However,
when it comes to our ten year old daughter, the
donkey will chase her and head butt her at every chance,
only only does it to and now she is terrified
and said, donkey, why is this and what can we do?

Speaker 5 (01:52:12):
Yeah, so it will be to do with you know,
how how did the donkey grow up with that with
that family?

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Uh No, they said they've recently not.

Speaker 5 (01:52:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. So you know, normally with donkeys,
you know, they're quite an individual and you do need
to be experienced with a donkey. They can they can
kick out, and they can be quite aggressive. So don't
underestimate a donkey, even though they look small. Donk they
use donkeys to control bull herds, so they'll put a
male donkey in with a bull herd, and it won't
know one much with the donkey, and the donkey sorts

(01:52:45):
out any fighting. So yeah, they can shoot way above
their weight range and or punch above their weight range.
So be careful with the donkey. But but by the
same token, they're beautiful animal. It's all about food for
donkeys if you want to, So I click a train
a donkey, and I always the best thing for the
little for you to do and then to pass on
to your daughter, is to use a just a stick

(01:53:08):
with the ball on the end of it, and I
teach the donkey to touch it with its nose. If
you don't, it touches it. I clicked and food reward
with sweet feet. So have a little box of sweet
feed on my belt and I click, and don't let
it into your sweet feed belt. They make them damn
mess quickly. And then you click and reward them for
touching the stick. And then you move that round and

(01:53:30):
it follows you and touches it, and click and reward,
and then once you get ConTroll of it that way,
you can actually move the donkey round and right from
that point on you'll be fine with a donkey and
then you transfer that to the dater. Will be the
time well, and I mean you also should also hold
your train them. Of course they should be good on
a holter, of course, and so anyone should be able

(01:53:52):
to walk them on a halter.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
I was staying at a farm, just on a ranch,
just out of Los Angeles, and the borrows as they
call them, the borrels, the borrols were everywhere, just packs
of wild donkeys.

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
You was driving down the road and there'll be twenty
donkeys come running past. The bottles, the bottles, all the.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Yeah, yeah, very good, Mark, Mike. We're going to take
a couple more calls just after we play some messages.
So one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number. It
is eight to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
It'd be afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
A vow.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
You're on with Mark.

Speaker 17 (01:54:37):
Thank you, Good afternoon, Mark. It's Poul Nals here. I
have a beautiful black labrador and of course he's food orientated.
When I go to the dog park, other people have
a bag on the side with their treats. And they're
training their dogs. My boy, like you know, she's right
on the side, sitting down the way wanting a treat.

(01:54:59):
He wants one as well, and sometimes he gets one.

Speaker 5 (01:55:03):
Yep. So the trick there is have your own bag
of treats. All you need is probably kimble because see
all did anything. Probably if he's a lab and I mean,
I'd take a clicker as well, and you just reinforce
your recall work and I'd run a little long line
on him until I knew I could call him back
from that situation. But when he comes back, click and
reward him. And of course then you're just as an

(01:55:23):
important to him. In fact, we'll be more important to
him than the other one and their treats. So just yeah,
five treats with treats that should go, no problem.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
All the bears foul and Mark. That is all the
time we've got. Thank you very much again, and we
will catch you again in a month's time. We've got
so many texts and questions to get next time you're
on with us.

Speaker 5 (01:55:43):
I clear that anyone needs to jump on the school
find out, go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
We'll be there, yep, love it. You can check out
Mark and his business and his work at Mark Vitti
dot com. And he'll be back with us in about
a month's time.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
All right, thank you to all your great new zealders
for listening to our show. We've had a great time.
Hope you have the mat util Laughter. News podcast will
be out in about the hour. If you missed any
of our excellent chants on jobs that will be sweet
in the face of AI or how far Free which
goes when you're wearing your company lanyard, jump on our podcast.
Go and hear any of that wherever you get your pods.
My good buddy, hither Diople see Ellen is up after news.

Speaker 4 (01:56:16):
The song here is from the Kiwi band Zoom the
new album Something Good is Happening. That's great. I got
the album on vinyl on the weekend. Every track is brilliant.
That's all from us. See you tomorrow afternoon until the end.
Wherever you are, what are you doing, Have a great
afternoon and give them a taste of Kiwi from us.

(01:56:49):
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Full Show Podcast: 21 May 2025

Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial