Full Show Podcast: 22 July 2025

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Hello, you're listening to Matt and Tyler Full Show Podcast
number one two six for Tuesday, the twenty second of
Juy twenty twenty five. And look, we had a start off.
It's quite a good TV chat at the end went
a bit off the rails.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
A lot of discussion about watching five places on your TV.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, a lot of older people ring in. Yeah, anyway,
it's there was some good stuff there. Yeah, there was
a good stuff, amazing and incredible stuff. So and yeah,
pretty fiery chat at one point about whether you should
blather on too your work mates about how much you earn.
Apparently most I think people think it's a great idea.
I personally think it's the height of bad manners to

(00:52):
ask someone how much they earn. And you should never
tell someone. And if you do, lowball them. Yep, even
if you're seven winds deep, just I mention it. Do
not mention it whatever they ask. Minimum wage buddy, Yeah,
minimum Waves drinks low as you can go. The drinks
are on you, buddy. I'm on minimum Waves.

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Talk said the very.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Good afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday show. Awesome to
have your company as it always is. Hope you're doing well.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Get a man, get a Tyler, get everyone. Let's get
stuck into three hours of exciting talkback one hundred and
eighteen eighty nine nine two.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
It's going to be a great show, as it always
is after three o'clock. Do you still watch terrestrial TV?
This after Sky TV is buying financially trouble TV three
for one dollar and what has been called a seismic
media move that pits it in a new battle royale
with TV AND's.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
What's interesting to me is how valuable just that button
number three is yeah for Sky to have with TV three,
Hugely valuable because whilst a lot of people have abandoned
completely to watch streaming or whatever, the people that watch
terrestrial television, they go one two three. That's about as
far as they're willing to flick.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
You're right, Yeah, By chances are you found something to
watch by that stage. So this is going to be interesting.
I don't watch too much terrestrial TV, but when I do,
it's because I want to break from making a decision
about what to watch. There's something still nice about that nostalgic.
But can to hear your views about whether you still
watch terrestrial TV?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Well, have interesting implications for sport being replayed? Yeah on three?
And yeah, look, I think it's good for the media
landscape that we don't have one of the big the
big players just sucking money out of the whole market
just to pay overseas debt. Yeah, I think it's great.
The Discoveries swallowed the debt on this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
One hundred percent. So that is after three o'clock, looking
forward to your calls on that. Then after two o'clock
do you care where your clothes are made? Milan has
started to crack down on some very high end fashion
houses which have been accused of using cheap Chinese labor
to make goods that you pay a pretty penny for.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, so you're playing for the brand or the quality.
It just seems to me that if it's an Italian brand,
it should be made in Italy one hundred percent. If
you're going to pay that stupid, ridiculous amount of money
for something that looks like a bunch of other stuff
that other people have looking at you, Louis Verton to

(03:32):
your luggage, then it should at least be made in
the country, right, Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I bought some running shoes a couple of weeks back,
Solomon Good Brand. Then I realized as I was opening
the box that they were made in China. I was
absolutely gutted because I've paid a lot of money for
those shoes. But that is after two o'clock right now?
Should you ever share what you earn with your coworkers?
A Labor Party's member bill that seeks to stop employers

(03:58):
enforcing gag orders on workers talking about their salaries is
likely to pass into law, so Labor MP Camela Bell
it she has put that bill forward. It's called the
Employment Real Relations Remuneration Disclosure Bill, and it passed its
second reading early this week. Currently, employers can put pay
secrecy clauses and workers contracts, preventing them from discussing their

(04:21):
salaries with colleagues.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Look, whether it's in the contract or not. My opinion
of this is you should never discuss your salary with anyone,
and there should never be pressure on you to do that.
And I think it's quite crazy that you, you know,
if you want what you get paid is between you
and the employer. Surely, Yeah, So it just just seems
like it's going to make people so unhappy.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
I get the disharmony aspect that if you're in a
workplace and you find out that John, who's doing the
same work work as you, gets paid twenty thousand dollars
more than you, then all of a sudden that starts
to cause a whole big rift and resentment within that workplace.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, and you might be quite happy with what you
earn because you go into a meeting right with your
employees and you decide what you're going to get paid,
and you negotiate back forth, and you push as hard
as you can, and the competition with other places that
you could work back and then you work out a
number that you're both happy with. Yeah, if Tyler works
out a better number than me, then Tyler's worked it out.

(05:21):
But that's between Tyler and the employee.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Surely it's a who dares win scenario, and I'm with
you on that one, But part of me thinks that
not telling your colleague what you earned. But if there
was a portal that you went into and you could
start going through what everybody earns so you don't have
to ask anybody any questions? Does that still breed resent
that I suppose it would. But if you know what
the CEO earns, you know what your senior manager earns,

(05:46):
then does that start to give you more ammo to
take it to your next pay negotiations?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Now I've we don't know what each other earns and
what other hosts on Newstalks he'd be earned. No, but
do you think this guy I'm just going to play
some audio from a discussion on this earlier today, and
can you tell me if you think at the end
of it whether the guy talking earns more or less
than you. It'll be office gossip.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
It'll lead to people ganging up on people to rumor
to when you end up backstabbing. In a general sense
of our needs not to mention the fact that if
you have an arrangement with your boss, that's between you
and your boss. There's a privacy issue. Obviously, unionize jobs
of mass pay are different. But a lot of the
world's on a contract, and that contract is legally binding,
and it's a legally binding understanding between you and the
other party. I'm not sure Camiller or her party or

(06:34):
now then that's quite get the fallout that's coming. Look,
if I told you my income, it'd be a headline
and stuff in about half an hour's time in a
national debate would ensue and ten thousand keyboard warriors would
have a field day. Under this new law, there's nothing
stopping me.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Are going to be on stuff in fifteen seconds? Mike, Yeah, yeah,
I think half an hour is yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, And to your question, yeah, I think we'd be
about on par wouldn't we?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
I hope. But look, say Mike had to you know,
you ran to him at the water cooler, and the
law chained much that he doesn't have to keep it quiet. Yeah,
you know that there can be no clause that says
he's not allowed to talk about his wage, which is
which is the way we have it now. Yep. In

(07:17):
my contract, I'm not allowed to talk to anyone about
what I get paid. Yes, but he wouldn't have to,
and he shouldn't. No, you know what I'm saying, So
you know match this businesses, Matt. Surely you understand that
the bill isn't going to force anyone to share the
salary if they don't want to. So what's the issue.
Are you suddenly now telling people what they should be
doing instead of people being individuals?

Speaker 5 (07:39):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I mean a contract is always a Texter max as always.
That's what a contract does. It's an agreement with people
to do and not do certain things. So that's not
that's not a free speech issue if that's what you're
trying to make it. I would say, whether that whether
it's in your contract or not, it's incredibly stupid and
incredibly impolite to ask someone what they earn, or to

(08:03):
tell someone else what you earn. We can agree on that.
So I think it's morally wrong. I think it's morally wrong,
and so I believe that it's morally right that you
should be allowed to have enforced privacy. So you can
just say to yourself, you can say to someone that
comes up to you and says, what do you earn?
You say, I can't tell you.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, it's in my contract. Wish I could.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I can't. I think that's a great protection for people.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Just another scenario and its difference. But say, I am,
and actually I've been in the scenario before. I'm going
for a job and I'm about to be interviewed, and
I know someone who's recently left, and I asked them, Hey,
how much did you earn? Just so I know I've
got a bit of a ballpark figure in mind when
it comes down to salary expectations. So I'm armed with

(08:47):
a bit of information about what they've got to play with.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (08:50):
And that's very different from asking your colleague. I'll get that,
But how did you feel about that? Is that a
scenario that actually arms a potential new employee with with
unfair information?

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I'm not sure. I still think it's a little bit
you're putting a person on a spot by asking that
for your own personal gain, right, Yeah, So I think
I know this is how I was brought up. I mean,
the most trouble I ever got to in my life
was when our cousins came round and we had a
flash of car than them, and I said to my cousin.

(09:21):
Uh huh, our commodore is better than yours. And my
dad grabbed me by the ear and dragged me around
the house. And he's never been more angry at me
then or since, because he was saying, you don't lrd
what you've got over other people. You're going to go, Dad,
You don't share that kind of that. That's not around that.
We just that we treat people. Yeah, it's good. Listen.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel
about this? Are you in a workplace right now where
there is some transparency? Love to hear from you on
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
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Speaker 3 (09:57):
That'd be very good afternoon to you. So employers may
need to be ready to face up to some uncomfortable
discussions about employee pay. This is according to some employment experts.
There's a bill going through Parliament as we speak. It
looks set to pass it past the second reading that
will get rid of secrecy clauses and contracts which prevent
employees from discussing their salaries with colleagues.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
My advice to everyone going forward, even if this crazy
bill goes through, is never ever share the details of
your pay with someone else. I don't care how drunk
you get at the Christmas party. Never never, absolutely morally wrong.
It's a can of your salary, It's a can of worms.

(10:40):
It'll make things so much more difficult for you going forward.
You the business about what you get paid is between
you and your employee. When you're negotiating what you're going
to get paid.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, what's your thoughts, Wendy,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
Hello.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
I'm definitely you keep your what you're earning private. It's
between you and your boss, and it shouldn't even be
an issue to be dealt with.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
And why do you think it should be private?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Windy? Is that?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Do you agree with Matt that it's long been discourtiest
to share what you earn, not just with your colleagues.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
But well, well, I think it's discourteous for a reason.
I think a lot of these things that become manners
are there for a reason because over time people have
discovered the discussing it ends an absolute disaster.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
I totally agree it is manners not to ask at
any rate. I mean, it's your business and nobody asks,
and that I've been like that right through my working career.
It's what I earned is private.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
It's an interesting one because I probably ask for that
clause to be in my contract. I definitely want my
employees not to discuss what I earn with other people.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
It's right, totally, Yeah, it's just between you and your employer.

Speaker 8 (12:03):
What do you say to that?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
What do you say to people that say that leads
to inequity? Because if it's all out in the open,
then you can see that someone might be getting paid
more to do the same job.

Speaker 7 (12:17):
Oh, honestly, and truly, it's just a can of Williams
and it's just ridiculous. You just don't need to go
down that road. If anybody asked me, not that worrying
about it now because I'm a featurer. But if anybody'd
asked me before, I would tell them just to mind
their own business.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
And I would mean it, yeah, and fair enough to Wendy,
and I would tend to lean towards your argument. But
I'm thinking about a scenario, and this obviously happens where
someone's been in the company for ten years, you know,
for example, and they're a good work and they've been
there for a long time and put the company ahead
of a lot of their own things that are going
in their life. Then they employ a new person and
for whatever reason, this employee who's been there for ten

(12:57):
years finds out that that new employee, who's doing the
same job is getting paid ten thousand dollars more. That
would make you irate is someone that's given a lot
to that company and then they get some guy that
they're paying more.

Speaker 7 (13:10):
Well, the company shouldn't be doing this. There should be
should be fair and equitable.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, it's good argument. Yeah, thanks for your call, Wendy.
I mean, yeah, but I know, and if there's already
laws in place that you can you know, a lot
of people are talking about the gender thing here, but
this always already laws in place. If you can't pay
someone for the same job less by virtue of their gender,
but you can't take away the idea that people could
could negotiate harder and sell themselves harder to employee to

(13:37):
an employee.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
I mean, it's why I've always been against collective bargaining.
I think that if you are good at your job,
you should be able to, as an individual go to
your boss and tell them that you need a pay
rise on this certain percentage. And here's why, because I'm X,
Y and Z. Whereas you know, the click of bargaining
takes that right away and everybody gets the same pay rise.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
So what do people think about this? One hundred and
eighteen eighty. This is a text that's come through from
Karen morally wrong to stop people getting their worth by
cover ups and gas lighting. So, I mean, is it
a cover up are you? Is it a cover up
up to not discuss what you're being earned or is
that something that you hold something about your life you
can hold deer? I mean, do you have to then

(14:17):
tell everyone how much it's been on groceries? You know
it's a good how much your pants cost?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, no, it's a good point. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. We've got plenty
of calls.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
To get as a gas lighting. If someone comes up
and see it, Oh that's a nice watch. How much
do you pay for it? And you say, look, I
don't really want to talk about that. It is a
nice way. How by the way, thank you. Yeah, how much?
I'm not going to tell you more than you In
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Speaker 1 (14:40):
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Speaker 2 (14:47):
Are they going to run a model where if you're
of a certain race.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
You get in more easily like a tiger in Auckland.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
We'll have to focus here is on tracting and retaining
people from those more rural communities.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
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Speaker 1 (14:56):
Their admission criteria will be developed.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah, but if it's developed where a Maori person gets
in on seventy nine percent and everyone else's ninety eight percent,
are you going to do that or not?

Speaker 1 (15:04):
The priority here is to make sure we're getting people
from regional New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
But simple questions.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
If the regional person that happens to be Murray, will
they get in with a lower score than a non Murray.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
If we want to make sure it's a fear system,
is the system.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
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Speaker 3 (15:23):
Twenty five past one, should you ever tell your colleague
what you get paid?

Speaker 9 (15:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:26):
That's right, because a new bill will make it such
that a contract cannot restrict you from discussing what you
get paid. And as Mary points out here, come on, guys,
the proposed change does not force anyone to disclose this salary.
It just stops an employee bidding forbidding it. Do your
partners know your salary? I only have one partner. What

(15:49):
are you saying, Mary? One of them does?

Speaker 9 (15:52):
He just does it? No?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yes, But right now you have got the blanket situation
where someone asks the incredibly rude question Mary, what do
you earn? You can go, I can't discuss it. It's
in my contract. That's taken away now. So then the
pressure comes, why won't you tell me what you earn?
And the next thought is, you won't tell me what
you earn because you earn more than me, And then
bitterness and the can opens and the worms are all

(16:16):
over the workplace. That's my belief in it, and that's
why I believe we have that social taboo on asking
people how much they get paid. Wayne your thoughts on this, Yeah, Well.

Speaker 9 (16:27):
As an employer. None of my guys earn the same
amount of money, we'll get the same hourly rate, and
they're encouraged not to talk to each other about it. Effectively,
everybody starts, well, we've got three separate starting rates. But

(16:48):
if somebody I want to keep, then I'll pay them.
But somebody I don't really, well, they can come or go,
then I'll pay them less, give them a lesson a
pay rise. And if they've been a naughty boy or
something stupid like that, like one of those seeing the guys,

(17:08):
it's got no pay rise for two years because it
was being an idiot.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
So how do do you do you do your employees,
generally speaking, approach you for a pay rise or do
you give them more because you think that they are
more valuable when it comes to it comes to the
time of negotiation.

Speaker 9 (17:26):
Okay, every time there's a general pay rise, you rise
in the minimum wage the where we use that percentage
generally speaking, on the first of April April fools date.
But if somebody comes along and says, hey, I think
I'm worth more, then I'll say why, you know what

(17:49):
what what what are you giving me? What? What production
are you giving me? What? What are your bring for company?
And if they can justify it, and again, oh no,
whether they're good or not, they'll get them. They'll get
a pay increase. Like I've got a couple of guys.

(18:09):
I've had a couple of increases this year because they're very,
very good and they bend over backwards for my company.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
And you sound like a great employer, Wayne, But what
would you say? Because I know there are businesses out
there that operate this and it's fair enough too because
they're a business. But they have a pull of money
sitting there for an employee to get a pay rise,
and they are hoping to get the lowest percentage as possible.
Right They've got say twenty k there, and if the

(18:37):
employee manages to negotiate that extra twenty k for a
pay rise, it is sitting there ready to go. But
the boss is trying to negotiate as low as possible.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
So you see what.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
I'm saying that if you've got if you're a good
business and you've got a pull of money there and
you've got a really good employee, is it not morally
right to offer that employee the money that you've set
aside because they have been a good worker rather than
trying to get the best deal.

Speaker 9 (19:03):
I think it comes down to negotiation. It's like you
guys sitting there, if the dead b has got one
hundred thousand dollars sitting in there for the afternoon show,
do they just automatically give it to you? Or do
you have to go and ask them for it or suggest, hey,
that's probably a good idea. I can bring an X

(19:23):
Y Z and advertising revenue, so I justify getting one
hundred k. And if you can't do that, the bost
turns aroundings as well, well, we can find twenty five
or we can find fifty. And if you agree to that,
then you agree to it. It's a contract. And you

(19:46):
we've built the big boys and girls here. You know,
you sort of you if you think you're worth an
increase their task.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Do you think that might favor though? Just do you
think it might favor Wayne? People that are better at negotiating.

Speaker 9 (20:07):
Well generally speaking, And this is I know you don't
like generalizations, but people aren't exactly great and negotiating A
union members and they let the union do the negotiating
for them.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 9 (20:25):
Can they rely on that collective bargaining power, and that's
what a union does anyway, Like the only the only
real difference is that once the union negotiates its four
points pay percent pay increase, everybody knows about it.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, I'm gonna guess in the end to get paid more,
there has to be other people that want you, or
you are indispensable for the company you're working for.

Speaker 9 (20:56):
Well, not no, not even not even that it's your
good if you if you really put your art and
soul into a company and you you stand out in
the rain and finish it instead of sort of coming
back the next day when it's a couple of days later,
when it's fign that sort of thing, you get rewarded
for that. That most bosses and I know there are

(21:20):
exceptions and where are but most bosses can look at
their employees and say, wow, he she is really looking
after me. And like I've been in the position where
I've been on commission selling and I've had owners who

(21:44):
have desperately tried to cap my commission, not even not
even realizing that the only way I get I got
commission was by selling their product from them making money. Yeah,
they're short sighted, Wayne, You.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Make some good points thank you very much, and certainly
I agree on the negotiating skills thing. It is something
that most people should be schooling up on if you can.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
What do you think of people that get steamed at
work events and then exaggerate how much they're getting bot
are the worst of us?

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They are the worst of us. Right, we're going to
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more of your calls on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
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Speaker 3 (23:44):
Thank you very much, Raylan having a great discussion about
whether you should ever tell a colleague how much you earn.
There is a bill that is going through Parliament, looks
likely to pass. It's past its second reading. It's got
the backing of National and Labor alongside the three opposition parties.
But this bill will effectively end secrecy clauses and contracts
which prevent employees from discussing their salaries.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, that's right. So it's Camilla Bellich's Z Bill to
outlaw pay secrecy clauses. And my point on this is,
whatever they do, I don't think it's a good idea
to do this. But when they do, because it looks
like they're going to do, not start telling people what
you get paid.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Ye, stay mum when you're saving.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
The great thing about it is now you can say, look,
it's a contract. I can't say.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Gives you an easy out, which is a.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Good thing because no one should talk about what they
get paid. It's an insanely impolite thing to do. But
a lot of people disagree with me. It's a bit
different than the public service. Most jobs are advertised and
have huge salary ranges included, so you get a bit
of an idea. Up until the late eighties, there used
to be a book located in every office workplace which
listed the exact salary of every public servant in the country,

(24:51):
down to the last dollar. Well, I can kind of
understand that. Because you know your employee is us, please
provide different values. People provide different values to employees, says Allen.
I should a good person who provides less commercial value
to an organization be made to feel lesser because they
are told they earn less than their peer. Seems unfair
to put them in that situation. Employers should pay fear

(25:12):
wages based on the economic value to give they give
they bring to the company.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, which is performance pay?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Right pay? Welcome to show DNA, gentlemen.

Speaker 11 (25:21):
Yeah, I agree to this new bill. I reckon it's
a good idea. Why shouldn't it? You know, we talked
where amongst friends. If you want to better yourself, say
you think just as good as your friend or work
mate or whatever, you can go to your boss and say,
I believe that it keeps the employer honest as well
if he wants to retain his workers. I've been through it.

(25:42):
I've been around the block a few times. I've been
on a few industries. Right, we'll refer to painters for
an example. Right, You've got that painter working next to you,
and you're actually a better painter than him. You know
you are? Will we all know what you were better
at and better schools? You know, I don't know what
trade or profession you're in. Why should he be getting
more than you when you know he's better than him,

(26:03):
then you better than him. That is wrong the old days,
was it used to be a ward way? Do you
probably know about that if I was a carpenter, mechanic
or whatever, I got paid for my for my yeah,
for my whatever field our eyes, and I wanted a
bed in my better mind, Well you will go back
to like a modamat County. You've got advanced trade. So

(26:25):
each time you went to get that advanced trade or
whatever ticket you got, you've got another fifty cents or
dollar an hour, whatever it was. So if you wanted
to better yourself, you went and got that qualification. So
you're saving a dollar an hour what it might be.
So that's you times it by forty, so did forty
hours a week. It builds up your pay. No read,
it is a freedlow system. Soon as the contracts all
came in in two thousand and two, everything changed, and

(26:49):
that's why a lot of bosses now they want the
sect of sea going on. So you don't know what
your makes are working. And then you find the rose employer.
You're an honest employer, Why would you worry about it?
I don't care if you want to come to make
me get more money and say me as as I
talk about that painter while picking, you prove it if
you would do as good as workers me say, David
or Pete, whatever, I'll give you that, but until you

(27:12):
can prove that you're the same ability to assume, you're
not going to get it. Don't cut that I argument out.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
But what could you equally say? If you're better and
clearly better, you can go to your boss and say, look,
I'm much better, I'm painting more, I'm making you more money.
I want to get paid more.

Speaker 11 (27:28):
Yeah, but end of the day, we're all human beings.
Your talk and if you can talk too much, your mate, hey,
that's not bad. How come you're getting that? Well, he
might know that you have got better skills than he.
Quby knows that, But you.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Wouldn't you be insane? Peter Pete. If you're getting paid
more than the person that's paying beside you, and they
asked how much you get paid you, at that point
you may not know what they get paid, so you'd
at least hope that they offer what they get paid first.
You definitely don't want to tell someone what you get
paid if they're not willing to offer what they get
paid up. But if that if that is the case,
and then you say to them, well, I'm getting paid

(28:02):
this and it's less than and it's more than that person.
How does that help you? Because now that person resent
into you.

Speaker 11 (28:10):
No, you resent me. If you're a grown up person
and you're having a discussion about your how can I
get better pay?

Speaker 9 (28:17):
But we all do it.

Speaker 11 (28:17):
I've been around the block. I'm six to coming on retime,
and I've been around the block a few times there
and back, and we used to talk about it. And
on site. I worked on construction, so I was a
welder at the time. We all knew if I was
standing next to us the weld and you all got
the pain I read. It's a very good that keeps
that keeps this. I won't like you're saying this. What
should I say? You might dump me. It saves a

(28:39):
lot of the suck hoolding going on.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Mm hmm, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Advice should ask you to repeat that?

Speaker 12 (28:44):
Well?

Speaker 2 (28:44):
You mean you mean that that you're getting getting favored
because your buddies with the boss kind of situation that
is dead right, and that goes on.

Speaker 11 (28:53):
We you all know that. You find a lot of
these guys that are ringing up now though were employers.
They don't want it, and you find them they won't
You go like to the hospitals like their unions. The
police are all in the same salary. It's all out
there and open. So why can't you as a worker
being the same as a as a as a state
sector work. We all know the doctors and nurses what theyre.
You can go on the site and find that out.
What should be the difference between you're a sparky paint

(29:15):
to whatever you are. Why shouldn't you find out why
should there be a difference in paypicks? You're doing the
same job. So I said before, if you're a better
than he is, you can prove that. Well, then the
bostile party will say to you, well he's a better
than you, Well prove that. If you can do the
same with I, say Mike or me or draw John
or whatever, then you can say, well, you do the
same work as he in the day, I'll give the
same pain.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well, you know, you don't need to know anything to
do that. If you're good, be good and go and
ask for more money. And look, I mean on another side,
if you want to go to someone else, yeah, and
you know, because you're good, you want to go and
work somewhere else, And you don't have the clause in
your contract to say that you are you can't talk

(29:57):
about what you get paid. Then you go when you're
trying to get more money from someone else to get
to compete with your current employer.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
It's a great negotiating technic, absolutely that if you're a plumber,
you go to Dave with another company and hey, John,
Dave's off of me this, can you match it? And
if John can't match it, then you walk. That's the
way the world works, isn't it? Dog eat dog? Oh,
eight hundred eighty Thank you very much for your call,
Pete I eight hundred eighty ten eighties and number.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Course, And isn't there certain I know? How do I
put this? It's an employeer might have their reasons to
pay you more or less, judged on their particular criteria.

Speaker 9 (30:29):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
And you don't know what that clo criteria is. You
might stand there and think I'm an amazing I'm amazing
at my job and I'm credible, But then your management
might be going, well, actually you're not. You can're not
bringing much money in. Sometimes the people that are looking
at the whole picture can see how good you actually are. Yeah,
seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
They'd be very good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Due it is a quarter to two and we're asking
the question, should you ever tell your colleague how much
you earn? A divided response on the text machine, but
plenty of calls to get to as well. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
This is a good point from Craig. Guys. Reality is
most people don't get an opportunity to bargain their pay rate.
You're given a rate and that's it. I mean that
does have that That is the case for a lot
of people.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Paul, you reckon.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's nobody else's business.

Speaker 12 (31:24):
Hello, guys, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Very well? Mate?

Speaker 12 (31:28):
Good. I listened to that last guy, Pete renting and raving,
and I sort of wonder where he came from. But anyway,
I'm similar, age sixty four. I've worked in the trades,
basically engineering, spent most of my life mobile guys in

(31:50):
the workshop where I worked, we're on a less rate
than I was, reason being I was willing to go
out go and do a job and if it went
past past four, I stayed till I finished it, which
might be eight o'clock, might be nine o'clock. I'll be
ten o'clock. But did the job and I didn't have

(32:13):
to go back. You know, it went back to basics.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
How did you know you were getting paid more than
the other people, Paul.

Speaker 12 (32:22):
Well, the reason bank I got asked several times what
I was on because I had a vehicle and I
was always out and about and I got to ask
what I got paid, and I said, well, what are
you paid? You know, we were working the same place.
They told me, and I said, well, I'm on the
same as you, and I wasn't, but I never sat in.

(32:43):
I said, well, I'm on the same as you. It's
just so I worked long because I need the money.
But it's no one's business what you are in. I
had a vehicle. A few other guys had vehicles too.
They're only how to use them for work. When I
rate my contract the companies and every company I've worked for,

(33:07):
it was written and I could for personal use. I
never told anyone that, but I did. And it comes
down to what you're willing to put in. If it
was at the end of the day, if you're a
good worker and you're going to be relied on and
they know you're going to do the job and do
it properly, did.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
You go in and did you go to your employees
each time it was a negotiation round pay and say look,
I'm you know I'm doing all this, I'm worth more,
Pay me more.

Speaker 12 (33:40):
No, we had a yearly most places I've worked at
for the last twenty years, we had a yearly interview
and negotiate your pay. And they give you a contract,
you take it away, have a look at it, across
out shit you didn't like, and put on what you
wanted to put in, and negotiate a line in between.

(34:04):
And it always worked for me. I've never had an issue.
It's quite clean and straightforward and as no one else's
business as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
But thank you for your call, Paul appreciated. This whole
conversation is just a storm and a teacup. If you
ask me, says this text. If you don't want anyone
to know what you get paid, simply don't tell them.
Hiding mind. A contractual secrecy clause is just a slightly
more convenient way of saying no, different employees have different
values to their employees based on their performance and or experience,
and should be paid differently based on that. If you

(34:36):
get offender trying to bring this text up, disappear because
so many texts are coming through. If you get offended
that a colleague is getting paid more, then maybe you
need to improve your performance or engage in some growd
up negotiations with your employer to match your perceived value.
None of this is news. It has always been the
case and will continue to be regardless of the new bill.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Good text, but I still agree with you that having
that to be having the ability to stay I really
can't because some of my contract is an easy out
for a lot of people. People be asked that question
by their colleagues. That's a really awkward conversation to have
and just say, oh no, I don't really want to.
Oh no, I mean that's an awkward conversation to have.
It just puts you on the defensive. So nice easy,

(35:19):
I'm sorry, So my contract, I can't done deal. You know,
nobody can argue against that.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
It's just legislating what is a sensible culture. If you
ask me, and what I was always taught you don't
discuss money with people. You don't discuss how much things
are worth or how much people get paid, because over
time we've discovered that that leads to terrible outcomes. So,
as you say, Tyler, if everyone knows that you can't

(35:43):
say it, then it just disappears the conversation. I think
that's where it should be. If you think you're worth more,
go into bat for yourself and say that you're worth more. Yeah,
nicely said. And then if you don't get paid more,
and you're so amazing that you're getting underpaid, then there's
people that will want you. Yep.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
We've got to play some messages when we come back
a few more calls. It is tend to do.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Matty taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSV News Talks.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
There be it is seven to two and we're talking
about discussing your salarialthy co workers.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Is it ever a good idea? Other workers should be better?
That someone is being paid more shouldn't be a bit of
the being paying more than reality, it's the one getting
paid less that's bringing down the rate for everyone else.
Good point. That's a good point. If someone's not willing
into working there is not willing to negotiate hard enough
to bring the pay ups such that the employer has
a level because because it's amazing how things the way

(36:42):
people look at things, you know, when negotiations and stuff.
If you have a big number and then it comes
down to half of it, even if that number was
way bigger than you needed to start, that's the way
people think on things, right, race to the bottom. Yeah. Yeah,
So if someone's willing to do the job for very little,
that doesn't help everyone else a team down. Yeah, it's
a good points. Good staff should be paid enough to
stop them looking don't make the mask Colin. Yeah, well,

(37:04):
I mean that's a wise if you're an employer and
and you you you'd want to evaluate your employees as
best you can and play them, pay them such that
they're happy if they're a good employee, and pay them
what they're worth.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Absolutely, Yeah, Tim, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 13 (37:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (37:22):
I'm well, guys, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (37:24):
You reckon there should be transparency.

Speaker 14 (37:27):
Well I started off that way, and you know, if
the show goes you listen and here's where I'm at now.
If someone wants to know what you get paid, redirect
them to your employer, and that's what they're there for
to deal with that kind of thing. And if they
have the front to go and ask your boss, your employer,

(37:50):
what you get paid, maybe that might drop them into
a conversation and it gives them an opportunity to look
at pathways. You know, if you get paid more than
they do and they want to get up to where
you are. Kill see the opper tunity discussed pathways of
how to get there rather than just I want the

(38:12):
same as ease getting because I mean, an employer is
always going to ask, here, why do you deserve that? Well,
why should I pay you that? Well, you know, and
the important might have an idea for them, might want
them to do it bit of retraining or.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, well I'm not sure I feel about that though,
because I get what you're saying, but I don't know
if I would like Tyler's not happy with his job
and he goes to where bosses and says, Matt won't
tell me what he gets paid. You tell me, and
what's my pathway to get there? Yeah, And they'd have
to be honest with you, Tyler, you'll never be met He.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Well, what I mean if I asked the bosses that
they'd say, get out of my office, is that you
can't have that information.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, it's I mean, it's funny how many people assume
I'm getting paid at all. So thank you very much
for those people. Yeah, I can see. I can see
what people mean to a certain extent. But in the end,
what I personally believe that that a blanket out that

(39:17):
you don't you cannot discuss it is great for the culture.
And I just think when you open it up to
everyone talking about it and people being expected to talking
about it, people have wranging people about it. And then
when you don't say what you're paid, then the person
assumes they're getting paid more than you. But maybe they
just don't want to say it, maybe they're less, maybe
the same. Maybe the more they just don't want to
say it than you assume there's more, you get jealous,

(39:38):
you get resentful. I just think it all bad idea.
It just makes things miserable. I think work hard, back
yourself and ask for more money if you think you
deserve it.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
And just quickly can I say if you're not good
at negotiating. Get good at negotiating. That is such an
important life skill, not just in your work but in
general life. If you can't negotiate, read a book and
get good.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
As Richard Branson said, Train people so they can leave,
pay people so they don't wise news coming.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Up talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor
Adams Afternoons News Dogs.

Speaker 9 (40:12):
It be.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program
six past to thank you very much for listening. As always,
hope you having a good day. This is going to
be an interesting discussion. A real deep dive article in
the New Zealand Hero today about some high end fashion
houses over in Mala Milan as a city. They are
cracking down on some of these big fashion houses who
have been accused of using cheap Chinese labor, paying them

(40:38):
very poorly to produce these products that most of us
in the will pay a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
For disgusting behavior. Disgusting. So do you care who made
your designer goods, your flash your flash outfits, your designer furniture.
Do you care that the people that made it get
paid well? Or do you just want it because it's
got the label on it, and as long as the

(41:03):
quality remains, then that's all you care about.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
This is going to sound really heartless, and I believe
about some ethical considerations when it comes to my clothes,
but the number one thing for me is quality. So
I buy clothes that are going to last the distance.
Do I really care where they're made from? If I'm
being honest, I don't know if I do. I mean,
the perception for a lot of people is if they

(41:26):
are made in places like China or Thailand or Southeast
Asia or some of those other countries, that the quality
is very poor. But that's not always the case. So
if I buy a product that is going to last
the distance and I get value for money, then is
a secondary thing. If it's looking after its workers and
doing good things for the environment and all that other stuff,
then that's great, but that's a secondary issue.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Well what tissue are you wearing there, Tyler?

Speaker 3 (41:49):
This is one from Connor Connor, So Connor would be
I would say, I'm going to upset some companies here,
but I'd say Connor would be a step up from
helen Stein's, maybe just to step up from helen Stein's.
So this T shirt here costs me twenty three dollars,
So it's Connor the shop yep was the shop ah
okay one in Sylvia Park that I go to, right, and.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
They make good stuff. And you know where this stuff
is made? I know for Twitter.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
No, I don't wow, Actually I do now because I'm
just saving a wee. Look at the tep here and
this won't surprise anyone. For twenty three dollars, this was
made in China, right, So I kind of knew that
when I When you pay twenty three dollars for a
T shirt, you're kind enough, tyler.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
You've just said, you've said that you buy quality. Yeah,
and you and that's all you care about. And then
we investigate your T shirt that you're wearing. We find
out it's twenty three dollars, which has got to be
the cheapest T shirt I've ever seen in my life,
and it's made in China. I missed a step a minute.
What is what's so quality about that that T shirt

(42:53):
compared to say, what I'm wearing?

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Let me rephrase, because I missed an imported component here,
the quality to price ratio.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
So I missed the price.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
For twenty three dollars, I know that this T shirt
is going to last a lot longer than something I
buy from click On, for example.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
So you don't care who's made it, the conditions they
work on, whether the whether the designer is designing one
country making another, whatever. You don't care about anything as
long as it's gonna last a certain amount of time.
The quality, yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
And I'd say even more so for some of these
big brands like Georgio or Douar or if I said that, right,
Dior and what was the other one. Louis Vaton is
under the under the spotlight as well. So those brands,
I've got no personal affiliation or any sort of emotion
directed towards those brands. But then I look at some
of the former New Zealand brands and I take that

(43:46):
that hurts me a bit more, the likes of Katman
do when that was sold and went off shore, that
really annoyed me. Yeah, mac Pack, similar deal, because I
used to really love their products. Arguably they still do
similar products, but the very fact that they took it
away from New Zealand it lost that essence that I
cared about there.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
So Louis Vauton, right, is it's expensive stuff, right, I mean,
for me, it's yachting based, but you got a yacht
no but of it there. They're long time supported. The
America's Cup has made me think of Louis Vuton as
being America's Cup before anything else, because I don't buy
any Louis Vuitton stuff. But if Louis Vuton has been

(44:26):
selling It's It's items for as much as it does,
then I want them made in France, where they're from.
I don't want them smashed out in a different country
because what are you paying for you're paying I don't
know if you're going to pay that much. I guess
if you're going to pay that much as people pay
for Louis Vuton, it's nothing to do with the quality
of it. It's just so people can see that you've
got a Louis Vuitton bag. It's a way for people

(44:49):
to signal that they're wealthy.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Yeah, status thing, absolutely one.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
So I guess from Louis Vuton's perspective, it's it's it
starts to be a problem for them when when when
it gets out, if it gets out that they're paying
their work is not very much to make it, and
that the actual quality and you know that the the
cost of the materials to make it and such is
very low, and what you're paying for primarily is the brand.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Because the fascinating thing for me in this story was
there's been a lot of talk about fast fashion and
a lot of pushback about fast fashion, that people are
buying new T shirts or new pants every month because
the quality is going down, so they're trying to avoid it.
Very difficult to avoid fast fashion because most of the
people that make clothes in this country and overseas have
some ethical concerns around how they make their clothes. And

(45:38):
then you've got the lights of these guys. They were
effectively the last stop shop that if you were paying
four hundred dollars for a T shirt, you could expect
that that was going to be hand crafted and made
as you say, in Italy and you could rely on that.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
That's no longer the case. But with your quality thing,
what if it's made in China to the same specs
as if it had been made in Italy. So the
quality is saying, just the pay for the work workers
is lower? Good question. So this someone says, twenty three
bucks for a T shirt? Are you crazy? I buy

(46:12):
six dollar T shirts at the warehouse. I need black
and white, but hey they're great. There he go. So
that person thinks you're boogie for paying twenty three dollars.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Good value at the warehouse. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty Do you genuinely care where your clothes come from?
Does it upset you if they are made in China?
Do you try and avoid the fast fashion outlets?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
So to speak? Really keen to hear from you? Well,
this is an interesting text from Liz here. Hi, guys,
I really hated if it's a New Zealand designer and
I pay a huge amount of money and then find
out the one thousand dollars dress is made in a
country that has cheap labor.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, it's from Liz yep, very good point. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number of call?
Do you care where your clothes are made? Do you
take ethical considerations into account? It is thirteen past two.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
We just didn't want to walk around with your fancy
pants bag. So everyone goes, ooh he's wealthy. Do we've
a torn?

Speaker 9 (47:02):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons
call eight hundred eighty gen eighty US talk.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Savy, very good afternoon to you. We've asked question, do
you care where your clothes come from? An in depth
investigation and the authorities of Milan they're cracking down on
high end fashion houses like Louis Viaton Door many others
who are using allegedly a chip Chinese labor to make
these goods that are incredibly expensive.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
The sixth says, I've got a factory on Wahiki and
our cashmere shirt is three hundred and twenty five dollars.
We sell out rigidly and have a waiting list, so
sometimes hand finished, slow fashion that will last twenty years
as in demand. No, I don't want to speak on
the radio. Will get you, we'll keep you, we'll keetch.
But that sounds like we said if you on the
radio their texted, then we would have said the name
of your company.

Speaker 15 (47:51):
Mind.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
If they've got a waiting list, then they probably might
not be need anymore. Does that's the idea of you know,
they can't They can't make stuff as fast as they
can sell it. So it turns out that the real
Louis Vuitton bags are actually made in the same factory
as the Louis ones that you can the ones that
you can buy on Thailand. Oh wow, So the ones
that you know, so they're made in the same factory
as the fake ones. Yeah, that would make sense allegedly. Allegedly,

(48:15):
yeah don't. I don't know. I always think it's funny
when when you travel and you see someone loading their
baggage in and it's all matching Louis Vuitton. Yeah, and
I always think, well, why do I know that's Louis
Vuton And is it that great? Does it look that amazing?
Or do people have matching Louis Vuitton luggage so they
can go I've got matching Louis Vuitton luggage. It's a signal, right,

(48:36):
you've got some money.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Is that status real though? I mean it must be
for some people if you're paying that much for Louis Vuton. Hey,
now just quickly before we go to the phone calls.
You asked what I was wearing, and I embarrassingly said
a twenty three dollars shoot from cotton. When I said
I believed in quality you're wearing. I can see right
now beautiful Tommy.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Hill figure Jersey. Oh yeah, yeah, yep. Do you know
where that's made? I bought it in Paris. But it's
American brand.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Right, yep, yep, So you'd hope either made in America
or even Milan.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Okay, what else am I wearing here?

Speaker 8 (49:08):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Are in William's belt cheap and some Hugo Boss jeans
as well made far h So you've got some Eddie
dess On and what's that?

Speaker 2 (49:19):
What's that nice? What you got on?

Speaker 13 (49:20):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (49:20):
It's just a timey X. It's not a I could
see from over here. It's a Ratto. It is a
Ratto watch. So you you're trying to part me, paint
me as some kind of elitist because because I because
I'm willing to pay a little bit more for some
for some quality clothes that I know a sourced here.
Though before I was assumed that the shoot would have

(49:40):
been made in I don't know, either France or the US,
And then I look down here it is made in China.
They got you right. One hundred eighteen eighty is the
number to call cam Welcome to the show. You don't care, no.

Speaker 16 (49:55):
Not really, honestly, if you're going to spend heaps of
money on clothes for me, clothes, are you telling me
they stopped me? Getting arrested for being so I don't
really care what they look like or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Smart it's a great way to put them.

Speaker 16 (50:16):
Well, the work I do them, I'm hard on them.
So whilsould I spend more than ten bucks on a
T shirt or twenty bucks on a pair of shorts
or something.

Speaker 9 (50:26):
To get anyway?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
What work are you in? Can?

Speaker 16 (50:29):
You are farming? And other bits and papers?

Speaker 9 (50:32):
But yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Quality farming, We like farmers are famous for spending a
bit of money on quality quality gear tendant to protect
you in the elements.

Speaker 16 (50:42):
No, not this farmer mate.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
You wouldn't even go for a swanee.

Speaker 16 (50:47):
Nah nah that good quality Nah No, No, it's like, honestly,
I don't see a lot of difference. To be fair, well,
I'm saying that I haven't spent a lot of money
on good, good clothes in a long time. But it
all lasts the same amount of time. It doesn't matter
you know who's made it or where it's made. There
is the ethical question, which is my that's half. Yeah,

(51:11):
there's enough cost in the world. I don't need to
be spinning hats for money on cloyers, especially if it's.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
So. So if you if there was a situation cam
and there was two shirts beside each other, and one
was twice as much. Let's say, a cheap ass shirt
like Tyler buys twenty three dollars, and the other one
was forty six dollars. And the forty six dollars one
you knew had been made where people got paid well
and everything was happy, and the other one was made

(51:37):
somewhere with duous Julius sweat shop somewhere. Would you would
you still just go for the twenty three.

Speaker 16 (51:45):
Yeah, that's that's what I mean.

Speaker 17 (51:47):
Is that my kids working in the sweat shop, I'm
not care.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I mean, you got to thirty.

Speaker 16 (51:58):
They work on their farm, so the kind of yeah,
they kind of exploited. No, honestly, I'd still go for
the twenty three dollar one. I know that doesn't necessarily
make me a wonderful person, but I've got my own costs.
I've got a lot of.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
You know what it makes It makes you an honest person,
you know, because because a lot of people would pretend,
pretend these things and signal these things when actually when
when it comes to a crunch and they find this
with green products, I was talking to some people that
were you know that that we're running a product line,
and the product lines had this whole line on it

(52:37):
about recycling and stuff, and they had this big meeting
in the boardroom about we're going to get rid of
the recycling thing because actually, when you look into it's
kind of rubbish anyway, part of the pun and and
they thought, well, what will be the kickback when we
just remove that that this that this product is not
being recycled anymore. And they got absolutely zero kickback. And

(52:58):
when they investigated it, they realized, no matter what people say,
they think about a purchase for about seven seconds when
they're in a supermarket, they look at it and they
look at price. Yeah, that's future signaling, isn't it a
lot about? So no matter what people go around saying
they'll do and what they actually do is very different things.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to called you care where your clothes are made?
Have you tried to get out of the fast fashion race?

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Really?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Can ever chat with you? It is twenty two past two.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Matd Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news Talk sad be very.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
And we've asked the question do you care where your
clothes are made?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Milan?

Speaker 3 (53:42):
The authorities of Milan are coming down hard on some
of the biggest fashion houses in the world for allegedly
using cheap Chinese workers to make very expensive products.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Between a campafor and he was saying that he spends
very little on clothes, but as a farmer, farmers have
to spend a bit on their clothes, don't they. How much?
How much is one of those Kaiwaker jackets?

Speaker 13 (54:03):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Big money? One of those Scott Barrett numbers.

Speaker 10 (54:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Here here that's you pay a lot of money for
the jackets?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Are they made in New Zealand? Beautiful jackets? Because you
need a jacket like that just practically this is in fashion,
but some people in their work need to spend more
because you need to be outside and not get soaking
with You need a jacket. It's going to protect you
from the elements.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Right, Even a Swanye that's about four or five hundred bucks.
But I think Swan dry. Don't they guarantee it for life?
Good quality? I'll look into that. I wan one hundred
and eighty ten eighty c number.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
To call, and I assume that Kaiwaker is made in
New Zealand, but I could be entirely wrong. Here you
go two hund and eighty five dollars for a Parker
that looks like it keep pretty dry. It's a good deal. Rachel,
welcome for the show.

Speaker 18 (54:46):
Hi, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Now you are a good person to chat to. You
are a garment factory owner, is that right?

Speaker 18 (54:52):
Yes, that's right, that is correct, based in Auckland, and
it's changed a lot in the past or seven ten years.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
And what do you make, Rachel?

Speaker 18 (55:06):
We specialize in women, so we do all sorts. We
do work for other brands, like local fashion brands, and
we also have our own house brand. And the reason
we do that is because it's that's a way for
us to kind of make it slightly more accessible to
the general public. We know it's still not going to

(55:28):
be within like an achievable price range for a lot
of New Zealand, but that's the way where we kind
of do it direct without having to do like the
cost to wholesale to retail market because it's just astronomical
at this point.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Right, And so what do you think about the whole
ethical side of clothes. Do you think that there's people
that care. If you think there's a lot of people
that care, that there's a big part of the market
that cares, that close that.

Speaker 18 (55:59):
They have the market that cares. I mean, the thing
that it comes down to is cost. Though people will
say they care and like to think that they would
shop in a way it means they care, but in
intentions versus where they're actually spending their money is very,
very different. We definitely have a good kind of customer

(56:22):
base of people who shoppen very ethically and who want
to want to support brands. And I always kind of say,
that's if you think about it in a way of
what you want to be paid for your own hourly work,
why is it okay to put your money towards something

(56:42):
that's lesser than that. Yeah, especially when you're looking at
what factor workers in China or in Bangladesh or around
the world, what they're going to be paid. It's it's
just quite disgusting.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
What's your what's the name of your your company? Rachel
if you don't mind.

Speaker 18 (56:59):
Me use we are so we have Rachel Mills, which
is the name of our brand. We do kind of
lots of Marino T shirts kind of just every day
pieces that should be simple enough to sell. And then
we also operate under our Intarpling House, which is where
we manufacture for other brands as well.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Wow oh yeah, good on you just on the you know,
the price versus quality versus the ethical considerations, it's the
best way to change consumer behavior because it seems hopefully
to be happening in a small way. Is that quality
situation that if people can buy a piece of clothing
that they know is going to last the distance, then

(57:39):
that plays into the price aspect as well, right that
if you buy a pair of a pair of Chino's
that wears out after two washes, then that's not money
well spent.

Speaker 18 (57:49):
Yeah, cost areware And that is a big kind of
part of what we do is through our customers, we're
trying to educate as well. So whether you can get
I don't know, keen or it's probably even like twenty
thirty times aware out of something that's going to cost
you five times as much. And it was actually interesting

(58:10):
I did a lot of I was just in Sydney
over the weekend doing just a lot of second hand
shopping and it was every second piece I was looking
at was like a Zara or a machine or something
that was very cheap, so like five dollars ten dollar
tops kind of thing, and they're just looking awful on
the shells, and you can tell they've probably only been
worn about twice and they already look absolutely disgusting, So

(58:32):
no one's going to buy them. Even promise you can
hand store for two dollars.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I'm just I'm looking at you,
looking at your website here, and you're not You're not
astronomically expensive. I'm looking at the DC mid swim brief black.
You look good on that.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (58:49):
So the reason we're not extensive is because we are
there in consumer. If we wish a wholesale that would
basically double our prices, and that's the right.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yes.

Speaker 18 (58:58):
Of course, new ZLMA brands will be following that wholesale
retail model, and that's what would completely blow out our prices.
So we've just had to be very shrict in that,
knowing that we're not going to grow our brand as quickly,
but it means we can kind of reach people ourselves

(59:19):
and not charge them twice as much.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
So I'm looking at you, so it goes your weekly
orders close in a certain amount of time. Is that
because you have to make the stuff or is that that?

Speaker 18 (59:28):
Yeah, so that's another angle that we do. We make
stock of our pieces that are easily sold once that
we know we're going to sell, and then everything else
we make to order. So we follow a weekly schedule.
We take weekly orders that close on a Tuesday, and
then we spend the next seven days making them. So
it's really not a huge amount of time, and it
means you can kind of this also plays into Catacosta

(59:50):
where and making sure our customer's really happy with what
they've got because we can customize it to them and
make sure that it's something that they're going to be
really really happy with. And there's almost like an aspect
of because they've initiated to make process, there's a bit
more ownership taken right from the beginning in terms of
actually having something created and having it out in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Yeah, that's cool. So there's a lot of pressure on
people eight hours, twenty eight minutes and thirty one seconds
before the orders closed this week. Is it a bit
of a Is it a bit of a It must
be interesting week to week because if you have to
make them then some weeks would be insanely busy.

Speaker 18 (01:00:29):
Yeah, so it really does fluctuate, and that's another reason
why we have the two different sides to our business.
So it means we can kind of take on as
much or as little work on the other side as
we need. We've got a team of four machinists, so
even factory wise, in terms of factories and the size
of factories in Auckland, we're quite small, but there's not

(01:00:49):
really many left who would have kind of fifty machinists,
which is what we used to be years and years ago.
So it's dealing with a team of four machinists who
kind of to and fro across different sides of the
business depending on what our needs are each week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
And how I mean, if you don't mind asking how
are you going? Because where we hear all we hear
is how hard it is, and.

Speaker 18 (01:01:13):
It is hard, right, Yeah, this year in particular has
probably been the hardest, but it is feeling on its
way back up now. I think it's we've seen a
big hit and there's so many other things that have
come into play in the last kind of two to
three years post COVID with what's happening internationally with stopped

(01:01:34):
being made and over ordered when there was an online
boom during COVID, and it also breaks down to us
as well. We're at the very end of it and
then everyone playing catch up and trying to sell off
their sales stocks because they bought so much during COVID. Yeah,
it's been a very very funny past kind of twelve
months for us. But I think there's it feels like

(01:01:56):
it's on its way back up now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Well, good on your Rachel, keep fighting the good fight.
And look, I won't complicate. I won't compliment what you're
selling because I imagine that might put people off because
you know, I'm not known for my fantastic fashion taste.

Speaker 18 (01:02:10):
But are you not good enough care of brief?

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Yeah, welcommend for a fitting Rachel, so you're offer that service,
So there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Okay, well I've got I got eight hours, twenty six
minutes and twenty eight seconds to decide. Yeah, Hey, thank
you so much for you call Rachel, and yes, I say,
good on you. Yeah, fighting the good fight. Yeah, all
the best.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Rachel'll manufacturing a good stuff. Go check her out on
Rachel Mills dot co dot n Z.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Love that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call? Do you care where your clothes come from?
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Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Thank you very much, Raylean, having good discussion about fast
fashion or do you care where your clothes come from?
Milan authorities are clamping down on a lot of the
big fashion houses over there, some of the biggest in
the world, Louis Verton, Dior among many others, saying that
they use cheap Chinese labor to produce their goods.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Well, Kaywaker, that's made and guess what, Kaiwaker. Well, funny
there there you go. Good to know though, I supply
Rachel and fabric. She's a great person. She's a good cat.
That's for Matt. She certainly seemed it. Yeah, well people
are very you know what, go Rachel. Do you know
what people like in New Zealand as someone that's trying
to do something, Yeah, you know, trying to create a business.

(01:04:36):
Get on with that, positive about it.

Speaker 14 (01:04:39):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
We need to celebrate people like Rachel Wore. Yeah, one
hundred percent. Rachel Mills dot Co doon in zed.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
You've got eight hours and twenty minutes to go before
the weekly audio order is up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Eight hours, twenty one minutes and twenty five seconds. Tyler, Yeah,
go some poor good people like Rachel. Is that Cole's Marino.
Cole's Marino. I might be saying that wrong, but I
get them to make all my Tea's shirts local and
made to fit eighty dollars each and they last for
bloody ages. Says Phil Love that Louise used to work

(01:05:11):
in the fish and industry.

Speaker 19 (01:05:13):
I digest, and I left for the exact reasons that
you're debating today. I used to work for retailers in
the UK and suppliers of some of the big retailers
in the world like Warmat and came out over here.
Spent a lot of time traveling around different parts of
the world, going to various factories. Yeah, and I think

(01:05:35):
you know there's actually, you know, very little different sometimes
from a product that you may be buying from some
of the faas fashion retailers versus some of the premium
international brands that we've been discussing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
When you went over and you saw these these so
you saw some of the manufacturing in different countries because
we hear a lot about it. What other conditions actually
like in your experience? Firsteand very fair.

Speaker 19 (01:06:05):
Generally, if you buy from a reputable high street retailer,
their reputation is obviously very important to them. So, particularly
in the UK and Europe where I was from, and
also the US markets where we were also exporting to,
there are a lot of quite stringent regulations around manufacturing
standards and also the ethical standards when it comes to

(01:06:27):
employing people in the working conditions. So if retailers are
found to be breaching those then obviously that's going to
damage their reputation. But nonetheless, you know that the standards
are very different to what we experience in our home world.
But I mean we're talking about apparel clothing. But I
also worked for cosmetics retailers, and some of the standards

(01:06:49):
in Europe to retail a cosmetic product were incredibly high,
very very tough. Yet we could still supply a lipstick,
for example, to the likes of a high street SaaS
fashion retailer and they would sell it for a couple
of dollars. They would still make their forty to fifty
percent markup. We would still make our healthy margin, and

(01:07:12):
everyone else down the supply chain. So you know, it
is possible to make products at quite low costs that make,
you know, fit with the standards. So I mean there's
questions there are the standards too low or you know,
have we just got very good at manufacturing large quantities
for very low prices, particularly when you're going over to China.

(01:07:33):
So you know what I'm trying to say there is
if the likes of a Kmat, for example, can sell
a cosmetic product or a T shirt for you know,
less than ten bucks, then you know, so can the
likes of there and some of the big fashion houses
as well. We're playing a lot for brands. We're paying
a lot for packaging. My decision came to leave the

(01:07:55):
industry when I actually was fed up a seeing container
after container arriving with packaging products that I knew were
going to end up in landfill. So the environmental impact
of buying fast fashion is absolute.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
It isn't it insane that we will pay a lot for
packaging that we just throw out? But we do. You know,
I just bought my son and I paid recently, and
I was thinking this is beautiful packaging, and then wow,
look at this packaging it's amazing, then throw it out immediately.

Speaker 19 (01:08:22):
I would say that ninety of the cost on a lipstick,
for example, is the actual wow componentry interesting on apparel,
you know, clothing, there is obviously a lot of plastic packaging,
you know, materials that are used in transit to protect
the garments when they're coming overseas. You know that there

(01:08:44):
is a lot of cost. And I found that very
rarely were the types of products that we were manufacturing
the biggest element of the cost. It was mostly packaging.

Speaker 20 (01:08:57):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
What I found really interesting recently is with China, and
the Prime Minister was talking about this when he was
over there, that you know, a new deal for New
Zealand to sell cosmetic into China. China insists. In China,
they insist by regulation that the cosmetics are tested on animals,
but you know they have to be they won't sell them.

(01:09:19):
And they see tested on animals, as opposed to in Europe,
in New Zealand, Australia, America that the pushes did not
test them on animals. There's a different way of looking
at things.

Speaker 19 (01:09:32):
It's fascinating and you know, as I said, I spent
a lot of time overseas on the manufacturers we used,
you know, there were very good ethical standards. We didn't
test on animals, and you know, the products that we
manufactured were of a sufficient quality to be safe and

(01:09:53):
another adequate quality. I would say, you know, you wouldn't
be getting two years out of a T shirt. It
probably looking faded after six months. But I know that,
you know, people were well cared for as far as
far as standards went.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Anyway, So when you say well cared for working hours
that would we would we would think was acceptable and
being paid a wage that means they could leave live
a life with some kind of meaning.

Speaker 9 (01:10:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:10:16):
Yeah, generally, generally I lived, you know, in similar conditions
when I was over in these factories for for most
of the time, I would have a bit of extra
time off at the weekend and be upgraded to what
I would just call it a western standard hotel, more
in tune with what I was used to. But generally,
you know, they ate well. The factories, we are conditioned.

(01:10:39):
You know, they were working reasonable hours. There were good
quality dormitories. I'm not saying case everywhere, yeah, but certainly
you would.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Only deal with those people. So there was a there
was an incentive for the factories to work, to be
set up in such a way that you were willing
to do business with them.

Speaker 9 (01:10:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Interestingly enough, now that you've left the industry, you only
buy from op shops.

Speaker 19 (01:11:02):
Zichy, I do, yes, I do, yeah, mainly because of
the environmental impact. I wouldn't say I'm a massive but
having insight in terms of the cost spased, what I'm
actually paying for versus what I'm getting when I buy
it off the shelf, and the amount of packaging waste
that used to really upset me. I actually reuse and

(01:11:23):
recycle as much as I can. Obviously, there's situations where
you know you do need to go and buy new.
I wish I could say I could afford to buy
from the likes of Rachel and I would always encourage
everyone to buy local, buy from local factories, you know,
if you can. But you know, sometimes I will have
to go to the high street and make sensible purchases.

(01:11:46):
But it's very rare. I would say ninety percent of
my closing now is op shot brought.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Yeah, thank you so much for you call Louise esinating
to chat with you. Very very interesting, jeez. It is a.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Quarter to three big with more of your calls. Oh,
one hundred and eighty, teen eighty is the number of call?
Are you still buying fast fishing? Are you trying to
get out of it? Do you key where your clothes
come from?

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Bacon mis a fresh take on talk back.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say
on eight hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
There's twelve to three. A lot of people sharing a
lot of love for the op shops, op shops and
expensive areas like Milford excellent shopping quality for peanuts and
money goes to vulnerable people or SPCA when when that's
pretty good? Yeah? Would you buy wife fronts from an
up shop? All those sort of old long white front

(01:12:37):
granddad and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
I'd want to try them on first to make sure
the fit is right. But yeah, I gave it will.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yeah, I've got a mate that buys exclusively everything. I
judge them for it. That's a bold move. Yeah, Graham,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (01:12:51):
Hey Tyler, please let me know which ones you've tried
on first. I'm not going to go to that shop.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Yeah, wise man, wise, Man, I put them back on
the rack, which I know I shouldn't do, so I
apologize to the op shop.

Speaker 15 (01:13:02):
Yeah, well done, a similar to that last caller. There
is another way of looking at this. The issue with
work being done overseas is that the standard that we
put to our own work environment is very it's hard
to put that onto another country. So having been or

(01:13:26):
having a look through some of the Chinese manufacturing facilities,
their standard of living for their workers is a hell
of a lot better than those that don't have the
opportunity to work in the factory and are just living
out in the fields trying to exist, so that there
is quite a reasonable standard of workplace environment for those
that are working in the factories. So there's that. Then

(01:13:50):
there's also the fact that their economy of scale also
helps to bring down their price, their manufacturing price, whereas
they're probably doing a thousand units in a morning, whereas
other places around the world, especially in New Zealand, may
only be doing ten to one hundred. So that's an
the reason that brings their price down. So our standard

(01:14:11):
of living and our values that we're trying to put
on a product that we buy doesn't necessarily discount that
same set of values being put on a product we
buy from another country.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Is there a minimum that you would accept before you
bought something like an item of clothing. Was there a
minimum standard that these factories are held to.

Speaker 15 (01:14:35):
Well, nobody's going to know when you're buying off, buying
off the shelf where it's actually come from. But I
was just talking about the concept in general. And we've
also got to look at the way things change demographically
as well. And I always looked at the example of
Dilma Dilma t Now they had a policy in which

(01:14:56):
all of the people working in the fields had to
be had to have a standard of living, but also
that their families were looked after. So they set up
universities and schools and hospitals and all sorts of care
for the people that are working in the fields. But
they did themselves out of a workforce because as the

(01:15:16):
children of the workers grew up and went through the universities,
they all left overseas for better opportunities. So in the
end they had none of their own people left to
work in the tea fields, and they had to bring
in people from Bangladesh.

Speaker 9 (01:15:29):
So we've got to work.

Speaker 15 (01:15:32):
Think globally rather than just our own our own little
ecosystem here, and how our decisions are affecting the rest
of the world musical. It's not executive superloards, so we're
not going to affect too many people, but just the
concept of it, trying to put our own values on
someone else. And at the end of the day, you
might pay one hundred and fifty bucks for a ten

(01:15:54):
dollar T shirt, but it's probably made in the same
factory anyhow.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Yeah, well, thank you for your cool Graham. Yep, it's
a good point, same as the previous caller. That's the
previous before this caller. I care where my clothes come from.
I favor good quality fabrics and prefer secondhand, occasionally shop,
but more so clothes swaps. Komu has a massive clothes
swap coming up in a few weeks time, which raises
funds for Parent North.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
It's a win win, love that, Thank you very much. Right,
we're going to play some messages, but when we come back,
we'll take a few more of your calls. Oh wait,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 14 (01:16:26):
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Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
TALKSB News Talks THEREB. It is five to three. Some
good texts coming through it on nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
I'm not reading that one out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
You shouldn't read that one out. It's very funny to
read though. Hey guys, I'm a tailor with a seamstress background.
Every day I hear from customers that the cost of
alterations is more than the price of clothes new clothes
that they want to alter.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
I was watching this documentary and it was about, you know,
a town and a rural town in New Zealand back
in the day, and you'd order your shoes and then
you'd order your suit and come six weeks later and
then you just fix that for the rest of your life. Yeah,
I love this. This was around eighteen ninety, so that
was that. Yeah, your shoes and your suit your one

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your one outfit, and that was it. You're sorted life.
But it had to be fixed. Yeah, but good luck
fixing your twenty three dollars T shirt there, Like you're
going to throw that out as soon as it gets
a hole in it, right, quite fond.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Of this T shirt we get right for twenty three bucks,
I can go by another couple.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Do you die? Darn your sock styler. When was the
last time you went to a seamstress? Um? Oh well
I was. I mean regularly because I've got an ailment
called long tour. So short legs is that a real thing?
Not really? But my legs are as long as they
should be, So I have to get mate, I have

(01:17:54):
to get my jeans taken up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Generally speaking, well, god on people like you met. You're
keeping this economy going and doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
It's amazing. I'm over six foot with how short my
legs are.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Right coming up after three o'clock, we won't to have
a chat to you about terrestrial TV on the back
of the Sky deal sky TV deal taking over three
for one dollar. We want to have a chat to
you about what shows you actually still watch on good
old terrestrial TV.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Yeah, what do you think about this? What do you
think of the state of television in New Zealand and
twenty twenty five?

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Oh weight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. You can also text through nine to
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Fantastic to have your company. As always, we will see
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Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Your new homes are insateful and entertaining. Talk It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevvy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Welcome back into the show. Great to have your company.
As always, this is going to be a great discussion
news this morning. Sky TV is buying financially troubled TV
three for just one dollar, in a seismic media move
that pits it in a new battle royale with.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
TV in Z. I love that that law, that rule
that you have to have at least one dollar on
the that it always sounds so amusing. You got stuff
selling for one dollar, you got TV three selling for
one dollar. Yeah, and it's more complicated than that. But
when you're selling for one dollar, you're not necessarily in
the most healthy of positions.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Yeah, it sounds like a good deal, but there, as
you say, there's a lot more to it. So Sky
will take all of the TV three, T three now
Rather and Eden brands and platforms officially as of Friday
next week, that's August. The first some one hundred and
thirty three Slash Warner Brothers Discovery staff will move under
the Sky umbrella, and as it stands now, the three
Boss Juliet Peterson is still in charge, reporting to Sky

(01:19:43):
chief executive Sophie Maloney. So it is a big move
from Sky, and it's a big move for Warner Brothers
to get out of this country and say you can
have the three operation and brand for one dollar. But
there's big questions around terrestrial TV.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Yeah, absolutely, What does TV three mean to you in
twenty twenty five, eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty. It
obviously has a great history, some fantastic shows. It's been
around for a very very long time. Do you watch it?
Do you still watch terrestrial television? And if so, weird
do you watch it? And are you worried whe terrestrial
television is going? What are some of the great TV
shows that are still out there and being made that

(01:20:17):
would drag you onto terrestrial Obviously, live is a big
thing for terrestrial television, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Absolutely if there's a big event, terrestrial TV has got
the advantage there when it's a live situation that they
can have people on the ground arguably for a new situation.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
So you got the news people sitting on couches talking
about stuff. Yeah, but yeah, what's your TV experience? Because
I can't even I don't have an aeriel at my house,
so everything is everything as my TV's plugged into the wall,
it's plumbed in, I've got the remote. Everything comes through
the Internet connection. So if I want to go to

(01:20:56):
terrestrial television, it's not like the old days for me,
where you just press on and then it's playing and
then you flick up from one to three. I don't
have that anymore. If I want to go to terrestrial television,
as it were, I have to go over to the
freeview APPP and do that, and it's a little bit down.
It's past my sports apps, it's past my Sky app.
I have to go past Sky. You have to go

(01:21:17):
about past MLB TV. I have to go. I have
to go past Netflix. There's a lot of options before
Apple TV. There's a lot of stuff that I'm flicking past.
But my understanding is that there is a lot of
value in being number three on the dial still that
a lot of people will not move away from those
one two threes. Yep. In terms of things, a lot

(01:21:39):
of people won't even move away from the one. No. No,
I will a lot of value to Sky to have
that that three on the box.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Like you I've got to go through the Internet to
watch terrestrial TV. I usually go through the laptop on
TV and D plus or three now, but every now
and again, i'd say maybe once a week, once a fortnight,
I'll go back to terrestrial TV because I get this,
this paradox of choice situation, the over choice that I
go through Netflix, I go through Prime Video, and I

(01:22:08):
am so overwhelmed with how many things there are to
watch that it does my head in and I think
I can't be bothered even deciding. And I know that
sounds like a place of privilege, and I suppose it is.
But then I'd say, I just want someone else to
do the content program for me. So I'll flick on
terrestrial TV, and I'm hoping, against hope that there's a
show about houses on there, because I love those shows.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Yes, so my mother and laws run at my house
and she's a big fan of The Chase Right Great show,
so she always puts the Chase on, and I quite
liked it. The other day. I hadn't watched to restrial
television for a long time, but the ads, I was like,
this is great. You watch a bit, You're gonna do something. Yep,
Dinner you mess around, you talk to people. There's actually
there's actually something quite good. I know what you're saying.
It's on at a certain time. You know, it's very

(01:22:52):
old school, it is, but there's something there's something quite
comforting about it. It is that just for Rea, it
just sort of rolls on.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Yeah, having that five minutes to check to your family
members before the final chase is on, there's something really
nice about that. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you still watch terrestrial TV,
either TV and Z or three. Love to hear from you.
What do you watch and why do you stick with
it when there's so many other options available now?

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Yeah? And what do you think about this wide to deal?
What do you think to Sky has bought and taken
on TV three?

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Yeah, and what are the opportunities for Sky? Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Very shortly, we're going to be chatting to Phil Smith.
He's the owner of Great Southern Television and he has
shows on TV and Z, TV three and Sky right now,
so he's a good man to chat to and he
is coming up. It is eleven PASS three.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
New Stalk zb very good afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
You we are talking about this Sky TV deal buying
the three News brand, or not the three News but
the three brand for one dollar taking ownership Friday, August
the first. It is a big move in the media sphere.
And keen to hear from you on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on whether you still watch terrestrial TV
and what this could mean?

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Logan still does I still have a forty year old
national quintracks. I still periodically us with a free view receiver.
Cannot do away with my TV, says Logan.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Good on your Logan right so standing by right now
we have Phil Smith. He is the owner of Great
Southern Television. He currently has right now shows on TV
and S. He had TV three, Sky, Netflix and the BBC.
So a very very good person to chat to.

Speaker 14 (01:24:27):
Phil.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Very good afternoon to you, great to chat.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
How's it going fantastic? Is this a good move from Sky?
And what do they get out of taking over three?

Speaker 17 (01:24:39):
Is this good news?

Speaker 13 (01:24:41):
Well?

Speaker 17 (01:24:41):
Tyler and Matt, I'll say I was only happier watching
the last eight seconds of the Warriors on Sunday nights
when I heard it. Yeah, when I heard it this morning.
I was thrilled, and I was thrilled for basically, you know,
the consolidation of our media sector that's just had so
much turmoil and uncertainty and to see such a clever

(01:25:05):
move VIINGNAU was just wonderful. But most of all thrilled
for the viewer because you know, it's New Zealand. We've
now got two powerful New Zealand owned media companies. They're
going to go head to head, but it's going to
be great, great for content, and just that absolute certainty
that TV three is around to give great the great

(01:25:27):
viewing experience to key we viewers well into the future.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Now, all we've heard for years is how much TV
three is losing. How can Sky make money from them
if others have failed.

Speaker 17 (01:25:39):
Well, it's actually not good. It's going to be a challenge,
but not that difficult because they can absorb so many
costs into their system, their transmission costs, their advertising sales costs.
They can bring so much together, so it really is
an absolutely natural marriage. Warner Brothers Discovery have delivered them

(01:26:01):
a palette of wonderful content and ongoing dehills. It hasn't
been talked about, but it is the three letter word,
which is HBO, which I imagine could be packaged into
the steal, but overall just just a deal of wonderful synergy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
And what does this mean for three and the people
that work there currently.

Speaker 17 (01:26:25):
Well, at the moment, like it's you can see that
it's pretty much steady as she goes because they're all
complementary services. So you've got you know, TV three and
continue as the three to work. I've got three now
which has been increasing his audience significantly, and you know,
the team at three over the last year have done

(01:26:46):
a wonderful job. And then you've got Sky's supplementary service
and so overall the it's a broad template and so
for Sky they've now got a really exciting offering to
take out the advertising market.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
So clearly Sky backed themselves fail to have the resources
to take on TV and Z. That's that's long been
king in terrestrial TV in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Part And what was that you're saying?

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Sky TV believes it's got the resources to take on
the likes of TV.

Speaker 17 (01:27:16):
And Z absolutely well, Sky obviously being publicly listed and
you know, it's performed wonderfully over the last you know,
three years. They have more than enough pash resources to
ensure that three carries on and it's stayed, and they
build that brand, and they can bring across a lot
of their viewership, you know, in terms of you know,

(01:27:39):
we could have a Friday night with a bit of
rugby Saturday, a bit of rugby Sunday League match. So
overall a guy can bring across a lot of its
resources and plug it into three. There will be an
interesting debate about what happens to Neon and two three now,
but you know, one's an ava which has advertisment supported,

(01:28:00):
which is what three dolls, and the other is obviously subscriber.
So at the moment, I think they'll remain different and
the viewers will be able to access both of them.
But for Sky, a really interesting package that they'll be
able to take out to the market.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Now, you've made a lot of shows over the years
and you currently have got shows on three, You've got
TV and Z, Sky, BBC, Netflix. What does this mean
for the for the TV industry and the from a
production perspective? Will there be more shows made in New Zealand?

Speaker 17 (01:28:33):
Well, I think Sophie Maloney today said that she's really
strongly committed to the output of New Zealand content. And
you know Sky has been putting its tone in the
water in terms of neon and making local content. You know,
one downside, you can say, well, there's one less media
player in the market, but at the same time that

(01:28:53):
media player has now got a lot more cash resource
to to finance some fund local content. And I think
that you'll see you'll see both TV three and Sky
continuing on their programming paths in terms of of picking
up local content and getting it out to the news
and audiences.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
And what's in it for me, Phil as a punter
sitting at home, sitting my fat ass down on my
couch and turning my TV on, what's in this for me?

Speaker 17 (01:29:24):
Well, I think I think you're going to see a
better TV three. I think they're going to have a
lot more content available and therefore it's going to create
more competition with TV And said, I mean this is
a bitter sweet for TV and said today, you know
they've got obviously they want to have an active market
advertising market, so that's good for them because it's competitive.

(01:29:45):
At the same time they've now got a genuine competitor.
But for you, it means that you'll probably see better
shows on three. You might see a bit of that
that premium content on the leak across onto TV three.
You'll see better sport on TV three. They're committed to
supporting the news, which stuff has done a great job
over over the past year, you know, just keeping it

(01:30:07):
on air. It is a tribute to everyone. It's three
over the last year that they have actually kept the
place going on a shoe string down three hundred stuff
gone down to one hundred and thirty. So this is
a real victory day for them, and it just means Matt,
you'll see I think you'll see better shows. I think
the network will a bit more polished and you'll still

(01:30:30):
have a digital offerings.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Are they still in that leak or on Flower Street
or have they moved out?

Speaker 17 (01:30:36):
Well, you know, they've always been like the foster kid,
haven't they. I think they're finally found a home, you know,
and for old TV three, you know, they really are
our pirates and our battlers, and they do a great job.
But where they end up being housed in the end,
I mean, obviously they'll be part of Sky's operation and

(01:30:57):
they'll be housed summer at Sky, but in the interim
they are doing. They are out of Flower Street. They're
out of Flower Street on Friday. So where they go,
they'll they'll walk, and they have got officers in moving
to for an interim period, I believe in then I'd

(01:31:17):
say that the transition will begin.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Forty days in the nights and then they'll end up
out in Penrose probably. Hey, thank you so much.

Speaker 17 (01:31:25):
No, yeah, I mean the offices downtown as well, so
who knows, they'll they'll be juggling, but but yeah, it's
a home. It's good for viewers, and yeah, everyone's pretty excited.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
Yeah, love it. Feel great to chat with you and
get your expertise. Will catch up again soon.

Speaker 17 (01:31:41):
Okay, cheers guys.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
That is thanks mate. That is Phil Smith, owner of
Great Southern Television. Incredibly optimistic and made me optimistic having
a chat with him. But keen to get your views. Oh,
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel
about the Sky TV deal taking over three? Do you
still watch linear TV? And if you do, what do
you watch and what do you want to see on
the newly owned TV three network.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
About four hundred people just texted NASCAR bring it and
the Gizzy it is twenty two PUS.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
Three Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons cool oh eight
hundred eighty eighty on Youth Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
News Talks ZEDB, we are talking about Sky TV buy
in the three network, but ken to have a chat
with you if you still watch linear TV, what do
you watch and why do you love it? And what
do you want to see from this new deal? There
is potential for new local programming to be made O
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty simon your thoughts
on this?

Speaker 8 (01:32:39):
Yeah, good and then guys and thanks for having around
the show. And I did read that there's a possibility
of this happening a month or so ago, so yeah,
it was was not too surprised. But yeah, I'm optimistically
looking forward to to something decent happening here. And I
guess with the with the TV thrigs having the welf
Sky and they're having the three channels of Sky open

(01:33:01):
Eden and TV three, it'd be nice to see one
of them that may maybe go to a paid content
where there's no adverts, would be interesting. And yeah, that
could be quite interesting. I know that Foxtel and TV
at Foxtel TV in Australia, did the acredinent of Sky
did something where you could pick four of their channels

(01:33:21):
and it was twenty twenty two dollars a month or
something like that, and you could pick four of the
channels and that's where you paid. So if you're only
interested in the news, you might get seen in BBC
or something like that and you could do that. So yeah,
that would be something that Sky.

Speaker 17 (01:33:33):
Could do here.

Speaker 8 (01:33:35):
As for watching lenear TV, I don't really watch it
only the news at night. I just stick it on
in the background when I'm clearing emails or something like that,
and I just go through and sect the something interesting.
So yeah, maybe TV three could be rebranded or renamed
Sky three or three Sky or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Now does the TV three brand mean anything to use Simon.

Speaker 8 (01:33:58):
I'm old enough to remember when it first started and
John John hawksby reading the news, so I'm not I'm
not fussed. Yeah, I'll just hope something over the next
six five months, something good comes out of it. We
get a bit better content, whether it's more American stuff
coming in. But yeah, certainly watching it on demand. We've

(01:34:19):
got a smart TV so it's not connected to the antenna.
It's connected to the internet, so we're certainly not watching
treustrial TV. The cost of terrestrial TV very expensive having
all those transmitters around. It's you know, if they did
away with it then yeah, it'd be interesting to see

(01:34:41):
what population uses to trustal TV now with it, it's
probably getting up there towards the ninety percent being streamed.
So yeah, that cost, once it gets to a certain amount,
that cost of terrestal TV could all must be decommissioned.
That I went from analog to digital some years back,
but yeah, it's got to come to a time and

(01:35:02):
that's got to be decommissioned.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
Just on the freeview side of things though, Simon, do
you access the at on You know fairly regularly that
you go back to the traditional one, two, and three,
arguably because you might be overwhelmed with choice or you
can't decide what you want to watch, so you put
on those traditional channels that are programmed for you.

Speaker 8 (01:35:23):
There's yeah, there's a few programs like the News that
I'll watch one News or like the Repair Shop on
a Friday night at seven thirty on Channel one. So
there's a few programs that I'll watch or if I'm
at home and I can't be bothered, or I'm clearing
emails and just want thing that just have on the
background to distract me. I'll turn it on. I'll just
go through and just see what's there. I've just got

(01:35:44):
it on that at the moment, and I see on
sky Open, isn't it a new air traffic control program or.

Speaker 15 (01:35:49):
Something like that?

Speaker 8 (01:35:50):
So I might put that on just to keep me
entertained while I'm playing emails or doing something else. So, yeah,
but there's only probably two or three four programs each
week that I watch, but I deliberately sit down to
watch at those times. And if I can't see them
at seven thirty on a Friday night, I know that
I can watch an hour later on delayed.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Yeah, good man, Simon, thank you very much for giving
us a bus keen to get your views on Oh yeah,
thank you, Simon. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call, really keen to get your thoughts
on this deal. Sky TV taking over three network, plenty
of teachs coming through on nine to two nine two as well.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
I tell you, so many people are worried about the NASCAR. Hi, guys,
not sure if three Now and TV three are joined
at the hit but three Now streaming service has motor
GP in Nascar and it's free. So for our boy,
if you're if you're TV three or your Sky, then

(01:36:45):
I can tell you right now. The listeners of news
Talk said, peak here a lot about NASCAR and motor GP.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Keep the Nascar free. It is twenty nine past three
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Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So a lot of
people are texting in why do does Matt call it
terrestrial TV and Tyler call it linear TV? See I'm
incorrectly referring to TV three, TV one, TV two, TVNZ
two as terrestrial TV. Terrestrial TV was over the air
television television broadcasts that were transmitted via radio ways from

(01:38:37):
ground based transmitters to intennas you know, and receiving devices
like televisions. You know, you could have put the ravity
is up. Yep, the old rabbity is I just said
this was linear refers to the traditional method of watching television.
So however, it's getting into your screen the content is
broadcast at a scheduled time and viewers have to tune

(01:38:59):
in at the Pacific moment to watch it plays play
some ads, right, so that's more wrapped. So yeah, you're right, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
And yeah, but the reason I said linear was because
it was easier to say I was having trouble with
terrestrial TVs. I just went with linear. But I'm glad
I was right.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
You do say terist real quite oddly.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Yeah, ye, soupringing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Terrestrial fair Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (01:39:23):
Hello, gentlemen. You might dislike what I have to say,
but I'm very glad that terres or whatever it was
explained because I thought it was something coming and from.

Speaker 7 (01:39:31):
Out of space.

Speaker 6 (01:39:34):
I'm very glad that was.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Explained sometime in space.

Speaker 6 (01:39:38):
Yeah. Well, I'm a bit of a dinosaur. I just
I'm just got the basic free to air. But I
wanted this is where you might just slight me a bit.
Well whatever, I have to tell you that I'm just
fed up with so much sports sports, sport.

Speaker 10 (01:39:56):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:39:56):
I believe in sport. People should do sports. That's good,
but it's like it's such a religion now that the
sport gentlemen has their own radio station that they can
tend to on the radio Sky Open, which I do
like full of sports, but they put something decent on
the other day which was a tattoous of Outwitch. That's

(01:40:19):
that you've really got to have a strong constitution to
see that. And I'd like to see a few more documentaries,
a few more stories, you know, with a bit of
bite in them. You know, as I said before, I'm
not against sport, but I just feel you've got Sky
that's got a lot of sport. They've got their own

(01:40:40):
Sky Sports station, they've got it on the blooming radio,
and someone like me who's more into literature, would like
to see a bit more of the documentary.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Do you have YouTube? Do you watch YouTube at all?

Speaker 9 (01:40:52):
Beryl?

Speaker 6 (01:40:53):
No, Dulian, I'm a dinosaur on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Can you can you? Can you rustle up? Have you
got a computer and an Internet collection connection?

Speaker 6 (01:41:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Because I think you would love YouTube or it's there's
so many documentaries on YouTube that that that you can neck.
You can find you can find information nearly anything. I mean,
you've got to be careful. Some of it's made up,
but some of it will lead you with a crazy
rabbit hole. So you've you've got to be careful and
you know you might be getting radicalized. But there's a

(01:41:23):
lot on there interesting. Thank you for you call Beryl
and look, yeah, there's sending me a lot of sport
on Yeah, my god, I'll watch a lot of sport
coming especially on that if one weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
Yeah, I mean, I've got to say, Beryl, she's got
to have some sort of easy watching going on. The
Teto of Oschwitz, I'm sure is a great watch, but
pretty heavy. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Love to hear your thoughts about
the Sky TV takeover of three network? What do you
want to see? And do you still watch linear TV?

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Steve?

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
Do you mate? What's your take on this?

Speaker 14 (01:41:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:41:58):
I don't mind watching the way it goes, but I
thought i'd just added something in here. I watched a
lot of Next Car obviously SVG's and that. Now, if
you go to no Leman's or jbhy Fine and the
likes of you buy one of those Amazon fire sticks,
you can actually subscribe to their to their whatever their

(01:42:19):
subscription base. I think it's like sixteen or seventeen bucks
a month, and you get all the channels that you
can you could think of, Like, there's there's like a
list of over five six hundred channels that are available.
That's including all the Sky Sports one, Sky Movies, thing
like Al Jazeera TV and anything you can think of.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
Are you having to pay your subscription on the Sky stuff?

Speaker 21 (01:42:46):
No, No, this is for some reason. I don't know
how it's done. My cousins. I was up at my
cousin's place about a month ago and he was showing
me how it works.

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
I just got to say, I mean, I don't know
if this is legit, Steve. I imagine a lot of
people are doing it, but if the cousin is hooking
it up and doing some sort of deals online, granted
you're paying a subscription, but I think it might be
pretty close to the to the line of the law
that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
But you know, on the Amazon But there are so
many free channels out there as well though, so so
if you've got Samsung TV now this there is Samsung
TV on a Samsung TV that just has hundreds and
hundreds of channels, and it's actually quite annoying whenever I
turn on my TV now because it's sit to the
Nanny channel that just plays. I mean I've just got
to get around to moving it. But currently the first

(01:43:32):
thing I flick on when I'm trying to go to
my MLB app as the TV turns on and it's
just twenty four to seven Nanny.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
Well like a nanny cam or just like no, not anycam.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Like out on your Fanny, then Nanny the nanny frendrisher,
Oh good god, and that sort it out. That's a show.
There's not aged well, I tell you, even fifteen seconds
of the Nanny while you're trying to fire up the
other app to watch something else. There's more than anyone
needs to see in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
I can hear your voice now right, Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call love
to hear your thoughts about linear tvd still watch and
why twenty wonder four, the.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
I'd be very good afternoon to you, and we aren't
talking about the Sky TV deal. They've bought the three
network for one dollar. Warner Brothers Discovery have sold it
off and left the country, but it is good news
for the people of New Zealand, arguably having a local
operator takeover that linear TV network.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
This person says, my use for the TV for the
majority of time is just start playing music and then
switched the fireplace app. No time to watch programs and
the mist gates. I can't understand what that's happening there. Yeah,
but I'm a huge TV I'm a huge fan of
watching of turning on a fireplace either the fireplace TV

(01:44:58):
channel and Samsung TV has one of those, or there's
plenty of plenty of people that film their fires around
the world live and you can stream it on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
And I laughed at you at the time, but o
oh boy, the text machine let up. People love fire TV.
Just a nice, beautiful fireplace.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Seriously, with all these talks about television production and TV
shows and what are you watching. If it's a cold
winter's evening and you're and your and you're you know,
making dinner or something, put on the fire channel. You
have to turn on the heater as well, because the
fire that the TV fireplace channel doesn't generat an your
heat of its own, well, very minimal heat, not yet.

(01:45:35):
But seriously, you hack your brain and you feel so
cozy with just the fire going is real? Murray, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 13 (01:45:44):
Can the fellas?

Speaker 11 (01:45:45):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Are you bloody goods?

Speaker 13 (01:45:49):
Before I start? I'm a senior uh and I have
U HF in the bedroom and Sky and the Lunge
and the only program I want to see back on
if they can, there's that three Fish program that they

(01:46:10):
used to run in the morning with Bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Yeah, well it's kind of bad. I've got I've got
some good news for you, Murray. That the the basically well,
Ryan Bridge is back in the morning with his own
breakfast television show that you can stream live on at
the Herald or you can stream it live on the YouTube.

Speaker 21 (01:46:30):
I haven't got the internet, okay, well there's a blow
to get Bridge vision in your house.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
You're going to have to get the internet. Do you
reckon something you don't want to get the internet? You
don't think someone could have you got a relation that
could sort that out for you.

Speaker 13 (01:46:46):
No, I just don't want it. I just don't want it.
Ration General on Sky and Racing General on UH fIF
all the other programs I watch, I watch and the
and the In the weekend, I watch six o'clock three News,
then I switch it over to one and watch the news.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
You watch it the one hour? What is it the
plus one hour thing?

Speaker 13 (01:47:12):
No nose. I watched sport, do lots of sport. See
how they get on chat?

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
All right, Well, Murray, you've got a decision to make.
If you want Ryan Bridge, you've got to get the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Get get someone, get murriyed. And I know he doesn't
want it, but I think if we get Murray the Internet,
he'll be He'll love it. It'll open up as world.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Yeah, it's a fantastic thing, the Internet.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Yeah, there's lots good stuff. There's lots of good stuff
out there, and there's some bad stuff out there though, Murray,
I could tell you on the internet, but there are
some good stuff. And you sound like the kind of
person that could be, you know, discerning and what you
what you took from the internet.

Speaker 13 (01:47:45):
Yeah, I just you know, can't be bothered with it.

Speaker 22 (01:47:48):
Really.

Speaker 13 (01:47:51):
Yeah. I just love what I do.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Yeah, if you're if you're if you're if you're happy,
then that's that's bloody great with what what you get.
And unfortunately, though, if you want to get Ryan Bridge
back on for a live breakfast show, that that only
comes through the Internet. But thank you so much for
you call Murray. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Some good texts coming.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Through a surprising amount of people. I'd like to see
the ratings. They must be out there are something on
Parliament TV, because you know, the two things that have
come up the most is NASCAR, Nascar and Parliament TV.
And I mean, actually, sometimes when I'm listening to the
mic co hosting breakfast, he'll admit that he's been watching
Parliament TV. He loves it. Yeah, Jason Wolves, he watches

(01:48:35):
Parliament TV. He's all about it. Barry Sober loves it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
Yeah, but Jason Wolves is in Parliament he can see
it firsthand. I'm just trying to find those figures on
how many everyone spend.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
My dad watches a lot of Parliament TV. And if
you watch Parliament TV, you have a very different idea
of the how competent politicians are. I've just looked up.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
Some quick numbers here, so apparently Parliament TV in New
Zealand has a substantial audience, with eight hundred and ninety
five thousand viewers reached over a six month period. How
many eight hundred and ninety five thousand over six months.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
What are you doing in a ratings period? No one
has a rating period of six months.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
I told you it was dubious. Well did I say dubious? Well,
now you know in over six months? Well, do I
admit now that this is how many?

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
How many watching the average broadcast? Give me that information?

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
All right, I'm going to come back to you on that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
What I'm saying is when you look up ratings, now,
there's always this. They fudge the numbers that's reached this. Yeah,
it's it's across six months.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
That how many people are watching in a specific moment
in time? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call?

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Is it worth getting this into web? Do you think
it's going to last?

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
Just a fair don't worry about it. It will be over soon.
She will go to Mike just before we play some messages.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Mike, your thoughts on TV?

Speaker 22 (01:49:52):
My thoughts on TV? I would I would like to
see a lot of this reality TV bs just pushed
by the side. We're just saturated in it and it's
I don't point it entertain I really find it disturbing.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
Where are you seeing it?

Speaker 22 (01:50:12):
Mike one, two and three.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Yeah, right, because there's not. I mean, if you go
to the streamers, your Netflix, yeah, your your Disney's, your
your Neons, then you know you don't have to watch that.
You can select select other stuff. But do you think
do you watch you know there are some sort of
quality sort of productions on the Oh, look I can't.

Speaker 22 (01:50:37):
I just cannot watch it below deck and then you've
got ex Wives of Real Housewives X County, x Country and.

Speaker 3 (01:50:46):
It's married at first sight. Mike, you'd be a fan
of that.

Speaker 22 (01:50:49):
Nor it's just people that like to be in the limelight.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
I'll tell you one that's a really good reality TV show, Mike,
I reckon, you'll like it. It's called Alone.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Have you seen that Alone? Yeah? So they the concept
is the reason.

Speaker 22 (01:51:04):
Why I would watch TV.

Speaker 12 (01:51:08):
TV show.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
No, you're going to love this one.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
They put a bunch of survivalists for people who think
they've got survival skills and in the wilderness, and whoever
lasts the longest gets to take home one hundred thousand
dollars AUSSI or two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in
the US.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
It's amazing. Oh, what about have you ever watched If
you ever watched task Master Mike.

Speaker 22 (01:51:26):
On TV two Master year.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Yeah, that's that's a that's a semi rally TV show
in a wave. It's sort of a highbrid high quality.
That's a great show. Yeah, what about It's okay, you're
a hard man. What about the Casketeers? The Casketeers is
a pretty good show, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (01:51:42):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:51:43):
No, I'm not a hard matind disturbing about you too.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
I'm looking forward to this. We've only got about ten
minutes to go for it. What's that.

Speaker 22 (01:51:56):
Watching a fireplace?

Speaker 5 (01:51:57):
A try it?

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Try it, Mike. It's nearly as good as the real thing.
Don't knock it to you. Try it. I've turned so
many people onto the fire watching fireplaces on the TV.
It lows me to say I gave it a crack
and it was pretty good. There's something sort of primitive
and it plays to your your ancestry. Give it a try.
It is eleven and fall back in a month.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
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Talks B.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
News Talk z B. Welcome back into the program, and
we're talking about linear TV.

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
Sky TV is.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
Taking over the three networking to get your thoughts.

Speaker 14 (01:52:39):
Phil.

Speaker 5 (01:52:40):
Get I thought on the matte, how are you boys
for stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Fantastic, amazing, excellent.

Speaker 5 (01:52:49):
I always feel I should ask.

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
That nice polite of you, fell. I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:52):
You're a good man, No worry, thank you would Well,
just quickly for a start, it's going to be minus
three here tonight and christ it so I don't think
I'll be putting that fire wrap on the TV and
watching it. I'll be right, I'll be light in the
my actual old brunner.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
You're you're in a great position, and you know, if
you've got a log burner, then that's always going to
be better than watching the TV fire. It's always better.
It's just for those of us that don't have the fire.

Speaker 22 (01:53:20):
Oh well, fair.

Speaker 5 (01:53:21):
Enough, I understand now. Just before I say that I
watched the thing too, I missed what the meaning of
the terrestrial meant. I heard the what can you explain
it to me? Just before I go on.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
So terrestrial television was?

Speaker 6 (01:53:36):
It was?

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
There's two descriptions. You can say, terrestrial television or linear television, right,
and they're basically describing the same thing. But terrestrial television
is the old way broadcast to you into your house.
Rabbity is Aeriel, that kind of thing. But linear television
just describes television that that plays it when it's on,
and it plays ads, and it plays in order, and

(01:53:57):
it just rolls through as opposed to a streaming platform
where you can pick what you're going to watch at
certain times and and you know the difference between say
TV three and Netflix essentially.

Speaker 5 (01:54:08):
Oh yeah, excellent, excellent, Thank you for that. Yeah, I've
got a smart TV with a lot of apps on it.
That and I've got the Sky Sport now at.

Speaker 12 (01:54:18):
Just for the sport.

Speaker 5 (01:54:20):
But i still watch mostly the the well what i'd
call plane TV, you know, your terrestrial or linear linear TV.
I watched programs. I still find it even I've got
all those options. Yeah, I still find quite happy watching
a lot of stuff like the One News all going

(01:54:43):
to be a bit sad here with Coronation Street, the
Repair Shop and that. So, yeah, I mainly still view
the linear TV, if that's the right term or that.
When I've got even though I've got the options with
the smart TV and the Sky Sport Now thing, I've
selecting a lot of stuff, you know, if I wanted
to with Netflix and stuff like that and all those apps.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Yeah, well, good on you, Phil, thank you for thank
you for thank you for bringing and thank you for asking.
How we are. We're amazing, very polite. Caine says, we
were up in Canada last December January and on Netflix
over the time, the whole time of the year. The
Fireplace channel was number one on the Netflix charts in
Canada the whole time that we're there. Yeah, that makes
sense in Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Yeah, well, I thought there was a load of nonsense,
so I looked it up and he's bang on. It
was the top spot on Netflix in Canada this year,
and not only Canada. You're a trendsetter, mate. It loads
me to say that, but it was the number one
show in the UK as well and number.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
Two in the US, the freaking Fireplace show. Well, how
about that's, fellas, I've taken fire TV to the next level.
Try log Cabin Fireplace Rain on YouTube. Yeah yeah, I
watched some of those and you can just set up
a little campfire as well. It's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
Oh good times, going back to going back to the
caveman days.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
Yeah, here we go, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
Good discussion. Thank you very much for all your take calls.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
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for the listening to the show over the last jeesus
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Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
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Speaker 22 (01:56:55):
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Speaker 15 (01:56:55):
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