Full Show Podcast: 22 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to the Mountain
Tyler Afternoons podcast for Friday, the twenty second of November.
Make sure you subscribe and follow and all those things
that you do and podcasts. Had a great show today,
a great show for a Friday. Of course, we announced
the New Zealand of the week, who could have been
let's just say one tenuous, tenuous one that we got

(00:38):
topical tunes. At the end of it. We did quite
a lot of chat on toxic workplaces, which was very interesting.
I heard a lot of people's lives, a lot of
back and forth on that one. The guy called Morris,
who's absolute loose unit on some kind of horse ranch.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
He've went a lot to say about Morris.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, what he does in a ute will shock you.
But yeah, it was a great chat. And then fish
and chip chat. Yeah, fish chip is getting very very expensive,
so a great chat on that. That was interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Onion sausages again and that popped up, Yeah, or Frickin'
onion sausages.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Love an onion sausage and kiaren Ice Sockets read the
ext all bat Captain joins us to talk about the
Italian game this weekend and the All Black season overall.
What a great man he is and a great chat
that is, so thank you so much for listening to
our podcast. And look give him a taste of Kiwi.
You've seem busy, so let's play the show.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk zebby Helloady.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
You welcome into Friday, into the working week for most
hope you're doing well. I am excited.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah to me Friday and got a big weekend on
and we have the new Zealander of the Week after
three o'clock, where we will name someone as having an
outsized effect on the country over the last seven days.
We've also got the topical tunune. Tyler, you'll place song
on a topic of the week, so will I, and
the first of three votes on eight hundred and eighty

(02:10):
ten eighty wins the currents. The current standing I believe
is five to two in my favor.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
I think so someone will know if you know you've
been keeping count nine two nine two. Let us know.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, I think it's might sound right.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I think it's closer than that.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, no, because you've only won twice, so you might.
The only way it could be closer is if we've
been on a less amount of time than I think.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, it feels like a goddamn.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Life has kind of changed this afternoon, I tell you.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah. Also, four dollars fifty for thirty four chips? Is
that merrally? Okay? It's happened at a fish and chip
shop up north. Yeah, four dollars fifty for thirty four chips.
Someone's counted them.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
What does that come to? Period? Chip? About thirteen cents,
is it?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, it's about thirteen cents a chip.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
There are pretty chunky chips, to be honest. Yeah, I
saw the photo.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, So fish and Chip chat after three as well.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
After two o'clock. We want to have a chat about
credit card interest rates and should there be a limit
to how much credit card companies can charge in terms
of interest. This is what Donald Trump potentially wants to do.
It was one of the platforms he ran on. Now
that he is going to be the president of the
United States again, whether he brings that to the four.

(03:14):
But someone who has is wholeheartedly agreeing with that, as
Bernie Sanders on the other side of the.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Course, isn't that you go so hands across the chamber,
hands across the political divides, bipartisan support. Yeah, that's that's
what they want in the States, don't they Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I love it. And Bernie Sanders is all force. So
where Donald Trump wants to cap it at is ten
percent interest At the moment, it's twenty thirty, forty percent
depending on what credit cards you get. And you were
surprised that the same applies here in New Zealand in
terms of those high rates.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, we were talking about this before, and I says,
I see as I say, as I say, as I says,
we don't have that here? We do and we do. Yeah,
I thought that. I don't know. I've actually never looked
at my credit card rates. So that was stupid of me.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Now, yeah, I've got one of those very high interest
rate cards.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, but I guess if you always pay your credit card,
then that's fine. Yeah. So if you're paying on time,
then you don't hit those rates. A certain amount of
interest free time, isn't there there are?

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah? But we know there's some of those credit cards
in the market, and we may name some of those
after two o'clock, but they target people who don't have
the cash up front and then they bug it because
they can't pay it back on time.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
And so if the business model is to make money
off people that are in a bad state, so that's
you've missed your credit card payment, and that's when you
get really really super punished. And if you're making profit
off that, then that that doesn't seem great, does it.
That seems a little evil. I mean, there has to
be some interests. Of course, it's their money they're lending you.
But if it gets up to thirty forty percent, not

(04:46):
call no so Bernie and old Trump. He might have
something here.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yep, I agree. That is the chat after two o'clock
because right now.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, so you might have seen this Seeks the website,
the Seeks latest start to reveals sixty three percent of
New Zealand workers have been in a toxic workplace in
the past. Now that's I thought it was interesting their
wording of that. Seeks later start to reveal sixty three
percent of news in the workers have been in a
toxic workplace. No sixty three percent ofgies in a workers

(05:14):
claim to have been in a toxic workplace, and the
examples new Zicer workers were being spoken to rudely in
front of colleagues. I mean, is that that bad? And
fifty four percent of those surveyed being on the receiving
end of bad communication? Is that worthy of toxic being
bad communication? Office favoritism, Well that's always going to happen.
But yeah, so they are some of the most common

(05:35):
toxic workplace traits. And look, there's absolutely no doubt that
there are toxic workplaces. No one's denying that there are
bad people out there that do bad things in all
walks of life. But there are also people with unrealistic
expectations or bad actors who make unfair claims. Some of
the people who claim toxicity are actually toxic in their
own right. Passive aggression is a powerful force. There are

(05:56):
emotional hemophilias, yep, i'd call them. I'm just I think
I might have made up that got a trase. Emotional hemophiliacs. Yeah,
there's bleeding with emotion everywhere who find toxic workplaces wherever
they go. I know people like this that they seem
to go from workplace to workplace, and everywhere they work
people are picking on them and it's not fair and
it's toxic. And you go, well, is it that the

(06:19):
workplaces you just have to be so unlucky that you've
gone to seven workplaces and they've all got this terrible,
terrible environment, or is it you? Yeah, that's a question.
Just because you get upset doesn't mean that the workplace
is toxic. I mean, I've been yelled at heaps in
my job and my jobs over the years, but I've
generally deserved it.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Things have drastically changed, haven't they. I bet you did
deserve it. But when I first started in the news business,
I had a chief reporter and he was very well respected,
and I still immensely respect the guy. But he screamed
at me, screamed at the top of his voice on
numerous occasions, because that's what it was like in a
newsroom at that time. And there was no part of
me that thought, I felt about, oh my god, you know,

(06:59):
I'm not going to do that again. But there was
no part of me that thought, right, I'm going to
take this upstairs. It just wasn't. It wasn't part of
the conversation then. But now, I mean if we saw
screaming out there, you know what was going to happen
if one of the bosses was absolutely letting loose because
someone made a mistake.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah so, because toxics are really powerful word, right, toxic?
You know, you know what I mean, it's toxic. So
if it's just bad communication, there's bad communication enough to
call a workplace toxic, it might be just a dysfunctional workplace.
But a dysfunctional workplaces as they're going to be all
over the place, that's fine. There's opportunities in a dysfunctional

(07:36):
workplace for people that are smart. Office favoritism. You're always
going to get office favoritism.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
And if you work hard, don't you become the favoriteisn't
that it works? If you solve problems for people, then
you become the favorite.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
That I mean, as long as it's not some kind
of untowards sort of nepotism, Yeah, I mean, god, you
always going to get nepotism. Yeah so yeah, so and
being spoken to rudely in front of colleagues. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know, I don't know. I mean, I definitely,
I mean, it's a gray area because it definitely exists,
but I think there everyone in a workplace would have

(08:07):
to admit there are people that are more sensitive than others.
So what might be a toxic workplace to some is
not a toxic workplace to others.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah. What I find really hard for bosses in the
workplace now, and I'm not a boss, let's just put
that out there, but I can see it happening is
that they now almost have to be therapists for their
workers that whatever happens outside of the workplace and is
interrupting their lives, then they'll bring that into the workplace
and say, look, I'm having trouble at home or this

(08:38):
is going on, and feel that their boss needs to
take that into consideration in terms of their productivity. And
that's a hard one for the boss because it's not
the boss's role to be that therapist and emotional support.
They are there to direct somebody on how.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
To do this. It's also a risky way to behave
as an employee because if you're saying that you need
extra propping up, then you might not be the person
that they look to for promotion.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
So anyway, just quickly is there a risk, So you've
got someone who has been a good performer in the
workplace right and they haven't been speaking up about something
that might be going on in their life and it's
starting to affect their performance. And then we hear it
quite often, we call it burnout. They get to a
point where they feel they burn out. You lose that
employee who has been essential for the business up until

(09:29):
that point. That is another hard position for that boss
to be in writers because they don't want to lose
that employee. They want to try and help them get
back to their best.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, yeah, I guess so, yeah, absolutely. I mean that's
how a boss might want to run it. You know,
if someone's a real asset for them, then they want
to you know, just the same way you run a car.
You want to make sure it's regularly service. You want
to luve it up and make sure it's going all right,
make sure that the wheels are on properly. So that's
probably why examples certain circumstances. But yeah, toxic workplaces, just

(10:02):
because SEEKS is the latest start to reveal sixty three
percent of New Zealand workers have been in toxic workplaces.
I'm saying sixty three percent of workers in their survey
say they've been in toxic workplaces, they may not be right.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeap oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call Love to hear your thoughts on this.
One nine two ninety two is the text number. It
is a quarter past one.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons You
for twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Four news Talk sa'd be eighteen past one.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Six's latest data reveals sixty three percent of New Zealand
workers have been in a toxic workplace in the past.
And I'm saying well, sixty three percent of New Zealand
workers claim to have been in a toxic workplace in
the study. I believe that some people's toxic is not
other people's toxic, and also that some people find toxic
workplaces wherever they go. But I could be wrong. Catherine,

(10:55):
you're a workplace coach. What do you think on the
issue of toxic workplaces?

Speaker 5 (11:00):
I think that I wouldn't say that there are many
toxic workplaces, but you come across toxic work situations and
many people go through a negative access of their lives
personally that can affect their work, and I just think
that it's a very humane situation that can be helped.

(11:23):
And I know personally where I've come across people who
have had a problems at home and who are not
for me at work, but with a little bit of
help and a little bit of coaching that just help them.
It helped them. It helps them a lot. So I
don't think that they should be penalized because of of

(11:44):
their situations. It's not necessarily a toxic workpace, but it
can be just their own perception of being in a
toxic work workspace because of the only emotions that that
that they're in country.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yes, so what about Catherine, say, you've got people that
so you've got a workplace and you've got someone that
comes in and decides it's a toxic workplace, but the
workplace before that arrived seem to be going fine. And
I know in my life there's people and look, maybe
they're just really unlucky, but I know a number of
people in my life that seem to go from workplace

(12:18):
to workplace and find massive problems. That starts off fine,
and then a month and the same thing happens. They
start saying that this person's in ahole, this person's this,
this person's that and that, and the toxic the place
is dysfunctional. Does the workplace have to change for that
person or does that person need to change for the workplace.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
The manager of that workspace probably does need to change,
and something does happen needs to happen there. And maybe
the managers themselves are going through a problem that they
don't know how to handle, and therefore they take it
up and their stuff. So it's quite it can be
quite a complex situation, but if it's tangled correctly and
fairly and justly, there should be no toxicity.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Abut what constitutes a toxic wor workplace though, because in
this survey here the some of the examples of a
toxic workplace included bad confute communication, being spoken to rudely
in front of colleagues and offers favoritism. I mean as
bad communication a toxic workplace or just a dysfunctional workplace.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
It can be a bit of both, depending on the
level of what's actually happening in that situation. So you
can call it a little bit of both, I think,
and it really depends on the level of that type
of communication that's happening, and it does happen. It's not

(13:47):
that it doesn't happen, it does happen.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
You're great to chat to, Catherine. How I'm just sorry
to jump in there. I've seen this happen in the
workplace and there's been an employee and employee employee is okay,
but they are reprimanded by the boss in a respectful
manner because they didn't do the job correctly or they
were asked to do something and didn't do it. Then
that employee takes it further and claims they have been bullied.

(14:11):
That is a tricky position for a boss to be
in because to me, that is not bullying. That is
just asking an employee to do the job that they've
been paid for.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
And it's not always what you say, but how you
say it. M Yeah, yeah, it's how you say. And
there are managers and there are managers, and trust me,
you know, there's been a situation where I came across
other person who was the absolute staff in an organization
that that manager will go talk to this person all

(14:41):
the time or anything whatsoever. A new manager comes in
and that new manager can't can't like this person, and
so that new manager does come across as a bully
because of their own personal disclife of the person.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah happens.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, Well that's the thing about humans. Wherever there is humans,
there are politics, and it's very hard for humans to
not bring what's outside of work and what's inside of
work and personal relationships. And one of the great things
about a workplaces you meet all different kinds of people
they do, and then you haven't and you haven't chosen them,
like you haven't chosen them like you've chosen your friends.

(15:19):
But the other side of that is things can get
toxic in a way that if it was a friend group,
you just wouldn't be friends with that person anymore. But
because it's a workplace, you have to see them every day.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Yeah, but you've got to learn how to cope with
situations as well. And it also teaches you about maturity
and how you you know, how you achieve people. Sometimes
it's busy to look after animals, actually.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, my dog Colin can be toxic from time time.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah. A question for you, Catherine, do you think it's
ever depending on the workplace, because I know this happens
on say a construction site more than it would an
office situation, is it. Do you think it's ever okay
to yell at an employee?

Speaker 4 (16:01):
No?

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Never, never, it's never. It's never okay to yell at
an employees. It's never a careful yell at their manager
or their employer.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
What about if if you yell at your computer a lot,
or your yell at things a lot, near, near, near,
near another employee, because there's one, like, I'm not going
to point fingers, but out of me and Tyler, there's
one of us that yells a lot, not at the
other person, but one of us. I'm not going to
point fingers, but it's one of either me or Tyler
seems to yell a lot at things.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
Yeah, but you shouldn't be. You shouldn't be because you
respect the space that you're in as well. So you're
gonna yell, yell at you don't yell to the years,
because the other person can take it on board that
you're you're actually yelling at them and not as the computer.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
See, I just don't like Princes. I really don't like Prentice.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
If you've got to.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Respect your face, and you've got to respect the other
people that's working close to you, that you're working with.
It comes down to.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
Respect, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
But thank you, Catherine, someone's finally said something right.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
We'll take a break and then I'm going to yell
some more of this Prince.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Workplaces. Are people too sensitive in workplaces and calling everything
that doesn't fit exactly into their perfect, special, little emotional
hemophiliac specifications. They're calling those workplaces toxic.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Just on the yelling question though, because that has changed
a lot over my career. I haven't been yelled at
for some time, probably in the last couple of weeks.
But when I first started and I worked for my dad,
who's a sparky, he yelled at everybody. He loved yelling
and that was just how he got his message across.
And then when I started in the news business, there

(17:50):
was definitely some yelling, and I didn't think it was aggressive.
It was just it was a fast paced environment and
messages needed to be presented quickly and that was his
style and we all accepted it wasn't bulliant.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, well, that's an interesting thing. I guess it comes
down to expectations, right. If you feel like you're being
treated unfit, if you expect that, then you're not being
treated unfairly. But if you're told that you are being
treated una fairly, if you're being yelled at someone, then
will that will change your perception? But I give you
the example of James Cameron, the great movie director. He

(18:22):
yells and screams at everyone.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Is he a yeller?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
He's a yeller and a screamer. And I've seen some
pretty shocking footage. But the results speak for themselves great movies.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number of cool love to hear from you on this
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I've got a question mark around the new proposed medical
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I act to wonder about the maths and whether it
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Speaker 8 (18:54):
With us, it's absolutely an argument around how you get
more doctors. For example, would it makes sense to expand
the two very good medical schools we've got before we
eat the fixed costs on creating a new one.

Speaker 7 (19:04):
This is a five, Tom, Have you been recruited by
Otigo in Auckland because they don't like the five them broken.

Speaker 8 (19:08):
You know, I'd look at the way the University of
Auckland's behavior to value in my degree with a forty
second in the world where I was there, now we're
one hundred and fifty because of the unending crap lay
insist on teaching instead of actual science in academia that
I was prejudiced it would be against author.

Speaker 7 (19:22):
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Speaker 3 (19:28):
We're talking about toxic workplaces after a survey by SIKH
found that sixty three percent of New Zealand workers believed
they had been in a toxic workplace in the past.
And we've also asked a question, is it ever okay
to yell at someone in the workplace? Carolyn, you want
to chat about a book about working with potentially toxic people.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
There's very definitely a profile of toxic leadership. There's a
very good book by John Clark with an E and
he was a criminal profiler and brought into an Australian
workplace trying to understand why this particular manager kept losing

(20:12):
good people. And he identified something called an organizational psychopath.
They're not criminal psychopaths who will go out of murder people,
but they are definitely psychopaths. And there's a saying the
fish rots from the head. If people are interested in

(20:33):
toxic workplaces and trying to identify what problem. As the
book's called working with Monsters, I'll.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Have a look at that. When you brought up John Clark,
I thought you were talking about the great New Zealand
comic John Clark. Of course it was Fred Daggs, but
he made this fantastic show. I don't know if anyone
remembers it called the Games in Australia, about the lead
up to the Olympic Games over there, and that was
that was all about a dysfunctional, if somewhat toxic workplace.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
So there is such a thing as a toxic workplace
if you read that book. But equally you talked about
dysfunctional workplaces, and dysfunctional workplaces are quite often caused by
you're a manager. Now go manage with no training, no
support and no understanding of things like KPIs. So if

(21:28):
you tell somebody to go do something and you haven't
communicated how, when, where and what and by what time,
then you can't blame the person if they don't perform properly.
That's actually a manager's problem, and it's an HR's problem
because they haven't identified the tasks of a job.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
So when you're.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
Managing people, you should be managing two KPIs and to standards.
If those standards are not articulated, how can a person
know what to do?

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Agree with that? I agree with that one hundred p ccent, Caroline,
But you would you also agree there's such a thing
as I'm calling them an emotional hemophiliac that'll find a
toxic workplace wherever they go because they have weaknesses in
their own personality. No matter how much communication they get
from their manager or wherever they're put or whatever I

(22:27):
guess the terms kid gloves that they're treated with, they
will always find reasons to feel like they're being set
upon in their workplace.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
That's quite possible, and that comes down to the recruitment process.
If you have a very robust recruitment process, you can
identify patterns of behavior, particularly if you conduct psychometric testing,
and it's not it should be confirming what your instinct is.

(22:56):
And I've always had a thing about recruitment agencies and
if you get a twenty one year old who's thrown
in the role to recruit people, they don't have enough experience,
an understanding organizational structure and understanding the type of person

(23:17):
that you need to recruit into the workplace culture.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Thank you so much. Yeah, sorry, Caroline, we've got a
nip off. Now we've got a bit of a time constraint.
But that was very interesting, And thank you so much
for your call toxic workplaces. You've got the question, because
is it okay to be yelling in your workplace? Tyler? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is there make it
a toxic workplace? You're you're always yelling at your printer,
and you're yelling at your computer and stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Nanimat objects, feelings, but you don't mind.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
But you don't yell at me. But I wouldn't even
mind if you yelled at me. You can yell at
me if you want so. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
We're talking toxic workplaces. But I've got a question for
you across the blank. What was the name of the
janitor with superpowers from the nineteen eighty four Tromio splatter film.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
It's a hard question. What was the name I?

Speaker 2 (24:03):
What was the name of the janitor with superpowers from
the nineteen eighty four Tromio splatter film? Right, all right, answer.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Next that is coming up. It is twenty seven to two.

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(24:36):
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Reports.

Speaker 9 (24:55):
A former political figure, not a sitting MP, has been
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(25:16):
Hamilton lawyer Rebecca Guthrie has been appointed a District Court
judge based at White Targety District Court. New Zealand's top
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Herald Premium Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Thank you, Rayleen. It is twenty three to two.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
And the answer to my cryptic question was actually wasn't
cryptic at all. It was just a question what was
the name of the janitor with superpowers from the nineteen
eighty four Tromo spat of film as Darren Glenn just
looking a few dean and like thousands of others, got
it right. It wasn't Melvin the Mott Boy. No, it
was the Toxic Avenger never heard of. It was actually

(25:53):
a remake of it last year. Any good, No, remac
wasn't any good. But they were Tromo films, so they
were the lowest budget films. But I still love them
back in the day, the Tromo films. But the Toxic
Avenger then it's multiple seagulls. Very good as a janety
got stuck in some toxic waste and he came back
and wreaked his revenge. Right, we're students of the school.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Worth watching for me on the weekend.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Then ah, NOA, I don't know if it holds up.
I don't know anyway, siks latert Sdarta reveals sixty three
percent of New Zealand workers have been in a toxic
workplace in the past, and the impacts on their well
being have been significant, according to Sikh. But I'm questioning,
I'm questioning the wording of this. Sexs later start to

(26:36):
reveal sixty three percent of New Zealand's have been No
they are claiming to have been. Some people who claim
toxicity are actually actually toxic in their own right with
their passive aggressions. Some are emotional hemophiliacs who find a
toxic workplaces ever they go. I mean, the question is
is it so bad? I mean one of the things
is you know, being spoken to rudely?

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I mean is it so bad to be yelled at?

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Well, I suppose you know what do you mean by rudeley?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Well? Yeah, well, I mean exactly. Yeah. One person's rude
is a different rude to someone else's. But we've got
so many texts coming through on nine two ninety two
and a lot of phone calls as well. Hi, guys,
I think you're right. Everyone is a bit sensitive. Try
working for a family on a dairy farm. Nine percent
of the people wouldn't be able to handle that. But
it just goes with the job and the work environment.
Shes for that.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Brad, Yep, good text. Just go back to the phones. Dan,
you run a business and team?

Speaker 10 (27:29):
Yeah you got men?

Speaker 11 (27:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Got you? And what do you think about this one?

Speaker 12 (27:34):
So when people ask me what I do for a job,
I tell them that I am the toxic Avenger. I
deal with hazardous chemical waste. I've run a number of businesses.
I've even run a division of a publicly listed company.
It took me a long time to learn, but the
biggest thing that I found to get those businesses under

(27:55):
control was to first develop the team. And to develop
the team, you've got to have some rules of the
game and some performance tools behind that, and the shouting
thing when you talk to people. The best thing that
I can do is talk to people. Really don't be

(28:15):
afraid to bring up direct problems, but you always do
it in a calm manner, and you always point out
and refer back to.

Speaker 13 (28:21):
Your rules of the game.

Speaker 12 (28:22):
So I've got a little rule that I live by
which is above the line behavior. So that's taking ownership, accountability,
responsibility instead of resorting to blame, excuses, denial. So if
I'm talking with team members, that's what I'll do is
I'll point out the specific things, and when I hear

(28:43):
their responses, I can actually hear it in the way
that they talk, and I'll put little dots above all
below the line, and I'll show them where they're playing.
But behind that, you have to have that culture, that quality,
health and safety, environment policy that says what you're going
to do, and the set of rules of the game
that says this is how we perform in the workplace.

(29:04):
And you have to sit calmly with your staff and
you have to talk through those things and have those
performance discussions because once you get that team right, and
you have to keep working at it and keep working
at it, and keep working at it, because one little
thing can destroy that team in an instant, but it
is the biggest and best thing that you can do
to develop and grow a business.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
So, Dan, are you talking about management? And all levels
of a team.

Speaker 12 (29:31):
All levels of a team. So look, I've worked at
all levels of a team. I've run my own business
in Australia and rand a division of a publicly listed
company in Australia. I've had a senior management.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
But what I'm saying is when you when you when
you talk about the above and their lyne, so you're
saying both the management and the people below them need
for the team to operate in such a way where
they all all.

Speaker 12 (29:59):
The layers of management and supervisors need to understand that principle.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, but I'm talking about dan Is, but also the
people belo the management, the people that are being managed,
do they need to also turn up with these ideas
of not blaming other people and the other things that
you suggested, Because really what I'm talking about is that
some people that will find a toxic workplace wherever they go,
and they and they'll blame management for their situations that

(30:26):
they're in. And so there's an obligation I guess I'm
suggesting for people to be turn up and have a
certain amount of be robust enough to handle the environment
that they're in.

Speaker 12 (30:38):
I agree with you and your lady before saying, getting
it right at the recruitment process is the key thing.
And no matter how much I've got on my plate,
one of the biggest things I'll spend the most time
on is inducting any new team member and specifically going
through those policies, the rules of the game, this is
how we play around here. And then if people step

(31:00):
out of line with that, no, you don't shout at them,
you hit them down and you talk about with them
about what the real problem is, and then you refer
back to that induction process and if forgets to a
point beyond that normally it doesn't. Normally, if you learn
to understand people. That lady was talking about personality profiling,

(31:22):
and that's something a lot of people don't do because
there's different personality types and you have to deal with
different people in different ways. But that's what you do.

Speaker 10 (31:31):
If you get to the point where you do.

Speaker 12 (31:32):
Have someone who is your toxic chemo friendly act, then
you might have to go down that path of getting
rid of them.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, but if you.

Speaker 12 (31:40):
Can establish that team, establish that culture, that is the
best possible thing you can do in the business. And
you've got to dedicate so much time to it.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, thank you so much. It was great to speak
to the toxic avenger himself.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 13 (31:53):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to cool love to hear from you. It is sixteen
to two.

Speaker 11 (31:59):
It's done.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
You take on talk bag matt Ethan Tyler Adams afternoons.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks.

Speaker 14 (32:07):
There be four two.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
We're talking about toxic workplaces? Is it okay to yell
at employees and other people working with you? Got a
bunch of texts coming through on nine two nine two,
and a bunch of phone calls as well. On one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. He has a text. Holy,
I have so many toxic stories. I work in hospo.
My only chef told me at ten am she needed
to go to an appointment at twelve thirty lunch service.

(32:30):
We were the ones who are being unreasonable for saying no, Dave.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Hospo traditionally is a hotbed of pressure. There's nothing quite
as stressful as a kitchen. I think in work, if
you're a young person and you start working in a kitchen,
you can deal with any situation. I don't care if
it's air traffic control or anything compared to a busy
kitchen in hospo. Oh boy. But also there is a

(32:54):
lot of yelling and a lot of aggression in there,
and that was celebrated in TV shows Gordon Ramsay, celebrated
for the long time Anthony Bourdain. So I'd be interested
to find out from people in hospit if that's still
the environment where people are still yelling and screaming and
slamming pots down.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Did you read Kitchen Confidential, Anthony boord ain't yesly yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Holy all right, Bowie your thoughts on toxic workplaces?

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Rowie, we might have you on delay there. So what
I'd do, I'm going to put you back to Andrew
will try and get you off delay. I think you've
got the radio on. Let's have a chat to Trevor Ghetto. Trevor,
you reckon. It's hard to judge what is toxic?

Speaker 15 (33:37):
Yeah, I do really And it was just like you.
I mean, you just talked about some kitchens and when
the pressures on the way people speak. And I've just
come from a wholesaler. A trade is wholesaler, and I'll
tell you what some people would go in there and
they think that place is toxic or offended. I thought,
I'll tell you what, ninety nine percent of the guys
that go in there, they just love us. The way

(33:58):
we talk to each other and how we described to
Mala Harris and how we supplyve Donald Trump and stuff
like that. So I think it's very important to joke
what it was, what frush, what thrashed me about it.
There's a workplace that's okay. One person comes in. I'll
use the word offender, which I think is similar. They
come in and they are offended by something or they

(34:19):
thought something was toxic, and generally that one person gets
the whole place changed. Can I give you a couple examples.
You know Steve Williams. You know Steve Williams Tiger Woods's co.
So you know he used to have these Oh you
probably go to the mat, we have a lunch, to
sit down and he tells stories, right, and we all
know what it's all about. And I remember once he

(34:40):
had one and two ladies complained and Steve Williams come
on the air the next day and apologized if he
offended anyone, don't think of himself. Why. I'll tell you
another class example. I don't know how closely you follow sports.
The zillaan and the hockeys coach ladies team they had
an Australian coach, the Mark Hagar, and when he took
them over, he had his way of doing it and
they won. I think they want a Commonwealth game. Got

(35:02):
to playoff some Olympic games and were very successful and
a couple of particularly young ones come in and they
complain that the atmosphere there was toxic, so they got
rid of them. But the old players come out after
it said they love the way who was running it
the best out on them.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, they shack them.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah that that's exactly what I'm saying. So you know you, yeah,
what is toxic to one person? What is not? And
when you come into a workplace, do you owe the
company to be have a certain amount of robustness, to
accept a certain amount of the culture as it is. Yeah,
up up to a point. But yeah, this is really
really interesting. So one hundred and eighty, ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
It is ten to two.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Matteath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred eighty
Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
News Talk News talks ' be Barrie. You think nobody
is truly evil, but you've got a technique to deal
with toxic people.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yeah, it's the truth. I've worked nearly ninety five now,
many years ago, and I've worked with thousands and thousands
of committees and people, and I had an absolutely proven
technique that worked for me. First of all, I believe

(36:23):
that nobody is truly bad other than mentally incapable people
and criminals. Everybody is basically a good person. But that
doesn't mean I didn't get annoyed. I used to get
annoyed often by individuals, and my technique was to be

(36:46):
as kind and nice to that individual, no matter how
mad he made me to be. And it's amazing how
quickly that individual will stop being being annoying to me
and everybody else everybody has a good side, and give
it a chance to come out well.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
As Marcus Radi said, the best revenge is not to
be like someone. So if someone is being incredibly unreasonable
and you're not, it really does take the steam out
of their sales.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah yeah, but you go out of your way to
praise them.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah right, tell them with kindness, Barry.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, that's right, exactly my point. They've always everybody has
so much good in them, you're just going to seek
it out and comment on it.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Hey, young Barry Well seeking out things to comment on.
I've got a son who I called Barry, and I'm
trying to bring a new generations of Barries through with that,
because there was there was your generation of Barries, but
then Barry stopped. At some point people stopped being called Barry.
I'm not sure exactly when it was. So I've got
a fifteen year old Barry.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Well. I wish him well. It's a great name, and
pass on to him my philosophy, please.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
I certainly will. I say, Barry says this, Hugh Barry,
your namesake, says this. But I've never met to bad Barry. No,
you say that everyone's got good on them. I think
there's something about the name Barry that lends people to
being good people.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
I don't know too many berries. Oh there's Berry so ber.
He's a good man.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Oh he's a great man.

Speaker 11 (38:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah, yeah, O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. We're gonna carry this on after
two o'clock. Toxic workplaces.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, and I particularly want to hear from I want
to hear from everyone in eight hundred eight ten eighty.
We love your calls, but I also want to hear
from people working in hospital right now, because historically HOSPO
has been one of the most intense workplaces, and not
usual the word toxic, but intense workplaces, yelling, screaming, high pressure.
So I don't know if that's still the case, if
the Gordon Ramsay School of kitchens is still a thing,

(38:46):
if it's still tolerated eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Have you ever worked in hospital?

Speaker 2 (38:50):
I certainly have.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Was it crazy?

Speaker 2 (38:52):
It was crazy? I was reasonably toxic. Yeah, and I
was recently intoxicated from time to time when I was
working in hospital as well.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Were you front of house or back front of house?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I think kitchens of the kitchens are intense, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
It looks like it.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I mean just reading going back to a kitchen confidential
and ants Bordain you he has flaws, but I thought
he was a fantastic human being. But man, he put
up with some stuff, but it hardened him.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I think expectation is a big part
of it. You might go into workplace and if you
expect to be treated in a certain way, and you're not,
then you feel like it's unfair and you might call
it toxic. But if that is the way the place
is and that's how it gets things done, you might
have taken that into consideration.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, cool, Quicktichus. Hey guys, I have a few panel
and paint shops, and we have counselors that our team
can access at no cost to them. Any good employer
should want to look after their teams.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Even if they're emotional hemophiliations.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, one hundred eighty eighty. He's the number to call.
Nineteen ninety two is the text number of that's shit thing.
It is four minutes to two. You're listening to Matt
and Tyler.

Speaker 14 (39:57):
Good afternoon, talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty
four News Talk ZIDB.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, haing you on this Friday, seven past two. We're
having a great time.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I had a great time last night as well. I
was at the Between Two Beers, you know, the Fantastic podcast.
They had a live show and I was at it
and two of the other guests with Jason Gunn and
six ologist Morgan Pin. You might know from the six
Life thing and being on a couch. Well, Morgan Pin
Sixologist question Jason Gunn about his six Life I think

(40:54):
it might have been one of the funniest things I've
ever seen in my life. Jason Gunn was fantastic, and
so I was Morgan. But she was putting him on
the spot about frequency and the details of and you
just don't expect that conversation with great New Zealand ad
Jason Gunn. But it was one of the funniest things
I've ever seen. Hey, we're talking about toxicology, toxicology, toxic

(41:15):
workplaces after a Sikh study. Six's latest dart of revealed
sixty three percent of New Zealand workers have been in
a toxic workplace in the past. Some of those things
that they say toxic, bad communication, offers, favoritism and being
spoken to rudely. There are some of these complaints and
that caused me to question. Sixty three percent of New

(41:35):
Zealand workers have been in toxic workplaces or claimed to
be in a toxic workplace. And I've raised the term,
which I may or may not have made up. Emotional
hemophiliacs are people claiming that workplaces are toxic. But it's
just that they find things toxic wherever they go, Yeah,
and they can't handle the channel. There's absolutely no doubt
that there are some toxic workplaces, but I think there

(41:57):
are also a case of some people that will find
everywhere they go toxic. But before we get onto that topic,
there's the topic of the name Barriie. Because we talk
to a ninety five year old barrye yes, a great
New Zealand a great chat before about toxic workplaces, and
I pointed out that I've got a fifteen year old Barry.
I called my son Barry am and am and the
mother thought we'd bring the name Barry back because we

(42:18):
loved it. There was a gap in Barry's, Yeah, there
has been. Yeah, So if you've got a young Barry,
I'd like to hear from you, because I think I've
never met a bad I've never met a bad Barry.
I think Barry's there's something about that name.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, And it opens it up to some great nicknames
as well. Bears, batter Well.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, Bess McCullum. I mean, not his actual name, but
someone here says I've got a rock wheeler called Barry.
He's a great guy. And someone says, Matt, you're supposed
to be a muso. You're forgetting the greatest Barry of
all time, Barry Mellow, Barry Menlow. Yes, the songs that
Meg the whole world sing. I've got a lot of
time for Barry Menlow.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
You can hold a tune man, great snars. Yeah, Morris,
you are a screamer in the workplace.

Speaker 16 (43:02):
Absolutely not PC say what I mean, explain things in
black and white.

Speaker 17 (43:07):
If you're a dick, I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Have you had it's not toxic? Has it ever gone?
Have you ever had complaints? Have you ever had any
Have you've ever been seen there the complain?

Speaker 17 (43:18):
Because I know what they're going.

Speaker 14 (43:19):
To get back?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
What business are you?

Speaker 3 (43:21):
And Marris?

Speaker 16 (43:22):
Oh look we find just on ninety thousand stock you
and so they're all farmers, you know what I mean. Yeah,
we've had a couple of those what do you call them,
toxic hemophilix? So whatever you call them, emotional there the
secret to its right, And I worked out how to
get them.

Speaker 17 (43:39):
I explained things.

Speaker 16 (43:40):
And we've got thoroughbreds and race horses and stuff like that.
And there's an example of not having people who are
going to be toxic, because I don't think it's it's
me who's toxic. I think it's those people who who
are offended by everything. I had one girl, we're going
to employ it, I father than the she was offended,
well that sister beginning was it a bit.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
But okay, but just Marris, what are we talking here?
Was that I don't want to get into the details.
We're talking silent but violent, loud, proud, what are we talking?

Speaker 6 (44:07):
You know?

Speaker 16 (44:08):
Been loudly routing and but you know, And she was
sitting there and I thought, well, no, we're not going
to employ her. We had another young lady who'd come
to work with a thoroughbudge. She was an expert, and
I explained to how you handle appliqular horse.

Speaker 17 (44:19):
She didn't listen because she knew more than me.

Speaker 16 (44:21):
And then she got a broken collar bone because she
didn't listen because a horse banger into a pole, and
explain how you do it, and you want to see
your people listen, and she didn't. So well was he
didn't employ her. She took us to the employment caught
to blame with us, and lucky everything was I video
everything because I want no comeback, and so we nothing
happened there, And so what once you get through that
find out whether they are idiots? We then take them

(44:43):
and you get the final four candidates, and I take
them out for laps and get them absolutely plies and
full of alcohol because alcohol is the greatest leveler. And
you find out what you're going to get. You know
who's a know it all, who's loud now, and who's
going to be the toxic one, and who's real straight
and square that you won't fit in the groove. And
what we do now we employed people that fit in
with us because we've got an environment. Look, I even

(45:04):
had a staff change in eight years.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
But and I'll rent, and I'll raise, and I'll.

Speaker 16 (45:11):
Give you a serve, but most guys will ring you
up once I've calved down two days later.

Speaker 18 (45:15):
A sorry, bro, I deserve that I was.

Speaker 13 (45:17):
A bit of an idiots.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Your job, your job interview involves you unleashing and the
ute and then taking the person out for a few drinks.

Speaker 18 (45:27):
Oh and then you find out. So you find out
who who you.

Speaker 16 (45:31):
Think is going to fit them mold with the group.
And it's not about I don't care if a person's
that they could be the greatest brain in the world.
They could be everything I want, you know, but they
don't fit them with the group. And then the group
goes really really good.

Speaker 19 (45:42):
Then I don't want them.

Speaker 16 (45:43):
And are they going to moan and winge about me
dropping me number ones in the in the in the
ute or or burping or picking your nose and be
offended by that?

Speaker 13 (45:52):
They're not then a little.

Speaker 19 (45:53):
Bit too PC for us.

Speaker 16 (45:54):
And and we've got girls that work for us, and
we've got brokes and they respect each other. And you know,
there's certain things I don't tolerate with boys being sexist
towards them and stuff like that, you know, in any
of those kind of stations, I.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Don't tolerate that.

Speaker 16 (46:08):
And but you've got to be liberal and free to
be your own self and be your individual and you
and where I think it's all gone wrong is that
you can't do anything so you never get the best
out of you staff because they're always walking on eggshows.

Speaker 17 (46:21):
I don't want to offend anyone.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Yeah, So Morris, if you take if you take these
employees potential employees out for a booze night, what are
you looking for? I mean, if I was wanting a
job and you take me out and I smash back
ten beers and jump on the table and have a
great time and get on the karaoke. Am I what
you're looking for?

Speaker 13 (46:37):
Absolutely?

Speaker 20 (46:39):
I don't like you know.

Speaker 16 (46:40):
You know, we farm eighties outher stock units and we've
got other investments, you know, all around the country. The
last thing I want is to know it all. You know,
when a guy gets drunk, all of a sudden, they're
coming you how to run your business?

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Hit that is that that is a mistake that a
lot of people do when they're out drinking with management,
with the boss taking them aside and telling them how
to run the company.

Speaker 16 (47:05):
And see, alcohol is the greatest leveler, and you find
out the piece I think you need to improve this
part of your business or that part. You know, this
is not the time you tell me that you know,
you've been there for eight months in tell we yeah,
you know, and I don't want to know.

Speaker 17 (47:20):
Your weakness is stre because I've just interviewed you.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Well, we're coming up and we're coming into Christmas party season, Morris,
And so that is actually probably a warning for people
across the country the time to bail your boss up
in the corner of the room and get into deep
shop shop shop talk. Not that time, No, not that
time to do it in the proper way back at work.
Just have a good time. Do what Tyler does. He

(47:43):
he gets steamed, has ten beers, he stands on the table,
he'll put a toilet seat around his neck, he'll pull
his pants down and he'll sing karaoke and gain a
lot of respect this job. Yeah, that was the that
was the process for picking you. That and I unleashed
in the ute on the way here.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Like Morris, you eat a lot of cheese. Oh eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is fourteen past two.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
There's just a text here. Someone said around the Jason
Gunn and the chat with Morgan pen did she ask
about his thingy? That's juvenile from you text in nineteen
nine two. No, it's very good.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
There's fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Your new home of afternoon Torthen Taylor Adams afternoon call,
oh eight hundred eighty gen eighty.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
News talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Seventeen past two. We have been talking about toxic workplaces.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah, are the perception of top toxic workplaces? Six later,
start A revealed sixty three percent of New Zealand workers
have been in a toxic workplace in the past, and
I'm saying, well, they claim to have been a toxic workplace.
What is a toxic workplace? What's okay? I want to
hear from HOSPO because I understand historically that was a
place where everyone got yelled at. We've got a side
issue going here with Barry's. I've got a son who's

(48:56):
fifteen called Barry. We were talking to a ninety five
year old Barry. So I was asking if Barry is
still a name out there. My son's friend's brother is
called Barry. Matt, you might be onto something here with
the name Barry, I said, I've never met a bad Barry.
This person has a dog named Kevin, and he can
be a bit mischievous around other dogs, especially my flatmates
rot wheeler named Dave. So this Barry is a good

(49:17):
barrier but has a problem with Dave's But whenever he
is around my mate's pug is always in his best behavior.
The pug's name is Barry. That's from Henry.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
It's some solid dog names. Kevin, Barry, and Dave.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Wow, my dog. They should get together with my dog.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Colin.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Colin Barry and Dave would have a great time.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Well, I think Nick wants to talk about being a
Barry as well.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Get a Nick, a mate, get a So you're you're
you want to talk about being a Barry. But your
name's Nick.

Speaker 21 (49:42):
Well, my middle name is Barry, and I'm named for
my mother's uncle who was a Barry.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Was he a good guy?

Speaker 4 (49:52):
He was.

Speaker 21 (49:52):
He was a fantastic dude and passed away about the
time that I was born, which is why the transparence
of Barry from him to me.

Speaker 11 (50:01):
You heard?

Speaker 2 (50:02):
And do you think that that that that middle name
has served you well in your life? Nick, Barry?

Speaker 22 (50:09):
To be honest, I think it is. I mean, initially
it took a bit. It's taken a couple of years
to feel the name on myself. But I feel I've
thrown into a bit of a Barrie.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
It's good, it's good.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
There is something about a Barrie.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah, it's a solid name. Yeah, I think about it.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
When I think of a BARRYE they're they're they're often practical,
They've often got a good joke, and there's generally a
solid gin.

Speaker 22 (50:35):
Absolutely true in.

Speaker 21 (50:35):
My case, well well mannered, polite, kind old ladies I
think represent Brairies pretty decently.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
And sometimes some barries will suffer from builder's crack. That's
just that's just the fact of life with barries. Thank
you so much for your call, and I hope you
go well with that middle name Nick.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Jason, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (50:56):
Oh? Good guys.

Speaker 20 (50:57):
Hey, listen that guy you had on before talking about
fueling up, steaming up as work force with alcohol to
get the truth out and we'll see what they're getting.
Maybe that's the top of your next one next week
is is anything good ever happened out of Christmas staff function?

Speaker 19 (51:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Great topic.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
I've got a lot of thoughts on this, Jason. I
think if you're going to Christmas function, the best you
can come out is even in that situation.

Speaker 20 (51:21):
You can come out of the drinks. Yeah, hey, listen
back to your original topic, you know, toxic. I I
I sort of was listening to what he was saying
about that, you know, the same guy that was talking.
I half to agree with him, Like, you know, are
we saying that environment's toxic? Are we saying that suddenly heaven?

Speaker 1 (51:38):
For bird?

Speaker 20 (51:39):
Employee is one you know set a bit of you know,
expectations about the who work for them, and I've seen
many examples and that guy mentioned earlier about Mark Hayer,
the you know, the hockey coach for New Zealand Woman,
and and all of a sudden, you know, you see
outcoming you know, normally in the public sector too, when
you know you've got retirement commissions and that you know

(52:01):
when balling cases. Is it that it's toxic or is
that suddenly, as I said, Heaven for bid, you know,
we want to set some cape eyes and actually see
what you do for taking your forty hours paycheck a week.
Does that suddenly make the environment toxic?

Speaker 13 (52:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Well, I mean there's definitely obviously there are toxic workplaces
and there are people, but there is I think there's
If the expectation is that you are never going to
get yelled at and things are never going to get robust,
and there's never going to be certain kinds of jokes
going on, then you may feel like you're being treated unfairly.
So do you think expectation might be a big part

(52:37):
of it?

Speaker 20 (52:37):
Jason, Well, I think we're confusing that. You know, I'm
an intoxic environment, so suddenly my employees are asking some
fear of hard questions on my performance. Now you can't
touch people now these days because of the wakeness that
we find ourselves in New Zealand that suddenly you can
take any right case of r can you can be
put on gardenly for five to six months on full

(52:59):
pay and the poor guy that's trying to get you know,
performance out of his workforce is suddenly down the road. Yeah,
So have we gone too far the other way? I
think possibly we have. On no question that there are examples,
many of them where toxikers are right phrase to use,
and mainly hospitality. The kitchen scene you said before, you

(53:20):
know that would be a terrible pressure cooker place to
be in there. But you know, it's a little bit
widespread for me, and I think we suddenly going to
look ourselves and say, you know, what was wrong ten
fifteen years ago and the bloss would call you up
and call you a bloody use or so and so,
and you'd pull your pants up and suddenly perform that
these days.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
It's certainly happened to me that I've been yelled at.
But I guess ideally, if you're a boss, and if
you can have a stern word rather than losing your rag,
if you know what I mean. But by getting angry
and screaming in a way, you lose some of your dignity.
But having a stern word, and look, if it's a
situation where someone's about to injure themselves, then you need

(54:00):
to you might need to fire up in a second.
But going back to Morris, who rang up before, and
he didn't want to employ someone because he broke wind
in the ute.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
And keept the windows up and a terrible.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Smell, and that particular employ didn't like that. And also
you know, takes them out on for a few drinks
and how they behave on that he judges them going forward,
and most of the texts on nine two nine two
have been positive for that. But here's another side to
that that someone's sent through. Morris doesn't want the best workers.

(54:34):
He wants people just like himself. In my opinion, he's
a narcissist and wants people like him but less than
him so he can control. I would be happy to
walk out of an interview with a person like that.
And yeah, you absolutely have the right, Yeah, to be
fair to Morris, I made up the interview scenario. He
wasn't doing those things in the interview. He wasn't getting people,

(54:57):
he wasn't having beers with people in the interview, and
they're letting rip. That's not what he was doing. But
he was saying, in the wider case of working with
them in the trial period of whatever, how precious they were.
And I've got another text through here on two working
with Glane as toxic. Yeah that's Glaye, the boss of
the Alternative Commentary Collective, which is a sports commentary team

(55:18):
I'm part of. Yeah, Glane is toxic.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Shall we get him on the phone and make him
answer for his crimes?

Speaker 2 (55:23):
He's toxic and generally intoxicated.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
One hundred eighty ten eighties and number to call it
is twenty four past.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Two, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on youth Talk said.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Be good afternoon. We are talking about perceived toxic workplaces,
but a lot of chat about yelling on the work site.
And I said before, my old Manny he ran his
own sparky business, massive yeller on the construction side. And
I know because I was a labor for him, so
he yelled at me many times. But he was kind
of feared on the site when he turned up and said, Ray,
here's Paul lad Did.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
He yell at you more than he yelled at the
other workers.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
About the same Actually it was diplomatic yelling. But here's why.
And the one that I recall he yelled at me
the most is that I cut the GiB in the
wrong place for the PowerPoint and he comes storming in
and just loses that because the whole wall is buggered
by that stage, so he picks up his pliers chucks
them through the jib walls. I'm dead. You've just made
it even worse. It doesn't matter. The whole thing's ruined.

(56:23):
And the reason he flipped out because that cost him
a lot of money. So looking back, I can understand
that I've got a question for you, Tyler. That did
help the situation?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Did it change? Did it did it set things up
such that you didn't make mistakes that again? Or did
it Did it make you angry at him? Do you
think it was a successful strategy, And look, it's unlikely
that it was a strategy. I think he probably just
blew his top. But do you think that was helpful
in the workplace? How did you feel about it? Did
it make you better.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
I never cut GiB in the wrong place again for
a PowerPoint, So it worked in that circumstance.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
So you thought, you know, you know, measured twice and
cut once kind of situation.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Well, no, it's a good point actually because when he
calmed down and it took him a couple of hours
when he went off site and then he came back
and what he realizes he didn't teach me how to
read the plans properly. So then at that point he
said down, he apologized and said, yeah, right, we're going
to figure out how to read the plans, probably because
you misread it and you cut in the wrong place
and that whole wall is buggered. Now I going to
pay the jib stoppers. That's going to cost me five grand.

(57:18):
So we all understood why hear.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, But so if he had to leave the work site,
then look, I don't know your dad, but everything you
said about me, he sounds like he's a great man.
He is a very good man. But that doesn't seem
like that was the most productive way to do it.
Because he's had to leave that he's got so heated,
he's had to leave the work site for a period
of time. So I think you can be robust, but
if you absolutely lose it and start throwing things around,

(57:44):
then I know. I don't think that necessarily makes it
a toxic workplace, but it doesn't necessarily make it the
most functional workplace at that particular time, does it.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Yeah, he was way happier when he sold the business.

Speaker 23 (57:55):
That.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yeah, I've got the good text here that I think
could be potentially contentious and actually starts with probably contentious.
This is from a female probably contentious, But I found
over my lengthy working career that predominantly female work environments
often make for a bitchy, toxy toxic, mean girl environment.
The alpha females gather their minions and then proceed to

(58:20):
bad mouth, undermine, play favorites, and gossip about those not
in their group or team. So I want to hear
from females on THEAY one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Do you think that's an unfair representation. I'm sure it
happens in some places, but is that as Can you
generalize and say that that predominantly female work environments tend

(58:42):
towards toxicity?

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Well that's from Assandra as well, so clearly a female worker.
Sam you've just left left a job.

Speaker 24 (58:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, earlier in the year. But my main
point was on both sides. But whether you're the one
crying because everyone's being mean or whether you're yelling and
saying everyone's soft, we're not very good at looking within
ourselves and saying, how am I affecting the situation?

Speaker 23 (59:08):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (59:09):
I remember that?

Speaker 19 (59:09):
Yeah, yeah, because that the last job I was in,
and I was actually sent them quite a while and
I started, you know, my mental health had gone south
because it's stuff at home, and then work started getting hard.
You know, I was bursting into tears in the car
and stuff, and I was saying, but it's everyone else's fault,
all that sort of stuff. I actually slid into Matt
to Yms and we were chatting quite a bit, and

(59:30):
it started to make me yet, look at myself, how
am I affecting the situation? And yeah, it made me
realize that it wasn't everyone else. It was more more
me just being negative towards towards the whole lot. But
even yeah, I was impressed with what Morris said before
even though he's yelling and all that sound a bit bad.
He did then realize later on and apologize. I think

(59:50):
that's quite important. Yelling at people sometimes like things can
get pretty wild, but if you step back later on
and go, oh, I probably took things a bit too far,
that's very different from the just yelling wildly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Yeah. So if you fire up for some some event
that's happened, Sam and and and you know, in the
in the in the moment, but then you you calm
down and realize you've done the wrong thing, then it
would be very hard to blame someone like that. But
if if, if someone's been cruel and torturing something, that's
a very different thing, isn't it.

Speaker 25 (01:00:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:00:24):
I mean I worked a lot of hospital and there
was a lot of yelling, and I did yelling, and
I got yelled at, but we were very good at
sitting down afterwards and you know, all right, that was
a bit move on. Yeah, But there were ones who
didn't there too, and they didn't last very long.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
So why did you leave your jobs?

Speaker 19 (01:00:39):
Then I just realized, look, I was at a different
stage in my life. I had young kids. It was
that was in the liquor industry and stuff. I had
to love going out in lava and it probably deteriorated
my health and I wasn't handling the long hours and
all that, and I was just chatting with my boss.
I'm still friends with them. I'm going at the Christmas party.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
I want to click.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Oh okay, that's good and.

Speaker 19 (01:01:01):
Where I can probably get away.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
With a bit more.

Speaker 19 (01:01:05):
And yeah, I've completely changed it up and I'm working
for myself to gardening and that's just working out better.
When you like you kids and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Oh good on you, Sam, Yeah, thank you very much
for you. I mean, that's the other thing, you know,
when you fire up at work, it's you don't know
what's going And sm said he had a lot going
on his life as well. So that's the thing about workplaces, right,
everyone's got a life outside of work. They can be
driving into work and they can get incredibly aggravated. You
don't know what's happened. You don't know if they've got
problems at home. All these kind of things come together

(01:01:32):
and people can go off and work and that is
going to happen. But if people can come back down
and apologize and are big enough to admit their mistakes,
and as your dad did, come back and say, this
is how you read the plans. You know then then

(01:01:53):
then it all helps you know, I mean then, I
mean then that's obviously much much better than a person
that is just yelling and screaming all the time and
never has any self reflection about their behavior themselves. Someone said,
can we get a counter on how many times has
said robust? Yeah? Look, I love people keeping me honest
to nine two nine two.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Wow, I was looking.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
That's another. I think I'm up to five robusts.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Right, We'll definitely keep a counter on that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I'll try. I'm going to get on the phsaurus and
find another word other than robust. To go forward.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to cool love to hear from you, it's twenty
seven to three.

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Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
B Q ray Lean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
So we had a texta four nine two nine two,
which is firing people up on eight hundred Hardaki and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Excuse me eight hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Oh my god, that's toxic of you. Yeah, I cack
if I want to run there, if I want to
use the wrong radio station number.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
I am well with scream at you right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Now as an employee. That is that is well within
my rights.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
That's a robust and fright their male.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
I'm all for a strong, vigorous, sturdy, tough, powerful, muscular, rugged, hardy,
full bodied workplace. Yeah, Tyler, but I think it's one
of my right news to say, oh eight hundred HORDECHI
when I mean eight hundred eighty ten outy anyway, that's
firing up the text machine. This text here that we
read before, probably contentious, but I've found over my lengthy

(01:04:30):
working career that predominantly female work environments often make for
a bitchy, toxic, mean girl environment. The alpha female or
females gather their minions and they proceed to bad mouth
undermined play favorites and gossip about that those not in
the group or teen. That was from a San. Sandra
got this text countering that from a Matt who says,
if that lady thinks an all girl workplace is bad,
she should join a team of all male landscapers. Winging, whining,

(01:04:53):
bitchy bunch of muddy moaners.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Made Oh nice, well, Risen new Kim. If you've got
a problem with people, people taking it too personally in
the workplace.

Speaker 26 (01:05:05):
Yeah, yeah, I found, like I've said, oh boys, you
know from kind of in the services kind of things, uh,
and may and I found kind of like that kind
of hardened me up to the way of thinking because
like I said, that everyone was different, specially in the services.
So uh, we've got all walks of life and the
kind of to talk here to how to take and

(01:05:27):
how to treat people. But also, like I said, I
think I think we take they things personally because for
a fourth times I have to say, like you know,
males are different to females. It's very specially in the
way of thinking. And they just they're always trying to
say that we're the same, but it's never going to

(01:05:48):
be and never never is, because we're totally different thinkers,
you know, male and female, and we take things feefully
in different ways. And that's for a reason, for you know,
for reasons and uh. But the thing is, you know,
we've got to think about that when we're if she's
talking each other and we we take over it all
each other all the time, you know, That's what I

(01:06:10):
was saying. You know, that's why I kind of I
like to been in services, and like you said, you
get all boys together, they kind of have their habits
and then vice versa would feemales, but you hit them
both together and there's always going to be an adversary.
You know, there's always going to be taking offense or

(01:06:32):
something because we've kind of joked different ways, and that's
totally that's totally how it is, and that's whyfe Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Thank you so much for your call, and you can
you imagine and the services that you definitely would have
some robust conversations needed to be had here and there.
All right, boy, boy, this is this this phones are full,
the text are coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
We'll just take a break and move back with more
chat on toxicicity in the workplace.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
What's the number?

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty and I resent the judgment
in your voice when you ask me to say the
number more robust.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Yeah, it's twenty to three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Bag of a vigorous chat coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons you for
twenty twenty four used talk.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Sa'd be seventeen to three, plenty of texts coming through
on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Yeah, So we're talking about toxic work environments and a
few texts and phone calls, and one from Sandra saying
that all female work environments can be quite toxic. As
a text, I work in a all female profession eighty
percent of my career and it hasn't been toxic. Though
toxic woman with their own problems do get hierarchical and

(01:07:46):
cause problems like that. Lady explained on her text message.
I think it's classified as toxic when people aren't held
a count and changes aren't made.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Another text here, time for a fine system, Matt. Every
time you say the H bomb, So that's from Ann. Yeah,
so yeah, if you could keep vigilant on that on
nine two nine two, every time I say the number
of my previous radio station, Radio Hedeki instead of the
z B number eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What would
be a suitable find that isn't leading to a toxic workplace?

(01:08:17):
I mean a peddling would be too much?

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Yeah, I thought, no, I no, no, I feel I
think that's bang on. Actually a nice punishment, nice peddling.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Some kind of sturdy, tough, powerful, solid, strong muscular response
for that would be good. There's another text for an
anonymous please don't say my name we will not. Hey, guys,
I work for the most toxic person was right up
there boss backside. The boss and the senior management knew
about this and person's bullying, toxic behavior. They didn't behavior,
they didn't do anything about it. Unfortunately, they are a

(01:08:44):
significant power move now and still displaying toxic behavior. I'm
thankfully gone. At the end of the day. Bullies tend
to get away with it if people don't stand up. Yeah, true,
good text.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Is coming through, Peter, You reckon. It comes down to
the individual.

Speaker 18 (01:08:59):
Yeah, I think it does. You know, when you sign
that contract or you get that job, you're expected to
put her made out as a work. You know what
your job description is. At the end of the day.
If that job description changes, you know that to sit
down between you and your manager and if you don't
freaking like it, leave.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 18 (01:09:19):
I just don't understand why people stay in there and
then they blame the manager. Bay mother starf. Just just
freaking leave. You knew what you were getting into when
you took the job. Just grow up here and just leave.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
I mean, ideally, Peter, I get that, but I guess
there would be circumstances when people just need the job.
Maybe you're in a tough economy like we are now
and there isn't the job out there. There must be
examples where people want to leave but they just can't
because they need the money to support their families.

Speaker 18 (01:09:54):
Yeah, that's true, but they're also those same people are
very arrogant that they're not at fault. And you know,
if you're justified take a personal a grievance, yeah, I'm therefore,
But if you're not justified, Yeah, I've hired people before
and I've yelled at people. I'm in the trade, and yeah,

(01:10:15):
it just goes with the trade. But at the end
of the day, I expect my employees to do the
job within the description. If you can't do it, I'm
not interested in opening you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Yeah, nicely, said Peter. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
I've got a text here from Dean. I'm self employed
and my boss can be a real lazy basket at times.
Sometimes they have to give a real serve.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Yeah, yell at yell at yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Yeah what if you if you're the toxic quirk ingvicement,
I feel like that sometimes term you've been in one
or two toxic environments, Oh.

Speaker 13 (01:10:49):
Yeah, at least one, But you know, I've sort of
handled it. What I was interested in really was is
Morris from twenty minutes ago? Yeah, gee, Mars has got
a couple of Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Where do you start?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
So, just to recap, Morris was the guy that he
was involved in in in horse training, I believe, and
his he would he let rip in a truck and
was disappointed that a potential employee or something that just
started was offended by the stank. And I thought that
was a bit precious and also thought that you could

(01:11:29):
tell how people were by how they behaved after a
few drinks. But your thoughts on that, yeah, well.

Speaker 13 (01:11:37):
You know, if I was in a place with Marius
and he dropped his guts and was bad, and there's
two options, I'm either going to stick no singer down
my stroke and chunder on him. We'll give him an
hours some stars because you know, even Stevens, you know,
if you want to be revolting, you can pull thing

(01:11:58):
that you can stop the vehicles and half out. Yeah,
Marris sort of guade hit the central locking, wouldn't they
and not allowed the windows down a hah. Yeah, Well
when he's covered in chunks and probably not so funny
for him, But I imagine also that Morris is probably apologizing

(01:12:18):
a lot in his life. The secret around that is,
don't be a Morris change, you know, like, don't have
to apologize to people all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
And Maris's defense, he said he's had the same employees
for eight years, so it seems like it's employees, the
ones that get through the trial by fire and the
youth found his crew that the crew that he has
with them likes them now. It would seem according to Maris.

Speaker 13 (01:12:47):
According to Morris, the interesting to speak to the staff.
They've probably got mortgages and heads and you know how
it is. It was I'm just I'm just going off
what Morris exposed in the world. So yeah, you know,
I'm just putting it together.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
And sorry you go, Tom, Sorry you go, No, you go.
Know you we're turning this into a top.

Speaker 13 (01:13:13):
I think the fowl pointers, you know, it shouldn't have
to deteriorate where people are yelling each other, yelling at
each other. I mean, just don't let things step talking.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Out, especially as you're saying, we're before with Tyler's dad,
he yelled and screamed and have a wrench through some plies.
Get it right through some jib because Tyler is useless
and cut the hole in the wrong place and Tyler's
an idiot. But he then no offense. But then he

(01:13:50):
came back and he apologized. So you are going to
fire up, but we all in our lives, we all
have emotions and we all have our passions. But it's
how you behave after that, you know. And so if
you're big enough to as your father was a great,
great man, he fired up, and he came back and
he apologies, and he took you through how to read plans. Yeah,

(01:14:11):
I mean you could argue before you get someone cutting
a hole that maybe you showed them how to read
plans before that, would you know? You or you learn
how to read plans before you cut the hole. But
that's that's a whole differentis That's right?

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
The person I really blame is the jib sopper. He
was only working three days a week. I mean, come on,
it wouldn't have been if he was around.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Here we go the blame games, classic useless employees always
looking for someone else to blame.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
It is ten to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Three the issues that affect you, and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons.
You for twenty twenty four, you've talked s B News
Talks B. We're talking about toxic workplaces, and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
We've also been talking a lot about a guy called
Morrissey rang in with a very strong phone call. Y'
gonna say robust again or be pulled up about word
robusts so much this Texas is where has it gone?
I know Morris personally, and I can't stress how accurate
everyone's assessment of him as.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Morris.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Okay, John, your thoughts on toxic workplaces.

Speaker 10 (01:15:15):
Well, hello there, it's not necessarily a toxic workplace, but
it's more about the toxicity altogether. And precidently I'm down
here at the beautiful wireduct harbor, and what I want
to share is my wonderful uncle always used to say.
He said, John, if you throw mott, you lose grounds.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
And he again, John, John, sorry I missed that. What
was what was that saying from from your uncle?

Speaker 10 (01:15:44):
The saying was that if you throw mutt, you lose ground.
I like that, and I think there's a very good thing.
And and he he was a very good captain. And
he was also the one who always shared that on
a boat if a captain yells and screams. It must

(01:16:06):
only be done in a life threatening or a highly
emergent emergency situation, because otherwise you don't you end up
not listening to the captain.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Yeah, well, I mean, I mean, just with that analogy, John,
and you can take the news business, or you can
take you know, construction, or I mean there's numerous industries
out there where you don't have time as a luxury,
or mistakes cost a lot of money. In those instances
where those bosses would yell, maybe to keep someone safe

(01:16:39):
or maybe because you cost the business a heck of
a lot of money. Is that okay to do?

Speaker 10 (01:16:45):
I would say life threatening situations, yes, money saving situations
where do we put the limits? We would have different
limits there. So I think any boss that raises his
or her was too often lose respect. That's how simply
it is in my opinion.

Speaker 13 (01:17:03):
Yeah, I remember.

Speaker 10 (01:17:04):
Stealing for many years, or on a boat where we
were competitive and the captain was a columnist, a person ever,
and we won a lot of races, and then his
wife started getting on board. And then this is not
in any way pointing at any females, but he was

(01:17:24):
even more competitive and would raise her voice four times
every race, ten times every race. After about a season
of that, I said, I'm sorry, I don't enjoy the
environment on this boat any longer. And the captain said
to me, I'm totally understand.

Speaker 27 (01:17:41):
John.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call. If you
throw them, you lose ground. That's a good point. And
another saying is from Marcusraelius. How much more harmful of
the consequences of anger than the circumstances that arouse them.
You've got to be careful that your anger doesn't cause
more damage than the original crime. Look what a great
chat it's been. And apologize. We couldn't get to all apologies.
We couldn't get all your texts and calls, but we
really appreciate them. And look, when you're in a show

(01:18:05):
as popular as this as the show has recently become.
According to the latest radio server, you're gonna get heavy traffic,
can't you, Tyler. I'm just looking at these numbers. There's
number one on Aukland for the first time in a
long time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Oh, I think you'd find you're looking at them, Yeah,
looking at them, looking at us?

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Oh what Matt and Tyler afternoons on zibbe. Yeah, like,
it's not about us. I don't know who brought that up,
but what it is about is it's about the New
Zealand of the week. We're going to announce that coming
up next. Every week we pick someone who's had an
outsized effect on the country over the last seven days
and we celebrate them.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Yeah. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
We've got topical tunes coming up as well. It is
three to three.

Speaker 14 (01:18:55):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you for twenty
twenty four news talg zibby.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Good afternoon. Final hour of the week for us, big
houry heads.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Huge, My favorite hour of the week. Topical tunes is
coming up. My good buddy Tyler here and I will
play a song each on a topic of the week.
We put it to the phones on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty in the first to three wins. After
three thirty, we talked to ex All Black captain Kieran
Reid about the game this weekend and the All Blacks
year plus. We have a whole heap of fish and

(01:19:28):
chip chat to get through.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
But first we have something to do.

Speaker 14 (01:19:33):
Zed B.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Every Friday on Moons on zed B we name the
New Zealander of the Week, an honor that we bestow
on your behalf to a newsmaker who has had an
outsized effect on our great and beautiful nation over the
previous seven days. And as always, there will be three nominees,
but only one winner. And remember, like the Time magazine
Person of the Year, the New Zealand of the Week
isn't always an agent of good. So without further ado,

(01:19:58):
the nominees for Matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealand of
the Week AH. Nomine one also receives the Early Bird Award.
You've probably done some bad stuff. I wouldn't invite you
around for dinner. You have made history the Hastings mongolmob
member who was arrested for displaying a mungewob sign three
minutes after the law went into effect. You have been
nominated for New Zealander of the Week. Nomine two also

(01:20:24):
wins the Mitchellin Star Award. They want to health you up.
They're coming for your chips, your jam donuts and your milkshakes.
But they can take your mouse traps out of my
cold dead hands the New Zealand School tuck Shop. You
are nominated for New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Well deserved, but.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
There can be only one, and the winner of New
Zealander of the Week is he's the new boss of
the police, he's named after a cat, and he's nailing
his movie star doppelganger. Game Commissioner Richard Felix Chambers for
looking exactly like Sam J. Jones, star of the nineteen
eighty SI five Flash Gordon film. You are New Zealander

(01:21:05):
of the Week, who it already doesn't look a lot

(01:21:26):
like Sam J.

Speaker 5 (01:21:27):
Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
We're going the start of the nineteen eighty sci fi
classic Last Order.

Speaker 28 (01:21:32):
Good looking fellais for these extrad and to collects Holy
Doctor Lady Sarki formally and NASA has provided any explanation.

Speaker 25 (01:22:00):
Morning's unprecedented solar eclipse is no cause for alarm.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Matt and Tyler well deserved winner of New Zealander of
the Way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
I think it's tenuous I picked that, but yeah, look
he does look a lot like Sam great cheekbones, Yeah
he does, but will that put him in good stead
to be a police commissioner. Only time will tell. But
Felix's great nickname isn't Richard Felix Chambers?

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
And what do they call him Felix?

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
I think it was a situation where he you know,
every police officer has a nickname from something that happened
on the beat, and I think he saved a cat
and got the name Felix, or he was attacked by
a cat. Will actually look into that. But there was
some cat related thing which meant that Commissioner Richard is
called Commissioner Richard Felix Chambers. But look it up because

(01:22:54):
it is uncanny how much he looks like. It seems
like an obscure reference because it is, But it's uncanny
how much he looks like Sam J. Jones from Flash
Gordon Show, The Matt and Tyler Afternoons. That's enough to
give you New Zealander of the week.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Clearly right, moving on, this is going to be a
good chat. So residence at a holiday hot spot is outraged.
Outraged at a local fish and chip shop that prices
are sky high, they say so the Munga fire local
who didn't want to be named, said a four dollar
fifty scoop of chips from a particular takeaway spot got

(01:23:29):
her just thirty four chips, which averages out to be
thirteen cents per chip. I thought it was shocking, she said.
I was at the beach with my seventy year old mum.
She was a bit crushed at the size when we
opened it. I've worked in hospitality for about eighteen years
and fast food and running restaurants, and for me, that
is just shocking behavior from a fish and chip shop.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Yeah, I mean it does. I mean it is just
business right. If that's how much they charge and people
stop buying it, then that's what happens to their business.
But it does seem thirteen cents a chip seems like
a lot. How much are the treats?

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
How much were the treats?

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Yeah, I'd like to I'll be interested to see the
menu at this fish and chip shop. When I was
a kid, my parents called this out at us having
a crazy name for these and by other people, we
called them treats like the hot dogs or the fish
or the donut or the chop sewey patty or whatever
you or the onion sausage, whatever, those things were called treats.

(01:24:22):
So my dad would say, okay, what treats do your
kids want? And I'd say hot dog, chop sewey paddy onion, sausage, cheeseburger,
pineapple ring. And it's a two treats, two treats.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
The chips with a vig that was the healthy part
and then you're allowed to treats.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Yeah, yeah, it was put to us.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Well, how much would you pay for a chocolate donut
at the Fish and Chip shop?

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Chocolate donut?

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Can you get fried deep fried chocolate donut?

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
I've never heard of a deep fried chocolate donut if
I've heard of a donut, but I don't, I've never
did they deep fry the chocolate once?

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Yeah, deep fry it and these chocolate in the middle.
So chocolate donut that oozers through. Can you get a
bit of banter on the outside.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
That's it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
It's good treat.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
I've never experienced that. That sounds very good, so good,
so good. Yeah, there was deep fried. This was condensed
milk was a big thing in Dunedin.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
How do your deep fry condensed milk?

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Yeah, well you freeze it and then you wrap it
and batter and you throw it in the deep fry.
That that is a licious deep fried Morrow Bars is
another big thing as well. Yeah, that was huge, healthy,
very healthy. Yeah, you have five texts from the Heart
Foundation that one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
But yeah, four dollars fifty for a scoop of chips
and you only get thirty four chips to I mean,
I can't say I've ever counted the amount of at
chips I get from a scoop, but I'd be okay
with that four bucks fifty. You're at Munga Fi. It's
a holiday hot spot. That's kind of what I expect
when I go to those places.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because I come from an area
where you'd say a dollar's chips, so a scoop was
a dollar.

Speaker 27 (01:25:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
And I had a friend once who he worked in
a fish and chip shop there's a long time ago,
and someone came in and said, how much is a
dollar's chips? And he goes a dollar and then the
guy started smashing up the fish and chip shop. Well,
that's that's not an okay rejrect So that's an okay reaction.
So I think my head's in the wrong space when
it comes to chips. I'm always surprise how much fish
and chips cost. Now, But I mean everything costs a

(01:26:11):
lot now, and I think fish and chips is is
it still about? There's no one's ever eating fish and
chips and not gone completely full, have they?

Speaker 11 (01:26:17):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
But I think what you're about to ask, and I
think it's a good question. Are they still the cheaper
option for takeaway? I don't know if they are anymore?
How much would you pay or would you expect to pay.
You've got your two boys, yourself and your partner. If
you've got fish and chips for the whole family, how
much rea can you be expected to bay?

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Jeez, that's a really good question, isn't it. M I
think fifty bucks? Yeah, I think that's where you'd end
up with.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
Yeah, but that's not cheap takeaway, is it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
No, that isn't. But also you get this thing in
Auckland that I'd never experienced before where you ask for
the fish and then they weigh it and before they
deep fry it. So it's not just do that you
just you go that Now that happens in a lot
of fish and chip shops, Does it in Auckland?

Speaker 13 (01:27:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
You go and you say, I'm not sure if it's
the rest of the country. People can tell me on
eight hundred and eighteen eighty, but I couldn't believe it.
The first time. I'd like, I had a piece of
snapper and igo, Okay, they've got it out and weighed.
That'll be this much. I was like, I can't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
I don't like that. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.
How much does your local fish and chip shop cost
and is it still the cheaper takeaway option? I say no.
Maddie says it's about fifty bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
And also Maddy says that it's Nestles instead of Nesleigh
as well. This time of the week, we're just going
to gloss over Matt's pronunciation of Nesley. We were going to,
but you read out that text's that's a great thing
about the new STIGs. He'd be audience, as they keep
you very honest. I'll get you and I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighties the number
to call quarter pass three s eighteen pass three. We're
talking about the price of fish and chips. After a
Munga Fi local was outraged she was charged four dollars
fifty for a scoop of chips and it turns out
there is. There were only thirty four chips there, worked
out to about thirteen cents a chip. This text, Holy moly,

(01:28:06):
Giday guys, myself, wife and two cat fishermen in Herne Bay.
Eighty five bucks, two fish tacos, two kids, fish and chips,
regular chips, robbery bit made epic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Fish taco said, a fish and chip shop. There's very
herne Bay. That is a great fish and chip shop,
though the Herne Bay Fishmart.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
It turned out he was happy to pay eighty five
bucks for that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
But yeah, it was so good. I was in there
once and I'll tell you who I saw in there.
Carlo barn Yeah, and Chris Warner. What's his name?

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Oh, Michael Michael gl Glvin.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
So I'm in the Hernbey Fish and Chip Shop. I'm like,
I'm in here with two superstars royalty. Yeah, Dan, that's
how flesh that fishing chip shop is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
Geto, Dan, you're talking to me?

Speaker 21 (01:28:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Yeah, what what would you pay for your fish and chips?

Speaker 17 (01:28:52):
It's done? Actually?

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Oh sorry sorry Dan? Good a Don sorry Don? Yeah, anyway,
I'll get it right, Don.

Speaker 17 (01:29:05):
Better fish seven fifty sausage, fifty Scooper chips four fifty,
I told herlive before I was looking at an old
receipt at seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Sixty right, right, So when was that from?

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
Now?

Speaker 17 (01:29:18):
That was from Wellington? See martin Ampton.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Keith sounds like a good place.

Speaker 17 (01:29:23):
Oh, I have great people there, mate, I go there
every Friday, have a chat, get my food. You're talking
about them weighing fish. What happens is like today they
had forty hour which was already pre battered. But if
you buy like I usually buy garnered and I get
them to batter it because it's just a nicer fish.
They weigh that right way, the fresh fish. But the

(01:29:46):
stuff they've already pre prepared, right, that's the set price.
So that's what charge. You know, Like when you were
surprised they weighed it where you're ever you were was
because they yeah, it's fresh fish now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
But by the time don you've you've put some fish,
you've spent, like, bought an expensive piece of fish that
has to be weighed. I mean, is that the best
way to eat it? Better it up? And if in
a deep fry that seems like it's a bit a
bit of a fish leveler.

Speaker 26 (01:30:14):
Well not really.

Speaker 17 (01:30:15):
I mean, so you get you're unwilling to. Next you
go there, get yourself a piece of gurner, get it
battered up, sit outside if you want to sit outside Elfrisco,
and you'll find it's one of the best fishes you
can have fish. So I just prefer it battered fish.
I'm not a fish eater. Yeah, that's and I quite
enjoy it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Did you say seven bucks fifty for a battered sausage.

Speaker 17 (01:30:39):
No, No, five sixty for a plain sausage.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Just a classic sizage.

Speaker 17 (01:30:46):
Well, yeah, but it's not a not a tiny you know,
I've been to order sausage, you know, sausages and eggs,
and you come out you can't find the sausage.

Speaker 4 (01:30:55):
On your plate.

Speaker 26 (01:30:58):
You know, you're looking under the table.

Speaker 17 (01:30:59):
Going, hey, where's the sausage. You know, these sausages like
the same size as my badded the battered fish sort
of things. So they are a decent sausage, I mean,
so they cut about six slices on the side of
it when it's cooking. It's a good size.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:31:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
And if we're going to mention sausage as a fish
and chip shop, I'd be remiss not to mention that
the onion sausage. Where are my Iago people at the classic?
The need and onion sausage the absolute pinnacle of cuisine.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Now you've got to explain it for the people, because
I thought it was meshed up onion, that you get
some sort of meat concoction going on and then deep
fry it. That's not an onion sausage.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Tyler of good you tailor Tyler, as I said the
other day, was it even yesterday we were talking about this. Yeah,
we're backgrounded to already. No, it's what it is is
it's it's like a hot dog and that it's battered,
but it's a it's a sausage, but it's an onion
flavored sausage. So I think it's a kin to the
flavor you might get from a sausage roll. But it's bad.

(01:31:59):
And it's a bag old sausage, a big old curved
sausage often and you put that in tomato sauce and
it is the best thing. And I don't know why
it hasn't made it north of Timaru.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
If you can get an onion sausage in Auckland, love
to hear from you on oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
It is twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
We're talking about fish and chips and that fish and
chip shop up north that is charging four fifty for
thirty four chips. Someone counted them out. That's a lot.
But I'm also talking about onion sausages, as I'm tend
to do on Please report the onion sausage has made it,
at least as far as christ Church people, a thing
of beauty. It is too Yeah yeah, Holy Cow and

(01:32:47):
Cambridge they make the best onion sausages ever. Wow. Okay,
someone else says deep fried haggis with curry sauce for
the one. Wow, deep it's bold. Is that a real thing?
I guess can you get? Surely you can't get a
deep fried a chip on New Zeal I'd like to
try that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
We'll take that person back and find out who offers that. Hey,
your Pamela, how are you?

Speaker 9 (01:33:09):
God?

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
How much did you spend on your fish and chips?

Speaker 29 (01:33:12):
I think memory it was twenty seven dollars fifty for
two pieces of snap which were decent size, one lot
of chips and a pinteapple fritter, which is enough for me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
And did you feel like that was that sounds okay
to me?

Speaker 29 (01:33:27):
It was, yeah, I don't do takeaways very often. And
then stages brought out fish and chips. But actually the
fish was really lovely. My favorite fishes is gurnered. But
my husband wanted snappers and got two PiZZ of snapper
and it was very nice, and you know, it's just
really lovely.

Speaker 20 (01:33:45):
So yeah, me cooking it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Yeah, I think we have we have a sort of
perceptional any idea of fish and chips that's out of
whack with the rest of things. We always think it's
a really cheap meal because there used to be one
do there used to be one dollar scoops? Yeah, and
so if you if, but yet that's unfair. People just
could not make a living out of the prices that
we remember from our childhood. It's something that we have.

Speaker 20 (01:34:08):
Is that back in the ste.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Yeah, well it sounds like they've got it pretty bad
in Brisbane. Just got back from Brisbane sixty nine dollars
for two snapper, one bettered sausage, three potato fridders and
two scoops of chips.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
That's a lot, and that's Ossie Bucks as well, Pamela.
Just on your your pineapple, Fridda, do you get a
bit of cinnamon on that? Cinnamon and sugar?

Speaker 16 (01:34:33):
Yes?

Speaker 29 (01:34:34):
Oh yes, I gotta have the cinnamon sugar.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Do you forget? Do you ever throw an onion sausage
in there, Pamela?

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
No, no, I know that wasn't into the onion sausages.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
That was the that was that was too much Christ
was too much of Pamela.

Speaker 18 (01:34:49):
She was out lost there mate, good, thank you.

Speaker 30 (01:34:54):
I'm going to tell you about Toby's and west Orban
that there's a couple of them around, but the one
we got is on the Rude Hill's Road in mess Yeah,
gone back always. I think I last with our fish
and chips. I wasn't very good at buying anything but
three snapper, one chips, one lot of dollars for three

(01:35:16):
fritters and two sausages for the dogs, and and that
ended up being twenty seven eighty. I think you want
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Wow, Toby's. That's is that Toby's Seafood? I think, yeah,
shout out to Toby's Seafood. That that's that, that's very
that is value for money. Three Red Holes Road, massy Auckland.
I'm like its E three two, five, five eight eight.
If you want to put an order in tonight's.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Good shout out. I'll tell you what, Paul. I'm looking
at the combos number four thirteen bucks, two fish of
the day, two squid rings, two battered muscles, two crabsticks,
and three dollar chips. That is value. That is value.

Speaker 30 (01:35:55):
Yeah, and you know they are very generous. I'm telling you,
when you asked for a scoop and chips, you want
to get a scoop and a half. We always have
left savors because they always just three fish.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:36:06):
Sometimes they might think, I.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Mean, wow, Toby's seafood. Good on you. Hey, I've got
a question for you, Paul. And this may seem trivial,
but do you are you shoving your your battered fish
into tomato sauce? Hell no, no, Yeah, I used to
do that. I used to do that. I used to

(01:36:33):
really aggravate my mum when she did When I did that,
I don't know. She was like, fish doesn't go on
tomato sauce. Hot dogs do. Yeah, yeah, but then you
just tasting tomato sauce.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
What about tatia.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
I'd never heard of Tatia.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
Pretty fancy. Oh one hundred eighty is the number to call.
We've got the headlines coming up, and then after that
we're going to have a chat to very great New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
That's route, that's route. So I'm getting punished for my
pronunciation and now I'm not even getting right right. That's route,
that's right rout Tyler. We're talking to ex All Blacks
captain Karen Reid of about the game this weekend against
Italy and the season as a whole. How do we
rate the All Blacks and Razor and how's everything going.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
Looking forward to that? It is bang on hp US three.

Speaker 9 (01:37:24):
You talk savy headlines with blue bubble taxi is it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Plans for a five
hundred million dollar upgrade at Wellington Airport could create more
connections on the world stage, with blueprints for an extended
runway that could allow direct flights to more overseas destinations.
State owned enterprise Land Corp, also known as PAMU Farms,

(01:37:47):
has skyrocketed its earnings expectations from eight million dollars to
twenty five to forty million. Prime Minister Chris Luxon says
it's not acceptable for ministers to call people names in parliament.
Education Minister Ericas Stanford is apologized in the House personally
to jan Toinetti and to the Prime Minister after denigrating

(01:38:10):
the labor MP j Antonetti under her breath. Contact's new
geothermal power station opened at Tohara today. In their topor,
it costs nine hundred and twenty four million dollars after
delays and cost blowouts, and can par about two hundred
thousand homes. Why do we cry the science behind human tears,

(01:38:31):
explained Seymour at ends and Herald Premium back to matte
Ethan Tyler Adams, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
You very much, Ray Lean. So the All Blacks v Italy,
of course, Sunday nine ten am kickoff the last game
of their Northern tour. It's gonna be a doozy so
to chat about this, We've got on Kieran Reid, former
All Blacks captain, Gee Kieren.

Speaker 27 (01:38:53):
Hey guys, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Good thanks. I socket now, last time's.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
You had to get that one in there?

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
There's one socket, yeah, just one, just one socket. I
socket's read. Last time we played itly we put ninety
six on there. Why here's Razor such a strong side.
I don't know.

Speaker 27 (01:39:14):
Actually I'm a little bit missed. I think, you know,
even at Lee's recent results, right, they lost by susteed Argentina,
I think to Pan beat them. So look, I don't
think we're in any threat. I'm not too sure. I
think it's just like, man, we're playing really well. We've
had three great weeks up there. Maybe he's like, let's

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bank a number one, keep the boys confidence up, hiding
its next year.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Yeah, if or when we win this, Kieran, how do
you think the season will be remembered?

Speaker 27 (01:39:46):
Yeah, I think it's you know, I think we got
to the point now where we're not it's not all
about outcomes, right, and it's just about when it's about,
you know, where where the process is going it with
this team. So I think we're going to be pretty happy.
You know, twice to Saska we lost over there, which
which is not too surprising given though they were champs,
you know, and we've trend it upwards. So that's you can,

(01:40:09):
I guess asked for from a team with a new
coaching staff, a lot of new players. So definitely, this
tour has been really successful. For us, and probably more
so around our performances, to be honest, So you know
we've actually shine a bit more cohesion, a bit more
timing it within our squad, which was probably lacking for
a good part of the season so far.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Now that's a bit off topic, but what do you
think about the video referee decisions in the French game?
Do you agree with my calls that I've been making
on Matt and Tyler afternoons on ZB that we get
rid of all the video decisions and just go with
the on field decisions so the game flows and we
can celebrate tries when they happen and we're not constantly
being confused and taken back to things that we don't understand.

Speaker 27 (01:40:53):
Yeah, that's a good point, Maddie. I'm not too sure.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
I'm torn.

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
I get it.

Speaker 27 (01:41:00):
It's frustrating and I'll get frustoed too watching it. I
think personally, I think of the TMO. It wants to
rule on something. He's got a rule on it, and
not get the rest to run down the other end
and look at a bit make it like so you
come down, You've got twenty seconds post live right because

(01:41:20):
you're watching the game. If you think it's a yellow
card or you think it's a penalty, say penalty and
we go back to it and it's banged straight away.
That happens. You can't say, let's look at it. I
think it's got to be one or the other. So
that's I think maybe the way to keep it going,
you know. But yeah, it's it is frustrating when it
gets so stop start. I think, Yeah, what I like

(01:41:42):
to see. It's like, man, make it, make a decision,
and that's what the rest on the field are doing.
There's more. It's a vibe game in some ways I
think it'd be so you just got to you still
got to kind of have that for a bit of
flow in it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Yeah, I'm a big fan of the vibe. Vibe try.
It's the vibe that it was a try it is
right then, let's just award it right then so we
can all all celebrate at that time. Hey, so, Karen read,
how do you think the All Black's future is looking at?
Are you happy with how we're building one hundred?

Speaker 20 (01:42:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:42:09):
I think so. I was very lucky to be up
in the UK and in Ireland and got along to
a training up up there in Dublin. And chucked on
the boots actually and showed the boys not really but
still got it. Did my best on the wing mate,
and just just an old body to be honest in
a way. But like it was interesting to see that

(01:42:31):
they look bloody young to me, to be honest, some
of those boys. So but you see, the individual performances
have been really fantastic. You know, a guy like Peopu
for me, has stepped up immensely this year in the
second row. All the teacher is obviously going to be fantastic.
We've got great halfbacks, Cameroy guard, Cortiers, Ratzma will play

(01:42:53):
for ten years and duck quick they run, and so
I think we'll be able to change our game a
little bit to utilize these guys in the future. And
so what we've seen so much is these great individual performances. Georgie,
it was great this year, but we didn't really see
our team come together. So I think we've just finally
seen the boys kind of understand Razor, you know how

(01:43:15):
he works, and I think it's starting to come together.
And I think it's been it's been a reasonably successful
year in that essence. So yeah, plenty plenty upside for
the lads.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
Yeah, it's feeling good, so obviously we're going to win
this game. But score predictions, what is it ninety six
seventeen last time?

Speaker 27 (01:43:34):
Yes, score predictions. I don't know. I never chuck out
of score. You're going to get me doing that. Make
when we jump on it and it won't it won't happen.
But look, yeah we won't and it will be comfortable. Yeah,
you know, the thing is probably the last game kind
of you know, there's think thoughts are home put together
on the plane, but I think the boys are kind
of at that stage where they know they want to

(01:43:56):
put in a good performance. Obviously that he's named a
strong side, we start well, you know, the floodgates could open,
which I hope that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
At least going Yeah, thanks Razor, thanks for putting putting
out this field. You possibly good on the back. That's
Karen Ice Socket's read ex All Black Captain and great
New Zealander.

Speaker 14 (01:44:14):
Thanks mate, should go.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
Go well mate, one right, great chat. What's your prediction
for the All Blacks for Italy?

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
I never do predictions. I'm like Karen Reid, you know,
don't put me on the spot. I'm like Karen Reid.
We'll smash them. It'll be, it'll be, it will be
at least sixty. We'll put at least sixty on them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
Yeah, looking forward to that nine ten am kickoff for that,
but at this time for Topical Tune. So this is
a part of the show where.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Yeah, that's right, Tyler, everyone's favorite part of the week,
the Topical Tune where Tyler and II we pick a
song from a topic of the week and then we
put it to the phones. Eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty first to three votes wins. It's currently sitting at
five two to me. He did win last week and

(01:45:01):
my surprize victory it was closed. So because you won
last week, you get to go first in pitching your song.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Well, so there was a bit of chat about nuclear
energy in New Zealand this week, and I've picked a
song that's not quite about nuclear energy, but it was
about nuclear war and the recklessness, arrogance and incompetence that
could happen in those situations. But it's a fantastic song here.

Speaker 25 (01:45:24):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
Ninety nine Luft to Balloons from Nina. Fantastic chune.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
Yeah, well, I'm going to call you up on that
because we were talking about nuclear fish and we weren't
talking about nuclear weapons. And I think you're muttering the
waters there. And I think that's part of the problem
we've got with people bringing nuclear into New Zealand, is
that people are conflating those two things. So I think
people will take that into account when they vote. My
song go here we Go my song. The topic of

(01:46:02):
the week is we've got a new commissioner. Commissioner Richard
Felix Chambers is to the police right now, and a
lot of smart people are noticing how much he looks
like Sam J. Jones, the star of the nineteen eighty
sci fi film Flash Gordon, which had a fantastic theme
tune from one of the greatest bands of all time,

(01:46:24):
Queen Absolute Chance. Here we go, Felix Chambers, Savior of
the Police Force.

Speaker 17 (01:46:45):
Here we go?

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
Okay, SOO hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number?

Speaker 11 (01:46:51):
Call?

Speaker 8 (01:46:52):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Is that Tyler's I can't even remember what the tune was.
It say I love the balloon on the nuclear issue
or Flash Gordon on the Richard Felix Chambers issue.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
I reckon I'm going to get an absolute downtrail here
in my favorite say.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
Absolute downtrail in your favor.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
Yeah, yeah, I went. I'll take my pants off as well. Okay,
eighty ten is it? It is eighteen four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Matteeth Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred Tyler
Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
Be topical tunes are quick resets. My song today, great
little German number. That is a tune Tier Congratulations ninety
nine Left a Balloons that's on.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
The issue of nuclear power and will it ever come
to New ZEALANDEP Hopefully nuclear war never comes to New Zealand,
which is what that song is actually talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
Yeah, yeah, you got them.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
But my tune is based around the new police Commissioner
Richard Felix Chambers. He looks a lot like the star
of the nineteen eighty sci fi movie Fledsh Gordon, which
may be considered an obscure reference, but I backed the tune.
Here we go, Felix Chambers, save you over the police force.

(01:48:13):
I'm gonna try and head it on time. Here good,
you gotta wait for me to head it on time.

Speaker 23 (01:48:17):
Felix dammit, Chambers, save you the thanks. He's got a
question the letter. It's a disaster, right I one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. If you can't get through, keep trying.
Here we go, Matthew, who do you think?

Speaker 26 (01:48:31):
Oh, Thil's no chance, Matt.

Speaker 14 (01:48:33):
Fire all my man?

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Oh yeah, Lush, I love you.

Speaker 19 (01:48:38):
But what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
Thank you so much? Mith?

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
It cheers, Meth you won for Meddie get Andrew.

Speaker 13 (01:48:45):
Good afternoon team.

Speaker 27 (01:48:46):
I'm going with matt.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
There you go, you trouble Tyler, A couple of great.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
Troy, how you doing this afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
Tyler?

Speaker 19 (01:48:56):
Is no doubt it has to be ninety nine?

Speaker 20 (01:49:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
That even something else? I mean it is a great song.
Flo I'll give you that much.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
Yeah, thank you, thank It's a great song. Thank you,
Troy James. What are you reckon today?

Speaker 6 (01:49:08):
Well?

Speaker 20 (01:49:08):
I'm not the pop balloon here, mate, but I have
to go with question.

Speaker 19 (01:49:13):
Queen, Queen man, queen.

Speaker 11 (01:49:18):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
Thank you so much. Hipopped ninety nine, sift off belongs
and the victory.

Speaker 19 (01:49:23):
Is to me?

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
Yeah, well done. What this is going to be? Memories
a flashcard and six two sex two? What is going
on here?

Speaker 27 (01:49:30):
What is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
What an absolute tune? And you're seeing Felix Chambers savor
of the police force yourself because I can't hit it
in time.

Speaker 11 (01:50:01):
Extra to collected s. Why did any explanations.

Speaker 20 (01:50:16):
This morning?

Speaker 11 (01:50:17):
Un president?

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
A solar eclipse is no cause for along.

Speaker 11 (01:50:28):
This stand, Flash of garden approaching?

Speaker 19 (01:50:42):
What do you mean?

Speaker 14 (01:50:44):
Flash golden approaching? Over fall.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Dispatched more Rocketey Jackson to bring back his body.

Speaker 14 (01:51:04):
Gordon see.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
He said, just man.

Speaker 5 (01:51:18):
Best Cottage, good mom.

Speaker 12 (01:51:25):
Man, fir.

Speaker 17 (01:51:49):
Whe w have you?

Speaker 13 (01:51:51):
We only have fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Hours to save the earth.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Street absolute tune is flash. I love you, but we
only have fourteen hours to save the earth. The greatest worst,
greatest worst line.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
Of great and well done, mate. It is nice memories
springing that back.

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
There you go, and I hope Felix Chambers loves that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
Yeah, just as quick text. This segment is more rerigged
than a Jake poul fight. Have do I agree?

Speaker 5 (01:52:31):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
How dare you?

Speaker 14 (01:52:33):
Is?

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
We just go to the phones. I can't help it
if people love me more than they love Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
Considering I'm controlling the phones. Yeut of it is that
wrecked right? Coming up very shortly, we have a chat
with Dars about his top three sporting events for the weekends.
It is ten to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 14 (01:52:57):
Afternoons you for twenty twenty four US Talk, said B,
said B.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
Almost happy hour and a finish of the show. We
got Darcy water Grave and Studio Mace.

Speaker 31 (01:53:07):
Your cheap drinks?

Speaker 13 (01:53:08):
Am I.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
Play?

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
I'm happy?

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
What can I do for you?

Speaker 31 (01:53:13):
Find men?

Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
What are your top three sporting events for the weekend?

Speaker 31 (01:53:18):
Well, I would like to touch on race cars on
blood Sport, and they know that's not the All Blacks
taking on it, and of course taking on itally that
that's the end of the season for the All Blacks.
And as we know, this team is phenomenally strong. This

(01:53:41):
is a bazookah to a knighte fight. And when we
know what Razor wants to achieve, he's going to put
an exclamation mark on the end of the season.

Speaker 17 (01:53:50):
Like there we go.

Speaker 31 (01:53:51):
You just take that to the beach with you and
remember who's running this show. So it's pretty brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
If had a different team, if we hadn't lost against France, I.

Speaker 31 (01:54:03):
Get the feeling that he wants to finish with a band.
You know what, I don't think he's particularly sentimental character.
No we know what he's done previously with the Crusaders.
Was it when White Crockett you're tired? Did they pick
him for the last couple of games? But we really
wanted do you sit over there? It's pretty brutal, so
I think we'll see that. Great to see Sam Caine

(01:54:23):
for his last game. TJ Pittinara that considering the state
of the opposition, who got nearly one hundred points put
on them by Foster's team last time around at the
World Cups, I expect a statement of intent and this
is what this team says. And that of course is
early hours of early hours early for me because I'm lazy.
Team past nine on Sunday morning. Elliott Smith is our man.

(01:54:45):
He has called on News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Z B and iHeart that's a nice time for rugby, yeah,
and not so bad.

Speaker 31 (01:54:50):
Also other stuff to watch as well. Plainly I love
mixed martial arts and I'm really looking forward to Carlos
the Black jag Alburg fighting this weekend. It's around about
half past twelve Sunday morning, that fight on ESPN. He
lost his first fight in the big event and he's
gone on six on the bounce now, so he's got

(01:55:11):
a big fight coming up, and Macau looking.

Speaker 13 (01:55:13):
Forward to that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
See the favorite. Well, I haven't looked.

Speaker 31 (01:55:17):
At the numbers at the odds because if I do,
I'll climb straight in, so it's.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
Very important I don't.

Speaker 31 (01:55:21):
It's he's the tenth ranked fighter taking on the eighth
ranked fighter whose name just escapes me. A very professional.
He is a Swiss fighter. But I think what we've
got with Oldbergers, he's not fourt in a year. He
had one fight twelve seconds. It's as long as it took,
absolutely wasted men in field. It was quite extraordinary. But

(01:55:44):
here's a guy on the up and arp and someone
that I hate to say it, but he's a good
fighter and he's a handsome bugger too, so they like him.
And one last thing, yep, Formula one in Las Vegas
and that is running right now practice and that is
at seven o'clock on Sunday evening. Everyone's eyes are on
Liam Lawson and what he can achieve over there an America.

Speaker 3 (01:56:06):
Oh good, enjoy that, Darcy w That is us for
this week. Mat What a week.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Yeah, fantastic week. Have a great weekend, Love you all,
and hey, give them a taste of keywek.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
I'm so glad to be part of this program. You
know makes joining this not yeah yeah now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
Mate, yeah, an integral part of the table. I love you, Darcy.

Speaker 25 (01:56:26):
You're come weeg in, you know we again? How long reisodes?
But think I've added up until the wee again? If
on we again, if on the weekend.

Speaker 14 (01:56:43):
Eath and Tyler Adams.

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What trade your sent J Just use the code flack
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