Full Show Podcast: 23 July 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 23rd of July 2025, so much talk about butter - and even a TV reporter chasing the boss of Fonterra down the street! Why are we so obsessed?

Then memories of Ozzy Osbourne - a reality TV pioneer.

And to finish, an odd comment from champion golfer Scotty Scheffler on getting enjoyment out of life when you the reach the pinnacle. 

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello. Podcast one six seven Matt and Tyler Full Show
podcast for Wednesday, the twenty third of July twenty twenty five.
Interesting old show got a bit heated with people that
are very angry at butter. I don't quite get it.
I don't quite get why people care so much about butter.
I'll probably buy one block every two weeks, but apparently
it's the end of the world if butter is a
bit more expensive. Also, some lovely tributes to Ozzy Osbourne.

(00:39):
What a great man. And then we took a real
philosophical slant at the end, looking into what is happiness
in this world? And yeah, some great, absolutely wonderful texts
and phone calls, So it was a very positive end
to the show.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
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Speaker 1 (01:01):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Talk said the.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Welcome into the show. Great to have your company on
this Wednesday after noon. Thank you very much for listening
as always, get a.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Matt, great to be here, Thanks so much for having
us where you are, where you are across the country.
Three hours carefully cobbled together for you coming.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Up absolutely now. I didn't want to rate the calls
over this one too much, but I was stuck in
that god awful traffic jam yesterday in Auckland. So how
many Aucklanders were stuck in that when they had to
shut down a part of the motorway because they found
a body and a potentially a bomb. Turned out it
wasn't a BOTBM so good news, but jeep.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
But it was a body.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
It was a body.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Not great news.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
No, it's not great news. You're quite right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
But being stuck in that traffic jam and I started
to get worked up, and everyone around me is getting
worked up, and things are getting pretty hairy because people
are making stupid decisions. But then, and not to blow
smoke up, you who harm, Matt, But I was thinking
about that chapter in your book where you mentioned that
breathing technique by Andrew Huberman about and what do they
call it? It's something sort of so but I know

(02:08):
how to do it.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
The physiological sigh yep.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
So I did the old yeah, and then instantly at
bloody work, I just felt better that there's nothing I
can do about this situation, and I just wanted to
wind down the window and scream at everybody just breathe,
just breathe. It will be a right.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
It's amazing how well it works, and it's obvious because
you know, your mum tells you that since you're a
little kid, that if you get stressed, just to have
a few breaths. But if you do a big, big
intake through your nose and then one more sniff and
then blow it out, so you pretty much blow out
longer than you're inhaled, and you do that three times
and you will de stress.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Absolute, that traffic jam.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Absolutely God. I just was reading the thing yesterday. I'll
find it and share it with you, but it's from
a few years ago. It went viral and it was
this Australian woman who was dying of cancer. In twenty
four hours before she died, she wrote this little message
to people. And I'll share it later on the show
when I find it because I want to do justice
to it. You've probably seen it, but it's worth going
to again. I think the last name's Butler, but anyway,

(03:07):
it's something that they're that I decided when I read
it last night that I was going to try and
repeat to myself when I got really stressed. It was
about life and the importance of life and stuff. But
another thing that I've just learned recently. Yes, so you
know how you've got two sides of your brain.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, if you're getting stressed and confused and you don't
like this mental state, you run once you've done that
breathing if any maybe you don't even want you don't
have time, it's a weird place to breathe. Whatever. Just
try looking completely to the left and then completely the
right with your eyeballs and this thought go back and forth.
Do that three or four times, and that will de

(03:42):
stress you as well, because it's heavily activating both sides
of the brain separately. So if you turn massively to
the left bestically the left, the right side of your
brain gets really activated. You go that our way and
the other side does, and it brings perspective into the situation.
You win. It's sort of a really good reset.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Love this stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
So the physiological side back sniffing on your nose, then
a one more sniff and then do that three times
and if that's still not working, fang your eyeballs to
either side. But I swear to God, it will make
you deal with traffic.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
This is what we need in the modern life. Right
to today's show after three o'clock, Scottie Scheffler. He made
headlines around the world, not for his golf priories, even
though he is one of the best golfers we've ever seen,
but the comments he made after a spectacular win. It
was the post media stand up, and here's the quote
he said, it feels like you work your whole life

(04:37):
to celebrate winning a tournament for like a few minutes.
It only lasts a few minutes that kind of euphoric feeling,
then you go back to the mundane aspects of life.
It's a hell of an insight from someone who is
at the top of his game in his chosen field
of golf.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, it's a mistake that we have in life that
we think that when we reach our goals, that are
suddenly going to be happy in all our situations will disappear.
I mean, it's happened to a whole lot of people.
You know rock stars, when they reach the top, they
suddenly go all, I'm here, Why have I still got
my problems? You win lotto, people go oh, I thought
if I won lot O everything would be happy. It's

(05:14):
not the case. Which is an interesting chat about how
you've doubt with success and when you reach the goals
and how does it feel and if you ever managed
to actually find full satisfaction in your life. It'll be
an interesting chat because amazing to hear that from a
guy at the absolute top of his game.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
He's got it all. Yeah, that's after three o'clock. After
two o'clock, Ozzy Osbourne, the howling singer, mare cap showman
and self anointed Prince of Darkness, sad news this morning
that he has passed away surrounded by family. But we
want to have a chat to you about the legacy
of Ozzy Osbourne.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I thought this was a great comment from Adam Sandler,
the comedian, talking about his time thinking about Ozzie Osbourne.
Whether we were in our basements with our brothers, in
the woods, with our buddies in the car, at a
keg party, on a boat, at a football practice, at
a sleepopen, nobody was more bad, asked to crank up
on our speakers than the one and only Prince of Darkness.
Ozzie Osbourne. Loved him a lot like we all did,

(06:07):
sending love to was family and so happy to have
spent time with the legend himself Black Sabbath, my God,
such an important band in my life.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
And when we talk about the legacy and how you
remember Ozzie Osmund, however you remembered in such a reality
tiefs incredible musician both by himself and then solo. But
also I've got a story to tell about an incident
in Camden when I saw Ozzy Osborne take a life.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, that's a great story that is coming up after
two o'clock. But right now, let's have a chat about
the price of butter. Everybody in New Zealand it seems
like he's freaking out about the price of butter. The
Finance Minister Nichola Willis says she's yet to or set
to sit down with the Fonterra head Myles Hrald to
have a chat about the price of butter. And a
big piece in the news last night with Mikey Sherman
chasing him down the street to ask about the price

(06:55):
of butter.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, let's listen to this. But bear in mind that
Miles Hrrell is the CEO of Fonterra. He's a private citizen.
He's not a politicians. He's just going about his business
and listen to this.

Speaker 6 (07:08):
Hello, Hi, could we stop and have a proper chat?
Is that all right?

Speaker 7 (07:12):
Just halfway to another meeting to the month?

Speaker 6 (07:14):
Is eight dollars too much to pay for a block
of butter?

Speaker 7 (07:17):
Let me talk to Minister Willis.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
Do you think you're ripping Keywi's off? Are you ripping
keys off when it comes to butter? What sort of
margins are you asking for on the price of butter?

Speaker 8 (07:28):
Let me let me let me talk to Minzuela this afternoon.
And I told you're giving in to you at some point.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
Is it Fonterra putting the prices of butter up or
is it supermarkets?

Speaker 8 (07:37):
It's not appropriate I get into that conversation with you, but.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
You have to admit that it's a big issue to
Kiwis all across the country at the moment.

Speaker 7 (07:44):
Yeah, of course it is. So let me let me
talk to the minister this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Wow, So is it a big issue for kiwis all
across the country at the moment? Is it worthy? The
price of butter worthy the amount of time that we
are spending on it. Can someone please explain to me
how much butter do we need to consume this TEXI
here say's lots of people are doing it tough out there.
The price of butter reflects the cost of living under
national Please pleased that you guys can afford to feed

(08:11):
your families though, But you don't need butter to feed
your families.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
No, I don't buy butter.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
So inflation is currently in the range that we want
it to be between two and three percent, and I
think people must understand inflation went right up to pushing
eight percent, right, Yeah, people don't. I think I'm misunderstanding,
as inflation comes down to the band we wanted it
and we don't want it to be zero. Us the
economy is in a very bad position to so we

(08:37):
need inflation to be going up slightly. But that doesn't
mean that you jump back to the prices from five
years ago. No, that's not how it works. And it's
still going up and so from the base rate, but
it's not going up as much right, So across the board,
inflation is sitting around in the band between two and
two and three percent where the Reserve Bank is aiming
to keep it at So is butter really that burger

(08:59):
of an issue? How much butter do you have in
a week? Tyler?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I'd buy a block maybe every month, but then again
I don't know because I don't consume that much butter.
And that it's a good point when you mentioned that
this morning, and think how much butter are people eating
on a week to have that much of an impact
on their daily lives. What are you buying ten blocks
of butter a week? So it's crossing you one hundred
bucks a week. I mean, even if you're buying a
block of butter a week, that's ten dollars. Look, genuinely,

(09:23):
I can say this is that there's some things that
have become a bit more expensive considering their joy that
I get from it at the supermarket. So I just
take them off the list. It's not the end of
the world. I just look at and think, you know what,
I can't I can't really justify spending twenty dollars on
that can butcher this week, so I'm not going to
buy it anymore.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
So maybe the cost of butter. And look, I'd love
to hear from you if you disagree with me. And
I'm missing something o Waite undred and eighteen eighty love
to have it explained. But the way Mikey Sherman is
haranguing Miles Hurrell as he walks down the street as
if he's involved in some major scandal, as if he's

(09:59):
done some piece of wrongdoing. It's fair go. And he's
ripped some people off outside, he's broken the law. It's
a major political scandal. He's not a member of parliament.
He's not accountable to the people. In the same way,
if he doesn't want to talk to you, he doesn't
have to. But how can things have got so heated
in this country about butter that most people in the

(10:20):
text machine are saying, good on her, good honor. This
guy needs to be how to account? Isn't it he
just doing his job. I just cannot get it into
my head. How how this has got to the point
where people think it's okay. He's not being rude, He's
just saying I'll get back to you.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
I mean, it is a strange situation where the moral
outrage has been focused so much on butter. I mean,
pick any product in the supermarket, olive oil. Are we
going to start chasing down the head of Olivanni to
say what the hell are you doing to this country?
It just doesn't we just focus on one single product
and then everybody loses a collective mind because butter costs
eight dollars ninety five akilo. I mean, it doesn't make

(11:01):
any sense to me, particularly when it's not a staple.
It is not a staple for a lot of people
out there.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
But that's just my opinion. If yours is different, or
or if it's the same, I get really one hundred
eighty ten eighty is as Mikey Schuman has said, butter
a big issue for kiwis across the country at the moment.
Is it worth spending this much emotional weight and time
and political capital.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
On the phones have led up? Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. If you can't get through, keep trying.
It is seventeen past one.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
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Speaker 3 (11:41):
Be very good afternoon to your nineteen past one. So
the text machine has exploded. The calls of full boy.
You can't get through, but I one hundred and eighty
ten eighty keep trying as we go through the calls.
But so many people want to talk about the price
of butter and whether we are losing our mind about
how serious it actually is.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, and look, I just someone can explain to me
the people that's saying, all very well for you with
your jobs, but there are people going hungry out there.
You don't need to buy butter to feed your family.
How much butter are you spreading on your freaking toast?
How much baking are you doing that butter is bankrupting you?
Luxury at ten dollars?

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, it's only so much buttery you can put on
your piece of toast anyway.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
But as I say, could be totally wrong. Love to
hear your opinion. Unfortunately, the phones don't work, can't turn
them on? No, okay, Well, I mean that should be
that's this should be the main thing worrying people as
talk about hosts that can't turn their phone on.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, William, out there we go.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
William, welcome to the show. Sorry about it?

Speaker 9 (12:45):
Look, yeah, goode.

Speaker 10 (12:46):
Look, I'm just ringing up because yesterday I went to
pack and save Manka and did my normal shop, you know,
and over three hundred dollars, three hundred and sixty four
dollars as a matter of fact, and you know, only
about three three or four shopping bags.

Speaker 9 (13:01):
Butter was over ten dollars.

Speaker 10 (13:04):
This was anchor Butter over ten dollars and just didn't
buy it. Is the first time in my life that
I haven't bought butter. I do have a bit left
in the fridge, but I bought a couple of packs
of the the you know, the olive oil spread instead
whatever three dollars seventy four and I just don't think
I'm gonna buy butter. I mean, I've got by cholesterol

(13:26):
as it is. I mean, not a great idea.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Do you think you'll survive without butter? Do you think
you'll survive without butter?

Speaker 9 (13:33):
William, Well, look there's plenty of people to do baking.
It's a standard Kiwi, it's a Kiwi standard dairy products butter.
And it's double the price it was last year it
was only four to seventy four. Remember very well, pans
butter anchor might have been over five bucks.

Speaker 11 (13:49):
But it's doubled.

Speaker 10 (13:49):
The price in the year.

Speaker 9 (13:51):
So that's why people have pissed offed. And it's not
only that that.

Speaker 12 (13:54):
It's the butter.

Speaker 10 (13:55):
It's sendicative of this idea that's only there. You know,
the cost of living index is only two point three
percent or three percent or whatever.

Speaker 13 (14:03):
That's rubbish.

Speaker 10 (14:04):
Food prices have escalated, you know, forty five dollars for
a kilo for steaks.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah. But but but but you've got would you admit
William that that's that as we've got we've had inflation, right,
so there's there's inflation and then we've had it for
a while. Yeah. No, but but for inflation doesn't work
like that. It keeps going up. So at one point
it was seven point five percent.

Speaker 10 (14:25):
Tell me about it. Yeah, I'm sixty five years It
needs to want to fixed.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Income, it needs to be going up at least two percent.

Speaker 14 (14:32):
It leeds to needs to.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, absolutely, the economy, the economy is. The economy does
not work.

Speaker 9 (14:38):
Growing and growing and growing and growing.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Well, it is otherwise like how it works.

Speaker 9 (14:45):
It's just how it works.

Speaker 15 (14:46):
You suck it.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Up, mate, Yeah, exactly, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
It rubbish. What do you think what do you think
would happen if you know it the same. Yeah, what
do you think would happen?

Speaker 16 (14:58):
Well, I think, you know, if you had better.

Speaker 10 (15:00):
Controls, and you know, in terms of regulatory controls on
companies like fign Terror, you know, then certainly you'd be
so looking at so you think, not subsidizing them as
much and basically keeping prices under control. And I think
there needs to be more done.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
So do you think, William, do you think we should
go back to you know, sort of the Muldoon era
where we bought the government bought a certain amount of
butter off the farmers to sell back to the people.

Speaker 10 (15:28):
I don't think that's necessary at all, but I think
there can be a better price controls. Look, there's going
to be a conversation from the sounds of the ad
that you did before, you know, somebody's some journalist was questioning,
presumingly somebody from Fonterra or from a supermarket or whatever
it was.

Speaker 16 (15:43):
I only just caught this tail end of it.

Speaker 10 (15:45):
And I guess they're going in to talk to the
minister this afternoon quote unquote, So maybe they'll back down
with the ridiculous prices because it's.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
William, how would they buy the product? But can I
just ask you a question. How do you think that
the price of butter should come down? How do you
think fon Terra should back down? Because we are a
nation that believes in free trades, so there is a
global price of the butter. So either we force the
farmers to sell butters to New Zealand at a lower price,

(16:14):
or we I mean, we've forced fon Terra to do that.
But then then we're we're essentially running tariffs, aren't we,
So then we're then we're open to retaliation from other
company countries.

Speaker 10 (16:24):
Donald Trump is good enough for everybody else's tariff. Absolutely,
if that's how you want to phrase it. Put a
tariff on them. I think that for the benefit of
domestic consumption. I think that that's right, and they can
make that, they can make a killing on the on
the market, but the domestic market needs to be I
think protected. We've got a lot of inflation going on

(16:46):
that's not reported correctly. In my opinion, even as we speak,
I see prices going up, going up, and you know,
incomes aren't and butter is just a trigger point.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, okay, well thank you for that, William.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
But just on the price controls and having a price sealing.
I mean, we know history has shown that that doesn't work.
What that means is that you still to have shortages
of that product as supplies are discouraged from producing it
because they're not getting the price that it costs them
to produce the product. I mean, this is supply and demand.
That's the way the economy works. At the very difficult
situation to try and control at the government level what

(17:23):
Nikola Willis could do, or even Miles Hurel could do,
because he's answerable to the farmers.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I just don't think it's worth freaking out over butter
to the point that you would do something as intense
as you know, the New Zealand government paying the farmers
the missing margin that they make to sell in New Zealand,
or I guess you could have a surcharge on butter
exports to subsidize the local sales.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I'd feel ripped off because I don't eat that much butter.
So then what more of my money is going to
butter that I don't need?

Speaker 7 (17:50):
How is that for you? Oh?

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Height one hundred and eighty ten eighty is then other
to call if you want to see a text ninety
two ninety two. There's plenty of calls coming through.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
All this does is highlight the lack of understanding people
have of economics, especially especially the journalists trying to weed
out a.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Response, Yeah, good, cool is twenty six past one back
very surely.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (18:13):
Sophe Malleneiy is the CEO of Sky Television Television New
Zealand sports Wise Now stuff, aren't they?

Speaker 6 (18:18):
No?

Speaker 4 (18:18):
I don't think so.

Speaker 17 (18:19):
How is it possible that you go to the Rugby
Union and go, we'll take some of the all Blacks
and will pop it onto TV three.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Oh hold on, no, we won't. We might sell the
TV and zaid, no you're not.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
The Rugby Union is the owner of those rights.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
So ultimately they've got a decision to make about where
they want to place some of the freezware rights.

Speaker 17 (18:34):
I don't want to bag on TV and said, but
it just means and this goes back to the ComCom thing.
You own a tremendous amount of very valuable real estate
now and for some that's hard work.

Speaker 11 (18:43):
Now.

Speaker 6 (18:44):
TVNZ are still the juggnaut though. I don't think you
can discount.

Speaker 17 (18:47):
That back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with a Vida News.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Talk z b OH.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We're talking about the price of butter. It seems to
have taken control of the psyche of the nation and
a lot of people outraged by the price of butter.
So can you hear your thoughts on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
And the thing is, it's not that it's not an
issue at all. I mean it is we would prefer
that butter wasn't so expensive, or would we? I mean,
you know, one of the only sectors that's doing very
well in our country at the moment is dairy exports,
and we need those badly. So the price of butter
is arguably a positive thing. Is you know, you could

(19:27):
look at that and go, that's good. At least something's
coming into our country because it's the global price. So
if the local price, the domestic prices is high, that
means the global price is high, which could be seen
as a positive thing. So we're not saying it's not
a problem. I'm just saying, is is it such a
massive problem that you have a a one used reporter

(19:49):
haranguing a private citizen on the street, like they've committed
a crime, like they are part of a massive scandal,
like they can change the situation.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Ye, Paul, what's your take on this?

Speaker 18 (20:03):
Yeah, well, I think we're being a little bit ridiculous
about the whole thing. I think the is a lot
more things that are concerning rather than the price of butter.
And for a little bit of a different take on it,
I think I think it actually comes down to the
fact that we're becoming quite like in America, and the

(20:23):
fact that we tend to identify ourselves on we vote for,
and so it doesn't matter what the issue is in
the press at any given time, we're going to find
something to complain about. You know, I just put forty
leaders of ninety one in my vehicle and that cost
me one hundred and twenty dollars, which should be a

(20:43):
lot more concerned about that than the price of a
five hundred grand block butter.

Speaker 19 (20:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, I mean, you spend a lot more on gas
than you do on butter. Imagine, PAULA.

Speaker 18 (20:54):
Yeah, you know, like there's more concerning things about why
are we importing Indonesian coal to run the humpy power
station when we've got perfinitely good coal reserves in our
own country and we're shut down Mars and point years
ago our only oil refinery. So now we're having a
feel offshore when we could actually be improving our own

(21:17):
economy by using those facilities that are available.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I think you're highlighting what I'm trying to say here
is that why is butter causing this amount of hysteria?
I need to something where I mix dairy and butter
and hysteria into one word. I'll try and work on it.
There needs to be saying maybe if someone can help
me with that. On nine two nine two, you're absolutely right,
But do you think that it's because it becomes a

(21:44):
political rod to beat up on the current government. And
so really what they're doing is they can take butter.
It's jumped from four to to ten bucks in a year,
so they can use that to beat It's an easy
thing for people to understand. It becomes a political thing,
and if you're on one side of the political spectrum,
you yell and scream about butter because it's an easy,

(22:05):
easy win.

Speaker 18 (22:08):
Yeah, it's exactly right, and I think it's actually at
a subconscious level. You know, I think it doesn't matter
what side of the ear you're on or which governments
and power we like to complain. I think we actually
enjoy complaining. And I mean you only have to open
Facebook or Twitter for a few minutes to confirm that.

(22:32):
You know, all we all we like to do is
argue and with each other these days. So you know,
like it could be something as ridiculous as a pothole
pop up on a side street, you know tomorrow, and
what's what's going to be next week? You know, like this,
but this butter thing is going to be put to
rest and probably yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Exactly, I agree with you totally, Paul. I think in
six months we will look at a reporter haranguing the
CEO of Frontira on the street about the price. But it,
in fact, I imagine that this could make global news
if people could see that. I mean, John Oliver wouldn't
do it, but back in the day he used to
kind of make fun a little bit of New Zealand
Clive James with how we get obsessed about small issues.

(23:14):
But do you, Paul, ever question yourself because it's very
hard for people. We can we can observe the tribal
nature of politics. But when you're getting annoyed about an issue,
do you have the resolve to go, am I being
tribal on this? Or am I willing to listen to
the exact other side of this argument and make sure
that I actually care about this and I'm not just

(23:35):
trying to get a win for my team.

Speaker 18 (23:38):
Well, you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna turn
around and paint myself as the saying to that respect,
I've definitely been caught up in the tribal factor myself.
You know, I think Late, we all enjoy pushing each
other's a little buttons a little bit and probably a
bit too much. Yeah, you know, like there's a lack

(23:59):
of self awareness on that front, because you know, everybody
likes to be right, of course. Yeah, So you know,
Late quite off, quite off. You catch yourself out after
the pact.

Speaker 20 (24:11):
You know.

Speaker 18 (24:12):
Yeah, But but yeah, we've got all sorts of things
going on that are much more pressing issues, and butter
is not one of them.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Thank you for your cool.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Oh you're a good man. And that's I mean, it's
nothing new, though, was it.

Speaker 11 (24:26):
There?

Speaker 3 (24:26):
There was a couple elections ago, and I remember John
Key talking about the price of cheese. It's one of
the oldest political tricks in the book to focus on
something and make it as simplistic as possible and get
people outraged without fully understanding the wider complexities around that thing.
But is easy. A lot of people clearly buy butter,
and they get outraged by the price of butter. And
we got dairy farms here, so they say, why can't

(24:47):
we have cheap butter? But they're so simplistic, And those
politicians who are racking this up, shame on them, Shame
on Mikey Sherman.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
She's not a politician. She can do what she wants.
She's trying to sell. She's just a person that keeps
you watching between ads. So if butter is the hottestue,
then she's going to pushing it. Personally, I think that
she went too far, hassling a private citizen on the
street who hasn't actually committed a You know, it's a
different thing that has politicians, but but it's I'll try

(25:18):
and articulate this. I'll think about what I'm trying to
say here, and I'll articulate. Because we've got to go
and go into to a break but I'll come back
with it. I've got it. One thing I will say
from my perspective that the term is steel, meaning is
what we're talking to Paul about. And the idea is
if you've got you believe something, to check that you
aren't being tribal about it, you steal men the other side.
So you think about the opinion from the other side,

(25:39):
and you find the strongest opinion from the other side
and you argue it. And the great thing of working
on news talks there'd be is any opinion I throw
up there nine two nine two in the calls. They
steal men the other side of the argument because somewhere
in the middle of the truth.

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Yep, it is twenty four to two.

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Speaker 3 (27:05):
Thank you very much, Raylean. We're talking about the price
of butter and the national outrage over how much it's
costing to buy a block of butter at the supermarket.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
And I was looking for a word for it and
got a few come through A nineteen nine two. People
are clever, aren't they. Hysteria love that it's hysteria and
dairy hysteria. But hysteria hysteria. Yeah, Dearia around the butter price,
as this Texas says, butter, Seriously, my main increase is
a gas, electricity, food and general insurances, cost of getting tradesmen, etc.

(27:34):
They are the real issues, not the cost of one
food item, you know, and especially that one food item,
the butter, is actually great for our economy. So on
the other hand, the other side of it, it means
that some money is coming in at a very very
difficult time. Matt, maybe he should have just answered the
questions since nations asking do you write wing apologists have

(27:54):
a club you belong to God. That's the first time
I've ever been called a right wing apologist. Are you serious? Mate?
Half the bloody text machine calls me a communist. Half
the text machine calls me a right wing apologist. Listen.
He doesn't have to answer the question. He was very
polite to her and she kept going and going going.

(28:15):
He's a private citizen. He is doing his job, which
is to make as much money as he can for
the farmers, for fon Terra. That's that's his job. So
if he doesn't want to talk to you, he doesn't
owe you anything. He doesn't own. Mikey Sherman to get
her content for the one used that night.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
It's theatrics, that's that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
And I agree with Paul before it because it's easy play.
It's it's easy. It's easy, easy play, you go, but
it is up. Let's harangue this guy. It's it's an
easy target.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Spot on Morris.

Speaker 22 (28:51):
How are you.

Speaker 16 (28:53):
Lads?

Speaker 20 (28:54):
That's as close to my heart, you know, Mikey Sherman,
I thought she was running for the married parted the
way she behaved that was shameful, absolutely shameful.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
What's it good to do with the Maulti party.

Speaker 20 (29:04):
Well, she behaves like they behave in parliament, which is awful.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
But anyway, it's a bit of a stretch. Mars.

Speaker 19 (29:11):
Oh, it's like a hacker in front of him.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
He works with and we don't want to subsize New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
That's miles off the topic, buddy, Yeah, yeah, I mean,
love you Morris, but genuous.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, it takes it away from the topic that we're
talking about.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Look, you know, collect your thoughts without all that peripheral
unrelated issue stuff and you give us the ring back
ter your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
Yeah, good that guys. Uh, Mikey Sharmon Sherman very naughty. Uh,
Batman didn't deserve that. I was the Osborne very sad
news price of bother. We're almost controlled by the international market.

Speaker 23 (29:54):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
People whoever right and will complain about anything that's going.
It just seems to be the way wins and kwis.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
You know where we are and.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
We just become ingin kiwis? Is that what it is?
Or have we always been keys?

Speaker 5 (30:11):
Now we've always been winsing kiwish. But that's all right
if that's what you want to do, if that's what
some people want to do. I mean, maybe I'm doing
it now windsy about it.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I was just winding about winding, which is pretty hypocritical.
You got to.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
Say, yeah, I can't think. I can't zone it on anything,
particularly the wind. I mean, butter, Butter's nice, it's good.
But you know, we're getting the money in form of
export dollars, which mean that the farmer is going to
go and buy whatever Recarpeter's house or buy you to

(30:46):
or you know whoever's and coming into contact with that
may get some benefit out of it. That way away
to increase. So I don't know, I mean, if the
people of that can send like go and buy a
cow and milk it and make them butter.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Or now you're talking.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well, someone takes before in before about how much how
easy it is to make butter with milk in a bag.
But I mean that's not like the milk's that cheap. No,
this is okay, here we go. We don't have any
calls lined up next, but full lines.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, we do have full lines, oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. If you can't get through, keep trying.
We'll play some messages and come back with more of
your calls planning if people want to have a chat
about this. It is sixteen to two.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
We'll transort out our phone lines.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Matteath Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.
Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Be very good. Afternoon it is fourteen to two and
getting a lot of calls about the price of butter.
Loved to your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Welcome to the show. Mary. Do you think this bug
butter issue is a big one? Are you part of
the hysteria?

Speaker 24 (31:58):
Yes?

Speaker 15 (31:59):
Yes, wow, not hysteria, but it certainly has talked about
because do you guys do much baking?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
No, No, my partner, my part it does a lot
of bat.

Speaker 15 (32:11):
A lot of things that you try using vargarine and
they do not come out the same. The big the
best example is probably short bread, and everyone loves short
bread with a cup of tea, Okay, And I was
going to make them to surprise my partner who's turning
up the slabs to know, But I'm not going to
make it because like it's eight dollars forty nine. I
think it is in most like New World and countdowns.

(32:34):
Locally it is at the moment, but generally when women
goes shopping, I usually see at least three or four
blocks of butter in their trolleys. R A lot of
it is. A lot of it is because of the
fact that, like I would go through a block probably
almost a week.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
So about ten bucks worth of butter a week there, Marry, Well,
we'll say we.

Speaker 15 (32:54):
Won't say ten, we'll say eight dollars forty nine.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Okay, Yeah, So that's costing you an extra four dollars
forty a week for you for your baking. Mary at
the moment, just from when it was, when it was
when it was down at four bucks about a year ago.

Speaker 15 (33:07):
Well was that five five years?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
So about three three dollars more a week.

Speaker 15 (33:12):
So I don't buy I'll only buy one at a
time now instead of like two. But I am by myself.
But you know, I've got that three people that want
me to make a cake for them, for example, a
banana cake and that has but us make it with
oil or anything like that. Or margarine. I actually bought
margarine about two months ago and I've used probably a

(33:34):
slight amount of it. It's still sitting in my fridge
because it's a taste.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Do you have you ever tried using gee butter instead
of using instead of butter.

Speaker 15 (33:45):
But that'd be a more extensive probably.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
But I mean, you sound like a really good person, Mary,
that you're baking for other people. But just in my
own instance, there's a lot of products that I can't
really justify the price of anymore, so I take them
off the grocery list and it's not really changing my
week to week that much. They are nice to have,
but I don't need them, And to me, butter is
a similar situation. It's lovely that you bake for people,
but that in the time being might be something that
you can't do, or you take something else off the

(34:09):
grocery list, so you can still buy your butter and
do your lovely baking.

Speaker 15 (34:13):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't need a lot of
meat actually, but like I eat like chicken and I
like to make buttered chicken there and again, do.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
You make a good butter?

Speaker 24 (34:22):
Check?

Speaker 2 (34:23):
And I always struggle to make a good bute of
checking at home. It's difficult, I do.

Speaker 15 (34:27):
The truck is the sauce that you put with it?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, I always miss up the sauce. It gets too
tomatow We no, no you don't.

Speaker 15 (34:36):
I'll have to send you the recipe that I use.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
And I appreciate that.

Speaker 15 (34:41):
Yeah, who do I send?

Speaker 24 (34:42):
What's your regrets?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
We'll tell you off of you.

Speaker 15 (34:45):
Oh okay, you know that's cool. But you know, definitely
seriously like bringing them because the women are the ones
that often do the baking. And honestly, I went to
England in the eighties and I actually took better from
here with me and my friends over there laughed, But
the cheapest futter over there was Irish butter, if you

(35:08):
could get it. Yeah, and we're and I hope to
make uh new zelan you know the biscuits, the inject
well you've got to make you don't put Marjorie into
those either.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 25 (35:25):
Mary.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Fantastic chip with you and we'll get that butter chicken
recipe off you very shortly. Right, I got to take
a break, but when we come back, thank you very much.
It is ten to two.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I'm going to tell you what that took the heat
out of the subject, didn't it. Certainly do need a
good butter chicken. Love it butter chicken.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Madd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
News Talks, very good afternoon year at seven to two,
we're talking about the price of butter. A lot of
people upset apparently about the top price of butter.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, and I think people mis understanding. I'm not saying
that it's I mean, look, what I'm saying is is,
at the end of the world, do we does this hysteria?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Nice? Well done?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Is it justified?

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Does it justify haranguing a private citizen on the street
like he's committed a crime or there's a massive scandal.
He's not a politician at Myles Harrell, the reason the
butter mania is is because that all you plankers are
being on about it. If you choose something more interesting
to talk about it, it won't be a thing that's
from Jason. Yeah, I mean it's kind of ironic that
I'm saying, why is everyone talking about it? It's is

(36:31):
it such a big deal while spending it out talking
about it?

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, I can see the irony there.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
But look, I did get a great butter chicken recipe
off Mary.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
So not all is lost.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
So maybe that if you want a conspiracy theory, maybe
that's why I set this little thing up.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
That's all you needed in your life.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Dave, welcome to the show.

Speaker 26 (36:53):
The whole butter thing, I think I said teaching you
it is just really a metaphor for what's really going
on out there in the big wide world. But it
does affect, you know, a cost of living. You know, restaurants.
I've got buddies who owned restaurants. You know, their costs
of gone a lot of.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Butter and restaurant food. That a lot of butter and
restaurant food, that's for sure, a lot of better in.

Speaker 26 (37:14):
Restaurant a lot of butter and bakries, you know, and
you just buying a bun for your kids to take school.
That's all gone up. I mean, it's not just butter,
it's it's the on flow. But you know, guys, I
was thinking about this a while ago, and a little
bit of entry trivia. You know, Fontier is a great company.
I've got nothing respect that for that company. I think
they're doing an amazing job. And I love seeing the

(37:36):
dairy farmers making really good money because that does flow
down and it's going to have positive effects on New Zealand.
But you know, I think we should let Fontierra do
what they do better and then is export to the
global markets. Just a little bit of trivia on the side.
Fontier was facilitated by the Labor government, just as a

(37:56):
bit of interesting in trivia for you. But Helen Clark
actually changed the law to make sure that Fonterira could
be stretchured and formulated. So for all those National Party
supporters that think that it's a blue product, it ain't.
But what I was thinking, guys is why don't we
We've got we own eighty three farms in this country.
The taxpayer that is why don't we set up a

(38:17):
domestic only dairy system where we're producing dairy products in
New Zealand on our farms that we own and supplying
just the domestic market.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
But those people, why would those farmers take a less
for their for their butter.

Speaker 26 (38:35):
Well because bying into a business model that's not based
on Fontira's business model.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Well, I mean, I mean you could you could start
a farm right now and just sell it straight outside
of Fontira. You could be independent.

Speaker 26 (38:47):
You need processing, so you have to be you have
to be. You'd have to a third party at off
or or we set up our own, you know, production facility.
But the reality is we've got a st sitting here
right now as we speak that we're not really using.
But I think if we could look at some of
these these properties that we own to them, it's a

(39:08):
domestic deary units. Whether we run them, whether the test
player runs them, you know, these opportunities there. What I'm
trying to say, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
For you call Dave. We've got to go there. I
think you know, that's a complicated issue there around the
government getting involved just to bring the price of butter down.
It's very complicated when you're trying to be a free country.
And you know, we don't want to go back to
pre nineteen eighty four when we were just buying butter
and stockpiling it. Yeah, exactly, which would be the similar
thing to be doing. Yeah, the government buying and producing

(39:38):
its own butter. I'm not sure, but anyway, should we
keep this coming going?

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah, let's keep it going from so many people, Butter
news is coming.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Up talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
It's Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into
the program. Six past too. So many people want to
have a chat about butter, so we're carrying it on
and love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yes, there we are, It's there.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
It does again.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Everyone's talking butter. Why is it such a big deal.
I postulated the question that maybe we are going too
hard on butter. Maybe we're spending too much of our
brain space worrying about the fact butter is up. How
much buddy, do we actually need? Mary rang him before.
She needs quite a lot of butter for her short bread.
No one is going to starve to death because butter

(40:26):
has gone up in price. I buy one block of
butter every two weeks if that?

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, so what's that? That's about four dollars fifty per week? Yeah,
it's reasonable.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
So it's gone up from four to ten dollars. Let's say, yeah,
so is it three dollars more that it's costing.

Speaker 12 (40:40):
You a week?

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Is that bankrupt? Bearing in mind it's not compulsory. So
why all the hysteria, the hysteria and by hysteria, you know,
I think it was exemplified with Mikey Schumann on One
News last night, hassling the CEO of Fonterra on the street.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
Hello, by Hi, could we stop and have a proper chat?
Is that all right?

Speaker 7 (41:05):
Just halfware to another meeting.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
To the moment, it's eight dollars is too much to
pay for a block of butter.

Speaker 7 (41:11):
Let me talk to minister Willis.

Speaker 6 (41:13):
Do you think you're ripping keyw Wei's off? Are you
ripping keys off when it comes to butter? What sort
of margins are you asking for in the price of butter?

Speaker 8 (41:22):
Let me let me let me talk to Minezuela this afternoon.
And I told you're givining to you at some point?

Speaker 6 (41:26):
Is it Fonterra putting the prices of butter up or
is it supermarkets.

Speaker 8 (41:30):
It's not appropriate I get into that conversation with you, but.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
You have to admit that it's a big issue to
kiwis all across the country at the moment.

Speaker 7 (41:38):
Yeah, of course it is. So let me let me
talk to minister this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
So this isn't a guy that's involved in a direct
scandal where he's done something illegal. It's not a politician.
He's a private citizen. It's not fear go or target.
He hasn't ripped off someone, he hasn't running he's not
running a scan.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Very dramatic, So it's a lot. It's in my.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Opinion to harangue a private citizen on the street like that.
He doesn't owe it to you to give you information
exactly when you want it so you can put it
in broadcast. That's not how the world works. Yeah, politicians
owe us an answer, absolutely, but private citizens that are
running companies don't owe us an answer. And some would
argue that he's doing a fantastic job because the only

(42:21):
thing keeping our economy afloat at the moment is the
fact that we're selling some butter overseas.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, dairy farmers, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
how do you feel about Miles Hurra being chased down
the street? And what do you say to Kiwis about
the price of butter, Because there's no doubt about it.
As you mentioned, and economists have said this, the agriculture
industry in New Zealand is driving our economy at the moment.
It is the one big bright spot that we have
that is helping pull us out of these doldrums hopefully.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
And what do you say to people that think it's
a great idea that we have state fund dairy farms
that just make dairy to keep the price down in
our supermarkets, or people that say that the government should
pay farmers and processes the missing margin, you know, which
is not the same as but akin to the stockpiling

(43:07):
that we were doing pre nineteen eighty four, and you know,
or surcharges on butter experts to subsidize you know, we're
a free market nation. In my opinion, that's that's a
good thing. And if we start doing that then we
are open to a bit of kickback from the people
that globally we're trying to say open up your market,

(43:29):
open up your market, and then we close down our market.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Yeah, they're sort of thinking scared, how out of me?
It seems like very very poor financial strategy. But Kenny,
your views on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
This text says it's not good enough to say it's
too difficult for government to get our New zealandery consumer
a cheaper price. There's exemptions on GSC on foods in Australia.
If National doesn't do anything about this escalating butter price,
it will lose the next election. And that's the truth.
Would you not vote for someone because but just don't?

Speaker 3 (44:00):
How am I the hell of a?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Am I going crazy?

Speaker 3 (44:03):
A voting consideration? I mean right up the top. So
you've got housing, the general economy, cost of but buttle
number one, health, healthdaria, education and butter.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
It's absolute hysteria. Lynn, You don't agree. You think that
this hysteria is on point?

Speaker 15 (44:22):
Well, I'm a bit world about the whole thing. Because
they're not.

Speaker 27 (44:27):
Helping the ordinary citizen by having the butter at these prices.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Well, you can argue that they are because they could.
You could argue that it is because it's a global price,
and the butter price being up in New Zealand indicates
how well buttered, how well the prices are going overseas,
thus helping our economy.

Speaker 27 (44:46):
Yes, what about being kind of the domestic people that
buy butters are baked with, Well, I don't it anymore.
I won't be faking with it anymore. It's now a
luxury item. And I feel like standing with my my
singer outside the cooler or the freezer and saying boycott,
because if everybody boycott is going to be a jolly.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
That's just the that's just the market line. And if
New Zealand completely boycotted butter, we just sell more of
it overseas. But absolutely, if it gets too expensive, that's
the decision you make. You just stop buying it, right,
That's how it.

Speaker 27 (45:20):
Works when you're baked, when your bake, I mean scans
take three fifty grams of butter and buttered chicken and
just sort of thing, and you can't beat butter for
that sort of thing. I mean, you can use oil.
Oil has gone up too.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, thank you for your call. Yeah, butter chicken has risen.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
A lot of people talking about buttered chicken.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I mean, there was so much homemade butter chicken.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Going on on the boycott question, I get that there
can be a successful strategy, but you're quite right when
it comes to butter. Then the overseas market will just
take more of the butter. It won't make a stick
a difference.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Here a fantastic recipe to double butter volume. Beat two
hundred and fifty grams soft butter till fluffy, gradually add
one hundred mills sunflower oil, then one hundred mills water. Yes,
that's brilliant, still tastes like butter and spreads very well.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
There's ross and are the sort of tips we need
right now, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Simple, no cost to the text Passerluca, and set a
quota to the local market at the level that drives
prices down. Dairy industry can make it or not. From experts,
I don't care if the parasite farmers go broke.

Speaker 7 (46:21):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Well, I'll tell you what. If the parasite farmers, as
you call them, go broke, then I don't think you're
you'll be going so.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Well, yeah, we're all in trouble because you can say
that the only thing that's floating garri Coon exactly right. Oh,
eight hundred eighteen eighty is the number to call. Love
your thoughts about the price of butter? Thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Wow, your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk said.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
Be.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Sixteen past two and we're getting your thoughts about the
hysteria around the price of butter. Oh eight hundred eighteen
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
This is the most outrageous check text we've got so far. Hey, guys,
just looked up butter chicken respeak. Guess what, No.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Butter get out of town. I don't believe it.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
You've got a butter chicken with no respeed.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
This definitely there's definitely butter and the butter chicking.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
The rich TOMATOI butter sauce contains a generous amount of butter,
tomato pure or crush tomatoes, cream, some more dairy, cashew
or almond paste, a punch of sugar, salt, ferne, Greek leaves,
additional garam masala.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
I'm getting hungry. Seven got butter and he definitely got
butter and.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Controversial.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Controversial. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call John. How are you.

Speaker 13 (47:42):
John?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
You there?

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Oh hey John? Sorry about that. Something happening with their
phones today? Your thoughts on the on this this year?

Speaker 7 (47:49):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Are you buying into this? Hys Daaria?

Speaker 25 (47:53):
Well, I must say I thought when I was watching
TV last night that I was watching for you Go,
and I thought maybe there's cancel. They've taken TV run
news off the year and replaceable. I don't know anyway,
I am not under it. No, I think it's great
on it. We must be earning some money overseas. And

(48:17):
and to me, I use margarine.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
How long have you been using magarine? Have you jumped
on the margarine John, because the bad is too expensive?
Or is marjarine just your product of choice?

Speaker 25 (48:28):
I use marjorin because it's a product of choice. It's cheaper,
and I actually go to the pain's brain. That's not
good for you. A lot of the olive oil and
the margarine.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Good on you. And so when you see high batter prices,
what do you think, John? You're not buying it? But
what does that make you think? Do you think it's.

Speaker 25 (48:49):
I think it's good for the economy. I mean, you're
d right. It means that our farms are doing well,
so the country must be doing well somewhere.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah. Well, good that it is doing somethll somewhere. Yeah, Hi, guys,
is the stick a dairy fan here? Yes, the price
of due products are high, but nearly every service provider
and products we need on farm have also increased, which
leads to everyone's wages, et cetera and profits increasing. I'm
sure if other people's end products were at a high price,
they would be okay with it.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Yeah, and I'm just looking up.

Speaker 7 (49:24):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Liam Dan has written extensively about the price of buta
and the benefits for New Zealand when the dry market
internationally is so high. But I'll just read out a
little bit of his latest piece. He says, despite my
best efforts to explain the ins and outs of the
global commodity, commodity price in my inbox confirms the public
remains highly engaged about the price of butter. Did I
say engaged? Sorry? I meant in rage. I still don't

(49:47):
get the obsession with butter. How much of the stuff
do you actually have to use? Put some country soft
on your toast, It's fine, And then goes on to
say the commodity cycle will turn international dairy and beef
prices will eventually exactly yep, but that will mask the
real problem. It's not the food prices are two heights
that wages are too low. In a perfect will, prices
for our export commodities would stay high. New Zealand's domestic

(50:09):
economy would be creating more well paid jobs and generating
high wages.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
A man lend Dan, He's a very smart man as
a farmer. No, no one subsidizes us for anything. We
have finally got a good price for our dairy products.
Just remember we are a price taker, not a price setter.
No services from our country give us a discount trade ees,
et cetera because it's from New Zealand, or when our
payout is down. Just think of the millions that we
are all paying in tax to help the country.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Yeah, yep, good, cool flow.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 18 (50:37):
Hi, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Thank you?

Speaker 24 (50:41):
Good?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Your thoughts on this float?

Speaker 28 (50:44):
Yeah, butter, there's nothing like it. It's just the tastiest, richest.
It's just like you put it on your toast and
it's just like green pock via a cower ow onto
your toast and there's nothing. There's no substitute for it.
I mean, margarine is just a tub full of chemicals.

(51:07):
It's made in the lad Yeah, and we do need
a certain a certain amount of fat in our diet,
and it is a shame that it's gone up. I
was quite shocked to see it was dollars the other
week as well. But I just won't stop buying it
because it's it's a beautiful natural product. It's you know,
you can't you can't be asking for subsidy for the

(51:27):
farmers later as that last textage, they're not asking their
studies or anything on the farm to be subsidized. So
you know, it's great they're actually finally getting a good
price for their their product.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yeah, good on you right here.

Speaker 28 (51:41):
It means it's I overse which is a good export
earner for us.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
So good on your flow.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Yeah, I said it better myself. Yeah, I mean it
is a great product, and with a great products, you
pay the price for for what is a very very
good product, and we make a lot of money on
that product overseas.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
It's very desirable, butt it that hence the huge price
that people people pay for it overseas. Yeah, and imagine
can people imagine where New Zealand would be right now
if the butter price was not good at the moment,
if the dairy price was not going in and their
farmers weren't making money, where would be Where would the
bright spot be in our economy?

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
How did people think it works? And the idea that
you would start government run farms, I mean just to
make butter for us so we can so we change
the whole system, potentially sell out our whole. Free market
value beliefs attract the ire of other nations because we're

(52:37):
gaining our own market and for what so in an
odd era when the butter price is ridiculously high, some
people save eight dollars a week the higher end of
the butter users.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
It's been tried in the past and it's gone terribly
when that has been attempted. But can you get your
views on a one hundred and eighty and growth?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
This TEGs people that are slagging off farmers. Here watch
Clarkson's farm you want to if you want to see.
And I know it's it's silly and it's a guy
that's not a real farmer, but that is a real
eye out for what farmers actually go through.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, the roadblocks he had to face. Right, We're going
to take some more calls very shortly. It is twenty
two past.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Two Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty on used talk ZB twenty four.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Pasts two, and we are talking about the outrage over
the price of butter.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Hey, guys, best buttered chicken is PTAX three sachet buttered chicken,
spice and sauce mix seven dollars plus chicken breast six dollars. Boom.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
That's a crafty person right there.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
But that doesn't prove my point that there's butter and
butter chicken. Some people claiming there's no butter and butter chicken,
that butter is just well it might not be better
in there. Actually, yeah, I haven't looked at the side
of patax.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
It's very good, taxi it's great. But yeah, yeah, it's
good products.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Great, but I wouldn't say that's making butter chicken at
home as some of the people that've rung in before. Yeah,
and I'm surprised before I did this up this topic today,
I didn't expect it to be so butter chicken focused.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
A lot of people love butter of chicken way more
than I expected made butter chicken.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
But the supplementary sort of a subsequent amount of abuse
is just saying you love butter of chicken, saying you're
not a real curry eater chicken.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Nothing wrong with a butter of chicken. Pick a messala,
it's not a credible curry you do. I always go mild,
mild butter chicken. Mine. I know what I like in
this world.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
You are the mild butter chicken of radio Lisa. Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 24 (54:34):
Hi, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Very good? Thanks for calling in today. Your thoughts, Well,
I'll just.

Speaker 24 (54:40):
Sort of ring it and say, I mean, I understand
that it's an easy thing to sort of suggest that
you know, it's one item was longer than yours is.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
Of this twist.

Speaker 24 (54:48):
But when you're walking around the supermarket picking your items
and you're kind of visually sort of remembering what they
were six twelve months ago, that does get pretty frustrating.
So I just sort of think that maybe butter but
it could be the breaking points for a lot of people.
Granted it's not part of the staple diet, but it
is used in a lot of things. Kept lunches, et cetera.

(55:08):
And when you sort of know what the composition of
margarine is, you know, it's pretty understandable that people don't
really want to use margarine as an alternative and it's
pretty well plastic.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Really, So do you do you do you get any
sort of joy out of the fact that the high
butter price means that we're getting good money coming into
the country and it's helping our balance of payments.

Speaker 24 (55:32):
I think it is. I also consider as well, that
as great as that is, when you're paying the weekly
bills and trying to get by that you may not
appreciate that as much as what one should.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Oh yeah, I mean exactly. I mean you can't blame
people for being shocked at the price of butter. I'm
not saying that. I just think as a as a
thing for us to spend so much time talking about,
and for Mikey Schuman to be haranguing a private citizen
on the street about the price of butter. It felt
to me. Did you ever watch that old TV show

(56:01):
Eating Media Lunch?

Speaker 24 (56:04):
No, I can't say that.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Well, it was a media show. It made fun of
me media, but it felt like a skip from that
show where you're just harrying go on the street like
he's committed a crime, like he's involved in a huge scandal.
Because because of the price of butter, how much butter
would you use in a week.

Speaker 24 (56:19):
Lisa, Well, we use a lot in our house, so
we buy two blocks and would use over a block,
so one's not really enough to get us through. So
my partner, as a coming side note, the last three
times he cooked mashed potatoes, I thought, oh, they're pretty average,
because he normally makes sang. And then I noticed he
was over by the oven and he was holding all

(56:40):
the sort of stuff at his potatoes, and he'd actually
not put any in mine and was folding some butter
into his.

Speaker 16 (56:47):
Oh my god, she's getting.

Speaker 24 (56:49):
Like I can't even have it in my blood and
mashed potato.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
That is a scandal. That is a scandal, but a
little but I'd be angry about that. But one of
the best the butter is, isn't it? But the thing,
Lisa is that points to to to effect. If when
you think something's delicious, it's nearly always. You know, if
you going to a restaurant, you go, why is that

(57:12):
so delicious? You find it's butter. The more butter and something,
for some reason, the more delicious it is. We freaking
love butterh and and massed potatoes. You go, this is
delicious messadatos.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
The amount of butter, it's more butter than potato.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yeah, absolutely, and that is what makes it so great. Yeah, absolutely, Lisa,
thank you so much for your call. You have a
great day.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Chris, your thoughts on that.

Speaker 29 (57:35):
Happening was not I dealt with the farmers for close
to fifty years. I've got some idea of cost, and
I've got three points to make. Mikeay Sherman shows what's
been going and what's been talked about late. We've got
a lot of young reporters around that are a bit
of pinnated and non experienced, and there go she she

(57:56):
should be she should apologize for that. And she didn't
even get the price right, she said, but she told
Miles wife's butter eight dollars a kilo, walked you can
get it for eight dollars a kilo.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I noticed that. I was like, you're taking to God,
you're taking two bus off there and.

Speaker 29 (58:13):
The other thing. And the second point is, hey, look,
Nichola Willis worked for Fonterra. She worked with Myles Hurrel.
She was she was in finance and marketing. She she
her job was to get the best prices for Fonterra
around the world. So in my opinion, her meeting with
Miles is just groundstanding and it won't come to anything.

(58:34):
And the third thing is, look, the CEO of Open
Country said to Ja and McKay the other day that
actually it's a bit of a pain. Who didn't quite
say like that, but supplying New Zealand you can make
more money if everything went overseas than supplying the local exactly.
And the thing with that is, guys, is that also look,

(58:55):
since the Ukraine War, the cost of your rear which
dairy farmers use were all farmers use a lot of
but they use a lot the cost of your rear,
it's kind of one hundred and thirty percent, and dairy
farmers the dairy payouts gone up about say, twenty percent
over the last two years, and dairy farmers costs have
gone off about anywhere between fifty and sixty average. So

(59:19):
you know, you don't don't blame don't blame the farmers.
And I guess will never know all how much finn
tear A put on butter and cheese, and then how
much the tooth markets put on butter and cheese because
they'll say it's sensitive information.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Yeah, I agree with you, though, I feel like it's
one of those things where we go look over here,
look over there, you know, and trying to make people
to be a target of people's anger around around the butter.
Think that's why we're having meetings when we all know
that they can't change the situation without changing the law
or you know, changing our ethos. Is the country when

(59:53):
it comes to trading, we have to export, and we
have to export well, and we have to go into
negotiations and say we're a free market or else why
would they do it? So, you know, if we start
subsidizing butter at home or taking gst off at all
these things that people are suggesting, then over the people
we trade with will say, you're putting a tariff on
on on on butter, and then we won't be in
the condition we are, which what we're trying to go

(01:00:14):
out to wood and go, let us sell your butter,
let us sell you butter, let us let us into
your market, and these people go, we don't want you
to make it. You're so good at making butter, that's
that you'll destroy our our market. So it's a it's
a way more complex issue than Nikola Willis going up
and saying, hey, can we lower the price of butter.
It's not it doesn't really work like that doesn't well.

Speaker 29 (01:00:36):
It's not just batter. I mean, cheese has gone through
the room too, and and and do we want to
go We don't want to go back to Muldoon's days.
We'll have that little red shield. You remember Max of retail.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Price, right, Yes, that's right.

Speaker 29 (01:00:46):
Yeah, I mean we don't remember that you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I just listened to this fantastic podcast on that whole
nine and eighty four election and what was happening when
they opened up the box and they went, oh my god,
when we were stockpiling butter. Yeah, crazy, that's no real difference. Look,
we were just stockpiling butter back then and just letting
it go off to keep the prices up for farmers
and farmers who had had you know, we have in
a great position selling butter and lamb and everything to

(01:01:12):
the UK, and then they joined the EU and then
we were in this problem. So we kept buying it,
but it's not much difference if we start changing the
rules so it's cheaper in New Zealand. It's essentially the
same thing as what muldown was doing and it doesn't
lead to good outcomes for our economy. Hey, thank you
so much for you called Chris, really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Great discussion. Thank you very much. We've had hundreds and hundreds,
almost thousands of techs and so many phone calls, full boards,
but we are going to change up. After the headlines,
I'll just say one thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
It's funny for someone to say that Mikey Schuman is
a young journalist though she's got I think she's got
six kids. I think she's a mother of six. Yeah,
and she's been in the business for seventeen years, so
you can't blame it. Blame her hastling. Miles Hurell on
being a young journalist, she've.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Been around a long time. Yeah, yeah, right, thank you
very much. So after the headlines, we want to chat
about Ozzy Osborne. The sad news that broke this morning
that he passed away at the age of seventy six.
So what is the legacy of Ozzy Osbourne? If you've
seen him live in concert. I love to hear your
stories on O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's
twenty seven to three.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
And look, I need to share the story. I need
to get off my chest. I saw Ozzy Osbourne kill
someone will in Camden, JAPS in two thousand and seven.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
This is going to be good. That's coming up.

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(01:03:18):
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(01:03:43):
How the government slies two hundred million dollars of the
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see the full analysis It ends at Herald Premium mack
Now to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Thank you very much. Ray Lang So sad news that
broke this morning in New Zealand. Ozzy Osborne Howling, singer,
mad cap showmen and self anointed Prince of Darkness who
helped pioneer heavy metals, thunderous air splitting sound as the
front for Black Sabbath, passed away. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
What a great performer. Was a unique individual, pretty crazy
at times, shuffling around, had his problems with addiction, that
is absolutely for sure. I thought this X this post
from Piers Morgan was pretty good. If I he could
have scripted his final finale from this planet, he'd have
chosen to be performing live back in his hometown with

(01:04:33):
his old band supporter backstage by Sharon and their children.
It was the perfect ending to an incredible career and
an incredible life. Yeah, the fact that he managed to
perform so well just so close to Seeth is incredible.
I loved this from Adam Sander as well, because Ozzie
Osmond was global. People loved Black Sabbath globally, and then
he had this huge solo career with fantastic songs like

(01:04:56):
Crazy Train and Mama arm Coming Home. Whether we were
in our basements with our brothers, this is Adam Sandler
in the woods with our buddies, in the car, at
Keig parties, on a boat, at a football practice, had
a sleepover. Nobody was more bad ass to crank up
on our speakers than the one and only Prince of Darkness.
Ozzie Osbourne. Loved him a lot like we all did,

(01:05:18):
sending love to the family and so happy to have
spent time with the legend himself. Rip I was watching
a bunch of Ozzie Osbourne footage today and he was
the hugest Beatles fan in the world. He just absolutely
loved the Beatles. I mean, Ozzie was from Birmingham and
they were from Liverpool. There's a bit of a back
and forth between those two cities. But Ozzie just grew
up absolutely loving the Beatles. And this footage of the

(01:05:39):
first time he met Paul McCartney and he was just
a little fanboy and Paul McCartney was so great when
Pau McCartney knew all about Ozzy Osbourne and they had this
moment back and forth and just what it meant to
Ozzie and this mutual respect that he didn't expect to
get back because Ozzie OsmAnd maybe a big star, but
he was a humble guy. And for Paul McCartney to
just think so highly of Ozzie and Ozzie finally meeting him.

(01:06:02):
I was watching this and it actually I got tears
in my eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Yeah, that's a lovely moment.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Just such an absolutelutely beautiful, beautiful, full moment.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
I mean, that was part of his charm writers his
personality and very very funny man and very outrageous and colorful,
but a very intelligent guy clearly and as you say,
humble and look I said this before we started the show,
that my first real acknowledgment of Ozzy Osbourne and it
sounds trite to say, but it's the truth. Was the show,

(01:06:33):
the reality TV show, The Osborne's And I remember as
a young kid watching that and it was like nothing
I'd ever seen in my life. But I was riveted
on on this guy, this rock star, this rock god
who looked like a bit of a zombie and he
kind of zoned in and out and he got upset
with TV remotes and yelling at his dog and his kids.

(01:06:54):
I mean, it was fantastic. And then I started to
learn about Ozzy Osbourne and the bad incident and then
his music and the whole picture of the guy an
absolute icon.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Yeah, I'm very different because I came from this world
that absolutely worshiped Black Sabbath. And I used to wear
this T shirt that said listen to Black Sabbath. And
I was in the UK once and I was going
along to an Ozzy Osborne concert and I was wearing
this T shirt and this guy came with this massive
guy came up to me, quite threatening, he said, because
it became quite a fashion thing to listen to the

(01:07:25):
to wear they listen to Black Sabbath T shirt. Yeah,
you know, just in the same way as a lot
of people that wear LA hats aren't Dodgers fans or
you know, or Yankees hats, aren't you Yankees fans. You know,
there's these people that sell more merch, then you're not
necessarily a fan. So this guy came up to me
and he said to me, if you listen to Black Subbath,

(01:07:46):
name their first three albums, jump up here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
It's nicely done.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
And I went Black Sebbath, paranoid master of Reality, sir.
And he goes okay, then, like like he was the
gatekeeper at this concert. I was like, Wow, I wonder
what have happened If I hadn't been having a name
name the first three Black Sebbath albums.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
He might have taken a oh eight, one hundred eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
But also for me, my first album with my band
we called a Brown Sap. Yeah, and in honor of
Black Sabbath. That's it all but just an incredible sound
for when they recorded it. So many songs and they
just inspire you to play your guitar. Black Zabbath Tony
Iomi and the fact that Ozzie mainly just sang the
basslines really really drilled the songs into your head and

(01:08:34):
it was it was a form of metal coming from
these just incredible, these talented, working class guys that just
just shook the world. And then you know, as I say,
his solo career, when Sharon Osborne started managing him and
then having this whole other thing. Is this reality star
one of the first really huge reality stars, just because
he was so funny and drug eddel.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Yeah, yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. What is the legacy of Ozzy Osborne?
Love to hear your memories if you've gone to the
concert the first time you came across their music, really
can to never check with you on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Yeah, and I have to share that story about when
I saw Ozioso and killer Man and Camda Controversial.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
That's coming up seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons call,
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
They'd be very good afternoon TOI. It is a quarter
two three and we're talking about the passing of Ozzy Osbourne,
absolute icon, trailblazer, a huge personality. He'd love to hear
your stories and thoughts about Ozzy Osborne. I eighte hundred
and eighty ten eighty ian.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Welcome to the show. So you've spent some time with
Ozzy Osbourne.

Speaker 12 (01:09:45):
Very very briefly in the year the late nineties. I
was aspiring sound engineer. I was working up at Student
Radio ninety five BFM and under the tutelage of the
local engineer there, and he he came in after an
interview I think on the radio and doing some station idea.
It's basically you oday, this is Ozzy Osbourne. You're listening

(01:10:07):
to ninety five bit of him. And he did a
couple of IDs for the station, which took him about
five or six goes, under much direction from the creative
director as well. And then once we sort of battled
our way through that, he had to do an ID
for the heavy Metal Show, which was the hard Fast
and Heavy Show Great Show which dot com. That took

(01:10:28):
quite a few goes as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
And what was he like as an individual while he
was trying to get through this idea and he must
have done that all around the world, just struggled to
get through station IDs.

Speaker 12 (01:10:38):
But what kind of like kind of like watching your
dad and your grandfather set up a VCR for the
first time in the eighties. Really, but you know, he
has had a very sort of workmanlike attitude to the
whole thing, very sort of working class. But it's just
lovely fella. Yeah, and you know, actually no ego, no
pretense at all, to be honest, and came and shot

(01:11:01):
a hand, said gooday, and sort of that was it. Really,
that was That was what I remember, But he I did,
so he probably didn't remember too long after the interaction,
to be honest, just stunch.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Did he have sharing with them?

Speaker 12 (01:11:14):
No notice that A couple of minders, I think wanted
a better word.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Yeah, yeah, I remember when I went to see Black
Sabbath at the spucketing there a few years ago, and
there was a press conference beforehand, and Ozzy Osborne turned
up at the press conference and he was just slurring
and not answering, didn't seem to know where he was
and it was quite odd. But then when he hit

(01:11:38):
stage he just lit up. And that night he was
just so fantastic on stage getting things together. I mean,
as moves were just sort of shuffling around and clapping
his hands as he always does things along exactly at
the baseline. But it was just such a performance and
I was thinking the same thing. He was just didn't
really care about the press conference. But as a you know,

(01:11:59):
people probably don't understand this, but he had something. There
was a magnetism to him that made him such a
great front man. It's that how humbly he was, how
much he cared that the audience enjoyed it, how much
he put in. It was sort of this working class,
you know, esthetic where he was going to give you
one hundred percent.

Speaker 12 (01:12:16):
Yeah, and I think that the joy was genuine. I
was actually at the same show as about ten years
ago at Spark, was it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Yeah, yeah, And I.

Speaker 12 (01:12:24):
Didn't really expect much. I thought, oh, this could be
a bit little bit embarrassing. Yeah, he came out and
actually delivered and hit all the notes, and I was
very impressed with it all and felt that it was
completely genuine and none of it was I mean, it
was stage but not you know, to the letter.

Speaker 16 (01:12:38):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Yeah, there was something pretty genuine about it. And I
can't remember it was drumming at the time there, but
it was about a twenty five minute drum solo that
was pretty good as well. At one point.

Speaker 12 (01:12:48):
Yeah, one of those ones where you go and get
your beers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasn't obviously not the original drummer.
But I thank you so much for you call in.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Yeah, what a story. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call the legacy of Ozzy Osbourne.
Keen to get your thoughts and if you've been to
his concert or you've met the man, give us a
buzz i. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
That's right. Were the Naduwahia Festival in nineteen seventy two.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
That would have been amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
I've heard some great stories from from Tim Finnan's but
the ends we're playing with Black seven.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
That would have been amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
I've heard some great stories. Yeah, and I'll punish everyone
with my my Ozzie Kilderman and Camden story next that
has come out ten eighty Ozzie Osborne, what is his legacy?

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News
Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
News Talks B. We have been talking about the passing
of Ozzy Osbourne. Now Matt there are so many ticks
coming in saying, Matt for goodness sake, tell your story
about the time that Ozzy Osbourne took a life.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Yeah, well I've been I've been exaggerating a little bit.
So I was over working in television in London. I
was staying in a hotel in Camden and it was
a very raucous evening, both raucous in one way and
also raucus weather wise.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
And I was woke up in the morning and but
Dusty and I was steering at the window of my
hotel at this big Ozzy Osbourne, this massive Ossy Osbourne
billboard advertising the Osbourne's the show, and it said on it,
if you want to be a rebel, don't get a tattoo.
Everyone has a tattoo these days. That was then had
a picture of him, and I was watching that, and

(01:14:27):
then I watched the billboard start to wabble, and I'm thinking,
they're Ozzie Osborne. You know, I've followed Black Sabbath my
whole life. This is pretty interesting. It's pretty exciting, and
how weird it is that he is now a reality
TV star And then there is this huge gust and
the billboard comes off and it slams down onto the
road and there's a guy crossing the road, this homeless guy,

(01:14:49):
and it goes smack down on top of the guy's
head right right in front of me, like four stories
below and kills the man.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Rat.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
So I'm watching this going an absolute horror. I don't
know what is going on. I'm yelling this double glass,
double glazing. People come out of nowhere. There's luckily there's
a policeman there. They take the sign off the sky
and then then the ambulance comes along and I'm just
standing there going, this is the craziest thing that's ever

(01:15:22):
happened in the history of my life. I mean, I
don't didn't know the homeless man, so definitely a big
incident for him.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Yeah. Absolutely. So you're sitting there Dusty as all, how
just thinking about oh man, Ozzy Osborne, he's a big
TV star now boom Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
And I was thinking how cool is that it takes
up the entire view outside of my hotel window. And
then later on I was thinking, why isn't this making
national news? Because and Ossie Osborne board flattening a person
on Camden.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Road be huge? How low do you get yourself into
these situations.

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
That's a great story, Gotty.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
You had a bit of Ossie at your wedding.

Speaker 26 (01:15:59):
Yeah, I did, yeh.

Speaker 14 (01:16:02):
Do you know the song I Just Want You?

Speaker 12 (01:16:04):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Yes, I do?

Speaker 9 (01:16:06):
Yeah, yes.

Speaker 14 (01:16:07):
So we got married in ninety nine at the stunning
Wapoon of Lodge, Oh lovely and yeah, and that was
our wedding waltz and the DJ was I don't I
can't remember the DJ's name, but.

Speaker 26 (01:16:19):
He went on to be an.

Speaker 14 (01:16:20):
Auckland City councilor. And I've never played Ozzie as the
wedding waltz before.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
So were you a big Aussie fan or was that
just one song that you really loved?

Speaker 22 (01:16:31):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:16:31):
No, no, I've always been a big Gausie fan. I've seen
him twice, twice by himself and once the Sabbath, same
show you were talking about.

Speaker 16 (01:16:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:16:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:16:40):
My thoughts today are sort of going out.

Speaker 14 (01:16:42):
To my friend the professor who introduced me to Sabbath,
who's a BIGFM alumni.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
The professor. What a great New Zealand. Hey, thanks so
much for your call, Scotty. We've got to go just
quickly give you to my top five Black Sabbath songs
Yep to finish Warpegs from ninety seventy, you got paranoid
killing yourself to love iron Man from nineteen seventy and
this because just because it's an emotion, one changes or

(01:17:12):
beautiful song. He's a great singer, yeah, and a great
man a r I p Ozzie Osborne lasting by now
all my days I'll building.

Speaker 6 (01:17:32):
It.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
I can go back.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
And chaste.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Save very good afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
You welcome back into the program. Six pass too great
to have your company. As always, this is going to
be a great chat. So one would imagine three time
major champions Scottie Scheffler would be desperate to continue domination
of the British Open, and he went on to lift
the cleric joke for the first time this week at
Royal Port, Russia, Northern Ireland. But speaking to the media

(01:18:56):
after that competition, he went on, of course to win it,
but he was asked about how he celebrates his victories,
and an introspective answer from Scheffler vered off into questioning
what was even the point of being the best golfer
in the world.

Speaker 23 (01:19:10):
It feels like you work your whole life to celebrate
winning a tournament for like a few minutes. It only
lasts a few minutes, that kind of euphoric feeling. And
I like to win the Byron Nelson Championship at home.
I literally worked my entire life to become good at
golf to have an opportunity to win that tournament. And
you win it, you celebrate, get to hug, hug my family,

(01:19:30):
my sister's there. It's such an amazing moment, and then
it's like, Okay, now what are we gonna eat for dinner?

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Such a rare insight from a professional athlete, and I
imagine that's the feeling of.

Speaker 13 (01:19:40):
A lot of them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Have you ever heard of an athlete say that, say
something like that, and it's very philosophical, it's interesting, and
I think a lot of people will have experienced that.
So you have these big goals that you want to
achieve in life, and you work really, really hard to
get them, and then when you get them, you can't
celebrate them for very very long, and you look around
and you go, oh, that's not making That has not

(01:20:03):
made me happy forever yeah, if you know what I mean.
So we're picturing our lives goals. If I get there,
I work really hard, I'll get there and then everything
will be great and I will be happy. So how
do you enjoy success if that's the case, If it's
the human condition where we find we reach our goals
and immediately we're looking around for what else we can

(01:20:25):
celebrate for an evening. Yeah, and that's about it if
you're Freddy flint If you can do it for about
three days and then end up at number ten Downing
Street and soiling a pop plant, But that's about it.
Maybe three days of full celebration if you really push
it out on something, and then you're back to your life.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
It's a hell of a come down for people like
Scotti Scheffler and as you say, Freddy Flinty or rock stars,
when you reach that ultimate point of whatever field that
you've chosen to then go back to what is a
mundane life. It's just everyday, normal life, hopefully with a
family that chasing that high in success. And as Scotti
Scheffler said, he's worked his entire life to be the

(01:21:05):
best goalfer in the world. And he went on to
say what is the point? What am I actually working
towards here? That five minutes of glory that I feel
then dies away and I start questioning why I've put
myself through this for my life.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, because we're all
striving for success, well most of us are. Anyway, have
you reached a point of success in your life and
have you felt great satisfaction, lasting satisfaction from it? And
how have you celebrated these fantastic moments in your life? Also,
how much success do we need to find lasting joy?

(01:21:41):
I mean, Shiffler, that's a high level of success. I'm
never going to be that successful. And he had a
few moments of joy from it. And what is the
lesson that we can learn from that? Because I think
a lot of people go, once I get a house,
I'll be you know a lot of people talk about property.
They go, once I save up and get a house,
everything will be right, and I'll be happy. Once I
get that promotion, everything right, I'll be happy. And we

(01:22:03):
arrive there and it's just it's just not the case.
We arrived there and we're like, oh, it's just the
same as it was before, and so we have these
endless goals that we're trying to get to, and as
a result, we feel like we never actually start living
our lives. We never at some point down the track
when I retire, I'm going to finally live my life.

(01:22:24):
That's when everything's going to be great.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Yeah, And is that the tragedy of life? So you
go through life and you might be incredibly successful when
you keep striving to be better, until you get towards
the end and you realize that that never really made
you that satisfied in the first place. I mean, maybe
that is just what happens to all of us. It's
the part of the human condition. You say, is that
that is part of being human that you strive to
be better and you think that's going to finally put

(01:22:47):
you in a place of happiness. But it's all an
illusion or as.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Scheffler, an outlier and am I an outlier? Can you
find success and enjoy it and celebrate it and have
a long term sense of self worth because of it?
We'd love to hear from you. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty bet of a philosophical one for you. This
afternoon of the week is Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Philosophical ol we love this sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Wednesday feel off.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
There's eleven past three, zebby fourteen past three. So we're
talking about achieving success and the joy that you may
find or it's fleeting joy, as was the case with
the number one golfer in the world right now, Scotti Scheffler.
He said just before a big tournament that he went
on to win. He's a little bit of what he said.
There's a lot of people that make that make it

(01:23:35):
to what they thought was going to fulfill them in life,
and you get there, you get to number one in
the world, and they're like, what's the point?

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
I love the stick? So, lads, I had a hole
in one when I was sixteen. I'm forty three now
and I still think about it every day.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
That's a good memory. Be lucky man.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Gray your thoughts on this. How do we enjoy our
success and what is what is success?

Speaker 19 (01:23:58):
I think that's what the vines through champions, the fact
that they they enjoy their moment. You know, he's a
chief world number one, vital competition and you've got to
celebrate that. But they come back down to ground very quick,
and that's the difference between champions and participants. I think

(01:24:18):
because they're always searching, so I'll never find perfection. Do
I search them for it? So they'll always achieve set
themselves new goals. I think in life the important is
you've got to set yourself achievable goals and you've got
to celebrate each one you get. That doesn't make it happy.

(01:24:42):
What makes you happy is.

Speaker 26 (01:24:43):
At the end of your life.

Speaker 19 (01:24:44):
I think if you can feel content with everything you've
done and your contempt and the way you said, your
life is your achieve its and that that's what happiness.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Yeah that makes sense, Yeah it does. And for you
for your first point, I was interviewing Karen Reid once
you know, ex All Black Captain, and he was talking
about the All Blacks post game don't have a fe
fantastic win, and the whole paste game analysis was bringing
them down to earth, so you'd get there will be
no time where you'd be going, this is amazing. Steve
Hanson was running tape of the mistakes you made and

(01:25:20):
ripping you to pieces. So Karen was saying telling me
that he'd drove home going, oh God, what a bummer,
and then you'd go, hang on a minute. We won,
and I was trying to manufacture, manufacture that you're not happy,
no complacency, it's still a loss. You've still got something
to work for for next week.

Speaker 19 (01:25:37):
And that goal for I would say, is that the
game that gave them the world number one spot. He
would will critic that game as well to mind out
what he did hold of it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Yeah, that's yeah. And secondly that thing about you know,
the totality of your life and and what you've done
in it. So you're essentially saying it's not about these
peaks where you have these achievements, these these big victories,
these moments. You're saying happiness comes from looking at the

(01:26:11):
whole whole of it and going, it's all been pretty good,
and what are those bits that are pretty good that
aren't peaks?

Speaker 19 (01:26:19):
But that's everything, you know, like winning winning the world championship,
I don't think defines that guy. What defines that guy
his personality? If he's a father, what kind of father
he is, his husband, what kind of husband he is,
what's he like to other people? It's the whole. It's

(01:26:40):
your whole life that's behind you, not just the peace.
You can be a champion and an absolute trick, yeah,
or you can be a champion and you're your people
champion as well. That's that's what defines you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Do you think there's so I think golf and tennis
are interesting sports and that you're a solo operator and
there's something fantastic about in whatever eventure you're doing, being
part of a team, and then you can celebrate the
success of the team because you're not celebrating yourself, you're
celebrating each other. Celebrating yourself is a very odd thing

(01:27:16):
to do. But in any endeavor, if you get together
a team of people and you go through a struggle
and you succeed, something for me that has more more value.
It's it's the it's the it's the journey you went
on the team, and then you can look around and go,
you guys are great, we did this together.

Speaker 11 (01:27:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:27:34):
Once but once again, I think these solo championship champion
there's a team around them as well. They're the person
on the court, they're the person playing the game, but
they would not have got there without a team of people.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Yeah, I mean, who's the who's the first thing that
an if one driver thanks on the mic when he
comes through, he's always thanks, guys, thank you so much.
What a great weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
Yeah, and that kind of thing.

Speaker 19 (01:28:00):
You know, they take the glory, but it's yeah, behind
every champion, there's a team of people.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Yeah. I saw a lot of comments after Scotti Scheffler
said what he said a crag and a lot of
the comments were, well, what what chance do I have
if the number one golfer in the world can't find happiness?
But I looked at it the other way that I
found a lot of comfort in what he said that
even if I could, it's never gonna happen. But if
I could become the number one golfer in the world,
that is not the answer. I actually found comfort in

(01:28:29):
what he said, even Scotti Scheffler struggles with finding that pure,
long lasting joy in life. Is that how you you
saw it?

Speaker 19 (01:28:38):
Well, I should have said, no, I didn't. I sort
of heard him talking as if he is a champion,
that he celebrated a success for a few hours and
then he's he thought it was possibly gonna last longer,
and when he got there, it didn't didn't because their
minds are programmed to move on. You know, where he

(01:29:02):
should be celebrating it really is when he can't play
an him why and he can slit back with his
grandkids on his knee or whatever, then he can really say, yeah,
I did some pretty incredible things.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Good on you, Craig. I was reading this interview with
Damon Albin, who's the you know, he's the creative behind
Gorillas and Blur and his whole life. Thought that when
he would you know that he was working to get
a number one album in the UK, and he got
that number one album in the UK and he just
happened to be at his parents' house when he heard,
and he was going he went for a walk. He

(01:29:39):
suddenly felt this huge weight of depression, this massive depression
came over and when he just suddenly got this great news,
and he said, he walked down to his old primary
school that was near the house and he sat on
this little swing and he just started crying and he
couldn't work out why. And then ages later he worked out, Damn,
I've had this huge success, but I'm still me and

(01:29:59):
that isn't the solution to my lack of happiness. I
thought getting this would make me happy, and now I've
got this, so that's not the answer. Yeah, So this
huge amount of success wasn't the answer to why I
had a big hole in my heart.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
What a confronting thing to experience.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
And I think, I think a huge amount of people
experience that that have been incredibly successful.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've found success
in life, how did you enjoy it? How did you
keep the joy going? And what did that success look like?
It might not be and getting to the top of
whatever field d're in, And.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
If future success is on the cards, do you have
to not enjoy this success and immediately run yourself down?
So you've still got their motivation to chase that high again? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
Good Call twenty one past three.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
Twenty three past three, And we are talking about success
and enjoying those but those moments of joy and how
do you retain it and what does success look like
for you? Scottie Scheffler number one golfer in the world,
he said, what's the point? And golf have worked all
my life to be number one and I get five
minutes of joy and then life goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Hi, guys, this is text. A goal is different to
a purpose. Plenty of sportsmen go into depression and retirement.
Phelps legacy. Their sport wasn't their purpose. Their sport was
a consistent series of dopamine hits. That's from Bevan This
Texas says. If you love God who gave you life,
and love your family and friends and others around you
and they love you, then what else do you need?

(01:31:29):
You're in love slash for free. You get it from
from from Mike Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
I mean family makes a big part of what makes
people happy in life, absolutely, and a whole lot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Of people are texting. You've got to remember it's the journey,
not the destination, as the saying goes. Sloan, welcome to
the show. You've experienced some success in your life.

Speaker 13 (01:31:53):
Yeah, yeah, thanks, Yeah, yep, a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
Well, good to have a chat with you. And you're
being humble, Sloane, and you're a good man. But you
don't mind me mentioning your last name. A lot of
people would know you out there.

Speaker 4 (01:32:05):
Ah no, that's fine.

Speaker 13 (01:32:07):
Your producer sort of talked me into having to checked
your boy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
Well, you're a good man. So your name's Sloan Frost
and you spent many decades to become the best and
yours chosen sport. In New Zealand, a lot of people
know you're a motorcycle rider. So when you see what
Scotti Schiffler said as the number one golfer in the world,
did you get a bit of a pang of I
I understand what he's saying there.

Speaker 19 (01:32:31):
Yeah, yeah, I did.

Speaker 13 (01:32:33):
I was sitting down with a with a sponsor and
I like got to where I wanted to be sort of.
I'd set a goal of wanted to be the champions
of the super Bike champion and got to that goal
and I was able to repeat it a couple of times.
And I sat down with a sponsor and he just
sort of said, you know, well, because he was giving

(01:32:55):
me some money, and he was like, well, you know,
you just want to keep doing the same thing. You
don't want to just keep doing the same thing over
and over, do you. And until that point I hadn't
really set any further goals for myself, and it sort
of made me really question what I was doing. And
he was right, you know, and I should have had
further goals. And if I had to set myself further

(01:33:16):
goals and looked past that goal, that i'd set and achieved,
I think things would have would have been different, you know,
but being a world champion, I don't know how much
further you can get and it would have been challenging
for him, you know, he's gone. What else do you set?
But you need to be working towards a goal.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
So how long do you allow you? How long is
the euphoria of that kind of achievement you've had.

Speaker 13 (01:33:46):
I think, like everyone else has been saying, you know,
you keep you want to keep moving forward in that
and whenever you get to whenever you achieve something, it's
never what you sort of build it up to me
and what you expect of it. So you need to
keep working to that next point. You know, I enjoyed it,
and I enjoyed it for a few months, and I

(01:34:07):
mean I still enjoy it now to a certain degree.
I mean my son races and I still get help
or is rap thing you know or something that you
achieved a long time ago? So yeah, it's good, but
you do need to further goal.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Well, what's the team? How big a team do you have,
you know, superbike team around you in terms of support
that that have got you to where you are?

Speaker 13 (01:34:30):
Yeah, I mean through the years you have to have
I mean on a race weekend you are going to
have maybe a small team maybe five people trying to
help you get to where you're going, but you have
to have you know, a big crew of support behind that,
like the Zougi New Zealand and the Suzuki from like Japan,
and all the budgets that come from there, and then
all your personal sponsors and your family and like the

(01:34:53):
dedication that you have to have and to get with
any sport. You know, there's so much behind the scenes,
the preparing of the bikes, and I mean half of
half the thing. Like a motor sport athlete, you have
to it's not just the it's not just what you're doing.
It's like preparing budgets and things like that too. Like
I've heard the views with your Formula one drivers and

(01:35:15):
that and and how much they have to put into
personal sponsors and you have to be a businessman, you know,
so so.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
So so it is a team sport as well as
a solid sport.

Speaker 13 (01:35:28):
You know, absolutely, it's a it's a huge team sport.
I mean you're out there, you're out there for yourself,
but it's it's a team of people and you can't.
I mean, there was a there was a time there
when I had really really good support and team coming
over from Australia and stuff like that, and nobody would
see that difference with me on the track, but the
without them, I almost couldn't win, and with them there,

(01:35:50):
I almost couldn't lose. It makes such a big difference.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
It's great to chat with you, Sloan. So when you
were gunning to be the world champion, was there a
part of your brain that says, once I've become world champion,
I will be happy. I will have the respect of everyone,
maybe people that delted you all this time that I've
spent working towards that goal. Finally I will achieve everything

(01:36:12):
that I've wanted in life.

Speaker 13 (01:36:13):
Was that your thinking, Yep, well I didn't get certainly
didn't get as far as world, but yep, New Zealand
was about as where I set my set my goals,
and it's unfortunate I didn't, but I mean I was
getting a little bit too old. But yeah, that's I mean,
that's that's where my whole goal was. That's what I
was working towards, and I thought, that's everything that I
needed to do and then yeah, you're right. When you

(01:36:34):
achieve that, you just it almost you fall flat a
little bit. You need you need to keep pushing forward.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
And do you feel that you can enjoy the success
of your son as you say he's writing more than
you can enjoy your own success.

Speaker 16 (01:36:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:36:49):
Absolutely, I mean it feels very much the same. And
but we're all the way back at the start now,
and then I can just sort of relive that and
just sort of guide him as as I can. But yeah,
it's nice to go through that whole journey again.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Well, good on your mate, you're a great New Zealand
and really appreciate talking to you today. All right, I
wish you much happiness.

Speaker 5 (01:37:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
So is one of the things that there's a difference
between happiness and satisfaction. I guess that what it is.
So if you're just craving set happiness, you'll never be
happy all the time. People go, I want to be happy.
No one will be happy all the time because you
wouldn't be able to tell the difference between happy and
not happy. If you're happy all the time, they be
based level. You want to be generally content with a
few spikes, Yeah, right, that's a good life, right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Yeah, I mean it's been okay with a bit of
suffering that you're going to undoubtedly experience in your life
and levels of suffering. But you're right those boring, mundane
moments that people might't think. Man, I wish my life
is better. The ability to sit in contentment with is
a lot of good things that happen in your life,
and right now it might be a bit of a
low I think comes into it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Happiness is the wrong goal, says in. It comes and
it goes. Enjoy it when you have it. The goal
should be to live a meaningful life, and that is
different for everyone. Yeah, thank you for that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
It is twenty nine to four, but keen to get
your views on this. O one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to CAUR headlines coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Yeah, have you reached success and have you felt with it?
And how do you enjoy success? And how do you
keep your goals going after you've had success?

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Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Thank you very much. Raylean. So we're talking about how
do you enjoy the successes you've had in your life.
This is after Scotti Scheffler speaking to media ahead of
the open at the Royal Port Rush, which he went
on to win. He was asked how long he celebrates
his victories, and he went on to say, there's a
lot of people that make it to what they thought
was going to fulfill them in life, and you get there,
you get to number one in the world, and they're like,

(01:39:47):
what is the point?

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Post achievement. Depression is a real thing, says this Texa
Scheffler said to Well, after winning, he said, golf comes
third in my life, after spirituality, family, then golf in
that order, which was pretty thoughtful according to Ann I agree,
whereas this text disagrees. I'm sure the US are three

(01:40:11):
point one million dollar British Open prize money East his
angst and we'll keep them going for more than five
minutes of joy. Well, if you look at it, Tim
like that because this text pushes back against that attitude
and says relative happy happiness is fleeting and transient. Absolute
happiness is enduring and not achieved by titles, trinkets and toys.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
Yeah, that is a great text. There's a lot of
truth in that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
A lot of philosophers listen to Matt and Tyler afternoons
on news talk ZB and.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
We love that. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 7 (01:40:43):
Pro.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 22 (01:40:45):
Hey, how you going, John?

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Very well? Better since you have called in your views
on on on happiness.

Speaker 22 (01:40:51):
Yeah, I feel really sorry to that gulp. I think
sharing happiness is kind of a lifetime goal for all
of us, which should be and we're not always going
to feel happiness, but I think finding moments of happiness
and each week, day or you're doing as kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
At the purpose.

Speaker 22 (01:41:11):
And I mean, I'm the guy that rang before was
an amazing he sounded like an amazing guy, and I
think he kind of had the nail on the head
when he sitting He didn't keep reaching for goals after
he got the New Zealand Trophy. And I guess when
you're hitting to the number one in the world, it
would be hard to think, well, what's coming after that?

(01:41:33):
Where I don't know pages and stages of life. I
guess he could shifting focus to something completely different and
just always trying be the best that he can be.
And everything you pursue and find moments of joy and.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Everything that you do, is it something that you're striving for?

Speaker 24 (01:41:49):
Pro?

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
Is this something that you think if you achieved would
lead to a huge sense of well, being.

Speaker 22 (01:41:57):
I'm generally a really happy person. So yeah, I mean, yeah,
we went through the worst year of our life last
year with our daughter who developed a really serious men
about condition. And even in then, it's you know, every
day I would find something that I was happy and
grateful for, whether it was simply just her recovering minutely.

(01:42:21):
So yeah, I just think, if you look for the bed,
you're going to find the bed, But if you look
for the good, you're always going to find the good.
And yeah, it's kind of I love my life.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
I'm sorry to hear that pro house you going this year.

Speaker 22 (01:42:37):
We're getting there here. It's been an eighteen months blog,
and I mean, I'm not ashamed.

Speaker 16 (01:42:42):
So she had she.

Speaker 22 (01:42:43):
Developed dinners here and it's a it's a family condition
for us. So it's something I haven't personally lived through.
Back from other people that haven't, it's a bugger of
a disease and if you don't get it early, then
in years recovering. Yeah, I'm so proud of parents. And
we find enjoy every single day, and you know, I'm

(01:43:04):
just celebrating how well she's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
It's interesting when you talk about peaks and and troughs,
when it comes to happiness because you know, sometimes there's
a huge sort of you know, struggle like you've faced
in your life with your daughter, and then you look
back before that, before the problem, and you think what
was my problem?

Speaker 9 (01:43:22):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
So yeah, you know, sometimes there's been really terrible things
that have happened in my life and I've gone I
was winging two weeks ago about something so meaningless compared
compared to this, And so it's quite good to keep
that in mind, isn't it that You know, that's a
funny way to put it, but terrible things can just
pop up at any point, and if you don't find
happiness when things are okay, you don't know know the

(01:43:46):
struggles that are going to come up.

Speaker 22 (01:43:49):
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, And we've got one life to live like.
We're going to be the age that we are once
in our life. Our kids are going to be the
age there once in their life, and we're never going
to get younger. So we've just got to appreciate and
enjoy every everything I life can give.

Speaker 6 (01:44:02):
You.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Good on your pre you sound like a fantastic human
and all the best with what's happening in your life.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
What a great losophy you have beautiful attitude. Absolutely. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
How do you celebrate the successes in your life and
hold on to what could be considered joy. Love to
hear your stories and experiences finding happiness. It is twenty
one to four.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks, they'd.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
Be eighteen to four. Some great teas coming through on
achieving success and how to hold on to joy if
it is possible.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Charan says, in terms of individual sports, I think achievements
are even more noticeable as they have, in a sense,
done it on their own as an athlete. However, they
definitely do have a team behind them. I'm talking from
experience with my daughter who is a high achieving athlete,
and the dedication they show is remarkable. Yeah, this sounds
like I'm name dropping again, because I am.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
You've spoken to a lot of very successful people.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
But we were interviewing pau McCartney once from the Beatles
and just ask him a question. Do you think that
the success you had with the Beatles was a bit
different than Elvis's success because Alvis had all these problems
and the Beatles eventually had some problems, but Elvis was
on his own. It was just Elvis. He had the
Memphis Mafia. Do you and we just asked the question,

(01:45:23):
how do you think it would have been if it
had just been Paul McCartney right through those crazy you'll
beat him anial years and he goes, oh, I wouldn't
have been a handle it. I was in a bubble
with my best mates and so we could celebrate our
success together. And I think that that sort of speaks
to the success with the team and working and struggling
towards something where the team is the most meaningful full thing.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Yeah. Absolutely, to have your tribe there and you're achieving
and you get success.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Yeah, Sexts said, I would have no greater satisfaction in
life then the Warriors winning the NRL premiership would die
a happy man up the.

Speaker 7 (01:45:56):
Nevin.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
You're speaking for a lot of people there. I think
it's a great text after this long.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
It would be interesting if and look, we're in the
top four, but if you dared to dream that it
was possible, Boy, tell you what the top the three
teams above us pretty tough. But anyway, let's not get
into it. It would be so interesting when the Warriors
finally do one. Yeah, it's like when the Cubs finally
won or the Red Sox finally won after all those years.

(01:46:23):
Interesting to see what would happen with the country exactly, Steve,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (01:46:28):
Kilda killdo a good subject. I'm surprised that this golfer
kid what he said. You know, if you listened to
the last half hour of talkback, you'd have it atle
sort of the advice. It's been great.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
We'll package it up and send it over to Yeah,
I think you should.

Speaker 11 (01:46:49):
But yeah, he'll be right. I think he just needs
to maybe turn his skills to get where he got
e golfing to the rest of to the rest of
his life, because no doubt he's he knows how to
process moment by moment and do the details.

Speaker 5 (01:47:07):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:47:07):
My own well, I feel I'm having a really successful
life in my and I'm I'm sort of middle aged
dude now getting moving on in the years, and I've
never been enjoying my life more more than now. But
it didn't come by accident. I had to crawl out
of a hole several holes actually years ago. I just look,

(01:47:28):
I've had a big journey on to get to where
I'm at. But I personally don't think that anyone in
today's world is able to stand on their own two
feet by their upbringing of that family alone. Put it
this way. Everyone I admire met, some of them have

(01:47:49):
come from great homes, but they've got further coaching, further training,
they've upskilled themselves, developed themselves. You know, there's life coaches
and all of that sort of thing. And then of
course they have their own personal drive to stand and
everybody who stands out in the world today seems to
have that kind of input.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Steve, and I'm very
glad that you that you're the happiest you've ever been
in life.

Speaker 24 (01:48:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
Absolutely, This is a nice text. Listen to some of
Chris Martin's philosophical outlook on life, modest views, and willingness
to help others and emphasize that we all have the
same needs in life. He certainly seems like a guy
that is quite introspective and he's had immense success in
his life Chris Martin, But I imagine even Chris Martin
would have his low days sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Well, I was just thinking this morning, I was listening
to my cost game and he was eviscerating Chris Martin
for the situation around the CEO and the cheating scandal
on the Kis Camp kind of situation and saying that
Chris Martin hadn't come through and said anything. But I
imagine having spoken to Chris Martin, he would be feeling
it because it was just a little thing, right, It's

(01:48:57):
just it went up and it's blown up on these people,
and of course there's families involved and lives are ruined.
But that was never the intention of that, that Kiss
Camp situation. It was just a little fun thing that
he does in the in the concerts.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
A little joke.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Yeah, So you know, I imagine Chris Martin is currently
at a looner his life. Yeah, dealing with thinking about
the magnitude of that's that's that that particular moment. The
happiness is relative. If you haven't faced adversity, sets backs,
and injury or trauma, then the success is going to
feel a lot different to someone who has experienced that.

(01:49:31):
I have replaced myself with three better human beings in myself.
I made my three kids my career work coming second.
They are good people, well partnered, and happen to be
career successful. That brings me joy and happiness every day.
I'd like more dollars to retire on, but this is better.
Only wish that they are all lived a bit closer.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
That is beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
There you go, family friends, It's pretty good stuff. Dallas.

Speaker 30 (01:49:55):
Yeah, Hi, guys, what about perfection of them? Like golf,
golf is a different sports, kind of unique sport, because
your your opponent is the golf course, right, Yeah, you're
trying to You're trying to beat the golf course, not
another person.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
Yeah, I guess you are the person. You're trying to
beat yourself. You're trying to beat your own head.

Speaker 30 (01:50:16):
You blame yourself yet, because the quest is perfection and
it's easily measurable, and golf you can easily measure success
because the hole on the one hole in one is
the ultimate and the ultimate round would be eighteen for eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
That if you get if you could drive the length
of a part five.

Speaker 30 (01:50:40):
Yeah, so they're trying for that. They're trying to achieve
a square of eighteen, which obviously you never get, but
they're trying. So it's a perfections sport and.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
And it's a punishing sport if you think about you're
swinging your club and even a millimeter wrong, and that
over the length let's just say the length of a drive,
that that millimeter hitting it wrong just gets exponentially exaggerated.
So the accuracy you have to have playing golf to
the level that shift the plays like so intense.

Speaker 30 (01:51:15):
I think you should sometime on perfections because that's Steve
Hansen's story. That was interesting, Like he's a perfectionist, right,
he didn't allow himself or the or Blacks any any
joy joy.

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
I agreed, Dallas, And I've been around a lot of
very successful people who are perfectionists, and I see it,
and I have seen it where they are so much
of a perfectionist that they can't see when they've actually
done quality, good work because it wasn't quite perfect. So
they never feel that joy of actually doing a good
job because they can always find something that didn't quite

(01:51:51):
go to plan. And that's that's a hard thing to
live with for a lot of people because that's why
they're successful.

Speaker 9 (01:51:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
Yeah, Yeah, there you go. Welcome to the show. Ba
from the North Shore.

Speaker 16 (01:52:04):
Yeah, Hey, guys, just listening to the talk, I totally
agree with quite a number of your callers there. You know,
my keys for success or faith, my family and faro
and just really those are the two key things of
course success. I've spent the last three weeks in the

(01:52:25):
intensive care the ADU unit at by Takadair Hospital, and
my brother's been in there. He's been really really ill,
and Tommy four times he was going to die. And
you learn pretty quick what happiness really means to you
because the toys and all the things that you have.
And but I tell you what, when I saw obviously

(01:52:46):
we pray for them. But at the same time we
had our Farna come through and the Faro, the family
came through. And he's seventy years old, but family came through,
and all his friends from yais saying, Glenn Eden came
through and man, I tell you what. The doctors sat
there two weeks later and said, you don't know how

(01:53:07):
this can come up, but he was sitting up and
he was, you know, And and that was true success
for all of us because he'd built up a yeah,
he'd built up a family that really loved him and
cared for him, and he built up a whole group
of friends. And I'll tell you now, a lot of
people might look and think, oh, yeah, they're just west Is,
but I'll tell you their heart and the way to

(01:53:29):
that they had was phenomenal. And I knew he felt it,
and he just got better and better. And now we haven't.
He's still not out of the woods, but he's he's
now in a private hospital where they're really caring for him,
and he's really blossoming.

Speaker 24 (01:53:44):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:53:45):
So you've got to weigh up you know what is
when you have success? You know what is you walk
down those wards and you soon find out. You know,
when you see these long, you know, rectangular metal things
going past you, you know that that's another person. That's
just the part. Then you realize, you know what weighing

(01:54:05):
up success really is. You know, I think that's my secret.
If I was going to answer, there'd been my face.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
Yeah, obviously that puts things into PERSEEKTI Ba absolutely, thank
you very much. I'm glad your friend is doing a
bit better now. Right, we're going to play some messages,
but when we come back, we'll wrap this all up.
It is eight minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
Before about this message from that was written a few
years ago by this woman, Holly Butcher. It was twenty
four hours before she died of cancer, and this is
what she said. It's a strange thing to come to
the terms with your own mortality. At twenty six. We
go through life expecting tomorrow, planning for the future, and
imagining growing old. I dreamt of a life filled with love,
children and laughter, but cancer had other plans. Now I

(01:55:03):
see how fragile and precious life is. Each day is
a gift, not a guarantee. I didn't write this to
make anyone fear death, but to remind you not to
sweet the small stuff, appreciate the now, be grateful for
your body, move it, feed it well, and don't waste
money hating it. Stop fixating on floors that won't matter
in the end. Instead, breathe in fresh air so can nature,
and taken the beauty of simply being alive. Spend your

(01:55:25):
time on experiences, not things. Don't miss a beach trip
because you bought another dress, Cook a meal for a friend,
write them a heartfelt note and say I love you often.
Wine less, help more, give generously. It brings more joy
than anything money can buy. And value people's time. Show up,
be present, and put down your phone. You don't need
a perfect body, a high paying job, or an instagram

(01:55:47):
worthy life. Do what makes your heart happy. Say say
no to things that drain you. And if someone makes
you miserable, change it, and someone, if something makes you miserable,
change it, and please donate. Blot it gave me another
year with my loved ones, a year filled with some
of the best memories of my life. That gift meant
everything until then till we meet again, see you.

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
As beautiful mate. Thank you very much. Right that is
us for another day.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Yeah. Why am I playing this song?

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
Oh better Black Sabbath, of course because sadly the Prince
of Darkness passed away of a night but water tune
and what a man.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
And correct It's mum I'm coming home, a solo Ozzy
Osborne song from the No More Tears album from nineteen
ninety one. But right now, thank you for listening. Everyone,
see it tomorrow afternoon. Until then, give a taste of Keaty.

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