Full Show Podcast: 23 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Afternoons Full Show Pod number one three one for
the twenty third of May twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
It is a Friday, and what a show it was
our day.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Boy, oh boy, we got some heartwarming stories about grandparents
and the superpower that as grandparenting for humans.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
And boy, that one really that.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Really took off.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Oh boy, we got we got a lot of abuse
in that hour. Oh my god, you did.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, I did a lot of abuse for backing up grandparents.
I can't understand it. And that one text par rout,
I mean, when you hear it, you'll know it. It
was full noise.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
And the thing is, there is this type of person
that hates humanity and thinks anyone that says that supports
child rearing in any ways evil. There's people that think
humans are a cancer and a planet nihilist. I guess
you'd call them are extinct extinctionalists, self hating human Yeah,
there's a few of those that come through. So that's entertaining,

(01:13):
and then the wheels came off with our chat around buses.
You've got to say, the wheels came off that chat.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, there's a lot of chat about adult nappies man nappies,
so you just have to listen to find out why.
And we helped the lady calls. Well, I think we
helped Sally. She seemed pretty happy. It's funny to hear
that call.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
She just rang up like we were the call center
to book her a bus for her niece that.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Was coming up from the county Carbon Coast to Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
So she just rang up and see win does the
bus leave and how much is it?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
It was eighty nine dollars unless she upgraded the gold
and how's the Wi Fi work?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
So anyway, it was lovely. We're a call center forbid
on the show, but I had a great time.

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Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said the.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Welcome into the show Friday afternoon. I hope you're doing well.
Whatever you're listening in the country yet a matts.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
So I've been talking up this new Tom Cruise movie,
the Eighth Mission. Impospital went to it last night.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Loved it.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
The Final Reckoning, I loved it. I just think the
stunts he does is so fantastic. But a lot of
pushback on it. But does it time to just taser
all movie critics because they've been complaining about this movie.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
A few of them they it'll be huge because.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
It's Mission Impossible, it's the eighth and they're fantastic movies
and people love them everyday. People like me love them
because it gives us what it wants. It gives us
a bit of story, some action, some beautiful ladies, and
it just gives you everything you need. Plus the stunts
are done by Tom Cruise, so it adds that extra

(03:04):
jeopardy to it. But then you read these reviews and
they're and they're they're nickel and diming.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
What more do you want?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
You've got him hanging off a freaking plane. He's risking
his life to entertain you.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
It's because these toffee nosed numbties they're expecting Shindler's List.
I mean, it's a freaking action movie. It's entertaining. It's
not meant to be that deep, you morons. I'm with
young critics. They do my inn.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, but I guess if you're a critic, you go
to a movie in a very different way. I go
to a movie and I go, oh, what you got?
Oh that's great, it's pretty good. Stunts in it, it's
pretty good. I mean, like all Mission impossible movies, I
never quite understand the plot. There's always you got to
get this thing to that thing, to do that thing
and meet that person to get them to do this,
and I lose my way.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
It can be confusing, but I like.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
The set pieces and I'm heavily entertained.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
And the stunts are amazing. Yeah, so well worth a watch.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh I think it was. I think it's good and
so I mean it's got eighty percent on Rotten Tomatoes,
so begrudgingly. Aren z Is given it one point five
out of five.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Of course they did.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Who's are in z that's a New Zealand organization?

Speaker 6 (04:05):
Are in?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I don't know whoever are in z are? They've given
get out? What do you want from your movie?

Speaker 3 (04:11):
You're joyless. You joyless people, life suckingly joyless people organization
as don't listen to it.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Hailey Atwell, I love her, She's fantastic in it.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Absolutely. I've got to say IMDb eight point four. And
that's see IMDb is ordinary people like you and me
most of the time, so that I can rely on.
But Roden Tomatoes and these you know, these critics who
get paid for this sint of nonsense. Well, just don't
listen to it.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
What is wrong with you? If you gave that movie
one point five?

Speaker 3 (04:42):
What do you need? Do you want Tom Cruise to
actually die before you're happy?

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Is that?

Speaker 7 (04:45):
What?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
You want to actually blow himself up?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
What has happened to it?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Do you want them to fall off the plane? Are
you not entertained? Whatever? Arenz it is?

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, felt good to get off our chests. Right on
to today's show after three movie critic is Critical Drinker
on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah he's great.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Love Critical Drinker. Yeah, very good. Right, today's show after
three thirty, we're gonna have a chet too. A Kiwi
guy called Josh Lee's he's a musician, incredibly talented. You've
seen him perform before Matt and he is a contender
for Timberland. So Timberland, as you know, global musical superstar.
He's huge and he's got a global talent search underway.
He is offering five artists the chance to be featured

(05:25):
on his next album and the winner gets thirty thousand
dollars US as well as a studio session with timber Lance.
At this guy, Josh Leed's is in the running.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, and look, I've seen this guy Josh Le's perform.
He's fantastic. He's got shiny, glittery suits. I don't know
where he gets them from, but they're incredible. He's like
a walking disco ball. He's got me on the d
floor a number of times.

Speaker 8 (05:45):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
He has one man band that can get an entire
room from sitting down eating their dinner, up on the
tables dancing and he'll be up there with you. He's
just an entertainment machine. This guy, I love him.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yep. So we're having a chat to him at three
thirty looking forward to that. After three o'clock, would you
consider a coffee detox and you study Out of the
UK is linking our excessive caffeine and take with the
explosion of anxiety. We are experiencing at the moment, and
it's causing such disruption in the workplace.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, because one coffee great, two coffeese. By the time
you've had five or six coffees, you're starting to get
a little bit anxious. You're getting that a sense of impending.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Due jitters are coming up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, that's why I gave up coffee completely. Coffee detos. Yeah,
and it's it's going well. But I'll tell you what
I ended up like on the count when I when
I gave it coffee, I ended up shaking, freezing. I
was so addicted to it. It was like I had
a full could.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
You would when you went cold turkey? You came in
and said, no more coffee for me. I knew it
was not going to be easy, but that look looking
forward to that chat after three o'clock. After two o'clock,
when did we start turning our noses up at the
intercity bus. A lot of complaints about how expensive it
is to fly to the regions. Yeah, but the inner
city bus, the price is right. In the city bus
travel is so surprisingly cheap and it is good. I

(06:59):
got a bus from denin Over to Queenstown recently and
I would recommend it. It's beautiful, you sit up high,
the views, incredible wi Fi the whole way. We got
Wi Fi, Yeah, Wi Fi. I was watching American football
the whole way live on the bus. You've got individual TVs,
a one big one in the middle.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
No, I was just watching on my laptop.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Ah, right, yeah, yeah, of course, yeah, you don't need TVs.
I've you got WiFi.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, so you've got Wi Fi. So it's just and
beautiful views out the windows.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
And it was just it's so easy.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
You don't have to go through all the rigmarole of
the security and such and going out to an airport.
You just get your stuff hiffed underneath, get on the
bus that drop you off at well a weird remote
junction that I dropped off arrow junction whatever. But I
thought this is a way to travel.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
So maybe not Auckland to Wellington, maybe not in the
cargo to Nelson. I don't know, think of the big
road things you can do. But if it's just if
it's a if it's a three to five hour journey
into into cities the way, right, But amongst it. When
I've talked about this before, a lot of pits push back.

(08:01):
Some people absolutely hate the buses and have had terrible
experiences on them.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
All Right, we'll see if that happens again, because we're
going to open up the phone lines on that after
two o'clock. But right now, let's have a shed about
making babies or raising babies more specifically, so changes to
the Best Start tax Credit announcing the budget yesterday has
annoyed some organizations and parents. It's going to be means tested,
and those parents and organizations argue that more than ever,

(08:29):
parents need that extra assistance to raise children. Quite often
both of the parents are working full time. It's incredibly
expensive and getting more expensive to raise a child properly.
So they are worried that this means testing the Best
Start tax Credit will mean make it harder for good
parents to raise good babies.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Our economy is such and the way things are set
up that it's so very hard to bring up children. Yeah,
so everyone who doesn't hate humanity now we're looking at
the numbers, realizes we need more children, but falling upon
the individual people to make.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
It, it's quite difficult.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
And whatever you think about this Best Start credit or whatever,
I was listening to this podcast and this is what
I want to talk about today that's just come out
this this guy who's been called the world's first Dulwinian
die pediatrician, doctor Paul Turk. I was listening to him
on this podcast and he was talking about grandparents and

(09:22):
the importance evolutionarily of grandparents in the bringing up of children,
and it made me think about how the economy can
work and we can have more children. I think it
comes down to grandparents today again. I think that has
to be the biggest part of a huge part of
the equation. He's described as grandparents as the human eye,

(09:45):
human optimizing machine. Parents was grandparents was the difference for
our society. It was, it was, and it's one of
the reasons they believe why we live much longer than
other animals, and why we live much longer than the apes.
It's because the grandparents are needed to bring up the
kids and absolutely crucial of their children so the children

(10:10):
can be going out and finding their way in the world.
And then the hugely important role for humanity of grandparents
to bring up the kids. Let's list listen to this
as doctor Paul Turk.

Speaker 9 (10:20):
Here, grandparents. First of all, we used to live about
as long as the other apes, So about six million
years ago, and the way we sort of extended our
reproductive viability, most likely especially for grandmothers. If menopause was ancient,
as we think it was, it was by caring for children,

(10:41):
so reproducing indirectly taking care of the kids we've already reproduced,
and helping them in One of the big ways we
help them is by taking care of their children. And
so there's been this long running history of grandparents and
babies and children and grandchildren interacting and helping one helping

(11:02):
one another, and I think it's good for both both sets.
We sort of have an epidemic of unhappy grandparents, at
least in the US, and I think in other parts
of the world too, and sitting on the beach having
your penia collada or golfing or whatever can be fine,

(11:25):
but you get a lot more satisfaction over the long run.
I think if you're useful, if you're helping people.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, there you go. So the optimizing machine grandparents the
human optimizing machine. So how does it work?

Speaker 10 (11:44):
Though?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
If we need it? Society can can? Can we can
we make this happen more? Do we not celebrate grandparents enough?
How does it work for you have you moved back
home to your hometown to be near your parents so
they can help. If you're if you're a grandparents, that
is that is it meaningful for you? Are you being
allowed into the life to help help with the kids.
Is this the way the economy should work, that you

(12:06):
have a working period and then you have a period
we look after your kids' kids, because right now if
we need more people, it's too hard.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
It's so hard for people. Yeah, and it's people don't
want to give up their careers.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
But in hunter and gatherer times, you didn't give up
your career to have kids because you went out and
you went hunting and you went out gathering in the
grandparents after the kids.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah. And the other side of the equation, I mean
this is in our own family that there are children
who are over in Australia and they are the first
to have the grandchildren. So you've got the grandparents over
here and that is so difficult for them. Because that
makes sense what doctor Paul dur could say. When I
see Mave's mom who some Maide's sister had the first
child in the family, that's the first grandchild, and Lisa,

(12:47):
she is obsessed same with my mum, my older bro.
He had the first grandchild in the family and mama
is absolutely assessed, obsessed. But they're in Australia, so that
makes it incredibly hard. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, controversially, this this evolutionary pediatrician as saying that that's
why menopause exists. Menopause was evolved in humans, so people
left the child producing stage and entered the child caring
for stage. But it's not just woman, it's granddads as well. Yeah,

(13:17):
so how is that something we need to celebrate more?
Is that something that we need to do, something to facilitate?
Is it something that's still happening?

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah? I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty give
us a call. If you're a grandparent and you're in
that situation, love to hear from you. And if you're
a parent that leans heavily through necessity on your parents
to help with the raising of your children. I eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's eighteen past one or is.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
It all a load of crap? And we should all
just lock ourselves in our own hand our houses and
have one person looking after all the kids in a
lonely sad fashion and give up their whole life to
do it.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
And just quickly there's a text that has come through
from a grandparent quite controversial, or read that out very shortly.
It is eighteen past one.

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Speaker 1 (14:03):
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Speaker 7 (14:06):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
A good afternoon to you. So, parents, younger parents out there,
how important are your parents when it comes to raising
your children? It is incredibly tough for new parents these
days when you have to you know, both parents working
full time, then the cost of childcare, the general expense
of raising a child, It can be very difficult, particularly

(14:29):
when it comes to the time right and that is
when arguably you should be trying to lean into your
parents aka the grandparents, to try and help someone.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, but the situation now is that grandparents are having
to work till they're older and older to pay for
things as well. So our grandparents. As a doctor Paul Chuk,
the first Darwinian pediatrician, has said, human optimizing machines is
it's still something that's happening a lot. How hard is
it to bring up kids without grandparents? To help and

(14:59):
maybe you just want to give some love and thanks
to your parents for helping with their kids.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call browin Hello.

Speaker 11 (15:08):
Hello there.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
And you are a grandparent yourself.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
I am.

Speaker 11 (15:13):
I'm a grandmother. I have two grandchildren, and yeah, I
think it's just really like for myself, see my children,
both of my children work with their partners, and being
able to support them on the site as grandma having babies,

(15:33):
looking after the baby while they're at work is really
essential because the cost of living is just crazy.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
So do you feel like you've had to give up
something in your life to help out with these kids
or is it something that you just love doing.

Speaker 12 (15:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (15:50):
So I was up until the end of last year
and I've cut back to two days so that I
can support my children with their children three days out
of my week.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (16:03):
Yeah, and it's it's just I don't know how they're
able to, yeah, do it alone in this day and age. Myself,
I've got ten children myself, and I had a reference
support with my parents, my siblings. We all just helped
each other and it was the norm. But now, I mean,

(16:23):
my daughter's only got one.

Speaker 13 (16:25):
Child and it's a struggle street.

Speaker 11 (16:27):
So I just want to be there for her and
her husband and just be available. Yeah, three days out
of the week I make myself available for her.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
And that must make a huge difference for her. Do
you feel the gratitude?

Speaker 14 (16:43):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (16:43):
Absolutely, Well she's a full time teacher, you see, so
she comes home and then she's got her baby, and
it's like, no you need you know, she's her and
her husband are paying mortgage, doing the do It was
so easy for us, like thirty years ago to pay
our mortgage. My husband was the only worker in my time.

(17:04):
I was at a full time month and it was
doable thirty years ago. But now it's near impossible.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
And I'm all good.

Speaker 11 (17:12):
With so much cheaper, it's near impossible to buy a
house these days, I just say, now they do it,
so anyway I can contribute to make it a bit
easier for my children.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, I'm there.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Well, good on your brom and thank you so much
for your for your call. Yeah, it's an interesting one because, say,
if we're looking at it, it was always the way
for all of history that grandparents brought up the kids
and the parents.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
We're out doing what they were doing. That's why it works.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
That's how you know, you look at evolutionarily and then
that was it's only recently where that stopped. And it's
because now the economy is such, you know, all the
way our economy works is that generally speaking, you need
two incomes coming in to do it. It's a real
luxury position where someone gets to stay at home and
look after the kids. Absolutely, yeah, but yeah, so give

(18:00):
us a call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty our
grandparents human optimizing machines.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yep, it is twenty five past one. Back Thary shortly.
But keen on your thoughts and stories. You listening to
Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Good afternoon, putting.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
The tough questions to the newspeakers the mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 15 (18:16):
Myna's minister, Nichola Willis is with us nineteen year olds
who are unemployed. You're going to mean to test the parents.

Speaker 16 (18:21):
I have talked to parents who say it's pretty tough
for you.

Speaker 15 (18:25):
But it depends where MICHELA, don't play this game with me.
It depends where are you going to means test the mat?
Is it one eighty plus or is it a lot lower?
And a lot of parents are going to go I
can't afford to do that.

Speaker 16 (18:33):
We only really want it to be in exceptional circumstances,
because our base expectation is if you can't get a job,
you should be in training.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
You're talking to much?

Speaker 17 (18:42):
How much?

Speaker 15 (18:42):
Nicola? How much does a parent have to earn before
you ping them? Should it be one eighty plus?

Speaker 16 (18:46):
Well, I actually think it should be less than that.
Kednat Will obviously has to deliberate.

Speaker 15 (18:50):
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Speaker 3 (18:56):
Twenty eight past one. Yeah, are you only getting by?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Are you only able to have kids because of help
from your grandparents and family? One hundred and eighteen eighty.
We're talking about this new this this evolutionary scientist has
come out and said the grandparents of human optimizing machines. Jill,
welcome the show.

Speaker 17 (19:17):
Hi, how are you very good?

Speaker 3 (19:19):
What's your situation?

Speaker 14 (19:21):
Well?

Speaker 17 (19:21):
I would just like to say that thirty years ago
I had a baby. I was married, and we were
going to have to put him into care because we
couldn't afford our mortgage then without both of us working,
and we don't have a flash house by any stretch
of the imagination. And my mother in law gave her
job up to stay home for a year and look

(19:41):
after our child. And the difference with my child has
just showing throughout the years. The grandparent imput is so important.

Speaker 12 (19:52):
Now.

Speaker 17 (19:52):
My parents were involved as well. They were a fair
bit older than my in laws. But if it hadn't
a been for who, I don't think my son would
have got such a good start in life. And there's
a lot of people out there that use their children
as ammunition against the parents. We saw a lot of
it through COVID where grandparents were taken away from their

(20:14):
grandchildren because they wouldn't have an injection, and we're paying
the price for that. Extended families are so important, it
goes beyond the pale. We just don't give grandparents enough
kudos for what they do for us.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, thank you so much for you call, Jill. Yeah,
I guess that's what I'm saying. So if that's what
we need. Although someone does point out a team somewhat
of something, this is really good to think about. A
team who benefits from houses costing so much now that
it requires two incomes to satisfy a mortgage. You know
how to two taxpayers in the household? Ones? Yeah, I mean,
it is interesting that the thing has been jigged so

(20:53):
at some point in our history. When was it primarily
woman stayed at home with the kids, And then through
the fifties, sixties, seventies, a lot, a lot of it
happened after World War Two when women had to work
in factories and keep things going at home. Things changed, Yep.
Pill came online and things changed, and then women were

(21:13):
more out in the workplace. And now you know, it's
crazy to think that they weren't here a lot back
in the day. But then the economy didn't go, oh well,
people are going to get two incomes, we're going to
be twice twice as wealthy, and everyone's going to be
going great. No, somehow the economy changed the point now
where you need two people.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
To work exactly. Yeah, spot off, oh one eighty ten eighty.
If you're a parent, are you only getting by by
relying on the grandparents to help raise your children if
you both have to work with the cost of childcare?
Love to hear from you on oh eight, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
This Texas is team Why didn't that last caller who's
extra three days a week worked the extra three days
a week and subsidize her child's her grandchild's daycare.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Dave. That's a horrible thought.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
So he would prefer that the grand parent wasn't with
the kids, but was working and paying someone else to
look after the kids.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, complex, Dave, Yeah, very complex. Right, headlines with Raylene
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Speaker 3 (23:26):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we're talking about
the role of grandparents when it comes to raising their
children's children, the grandkids, so to speak. Are you, as
a parent only getting by by relying on the grandparents
in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
So they's got angry texts to come through here. Matt
outspoken as always and ready to speak. So you reckon
grandparents should raise kids while scraping by on a pension.
Maybe check the latest budget. It's tighter than a drum
and half the country is living off charity handouts. Nobody
talks about grandparents are already working past retirement to pay
their own bills. Thanks for the cost of living crisis
and taxes they bleed us dry. If the government really cared,
they turn New Zealand into a high paying jobs paradise

(24:04):
and a tax haven. Not keep milking the same old
struggling families. You know, are you going to call out
this mess instead of expecting miracles from the older generation
who completely not listening to what I was saying, absolutely
not listening to what I say. No one was compelling
grandparents to go and look after the kids. We were
saying simply asking, are you only getting by because you

(24:27):
have your grandparents helping out with your family? That's what
we're saying, And we're saying that, evolutionarily speaking, that has
always been the way that.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Grandparents have looked after the kids.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
And we're saying that it's a bad thing that we
live in an economy where that can't work, but it
might actually be a beautiful thing. The pan generational stuff
is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
We love it.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
But not making not compelling parents like this clearly insane
person is texted.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
But also start moving in and you've talked about this
many times on this program, but start moving back towards
the idea of multiple generations living together right on the
same plot of land or in the same household. It
is done. It is pretty common in Eastern countries and
whether we start moving in that direction. And grandparents are
a big part of raising children. Love to hear from

(25:10):
you though. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Phil,
you've got three children.

Speaker 13 (25:16):
Yeah, I've got three kids. We've had one six year
old and we've tried for another one then that whims.
So we've got three children now and yeah, they're just
pass of raising the kids and you're doing it's just achievable. Almost.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Were you in the same town as your as your
parents or did you have to do you have to
change things around for them to come and help.

Speaker 13 (25:37):
We moved back to New Yland from Australia and my
wife's Australian. We had our first kid in Australia and
then coming back here we had the twins. So we've
got one grandparents helps as much as she can, right
and she sending my wife back to work. She wants
to go back to work. These are there six months
old now and we just count aford it's us about
twelve hundred a fortnight would take it.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Wow, Yeah, yeah, I mean that's absolutely crazy. How much
it is, And so do you mind me asking how
old you're howld? Is it your mother? Who's the grandparent
that's helping out?

Speaker 13 (26:12):
So it's my mother?

Speaker 8 (26:13):
Yeah, that helps.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, she's still working. Yeah, I mean that's the thing,
because you know, that's the elephant and room in this.
And you can talk, as someone said, like it's all
very well when someone says, hey, boys, sounds great. When
we all lived in the extended family in the cave
by a river, scrubbing yourself with a rock, life had
moved on as far as working families goes, I'm sick

(26:36):
of paying for the kids that are not mine. Okay, yeah,
I mean it's all very well to go back as
this evolutionary scientists and said, and that's the way it
used to be. But you know your mum has to
still keep working to support herself, doesn't she.

Speaker 13 (26:50):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, I mean twelve hundred bucks a fortnite, that's more
than my mortgage. That is crazy on childcare, and that
that is part of the equation writers. Yeah, when you
look into the subsidies for childcare, but also how much
they charge, and each childcare is different, you know, that
is part of the equation. As well, mean, it is
incredibly difficult. So you and your partner both work full time,

(27:11):
I take it, Phil.

Speaker 13 (27:13):
Yeah, I'm South from Floyd and my partner works in
the police and she wants to go back to work,
but we just can't afford to at the moment.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
And and do you think as you're I mean, it's
a difficult question to ask you, but do you think
that you're you know that your mum gets something out
of spending time with your children and vice versa. Do
you think there's there's a positive side to it outside
of just the the you know, the necessity of it.

Speaker 13 (27:39):
Understand, it's definitely rewarding for her as well. She loves it.
But yeah, it's just it's a hard one over here.
I don't know, I don't know what they're going to
do about it.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Phil.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
This Texas is I love staying with my grandparents. As
a young kid, my papa got me enjoying lumpy porridge
and sugar sandwiches.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, I mean, just to fill situation. You can hear
the frustration and his voice and how hard it is
for him as a parent, and he's that's certainly a
common theme with a lot of new parents these days.
But the text is coming through saying just stop having
more kids. But that's the problem, right, That's the whole
point of this discussion is we do need more children
in New Zealand. We need to keep the population going.

(28:20):
And the very fact that parents or young people are
turning around and saying I'm not going to have children
because it's too expensive or I can't figure out how
to make it work or give them enough time to
be a good parent, that is the crux of the problem.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, and maybe all we're saying is, you know the
idiot that texting before and said we were somehow compelling
grandparents to do it. You know, we're you know, the
text machine's open to insane people as well. But what
we're saying is should grandparents be celebrated more as that
were in society. We're not celebrating the contribution that grandparents
make to it more more because you know, as this

(28:56):
guy said, they're human optimizing machines, which is kind of
dehumanizing them. But that's one of the reasons why we're
such a successful as a species is because our species
changed it's lifestyle and it's I mean it's life cycle,
so grandparents. So we lived long enough that the grandparents
could look after the.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Kids spot on.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, So I don't know, it's obviously we're just having
the discussion about it. I'm not sure how you make
it happen or whether it's even a good thing that
we live in an economy where it seems like you
do need grandparents to help out in a lot of
occasions or us it's not impossible and as a result
our birth rates are so loo.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty love to
get your thoughts on this. Are you only getting by
by relying on the grandparents your parents to outraise your
children and do we need to be celebrating that role
of grandparents more in New Zealand it is nineteen to two.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons us talks.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
That'd be very good afternoon and we're talking about the
role of grandparents and raising grand children. It's on the
back of changes to the best start attacks credits and
there are some organizations, parenting organizations and parents themselves saying
that it will make it harder to have more children,
to raise good children and have time for them. And

(30:15):
we do know. I mean there's some learnees who argue
against it, as you say it hate humanity, but we
know we need people having more babies in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, but it just seems ridiculously hard to do. But
we do know that grandparents are fantastic with kids as
a rule, and evolutionarily that was the way it was.
Grandparents brought up the kids and the parents were off working.
But as this person said, income is the word that
keeps coming up New Zealand wages halted going forward years ago,

(30:45):
and then the rest of the world to keep up
with the cost of living is too hard. New Zealand's
great place to live, crap place to work because it
has all come down to wages, isn't it really? And look,
I think it'd be fantastic for grandparents to be in
the lives of their kids as much as they possibly can.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, but it just one of the.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Reasons why you know we're not replacing ourselves very very quick,
is just how incredibly hard it is.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, exactly, Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is the
nearby number to call. Doreen, how are you.

Speaker 12 (31:16):
I'm good, thanks, Maddie and Tayler. Our experience as parents
and grandparents and my grandparents, it's intergenerational. My grandma she
lived with one of my uncles when we were kids,
but because my father and his brothers and sisters always
were around each other's places, we had exposure to my grandma. Unfortunately,

(31:37):
granddad died when he was sixty three, so we didn't
have a lot of connection to him. But in turn,
my husband's family were the same. His mum had a
lot to do with her mother in law and he
was connected to her. And then going to my parents,
my dad and mom they had the kids a lot,
and my brothers and sisters kids, so all the cousins

(32:00):
were around there. And their house was in Wattle Street
in Newland, and we used to call it the wattle
Sleet Street Asylum because it was dead kids chatting, drawing, cutting,
was just absolute chaos, going for walks, little groups. It
was brilliant. Of course, my husband was exposed to the
same sort of thing, a little bit more regulated. We

(32:20):
had seven I've got six siblings. He only had two.
That wasn't as crazy, but he had exposed to his grandma.
His granddad died young as well, so that sort of
followed on. And so my children, we've got two, two
girls and a boy. My eldest daughter had children early,
so my oldest grandson's twenty four. Then I've got a

(32:43):
twenty two year old and a sixteen year old grandson.
And we were working more then, my husband and I,
so we had we had a lot to do with them,
but not as much as we do with our younger grandchildren.
But we kept that together and to the extent were
one of my grandsons wanted a place to stay. He
lived with us for a year a few years ago,

(33:03):
and the other two grandsons were connected to us because
any day day house would open, the doors will be
open to them and their friends. So they appreciated that.
And now we've got two little girls. So we've jumped
the three boys to two little girls, one eight and
one is six, and we just love because we're older,
we just love and love the precious time with them.

(33:25):
They are so funny, they cheer you up. It's like
kindergarten with all the toys and all the drawing and
all the craft and all that, and we just set
it up they get fared, they stay over. They just
say their parents, is it Friday to day? Is it
grandma day? Is the granddad day?

Speaker 3 (33:41):
That's beautiful, that's so good?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
And do you give them do you give them treats
that they're not allowed at home?

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Oh well, it's.

Speaker 12 (33:48):
It's a written thing that my my parents to us
and we do to our within reasons. They know. It's
a discussion that's never had. But what we do is
we cooked dinners and they get sent home with the kids.
Mom and dad don't have to cook on a Friday

(34:10):
night or you know. And this week we're picking them
up from school, just staying over tonight. We'll go to
football tomorrow with them and hand them over. It's just adorable.
Husband loves it. He just you know, I haven't noticed
a lot of discussion about granddads. Boy, they're valuable.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, absolutely, it's thinking about that, Dorien. Actually, and a
couple of points on it. Firstly, is when you are
spending time with grandchildren. Because if we're listening to this,
you know, darwinian pediatrician, he's saying that we're evolved. Grandparents
are evolved. Humans are involved when they hit the grandparents
stage to look after kids. So we get a lot

(34:50):
of in doorphins released when we're around our ground grandchildren,
and it feels like it's the right thing to do.
Do you do you feel that, do you feel some
kind of evolutionary thing coming through you that goes, this
is what I should be doing spending time with my grandkids.

Speaker 12 (35:06):
Sure do?

Speaker 17 (35:07):
Sure do.

Speaker 12 (35:07):
I mean we just feel blessed. And they get exposure
to the uncle's aunties. Again, it's just kind of that
everybody knows there's always going to be somebody there for
them if they're needed.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, Dora.
And any other thing is you know talk about grandfathers
and grandmothers, is they are the people that know a
lot as well? Yeah, so they've done everything. So you know,
you're just learning stuff in your life. You're going through
you have kids, especially when people tend to have kids younger,
you're just going through your life. You're learning stuff. But
if you're a grandparent, you've been through all that, you've
seen the world, you know stuff, you're the perfect person
to be teaching kids.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
A lot of life skills. Yeah. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's ten
to two bag very shortly you're listening to Matt and Tyler, madd.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight hundred
and eighty, ten eighty, it's mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
news dogsb just doorgs.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
They'd be great to have your company. And we are
talking about the role of grandparents. There is some consternation
from parenting groups and parents about how hard it is
to raise children, and it may become hard for some,
which changes the best art text credit. But the role
of grandparents when it comes to raising children. You mentioned
a very renowned pediatrician, doctor Paul Turk, who says that

(36:19):
the evolutionary role of a grandparent is to help raise children.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, he says that grandparents are the human optimizing machines
they have. Why are were so successful that we had
such fantastic grandparents looking after the kids well the well,
the parents were off doing things. But this is this
is an interesting I mean, this sums it up. Actually, so, Hi, guys,
great topic of conversation about grandparents and grandchildren. Unfortunately, and

(36:45):
my family, the grandparents are either half a world away
or too old to assist with me, does this mean
that our kids somehow culturally deficient? No, that's not what
not we say. But this person was the actually.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
One I wanted to read out, and I've.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Lost it becau's so many texts coming through, But it
was basically saying, grandparents have people have to work so
long now in life. They have to keep working and
working and working. So people, you know, would love I'm
sure there's a lot of grandparents out there would love
to just stop working to go and look after their kids,
but they're still working. And also, we have kids so
much later in life now, so that the grandparents end
up being much older.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, at the time.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
And when you're talking about this evolutionary guy, he's talking
about people were grandparents in their thirties. Yeah, spot on,
sweaking the math on that, yep, did he get that works?

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Its yeah, spot on.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
It's a bit of a different situation. The generations used
to cycle through a lot quicker.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, Peter, you are involved with your grandchildren a few
times a week.

Speaker 19 (37:38):
Yeah. Yeah, I've got eight months old that I'm just
going for walk right now and a three year old
that I take two In this case, not a case
of they can't afford to do it. It's a case
of you don't really want to put a baby in daycare.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, and so for your which parents is your child, Peter?
What what parents is youre? Is the father or the
mother your child? The daughter? Yeah, so they both got
back to work. I take it in and the fact
that yeah, yeah, yeah, well young.

Speaker 19 (38:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, we don't really want to I dearly
not put a baby into daycare. Yeah. So, but it's
proven medically. I'm only sixty two, so it's proven that
grandparents said spend a lot of time with their friend
kids much longer. Yeah, because there's nothing like you know,

(38:39):
I quite get that seven o'clock in the morning and
this little guy here I'm pushing around. Now, I get
the smile you get from the greeting and he puts
his arms out and.

Speaker 8 (38:50):
Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 19 (38:51):
It's definitely good for the old mind and body.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, absolutely, because people kind of think that when they
retire or get older, that they'll just want to sit
on the beach and drink peanut clatters or whatever will relax.
But actually that's not what I really want. Humans want
to be part of what's going on and part of
people's lives and being helpful and sharing what they've got
with other people. We never really want to stop being
part of things, do we. It's a funny old thing

(39:16):
that our visions of what retirement would be not what
we actually want this Texas, says Matt. It's easy to criticize,
but let's look at the facts. Nearly a quarter of
New Zealanders over sixty five are still working, and for
many it's not because they want to. It's because they
have to just to make ends meet. Grandparents are already
stretched thin, trying to support themselves in their families, sometimes
even stepping into help with childcare and finances. That's so true.

(39:38):
So here's a question, how is your work actually helping
grandparents and families who are struggling every day. If you're
not part of the solution, maybe it's time to step
aside and stop working yourself, because right now you're just
another voice in the system that's failing those who need
it most. Well, maybe it's a good point. I'm not
sure how we're helping, but the only suggestion we came
up with is to talk about it, and maybe we

(40:00):
celebrate the role of grandparents a little bit more, and
so the ones that are doing that stuff and going
out of their way to help are actually honored yep,
for doing exactly I'm not sure if that'll help to
solve the problem, but maybe it'll make the people that
are doing it feel better.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Hey, if you've got a solution. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to cour We'd love
to hear from you, but keen on your stories. If
you're a parent that relyes not the right word I think,
but has your the grandparents coming in to help you
raise your children, love to hear from you, and also
vice versa if you're the grandparent in that situation. But
we're going to carry this.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
On and is there something inherently wrong with our economy
that we don't seem to be able to bring up
enough kids?

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to get on Andrews Standing by nineteen ninety two. If
you want to see the text. New Sport and Weather
is on its way. It is very good to have
your company. As always, We'll see you on the other.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Side talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor
Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 14 (40:57):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program,
and been having a great chat about the role of
grandparents when it comes to raising children. In twenty twenty
ten five, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
That's right. So there's been some changes to the best
start tax credits, which kind of suggests that maybe the
focus isn't so heavily on the worth of bringing kids
in and helping that happen. But I personally think that
we need more children.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Well, we certainly do think.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
I think we're not replicating ourselves quick enough and that's
going to cause huge amounts of problems in the future.
And we were talking about the first Darwinian pediatrician, that's
what he's known as. He doesn't like to call himself that,
but doctor Paul Chuk heard him on a podcast and
he was describing grandparents as human optimizing machines and celebrating
the role that grandparents had and the success of the

(41:48):
human species, and that we just wouldn't be here if
we didn't evolve to have people live longer so the
grandparents could look after the kids of their kids. So look,
I'm getting a bit of pushback on my view that parents,
grandparents looking after their kids is a beautiful thing and
that older people are evolved to do it. Getting a
lot of pushback on that, I'm not sure why, and

(42:08):
that it should be celebrated as it once was, And
also a lot of pushback on my secondary claim that
there's something wrong with our economy that is so hard
and expensive to bring up kids. Humans need more humans
to live. Things should be geared in any economy such
that is a thing that is possible to do. So
I guess I've got two sides of this.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Really.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I think it's a beautiful thing when grand parents bring
up their kids' kids. But I also think it's wrong
that it's so hard to bring up kids and so
expensive and so difficult with daycare and two people often
having to work that it almost becomes.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
A necessity and just one.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
So I'm getting abuse from both.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Youre getting whipped on all sides, but just on the
argument of whether we need more children or not. Of course,
we need to keep the population going, and it's the problem.
I mean, we can see it with Japan, South Korea.
There's many of those Asian countries that their birth rate
has effectively collapsed, and they are terrified about what happens
to their economy. Of course, you can lean in on

(43:11):
immigration and those sort of things. But without that birth
rate going up, they're starting to look into a future
and they don't know how they're going to fund it's
their economy.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
It's a symbiotic relationship here, Tyler. We're talking about so
we need the old people to look after the young people,
so the young people can look after the old people.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
If you see what I'm saying, hang on, thank you.
That started up very well.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
I think, says Phil. There is something very beautiful and
pure about the love grandparents have for their grandchildren. It's
a wonderful thing, and also the joy the children bring
to the grandparents as well, which callers have spoken of.
They both give each other life in a way. Absolutely
the joy that kids bring grandparents, but also the knowledge
and love and connection to their wider family and the

(43:54):
full life span of humanity that grandparents give their grandchildren. Yeah,
I think it's an absolute beautiful thing. I don't know
why people are so furious at me for saying it, Matt.
The reality is when grandparents step in and help, they
often end up under extra stress and at higher risk
of home accidents. If they get hurt, the whole family
has to care for them, driving up costs for everyone.

(44:16):
The last government's meant up large on social issues. Now
the cost of living is rising for everyone. New Zealand
is living on band aids. Met You're correct, there is
something inherently wrong with our economy. Maybe it's time to
consider if people should stop working, because right now it
feels like we're going in circles while families and grandparents
keep struggling, and governments and councils just tax us into oblivion.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Well, yeah, I mean that is quite a circular argument
that that teas are just head with themselves, because I
think he started off having a go at you saying
that it's not up to the grandparents, but then finished
saying that nobody can afford to raise children, so what other.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Choice do we have. Well, that's kind of what I'm saying.
I'm kind of got a circular thing going on here
as well. Hey, guys, lovely hearing these positive stories, but
there's a lot of dysfunction out there too. Not so
easy for grandparents who are bullied into caring for grandchildren
and they feel powerless to fight back. Some children use
emotional black whay mail to get their way. Yeah, I
mean absolutely whenever you talk about anything to do with families,

(45:11):
there's it's so complicated.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yeah, but that is. I mean, we'd love to hear
from you if you've had that conversation with your children,
or indeed the other way with your parents, on the
boundaries that you've got to set with looking after and
helping raise the grandkids. I what one hundred eighty ten eighty,
because I'm sure and most of the people that we've
heard from this afternoon, clearly they've set at those boundaries
that it's a friday or a couple of days a week.

(45:35):
It's not full time care that we're talking about here,
it's just being more involved in that child's life to
alleviate some of the stress of new parents that are
struggling right now because they both have to work full
time and childcare is is crazy expensive. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Absolutely eight. All right, Reuben, welcome to show your thoughts
on this.

Speaker 8 (45:56):
Hey, probably a little bit different than what you were
just talking about then, but I just kind of the
previous one of the previous scholars was just sort of
saying about how I guess if you've got a newborn,
you don't really want to put them into daycare, So
I just kind of wanted to call up. I guess
based on how we I'm expecting a kid at the.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
End of July.

Speaker 8 (46:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually called a little a.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Few weeks ago.

Speaker 8 (46:27):
I'm a joiner to journer in so yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah, welcome, welcome back.

Speaker 8 (46:34):
Yes, So, yeah, we're expecting him a couple of months.
But both my partner and our mum's passed where a
few years ago from cancers, so I don't really have
the grandma sort of person in our lives for up here.
And then my partner's dad isn't sort of in the
pectu eta, so we kind of don't really have a choice.

(46:56):
We both have to go back to work. We don't
earn enough to sort of just be taking care full time.
My partner's going to take off eight months and then
baby's going to have to go into daycare. So I
guess there are people out there that kind of have
to do that, and that is what it is. But
I suppose if you've got grandparents that can do it,
quite it's gold Like, yeah, I really appreciate it sort

(47:19):
of thing. I guess was my.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
On it.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, I mean if I mean, yeah, if it all
works out and you've got a great relationship with your
with your parents, and they have the time and the
inclination to help out with your kids, then that is
that is absolutely perfect. But do you think, Reuben, that
there is that there is something wrong with our economy,
that the way that it's geared, that it seems so

(47:46):
difficult to bring up kids and and and you're having
to move things around and you know, you know, needing
two people working and all those kind of things. Do
you think that if things were working perfectly, were working better,
then things would be geared more to to help children
come into the world and help parents have children.

Speaker 8 (48:10):
I think it might to see times are changing, and yeah,
people's work full time and it kind of is what
it is. There's being set up to star and stay
here and anything else. I guess ideally you'd want to
spend more time with your kids to give them the
best start, but it's kind of the way things are
around the world, I guess.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
But are you worried, Ruben? You know you've got and
it's a beautiful thing that you've got a child coming
into this world in a couple of months, But are
you worried about the time that you'll have to spend
time with the child, that the costs you're going to
have to the money you're going to have to spend
on child here, all of those elements where I imagine
if it was, you know, back in my parents' days,

(48:47):
where one my mum could stay at home and dad
earns enough to be able to look after the family,
that took a lot of stress off raising children and
starting a family. We've planned for.

Speaker 8 (49:03):
It, so I think like we affected it in the
costs and I'm gonna I'm self employed, our own business.
So one day a week I'll take where only planning
to have baby nd here for three days a week,
and then my partner's going to go down to four days,
and I'll go down to four days.

Speaker 12 (49:20):
Right.

Speaker 8 (49:20):
So if you've got the ability to sort of plan
in advance for that sort of thing, I think you
can just make it work.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeahh good on your Reuben.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
You're the kind of person that just goes We'll sort
it out. This is the problem. Yeah, this is the obstacles.
The way these are the problems. I'm not going to
complain about it. I'm just going to make it work yourself.
We do do some pretty we do have you know,
fifty two weeks, parent will leave, don't we So we
we do do stuff to make it. But if we're
going to keep growing our population, then you have to
have more than one or two kids. You have to

(49:49):
have the people having three and fourcads, right, yeah, and
so you know, having four kids, Oh my god, that
seems I'm one of four kids, and that obviously was
quite punishing for my parents. I mean, we were on
a farm, so we're running around I guess a little bit. Yeah,
but that's yeah, four heads now, but.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
That's that was the all back then. Nowadays that would
be considered a massive family. If you have four kids. Jeez,
that's a big family. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call it. Sixteen past two.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Wow, your home of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Very good afternoon to you. We're having a great discussion
about the role of grandparents when it comes to raising
grand children.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
They've been described as human optimizing machines by a Darwinian
pediatrician called doctor Paul Turk. You can listen to that
whole pod. It's on the Modern Wisdom podcast. Got a
few text here. So I firmly think, look at our
older generation. My grandma never would have dreamed of owning
a new car at thirty while having kids. People's expectations

(50:55):
of a normal life is out of whack. People now
expect an overseas trip once a year.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
This Texas has.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Given our inability to live and balance with the ecosystem.
Maybe the conversation we should be having as less babies globally,
especially a folk and afford financially and holistically speaking, Well,
there's not much point of an exos system if there
aren't humans about to look at earlier. So these these
are the extensionalists. There's a humanists and extension extinctionalists. So
these are the people that think that humans are a

(51:22):
blight on the planet and it will be better if
there were less of us because of the damage we
do the planet. But you know, humans, the more humans,
the more less.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
That's the Thanos argument. We know Thos, Yeah that is ah.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
I wonder if there was Thanos maybe it was, Yeah,
I know Thanos got his head stoved in by thora.
I believe grandchildren are the reward for having children. Granmar
of seven. Yeah, absolutely love that. But to sort of
accentuate my point, is there something wrong with an economy
that is geared such that it is very, very hard for.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Us to replace ourselves.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
If you see what I'm saying, If it's too hard
for us to have enough children that we keep growing
in population and actually start going backwards, then that doesn't
seem like it's working. Please. Yeah, because arguably one of
the most important things about humanity is to reproduce.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
We need a system that turns out babies. There's what
keeps us going well.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
What makes it so it's not incredibly stressful to have them?
I guess welcome to show Chris.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Okay, guys, show you very good and what's your take
on this?

Speaker 20 (52:28):
I can't believe I'm saying this, But Matt, I couldn't
agree with you more mate, every single point you've made
on this. I can't believe there are people against it.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
I Yeah, why can't you believe you say that? Because?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yeah, it's making you feel bad about yourself that you're
agreeing with me on something.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
It hurts when that happens, Chris, but just ride it through.
It gets better.

Speaker 20 (52:46):
I've punished my ear drums ever since radio.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I would like to a blanket apology for everything I've done.
But yeah, we say Chris, no mate.

Speaker 20 (52:56):
It's good, and no, I'm riding the thick of it.
My wife and I got a couple of little girls,
four and a half and two and a half, and
we hurt. My wife's mum retired. Basically they look after
our girls when the oldest was born. So we first
of all, I know that we're really fortunate, and lots
of other people just don't get that opportunity, especially you know, immigrants,
immigration families. You got a lot of Saffers here in

(53:18):
Auckland who you know, they've got no family support, and
so we hear about that and see that all the time.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
So we know we're lucky.

Speaker 20 (53:24):
But just the advantage that it like, we see the
advantage with them when the kids are ready to go
to daycare at kind of two, which is what's happened
with our girls, they are leaps and bounds ahead of
everyone else. Their dialogue, they're speaking. I mean, our girl
when she turned forth, she's reading, she's reading, she can
sound out words on a book that she's never seen before.

(53:44):
And she takes her a couple of minutes and she'll
read it. She'll read a page on a kid's book
and she's four and it's it's and you know, to
be honest, my mother in law she was actually given
them lessons and stuff, so probably going above and beyond,
but absolutely, you know, the best possible start for our girls,
and we've seen it in both of them. They are
leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. And then the
other angle is, you know, not only is it, you know,

(54:06):
rewarding for the grandparents. And had a call before who
rightfully said, you know, it's it's known that if you
know grandparents spends longer with their with their grandchild, they
live longer, and that's that's that's obviously proven.

Speaker 8 (54:17):
But also as a.

Speaker 20 (54:18):
Parent getting it being able to see you and unfortunately
I lost my mum a couple of years ago and
I miss out on this, but I see it with
my mother in law and my father in law that
you know that you actually get a bit of it
as a parent. You get a real rush seeing the
bond between the grandparent and your child. And that's actually
one of the unspoken kind of joys of being a
parent is actually that moment where you get to see

(54:39):
your parents and your children interact and the love that
they have for each other, it's it's like it's like
a like a high. You can't replicate it. Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Yeah, it's kind of like things are in line in
the universe and we're doing what we're supposed to do.
When you see those moments, and I mean my father's
eightieth he was he did this big speech and he's
got great great grandchildren. There's this huge family down there
in Dunedin and he was just looking arount this room
packed with all these people's absolutely packed with people that

(55:09):
are you know, his offspring and his offspring's partners, off spring.
There's a huge amount of people all the way down.
I just seen a god Peratus the other day with
him sitting with his latest great great grandkid, walta very
cute but anyway, he was just saying that that that's
the greatest thing in his life was to look at
this and getting to spend the time with these these
all these people that have come in and he said

(55:30):
it was a great The greatest transfer of energy you
can have in your life is from the you know,
the older people to the younger people.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
And I was just crying looking.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
At it beautiful at at his alieth because it was
like it was just so beautiful to see how proud
he was of my sister's kids and my kids and
my sister's kids kids. It was, it was it was
one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen in
my my my life. And it just seemed But that's
how that's working. That's the system system working, everyone being
involved in each other's lives. Yeah, yeah, thank you, Chris,

(56:02):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Also.

Speaker 20 (56:04):
One other thing is I also think, you know, you
had a text just before a grandmother saying it's the
reward you know, of being a parent. But I also
I also think the love that a grandparent has for
their grandchildren, it's almost like they've had a chance to
have a do over. I think when you're a parent,
you try and give your kids as much love as
you can, and I love my kids to death.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
But then you've also.

Speaker 20 (56:23):
Got the stress of life. You've got to pay the bills,
you've got to then runder bath, you've got to make
sure everything's done, and sometimes before you know, at times
just slipped away in three or four or five or ten. Yes,
whereas a grandparents had this is the second chance.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (56:35):
I love that they're able to pour in. It's just
you know, there's no distraction, it's just one hundred percent love.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Yeah. And they've probably made some terrible mistakes.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
And also they kind of a little bit back from
the you know that it's a little bit less stressful
for them. They're kind of slightly back from the desperation
to make this kid the most perfect thing in the world.
You know, we've seen it before. Yeah, Hey, thanks so
much for call. Chris, really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
You're great.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Coming up, We're going to have a chat
with a working grandmother. She's involved with her five grand
children every day, So that is coming up. It is
twenty five past two.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
And a Texter who thinks that the robots will sort
us out and we don't need to worry.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Very good afternoons. You the role of grandparents in modern society.
The conversation started off with the changes to best start
tax credits. So it's going to be means tested. But Matt,
you were listening to a very interesting discussion with a
man called doctor Paul Turk, who's a pediatrician.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Yeah, that's right, And he was, as I kept saying,
he was talking about grandparents and how absolutely hugely important
they were in the evolution of human beings. In fact,
we only live as long as we do because it
was advantageous for humans to have grandparents look after the
kids so the parents could do other things.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Yeah, and it is.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
He just argues, it's the most beautiful and perfect thing
and it is one of our biggest evolutionary advantages. And
so I'm just asking the question, is this something is
there is you know, should it be celebrated more? Do
we need to remember how great that thing is? But
also asked the question, is there something wrong with our
economy that it is so hard for us to reproduce ourselves? Debbie,

(58:23):
welcome to the show. You're a working grandmar Yes, yes
i am.

Speaker 21 (58:27):
You're really in the hot seat.

Speaker 12 (58:28):
Today, Hey yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
People don't get me this text here are human beings
are a cancer on the planet. It's absolutely disgusting that
you are promoting more humans.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
A self hating human that takes the cake.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Didn't it? For the person that texted that in is
there no one they love? Is no one that they
love anyway? Sorry, that's another issue, Debbie. Yes, I am
getting a lot of aviews today, but I love it
and I love I love talking to people like you, Debbie,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (58:55):
Yes, I'm a grandma. I'm a South African grandma, so
they call me Omar. Have our franks, three in the
North Island and two year in the South Island, and
i work mornings from nine to two and I'm right
now at school waiting to pick up the first grandchild,
pick up the second grandchild and take them home, do homework,
polish their school shoes, have them shower before mom and

(59:19):
dad get home.

Speaker 6 (59:20):
Because they live with your lives. They've got to work
for these.

Speaker 21 (59:22):
Hours, and it's an honor to look after your grandkids.
So I think it's the most special thing that any
grands sparent can have. If they can do that, you know,
we're reliving for our kids. Yeah, their caller nailed it with.

Speaker 6 (59:37):
Everything he said.

Speaker 21 (59:38):
There's hardly anything I think anybody can answer that. It's
just you're growing up with them and you are putting
a bit of more input into their lives where their
mom and dad's on there to do it and guide
them in the same way you bought their mom and dad,
you know. Yeah, And the questions that they are asking
me about their mom when they were younger showed you

(59:58):
and that actually takes you back on the journey. And
it's just it's just there's something that's bat your clan kids.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
That sounds like you do a lot of work, Debbie.
You sound like you're very, very busy with them. Is
there any part of you that just wants to sit
back and put your feet up and enjoy retirement that
at night, that.

Speaker 21 (01:00:18):
Night on my weekends when I'm off.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
But it's it's a labor of love. It's it's being.

Speaker 21 (01:00:23):
There to teach those children where their moms and dad's
on there to help that. If you get what I'm saying,
I think it's a school circle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yeah. It does it feel it? Does it feel like
it's this this the scientists are saying, it's absolutely what
we're revolved to be. Does it feel like it is
the thing that you should be doing that it's the
that it's a purpose for you that you should be.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
Doing exactly because who else is going to do it.

Speaker 21 (01:00:50):
Yeah, you know you want to be make that child
grow up and be something in life.

Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
And you know that Connel.

Speaker 21 (01:00:57):
Get back from school. You know, there's only certain things
the school can teach a child. And this is your grandchildren.
This is the future of your country, you know, and
you want to be Lets me be successful and and
and everything else.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
And learn just learn about life, you know.

Speaker 21 (01:01:14):
And I think that's the best way to do it.
And be involved even with sports in the afternoon, taking
him to net for you, I have rugby.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
You're a great You're a great grandma, Debbie. We can
hear it the passion and loving your voice. You're a
great grandma, not a great grandma. Yeah, Yes, you're a
fantastic grandmother, not a great great grandmother.

Speaker 22 (01:01:32):
Yeah, because I had I had this sort of I'm
a grandma, just a grand I think it's important if
you have, if you can be part of there's nothing
more rewarding, yea, and being.

Speaker 6 (01:01:43):
Part of their lives.

Speaker 21 (01:01:44):
You know, it's just it's it's incredible, the best feeling ever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Yeah, you go, Debbie, thank you so much for calling.
Good on you. I say that great grandfather thing because
my sister texted me and said Poppy, which we call
our dad Poppy as a great grandfather. And this has
happened a couple of times. My son got confused with
as well, and I went, yeah, he's a great grandfather,
but I mean he's great. He is a great grandfather.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
He's in a grandfather, but.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Her daughter had had a child, so he was he
was also a great grandfather.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Solateral sense as well, he was also a great grandfather.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
He's also a great great grandfather. He's a great great grandfather.
He's a great great great grandfather.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, your life is strange, man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Oh night eighty ha seen number to call headlines covering.

Speaker 18 (01:02:26):
Up you talk, said the headlines with blue bubble taxes,
it's no trouble with a blue bubble. The Prime Minister
is ruling out means testing the pension after the budget's
taken the knife to parts of Kiwi Savor and family
Best Start payments. Chris Luckson says they want to encourage
people to save more, but the pension is also a

(01:02:49):
universal right. The fire is now extinguished at a construction
site on Wakefield Street in Central Auckland after a huge
response from fire and emergency. A key we studying at
Harvard in the US says Donald Trump's administration has told
them they must change to a different university or lee
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(01:03:12):
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percent complete because of a lack of funds. Rents fell
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Tom Cruise, Mission Impossible and the Age of the bladder Buster.

(01:03:34):
You can see Carl Pushman's full column at ends in here.
All premium back now to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Thank you very much. That's a great movie. Yeah you
loved it, Carl.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Pushman can do some pulviric floor exercises if we can't
make it through a very very exciting movie. Well, I
loved that Mission Impossible movie last night.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
How it just over three hours.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
It's just it's like two hours and forty four minuts.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
If you can't hold it for that long, you got
some issues. You go go see a doctor Carr. That's
not right, man, Yeah, you don't need for two hours
and see minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Does they need someone, Carl, go to the bathroom before
you go to the Have you been to the bathroom, Carl?

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Have you been to the the toilet before the road trip? Anyway,
give it a read. I suppose, oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We're talking
about the role of grandparents in society in twenty twenty five.
Is it right forward children to lean into grandparents to
help raise their own children? The grandchildren?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
And is there something wrong with their economy when it
is so hard for us to replace ourselves? Seems very,
very difficult and expensive to bring up children. This text
says society drifts away from the family unit the collective
because we're now taught life is about money and material positions.
There might be some true in that, And this text says,
don't worry. The robot nannies are coming and they will

(01:04:46):
bring up our kids.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Do we want that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I think we'd brother have grand granddad and grandma around
than the robots.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
First, my mum Powell, my grandma, she's I spent a
lot of time with her when I was a kid. Yeah,
she's way better than robots, exactly. God, she made good
pipelets nov Welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (01:05:09):
Thank you, thank you. I'm all for grandparents looking after
you know, their their their next generation. I'm a fourth
generation New Zealand and my kids. I just wanted to
put things in context. You know, we live in a family,
my mom and dad. We live in a double story house,

(01:05:31):
me and my wife and the TETs, my father of
three boys and Mam and dad down stays just to
share interaction, you know, the fulfillment, feeling, you know, the
the love, the transfer of knowledge, caring, all of those
great holities and humans actually you know transferred. And it's

(01:05:59):
not just about just you know them looking after just
the basics and and you know I see that, and
especially being off qu Indian background markets being fifth generation,
the language transfer, their cultural transfer. You know, I couldn't
do it. I don't have enough time at the moment,
just you know, trying to chug myself through the way

(01:06:22):
things are. But like you share, in the morning, when
my three year old, the younger about to go to school,
he wakes up his Gramdmar and you know him just
coming out of the room and just feeling being wanted,
loved and then interacting just all of that when you

(01:06:43):
see it in front of you. There's no replace for that.
You know, Nanny couldn't do it. Nobody could just kind
of put a person who was not from the bloodline.
And that is my sight to it. And also the
savings are so great, you know, I mean for myself
bringing in their equity when making investment decisions. And then

(01:07:09):
when we are discussing, you know, say, in my home
a lot of dual political issues. My kids are there.
They share the views of the generations who have come
before them, and also of the way things are very quickly,
you're able to actually, you know, build up a lot
of reservoirs where you probably have to do it yourself,

(01:07:32):
you know, in a more strenuous way. I'll put it
that way.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
As an interesting point because they you know, you're describing
a really beautiful thing. But I think a lot of
people would think about having their parents move into their
house and being around them all the time. That might
cause stress and arguments and disagreements. How the kids should
be brought up? Is that your experience or is it

(01:07:57):
is it always harmony harmonious or are their blow ups?

Speaker 14 (01:08:02):
Well, here's what I'll put it, very succinctly. There are
certain decisions where they have actually left it to us
to make in terms of, you know, the schools they're
going to go to, the you know, and and and
so it. In terms of some of the very important decisions,
they've actually kind of let us do those, you know, chores.

(01:08:25):
But when it comes to many of the simple caring
taking them to think that truly, you know, they think
they should be exposed to, they take charge. And when
they know that, like their health, wives or a lot
of other things which they can't really pull their weight

(01:08:47):
into just because of their age, they're very quick at
just kind of you know, saying, you know, good your dad,
mom looking after you guys.

Speaker 23 (01:08:54):
It's great.

Speaker 14 (01:08:55):
So so, you know, over the generation, subconsciously we've kind
of build certain levels of decision making in the house
and that has allowed us to kind of keep that
disc since where we feel that they're not interjecting into
what basically is like our right to parent. And that

(01:09:15):
has come through like the way my grandparents looked after
me as well. And I do a lot of community
work outside. I tell you, I want to have been
able to make a lot of leading decisions and then
commit to them when I'm spending a lot of time
if I didn't have a backup like that or knew that.
So for me to the society a lot better players

(01:09:38):
as well, where I'm able to actually get that time
out of home and contribute.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
So you know, we've made that. We've made that point
a few times over this discussion, that you know, a
place like India or lots of parts of Asia that
is commonplace where different generations live together, whereas here in
New Zealand and Australia, in the UK and the US
not quite as common, very very uncommon.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Actually, yeah, but I mean that's the solution. We talk
about how the economy works and stuff. We all just
need to live in big, huge houses together instead of
siloing ourselves away miles and miles away from each other,
just locking out little families and individually. Yeah, and it's
kind of a sad way to do it. It is your
listening dad, the spare room at our house.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Oh on, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call now. I did also mention controversial texts at
the at the start of the hour, and I haven't
got to that, so I'll read that out very shortly.
It is seventeen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Good on your nave.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
What a great call, Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your
calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks Envy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Very good afternoon. We're talking about our role of grandparents
and raising grandchildren. In twenty twenty five, it is arguably
a lot harder for new parents to raise children if
they both have to work full time. It's incredibly expensive
to get them into childcare. So Texa came through a
little bit earlier that I did mention. I'll just read
it out now. It says, Hi, guys, I'm a grandparent,
and I loathe the expectations I will look after my

(01:11:07):
grandchildren the drop of a hat or at all. I
already had my years yet raising young children. This is
my time to live without any of that responsibility. I
think if my son and daughter in law can't raise
them themselves, then they never should have had those children
in the first place. Just my thoughts and no, it's
controversial now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
This is also a controversial text. I agree with the
text before about humans. I think they mean humans being
cancer sick of these I think thick of this. We
need more children's rubbish code for more right wing voters.
We see what you're doing if you can't see that
every extra human over their time on the planet will

(01:11:46):
do so much damage that it can't be justified. I
will never have kids, and I have talked a number
of friends out of it. Absolutely shocked. Matt, who I
used to respect, would support the destruction of the planet.
No one should be having kids. Look at the weather
events that are happening on a daily basis.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Oh okay, well okay, I mean so so you know
and that I argument, human's gone burger so it's not
it's a horrible argument. Yeah, I mean, so there would
be no humans. So why you're arguing against your own existence?

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Who So this person's been going around talking their friends
out of having children. Do they not see.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Imagine that person at a barbecue.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
It so weird to have absolutely no love for humanity.
Does there no one that they see and go it
was good that we had that human there, so you
could have a baby that was born that would go
on to, I don't know, write the most beautiful song
or bring a whole lot of joy to the world,
bring everyone together.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
I know that like the idea there's be some human
in your life that you really love. Anyway, thank you
very much for the text. You're crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
I mean, look, it's fine you don't like me. I mean,
I get that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
But put my.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Beautiful babies in the world, these more wonderful children running
around and playing games, and the laughter and the jokes,
and the and the love and the camaraderie and the
beautiful humanity of it all.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Just discussed this person. Have they never seen a movie
that they enjoyed? Have they never heard a piece of
music that they really enjoy I mean, that was all
created by humans. You might drive a car that was
created by a human. I mean, it's a very unusual argument.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
It's an increasingly popular argument, and it just it's very
depressing that it exists. I've got to tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
It is, Paul. You are helping raise three grandchildren.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
Oh yeah, I've got more than more than three grandchild.
The three were involved on a daily or by daily basis.
We're in the mid sixties, now retired, and we made
a conscious decision to move from where we've been through
twenty odd years to be closer to the kids and
you know, closer to them and just because we knew

(01:14:04):
they were going to do things will going to be
pretty tight for them. They've both got really well paid jobs.
But it's a part of New Zealand and Cylicago which
the housing is not cheap, so the worgage is quite
large too. And but the catalyst really was that they

(01:14:24):
had a little boy who was about coming to and
she found out she was having another child, which was great.
There was marvelous something. It was twins.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Oh wow, wow. That would have put a bit of
stress on them.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
Three under three.

Speaker 22 (01:14:39):
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
So we have the kids a couple of days a
week normally, but it's those other things. Their mother is
a professional woman, like she's seen patients all the time
and what too. So she ran us at about nine
o'clock in the morning, she says, one of them a

(01:15:01):
preschool and suddenly he had come down with the bot.
So in the car rushing, rush, rush away, pick up
the kids, you know, pick up the kid and thank.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
God, I've got you, Paul. Do you love them?

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Oh, it's great, it's absolutely marvelous. And we dropped them
off or they come and pick them up. We always
thank them, and my wife and I always thank them.
It's just a real privilege. But then I was when
I was a child, our grandfather of my grandfather loved
with us as a very oldly man, and so it's

(01:15:36):
a bit of an intergenerational thing, these children's and I
believe that heaven, grandchildren will make us live longer. I've
just recently lost my father, of my wife's father. He
was ninety two or ninety three, but he knew the
twins were coming and we reckon. That's what he waited. Yeah,

(01:16:04):
but no, it's great having the kids. It's their job
to to teach them about our family. You know, this
family history really get a bit older. But you know,
but it's great for our daughter and a daughter in
law and son. That takes a little bit of pressure
off them. And it's we never we just expected that

(01:16:30):
there would be a role in retirement. It was just
what we were going to do. We've just got to
plan a bit carefully. We're going away.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
What a beautiful story, what a great New Zealand you are, Paul,
Thanks for you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Col Yeah, we're going to play some messages, but when
we come back, we'll have a chat to a parent
in their thirties and the help they get from their
grandparents has been huge.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
It is eight to three, the issues that affect you
and a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Very good afternoon, net Have I pronounced that quickly?

Speaker 23 (01:17:07):
Yeah, it's but that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Uh yeah here, get nice to chet. So what's your situation?

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Yeah, so, I just wanted.

Speaker 23 (01:17:15):
To, you know, share some thoughts about the help that
I get from my mom with my kids. So both
I and my wife worked full time jobs. So having
my mom being able to pick up my kids from school,
one from fake here and one from primary school and massive,
massive health for my wife and I and you know

(01:17:38):
I have, so it gives us a massive piece of
mind knowing that someone's out there to support us and
and uh, let us focus on our careers at the moment.
The other thing is, wow, when I kind of pick
up my kids from my mom's house after work, man,
my mom's already made dinner for them, and and that's

(01:17:59):
what us huge help. And really noticed that when she's
out of the country for a holiday or going traveling
for if some were happy, like right now, she's out
of the country and I had to leave work a
bit early to do trying to get to school to
pick up my kids from school. Yeah, yeah, did you

(01:18:20):
share that?

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
And and does she I take it. She really enjoys
the time she gets suspend with your kids, the green kids.

Speaker 23 (01:18:28):
She loves it. She also requests to bring them over
on one day on the weekend, so every Saturday we
take them to the kids socially allows us time to
with each other and myself and my wife.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Yeah, Ned, you're a lucky man. Thank you very much
for giving us a call. I mean that is lovely
and what a great discussion. Thank you very much. Yeah,
you're a hero.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
If your grandparent who helps out picking kids up, taking
them school, team of sports. You know, I think we
should celebrate them taking the kids overnight so the parents
can go out. Great New Zealanders. Grandparents are a human
superpower and we should celebrate them.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Beautifully said. Right, coming up, we want to chat about
intercity buses. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. We're going to chat about buses.
Coming up in about three minutes. News seven minutes, newsport
and weather coming up very shortly. Great Devy company. As always,
you're listening to Matt and Tyler news talks thereb So

(01:19:29):
let's have a chat about buses into city buses more specifically,
So we've long as a nation, I think, turned down
nose up at the humble into city bus and every week,
probably quite rightly, it's fair enough that every week people
complain about the price of a regional travel via plane
Air New Zealand, specifically five hundred bucks to get to Nelson, crying, screaming,

(01:19:53):
saying it's not fair. This is our national airline. It
should be looking after us, but it doesn't. But you
forget about inter city buses. Fantastic way to travel.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Yeah, so you want to celebrate the intercity bus. I mean, really,
are you traveling from what? Christian Chanelson? Would you do?
Christian Chanelson?

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
I have done, christ Chuchan Nelson before City'd beautiful drive
it was, and that was when I was a student.
So quite often when I was going home during the
Union holidays and I'd be deathly hungover to just park
up outside where the pickup zone was, jump on the bus,
go to sleep, and then wake up in Murchison for
a pie before I go back to Nelson. Those were

(01:20:31):
the good old days.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Oh yeah, well, I e one hundred and eighty ten
eighty are into city bus is an option if you
can't afford the flights or don't want to spend that
much money, do you prefer taking it in a city bus?
Tell us about great routes and punishing roots. So one
hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Yep, looking forward to this discussion. But right now it
is eight past three.

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Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Well, pretty good winner, if I do say so myself
and ourselves fantastic. But we are transitioning to into city buses,
and there's been already a few texts that come through
about the joys of traveling via intercity bus. So we're
taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
regional travel. Do you or have you gone via the

(01:23:55):
intercity bus recently? And I think you have, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Oh, yeah, absolutely, See that's what I want to talk
about this.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
See Darcy, there we go. That's all you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
He's the best of us, he is.

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Yeah, yeah, that's all we want is to make Darcy happy.

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Good shape, isn't he?

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Here's in real good shape? Actually, Darcy, can you come
back into the winter so we can never look at
you and abjict to fire you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Please, it's not Amsterdam. Put them in a window for
us to look at anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
So, you know, flew into to Daneda and to see
my family and tried to rent a car and couldn't
get a car. There's no rental cars available across any
of it, and I thought, what am I going to
do here?

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Look at that? Ebbs's sorry that Darcy's Ebbs. People are
confused yet.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
As it possible to have a twelve pack anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Right, So you're traveling from Darcy, get out of here.
You're traveling from Queenstown.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
No, no, no. I was underneath and I couldn't get
a rental car to go to Queenstown. And I thought,
what am I supposed to do? I can't get a
rental car. I looked at planes, and the plane only
flew Dunedin to bring Christ down to queenste I was
going to take forever. It was a disaster. And I'd
totally forgotten about into city buses, absolutely forgotten, even though
when I was a cat, I was always getting put
on into city buses to go o Queen's down, to

(01:25:09):
go skiing and such. And so I thought, oh, I
looked at it so incredibly cheap. Got on the intercity bus,
sitting up there, up high in this beautiful air conditioned
bus with an incredible view, stopped off on Lawrence. I believe,
had a delicious pie back on. I had the Wi Fi.
I was watching again NFL Live. When I was traveling
across there. I was thinking, this is the absolute best

(01:25:32):
way to travel. Yeah, beautiful view, you can see everything,
so comfy and not having to go out to an
airport and go through security and such. Just hiffed my
stuff underneath, dropped me off at the weird arrow arrow junction.
So dropped off like Jack Greacher on the side of
the road on the gravel with my staff. And then,

(01:25:53):
if you're listening, Tracy, she was really late to pick
me up. I was on the side of the road
for fifteen minutes. I don't know what she was doing. Yeah,
I shouldn't have to put up that she's doing it
here or something. But apart from that, the whole thing
was fantastic, and I thought, have we forgotten about these busses.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
We've turned our nose up at the into city travel
people a lot of people, and I think I was
in there for some time. Now that I'm hearing your story,
I've changed my tune. Wi Fi is phenomenal, But for
a long time there, I would turn my nose up
at inter city and think that's the bus. Yeah, No,
it's just is that really the way that I want
to travel? It's long, it's going to be stuffy, I'm

(01:26:28):
going to be bored.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Hey this, someone says, how what does this little discussion cost?
Into city bus we're not talking about intercity bus. We're
talking Yeah, we've got to be be specifically. I'm we're
not talking about the intercity bus, even though that was
an intercity bus that I got from Denean to Queenstown.
I'm talking about getting buses because there's other bus brands.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Yeah, you can take interregional bus travel.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
You can get the nude bus. Is it called the
nude bus or they used to have the naked bus
as the naked bus not exist anymore. No, I went under,
I mean they're yeah, they're business case.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
We're talking. We're talking you all buses, Yeah, interregional buses.
Have you had an experience with interregional buses recently? We'd
love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Plenty of texts coming through, so we'll get
a few of those very shortly. Hit is fourteen bus.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Three including a bus driver that smells like onions.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Interesting, Very good afternoon to you. So we are talking
about interregional bus travel. There's been so many complaints about
the cost of regional air travel. Have we forgotten about
the humble bus when trying to get between city to city?

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Yeah, and the Humble Bus is even better nowadays because
on the one I took it, it's got an app
track the bus, where it is, how far away it is,
where it's going. People see where you're going and send
it to you to the people that are picking you up,
and they can see exactly when you're going to arrive.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
The WiFi is a game changer, absolutely that if you
want to do some work or you need some entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Although somehow even though Tracy had that, she still didn't
pick me up on time when I arrived in.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Aratown fifteen minutes later.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Yeah, mark your experiences on catching buses between cities.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:27:58):
Look, I first heard you guys come on at one
o'clock and I ran straight through and they said we're
going to talk about children, so should be called at
two o'clock. Clearly people wanted to talk about children today.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
It was popular.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Mark my god, that was popular.

Speaker 7 (01:28:11):
But the bus amazing. I'm older, I haven't been on
a bus, had not been on a bus bar London
since I was eighteen years old, which was forty one
years ago. You wouldn't get me near them. And two
months ago I had to go down to tarn and
pick something up and I thought, do I fly down
pain in the neck getting to the airport, getting a
plane expensive? Do I get someone to.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Drive me down?

Speaker 7 (01:28:32):
Real hassle? And my daughter had come back from Napier
three four months ago on a bus and I said
it'd be awful and she's really enjoyed, and I thought, oh,
maybe I'd give it a go. So I'd booked the
inter city, as I said, a couple of months ago,
from Auckland down to TOWERN and I was blown away
how good it was. It was interesting people, it was clean,

(01:28:53):
the Wi Fi and as you say, you said a
couple of hours ago, the view from the top floor
going down the motorway is quite different from sitting in
a car. You're way above everything and you look down.
I was completely blown away by how good it was.
I think people are underestimating it.

Speaker 24 (01:29:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
I think people have got an old view of it,
that it would be stuffy and sweaty and slow with
small windows or whatever. But it's it's panoramic. Now, did
you utilize the app?

Speaker 7 (01:29:21):
I used the bus? Yeah, But as I said, I
was expecting, like you say, something like the old old
school buses, which were just awful. But this was the
seats were comfortable, there was lots of room because there
went a ton of people. There's tourists on there, so
I ended up talking to people that you wouldn't normally
maybe meet or talk to. And it wasn't slow. I
mean we it was meant to be a direct bus

(01:29:41):
to tarer On, but stopped Thames first for half an hour,
which was fine, and then went through a different route. Normally,
if you're driving, you go down State Highway one and
State Highway two maybe or five, whatever it is. But
we went a slight back route through little towns which
I hadn't seen for probably ever, and it was, as
I said, it was quite an eye opener.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
So that was so that was Auckland to total.

Speaker 7 (01:30:05):
Was into taro On it. Yeah. But the other thing,
which I said it was amazing was getting If you
are getting a bus and you want to get there
a reasonable time, you got to go early. And the
other thing was catching the ferry at six thirty in
the morning from Hobsonville to the city was also a
real eye opener. That early in the morning was lovely
walking up through town and there's nobody around, no drunkards,
it was clean, it was death impressive?

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
How much was that bus via.

Speaker 7 (01:30:30):
Fifty two dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Tower had to be that?

Speaker 7 (01:30:34):
Well, you couldn't drive down for that, as I said,
the mate was going to drive me down, and I said, ah,
lovely offer, but it's going to cost you one hundred
dollars in petrol to get there and back plus a day.
I said, let me catch the bus, but grudgingly thinking
it was going to be awful. But it was so
I said, it was quite a real eye opener.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
And was that last minute mad because I'm just having
a look now Auckland to tron on the inner city
bus and the cheapest one here is twenty five bucks.

Speaker 7 (01:30:59):
Well, no, it wasn't last month. I was a couple
of days out. But yeah, there were some different fares
that I suddenly what I was picking up down there,
I decided I need to get suddenly, so went down.
Yeah they were cheap, but twenty five dollars can't be
there six dollars across Auckland to get to town of
twenty five. Yeah, it was true.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
It's pretty good. Thanks you call Mark and see not
only see this is why we're talking them up, you know,
because there's this article on the paper talking about how
you know the option it is if you're complaining about
ear fears. But not only is it a cheaper option,
I believe it's a great option, especially if you're a
scenic route like what Mark's just you know, talking about
their or the one I took from Daneen to Queenstown. Yeah,

(01:31:40):
you know you're experiencing it. You're looking out the window.
It's panoramic, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
And to get to enjoy it rather you can just
kick back, put your feet up and ever sleep. But
like this Stixster says.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
The Loser cruise, what are you talking about? Everyone farting
snoring they're horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
Yeah, and they see that's the perception. But also they
can't do that in planes as well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Funnily enough, Yeah, well yeah I was farting and snoring
on the Loser Cruise or over to Queenstown.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
But I beat you work. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call the intercity or interregional bus.
Have you jumped on board recently? And is that in
many cases a better way to travel than an expensive
regional flight.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
And Steven's got a great route he wants to talk
about coming up after the break fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
It is twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
on youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Good afternoon, it is twenty four past three and having
a great chat about interregional bus travel long forgotten and
a lot of people turn their nose up at the
dirty old bus going from city to city, stinky, loud, horrible.
But times have changed. You took the bus recently and
it was lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Oh look, I'm telling you. If you get the right,
the right intercity route, you're the right, the right, the
right bus, then it can be a beautiful experience, better
than flying. Yeah, better than driving.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Much chat from the driver or did you leave them be?

Speaker 14 (01:33:08):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Yeah, man, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
When the driver gets on the mic too much and
starts describing everything on the way, that can be quite punished.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Then it turns into a tour group rather than just
just just leave formula. Yeah, leave me, Sally, how are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 25 (01:33:21):
Hello, I'm fine, thank you. I'm just inquiring. I've got
a niece that comes up from the Capiti coast and
she doesn't like the tiny planes right, And I'm just
wondering if there's a bus from the Capiti Coast to
Auckland and how long it takes and what the price is?

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
All right, brilliant, we're oh wait hundred work out your route.
That's what we are. We can do that. You've come
to the Ry Coast to Auckland bus here we go,
happy to help. Yes, so you can Cavity Coast District
all start to Auckland Central. Yeah, there's there's It takes
ten hours and ten minutes so it's quite quite a

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quite a ride.

Speaker 25 (01:34:02):
Arm.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Yeah, so there's there's one that leaves tomorrow at five
thirty five am, but we will arrive at seven thirty pm.

Speaker 25 (01:34:11):
And what price is it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yeah, well that's that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
I'll just have to look up that there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Actually it's got free WiFi.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
That's a bonus. So just you know, just mention that
to your niece, selly free WiFi. Just why we've tried
to be steal.

Speaker 25 (01:34:26):
I wouldn't know what the wi fi does.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
So what sort of price? And we've got here, I've
got one. It'd be great on a call scene to Tyler. Yeah,
so I've got one here for eighty nine dollars one way.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Eighty nine dollars, right, shall I book that them for you.

Speaker 25 (01:34:49):
I've got to speak to her.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Yeah, okay, that's okay, and we're getting ahead of it,
but tell her ten and a half hours.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
But she can she can be on the Wi Fi.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
She can be running a phone, she can take a
lot laptop, watch movies. Look out the window, beautiful.

Speaker 25 (01:35:02):
What would she do on Wi Fi?

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
She wanted to jump on the internet. She could give
you a a video call.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
She could doom scroll social.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Media, she can watch a movie.

Speaker 20 (01:35:14):
Okay, thank you for.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Your call, Sally.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Yeah, good.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
We offer a lot of services here at Newstalks, he'd
be cerently do.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
That's a good price though for Sally. Eighty nine dollars
will for Sally's niece. And as you say, free Wi Fi.
If you wanted to upgrade to Gold, it's an extra
fifteen dollars. I don't know what gold does. We better
find out what gold does.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Someone's saying, that's the worst call center I've ever heard.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Oh hey, I thought that was all right. Sale seemed debby.
I know she's gone by.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Look we were anything you need done? You want us
to book a restaurant for you at eighty ten eighty
come on through.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
You know, I'll challenge just what else you got. We'll
find it for you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
I'll send Tyler out in the car to come pick
you up and drive you anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Yeah, just take through your address. I'll be there in
ten minutes. Right, headlines are coming up. But we're going
to carry this on Oh eight one hundred eighty ten
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We are your your peace, but you need to chet
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Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. We're talking about the inter
regional bus travel.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
And look, we tried to help a caller who ran
through and wanted to know about a bus from the
Cavity Cavity Coast booklib yep, and we tried to help
out and all we've got is nothing but abuse for
our attempts at a call center.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Questioning your mathematics, questioning my price guide.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Five point thirty am to seven thirty pm is not
ten hours, you muppet on a bus, It's fourteen hours.
Poor call Center operation, just running what you think my
nineteen eighty eighth Corolla would be worth well?

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Of Hell a look, and we've got our price guide
here for you. So I've just had a look at
trade me and there's two nineteen ninety Toyota Corolla GI's
for sale. One's got an asking price of five thousand
and the other's got an asking price of twenty eight
hundred s. There you go. So, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Matton Tyler Afternoons
Billing and Payments, Technical Support, account management, Orders and Deliveries
will book your transport service requests, complaints and feedback, general inquiries,
emergency ports. Whatever you want, we can do that on
our eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
Yeah, we'll do it all. But your mass is terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Boys, I'm never using your call center, okay, all right,
Oh we did get that wrong, all right, Okay, on.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
I say we were methletes, Well actually you were a methlete.
Yeah yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Right, Andrea, welcome to the show.

Speaker 26 (01:38:44):
Oh hi guys, thank you for taking my call. I
was just ringing. We had a we were driving from
christ Church to Auckland and our car actually broke down
just out of the hunt of us. So we had
to get to Kaikota and we had to try and
make it to the ferry, and we ended up in
booking the inter city last minute. And it was a pleasure,
Like you were saying Tyler earlier. You know, we could

(01:39:07):
actually see the coastline. So in the car you can't
see much, but traveling along the Kura coastline all the
way through the pict and was magnificent and I've got
to say quite surprising.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Yeah, so how long How long is that journey?

Speaker 26 (01:39:22):
I can't remember, two three hours? I can't remember now
because we were a bit stunned. We were supposed to
be driving and next minute we can you believe we
had two bus ferry and flying home instead of driving.
It quite a startling incidents, but you know, I have
to say it was actually went without a hitch for me.
We walked our way to the Fairy and incredible. I mean, yeah,

(01:39:45):
that just really surprising.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
That must be one of the most lovely routes in
the world. Though absolutelyiful.

Speaker 26 (01:39:51):
A few stops on the way yet watch were you know,
like you've got to accept that if you're on a bus.
But you know, we had no other way of getting
there's no uber sitting.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
High, sitting up high, huge windows watching the coast to
see a couple of seals, but of wildlife.

Speaker 26 (01:40:06):
Yeah, we saw did see quite a lot of a
lot of stuff. So, and because now it's quite overgrowing,
you don't see much in the car. So you know,
back in the day when they were doing all the work,
it was quite interesting driving along looking at it. But
now it's overgrowing and you don't see it. Yeah, so buses,
you know, you're just so much higher up. So yeah,
I could really really recommend it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Andrea, this is what I'm saying. You know, it's because
people look at the bus and they go, oh, it's
slumming it. We're on the loser cruiser, you know, we
we this is the worst thing that could possibly happen.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
But you were any.

Speaker 26 (01:40:39):
Stinky people either, you know, it was stink free, so.

Speaker 4 (01:40:43):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 26 (01:40:44):
It's got thumbs up from us. So and it was
easy to bock. We just bopped online and we were
on We weren't on the Gold and you know, I
don't know what the Gold did either.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Yeah, we better find out. What is how many people
were on board? Indrea was it was it a for rate.

Speaker 26 (01:40:58):
There were three of us, but halfhol Yes, I sort
of packed people up along the way. I didn't know
there were so many stops on the way. They picked
on from Cookuta. But that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Yeah, so you go, this is this is what I'm
saying Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Before I was saying that I caught the bus from
from Dunedin over to Queenstown and absolutely beautif Ara town.
But the only downside was that the person that was
supposed to pick me up wasn't there when I arrived.
So I was abandoned on the road.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
Yeah, and it sounded rough to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
So you know when we come back, Actually that person
abandoned me. My partner Tracy, she heard me say that.
And I just always seems to happen when I say
these things that she just happens. What the three minutes
she accidentally hears the show every day she has simply listen,
So I might actually share this quite abusive back and
forth that I've got.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
Oh, this is going to be good. It's twenty four
to four.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
News Talks EDB and we are talking about into regional
bus travel. Now, before the break, you mentioned situation you
found yourself and or a person put you in a
situation that sounded pretty rough to be honest, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. So I got a bus over,
as I said before, from Denein to Queenstown and over
to Oratown actually to be precise, and it was wonderful.
Every part of it was good. At the the person
that was picking me up was late to pick me up,
so I was left abandoned on the side of the
road and just so happened that the person's supposed to
pick me up. My partner, Tracy, has happened to be

(01:42:28):
listening just before and so she's texted me, I heard
that you dick, right, Okay, So I'm going to read
out this thread. Okay, fantastic, Here we thread of what
you have to what I have to put up with
in my life, the way I'm mistreated in my family.
I heard that you dick. You needed to hear it.
You abandoned me, I replied. You were on the road
for five minutes, more like half an hour. You're pathetic.

(01:42:52):
I could have been murdered. Come on, I'm not Jack Reacher.
I can't jump off a bus on a gravel road
and make my way into a small town and silver
a murder. You really need to let this go. You
need to pick me up in time were you're doing
your heir piffed, I'm going to read this out on here.
You better not. So that's the and.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
That's where it's needed for now, for now, okay, right
to be continued. Oh this is good, This is really good.
But you could have been murdered. To be honest, you
were right about that. She put you in danger junction.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
Yeah, on the side of the road with my suitcase.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
Like Jack Reacher, anything can happen in Arrowtown. We know that. Mary.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:43:30):
Hi.

Speaker 12 (01:43:32):
I a good chuckle listening to the what's been going
on on your show this afternoon?

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
Oh thank you for tuning in, Mary.

Speaker 12 (01:43:42):
That's all right. I like the topic of the intercity buses.
I've used a lot from it over over the years
since I've been in New Zealand, I've been all over
the place. I've been mainly Awkland to Wellington and well
Wellington's Auckland and Aukland to Wellington. I've done the pict

(01:44:04):
into christ Church pict and need into the all. Yeah,
quite a few of them all over the place.

Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
The Auckland Wellington one must have been quite a journey,
was it, Mary.

Speaker 12 (01:44:16):
Yeah, it's twelve twelve hours? Yeah, wow, I haven't got
anybody to please, so it doesn't bother me to take
a day traveling up somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
Did you get to sleep on the bus and a
twelve hour journey like that?

Speaker 12 (01:44:29):
Sometimes? But I enjoyed the enjoy the scenery. You get
off a few times. It's been quite a while since
I've been up. Last time I went up was Elton
John's last concert. Nice it didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
Oh yeah, that's right. I apologize for saying nice. That
wasn't so nice.

Speaker 12 (01:44:48):
The one that go round out faited never to see
him because the time I went up to see him
before he collapsed on stage.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
Yeah right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Yeah he had the walking Yeah yeah, walking the moment,
I don't know what walking. I'm still convents that was
out and John that book COVID and.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
You the other. Yeah. And there's quite a few people
teaching through about upgrading to gold. Apparently you get beautiful
leather reclining seats for gold. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
Yes, is this true that there's no bathrooms on buses?
I thought there was a bathroom. One of the problems
within the city bus travels. There are no toilets on
board trains would be a better option as our planes.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
I don't know. We call carle pushman and find out.
Surely that guy needs a few toilet brakes on the bus.
I imagine there is, though there used to be, right,
there used to be a little tiny sort of airplane
toilet right in the back.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Yeah, I don't know. Like I've got an incredibly strong
pelvic floor, so those kind of things don't worry me. Jane,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (01:45:47):
Oh hello, Mike. I traveled from Wellington to Parming and
back again and there are no toilets.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
Oh, thank you for all right, Okay, thank you for
filling me in on that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
And how did that work? I mean, did that make
it a bit difficult? Clearly, you know. I mean the
bus driver gives you an update on where you're going
to stop for a bit of a break, but where
there're that many.

Speaker 10 (01:46:07):
Between a party were Jennny, there were no breaks. They
would stop to pick people up. You wouldn't allowed to
get out to go to the so.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
You went from Palme to We're Sorry to Wellington.

Speaker 10 (01:46:17):
So but that's over two hours. Wow for me, that's
quite a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:46:21):
I like my coffee.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
Yeah, yeah, right enough, right, So I guess is it
awkward to know? Why aren't there bathrooms on the buses?

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
That's interest there's space.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Actually, now I think about it, where woul the bathroom be?
There is no bathroom in the bus?

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
What am I thinking about?

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
I'm picturing the ones on planes?

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
I'm sure maybe I am thinking of planes. I just
saw you go to the back of the bus and
then you open this tiny little door and there's a
toilet sitting there, but a boat.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Where did you go to the toilet on the bus?

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
It's good you just when I was really hungover. So
maybe did you just go and sit in the back
seat in the middle of nowhere?

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Maybe there was something to do with so you would
recommends bus journeys apart from the bathrooms, Jane, Yeah, But.

Speaker 10 (01:47:04):
Do people get sick reading or or playing on their computer.
I didn't that because I thought I might throw up.
But no, other people not to have that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
Problem, Not me, Not me.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
I watched a full game of American football on that
on the bus ride I was talking about and felt fine.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
Okay, I think watching a movie i'd be all right,
But reading, I think i'd be with you, Jane. Reading
does make me. I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
I don't think it's the same as a car. I
think you can read on a bus.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
There's something about that. The movement's different on a bus.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
Yeah, helps in some nicer eu com as well, Jane,
thank you very much. There are no toilets.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
The drivers said they were abused by some, so they
don't have them anymore. Well, if you abuse the toilet
on a bus, wouldn't be easy to find out who
did it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
You're on the place.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
The toilet on bus. Think that's why they don't do
it anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
Okay, uh oh, that's a good one.

Speaker 7 (01:47:54):
I met.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
I think you owe your partner and an apology. Have you
never been late and making a fuss about it on
the radio is a very embarrassing for You're a bad person.

Speaker 3 (01:48:03):
You're going to pay, Yeah, he is.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
Oh, here we go the doubled buses. They do have
bathrooms apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Okay, very good wells.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
Wills are coming off this bus chair.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
Well we'll let's have a chat to Richie. Richie, you've
been on a bus recently an Aussie.

Speaker 24 (01:48:21):
Yeah, there's a bus mechanic and I affect all the
coaches that went like thousands of kilometers out everywhere, but
were a gold rush buff services and Calgooley right and
and so I had to fix toilets and ignorant and

(01:48:42):
there have a spine turn them long distance. But over
here in there zell and just where as you've got
a problem this week, we're nephis.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
That's a good point, Richie.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
So you're you're a fixer. You're a fixer of problems, Richie.
That that's the thing you can tell. You fix those
buses and you you fix this problem people complaining about just.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
Using it be spoken like an engineer.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
You know you've got the sick bag on on planes. Yeah,
and then they also have the adult diper.

Speaker 3 (01:49:11):
Thank you very much, Richie. Have we got time for Yeah,
maybe a couple of minutes with Mary before we got
to play some message messages. Get I Mary, Hello, how
are you very good? So you were recently on a bus?

Speaker 27 (01:49:26):
I'm not I go from New Plymouster, Wellington, yep. And
you've got to change buses at Palmerston and there's if
you want a cup of tea or coffee. You could
take all your luggage with you and it's a pain
because well and then I went up to walk from
not long ago and we changed busses at Hamilton and

(01:49:47):
you've got to take all your luggage with you two
until the next bus comes along.

Speaker 10 (01:49:51):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
Right, Why are they making you change buses midway through
the journey.

Speaker 27 (01:49:55):
They never had two years ago, but you're do now.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
So are they going from a double decker to a
single decker?

Speaker 27 (01:50:00):
Are they from Parmerston? They do, but from up and
up to Auckland of Wilson's right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
You see, that's that's okay. So my support of taking
a bus is the three things you need as a
scenic route yep, you know, a beautiful route yep, absolutely
see some old life and just and probably four hours max.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
Yeah, and free Wi Fi which a standard yeah yeah,
and probably upgrading to gold so you can get a
lid of the seat.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
So if you're changing buses having to take things off
and put them back on, you know, and if you've
got a weak pelvic floor or whatever, then maybe buses
aren't for you. But other than that, you know Kaikora
de Picton, Yes, you know, Dunedin to Aerotown, Aerotown absolutely,
Auckland to Todong.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
A brilliant you know, Auckland to Wellington. No, not too
far right, Thank you very much. It was a good discussion.
Enjoyed that one, was it?

Speaker 7 (01:50:52):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
Yeah, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. And I think
we helped Sally And that's the important part, you know,
that's what we do here, as we help people like
so I think we helped her anyway, Right, We're got
to take place of messages, but bet prety shortly. It
is thirteen to.

Speaker 5 (01:51:06):
Four, The Big Store, the big issues, the big trends
and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Used Talks EDB, News
Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
It is nine to four So kee We Singer and
musician Josh Lees has made it to the semifinals and
Timberland's Global Talent Search. So this competition is offering five
artists the chance to be featured on his next album.
It includes a grand prize of thirty thousand dollars and
a studio session with Timberland massive and Josh Lee's joins
us on the program. Now, Sush afternoon.

Speaker 19 (01:51:39):
Gooday, how waia.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Fantastic Josh. So whereabouts in the competition are you now?

Speaker 28 (01:51:46):
Well, I'm currently in the semifinals, so only one hundred
and twenty people worldwide originally twenty thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
Okay, And so just tell us how the competition works, Josh.
So you recorded a song. I've seen it, I've seen
the video, and so what's the voting process?

Speaker 24 (01:52:05):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
How is it whittled down to the winner?

Speaker 28 (01:52:08):
So basically, it's just it's just getting up there and
promoting as much as possible and trying to get as
many votes as possible. And I've done the first round,
second round, third round, fourth round, quarterfinals. Now I'm in
the semifinals, yes, and this is the last public voting round.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Okay. So we're very happy to help you out, Josh,
because you're I'm just saying before that you're one of
the great performers in Auckland City. Your love a spike
spark sparkly jacket, and you've got a number of them.
And I've seen you take a room that is completely
quiet and subdued and just go so hard and be

(01:52:50):
such a great performer that you'll get the entire bar
on their feet dancing on the D floor. I've been
on the D floor in front of your performances a
number of times before, Josh, so I'm happy to I
just think you're one of the great performers in Auckland.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
So man, I appreciate that.

Speaker 28 (01:53:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
So how would people how would people support you in
this and this goal?

Speaker 28 (01:53:10):
Well, the easiest thing for you to do is go
to Josh Lee's j O s h l E hits
on my Instagram and if you just go into my
bio underneath the round picture, it'll just save vote for
the Timberland competition. Click on that link and that takes
you to the Orbit app, which is the thing that's
powering the whole the whole competition. And the idea is

(01:53:31):
that you can actually click on the right hand side
hear my entry of the song, or you can vote now.
And you might be a little bit deterred because there
are powered votes there that that you can actually pay for.
But they go to an amazing charity called Adopting Courage Foundation,
and this is an American charity that helps kids that
come out of foster care when they don't know where
to go, so that all the one hundred percent of

(01:53:52):
the proceeds go to that and it bumps me up.
To get me to number one is what I need
to happen. And there's a free vote down the bottom
of the link as well if you'd like to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
So, God and we need a key we in the
top five, Josh, we need to make it happen.

Speaker 28 (01:54:07):
So basically, so there's one hundred and twenty people where
all groups and three at the moment, I need to
be number one in my group. I'm currently two, so
all the votes count. So if I get hold the
whole of New Zealand to get behind me, get me
to number one, and then I'll be in the top forty.
And Timberland and four of his team, an engineer and
a couple of other producers are going to be sitting

(01:54:28):
around and listening to each entry and then they're going
to pick their five people to be on the album.
And also one lucky guy I think gets or girl
gets to get flown over to to Vancouver to play
in front of one hundred of Timberland's peers.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
I tell you what, Josh, Lee's if that ends up
being you, you'll wow them. Your wardrobe alone will get
them going. Your commitment to entertainment will get you across
the line. So Josh Lees on Instagram and look them
up and support this great new Zealander.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
Awesome, thanks guys for the best mate. Yep, so just
go to his instagram, as Matt said, Josh Lees. So
that's l E y s on Instagram and then just
below as bio there's a link there. Click on that
and go through the process and give them a vote,
which I am doing right now. So vote now and
done and dusted and let's get them. Let's get them

(01:55:21):
to the top five.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Shelley's not happy with you. This text has just come
through and said hello on news Talks hed B. That
was incredibly embarrassing for the travel industry, bringing up the
lack of toilets on buses feedback for the afternoon show.
That is the standards have dropped. How dare you mention
an adult nappy on news talk s EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
You have no right. I've just taken a note of that, Shelley,
and I can promise you that I will not talk
about nappy's on into City Travel ever.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Well, Shelley, I can confirm to you that Tyler has
been laid off on the back of that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
It's a verbal warning from Matt Heath and we'll leave
it at that, right. Thank you very much. What a
show today. Really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
Yeah, that's right. Thank you to all your great New
Zealanders for listening to the show. We who had heard
a great time. Hope you have the Mattin Til Afternoons
podcast will be out in about an hour if you
missed any of our excellent chats on the human human
superpower that has grandparents and the brilliance of intercity buses. Yeah,
podcast is out wherever you get podcasts. The fantastic Heather
Duplessy Allen is up next. And this song here is

(01:56:22):
from the Kiwi band Boom. The new album Something Good
Is Happening is out now. I got it on vinyl
this weekend. Every track is brilliant. Couldn't recommend it more so.
I'm celebrating it all week on.

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
I have been.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
That's all from us. See you Monday. Until then wherever
you are whatever you're doing this weekend, love you and
give him a taste of KIWEK.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
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