Full Show Podcast: 23 October 2025

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New Zealand because people in the Wellington area have been

(00:39):
told not to get pet possums. We don't get to
that because the other chats blew up.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah again again.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Again, our chats blow up. But we'll get to that
one tomorrow. But yeah, I particularly like the chats at
the end of the show on not letting your kids
when a very good time was had by all or
potentially just me.

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Some great calls absolutely and Jean, watch out for Jean.
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Speaker 3 (01:33):
Talk said the very good afternoon to welcome into Thursday show.
It is six pass one, get a Mets.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Get a Tyler good everybody else, Thanks for tuning into
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, big show for you today. After three o'clock soup quick.
We were going to get to this yesterday, but we
were inundated with some other great chat. But unusual pits
that are not cats and dogs. This is after Wellington
Council have told residents they cannot adopt any more possums.
But what unusual pits yet?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeh, it's gonna be a good chat. We were gonna
have it yesterday, couldn't get to it. But there was
someone who had a lama that was living inside. So
we'll get to that.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Love that. That's after three after two o'clock. Apartment living
is apparently becoming the key we dream for some families.
This is as the numbers of children drop in Auckland
and Wellington's inner city areas. So these young families are
bucking the trend by buying up apartments instead of traditional
standalone homes.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, how big does your house have to be for
a family? Surely you can fit at least two kids
per bedroom, so an apartment's fine. So if you've got
two kids, that's just two rooms this game.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yep, looking forward to that after two o'clock. But right now,
let's have a chat about the wild weather hitting parts
of the country right now. As we know, many parts
of the country are in the grip of a major storm.
I'm just reading news coming to hand that the west
coast of the South Island is fully cut off. All
the roads and access ways to the west West Coast
have been closed. Flying debris, power cuts, treacherous roads are

(02:58):
all on the cards today. Emergency services are on high
alert and locals are being told stay indoors, secure your property,
your tramps, and don't take rest. State of states of
emergency are in place in parts of the South Island,
including Canterbury, and many more may still be to come in.
The Cargo, meanwhile, has upgraded to a red wind warning.
All parks are closed and all buses are suspended and

(03:21):
there are widespread power outages in Queenstown, Glen Orkie, Wanaka, Tiano,
and Macodowa.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, so one hundred and eighty ten eighty, give us
a ring and tell us how things are where you
are if you're in the affected areas. That doesn't have
to be super dramatic. We just want to get a
feel of what's going on. This text to Ben, I'm
an in Vicago under red warning. Trees down, everything, roofs off,

(03:48):
power out and a tree has taken out car windows.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
There you go, Yeah, that is really bad in in Chicago. Yeah,
so come on through. I wait, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Really keen to hear how things are wherever
you're listening in the country, if you've got some heads
up that you can give people who may be listening,
or just keen to hear about how the window the
rain is. Really keen to ever chat with your nine
two ninety two as the text number.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
And we're hearing a few stories, including Jess Davidson whose
trampoline flew away. So that's that's They're the first things
to go away. They're the canary in the coal mine
for them bad weather flying trampolines.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
They certainly are. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Nineteen nine two is a text number.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oh here we go. This is from Lee. Good afternoon.
I lived in the US for a couple of years
and I'm not sure whether it's the country rye, but
all trampolines had to be dug into the ground so
the jumping part of the trampoline was level with the ground.
This meant that if anybody had a fall, it wasn't
very far. And also because of bad weather and high wins,
the trampolines weren't going to take off.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, you go, that is that's good advice.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Un Lisa's hope your flight works out. I don't think
it's gonna I don't think my flight into christ it's
just going to happen today.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh man, I fingers crossed for you. How frustrating that
can be. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that
number to call. The phone lines have lit up, but
really keen to hear how things are at your place
and coming up after we play some messages. Have a
chat with lee Ane Malcolm. You'd remember her name and face.
Former TV three reporter and very renowned journalist. She is
an arrow Town so we're gonna have a chat with

(05:16):
her about how things are in that part of the country, and.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Then after that we'll get onto the strikes.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yes, a lot going on this hour, but right now
it is ten past one. We will be back very shortly.
You're listening to Matt and Tyler Good afternoon, the.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 4 (05:34):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons US talks.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
That'd be very good afternoons. You we are talking about
the major storm heading many parts of the country right
now and keen to get your views and what is
happening on the ground wherever you are listening in the country.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I'm getting. I mean there's a difference between Canterbury and
christ Church. People forget, I mean christ Church doesn't all
Canabi I mean not people forget.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
But yeah, the district is very it's diverse.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
It's huge, absolutely huge Canterbury. So hardly any wind in
christ Church twenty eight calimeters now odd gusts a bit more,
says this Texter. This other teach says, you can't beat
Wellington on a good day. Today is not a good day, she's.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Blind, nicely said so Leanne Malcolm is, of course a
renowned reporter and present of the TV three. She's reported
on some serious storms in her time, and now she's
back on the tools and joining us to report on
this storm. Get alien, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
How did that happen?

Speaker 6 (06:29):
No?

Speaker 7 (06:29):
Well, I can't resist a good a good chat about
the weather, I think. And it's just like it's it's
insane here.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I mean, I'm out, we're about to We're about say
you exactly, Lianne.

Speaker 7 (06:41):
Okay, So I'm driving, well, I'm just actually getting near
to my and I was Shotover, which was about fifteen
caves the Windstown, so we're sort of semi rule, right,
And I just went into Aratown because we've got a
power cut, and when we lose power, we lose aut
So I thought it might be a sensible idea to

(07:04):
take my lutch in my hands and dodge the flying
bits of tree and debris to get to Oratown Dairy
to grab some water and some candles and what have
you and a few supplies, you know.

Speaker 8 (07:15):
And actually.

Speaker 7 (07:17):
This is a funny story too. We've we've got a
gate at our place right, and I think there's a
situation where I can't actually.

Speaker 9 (07:24):
Get in to the gates because it's priticle.

Speaker 7 (07:28):
I've just realized that actually I'm probably I can leave
my home, but I can never get back.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
Which is where.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
So it's a very high anxiety kind of dayed here.
It's it's really bad, the like I can you still
hear me? Yeah, I'm just stopped outside my house, which
I can't into anymore, with a dog in the back
of what's going on? But yeah, so so we lost power,
so h n maybe a couple of out and I

(07:59):
haven't heard anything. I know these widespread polus around here
in my life might get because I've heard the top
of the South was worse with tens of but I've
since heard that quite any people, especially rural and out
at Gibson Mount, people with winery, for example, their clothes
got no power. And I have a horrible feeling that
liked a lot. Then there's just going to be a

(08:22):
huge gust and they'll be down again. So it's and
it's it's weird. It's sort of volatile. So we've had lightning,
we've had thunder, we've had we've had sort of sunshine
run at the same time, and then it'll be quiet,
and then you'll just get this tremendous gust and you
can see all over the road there's just branches and
trees and and it's a it's a shambles. It's been.

(08:43):
It's been a hard week here. We had flooding on Monday.
We had just non I know, I think Aukam was
basking in twenty five degrees or something and I was
so envious. And we've been freezing. We've had a really
rubbish spring. It's been the worst I can ever remember.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
What's the horrible what's the official advice down there, zer is?

Speaker 7 (09:03):
I think it's to stay home and hunt down And
I think just like Canterbury and I heard that in
the cargo now and Evan Stuart Island have red wind
warnings now, so I don't think we have a read yet,
but I just our wind. The official speed on the
met Service, you know app is like thirty nine k's
an hour or something. But honestly, like I wish you

(09:25):
could hear it. Oh see if there's another guests come through,
But yeah, you get these lulls and then it's just massive.
And they've said it's capable of lifting roofs and so
it's yeah, it's dangerous and it's I get why people
should take it seriously. Arrowtown wasn't so bad. It was
quite interesting. They're still flooding everywhere from Monday. And I've

(09:46):
also heard that in town there's flooding at the fern
Hill roundabout. So I think people out at Bob's Cove
and Glenorchy that was through. Consider that a friend who
looked up at Wayney see it's not going to come
and come because he won't be able to get home
again because blocks, and so it's it's not great. I've
got to the airport Rundown and all the flights, can.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
You know all the flights in and out are canceled and.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
Yeah there is one there is one jewin though I
hasten to say it's a virgin flight from Sydney right
and I don't know. I don't know how they're going
to get on, but they're due to thirty so it'll
be interesting to see.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Make it spectacular coming in there amongst the mountains. Time
and it was the power out in Queenstown's town or
or was that still still operational?

Speaker 7 (10:35):
Its an interesting question because like I also went searching
for a coffee because I thought, well, maybe some cafes
are open and interesting. Arrowtown seems to be okay. I
haven't heard much about Queenstown, but a friend of mine
who runs a restaurant there, said she was in there
earlier and she just said the conditions were really, really bad.

Speaker 10 (10:52):
I just feel what she said. She said. It's it's wild.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
I mean that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, thank you so much for talking to us. So
that's Leanne Malcolm from just outside of Arrowtown. Yeah, so
stace safe down there, and good luck climbing over your
electric fence to get back into your house.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yea, if anyone's got a letder try and finally and
Malcolm and help you get back home. But it sounds
incredibly serious down there, So keen to hear from you.
O eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
What is happening at your place doesn't need to be
crazy dramatic, but we're really keen how you're facing the
weather wherever you're listening in the country. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, and there's all the people that track flights, you know,
there's aviation enthusiast texting through another one saying there's a
Virgin Australia flight and bound to Queenstown now despite everyone
else not flying, hopefully they divert.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, keep us updated with that one.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Not much one here in Timuru so far was raining
this morning? Yep, was crazy as yesterday.

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Speaker 3 (13:27):
Very good afternoon to you. So we are talking about
the major storm hitting many parts of the country. What
is happening where you live? Eight hundred and eighty ten,
eighties and the number to call.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well and sympathize for those where we're actually impacting. But
we're the warning, total joke in christ Church, so unproductive
for literally no wind will have for a couple of years. Right,
we'll have a for equality. Yeah, okay, there's a lot
of people saying there ain't a lot of wind in
christ Church.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah, Jeff, you're in Kai Quarter, is there?

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Right?

Speaker 13 (13:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (13:59):
Mate, we're thank it on the New Zealand Motor Home
and Cariban Association Park here. We're just getting hammers. The
caravan's rocking, the dogs are just falling out the doors.
The wife's crying.

Speaker 13 (14:14):
Oh, it's terrible.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Far rout. What campground do you win?

Speaker 10 (14:17):
Specifically, it's a New Zealand Motor Home and Caravan Association
park at the trotting club we've got there's probably a
dozen thens garon. We're all just rocking around and getting hit.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
That sound in South Bay, isn't it? Is that down
in South Bay? That's right, she's pretty open down there.

Speaker 10 (14:37):
Oh yeah, it's just howling straight in and we think
they're diverting cars and motorbikes off the main road and
here just to give them a bit of shelter. I mean,
I don't know how a motorbike would stay on the road, honestly.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, I mean it would terrifying on that road with
these sort of winds. So is the road still open
or have they closed it down or it's heavily suggested
you stay off if you can.

Speaker 8 (14:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (14:59):
Absolutely, they're saying just stay away. It's just not worth it.
But this morning at ten o'top, nothing was happening it
with this carns am I breakfast on the barbecue and
at ten o'clock the temperature went up to about twenty
five degrees and then bang it had us.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, and so what's the plan for the rest of
the day. The doggies will obviously be in the camp
of van with you. You just hunk it down, maybe put
on a nice movie.

Speaker 9 (15:27):
That's it.

Speaker 10 (15:27):
Yeah, we're putting on a bit of YouTube and listening
to the radio from time to time and just getting updates.
But we're just staying pot until we can get going
when the storm stops.

Speaker 14 (15:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Well, Jeff, you just stay listening NonStop to metin Tyler
afternoons and.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
We'll keep your company and your doggies as well.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Stay safe out there. Thank you for your call.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
All right, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
This is a positive story out of Havelock, North Hi. Folks,
so hung out the washing at twelve ten pm, had
it in and ironed by twelve forty five. Very hot
and windy here and.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Have it sounds like the place to be today. I
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties that number to
call Richard.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
You're in Napier.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, gooday, guys, you can call me if you like.
That's what everybody else calls me. Here you going, guys,
team program love. It just gone through not so long ago,
through the tacker paws and I'm sure you know where
they are. And I tell you what, You've got idiots
still towing caravans. And I just about got blowing off

(16:28):
the road. I mean, I'm in a big Mitzi tritent.
When I got east of danny Vert by about ten k's,
I honestly thought I need to put some medc and
eppies on. I just about got blowing right across the road.

Speaker 15 (16:43):
Man.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
I'll tell you what. It's a hell of a storm.
And I'm probably one of the last few nights of
the roads that are going around at seventy four and
I drive all over the place, and I've never experienced
anything like this. I'm trying to get back to Upper Hut,
So Pam or Jeff or Jill, if you're listening, I
ain't gonna make it. I'm going to probably get as

(17:05):
far as Foxton and pull a tent pole down as bad.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, that sounds like a good plan, hay Bag. I
reckon get off the road.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
Yeah, cheers, guys, you have a good one.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
You go well, mate, that's a sensible night of the road,
as he said. But who was the shout out to?
Was it Jan? I think Jam was in the mix.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
There was a few few names. Who are you still there, Haybag.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yeah, my wife Pam and my brother in lawa old
Jeff who will be listening, Oh, Jeff's ad night one
of the remaining nights of the road as well. Uh,
you know the night of the road, meaning you've been
on the road for forty plus years. Yes, and look
we've never well, I haven't even known anything like it.
I've been on a few storms around New Zealand driving,

(17:49):
but not this. This is just many ex stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Stay safe, hay Bag. Yeah, Pam and Jeff. If you're listening,
hay Bags, hunkering down in Foxton.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, he's a wise man. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number?

Speaker 16 (18:04):
Call?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Can you still get Foxton Fizz? Good question, Haybag might
be angering down with a foxed and fizz sounds like
a good time. A hot in Dunedin right now. It's hot, boy,
is it hot? But we all know that's not gonna last.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Keep those things coming through nine two ninety two headlines
with Raylene coming up. Then we've taken more of your calls.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
Us talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis, it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Fire and emergency has
been called more than two hundred and fifty times for
weather related damage since just before eight this morning, mostly
for roofs lifting and trees down. Red wind warnings have
been added for coastal parts of kluther and Southland and

(18:45):
Stuart Island that's on top of Canterbury, much of Marlborough,
Wellington and Southern Wided Upper Wellington and Canterbury had the
first call outs this morning and they ramped up in
Southland at lunch time. Or Kanui Breakfast host Chitty says
at least five trees have toppled at her Gore home
just all.

Speaker 8 (19:02):
Over town that we've got no power. Trees to fall
in the sense of the flying.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
Multiple high ways are closed. Power is up to thousands
of homes, with about fifty evacuated at Hamna Springs because
of a fire. Strikes are picking up steam across the country.
Is more than one hundred thousand workers across the public
sector keep their promise to down tools protesting stalled negotiations.
Marchers have gave it in Auckland, Hamilton, faring at a

(19:29):
Todong at Gisbon and the Rut the Dour with other
weather battered areas forced to cancel rallies. New eighteen story
Uni Lodge in central Auckland more like a hotel than
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to matt Ethan Tyner Adams.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Thank you very much, Raillan, and we're talking about the
storm that has sweeping many parts of the country. We're
really keen to hear how it is at your place.
A one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that numbered call.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
I'll tell you what. There's a lot of love out
there for haybag coming into hot into Foxton and Rule
a Night of the Road. Forty years out there, arm driving, Godspeed,
Haybag says about twenty five Texas Sea in valha Us
is this text and Fox and Firs celebrated one hundred
and twenty five years a few weeks back. How good guys,

(20:14):
Fox and Firs. Yes, as far as I know, Yes, Yes,
you can buy Fox and Firs. I'm at Fox and Beach.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Cheers, Philip, great tip.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I love Fox and Fox Furs. Fox and Furs are
still around, mostly in specialty shops and can be quite
hard to find.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
I've never had it, but I've heard it's a phenomenal thing.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
But it's one of the best sodas on the market.
Absolutely loves it.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Love it. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call?

Speaker 17 (20:35):
Get a mark, Get a I'm on a person and
it's blowing a gale.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
How how fast you reckon? She's cranking a nash burden.

Speaker 17 (20:44):
Ah, she's got a bit. She's got to be cranky
up for around about about eighty to ninety k Mart
one hundred k Mart at least, and gusts and it
comes down and the way dozing in mm anything you
got something.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
You've got branches coming off trees?

Speaker 17 (21:04):
Not well I can see from where I am, but
certainly earlier on it was Harley when it was better
round Helene. When he starts blowing the foot didn't stop
being just after Anti Stods building and there he's really cranking.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, will you stay saved? Mark and ash Ash Burton.
It's blowing a gale of napier, says this textter. It's
blying the feathers off me chicken. That's from big norm
of napier.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Big norm. You stay safe? Made are you another night
of the road as well? He sounds like it.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Well, we'll try and confirm that story that that it's
blowing the feathers off normous.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Chicken might save you some time. Actually yeah, yeah, yeah,
just self plucking.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Just fit straight in the pot.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
God speeds to those chickens, if that's true.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, as the fur or feathers been blown off of
any of your animals anywhere in New Zealand eight hundred
and eighty, ten eighty, that's what we want to.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Hear, Maurice, how are you God, You're not I'm in Lincoln, Yep, yep,
not that bad, Not there, Ba.

Speaker 8 (22:10):
It's like calm, then it's blowing.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Any any tramps being picked up and slung across properties?

Speaker 4 (22:17):
No, no, is there?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Have you go any chickens?

Speaker 8 (22:21):
No, I hope My family are on the lower North
filling Okay, on the farm.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Oh, they are in a farm in the lower part
of the North Island. What what part just north of Wellington.

Speaker 8 (22:30):
Day south south?

Speaker 17 (22:34):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (22:34):
Yes, yeah, out by her Okura.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Oh yep. Can you give them a ring and check
on them?

Speaker 8 (22:43):
I don't don't know if the powers out or anything.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Right. What are their names?

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Nolan, Diane, Nolan Diane?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
All right, Nolan Diane. If you're listening, Greese is a
bit worried about you.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Maurice, and Lincoln is a bit worried about you. She's
sweet airs. Yeah, it's it's pretty pretty chilling Lincoln, but
she's worried about you. And we're south Wyre Rapper.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
It's a good question. Yeah, yeah, if you're in south
Way Rapper, how's it going? I W one hundred and
eighty ten eight year is that number?

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Get a christ you're in Wellington? I believe Hey.

Speaker 15 (23:13):
Boys, yeah, I'm over makes me over the Winoui Hill
in WinUI Marta. I went and delivered a car for
servicing this morning at seven o'clock in Lower Hut. I
had to walk forty minutes back to my car and
for Tony, I felt like that lady yesterday that TikTok
that went viral, and I'm a big boy and man
that wind was throwing me around on the road. But

(23:36):
I've just got home and lunchtime I was meant to
go and pick up my granddaughter to look after her
because school has closed and the WinUI Hill from the
Winouis side or from both sides as closed one hundred
and sixty k winds at the top, so I can't
get over the hill. And then as I came home,
I found I'm in a rural area. Came found that

(23:56):
a tree had come down and dropped off the road
so nobody could go further south.

Speaker 9 (23:59):
So I've just come back.

Speaker 15 (24:01):
In from chopping the tree down to let the cars
go through, and.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
Another one's just gone.

Speaker 15 (24:05):
Another one's just gone down the road.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
But you know, until one and blowing.

Speaker 15 (24:08):
I'm a bit older, I've one of those blood filled thumbs.
When the when the blue wood went around and slammed
on it, so I know that's going to hurt.

Speaker 17 (24:16):
In a couple of hours.

Speaker 15 (24:17):
But anyway, but coming out so on my deck, I
don't know whether you can hear the wind. I'll just
hold my phone out for a sex.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Disappointingly little medawind yeah, little bursts.

Speaker 15 (24:28):
But yeah, anyway, it's sudy, it's springing down the valley.
I can see the rain drops. It's heading in a
southerly direction and everything is shaking and rubbish bins and
all those things that we expect and living Wellington on
one of our days like today.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, well, good on you for gun and sorting that tree. Yeah,
good on you, Chris. And sorry to hear about your
thumb and you stay safe.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Thanks you reached up for the rest of the day, mate.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I was disappointed with the lack of wind on that
phone noise though, Yeah, that's so disappointing when when when
you know it doesn't sounds as powerful as you'd hope.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's always the way when they put the phone up
and then the wind dies down just to that moment
and then cranks back up.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
I was gonna I was going to create some fake
news news and make than noise myself and just go
sounding pretty full on.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
But you've done that before. Mate.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
That's great, but you know that would be fake news.
It would be Jennet, how are you good?

Speaker 19 (25:24):
Thank you in yourself?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Very good. How is it at your place?

Speaker 19 (25:28):
I'm in Sonny Henderson in Auckland and it's bringing up
gale up here as well, believe it or not.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
So we're just looking outside obviously we're in the Auckland
studio and there's a little bit of sun peeking through
and I'm looking at some trees across the road and
and pretty much not a Dickey bird in terms of
wind gusts. So maybe it's hitting clouds.

Speaker 19 (25:45):
If you look at the clouds in the sun, how
fast it's blowing. Don't know where you can hear the wind.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds significant.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Actually when we when we do look out the windo
up at the clouds, the clouds are moving. We're in
some kind of I don't know quite learia here. It's
pretty it's pretty chill to be honest.

Speaker 19 (26:08):
Yeah, it's going to be okay if I'm heading into
the city to support my colleagues with the strike. Well
that nurses need to be respected for our workloads that
we're having of late. What do you use it horrendous.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
What do you precisely want. I'm just trying to because
we're going to talk about this the next hour, Jenet.
So good of you to get in here early. And
I can tell you right now it's very chill in
the city where we are, and so we're not far
from where the strike's taking place. But what is that
precisely that you want? From a nurse's perspective, Genet.

Speaker 19 (26:39):
It's safe starting at the end of the day. Our
workloads are horrendous. You can imagine on a night shift,
one nurse looking after twelve patients and all those patients
needing assistance all the time, and their government are now
trying to say to them, well, we have twenty four
hour relative support. How can you expect a relative to
take your eighty year old mother to the bathroom who's

(26:59):
just fractured her fit.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
It's a joke.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, So how many more nurses do you think you need, Genet?

Speaker 19 (27:06):
We need to double our workloads. Thecunity of the patients
that are coming through our doors in the Auckland area
and the nationwide worldwide just increasing. People are becoming sicker
because they kin't afford to go to the GPS to
be treated in the community.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
So it sounds like a multi pronged situation though, doesn't it,
Jenna and Felthy. I mean, nurses are the best of us, absolutely,
you do phenomenal work and really trying conditions. But you know,
it sounds like that if we can sort out the
GP situation in that first level of how that frees
up you guys to be able to do your job
properly without such immense pressure. And you know that's the
complicated thing about this whole scenario, right focusing on health definitely.

Speaker 19 (27:52):
I mean, okay, it would be nice to have a
pay rise, but at the end of the day, we
need to work out the safety of these patients coming
through the door and not sitting in trolley's in the
E deep department for four days.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
What's what do you think that there's some admin problems
going on? Because recently I had a family member that
was in hospital and they had quite a minor procedure,
but they were in there for five days and they
couldn't get checked out, and it just felt to me
like there were structural problems and everyone we dealt with
and the hospital was a fantastic human being. I couldn't

(28:24):
believe a professionalism of every single person that we dealt with,
But it just felt like it was incredibly hard to
get this patient through the system and out the door
for their quite simple procedure.

Speaker 19 (28:35):
In the end, sadly the answers to that, Yes, in
my belief.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Is there and is that something that strictly money can
fix or does there need to be a rethinking of
how everything works.

Speaker 19 (28:49):
Well, they're doing too many cutbacks and areas that irrelevant,
and then they're employing too many people in top dogs
but an't on the shop floor. Yeah, take for example,
war clerks in the emergency department. They're making cutbacks to
them and expecting the nurses to do the job as
well as look after the patients.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean everyone did seem massively
over work. There was also a person with no pants
on walking around causing all kinds of trouble and taking
up all the time of all the people that were
trying to work there until the police arrived. So I mean,
that's not easy to deal with just insane people with
no pants on.

Speaker 19 (29:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Hey, well I can assure you, Janet that it's peaceful
in the city weatherwise.

Speaker 17 (29:32):
Well, that's good.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, Janet, Yeah, thank you very much for having to
chat with us. We are going to talk about that
very shortly as well. If you get heating along to
the strike, we'd love to hear what do you want
and will it work? Will you get what you want?
That is coming up very shortly. But in the meantime,
I am I missing something. Seriously, She's going to go
out in this crazy it's lethal out there. Surely there's
another safe avenue to protest. I can narrowly see a

(29:55):
leaf fluttering and central. Yeah, I could shake that tree
more than the winds doing right now.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
This might be the stillest I've ever seen that we
the I have the storm or something we might.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Be Let's get back to their weather. Jedi hundred and
eighty ten eighty. What is it like where you are?
So many teks coming through on nine to two, nine two,
but come on through it is eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Have a chat with the lads on eighty ten eighty.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said be.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
News News Talk said, be it is a quarter to two.
So Matt, you're just doing some Edmund, Yeah, it's just
on the phone to the messes. Yeah, yeah, that's important.
That is important in the scenario, there's a lot. There's
a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I like going on with our trip to Christy.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
I could hear I was thing, Yeah, it's frustrating.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
But yeah, I think we're gonna anyway. Let's look to
the man who cares about my stuff. It's about other people.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Why I care about your stuff? But let's yeah, we've got.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Thanks mate, Yeah, I care about your stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Thank you mate. And it's hot on the phone, so
let's have a chat to Dunny. How are you mate?

Speaker 10 (30:54):
Yeah, good boys, we're.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
About to use the village.

Speaker 10 (30:59):
Oh yes, great el Pine Highway number seventy three, Tyler.
You'll know with this is we're at about probably twenty
seven hundred feet above sea level. We've got all manner
of weather events at the moment. We've got the wind,
the rain, the thunder, orential rain, howling winds. It seems
to be coming in surges, flick it on and off.

(31:20):
But so far, so good. And I actually think probably
it's a little worst down country Springfield, Dartfield, horror Rat
or Oxford than what we actually have here. Maybe the
Northwest is ripping over the top of us as it
tends to blow out of the gorges and down over
the plains. You see.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, it is a massive wind tunnel through there. Sonny,
can you get into Castle Hill? As I understand it,
it's all closed heading towards the west coast. I think
they've shut it from from the gorge, haven't they.

Speaker 10 (31:49):
Yeah, I think they have. The highway's not busy. I
haven't heard any vehicles, so I'm assuming that that is
the situation. I'm just looking up at all these peak
on the Craigieburn Range. It's just next to Mount Iseside.
In the last of the winter. Snow's going pretty quickly
in this it's mild weather. You know, it's spring in

(32:12):
New Zealand, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, yeah, you go. You stay safe. Doney in Castle Hill.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Village, beautiful spot, Castle Hill.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Oh now vers Linley, Welcome to the show. So I
understand there's there's a bit going on down your way.

Speaker 20 (32:25):
It's a bit blowy, a bit blowy. I mean, we've
been used to wind, but this is this is beyond.
I mean I was talking to somebody that's lived all
their life in in Chicago and they can't remember wind
like this, and we've got. I just traveled between in
Bicago and part way to Gore. Now it was like
you just could not see the road. And watching trees

(32:48):
being torn out of the ground, roots and all, and
branches falling down is just phenomenal. There is debris across
the road. There were two trucks that I saw that
had overturned into ditches, plus the trailer a large truck,
and it's just horrific. Nearly every intersection where there are

(33:08):
trees around. Of course we're we're a garden city where
where these beautiful trees. Council have closed the parks.

Speaker 10 (33:17):
Right because trees are coming.

Speaker 20 (33:18):
Down, literally coming down routes and all, and it's just phenomenal.
I think your producer says, something is going on down there. Yeah,
there is, and you kind of watch your neighbor's window
or shed roof or whatever. But you know, my advice
to anybody who lives in Chicago or Southland, stay home.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
How come you were? How come you had to get
on the road up to.

Speaker 20 (33:42):
Up to because I'm a celebrant and I needed to
go and see a DFM that had lost the soul.
But I only got halfway there and came back home
again and anyway, it turned out that there was a
power cut and gore so but it was you just
could not drive in it.

Speaker 14 (33:57):
Literally.

Speaker 20 (33:58):
Mind you, I'm a bit of a thrill seeker, and
I must admit by the time I got safety back
to in Vicago, I was thinking, oh god, that was amazing.
I'm just not a person that if you if you
drive a car, you drive it like you stole it
or you're escaping from somebody.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, they make them touchdown your way. Linley, you know
that you guys are out the gate and I love it.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
You're the kind of celebrant I want. It's my next
major life Please, thank you very much, the storm chasing celebrant.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
How good was she?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Lindley from Vicago.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number
to cour We're just getting some updates from officials in
regards to the weather. So the latest coming through Queenstown
Lakes District has set up in emergency Operations Center in
tandem with Emergency Management of Tago to prepare for localized flooding.
So there are sandbags available at the Queenstown Waterfront and
in Kingston if you need them to Bailcluther, Volunteer Fire Brigades,

(34:48):
his stay indoors and to keep safe. The team are
busy with lifting roofs and a truck rollover, so keep
off the roads and less extremely necessary. And just finally,
Mark Mitchell will be doing a stand up on the
Canterbury weather situation. At quarter to four.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
The stick says, I've just applied sunblock in Leamington. So
there you go, going well in Leamington. Long thin country
with lots of different microsit where the.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
System certainly is.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Be very good afternoon to you. It is eight two
to two and we are talking about the major storm
that is weeping up and down the country as we speak,
and we keen to know what's happening where if you're
listening in the country. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is that number to call if you want to send
a text. Nine to ninety two is that number. So
many texts coming through this one in Taranaki. Get a

(35:44):
guy who's been traveling around a bit today, it's foggy
and a little wet, but hardly any wind here so
far fingers crossed.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Let's go to Meg.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
We're about to you Makesle in Auckland.

Speaker 16 (35:56):
But I've had a call from my dad. He's down
in why Tahunah on State Highway eight. Lawrence's from Lawrence
Lovely Lovely bed lost part of their roof. Ah, but
then the last forty five minutes have had a big
They lost power first, then they lost part of their roof.
The historic church on the property is okay, the roof

(36:17):
is secure.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Well, that's good to hear. And he is he safe inside?
And and I think that's today.

Speaker 16 (36:24):
But he's seventy eight years old and waiting for the
fire brigade to come and give him a hand because
they've got to try and get that roof secured. I
don't know how many sheets of tim they've lost, he says,
it's about ten.

Speaker 14 (36:36):
They're gone.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
What was the roof on? Like, what what was that roof?
What roof flew off?

Speaker 16 (36:42):
The roof on the hall?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh yeah, right? What what sort of is this all on?
Has one property?

Speaker 16 (36:49):
Yes, there's the old church hall and they have a
little granny flat within that building, and then you have
the historic church which has been converted to live in
what a great place.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Sounds like a cool set up.

Speaker 16 (37:00):
Fantastic place. But I think he's a bit shaken. My
mum says, okay, but yeah, it's hard going to be
the hard thing.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
It's hard to be at the other end of the
country when that kind of stuff's happening with Mum and Dad.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
I bet it is.

Speaker 16 (37:13):
Yeah, I wish I would down.

Speaker 21 (37:15):
There to help.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, as long as long as he's staying indoors and
not trying to sort it out himself, I think that's
the wise advice there is. Wait for the for the
boys to come through from the fire brigade, because it
all gets a bit hectic if you try and sort
it out yourself, right, I all it.

Speaker 16 (37:29):
Is, yes, And I think also the Manuca Gorge Highway
is closed because Dadsy is out on the main road.
They've got their turning people away. They're not letting them
down there.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah. Well, all the best to your pearans and hopefully
the volunteer fire Brigade yeah, turn up soon. But it
sounds like it's all going on in White to Hunah
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is that nobody here?
Thank you Meig, lovely to hear from you.

Speaker 15 (37:51):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
You're in Winton, is that correct?

Speaker 22 (37:54):
I'm coming home from one and year. That's my tractus
down here. I have not seen winds of weather like
this for a very long long time. There's multiple trees
now all over the farming area and all through the
offenses and stuff like that. I've pulled over because the winds.
That Dad, and there's a truck, a couple of trucks
up the road that pulled over. I hope we've at

(38:17):
least got one hundred and fifty k wins down here.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Wow there, I mean that is that is noise?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Are we gusting?

Speaker 22 (38:27):
I would open my windows, but I'm afraid I'll probably
get three months worth the rain come through the winter.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah. So you're in the four wheel drive at the moment.
How's that handling?

Speaker 23 (38:36):
It?

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Is it swaying aside to side a little bit?

Speaker 17 (38:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (38:39):
Well yeah, So most of the traffic I've stuck behind
was doing about seventy sixty five ks now, so they've
closing parents. I've had to get home, so they're closing
roads off out of them, but cargo towards this way
and also out towards Galway as well. There will be
a few diehards. Probably had a ready beach because it's
a beach you can drive on.

Speaker 17 (38:59):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 10 (39:03):
So anyway, so that that's there, let's oll we do we.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Good on your Mark, thanks for the update to kill
me to our winds not far.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
From wind Yes, stay safe down there, Mark, thanks for
giving us a buzz maybe throat.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
There's a gentle Norise Zipha blowing in christchitch the sticks.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
It's beautifully written. That sounds nice.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
How come all the flights have been canceled?

Speaker 3 (39:22):
How do you describe a ziya? Is a zifa just
a gentle breeze?

Speaker 5 (39:25):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Well, that's a great vehicle, yeah, I think is. What
is a zepha? A nice warm, sort of mild, pleasant
sort of breeze, I believe.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yeah, we're going to get to the bottom of that.
Moving on from with a chat, Yeah yeah, I think so,
because a lot of people want to have a chat
about this bigger strike as well. So that is coming
up after two o'clock. If you're heading along to the strike,
really can you hear from you? And also do you
think you'll get what you want?

Speaker 2 (39:51):
And what do you actually want And for those that
are affected by the weather, stay safe out.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
There, yep, look pu yeah, absolutely new sport and weather
coming up and if anything changes in that major storm situation,
you will hear it here first. We can promise here
that stay right here. Will be back very surely.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
It'd be very good afternoon here. It is six past two.
Hope you're doing okay out there if you're listening in
the country. And just a reminder as well, if there's
breaking or developing news that comes to hand as this
major storm sweeps up and down the country, you will
hear it here first. We'll keep bringing you updates as
the afternoon progresses. And a reminder Mark Mitchell will be

(40:38):
doing a stand up at quarter to four in regards
to the state of emergency in Canterbury. So that's all
coming up. But in the meantime, the other major story
of today is.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
The soap bag going to Foxton.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Oh hopefully yeah, the night of the right major story.
That is a massive, major story. But I think he's
hunkering down, he's getting the tent set up.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
No, no update, Just an update if you're listening. Last
night at last hour Haybag it was the original night
of the road was heading to Foxton. Said there was
quite a lot of weather out there, the most weather
I'd ever seen before. Just an update. My brother in
law Haybag made it to Foxton. We'll have a few
beers to Karma's nerves.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
You Haybag, you absolute legends.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
So sorry, just need to update that it's going to
continue on his.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Lovely wife Pam will be very happy as well, So
good on your Haybag. Let's have a chat about this
mega strike. So, as we know, doctors, nurses, teachers, prison
staff and other healthcare personnel have walked off the job
in many parts of the country today. It's fair to
say the weather has put a dampner on that strike
in some parts of the Lower North and the South Island,
but in Auckland it appears to be taking place. So

(41:38):
it also includes dentist, social workers, physiotherapists and mental health staff.
As originally it was estimated one hundred thousand workers would
be walking off the job today. But we want to
hear from you if you are hitting down or you're
at the strike as we speak O. Eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty And will this actually fix what
you think is broken? Will you get what you were
asking for?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah? Will the strike work? And what exactly is wanted?
So I've been looking at that a little bit, you know,
So work out withere or strike works. You know, you
have to have things you want and you have to
get them right. Yeah, pay increase. Teachers want to pay increase.
The pay increase being offered is still below current and
projected rates of inflation. This is what the teachers are

(42:20):
asking for. Salary and conditions to attracting more teachers. That
the teachers. Colleges are rammed with people at the moment, though,
aren't they. There's a lot a lot of people wanting
to become teaching.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
That was my understanding.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yes, So that one's going well for them. Limit the
changing of requirements, more pastoral staffing to take the pressure
off the teachers and address the teacher shortage. That's what
they want.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Yeah, But again to your point about the detail in
what exactly has been asked for here. So I get
the pay increase one, and I think that's somewhat specific.
The pay increase being offered is still below current and
projected rates of inflation.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
But you've got to.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Talk numbers, don't you. And I know we're focusing on
the teachers here, but a similar situation with the healthcare workers.
So they talk about understaffing, increase those needing mental health treatment,
no increase in resourcing and stuff and that apartment. And
also they double down on the knee for pay rises
as well. So there was a lot there.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, this says I'd say on the nurses and teachers.
Sacked a lot of them, says Gus. I mean that
would be, that would be, that would be a lot
if we sacked all of the doctors and teachers. Oh,
just teachers, the nurses. I'm a farmer, and if I
decided to strike, I'd be sacked. Work hard and be
proud to do so. Stop looking for an easier way
to live your working life. You get to choose stay

(43:35):
at work and serve your people as you wanted, not
happy leave. You're all pathetic and way too soft. Cheers fellas,
that's from Gus.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Nice include us what you're all pathetic and way too soft?
Well hopefully maybe maybe, I mean yeah, but yeah, Gus
is sacked a lot of them. There's quite full on.
I mean, if all those workers got sacked, I think
this country would be in a hell of a lot
of trouble.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
It's an interesting situation though, because the pay rise that
they're asking for, and they're more expenditure they're asking for.
It's it's a bit different than if you're it's a
obviously it's a private company. It's different, right, Yeah, you're
asking for more money, so more profits need to be
made to come to the company, or you're more valuable
for the company, so they think they can make more

(44:20):
money by having you there, right, yep. So it's different
when you're striking and you're asking for more because you're
asking more from the taxpayer basically and the government and
their limited pool than as we all know, that country
isn't exactly a rockstar economy at the moment.

Speaker 15 (44:35):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Nicely said. So, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call? Do you think this strike will work?
Love to hear your thoughts. Nine two ninety two is
the text number. It is eleven past two back very shortly.
You listening to Matt and Tyler Wow your.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Home of afternoon Talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Afternoon to you. It's fourteen past two, So we're talking
about the so called Omega strike. Do you think it
will work? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number?

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Gus sack them all, he's a farmer. Get a Matt
and Tyler agree with Gus. Bloody, get on with it.
This one. I with Gus. Sack them all and enter
into individual hiring. So there's a lot of support for
Gus to sack them all.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
But a bold move.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I'm just looking at the practicality of sacking all the nurses,
doctors and teachers in the country.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Yeah, one hundred thousands workers. That would be quite something.
There would be a bold move. It would be a statement.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
So it would be But this Texas says, please mention
the tax cuts last year. We're equivalent of one percent
net pay rise for one hundred k salary. It's an
after tax rise, so equivalent of one point three percent
gross pay rise. They never mentioned that. Okay, okay, there
you go.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Take you right that one.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Ben, Welcome to the show. Do you think these strikes
are going to work. How are they affecting you?

Speaker 9 (45:58):
I'm actually starting together but annoyed at the teachers. It's
not the first time I was there to take a
day off work unpaid this year, and that seems like
there's one or two next month for planned And yeah,
I think you paid to do a job, you do it.
I'll work in the private sector. I've got a one
percent pay rise. These guys have been off at two
point three. They've turned it down, Like, come on, greedy.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Do you have any sympathy for their other demands? They're
you know, the the more pastoral staff, the you know,
the class sizes. They're just essentially around the conditions that
they have to work in.

Speaker 10 (46:37):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (46:37):
Look, the conditions are defer thing, you know, not what
anyone wants, but it is what it is. Like, we're
we're down staff at the moment. Our company can't afford
to hire more. Our workloads you know through the roof.
But we've just got to suck it up and do
it until times get better and we can.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
So do you think it will work, the strike will work,
or do you think this may go the other way?
That more people are feeling like you ben that this
is starting to turn against you know, traditional careers that
we've long respected.

Speaker 9 (47:08):
I think it's getting to the point that people are
getting a bit frustrated and they're going to have to
load their demands. But then also the government's going to
have to come up. But when everyone in the private sect,
no one got close and they paid rise to what
they demandey, I would say, if it's off in the
budget to pay them more, pay them more. But if
it's not, we don't want to be buying money as

(47:29):
a country and paying interest on that money just to
pay people more.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
So obviously you're being affected directly by the teacher strikes.
Do you have more sympathy for the healthcare workers?

Speaker 9 (47:44):
Well, look, I did have sympathy for the teachers in
the beginning, but this is the third day. You know,
all my annual needs accounting for this year in holidays
and Christmas holidays and stuff like that. So every day
my teacher don't shop school to teach my kids, I've
got to take a day off look after them, and
I lose out. And that's you know, you paid to

(48:07):
draw a job, you're employed to do a job. If
I didn't go up to work and I wanted to
go and strike, I wouldn't have a job. It's as
simple as that.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
So what do you want to see from the teachers
in the scenario being you want to see them back
to the negotiating table, because it sounds like you do
have some sympathy for their demands, but the way that
they've gone about this mega strike has clearly impacted you.

Speaker 13 (48:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (48:28):
Well you've given us two weeks notice, you know, to
put them to our employer to get a day off
work and it's unpaid. And yeah, it's just really affecting us.
And I want to see the teachers lower their demands,
suck it up, getting on with it like we all have,
and when time gets when times get better, come back
to the table and get more. But at the moment,

(48:50):
it's not the time man. People saying, oh everyone got
tax cuts, Well, I'm enjoying my text cut, and my
text cut's paying for my raid increase. So I wouldn't
give up my text cut for anyone. That's my money.
I've worked for it.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, I mean that's an interesting thing when that that
argument that you know, if they hadn't done the text cuts,
then have the money. But the thing is that the
tax cuts you know the government's not owed that money.
They have to put a good argument for how much
they tax us. Yeah, and you could, you know, you
could tax us one hundred percent and it's not going

(49:22):
to fix all the it's not going to affex all
all the problems. Ben, Thank you so much for think.
Thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Nine two ninety two is that text number.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
It is interesting though, because there was that so Ben's
would come frustrated. He had sympathy, and the sympathy is
sort of waning after repeated strikes. But there was that
poll recently that came back. It was only four hundred
and something people, but it came back with sixty five
percent support. Yeah, for the strikes.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Do you buy that poll? I eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. I mean it's funny.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I'll tell you what they went polling listeners to the
Matt and Tyler afternoons on news Stork z B. I
think people are jumping on the Gus sycamore.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah, he's getting a lot of supports.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I just don't think it's practical. Gus the sycamore.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah, like your fire gusp sheep is made. Oh, eight
one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number of cool?
If you are at the strike as we speak, King
never chat with you as well. Will it work?

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah? Do you think the strikes are gonna work?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
For a good afternoon. It's twenty one past two and
we've asked the question do you think this mega strike
will work?

Speaker 8 (50:35):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the
validity of this megastrike. Pole came back sixty five percent
of people. So it was a pole of four hundred
and sixty four people, right, Yeah, anyway, we're looking to it.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Yeah, we'll get the scientific grigor of that particular pole because.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
You've got a question those things, Well, you normally do
a pole of a thousand people, don't you do? Yeah,
so your margin of earth goes up. But I mean,
if it's a fair enough poll and Talbot Mills research pole,
then I mean, what's the margin of er It's probably
you'd still dodgy as the poll is sixty five percent,
Maybe you could say that generally speaking. You know, people

(51:17):
support the strikes at the stage. Yeah, but as I say,
not the texts to Matantile APN's New York or say
be that support Gus's calls to have everyone a lot
of support for Gus everyone.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Josh, how are you? Mate?

Speaker 9 (51:31):
Not a bet?

Speaker 24 (51:32):
It's sweating it out here.

Speaker 25 (51:34):
Nice listening down so you can.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Hear me talk, good man, we're about in the country.
You just quickly just.

Speaker 24 (51:42):
Out a little Canterbury out on the planes.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
Mate.

Speaker 25 (51:47):
We're we're pretty lightly here, no real damage here.

Speaker 26 (51:52):
Got a wind, good news, that's twenty three, twenty four
degrees and bright sunshine, howling wind, lovely you just I
don't want to sound like the Moana Mate and Joy
join the queue.

Speaker 24 (52:05):
But you know, I'm a parent, I'm I'm.

Speaker 15 (52:08):
Bold in the school.

Speaker 25 (52:10):
Won't name of school to a parental growth and basically
we don't. We have we've made it clear that we're
not supporting the teachers, and this, my wife to nurses
would be to do your own thing.

Speaker 24 (52:27):
I think you know, even anyone.

Speaker 25 (52:29):
There's been in hospital understands the demands you know of
nursing and it's not a nine to five like teaching.
So that's not compared to Yeah, I think teachers are
well paid currently telling the high school students that they
are not striking for a pay rise, which is incorrect.

(52:51):
And let's be on the current economic climate, we'd all
love a pay roads say there's numbers waiting in the wings.
We do want the best people, but the best people
aren't going to go there for an each of five
thousand dollars. Career teachers do deserve to be locked after
and paid well, but I also think they need to

(53:14):
reflect on some of their decisions in the past few
years which have cost attacked pay a millions and millions
of dollars.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Do you think if they because they've got the text here,
Josh says, I hear on your bulletins that the strikers
are saying it's not about money. But if it was
about increasing support staff, and then why not drop the
pay demand, So, you know, would you think that would
be a way to move things forward if they it's
not about the money, just drop that part of it

(53:42):
and make that make the success of the strike or
the demands purely are around the you know, the conditions
and the support.

Speaker 25 (53:52):
Yeah, well that would possibly lead to conclusion. But I
have to be more politically driven to cause a disturbance
rather than rarely what is that What they want has
basically been offered, just not.

Speaker 24 (54:13):
Quite that same that pay ray.

Speaker 25 (54:15):
But the way I look at it is we've got
as school.

Speaker 24 (54:18):
We're looking at pay one teacher through maximum fifteen to
eighteen students, which I think is you can't get any
better than that.

Speaker 25 (54:29):
We've got great conditions, it's just not the time and
the place and the disturbancey cause for low income families,
like like, I'm not saying on my income, but you know,
we struggle.

Speaker 24 (54:42):
My partner works, she's got to take days off work
every time there's strike as we lose out every time
we pay for the refurbishments for the open learning disaster
that we all said wasn't going to work. That's costing
millions and millions of dollars of refurbishment and canify alone.

(55:02):
So yeah, I just seen that fighting there. Ron Peddle
right now not being fine.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
You go, thank you so much for your cool, Josh.
Nobody got a tax cut, your muppets. We had massive
inflation under labor and the tax brackets weren't moved to
reflect this. Taxes were increased relative to real term wages,
and a portion of that increase was reversed. Yeah, I
wasn't saying that. I was just saying that that wasn't
us that said that about the tax cuts. But that's

(55:32):
the argument, isn't it, That we shouldn't have had the
tax cuts and then the government would have money to
pay then the nurses and teachers more. But effectively that's
paying the other people that aren't nurses and teachers and
healthcare workers less.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's the side of that argument when
it comes to our money, which is effectively tax jack.
You agree with the nurses and the.

Speaker 23 (55:59):
Teachers, Gay Fellows, No, not Actually, nurses I get behind Actually,
when you're putting in that much overtime and I don't know,
doing twelve hour shifts and helping people like saving their lives,
I kind of kind of get behind a bit of
a pay rise. When you look at the teachers, I'm
not too sure twelve twelve weeks paid holiday a year,

(56:23):
you're going like eight forty five to three PM. I'm
not too sure if I get behind them personally, Yeah,
that's my opinion.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
But they they client. I mean, how do you reckon
you'd go teaching thirty screaming cads with varying degrees of neurodiversity.

Speaker 23 (56:42):
Oh well, you chose to get into that profession. I
wouldn't say why, but I don't know the numbers of
the facts, but I do get behind the nurses the
teachers that I'm struggling, and as the previous caller set,
they're not asking for a pay rise, so what does
it they actually want.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
I get your point about the twelve weeks holiday, and
that's you know, that is part of the deal when
you become a teacher, and it is a benefit of
the job to some of them. But speaking to some
teachers on no Jeck is no doubt about it. And
this is the tricky part is that they do have
more kids with special needs within the classroom, and they
don't have a choice. They have to direct most of
their teaching and focus on those children, which means, sadly,

(57:21):
the clever kids start to miss out because they think
the clever kids are meeting the targets. I don't have
to worry about them, but that sucks because if you've
got a clever kid, you want the teacher to be
just as focused in on them to get them to
the next level rather than the kids with extra needs.
So having an AID in there, to my eyes, isn't
a bad thing, and I'd.

Speaker 23 (57:40):
Have to agree. To be honest, I don't know too
much about the points of either side, but all I
know is that nurses. I've been into Auckland Hospital and
the net Hospital it's a hellhole.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
You wait on the er for keen out my goodness check,
I've just been running around.

Speaker 8 (57:55):
I've just been.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Involved in Auckland Hospital and that is a It's a
hellhole exactly. That's the only way to describe it. You
just can't. It's just not functional. You've got so many
people there waiting and stressed staff and just to get
them through.

Speaker 23 (58:10):
A woman in the corridors. Yes, it's actually really sad.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
It actually hit me quite hard. I actually got quite
emotional about it, just seeing these sort of bewildered, sort
of lost, sick and injured people just being led around,
sitting down waiting for hours. And then you look at
the people working there and there's no way for them
to move it forward. There seems to be a log

(58:34):
jam that won't can't be broken. They can't get people
through the system. So part of me thinks that there
might be it might not be about money. I mean,
does someone who just go in there and massively overhaul
the systems that are in place there because it just
didn't seem to work at all?

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Well, great, should c almost?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I just feel like that. I wondered, Actually, I was
thinking about it when I was there, and just quickly
is there the problem of blame? You know, we have
this whole thing where someone has to be blamed if
something goes wrong, If someone goes through the hospital and
their treatment isn't quite exactly right, the whole media and
world comes down on someone and blames them. As a result,

(59:17):
everything in the health system seems to be so risk
averse to that you can't actually move things forward. You
can't just get a doctor going no, you'll fine, get
out of here.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
I think you're right, you come through.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
We're just going to go and deal with this person
straight away.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
You know, it's a messive part of it. You're right,
because it has to go through multiple chicks. You were there,
you saw it first out, because they've got to protect
their butts. And that's no you know, not being disparaging
of the doctors and nurses. That's what they have to
do to protect their asses. But it clogs things up clearly. Yeah,
I mean to multiple people.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Do we just need to accept for the health system
to work and get through that every now and then
you're going to get a bum deal and something's going
to go wrong and someone's going to miss out. But
ninety nine percent of people will get through, while that
one percent is unlucky, and just empower doctors and nurses
to make clear decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Interesting point, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call, Jack, Thanks very much for giving
us a buzz. Headlines with railing coming up. We got
full boards at the moment. If you can't get through,
keep trying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
And why the hell are there so many neurodivergent kids
all of a sudden? Why is there nineteen people in
a thirty person class that have serious neurodivergency?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Another great question. I wish I could answer it, but
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
And what I would say is, if you've got thirty
people in a class, thirty of them in eurodivergent because
we're all different, right, Yeah, good point.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Thank you very much, Raylean, and we're talking about the
strike currently under way. Do you think it will work?
That's the question we put to you. Oh one hundred
and eighty ten eighty set number a.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Bit of a pushback on what Jack was saying about
the hours that teachers work. We are neighbors of a
local primary school, and teachers are at work around seven
thirty am and leave around five pm, and sometimes they're
on the weekends and on holidays as well. I'm an
education I rave at school each day by seven to
seven point fifteen am. Every day I'm there and I
don't leave until at least five pm, and work most

(01:02:27):
evenings to keep on top of things, and for the
last thirty plus years have worked most weekends for at
least half a day. Call appeared to be misinformed, but
this Texas says, what about the police who can't strike?
Where nurses jumped thirty k in seven years, teachers jump
forty k and ten years, and cops jump thirty k
and twenty years. They got screwed over every time. Yet

(01:02:48):
just part of call whenever something goes wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yeah, good text.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
I mean that's rough on the police not to strike.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Yeah yeah. And this one on the nurs's side of things, guys,
no one and I do mean, no one has asked
the strikers where this money will come from. I was
a nurse for more than twenty three years. Do you
know what we earn? More than the majority of you realize?
Trust me on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Okay, And it's not twelve weeks holiday, get it right.
Most people get what regular people get, and it's not
eight forty five to three pm. A lot of ignorance
from you both. I didn't say that callers.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
That's what the call is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
We're here to have a conversation. People come through and
say what they're saying. Yep, So a lot of ignorance
from U. Text are saying that ignorance from us.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
You have you hit the same, right, de Alex.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 27 (01:03:35):
Yeah yeah, so just dis gout to the strikes. I
think one of the things is I think with all
of them striking together on the same day, I think
that the whole purpose is getting defeated. I think because
because you're comparing. You need to compare apples with apples,
because the teachers work probably a nine to five shift
or or eight to five shift, and they got like

(01:03:55):
normal Monday to private jobs, whereas the nurses and other
medical staff they've got another shift work and they're leading
in the front lines with all the bugs and viruses
and angry patients and relatives, you know, And you know,
you're comparing two different class of workers there, and you're
trying to strike. And and now they say it's not
about money, you know, when we now asked for the

(01:04:16):
I've heard from French statters is that you know, they've
the nots who's offered like a one percent hike when
the inflation was around three to four percent.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Yeah, So you think I think it does the messagelics
when they and clearly it is political. And I think
Chris Abercrombie from the PPTA told that to Ryan Bridge.
When you coordinate strikes, clearly it is political when he
admitted that this morning. But you think it does the
message when they're all when they're all striking at once,
that that weakens each of their demands exactly.

Speaker 27 (01:04:44):
That's what's happening and so, and the thing is with
regard to the nursis and you know, the police and
they're not allowed to strike, and then you're still to
keep the life preserving services, so they technically they aren't striking,
just probably then the elective surgeries and stuff that gets delayed,
so they aren't actual actually striking, they're still providing the service,
whereas the teachers are completely off work today when they

(01:05:05):
are doing that, and again they got their normal term
break and you know, the leads and stuff like that.
So it's it's not fair to compare to teach us
claims with and as you know from the last week,
you know, and they tried to sneak in the Palestine
issue into the whole agenda. So that is so sure
that another of the unions are just playing their games

(01:05:25):
against the government because they're not the labor government back
the unions, you know, So it's more of a political
thing rather than I think. So it's something probably the
nurses Union and teachers Union need to know their unions
to know to voice out their real consult rather than
muddling and messing not mixing of the messages. For combining
all the strikes today on one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Day Yeah, I think I think that there's there's some
truth in that, because you know, we're going through these
these pages of demands from the teachers and the healthcare workers,
and it does totally muddy the waters and they're completely
different situations.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
So I guess the mega strike makes a huge statement
and it's got us talking about it and you can't
hide from it. Whereas the teacher seemed to be striking
all the time, so potentially people were, well, it's sat
for the people that have to stay home from work
and look after the kids. Yeah, but people were not
seeing anymore. So it's a big statement. But you're right,

(01:06:22):
Alex Muddy's the waters, Yeah on the demands, because the
demands are different.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Yeah, gets lost in translation, right, Yeah, because we're fried.
I've gone deep into the demands of various people who
were striking, and it's pretty hard to get my head
around all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
The six says. I was asking about why is there
so many neurodiverse children out there? Because I heard this
caller through to Kerry Wooden Show and she was saying
in her class of thirty, there was nineteen neurodiverse kids
in there. I was like, how can that be and
this primary school teacher was saying, it's so different from
when I was a kid. And she was quite a
young primary school teacher. She didn't have been to teacher
for seven years. She was saying, it's so different from
when she was primary in primary school. Just the vast

(01:06:57):
amount of people that are neurodiverse now, and they have
so many neurodiverse children and classrooms the sticks as it
is extremely hard to get ORES funding overview ongoing scheme
funding which you need to have to be able to
go to a special school or to get extra support
funded teacher aides. Unless your child is in nappies, it
is highly unlikely you will get ORES funding Now. Even

(01:07:20):
those who aren't toilet trained are not getting funding and
going into new entrants at school. Teachers need support, not
more pay. Okay, but there does seem to be more neurodiverse?
Is that just because where are you? Know? You didn't
used to get diagnosed as neurodiverse?

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
It must be right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
I mean I was just diagnosed as a little shit
when I was maybe there was something wrong with me,
It was just you are a disruption?

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Did you get extra focused or they just thought I
don't worry about if.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
You mean having to move my desk out in front
of the deputy principal's office and do all my work
there in my little desk, then I did get special attention.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Yeah, good as well. It is nineteen to three, back
very shortly. Do you think these strikes will work? Back
at the month?

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Shout out to mister Let's at Bell mckum Intermediate, a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Fresh take on talkback. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talks.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Be afternoon to you. It's sixteen to three talking about
the mega strike while it works.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Katherine says these latest messages are more correct about teachers.
My son is a teacher, and I know how hard
he works before school and in the evenings and on
weekends in some parts of school holidays. The general public
don't know this. They jump to conclusions. Also, the teachers
that teach my grandchildren are at work early. I've seen
them when going to work and they are still there
in the afternoons after school. They work bloody hard. Also,

(01:08:44):
it's not just about the money, it's what they are
required to do that the general public don't see class
planning marking, which is huge, etcetera, etcetera. I wish more
teachers would ring in to explain it in these instead
of these people ringing in texting with rubbish facts.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Cheers Katine, and please do if you're a teacher out
there listening right now or you might be having you
might be at these strikes with the play cards, come
on through one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yes, And because our show is all about the conversation
and giving everyone side that we can and the time
that we have here at Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
on news talks, he'd be Here's an opposing point of view.
Teachers are obviously responsible for many of the poor outcomes
of our education system, but they do not seem to
accept that. Now they seem to use neurodiversity as an

(01:09:27):
excuse for poor results. I blame the kids and their parents.
It's about time they stop blaming everyone else. Most of
them probably should have their pay reduced.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Tom okay Strong one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number?

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
So if a teacher works nine to five, they're just
doing a normal day. Yeah, it's probably fair, Ye cahn't
your thoughts on the strikes.

Speaker 28 (01:09:51):
Yeah, hey, guys, really enjoy the show, you.

Speaker 13 (01:09:55):
No worries?

Speaker 28 (01:09:58):
Yeah, I'm kind of struggling with with people ringing up
and the whole nine to three, And like it's fairly
obvious from the calls that we've had and we're putting
we're putting these people in charge of our children to
give them knowledge and to educate them to be the

(01:10:23):
next CEO, the next Prime minister, the next bunch of nurses,
the next whatever. And I don't feel like, I feel
like if pay them, pay them what they're worth, Like, yeah,
they've got a huge responsibility as far as our community goes.

(01:10:46):
And yeah, and we're all arguing about paying them more.
I just, yeah, I think it's madness.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
But I guess, you know, And as David Seymour said
this morning, there's not a person in cabinet that doesn't
want to pay them more. But the argument against that
is that we're a bit of a broke country at
the moment and we're not really in a bosie to
pay them more. Who would you pay less so we

(01:11:12):
could pay them more? Or where would you move the
money from so we can pay them more? Carn Because
it's not great. If we start if we borrow the
money to pay them, that doesn't set up our children
very well for the future, as they have to pay
that debt.

Speaker 28 (01:11:22):
Off percal I take some money off the knuckleheads that
are ringing and complaining about teachers. Let's start there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Cas isn't going to be happy with that. Can so
that that would involve us handing out numbers to the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Now, I mean, is there a perfect year can? The
more I hear and it seems to be. And this
is just the conversations an agnodal conversations I've had with
some teachers, is that the behavioral problems and call it
neuro divers or call it just kids behaving badly, that's
a massive part of it, right, and they have to
focus in on these kids, and that means kids who
do who are achieving, but they've got potential to do
far more, they get no attention. So back to my

(01:12:02):
original point, because I've gone off tangent there, But this
comes back to parents, right. Parents are involved in the
upbringing of these kids, and these kids have extra behavioral issues.
There's got to be some support outside of the school
system to deal with that. It's not solely up to
teachers to figure out the best way to deal with
kids who are behaving badly.

Speaker 28 (01:12:20):
Can I say something really quick? My son, my son
is heavily autistic. He's he's he's verbal, but he's he struggles,
he's ADHD as well. And we've put him into a
Steiner Model school Wardoff School here in Hamilton, and it's

(01:12:40):
an absolute godsend, like like I being as being his dad,
sometimes I struggle with his behavior and imagine having a
room of nineteen like like just the patience of a saint.

Speaker 26 (01:12:59):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 28 (01:13:02):
Think anybody who has autistic children or on the spectrum
at all. WARDORFF has solved half of your yeah, education
problems with our Sunnis. That just just magic.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
And but there's quite a waiting list to get into
those schools, isn't it, those din of schools? Am I right? Can't?

Speaker 28 (01:13:22):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:13:22):
There is?

Speaker 28 (01:13:22):
Yeah, yeah we added three years, but yeah it was worth.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
It, yes well. And so so with that in mind,
if the teachers just drop the pay increase part of
it and and just really focused on the conditions and
you know, the support and the teachers aids and such,
would you, you know, do you think they'd get more
more a more favorable response from the texts and call

(01:13:48):
us to Matt tight afternoons and you still said if
that matters.

Speaker 28 (01:13:53):
Absolutely, the I mean the fact that it's being brought
up or the oh yeah, it's I mean you could
you can discuss this in the next three days and
still not recovered it. But yeah, it's yeah, I'm sure
you guys have come up with the right solution.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Wow, it's a lot of faith in the wrong place,
I think, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
But all the best with your son, can't ye And
I'm glad he's in a school that's that's working out
from that's that's that's great to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Absolutely, yeah, thank you very much. Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Love to
hear from you. Do you think the strikes will work?
And if you're involved, if you're a teacher or medical professional,
come on through.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Yeah, well we'll talk to angus next to the teacher,
the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
That affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.
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Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Talks there be. It is seven to three and we're
talking about the mega strike. Do you think it will work.
That's the question we've put to you. But we're getting
all sorts of good people coming through with their thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Angus, you're a teacher, so love to hear your thoughts
on on on the strike. Whether you think it's going to.

Speaker 9 (01:15:04):
Work LEDs.

Speaker 21 (01:15:08):
Yeah, I don't know, really, it's pretty hard to know,
as I still think I'm in the union. Two years ago,
I voted down the offer that were eventually accepted because
it was essentially kind of kicking again down the road
we didn't really get. I feel like we've got a
pretty piss for offer that we had to accept because

(01:15:30):
there was nothing else coming. So you're not going to
say no to a really poor offer. But now here
we are again, and we're losing public opinion because people
will see what the nurses have to go through and think, yep,
it's paid them better. They see what the sort of
the economy is in and like you, well, where's the
money coming from. You're already bothering Peter to pay Paul.

(01:15:51):
And then you know the old miss that teachers get
twelve weeks holiday year and nine to three. It's like,
it's interesting. I sort of wanted to comment on the
scope of the job.

Speaker 17 (01:16:03):
I think.

Speaker 21 (01:16:04):
I see, I've been teaching for sort of ten or
so years, and I think in my time teaching, I've
found the partial care of students actually go up quite
a lot if the demands and you are quite high now,
particularly with social media and the unadult rated screen time
that some kids will get at home that schools have
no control over. And then you're having to pick up

(01:16:25):
the steteries at school with these kids that just lack engagements.
They get so bored with what you put in front
of them, but that ain't fortnite. It ain't the things
that they engage with at home. And I then parents
who will not all of them, but you'll definitely get
parents that will sling a bit of crap your way
because you're not doing enough for it's the school's fault.

(01:16:47):
And often school is a symptom of society. You're trying
to deal with some of society's issues. And yet yeah,
it's like the teacher's fault. And again, some of these
issues we're going through, the teachers are a cog and
a much bigger system. You're just trying to facilitate learning
within a bigger system. NCA that's changing. Teachers are having

(01:17:07):
to pick up the pieces there. Yeah, but then I
don't know where I said on paying the teachers more
because I'm like, everyone's doing it pretty tough. Yeah, and
where does that money come from? So I understand the
economics of it, but essentially, what value do we want
to put on an education in this country?

Speaker 17 (01:17:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:17:27):
As now the time to really start to solve that problem.

Speaker 9 (01:17:31):
Maybe not.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
It's really interesting what you say, Angus, that attention span thing,
because we've talked about a lot on the show, the
plummeting attention spans, and we've been talking about it from
an adult perspective, but from a child's perspective, Oh my god,
that they are there. That I mean, how do you
How do you deal with kids that can't even concentrate

(01:17:53):
for what thirty seconds?

Speaker 21 (01:17:55):
So I feel it every day when I get in
front of my students and I actually put a time
for them, give me two minutes, but undivided at engine
and within pian seconds are gone.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
It's terrifying. Adam bad Yeah, thank you so much for
your call, Angus.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Yeah, what a great call. Look, we're going to carry
this on, I think because we've had so many people
want to have a chat about this, and we've got
full boards at the moment. If you can't get through,
keep trying. But oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
if you're a teacher, if you're a medical professional, love
to hear from you. What are your demands and what
do you think you'll get out of the strike. Do
you think it will work? Really can have that conversation

(01:18:31):
with you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call. Nine two ninety two is the
text number. We've got new sport and weather coming up
as well, and we're keeping on top of any developments
you need to hear about the weather. Mark Mitchell just
heads up, we'll be doing a media stand up at
three forty five pm. That is all coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
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Speaker 13 (01:18:55):
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Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
On News Talk Sebby, Very good afternoon to you. It
is seven past three. Just before we get back to
the discussion about the mega strike and we'll at work.
We've got some weather updates for you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
That's right. The Greater Graymouth water treatment plant at Coal
Creek has been shut down. That the Council is asking
people to please urgently conserve water as the Omato Reserve
is starting to run low.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Yes and one O war two A wong Anui region
has two thousand properties without power. And we just had
a text update that there's some power outages in mos
Girl as well. And just a heads up, we are
expecting a stand up from Emergency Minister Mark Mitchell at
three forty five and about thirty minutes he's going to
give you an update on the latest of the state

(01:19:45):
of emergency in christ jug En, Canterbury.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
And someone's just texted that Moscule is the powers down
a Moscule?

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
And you know how we were talking before a couple
of hours ago, now hour and a half ago, Haybag
he was fanging down towards Foxton. He was trying to
get home to lower Heart, I believe, yeah, but he
decided to stop it at Foxton. I heard the powers
out in Foxton. Heybag, Habag's pulled in for a beer
and the powers out in Foxton. I can't confirm that,

(01:20:15):
so maybe someone can help on nine two nine two
is the power in Foxton? But I can confirm that
Foxton foods still exist.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Yeah, that is good. That's what we all want to know.
Right back to the discussion we've been having about the
mega strike. Do you think it will work?

Speaker 8 (01:20:27):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
This text says, hey, guys, it's a bit ironic that
the country is a bit broke at the moment to
pay the teachers what they want. Well, who broke the country? Labor?
Who would most teachers vote for labor? Since this text?

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
Thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Learning assistants Teachers aids are striking, and the reasons why
haven't got a bit lost in the media. It's because
three and every ten students that need extra support in
the classroom are missing out. This impacts the unsupported student
and their family, the teacher, and the other students in
the class. Learning assistants are standing by their teacher colleagues
and asking for a learning assistant in every state classroom.

(01:21:06):
It's because there is no real job security. Positions are
paid out of operation grants, not centrally funded. Teachers aids
compete to be paid with the Power Bill and every
other rising operational cost. A teacher aid A funding review
that recommends central funding was put on their Minister's desk
in twenty twenty three and has not been actioned. That

(01:21:26):
have been a different minister's desk. It's because pay equity
has achieved in twenty twenty, but since then pay has
fallen seventeen cent below pay equity due to stagnant wages.
It's because in their wisdom, the government decided to get
rid of pay equity review clauses this year that would
have stopped wages going backwards against inflation and pay equity
effectively being lost again. A support staff contract expired in

(01:21:49):
December last year. The best of three officers sixty cents
in year one, fifteen cents in year two and twenty
five cents in year three. It's to stand beside our
teachers and school support staff, librarians, livery assistants, administration support
and science technology technicians colleagues because we believe in tomariki

(01:22:11):
in education and they all deserve more. So there was
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
It's complex, very complex, but thank you for that information.
It's a good text, but there's a lot in there. Louise,
you're a PSA excuse me PSA delegate, Is that right? Yes, yep,
Nice to have you on. So are you on the
teachers side of things, or you're from the health.

Speaker 7 (01:22:32):
Side of things.

Speaker 29 (01:22:33):
I'm in health. I'm an Allied Health assistant and I'm
a PSA delegate here in Blenham. I'm also on the
bargaining team with tafata Ura for our collective agreement.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
So do you think it's helpful that you guys and
your demands, which are very different from the teachers are
all being lumped together in this mega strike, because what
we're sort of hearing on the text machine is people
are getting very confused between the two.

Speaker 16 (01:22:57):
See.

Speaker 29 (01:22:58):
I think it's really important for people to just remember
that the public service as a whole is one big
part of where our tax money goes, and it's the
public service that we're trying to draw attention to with this.
That's my understanding of why we're doing this combined strike,
the MAGA strike.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Right, But do you think you know that that? But
when you when you you know, when you bring that
to the attention, do you also understand that that say,
someone's at home because their teachers are striking and so
they're they're having to take it do off work. Like
a number of people have texted in and called in
and said they may have a lot of appreciation for nurses,

(01:23:41):
say because the nurses help them recently, but at the
same time having not much having a little bit of
resentment towards the teachers because the teachers don't appear to
be helping them. Do you see what I'm saying?

Speaker 16 (01:23:51):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 29 (01:23:52):
I see that, and I understand it. I think it's
a little bit like, you know, voting a certain way.
Maybe you don't love every single member of Parliament who's
running for that party, but overall you're still voting for
the party. I think it's That's how I see it. Anyway,
the public sector deserves fun and it we shouldn't be
losing our funding at the for the benefit of the

(01:24:13):
private sector, which is what appears to be happening.

Speaker 11 (01:24:16):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
New Zealand faces type budgets at the moment. Obviously we've
got huge we're huge rising det Why because why we
got huge rising dit because we borrowed too much money.

Speaker 29 (01:24:27):
But why One of the reasons why we face budget
shortages at the moment is choices that this government has made.
And I feel personally this is I'm not an accountant,
this is my personal take on things. I feel like
the decisions that they're making are not being they're not
being held to account for, so bad decisions that end

(01:24:47):
up costing less money, like what for example, like giving
massive tax breaks to private certain private sectors, it ends
up costing the public sector because they're taking money.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
What particular private sectors are you talking about?

Speaker 29 (01:25:04):
For example, hot tobacco.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
So let's move on from that one, because that one's
too complicated and it wasn't an example. No, but that
one's not really I mean, if you go into that,
we go back and forth on that, anyone argues on it,
and it's not really it's it's not really. That's not
really Okay, all.

Speaker 29 (01:25:22):
Right, So several billion dollars have come out of the
public purse, out of the government's purse and gone towards
to tax breaks for income that's earned by landlords and
changes to the break line test.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
But but I mean that's once again, why would landlords
be treated different from any other business? I mean, that's
just that's just right, that's just that's just changing, that's
just that's just rolling back something. There was a labour
changed it and national changed it back, right, Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:25:49):
They changed it back, and it cost us money.

Speaker 20 (01:25:51):
It lost us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Money bought rents down, though, didn't it.

Speaker 29 (01:25:56):
I'm not entirely sure that it did. But it's income.
Why shouldn't income be taxed as income? If it was
money that those people were earning out their jobs, they
would pay a certain level of tax on it.

Speaker 14 (01:26:07):
Why we aren't they.

Speaker 29 (01:26:07):
Paying their earning process?

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Well, because in any business, you have to be able
to write off certain expenses, the expenses that it takes
to earn the money. I mean, that's how that's how
all business works, right, because because you don't, you have
certain expenses you have to pay to make your money.
And that's and their government takes that into account.

Speaker 29 (01:26:25):
You may have a much better understanding than idea about
these things. In my understanding. The one of the reasons
that the budget is so constrained right now is because
of decisions that have been made by the government to
specifically not to fund the public service. So do you
do fund health?

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
And then there is there's there's there's a finite amount
of money though, so so any any government, and the
previous government was the same. And of course teachers were
striking then as well, and nurses were striking then as well,
So there is a said amount of money. So if
you pay teachers and nurses more, for example, if we're

(01:27:06):
just talking about pay, that's a pay hat for everyone else.
Did you see what I'm saying?

Speaker 29 (01:27:12):
I actually I disagree because I think that when we
have a healthy public sector, the economy thrives. People aren't
in physical straits, not in emergency situations because they weren't
able to get the healthcare that they should have had,
the preventative healthcare, or the healthcare when it was just

(01:27:33):
a small problem. And that has an economic effect. So
when there are suddenly less preventive programs because that money
has all been cut, people get sicker, and that costs
us more money, far more money. It's the ambulance at
the bottom of the hill, isn't it. Instead of stopping
the people from getting sick in the first place, we
end up catching them at the bottom with big, long queues,

(01:27:56):
and that costs us a lot more money.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
But bake full circle the ways I mean. This is
arguably the issue with this mega strike that you've got
all the public servants striking for various different reasons, is that,
no doubt, it's been proven that there was leakage and
overspend and wastage within the public service, not the health
system necessarily, but that was proven. So people look at
that element and they see that they're in a private

(01:28:20):
sector and they haven't got a pay rise for a
couple of years because it's tough at the moment and
everybody struggling, and then see what's going on today, and
they start to wonder and whether this is fear. This
is a question to you, whether it's fear. They start
to wonder, why why can't you guys dig in for
a bit as well until things get better.

Speaker 29 (01:28:38):
But we're talking about no pay increases or pay increases
that come far under what their cost of inflation is.
So we're actually doing more work because they've cut our
staff considerably, so we have far more work to do,
longer wait lists, a lot more anxiety over not being

(01:28:59):
able to get to our patients. And I think this
is probably similar for education for less money than what
it was, say two years ago, when we were keeping
up with inflation.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
So is it for you more about pay or about conditions?

Speaker 24 (01:29:17):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
No, do you think things would go better because you
know everyone's doing it tough at the moment, and in
the private sector, no one's getting pay increases as tighter, says,
so if the pay increase part of this was cut,
so the teachers and the health sector people that are
striking said, okay, no, it's all about conditions. It's all

(01:29:38):
about the service that we can provide to children and
people in need of health care. It's not about our money.
We'll just take that off the top.

Speaker 29 (01:29:47):
I don't think you can say that as a blanket,
because there are certainly some sectors where, for example, they
didn't get their pay equity through in time and before
it was canceled, so and those people are still on
salaries that are ridiculously low compared to say, for example,
the community support workers Karen support workers in the community.

(01:30:10):
And I know you've just talked about all the ones
in the last texture mentioned in education. So for the
people that haven't got pay equity, their salaries are shockingly
low and barely about minimum wage. So for them, I
think that that pay is probably needs to be on
the table. For the most part, though, funding the sector adequately,

(01:30:33):
having enough staff, approving funding for enough staff, actually canceling
hiring freezers and being able to have enough staff would
make a massive difference.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Absolutely well, thank you so much for you call Louise
appreciate you calling in.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Louise was a
PSA delegate on the health side of things, so you
heard what she had to say. Keen on your thoughts,
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty And do you think
this strike will work? It's eighteen past three US talks.
It'd be afternoon. We're talking about the so called megastrike.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
This tix To says, I'm sorry, but I'm finding it
hard to support this latest strike. As a report worker
looking after people in their own homes, I am paid
twenty five dollars seventy nine per hour when with a client,
only paid travel in between, in which I use my
own vehicle for beg. Pardon and work long hours. Our
job is to keep people independent in their own homes.
So without support workers, care homes and hospitals would be

(01:31:27):
even busier, while I treasure the work doctors, teachers, nurses
are doing. Come on, guys, lots of us are working
very hard for a lot less and in some cases
worse hours from a hard working support worker. Okay, thank
you for your text.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Yeah, and they are incredibly valuable, no doubt about it.
Support workers.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
So Howard says, so back to tax breaks for landlords, etc.
Which is something that gets brought up constantly, which prior
to labor that money wasn't in the system anyway. So
it's just typical unions bashing a government. Stop wasting everyone's time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Plenty of techs coming through A nine to two ninety
two hundreds coming. If you want to send a teacher,
more than welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Here you go. This Texas came through. If Nichola can
find money for tax cats, I'm sure she can find
money to get this country moving.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
Thank you very much. Right, we're a little bit late
because we had a big conversation with Luise from the PSA.
But it is twenty two pass three. Taking your calls
next on OH eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty on US
Talk SB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Twenty five pass three. So nine two nine till is
the text number. Keen to get your thoughts on this
mega strike. Is it going to work?

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
I think it's funny with the show, and I really
enjoy it. I enjoy the conversation. It's it's a great time.
But when anyone calls in, I think I believe it's
our job.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
I'm a big fan of Socrates, so creates as I
call them, Yep, big fan, my big. Our job is
to ask the opposing question to their opinion, just to
question what they're saying, right, yeah. And as soon as
you do that, it just swings back and forth where
people accusing you in the most aggressive terms of being
on one side or the other. And so you get

(01:33:07):
just text to text where you're being abused from both sides.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
I'm glad. I'm glad you said that, but I was
thinking the same thing. I just saw them pop up
and I just thought, hey, we're having that part of
conversation as you ask questions and you challenge points of view. Yeah,
that's kind of our job here. But boy oh boy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
So you listen to people, you let people have a say,
and then you put the opposing opinion. You know, you
try and steal my steel man either side of the argument, right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Yeah. But people don't like that, apparently, No, people.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Hate that everyone. Yeah, you just scat But it's just
so funny. It's like from both sides you're being accused
of because people only hear what they want to hear.

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
So it's so people are angry and if you don't
say exactly, even if you're asking a question of someone,
if you don't say exactly what they agree with, even
if there's a question mark at the end of it,
then they blow their top like a kettle and fire
a few abuse.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Yeah, but you love it. I'm still getting used to it.
But you know, I love it. I just dislike it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
I love it, but I just worry for people's sanity. Yeah,
that they can't even handle hearing a question, a questioning
of their opinions.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
Yeah, just take a breath, have a cup of tea.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Steve, welcome the show.

Speaker 13 (01:34:18):
How hi, can you hear your own I'm in my bed.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
We can hear you loud and clear, Steve, beautiful.

Speaker 13 (01:34:24):
So just you know, covering that subcrates of the argument.
So we'velet like diversa opinion. At least we're supposed to
be getting the best result the argument, you know that
rolls out the right answer? How do you move forward
from here? So I argue with my wife constantly, Well,
we discuss it constantly. So this I just want to

(01:34:45):
represent the small business owner and this discussion, So the
PSA person was saying about the you know, the flashing
of job numbers in that area and so forth. Sure
it takes that money out of the system, and it
doesn't get spent in. Small businesses suffer. Private business suffers
just as much. But we don't get a guaranteed pay

(01:35:05):
rise every year. We have to struggle through pay egst
all the extra costs that are throwing at us. And
basically when we're not making it through the door, we're
normally funding it or financing it ourselves personally until businesses
fall over. Now we've been losing a business a day,

(01:35:26):
you know, just you know recently, so businesses are still failing.
Private businesses and they haven't got that certainty that does
come with the PSA or belonging to that. Education and
nurses and so forth. They deserve more money. Don't get
me wrong. My wife will argue, well, what about the politicians.

(01:35:47):
They were on level footing with detachers and nurses with pay.
Do we need as many counselors, you know, making so
much money as well? You know, surely it's time for
them to take a little bit of a lead by
example and take a bit of a chat and tightened
a belt. But there is only a certain pot of
money to fix all these problems. So when you're robbed

(01:36:09):
from Peter, Paul has to pay. I don't see, you know.
And if it's the numbers in this whole idea that
they're saying, I know, it's not about the cash that
we want extra, it's actually about the provision of starving
numbers and so well, I'm pretty sure that they've put
things in place to hire new people, and that takes
time to train them up and get them on board.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Now, Steve, would you agree though, essentially with Louise from
the PSA who rang and before in her claims around
the symbiotic relationship between the public sector and the private sector.
If the public sector is working for lee, let's say,
let's talk about teachers, for example. If teachers and the
education system is firing, then they're producing well balanced, smart

(01:36:53):
people that can add to the private sector and firing
fantastic workers and leaders into the system. And if the
health sectors are working, then when the private sector's workers
get sick, we can patch them up and get them
back and through the door to continue working.

Speaker 13 (01:37:11):
I think that the two groups or three groups that
you're talking to doctors, nurses, you know, teachers there the
most needed, you know, but the public service covers a
lot of people, and there were a lot of people
hired for COVID that were short term, and when COVID
was fixed or ran its course, then there needed to

(01:37:32):
be a reshrinkage, you know, a shrinking of that that group.
So people, you know, it wasn't forever an ever job
that was for the period while we had those numbers.
So you know, there is a shrinkage there. But maybe
a better way for the government to go is repurposing
these people. How come we haven't got more people going
into the schools as a teacher aide, you know, these

(01:37:54):
unemployed people get involved with your kids, go to the classes,
offer up your time, you know, if we can't afford
to pay them, at least you know, volunteers the work
to help our children through this hard period. It seems
like we just want to put questions and problems build
mountains in front of us rather than solving things.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Yeah, I mean, I see a point on the teacher
ade thing where that's it's not a solid job though,
So the teacher agent is just part of the budget
for the school along with the you know, the whiteboard markers,
and so some years they can afford more and sometimes
years they can't whiteboard markers and might not be the
best example, but you know, I mean, you go, so Steve,
there you go.

Speaker 13 (01:38:35):
So you know, we're in a small town. We volunteer
our time outside of work, we work full time hours,
and we got involved with our school. There's no point
in moaning about the results you're getting from the school
if you're not going to step up and put some
effort into trying to tune it around. And that just
means volunteering some hours or time. That's fine. But I

(01:38:57):
get your point about you know, we want to wage workers,
we want better wages for everybody. But I'm afraid the
bucket's dry and until we start you know, making some
producing some money, and that the present government seems to
be doing a lot to produce new income sources that

(01:39:19):
coming into the country. I mean, we turned off our guests,
we turned off a lot of industries. You know that
we're going to provide money. So yeah, they're doing and
open up more and more.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Well, thank you so much for you call, Steve.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Yeah, yeah, good, good comments. So eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? Nine to niney
two is the text number?

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Do you agree with them? One hundred eighteen eighty Do
you not agree with them? One hundred eighteen eighty.

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Headlines with Raylene coming up.

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(01:40:52):
In New Zealand's largest industrial action in decades, about one
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Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Thank you, ray Lean, and we are talking about this
mega strike that is taking place in some parts of
the country today due to that weather disruption. But do
you think it is gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
I'm just going to take a second year to push
back on some butt hurt text are here, So you
just reduce my wife's role to whiteboard markets. Maybe think
before you open your mouth, Maybe think before you get
on your bloody thumbs out and text in. I was
saying that it was bad that teachers aids are on
the same discretionary budget as resources. See you know, I

(01:41:45):
was just floating that idea that maybe we could get
we could get some surety into the employment of teacher's
aids and maybe that would help rather than them not
knowing if they're going to be employed yet to year.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
So come on, man case in points.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
So just the thing that cracks me out, maybe think
before you open your mouth, the idea that I'm not
going to a second.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
John some of my tea. It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
The helmocracy hypocrasy of telling me to think before over
my mouth when you blast out that idiotic text.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
You muppet people just hearing what they want to hear.
But there's a whole lot of those people coming through
nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Mark every now and then I just have to vent.
Welcome to the show, Mark, go Ratt and.

Speaker 14 (01:42:32):
Tyler and I have the answer. That's quite simple. You
thissens for the schooling. I have a year old child
of also put a rang a tamariki kids for higher
special needs through schooling, and he's been the only person
in North and West Aakland to actually get through tery
to tertiary education. You separate them out. You have a
one in three kids are supposed to be neurodiverse. Well

(01:42:57):
you're making euro diverse school So in the area you
have three schools, two are so called normal kids. The
other school has been never classorm mirror diverse. Then those
teachers aren't going to have to mark homework and stuff
like that, But then they're going to be able to
have two extra helpers in their class. My daughter current

(01:43:17):
leaves inner class and when one of the boys has
a hissy fit, the whole class has to leave and
he has to stay in there. So you sort of
have to realize that every single classroom, almost in the
whole of New Zealand has teacher raids these days. I
was one of the first children to ever experience down

(01:43:38):
some drunkards in nineteen eighty seven in the classroom, and
then I went off to high school and they were
in a segregated block. And the simple factors, I'm pretty
sure that person still has the same job pushing trolleys.
But the simple you know, didn't make our learning any better,
and it didn't make their learning any better. And the

(01:43:58):
simple factor is, if we want our education to grow
and be better, we got to look like it's Japan
and other countries that don't have these mirrod diverse twosildren
in the class roomless so called normal learning children. I
have dyslexia. You know, I've accepted I'm too mensa through
my i Q test. So it's not that I am

(01:44:20):
averse to people with there's different learning abilities, it's we
need to actually when these kids aren't going to go
to university, they're not You know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Mark, how would you just where with the line? Because
I can see that the great area coming in here
where someone's neurodiversity puts them in a different school, and
when it doesn't, because there would be some neurodiverse kids
that would benefit from being in the normal system and
being put in and then then just the spectrum of
massive trouble maker right up to person that is still

(01:44:55):
can can can get something out of a normal education,
and they're all lumped in the same school. Can you
see what I mean?

Speaker 14 (01:45:01):
You might just be moving line, But I can answer
that the minute they start putting their head a buff
a parpet. But like the you know, the kid there's
another kid in a class who told the teacher if
and a B and a fats and all the rest
of that, and she had to leave for the day. Yeah,
you know, so we lose a teacher for the day.

(01:45:22):
You know, teachers, you know, want to go to school,
teach kids who want to learn. I went to a
school that you know was a high school, one of
the biggest class schools in New Zone and I ended
up being a depead boy. But the simple factor that
the top top streamers had nothing to do with the
rest of the more ons like me the middle zone,
and then you had the ones that and it's the

(01:45:44):
minute they start putting their heads no, you can't suspend
children these times. Like this kid who said this, the
teacher went home for a couple of days, he gets
put into a class room next to the office. He
would go to this special needs school and they would
have the people. So the minute he puts his head
above the parpet like that and does that, he goes, well,

(01:46:04):
there's obviously something probably at home. If they, you know,
succeed that school, they might be able to transfer. We
have a real tribalism in schools, you know. We like
on first Afteene I was, you know, I was taken
from a normal, very good public school to a private
school because of how good I was at playing rugby.
They would have given been able to give me the

(01:46:26):
stepping stones to become a professional athlete in France or
a thale. Not national level, but they would have been
able to give me the ability to do that. We
are wasting talent by locking them into schools. We have
the supertribalism whereas they go, oh well no, our first
fifteen is third grade, but you're an A grade player.

(01:46:47):
I think a lot of people indige the same Kentigans
or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
A lot of people would agree with your making their
mark if I can just jump in quickly because we've
got to play some messages. A lot of people would
agree with your statement. But again, it comes back to funding.
And a lot of those schools already exist, whether it's Steiner,
whether it's some of those charter schools, to be able
to provide a specialized care and attention and focus to
kids with e extra needs. And a lot of those
kids are incredibly talent and incredibly clever, absolutely, and they've

(01:47:13):
probably got bright futures ahead of them. But again, how
do you fund that there's not enough places for those
kids in STEINUS schools?

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Yeah, and but I mean I do get Mark's point
because you know, as I was saying that that teacher
they heard on Kerry Wood's show this morning, she was
saying that, you know, she reckoned. She had nineteen problem
children in her class of thirty and all her time
was spent on those kids, and it certainly wasn't helped
with the open planned class at rooms because you could
have two punishing kids across three classrooms that were taking

(01:47:42):
up all the teachers times. If you know what I mean, Yes, punishing,
disrupt punishing kids not being the technical term for it,
but yeah, I mean, but I mean that I guess
that's in the end. If you're in the public system,
then you were in with everyone and that is the
that is the environment you're trying to succeed in, right, yep.
So then we're never going to get a system where

(01:48:03):
every child sits up at the front of the class
with their legs folded and they're back upright and goes
and brings the teacher in apple.

Speaker 8 (01:48:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
If only, yeah, if only it is seventeen to four
back in a month.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
It is fourteen to four, having a good discussion about
the so called mega strike. Is it going to achieve
what you expect it's going to achieve?

Speaker 30 (01:48:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
Underd eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
Take this ableism, bigot off the radio. Kids mustn't be segregators.
Teachers just need the resources and skills to assist neurodivergent children.
Stop this out of the nineteen eighties, dude from talking.
And that's a terrible idea that you wouldn't even listen
to someone else's opposing opinion. Come on, please take this
off the air. Shut him down. Abolism is an interesting one.

(01:48:56):
I mean, he was dyslexic, that guy that rang in. Yeah,
so it's not really what he was saying, wasn't. He
wasn't He had a lot of compassion for these people.
He was just saying that maybe they could get the
help that they need. But as you pointed out, Tyler,
that comes with its costs, right, So if you give
people the help that they need, it's probably going to
be you know, one to five, one to three, whatever,

(01:49:18):
you know, and that involves a huge amount of avestment
from the government.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
Exactly. But that was a well reasoned argument from that
previous caller. You know, Yes, but before you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
Start throwing aroundisms like ableism, I mean, you must have
to admit that if there's one child that's taking up
all the teachers time. Then the other twenty nine kids
in the class are victims of that exactly a certain extent.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
Jess, you're a teacher, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 30 (01:49:45):
God, I've got grand babies on board. So I didn't
attend the strike. Well, I've talked over twenty years. A
couple of things to preface this thinking. Before I started teaching,
my husband had quite a low regard for teachers, and
from the time that I started teaching, he saw how
hard we worked. Some of my concerns firusly do I

(01:50:06):
think the strike will work. I'm not really a unionist.
I'm in the union for a variety of different reasons.
But one of the things that people often don't hear
is that when I started teaching, the abagation for a
teacher was forty four. Last time I heard any stats,
it's fifty eight now people talk about and I could

(01:50:26):
be and these are just information given to me. I've
never fact checked them. But teachers are aging out now.
People suggest that we get to twelve weeks holiday and
it's and don't get me wrong, teaching as fantastic.

Speaker 14 (01:50:41):
I still love it.

Speaker 30 (01:50:41):
I'm retiring at the end of the year and I'll
come back part time for different reasons. But I love
being in a classroom. I love the engagement, but it
is hard.

Speaker 9 (01:50:50):
At these days.

Speaker 30 (01:50:51):
I've noticed the lack of engagement, increase in behavior, the
lack of attention span, lack of parental support, some of
the things that parents don't see. So you know, we
get all of these twelve weeks holidays. They don't see
me awake at two o'clock in the morning strategizing next
to move. I'm thinking about what's happened in the class

(01:51:12):
I'm strategizing how I can look at what's happening with
that child and try to implement something for them to
be more successful. We do that constantly with every child
in the classroom. You're up the front teaching, You're standing around,
You're noticing behavior, You're noticing people aren't engaged. You're scooting
around trying to problem solve, let alone considering. Yes, I've

(01:51:36):
got a range of behaviors. I've got learners with exit
cards so they can remove themselves to ten minutes if
they feel a better pressure ADHD. I've got dyslexics, I've
got I haven't this year, but I've had feedal alcohol.
There's all sorts of people in our classroom, and we
try to deal with them individually. It takes time and efforts.

(01:51:58):
So yes, we get a lot of holidays. The only
real holiday I get as a teacher is in December
because I have no one once my book closes for
that I've got an older think about until I see
my role for the next year.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
If there was one thing to get help you, so
we've you know, talked about that, what the what teachers
are asking for? What would be the single thing that
you think is the most important thing to help you?

Speaker 7 (01:52:23):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Teachers aids, I would love to see your teacher raide.

Speaker 30 (01:52:27):
So someone suggests that every class is a teacher ade.
Teacher ades are generally funded by your skill. Very few
learners kids get teacherrades that are funded, and if they are,
then there's shed within the classrooms. A teacher rade in
every classroom is absolutely you see them walking in, then
you go hellelujah, because then you've got two teachers to

(01:52:47):
support the learning in the class. Pastoral need, you know,
more support with pastoral needs. You know, the money, I
don't know.

Speaker 28 (01:52:58):
Well, everyone wants more.

Speaker 30 (01:52:59):
Money, but teaching is not attractive. We lose forty new
graduates in the first five years. So the twelve weeks
holdday is not enough to keep new graduates long term.

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
So why is that?

Speaker 30 (01:53:16):
Do we work nine to three? And I would work
past that. But it's a great gig, you know, there's
so many bonuses, pluses engaging with kids from all across
the school saying that develop My work primary train, but
I work in a secondary school, so I get the
you know, fortunate to see them grow from little people

(01:53:38):
to flourishing adults. And that's a lovely journey to be
part of as well. But it's hard.

Speaker 21 (01:53:46):
But I wouldn't not do it.

Speaker 30 (01:53:49):
But I think that if you want a teacher who's
going to be in the classroom in ten years, I'm
not going to even be relieving, and they might be
relieving in two years if I don't like it. But
who's you know, you don't want to pay them, you
don't want to secure graduates within our occupation for longer.
So who are you going to have in the classrooms? Yeah,

(01:54:11):
you know, So there's all those sorts of things to consider. Yes,
will money make a difference, generally a little bit, But
I don't think that's the real reason for everyone to
be striking, but it is conditioned.

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
Yeah, jeez, thank you very much, very thoughtful.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
Will you sound like a great New Zealander and a
fantastic teacher, Jess. It was great to hear your opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
Absolutely, and please keep on teaching for as long as
you can. We need you. Right, We're going to play
some messages, but back very shortly. It is eight minutes
to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between.

Speaker 4 (01:54:46):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
Kerry, good afternoon. You're a teacher, ade, what's the one
thing you need? We've got about sixty seconds.

Speaker 18 (01:54:57):
Okay, most teacher ades won't People won't apply because the
job security. They're not on permanent contracts, very part time,
not paid in the school holidays, and also low pay.
They start on a lower rate and the job security
is not their cuff. Erica stands, we'd got rid of

(01:55:20):
the resource teachers of literacy.

Speaker 7 (01:55:22):
They are the.

Speaker 18 (01:55:23):
People who actually caught the kids in tier three, which
is most needed. She disestablished their role and so there's
no one catching the kids at the bottom of the cliff.

Speaker 19 (01:55:35):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
That is a good list. Of demands. Kerry, thank you
very much and nicely squeezed into sixty seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
Yeah, well done, there you go. So thank you so
much for everyone for listening. It's been an intense couple
of hours of chat.

Speaker 15 (01:55:48):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
So, the teachers and health workers say pay has fallen
behind and staffing shortage threaten safety. They want fair wages
and investment in public services. The government argues that we've
got no cash. Yeah, and everyone is doing it tough
at the moment, and strikes strikes arm the public m
so to strike work. Who knows, But it's been an

(01:56:10):
intense discussion. That's why Tyler and I are here. So
thank you so much for all your text and calls
on our eight hundred eighty ten eighty The Mighty Sir
pol haunts Paul Holmes broadcaster over the year heatherdoperc islan
or something next. But Tyler, why am I playing the.

Speaker 3 (01:56:26):
Song so the doors I was as writers of the storm?
Great choice is that because we had old Haybag. He
was a knight of the road.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
What a great man. Haybag was banging it down the
road forty years driving between driving towards Upper Hut and
back the other way.

Speaker 3 (01:56:45):
What are legends?

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
He's hauled up in Foxton. He's a writer on the storm.
The best of us, all right until tomorrow afternoon. Thank
you so much for tuning in. Give them a taste
a kiwi from us, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
Love you.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
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