Full Show Podcast: 24 July 2025

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You'll be a fantastic far pretty pretty emotional around the
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Wasn't Oh the Foreign buyers ban. Yeah, I mean that
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Speaker 3 (01:18):
Absolutely after three o'clock. What are the things you need
to tick off as a parent before that's set up
for life?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
This is going to be great, Yeah, because I am
full of joy and pride because my son passed his
practical driving tests and I just thought I've ticked off
one of those things is a dad. I've taught my
son to drive and he's got his license.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
That's huge.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I've also got his teeth fixed with his braces. Spent
half my life sitting on the sideline at sports games,
coached a bunch of teams. You know, what are the
things that you have to tack off so you can
say when your child leaves home that you have been
a great parent and you have done everything that you
should do. Because where my kids were born, each of them,

(01:58):
I thought to myself, I'm going to put everything into
being a good dad here and see if I can
really nail this thing. And as he as he passed
his test, I just went I nailed that one. Yes,
what a great young man.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
He is, too good. That is after three o'clock, looking
forward to your thoughts on that. Then after two o'clock.
How much do you monitor your sleep? The world of
sleep apps has absolutely exploded in recent years. Apple Watch, Garment, Whoop,
dozens of others. Studied last year's show, just over thirty
five percent of Americans use some sort of sleep of device.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, and everyone's talking about them. In New Zealand's it
used to be that you got eight hours sleep. You've
got seven and a half hours sleep, you slept yourself
on the back, you went good. But now people are
thinking how much of that was deep sleep, how much
of that was coar sleep, how much of that was
arim how much with a useless light sleep? How often
did I wake up? All those kind of things, And

(02:49):
we just want to know if that's making you sleep better?

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Is are the apps making your life better? You're feeling
more refreshed because you're tracking your sleep or are you
stressing out because you're finding out that your deep sleep's
too small?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Exactly? I think that's a bit of me. But that
is after two o'clock and right now, let's have a
chat about the foreign by bands and New Zealand First
leader Winston Peter's he expects an announcement soon clearing the
way potentially for wealthy foreign investors to buy high value
houses in New Zealand, but he still exists. The foreign
buyer buyer is ban, which prevents most foreigners from purchasing
existing residential homes, will remain in place.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yes, I mean the question is should foreigners be allowed
to buy in New Zealand homes if they invest millions here?
Is that something that's an important? Is that a priority
for our country? Is it a win win, as David
Seemol says, And we'll raising the threshold protect Kiwi's from
price pressure. So if it's high, so in a range
that most of us aren't battling it out for prices,
because I think some people would worry rightly that if

(03:45):
a whole lot of people coming and are buying around
the I don't know, nine hundred thousand to one point
two million rock price range and we're competing with even
more people, that might be a problem. But if it's
five million, yeah, or two million, it might be a
different story.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Exactly. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call love to hear your thoughts on this.
Coming up after the break, we are going to break
this down with Glenn Jones. He's the managing director of
New Zealand's other Bees International Reality Reality Realty in Wellington.
So we're going to have a chat to him about
why he thinks it needs a bit of a rethink.
That is coming up. It is ten past one.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Supplementary question why is it called real estate? Is it
because it's real?

Speaker 3 (04:24):
It's a great question.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Why is it called real estate? I'm going to look
into that reality. Yeah, it's a great question. In real
estate agent, it's quite a strange word. These are the
things we need to think about right.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
That is coming up very shortly ten past one.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
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Speaker 5 (04:45):
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Speaker 3 (04:47):
Very good afternoon. So we are talking about the conversations
around the foreign by his band. Consultation is underway with
the New Zealand First and the Coalition government. The other
parties are for any changes and they are expecting to
announce those changes later this week. Joining us now is
Glenn Jones, managing director of Southerbe's International in Wellington. Glenn,

(05:08):
very good afternoon.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
You good afternoon, Matt, Tyler and I'll get to it
very soon.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I was going to tell you why real estate is
called real estate, but we'll get to that after the meeting.
We'll get to the very basic of the situation then.
But what are the current rules about foreign buyers in
New Zealand? Glynn?

Speaker 6 (05:25):
Well, effectively there's a blanket ban. So even if we're
trying to tract significant global investment at the moment, with
what they call the Golden Visa and that sort of
investment of between five and and ten million dollars over
sort of a period of three to five years, even
when those people invest those sums in this country, they're

(05:46):
still unable to buy a residential house here.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Right, And what are the thresholds being considered.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
Well, there's been discussions around sort of I think two
million was what National Compact campaigned on. I think there's
been murmurs from New Zealand first it'd be five million plus.
But those sort of barriers or lines in the sun,
that sort of nonsense. You know, at the moment the
world is vying for the world's best talent in the
world and significant investment. You know, since since COVID GFC

(06:18):
and lots of global crisis since you know, there's competition
galore to get the best people into this country. But
our barrier to entry is, hey, look, we want your money,
but you can't buy a house here now, even if
you put in a say a five million dollar blanket
band across the country. For example, Hey, you know, suber
uber wealthy people can come here for five million plus.
You know, if you look in Wellington region at the moment,

(06:40):
there's only two five million dollar homes available on the market.
So that are in ones of why why wrap and
ones in company. So are we then saying to somebody, hey, look,
if you want to build a business here in Wellington,
for example, you have to you know, commute from Auckland
or Queenstown. I mean it just that's non sensical. And
then that impacts of regions at what level are the

(07:01):
regions going to get hit by that? Because if somebody
wants to start a business in Palmerston North or Timaru,
and it's going to push them to the big cities,
to the urban cities.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
What are the ramifications? Because this is of course the
argument for housing affordability for New Zealand is on a
say two million dollar threshold.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
Look, I mean I think the wholesale ban frankly was
non sensical. But even if you could argue at the
time it was for purpose, it certainly isn't now. I
mean pre twenty eighteen market, when the ban came into force,
only two point seven percent of our homes were being
acquired by foreigners. Now that was in a year I
think was about about a one hundred thousand sales. We're

(07:43):
in a population five million, we have two million and
fifty thousand households and two thousand and six hundred are
there thereabouts in one year went to foreigners, and that
catapulted this ban in place. Now I can think of
some other drivers that were far more significant to inflating
our house price at the time. And foreign buyers coming

(08:04):
in here, you know we're not one of them. Now,
I mean, you can adopt the billanced approach. Yeah, I
don't think it needs to be binary. You know, foreigners
can buy here or they can't buy here. That there's
something in the middle where where everyone wins. You know,
you put you put a stamp duty on acquisitions at
fifteen percent for example, and to discourage speculation. If they

(08:26):
buy a second house or third house, that goes to
thirty and sixty percent respectively. You know that that stuff
can go straight back into social housing, healthcare, infrastructure, et cetera.
And how about for capital gains tax? You know, just
put a blanket flat forty percent tax on the uplift
of when they sell. So they bought for one million
you know today and sold you know five years hence

(08:47):
at one point four million. You know, that's one hundred
and sixty thousand back into the government coffers. And I
also understand some politicians have been arguing that we'll hold on.
You know, the big bad foreigners are going to come
over here, they go buy up in New Zealand and then disappear,
and we're going to have ghost towns or ghost villages. Look,
there's solutions to every problem.

Speaker 7 (09:03):
You know.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
You can put a vacancy tax on and indeed in
Victoria and Australia they have something similar called the absent
tee owner surcharge, which deters ghost towns and generates local funding. Here,
you could say to local councils, of homes that are
owned by foreigners are vacant for more than six months
a year, you charge in commercial council tax rates. You know,

(09:27):
that's two point five times high in Auckland and three
point seven times high in Wellington. That then puts the
owners on local councils to ensure.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, but doesn't it make sense though, Glenn that I
hear what you're saying that it made no sense to
you when it was implemented in the first place, and
arguably a lot of that was a political move that
it was popular at the time. But is there not
still the argument at the first first home buyer market
that when people young New Zealanders are trying to get
into the home and they're getting help from mum and dad,

(09:56):
and there is always that argument that you create more
competition by allowing people who do not live in this
country to purchase those homes as well. I mean, on
an optic side of things, you can see why it
was so popular at the time.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
No, no, hundred percent. Look, I think there should be conditions.
I don't think you know, any Joe blogs from across
the world we could just come here, buy a house here.
You know, they'll have to have relative visas.

Speaker 8 (10:19):
You know.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
I think if you came in on a student visa
or any form of work visa, I think you should
be alowd to buy here. I mean, for example, we
had a couple from the US walk through a house
of about one point two million about five six weeks ago.
They were here on a six month fixed term visa
with the option of renewing.

Speaker 8 (10:36):
That.

Speaker 6 (10:37):
You know, they were unable to buy that. You know,
it's nonsensical that they that they couldn't. And the other
thing is, I think, you know that the Golden Visa,
I think that's great. You know, five to ten million
over three to five years. I think straight away they
should be allowed to buy at any price point. But
I think more than that, i'd bring that investment criteria

(10:57):
down to you one or two million. But back to
sort of skilled workers. You know, we've got a whole
at the moment, haven't we. We We've got a very
sizable skill shortagement. We need healthcare, social services, I education,
teaching for example. We want these to attract these people.
But we're saying, hey, what you get here, you can't
buy a house. I mean again, it seems sort of countertuitive.

(11:19):
I think last year we had a net loss of
thirty thousand people to Australia. On one hand, we don't
want them to leave. On the other, our doors are
all but close to the very people who who we
need to help grow our country. And look, let's be honest,
our economy is on its knees. Any little, any little
bit of relief at the moment would be beneficial to
all of us and have a sort of a domino

(11:40):
effective apostle outcomes across the country.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Could you see the advantage of a CAP. But you
have the Overseas Investment Act Act being strategic, so you know,
if you've got some if we've got some people that
we really need and there's a really good cause for it,
it'll mean that that a head office will move to
New Zealand and they've got a bunch of people that
need to bring in, then we strategically go, well, we'll

(12:05):
sell to these people at any price because it's great
for the country. Do you think that you could see
a situation where the Overseas Investment and could be that dynamic.
Look again, it.

Speaker 6 (12:15):
Comes about how agile we we are. You know, if
we can make quick decisions quick then look by all means,
But if I mean historically the iiO process, yeah, well
historically I think I approached when it first came in
about five six years ago. You know, some of these
visas were taking between sort of nine and eight months
to process. You know, we're in competition the world over.

(12:39):
You know, somebody's going to bite off their arm.

Speaker 9 (12:40):
You know.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
I think it's well publicized that, you know, in various
things that went on on the USA last year, that
a significant quantity of people were googling how do I
move to X country?

Speaker 10 (12:53):
Now?

Speaker 6 (12:53):
If they have to sit in line and wait six
twelve eighty months to get to our country, they're going
to go somewhere else yet.

Speaker 8 (12:58):
So there's a.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
Plethora of people highly skilled. You went to United Kingdom,
went to Spain, went to Canada at ol and we
would have lost out. Yeah, it just seems a little
bit Yeah, can't insure it.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Glenn, really great to get your expertise on this. Thanks
very much for joining us.

Speaker 6 (13:16):
Really thanks your time.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
That is Glenn Jones, Managing director of Sotheby's International in Wellington.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
And to answer the question that I was going to
that I postulated before the break. The word real has
its origins in the Latin word res, meaning thing or matter.
In the legal context, it comes to signify a moveable
property right and a state. The word a state traces
back to the Latin words status, meaning condition or standing.
So in medieval times in England it evolved to denote

(13:44):
a person's positional standing when it came to ownership. So
by the sixteen hundreds of term real estate was being
used in England to describe land and buildings on it,
emphasizing its tangible, immovable nature and its connection to ownership.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
I love that stuff. Yeah, there's good. And I promise
I'll say it properly if I have to utter that
word again.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Right, So this text has said, are you stupid? Everyone
knows its origins? That's really to people. Really, are you
guys naturally thick? Everyone knows why it's called real estate?
You know anyway? Really, really, this person was just walking
around being the Roman the Latin origins of real estate?

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Were they yahn?

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Were you?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (14:24):
Mark? Oh?

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?
Do you think some changes need to be made to
the foreign buyer band? It is twenty three pars one.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Putting the time questions to the news speakers the make
Asking Breakfast.

Speaker 11 (14:36):
We've got the much anticipated Homelessness and Science report, Chris Bishops,
the Housing Ministry.

Speaker 12 (14:41):
We know that we have a problem with rough sleeping.
But you're dealing with people with often quite complex challenges.
Sometimes they've got mental health challenges, addiction challenges, trauma.

Speaker 11 (14:49):
The opposition is going to milk this and they're going
to go you went hard on emergency housing, you went
hard on state housing, and look what happens.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
People end up in cars.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
This is on you lot of.

Speaker 12 (14:57):
Emergency housing with the arts, and I've got it to
you like this. Between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty three,
the government's spent one point four billion dollars housing people
in motels. We've pumped billions and billions of dollars into
com or and other pre and homelessness increased.

Speaker 13 (15:09):
So money is not necessarily the answer.

Speaker 11 (15:11):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Maybe's Real Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Very good afternoon to here. It's twenty five past one
and we're talking about the foreign buyer ban. Consultation is
underway within the coalition government about any changes in Prime
Minister Christopher Luxon has hed. Conversations are ongoing about allowing
foreigners to purchase property here once again and reducing those barriers.
So keen to get your thoughts on that, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

(15:39):
We're getting plenty of texts coming through on nine to
ninety two.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
This guy wants New Zealander to have unaffordable housing by
bringing in more overseas buyers to replace those New Zealanders
leaving because there was no hope of buying already over
priced houses.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, it's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
The current speaker thinks we have skill shortages, yet many
of us very skilled can't find jobs. New Zealand's economy
is in the tank right now, particularly in it. Yeah,
I mean, I guess there's definitely we definitely need more doctors, teachers, nurses.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Right, absolutely. Yeah. And to Glenn Jones's argument from souther
B's and granted he's in the real estate game, but
that idea of the Golden Visa, when you allow people
to come in on the Golden Visa with the promise
that they're bringing in so many millions of dollars, to
then not allow them to buy property At the same time,
I do agree that that does feel a bit paradoxical.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Paradoxical talk about invested interest by Glenn and allowing foreign
nationals to buy brobb here as we aren't allowed to
buy property and a lot of those countries that foreign
buyers would come from, and what universe should we let
and them come in anyway? But I mean, don't we
want incredibly successful people to come to New Zealand and

(16:54):
run businesses and be successful here and make us.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
More successful attracting investment.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Don't we need that?

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, we certainly do need.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
I mean there's a level that we don't need it,
but there is I would say there's a level we
do need it. Glenn, this is a this is a
different Glenn, but welcome to the show. Glenn. Your thoughts
on this?

Speaker 14 (17:13):
Yeah, well I think there should be no there's no rentals,
so you've got these or there's a shortage, so you've
got people coming over to fall the workspaces that we're
trying to fall and then and that they got no
where to love and if they can afford to buy
a house, well why not let them. It doesn't matter
what visa they're on. If they can afford to buy

(17:35):
a house, leapons, at the end of the day, they've
got to move out, they've got to sell it.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, but you don't worry that that will price. You know,
New Zealander is out of the market that are already
here struggling to get into a house.

Speaker 14 (17:49):
No, well they just need to work harder and safe harder.
Thinks twenty years ago.

Speaker 15 (17:52):
I had nothing and I worked hard, worked hard, gave
up alcohol, gave up everything and worked hard, and I'm
now I'm mortgatary only my own house. Yeah, I'm in
the middle of nowhere, down white home, down the case.
I own a my own house. I'm working hard on
at work right now, So excuse me if I have

(18:13):
to cut short. But yeah, you know, just head down,
bum up, work and save. You know, you can't go
and party and do all this stuff and then cry
to mommy and daddy to pay you morbage or to
give you a loan. What because what person could you
afford to give your kids a loan to for a
deposit to buy a house. You know, like, if your
kids were eighteen to twenty and wanting to buy a house,

(18:35):
who's got one hundred grand spare sitting on the bank
or two hundred grand spare sitting in the bank that
they can give away? You need that for when you retire,
because you only get three hundred and fifty four hundred
dollars a week on the tension. Well, who can live
on that?

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, so you need.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Get rid of it all together, bring them in and
there should be no foreign buyer band. We need the money,
we need the investment, we need wealthy individuals all together.

Speaker 14 (19:01):
But it's more like, if you know, if you just
excuse them, not being pit just but just I'm using
a country for an example. If you don't try enough,
I said, I'm not I'm not singing at them as
justin genial name of the country. And you want to
buy and buy rentals and New Zealand, well know, I'm
more meaning if you're coming here on a work pleaser

(19:23):
or whatever to work, but you've got to you know,
and you've got enough money to buy a house like
that real estate. While we was saying, yeah, you madeish
people that are looking at buying a place that they
couldn't why not.

Speaker 15 (19:37):
Yeah, have a thing that if they're not going to
live here penanently, you can't people at a rental, you've
got to sell it.

Speaker 14 (19:45):
You can put things on like that.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Excuse me, where are you working? Glynn?

Speaker 14 (19:50):
I sort of reach arm mow and back mow all
the country roads.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
So what are we hearing in the background? There is
that a lawnmar.

Speaker 15 (19:59):
Tractor?

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Great New Zealander.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I'm always curious what's going on in the background. Good
on you for getting your place in You're great New
Zealand thinks you cool?

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love to hear your thoughts about changes to
the foreign buyer ban. Doesn't make sense to get rid
of it all together? Or should there be a camp
If you've got two three four million dollars and you
bring it into the country, well.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
The status says here, how many keys are in the
market for a five million dollar house? Very few? In fact,
I think there was only two houses over five million
dollars on the market in Wellington as of right now.
So that the argument for that, though is if you
make it over five million dollars, then what are people
going to do? They're only buying houses in Auckland, a
very few houses in Auckland, and a very few houses

(20:45):
and a lot of houses in Queenstown. Yeah yeah, so
and that might not be where we want people to
be moving.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
We may we may may not say. They might unintended
consequences unless they're so desperate to come to New Zealand
that they pay five million dollars for a two million
dollar house.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Maybe I wait, hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Love your thoughts on this. Should we make
some changes to the foreign buyer ban let them in?
Do we need that investments? Or is it good the
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Speaker 3 (22:35):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. We are talking about the
foreign buyer band. There is consultation underway to make some
tweaks or changes too that particular policy that came into
effect in twenty eighteen. It's expected later this the year.
So can you get your thoughts should it change and
if it should change, what should be the cap, What
should the cat be in terms of the price of
the houses that we sell to foreign.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Ess or should there be other conditions on foreign buyers
such as this. Graham suggests foreign buyers should have to
build new houses, leaving the existing stock for locals to purchase.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Not a bad idea. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's
fishocks in it, but just on the surface level, because
that creates more stock.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
So do they have to build a new house or
they have to buy a house that's been recently built?

Speaker 5 (23:20):
You know?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, so it's be the
first owner of a house.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
I mean that's a good point. That's the fishock, right,
is that if the house, you know, like a Gj's,
they've got the what do they call them, the two
key homes? Yeah, I suppose that would qualify. But that's
a home that's already been built and waiting for somebody
to buy it.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah. But I mean so you just would that include
bowling another house and then building a new house would
have to be a strictly new house.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
There's the fishocks I'm talking about. Yeah. Oh eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighties and.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Number to call, Dee, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts
on this?

Speaker 8 (23:52):
Okay?

Speaker 16 (23:53):
Well, the immigrants in these the three levels of quick
entry into New Zealand, which is I think it's three
hundred thousand a million, and I think it's ten million
for getting the Golden visa or whatever fast the citizenship.
Are you going to put your money in a bank
at two percent return or you're going to put in

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property which is a nine percent or two You want
the money to come into the country, they've got to
come in at a certain with a certain amount of money,
which they've obviously had to pay tax on and de
paer and as they're coming across the border, they're going
to want to put it into something that they can
sell later on and gain a return on. The problem

(24:34):
was that is what you leaned out with. Is what
happened back in the eighties and nineties, down and the like,
the how and what have you were really accelerated the
price of house. The house price increase because there are
so many people in the market trying to buy as
a game stock. That last call is suggested that they
have to build or buy brand new a house. That

(24:57):
makes sense, that would be a way around it. But
if you want people to can bring money into the
country and invest in the country, especially on that it
is basically instantaneous. You're welcome to New Zealand. Yeah, the
Golden eder they go on miss into something and there's
no way you're going to put it in the bank.
It's bugger will return or run the risk of running

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it on the stock exchange.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's interesting thing. Statistics always will always mess things up,
don't they when you look into them a little bit.
So if you say two point seven as you know,
call it from Suisby said two point seven percent of
the market at the peak was foreign bias. But it's
all focused in one area, isn't it. That's what happens,
So that two point seven percent is focused in central
Auckland or in sid Into you know, eastern Auckland in

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that case. So it's it's not as simple as two
point seven percent across the country because not a whole
lot of people are going sadly to live in you
know my second home city of and Vericago.

Speaker 16 (25:53):
Well that way, that's way Wonka, Queenstown or all of
those areas. Their price health prices are so damned high.
It is because of foreign investments. The people coming over
here by the holiday back and then all of the
stock has gone. So if they have to build you
or buying you by bringing you off the box because

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on their way in the border within six weeks or
whatever they have commenced that that does make a little
bit of sense because you're not going to see people
come to New Zealand and invest then put it in
the bank, put the money in the said they have
to bring in.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, no, good call, Steve. And just to your point, mat,
I've just looked up those figures and your bang on.
So when this came into effect in twenty eighteen in
Auckland purchases, foreign purchases in places like Wadamater fell from
twenty two percent of the market to around six percent
of sales. In Queenstown it saw that percentage full from
nine point seven percent that was foreign buyers down to

(26:47):
two point eight percent. So that's where it's hitting. Overall.
You're quite right, it fell from two point three percent
to just zero point five percent, but in those hot
spots it had a massive impact. Steve. Thank you very
much for your thoughts. Really appreciate it. I bought Steve,
that's for enough. I bought a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, I think, well, I think what you did there
was not put a question mark on the end. Yeah yeah,
I think I just stright effect and was waiting for
some compliments coming my way and your machine guns them
the facts. Steve he fell over. Yeah, yeah, we lost him.
Sorry about that, Steve, but thank you very much for
your call. Right, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Now.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
I've got a question for you, Matt, and for everybody listening.
What was the most expensive house sold in New Zealand ever?
In terms of dollar price?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
The most expensive house, yep, ever sold in New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yep, what did itself for?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
I'm going to say twenty three and a half million?

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Okay, off, all right if you think you know? Nine
two nine two? How much did the most expensive house
in New Zealand sell for? We will be back very
shortly with more of your calls. It is twenty to two.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you is your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
That'd be very good afternoon. We're talking about the Foreign
Buyer Band consultation underway to make some changes to that police.
It's expected later this year. Now, before the break, I
did ask the question how much did the most expensive
house in New Zealand sell for? And plenty of guesses
coming through.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Ok here we go here sixty seven million. This person
says forty seven million. Someone says fifteen million. You're dreaming
fifteen million. We're not that rubbish country. Forty five millions.
So many texts coming through. I said twenty three million.
Someone says thirty eight million.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Pretty close, pretty close. So the most expensive house ever
sold in New Zealand. It's called the chan Tesla and
it's in Queenstown, a nineteen hectare, a beautiful luxury home
along with a heck of a lot of land, and
it was sold for forty five million dollars.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Was that a foreign buyer?

Speaker 3 (28:52):
It was a foreign buyer, an Australian multi millionaire. And
he did say at the time of the purchase, which
was in twenty twenty three, that he's going to use
some of that nineteen hectares for a housing development.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Ah right, and so but that wasn't a new build,
was it? So someone else had built it and lived
in it. He's not the first person in it.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
No, No, he didn't build it.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
How much is the Coatsville mentioned? The kim dot com
mentioned that I think is currently has it currently lived
in with the what's it's the family?

Speaker 3 (29:21):
It is Yeah, So the Coatsville mentioned in Auckland was
last sold for thirty two zero point five million dollars
in June twenty sixteen, but currently so if it was
last sold in twenty sixteen, and this is an up
to date story, so siblings Anna Matt and Nick Mowbray
in twenty sixteen and a secret deal broken by Barford

(29:42):
and Topson purchased that property.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Right because Kim dot Com was just renting it.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I believe he was.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, because wasn't it normally the Criscos mentioned, wasn't it?
It wasn't that one built around? I Mean, we're just
were way off topic here, but I think that one
looks like it's generally been in New Zealand owned uber purchase,
isn't it?

Speaker 7 (29:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Because I think it was Crisco's money that built it originally.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
That's right. Yeah, beautiful mention that one, but very good. Right.
We are taking your calls on the foreign by a band,
should there be changes O E. One hundred and eighty ten.

Speaker 17 (30:08):
Welcome to show John your thoughts on this, John Johnny
Johnny Hey, John John Boy.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Oh, Johnny, Johnny Johnny.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
I'm going to go to Chris good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
How are you going, Chris?

Speaker 13 (30:29):
Look, look, I welcome everybody to buy a house when
they want them, but I disagree with everybody coming off
the boat and plane buying up all our houses, okay
for investment purposes. No, I don't think that's fair. I
think if you're gonna live in it, live in it,

(30:50):
and if you're gonna rent it, and you know, do
all that great. But the reason why I say no
is because when they come here, they buy a house
and then they turf back to the country and they
and they and they don't live in it, and that
leaves a lot of houses out of stock for anyone

(31:13):
who really wanted a home.

Speaker 10 (31:15):
And and I think the.

Speaker 13 (31:17):
Foreign by ben should just stay how it is, because uh,
it's it just doesn't sound right, you know, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Well, what what if there was a rule, a ghost
house rule kind of situation where you.

Speaker 13 (31:33):
Sed to both around there's lots for those around, there's
heaps of houses for that other empty round Auckland. If
you go sayt hell he is, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
But what if there was a what if there was
a tax on the house being empty, if the if
the house was empty for more than six months, you
start taxing them at quite an quite a quite a
high rate.

Speaker 13 (31:54):
I think they had something in place they were thinking
about that, about getting a tax in place or some
kind of you know, because of people then banking them
and stuff. But yep, I think that would be okay.
But yeah, I'm what I'm talking about is more people
that's buying the house, not living in it.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
And yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Definitely want people to be committing to the country. Don't
if we possibly can. But do you think do you
think foreign investment into New Zealand is an important thing
that we need it?

Speaker 18 (32:24):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (32:25):
And our in our commercial sector yes, and bringing jobs
but not not houses and and the other thing.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
But if you say you've got a major company, let's
just make up a company and a huge tech company
they want to move to New Zealand and they want
they need a lot of their executives here. So their
executives if they want to they want to be part
of New Zealand and they want to build up this
company based in New Zealand, then their executives are going
to have to be able to buy houses or they're
not going to want to move here. And then the
whole company is not going to want to move here.
If you know what I'm saying, Well.

Speaker 13 (32:55):
That's that's fair enough. If they're going to move here
and bring business to New Zealand and jobs. Yes, I agree, yep,
my yes, south the house. But I'm more directly at
the people that come here, buy a house and then
fly back to their country, because I mean, I couldn't
go over another country like you know, I won't say,

(33:15):
but and buy a house overnight, you know, and then
leave there and come back. So I think there is fair.

Speaker 8 (33:25):
It should be.

Speaker 13 (33:25):
Looked at in that way because it's got a benefit.
You either live here or you don't.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
So essentially what you're saying now, if we could get
the capacity that we could investigate claims strategically for people
that want to move here, and you know, the Overseas
Investment Office could could look at people and go, well,
this is great, this person's going to stay for a while.
They're a benefit for the country. Then then we bring

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them in rather than it being just a blanket. Number
three shold say two million dollars. Each person that comes
in is assessed on their merits and they move forward.
I guess the only problem with would you think that
was a good idea.

Speaker 13 (34:04):
Chris, Yes and no, But I guess that you have
to look at it. Where how many houses do they
want and where where? You know, look like I said,
I work from anyone to buy a house, but I
think it just comes down to, you know, if you're

(34:27):
going to buy a house, live in it, put your
family in it. But if you're just coming here and
you just want to leave it there and not do
anything with it, what's use of buying a house in
the first place.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, Chris, thank you very much. And a lot of people, yeah,
think you go, well, have a good afternoon. So a
lot of people would agree with what Chris is saying.
But the idea of ghost homes, I mean, there's a
lot of loopholes around. And I just use this example
because I know it existed when they had the grant
for the first home buyers. One of the conditions was
that you lived in the house for a year, and
that was very easy to get around. You just send

(34:59):
your mail to that particular property and buy all accounts
that you do live in the home. But there was
certainly ways around there. And same with ghost houses. You know,
it's very difficult to implement to say you have to
live in this house. For so many times they'll just
get a po box and get male sent there and
by all accounts, according to the government box, they are
living in that house. Very you got to have. You
can't have someone going around knocking.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
On doors and you just go, look that's my batch,
that's my Central Auckland batch.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah. Yeah, very difficult to try and enforce that.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
It's interesting though, because you know, I went for a
run recently around Arrowtown area. Yep, beautiful and I a big,
wide ranging fifteen k run I went on and I
was running past so many empty houses, beautiful houses because
they're owned by people that only come in for a small,
small part of the year.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah, the holiday homes.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, holiday homes. And yet it's very hard for someone
that's working in Queenstown to get a house or that
whole Lake District area. But it's like it's quite eerie
you're running around and just this whole sort of area
where there's no one living. Yeah, but they're absolutely beautiful.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
It's complicated, that's for sure. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is nine
to two. But can you get your thoughts on the
foreign by Band. Should there be changes? If there should
be changes, what should those be? Can you get your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons news Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Very good afternoon. We have been talking about the Foreign
by band.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
So use A lot of people are saying that the
Jason Statham house sold for fifty million. I'm starting I'm
remembering that. So what did you say that the top.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Was forty five million dollars?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Didn't we have a story we were talking about Jason Statham.
That is not his house, but where he was staying,
Jason Statham. It was a it was a it was
a one roof story. So here we go fifty six
million dollars.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Well, this is a one roof story as well. Inside
New Zealand's ten most expensive homes. Who bought, who sold
and who did the deals? Now? Correct me if I'm wrong.
But the Jason Statham article that was suspected it was
fifty six million dollars, but it wasn't. It was made private?
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Jason Statham's Kiwi crib snapped up in fifty six million
dollar mentioned deal. Tyler Well Statham stayed in the luxury
waterfront home mother and for Megan two thousand and six.
This this is ridiculous. I mean, the fact that Jason
Statham stayed in it is not the big point.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Not much of a sealing point.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
All right, great man, that Jason stathum is.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah, all right, let's say fifty six million. Then whoever
takes that through. You're right, it's a very nice place.
It is a beautiful home.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
If I had a speare fifty six million rattling round
in my back, poppet, I might buy the Stathan mention.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Oh one hundred eighteen eighties number to call? Gurrett?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Am I getting your name right?

Speaker 8 (37:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (37:42):
How are yes?

Speaker 1 (37:43):
You have?

Speaker 7 (37:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (37:44):
I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 8 (37:45):
Thanks.

Speaker 10 (37:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (37:47):
The reason why I want to talk to you is
I came to New Zealand in nineteen eighty and I
just want to share my frustration about this whole foreign
investment business. When I came to New Zealand in nineteen eighty,
every man and his dog had his own house and
his own quarter acre, right, And then the foreign investments

(38:09):
came in and all all houses were sold as an investment.
Like I met one American guy from New York. He
had bought forty houses.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, and I said.

Speaker 19 (38:22):
To them, why did you do this? You're taking away
the houses off our working class people. We can't afford
it if we can't afford to buy a house anymore, if.

Speaker 10 (38:31):
You do that, so that makes me happy? Well yeah,
okay happy, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, no, it's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Gud.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Thank you very much for your phone call. And I
think a lot of people would feel the way that
you're feeling. I one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. We're going to carry this on
after two o'clock. We've got so many people who want
to have a chat about this. If you want to
see the text. Nine to nine two is the number.
New Sport and Weather on its way. Fantastic to have
your company as always. But oh eight, one hundred and

(39:01):
eighty ten to eighty is the number to call the
Foreign buyer band. Should it be changed? Winston Peters says
there is consultation afoot making some changes to that. Should
it be done away with all together? Or does it
make sense? Get on the phonees Oh wait, one hundred
and eighteen eighty. It is three minutes to two News
coming up. You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Very good
afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
It'd be afternoons to you. Welcome back into the program.
So we're going to carry on the discussion about the
foreign buyer band for a little bit long. Had so
many texts come through about where the changes are needed.
Consultation is underway within New Zealand first to look at
changing that foreign buyer band that they bought in in
twenty eighteen, and the Prime Minister he has said those
conversations are ongoing and they expect to make an announcements

(39:54):
later this year.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I've got a question for you. If you buy a
fifty six million dollar house like this Jason Statham House
in Auckland, right yep. When I say Jason Stathan, we're
talking about it before he lived in the house when
he was shooting the meg it was never his house.
Do you get a mortgage on that a mortgage on
a fifty six million dollar house, or do you only
buy the fifty six million dollar house if you've got
the money in the bank.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
It's a great quishture. I mean, what's the down payments?

Speaker 2 (40:16):
And if I if I had enough money to buy
a down payment, like just pay fifty six million dollars
for a house, right, Yeah, it would it make you
that much happy to have a fifty six million dollar
house over as say twenty million dollar house, like, because
potentially what would make you really happy is you buy
a twenty million dollar house and you spend thirty six
million dollars buying thirty six other people houses.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, it's a good point just just.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
To be or you know, scholarships or such.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
I mean, how many rooms do you really need? The
people that buy mansions and it's just you know, a
billionaire and his wife and the kids have flowing the coup,
but they've got twenty three bedrooms and fifteen bathrooms. What
a mess of hassel.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
I've got a few friends that have mass of houses. Yeah,
and they just seem to be rattling around to them.
They end up just sort of setting up little little
sort of camp sites where they hang out. Yeah, no,
little kitchen kitchen areas.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
It's the Yeah, I mean it's too much space, isn't it.
Too much space. I was just trying to get.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
To a hydroslide and they're sure, go for it. Or
bowling bowling l A, I get that. Cricket nets, let's
go indoor cricket nets, huge indoor pool, as long as
you're using it for fun stuff. You know, A you know,
a full virtual golf setup, let's go.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
I tried to put how much a mortgage or the
repayments would be if you took a fifty six million
dollar mortgage, and unfortunately the calculator only goes up to
five million, So I don't know. I suppose I can
times that by ten.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
To jet with your bank I've got I'm scratching up
to a ten percent deposit.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah, so even if you bought borrow five million dollars,
that's twenty seven thousand dollars a month that you'd be
paying the bank.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Guys. I am an English second language teacher in a
private school, so many of my students are being looked
after by the grandparents. The parents bring the children to
New Zealand and enroll them in school, then they return
to the country and the grandparents take over. In many countries,
the grandparents do bring up the children while the parents work,
so it's a cultural cultural difference. But often I find
one second just and a one hundred texts came in

(42:11):
scrolling down to the end of it. Sorry, unprofessional of me.
In many countries the grandparents do bring up the children
while the parents work, so it's a cultural difference. But
often I find the grandparents speak little English and are
so and as such are very shy. They barely leave
the house, so it could be their living there, but
not just seen at all. I see. Yeah, So the
point is that you might be going past saying that's
a ghost house, or you've got us a couple of

(42:32):
terrified grandparents in there that they want to leave. Yeah,
I don't know if that's a good situation for hiding
in the upstairs bedroom. Poor Thanks Tom, How are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (42:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (42:43):
Good gens.

Speaker 13 (42:45):
Yeah, I was the foreign buyer.

Speaker 20 (42:47):
Bend no get rid of it because you know who
brought it in, don't you?

Speaker 3 (42:52):
New Zealand fest and.

Speaker 20 (42:56):
Who were they go? I think you hit the nail
on the head. You're running, Well, we can, but that's
that's a I'd rather under pretty much all things that
they brought an except the plastic bag one they can keep.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
That bag band.

Speaker 20 (43:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll survive.

Speaker 16 (43:18):
But yeah, I think.

Speaker 20 (43:22):
It's it's socialism.

Speaker 14 (43:23):
I don't care.

Speaker 20 (43:24):
I don't live in a big home, big house, three bedroom,
that's enough. But if someone can afford it, and they
pay the gardeners, and they pay for plumbers and pay
for people to paint it once they finish it, well,
and I'm all for it because that's more employment. I
think it's just small mindedness.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Would that include us right down to a five hundred
thousand dollars shoe box apartment?

Speaker 20 (43:48):
Tom h five hundred thousand dollars, Now, you'd have to
go a bit big. I think I couldn't tell you
because I'm in the real estate game and I've never
looked at apartments. But yeah, I think that's I think
it's small minded. We need more of these people around us.
So I look at us as parasites, and you're going
to try and live off them, and you don't want

(44:09):
to have a bell of car from the shotgun to
try and get it off them. Do it through the
proper means. Yeah, I mean yeah, they'll they'll pay a
lot of they'll play a lot of taxes, so we
need those taxes to keep our social services going that
we all like. So I think we've got to get
over ourselves. And because it pretty much what those guys

(44:31):
brought in, it hasn't panned out too well, has it.
Can we say that, well.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
It hasn't made the difference that they said it was
going to make, that's for sure.

Speaker 20 (44:40):
Vices of homes are still pretty high. They're only down
because so many Kiwis are left for Ossie and for
better jobs. Maybe. I think the Aussie house prices are
pretty high too, sods. Yeah, and I mean you you you.
You get these richies coming in, they may startup businesses
so we get more jobs. I think it's a I

(45:01):
think it's very short sighted. And I think when he
is just finding it hard to digest what he sort
of brought.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
In, I definitely think once Peters is he's softening on this.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yeah absolutely, Tom, thank you m Yeah, yeah, exactly, Good
on you, Tom, Thank you very much. And that is
where we'll leave it. Thank you very much to everyone
who text and phoned on that one, a lot more
people than I thought, saying absolutely it needs to change
or even get rid of it. So we will see
what they decide a little bit later this year when

(45:34):
that is announced. Right, coming up, we want to have
a chat about sleep. How much do you Mike?

Speaker 5 (45:38):
We go?

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Sorry, Tyler's right. Hi, guys, we've just looked up at
a look at a house in Devenport that we like
visiting on holidays apparently recently sold for ten million. Fortnightly
payments that were calculated automatically came in at twenty eight K,
about twenty seven k more than we could afford.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yeah, that's always the crunch, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
I just I just think it's that you would get
a mortgage on something that's fifty six million dollars. There
must be something else going on. If you're getting a
fifty six million dollar house, surely it's there's something else
going on, because you know you're not going to be
paying your mortgage at what are you paying fie hundred
thousand dollars every two weeks on the mortgage?

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yeah, good luck with Why would you scratch.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Up to a fifty six million dollar house?

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Just buy whatever the depositors live in a fifteen million
dollar house. If that's the deposit, you'll still be happy.
Fifteen million dollar home is a nice home. You'll we
mortgage free. Yeah, right, in mortgage at a fifty six
million dollars house. For some reason, I find that very amazing.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Right, coming up, we want to have a chat about sleep.
So how much do you monitor your sleep? The world
of sleep, at says we know, has absolutely gone nuts
over the recent couple of years. Apple Watch, Garman, Whoop,
so many others. In a study last year showed over
thirty five percent of Americans use some sort of sleep device,
and in New Zealand a recent study shows ninety seven
percent of us have issues with sleep. So, really, can

(46:52):
you hear from you on the old sleep ads? Do
you use them? And if you use them, do you
think it's actually eight in your sleep?

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
That's that's the interesting part of it, right, because for
the longest time in our lives, we were told, you know,
get eight out of sleep and then you find ate
our sleep was the key. And you know, we were
talking the other day about malatonin yep and what people
thought about that and malantonin and the Kiwi rail. Well
where did that go with keey rail? They've still being malaton.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, I think Ley's still say no to malotonin.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Anyway, we were told that eight hours sleep was great. However,
you can get it. But once you get on the apps,
and so many people are getting on the apps, and
once you're on the sleeping apps, you know your phone on,
you know you got your phone, you got your watch on,
your smart watch on. Once you get on them, then
you start talking about your sleep, start really concentrating on
you on your sleep. And then you're going, well, I

(47:40):
got seven and a half hours sleep, but only two
hours of irem sleep.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, And then.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
You go, oh, no, I only got thirty minutes of
deep sleep, and suddenly your nickel and diming your sleep yeah,
and you're waking up going oh, oh, I didn't actually
get a good sleep even though I've got seven and
a half hours of it. And so the question is
is that a positive thing, is that you're drilling into
the details of your sleep so you can work on it,
or is that just you believing what you're watch is

(48:08):
telling you to the point where you were, you're hassling
the sleep that you've had.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah, self fulfilling prophecy.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
And should we just go back to if you get
if you get seven and a half eight hours sleep,
have a little party in the morning and get on
with your life. It's probably good.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
love to hear from you on this. Do you use
the sleep monitors and how's it going? It is a
quarter past.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Two your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk zed.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
B, News Talk ZB and we are talking about sleep
apps and monitoring your sleep. If you do it, is
it actually beneficial for you?

Speaker 21 (48:45):
Well?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
You and me were talking about butter in the break, Yeah,
we were with the Hysdaria was continuing in the break.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Nice, well done, well done.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, but what we're talking about on air is sleep.
Hundred eighty ten eighty. Are you wearing a sleep watch
to bed? Are you tracking your sleep? Is it making
you sleep better or is it making it worse? Is
there too much information? Doreen, welcome to the show.

Speaker 18 (49:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 22 (49:09):
My husband he's subsetive about comparing our sleep every morning.
I can't do anything, I can't leave the begros tell me,
tell me what you've got and he'll go deep sleep
and then it will compare it the end of that
light light, he goes, oh, you're cheating, you're meditating that
gives you more sleep. And he's just and he tells
people he's finally found a sport that he enjoyed. Competitive sleeping.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Wow, now, I've never thought of that. So so what
are you doing to win?

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Are you doing more exercise in the day? So are
you more tired?

Speaker 22 (49:42):
I've always been a good sweeter, and yeah, he he
doesn't win very often. And excuse I cheat, or you'll go, no,
that's not right, what is wrong? Or you're doing something?
And I said, well, I never take before a bake up.
Oh that's such. You know, he's just t to find
holes in my sleeping. But yeah, there's interesting.

Speaker 23 (50:04):
A lot of.

Speaker 22 (50:05):
People I know do have a tendency to sort of
experience the day depending on how they swept the day before,
the night before. Yeah, or they won't go to bed
whether you're watch on at night because they're scared of
what's happening to their bodies while you're asleep, or the
electromagnetics or something like that. It's just kind of weird.

(50:27):
I must have been. If I don't get good deep
and rem I do feel a bit off and the
next day I do feel tired or whatever. So there's
obviously a set point from me or everybody where they
get a good amount of balance sleep. And I think
the word is balance is that we need to be
looking at.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah, because you need, you need, so REM is good
for your mind. I understand it's just sorting your thoughts
and such. You mede a bit of REM, but apparently
you also need I'd never heard about this until recently.
Deep sleep, and that's where your muscles grow and the
sort of the physical side of sleeps benefits come in right, So,
and that's hard to get the deep sleepers. It's really

(51:08):
hard to get a good deep sleep score. Are you
getting a decent deep sleep score? Dooring?

Speaker 22 (51:14):
I am now at the moment I go through patches,
But I think it's to do with it's not only
you're exercising, you're eating, what time, what you're eating, but
the temperature of the rooms. I when to time. I
think we're more we hibernate, that we're not like animals hibernates,
but sort of sleeping like a hibernation. We go to
bed earlier, wake up later. So I think that's the

(51:36):
seasonal responses to how you sleep as important as well. Yeah,
it's quite fun.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
I mean, I am one of those weirdosed dooring as.
I used to monitorize sleep, but I gave it up
and I just checked. The last time I monitored it
was December last year, and I gave it up because
I was getting such terrible sleep that I think I
was getting into this pattern where I'm so terrified that
I'm going to get a good night's sleep that I
don't want to know how I'm sleeping. So I just
I gave it up completely.

Speaker 22 (52:05):
I see you quit the sport.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, yeah, I like the idea of that. I was
talking a while ago about the concept of being a
sleep hero, so trying to focus so much in your
sleep because sleep is so incredibly important for your health
that you just make it part of your goals in
life to be just an incredibly good sleeper. And to
that end, you'd get blackout curtains, you make sure it's

(52:27):
a quiet area, as you say, Doreen, you make sure
the temperature is right in your room. I think eighteen
degrees is the right right amount, But there might be
another side that looks like that. You're on Tyler where
you focus so much on your sleep that you're going
to bed with your watch on and you're freaking out
and you're stressed out that you're not getting enough deep sleep,
that you're in the wrong sleep zone, and it ends
up being completely couptain or jew.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
It on p Yeah, but Doreen, I mean, take my
head off to your husband who's obviously become a sleep
champion and is acing it, and hopefully you'll beat them
on a few occasions as well. Thank you, Thanks Doraine.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Sleep Tight sleep type one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. We're getting a lot of
ticks about the old sleep ad. Guys, just bloody sleep
wearing a smart watch, et cetera will only increase your
bloody anxiety.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Yep, I agree.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Hopefully text me back if I read that in the
voice that you intended it text to ending in twenty six. Yeah, guys,
just bloody sleep wearing smart watch eccentual will only increase
your bloody anxiety.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Nicely read. Guys, those sleep apps are b es. Just
go to sleep too much stressing on the daily results
of how you sleep.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, but it's also you know, as Dorian says, it's
sort of a can be a competition thing. But also
so every morning because I was down staying with my
dad Grant, New Zealander down there in Tonedin, and he
was monitoring his sleep and I thought that's interesting, so
we started talking about it. Now every morning I get
up and I text my dad with what my sleep

(53:57):
results were, and then we discussed them. Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
There's competition. Competition is good even for sleep. I wait,
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's
twenty four pasts two? Do you use these sleep acts?
Really keen to hear from you? And if you do,
how is it going?

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news talks.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
I'd be very good afternoon to you. It is twenty
six past when we're talking about sleep ats. Do you
use them? And if you do use them, are they helpful?
Or did you start using them and decide you were
getting too stressed and ditch them all? Eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 18 (54:35):
Susie, Oh, Kyota, this Matt or Tyler.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
It's both Susie, both Matt and Tyler both ah Kyota.

Speaker 18 (54:45):
Yeah, I just wanted to say that, no, get rid
of your get rid of screens all that in your bedroom.
Your bedroom should only be about sixteen to eighteen degrees
and you've got to have a comfortable.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
Bedroom, like.

Speaker 18 (55:03):
Imperative that you've got somewhere comfy, clean and cozy sleep.
The other thing is it depends on your age. Like
when you're when your babies, you need a lot of sleep.
When you're teenagers, you need a lot of sleep. You know,
up until you're about twenty two twenty three, you need

(55:25):
a lot more sleep because you're still growing and your
brain's developing. Then after that the best thing is to
get into a rhythm and sort of do rituals sort
of before you go to bed. So it might be
just turning off your screens two hours before you plan
to go to sleep and just quietly reading or listening

(55:47):
to some nice music or The other thing is what
you eat affects how your sleep. Stuff you're eating hot
and spite the food, Chinese Asian food that ain't going
to help go to sleep.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Do you know?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
So there's there's ways you can get to sleep. Obviously,
all those things you're suggesting, they're fantastic Susie. So you
don't want to know the details of your sleep you
you don't believe that there's a difference between ARI.

Speaker 18 (56:12):
So because I don't believe there's a difference between ARAM
and your sleep patterns. But I think of your concert
focusing on your apps and you're wearing your watches and
you've got yourself so next to your bed and daddy,
daddy do that you ain't going to sleep because you're
stressing out about what that's going to do, Whereas you're

(56:34):
better off just go to sleep when you're tired.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Thanks you for your call, Susie. It was seemed to
be the case for Tyler. But I think personally, if
you find out that you've had seven and a half
hour sleep, right, and then you find out that that
are such a small percentage of it was deep sleep,
and then you realize that that's why you're still tired,
Because when you have the wrong kind of sleep, then
you might be experiencing why am I so tired in

(56:59):
the day, or why am I cognitively not up to
scratch day? And because you haven't had enough rim sleep,
which is good for the cognitive side, and restorative sleep
is the deep sleep, right, yeah, so you might have
been asleep for seven hours, but you've just had this
very surface level sleep. Isn't that interesting information to know?
I chat so you could change your habit.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
But I'm willing to say that I'm a bit of
a widow on this. And maybe I stress out too
much about sleep because I've always been a terrible sleeper.
But I just thought when I in the last time
I checked, it was a sleep quality score of sixty
seven percent. And that's what I've seen day in and
day out. And I don't know for some reason that
when I went to bed and started to try to
get to sleep, I think, Man, I hope I get

(57:40):
to see any today. Hope I actually get a good
night's sleep. And I never did, so I just got
rid of it. But I'm willing to admit that I
might be a bit of a widow on this. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you use the sleep apps. Love to hear
from you haven't made a big difference in your life.
It does for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Absolutely, forget the apps, forget the watches, says this text.
I infuse medical cannabis with olive oil. Sleep like a baby. Now,
plenty of deep and ram sleep too. So I guess
you fuse medical cannabis with olive oil then take it.
You just don't infuse it upstairs and leave it up
the end.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Yeah, yeah, it works for a lot of people though. Sorry. Here,
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Do you use the sleep apps? And are
they helping you?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
And I've got a question for you, yep, how to
dolphins sleep when they're in the water without just drowning?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Great question.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I'm going to say they don't sleep, but if you
think you know, nine two ninety two is the text number.

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Speaker 3 (59:56):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. We are talking about the
use of sleep apps. A heck of a lot of
people have been using those particular apps, whether it's your
Apple watchr Garmen Whoop is going gangbusters overseas as well.
So ort last year shows just over thirty five percent
of Americans use some sort of sleep device and in
New Zealand a study by sleep. He had said, ninety
seven percent of us have issues with sleep, So are

(01:00:19):
you using them? And if you are using them, is
it making a difference? So eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
As a lot of people have texted through dolphins sleep
using I said, how do dolphins sleep? Because I for
you to think about this phages. Don't dolphins just when
they go to sleep rock over and drown up their blowhole?
But no, dolphins do this really weird thing. And it's
not too far from the the hit television show what's

(01:00:44):
it called? Where their body are going into work and
they get their brains are raised and my god, it's
my mind. Anyway, Dolphins sleep using a unique method called
unitheric low wave sleep. So basically what happens is one
half of their brain goes to sleep and the other
half is awake and then they swap over. That is yes,

(01:01:05):
So essentially you've got a situation some scientists believe where
there's two personalities inhabiting inhabiting one dolphins, so one you know,
so you wake up in the in the morning. Have
you got the name of that show?

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
I'm still trying to look for it annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Me that I've forgotten. That's a great show Segregation. No,
someone will tell me on nineteen nineteen. It's a very
very very popular show on Apple TV. But so yeah,
because you wake up and you go, well, where am I?

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I wish we could do that Severance. I just looked
it up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Severance. Yeah, you know, have you seen Severance? No, then
you wouldn't say you wish you could do it, because
you would wake up and you'd go, my body's been
walking around? Why am I here? What have I been
up to? I've got a searing hangover? Did my other
half take me out last night?

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I'm got to give it a watch.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
So yeah, So so the dolphin keeps swimming around, well,
one one half of its brain sleeps.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Clever clogs dolphins. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if you use a sleep app.
I love to hear from you if it's making a difference.
Plenty of texts coming through, But let's go to the
phones Andrew, you're you're tracking yourself.

Speaker 23 (01:02:07):
I go, yeah, so you sighted a study was a
ninety seven percent of people don't get adequate sleep. If
this using my garment and watch is something like it.
They'll tell you you're getting getting insufficient sleep. So I wear
a garment instinct and I've done it for about five
years now, and it's it's really a useful tool, but
not for tracking sleep. It'll one of time tell you

(01:02:28):
you do not sleep well and it just stresses you out,
so ironically attracts your stress levels as well. I can't
see my stress go up when I couldn't get enough sleep,
but a lot of time feeling really good, but it'd
be like your sleep was insufficient. It's i'd say accurate
for treat tracking the times you wake up and go
to sleep, but that's about it. I wouldn't I wouldn't

(01:02:50):
take the information off the watch too seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Yes, So basically, well, I'm not sure exactly what the garment,
but i know for an Apple what it's what it's
tracking on you as temperature, skin, temperature, activity like some motion,
so it seems if you're completely still that you're asleep
over a period of time, and heart rate. So that
I think those are the only three, Am I right?

(01:03:15):
They're Andrew? Those are the only three parameters that they
used and from that and from that they make from
that they make quite a few assumptions, don't they.

Speaker 23 (01:03:26):
Yes, they do. I I would say it's only accurate
by my experience for tracking your wake up and sleeping hours.
Like I used to be a semi professional athlete, and
I took my sleep very seriously, and I could tell
that I would get a full night sleep of solid,
high quality sleep. I'd wake up and it's got this
as also got this function that's got it's called a

(01:03:46):
body battery. So tell you how much energy you've got,
and it would say, I haven't. You haven't had quality
of sleep, and your body battery is only yet forty
eight percent. To go the whole day with forty eight
per body battery and then it get to three o'clock
and it was zero. It's like, am I dad, I'm
still alive.

Speaker 7 (01:04:02):
My body battery is zero.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Yeah, it's so good.

Speaker 23 (01:04:06):
So you're not entirely accurate.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
There goes Yeah. Yeah, Andrew, thank you very much for
giving us a buzz. I mean the garment. I don't
know what the garment measures. But when I was doing
the air boy as you say, the ram and the
deep I think they called it core sleep, and then
the light sleep, so light sleep doesn't. You don't really
get much from the light sleep, right, is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Yeah, you want to spend a certain amount of time
in RAM apparently because rams, when you're dreaming, your eyes
are moving around, and you want to spend a certain
amount of time and deep sleep. I'll just get those
percentages up. There's a wake, which is a type of
non sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
I've heard of awake, yeap heard of awake.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
There's rim, which is not just a band but also
a rapid eye movement dream rich that supports memory and emotion.
Apparently you've got core sleep where your heart rate and
breathing slow, but you're still easy to rouse. And then
there's deep and this stuff's real good. So that's slow
wave sleep tied to physical restoration, hormone release, and immune support.

(01:05:04):
So you need about ten to fifteen percent of your
sleep time out of your what however long you're sleeping
to be deep for the ideal situation. But the reason
why I think that there might be some truth in
this because I was fast asleep having this very weird dream,
and then I woke up in a start because my
partner had banged until she got up early to go
to the gym and she banged into my feet and

(01:05:26):
I woke up. And so when I looked at the app,
it went from me being an ram at that point
to a massive spike to being woken up. Yeah, so
for me, at least on that occasion, it proved that
it knew I was in the dreaming state when I
was woken up, as opposed to the deep state or
the core state.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
And they're only getting better those apps, like eight, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
if you use the sleep app? Is it making a
big difference to your life? Do you like to dive
into that data? And if you see that you've had
a poor night's sleep, do you make do you change
your day to make sure that you're going to get
the best out of being a little bit sleep deprived? Really?
Can you hear from you? Nine two ninety two is
the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
And this person is suggesting that we all drink ourselves
to sleep. Yeah, we'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Good on Hot Toddy, have a chat with the lads
on eighty eighty Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
They'd be very good afternoons you seventeen past three and
we're talking about the use of sleep at so many
people have using them. If you're using them, is it
actually helping you to get a good night's sleep or
to dig down in some of that data anyway, Oh,
one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
So a lot of people are saying that that the
only way to get to sleep is drinking alcohol, smashing
a red wine before bed or a hot tidy. A
lot of people saying I only sleep after a whiskey.
But that that's the interesting thing because because if you've
been drinking, you only get certain types of sleep. You

(01:06:52):
don't ever get into the fully deep and relaxed sleep,
and you don't get very many ari much very ari
in sleep, so you can be asleep for and this
is why people when they've had a night out on
the town, they spend the whole next day really tired.
No matter how dark the curtains are, no how do
they sleep in that, they're still feeling very tired, exhausted,
because because the alcohol stops you getting to the actual

(01:07:12):
sleep that you need to get to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
And there is science that even one drink causes a
bit of a difference to that deep sleep right. I
have heard people talking about that that they measure it
on these apps and they have one beer or one
wine before beard and they can instantly see a difference
when they wake up in the morning. Oh eight, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Yeah. So alcohol reduces your deep sleep, your ram sleep basically,
that's what it does. And because it suppresses the malatonin. Also,
you know, you get a bit of sugar in the system.
So if you have a you know, you have a
few wines before bed, then you get that wide awake
at three am thing, which is awful in my experience.
So even if you knock yourself out cold, even if
you drink so much whiskey that you're completely unconscious for

(01:07:55):
eight hours. Yeah, this is going to shock everyone. And
I say this, it's not a particularly healthy sleep really, yep.
I mean you can always guarantee yourself going to sleep.
If you drink enough whiskey, gin.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Or whatever, you'll be unconscious.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
You'll be unconscious, yeah, yeah, but you might not be
having that beautiful restorative sleep that we all crave. Tony,
Welcome to the show, Tony.

Speaker 10 (01:08:17):
You just touched on something very interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:08:19):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (01:08:20):
Yeah, there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go tony, So, yeah, you just.

Speaker 10 (01:08:24):
Touched on something very interesting. I'm a Type one diabetic.
I use a and I monitor my sugar levels to
know how good my sleep's going to be as well.
But I wear a ring on my finger that does
all the measurements that I need. I don't like wearing
a watch to bed because of the notifications and the
weight on the wrist, so I switched over to using
the biometric rings. I traveled to China last year and

(01:08:48):
looked at a lot of different types that were on
the market, and being a Type one diabetic, I noticed
my sleep is much better when my sugars are lower.
So if I've kept my sugars under control and my
range is between three and seven, I'll sleep a lot
deeper and a lot longer. And when you talk about alcohol,
your insulin takes care of the alcohol first and the

(01:09:09):
sugar later, so it's a longer, a longer stream that
you're going to be pumping into under your body, and
you're going to be too high to actually get that
very deep sleep. I can get up to four hours
of deep sleep if my sugar levels are between three
and seven.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Wow, So you get four hours of deep sleep. That's
a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:09:28):
Yeah, so last night I can read on my thing
at the moment, I got eight hours and five minutes
and four hours and two of that with deep two
hours thirty we're light. The rest was ram and I
woke up once And you're right, it does track those
wake up times very well. Yes, So wear a ring
on your finger rather than a watch around your watch
around your wrist.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
As much better.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
How big are these rings, Tony.

Speaker 10 (01:09:51):
The same size as your wedding ring, right, so they're just.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
A little ring like that. And does it just measure
the same things heartbeat, skin temperature.

Speaker 10 (01:10:00):
Heart beat, but it also does it does heartbeat quality.
That was about the difference between your gap between your heartbeats.

Speaker 20 (01:10:07):
I get sixty.

Speaker 10 (01:10:08):
It beats a minute, but it may be fit up
a and then slow, so it tells heartbeat quality. It
also does two levels and in your blood out oxygen
some of the and there's there's these These are going
to become quite a big part of our livelihoods, particularly
with the cost of them coming down there Aura rings
and things like that, and the Samsung rings are like
six seven nine hundred bucks, so one's coming at the

(01:10:31):
market now which are under too, which are under two
hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
So what is the one that you use? What's the
product you used, don't you?

Speaker 10 (01:10:38):
So it was from Ensians sleep rings. It's an ectory one.
The app is E C T R I and yeah,
it has a screen on it that tells you at
the time and stuff as well. Last for about five
days without charging, but it charges in two hours. It's
a it's a very like. It's not clinical. It's not

(01:10:58):
something that if you want to put a heart wreck.
It gives you patterns. And that's what any of these
don't do. When you talked about the garment, I have
a Garment Epics watch, so I often compare them heart rates,
blood oxygen steps, all the rest of us. So I
compear between the two and it's been comparable with those watches,
which is all we need. We only need an indication

(01:11:18):
as to why we hit shit sleep last night. But
it was, you know, it was my sugar levels were
too high, or I had too much to drink. I
couldn't get to sleep because my Brian brain was racing.
So those types of things you can then look back
and go, I make that better.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Yeah, I mean smart and that's something I can get behind, Tony.
That and easy to say. Maybe that was one of
the reasons why I didn't like using the Apple watches,
because I used it for more than just my health
and sleep. There was you know, notifications, pinging up, all
sorts of other things going on. Whereas the ring, as
you say, and the blood sugar is fascinating, do you
I mean, I'm fascinated to know how it actually gets
that reading.

Speaker 10 (01:11:59):
No, so the ring doesn't have the blood sugar reading
on it because it can't detect into the blood. We're
a seat and pump, but it's it's sucking your blood
and blood sugar overnight.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
No, it's not sucking your blood. You're trying to sleep well.
I think I think that that that wring idea.

Speaker 10 (01:12:17):
No you go, Tony, Yeah, sorry, that was where why
I went to China to try and find technology that
could do both. But one of the things that they
can't do, obviously unless you've actually got tangible blood, is
to actually do an accurate blood sugar level. It can
do it, It can do an assessment of it, but it
can't do an actual and as diabetics, we need the
actual reading. We can't just.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Yeah, yeah, oh, well, thank you so much for your call, Tony.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Hey, guys, I find that I wake up worse after
sleeping pillsy. It's the same sort of effect as alcohol.
So you can knock yourself out, but you don't end
up having the ram sleep, the rapid eye movement sleep,
which is good for your cognitive rest and your consolidating
of ideas and stuff, which which will help you the
next day to think through complex things. And and it
won't help you get the deep sleep, which is restorative

(01:13:05):
for muscles and and you know, and the things you
need physically.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Yeah, yeah, Oh. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you use these sleep apps. Are
they working for you? Are you all in on it?

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two ninety two is the text number as well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Yes, this person says, although you might think you're getting
a good sleep after drinking alcohol, alcohol increases body stress.
That's why you don't get a good sleep and you
feel tired the next day. Ten to three the issues
that affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Be it is eight to three and we're talking about
the use of sleep apps. Do they help you?

Speaker 7 (01:13:44):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty This text to asked us.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Having a bonk before bed help with sleep?

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
I think does for some people.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Yeah, wow, science says it does. Yes, making love before
sleep can potentially help improve sleep quality for some individuals.
Apparently it releases hormones such as prolactin and oxytocin, which
promote relaxation and drowsiness.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Good times, you probably sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Better than if you're How when I put this awake
hoping for that to happen, it's not conducive for the
good sleep that can keep you awake. Vicky, welcome to
the show today.

Speaker 9 (01:14:20):
Maybe I need to do some more of that. But yeah,
that's another story so that you're not a bad thought. Yeah,
I have sleep at in the I was diagnosed over
a year ago, and so I have a sleep ap
and I have very unfortunately have to sleep with a
machae between myself and my husband. But yeah, but that
helps me to get decent sleep, to get that deep sleep.

(01:14:47):
I realized. I went back to the doctor a few
times and let him know that I was just feeling
so tired and just buggered, you know, And I was
sleeping all right, but just really really tired. So you
can think you're having a good sleep but actually wake
up tired. And I actually went to sleep at the
wheel a couple of times. So he went on, what now,

(01:15:08):
we're going to send you in for a sleep study.
And not being really a candidate for not having you know,
a lot of weight around my neck or anything, he said,
I wasn't really a candidate, but he thought because I
was on the other end of my hormones was getting
older and my estrogens left my body, that could be
a reason. So he sent me in for one. And yeah,

(01:15:30):
I came back was sleep at mere which was moderate
up to thirty times an hour my body would wake myself.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Ah, yes, that's a problem.

Speaker 9 (01:15:39):
Yeah, that's so I wasn't getting any of that restless sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Yeah yeah, right.

Speaker 9 (01:15:46):
So yeah, so that and you know a lot of
people don't realize that if they snare, and sometimes you
can snore and wake yourself up, you know, instead of
your body's trying to catch your breath, that that actually
is quite serious because if you don't address it, you
can actually have a heart attack or have a stroke
in your sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Yeah, I mean it is fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
How hand minute you can have a you can have
a heart attack or a stroking your sleep without noticing,
or you can have one what was that? Yeah, right, without.

Speaker 9 (01:16:18):
Noticing, without knowing, because you're actually asleep. Like I'm unconscious
when I'm having these ethneas, I don't know until I
look at my machine the next Yeah. And sometimes I
wake up and I feel really really good, and then
other times I think, oh, but tired. I wonder what
you know, reading was and it's down? But what did
I do the day before? I did it eat late?

(01:16:38):
Or what was that? You know? You know I hadn't
had a bond the night before obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Otherwise, how does the sleep apney machine plan to that
aspect of the relationship, having a big machine between you,
It's not sixy.

Speaker 9 (01:16:54):
I can tell you that I pushed that to the
side and it is more important.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
So yeah, well that's right. Well, I mean, if you've
getten no sleep, then that's not sixy either, is it.

Speaker 9 (01:17:03):
Yeah, No, it's not.

Speaker 24 (01:17:05):
It's not.

Speaker 9 (01:17:06):
You know, you don't usually bond all night, usually got
to sleep some of it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Not anymore anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Yeah, anyway, Hey, thank you so much for your call,
Vicky and all the best with your sleep apnear.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Yeah, thank you very much. I mean it is way
more common than I realized, the old sleep apnear. The
older brother Bro's got one of those dark Vada machines
that he relies on a couple of tecks. To wrap
this up, guys, you have been hoodwinked by your applications.
The original sleeping the idea was to go to sleep
at sunset and get up at sunrise. Always worked in
the past.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Yeah, that damn invention of the electric light bulb really screwed.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Us in it. It certainly is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Let's go back. You can go back if you want. Yeah,
you still get up at some You can just build
a cabin in the woods and go back to the
natural rhythm of things if you want.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Exactly right. Good discussion, Thank you very much. New Sport
and Weather on its way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Sebby Okay Tyler, should we put that sleep topic to bed?

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Oh yeah, I spent the whole outbreak. Yeah, putting that
together on a whiteboard, and you know, I'm pretty happy
without that, WENTZ.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Yeah, yeah, that was very good. That slipped through.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
I could feel laughter across the nation with that. A
well done, mate, A little done.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Yeah, that's why you get paid the big bucks. Right,
this is going to be a fantastic chair really looking
forward to this. What are the things that you need
to take off as a parent before your children are
set up for life?

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Yeah, that's right. So when you become a parent, right,
you got you got to bring up your cat until
they leave home. And that's your job, really is making
them competent for the world. That's your main job, right yea,
making them so that they can go out and be
an adult and be a productive member of society, happy
and successful, and then go on to bring up kids
and those kids be successful as well, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Right, yeah, cycle kid.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
So today I took my son to his practical driving test, right,
And can I just say that I've been a bit
hard on the driving test New Zealand on the show,
And I'm going to walk back some of some of
my comments because VT and Z took my son and
the driving tester was just such a great human being

(01:19:20):
and was very very generous and supportive towards my son
and then passed him, which helps. But you know, I'd
spend a lot of time training him to drive, you know,
and and I put a lot of effort in. So
I was so proud of my son when he passed
because I said to him, like, these people they fail
nearly everyone. They love to fail, these these driving testers,

(01:19:41):
they love to fail, so you'll probably fail. I was
running this line on him that, you know, I thought
maybe that would calm him down rather than thinking that
it was such high high stakes. And I said that,
you know, a lot of people fail. But anyway, he passed,
and I felt so proud because I trained him to
drive and he passed. And then as we were driving back,
and I thought, what a good good boy, this, this
the son of mine is What a top top bloke

(01:20:04):
he is, But also what a great driving teacher I am.
And then I was looking through I was thinking, he's
moved out of home now because he's in a university hostel.
And I was thinking, what have I done? Have I've
done everything? Have I perfected parenting? Have I done everything
I needed to do? And then I sort of started
in my hair doing a checklist. He had some problems
with the teeth, so I got embraces. Yep, I did that.
I spent hours and hours and days and months and

(01:20:28):
years coaching his sports teams and sitting on sidelines and
supporting them on that and providing everything he needed to sport.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
And you're a good dad.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
I've put him through school. I've had a roof over
his head.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Good, good nutrition. And I was thinking, what else is
he supposed to do? When before you can tick off
and say that I have done everything that I need
to do or that I should do, not need to do,
because it's an absolute pleasure to bring your kids up
that I need to do to have successfully parented a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
That is one of the final ones, though, Wasn't it
the driving, Because then that gives him his freedom that
he can travel and go around and pick up his
mates and do all that sort of stuff. That is
a mass of milestone as a parent to get your
kid to that point where are now mobile and they
can go with if they want in a car, and
they've got that part of their life sorted.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
But I've already failed a couple of things because this
Texas says you're a successful parent when your child can
do the washing iron a short shirt, cook a meal,
and sew a button on a shirt. My son, definitely,
it's an absolute disaster when he tries to do the
washing iron a shirt. I don't know he's a good coat,
but saw a button on a shirt.

Speaker 20 (01:21:29):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
I think when it comes to cooking and laundry, you
don't really nail that stuff until you about your mid twenties.
But I got to say, the one thing that mum
taught me actually, and I felt really proud, and I
know she was proud, was when she taught me how
to write my CV and the first time I actually
got a job. That was a huge moment for me
as a child. When I wrote my own CV, she
looked over it and then managed to nail my first

(01:21:50):
job and first position. I thought at that point as
a child, I thought, this is fantastic. I'm starting to
become an adult now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Yeah, right, because this, Texas is what are you talking about?
A parent's work has never done but at some point,
it is some point you have set this person up
to go off and make their own decisions. And I
always said to my kids when you're eighteen. You have
to listen to me and not question until you're eighteen,
and then you're out in the world and you do
what you want. I'll be there to advise and help you.

(01:22:20):
But then you I believe by the time they're eighteen,
you should have given them everything that they need to succeed.
You know, you should have taught them everything that you
can to succeed. Provided with them everything, the driver's license, whatever.
They're ready to go out in the world to make
their decisions and succeed and fail under their own steam,

(01:22:40):
having been set up by you with the best chance
of success.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
Yeah, because you'll still be there if he's got any
questions or need some advice, You're always going to be there.
But to give them the essential life skills to go
out and do what they need to do in this world.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Yeah. So when you get a kid, as I did,
and I remember holding this particular kid They've got us
driving past this practical test first time today, holding him,
I was like, Okay, now I need to sort out
my life. I'm going to try and be a really
really good parent. I remember thinking that I'm going to
be a really really good parent. I'm going to be
a great dad and so, but what is the checklist?

(01:23:14):
I didn't really know what that means.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
What is the essential checklist that you thought you needed
to have with your child before you set them off
into the world, before they became an adult. Really keen
to hear from you on this one. This is going
to be a great chat. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is twelve
past three. You stalk zebby it is a quarter past three.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
So we're talking about what's the checklist of things that
you have to provide and we're not just talking financially,
but what you have to provide for your child to
be a successful parent when you send them off into
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Yep, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
This text is said the sext to Craig. This actually
I wold up a little bit like a little tear
in Miamis this You know when you have done a
fantastic parenting job, when your son calls you mate and
not dad.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
That is beautiful. That's a lovely moment when.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
You have a child. I've only had sons. But when
you have a child, there is a point when you
imagine when you'll meet them after they've moved out and
go to a pub for a drink with them.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Yeah, you know, do you make your meats here up now?

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Yeah, it's beautiful, Dean, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 24 (01:24:18):
Yeah, afternoon, boys, how are.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
You very good?

Speaker 13 (01:24:22):
Look it's not so.

Speaker 24 (01:24:23):
Much a checklist, But as soon as Tyler and Matt
you started talking about this, it reminded me of an
article that Matt helped me out here. I think you
wrote either earlier this year or last year, and it
was about sitting down with your kids and spending time
with them playing games.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
I think it was Oh, yes, you remember that, mate, Yeah,
I've written a few of those. Yes, I've had some
big adventures. I think I wrote an article saying that
some of the biggest adventures I've had with my kids
as when we play have played games together, like right
through the Halo series together, too good co labbing.

Speaker 24 (01:24:56):
Yeah, well this was even this was going even basic mate.
You mentioned about card games and things like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Oh yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah this one as well.

Speaker 24 (01:25:02):
Yeah yeah, and you know, you know, you basically tease
them and you so say I'm going to annihilate you.
I was reading that. I wanted to share this with
you because the wife actually came over and she said,
what's wrong. Why are you all tearing up? And I said,
look this article written by Matt Heath. I said, because
we've got three kids, yeah, one sort of ready to

(01:25:24):
move out. And I said, I don't know. It just
it hit so hard, mate, It just had a chord
and I actually got up to set reading it, and
I wanted to share that with you because obviously you do,
you prepare them for leaving, but I think the article itself,
you know, you said, spend a lot of time with them,
because there's nothing you can do to stop them. They

(01:25:45):
are going to leave. It really hard.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Yeah, and when it does, like when my son first
moved into the hostel, I just I couldn't believe the
massive hole it left, even though I'm still saying again,
because you realized that so much of your purpose up
to that point is to you know, you define yourself
primarily as a dad trying to prepare your kid and
do the right thing for the world. So every decision

(01:26:09):
you make around things are what is best for this
child and that's a great purpose in life. And then
they walk out the door and you and if you've
done a good job, then they're completely independent from you.
But you've kind of done yourself for dirty as well,
because you're like, you just speak whole in your heart.

Speaker 24 (01:26:25):
Well, perhaps we don't, do you think? Maybe, guys, we
don't actually prepare ourselves as parents for that. And you know,
I haven't really thought deeply about it until I read
that article with you, and actually because it was that good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Well, tell you what. Thank you so much for saying that.
That's probably one of the nicest things anyone said to me.
I'm glad that I made you. Normally, when you make
someone you know tears, you put tears in someone's eyes,
it's a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Xine, thank you very much. If anyone wants to read that,
hopefully I've got the right article here, just google Matt
Heath The Daily Game of Cards is a winning hand
for Pearans.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
That wasn't the That was that it? I know, but
that's not my headline. I just want to say the
headline at it I don't put.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Sorry you didn't write that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
You, yes, yeah, I wouldn't have written such a such
a pun.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
That's a happy headline, that's for sure. I had hundred
eighty ten eighty people are loving this chat. The phone
lines are full boar, but if you can't get through,
keep trying because they'll open up very shortly in so
many ticks coming through as well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
I think this one is a very important manners. It's
so simple, but teaching your son to firmly shake hands
and look person in the eye is one of the
things instilled from an area a early age. The number
of adults who comment on this is that I think
this is absolutely true. If you can can teach your
kids to be able to have a handshake and looking
at it on the eye and actually have a conversation

(01:27:49):
with an adult, you know, ask them questions about themselves,
you know, be respectful to adults and be able to
you know, deal with adults. I think that's a huge.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
Thing, definitely. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. What are the things you need to
take off as a parent before your children are set
up for adulthood? It is nineteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Three Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB Good Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
You're having a great discussion about what is the check
list that you need to tick off as a parent
before your children are set up for adulthood and for
general life. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
number to call. There's plenty of techs coming through on
nine two ninety two as well. This one Get I
met your article. It's made me tear up just listening
to that man talking about it. Talk about it. Yeah,
my babies are going to leave home and I'm going

(01:28:37):
to be so lost.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
I had this way to deal with your life, and
it was look at yourself and ask yourself. If someone
was watching the movie of your life, what advice they'd
be extreme screaming at you. And I guarantee if you're
sitting on your phone and your kids are sitting on
your phone beside you, they'd be screaming. Get off your
phone and do something with your kids. Ye, player, play
cards with them, play even video games with them. You know,

(01:29:02):
you know, do something with your kids. Don't sit on
your phone, can you you know, can you imagine watching
a movie and someone sitting there and go what is?

Speaker 8 (01:29:08):
What is?

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
They'll be going get off your phone and spend time
with your kids. You not only get, as the Sticks
of here says, you need to be told. Parents need
to be told they only get eighteen summers with their children. Yeah,
that's a beautiful way to look at it. Absolutely, it's
a terrifying way to look at it. Mary Anne, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 21 (01:29:24):
Hey, thanks, guys. I think the best thing you can
do for your kids, like I have two kids, is
to encourage them to be friends with each other. Yeah, yeah,
because when you're gone, they only have them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Yeah. Well yeah, I mean that's one of the things
that makes me so happy that my two sons get
on so well. I'm so grateful for it seeing it.
And that's another thing, you know saying before you mentioned
meeting your kids up for dinner or you know, play
goal for to go for a beer when they grow up.
But I love the idea of my two sons meeting up,
you know, you know as they get old.

Speaker 21 (01:30:04):
My son is like thirty and my daughter's twenty six.
And when my order was born, my son wasn't that
thrilled about it. Yeah, you know, it's like, what you mean,
she's staying for good. But you know, then there was
a time where like he was ten and she was
like six, and we were in a ski car park

(01:30:28):
and this car like went out of control.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
I know, are you still there.

Speaker 23 (01:30:36):
Mary, Yeah, and pulled her out.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
Of the way.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Oh that's beautiful.

Speaker 21 (01:30:45):
Anyway, So you know, make your kids friends with each
other because one day you'll be gone.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
So so just to get back to that, it's probably tougher, obviously.
That's such a beautiful moment. So your son, who you'd
worried that was that that had been a little bit
jealous when she turned up at one point just saw
his sister in danger and his instinct was to save her.
That's that's beautiful, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:31:14):
Oh, bless prettyis pissed off with the kids in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
For you, that's the next step of it. Hey, thank
you so much for calling what Maryanne? Thanks for sharing that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
What a lovely story. And give a couple of a
couple of need a few tissues in here. I think right,
we'll keep this going on. One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Blair. Welcome to the show. Someone's cutting onions in the studio, Blair.

Speaker 8 (01:31:42):
Good, Hey, Hi, how you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Going very well.

Speaker 8 (01:31:45):
Are you there?

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
Yea, yeah, we've got you loud and clear, mate. And
what's the checklift? Or how do you know you've succeeded
as a parent?

Speaker 8 (01:31:52):
Oh well, in regards to if you know you've succeeded,
then only comes with time. But all I wanted to
say was what I did with my kids is give
them love, honesty in my time. And you know, I
think the three key things, you knowially that second thing

(01:32:12):
honestly about what everything's about, you know what I mean,
you know, And that's all I did. That's all I
was able to do, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Yeah, And and and part of honesty, Blair is if
you say you're going to be somewhere, you're going to
you're going to be there, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:32:30):
Yeah. And as well as that, yeah, exactly that honestly
saying that I was honest about the world they live in,
you know, and it's not all gloss and cotton will
and stuff, and be prepared for that and don't be
surprised when bad stuff happens, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Yeah, you can't can't. You can't protect them forever. So
there's there's something that you can't you know, you've got
to make your kids. You can't protect your kids, You've
got to make them competent to face the world.

Speaker 7 (01:33:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:33:04):
And what what I tried to do was give them,
give them the right, you know, for want of a
better word, given the right ammunition, you know, to make
their own decisions in the right way, you know, legally
and morally and all of that kind of stuff. It's
about way you can really do. A.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Yeah, I thought this was.

Speaker 8 (01:33:27):
Just kids and they're going to do what they're going
to do. I mean we all did growing up, didn't
we Very true.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Well, eventually they're going to have to start making all
their decisions. So you only get so long to try
and set them up to be competent to face exactly
the potential horrors of the world, you know, the great
the great opportunities of the world, but also the great
dangers of the world.

Speaker 8 (01:33:47):
Yeah, exactly. And like I say, just love honesty in
your time. A.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
The timelines can be quite hard, though, isn't it, Because
as sorry, the time one can be quite hard because
sometimes to provide all the other things you need for
the kids, you have to work long hours sometimes mean
that you s end up being away from the people
that you're working for. You're working really hard to make
money for the kids, and meanwhile you're away from the kids.

Speaker 8 (01:34:18):
One of the things I did with that time thing
is I took the kids to work with me. Yeah,
so anyway, that's all I wanted to say.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Checked on your bless you sound like a great dad.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Absolutely nice ticks here. You get a Matt and Tyler,
six kids, taught them all to drive, they're well educated
and they're all now achieving very well in life. I
feel like I'm a champion dad. From Nigel, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
This is a really good text from Lorraine as well. Hi, guys,
one of the most important jobs you can be as
a dad and for your son is how you treat
their mother. A loving, respectful relationship absolutely will help them
in their relationships. Yeah, I mean that is actually true.
But across the board, you know, actions speak louder than words,
So how you are as a person is teaching your

(01:35:03):
kids much more. I mean, you could sit down and
say the best morality that you've googled, but if you're
not living it in front of them, then then you're
teaching them a different lesson.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
So true. Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the
number to call. We've got full boards. But if you
can't get through, keep trying. What is the checklist that
you need to take off as a parent before your
children are set up for adulthood? It is twenty nine
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Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
Thank you very much, ray Lean, and we're talking about
what are the things you need to take off as
appearent before they set up for life.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Yeah, that's right, because this morning I took my son
out to his practical driving test in he passed, and
I was so proud of him. I got quite emotional.
But then I was sitting and part of the emotion
was I thought, like, I've ticked off another thing that
I always thought, you know, I'll have one day I'll
teach my son to drive, and I've done that and
he passes test. So that made me feel proud of him.
Also made me feel proud of our relationship that we

(01:37:14):
could tea I could teach him to drive without him
without having a single argument about it. And then I thought,
you know, he's eighteen. Now, I've done most of the
things that I need to do, not that I need
to do. I'd like to do more. I'd like part
of me wants I'm never to move out. But he
has and you know, braces, spending a lot of time
with sports. Yeah, you know, putting a roof over his head,

(01:37:38):
making sure that he knows that I love and will
support him forever, all those kind of things. But what
are those things you got to take off to say
at when your kid moves out that you have been
a good dad or mum.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Call, Rachelle Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
Hi, how are you very good?

Speaker 8 (01:37:59):
That's good.

Speaker 7 (01:38:00):
I've got three boys, and my oldest one he left
home about two years ago, and when he moved out,
I was very, very nervous for him. He was our
our rebel child. I guess you call him and he's
you know, he's happy. He's happy now and settled in
his life out at home. That it's my second child
leaving home now and he's never moved out. And he

(01:38:23):
has gone about moving out, but not just moving out,
he's moving overseas, so it's a lot harder this time. Yeah,
but he's done well. He's like, he's got himself a job.
You know, he's got to earn one hundred and thirty
thousand k years, He's got a place to live, he's
you know, he's he's got himself set up. But I
know in my heart with him going that, bringing him up,

(01:38:47):
that I've instilled a lot of things in him, you know,
knowing your self worth, knowing that you loved, teaching him
about his finances, and just making sure that he knows
that we're always there and he can always come home.
I've spent so much time with my children even now,
I still have mother mother son dates. Can we go
out and we go bowlder, we have dinners, you know,

(01:39:09):
those types of things. And I've still got one at home,
so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Good to have another one at home when the other one.
The other one goes few more years ago.

Speaker 7 (01:39:21):
But yeah, I just know that he's going with a
lot of love in his heart, and he knows that
you know, we're here and that we've given him everything
that he all the tools he needs to be successful
in his life.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
And what about the I guess the financial side of things,
being able to provide for them, is there the basics
that you have to You've got to You've got to
obviously feed them in a safe house. That's that's you know,
you that that is very very important. Did you have
to do you have to pony up for braces?

Speaker 7 (01:39:54):
No, we didn't, fortunately, but we didn't bring them up
to to have everything. We taught them that you had
to earn to have something because we went the richest people.
We were young when we had kids, and you know,
and budgets were important to us. So we taught them that,
you know, you don't have to have the latest Nike
year or you don't you know, those.

Speaker 24 (01:40:15):
Types of things.

Speaker 7 (01:40:16):
If you want things like that, you.

Speaker 24 (01:40:17):
Strive for it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
See they did.

Speaker 7 (01:40:20):
Get something like that. They really appreciated it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
This might be somewhere I've fallen down as a dad.

Speaker 7 (01:40:26):
So now we don't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:28):
We didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
I might have. I might have given them everything they
could possibly want, especially.

Speaker 7 (01:40:35):
As time was the time where we would give things
like that, but not during the year. You know, just
because the kid had the latest shoes doesn't mean, they
had to have them, and you know, so they don't.
They don't ask for anything. Yeah, they're appreciative of what
they got.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
That's brilliant. You've done a fantastic job. But do you
ever think that there'll be somewhere because you aim to
be a great parent and you think about it a lot,
and but do you ever think about the thing that
they will look back and go, ah, my parents did
this wrong or the thing that you somehow got wrong,
because say, for example, you saying that there, I'm thinking

(01:41:10):
there's a potential that I didn't teach my kids that
they had to. I found this, for example, Rochelle's visiting
my dad recently, and he pulled out this this note
and it was an IOU for work around the farm
that I'd signed as a kid to get something. We
couldn't remember to what it was, but it was an
IOU for thirty hours work, yep. And so that's how

(01:41:32):
he that's how he brought me up. If you want something,
then you have to work for it. It was this
funny little thing of this terrible little child signature on it,
and I was thinking I saw that as well, and
I thought maybe I haven't because you know, I've got
a pretty good work ethic, I think, and I think
maybe that was instilled in my be from my dad.
And now I'm thinking, God, is that the area I
messed up in, you know, by giving them too much stuff?

Speaker 9 (01:41:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:41:56):
I like it's not that they went about like they
did get things, but it was just like, you know,
we just wanted them to realize the value of things.
You just don't throw money at everything. You think about
it before you do it. And you know, and they
might turn around and think that we were horrible for
doing that, but we know that they're going to think about.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
It's a great listen, Rochelle.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Yeah, I'm starting to sing a big I'm starting to
see a big hole on my parenting.

Speaker 7 (01:42:25):
But even now, you know, they young adults now, like
my youngest is eighteen, he's just turned eighteen, and my
oldest is twenty three.

Speaker 5 (01:42:32):
Twenty four.

Speaker 7 (01:42:32):
I think think about the one and a twenty one
year olds, one that's going overseas. And even now, you know,
we say to them, you know, you're.

Speaker 24 (01:42:40):
Living at home. We don't charge them.

Speaker 7 (01:42:42):
Board and we just say to them, you know, if
you want something, you need to contribute. So we still
do it to them now and it's you know, otherwise
we don't want to take us for granted at the
end of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Yeah, yeah, well you sound like a great parent, Rachelle.
Thank you so much for sharing.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Yeah, what a great caller.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
After that call, I'm going to cut the youngest off.
I'm going to cut him off. No, no more spoiling
the youngest, Just.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Buy him what he wants. One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number of call. What do you need
to take off as a parent before your children are
set up for adulthood and for life? Love to hear
from you? It is twenty one to four.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
It's a fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
There'd be afternoon. It's eighteen to four.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
The sexy says, kids remembering the time you spent with them,
not what you spent on them. That's from Steve. It's
beautiful text. But sometimes to have anything to spend on
your kids, you have to spend time away from It's
a big catch. Twenty two in life. Yeah, that's you,
you know, but then again, you can normally find some time.
The problem is when you work really hard to provide
the things for your kids then go home and sit

(01:43:47):
on your phone on the couch and not spend time
with them when you could.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
Yeah, exactly, I remember when the old man brought me
a car. That was a good moment.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call, Kevin, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 25 (01:43:58):
Good evening, h sorry even yet afternoon, gentlemen. I just
my thoughts are that you just never know sometimes exactly
what our kids think of us at the end of
the day when they leave home and move on, and
and how they rate you, and so what if you've
gone to to make sure that they had a as
easy as possible up becoming bringing, and that that would

(01:44:21):
anyone would would want. It wasn't until my middle son
was sleep to represent competition for a Butcher of the
Year in New Zealand and they had an assignment which
they had to have a speech in front of the audience.
There was four to five hundred people there at the
dinner and he got up and he spoke, and it

(01:44:46):
was the theme was of someone you admire and his
first words were, my dad.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
Wow, that that would hit you and the heart right there.
Oh my goodness, I was a messing it given.

Speaker 25 (01:45:04):
And then he just went on. You know, the honesty
reliance was in the life teachings. It was pretty pretty
out there. It was pretty emotional for the whole way through.
And he got a standing ovationure when he finished.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
That was your standing ovation as well, Kevin. There was
a standing ovation for you.

Speaker 25 (01:45:22):
Yeah. And here's my fishing buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
Oh mate, that's beautiful buddy.

Speaker 25 (01:45:26):
And that was when he was twenty and he's thirty
nine now and we go away to get a fishing
on the boat. And the other three kids are the
other two kids older and younger, exactly the same. And
we supported them when they were kids. If they wanted
a vehicle, we would put up a thousand dollars. And
then they had worked, had a jobs. They worked to

(01:45:49):
get the money that they wanted for the car, and
they weren't allowed to wreck. It had to be something decent.
So they worked for another two years part time after
school to get themselves where they.

Speaker 8 (01:46:00):
Have to be.

Speaker 25 (01:46:01):
They have a decent car, and then went on from
there and all three of them really successful in there.
When they chose trades. So it's really really good and
it's nice to have that feedback sometimes. And every time
we see each other, it's a hug, it's a man handshake,
and it's I love you now.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
When you when you have this beautiful story, Kevin, when
you were listening to that speech, one of five hundred people,
obviously you wet your face. You'd have to that that
that would be. But did any did you manage did
any whimpering noises come out, with any explosions?

Speaker 7 (01:46:37):
It was.

Speaker 25 (01:46:40):
A big dive in the pocket for the henky.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
You're a great man, Kevin. Congratulations on your children. Fantastic,
what a great what a great thing this year. There's
something that I've noticed, you know, when it comes to speeches,
this is the other way around. You know, when someone retires,
a sporting legend retires, or a politician retires, or or
whoever is accepting an award, and when they're speaking, they

(01:47:04):
hold it together talking about the professional side of it,
and they hold it together talking about their career, but
as soon as they bring up their wife and kids
or their husband and kids, that's when they break. That's
when they can't get through to the end of the speech.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Yeah, that's where the emotion sets in. It's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Yeah, and kem welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (01:47:26):
You're a recorderer. I just turned the radio off so
it doesn't repeat.

Speaker 8 (01:47:31):
Hey.

Speaker 5 (01:47:32):
So I had my children and they're cool children, but
I remember I just had one. I could call it
a wish to put good kids out there, and I
believe I have. But he was the thing. As soon
as I had my first one, I thought, oh my god,
I'm going to leave. You know, they're gonna grow up,
They're going to leave me. And I was grieving then.
So I said, he was the first one. He's silly

(01:47:53):
forty now. So I set myself up. I said, okay,
I've got to have an interest. So over the years
I picked up all these interests. I mean, it was
a big gap when my last one the edist twenty one,
and but I had these interests. I mean, I think
karaoke badly, you know, I read, I do all that stuff,

(01:48:13):
and that was to pull that gap. Then inevitably, I
knew what happened, So you know I did it work absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:48:22):
I tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Film five kids?

Speaker 13 (01:48:25):
Yeah no, not.

Speaker 5 (01:48:26):
Really, the last one after about six months ago. That's
my emptiness and then I got over myself, and it's like, whoa, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Have you ever taken a moment to just feel proud
of yourself for successfully bringing up five five humans and
releasing them into the world.

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
Every morning when I did my cutting, yet I was
grateful that I actually every day I would wake up
and I was doing it all the game. But here's
something that happened to me. So I had my kids,
then I had my upples, my grandchildren. My kids were
my heart, but my mapels are soulful. That's the difference.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Beautiful, that's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
Yeah, plenty of teas coming through on nine to nine two.
Will get to a of those shortly, and how are you?

Speaker 10 (01:49:12):
Hi?

Speaker 21 (01:49:13):
Good?

Speaker 26 (01:49:13):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
Now you've raised three girls, is that right?

Speaker 26 (01:49:17):
That's correct. They are raising their own families now, but
just wanted to share the story. Whenever they got ice creams,
were like, right from an early age, ice creams or
packets of chips or anything, we always used to take
a handful of chips or a look at the ice cream.
And so it's texts for the text man. And so

(01:49:39):
they have grown up thinking that, you know, whatever, they
have to give something back, and they are now doing
it with this grandchildren, which is funny to see.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
That's funny you should say that because I've done that
to my kids. Whenever they've got a packet of chips
or something, always grab one and say text man, I
don't know where I got it from, but I've always
done that.

Speaker 10 (01:50:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
Yeah, that certainly sets them off. It sets them up
for the real world. Thank you very much. A. That's lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
We've got some what's their time right now? We've got
full lines in the Texas is like a subject that
you go for days.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
It could do. Yeah, yeah, should we take one more
before we got to play some messages? Pizer? How are
you Hi?

Speaker 27 (01:50:21):
I am good, Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:50:22):
How are you good?

Speaker 5 (01:50:22):
Nice to check Yeah, it's my first.

Speaker 27 (01:50:25):
Time on the radio. I don't know why I called,
but oh my god, I.

Speaker 9 (01:50:28):
Got on.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
And welcome in. And what's your thoughts about that checklist
you need to take off to make sure your kids
are going to be good adults.

Speaker 27 (01:50:38):
I think that we need, especially with our boys, we
need to make sure that our heads grow up to
be resilient. Yeah, and disciplined because I just kind of
I just feel I mean, I was born in New
Zealand to immigrant parents, and I have two stop year
old boys and a under one daughter, and I just

(01:50:59):
feel like they're so immersed and social media and YouTube
that they actually don't.

Speaker 7 (01:51:04):
Know what it's like.

Speaker 27 (01:51:05):
To put it in the work and just you know,
be just be motivated and actually think about careers and
all of that. Although you know, like I mean, like
you know, it depends on what goals are their goals are, respectively,
but still I just think that they deal with resilience
and discipline.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
Yeah, yeah, and how's sorry, how's that gone so far?

Speaker 27 (01:51:30):
I mean, because I've got two steps I've got one
step son and my actual biological sons. They're both twelve.
And it's quite interesting because obviously one's a product of
my environment and upbringing. The other ones quite influenced by
his dad because he writes it as a single that
and so my son, I would say, he's a little

(01:51:51):
bit more academic and he knows that, you know, he
needs to try at school and you know he needs everything.
In the horror, it's not going to get done for him.
He has to do it himself. He is for the evidence,
where it's the other ones a little bit more towards sports,
which is fine. It's great, but it's just like it's
just like, you know, they're a little bit too demanded,

(01:52:13):
and you know, they just expect things without really thinking
about whether they deserve it as well. And it's quite
like different to my upbringing where like, you know, my
parents obviously said of me whatever I wanted when I
was younger. I'm still i would say, like a charity child.
Our dad he moved to New Zealand when he was fourteen,

(01:52:35):
and basically we all we're four siblings and we all
share a driveway. We've got our own individual properties on
a shared driveway. Yeah yeah, and he he provided that
for us.

Speaker 14 (01:52:48):
We wouldn't have those, Yeah, we wouldn't.

Speaker 27 (01:52:50):
And we're neighbors, which is great, like because you know,
it means I've got child care twenty four to seven.

Speaker 10 (01:52:56):
Essentially.

Speaker 27 (01:52:56):
My mom's just at the front house and my sister's
in the back house. And it's a great little community
that we live in. But I just think that, you know,
now a kind of consequence for having book heads having
everything at the getupches that they actually forget to work hard.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Yeah. I think that's a good point. You know, you
got you definitely don't want to bring up wines and
you definitely want to bring your kids up to understand
that they have to work hard for things. Absolutely, Well,
what a fantastic shat it is if I can, if
I can zero it down into what we come up
with with kids. You've got to feed them, house them,
give them what you can. But also you've really got
to be reliable and honest and spend as much time

(01:53:34):
with them as you can.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
Yeah, what a great chat. It is eight minutes to
fall back. Very shortly. You're listening to Matton Tyler the.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
Big stories, the big issues, to the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, Excused TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
News talks there B. It is six minutes to for
what a great show today.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Someone texted me through just then then said Matt, look,
you're celebrating that you're an amazing father because you're your
son's eighteen and you're very proud of him and you
think he's a great man. And he passed his driving test.
But then they pointed out, did you teach him how
to drive a manual car?

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Did you know?

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
So? So that makes me less of a great dad.
He had the easy pasy cameras. No hell starts automatic
and break automatic car with all the bells and whistles,
basically drives itself for us.

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
We're still hated in one though, which is impressive.

Speaker 8 (01:54:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
It's a good moment, mate, it's a good moment.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Yeah, Brave. You know, I want to how many kids
are sitting there the driver's license now in manual cars?

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
Not many anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
I was an emotional hour, and I mentioned Tyler will
be going home right now and trying to create some kids.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
That's the plan absolutely after that, Chad, I want several babies. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
Thank you so much for listening to the show. The
full show podcast will be up in about an hour
or so if you have missed any of it. So
he had some great calls today. The Paul Holmes Broadcaster
of the Year will be with you next here the
dooplus y Ellen. But right now, Tyler, Oh mate, why
am I playing this song?

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Kat Stevens father and son. What a beautiful song. I'm
gonna need some tissues again.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
One of the greatest moments in my life is when
I took my son to see Kat Stephens life and
I had my arm around him. Well, he sang the
song with me watching Kat Stevens. Yeah, the one that
passed his driver's license today. Ellie, what I wet my
face that day?

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
I just bloody dried my ice. Thank you very much.
But what a beautiful song.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
One of the greatest songs of all time. Thank you
so much for listening. See you tomorrow. Until then, give
him a taste of Kiwik all.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
Things and you've inside.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
It's hard, but it's hard to win. Nore fate.

Speaker 18 (01:55:50):
That is them, lito, not mean no, that's away, And
I know that I have.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
To go away. I know I have to go.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
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