Full Show Podcast: 25 February 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hell you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Afternoons Full show podcast number seventy four. Wow, so
it'll be seventy five tomorrow a milestone. Hey, great show today.
If you like billionaire hate, if you like hunting stories,
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(00:39):
rescue stories. And of course what show would be complete
without some quite violent citizens arrests.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, taking people at the supermarket if you so choose,
and maybe maybe in a few days time.

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Speaker 4 (01:03):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:12):
Good afternoon, cheer, Welcome into Tuesday seven pass one. I
hope you having a great afternoon. Get a match, Get eight, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Hey, I was talking before to the people that have
asked between twelve and one. No, not everyone does, yep,
but I was talking about oh week, yes, and Wellington
University getting a bit annoyed at people advertising on Victoria
Campus for a week. Anyway, it was a definition and
I asked, are there's still toga parties?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Because I still enjoy the toga party back when I
was at the university.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Who didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Here's the answer to that question, Hi, Matt Uni, toga
parties very much still happening, mate Tommy. His daughter rang
him up and said, Dad, you'll be proud of me.
I just bought a sheet to go to a toga party.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh that is good.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
And he said why should I be proud? And she
said all the other ones are going on polowcases.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
It's a step above. That's a classy form.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Is that just a set up for a joke?

Speaker 4 (02:01):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:02):
I mean toga party is a very American thing. But
that were so easy though, wasn't it? Because all you
needed was a sheet.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
And you got to go.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
You really need to try too hard.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, No, I'll enjoy it to take a parting, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Absolutely, Right onto today's show after three o'clock. Should rescue
helicopters be taking trampers and hunters dogs with them if
they get into trouble. The Emeritime New Zealand Rescue Coordination
Center has said our urged donors not to activate personal
locator beacons for their dogs if their dogs get injured.

(02:32):
Can kind of understand that, but there is a lot
of gray rear here that if you're a tramper a hunter,
you break your leg or get into trouble, you've got
your dogs with you. Sometimes they don't take the dogs.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, that is rough one hundred and eighty ten eighty
nine two nine two on that issue. After three o'clock,
After two o'clock, US billionaire ped of Teel winds down
his New Zealand business interests and these do you registerrate
his companies? He's still got a passport. But the question
is do we do enough to keep billionaires billionaires here?
Do we do enough to invite them in here? And
should we make special overtures to them? Should we be

(03:06):
rolling out the red carpet for what they can do?
Because you know, Peter Tail, very successful business then, very
successful tech guy. He could have done a lot, but
we basically turned down every application he had to build anything,
and he finally just left. We've currently got James Cameron.
He's getting quite active in New Zealand politics. You might go,
James Cameron, don't tell us what to do. You're a

(03:26):
movie director. But then again, he's bought all the Avatar
sequels down here. He's good mates with Sir Peter Jackson
and they're doing a lot. He's put a lot of
business through Whea the workshops that's employing a lot of
people in Wellington. He can have an outsized effect on
our company and the particular interest he is in. So
should we just put up with James Cameron blasting on
about stuff over here? Should we just take it from

(03:50):
billionaires for what they can give us.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Well, we seem to like that billionaire, but we don't
like another billionaire. But it's going to be a good
discussion after two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Oh yeah, I mean, people don't people bring in the
politics that they like in the politics that they don't like.
But what about right now, Tyler?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Citizens arrest? Let's get into this. So a ministerial advisory
group set out to combat retail crime wants the government
to strengthen citizens arrest and use of force powers and
its efforts to protect retailers. So, Sonny Couchelle, you'd know
the name he used to hit up the Dairy Owner's Association,
and he's been very hot on retail crime. He is

(04:25):
now chairing this particular group, and he said some time
ago that they have long advocated for a strengthening of
our citizens' arrest powers. So as it stands at the moment, effectively,
from the hours of nine pm to six am, if
you see someone stealing your property or see someone committing
an offense, you can implement a citizen's arrest, however you

(04:48):
choose to do that. But any person who was committing
an offense during daylight hours, unless you can prove that
that offense would carry a maximum punishment of not less
than three years, how the hell do you approve that? Yeah,
you can't do anything.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, it's an interesting one. So shop staff for security
guards can only forcibly prevent you leaving a shop in
two kinds of situations, expensive items if the things they
expect you are stealing are worth one thousand dollars or
more like a higher end laptop for example, or it's
nighttime between nine pm and six am, which is interesting.
They still have to use reasonable and probable grounds. They

(05:24):
have to have reasonable probable grounds for believing that you've
stolen the item, which is pretty vague. In these cases,
the shop staff or security guides would be carrying out
what's sometimes called a citizen rest, and they can use
reasonable force to hold you. However, they still don't have
the right to search your bag without consent, so it's
actually pretty pretty weak what someone can do with say

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you take a supermarket for example, that's one thousand thousand dollars,
is a lot of groceries, even in this day and age.
So essentially, if someone's got one thousand dollars with a
groceries and a shopping cart, you can just walk it out.
But natural fairness and in the way that we see
the world, you imagine that the supermarket belongs to the
people that own it, and the stuff that's in there

(06:08):
belongs to those people until you've bought it off them.
And so if you're trying to leave with it, then
I would have assumed up until very recently that you
could be grabbed and thrown in a back room till
the police turned up.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, I mean apparently you can't unless it's over one
thousand dollars, which is crazy. I mean, I think there's
two things here with the citizens arrest is the powers
of security guards at supermarkets, right, and absolutely one hundred
percent those guys should be able to detain someone who
was stealing items from the premises. But your average Joe citizen,

(06:41):
I mean, would you get evolved if you're at a supermarket,
you're at a countdown and someone rolls out with a
massive trap. You'd never be at a countdown. If you're
at a bougie New.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
World, get out, you shop it.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
That's good food there. If you were at New World
and someone rolled out worth a trolley and you could
see that security guard was getting pretty irate and was
struggling a bit, you know it was Argie Barji with
the trolley full of stolen items, would you jump in
there and tackle that person?

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, that's I would like some clarification on that. How
much can the security guard go argibargie with the trolley
like right now? How much can they push back against it?

Speaker 3 (07:17):
If they're not touching the alleged defender, then they're okay.
Is that the scenario that if they're just physically touching
the trolley and not physically touching this person who is
an alleged thief.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, well, I would believe you know, I believe that
they should, and I know this isn't the law, but
they should be able to exert as much force is
required to stop someone leaving the store with the stuff.
But as for whether I would intervene, boy, I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, I've got a few stories where I've seen people intervene.
And that's pretty interesting because.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
There's a line. Right if you saw people stealing items,
that's probably different that if you saw there was archie
bargie in the security guard was getting smacked in the
head by someone trying to steal trolleys. Probably at that
point you would step in to try and help that
security guard.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah, I'd like to think I would.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
And then at that stage you can take them down
the whole title.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Okay, what about someone screaming outside of Outer Mall they've
just robbed a jewelry store. Do you put your foot
out to foot trip them as they're running past you. Oh,
i'd give it a good Yeah, I'd like to think
i'd do that. Yeah, but it'll be interesting to know
how much trouble you'd get in if they then smash
into the corner of the sushi shop and bashly head
up is because your foot tripped them? Have you used

(08:32):
too much force on them? Yeah at that point, But yeah,
I would love to think if I saw someone had
just smashed up a jewelry store a Michael Hill and
they were running off, I just put my foot out.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Chiky foottap, cheepy say, yep, cheeky footap oh e One
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call now
just to find a point from Kushaw. He wrote an
opinion piece just before he joined this committee. So he
advocated for an approach witness during an attempted shoplifting in
Canada in twenty ten in which a shoplifter was tied
up and put in the back of a van until
police arrived, an incident that was later endorsed in legislation.

(09:04):
So that is effectively hog tying an offender until police arrive,
and if the offender's got a good story, they let
them go. If not, then job well done. I'd love
to hear from you on this. So one hundred and
eighty ten eighties the number to call nine to two
nine two is the text. It is a quarter past one.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
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Speaker 4 (09:27):
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Speaker 3 (09:36):
Afternoon. It is seventeen past one and we're talking about citizens'
arrest legislation. There are calls for that to be strengthened
in aligned with other jurisdictions like Canada, where effectively, if
an alleged thief is taking off with some property at
the property's owner can hog tie them, put them in
a van and wait for police to arrive.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, maybe not that far, but you think they could
at least lead them into a back room until the
cops arrive. Yeah, that seems basic, I mean, pretty tough.
If you're, i know, an eighteen year old girl working
behind the ca unter by yourself in a clothing store,
that's a difficult one. But you know, you can imagine
security guards at supermarkets and big appliance stores and jewelry stores.

(10:19):
Seems it seems like a basic that you should if
you see someone stealing, they're trying to leave, you stop.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Them, physically restrain them.

Speaker 7 (10:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.
To call Glenn, how are you.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Mate?

Speaker 7 (10:33):
Good?

Speaker 8 (10:33):
That guys?

Speaker 9 (10:34):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 10 (10:35):
Two points.

Speaker 9 (10:36):
Firstly, I was up in the Philippines last winter, and
over there they have security guards on all the malls
at the door with guns and if people look dodgy,
that literally don't let them in the mall. That's the
first point I'd like to make.

Speaker 11 (10:55):
Okay, yep.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
Interesting.

Speaker 9 (10:59):
Now the second point I'd like to say to all
the dairy owners in New Zealand, if they have a
hockey stick or similar and give intruder a good bash.
I guarantee one hundred percent, having sat on two juries
in my lifetime, there's not a jury in New Zealand

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that would convict them of anything.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
So there we are.

Speaker 9 (11:26):
I believe they should take the law into their own
hands and give that offender a good bash with a
hockey stick.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
I think you're right about the jury if you know
they end up on charges themselves. But obviously you can see,
Glenn that if there is a dairy owner, and say
it's a female who is co owner of the deary,
and she's left alone at night, and she takes that
bat into her own hands and tries to take on
these thieves, that could too nasty.

Speaker 9 (11:54):
Yes, yes, you're making a good point. They need to,
you know, be a bit of discretion there. But I
honestly feel that they could and should, or even even
if they had a taste or something, or it doesn't
need to be a hockey set, could be some other
form other than a firearm and give that intruder a bash.

(12:17):
They won't get convicted, they literally, if they do, the
jury will let them off one. And they should be
more assertive, that's my view, and more confident to deal
with things fair enough.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
And that's what they do in the Philippines. I take
it you mentioned they don't let turn ruffians to the malls,
but they also they are a bit more brutal and
if someone steals.

Speaker 9 (12:39):
Yes, now, look, I was at Albany Moore this morning
and they had two security guys there at the Michael
Hill Jeweler. And to be fair, these guys look pretty tough.
They were young Pacifica guys I'm going to say in
their thirties, probably rugby league players, well built, and they

(12:59):
look like they could deal. But you know, I had
a bit of react to them. It's frustrating for them.
They're not even legally allowed to restrain somebody who's running.

Speaker 11 (13:09):
Out the door or something.

Speaker 8 (13:11):
It's just nuts.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
Yeah, I mean they're only there as the turret.

Speaker 7 (13:15):
You know.

Speaker 9 (13:15):
We should give them more powers, those security guys to
detain anyone skillings. That's another sort I have the thing
about that.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, I mean it does seem basic. If you've gone
into someone's store and you're leaving with some of their
stuff that you don't own, then it seems like a
basic that you should be restrained until the cops turn up.
And that always was the case. And I don't know
if people were operating illegally when I was a kid
or not, but a number of my friends got caught

(13:47):
shoplifting and they were keeped in the back room till
the cops turned up, and then they got got in trouble.

Speaker 11 (13:53):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I mean has that changed. I guess it has, yeah,
or yeah, it just seems that just seems like an
absolute basic. Yeah, yeah, I mean massively complicated obviously if
you've got it, depending on the amount of force that
you have to apply to restrain someone. But if you're
not allowed to, Okay, take this scenario for example, you're
not allowed to. If you're not allowed to restrain these people.

(14:15):
What about if you just they're in the store, you
see them stealing, you just go outside and lock the
door and leave them in there.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
And that's strategy. Actually, that is a very good strategy.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
You do in a major supermarket.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
But are you going to get into trouble for effective
we're kidnapping them.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, Well, we're trying to track down someone to talk
to about the actual legal nuances of this. It's actually
surprisingly hard to sort of unravel everything that we're reading
from the Crimes Act and such.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
And I will say that we had a chat to
Sonny Kouschow, who's now the chair of this particular committee.
We chatted to the head of the Security Guards Association.
All of them are in a tough position because they
have advised this particular committee and we or they are
expecting the recommendations to come from the Minister this week.
So that puts the mna bit of a conflict of interest.

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But hopefully we can chat to someone with a bit
of legal knowledge about citizens the rest and how it
works in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yes, so eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two
nine two is the text number. Do you think that
more powers should be bestowed bestowed upon a store owners
to stop people stealing from them leaving the store. And
have you ever enacted a citizen's arrest? I'd love to
hear from someone that's done it.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Absolutely, get on the phone. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 12 (15:35):
Breakfast display, mister Crystal Black Andrew Bailey, would you have
sacked him if he hadn't offered to resign?

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Well, hypothetical he did resign.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
No, I know that, but just answer the question.

Speaker 12 (15:43):
Was it a sackable offense?

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Well?

Speaker 8 (15:45):
Thank given how clear we've been on the first incidence.

Speaker 12 (15:47):
I just answered the question. Well, so this is why
you get yourself reputationally in so much trouble. Would you
have sacked him? Now you stall not, I can say, yeah,
he didn't meet the expectators I have minister's so you
would have sacked him, But I didn't mean too because
he resides. But this is why you're in trouble. In
the polls, people want something decisive. Look, if you wouldn't
have sacked him, say so either way, I don't care.
But people want from you, the Prime Minister, to go.
This is my expectation. I'm glad he resigned because if he,

(16:08):
I would have said them, well, that's exactly what has
happened here. Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking
breakfast with Bayley's real Estate Newstalk ZB have to.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Know and we're talking about citizens arrest. Sorry, just having
a wee chuckle at that lesson Mike was given to
the Prime minister. But let's go back to citizens arrest.
Does that legislation need to be strengthened. The head of
a committee looking into retail crime certainly thinks it does.
Love to hear from you. Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty Peter, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 13 (16:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (16:39):
Good, Thanks, enjoy a show. Guys, you're just with the
propit you're on. Yeah, I've tread very carefully in that area.
Citizens arrest. We've had this before, people catching people breaking
into the shop, bashing them to the point of unconsciousness.
This happened a few years ago and they got chased
with a soul. Everyone's idea of reasonable force is different
from other people's, and I don't want to see people

(17:01):
getting into fights wrestling matches and supermarkets trying to stop
someone people. Are they seem to be a bit more
aggressive these days, the old days of going into the
back room. You remember those days, most people just went compliantly. Nowadays, yeah,
they probably wouldn't. You don't know who's carrying something in
their pocket like a knife, and that they'll do anything
to defend themselves.

Speaker 11 (17:21):
You don't know what they're on.

Speaker 8 (17:22):
Are they on some sort of myth or drugs or something.
Tread very carefully. I don't mind cigarette guards getting a
little bit more power, call the police, get a registerent
registration number of the car. The police have followed people
home when they've been called by the way and caught
them at their house.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
So it's a few point you're saying, yeah, and you're right.
I mean, there's a fine line between vigilanteism and doing
the right thing if you see someone committing an offense.
But as I said earlier, if I saw someone stealing
from a supermarket, I don't know if I'd get involved
until somebody was getting hurt. At that point I think
hopefully I would jump in to try and assist, But

(18:02):
just someone stealing, I think i'd leave that hopefully to
the security guard and give them a little more power.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
It's really interesting because I'm reading about this on the
Criminal Act nineteen sixty one, all the information. So as
you say, Peter, I think you might be right. I
think people just used to be asked into the other room,
and they just think that they had to because maybe
we'll complain it. I'm thinking about my mate Bruce Bryce.
I probably shouldn't say his name. Let's call him David.
Both those actually David as well. Let's make up another name, Tyler.

(18:31):
So my friend Tyler, he was he's a good guy.
He got done for shoplifting when we were at high
school and he was just asking to the other room,
and so he went, and then his parents got called,
police got called, and you know, it was a terrible
situation his life. It felt like the end of the
world for him, and we're all very worried about him.
But I wonder if he just they just said, you come,

(18:53):
come this way with me, sir, you've got that in you,
and then he just followed. Because I don't know if
there's actually actually changed. But I remember I was working
in real groovy records. Once. Once again, I give too
many details and someone stole a bunch of CDs and
ran out the door, and one of my cowork has
just sprinted out the door after him and tackled the guy.
I followed down the road and he just fully tackled

(19:15):
him like a security guard on a streaker in Atia Square,
and then brought the guy back with his arm behind
as you know, like a rogha must bettened the store
and held him there until.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
The cops came, and nothing happened to him.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
But no, the cops came and took the guy away,
So that seems like he you know, it definitely wasn't
over a thousand dollars that he was stealing. It was
probably about three. It was a crowded house CD, a
Cranberry CD and the Eagles Greatest sets.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
You know, it's an eclectic selection. But yeah, yeah, but Peter, yeah,
I mean I can, and a lot of people are
texting in regards to your point as well. But I
think going back to the security guards, I think bare
minimum allowing them to physically restrain someone. I'm not opposed
to that, but there's still a few for shooks. There's
got to be training. You've got to know that the

(20:03):
person being a security guard is able to do that
in an effective and safe manner. I mean it's not easy.
It's not easy.

Speaker 8 (20:11):
No, that should be the last resort for cause I've
seen a security guard hold this was about six months ago,
holding a trolley, the front of the trolley and he
was a fairly big security go but the guy that
was pushing it was slightly bigger, and he was pushing
the security guard backwards. But the security guard I was
watching him. He didn't lay one finger on the guy himself. Yeah,

(20:33):
but he was Oh my god, but the situation, situation
could have got out of hand. You restraint, That's what
I'm saying for any any law of you restraint. Yeah,
be careful, treat careful.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Because that's an interesting sort of gray area. If you're
applying the force on holding onto the item that's being stolen,
or the items in that case when it's in a trolley,
you're applying all your force to things that the store
that you're working for owns. And if the if the
person wants to continue pushing, then that and they happen
to be pushed back into a wall and hurt. That

(21:04):
seems like they had the option to no longer hold
onto the trolley if you Yeah, all right, thanks, thanks
very much, Thanks so much for your call. Peter. It's
interesting that idea of not letting people into stores that
you think might be dodgy. That that would you know,
that would open up a whole kettle of first as well.
Wouldn't it that be a shop anywhere?

Speaker 11 (21:24):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (21:26):
But no, it is, I mean at the Philippines that
is the extreme. If you look a little bit rough
and they don't like the cut of your jib, sorry
you ain't shopping today.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
But they do that at bars, don't they. Good point, Yeah,
you won't be let into a bar for whatever reason
that the bartender wants. So why couldn't you just be
not let into a shop? Yeah? But profiling people, you know,
you can get it wrong. As you say, upstanding citizens
like me that look a bit dodgy wouldn't be able
to go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Oh wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call headlines worth ray Lean coming up?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Hey, actually after the break, ye, after these headlines, I'd
like to share a story about a citizen's arrest that
a friend of mine's father did in Melbourne when he
was on holiday or this is due. There was a
action packed citizens arrest that that this guy wants his
name this time for once executed and it's quite a
good story, all right, looking forward to.

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Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
All right, welcome back to the news talk z B.
Tyler Adams. Just on the phone to his girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yes she's doing all right, Thank you very much. Just
talking about citizens arrests. And the question we posed to
you is should the legislation be strengthened. It's on the
back of an advisory group, the Retail Crime Group and
recommendations expected from the Minister Paul Goldsmith at the end
of this week. Plenty of great texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Hi, guys, I worked as a bouncer for security company
ten years ago. The company got exmass contracts for various banks.
Security on the door. We got no training at all.
A bank in Auckland was held up. Our guy pummeled
the potential robber and held held him for the cops.
Ended up in trouble with the cops and management, even
though he stopped the robbery. I mean, that's the concern,

(24:19):
isn't it, Because you would think that the right thing
to do is to pummel the robber.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, he can hold him up.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I mean, especially if it's an armed robber, you know,
because they're not showing any empathy towards anyone in the store. Yeah,
but it's complicated. Hey, So the story I was teasing
before one hundred and eighty ten eight two with your
thoughts on this. But a friend of mine's dad was
over in Melbourne on holiday and he was an ex
police officer and he saw some people robbing a store.

(24:47):
They ran out, and he saw them get into the
van and he ran over, jumped out of the family car,
climbed into the back of the van, beat the living
but Jesus out of two guys in the back, and
then poll axe the guy driving the car. The car
crashed into a wall. He then restrained all four people

(25:08):
in the car until Victoria police arrived and they, you know,
they took the guys away. And not only was he
not in trouble for that, and he was flying back
over and given a Bravery medal over there.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
What's his name, Jason Statham is Well, there's a lot
of studies, so he can I take this.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
There's a lot of stories about this particular ex police officer.
He is a great New Zealander. Yeah, but yeah it was.
It was a fully spectacular news making takedown. I bet
citizens arrest, but you know he was a retired New
Zealand police officer, so he didn't have any jurisdiction over there.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Got a great story. I one hundred and eighty ten
eighty CE number to call Rob. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (25:46):
Very good?

Speaker 14 (25:47):
Thank you, Hi to you both. I agree with what
Peter said. It's all about using reasonable force, and these
retailers could have training if they saw that appropriate. And
I think if you use excessive force then you have
to accept those consequences, and I guess the police are
termine that. But I've been interested in some more of
the finicky things in it. And I don't know whether
this side mentioned a trolley full of sets. If you're

(26:09):
the retailer, how do you determine whether it's over a
thousand dollars?

Speaker 7 (26:12):
Not?

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yes? Like that old TV show Supermarket Challenge. Do you
remember that where you had to work out how much speed?

Speaker 14 (26:19):
But but you even't got time and offense leaving in
haste to determine that. And another one is the ingredients
of the offensive theft and the Crimes Act. At no
point is nighttime, daytime, nighttime, daytime.

Speaker 11 (26:31):
Mentioned in that.

Speaker 14 (26:32):
And I think that's deflection because I think you've got
a right to protect your property and your person, and
I don't think it's just irrelevant whether it's daytime or nighttime.
And I think by doing that sort of stuff, you're
deflecting off the issue of the depth of my property.
And I've got a right to protect that. I've worked
hard for it, and I think I think the problem
of getting into that daytime, nighttime stuff is it could

(26:56):
creep slowly into other offenses that you can't do citizens
arrest on with other offenses because it's nighttime. And say
I'm leaving the supermarket, it's ten PM, and I see
a sexual assault occurring on in the car. But am
I going to be saying, Oh, can I do a
citizens arrest on this? Oh no, that's just that's just theft.
Oh no, no, yes I can, or do I let

(27:17):
their friend to continue?

Speaker 2 (27:19):
That stuff's irrelevant and it's odd that they don't take
into account. So example, if someone was in your house,
you come home and someone's leaving your house with goods
under a thousand dollars you know, if you can, you're
going to stop them from leaving. You know, you're going
to use force on that person.

Speaker 14 (27:36):
And I'll tell you what the overlayer there is if
you're a female. If you're a woman, you're not just
thinking they're setting stuff. There's just so many other elements
off you're female. And I'll tell you what. If I
saw someone offending in whatever form and it was a
crime zech offense, I would intervene. I would do something,

(27:57):
even it's distraction. I'd love protecting property in person.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
I'd love to think I would. I'd love to think
that I would do the right thing. I'd foot trip
the person running away, or i'd you know, pick up
the chair and whack them around the back of the head.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
But to prevent it, yeah, to prevent it sort of
merging into vigilanteism. Would it make more sense that if
it's your property being stolen, you have more rights than
if you were just shopping at the supermarket. You see
someone steering and you want to take them down or
taser them, you know, kind of just it would be

(28:34):
clear legislation.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Citizen Tyler walking around with the taser.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
A bit far, But you know what I'm saying if
it was your tally that they're walking out with at
your home, you have more powers than just a bystander
at a supermarket or outside a jewelry store store.

Speaker 14 (28:51):
Well, no, I think if you can assist the retard,
if you set happening, you can assist. I think you
should because it's depped, it's step to stepped. It doesn't
matter it's in your home or in your garage or
you know, in the I don't know, in the dairy,
down the streets it is.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Theft doesn't work Societ. It doesn't work very well if
people can just steal stuff and you know the police.
The police can't be everywhere to stop it, obviously.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (29:16):
And the other thing is if it's dusk or how
do you tim if it's dusk, is that nighttime or
is it daytime? But I can guarantee you by by
the time the underresourced please get there, it'll be dark,
there'll be nighttime. Is it's still a defense yea. You
know citizens are restable.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Thanks so much for your call, Rob, So you know
if you go to the Crimes Act. So, just to paraphrase,
can a store you know, stop someone from leaving if
they're thinking if the store owners thinks that they've been shoplifting,
it's not Usually shop staff for security stuff can only
forcibly prevent a shoplifter leaving the shop. On two kinds

(29:50):
of situations, expensive items if there are one thousand dollars
or more, and nighttime between nine pm and six pm.
In these cases, the shop staff is security guard would
be carrying out what's called a citizens arrest, and they
can use reasonable force to hold you. However, they still
don't have the rights to search you or your bag
without consent.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
I mean, as Rob said, that really makes no sense
to clarify between day and nighttime, does it? How would
that make its way into the legislation.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Does someone know the logic on that? Why that would
ever come into it that there's different rules at nighttime.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
If you know, we'd love to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call quick text to the break.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
It's also worth noting, says as text of the subject
of a citizen's arrest can legally resist the arrest until
the current law. Under the current law, ah, so it's
worth noting that the subject of the citizen arrest can
legally resist the rest.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
So like you're yeah, that's why you got a hog
tie them?

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah every woman that mate, Yeah, they can resist your
citizen's arrest.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah yeah, very true. Right, We will take a quick
break and back with more of your calls very shortly.
It is seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
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Speaker 3 (31:09):
Good afternoon. It is fourteen to two. We're talking about
citizens arrest legislation. There are calls to strengthen it, and
we will find out more at the end of this week.
But is it a good idea to allow more power
to citizens.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, well, in particular, we're talking about stopping people from
stealing from stores. Hey, guys, years ago, I was responsible
for looking after all of the new market car dealerships.
Me and my trustee German Shepherd busted a guy stealing
a large American flag, so I try. I tied my
dog to the pole. To the police arrived. My dog

(31:43):
got a reward of dog biscuits. Good, good boy, Okay,
good dog.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
It sounds like the dog was the citizen arrested in
the scenario, No one, no.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Way, anyone gets charged for smacking someone over robbing your house.
A farmer who effectively kidnapped a team called and back
up and then proceeded to chop off his finger was
found not guilty. That was a complex situation, wasn't It
was that the poi poi situation.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, it was, yeah, the farmers, and they are quite right.
The jury found them not guilty. Uh, it's got to
the phones, Pete.

Speaker 15 (32:11):
How are you get the many entirely year.

Speaker 16 (32:14):
It's that somebody just now out two words for them
read they just scumbags and low lives. It's still from people.
So it's that simple. Like you go over the seas,
I'm all for the citizens device and make it tougher
for them. We get tougher on them if the security
guards at the supermarkets wherever they're gone up. But you
go over seas, you go to the band, you go
to Singapore, the crime is listen to your talkback show

(32:36):
quite a bit.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
They you feel safe.

Speaker 16 (32:38):
There is no crime hardly there because they get dealt
with quick. It's all we have to do, is that
what they do over the seas problem goes away because
end of the day is we're two lives in this country.

Speaker 11 (32:48):
We all know that.

Speaker 16 (32:49):
So this this groceries get stolen at the supermarkes, we're
paying for that. So if I was a supermarket, I
saw something willing, how to grow a trolley full of groceries?
Well not even if I don't get there's only one
item in there stolen one of the ladies at the
supermarket the product, and they don't have purity guards. Something
thought they would have got to pay for the security guards.

(33:12):
So when the ladies said they're stealing, I'd do my
best to try to stop them. And hopefully those people
at the supermarket where they are stealing from that, hope
they've got enough sense to call the police. They are
on their way, so just try to stop them before
they steal the items. The police get steal their deal
with us, that's not hard. I'm reasonably strong, so I
can't go after myself. So there's no way I'm going

(33:34):
to let someone just roll on out and put it
in their car and drive up. I will do my
best to try to stop them.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
So length yeah, so that's what I was going to say, Pete.
So maybe you see someone's robbed jewelry store. They're sprinting
out of them all. You're standing right there, you've seen
what happen. Are you going to put out an arm?
You're gonna put out a leg?

Speaker 16 (33:55):
Yeah, I try to drop them up. They're gonna be
very key. There are some nasty little people out there.
They will be through the word again. Scumbags. They do
it some of our arm now that the police will
probably will say, be weary. They can pull a knife
out on yours and gym and.

Speaker 11 (34:06):
You want there.

Speaker 16 (34:07):
And and I saw the skyes at the pepolon a
running the balls, and the sky is pushing these people around,
older people, and he had this overcoat on, and I
just spacely went up to him. I said, well, it's stop.
I space He said to him, don't push old people around.
Next man, he just pulled a speed fleck knife A
little lot from.

Speaker 11 (34:27):
That, So I backed off, really cracked.

Speaker 16 (34:29):
I wasn't going to spend my time and papalone or
in the Spanish hospital.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, sense that sounded like a bit of a fever dream. Actually,
man with an overcoat at the people are running of
the ball on people.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
There's a lot going on there. My son works in
a tool shop at Bunnings. They had no people are
sticking expensive tools under their jumpers and can do nothing
about it. Cost these read Taylor's millions, and we pay
with high prices. Store owners should be able to do something.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, absolutely, West, And how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (34:58):
Good guys are just telling you you do there before?
And I had the experience on Valentine State and think
I had a couple of other experiences on Valentine today,
but we won't talk about it. It was walking around
doing the walk of shame, you know that men do
while their wives are in shopping. Came back through the
doors and still this guy at the lingerie shot, which

(35:18):
I thought, okay, one of three things. He's either buying
something for his partner, he's a perv, or he's going
to steal something. He took the number three, just grabbed
our whole heap of lingerie and I went on that
we're not having that. So I took off, grabbed them
and said, oh you can put those back. Some choice
words were, you know, shared between us, and I just

(35:39):
basically grabbed them off and I said, what's in your back?
And he goes why, I said, what's in your bed
because there's more in their mate, you're going to return
that too, So he tried to put the bag over
my head. We had a little bit of a you know,
to and fro, and then basically, you know, he shed
some more words with me and off he went. So
I told all the stuff back to the store. They
had absolutely no idea that had happened. And of course

(36:01):
I've been dealing with people inside it that they can't
see what's going around the whole thing. So people like that,
you know, have this opportunity and they take it.

Speaker 7 (36:08):
You know.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
Apparently the guy had been going around the pharmacies and
stealing the stealing the smellies and all the fragrances as well,
so you know, he wanted to have a go. I
was quite happy to step in and help him through that.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
You a big fellow, wisdon Oh reasonably so.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
But it's not always how big are it's what your
what skills that you have, if.

Speaker 11 (36:28):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah, And so at no point in that you were
worried that you might get yourself in trouble for effectively
using force against a you know, another citizen.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Stand me before the man, Let the people speak. Man,
that's the way I look at it. I mean, I
wouldn't have deliberately. Look if it come at me and
I seriously had to defend myself, I'd do what I
needed to do, whether I had had the upper hand.
I don't know what that guy's skill set is either,
but it was a calculated riskis willing to take. But
you can't have people like this to just take what

(37:01):
they think is there is without you know the hard
work that goes behind living these days, and you know
the stores as well as we say that all of
this has passed on to us in some way or another.
So I'm not saying everybody should step up and do it.
But if more of us did, and you felt confident
enough to do it, or you were in numbers, whip
and we'll do it. Yeah, these scumbags will get away
with it on a minute by minute, hour by hour basis.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, and it's not on. So thank you for you,
Paul Weston, and good on you.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, weird stealing woman's undies.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, creepy as well as scrip. Come on, man, come on, man,
I know you're stealing and you're a scumbag anyway, but
come on, there's levels of scumbig.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I mean, well, you know you want to be a
creepy scum big. You're not stealing a loaf of bread
to your kids, You're stealing honor amongth sundies.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
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is eight minutes to two. Beck very surely, maddies.

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Speaker 2 (38:16):
It's weird. So you're already allowed to full tackle and
slam streakers at sports games? Yes, that is, but that's
to do with the contract that you sign when you
buy a ticket. So you're going in and there's certain
details on a ticket that says that you won't go
on to the pitch. But it seems to me that
there's a social contact tract or a legal contract when

(38:38):
you go into a store that you won't leave with
stuff that's not yours. So maybe maybe kind of called
the law, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (38:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, Matt and Tyler. I work out a major electronic
store and we are not allowed to physically stop shoplifters.
The cops don't come when phone, so not much we
can do to stop them.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Craig.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, well that is a sad state of affairs.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I mean, yeah, I mean that's the thing is like
you are, you know, you are working in a store
behind the counter selling stuff. You are not also trained
to strain people until the cops arrived, you know, But
I mean maybe you know, I guess this this, this,
this legislation or this this discussion is really about, you know,

(39:19):
security guards empowering them. Seen a shop in La priced
everything at nine hundred and fifty one to ave allow
our rest is over nine to fifty threshold discount supply
to check out. But the security as here need more power.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
That's clever. That is clever in La. Right, great discussion,
and thank you very much for all your phone calls
and texts after two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Oh yeah, we should say that we did try and
contact all kinds of people to discuss this issue, but
no one wanted to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
No, they are all keeping a low profile of vary points.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Legal people and people involved in the whole situation. Yes,
Tyler and I contacted on a number of people.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
We tried our best and will continue to try. Write
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Speaker 3 (40:08):
Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. It is seven
past two. Great to have your company is always Let's
have a chat about billionaires.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yes, so Peter Tail is winding down his New Zealand
business interests. He came over here, there was a lot
of publicity about it. He tried to build some stuff
in Queenstown, was turned down. He was initially talking and
there was sort of excitement that he be able to
bring a whole lot of tech investment into the country,
which didn't seem to really happen. He had some interests

(40:39):
in zero but yeah he's gone. He's a billionaire that
is upsticks and all he's got is the New Zealand
passport now.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah, so whatever you feel about Peter Till, he could
have brought a lot of investment into the country, right.
He is a power player in Silicon Valley. He's been
involved in some of the most valuable businesses on the planet.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
He was the first outside investor into Facebook, which he
made a lot of money. He was there with elan Musket,
PayPal Palanter Technologies. He's done a lot of stuff. But
for whatever reason, we don't know for sure, but we
certainly didn't invite him in with open arms. People were
furious at him. We've got James Cameron. He's a billionaire.

(41:21):
He lives down near Wellington and he's doing a lot
in the country around the movie industry, bringing people in's
investing a lot of money and technicology around the whole
Avatar films. He's good mates with Sir Peter Jackson, but
he's sort of piping up politically now. Yeah, the question
we want to ask is, should we do everything we

(41:43):
can to get billionaires here? Should we bend over and
make it so much easier for them to do things
because the potential that they can bring to New Zealand
and the investment that we need in New Zealand and
the next and you know, just on the level of
the houses they build and the stuff they have around
their houses before they start companies here and before they

(42:05):
change you know, industries here or should they be treated
just the same as everyone.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
I think it's always good to have high value net
worth people within a country. It always seems to work
out pretty well for that country. So should we completely
bend over backwards. I don't know about that, but we
should absolutely make it just as lucrative and worthwhile for
them to be here than any other country, because I
believe we are pretty far down the pack in terms

(42:31):
of making it easy for investors to come to this country.
Right there is some legislative changes going through Parliament very soon,
or at least the act Party wants to push them through.
But when you have billionaires coming into a country and
investing significance amount of money, isn't that a good thing?

Speaker 6 (42:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:49):
At one point he had a Peter Tail had a
one hundred ninety three hectare block of farmland on the
shores of Lake Wonica that he bought in twenty fifteen,
but it remains completely undeveloped. After long contested plans to
build a partially underground large and meditation retreat, these were
declowned declined by the Queen Sounds Lakes District Council, a

(43:12):
decision that was later upheld on appeal to the Environment Court.
Let him build his underground bloody meditation center. If he's
then garness, you know, kick start our tech industry. How
that would be the logic, wouldn't it.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
It was pretty subtle the way it looked, right, I mean,
I'd love to see the grounds on why it was
turned down. I mean, if it was because it was
an ugly eyesaw and was going to ruin the view
of the remarkables, maybe maybe, But if it was partly underground.
But yeah, I mean you look at the likes of
easy you say, James Cameron, But Bill Foley another billionaire
who has invested a lot of money into New Zealand.

(43:49):
His latest investment is the A League, of course, but
he's been involved in wineries and has made New Zealand
as second home. But that has been incredibly successful and
beneficial for the New Zealand. But for some reason, when
it came to Peter Taylor, we singled him out as
a billionaire we didn't want.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, people were very anti Peter Tail, weren't they. So
you've got James Cameron who's piping up about things down
in Wellington and getting into it a bit of a
dispute there with David Seymour and directly, so how much
do you listen to James Cameron because he's a billionaire
and he can do a lot for our economy, and

(44:28):
how much do you not annoy him so he runs off?

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
It's a kind of a weird question, isn't it, Because
you'd like to think that we go, well, everyone's equal
in this country and everyone should be treated exactly the same,
but it's not really that way the world works.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Yeah, there's always been rules right the Overseas Investment Office,
and as we mentioned, they are looking to change it
to make it easier for high net worth individuals to
come to this country. But there's always been that barrier
to say, if you spend ten million dollars year, we
will crunch your residency. If you spend fifteen million dollars year,
So there is always a price. As you say, it's
the way of the world. But why when we've got

(45:07):
the likes of Peter Teal when we said no to
his particular mansion down in Queenstown and he's decided no,
I'm done with New Zealand Now, is that really good
for the country overall? Love to hear from you on
this one oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The text
number is nine two ninety two. Some great texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, and look, what do you think of Peter Teel?
We're interested here in that because there's a lot of
thought on that coming through.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
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Speaker 1 (45:33):
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Speaker 4 (45:44):
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Speaker 3 (45:49):
Very good afternoons. You quarter past two? Are we too
protectionist and a little bit of afraid when it comes
to billionaires coming into the country to invest and they
have to invest quite a considerable amount of money to
be granted residency. That is part of the deal as
it stands.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, because Peter Teel's upstick to Tony's off, and of
course he was the first out investor on Facebook, had
a lot of money, you know, hugely entrepreneurial, entrepreneurial individual.
Did we just make him feel as unwanted as we
possibly could? And now he's run off to spend his
money elsewhere it seems to be that way, and was

(46:25):
that a wise thing to do? Order someone's politics as
just just defined by you and defined by the media
in New Zealand? Does does that make them unworthy of
spending their money here?

Speaker 11 (46:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (46:37):
You know.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty nineteen nine two is
the text number. Let's go to the phones, get it on.

Speaker 13 (46:45):
Well, you just pick up on that comment, and then
he said, what do you think of Peter till I
heard them? I just discussed this to your producer. I
heard them on the ps Morgan show. That was high
tech stuff that sets in relationship on Muskin and all
the science and technology. Well, I helped data documents for

(47:06):
the Ministry's science and one of the documents said science
will save New Zealand. But his first point was he said, well,
science is not all that it's advertised to be. Literal words.
Someone can check it out on the Piers Morgan Show.
And then, as Morgan does, he asked some of these
people do you believe in God? And he said, well

(47:26):
I do, actually, he said, and I believe in Unless
you believe in Jesus, you can't have anything other than
a fuzzy concept of God. He said he's a Drinidarian. Well,
I mean they don't know whether statements like that, whether
or not. You know you were saying, was that the
rub ups political reasons? Did he rub people up the

(47:46):
wrong way? Who knows? I mean, because investment, it's all
about risk and the whole lot of economic factors, which
is an economist that could go into.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
But you know, none of that saying that, none of
that seems to rule him out from being a person
that would want to take his investment. You know that,
you know that doesn't How does those things roll him
out as being a person we want in our country?

Speaker 13 (48:09):
Well, I mean that's just it. I mean maybe who
knows that'd be the question would when you say, well,
you know, what was it? But I mean, if it's
just a manner, if he just wanted a house here,
and were your other comments said, well he only wanted
to build this mansion and they said, well no you can't.
Well if that's all, well that's all is it's just gone, Yeah,

(48:33):
Well I.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Think you wanted to do more down here initially. And
who knows, We don't know whether it was the frosty
reception he got here or not. But he initially was
talking up about how he could, you know, pump up
the tech sector in New Zealand, but that didn't happen.
And I just wonder if we Nicholin dimed in too

(48:53):
much on his associations with Trump and his whatever beliefs
that you know, you're pointing out there that he said
on the Piers Morgan Show. I just wonder. I wonder
if that's important or whether we should, you know, just
look at what he can do for our country as
opposed to yeah.

Speaker 13 (49:13):
Yeah, questions.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Fair enough to thank you very much, I'll watch that.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Don thanks for that.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
But even Peter Tailor and other billionaires aside multimillionaires for example.
I mean, there are some changes being pushed at the moment,
changes to the Overseas Investment Act, which will make it
easier for those high wealth individuals to come to the country.
And I think that we we absolutely have to do that.
You have to do that to compete with other big
economies around the world, right because you know, if you want,

(49:41):
if you're from New Zealand and you've got enough money
and you didn't you need that much money, and you
want to go live in the United States or Canada,
or the UK or certainly Australia. It's pretty easy. We
seem to have a lot more hurdles in the way
for these very wealthy people to come here, set up
shop and hopefully employ people and be good for the economy.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah. Well, well, you know, and speaking of another billionaire,
was were before James Cameron. He's just been talking about
that in Wellington, isn't it. Through the media he sees
we can influence. We can also we are also a
capital so we can influence what happens at the national
level through our attitude to try to make this case
of the time. People think it's like a subsidy, but
it's not. It's an investment. When productions come in from

(50:20):
the outside, they bring cash in and directly infuse it
into the local economy. And you know, he's talking about
the industry being helped out a little bit more. He's
also got some problems with parking and Wellington as well. Yes,
but should we listen to James Cameron Moore because he's
James Cameron. He has the ability to bring a lot
of investment into the country and a lot of productions,
and he suddenly has with Avatar.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, good question. Oh eight hundred eight this.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Texas is Peter Tell has headed back to Trump run USA.
He hated Biden and Harris, he knew there were crooks,
so he was over here. Now he's gone back since
that's according to that's according to Rob.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Just on your James Cameron question, I think it's fantastic
that he clearly loves this country and he's invested a
lot into it, and he's boughd a farm that is
employing people. And as you say, he is bringing big
film productions into the country and bringing investment here. But
I couldn't give stuff what he says in terms of
about politics. He is more than welcome like any other
citizen to say what he wants to say. But just

(51:20):
because he's James Cameron doesn't change my mind. I mean,
it's very good that he's coming here. I think we
should welcome people like James Caeron with open arms and
say coming to the country and be proud of it
and invest here. But I don't care if you want
more cycle ways.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah, but but yeah, okay, maybe on that issue. But
James Cameron certainly knows a lot about getting movies made,
and he's made three of the top four biggest grossing
movies of all time, so he certainly knows about that industry.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Listen to him about the film industry, not about cycle.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Lanes, well exactly. So should we have listened to Peter
Teel about the tech industry?

Speaker 11 (51:53):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Or should we just concentrated hard on his politics? That's
really I guess my question. Lisa says New Zealand is
the most unwelcoming backward country in the world. That's my
view on the way we treat successful people. I think
it's just stupid, That's what Lisa says. Are we unwelcoming?
Are we suspicious of success? Do we nickel and dine

(52:13):
people too much on their politics when all we want
to do is rinse them for cash and rents them
for knowledge and rints them for new industry In New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
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to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
It is twenty one past two.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk V.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Very good afternoon to you, and we're talking about billionaires
within New Zealand. This is on the back of US
billionaire Peter Tail. He is winding down most of his
business interests. So the question put to you is do
we want to rinse those billionaires for all that sweet
billionaire money or do we want to close up shop?
And so you're not welcome.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah, and look, there's no way to no two ways
to put it. We weren't very friendly to Peter Tell.
The media, wasn't the resource consent and the environmental court.
We went very friendly to his plan in near Wonica
on the Lakes of Wannica. This Texas says that wasn't
an underground mansion, that was more like an underground layer

(53:21):
of harvesting blood beneath the surface surface. Now I need
to see more evidence that Peter Teal's a vampire. I haven't.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
I've heard the stories, heard the rumors.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
That's one of the accusations that he's facing.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
There is a lot of sundown here.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Peter Tail was ostracized for his connection to Trump when
it was popular to be a Trump hater, and keeping
Monaca made it incredibly difficult to build a house. So
finally he got annoyed and left, leaving our silly little
country that's from Rangy. Interesting, all right, John, welcome to
show your thoughts.

Speaker 10 (53:52):
Yeah, good afternoon. There's a rule of thumb. My particular
interests in development economics, which is said brand should be
dismal science, which looks at how nations raise their living standards.
And I've written a research to it of quite a
few years now. But the basic rule is this that
foreign investment can never substitute for domestic capital, right right, Okay.

(54:19):
A nation which is genuinely determined on its own economic
betterment will have no problem in accumulating and generating all
the investment capital it needs. There is no such substitute
for domestic savings. And if we were generally determined on
economic progress, our governments success of governments would have engaged

(54:44):
in a process called savings mobilization. We see this when
nations are a desperate straits. For example, during World War Two,
the government appeal to housewives for all their aluminium pots
to make spitfires for the pad center. Governance go to

(55:07):
great length. People can go to great leagus if they're
genuinely determined on something to accumulate the resources. The problem
is this is that there's only one way new Zealand
will achieve prosperity, and that's by becoming an export powerhouse. Okay, Yeah,
all of hincob nations that are leap from New Zealand

(55:31):
are export powerhouses. You've got the formula, you've heard, the
formula they beat and plug into the world, the seven
word formula. That's the key to New Zealand's future.

Speaker 7 (55:45):
Right.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
But but John, say, if you have a billionaire, such
as a billionaire of film and distry, a guy like
James Cameron, move here and become a New Zealand citizen
and have all his base here, then that's what we're doing.
We're really exporting to a certain extent movies to the
world that we wouldn't do if he didn't become a

(56:08):
sit of of our country and build his industry down here.

Speaker 10 (56:13):
No no, no, no no. To achieve rich and the
crest nation status, we're talking about a massive expansion of
New Zealand's productive sector. Ideally, New Zealand would need three
or four fortune five hundred companies earning tens of billions
of dollars an export revenue a year which w's come

(56:33):
from film industry, ear any of these other given ideas.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
If you will.

Speaker 10 (56:39):
We've got to have a rock solid productive base like
all these other countries, and we simply don't have that.
After nineteen eighty four years of economic reform, we've got
to where we are today. That is a downhill, low wage,
dispirited agricultural export nation, devoid of all future prospects.

Speaker 11 (57:02):
Riot.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
But there's one side of the equation, isn't it John.
If I look through some of the wealthiest countries in
the world, World, the US, Singapore, I know, you know
a lot about Singapore, Germany, all of those countries have
pretty fair foreign investment rules as and if you want
to buy a house in those countries you can pretty easily.
You cannot in New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (57:26):
All these other nations, nor the nations they do not
allow immigration Perriet. You can't in New Zealand. You can't
go another Norway or Denmark. In either of these other countries.
They take a vast and different attitude to what we
do in New Zealand. They're world class health systems, social
security and all the rest of it, all the rest
of it, their high living standards. They are for the

(57:49):
exclusive use and enjoyment of their own citizens.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Yeah, okay, so, but you're saying, right, So what you
want to happen in New Zealand, So we become an
incredibly successful exporting nation. And I guess that's more than
just primary goods being sent over sea. It's a industrial
factor on that. And what you think we can do
that without overseas investment, Well, this has been.

Speaker 10 (58:17):
The experience in every other developing nation. You mentioned Singapore
for example. For sure, in the early days they did
encourage foreign investment greatly that they encouraged labor intensive industries.
And this Leekwan you who famously said in nineteen sixty five,
we have nothing to offer the world except for the

(58:37):
sweat off our backs. Now they encourage the establishment of
Singapore of labor intensive industries. That leequan new per line
the people's wages and put them with a central providence fund,
and he ensured that all of that money went back
into the productive sector. Now see where Singapore is today,

(58:59):
It's leap for New Zealand. Today, Singapore spotlessly clean, crime free,
and now the world's third high as per capita income,
and it's got absolutely no resources. It even has to
import its own tap water. By twenty fifty, it's predicted
that Singapore and per capita income will be the richest

(59:20):
nation on the planet. Here's where the problem is, because
New Zealanders do not like to be honest about these things.
In my experience, Compare Singapore as I've described it with
contemporary atraw in New Zealand and tell me who's got
it right and who's got it wrong. I could know
any other number of countries which a leap frog New Zealand,

(59:41):
and without exception, they've all taken a very different path
to what we have in this country.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Well, would you know that Singapore is in a particularly
good position to run a port? I understand they have
about one hundred and thirty thousand ships stopping there the year.
We're not in a very convenient place for people to
set up a port like that.

Speaker 10 (01:00:02):
Of course, of course, geographically New Zealander is tailoring Charlie.
But we have to fato our own streets develop entirely
new areas of what's called dynamic comparative advantage. And one
example is research and development expenditure. The laws of economic
success are written in Stone. We spend one percent of

(01:00:24):
GDP on R and D, you know, and throll five percent.
Have a look at intral no friends, no resources, hated
by everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
But that therein lies the problem. John, and I know
what you're going to say, that we should be investing
our own money into research and development, but we don't
have that money. And that's where foreign investment can come
into play, right, that they help us invest in these
industries and these startups that we build in this country.

Speaker 10 (01:00:51):
This is a very point I'm trying to make that
a nation and New Zealance position, if it's generally determined
on its own economic dotment, it should have no problem
engaging what's called a process called savings mobilization to accumulate
the necessary cap so we can build massive, entirely new,

(01:01:13):
massive export industries. Okay, we have to develop entirely new
areas of dynamic comparative advantage. But the problem in New
Zealand is quite simply this. I'm not convinced that economic
betterment is an override and uncontested national priority. The averfuge elander.

(01:01:38):
He knows that wageous in that conditions can be better
than other countries like Australia, for example, But as long
as he's got a three bedroom house and Papakura Hamilton niece,
Johnson Law sid he's happy, this house is worth a
million dollars and he's got a car with a stupid
personalized number of fate on it. Then he turns on

(01:01:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Yeah, push mine, you've said that. You've said that very well, mate,
and always love your passion, Thank you very much. That
is John's view, but love to hear yours. Nine to
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Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Do we need a junta to round the country like Singapore?
Because yeah, having that that an elected junta really helped.

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Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. And we're talking about billionaires
into New Zealand. Do we want them here or do
we not want them here? On the back of Peter Tael,
who is winding down his business interests and it is
fair to say we's worried.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
What's the opposite of rolling out a red carpet. We
put up fences and barriers and basically are in timemed
he got together and gave him the finger.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Built a massive trench and say jump over if you can.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
We basically said we don't like you, as what we
said to Peter Tail. Were we right to do that?
Josh your thoughts?

Speaker 6 (01:04:25):
Yeah, Hey, Maddie, Hey, I don't buy into this Peter
Tel thing. A look, I would say he's doing absolutely fine. Regardless,
he wasn't exactly rejected. I heard that you have to
actually live here to try and achieve what he was doing.

(01:04:46):
The longest he's been in this country to what I know,
he came over for four months, then he left, then
he came back for a month, then he left again.
So he's never actually really been here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Do you think we did? You think he felt welcome
when he was here?

Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
In comparison to someone like James Cameron, you know that
guy lives here. He wants to genuinely build the industry,
you know, like he's actually his almost soul is a
vested than what he does.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
One of one of the great romances of all time
with him and Sir Peter Jackson and what they've done
down there of the music, the music industry, the film
industry is actually phenomenal, phenomenal.

Speaker 6 (01:05:37):
I wouldn't be pulling out the violin for Till because
you know he's planted seed.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Ye with Josh, we're not putting out the violin for Till.
We were saying, should we have been nicer to him,
so we could have milked him and used his knowledge
in terms of tech and had him set up businesses here.
That would have and that would have grown the wealth
of our country. I don't know. I don't have any
doubt that Peter tel which is fine. It's whether we

(01:06:04):
we just find without people like that coming here and
bringing you businesses to our country.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
You know, whether he was bringing new business here or
whether he wanted a wholesale buy out of the industry.
So you've got to you've got to be mindful of
that too, Like we don't want to hand over I
P for free just because somebody shows up with a
bunchet cash.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
I think he had more I P than we did.
That was that That's my point.

Speaker 6 (01:06:31):
Yeah, But do we know that?

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
Do we know that well?

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
He's been incredibly fact, he's been incredibly successful in tech
in a way.

Speaker 11 (01:06:39):
You don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:06:40):
He came over with tech, whether his own I P.
He's coming to invest money in something that other people
are doing.

Speaker 13 (01:06:49):
So that's.

Speaker 6 (01:06:52):
Your I P over for the capital.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
We're taking what I P.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Are you talking about, Josh?

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
So when we when we're talking about I T, we
have I T industry, we have people working on projects.
Now the speed bumper is the capital. It's not the
I P. The steed bumpers the money.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Well, no, I think it's both.

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
That's why you'd be asking what you are asking for
an investor.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
You want you want industries in New Zealand that have that,
that have their own i P growing out of you.

Speaker 6 (01:07:26):
So what was his solid new idea that he was
going to share with us?

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Again, well, who knows, but he.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
I thought he you know, brings in that capital, as
you say, Josh, because he is a VC. That is
what he's known for doing. And if he invests into
the startups here, and I suppose it would be up
to those startups to make sure that they got the
best deal out of that that they didn't give him controlling.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
And then you know the I P can just be
in terms of business now and how you make a
hell of a lot of money in the tech industry.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
I mean, I'm beginning to think about this a little
bit differently. I liked that last caller you had, that
that older, genuine John, fantastic. And what I'm thinking is
if we want people to invest, obviously we want to
invest in research and development, So why not create a

(01:08:19):
capital fund for people to apply for when they are
trying to build or do research. What the billins can
have is interest from money invested in that in that
in that capital There not the ownership or ip of
everything that we've brought to the table, because that's that's

(01:08:41):
a bit of a We actually don't know the ins
and outs of Heather Tell. He's doing fine. He's probably
seated a whole of the economic stuff over here, even
though nothing's happening apparently, and he will be coming to
and fro. We have to think about global citizenship. You
have to think about people who are going to be

(01:09:01):
operating within economy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
That's not what John was talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
No, and the high Pitte now, Josh, and it's just
the facts, and they're trying to change that legislation now
through the Overseas Investment Office to make it easier. But
there are startups out there right now that are longing
for capital New Zealand businesses, but because of that legislation
in place, it's incredibly hard for them to get foreign
investment into those businesses. But always good to chat mate. Oh,

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Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
B Good afternoon, and we're talking about foreign investment in
this country on the back of a billionaire Peter Teel,
who is now winding up his business interests in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Yeah, and I think people are getting a little bit confused,
is what we're sort of asking the question you're asking here.
We're not rarely asking what Peter Teel had or or
what he could have done. We don't know or what
his intentions were. I'm not sure what they were. He
wanted to develop some properly down and wannacer invested a
little bit in zero there was talk early on that
he could do a lot for our tech industry. But

(01:11:18):
the question is, should we roll out a special red
carpet for billionaires in the hopes that they will help
our economy grow. James Cameron's down fantastic stuff yep, with
the Avatar movies down there, what he's doing with weather
and Sir Peter Jackson and that whole film industry down there.
He's now saying that we should invest more in that market,

(01:11:39):
in that industry down that way. Should we listen to him?
Should we roll out a carpet? Should we said? Should
we have said to Peter Tail we love your mate,
and what if you want to do will help you
once you get here, will help you do what you
want to do? Or should we done what we did,
which was the media just said you seem like a dick.
I hope you leave.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Bill Foley was another billionaire who came to this country
and has invested heavily. He loves, clearly loves New Zealand.
A League is his latest venture. He's invested a lot
of money in New Zealand. Wineries employed a lot of people.
So billionaires at the stage haven't really bidden us in
the behind haven't they.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Well John Range before and he said that that's not
the way to make our country rich.

Speaker 8 (01:12:20):
What do you think, Peter, Well, he seemed to get
a pass wort very quick on the recommendation. I think
of a trade me steerholder. I believe some people are committed,
but if they do live here, they're I'm obligated to
pay New Zealand tax and if they are American citizen,
they also if they keep THEIRSSI ship, they're obligated to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 8 (01:12:46):
Yeah financially and if you look at where New Zealand
was with the first labor government that used state housing,
funding it by the Reserve Bank creating money from nowhere,
we actually had the highest standard of living and the
wealth were capital of New Zealand was more than anyone
else in the Ministry of Works wrote a book on

(01:13:07):
the subject Housing in New Zealand by Cedrics and basically
said putting money into housing was not really great for
the economy, so people could just live in somewhere without
going broke and or being homeless. So I think I've
lived in Singapore and they focus on low income people

(01:13:27):
having housing so they.

Speaker 6 (01:13:29):
Can afford to live there.

Speaker 8 (01:13:30):
But I think they sort of priced themselves off the market.
We had a discussion recently with a few friends and
they were saying a house in China is about three
hundred thousand, a house in Japan is about three hundred
thousand of same property in New Zealand's about six hundred
thousand plus. So you might earn less in some countries,

(01:13:51):
but the cost of living is more affordable than what
it is in New Zealand, so it's up to the
government to make it affordable. And you've got a fifteen
percent tax when you buy a new house with GST
a new build and if you're a local manufacture or
you import you both are treated equally in the sense

(01:14:12):
fifteen percent GST is added to the price you sell
it to someone who can't claim GST back. So really
New Zealand is not really offering. The best thing we
have is some clean air and some green spaces. We're
not overpopulated, and we're a long.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Away from the nuclear fallout as well.

Speaker 13 (01:14:32):
Well.

Speaker 8 (01:14:32):
That doesn't really make much difference. It still goes everywhere,
but so have been. Fifteen twelve hundred miles from Australia
is probably quite a good idea because they have water
issues coming up the future, and we need to be
independent defense wise and look after our own opportunities and
do our own opportunities. We're not relying on billionaires to

(01:14:54):
save mw zualm. A lot of billionaires are worth way
more than what New Zealand is, Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
When you talk about previous wealth that our country had
a lot of, that was because we had such direct
access to the UK market to sell our products directly
to them, and when of course the UK joined the EU,
we were cut out completely and that's when a lot
of our troubles started. Wouldn't you agree, Well, just on
what you just said.

Speaker 8 (01:15:20):
Apparently they considered New Zealand part of Australia and they
didn't give us stuff about Urica. They didn't And we've
sent people to die for World War One and World
War two. It was a shopping betrail and Britain fought
the war and you know, for their own economic interest
in New Zealand was where she goes, we go, you know.
And it's the same with you know, the former White

(01:15:44):
House administration where Biden went to New Zealand went. Now
there's a new administration where America goes, we go We're
just a anny little bunch of sheep that American papeteers.
That doesn't matter which party you go there, they both
agree whatever America says. The only time I can remember
there was a disagreement was when nuclear wanted to be

(01:16:04):
nuclear free. Apparently Margaret that you wanted to clear war
on news at the time or not physic coal war.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
But oh good.

Speaker 8 (01:16:13):
There was the guy who was who cabinet sectories coming
out with the book and she said, no New Zealand
during nuclear friend, they can't do that. And he had
a Kiwi pass not a British passport, and he got
a British passport very quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Yeah, well, thank you for your court, Peter. But yeah,
a lot of people that when we talk about when
we were doing really well in our country, that was
when things were very different. Low population, a lot of
primary resources being sold, a lot of wool being sold,
and a lot of sheep being sold to the UK,
and we did very well.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
So well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Now then they joined the EU and because we've been
doing that for so long, we didn't have any any
other ideas for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Exactly right, So we've got to play some messages and
then come back with more of your calls. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty. Teen eighty is the number of calls,
seven or three, the issues that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo XC eighty Innovation,
style and design.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Have it all you talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
It is four to three.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
I think we should let the billionaires in and cut
out the non contributing persons, take it on merit and
leave all the workers here that they need there we
go as young Kiwi. I don't want billionaires here because
they'll push up property prices. You probably would have been
competing with the billionaires properties, I think. Yeah, Peter Field
was up for pretty flash place. New Zealand tends to
be too environmentally and socially righteous and would sacrifice prosperity

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for the love of some frogs.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Yea, Yeah, good texts in good phone calls, Thank you
very much. I think, judging on the text primarily that
we've got coming in it is a big middle finger
to Peter til Yeah, that's right. See Lada, take your
billion dollars and go back to the US.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Yeah, don't be nice to billionaires specifically as well. Yeah,
seem to like James Yeah good movies. Great director loves
New Zealand's Yeah, Seymour doesn't like them right coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
After three o'clock. Should rescue helicopters be taking hunters trampers
dogs into the chopper if need be? A Maritime Rescue
Coordination Center says they shouldn't be, but we'd love to
hear your thoughts. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is an able to call? Nine two nine too is
the text number, News, sport and weather coming up. You're
listening to Matt and Tyler. Very good afternoon to you,

(01:18:32):
talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams
afternoon with the Volvo XC nineteen news dogs.

Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Well, good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show
Tuesday afternoon and been a good, grunty couple of hours
and this one, I imagine will be as well. Trampers
and hunters are being urged not to activate personal locator
beacons for their dogs. Maritime New Zealand's Rescue Coordinations Center
confirmed a few dogs we're rescued each year after their

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owner activated a beacon. But it's operations manager Mike Klulo
said whenever a beacon was used, specialist rescuers, including helicopters
and expert volunteers were sent by the center. He says,
I quote, these a valuable and limited resource, and while
we understand dogs are important to their owners, it is
equally important that rescue resources are available to respond to

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people whose lives may be at risk.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Yes, So the upside of this, as you're out in
the wilderness, you're out in the bush, your dog gets injured,
you're worried about it, you think it's not going to
make it out alive. You can't press the beacon to
get picked up. Yeah, or you shouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
It's a tough one, a real tough one. And all
I can see that far more than a situation that
if you, as a tramper or a hunter, gets injured yourself,
you set off the beacon. You've got a dog with you.
Sometimes they cannot take that dog. Wow, Really, there's no
room in the chopper for the dog. Well they might have, well,
you'd hope so. But sometimes there's a myriad of reasons.

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As I understand it. If it hasn't been muzzle trained,
so you can't put a muzzle wan it can't be
in the tropic because it's a danger. It might be
freaking out because.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
It wouldn't be great if it's you know, the back
of the neck of the pilot, would it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Yeah, So it's up to the pilot and the crew's
discretion about whether they take a dog. If they have
to pick you up, it's up to the crew to decide.
But that is a heck of a big call, because
I got to say. If I was out in the
back country with my dog and I got injured and
they said, we're taking you, but sorry, Pepper's got to
stay here, be like, well, I'm straining here too, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
And so what happens to you if your dog gets
injured and you press the emergency beacon and they turn up.
Do they not take the dog under those circumstances? So
they arrive and I guess they're arriving on false pretenses
that they think it's a human and jured. Should they
just leave the dog then or do they charge you?
I mean, I know that they don't like to charge

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people in these circumstances because it makes people resistant to
pressing the beacons if they you know, not sure that
it's worthy of of getting packed up. Yeah, but I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
That's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Yeah, it is a tough one. If I'd love to
hear from anyone that's been out in the bush and
has been has been rescued and has pressed the beacons,
and also where the people would press the beacon for
their dog. One hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine
two the number. Now it seems ridiculous because you know,
I've got a dog called Colin. He's a mini Schnauzer

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miks with a Jack Russell. Very good boy, terrible pig
hunting dog.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
He be good with rabbits. He'd get down.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Those little holes with I'd probably back the rabbits against
I'd beck the rabbits against Colin. But you know, boy boy,
if if he got injured, I'd do anything, anything, anything
to protect him. I mean, you just got to look
at the john Wick movies. What people the lengths people
will go to around their dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
I think he took everything down there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
I mean, I understand that the john Wick Movies is
under documentary, but.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
We love our dogs. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Yeah, if the last Hour proved anything, New Zealanders hate
overseas billionaires, but we do love our dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Yeah, I'll add one hundred eighty ten eighty if you've
had to set off a PLB and been rescued by
the rescue chopper, love to hear from you. And if
you are a tramper or a hunter that takes your
dogs into the back country, where do you sit on
this one? Do you accept that they may not pick
up your dogs if you need to set off your PLB?

Speaker 5 (01:22:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Well, this Texas says, for heaven's sake, dogs are family members.
Just charged for the rescue if animals are involved, say
one thousand dollars per dog. And this other one said
use your PLB for your dog, expect a ten k bill. Well, interestingly,
today I took my dog to the vet and he
had very little needed to do done to him. It
cost four hundred and twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Six dollars, so you know, cold's a big investment.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Yeah, I'll do that just because the skin's itchy.

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
I had.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love to hear from you on this one. Nine two
ninety two is the text. It is eleven past three
News Talk zed be good afternoon to you. We're talking
about the maritime Rescue Coordination Center who is urging trampers
and hunters with dogs in the back country not to
set off their PLB. They have advised that that service

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is for humans primarily, and sometimes they will pick up
a dog, but sometimes they will not.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Look.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Can I just admit right now that I don't know
much about pig hunting? This Texas said Matt Jack Russell's
are good pig dogs. They're quick and knit the back
legs until the big pretty much pretty much sits down. Sorry,
until the pig pretty much sits down. Steve Well, I
think the mini schnauser is doing a lot of the
heavy lifting in my schnack Jack Russell mini Schnauzer, because

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I think he'd run away from a pig. I've seen
him run away from seagulls.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Yeah, I don't know how how helly to do with
the boys.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
This Texas says, shoot the dog climbing the chop off
home for a beer. Happy days?

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Wow? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Is he's saying that the rescue people, should you arrive
in the holl cop shot the dog.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
That would take the decision out of your hands, wouldn't that,
Peter have.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
A welcome the show, your thoughts on this.

Speaker 17 (01:24:18):
If it's a dog, you give kist to get charged
for it, get charged for it, of course, Yeah, I
pay for your dog's maintenance.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Well, you raise an interesting point, Peter, And as Matt
said earlier, there's a good reason they don't charge generally.
But but if there was a membership, hang on, mate,
hang on, let me just finish my point and then
you jump in there. But if there was a membership situation,
and if you were paying into that membership, that money
went back to the rescue helicopter. As long as you're
a member, that means that you can get your dog

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picked up with you in case of an emergency. If
you're not a member, well then sorry, we can't take
the dog.

Speaker 17 (01:24:54):
Oh no, that's why I was going to ring up
and give insurance.

Speaker 10 (01:24:58):
Like you know, if you get picked up by.

Speaker 17 (01:24:59):
Saint John because you fell over on the pavement, you've
got to pay Saint John. So quite frankly, it should
be an insurance. If you go in the bus, you
should have insurance.

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
M hmm.

Speaker 6 (01:25:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Be interesting and you know you go, you go, Peter.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Sorry, and that's what your dog or bear like dog.

Speaker 5 (01:25:17):
No, I don't want to.

Speaker 6 (01:25:18):
Pay for it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Are you a Do you have a dog, Peter, Do
you have a dog yourself?

Speaker 11 (01:25:23):
No, I've got a couple of cats.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
But cats are very sick.

Speaker 17 (01:25:27):
I'm sick of it, every head sickond and being en
sure your pet. You know what's your pit worth for?
I reckon it's a grand? Anything more matter might will
be good bye cat.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
You're a tough man, Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
I would agree more than a grand and a cat.
I would agree with a cat any more than a grand.
But well, I mean I spent four hundred and twenty
six dollars on my dog just today.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, grand for a cat for a dog?

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Maybe true? Grand for a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
I tell it. I tell it that it's funny. You
actually raise an interesting point because I'm in a gray
area because I'm a dog lover. I love dogs and
and I I almost see them as humans, which is
odd and I know it's not not right. But I
would seriously judge someone that pressed their emergency location beaker

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for a cat.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
And Peter seek you for your call, Peter, Well, I
can tell you any of those pet insurance companies part
of that insurance deal is not a rescue job. But
for your dog.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
I can tell you that I love to hear from
someone that's you know, you know, operates in this in
this area, that's been on those rescues and has pulled
people out of the bush. What they would think about
about this issue, because I don't know, would you if
you weren't too busy, because they say, you know, and
in the situation, I mean, it'll be a terrible situation.
Can you imagine it where there's a person that's that's

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lost somewhere they press their PLB and there's a person
that's somewhere else and they press it for their dog,
and the rescue people have had to make the decision
of where they go. They arrive, pick up the dog,
and then the person dies somewhere else. Then that's when
you put it into a stark, stark sort of compromising

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I think most of us would go, wow, you need
to save the person. That the value of a person
is always going to be more than the value of
a dog.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
If you work in lands, love to hear from you.
Have you ever been in that situation? Because there's a
lot of hunters in this country and a lot of
trampers who hype with their dogs. For that matter, have
you ever been in that situation where you've had to
make the call that we can't take your dog for
whatever reason the dog's freaking out, or indeed, in that
situation the human isn't injured, and you say, we'll take

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your dog as well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Yeah, and also I love to hear from hunters on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty about this. I mean,
how do you feel about your dogs? You know you've
got you've got them risking life and limb out there
for you if you're hunting pigs, what would you feel?
Would you would you call the PLB to save your dog?
Is this the thing that any rational person would do? Yeah,

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you know, love to hear, Love to hear from you.
One hundred and eighty teen eighty or nine nine two
is the text number.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
Nineteen past three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on us dog SEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Good afternoon, twenty one past three.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
I'm taking a lot of heat on my statement that
you'd always pick the human over the dog. A dog
would die for you, would not leave you behind, and
I would not leave mine behind. Yeah, that's I mean, Yeah,
there's heats.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
That you'd be willing to take. I certainly am over
my dog Pipper. All the people say, you're numty, It's
just a dog. You can say that. I mean, I'd
pick my dog over you as a tick.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Three other week this Texas is shut up you two
dog lovers. My cat, Thomas, Trump's Colin and Pipper any day.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
Oh Thomas sounds like a yeah yeah solid cat.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
No no, no, no, got no time for Thomas. Welcome
to the show, pe. So you have personal experience in
this area.

Speaker 11 (01:29:11):
Well sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So well again, I've
been rescued. I've been rescued three times, and I've been
rescued four times. Three times. My dogs have been rescued
with me.

Speaker 17 (01:29:27):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:29:27):
The other time, I made the call and let my
dog go because it was too dangerous for It was
too fustly dangerous for the rescuers. It would have been
he would have rested his life more than he had
to wrestle his life to save me. So I had
to make a decision right then and there. That was
probably the hardest thing I've ever had to live with, mate.
I still think about that for today. But the reason

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why these these guys came out to rescue me. Is
because I thought my life in danger for my dog.
I wouldn't have been in those situations if it wasn't
for my dogs. I rest my life every time for
my dogs. They might them there, my kids made they're
the ones who need my beat, my family, and they're
always there out to protect me first. They'll die first.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
So can you can you tell us the exact sort
of tell us the story of that that situation if
you don't mind that you know the particular details of
of that that tragic situation.

Speaker 14 (01:30:20):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:30:20):
So, we were up in the climos. We were right
up in the combs, and I had a couple of bailers.
One of my dogs is sort of he got bailed up,
but he fell down. He ended up falling down the cliff.
And he we had we had, we had a big boy.
He was a big blue. He sailed up. My dog
ended up going it, but so hard he fell off
the cliffs. So I didn't give a shit about the

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pig after that. Sorry about the language. I didn't care
about the pig after that. I just went after my dog.
But my dog had probably fallen down about ten meters
down there. He had fallen ten meters down the bank,
and he had broken his back right on the rock
and broken his back, and I could see him down there,
but I mean, you know, he's like your kid made.
So I made my way down there. But as I

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as I'm making my way down there, especially now on
my grain i'm in the gorge, I can see it
starts filling up. I had made the call to be
rescued before I hid down, before I hit it down there,
And it took me about a good twenty minutes to
head on down there, to find my sleepless route down there,
and I thought myself in dangers to grab him my
time of the rescuers came to me, they found my GPS.

(01:31:23):
They they By the time they got to me, mate,
I was pretty much waste deep of water, and I
wasn't going to let that dog go. I wasn't going
to let him go. But I got saved. I got
rescued first. And he actually the rescuer. I remember his name,
his name of Stephen White. He was a forcing dude.
He went down and tried to rescue my dog again,
and I just said to him, looking, mate, I appreciate

(01:31:46):
everything you're doing for me. But that he's because there's
no knocking had done done for him anyway. If I
had got him up, I would have to shoot him anyway.
And that's the only time that I've ever put another
man in front of another man's protection in front of
my dog. Other than that makes my dogs are absolute
life to me.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
So in that position, when you pressed the emergency beacon
before you, so you you were in a bad position
at that point. So did you press the beacon to
save you because you needed to be saved or did
you press it because you were about to go down
into a dangerous area to collect your dog.

Speaker 11 (01:32:24):
I made I knew that once I go down there,
I'm going to need rescuing right it before I even
went down there, because I knew that I'm dead if
you're down there, if i'm if I don't get a
rescue out here, I'm dead. There's a hunter you can ask.
I guarantee you nine out of teen hunters of risk
their lives and the dogs, and I'll forget about the food.
I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
What was the name of that dog? If you don't
mind me asking.

Speaker 11 (01:32:48):
Brutus brutus, brutus, the barble beefcakes.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Brutus the barb Beefcake is seven my favorite wrestler.

Speaker 11 (01:32:59):
I love.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
He was so cool. Put the sleep, cut the hair,
get the shears out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
So fell with I take it. You still hunt now?

Speaker 11 (01:33:09):
Yeah? Yeah, I still hunt. Fifty five years old made
off So I still hunt now. And then I've just
got him back from I'm in the army and I've
just got him back from over the Ukraine's I'm going
out for a bit of a crest of me and
my brother in a couple of days.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (01:33:20):
And he's got a couple of dogs at the moment,
but yeah, I don't know. May might have to give
them a bit of a rev seeing how they go
down there.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Yeah, So with the dogs that you've got, now, when
you go out, have you got you know, if something
goes wrong with the dogs, but you're all good, you
can jittison yet your bag. Have you got like a
harness or something that you can carry them out if
need be?

Speaker 11 (01:33:43):
Oh no, not really mate. At the end of the day,
you don't really expect to put your dogs in a
dangerous situation. You would never do that anyway, And I
will always take the safest route and my dog's always
follow me. It's always the dogs that will put themselves
in danger. Before you put yourselves in danger. I will
try and rescue them. But it's not like I can
chuck a rope down to all them and he's gonna
grab it. I mean, you've got to go where the

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dog goes. And if the dog gets stuck, I mean
my mind time the seen. If my dog stuff's off
down of the bush somewhere, I'll leave my jumper there
for him and come back the next day. Usually he'll
be dead. Yeah, he'll come back to where I am.
But if affect dog's in danger, mate, and I know
he's in danger, I don't care what I'm doing. I'm
going to do my best to try and rescue that dog.

(01:34:27):
And nine times out of ten, and I do have
a rope or something on me, that's about it, mate.
It's not a rope, that's an me a rope or
something like that. Then I can harness up and I'm
going to get myself safety back.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Out to you.

Speaker 11 (01:34:36):
I'm not going to take a harness system with the
pullions and all of that sort of stuff. It's just
I'm at the end of the day, I'm on the
bush to do that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Yeah, Now, Phil, I've got a question for you. This
is a hypothetical. Say you have been injured and you
you press your PLB and you know, you know, they
arrive to rescue you and your dog's fine, but they say,
we don't have room to take your dog. We can't
take your dog, so you're going to have to They're

(01:35:05):
going to take you out, save you, but they haven't
got any room for the dog. What do you do
under those circumstances.

Speaker 11 (01:35:13):
I see a lot of you guys make up on
my way up. Me and my boy would be a
good m hm. I can understand that no way, no way,
in no way or that I'll ever leave my dog
alone if he can be helped, if he if he's
knowing you wrong with my dog. No, I won't take
the help. We honestly I won't take the help. But
then again I have never been in that position to
actually saying that, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was just a hypothetical. Hey, thank
you so much for your call, Phil, really appreciate it.
And good and good good luck out there and r
I P brutus.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
Yeah good dog, Yeah, thank you all right, mate, go well,
what a great call here of a situation to be in.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Yeah, so complicated it is.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
I can genuine say, I genuinely say I think I
would be in that same situation if I. I mean,
here's the problem with the PLBs, right, is that you
can't alert the rescue choppers and those guys do God's work.
They salute legends, and we'll be buggered without them. But
when you set off a PLB, you can't tell them
what's going on. You know, you can get the garment

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in reach. I think they call it where you can
at least send a bit of a text and let
them know the situation before they arrive. But just setting
off a PLB and I say they get there, I've
broken my leg and I've got my dog with me,
and they say we're gonna leave without Pepper because she's
freaking out over the chopper, and I have to then say, well,

(01:36:35):
you're not taking me either. That's a crappy situation for
everyone to be in. So maybe it's the PLB problem.
Maybe you need their garment in reach or whatever it is.
I don't want to give a plug for garment, but
the ability to just text and say I've broken my
leg I've got my dog. If you come and rescue me,
I need my dog with me or else, don't bother.
I'll try and get out myself, me plus dog, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Or dog injured. This person takes umbrage at Phil. I
think this guy thinks the rescue chopper as his personal uber,
no thought for the safety of the rescue team. And
there's there's a bit of pe people who the hell
puts themselves in danger then sets the alarm so he
can shoot his dog. Well, I'm not sure if that
makes sense what that person says. Well, you talk about
that the PLB things, which is the per personal locator Beacon.

(01:37:20):
Just in case you're wondering why Tyler's saying PLB constantly.
Friends of mine, you know, if there's any where friends listening,
we the term PLB means something different for us anyway,
that's a Hidaki thing. What about when the starlink starlink? Right, Yeah,
so you get the starlink, you get complete coverage over
the entirety of the nation, so you can ring up

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and you can give all the information at that point.
But if your dog's injured and you want your dog
to be taken out, you're not going to say that.
Are you You're going to go I need rescuing, you know,
so even the ability to give that full information if
it is the dog that you need saving, you know,
are you going to hand that information over knowing that
they might not come just for a dog?

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
It would take a lot. If Pepper gets injured and
I don't, it would take a lot for me to
set off the pace. I think I'd try to run
around there before I see it off, and I don't
say B. I'll be a lot right. Let's call it
the pistol and Locato Beacon.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
No no one's ever pressed a PLB for a dog
called Pepper. That just hasn't happened.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is anublic call. If you
have been in a rescue situation, love to hear from you.
And if you are an avid tramper hunter with dogs,
what would you do in this situation?

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
And I would just love to hear your stories as well.
You know about trouble that you've got into hunting or
trouble that you've got in tramping. And I love to
hear from you know, those those absolute heroes that rescue
people and what their thoughts on this because that's a
that's a very interesting thing. You turn up and it's
the dog and not the human. I mean, are you

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angry at that point?

Speaker 7 (01:38:54):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
And it might be a hypothetical situation, but we'd love
to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean and we're talking about
being rescued by shopper. Story in the Herald about some
people setting off their personal locator beacons when their dog
is injured rather than a human being, and that is
discouraged by the Rescue Coordination Center, but love your Story's O.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty today, Anthony.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Welcome to the show. You have been in a tricky
situation hunting with dogs.

Speaker 15 (01:40:53):
Yeah, so I don't have dogs myself that I've been
out with mates that have dogs and one of them
was bored by a pig and it was in a
bad way and there was no thought of carrying it out.
We were probably three hours two to and after three
hours from the vehicle, you owner put the dog down
on the spot. There was no thought of hitting the
beacon because as as a tramp or a hunter, you

(01:41:15):
know if you hit that beacon that button, that chop
is coming to you and there's someone that's potentially in
a worse situation, so you wouldn't activate it for a
dog an equally on that front. A few were injured,
but I listened to the last four and he said
he would tell them to go away really tough. I
haven't been in that situation, but I think if you're
lying there in the middle of nowhere with a broken
leg and they say that they can't take the dog, well,

(01:41:36):
you're not going to get out on your own.

Speaker 11 (01:41:38):
So you would have to make that.

Speaker 15 (01:41:39):
Call, and you would have to put your animal down
or let it run free, because you wouldn't want the
dog to freak out and bite one of the chopper.

Speaker 11 (01:41:46):
Crew, etc. And then have a bigger problem.

Speaker 5 (01:41:49):
On your hands.

Speaker 15 (01:41:50):
And hunting dogs are there. Some of them are pets,
but they're also working dogs, so they're not not the
most friendly most of the time. They're in a certain
situation and if you're in a chopper, that's a pretty
foreign situation for a dog. And then there's the hunters
that the dog is a tall Yes, it can be

(01:42:11):
a family pet, but it's a tool when it's out
in the bush, and the sorry to say, but tools
can be discarded if required.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
So, Anthony, in this situation where that in that position, Anthony,
you know that you're talking about that situation where you
know the person you're hunting with put his dog down.
Was that an emotional thing for him? Was the Was
there a lot of talk about a bit and didn't
you know.

Speaker 15 (01:42:37):
Horrible situation to be in. You never want to put
down an animal. When I've put down family pets rather
than take them to the heat to be euthanized, I
do it. I do it because it's it's an animalist.

Speaker 11 (01:42:48):
But I do it quickly.

Speaker 15 (01:42:50):
But that's the same situation. If you're putting down an
animal that belongs to you, there's massive emotions involved in it.
Not an easy thing to do, but probably a necessary
thing to do in that situation.

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
Yeah, I mean just hearing you talk there, Anthony, and
it's you know, you made some very valid points, But
it would be unwise to hunt or tramp by yourself.
If you've got a dog, you want to have someone
with you, right, I mean, that's good advice, genuinely. But
if you've got a dog with you and you care
deeply about that dog, if one of you gets injured,

(01:43:22):
at least you've got hopefully another man to look after
the dog if you need to be chop it out.

Speaker 15 (01:43:27):
Now, there's plenty of times that you go out on
your own. So I'll go for a walk in the
bush to fine feeling the fine feeling down, or I
need to get away from society, et cetera. Or walk
in the bush is calming for the soul. And if
you take along your pit, whether you're the dog in
some trouble, well here and if you have a locator beacon,
et cetera.

Speaker 5 (01:43:45):
If you get into trouble, then you've.

Speaker 11 (01:43:48):
Got a way out.

Speaker 15 (01:43:49):
You don't necess well, you don't take into account the
dog most of the time. It's not something I always
think about, to be fair.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Yeah, So Anthony, to go back to that situation before,
So you said the dog was injured, but do you
think the dog would have survived if you had decided
if you know, you and your party had just id
to you know, bundle it up and tramp it out.

Speaker 11 (01:44:12):
Probably not right.

Speaker 15 (01:44:14):
Why the decision was to shoot the box because it
was in a bad way and just no thought around
adding a getting a helicopter to come up pick up
the animal. People, but there was someone else in trouble.
They're more important than the dog.

Speaker 11 (01:44:27):
Yes, that's the that's the tall mentality.

Speaker 6 (01:44:30):
It's at all.

Speaker 15 (01:44:31):
It's not a person.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Yeah, it's funny. I think the about a text I'm
getting mate, I'm getting for saying that, you know, a
human's always worth more than a dog. There's a lot
of people that disagree with that. There's a lot of
people in New Zealand that think that your dog is
is that important. Hey, thank you so much for sharing
your story, Antony, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
Thanks go well, Thank you very much. Oh eight hundred
and eighty and eighty is the number to call. We'll
get to a few more of your phone calls shortly.
But some great texts coming through as well.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
Tyler, you should stay in the bush and die beside
Pepper and not think about leaving your wife alone.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Yeah, well, I tell you, dear text if I come
back without Pepper. I mean, I'm sure I don't even
want to think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
Hey, guys, maybe the law to leave the dog behind,
but I'd put ten thousand dollars on the fact it's
never happened. This is New Zealand's we never leave a
man behind. Yeah, I mean that is a good point.
I wonder how often it would happen that they wouldn't
have room in the helicopter for the dog. And you
talk about like a dog that can't be muzzled, and
they're worried about what's going to happen, and you know,

(01:45:39):
a dog could be pretty freaked out in a helicopter.
But I don't know has it ever happened. I'd like
to hear has it ever happened? Yeah, that they've said, no,
there's only room for you, there's not enough room for
your dog. And so this is a different, slightly different
scenario where someone's been injured sets off the PLB, the
personal locator beaten chopper arrives to pick him up and

(01:46:00):
he's legitimately or her legitimately injured, needs to go home,
and the rescue people go, no room for your dog. Yeah,
I can't quite a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
If you can get in the helicopter and it's not
going to freak out, then I think you're right. I
don't think there'd be too many cases where that had happened.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
The sticks to Rix is eat the dog and heel.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Okay, that's really stipping it up.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
And I've never eaten a dog. Do they have special
healing abilities? I don't know, right well, I've traveled extent,
so they probably have eaten dog. I probably have. Yeah, yeah,
not not intentionally right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
So back to the rescue one hundred and is then
able to call eighteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
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Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
They'd be good afternoon quarter to four.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Well, men, Tyler, me and Tyler are dog lovers. You've
got your your humiliating little dog Pepper, and I've got
my heroic Mini Schnauser. If you Crustle called Colin.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
Feuds horroring the rescue helicopter and you said, yep, I've
hurt myself and my mate Colin, they'll be like, no problem.
Tell Colin. We're on our way until they get there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
Jet Rust someone saying that you can't ring with the
starlink at starlink once, as I was talking about before.
But yeah, maybe that's how. That's the way you get
around it. You have a you have a human name
for your dog, like Colin, so you go, Colin's injured,
Colin's not getting out, and then you haven't lied to.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Them, so I need I need to call Pepper Sally instead.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
And when they when they turn up, they go. Is
this column it's a dog? Yes? Anyway, it's interesting that
your caller wouldn't carry his injured dog three hours out
of the bush. There's this texture. What would have he
done if he'd got a pig carried it out? Surely
this guy's talking rubbish. Well yeah, I mean we don't know,
we don't, We don't have enough information of that. Actually
I could have asked. Have owned and worked with dogs

(01:47:48):
all my life, and they are still not humans, so
they get left behind no other option. Boy, it's funny
how this has ended up and dead dog chat. It's
not where I necessarily thought it would would would go
today for me. Shane, you're a pig hunter from the Corimandel.

Speaker 8 (01:48:05):
Yeah, and Coyler. Yeah, they're going to search and rescue.
I've been in search and rescue for all the ideas,
and I'm not active these days, but I'm an active
hunter still. I've been hunting for sixty years. I'm sixty five,
and you're just listening to Anthony the previous caller. He's

(01:48:26):
obviously not an experienced hunter at all. I mean, most dogs,
you know, they don't all of a sudden turn into
vicious dogs and they get out in the bush, the
animals that we all love and breed ourselves, and they're
part of the family. I've been around dogs all my life,
ever since I was born, and we don't own vicious dogs.

(01:48:48):
I wouldn't own one. I mean, we breed alone in
their naturally easy dogs to handle. There are vicious dogs
out there, but I wouldn't own one. And yeah, dogs
do go and choppers. I've spent plenty of I've done
plenty of searching and helicopters and name and I've pretty

(01:49:09):
much done it. So I can recall a time that
I had to rescue a couple of my dogs about
twenty odd years ago. They were about to drop a
teen eighty drop in this area. We lived just down
the valley there. We'd we were hunting there the day
a couple of days before the drop. Unfortunately, the dogs

(01:49:34):
went up. It's a very rare thing that happens. That
they chased this pagan had obviously chased it over a
bluff and the dogs got caught down and there. So
we actually had some tracking gear then, the old THO
track stuff then which we knew where they were. So
I went up there the next day. I didn't allow

(01:49:55):
my teenage boys to come up because it's pretty Yeah,
it was pretty bad country, and I had to sort
of cut a track up to get up above.

Speaker 14 (01:50:04):
Them and.

Speaker 8 (01:50:06):
Come back down the same area because it's like two
hundred put bluffs there. And I managed to get down
to where the dogs were because I had the I
was tracking them, got the ropes at the swing across
the waterfall because they couldn't get across, they couldn't get up.

Speaker 7 (01:50:23):
Out of it.

Speaker 11 (01:50:23):
I got them.

Speaker 8 (01:50:24):
I got them both out of there and they are
happy air.

Speaker 11 (01:50:27):
So I got out of there.

Speaker 8 (01:50:29):
But I'd hate to have thought a couple of days later,
when they dropped the teen eighty people, I heard someone
mention about shooting a dog. They put a dog down,
and that's what some people have done, and that's instant.
Whereas has anyone ever seen a dog die from teen

(01:50:49):
eighty that's that's that's ruthless, that's bad.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
He so, Shane, So you've said that you've you've been
in choppers and you've been doing you know, you've executed
rescues and stuff. How do you what would you feel
about the sort of the premise of this whole chair
if someone has pressed their PLB not for themselves but
for their dog, if you arrived at that, how would

(01:51:15):
how would you feel about the situation?

Speaker 11 (01:51:16):
Well, I wouldn't.

Speaker 8 (01:51:17):
I would not get the chopper onto rescue a dog,
you know, just to gain a bit of experience about
they shot a dog that Anthony said, they shot the dog,
put the dog down.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Well, I'd never do that, no, no, no, But I'm
telling you about I'm I'm describing a scenario. Say you
you because you don't know, you know the PLB has
been set off, You don't know the details of the
rescue at that point, right, And so you arrive and
you discovered that it's been set off not for a
human but for a for a dog as a rescue
a person that's deployed the resources and certain amount of

(01:51:54):
risk for everyone involved, how would you feel towards the
person that had set off that.

Speaker 8 (01:51:59):
I wouldn't be happy about it. I mean, as I said,
I'm just trying to go back to being I've got
both sides of the corner. And as a hunter, to
be honest, because most hunters carrying pigs out, like someone
just said, they carry aboody one hundred and fifty pounds
bore out. Most dogs aren't that big, so they can

(01:52:19):
carry them for hours yea. And then then the other
thing is if you go in there to rescue someone,
and I know it shouldn't be for a dog, it
should be for a person. But if the dog gets
left behind, the dog will track itself back to where
it came from from back to the vehicle quite often,

(01:52:40):
and they right. And these days, just about every single
hunter who's got GPS, so we know exactly where our
dogs are. That's interesting saying that because every dog who's
got GPS.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
That's interesting. Thank you so much for your call, Shane.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
Yeah, I think we can kind of put it to
bed that if you just said off your PLB for
your dog and you're perfectly fine. Yeah, clearly that is
bad bad form. But the tricky part, the great part,
is if you're injured and your dog is okay, you
set it off and demand that they take the dog.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
That's the hard part, right, Yeah, we'll Shane saying it'll
make its way home anyway. Yeah. So and that you
have tracking on the dog. So yeah, it's a it's
an interesting one.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
Certainly, is right. We'll take a few more calls very shortly.
It is nine to four.

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Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
It is six to four. Some great texts coming through
nine to nine to two gents. A few years back,
police training exercise just at the top, just lost at
their met that's all right. Ten years back, police training
exercise at well Indon Airport. Dog handler threw dog into
the chopper. Dog thought pilot was an offender and bit
the pilot. Chopper went up in the year it managed

(01:54:00):
to land safely. Since then, c double A have required
dogs in all choppers to be muzzled. Fair enough too.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Well, it's a high action situation, certainly is by all
means to take the dog. But send the owner a
big fat bill, says John. Easy answer, leave the dog
at home. They're not used for deer and goats. So
why pigs pick? Hunting with dogs and knives is barbaric? Okay,
well I'm in that's yeah. Okay, you're asking to people,
telling people how to hunt. Why not get medics to

(01:54:26):
sedate the dog before you put them in the thing?

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Potentially them I.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
It depends how ropy the situation is. In a Barry
Crump book, he had to chloroform a group of dogs. Okay,
all right, yeah, fair enough too.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
Right now, we have had a statement sent to us
by the Rescue Coordination Center and it says we understand
people's dogs are important to them and sometimes they may
accompany their owners if they are going into the outdoors.
Activating a Personal Locate Beacon should be limited to when
someone is in distress and they need urgent assistance. Whenever
a PLB is activated, the Rescue Coordination Center send specialists, rescuers, helicopters,

(01:55:02):
expert volunteers. These are a valuable and limited resource. And
while we understand dogs are important to their owners, it
is equally important that rescue resources are available to respond
to people whose lives may be at risk. Rescue operations
and remote locations and difficult to rain put responders at risk,
which we manage very carefully in the interest of saving
people's lives. It said that. It goes on to say,

(01:55:25):
in some instances, when possible, whilst undertaking the rescue of
people who have got injuries or in distress, animals have
been recovered. This is done on a case by case basis.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Okay, well, there you go. This person George says, I
got chopped off a house roof with my dog one
time in a flood, so that's nice.

Speaker 15 (01:55:44):
Here go.

Speaker 9 (01:55:45):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
And to bring it full circle quickly, Oh sorry, one more.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Guys, don't underestimate your Jack Russell. Mine was a rescue
city dog. Being a country lad, I wanted him to hunt.
So third time out dog is a pro. Already he
grabs a forty pound pig and won't let go. So
there you go. I've underestimated my dog.

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
Con Yeah, very good. It really enjoyed that chat. Thank
you so much for today. We'll do it all again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
Yeah, and we've got usd the Xpert with animal behaviorist
Mark Vitti.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
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