Full Show Podcast: 25 June 2025

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Hello are you great? You said us, and welcome to
Matton Tyler Full Show Podcast number one five two for Wednesday,
the twenty fifth June and the Year of Our Lord
twenty twenty five. Fantastic show today. Oh man, We've got
so many incredible stories at the end of people being
saved by choppers. That was really good. And in the
homeschool chat, those kids that came on slightly. I don't know,

(00:39):
like if you were cynical, there could have been a
bit of a no, I'm not going to say it,
say it. Wow, you know you're giving your school a review. Well,
your mum's around, but they seem very very keen on
their homeschooling.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, but you're right though. I mean, if your teacher
is standing right next to you and you're asked how
much do you like your teacher? How do you like
your school? I guess that sucks.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
It was smart kids.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Though, It's smart kids. And also the boy I really
loved the full in depth look into the whole beef
Wellington Mushroom Lady. It'd be really interesting to see how
that trial ends up. When the jury comes in with
a verdict. There's more and more people saying that she
might get off. Personally, I think she's pretty guilty.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, and a lot of people said that it was
a great discussion. They had deep dive.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Have they proved it.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:52):
Very very good afternoon. Do you welcome into Wednesdays show.
And it is a big show today. It is the
westp Chopper Appeal. It's on right now. And of course
they and we need your help to keep that thump
thump noise in the sky. It is a lifeline for
so many people who find themselves in trouble.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
And they are such great New Zealanders as well.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, we were lucky enough to go out and meet
a couple of them yesterday. It was yesterday or the
day before yesterday. You know, it was exciting. We had
had great chats to Vass and Callen and Emma out there,
and boy, oh boy did we punish them with questions.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, but got a simulator that was terrifying. Even though
it was a simulator. I was I was terrified that
I was going to crash the thing, even though it
was make believe and that was funny.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I was watching you ride that simulator and I was thinking,
this is kind of just a very flash video game.
You could do something crazy, but you were shaking.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I was loose on the stake, wasn't I that was
shaken around? And I felt a bit sort of earsick
if that's a thing when I first started. But old
mates that have brought it down, and just before we landed,
I had to be dragged out of the seat. So sorry, mate,
I hogged the simulator. I know you're waiting for your turn, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
But I mean it's not so much and it's typical
of you, Tyler, to make it about yourself, but you're
you riding around in a similation, a simulator for fun
as nothing compared to what these great people do helping
New Zealanders in trouble.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yep, absolutely, so to donate and today's day, go to
Chopper Appeal dot co dot in.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Z and give generously.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
They are great New Zealanders, as Matt says, and we
will be playing some interviews that we did on that
Monday morning throughout the show and also we're going to
be having a chat to Seb Grud. He is a
big part of the Westpac Rescue Helicopter organization.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
After three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, great New Zealanders. So how did you donate? Again, Tyler?

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Go to Chopper Appeal dot co dot.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
In zed and how cool is my hat?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's beautiful, mate, I think that's up on Instagram now
you've posted a picture. It is bright red, it looks
the part.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, I've posted a picture on my Instagram. Matt he
in Z on Instagram. I think you and me, for
some reason a band from having anything to do with
Newstalk ZB socials, so we have to do it on
our own.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Absolutely, But go check out that beautiful hat that Matters
wearing on his Instagram page and we'll try and get
that up on our Facebook page as well. But before
we get to the show today. Quite an extraordinary story
out of the US morning.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I never thought I'd live in a world where the
president of the United States of America would drop the
F bomb and it wouldn't really be a scandal. You
might have heard this today.

Speaker 8 (04:18):
We basically have two countries that have been fighting so
long and so hard that they don't know what the
fuck they're doing. Do you understand that?

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Incredible?

Speaker 2 (04:32):
He just dropped the F bomb and then walked off. Yeah,
and look, Trump is a president of first absolutely a thing,
but he's not the first to bring in foul language
into politics. Right home here in New Zealand, we've got
from from from the center right. We had Brooks saying

(04:55):
this in Parliament.

Speaker 9 (04:56):
I do not agree with the clearly gendered and patronizing
language that Andrea Advance used to reduce senior cabinet ministers
to girl busses, squads, references to girl math.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
And so that was one up on the F bomb,
that one.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, Yeah, I think that's that's as bad as you
can get, if that's the right word for it.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
I mean, it's certainly up there.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Brooklden, just dropping that. Did you ever think in your
life that the that the sea bomb would be throwing
around parliament.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
I certainly didn't.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
I thought you might work up to it, maybe anth
bomb before the sea bomb. But yeah, that was quite
a moment.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
But it's not just those to the to this, you know,
to the right of the Parliament that are doing it.
Also the Labor members of Labor just swearing all over
the shop.

Speaker 10 (05:44):
I'm sorry, what was the unparliamentary uppis something I should
have kept under my breath. We'll just tell people like.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Parliamentary and I shouldn't have said it.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
That's the standard of the Labor Party.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
So in the early two thousands, would you ever imagine
where that just swear words. I believe back in the
day that if someone like that it would have a
I guess an effect on their chance to be elected.
But now it's fine. Anyone can just go for you
go for your life.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
So Morgen Helen Clark trumping the f bomb or the
sea bomb for that matter.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
The question is how soon are we allowed to On
New storks 'BA We're getting closer. I know that Hostcarg's
throwing out the sh it bomb. Yeah, just all over
the shop. He's just spraying it everywhere.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
He loves it, absolutely loves it.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
So it's a slippery slope to the sea bomb on
Afternoons radio, do you think.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
Yeah, but we're getting there. It's a crazy old world.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
That's I certainly hope not Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
Yeah, yeah, me too.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
But that was for not I mean, that was incredible
what Donald Trump said. And I've got to say you
can hear the frustration in his voice, and part of
me thinks, politicians you want to see genuineness and you
want to see them being real people. But there will
be more to that story as the afternoon progresses to
today's show. As we mentioned, after three o'clock, we will
be speaking to Seb Grud from the Rescue Helicompter organization.

(07:02):
He is a big part of that and he's a
very good man, and he'll be taking some of your
questions as well. But we're also going to ask you
the question, have you or a family member ever had
to call upon these legends they rescue Helicopter And I've
got to say I have, and I will tell what
happens after three o'clock. So it's humiliating story, It certainly is, Yeah,
certainly is, and I will tell it in its entirety

(07:23):
after three o'clock not quite as dramatic, but interesting nonetheless,
but really keen to get your stories and what happened
when you needed these guys, when you had to make
that call or set off that personal locator beacon.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
That's after three.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, because you never know, and that's why we say donate,
because you just never know when you'll love one might
need these great New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Absolutely after two o'clock. The Mushroom cook trial. This has
captivated the whole world, the trial of Aaron Pattison. She
is accused, of course, of serving a meal lace with
death camp mushrooms that resulted in three deaths. They were
her former parents in law, her former mother in law's sister,
and another.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
Who was severely ill a bit survived.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
But we want to ask the question, what is so
fascinating about this case and which way do you think
it's going to go?

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, I've sort of this one's gone past me a
little bit. I just thought immediately that she was guilty.
It was one of those cases where like she was guilty.
And then I was listening to Hosking this morning and
he had Steve Price on from Australia, and Steve Price
Hosking said, the jury is going to decide in forty
five minutes. This is a done deal. And Steve Price said,
you know the great Aussie broadcaster who's right about a

(08:30):
lot of things. He said, I think she's going to
get off.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I don't think it's been proved. So we'd love your
thoughts on this. Have you followed it and sort of
helped me and like Tyler and I to catch up
on it, because I feel like it's one that I've
slipped behind, and yet it's all the biggest podcasts in
the country are on the Mushroom case.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, it was a messive first act for this story,
but like you, then I kind of drifted off a
little bit as the trial went on. But now we're
getting to the pointing end of it and the jury
is expected to go out today. I'm right back in there.
But looking forward to that chat after two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Why are
you fascinated by the case If you are, or do
you think we shouldn't be talking about it at all
and it's just sort of sick voyeurism?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, looking forward to that. But right now, let's have
a chat about homeschooling. Over the last fifteen years, the
number of kids homeschooled has doubled. There's now almost eleven
thousand kids homeschooled in New Zealand. For comparison, the number
that number other is about a third of the number
of students in private schools, and that is steadily growing.
And while that number has gone up, the level of
support for homeschooling parents hasn't kept up. But we want

(09:35):
to chat to you. If you've gone down the homeschooling
routes roots, why did you do that? Why did you
homeschool your kids? If you were homeschooled yourself, how did
it go?

Speaker 9 (09:43):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (09:43):
One hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, what are the advantages of it? What do you
see as the advantages and what do you see as
the disadvantages of it? Because it's a massive pain in
the ass, obviously for the parents, because a lot of
parents what they do as they do the hard yards
when their kids are babies and then toddlers, and then
they go, wow, we've got some relief because we're dropping
them off at school every day. But then some parents go, nah,
I'm going to homeschool them. I'm going to keep going. Yeah,

(10:05):
I'm going to expend all my energy in this area.
Love to hear from you, if you've been homeschooled, if
you are homeschooling, how'd it turned out for you, how
it's going going for you? Love to hear from you.
In eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
It is a quarter past one. Beag very surely you're
listening to Matt and Tyler the.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons excused Talks'd.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Be seventeen past one, and we are discussing homeschooling. The
numbers of kids being homeschooled in New Zealand is going
up dramatically. It's doubled in the past fifteen years. It's
now at eleven thousand kids homeschool That's about a third
of the number of children that are in private schooling.
So they are significant numbers and it continues to grow.
If you are homeschooling your children, or you were homeschooled yourself,

(10:53):
loved to hear from you, or if you looked into
it and decided no, it wasn't the right move for
your kids? Really keen to have a chat with you
on eight hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Love to hear your experiences. Now, I used always think,
as my knee jerk reaction was that homeschooling was weird.
I want to hear about homeschool kids. I had this
view of them. And now I'm not so sure about
homeschooling because I've just I talked about this the other day.

(11:20):
But I listened to this fantastic podcast with this guy,
doctor Paul Turk, who's a pediatrician, evolutionary anthropologist, and an author,
and this is what he said about schooling. He said, now,
in school, when we send kids to school, we funnel
them all through the same funnel. But back in the day,
in the Plaisto scene, there was room for kids to
do all kinds of roles. The active learners will go
out hunting, the less active ones might make arrow herds.

(11:43):
They could all thrive. And he talks about how basically
school is very very strange environment for kids evolutionarily, because
you're in these big rooms with people that are all
the same age. That was never the case families used
to be. You'd be around the family. You're in these
big rooms at schools with people that are all your
same age and aren't your kin, so they don't have

(12:04):
any direct reason to look after you other than basic
human empathy. So he says we are actually evolved to
grow up with families with older kids, lower kids, wider
family members, all learning things and keeping with the particular
skills that we have and how we can contribute to
the family. If you're incredibly energetic, then you might go

(12:27):
outside and run round, and if you're concredibly studious, you'd
be happy to sit inside. But school just puts everyone
through the same same thing, takes them away from the family,
puts them in the same age band, and teaches them
the same thing in the same way. And so there
is an argument if you had a bigger family, there's
an argument that to say you had five kids in

(12:47):
the family or four kids, and there's less people have
that many people now, obviously, and it might be a
totally different thing if it's an only child. But if
you had five kids in the family, four kids in
the family, then you've got the older ones teaching them things,
the younger ones teaching them things. You've got all kinds
of different personalities, and it's all in an environment where
everyone has a stake and you're doing well because they're
all kin.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
It makes a lot of sense. So when you look
at the schooling system, not much rarely has changed. They've
tinken around the edges. But in the past hundred years, right,
that schooling system has remained pretty much the same as
it is today. That you start at at nine am,
you go until three o'clock, and you've got your lunch breaks,
and you've got your subjects that you learn. But that
is a rather old style of schooling, right of education

(13:31):
that has been somewhat successful, some would argue, but it
stayed relatively static in one hundred years. So to go
back to this style of teaching your kids within the
home with their siblings, to me, actually does make a
lot of sense. I can see why people would go
with for the homeschooling.

Speaker 11 (13:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well, school is sort of an industrial revolution kind of
invention to make people that are good at operating in
the modern society. So you're making little workers, aren't you. Yeah.
But just to explain doctor Turk's idea, he goes explains
that in ancestral environments, children are raised in mixed age
groups and constantly surrounded by extended king Can they learn

(14:06):
from older peers and help younger one something that's lacking
in modern schooling. Modern schooling and contrast, puts same age
children together and removes them from the support and guidance
of extended family and community, which may increase anxiety and
feelings of isolation.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you agree
with that sentiment, love to hear from you. When it
comes to homeschooling. Was it that you had more control
over what your children were learning to keep them with
their siblings, if that was hard to do in the
traditional school system, and if you looked at it and
decided it wasn't for you, really keen David chat with
you on O eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, E one hundred and eighty ten eighty. We want
to hear your homeschooled stories. Hey, guys, not a fan
of homeschooling because your child spends their formative years at home,
not mixing with others and dealing with pressures of life.
But like those that work from home, or but like
those who work from home also most working parents have
homeschooling is not an option.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, well, keep those techs coming through A nine to
two nine two. It is twenty two past one news putting.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
The tough questions to the news speakers, the mic asking
breakfast and.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Is the Middle East?

Speaker 6 (15:07):
After all?

Speaker 12 (15:07):
The maybe trumping is illuminous? Claims about PCE and C
spiles was always a little bit optimistic. Doctor Max Smith
is the Associate Professor of National Security at the University
of New Haven.

Speaker 13 (15:15):
Israel's strike on that radar system is sort of a oh,
we forgot this one. They're spinning up the radar and
we can see it now. It's important for us tactically
to take it out.

Speaker 12 (15:24):
Is this a cease fire or is this We're out
of mo O for now. We need to do something,
so give us a couple of days.

Speaker 13 (15:30):
It's unclear exactly how many ballistic missiles remain in their inventory,
probably very few. They can't fire everything because then they
have no deterrence, so it's in their incentive to keep
everybody guessing.

Speaker 12 (15:40):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic hosking breakfast with
the Defender Octa Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
The Whistpac Chopper appeal is on now and we need
your help. The familiar thump thump noises in the sky
is actually a lifetime.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Line absolutely, so to donate, go to Chopper Appeal dot
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Speaker 2 (16:07):
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Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, We're going to play some helicopter sound throughout the
show as well.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
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Speaker 3 (16:15):
So that website again, Chop Repeal dot co dot Nz.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
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Speaker 2 (16:20):
You never know when your love loved ones might need them.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Right back to this discussion we're having about homeschooling and
the phone lines have absolutely lit up, so we'll go
to Darryl getto mate.

Speaker 14 (16:32):
Oh okay, it guys really good friend of mine. He's
living in Australia at the moment. But when his youngest
son turn around thirteen fourteen, he was just not really
working out very well at school and that was during
the COVID period, so there was a lot of homeschooling

(16:54):
and that going on. So at that stage he decided,
well he's an out, got he's always been outside, always
doing things. So they decided that they would set up
a little lawn mowing business and he would go out
do that and the wife, Braywyn, would end up being
at home and she would homeschool him, and then when

(17:16):
he did his three or four hours that he needed
to do, he was out and about and they've done very,
very well, and he's just a different person. So I
think you've got to have an open mind to what
can potentially somebody can get out of being homeschooled as

(17:37):
opposed to going through as you set diciphon and or
going through the system.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Now do you think at some point you have to
join the system?

Speaker 11 (17:45):
Though?

Speaker 2 (17:46):
So wouldn't the argument be at one point, you're going
to be going into an office, you're going to be
on a worksite, You're going to be with a bunch
of people, and they're not going to be your family members.
So the argument would be, the sooner you get used
to as anxiety inducing as it is, and as much
of a sausage maker system it is, the sooner you
get there, the better you are going to be at

(18:07):
dealing with it for the rest of you your life.

Speaker 14 (18:10):
Yeah, I can definitely get that just going back to
what I've seen happen with my with my good mate.
I mean, his son now is basically just about to
move into going into bigger machinery doing digging machine and
machinery and things like that. But he wouldn't have never

(18:31):
had that opportunity if he hadn't of you know, he
was lost in school, completely lost. He was just you know,
he was getting picked on a little bit as well.
So he had not major learning difficulties, but he just
you know, wasn't fitting into the mold. He just wanted

(18:54):
to be outside. He wanted to be doing things. So
I know where you're coming from, and yes, we do
need to obviously tune everyone through, but if you've got
that opportunity and you are financially or in a position
where you can offer that to people. I worked in
Wellington Rail for quite a while and we quite often

(19:15):
would get a trainload of kids getting on the train
and what's going on And I'd go over and ask
people and I said, oh, look, you know, we're just
all the homeschool people. We all get together and we
go off and do activities together. But it's not Yeah,
absolutely we are to get him quite a lot. At
least once a month they would be going at and

(19:36):
they were all mingling and getting together. So you know,
it's not, as I said, there are a lot of
things going on that people perhaps aren't aware.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Daryl.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Sorry to jump in there, mate, but we've got it.
We've got the headlines hot on our tail. But was
your mate worried when he first undertook that homeschooling. Was
there some nervousness that maybe he didn't, you know, have
all the skills needed to teach his boy what he
needed to teach.

Speaker 14 (19:57):
One hundred percent, he was just so worried. His daughter
had gone through His older daughter had gone through no problem,
but when it came to him next just wasn't an
into that fold. So he took a real innocity. Was
during the COVID period, so it was even you know, like,

(20:17):
you know, there's not a lot of school going on,
but you know, I need him to continue looving. But yes,
one hundred percent, he was very worried and it has
turned out. I mean he's just about to turn nineteen
and he's really really doing well, extremely well.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Darryl.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Thank you very much, mate, Really good to get you
on the show. One hundred and eighteen eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
It's an interesting idea, isn't it, Because we say we
have to get them through the sausage factory to make
them good workers and good members of society as soon
as possible. But there's always that saying that you're going
to have a certain hole in your heart and you'll
fill it with all these different kinds of things. So potentially,
with the right form of homeschooling, you get your confidence

(21:01):
built up, you have a foundation of love and people
supporting you and finding what you're good at. So by
the time time you hit the real world, you haven't
been beaten down by it, and you come to the
real world and strengthened and empowered because I mean, really,
how long does it take to learn how to you know,
sit in a desk in.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Off Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
There's a fair argument that you've got a better shot
at life if you're you're homeschooled on the right way.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
It's better than being in a situation where you have
just been beaten down and had your you know, your
confidence completely destroyed from the age of five, which happens
to some people.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
It absolutely does.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.
Coming up after the headlines. We've got a great text
here from a teacher who used to work in traditional
schools and now since they've had kids, is homeschooling. So
we'll read that out very shortly. It is twenty nine
to two.

Speaker 15 (21:57):
You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Excuse me. Labour's Chris
Hapkins says bombing isn't the answer to ending in nuclear
arms race, and diplomacy is needed. In the Middle East,
a frail ceasefire appears to be holding between Israel and Iran.
Donald Trump claims US strikes this week destroyed Iran's nuclear program.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
No, I'm very sorry.

Speaker 15 (22:27):
Let me start that again. Donald Trump claims that US
strikes this week destroyed Around's nuclear program, but early intelligence
indicates it's only set it back by months. Health New
Zealand's appointed Dr Dale Bramley as its new Chief executive
officer from July fourteenth. Minister Judith Collins are set on

(22:49):
cutting diversity, equity and inclusion requirements in the public service
to focus on merit, but concede she has no evidence
that people have got jobs for diversity reasons. A young
key of found seriously injured by a lead bullet in
Golden Bay in February is recovering well. At the moment
we're two wild based animal hospital. And why do we

(23:13):
need more migrants when two hundred thousand people are on
the doll You can read this and more from Inside
Economics at in said here all premium. Now back to
matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Thank you very much. Raylan, we'll let you get a
glass of water. It is twenty five to two now.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Emma Batistitch is one of the incredible doctors working with
the rescue choppers. I asked her what a typical day
looks like for her and the crew.

Speaker 16 (23:37):
Well, we get here pretty early, so round six ith
and have a coffee, very important. And then we come
and as part of a team, we check out aircraft,
make sure that all the equipment is present and it's
all working, all the batteries are charged up, and then
we have a morning brief where we discuss the plan

(23:58):
for the day. We discuss the weather, we discuss if
it's so, any weather issues, any other issues around the place,
any issues with a machine, and we make a plan
for if we get called out, what machine we're going
to be in, and the crew configuration for the day,
and then we sit around and wait for the job

(24:20):
to come in. And in the between times, of course,
we do training and we you know, which are our
paperworkers up to date?

Speaker 3 (24:30):
And we were also curious that apart from her medical training,
what are the training she had to go through to
become a member of the rescue helicopter team.

Speaker 16 (24:40):
As part of the induction process is full induction to
aircraft safety and managing, you know, working in really small,
little confined environments. And again so like in the hospital,
we've got amazing nurses and other people that.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Do a lot of stuff for us.

Speaker 16 (24:57):
They don't have a nurse to help me out, so
have to learn how to use all the equipment and
so have to be familiar with everything that you're using.
Pretty much you can close your eyes and find stuff
in the packs. And because no one's going to pass
you something, Oh yes, please ask can somebody get me
my Yeah that somebody is me, So yeah, you just
got to really be ready to do anything.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
What a phenomenal person Emma was. I loved having a
chat with her a little bit earlier this week, and
we'll plan a few more interviews today as the afternoon progresses,
because of course it is the Chopper Appeal day.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yes, so we're having filmed with those interviews, and Tyler
and I would talk to the various people pilots, operations,
managers and paramedics, and the cameras will go off and
we just kept punishing them with questions for half an
hour afterwards to we were wrestled on to the next
person because what they do is so great and so
interesting and you know, they're just fantastic New Zealanders And

(25:49):
as I keep saying, you never know when your loved
ones might need them.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
Ye, one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
And just a reminder, if you want to day Nate,
please do because these guys are a vital lifeline for
so many Go to Chopper Appeal dot co dot NZ.
Back to the discussion we're having on home schooling. Have
you gone down the home schooling routes? The numbers of
kids being homeschool in New Zealand has doubled in the
past fifteen years. Eleven thousand kids are now homeschool They

(26:15):
are not small numbers.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
So you think it's a good idea do you think
it helped kids? Do you think it hurts kids? Do
you think weird? Do you think it's awesome? Brad your thoughts?
You are homeschooled?

Speaker 12 (26:24):
Were you no?

Speaker 17 (26:26):
We currently homeschool our three daughters. Oh yeah, At a moment, yep.
We have probably similar to most people around that COVID
sort of time, we decided that homeschooling would work out
best for them.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
How are you able to do that? Is it both
you and your partner that do do it? Or does
it shift work? How does it work?

Speaker 17 (26:48):
Yeah, it's probably a fifty fifty's depending on the business
of the week.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Really.

Speaker 17 (26:54):
I run a small fruit and begie market business and
a small farm, and then my wife runs at a
dance school and works in school, so we sort of Yeah,
we balanced that week by week, I suppose. But it's
hard work, so I don't probably want to share. That's
really hard work. But you have to have if you're

(27:15):
going to do it it. There needs to be a
long term purpose. Our long term purpose is to equip
our children to be the best adults, so they can
be and to learn things that we feel valuable for
their life at their within the capabilities of their development.

(27:35):
At their stage of life, I suppose, and to ask
the schools about to do that constantly year by year.
We just felt it was actually just not fair on
them because of the amount of issues that are in
schools at the moment. So we thought, well, well, we
weren't allowing the school to do the things that we
think that we can do within our home and do
the best that we can. But it is definitely tough work.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
So how do you deal with the government on it.
Do you have to apply to be homeschool your kids?
Do you have to run it correct.

Speaker 17 (28:11):
To get exemption? So there's quite a vigorous form you
have to fill out and interviews and stuff like that.
So to get exemptions out of school. In terms of curriculum,
know you, So we do have a New Zealand homeschool
curriculum that we follow, but there's nothing like in terms
of that you're followed up by anybody or you do

(28:32):
have to sorry quarterly, you do have to report that
you're still home schools and stuff like that. But the
best the rest that is the rescue you take sort
of you don't have as much tests, so you don't
have I suppose standards that you're sort of trying to
live up to. But yeah, just observing. I suppose there's working.
Is it's not working. But I'll tell you what, when
people like to say stuff about homeschooling that you're taking

(28:54):
them away from the social circles, where's the social issues
come from? They come from schools.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, yeah, well a lot of people would feel that
that same way as well bred. So the support that
you get, if anything, from the government, this was part
of the story in the New Zealand here World today
that the funding that you get as a homeschool parent,
if you require it is I believe seven hundred and
ninety six bucks for the year.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
That's not much.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Is there any other support you can tap into or
is that kind of defeat the purpose?

Speaker 17 (29:21):
Oh no, that's the piece of purpose. You save a
lot of money considering the kind of stationary school to
ask you and require you to have in these days
in terms of having digital device all that kind of stuff.
So and yeah, no, it's not it's not a funding thing.
It's not a income and money is not no reason

(29:42):
or no, yeah, no positible negative us close Brad.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I guess the big question for me because when my
kids became five. It was seen as you know, we're
actually sent them to daycare, and we took the school
and actually took the pressure of us. But how do
you deal with making them do the school work because
we sort of outsource that to teachers to discipline them
and get them working. That must be a huge amount

(30:07):
of energy just putting them in and you know, getting
them to do something, getting to do their work.

Speaker 17 (30:12):
Yeah, it is, it is.

Speaker 18 (30:14):
It is hard.

Speaker 17 (30:15):
It is hard. It's hard. Ass like you beat yourself
up every day thinking that as it's actually working, is
it worth it? But look, my wife and I worked
in school. We have worked in schools for the last
sort of fifteen years of our lives, and we know
exactly what goes on in schools. They're don't work there too,
except seriously, we know exactly how the curriculum goes we
know what they're learning. We believe that we can or

(30:39):
they provide at a teacher level kind of understand because
teachers are amazing, school structures are amazing. But in terms
of expecting the school to teach our children where they
are at and what's what's important, I suppose we thought
we can do that at a bit of standard. I
suppose with all our kids, we we probably ninety percent

(31:01):
live off our lands. Our kids to know where all
our food comes from. We teach them that week by week.
They follow a curriculum, they are part of a social
circle within the community five days a week, six days
a week. They mingle with lots of different community events.
So yeah, the only thing you lose is definitely a

(31:24):
time getting them to do the school work. But if
they don't do the school work, then they can go
outside and work, you know what I mean, still learning.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
So finally, Brad, what about when it gets very specialized,
because you guys can't know everything to a high level.
What about as this textas says physics, chemistry, very specialized topics,
and how do they get their qualifications for university and such?

Speaker 17 (31:47):
Yep, No, you can still attend most of it. You
can still get most of that inn access toss. They
can still do in the QA, they can still do.
You can still be involved in quite a lot of
specialized curriculum activities, and there's lots of there's lots of
teachers that contract out as well that are still they
can still teach you the same stuff all the what

(32:08):
their little schools isn't like secret an unavailable kind of resource,
you know what I mean. It's all there if you
want it, and you can get it if you want.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Brad, it's been fascinating chatting with you, and it seems
like you're working very, very hard, and as you said,
it's hard, yaker, and take my head off to you.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Well done.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
It is sixteen to two, but we're going to pick
this backup full lines at the moment. If you can't
get through, keep trying. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Do your homeschool your children or were you homeschooled yourself?
And if you decided against it, love to have a
chat with you as well.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Speaking of deciding against, I'm just deciding whether or not
to read out this quite inflammatory text that's just come through.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
Doats.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's coming up.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
It's quarter to two.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
A fresh take on Top bag Man Ethan Taylor Adams
Afternoon with a Westpac Chopper appeal. Donate a chopper appeal
dot co dot nzet have your say on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty Youth Talks.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
That'd be very good.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Afternoon due it is thirteen to two.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Here's a text I was' Suryan. They're going to read
it out. But I'm gonne, Matt, what is wrong with you?
Why don't you move to Gloria Vale if you love
homeschooling so much? I noticed your kids went to How
come it's good for you but not others? Irresponsible to
remote such damaging thing for kids. Parents aren't teachers, you idiot. Also,
parents do bad things to their kids. Bad things happen
at home, not at school. Jesus Christ, Am I going crazy? Yes?

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah, yeah, Well that's quite a text. I've got to
say that.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
The answer to the question am I going crazy? Texture
is yes, you are going crazy. But the idea that
parents do bad things to their kids very very few parents,
very very few parents do bad things to their kids. Generally,
parents love their kids and want the best for them.
And where the homeschooling is the best thing for them
or not? Is you know, a decision that that parents make.
And I wasn't really full throlledly supporting it. I was

(33:52):
just saying it's interestingly interesting from an evolutionary perspective, because
schooling puts same age children together and moves them from
the support and guidance of their extended family and community.
Which may increase anxiety, said this evolutionary pediatrician doctor two.
He says children were raised in mixed age groups and
constantly surrounded by extended king for most of our evolution.

(34:14):
They learn from older peers and help young ones, something
that's lacking in modern school. Yeah, yeah, nicely said, so, yeah,
we'll move into glory of well thanks, Yeah, it.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Seems like okay place sometimes Rebecca, how are you?

Speaker 7 (34:26):
Oh, hi there?

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Good?

Speaker 5 (34:28):
Then now you homeschool?

Speaker 7 (34:30):
Yeah, by homeschool that's right.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, well, great to chat with you. And why did
you decide to go down the homeschool route.

Speaker 7 (34:37):
I think the main reason we decided we've done it
right from the beginning. I was chatting to another parent
that was doing it, and she said to me, the
best thing about homeschooling is that, you know, most parents
just get a really rushed maybe hour with their kids
in the morning, then they drop them at school, and
then they get them back in the afternoon and they're
tired and there you might be a bit grumpy, and

(34:59):
they just kind of get the worst part of their kids' days.
Whereas the amazing thing about homeschooling is you get to
just be part of the best part of your kids day,
and you just get to be a part of aus
amazing learning that's taking place, and it's just an incredible
privilege really to get to just enjoy your kids and yeah,

(35:21):
and get to be a part of it all.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
There must be parts, though, where it is an enjoyable though, Rebecca,
where the kids need to be disciplined, or as are
saying to have called it before, they don't want to
do their work that they have to do own, and
then you become the policeman.

Speaker 7 (35:36):
Yeah. I mean that's just a part of parenting, isn't it.
It's I just yeah, I just see that that's just
part of my job. Of course, there's going to be
times that you ask us to do things that they
don't really want to do, and there's a little bit
of kickback, but it's a very small part of it.
I think on a whole, most of it's just a
really positive experience for us. And I just thought, in

(35:57):
case it's interesting to you guys, I've actually got a
couple of my kids here. If there's anything you wanted
to ask them, Oh, yeah, they would be happy.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
To chat just before we talk to your kids. Would
love to do that.

Speaker 7 (36:08):
X Okay, you don't have to, we want to.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
What a great opportunity. But just just before we go
to them, what was the main reason, what was the
main motivation for you to homeschool your kids, Rebecca.

Speaker 7 (36:20):
So, probably one of the biggest motivations was just having
flexibility and now, you know, like we're not dictated by
the school terms or when we can have a holiday
with our kids. My husband actually peace South employed, so
we'd be having to do some cool things and just
do some special some adventures outside of you know, like

(36:42):
for holiday time. And I think that's been a real
bus for us as well as a family, just getting
in some really amazing time together as a family.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
It sounds lovely, Rebecca A. You're right to hold We've
just got to play some messages and we'll come back
and have a chat to one of your children.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Which child are you going to put up? And what
is their name?

Speaker 7 (37:00):
I've got I've got Joshua and Levi that both have
seen chat.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
Yeah, Joshua and Levi. And how old are they?

Speaker 7 (37:07):
Joshua able?

Speaker 6 (37:09):
Perfect?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
All right, Joshua and leave Levi if you're listening. We're
going to play some messages fellas and then we're gonna
come back and we've got some questions for you.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
We're gonna ask some hard questions.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
There is eight to two, all right, Ben, Thanks.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Matt Heath, Tylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams
Afternoons news Talk V.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
The WESPAC Chopper Appeal is on now and we spent
time with the rescue crew at Ardmore and Wow, it
takes a lot to keep these choppers in the air.
You can watch the video on news Talk ZIB's website
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Speaker 3 (37:44):
Tyler Go to Chopper Appeal dot co dot m Z
and donate now. They need your help right now. Back
to Rebecca and her kids, Joshua and Levi get a
Joshua and Levi.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Hello, hello, Hello, We got both of you there. Yeah, yeah, okay,
So I'll ask you this question and Joshua you answer first.
Then Levi. When does your school time start each day?
For you guys?

Speaker 19 (38:09):
Well, uh, Joshua, hat normally I start at like given.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Right after breakfast, seven am.

Speaker 19 (38:17):
Yeah, we're normally up at six thirty.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Wow.

Speaker 19 (38:19):
And then it takes about four hours, so we've done
a like eleven or twelve.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Wow, And are you always happy to get stuck in
at seven?

Speaker 5 (38:28):
Yeah, you're always happy.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
You love it.

Speaker 19 (38:31):
You like having the rest of It's nice just having
the rest of the day, like free to do hobbies
and play outside and stuff.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
And what do you do for the rest of the day.

Speaker 7 (38:40):
Uh, we go up at.

Speaker 19 (38:43):
The bush behind our house, play basketball, do skateboarding. We
also like making like videos and stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Oh wow, now, LEVI are you happy at home or
does part of you wish you were at school with
all the other kids.

Speaker 19 (38:57):
I think it's cooler doing sclat because you sort of
just get it done ways fast that you're sort of
just learning all this stuff that you know that the
kids are doing that score.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, you sound like very smart boys and very quick guys.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Joshua. What's your favorite subject subject for me?

Speaker 19 (39:18):
Studies?

Speaker 5 (39:19):
Social studies? Love it.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
You guys are very very clever boys and fantastic to
chat with you. Thank you very much and to mum
Rebecca as well, thank you very much for giving us
a cool news sport and weather on its way.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
Thanks talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
It's Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons with the Westpact Chopper Appeal.

Speaker 6 (39:38):
No greater sounds when you need a news talks.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
Evy Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yes, it is an important day today the Westpac Chopper
Appeal it is on now. This is an incredible organization.
To donate, please go to chop Chopper Appeal a dot
co dot nz. That website again Chopper Appeal dot co
dot nz to give. They need our donations and they
do incredible work in the in New Zealand across New Zealand.
When you get into trouble, we will be chatting to

(40:06):
some more people in that organization.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
Is the afternoon progresses.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
But in the meantime, let's have a chat about the
trial that has captivated the whole world. This is the
Mushroom cook trial, the trial of Aaron Patterson. She's been
accused of serving a meal lace with death mushrooms that
resulted in three deaths and one person who was severely
ill but managed to survive. So the jury is due
to go out very shortly.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I've got to say that I haven't been across this
in the same way that a lot of people have
been across this. It's huge. The podcasts are number one
and all the podcast charts. People are talking about it everywhew.
I just as soon as I heard the story, I
decided she was guilty and moved on. Yeah. But there's
a lot of developments and what really piqued my interest
this morning I was listening to the My Costing Breakfast

(40:49):
and he let's listen. Let's listen to talking to Steve Price.
Of course, Steve Price being the Australian broadcaster and opinion
writer and television commentator.

Speaker 12 (41:02):
If you remember, I formed my opinion on Mushroom Lady
fairly early on due to what seemed to be to
me overwriting evidence that she might be a bit dodgy.
I reckon, if I'm thinking forty five minutes tops, I mean,
give them time to go and sit down, maybe have
a cup of tea if it's late in the day,
have one more night in the hotel. Do they go
home or stay in a hotel?

Speaker 14 (41:22):
Do you know they're in more world, so they'd stay
in a hotel.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
I think she might get off what based on what
the fact that she I guess you need to be
a little careful, the fact that she probably is a
little unhinged, right, but may have just made a mistake
with the mushrooms. How do you as a jurist there
and go, well, she deliberately went and got death cap mushrooms, well.

Speaker 12 (41:49):
Because she went out foraging for them and then put
them in a dehumidifier, which she said she didn't have.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
She went out foraging from mushrooms.

Speaker 12 (41:58):
So she got the wrong mushrooms.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
She didn't.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
You may be absolutely correct, as you normally are, but
we'll find out all sooner.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah, much like my costing, that peaked my interest there
because I thought it was a done deal. And then
you've got a guy on the ground. You've got an
Australian radio and television broadcaster and legendary opinion columnist Steve
Price going. I think she might get off because in
these court cases it's always you may think that they

(42:26):
one hundred percent did it, and they may well have
done it, but you have to prove that she made
a beef Wellington with poison mushrooms on purpose. You've got
to prove that beyond reasonable doubt you do, and that
is that is hard to do. There's all kinds of
evidence floating around and you know and to and for

(42:48):
and against, but have they done enough to approve it.
And have we just been because we just hear the media, right,
I haven't listened to hundreds of podcasts like my partner
has and everyone I talked to. But we just assumed
that she was s guilty from the start, and that's
maybe the way the media will pushing it. Yeah, I

(43:09):
mean because it's a more interesting story for them. Isn't
that the Beef Wellington mushroom killer.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
It's got at all for a captivating court case. But
you're quite right. To prove intent is incredibly difficult if
we look at the evidence, and both of us went
for a deep dive this morning to get on top
of this very lengthy trial and what has been presented.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Up on the bandwagon just before the verdict.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
Well, it's gone on for eight weeks. That's an incredibly
long trial.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
But some of the prosecution's argument in terms of the evidence,
So the motive apparently was a strained relationship with her
in laws and a strange husbands. The evidence of intent
apparently is internet searchers related to death camp mushrooms, purchase
of a food dehydrator that Mike talked about shortly before
the incident. Later she tried to get rid of it,
discrepancies in her account of sourcing mushrooms from an Asian

(43:53):
grosser allegs, fabrication of illness symptoms using a different colored
plate that was big news when that was part of
the earlier part of this trial. And a remote wiping
of a mobile phone after police seizure. So all of
those elements of evidence. When you look at intent, that
is the part that's very difficult to prove, isn't it

(44:13):
That did she have the intent to poison, deliberately poison
these family members?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, it's got everything. This hasn't and I can't believe
I'm only jumping on it now right at the end
one hundred and eighteen eighty. If you've been involved all along,
we'd love to hear your opinions on it, your speculations
on it. We're in the interesting position of being in
New Zealand commentating on Australian case, which is very different
from the position we're normally into. The cinemat of freedom
in there, but it's almost like an Agatha Christie move

(44:39):
or a Midsummer murders type situation. And I know people
actually died, but there's something about it there's the in
laws around a table. There's the picking of the mushrooms,
there's the beef Wellington, there's the serving of it. It's
a mother that's accused of killing family members and problems

(45:01):
with the in laws.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
Something Shakespearean about it, isn't there.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, there's something Midsummer murders, there's something quite average. What
do they call them, cozy cozy killer? I think that's
what they call them, The cozy killers. Sort of shows
you know, your broken wood mysteries and stuff about it.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
And the fact that clearly, as Mike said, she's a
little bit strange, and I think Steve said that as well,
but she looks like on all accounts originally like a
somewhat normal, gentle person. So that plays and do it
as well. But love to hear your thoughts. What way
do you think this is gonna go? We can talk
about that because we're in New Zealand. And why have
you been so captivated by this particular trial?

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Did you, as this Texas suggest, forget the ex husband's
testimony of previous poisonings.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, yeah, that was a big, big part of the
evidence there when the ex husband took the stand.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Absolutely, absolutely one hundred percent guilty. She searched, and she
researched death cat mushrooms online. Yeah, I mean that's damning.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
That is very damnaged. Oh eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Coming up, we are going to have a chat with
six P Perth Live presenter Oliver Peterson to get his thoughts.
He's on the ground, he's been following the story all
the way through. So we'll have a chat to Oliver
very shortly and then take your thoughts and calls on
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Wo your home of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Be very good afternoon to you. So the West Bank
Chopper Appeal is now on. Every donation helps keep rescue
helicopters flying, saving lies when every second counts.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
And get this.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Last year the rescue choppers around the country flew nine
and eighty nine missions that twenty five people a day.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Incredible great New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yeah, absolutely so to donate, please go to Chopper Appeal
dot co dot nz and we'll be discussing that a
bit more as the afternoon progresses. But in the meantime
we are joined by six pr pers Live presenter Oliver
Peterson as the jury gets ready to deliberate in the
captive eighteen Mushroom Cook trial. Oliver, very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 20 (47:01):
Maddie Tyler, good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Now.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I'm strangely just jumping on board this right now, right
at the end, I feel about it because it sounds
like the most interesting story of all time. I just
right at the start thought she was guilty and moved on.
So can you remind our listeners how this all begun began?
What what exactly happened at that fatal lunch in July
twenty twenty three.

Speaker 21 (47:23):
Yeah, and would you believe we're now in week nine
of this trial.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
It seems like it has been.

Speaker 21 (47:27):
Going on for quite some time. So look, the timeline
of events of this is very interesting. As you said,
this lunch is hell. But you go back to February
of twenty twenty three and Aaron Patterson is accused of
starting to use two mobile phones, phone aphone B using
a simcard with different phone numbers. Now, she said in
March she tested negative for cervical cancer. In April, she

(47:51):
started looking on a website for tracking plants and fungi,
finding some deathcat mushrooms and posts about them online before
removing as many of.

Speaker 20 (47:59):
Those posters as possible.

Speaker 21 (48:00):
Later that month, the prosecution found her mobile phone data
suggesting she travels before returning to where she lives, and
she purchases a Sunbeam Food Lab electronic dehydrator from a
particular shop. She starts posting about dehydrating mushrooms in a
true crime Facebook group, and then another I Naturalist user
post a photo the exact location of death cap mushrooms

(48:22):
growing in her local area. So, look, there's just some
of the evidence at the moment that's pointing towards what
we might all think that verdict's going to be, as
you said before, guilty, but we don't know that yet.

Speaker 20 (48:32):
But it is, you know, it.

Speaker 21 (48:34):
Is interesting because she's obviously facing this murder trial.

Speaker 20 (48:37):
She says she is not guilty, but you.

Speaker 21 (48:39):
Will recall her parents in Lord Donald and Gale Patterson,
along with relative Dd and Heather Wilkinson, became violently ill
due to that meal of beef Wellington and the death
cap mushrooms. Donald, Gail and Heather died from their illness
as well.

Speaker 20 (48:52):
Ian Wilkinson survived.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I guess motivation comes into this what it always does
in these situations. What was the nature of Aaron Patterson's
relationship with her former and laws and estranged husband leading
up to this lunch in July.

Speaker 21 (49:06):
Well, it's starting to paint that pitch here of basically
erin leading two different lives. Did she actually ever actually
have cancer or not? And is she actually somebody who
was obviously trying to basically eliminate those relatives of hers
and murder them.

Speaker 20 (49:22):
And that's what she's been accused of.

Speaker 21 (49:23):
Now she's been very, very sympathetic in the stand and
that's why this trial has obviously lasted now nine weeks.
They've gone through what she searched on her computer, which
websites she was looking at, what her Facebook posts were,
the messages that she has been sending, why she needed
to buy that dehydrate, of the actual lunch that she
wanted to cook, and the plates that she served to

(49:46):
her relatives. Because that's probably one of the more interesting
aspects of this trial is the court heard that before
the death of Heather Wilkinson, Miss Patterson ate from a
different colored plate than the rest of her guests. So
everybody was given let's say, a blue plate as an example,
but Aaron Patterson herself had a yellow plate, which is
rather odd, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, But for want of a bit of a world word,
what was her beef with the people that she served
the beef? Wellington?

Speaker 6 (50:14):
I like that.

Speaker 20 (50:15):
That's very good, Maddie.

Speaker 21 (50:17):
Her beef with with her relatives is still I guess
hasn't really been exploring the case down a great detail
other than as you said there it's in a strange
relationship now with her former you know, in laws, and
to see here that it's her parents in law and
their relatives as well becoming violently ill. Look, she claims

(50:39):
with the plates for as an example, that she only
had a few white plates and a few black plates.
She just didn't have enough, and that one was red
on top and black under and that's just she just
didn't have enough plates. I mean, this story has captivated
everybody here in Australia for nine weeks, and going back
to your original comments, I think we all thought it
might have been lasting maybe nine days, not nine weeks.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Yeah, the phone situation only fascinates me so there were
two phones, allegedly phone A and Phone B. The phone
B was white three different occasions, and in the second
occasion she see she panicked during a police search and
wiped it as it contained mushroom and dehydrate of photos
that she didn't want them to see. But there's phone eight.
It's never been found, No, it hasn't. They've conducted a

(51:19):
search Warren on her home. They took that first mobile
phone as you say. There she said she had a factory.

Speaker 21 (51:24):
Resent on the phone during the police search because she,
as you said, she contained those photos of mushrooms and dehydrators.

Speaker 20 (51:30):
She thought it would make her look guilty.

Speaker 21 (51:32):
That second phone has never been recovered, as you say,
by police, and the messages and the communication between her
and her australianed husband, both via SMS and signal have
been obviously tendered as evidence. For example, Simon said, I
feel too uncomfortable about coming to the lunch with you
Mum and dad, Heather and Ian tomorrow, but I'm happy
to talk about your health and implications of at at
another time.

Speaker 20 (51:52):
If you'd like to discuss on the phone.

Speaker 14 (51:53):
Let me know.

Speaker 21 (51:54):
And she said, look, it's disappointing I've spent many hours
this week preparing lunch for tomorrow. It's been exhausting in
light of the issues I'm facing. Spent a small fortune
on beef. I Philip to make beef Wellington because I
wanted to be a special meal. I might not be
able to host to lunch like this again for some time.
It's important. All there, I hope you change your mind.
Your parents and Ian are coming at twelve thirty. I
hope to see you there. So she wanted her husband
there because she conceded that a message referred to having

(52:17):
medical issues, but on signal regarding some childcare arrangements, some
financial matters, and logistics around live streaming from that local
church for a focus for much of the first few
days of the trial. So yeah, look, this has got
so many layers. This case has been absolutely fascinating, and
we are waiting to hear what the jury deliberates with
and comes back.

Speaker 20 (52:37):
The judge has told all the jury.

Speaker 21 (52:39):
Lay yesterday that they cannot let sympathy cloud their judgment
when they're liberating verdicts, because there's so much scrutiny on
this case at the moment, so much interest right across
Australia and New Zealand and the world that they just
have to stick to those facts and obviously come up
with a guilty or not guilty verdict.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Well, she was right, it was a very special meal.
She wasn't lying about that. But how has the defense argued,
because you hear all this, you hear all this evidence,
and I'm listening to that, I'm just not in going, yeah,
she did it. But how has the How's the defense
argued that this was a tragic accident instead of a murder.

Speaker 21 (53:15):
Yeah, Well, they're pointing to the fact that she was
sick and she was looking at alternative therapies here, and
that the mushrooms provided her with the potential remedy to
what she was suffering, and that she only had good intentions.

Speaker 20 (53:29):
That's why she had the hydrator. She was just trying
to cook this lovely meal.

Speaker 21 (53:32):
She was unaware that that the deaf cat mushrooms may
have actually killed the people who were.

Speaker 20 (53:38):
Going to eat it.

Speaker 21 (53:39):
So look, I don't know, we're all following it from afar,
aren't we, But it looks pretty straight up and down
to me.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Now you've said you know that this case is as well,
it's huge internationally. I mean, we're international and we're zoning
it on it. But how's the Australian public reacted to
the case. Has opinion been sympathetic, skeptical, divided or she's guilty?

Speaker 5 (54:06):
Well, I think they'll go We'll all go with the ladder.

Speaker 21 (54:08):
I don't think that there's too many people who think that,
you know, they're particularly sympathetic towards what's happened, because there's
been a lot of inconsistent statements that have been raised
by the witnesses. The defense had asked, for example, Justice
Bale to draw some particular attention to five witnesses while

(54:30):
the evidence that was put forward by miss Patterson contradicts that.
So Simon Patterson, for example, the Austrange Strange husband, pointed
the jury to a series of questions and answers around
two topics, whether he agreed his friendship was strong up
until the Semmer twenty two, and around his use of
the words serious and important when giving evidence of Aaron Patterson,
who allegedly invited him to the lunch. So there's a

(54:51):
tendency here to pick and eat while mushrooms.

Speaker 20 (54:53):
That's what the prosecution wanted to highlight.

Speaker 21 (54:55):
Her children were invited to for free to attend the lunch,
the mushrooms that went into the beef, Wellington's how much
he ate of it herself?

Speaker 20 (55:02):
What about Gail Pattison?

Speaker 21 (55:03):
Would she eat when Aaron Patterson claims she's had experienced
diarrhea after the lunch? Did they realize that there was
an illness associated with this? So, look, it's a it's
it's a very layered case obviously, hence what it's taken
the nine weeks. But I think I think we should
no sooner rather than later exactly what the jury is
going to deliver.

Speaker 20 (55:22):
I couldn't imagine the jury's going to liberate for too
long on this.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
But so having covered this in detail, I mean, I
think we're getting the idea. But what do you think
the verdict will be? And when do you think we
will get that verdict?

Speaker 21 (55:32):
I think we'll find out today and I would suspect
she's going to be guilty. But that's just reading obviously
some of what has been presented through the through the
evidence that's been presented to the courts.

Speaker 20 (55:43):
But that's just you know, a bit of a bit
of a look at that from afar.

Speaker 21 (55:47):
Obviously I'm not in the in the machinations of what's
been heard in the court and who knows what, who
knows what the jury is going to say.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Yeah, only great to chat with you and good luck
with the verdict. And I think we're all looking forward
to the Netflix series. I'm sure someone got your money
on that.

Speaker 21 (56:00):
And you too far away, will it? And just you know,
check out your mushrooms right. I'm not a bigger fan
of mushrooms anyway, and I don't think I'll be bearing mushrooms.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
And hey, well I'm a big fan of Beef Wellington though,
me too. Yeah, you know, I'm conflicted even not for
Beef Wellington.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, Olie, great to catch up mate, Go well. That
is Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter and we
want your thoughts on this. I eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty have you been following the trial, why have
you been so fascinated and which way do you think
the jury will go? It is twenty six past two.

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Speaker 3 (56:40):
Sa'd be twenty eight pas too. We're talking about the
trial of Aaron Patterson, the mushroom crookeets kept devated the world.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
The jury is due to go out for deliberation very
very soon. Which way do you think it's going to go?

Speaker 22 (56:51):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah, see the text massician machine is going one way.
This isn't a take. The only reason people think she's
guilty is because she's unattractive.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
I would have called her homely.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Is that the same thing, Scottie, welcome the show your
thoughts on this gold.

Speaker 23 (57:11):
I don't even know what she looks like. But now
you said that, Well, who in the right mind goes
and makes beef well Inson for like X and laws
or people that you despise or hate or got anything
against you, Like if you're my exs and laws, then
I'd just like you'd be lucky to get beans on taste.
You get macroni cheese a thing, not a beef well Inton,

(57:32):
And you wouldn't go out foraging for mushrooms to body
make it extra special and stuff? If you Yeah, she's.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Guilties right, So you think the fact that she's put
that much effort into the meal, can only mean she
was putting that effort into the meal as a honey
trap to get people around to poison them. Yep, burn
the witch, Scotty. How closely have you been following the case.

Speaker 23 (57:58):
For about the last five minutes?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
See, I was like that, you know, I hardly followed
it as well. And this morning when Steve Price on
Hosking said I think she's going to get off, and
I sort of checked out because I thought she's definitely guilty.
And when you first run your head across that and
again listening to that evidence that we've just had, you know,
that rundown we've had out of Perth, you immediately go,

(58:24):
I cannot see how she's going to get off. But
you've still got to prove it beyond reasonable doubt, don't you.
You do She's probably guilty, but found not guilty, because
beyond reasonable doubts is this text, you know. And we're
lucky to live in both Australia and New Zealand and
the system where there's a very high bar of finding
someone guilty because we believe as societies that it's terrible
to put innocent people in prison. You've got to prove

(58:45):
that they did it.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Yeah, But like you say, I think most of the
world was absolutely captivated and act one when she did
it and it became news all across the world. But
then because it's been nine weeks and the fact that
they can't get cameras into Ossie.

Speaker 5 (58:59):
Courts, I think I kind of drifted away a little bit.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
I saw some of the in court sketches and I've
got to say that one that looks like the screen
the famous portrait. Yeah, surely you can find it better
in court sketcher.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
That sketch charts like that, But that's the sketch artist.
Whoever's working over there in Australia is terrible.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
It's terrible.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Well artistic, yeah, basically creating works of art. I think
I think it's a more of an expressionist kind of
painter because the purtures of her look absolutely nothing like
the photographs of seen of it.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
No, they look terrifying. But we're keen to get your
views on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty This Texas
sys mushroom lady knows what she did. She kept keeping
people in the dark and feeding people bull crap. Oh
good line, Yeah, it is twenty nine to three headlines
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Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
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Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Right back to our discussion about this trial over in Australia,
the trial of Aaron Patterson, the mushroom crop, which has
captivated the world. Which way do you think it's going
to go? The jury is due for deliberation very very soon.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Isabelle is not happy about this discussion at all. She says,
you guys are having a good old laugh, but three
people are dead.

Speaker 6 (01:03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
I don't know those people, and I have empathy and
it's sad that they have passed away. But thousands and
thousands of people die every year that I don't know about,
and I can't cry about all of them. And look
that this you're gonna be fighting swimming up hill, Isabelle.
If you're going to shut down the whole true crime
podcast world and the human fascination with tragedy and in

(01:04:03):
family drama and murder, it's something that we're very drawn
to as a speci is morbidly perhaps, but you know,
we don't know those people.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
No, so exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
I mean, like you say, it's Hardwired, and with the
true crime podcasts and Netflix documentaries and everything else, there's
not many people alive that haven't gone into watching those.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
But back in history, I'll tell you what Isabelle. If
you're if you're very upset about them, and you're crying
about them, and you're grieving these people that you don't know,
then good on you. You're an incredibly empathetic, empathetic person
and you're a better person than Tyler.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
That is very true. Maureen, now are here this afternoon.

Speaker 14 (01:04:44):
I'm good, Thank you.

Speaker 25 (01:04:45):
We were actually in Australia when it happened, so we
were on holiday and I've watched it from day one,
and of course the Australian media they're all over it.
I mean there's no blanking out faces, there's nothing. You know,
they were the like for the whole time we were there,
and it was just like, oh you did it, And

(01:05:07):
it was just so many inconsistencies. Like she said she
was having a stomach reduction at some clinic. Well that
was a beauty clinic. They didn't do stomach reductions there.
You know, it was a brand new dehydrator. She bought
it three or four weeks ago. Well, you don't throw
out a new dehydrator unless you.

Speaker 14 (01:05:29):
I don't know, maybe you didn't like.

Speaker 25 (01:05:31):
Dehydrating, and it's just there was just so many inconsistencies
and I don't know, it's just yeah, I don't know.
Maybe it's beware of the scorned woman. You certainly wouldn't
be able to find a dura in Australia that hadn't.

Speaker 14 (01:05:50):
Followed the case.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, I mean that must be really hard. And as
we were saying before, Maureen and you seem to be
in the same camp as Tyler and I that as
soon as we heard it and read the first bits
of evidence, we thought guilty. And so that's the jury
she's going to be getting. As people that that will
be very hard to change their opinion.

Speaker 25 (01:06:10):
That's human nature. And that's where I often think, gosh,
you know, maybe we need to have judges, you know,
on a panel rather than you and me and Tyler,
because you know, what a waste for nine weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
Yeah, and the other thing, wrap it up now, guilty, Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:06:25):
Yeah, that's get onto the next spaces. The courts will
be clear. But the other thing is they had fourteen
jurors picked one went off because they had they were
sick or there was something that so they were down
to thirteen. But today they had to choose one to go.
Only twelve, we're going to decide because you can only
have twelve. They had a couple of extras because it

(01:06:47):
was such a long trial, and I thought that was
quite efficient of the Australian judicial system.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it would have been a hell
of a time to be on the ground in Aussie
when that story broke, and it seems to have not
let up in Australia. They have been captivated by it
like we all have.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
But this is a text to pushes back a little bit,
says hey, guys, a liar does not a murderer make
She actually got on with it in laws. I don't
think her ex husband is totally innocent in all this.
It's great being on New Zealand and not Australia, so
we can we don't have to sprinkle allegedlys everywhere now
her ex husband is I don't think her ex husband
is totally innocent in all this. It just doesn't add

(01:07:23):
up why she would want to kill the in laws.
So this is someone that's someone on the other other side.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
And fair enough too.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
But I'm just reading through what the austrained husband testified
in the trials. So Simon Patterson, he told the court
about their strained relationship and turning down an invite to
that fatal lunch. But that texture is quite right. It
appeared some of the evidence was presented that even though
there was a strained relationship between her and her ex husband,

(01:07:50):
the in laws wasn't too bad.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:07:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
This person says, you know, we were just talking to
a reporter from Perth saying that everyone's covering it. More en,
see everyone's covering it. This person says, No, I moved
to Perth after the christ chich earthqake and earthquake in
twenty eleven, nothing or at all about it on the
media in Perth.

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
Wow, this is text that was different to Olli Peterson,
who's on the ground in Perth.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
I can't believe that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
No, surely you would have heard of it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I mean, every news broadcast in Australia is absolutely covenant.
I wonder if your charges this text ask is bringing
Beef Wellington into disrepute. Differently, I'm a personally huge fan
of Beef Wellington. My youngest son makes a fantastic beef Wellington,
but I just haven't been as excited about beef Wellington. Yeah,
since this case, it's put me off the beef Wellington.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
That should be ten years in prison alone. Oh, one
hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number to call.
What's your thoughts on the Mushroom Cook trial the trial
of Aaron Patterson. Have you been captivated? What is it
about the trial that you have been so fascinated by?
And which way do you think it's going to go?
As the jury starts its deliberations, it is seventeen to
three bag very shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
And I just see a text that come through. I
was waiting how long before the fun guy jokes came through?
Fung guy puns are coming in strong. All right, good to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
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Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Very good afternoon. We're talking about the Mushroom Cook trial,
the trial of Aaron Patterson. It is somethink that everybody
is talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Sorry, I had to do that. I got another text
about the sumpthink and I couldn't help myself.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Where does the thump think come from?

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
I know, just a good Southern slam.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Well I said earthcake before and said earthquake, so both
of us are unable to speak properly, NICKI says, I've
been following the case day by day. She's a pathological liar,
no doubt, but I don't believe she was bright enough
to actually do it without taking herself out. There's also
no clear motive. Yeah, the motive. I'm struggling to find
what the exact motive is as well. I believe they

(01:09:53):
won't get to the beyond reasonable doubt level and she
will be not guilty. Be really interesting life for her
post being found not guilty if she was found not guilty.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean the motive that the prosecution has
argued was the strained relationships with her in laws and
a strange but as we mentioned, but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Why do you need to invite them around? She looked
like she had to coerce them with the succulent beef Wellington,
She had to send multiple texts to get people round
and such. It just feels like she could have just
let them go about their business.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Yeah, there's a lot of it that doesn't make a
lot of sense. But keen to get your views on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Allan, what do you reckon?

Speaker 18 (01:10:33):
Well, you've got to look at the evidence, and the
evidence provided so far was she researched those poisonous mushrooms,
then she went out and got mushrooms, and then she
lied where she got them from. That she's been proven
wrong and caught on that. And then to top it off,

(01:10:56):
she didn't have a dehydrator, so she went and got
a dehydrator. It was planned initially and all the way
through and at the end of it the dehydrator and
denied having one. And when she has approped, she had
it been, she admitted it. And so she didn't like

(01:11:19):
her in laws, so having them there for her last
meal was one way of doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Yeah, it's interesting though, Allan like the defense contends that
the deaths were accidental, emphasizing a lack of intent Petterson's
claims she used a mix of store board and forage
mushrooms without knowledge of their toxicity. This is what they're claiming,
not saying that they're right. They have to come up
with a defense. She she also fell ill after the meal,
indicating no intent to harm, and she's expressed her love

(01:11:49):
for her in laws and denied any desire to harm them.
She stated she discarded the dehydrator out of fear of
being blamed, not to destroy evidence, because some of those
things alan when you look at it, what she did
with her phone and what she did with the dehydrator
might be the case. And I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
It might be the case that she goes, oh no,

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I'm accused of this. They're looking at me, and then
she thinks of the things that may make her look guilty,
even if she didn't do it. She's just looking at
the things that might make her feel guilty, and by
trying to, you know, cover up these things, it's made
her look more guilty. Do you think there's any possibility
of that, Allen.

Speaker 8 (01:12:28):
Absolutely, I was about to come to the phone. She
went and the folded her phone back to factory reset
to get rid.

Speaker 18 (01:12:36):
Of all history on looking up poisonous mushrooms and where
you could find so bad and where she went with
her phone deleted all that history.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
It certainly doesn't look good.

Speaker 22 (01:12:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
No, The thing I can't figure when, sorry, Ellen.

Speaker 18 (01:12:52):
You go to there they'll work out and the evidence
will show that she did have an intent.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
The thing I can't quite work out, and this doesn't
really add to the evidence of the trial. But dehydrated
mushrooms for beef Wellington. Is that ordinarily how you do
beef Wellington. I would have thought it would be fresh mushrooms.
What the hell would you use dehydrated?

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Is that something to do with her research into these
death cat mushrooms? And maybe they need to be dehydrated
to get the amount ierhabs maximum poison. I'm absolutely speculating here.
I don't know anything about death cat mushrooms. My beef
Wellington's I make are completely above board, but maybe you
need to dehydrate them so you can get the maximum

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amount of poison in the mouthful kind of situation.

Speaker 8 (01:13:37):
They are white in color as opposed to a normal
black and white based mushroom, the white flesh right round.

Speaker 18 (01:13:44):
Yeah, so to try and hide the sauce affair.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, I mean, beef Wellington's not an easy dish to make,
so it's if she did do it, it's quite evil
to spend that long I'm making a dish. You know,
you could just do an Irish stew. That's pretty easy
a casse. You know, maybe some mushrooms on toast.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
I'd never say no to a beef Wellington. So that's
the gens behind it. If she is guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
If she is guilty, then the beef Wellington was a
honey trap, because if someone invites me around for a
beef Wellington, I'm going round.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
Yeah, absolutely right, one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
How she cooked the beef Wellington, whether it was you know, rear, medium,
rare care At that point, what we're not getting is
any reviews of the beef Wellington, because you know.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
We need pictures. We need to see how succulent that meets.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
It would be hard to give it a positive review
after you end up in hospital, certainly, what much harder
if you know dead.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call.
We'll pick this back up very shortly. And just a reminder,
the Westpec Chopper appeal is on now. They are absolute
great Kiwis and they need our help. So to donate,
go to Choperapeal dot co dot nz.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Just text. It says the dehydrating of the poisonous shrooms
reduces their flavor.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Ah so as an ability to hide that you might
be eating something about poisonous.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
So you have some mushrooms that are normal mushrooms in there,
you've got these poisonous ones potentially, and by dehydrating them,
you don't immediately bite and it go there's something wrong
and not want to eat the.

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
Rest of I love this chat. It is eight to three.

Speaker 6 (01:15:12):
The Issues that affect.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
You and a bit of fun along the way Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
Talks, EBB News Talks.

Speaker 5 (01:15:20):
It is five to three.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
I'm just looking at a recipe for beef Wellington. It
was actually a Gordon Ramsey recipe says well the beef
is cooling chop two hundred and fifty gram's chestnut and
wild if you like mushrooms.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Oh okay, So so it does suggest here it encourage
wild if you like Ramsey likes a bit of foraging.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
He doesn't say deathcat mushroom, that's not the recipe, but
he does say wild mushrooms. Yeah. So it is possible
that she was doing this recipe and she was like, oh,
wild mushrooms, I'll go and get them out. But someone says, hey, guys,
two things. One this is from NICKI thank for your text.
You're using rational thought to discuss. Not sure that's particularly
rational to dehydrate to hide the taste of the mushrooms. Yeah,

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that's the whole thing. Someone says, you know, she's probably
going to get off on the case of being mentally
unwell boys one hundredercent guilty, but we'll get off on
psychological grounds. Yeah, So maybe she hasn't been rational about
the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Yeah, And just to that point on the texture, Maybe
that's part of what makes it captivating, is if she
is rational that premeditation of cooking this beautiful beef Wellington.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
Well it wasn't that beautiful in the end, was it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
But that premeditation aspect is there is something if she
is guilty, particularly evil about that. And I think that
adds into the Agatha Christie type situation that this has
been presenting.

Speaker 5 (01:16:42):
Right, what a great discussion. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
And as we say, the jury I believe is due
to go out for deliberation very shortly. Mike Costkin thinks
I'll be done and dusted in forty minutes. Oli Peterson
thinks the same.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Steve Price thinks that she might get off.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Yeah, we will wait to see with baited bread coming
up after three o'clock. We want to hear your stories
on when you've needed the rescue helicopter to help you
out in a trouble spot. We're also going to have
a chat to StEB Grood, a big part of that organization.
And it is of course the Chopper Appeal Day.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
It's on now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
If you want to donate, go to Chopper Appeal dot
co dot NZ. Newsport and Weather on its way.

Speaker 6 (01:17:19):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
It's Matt Heathan Tyler Adams Afternoons with the Westpac Chopper Appeal.

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
No greater sounds when you need a news talks Evy.

Speaker 5 (01:17:29):
Very good afternoons you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
It is seven past three and yes, a big day
for the West Bank Rescue Helicopter organization. It is the
Chopper Appeal Day and they need our help to keep
those helicopters in the sky and helping thousands and thousands
of New Zealanders get this. Last year, the rescue choppers
around the country flew nine two hundred and eighty nine missions.
That is twenty five people per day.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
How many total sound and eighty nine missions in a year.
That is a lot of people rescued.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
It's amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:18:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
We went out there to add more to talk to
you know, some of these some of the crew, paramedics,
operations manager highlight. What I find incredible about it is
their day is that they prepare everything. They make sure
the choppers are safe, all their gears ready, but they
don't know what they're going to be called out to.
Most people in their day, you basically know what you're
going to do. Yeah, but they don't know. And when
it's a beacon that goes off, there's no information at

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all is what they're going to look at, what the
conditions are going to be when they get there. They
just have to be incredibly competent and ready to deal
with whatever comes up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Yep, exactly. So to donate, go to Chopper Appeal dot
co dot NZ. Very shortly we're going to have a
chat to Seb Grud. He is the head of fundraising
for Life Fight and a big part of this organization.
But before we get to Seb, we want to hear
from you. Have you or a family member ever had
to call upon these great kiwis the rescue helicompter when

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you've been in trouble. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
You have, Tyler, haven't you?

Speaker 19 (01:18:58):
I have?

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Now I needed to, And talking about personal locator beacons,
I had to set one off. This was three years
ago during the summer break and I was me and
a buddy were hiking Saint James Walkway, which is near
the lowest pass. So this is a five day tramp
and yeah, lovely, but it's not a difficult tramp.

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
I would say that it's one for the family. It's
one for the kids if you want to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
But we're on day two, and so we'd got to
the first heart, stayed the night on our way to
the second heart.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
The second huts called eight a hut, and just in.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
This beautiful little open field, and as we're walking along,
chatting about god knows what, completely flat, nothing around, and
all of a sudden, I just tripped And I don't
even know what I tripped over, but tripped on the track,
went over, rolled my ankle and heard a pop wow.
And instantly my mate was laughing at me, as he
probably should have been. But instantly I thought that pop

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didn't sound good. So sat down, pulled the sock off,
pulled a hiking boot off, and my ankle had ballooned up,
and I thought, oh, no, this is not good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
So how far were you from the cabin and also
what time of day was this?

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
It would have been about midday, so we would have
been five hours away from the next hut and probably
twelve hours away from the road. And we considered it
because we had hiking sticks, and I thought, right, do
we do I try and get myself out of here
because the hike was over.

Speaker 20 (01:20:16):
I knew at that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Point there's no tramping, no carrying on. We're not going
to get five days. Yeah, do we go to the
hearts and figure out what our nixt move is or
do we try And do you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Think you would have been able to make it to
the heart?

Speaker 21 (01:20:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
No, no, when that rules that out exactly. So how
quickly did you make the decision to call in? So
you had a personal located beat it lokecon, a personal
location beacon, personal locator beacon, personal locator beacon, Yes, yeah,
a PLB.

Speaker 5 (01:20:41):
PLB yep, So we had one of those, so we.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
So how long did it take from so you rolled
your ankle at twelve yep? And being a key we
mail as you are, you'll be going I don't want
to make a fastest this enough to call them in yep,
and did you M and R for how long?

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Fifteen minutes intil another group and this was a family
with young children who came past, and they pushed me
over the edge and say, don't be an idiot, just
set it off.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
There's no way you're going to walk out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
If you get to the next heart, you're gonna make
it way more difficult and complicated for the rescue guys.
So I thought, okay, this is the time I'd set
it off. And I had this PLB for about six
years and got into the open meadow and set it off.
And then we waited, and I felt bad, but I
started reading a book of all things, because what has.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
To you do?

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
Why you wait?

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
And it would have been about forty five minutes later
that then you start to hear the chopper in the
distance and they swoop and had the perfect landing.

Speaker 5 (01:21:37):
You could see them checking everything around.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
There were three people on board, and they told us
from the year to say stop where you are, don't
come any closer. Then they jump out, run up to us,
say what has happened? So I've rolled my handle busted
my ankle. Say cool, you're both coming with us, So
me and my mate jumped into the chopper.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
I mean, yeah, otherwise wander out by himself. It's pretty born.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. We couldn't do that to him. But
here's the cool thing that they did is they had
to drop him off to his car. So they took
off into the air and flew to Boil Villages where
it's called, and dropped down right into the car park,
dropped him off to his car so he could drive
back to christ Church, and then took me.

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
Straight to christ Church Hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
And it turned out I'd had I'd fractured my ankle
and torn a ligament, so there was no it was
a fracture.

Speaker 5 (01:22:24):
Yeah, fracture right, So there was no way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
There's no way you were getting out of there because
because initially we told the story, I laughed at you
and I said that that what were you doing? You
know that that this isn't enough of an emergency. But
I was totally wrong because when we were talking to Callum,
whose operations manager for Wispect Rescue how they copied out
at Aardmore, he said, you did absolutely the right thing,

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and Ian calling it fifteen minutes later, rather than he said,
the worst thing is people m and r about it
for a very long time and then it's getting late
and it just makes it difficult. So he was like,
what you were doing, it was the right thing. You
made the right assessment and and you know there was
no reason for you to be embarrassed or humiliated. You
The system worked. You need it, you needed help and

(01:23:06):
they got you out. Soies for laughing and geting you week.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
I needed that apology, thank you very much. But I
will say cool of me. I wasn't cool of you, mate,
And thankfully the stuff told you that. When we get
it to them on Monday, I was humbled. But I
will say you know when I jumped in and I
was feeling embarrassed, not anymore. But when I jumped into
the helicopter and we're flying back and the hid paramedics
said to me, he said, don't let this ever stop
you tramping. You need to get out there and enjoy

(01:23:32):
the wildlife. And you did the right right thing and
this beautiful country of ours, but don't ever let it
put you off tramping any.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
I is remember that absolutely, So you want to be safe.
Good on you for having a PLB. Absolutely, if you're
out in the water, do all those right things, tell
people where you're going to be, you know, have a locator. Absolutely.
But the reason, one of the reasons why we have
you know, and we're lucky enough to have these wispect
rescue shoppers is because we live in this beautiful country

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and we want to enjoy it. And most of the
time things are going to be okay, but sometimes they're
going to go wrong. So thank goodness we've got these
people that, these great New Zealanders that will will help
us when when we get things a little bit when
we were but unlucky.

Speaker 5 (01:24:12):
Absolutely, and we want to hear your stories.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, if you or
a family member have ever had to set off a
PLB or required the services of the rescue helicopter, give
us a buzz. Love to hear what happened and why
you needed to set off that PLB and what happened
when you're rescued by these great New Zealanders.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
And Tyler Dude says this Texter Dude says, James, you
live in New Zealand, not the USA. It's called tramping here,
not hiking.

Speaker 6 (01:24:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
Yeah, it's controversial there and James's spot on, But I
kind of like hiking.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
When the Americans go hiking, it can just be a
one kilometer walk, yeah, but tramping su is just a proper,
proper mish.

Speaker 6 (01:24:51):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number call coming up. We're going to have a chat
to Seb Grud. He is the head of fundraising for
Life Fight. But keen to get your stories. It is
fourteen past three, very good afternoons. It is seventeen past three.
So joining us now is Seb Grud. He is the
head of fundraising for Life Flight in Wellington. He's a

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good man and he joins us now get a set.

Speaker 26 (01:25:15):
Gooday, thanks so much for having me. Great to be
with you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Now your work is head of the fundraising for the
Life Flight sounds incredibly impactful. Is there a memorable story
of a rescue that's particularly touched you?

Speaker 26 (01:25:28):
Sure, Look, they're all special, but being a young father,
the ones that are for the little ones are probably
the most moving for me. And it's a real privilege
when our patients choose to keep in touch and they
share this. So I've just recently reminded of one actually,
and it involved little twins girls born prematurely on a
rural farm nearby. This is like two in the morning,

(01:25:50):
rarely urgent stuff. They've got to get to Wellington Hospital
minutes at stake, and this is where we've got crew
on base and crew quarters asleep, ready to fly twenty
four to seven. So they're kicking to gear and with
thanks to the night vision goggles, we're able to land
in the backyard. And you can imagine the relief that
the family had when they those chopper blades. They knew
help was there and their babies would be okay. And

(01:26:13):
you know, a long story short, We're able to get
them to care and they sent me this photo and
I had these two girls now like zany, happy, full
of life, and that gives you a really good feeling.
I'm sure you can imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Yeah, wow, I mean, it would have been pretty incredible
getting that photo after that sort of rescue. So, Seb,
I hear you enjoy a bit of surfing in your
downtime during your surfing missions, have you ever needed the
help of the rescue chopping?

Speaker 26 (01:26:38):
Good question. So, I mean, like a lot of careers
love the ocean, but it does take you to some
pretty remote spots, whether you're diving, swimming, surfing, fishing, or
maybe definitely not hiking, but maybe tramping on a proper muss,
you might say. But A yeah, I wasn't there to stay,
but a friend of mine has actually needed it. It
was a really bad surfing accident, a really terrible situation,

(01:26:58):
just an unlucky thing that could happen to anybody. And now, look,
I'll be blacklisted by the surfing community if i reveal
the secret spots on air. So I can't tell you
where this was, but rest is your This is like
pretty remote, can't easily get there with a car. Serious.
So our lovely chief pilot Harry was at the controls
that day. He managed to touch the chopper down right
next to where this guy was. We're really fortunate he

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didn't drown. As one of our maides, it's had a
happy ending. But this is a close thing. And I
actually saw this guy out in the water just a
few weeks ago when we were surfing, and it's a
moment where nothing needs to be said, but you know,
you see someone like that able to go home to
their families, making the most of life, happy and healthy
and yeah for me that one, that one cut pretty
close to him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Yeah, we're talking to see grud He had a fundraising
for life Flight. What inspired you to work and rescue
chopper fundraising?

Speaker 26 (01:27:49):
Well, fun fundraising has to best drive in the world.
But it can be super challenging, but it's especially in
the current economic climate, but it's it's an awesome, awesome
thing to be part of. I've worked here at life
Flight supporting the westpat Chopper for over a decade and
it's an industry that I fell into twenty years ago
where my lovely partner and I came home from are
We and you know, it's a job that I've just

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loved ever since. We get to deal with amazing people
as fundraisers and there's a lot of doom and gloom
out there, unsettling stuff that's going on in the world,
and the cool thing about my job is it's a
real antidote to that. I get to deal with these
amazing kiwis. They're soul of the earth, generous people. They
donate just because they're kind, people who care. They want
to make a difference, they want to help their fellow kiwis.

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They want to keep our respect chopper flying, and you
know it gives you a lot of hope dealing with
all these people that are doing these good deeds and
sort of helping them do that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Who can call a WESPEC rescue chopper And what should
kiwis know about how to use the WESPEC rescue choppers
if they should need help for an accent or a
medical event. And what should they do in advance of
going out, say on the water on the bush, so
they can get hold of the Wistpac rescue choppers if
they need them.

Speaker 26 (01:29:02):
It's a good question. So one one one is obviously
your number one port of call, and those lovely call
takers who are there day or night can determine whether
a Westpac chopper or another emergency helicopters the right way
to your help. The other thing that people can do
is there's amazing resources from the Mountain Safety Council and

(01:29:23):
other safety outfits in New Zealand who can educate you
about getting a personal locate to beacon. I heard you
guys digging up the PLBs briefly before. Thank you. They're
so awesome. They only cost a few hundred dollars. Now
if you've got a loved one that goes into the outdoors,
it's a great Christmas present. The neat thing you can
do is register them.

Speaker 20 (01:29:42):
Please do that.

Speaker 26 (01:29:43):
That gives us background information about how to reach your
next of kin. When it pings, we actually can find
out who you are, maybe some medical goodnitions you might have.
Maybe there's a next of kin that we can phone
to find out who you might be with. That's really helpful.
But then all of you got outdoor stuff, let people
know your intentions, check the weather prep gear accordingly and

(01:30:03):
use common sense. Is there anyone could call one one
one and anyone can ping a locate to beacon if
they need help?

Speaker 17 (01:30:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
Great?

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Is there a bit of you know this, she'll be
right attitude that still needs to be broken down a
little bit step that if you've got the phone that's
in rangeer, you've got the PLB and you get yourself
into a bit of strife, that it is better safe
than sorry, that if you are feeling that you are
in a dangerous situation, to just set it off rather
than keep trying to move forward or get yourself out
of there, because sometimes that can make things a bit

(01:30:31):
more challenging for the group generally.

Speaker 26 (01:30:34):
Look, putting your hand up and saying you need help
in life, whether that's an emergency situation or otherwise, is
the right thing to do early rather than trying to
tough it out. So yep, I think if you're not sure,
call one one one, or worst case, pull that locator beacon.
Don't wait, as sooner we know what's happening. As sooner
we can find the best way to come and help
you out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
We're till going to seb grud. Oh sorry you continue, No.

Speaker 26 (01:30:54):
That's fine, I'm just going to interest. That shall be
right thing.

Speaker 20 (01:30:57):
I'd say.

Speaker 26 (01:30:57):
You know, the majority of people that we fly, they
have just gotten in an unlucky situation. And you know,
anyone can have a heart attack or a stroke out
of the blow any now that might be in an
outdoor scenario or not so, or a car accident. These
things can happen to any of us. So that the
Shelby right thing, I think is not I don't see
too much of that, but sure it's out there. We're

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all keywies.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
We're talking to see Grued, head of fundraising for Lifeline.
How important are donations to the operations of rescue choppers
and New Zealand.

Speaker 26 (01:31:27):
Said utterly, utterly, So you know there's a there's a
several thousand dollars shortfall and funding every time we head
out to help somebody, and we're really lucky to have
companies like Westpac behind us. They've been sponsoring us for
forty four years. A fantastic and I'm sure I've already
mentioned it, but they've got the Westpac Chopper Appeal if

(01:31:48):
I can just beg it up right now, they're raising
funds for all of New Zealand's rescue helicopters. People can
donate at Chopper Appeal dot co dot and z and
from there they can just choose their local rescue helicopter
that they want to support. That money comes straight to us.
Without that, we can't fly. That covers costs like fuel, maintenance,
wages for our life savers, and helps us buy equipment
like you knows harnesses and patient bing tolay. That's all

(01:32:10):
that critical stuff. So without the keywis, we can't keep going.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
Yeah, Seb, We've loved chatting with you. Thank you very much.
Keep up the good work.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
It's an amazing organization and you work with amazing people.
We love catching up with some of those people on
Monday and we'll catch up again soon.

Speaker 26 (01:32:25):
Thanks so much, guys. Big love to everyone WHISPEC concluding
and all the others who support us. We just appreciate
you all. And it's just a quick shout out to
my amazing partner Sarah. Love you, darling. I'm going to
be home late. I'm going to a respect fundraising quiz
for the chopper appeal.

Speaker 5 (01:32:39):
Nicely done. See if you're a good man. That is Seb.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
That is Seb Grudd, the head of fundraising at Life
Flight Wellington, part of the WESPEC Rescue Helicopter Network. How
do people donate, Tyler Well, Maddie, they can go to
tropa Appeal dot co dot z go there now. They
need our support and they rely on funding to save
good kiwis like yourself. If you've ever needed them, and
I was going to say myself, I'm a good Kiwi.

(01:33:04):
I think so when I needed saving they helped me out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
You're above average.

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
Yeah, thank you mate. It's twenty five past three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Your home of afternoon talk man Ethan Taylor Adams Afternoon
with a west Pak Chopper Appeal. Help keep this sound
in the sky. Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk, say'd.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Be it's twenty eight past three and it is the
worst pank. Chopper Appeal it is on right now. To donate,
go to Chopper Appeal dot co dot nz.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
I'm there right now. I'm there right now, donating right now.

Speaker 5 (01:33:34):
And how much do you put in it?

Speaker 13 (01:33:36):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Look, there's there's some options here. I look, I'm going
to start with it to I'll just ease into it
with a fifty yep, yeah, to go to fifty Yeah,
good man, Maybe work my way up.

Speaker 5 (01:33:45):
That's a good amount. Fifty bucks is a good amount
that will go a long way. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Look if I was, if I was a dishonest broadcaster,
I could have lied there and see it five hundred.
But you know thirty fifty, one hundred and two hundred,
you know, five hundred custom amount. What do you want?

Speaker 6 (01:33:59):
Yeap?

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
Massive donate something, yeah, massively important. It's a great organization.
But we've asked for your stories. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. When have you needed to call the rescue
for yourself or a family member or a friend and
what happened? Love to have a chat with you, Brittany,
You've got a story about needing to call the rescue chopper.

Speaker 17 (01:34:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:34:20):
I didn't call it, my dad did, but I thought
it was a good story.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
To call in about tell us more.

Speaker 11 (01:34:28):
So when I was a lot younger I'm thirty now,
my brother he actually fell out of the tree in
Coromandel Town, the pepper tree.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Ah, wow, I love Coromandel Town.

Speaker 9 (01:34:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:34:41):
So he felt faced birth and they called that ambulance
and my dad actually wanted the Westpac there, the helicopter.

Speaker 5 (01:34:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:34:51):
And if he went in the ambulance, he would have
he would have made it. So he actually died in
the helicopter and they brought him back to life.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Wow, oh my goodness. And so how long did it?

Speaker 15 (01:35:02):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
How did how did you call in? You called one
one one was it? Or your father called one one one?

Speaker 13 (01:35:07):
Yeah, my dad?

Speaker 11 (01:35:08):
Yeah. Well I was the first one to see it,
and I ran inside to get my parents and my parents'
friends because it was both my brothers and me and
the tree were all climbing it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
How was how old was your brother at this point, Brittany?

Speaker 11 (01:35:23):
I think he was about seven?

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Oh yeah, yeah right, So they must have been terrifying
for you. So did he hit the ground and you
just went, there's something seriously wrong here.

Speaker 11 (01:35:33):
Well, he fell face first, and I just know everyone
forgot that. I was there for a second and they
moved like pulled him around, and yeah, his face was
quite bad. And I just remember saying he was going
to turn into a peg because I was so little. Yeah, yeah,
so it was quite traumatizing for me. But it was
actually on my birthday as well.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Oh no, and so and so when your dad called
one one one, how long before you saw the chopper
coming in the distance.

Speaker 11 (01:36:02):
It was so quiet, like they got there before the ambulance.
So and my mom went in there with them. So yeah,
it was really quick.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
And how is your brother now? Did you know? And
how was his recovery?

Speaker 11 (01:36:14):
He had to get like classic surgery and stuff on
his space, so it was quite bad and he was
in hospital for a quite.

Speaker 25 (01:36:21):
A long time.

Speaker 11 (01:36:24):
But I remember he had I can't remember the name
of the Robbie player, but he had one of the
Robbie players go on and see him and stuff while
he was in there. But yeah, it would have been
a different story if the Westpac wasn't there, he probably
wouldn't be here today.

Speaker 5 (01:36:35):
So wow, Yeah, that is a great story, Brittany, And
you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
You know, that's why we're asking for these stories, is
that to have these guys on hands when something like
that goes wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
Life saving.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
And Brittany, do you do you say to your brother often,
I save your life?

Speaker 6 (01:36:53):
You owe me?

Speaker 11 (01:36:56):
Yeah, I say, he owes me a birthday because you
hold on to that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Yeah, well it sounds like you did the the you
know what a what a responsible thing for for a
little child to do that. That's phenomenal, Brittany And yeah,
so glad they could get there to help you your
brother out.

Speaker 19 (01:37:12):
Yeah, it's just cool to.

Speaker 11 (01:37:14):
See them still, like you know, after all these years,
they're still going strong the West Pact. So big up
to them because obviously if it wasn't for them, I
probably wouldn't have my brother here today.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
So Brittany so very well said, thank you very much
for giving us a buzz and having a chat. Oh
eight hundred eighty teen eighty is the number to call.
There's so many stories coming through on the text machine
as well. Nine two ninety two if you want to
send a text.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
I've been delivered to Auckland Hospital by Westpac Rescue chopper
after a catastrophic bleed post surgery. I can still see
the lovely dock holding the squad britty to stuff down
my throat. Should the bleed restart far out?

Speaker 5 (01:37:47):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Keep those stories coming through on nine two nine two
headlines with rayling coming up. If you can't get through
on the phones, keep trying. But oh, eight hundred eighty
teen eighty is the number to.

Speaker 6 (01:37:55):
Call us talks.

Speaker 15 (01:37:59):
It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble
with a blue bubble. The Government's told Auckland Council to
allow apartments at fifteen story high near the Mungafoe, Kingsland
and Morningside City rail Link train stations. At least ten
story apartments will be required around the Mount Albert and
Baldwin Avenue stations. The US President has posted a parody

(01:38:23):
of the Beach Boys Barbara Anne, replacing the words with
bomb Iran as an uneasy ceasefire holds between Iran and Israel.
A bill making the tab Our sole legal provider of
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You can see the story at enzid here Ald Premium.
Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 5 (01:39:19):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty four to
for the Westpac Chopper Appeal.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
It is on right now and they need our help
to keep that familiar thump thump noise in the sky.
It is a lifeline for so many people. Last year
the rescue choppers around the country flew and eighty nine
mission sets twenty five people a day, and every donation
helps keep those rescue helicompter's flying, saving lives when every
second count. So to donate, please go to Chopper Repeal

(01:39:45):
dot co dot nz. It vitally important. They rely on
our help and it is such a great organization and
great people that are involved as well. Now we are
talking about your stories about needing the help of the
rescue helicompter.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
To call, Gloria. Ooh gosh, oh my god.

Speaker 27 (01:40:03):
Yeah, okay, so quickly, what happens?

Speaker 12 (01:40:07):
Mi?

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Sorry, Gloria, Matt was so excited to chat with you
that he came in hot and he's been he's been
choking on his beautiful cup of tea. There, Tyler Press,
the PLB caught off. We need the chopper to come
and rescue Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Apologies, Gloria, sorry about that.

Speaker 27 (01:40:23):
No, no, that's okay. He I was just standing there
all alive, and he run one one one, and luckily
the power came back on, so we had water and he.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Glory, can we just go back and saying your hair
was on fire?

Speaker 27 (01:40:43):
My hair could on fire?

Speaker 14 (01:40:45):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
And and how did that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Gloria?

Speaker 27 (01:40:49):
There was a power of black out all over a plant.
We lift a candle and at that time I snowed, disagreed,
and I gently bent my head down to light it
by the candle, and I put lack on my head
to put it out of my eyes. It was down
to my should watching me curly food and it just

(01:41:12):
went through. All I remember was hearing wash, wow, pearful,
and I was standing near. He said, all the light
and luckily for me, the power came back on. He
got me in the shower. Apparently he won one one
one And at that time we lived in osten Wahiki Island.
When you ran one one one, the police and the

(01:41:33):
ambulance came and he my t shirt had burnt into
my back. And the next thing I vaguely remember walking
out and there was these mean and our lounge, dressed
in black and they said to me, here you go, love,
put this on to keep your warm. And it was

(01:41:56):
silver and it was a sheet, a boon sheet. And
they took me down to Souscar and the Westpac helicopter
cat was they're waiting for me. They put me in
there and they landed me on the roof of Middlemoor Hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Wow, and tell us about your recovery.

Speaker 27 (01:42:19):
And you know, man, if you saw at my photos
are horrific. It looks like I did a part in
a horror movie like face. They thought I'd lose an eye.
I lost the top of an ear. The horrific they
gave me a copy of my photos and I came

(01:42:41):
around in the peter and they were trying to put
a needle into my hand and I said, no, you
can't do that. And the chappie who operated on me,
and it wasn't I think it was three weeks later.
They waited that amount of time before they used to operate.
Then they used to give me a stay line draft

(01:43:04):
every morning, and they put this cream on to eat
all the dead feat That was all good. And I've
got I had a big grasp. They had to cut
the one out of my back. It's from the center
of my knee to the tip of my left shoulder.
It's a big graft on the tough the left shoulder

(01:43:24):
and a grasp down by the wrist. That's what I
had done.

Speaker 5 (01:43:29):
Wow.

Speaker 27 (01:43:29):
And it was Harry Mellows who operation on me.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
And how are you now, Gloria, Oh, I'm fine.

Speaker 27 (01:43:40):
Now and I'm fine.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
Well, that's such an amazing story. And thank goodness wist
Pac helicopter was there.

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
Yeah, boy oh boy, how horrific.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
And as you say, thankfully the Tropic could come and
whisk it a Middleware hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
And these kind of crazy intense things can happen. Yeah,
I really thank you so much for sharing your story, Gloria.
That's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
Oh eight hundred and eighty and eighty is the number
to call full lines at the moment. If you can't
get through, keep trying, but love to hear your stories
about when you needed the Westpac Rescue helicopter.

Speaker 5 (01:44:08):
It's nineteen to four, the issues.

Speaker 6 (01:44:11):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons with the Westpac Chopper Appeal
donated Chopper Appeal dot co dot in Ze News talk.

Speaker 5 (01:44:21):
Z'd be yes, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
The Westpac Chopper Appeal is on now, which is why
we're chatting about your stories on when you needed to
call the Westpac Chopper to help you out in times
of trouble and man, oh man, we've had so many
stories come through. O.

Speaker 5 (01:44:35):
One hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Dean Welcome to show your experiences with the Westpac Rescue choppers.

Speaker 14 (01:44:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:44:42):
Yeah, so I've had two experiences. The first one one
was with my daughter. We live over a place called
mattacowow Over on the on the RCTI Peninsula. I've led
away a few there, and my daughter was diving off
the off the point, or just sort of snorkeling in
that she went to dive down and pick something up

(01:45:05):
that she'd dropped, and a sting ray came and drave
it's barbed through her forearm. So yeah, and as as
you're probably aware of a phil of ammonia, so yeah,
and she was sort of going into shock. The they
had us on the line. We never even knew that

(01:45:25):
the holly was coming. We thawt, an ambulance was on
its faith and then all of a sudden the helicopter
appeared and it was.

Speaker 10 (01:45:32):
Great, you know, like super So there was one instance
just before you go on to the second one, Dean, Well,
what was that feeling like as a dad, because I
imagine you, Mott, you would have been going into panic
and shock yourself and then you hear that chopper coming
over the distance.

Speaker 5 (01:45:46):
There must have been a hell of a feeling.

Speaker 28 (01:45:48):
Well, we have a we have a thing called first
responders over there that part of the fiber gade, and
we had a chat there who was actually he had
bought he had a he had a like a Bunsen
burner in his car and he is boiling off water
and he is kept putting a hot cloth on it,
which was absolutely really really really hot, and it was

(01:46:11):
obviously supercomfortable for my daughter. Yeah, but he was just
trying to get the ammonia out of the cat. When
we obviously got to I think we flew to middle
More and yeah, they flushed it out through there with saline,
squirting it right through the ole where the barb had been,
and they just kept doing that and obviously washed it
all out. Didn't have any heavy any issues after that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
But so so she's all good.

Speaker 29 (01:46:37):
What's she like in the water, Oh, she's loved, she's
she's got she's obsessed with stingrays. I don't know, but
she's all our kids a water babies. Of course we've
set a grand.

Speaker 15 (01:46:49):
Up with the.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
That's good to hear.

Speaker 28 (01:46:52):
No, No, the other issue now, the instance was about
thirty odd years ago. I think it was the other
sponsored West West Pact was West was Winfield Helicopter. I
think that the end of the same organized the same
rescue helicopter and we were climbing over the paratu to

(01:47:13):
Irock at Waterpoo. It's an island that sits out there
climbing over the top and it's all shale on the top,
and my friend lost his putting and he slid all
the way down into a bit of a bit of
a ravine on the seaside, so they couldn't really see
where he was. So I was able. I ran all

(01:47:35):
the way back to what they got watapool, lodged there
and we made a phone call. Obviously, west back calicopter
came out at the land on the beach. They couldn't
see where he was, so I had to go up
in the helicopter again and show him exactly where he was,
and they pulled him off the rock there. So yeah,
another another another good experience with the safety team.

Speaker 6 (01:47:58):
So that was great.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
Yeah, yeah, thanks so much for your called Dan. Yeah,
thank goodness for them. And that's what we sort of
discovered when we were talking to them. You know, the
guys that run out of Ardmore as you arrived there.
In some times you can't find person. Yeah yeah, you know,
and you know, you know, he's had to go up
and show him where he was, but you can get
the GPS location and you still got to look for
the person, and it can be in challenging weather conditions

(01:48:20):
or terrain or whatever. Yeah, they do an amazing job.

Speaker 5 (01:48:23):
Absolutely, they do.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
Elaine, You've also had two occasions where you needed the
help of the rescue chopper.

Speaker 22 (01:48:30):
Yes, well, two family members and the third one where
I was responsible. The first one was my grandson This
is about ten twelve years ago, and he broke his
elbow at school and they the powers to be decided

(01:48:51):
that they would just HELICOPTERI because we live in tom
and Nui, so White Kado's our hospital and they chopped
him in, they pinned his elbow and he was home,
you know.

Speaker 14 (01:49:04):
Since the operation was finished.

Speaker 22 (01:49:05):
So that was it was alright, Yeah, because we were
we were down on a farming station and so twenty
years ago we were a trial from yit at a
hospital to be first respondent for Saint John's. So a
number of us scattered around the quite teky red Rookie

(01:49:27):
Valley and so we did our Saint John's course room.
I was called out a couple of times and then once.
So when we did that, we also, of course our
names years ago were taken away at the mailbox, so
you were given your you know, a number on the box.
But being a Saint John's responder. We were also given

(01:49:51):
GPS and coordinates. So anyway, one day there's two hunters
arrived on the quad bike and they'd been hunting at
the neighbor's property way up in the bush and and
Wayne gofee, female look rather bend.

Speaker 5 (01:50:10):
And say.

Speaker 22 (01:50:13):
Yeah right yeah, and and they said, oh, we've come
to seek your help.

Speaker 14 (01:50:23):
We've contacted the the what the hell do you call it?

Speaker 22 (01:50:29):
One one one, and they're sending a helicopter from.

Speaker 14 (01:50:34):
Talpo, but they've got to go.

Speaker 22 (01:50:35):
To Awakuni to pick up the owner to tell us
where to go. And I said, oh, well, I've got GPS,
so straight away.

Speaker 6 (01:50:44):
I rung the.

Speaker 22 (01:50:47):
The one of them people and they transferred my GPS
to the helicopter and he was there within five minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:50:54):
Man, lucky they had you there, Elane.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
I mean, a broken femur is no good for anybody,
but thank god, good people like you are in our
rural community. Thank you very much for your story. A
couple of texts to get to the air.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
Break many years ago, missing and cook straight whilst diving.
After about an hour, the WISP pack chopper hovert over me.
I w day, waved back and flew off three hours later,
I was picked up by a yacht. I think I
drifted too far in the wrong direction for them to
think I was the right guy. I still don'tnate to them.
They do a fantastic jobs.

Speaker 22 (01:51:23):
Cli.

Speaker 5 (01:51:23):
Yeah, great text, and this is a beautiful text as well. Hello.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
My name is Chloe. I am twelve years old. My
dad was squashed under a quad bike with major breakages.
The phone line is engaged and I can't get through,
but dad says to call back if you want the
rest Here. Westpac Rescue helicopter came through and saved my dad.
So thank you very much for that text, Chloe. That's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
I mean it's just hundreds of calls and thousands of
texts from people that want to tell their stories. So
you know, that's just a testament to what great New
Zealand is. The west Pac.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
Rescue Chopper people are absolutely and today is the day
to give them a hand. So that website to donate
is choumper appeal dot co dot NZ. Let's keep that
sound in the sky and support the Westpak Chopper Appeal
because there's no great to sound when you need it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:10):
It is nine to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
The Big Stories, the Big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Used
Talk SEDB coming up at four. It's Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.

Speaker 30 (01:52:25):
Hiland is not getting banged to back when we spend
on infrastructure, obviously, but you know the new report tells
us this Israel's embassador will be with us to discuss
the shaky seaspire with the run plus more than nine
thousand people get super and they still earn more than
two hundred thousand dollars a year?

Speaker 5 (01:52:39):
Should they be cut off?

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
All of that on the show from four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Asking the questions, getting the information you need. Heather Duplessy
Allen Drive with One New Zealand next on News Talk SEDB.

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Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
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all your great New Zealanders for listening to the show.
Thank you so much for your calls and text. We've
had a great time chatting. Hope you've had a good
time listening. The Met and Tyler Afternoons podcast will be
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(01:53:15):
pod wherever you get your pods. These Sir Paul Holmes
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but right now, Tyler, my good friend, tell me why
I'm playing the.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Song just the Headless Chickens Choppers. Yeah, why would I
be playing the Headless Chickens Shoppers? Of course the weisbeg.
Chopper Appeal is on now and just a reminder, please
go to Chopperappeal dot co dot m Z to donate.

Speaker 5 (01:53:38):
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