Full Show Podcast: 26 November 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 26th of November, Brian Tamaki's Destiny Church has plans for a march across the Auckland Harbour Bridge - should some places just be no protest zones?

Then a big old philosophical discussion around the skills we'd need if the internet was destroyed or civilization as we know it came to a screaming halt.

Then to finish - employment lawyer Gareth Abdinor. 

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Hello you great, you said, listen. Welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show, Podcast number two five one for Wednesday,
the twenty sixth of November in the Year of Our
Lord twenty twenty five. Really really, really, really really fun
show today with the Yeah, civilization breakdown sounds grim, but
there was lots of amusing calls and deep calls on
that issue. We had Gareth Edden all with some some

(00:38):
pretty pretty handy employment knowledge, and there was something else
we talked about.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
A protesting on bridges Temockey.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
On the Bridge, Ay into it? Are you entered or
should you just protest at home? Yeah?

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Speaker 1 (00:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:07):
Talk said, Welcome in too, Wednesday show. It is seven
past one, so good, so good to have you with
us as always, Get.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
A mate, get our great New Zealanders. Where you're tuning
in now? This morning I was walking my dog Colin beautiful,
beautiful weather at the moment, and it was a very
uplifting situation. It's good boy Colin ah and just being
out in nature. But I saw a celebrity. I was
walking my dog, Nick minute, I see a celebrity, right?
Can you guess which celebrity I saw?

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I'm going to throw out some names here. Tiger waitit No,
although he was spotted in possibly the other day by
some other people Jermaine Clement. No, I'm just going to
go through Flood of the Concords characters here.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Was not anyone from Flight of the Concords.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well is it a movie star or a TV star
or a musician?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, Tyler, the clue was in how I said I
saw the celebrity. When I said, I was walking my
dog Colin. Next minute, I saw a celebrity. Ah Levi Hawkin.
I saw the.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
This my scooter outside the theory, Nick minute.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I saw the Nick Minute guy.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
What a legend that guy is. Did you have a
chat with them?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I did. What a lovely champion is too? Yeah, amazing dude,
didn't he He is a lovely guy. And our dogs
are interacted. But it's very hard when you run into
the Nick Minute guy to not say Nick minute about something.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
No, you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Incredible. I'm just looking at that video that I just
played now, millions and millions and millions of players of
that Nick minute. Yeah, it was a meme before there
was a meme. Yeah, are people still Nick minuting?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, I've heard it before. Actually, I think there was
a fellow yesterday when we were talking about paper roads.
He sneaked in a Nick Minute there in some stage.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
So that that has lasted a long time. When was
he original Nick minute or that must have been Okay,
this this video here is from fourteen years ago.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, that sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, so anyway, Nick.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Minute, what was his dog like? His dog was a
good boy?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Two dogs actually right, yeah, good boys and one was big,
one was small, but they very well behaved.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Very good artist, I think actually yva hawknh, I think Andrew.
Don't you have a piece of his art? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
And a great skater as well, Yeah, be a.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Very good skater. That hell bombing is unreal.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
So hell of a celebrity sliding exciting for me?

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Nice mate? Yeah, yeah, your rankings have just gone up.
Right on to today's show after three point thirty because
it is a Wednesday and we get them in once
a month. Our employment Laura Gareth Abdena will be back
in studio to help you with any issue you've got
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Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, getting early nine two nine two. If it's a
really interesting one that we think will help other people,
then you read you yourself early and we might might
get you on the line after three thirty.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yep, get an earlier because it's always popular after three o'clock.
A video, lovely video, it's gone viral. A viral of
a kind road worker who I a mother duck and
to duck clean safely across a busy road in christ.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
This is such a wholesome, feel good video. It is
lovely if you've seen it, look and so we just thought,
you know, why don't we do why don't we celebrate wholesome, lovely,
cute things on our show? So if you've seen something
like this, someone just doing something good and nice and wholesome,
we would love to hear from you, you know, paying

(04:34):
for an old person's groceries, that kind of thing. Let's
celebrate nice stuff after three all right.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, okay, looking forward to that. Then after two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Say there's an old person at the line and their
card gets declined. Next minute you pay for it.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Very well done, mate, Thanks mate. Yeah, that would be Yeah,
a lot of kindness there right after two o'clock. This
will be really interesting if the Internet went down and
society collapsed, as it probably would if the Internet went down,
what are the core skills you think you'd need to rebuild?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, so we go from wholesome to apocalyptic. I saw
this book for sale and it had the basics, the
idea being that everyone's getting all their information there how
to do things from YouTube, and now crazily people are
trying to get it from AI as well, which often
just make stuff up. But the idea of this book

(05:23):
was you would buy it for your house and it
has how to do everything that you need to do.
I need to survive if society broke down and you
had to go back to subsistence living. So you know,
how do you think you go if the worst happened?
Can you light a fire? Can you get a fire going?
Can you fix a combustion engine? Can you hunt?

Speaker 4 (05:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Can you hunt with a bow and arrow? Can you
hunt with a spear? Can you skin an animal? Can
you grow stuff? Can you fight?

Speaker 5 (05:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Fighting is a big one.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, what are the basics you should know? If the
very worst worst happens? What should you be teaching your
kids and teaching yourself because you know, hopefully it doesn't.
But we've got a massive super volcano sitting in the
middle of the country.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
People are worried about that to five topor could go okay,
could go any time.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
And actually if that win, there will be no time
to a lighting fires or anything. They'll just be there,
would just be gone. But you know, who knows what
could happen exactly? Is whatever it's going to be a
good PSA after two o'clock.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, Yukes is a big one.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
But right now, let's have a chat about protesting over
the likes of the Auckland Harbor Bridge. So distnety churchly
to Brian Tummockye he has lodged his application with authorities
for a protest he wants to do in January. He
reckons he's going to get twenty to thirty thousand people
over the Auckland Harbor Bridge, and NZTA has confirmed they've
received a traffic management plan from the Freedom and Rights
Coalition and we'll be reviewing the application to ensure that

(06:46):
it meets all the many requirements set out on its website.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Irrespective of the protests and what it's about or who's
running it. The question we have on our one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is why do people need to
protest on the bridge or any major inconvenient area. I
know what they want to. They want to because it
causes more descruption and gets more you know, cold olemages.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, But should we just have places that are a
blanket no? Because there's this application. I'm looking forward to
looking through what you have to put through for this
application and all them the hours that have to be
spent perusing an application and planning it and such, and
it just seems like an absolute wound. Why don't we

(07:31):
just go nah, blanket no on We'll just list them.
The York and Harbor Bridge could be one of them.

Speaker 6 (07:38):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Probably some tunnels that you don't need to protest it.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
To say, motorways full stop. Yeah, yep, so the motorway
and all the motorway northwestern.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Just why do you need to bloody walk across the
Harbor Bridge go round?

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, exactly. I can't think of anywhere in christ the
Littleton tunnel.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
And this isn't a distant in Brian tumicky thing because
I think you just have to has to be as
soon as you allow anyone to do it, then everyone
can spend some time applying to do it, so some
people can. Then everyone has to be have that can
fore fill the criterion, and that's quite strict criterion has
to be able to do it right. Yeah, So why
don't we just go? Nah, you can protest up Queen Street,

(08:16):
Mate Tears Square is good, I'll test square, Yeah, Octagon's
a great place to protest and Dneda.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Go for gold there.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Just stay off the bridges, stay out of the tunnels.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yep. Some people that have protested on Parliament lawns in
the past, yep, they certainly have grewsome kumera. Yeah, what
do you think one hundred and eighteen eighty rual No Bridge.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Nine two ninety two is the text number as well.
What do you say does there need to be a
blanket ban on protests on the likes of the Auckland
Harbor Bridge?

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Really?

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Can you get your views on this?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Ashburton? It's thirty three point three degrees in Ashburton. Oh,
text that is up there.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
That's a good day in ashburta or a bad day
if you don't like that.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
How hot is it in Christchurch? Because there was a
warning going out that it was going to get incredibly
hot in christ Church today We've got to be careful
with our heat warnings because it makes us look stupid
in front of Australians.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
A couple of years ago we're printing heat warnings because
it was getting up to twenty eight degrees. That made
us look bad.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, thirty degrees is an average spring day and a
twenty nine degrees according to Mitservers and christ Chuch at
the moment, it's getting.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Up there to get one more degree and get up
to thirty Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Losers, it's caught a pass one back of the mow.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
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Speaker 3 (09:25):
That'd be seventeen past one. Should there just be a
big fat no to any protesters who want to walk
or protest over the likes of the Auckland Harbor Bridge.
We say this because Brian Tummocky is the latest and
it's not about Brian Tummockye or Destiny Church, but he's
the latest to put in an application to have his
protest in January.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yearh has bridge to better. Yes, protest. Yeah, this is
a really interesting question. Hey guys, happy with the blanket
no protest for the harbor Bridge, but does that mean
the marathon can't do it as well? Cheers from Craig. Look, no,
I think the marathon's that's totally different. That's a huge
amount of people getting together. That's a that's a community

(10:05):
wide thing.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's not pushing any barrow. In fact, if you're pushing
a barrow on a marathon then that's impressive. I've seen
people that have run marathons knitting scarfs. Have you seen
those marathons?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
No, but they are legit they doing.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
At the end of the marathon, you get your time
and the length of your scarf is that right?

Speaker 3 (10:22):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
It's a real thing.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
That's amazing, that's incredibastic, so totally great.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I totally support that. But then again, I mean, can't
you just run the marathon if you want to go
across the bridge, just wave your protest flag as you
run the marathon. Just register into the marathon, give your
name as whatever your protests and wave your flag as
you're running over.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
You found a massive loophole. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Tony, Welcome the show, gentlemen.

Speaker 7 (10:47):
I surely breeth comment. The first one is I don't
think it should be allowed because by awesome connecting one
side of the three to the other and the other
kill me. It would be that if some media see
a newspapers completely ignored it, never come at it, it
wouldn't do it again.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's hard to not cover
it if there's a massive disruption, because then the disruption
becomes the story. If you see what I'm saying, Tony.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
Not really no, no, I think that you know as
much as it was. But he shouldn't be doing this
sort of stuff, and he's you know, he's got a
history for doing this sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Is there anything Is there any protests that you would
support being allowed to use the bridge? Tony?

Speaker 7 (11:30):
Not really No, I think I think it was a
situation in Australia was.

Speaker 8 (11:36):
Different.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah it was around the Sydney Opera House, I believe,
and yeah there was in particular protest that got a
bit out of hand. But I think they you're right,
well we'll look that up. But they made a blanket
band around any sort of protest around the Sydney Opera House,
which makes sense because again that's that's highly disruptive and
you've got tourists down there.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
But but Tony, you support the right to protest. So
where do you think people should be allowed to protest?
Because you could argue wandering up George Street or Queen
Street or any main street in New Zealand causes all
kind of disruptions to buses. This as as such, So
where do you think you draw the line? Is it
just things like the Auckland Harbor Bridge and are there
any other things akin to the Auckland Harbor Bridge in

(12:18):
this country?

Speaker 7 (12:19):
I think strategic excess ways. Look, I mean, if I mean,
I never want to go to Queen Street anyway. So
I mean, if they want to walk up Queen Street,
that's fine to me. I don't even like the area
now because you know, you know, people think of downtown
Auckland at the prison. But you know, yes, it's like
a bridge like that sort of thing. You know, there
could be emergency vehicles or anything having to be rerouted.

(12:41):
It's not fair.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, So I think even if you get approval, there's
still has to be thoroughyar for, it has to fit.
It can't be an amount of people that that a
car can't get through. If you see what I'm saying, Toning, I.

Speaker 7 (12:58):
Wasn't aware of that, but I just think, like, mean,
you just ignored it, and you know he wouldn't do
it again. But obviously from what you're saying, they're not
able to do that.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
I hear the logic and the media side of things.
But the tough part with that, Tony is media get
accused of all sorts of bias, and I think some
of that's fair. But if they don't cover one sort
of protest and then they give a headline to another protest,
I mean that is you know, that's certainly what the
not what the media should do. They should report on
what is happening as a news event. And if it's
thirty thousand people that are marching across the Harbor Bridge,

(13:31):
that is a news event. Doesn't really matter what they're protesting.

Speaker 7 (13:34):
Well, you know, sometimes life isn't fair, is it? And
people have got to learn that.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
You know, telling what will definitely make news. You've got
thirty thousand people. I mean, if you seen what can
happen with harmonic resonance, Oh my goodness, that the whole
bridge might go down with thirty thousand people or marching
in step. Hey, thank you so much for your call.
Tony this Texas says, Hey, Tamaki is too old and
fat to run a marathon. He's also too fat to

(14:00):
run a bath over the bridge ban or protests on
the bridge. That's from Girard. I just ran a marathon recently.
You did, and there were quite a few old fat
people that beat me. You'll be surprised to how fast
strong legs. You'll be surprised how far some old fat
people can run.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Take you more of your calls on this one ow
at one hundred and eighty ten eighty Should there be
blanket bands on protests over the likes of the Auckland
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Speaker 2 (15:58):
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the Defendant News Talk ZB twenty six past one. Let
Tammocky walk all over the Harbor Bridge. I couldn't give
a rats. However, if they start walking over the cole
Row Bridge in Queenstown, I will complain, tell you I
was running over, not the historic color Ol Bridge, but
the the car Ol Falls Bridge beautiful. What of view

(16:22):
a couple of weekends ago? Tell me what my legs
were protesting?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
I bet they were. Oh one hundred and eighty. Ten
eighty is a number to call, Murray.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Your thoughts on this, well, I look at it this way.

Speaker 10 (16:36):
It's a it's a public asset. Now if I wanted
to use a town hall, I would have to rent it.
So let's say the Harbor Bridge and the infrastructure around
it's worth ten billion. Ten return on that would be
one billion a year. So work out what one day
was and make them pay.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
You're a thinker, Murray, you're a thinker.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Well, to get approval from the New Zealand Transport Agency,
to get your for your protest to go ahead across
the bridge, you do have to pay for the costs
and for and there's a bit of things. The organizers
must pay all planning, design, signage, traffic control costs. They
must pay a cash bond equivalent to fifty percent of

(17:20):
the estimated cost for use of the bridge at least
four weeks before the event, So they have to pay
for any additional costs. But that doesn't it's not the
rent of the bridge, like as you say with the
town hall. And it's also not covering whatever equation you
could do, the inconvenience and the loss of productivity for
the city.

Speaker 10 (17:40):
Yeah, that's that's how I see it. If you if
you want to use a public asset, you have to pay.
We're in a user pays, and Tammicky himself likes user pays,
So work out what it's worth the rent for a
day and rent them and he has to pay all
the costs, saying, you know, you have to pay your
own bounces and stuff like that if you rent a hall.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, so so ten one billion, My mess is terrible,
but it's a lot of money. It's a lot of money.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, I've rented small halls for events before and then
generally speaking in Auckland, it's not cheap. It's not cheap,
even a two hundred person hall, it's not cheap. Hey,
thank you for your cool Murray appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call A couple of texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's an iffing motorway, your muppets. No pedestrians allowed on
effing motorways. Simple your muppets.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Is that the problem?

Speaker 11 (18:35):
Though?

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Because there was a protest last weekend. I think about
fishing rules a couple of weekends ago about fishing rules
and the Hodaki golf that fish has got pretty upset by.
I don't think they had pedestrians. But I'll say straight up,
I actually support some of what they were protesting about.
But I would still say if Tammackey and the climate

(18:56):
guys can't use the Harbor Bridge, then I'm sorry. And
even if I support it, you're not allowed to use a.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Harbor for hang a minute. So you would be anti
your anti a protests where people just get on whatever
their their issues facebook pages and see as we're all
driving across the bridge at this time and we're going
to go a little bit slower than usual, and maybe
we're in some novelty vehicles and such, you'd be against
that as well.

Speaker 12 (19:17):
Well.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
If it's a blanket band, it's a blanket ban. But
you start to give a little leeway and then you know,
then they start jumping out of their cars midway through
the Harbor Bridge and start taking the.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Make Well that's a different issue. If you if you
jump out of your car on the Harbor Bridge, then
you've committed some kind of crime. But if people want
to just I don't know, jump in a novelty vehicle
and you know, drive at sixty car across the bridge,
then it's hard to say they can't.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
It would be fun. It's a fun protest novelty car.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Because how do you know that? You know, I may
be going to take Aupuna Beach for a swim, or
I maybe going for a protest.

Speaker 6 (19:50):
You don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
It's a point you don't know what I'm doing. Oh
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.
We've got headlines with Raylen coming up. It is bang
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Speaker 3 (21:25):
Thank you very much, Raylian. So we're talking about banning
all protests on the likes of the Auckland Harbor Bridge
is their key infrastructure within Auckland and the rest of
New Zealand. That official should just say no, sorry, you
can't protest there. It's at your protest elsewhere, I tell you.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
So, I've been looking at the strict criteria that the
Transport agency demands before you can get a permit to
walk across the bridge for your protest. And it's essentially
a thesis. You could get a thesis from a Tiger
university with what you have to fill in and what
you have to organize to get approval to do this,
but equally a bunch of people at in ZTA have

(22:01):
to spend their time going through these applications and our money. Yeah,
so is a thesis. There's there's an equal amount of
work sort of going through each part of the thesis
and checking out whether each part is correctly done. And
then there's a lot of parts of it are I

(22:21):
guess subjective in it in their analysis. So it's not
just you tickle the boxes. You can do it. There
are parts where it goes. The event must be a
special occasion of significant international interest or an event of
international or substantial regional significance.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
So how do you.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Because because if you're Brian Tomicky, you think that your
event is of special a special occasion of significant international interest,
and you're certainly hoping it is or an event of
international substantial regional significance. Brian Tommicky and the Bridge for
Better would say, yeah, this is incredibly significant.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Everybody the whole world should care about that.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
But that's someone an nz tas to go. I reckon,
I reckon. It isn't substantial regional SETI.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
It's just so much easier to say, nah, na oh,
one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call Joe, Welcome.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
To the show.

Speaker 14 (23:16):
Hey guys.

Speaker 15 (23:18):
I think actually it's the attraction of walking over the
Harbor Bridge that attracts like I'd say thirty or fifty
percent people to these protests because there's not much of
an opportunity.

Speaker 14 (23:31):
To say that you've walked over Auckland Harbor Bridge. It's
a great marketing idea for the people holding the protest,
and really the only other legal way is the marathon,
and then you have to pay a fee, So this
is like the user pay from the previous caller's call
is really good. But there is an attraction for people

(23:51):
who may not even believe in what the protest is.
It just has happened to Maine or something.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, interesting to put your lot in with Destiny's Church. Yeah,
there's a bit of danger there, but you're on the news.
Would you just wave a flag saying only here for
the view? Yeah, only here.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
I can do it.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
In the criteria though, the event must be limited to
registered participants and officials, no unlimited public asset access. So
if you do get approval to cross the bridge in protests,
you have to register everyone. So these these fair weather
I guess tourists that just want to walk across the

(24:31):
bridge for the experience, they would have to register with
the church, with the Destiny's Church and their protest. No,
you wouldn't have to be a member of Destiney's Church. Yeah,
but you'd have to register with their protest official protest page,
and they have to provide your name to the NZTA.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
That makes sense. So you can just wake up and
say what should we do today, babe? While we'll go
to Rainbow's End and oh a lot, there's a protest
across the bridge. Oh that'll be nice for all we
walk God, Brie's wandering across the bridge.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
We'll go and we'll go and join them.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, have a look. I'm glad they've thought of that.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's Yeah, have you ever jumped off that bridge?

Speaker 15 (25:04):
No?

Speaker 10 (25:04):
Have you?

Speaker 4 (25:05):
I have you?

Speaker 3 (25:06):
That's a big dive. Yeah, did you have a bungee
on you?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
A bune Oh?

Speaker 11 (25:09):
I think?

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Thank god?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
It's a key part of that is key.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Ben. How are you today?

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (25:20):
I'm good.

Speaker 16 (25:21):
Look, look I've got no issue. Supposed you've seen. If
someone's standing there, then intersection holding a sign up saying two,
which the teachers have done lately. I'll go the two.
You know, I'm all for that. But the moment you,
you know, you inconvenienced me from going about my daily life.
You just pissed me off, and I just turn off
and I'll get really angry.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
But I think these major protests, Ben, that's kind of
the idea, isn't it. They do them to piss people
off such that it makes news and they're becoming and
the focus goes on their protest. So, I mean, the
only reason why they want to walk across Aukland harborvide right,
apart from supposed I don't know metaphorical significance is to

(26:03):
annoy people like you, Ben. So then you have to.
You're forced to think about their their issue.

Speaker 16 (26:11):
Yeah, but that see, at that point, I'm not even
interested in what they're up to. I'm just seeing that,
oh there's a muppet blocking the road, you know, like, oh, well,
we're just in christ Church. In two thousand and two,
some anti Mainday protesters blocked their entrance to Westfield and yeah,
it just really pisses you off because you know you've

(26:32):
got to park up the road and walk tought you
where you want to go. And it's just like, you know,
I'm all for it, mate, I even have a young
with piece people. I might even join in if I'm
walking down the road. But if you're blocking traffic, you
stop on other people going about their daily lives. Yeah, yeah,
I just turn off, and I just think you're a muppet.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah I don't get that. I mean, if it's like
say a vegan protest and they getting in front of
you at the supermarket not letting you get the milk,
or chucking cheese at you, saying you're a bad person.
If you're on the fence, if you're a normal person,
say yeah, hello, there's some logic and go maybe vegan
a couple of days a week. You get that sort
of behavior, say bugger you, guys, I'm meet for life.
You don't throw cheese at me.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
There was these people in Christchurch quite a few years
ago that was that were vegan activists that were smashing
up butchers. Yeah yeah, anarchists.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
What about those extinction extinction rebellion people activists that that
block roads?

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, glue their hand onto a road.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
I think they have probably done more damage to their
cause than anyone in terms of just pissing people off
and people I don't want anything to do this. As
soon as someone can't get to you know, pregnant woman
can't get to hospital and have a baby, or or
you know, someone's having a cardiac arrest and the ambulance
can't get through, you've immediately lost any moral high ground
you had.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah. Throwing paint at the Mona Lisa, I mean come on, yeah,
remember it was at Lisa. It was certainly some sort
of famous artwork.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
But like they've done it a lot.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, yeah, they were too stupid to realize there's actually
pers bit glass in front of those.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
There's a bunch of people that have been throwing it's
orange paint they use now at Christmas trees in the
UK idiots and protest. I don't know. Christmas tretch hard.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
To know, right, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is a number to call. We've got plenty of texts
coming through A nine to two ninety two as well.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Everyone can protest is this text, but not where it
impedes other people's travels or enjoyment. Create a protest spot
like Autara Park, people can book that. See protests just
wouldn't do that because think about it before. So we've
got a place for you to protest. It's it's about
fifty k out of town. We've got a field for you.

(28:41):
We've put some portaloos and you guys just have your
little protest there. They would never do that.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
There's nobody around, so it's not going annoy.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
As I said to Ben, the disruption is the key
part of the protest. Yeah, it's the statement of the disruption.
So maximum disruption is why they want to do it
on the Auckland Harbor Bridge.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Spot on right. We're got to play some messages, but
the calls are backing up here. After the break we
will have a chat to Simon, who reckons it's okay.
For pedestrians and cyclists to be able to use it.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Matt, mocking people because of their weight is not okay.
About as discussing as your hideous feet be better, like, Tyler,
look that I just read out a text of someone
I was actually the exact opposite. I didn't. I read
out a text from someone that was mocking people's Brian
Tammocky's weight and age. Right, Yes, yep, and I see it.
There were plenty of fat old people that ran the

(29:30):
marathon and Queen's down faster than night.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
You mocked yourself and you boosted those people up because
they were fantastic runners.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
They unmocked. Yeah, the fat old people. So that's an
unfair text.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah. And the hideous feet thing. I mean, look, you've
talked about Eliah. That is fair, that is fair, But
that is that is some full on abuse.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I do have hideous yeah, or rang a tang feet?

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Your home of afternoon talk mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk sed Be.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
News Talks it be. It is a quarter to two.
Plenty of texts coming through nine two ninety.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Two protest need to tr like a balance between causing
enough disruption to make a point that the media pays
attention to their cause and not so much that it
distracts from it. Always a tough act, but the only
protests that have created change are those that get the balance.

Speaker 11 (30:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Cheers guys, good chat team. That's from Luca.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, good man.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
And this he said, would you have told Martin Luther
King to not march and disrupt society? The civil rights
movement was all about civil disobedience and inconvenience people, but
rightly so to draw attention to the horrific injustice. And
that's the thing, isn't it. Because some people are saying, well,
they don't support Brian Tumicky's views, so he shouldn't have
to protest. But if you have rules about protests, then

(30:45):
it can't be specific to the cause of the protest,
because who's to judge what is the protest and what
is it? And so I think we'd all agree that
Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement in the
United States was very important, but at the time they
didn't have public support.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Even knowing what I know now, Martin Luther King incredible
human being. One of the greatest of all time. But
if he wanted to walk cross the Auckland Harbor Bridge.
So I say, look, love what you're doing, go hard,
but just not the Auckland Harbor Bridge Marten.

Speaker 9 (31:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
And we have to be clear here that the participant
numbers the event must limit the numbers. So the lane
closures the event must only result in a partial lane closure.
Significant lanes must remain open to allow free flow of
traffic likely to use the motorway during the event. So
even though it causes a major disruption, because anytime you
block any of the lanes on the bridge, it gets

(31:35):
backed up all the way to the poon. Yeah but
you but this still traffic has to be able to
get through. So if this protest goes ahead, then it's
not a complete blocking of the bridge. Although surely thirty thousand.
If Brian Tammocky can get thirty thousand people that had
blocked the bridge, wulldn't it? Thirty thousand people's a lot

(31:56):
of people.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
There's a good number. He's ambitious.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, yeah, that's all of I wa a rout turning
up across the bridge.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Stick, Simon, how are.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
You get a Simon Simon? Yeah, Look, I think, you know,
brain demism. He's an idiot, that's first thing. But I
think they're also instr duc in the way they treat
us about the bridge. The bridge would be opened up
through us and so you know they close it to
sastening at three o'clock they closed the bridge called Northern

(32:23):
North traffic coming to the city.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
They do it every day.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
They close it down to three lanes and cause the
traffic jam or in the Northern Highway. So it's not
like they can't close the bridge and if they did,
you know, three lanes each way on a Sunday mornings,
let's say from you know seven o'clock to nine o'clock
or six o'clock to eight o'clock or something on Sunday
morning and open up two lanes the western Tia Landes
and the bridge from Chilly Beach to the step of
the row off rom there. Let anybody walk acros us it,

(32:47):
ride your bike. If you're to protest, that's the time
they have to do it. So they're protesting is about
the disruption, but visibility as well. So you get as
much visibility as your life on the Harbor Bridge and
a Sunday morning and take your thirty thousand people across it.
But MCTA treat it like it's a sacred cathedral or something.
It's just a bridge.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
We all own it.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
We can't use it.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
You know, you did you support the plan lands that
were scuttled because I think they had already spent eighty
million investigating. But there was that plan to.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Engineer it was a clip on, wasn't it wasn't that
a clip on cyclist?

Speaker 6 (33:18):
So that was that seemed way too principle. But the
engineering was just outrageous.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Why did it have to be the coolest it had?
What they designed had to be so futuristic and cool looking.
It could have been in the Osborne Book of the
Future instead of Really, you just need a painted line,
don't you.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
For people who know you can chuse the bridge as
it is now, you don't do anything. You just close
the west and few lanes or they do it all
the time. They paint the bridges late on Thursday night
or whatever. The stuff happens all the time.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Yeah on the shore.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
So I've travel of course that bridge thousands of times
and it's often closed and they do it all the time.
And yet if you want to close the bridge for
Brian Tammicky again, you know, I think it's submission, you know,
whereas it should just be available.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
For the public to use.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
That are very much the off most off pick hour
I can think of. But I have known convenienced at
all and a little bit of you know, don't move
the lane market back.

Speaker 8 (34:09):
On Saturday night.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
Just leave it where it is and then we've got
two lanes to use in the morning and then do
it on a Sunday morning. You know, and for some reason,
the delay to use the bridge for the people of Auckland,
it's just impossible.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
You know, where would you get where would you get on?
So if you were cycling and walking on.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
The beach road, Beach Road on the postanly side right, yeah,
and you could connect to the to the west west
Harboro west Haven walkways, it connects to the nicely. And
now they're in your go for Stafford I think it's
called or Solfer Point, soft Point Beach and equally the
golf into the domestic area. You know, they were trying
to build an off rand that was five stories up

(34:48):
or something.

Speaker 8 (34:49):
You know, it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
You just need to come down to the bottom and
you go off there and and look you've already got
a separation. There might need to be some you know,
company separation for you know, a couple of hundred meters,
but they can do that. It's not impossible.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
See. This is the problem. This is the problem Simon
with all these cycle initiatives is they always just want
them to be the flashest, most spectacular thing that will
get an infrastructure weekly around the world, rather than just
something that can functionally be used by people. Because I
think it would be really fun if people, if people
could if people could cycle to the beach, it would

(35:22):
be phenomenal, wouldn't it.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
Just walk and it's quite I've done the jump of
the bridge and walked up there to the top of it,
and it's spectacular up there to get there, you know.
And so and so I think instead of thinking about
closing the bridge for this, they should just opened the
bridge and not close it, because you know, they do
this all the time. And as I say, live on
an all the shore and you drive this afternoon, and
you drive back across the bridge again on a Thursday
or even worse than a Friday afternoon, there's a jam

(35:45):
all out the motorway. And they're doing this for twenty
years and there's no need for it. You know, they
could just leave that medium. There's obviously they pay somebody
to move the bear across, you know, like work, but
they could live with there now after that is because
the traffic's equivalent in most directions, and you know, in
the afternoons these days, makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
There was in May of twenty nine, two thousand and nine,
there was the Get Cross protests where walkers and cyclists
illegally crossed the Auckland Harbor Bridge to protest the lack
of walking and cycling pathways, and NCTA had denied official
access to it. So the most renegade protest that's ever
been on the Auckland Harbor Bridge was walkers and cyclists

(36:25):
outlaws protesting for walking and cycling. Back in a mow,
it is eight to two to two, and I've just
seen a text that has caught my interest. I'll read
that out next.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams
afternoons news.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Talks me five to one.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
So I mentioned texts before that caught my interest and
here it is creet me if I'm wrong. But wasn't
Matt Heath responsible for closing down the Harbor Bridge?

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Oh, it's a good point.

Speaker 10 (36:54):
I did.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
That's a good point. Well spotted text. I did close
down the Harbor Bridge in two thousand and seven.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
What were you doing?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I was shooting a movie called The Devil dem two
and we got rights. We were blowing up a huge
a car. We're blowing up a car as a massive
expo explosion down west Haven Way and so the permission
that we got they had to. They didn't shut the bridge,
but they police cars came across slowly to slow people
down while the explosion went off. We had someone on

(37:20):
rad Island filming it and such an explosion went off
in west Haven, but the timing went was absolutely the
timing was wrong. So we set off this huge explosion
right at time. But you know, the transport people were
worried that someone would see the explosion and crashed on
the bridge right because explosion was so brick So we
had all the explosives set off, set to go off
at the right time, and they went off, but then

(37:42):
the police got it wrong, and then so we had
this huge explosion. It went off. It was massive, It
was much bigger than we speak to. Actually it was disastrous.
But then about two minutes later the traffic started slowing
but no one crashed. Well, what a great discussion. And look,
in my humble opinion, New Zealanders absolutely have the right

(38:05):
to protest and it's one of the things that keeps
our beautiful democracy. He's so alive and honest, but shutting
down the Harbor Bridge it's just too annoying. Surely anyone
can make their point loudly without bringing the country's biggest
piece of infrastructure to a standard.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
So okay, yeah, yeah, just go and prot to someone
else somehow beautiful sum up? Yep, that was a good
chat right after two o'clock. If the Internet went down,
society collapsed, what are the core skills you'd think you'd
need to rebuild? That's coming up talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Very good afternoon. Do you welcome back into the program?
Six parts two Now.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Often on the show, I'm accused of using this platform
that I've been given, and I'm very grateful for for
my own ends.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, every day you get accused of that I do.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I'm either promoting my corporate speaking celebrity speakers, yep, if
you want to yep, I think so yep, you know,
if you need me to speak and you know, or whatever,
pushing my own barrel.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
And to that end, I'm looking for a cabinet maker,
a cabinet maker from my kitchen.

Speaker 10 (39:12):
Just a.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
If you had a cabinet maker that just can go
in and build all the new drawers and cupboards and
stuff that's in the kitchen because it's got a great bench,
it's got a great layout. What kind of bench you
in my new house?

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Is it a like stone?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's granite? Ah, fancy? Is granite fancy?

Speaker 15 (39:34):
Well?

Speaker 3 (39:34):
I mean you don't need a chopping board. You just
cut it right on there on the granite.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah it is. It's beautiful. So I don't want that.
I don't I want to keep that, and I like
the layout. I just need all the little cupboards fixed
and stuff. So if you are a if you are
a cabinet maker that does that kind of stuff, or
you know a good one that just wants to beaver
away at my house and sort of make the current

(40:00):
kitchen beautiful yep. Then this text on nine two nineteen.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
I don't know where these accusations come from. That you
just used the show to find some good people?

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Is my personal noticeboard?

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
How dare people accuse me that? Just quickly, oh my
kitchen makeover dot codo.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
And is it okay? There's good good people.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
They're good people.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Are you after a specific type of wood? Are you
into a bit of cody? Maybe you know a bit
of remove remove's hard to find, eatu that's expensive, or
you're okay with the old MDF as long as it
looks good.

Speaker 17 (40:29):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, look that's a good question. I want it to
be solid. I think I think the most important thing
when you're putting together a kitchen is that it's that
everything feels solid. And do you get that with MDF?

Speaker 18 (40:42):
No?

Speaker 3 (40:42):
No, And you can't get it wet because it's true
and so don't go indief.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Well there's I'm having moisture around my kitchen. So yeah,
very good.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Just quickly, there's text it's already come through. You need
wabcros in Cambridge who go all over the North Island.
Oh that's from Allison gofton the famous Chef So she
knows her kitchens.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Allison Gofton cook Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Celebrities texting our show. How good, it's a nick minute
guy this morning. Now we'll good. Look I listen texting
us good all right?

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Nine two nine too, if you can help me mad
out now, just a reminder at three point thirty our
employment lawyer Gareth abdenor we'll be back with us to
answer your questions, whether they're about your job or your staff.
He's brilliant, he's the man to chat too. So it
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It pays to get in like right now because it's
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(41:32):
eighty or nine two ninety two will spot those texts
and get you ready to have a chat with Gareth
just after three thirty.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Okay, how good, All right, let's get into this one.
It's going to be an interesting chat.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
So this was a book that you saw, Matt. But
the premises if the Internet went down, society collapsed, what
are the core skills do you think you would need
to rebuild?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah? So I was just flicking through my Instagram feed
like a total wounder who should have shouldn't been online.
You know, I'm always preaching about getting off social media,
but then I end up finding myself on there. And
I saw this advertising for a book, and look, this
isn't it. This isn't We're not promoting the book. I'm
not going to give it then of it, you know,
But the book was just the premises you say, Tyler

(42:15):
is everything that you need. It says, have you ever
imagined visiting the past with full knowledge of modern information neutology?
If you told people from the Middle Ages or agent
even Egypt about a telephone, a car, or electricity, they
would take you for a deity or a superhero. But
do you actually know how many of these things work?
Crafted entirely bey hand? This book blah blah blah. So

(42:36):
it's it's it's got everything that you need to know
in civilization? Should civilization collapse? So right from starting a fire,
big one, big one. And this is a thought experiment.
A lot of people have you go back in time
and you go where I'm from, we have these these

(43:00):
phones in their pocket and you can and there's videos
on them, and you can talk to people and they go,
oh cool, cook, cool. How do you make those don't
know yep, or you go you know heating, We just
plugging a device and will heat the house. Are cool?
How do you how do you make alectristy dinner?

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Magic?

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Just magic?

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Or combustion engine? You know we drive around and horseless carriages?
How do they work? Don't they just work? So there's
a higher than zero chants that for whatever reason, civilization
could collapse. Yep, you could be cut off. I mean
look what happened in hawks back.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yes, very true.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I mean you can just be cut off for a
period of time so easily. Yep, no internet, no communication,
food might not be able to get through that. There's
all kinds of things that can happen, and that can
happen localized, or it could happen to the whole country.
Who knows what's going to go on. It's a tumultuous
world out there.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Sun flares, super volcanoes, nuclear war AI AI. Yeah, AI
might just remove all our technological privileges from.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Shut it down the internet and said no more Internet
for you humans.

Speaker 10 (44:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
And so people now generally speaking, and this is happening
more and more as you go down the generations.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
My boomer dad, he can do a lot of stuff. Yep,
he's very capable.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
He can start fires, build things, whatever he needs to do.
I can do less, and by a huge fold of
my own, my kids can do even less than me. Yep,
and their kids. If this is going this way, we'll
be able to do even less practical things.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah, the skill tree starts to diminish. Show the generations.
He taught you how to bury a horse, though, no.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
He taught me the bad way to bear a horse.
He didn't as on the show yesterday, father buried a
horse and one of the hoofs was sticking out. Had
to saw the hoof off. But that's a different yea.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Anyway, it's a skill, but you know some work needed
on it.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
You can't work out that the whole has to be
as big as the horse saving you. But what are
the key things that you think that everyone should know
and not look it up on YouTube and not if
the internet's gone, that everyone should know?

Speaker 5 (45:12):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Is it hunting? You know how to get food out
of the bush? Is it how a combustion engine works?

Speaker 4 (45:19):
What do you know?

Speaker 2 (45:20):
What are you teaching your kids? What should you teach
your kids? What should you teach yourself? The their bear
basics to survive an emergency or God forbid, full civilization collapse.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
This is going to be good. Oh, eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nine to
ninety two is the text number. Let's get into it.
It is thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Your home of afternoon Talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Very good afternoon to you, sixteen past two. So if
the Internet went down, all that knowledge and society started
to collapse, what skills do you think would be essential
for you to not only survive, but to rebuild.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I'm not going to survive. I can't even manage turning
away on microphone on.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
You don't need the Internet for that.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
What a bunch of alarmist bs is this? Texas civilization
isn't going to end. You are just scaremongering your listeners. Well,
you don't know. Civilizations have risen and fallen in the past. Yep,
And some people argue that they may have risen and
fallen many many times. In fact, I saw this documentary
on how soon absolutely everything from a civilization can disappear.

(46:32):
There's only a few things that would survive more than
about fifty to sixty thousand years, right, and they are
things that we're doing around altering atoms. But you know,
whole civilizations can just just disappear.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
So it's happened before, and I've got to say, I
would say we are probably the weakest we've ever been.
We're so reliant on all these things. Hence why we're
having this discussion that of society did go down if
it happened one hundred years ago, I'd beck those guys,
those guys were practical there to know how. But we
are weak, weak people these days. We don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
How would the people go that get injured by words
and civilization collapse a bunch of marauding I don't know,
post apocalyp But warriors on horseback turn up at your
house and you're offended because they call you the wrong word. Yeah,
there's no safe space for that, No, a guys, Food

(47:25):
shout and security. Security is all you need. Know how
to grow catch food, click water, and to cook it
or preserve all of it. Know how to build a
shelter and know how to defend that. That is all
you need.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Good text, see that is the scary thing about civilization
collapse is that it's not just it's not just sustenance
you need, but you also what's it called a hobbsy
and nightmare? I don't know what is that?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Well, it's I'll get the quote what life without civilization?
It's brutal and short. There is an exact there's an
exact quote I'll get. So you know, whenever you watch
those prepare shows, a big part of it is security.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Mark are you the stuff today?

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Yeah? Good? Good?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
What are you reckon?

Speaker 19 (48:14):
Well, if society is gonna hit ship HiT's a fan.
I think, realistically, what's the most human need that we need?
It's it's food, water.

Speaker 8 (48:25):
And shelter, m h.

Speaker 19 (48:28):
As long as you know how to procure those things.
Stuff happens in cases of emergency. But I think you
know you I'm a bocher for trade, and I live
on a farm and all that sort of stuff and
grow up in the outdoors, so you know, as long
as you know how to get stup there and see

(48:48):
hunt stuff for pair stuff and all that sort of stuff, realistically,
it's going to be if ship did hit the fan,
it's going to realistically be survival strong.

Speaker 8 (49:00):
But you know what I mean, and you did.

Speaker 19 (49:01):
What about the generations of the past, They, as I
sort of said, they didn't grow up with technology. You know,
they knew what hard times were. They were hard grafters. Today,
I can sort of see certain generations get weeded out
pretty quickly because it will be control for.

Speaker 8 (49:20):
Water, food and resources.

Speaker 19 (49:22):
And if you watch all those programs and movies or
whatever it is about a popular actview or you know
how that breaks and society to ship. Basically it will
be you know, survive or the strong because a little
quickly weed out the weak ones that are that aren't
prepared and still rely on mom and dad to their bums.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Do you think what about so you talk about those
kind of things, there's you know, security, you know, source
of food. What about upkeeping the technology that still exists
so well, like a combustion engine? Do you think people
should should should all know how to repair a combustion engine,
a you know, a generator, that kind of thing.

Speaker 8 (50:04):
I think you should know that.

Speaker 19 (50:06):
You should know the basics, you know, because it'll be
a fight for fuel if we don't have the electricity,
fuel parts don't work, so you've got to be a
nap of not knowing how to come up with ideas,
how to extract fuel, how to extract water, how to
make a fishing line. You know, like there'll be a
lot of people saying, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, going to happen.

Speaker 8 (50:24):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 19 (50:25):
But you know the world's pining a matter of you know,
we're the next wards are going to be for. It's
not going to be fought over. So unless you're pretty
handy trying to survival, and you're pretty handy, I'm not
saying people should go out and learn how to kill

(50:45):
animals and learn how to use firearms, but you know,
if you're not practical and you rely on society to
do everything for you when you're not going to survive,
do you.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Think there would be a period? There to be a
period mark right at the start, so people go, well,
you know, I could learn this stuff over time, but
you feel like when it collapsed, there would be a
very short window where you'd have to sort out your pat.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Oh a lot.

Speaker 19 (51:11):
If it collapses, what's the first I'm going to do.
Everyone's going to ramsackle the supermarkets and take everything and
and basically, you know, it'll be right for a couple
of months because people have supplies, but once things start
running out, what's going to happen next? And we're going
to start remraating farms and then you know you're going
to have it's always people. You know, you're going to

(51:33):
have the gang start controlling things because you know, the
police society just collapses. There's no there's no role as yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Oh I think we've lost it there. Yeah, you were
just lost it there for a bit. Mark Hopefully it's stabilizers,
but I always think of and it's slightly different. It's
not dystopian, but it's certainly a man trying to survive
just by himself. And I know it's a movie, but
cast Away with Tom Hanks and obviously he's got to
learn how to spare fish and he becomes pretty proficient
at that as the movie goes on. But the one
thing that always gets me is when he gets the

(52:06):
rotten tooth. And I always think that's what people for get,
is how to not just first date, but how to
solve any injury or fix any injury that you get,
or medicines you may need. Because when his tooth got rotten,
if he didn't pull that thing out, that would have
been the end of it, of course.

Speaker 8 (52:21):
I mean today you're going to be prepared. You might
be prepared to make you know, it's going to be
fair game, but you know it will probably happen.

Speaker 19 (52:31):
Eventually, and as I said, hopefully not my time. But
you're better be prepared to be you know, get out
there and fiend for yourself, because I was you know,
all the vegans are going to be food.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
So childbirth will be a thing. Yeah, you know, in
the childbirths that I've been involved in and just as
an observer in a contributor start, but anyway, get a
part to play.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
The amount of resources that were deployed towards childbirth phenomenal. Yeah,
you know that that's that's that poor.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
They would be terrifying. Yeah, having to do that without
all that medical equipment and doctors around.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
The quote I was looking for was from Thomas Hobbes
who in his absolute classic The Leviathan from in the
seventeenth century, I think was written in sixteen fifty one.
So he described human existence in the absence of strong
government as solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
It's a good summary.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
It's a very good summary, because right now we outsource
violence to the government, right, so everyone stays in line.
But you know, in civilization collapse then, as Mar says,
survival of the strongest, And there's a lot of people
walking around that are the opposite of strong at the moment.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Yeah, pretty terrifying. It is twenty four past two. What
are the skills you think would be essential if the
Internet and society started to collapse? It is twenty four past.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Two, matd. Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on used talk, sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Twenty seven pas too. So if you can rely on
the Internet and all that knowledge and society started to
fall apart, what are the basic skills you think you'd
need to at least survive?

Speaker 2 (54:19):
This text says people need to know how to look
after basic infection and the importance of sanitation e g.
A simple splinter in the finger with infection setting and
can kill you due to blood poisoning. That's from here
they yeah, in this in this thing that God is
talking about. It this the book it's called with all
this advice and it's how to make It teaches you

(54:39):
how to make penicillin, right, So that is a good
tip yes, that would be handy oh.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty to number to
call get a rob heahkoddy.

Speaker 20 (54:50):
Just a thought as opposed to like a political event
or something that bringing society down. Google a Cambrian event
or gamma radiation burst that would have effected knocking out
all the satellites, your cell phones, computer chips in the
car and all.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
That sort of thing.

Speaker 20 (55:08):
So you know, you talk about schools, you would need
you think about like places like Cappadocia and like they're
read American Indians that were living in those in those
little stone houses that were set right into the canyon
walls and places like that, you know, for protection and
from from the other thieves possibly and and also radiation

(55:32):
from above would certainly put the cat among the vigeons.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
So what exactly is the Cambrian.

Speaker 20 (55:38):
If you google? If you if you google it, it
looks like it's sort of a an EMS pulse of
a bit of description, like right now there's probably a
million astrologists with their hands in their face with my description.
But it's like gamma radiation like hitting hitting the like
a collapse of other sun or something like that, and

(56:00):
it shoots the energy out and like the Earth's been
hit with one like a gazillion years ago and it
like wiped out everything right like into the water a
met a deep, everything on the land and below. It's
like one of the fifth, you know, one of the
five big extinctions that the Earth has gone through. But
I'd say, what the skill I would I would go

(56:21):
forward v housing, like, how do you protect yourself from
something like that? And like one of your one of
your callers earlier was saying, it protect yourself from thieves,
people who want to raid your raid what you've got.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Yeah, So that was just just thought, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm going to read up on the Cambrian I've looked
it up. It's quite complicated. So five hundred and forty
one million years ago, so boy boy, that killed nearly everything.

Speaker 20 (56:48):
Yeah, yeah, certainly did. But there was one about the
eighteen hundreds where there was some some event that hit
the sphere and it glowed goodness me like in the
middle of it, like you could do it could cast
shadow and all this type of thing. It was actually
really like really quite interesting if you if you get
into it.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Yeah, all the electrical grid and all the satellites and
everything else is that part of it, isn't it right?

Speaker 13 (57:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:13):
That would that would cause collapse very quickly.

Speaker 20 (57:17):
Yeah, like in the eighteen hundreds through little like there
might be the old lightning rod or something like that,
but everything was horse and cart. Now we're so interdependent,
missed networks everywhere or chip in the car to control
your you know too probe and all the rest of it.
It would bake all that, just knock out all the programming.
So it would be hopefully back to a good old

(57:37):
valiant charge or something like that.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Mad Max.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Some of those tractors up at the beach that you
can actually fix, you know, would be would suddenly be
very valuable. You're you know, because right now a lot
of mechanics is just pulling out boards and replacing it
with other boards.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of chips.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I'd be sweet. My mum's got a two thousand acres
station food for the next thirty years until a bunch
of post apocalyptic warriors turn up with swords and sandals
and spears, and.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Yeah, I'll find it. If you've got food. O one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Don't forget a third of women died from childbirth prior
to World War One. Wow, and death before penicillin Yeah,
oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
I mean the discovery of penicillin change the game, no
doubt about it. And if we lost that, the first
thing you need to learn is how to load a shotgun.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
See. That's the depressing thing about the collapse of civilization,
as you would hope that all humans would work together
to try and rebuild civilization. But the first thing that
happens as everyone tries to grab everything off everyone else.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah, history would prove otherwise. All right, headlines coming up
then taking more of your calls of society went down?
The internet went down. What are the basic skills you
think you would need to get your heads back in the.

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Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Thank you very much, Railian. So we are discussing if
the Internet went down, society started to fall apart, what
are the key skills you'd need to one survive but
also start to rebuild our one hundred and eighteen eighties.
The number to call this Texas is in the end,
being ruthless is what you need to survive. That's from
ed goes a long way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
How do you teach yourself to be ruthless, or your
kids to be ruthless, or your partner to be ruthless?

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Just you make you just find that out when you
get put in a situation where it's you or somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Right, Well, yeah, but this is getting ready, This is
being ready for the worst. So you have to start
being ruthless just in day to day life and preparation
for having to be ruthless when civilization collapses. Gary, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 21 (01:01:00):
Thanks guys. I get to figure outside the square, just
to look at leadership, because in chaos, everone turns to
find someone who can actually lead and perhaps settle everyone
down and put them in the right direction and become collaborative.
As you talked about earlier, that would be quite quite important. Well,
why I thinks I'm a good supervisor, but I don't

(01:01:21):
think I don't know about leader, because I'm not a
good handy man whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
So I think if you have a good leadership, you
would find and delegate the different areas that could be
done by people who know the ins and outs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
So how do you do that? So there's civilization collapsed?

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Do you what do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
You go around, you lead a few people, then you
convince them, and then more and more and more, and
then then you're a leader leader and then I guess
they look after after you. But it'd be interesting to
know the skills that you need to get on a
soapbox and bring people together. Do you have to be charismatic?

Speaker 8 (01:01:55):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Or do you have to have skills and provide something
that people need.

Speaker 21 (01:02:00):
I think you have to have a certain amount of
skills to about it show the leadership. It's like eating
and especially like when you come to basics like rugby,
when you've got players that all know they're individual skills,
but the captain has skills that they can bring on
and they can actually show that they can lead and
they can do the job per se.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
But I guess it's a talent and it's a factor
that people kind of turn to to ensure that you
are on the right track, and they then you know
if you're if you're a good leader, you're open to
two ideas and making things work. I think chaos is
when you look at the depression and how World War

(01:02:40):
two started when Hitler was he came through and gave
them inspiration and they all followed him like sheep because
everyone was in a bad situation, a dire situation. So
you do find that people do rise to the occasion,
whether it's good or bad. But you do find people
that do do that.

Speaker 10 (01:02:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Well, I mean, I don't know how much Hollywood has
to say on this, but generally speaking, in every apocalyptic movie,
there's some bad person that rises and creates an army
of evil people that were roared around doing terrible things.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Good leaders, but yeah, just warlords.

Speaker 21 (01:03:11):
Yeah, well you're going to work out which one is
a good in Bann, I mean that's life.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yes, yeah, well we have to do that now, even
and while civilization is still standing, we still have to
work out who are the good and bad leaders? Sam,
your thoughts about civilization collapse and what we need to
learn in advance of it?

Speaker 12 (01:03:29):
Two things, but before I start, Hi, guys and the
guy just before me are really good. Yes, leadership. You know,
lots of people think that the leaders, but they fall
our chaos and you know, those kind of people with
accidents and all that they just picked up and just
give our.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Orders and stuff and then head in a situation that's
that's critical, isn't it. I mean that's how it's a
lot of leader, someone who doesn't freak out, and in
a situation where everybody else's panics, there's usually one person
who starts to pull things, you know, people together.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
This happened to me recently, Sam a person went down
and with a medical incident and I ended up just
running around in a circle while I make Joseph jury
just sorted everything out, and that he was the leader
and I was the panic.

Speaker 12 (01:04:13):
Oh dear, oh yeah. Okay, So so hopefully you'll have
a buddy with you if we get stuck in the
bush together and you have no idea what to do
because they're starving, and you know, well, my thing, there's
two things, okay, So number one is weeds and hoobs.
How many of us, even in our gardens, rip out

(01:04:35):
a herb and you know weed, thinking it's useless. It's
growing profoundly and that could actually save somebody's life. It's
a bleeding and you know what cart or what have you.
But in an accident, we can't get the internet, we
can't get home, were nowhere you know, like yarrow and
planting easy munchets.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
But there we go.

Speaker 12 (01:04:56):
You know, Captain what was his name, he crossed the
Stuart Island a cook. He used it, him and his
boys used it and it's saved from gangreen. So actually
helps with infections too, you know. And what you can
use for your butt if you go to the toilet,
you know, you don't want to use poison ib and
if you get poison ivy, what can you use to

(01:05:18):
contradict that? You know, basic stuff. We're rich in this
in New Zealand, but how many of us actually know
what to do with it? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Yeah, that's interesting. Sam. I did this event with another
Sam recently, Sam the Trapman, Sam Gibson, and he's written
this amazing book called Sam the Trapman. But he was
just describing the book. He spends a lot of time
in the New Zealand native bush and you know, hunting,
and he was just describing in that book all these
things that you can use. So if I go into

(01:05:50):
the bush, I see nothing. I just see bosh. He
goes to the bush and he sees a supermarket, he
sees toilet behaper. He says what's the native New Zealand toothbrush?

Speaker 12 (01:06:01):
Yeah, I don't know about that, to be honest with you,
what would that be?

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
He looks around and he sees the bush. She sees everything.
The mushrooms you can eat, the berries you can eat,
what you can use for this, what you can use
for that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Incredible skill And so I don't.

Speaker 12 (01:06:15):
Have to keep my hands on that book. That would
be really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Yeah. So it's a bunch of stories for his life.
So that's just a small part of it. But it's
a great read anyway. And it just made me thought,
you know, I think that I know so little about
the bush and there is so right Sam, there's all
the stuff out there that you could use if you
just could realize.

Speaker 12 (01:06:35):
Sorry, how much we rely on Google. Like I've got
a friend when when I'm going through something, or she
knows somebody or we're just talking, she'll just jump straight
onto Google and just ask the question. And it's like,
hang on, stop, you know, I think about it because
Google may not be around, Like, look what happens with
twiny k Everyone thought that would have no computers. How

(01:06:56):
do we prepare ourselves mentally for that? We didn't really
do that. If we needed to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Rely on it, most people just got drank.

Speaker 12 (01:07:05):
And yeah, yeah. Another thing is is the call before
me actually brought out because I was driving to see
so I came home, so I had a little space
where I didn't hear what, you know, the other callers
in Texas we're saying. But he actually said about you know,
discipling through the bad guys and the good guys, you know,

(01:07:25):
the leadership, right, and he brought up with Titler, that's
a really good point.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
How do we know that?

Speaker 12 (01:07:30):
When are we are thinking everyone's our friend? Because Facebook,
if we befriend twenty, you know, like a thousand people
or two hundred people, how do we know who's got
our point of call across?

Speaker 22 (01:07:42):
Right?

Speaker 12 (01:07:43):
And then I come to my second point, okay, and
that is basically the God of the Bible.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:07:51):
And some people are for it, some people aren't. But
when we have nothing, and when we relying on engineering
tea and we don't have the mcguiver around with us,
what are we going to trust? What are we going
to do? Because at the end of the day, we
don't rely on ourselves if we don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, what what you lean on
in a time like that would be and would be huge,
wouldn't it. Yeah? You know what you're what your philosophy
for life is how you approach the situation the huge
amount of adversity that would come your way. Absolutely, thanks
for you call Sam So. I think it's the Carwa color. Oh, yes,

(01:08:34):
is the is the toothbrush the bush, the toothbrush you
find in the bush.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
I've her colo Cola does a lot of things. I
think you use it on a scratch. And it's got
disinfectant elements to it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Yeah, antibacterial juices to the stem, natural fibers freshens your breath.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
So there you go.

Speaker 22 (01:08:52):
You just have to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Recognize what a cardocara looks like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Right, I'm going to google that right now. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
You can brush your teeth while you've been chased through
the bushboy post apocolate. Maria is trying to steal your
oil off you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
That is important. It is sixteen to three back very shortly,
but ken it from you. If the internet and society
started to fall apart, what are the basic skills you
think you would need?

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Back in the mote, the issues that affect you, and
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Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
It is thirteen two three this Texas, says Matt. No, no, no,
no no to your suggestion of using moss to wipe
your freckle. I did it once in the Tarta door
is about forty years ago. The moss on the tree
looks so soft and perfect, but I regretted it for
about four days while walking like John Wayne by Matt,

(01:09:46):
I suggest you use stinging nettle for bog paper. Thanks
for that, Craig, Yep, thanks, okay, right there, Dow Yep,
so that in your book. As soon as some civilization
breaks down, I'll be off into the bush to find
some stinging needle and I'll go, Craig, what I mean?
You know, I don't want to be too focused on
that part of things. But society went fear all over

(01:10:08):
to paper during COVID. Could you imagine the carnage off
the internet and access to food disappeared.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
People lost their mind.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Terrifying, And yet that's how for most of our evolution
humans have lived out on the bush hunting, looking after ourselves,
only carrying on our back, only only what we can
carry on our back.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
We are the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Outliers in the history of humanity, not knowing anything and
being pampered and not being able to survive outside of
our houses. But we're talking about the generational thing, and
I think one of the first things you need to
grab when civilization collapses as a boomer, because each generation
knows less of the practical stuff than the last one.
So I think the most important thing you can get

(01:10:51):
yourself as a boomer.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
It's a good strategy. They got the knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
My dad knows how to do a lot of stuff. Yeah,
I'd be immediately trying to grab him as to replace
Google for me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
That's a good idea. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Andrew? Welcome to the show you're doing, and here's your boomer.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
I need one, I'll claim you, Andrew.

Speaker 8 (01:11:14):
But I but I can't wait to be the fun
behind what you search and ask me and send you
in the ritery.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Okay, right, I'll keep it clean.

Speaker 8 (01:11:24):
If the Internet fails, and knowledge doesn't just disappear just
because it's not held in the Internet, doesn't mean we
don't know how we discovered penicillin anymore. Not all of
us know all of it. But I still think very
quickly society would return to similar roles at what we

(01:11:47):
already play, but in a different format. So you're still
going to have your hambers and gatherers. You're still going
to have your traders and barterers that you know can't
have something. But if you give me two dad cheap,
I'll give you, you know whatever. They will still be
that going on. There'll be the organizers that defectively the
leaders and talked about it before that do share all

(01:12:10):
but really good at getting up to do the best
of what we can. But well that's what a leader
is like. A good leader impairs people to do the
best thing of whatever they're doing that they can do. So,
you know, and it's quite a simple thing. And I'm
not one of those people. I always think I can

(01:12:30):
do it better, So I can't lead well from that,
you know that standing point to look, I don't I
don't think it would be obviously the level of cataicalism
would be a driving force, but I don't think it would.
We already have this knowledge, so I don't think we
were just turn into this you know, horrible mess of

(01:12:54):
killing each other because most of us don't want to
do that. Most of us still like the idea of
society and common goood and you know, so I just
would it be as bad as we say.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
But what about the survival of well, not the survival
of the fittest, the survival of the most ruthless. So
you've got people now that are operating outside of the
law with violence, You've got gangs and such.

Speaker 8 (01:13:22):
Yeah, but that's still only a portion of society. So
my argument to that is, well, most of us are
doing that. So given a choice, because remember I still
think we have this knowledge, we don't have all of
it individually, but as a collect if we still do,
it's still exist. So I don't know how many of

(01:13:42):
us would go, Well, I build and sell houses today, bron,
I think, but tomorrow I'm going to go and kill
people and steal your food, meath leap of you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Most of us.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
I like your optimism, but I would say, you know,
this is my view obviously. But the LA riots come
to mind, and so it all kicked off there and
police had to leave that area of LA and it
was chaos. There was normal people breaking into businesses, stealing
whatever they could because they lost their frecking mind. There
was no police and rules to stop them. And that's
just one small example. Do you know, do you not

(01:14:18):
think there's an element in humanity that when there's no
rules and nobody will stop you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
And so someone goes because you've already got thieves that
break into houses because they want stuff that other people
have if there's no police and no justice system to
punish them for doing it. Aren't just the five percent
of terrible people in the population just going to try
and take everything of good people like yourself, Andrew, my.

Speaker 8 (01:14:41):
Aunt and well, look on two things in life. I'm
an idealist and I'm nai despite having good knowledge hope
that most people but I don't. I would almost have
to be left in a one on one battle with
the only other inhabitant averse over food in order to

(01:15:04):
want to kill them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Well, bless you, Andrew. So we've got to we've got
a nipof and play some messages. But absolutely that's a
good Boomer to have by your side. Yeah, he knows something,
but is a lover not a fighter, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Yah, Yeah, he's a good man, right, beckon a mo
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Four minutes two three, Right, we've got full boards at
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Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Yeah, and someone says, are there zombies involved in this
civilization breakdown that you guys are talking about and what
you need to prepare? I wasn't imagining zombies, but I will.
My mate mean and I are has come up with
the ultimate plan if there is a zombie apocalypse. Okay,
so brilliant, Ho'll share with you. I can't believe I
hadn't thought about.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Oh, this is going to be good, right?

Speaker 22 (01:15:53):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

Speaker 10 (01:15:55):
To gool.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
I'd love to hear from you that if society does collapse,
you don't have the internet to fall back on. What
is the core skill you think you'd need to get
a here to survive? Rebuild nine nine two is their text,
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Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
He usually charges one thousand bucks an hour, I think, so, yeah,
make sure you get at BUTO, let's get back to
this discussion. It's absolutely kicked off. What would happen or
what skill do you think you would need if the
internet went down in society started to collapse those basic
skills that you think would get you through and help
to start rebuilding.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
This Texas is a country riddled with active super volcanoes.
Like New Zealand, we probably should have an entire country
evacuation plan. Hi, guys. The fact that, the fact is
that the massive growth and distribution of food relies on technology.
Without fuel, actricity and logistics, a lot of people won't survive.
It's as simple as that living a subsistent lifetime can

(01:17:41):
probably only support a couple of million people at most.
It's a sad fact, but at least three million people
in New Zealand would not survive, and the balance would
have to live in a dog eat dog manner until
the basics of technology could be re established hundreds of
years from now. Sorry, but that's what will happen. Kindest regards, Dave.
I mean you're a realist.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
M Yeah, there's a lot of truth in that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
This Texas says one second, where was it? It was
an interesting one. It was basically like U clowns say,
I can't remember, I can't find it? Boom are you clowns?
Are you clowns? Suggesting that society would collapse without the Internet.
It's only been around forty years and the world did
fine without it that this is one of these people

(01:18:25):
that's questioning the premise that you might. But the premise
of this entire chat as that people are losing knowledge
and people don't have books anymore. So people are going
to YouTube and Google to get their answers to the
basic things in life, how to plant things, you know,
how to fix things. And the more we get dependent
on the internet, we're only going to get more and
more dependent. I mean a lot of houses are completely

(01:18:46):
digital now and don't have a single book in them. Yeah,
and so this whole chat started because I came across
a bok that just lists all the basic things you
need to survive as a human. And so if you
had that book on the shelf, then you just open
up and look it up. But if you're depending on
the Internet and civilization breaks down, then you won't have
that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Exactly, and it would be a mess of up people,
no doubt about it. I mean, everything that we rely
on pretty much is governed by the Internet. The financial network,
communication supply chain, healthcare infrastructure. The list goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
I mean most people don't even have folding money. They
just people walk around with their phone and swipe their phones.
So you know, are you clown suggesting that society would
collapse throughout the Internet. Well, a lot of people wouldn't
even be able to pay their bills without the Internet.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
People don't have the readies to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
That would be a bad, bad thing if the Internet disappeared,
We'd all be in a lot of trouble, no doubt
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
And someone before the breaks, as you said of their
zombies in this apocalypse, and no, I was not thinking
there were zombies. But the solution that my mate men
and I are came up with for a zombie attack
is perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
So you go to a stadium, so zombies attack, you
head down at Eden Park or for South Bar Stadium
and you live in there. You have your field in
the middle for doing your stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
You've got protection like walls all the way around the
outside for the to keep the zombies out. You've got
kitchens in these stadiums, and you've got the corporate boxes
to live in.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
That is easy, genius.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Yeah, first thing you want to do is secure South
Of Stadium in a zombie apocalypse and then just secure
them and you know they're designed to keep people out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Yeah, he probably should have kept that quiet, because now
everyone's going to go down to eating bark.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Well, first sign of someone's eyes going yellow, I'm running
down to Eden Park and shutting the door.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Well I'll see you there hopefully. Well maybe I won't,
and sewing some kumra in the middle of the field
to live off. It's a genius idea. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty as a number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Ross, how are you this afternoon? You're ex military, so
you'd have some skills in this kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
I've done a few bit of voluntary stuff too. I
did six years in the army. I should have done
twenty six. It was a maid, but then I also
became a mouth of safety instructor. Oh yes, I did
ten years and citizen rescue as well. I did another
voluntary position as Saint John. And I'm a bloody good shot.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
And you think that would be crucial in civilization breakdown?
Is that is that humans or animals?

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
What I'm saying is I've got the skills to survive anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
I believe anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
Yeah, well anywhere in this country.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Okay, enough, and so going to bloody moon.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
So and Ross, when you say that you're a bloody
good shot. Are you talking about shooting humans for your
own security or you're talking about shooting animals to eat?

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Well, this is thinking about shooting animals. But I wouldn't
like to see you try and take it off me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Well, well not looking out. From what I've heard, Ross,
it would be silly to try it. But but you
know what about when you're what about when your ammunition
runs out? Ross?

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
Well, it's right, that's only part of it. I said,
I've got bush skills, I've got mountain skills. I've got
the whole bloody lot. For example, I tell people, and
have done for years, if you're in the bush and
you see birds just not touching a tree of berries,
you stay right away from them.

Speaker 13 (01:22:00):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
If the birds won't touch me, you shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Is there enough stuff in our bush to eat? Ross,
to live off? Because you know these people that get
lost in the bush and they find it really hard
to find enough protein to get by.

Speaker 20 (01:22:13):
Yeah, well there is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
If you know what you're doing. I reckon and you're
you're crapping. Man will tell you that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
The bird thing, I mean that that can go bad
for people, though, Ross, isn't it this there's certainly some
beerries birds can eat that humans probably should not, Right,
but I see.

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
That they don't be If the birds aren't touching them,
you stay right away from them, right, Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Are you brushing it? Are you brushing your teeth with
the cow color?

Speaker 8 (01:22:36):
Ross?

Speaker 10 (01:22:38):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
No, I wouldn't worry a bit in my teeth and
keep people away from me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
It's pretty good, actually, yeah, but a bare breath will
be more powerful than a within your weapons.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Well, i'll tell you what, Ross. Look, I'll stay away
from you and there because it sounds like you know
you you potentially might shoot me, but I'll watch you
all the best out there. When the civilization breaks down.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Eager eyed Ross, stay away from him. Oh, one hundred
eighty eight. The number to call back very shortly. It
is thirteen pass three.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Hey from four on news talk'd.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Be sixteen pass three. If we lost the internet and
society started to fall apart, what one or two skills
you think would save you and help you rebuild.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Philip, It says, funnily enough. When bird flo looked like
becoming a possible pandemic before COVID, my daughter got all
excited and drove to Toupor, which had the last remaining
army disposal store to buy supplies and came back with
army boots and a warm jacket. We still have them
unused if anyone is interested. Smart daughter and half she
drove to top to get those items.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Yeah, tiny, how are you mate?

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
Good?

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
What do you reckon.

Speaker 11 (01:23:51):
Baked beans? And what the skill you need to master the.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
Abi?

Speaker 11 (01:24:02):
She from a can of beans, and you should have
at least four days supply of them in your cupboard
in case you in case of a natural disaster, buty
thedn't you hopefully the brisk you teams will be turning
up to look after you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Are you in a supermarket buying baked beans right now? Tony?

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
How many baked beans?

Speaker 10 (01:24:27):
Do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
How many baked beans? Cans of baked beans do you
keep on hands in case of emergencies at any given
time in your cupboards? Tony?

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Probably about ael that'll keep you going for a few days.

Speaker 11 (01:24:40):
Yeah, I'm thinking of putting give a little paid shark
can buy some.

Speaker 18 (01:24:45):
But but.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yeah, that's the thing. Can you live off bake beans alone?
I mean, are people because there are those doomsday preppers,
aren't they?

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Watch well, they'll keep a bunker with because can's last river.
So I mean, how many do you need? And then
of course everyone's coming around to get your baked beans,
So do you then need to have some security as well?

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Yeah, exactly, get Allen good A.

Speaker 22 (01:25:13):
You sound like you're describing what life was up until
about nineteen seventy five, where of the current population, probably
fifty or sixty percent of people would remember because everything
was manual, you had a whole range of skills that
you had to have, and so it's no surprise to

(01:25:36):
a lot of people. They would just revert to what
they used to what they know. It's the younger generation
that would have the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Yeah, That's why I was saying before Ellen. The first
thing I'd do is find myself a boomer because because
boomers no more than Gen X, and Gen X no
more than millennials, and then a lot of them younger
than that don't know anything at all about practical things.

Speaker 22 (01:25:56):
But what I mean, apart from the fact that I
guess if you look back at what life was in
saying the country in New Zealand, it probably seems like
one hundred years earlier compared to the way people overseas.
But everyone had also almanacs like Aunt Daisy's or Miss Beaten,

(01:26:16):
missus Beaten. They had all sorts of remedies and problem
solving things practically that you could do if things didn't
go right, because you couldn't just wander along for the
nearest Bunnings. I mean Bunnings didn't exist until about nineteen ninety,
but you had to make go.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
So do you think that one of the things that
people should prepare for the worst is to have a
physical library of information?

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Yeah? Books, yeah, paper, Yeah, pages that you turn and
therefore you know that. Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:26:53):
I mean popular mechanics is another one. You know, people
had all sorts of things like that are lying around
on how to fix things or how to solve problems,
and there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Was always a solution.

Speaker 8 (01:27:05):
There, or practically you.

Speaker 22 (01:27:06):
Just went and asked someone and you could figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Do you think you've got the equipment around at the moment, Ellen,
I mean, you're making a fantastic point. But I would
assume back then people had those books and they acquired
the bits and pieces they needed to do, you know,
the things in those books over some time, whereas now
the cupboards might be beer.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
Well, I think.

Speaker 12 (01:27:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:27:28):
I mean, look, people aren't are so used to having
everything sort of available to them. So if you look
at even just look at every house. Now, how many
have got fruit trees, how many have got a vegio garden?
How many you preserve fruit or pick wind for fruit?

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
You know?

Speaker 22 (01:27:47):
How many people barter what they've got with, you know,
something that someone else has. How many do their own
baking and cooking, you know all of that sort Not many.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Yeah, will probably ring up and say that's all we do.

Speaker 8 (01:28:01):
But that was what life was like.

Speaker 22 (01:28:03):
You know, it was based around the seasons and because
we were actually an agricultural society.

Speaker 21 (01:28:10):
That do you have.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
I've got a lot of fagoa trees, So depending on
when the civilization breaks down, if it's in the right season,
then I'll be right for fao trees, I'll.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Be right for there's some good barteries right there.

Speaker 22 (01:28:22):
You only need one, You only need one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Well, the thing about the is they bring the rats,
so you know you can get your protein at the
same time.

Speaker 22 (01:28:30):
True, true, Yeah, yeah, when you need a fire, so
you know, you've got fire pits so you can barbecue them.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Yeah, what if you got that, you'd swap for my
ellen if we start bartering, well.

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
We got an orchid.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
So I'm no good to you.

Speaker 22 (01:28:45):
No, You're no good to me at all. No, and
you live in the city, which is even worse because
you're going to be surrounded by people desperate and hungry.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Yeah, there's no doubt that a bit that if civilization
breaks down, people, you know, the farmers and the rural
people will be in a better position just skills and
and just you know, ability to set up before the
rabbit herds come for you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
Absolutely, you got that.

Speaker 8 (01:29:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Thanks. You call Alan well, I mean, you know he
talks about the library. Well, you know, I started this
whole conversation talking about this thing called the book The
Ultimate guye to Rebuilding Civilization that I saw, and like,
I don't know anything about it but the title and
Locke There's never been a thing sold on Instagram that
is rubbish.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Never it's all good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
But the name of the box sounds good. Yeah, the
book The Ultimate Guy to Rebuilding Civilization. So yeah, I
mean to Alan's point, you know, if the Internet goes down,
you know, maybe everyone should have a library, have a
special chest that is impenetrable by any kind of disaster
that you open up and it's got all the knowledge
you need. Yeah, you know what you can eat in

(01:29:53):
the bush. You know how to hunt, how to build
traps ahead, how to fight post apocalyptic warriors.

Speaker 5 (01:30:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Hey, you've got some overgrown funnel. Would you swap a
couple of FiOS for some funnel? Okay, it's good, we're going.

Speaker 13 (01:30:09):
To do it, right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
What are you going to be fine?

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Doesn't fennel just stuff? Isn't that sort of more fancy
cafe food kind of things.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
I don't know what you put your finel on, but
you'll find a use for it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
I did say you have a lot of fuenel.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
There's a lot of phenel.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
I've got some mint.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Oh, definitely take the mints. You can do a lot
with mints. All right, O one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. We'll have time for
maybe one or two more calls. It's twenty three PUS three.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk Z'B afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
Just a quick reminder. Gareth abdenor our employment lawyer joins
us in about seven minutes taking your calls on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is a good man to
chat too. That's coming up shortly, Jack, you reckon, have
no problems at all, and the civilization collect guys.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
You guys are lost. You guys are really lost.

Speaker 23 (01:30:54):
You lost us Boomers. We'll be gone in twenty five
for twenty years. You guys are stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Really what if we follow you around running down all
your information?

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
I leave all of you guys behind. I got a
fine just north of Aukound where that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Is that take right down. The address will be there
as soon as take me son.

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
I'll take my son. He knows everything.

Speaker 23 (01:31:13):
He's an engineer, a builder, he's smarty forty six, he's smart.
And I'm an engineer. I did twenty six years in
the Navy summer rigor of an engineer, so I can.
I can catch the orphan the creek like when I
was a kid.

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
I catch. But I heard the guy on the radio
say he'd go and get mushrooms out of the bush.
That's the dumbest thing since the pape did you don't
get mushroms out of the bush.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Nice beef Wellington with the mushrooms.

Speaker 23 (01:31:45):
No, yeah, right, the first thing, you'd kill yourself. They
are poisonous in the book Bush, so you wouldn't do that.
They're gonna be careful. What you know, I used to
live off you know. I come from a big family, massive,
big family, and we used to live off the land
when I was young as a kid, and we used
to bring you all home and and the kids kind
of way of the little crape fish out of creeks,

(01:32:06):
and we used to live off that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Are you and your son armed, Jack? B yea, Because
because you've got skills.

Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
Well the Navy, so I was a gunner in the Navy.
Don't make to shoot, so I'm to look after himself. Yeah,
and I want to make sure I didn't take any
labor people with me. Leave them in town, mate, they'd
be deviling more than the danger to themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
So so so, so, what we were saying is that
you and your son have got skills. You've got an engineer,
you've got the boomer knowledge. So if Tyler and I
rode up on horseback.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
Would you view com You guys could talk too much.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
I got some fennel.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
I'll bring you back for Joe's skills.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
You need real, real skills to do what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Fair boy, he would be liability.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
I don't think you need the broadcasters.

Speaker 4 (01:32:56):
You see a liability of everything we tell some good
young I was brought up in the fifties and sixties.
So those are the people that you need, who lived
well before there was TV, well before there's radios. And
you're talking about no power, no phone, no nothing, and
we can live. I can live with nothing. And so

(01:33:16):
these are the basic skills you need these people. And
they're all dying off now and I can still do it.
And I'm sure my son.

Speaker 23 (01:33:23):
Can and bring up his kids that will be And
you know, you take off take a phone off somebody
day for forty eight l they'll go mad, wouldn't they.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Yeah, well, well this text, this text here says it
only takes a man two days without food before they
will kill somebody. See what we want, what do you
want to do? Is we'll go out and grab jack
and we'll put them in a box and then we'll
ask him questions like he's googled, He's got all the
knowledge perfect, And then and it will just be like, well,
we'll have that Google, you have.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Your baked beans, you have your water, and you have
your jacket, a box.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Hi, Matt and Tyler. Remember the book you may have read,
A Lord of the Flies. Yes, a terrifying book. After
all these years, I don't really think man has changed
that much. You start. You saw what happened in COVID.
What would happen if the shops weren't replenished? Dave? Yeah, Piggy,
it's bad for Piggy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
Poor old Piggy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Tony's very intelligent with the baked beans are two pronged solution,
A good source of food and good natural gas as well.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Smart.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
But how do you tap that gas?

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Yeah, that's a difficult part. You need you need someone
to help you with that, and nobody wants to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Piping Tony to run your barbie, Yeah, could be a problemotic.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Very good, right, great discussion, Thank you very much. We
had hundreds and hundreds of ticks on that. But standing
by we do have Gareth abden Or. He is taking
your calls, your questions. You got a problem in your workplace,
he is the man to chat to. And if you're
an employer and you need some advice about something happening
with your workers. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call? Bang on past three?

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Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Thank you very much. Railing Gareth. Abdenor is an employment
workplace in information experts and he's also director of Abdenaor
Employment Law. His website is abdenal Law dot NZEDI joins
us once a month of course to answer your questions
and he is back with us right now. Gareth, get
o to you. Gooday, guys, how you doing very very well?
Now we've had a flood of texts already come in, Gareth,

(01:36:25):
so if you don't mind, we'll get straight into it.
Sounds good this one here, get a Gareth. My employer
has advised by letter to all current employees that they
have been calculating holiday pay. I'm sorry to start off
with this one, Gareth Jackets. I should have preread this one.

Speaker 24 (01:36:42):
I'm just rocking myself while sucking on my thumb.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Oh the trauma that we put you through, so I'll
carry on. Have been calculating holiday pay incorrectly, and to
fix the problem, they have recalculated what people are rowed
up to six years. The thing is, I've worked for
the company for twenty five years. Aren't they required to
pay me out for twenty five years, not for six?

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:37:02):
Yeah, This is a dozy, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:37:05):
It is?

Speaker 24 (01:37:06):
Well, this business is is not alone because as we know,
I love the Holidays Act and it makes it pretty
difficult to pay someone the correct amount even if you
want to. There is a limitation period here, and that's
why they're going back six years. You can certainly try

(01:37:28):
and claim the twenty five years, but you're not going
to have a legal case for it.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Right, so is six years because often things are seven years,
aren't they Is it a six year.

Speaker 24 (01:37:41):
Six years here? I think seven years is for some
records and tax stuff, right, Yeah, so yeah, I think
I would most probably take the money and enjoy it
because it's unexpected money that you're getting. You can make
an argument for the full twenty five years worth, but
if you push it too hard, the business might not

(01:38:02):
still be in business.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Yeah yeah, I mean that is rough though. Nineteen years incorrect,
but yeah, I mean it's just practicality of existence, isn't it?
So total? I think it's just the six years for you,
I'm afraid, but thank you so much for your text, Sharon.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
Hi, how are you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Gareth is on?

Speaker 17 (01:38:23):
Hey? I've got a question for you. My husband's going
to be on annual leave over the Christmas break for
a week. However, during the annual leave time, he's required
to be on call as well. I'm just wondering how
that works. As I say it, if you're on annual
leave in no phone, no, you're away from work, you've

(01:38:44):
got your call nical wellbeing, you're entitled to you four weeks.
But if you're on call as well, so you would
get paid for your holiday pay for a week. But
then you'd be required to work outside of or anytime
actually and get paid anything on call, but you might
not get called out.

Speaker 24 (01:39:03):
This is this is a very very tricky one, Sharon,
and a lot depends on what the restrictions are going
to be on your husband's time and the activities he
can do. It's a vexed issue that has gone through
several court processes and it's still a bit vague, and

(01:39:24):
it really comes down to the particular circumstances of each
employment relationship. You know, for example, if it's a job
where your husband is prevented from drinking alcohol while he's
on call, or needs to be close to home so
that he can get to work within a certain period

(01:39:45):
of time, there is likely to be an argument that
he's actually working and he should be paid as if
he was working. In other cases, being on call actually
doesn't really limit you much at all. And you know
it might be that if someone calls, you need to
get back to them within a few hours, and so

(01:40:08):
it really depends. I would go through that with your husband,
look at what the restrictions are, and then start a
discussion with the employer.

Speaker 10 (01:40:19):
Okay.

Speaker 24 (01:40:20):
In most cases where people are expected to be on
call as if they were actually working, this is due
to the employer not having turned their mind to it,
rather than them sitting in a back room thinking about
how they can take advantage of someone. So start a
conversation and see where you get to.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
All the best.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Yeah, go well shared, and thank you very much for
giving us a buzz.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Oh, it's no holiday at all unless you can rest,
and so that's right on call, you're not, it's not
a holiday at all.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
Yeah, and I didn't realize. So, Gareth, can you be
on call and not be paid for that? I would
have thought it's a legislation that they have to pay.

Speaker 24 (01:41:02):
There definitely needs to be some payment. The question is
how much are you going to be paid the full
amount or not. And of course if you actually get
called out during that period on call, how much are
you going to be paid then? So definitely not a
straightforward question.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
Yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you've got a question for Gareth Hee
is with us for about another fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
He's interesting text that's come through. We have never been
told that we're not allowed to hook up with other staff.
My new girlfriend works on another floor. My manager saw
us at a pub told me I should have told
him and that this was a problem or could be
a problem. Is it illegal to be with staff? Can't
see nothing in my contract?

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
Spicy?

Speaker 24 (01:41:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
Man.

Speaker 24 (01:41:52):
They coming out with all the soucy ones today, aren't they.
It really depends on what sort of job it is
and what the roles are. Some workplaces prevent or prohibit
relationships between a manager and a subordinate for obvious reasons.

(01:42:14):
Other workplaces require you to disclose it so that that
can be managed. Obviously, you don't want accusations of favoritism
or actual favoritism.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
In this case.

Speaker 24 (01:42:25):
If there's nothing in the employment agreement and there's no
policy of it, and the people work at the same
workplace but not directly in the same team or in
the same reporting line. You kind of wonder what's the issue.
So it sounds like this manager is maybe going a
bit too far. Be interesting to know more about it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
I've got a theory, well just wild theory. I don't
know anything. It's funny when you just get a text
because more information please nine two to that text. But
the manager's seeing you at the pub with this other person.
The managers out of line to bring that up right,
and does the manager fancy this person highly?

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Yeah, we need more handle us well.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
Otherwise it's such a weird thing to do. I saw
you out the pub other than gossiping or I mean,
that's an awkward position to put someone on if this,
if you're allowed to see someone else, it's not in
the contract and work hours, And why is the manager
bringing it up in this it's go gossip. But to
say it might be a problem, we need more. It
sounds like a soap opera. It does, doesn't that We

(01:43:32):
love it? Yeah, I reckon, you need ask your manager
if he fancies this this new girlfriend of yours. Actually,
to be fair, I've assumed that's that this is a
male sending through. I thought my new girlfriend yet Okay,
there we go. Well, you know it could be what
could be made long assumptions. Send us more details nine
two nine two, and then maybe we can give a
more detailed answer to your question.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?
To call back very shortly. It is eighteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on mad Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Sixteen two four and we are joined by Abdenoy's an
employment workplace, an information expert and director of abden or
Employment Law, taking your calls and questions.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
Tony, welcome the show.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
Hey boys, how are you very good? Good?

Speaker 11 (01:44:21):
Hi Gareth.

Speaker 18 (01:44:24):
The company that we worked for got hacked last week
and as a result, our system went down and has
been down for the last ten days. My question is
the company is asking us to take that time that
we haven't been able to go into the office to

(01:44:46):
take leave without pay, or they are taking that time
off of our leave. My question is can they legally
do that because the pack was obviously through no fault
with ours.

Speaker 24 (01:45:02):
Yeah, that's a very tricky situation, isn't it. This is
one of those situations that does happen from time to
time where the employer can't provide work. The general rule
is they can't require you to take leave unless they
give you fourteen days notice of that requirement, and even

(01:45:23):
then they have to act in good faith. However, they
can ask you to take that time as leave, whether
and you'll leave or unpaid leave, and if you agree
then that's not a problem. Of course, some employment agreements
do have clauses that say if the employer can't provide

(01:45:44):
you with work through no fault of their own, sometimes
weather conditions as a common example of that, then they
don't have to pay you and they don't have to
provide work. So I would carefully check your employment agreement.
The other thing is, I don't know what sort of
work you do or what sort of business it is,
but if they haven't been able to operate for ten days,

(01:46:07):
I imagine that the business is taking quite a hit
in terms of income cash flow, and so sometimes you
need to think about do I want to win the
battle but lose the war. Depending on how big and
successful the business is, you know it might actually be

(01:46:28):
a good idea to show a bit of goodwill, not
necessarily agree with everything they're asking, but show some goodwill
when I'm sure that will be appreciated if you don't,
and you know that might have impactful ongoing employment, not directly.
But yeah, tricky situation for all involved.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
Isn't it?

Speaker 18 (01:46:52):
Very trickily, very tricky?

Speaker 21 (01:46:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Yeah, all the best with that, Tony, thank you very
much for ringing in Jackie.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Your question for Gareth him, Yes, but.

Speaker 12 (01:47:04):
Peture from putting me on a.

Speaker 15 (01:47:07):
That's just a good question and mine.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Did she just say please don't put me on here?

Speaker 4 (01:47:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
I think so. Yeah, you're on it, you were on it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
Yeah, yeah, we'll take you off. Ajeg.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
We'll just put your back to Andrew and maybe come
tell you what You've gotta be careful when you're in
eight hundred and eighteen eighty because you will often get
put on ere Kevin, Hey, HOWI very well.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Gareth is standing by for you.

Speaker 25 (01:47:29):
Kiv Garret, Hey, Gareth. My question is I used to
work for a crusty company. There used to be a
registry for qv saver funds and I used to be
with them. I was working with I used to be
with them for more than twelve years, and then I
got a better job offer. I resigned on the seventh

(01:47:52):
of jan and my ansary was on the twenty second
of February. I had around fifty three or fifty four
days of annual leave and they didn't pay me the
full amount for twenty two days, just ten persons. What
they said that contention was I didn't work till my

(01:48:14):
anastary day and that's why I wasn't paid for the
full amount.

Speaker 24 (01:48:20):
Yeah, that is a situation that occurs quite often. There's
a common misconception in terms of holidays. When you finish
up work. There's two different types of payments that happen.
There's payment for the leave which you've become entitled to,
which is the leave where you have passed your anniversary date,

(01:48:42):
and then there's a crude leave, and there's a formula
in the Act for how that's paid out. Basically, it's
the accruede leave is paid out at eight percent of
your earnings for that year. So from what you've told me,
it sounds like the company has paid it out correctly,

(01:49:03):
although it does seem like quite a big difference. I
would just ask them for a breakdown. They are required
to bride you with the breakdown of your final pay
and that should show the two different amounts of leave.

Speaker 25 (01:49:18):
Right So, if I had taken annual leave in should
I resigning right away? How would have been fathful?

Speaker 6 (01:49:26):
Because that's a few two days of annual leave.

Speaker 24 (01:49:29):
There still would have been a difference for leave that
you had accrued but not become entitled to when your
final pay was processed. The only way that wouldn't have
happened is if you took all fifty two days leave.
But I'd be quite surprised if your employer would have
allowed you to do that. Okay, the best thing to

(01:49:51):
do is to ask them for a breakdown and that
should set it out clearly for you.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
Yeah, good luck with that, Kevin. One final question here
have I text.

Speaker 24 (01:50:01):
Not about the holidays?

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
Are not about the Holiday Act? This one's a good one.
Though I'm a permanent employee and I drive a company vehicle.
I think I should be paid when traveling between jobs,
but they refuse to do that. Is that under legislation?

Speaker 24 (01:50:19):
That sounds quite surprising. Usually you would expect that to
be paid. It sounds like it's work, But of course,
it really depends on what's in this employment agreement. It
depends on the nature of the work. Usually I would
expect an employee who was driving a work vehicle between

(01:50:40):
jobs to be paid for that travel time.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Well, this person that always has been the company our todays,
she will they will only be pay her when she
arrived to site.

Speaker 24 (01:50:53):
Yeah, okay, so that's slightly different. Often in the construction
industry it is agreed in the employment agreement that payment
only starts from the place of work, which is work site.
In other cases, there's a there's a yard or an

(01:51:14):
office that they start from, and then the travel would
be covered. It is a difficult one because it really
depends on what's been agreed between the parties. Now, occasionally
you find cases where there is no employment agreement and
it hasn't been set out what's agreed between the parties,
and the employee thinks they've agreed to one thing and

(01:51:36):
the company thinks they've agreed to something else.

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
Yeah, no, very good, Gareth, thank you so much. As always,
we've got hundreds of textall save all those for next time,
and we promise we'll weed out those holiday bay ones.
We won't do that to you again.

Speaker 24 (01:51:50):
It's to be fair and you're just like seeing me
in pain.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Actually, the problem is there about ninety five percent of
the text of course, So.

Speaker 24 (01:51:57):
Yeah, yeah, let's sell you what There's going to be
nothing to discuss if they bring in this new act.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
Yeah exactly. Hey go well mate, always a pleasure having
you on. We'll catch up again soon.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Thanks. Guys.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
That is Gareth Abdenor and we play an information expert.
You can check him out ebden or law dot in z.
He is very good at what he does. Back in
the moment is eight to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used
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Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
It is five to four.

Speaker 2 (01:52:28):
All right. That brings us to the end of our show.
Thank you so much for listening. As always, we love
the chats today. It's been a good old time. The
podcast will be out in about an hour. Paul Holmes
Broadcaster of the Year hitherto Plaicy Ellen is up next.
But right now, Tyler, my good buddy, why am I
playing this song?

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
Oh London Calling by the Clash, great showing, but I
genuinely have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
Well, it's because we were talking about civilization breakdown and
this song is about Britain on the brink. It's about
nuclear threats, social decay, and political and competence all crashing together.
It's a rallying cry telling listeners to wake up and
face the realities and resist the oncoming apocalypse.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
I need to listen to the lyrics more. I just
thought it was a good What is a good tune?

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
But that's a great song from the nineteen seventy nine
Clash album of the same name, London calling great album,
great song. Anyway, you've seen busy, So we'll let you
go and talk tomorrow afternoon. Give them a taste of
Kiwi from us.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
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