Full Show Podcast: 27 January 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealanders. You're listening to matt and
Tyler Afternoons podcast from Unday, the twenty seventh of July
twenty twenty five. Great show today. Half the country's on
holiday with Auckland Anniversary Day and Northland Anniversary Day, so
we went for some pretty fun topics just to get
people going. We got stuck into fecal terrorists. We did
a bit of concert chat and as New Zealand being

(00:38):
Nay says and I always say this because we're about to
explain it in a second. But had a good time.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, absolutely great show for a Monday when half the
country's off.

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Speaker 1 (00:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:04):
Gooday to you, Welcome into the show Monday. Hope you're
living it up wherever you're listening in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, if you're working south of Topol. Wherever you are,
then thanks for tuning in. If you're on holiday like
everyone is around we are and up north and a
lot of them North Island, then thanks for listening as well.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah. Absolutely, it was quite on the motorway which was
nice actually straight run into the city.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Few people driving back today, they might be listening in
their cars. It'll be interested in their topic after two
around toilets.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yet they certainly will be on to what will be
a great show as always three o'clock. Now, you had
a great weekend down in Topoor, lovely part of the
country for what was a very successful concert series.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, that's right. Long to see ever clear. But Growner
and Ice House and Cold Chisel at the summer series.
Fantastically run event actually by Greenstone. They put on a
great show, very easy to get in, very easy to
get drinks and it was a party time.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yep. But you did upset one particular individual.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Ah yeah, Okay, we're going to be talking about this
later in the show, after three, I believe.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
So.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah. No, I don't know if I upset them really,
but I just want to talk about it really, I mean,
if I did upset them, I don't care, But I
just really want to talk about the rules of going
to a concert and whether you have the right to
sit down at a concert and tell other people to
sit down just because you don't want to stand up.
I believe the rule is, and this is an unwritten rule,

(02:32):
that for the headlining act, the final act of the night,
then it is expected everyone will be standing up. Everyone
will be well refreshed by then, they'll be hydrated, and
they'll be ready to go. And I don't think you're
the good person if you're on your very small camp
chair and you're telling everyone to sit down. I don't know.
But are there rules? I don't know if there are rules,
But it's the same when there's a tribing scored, because

(02:54):
I've been at All Blacks games before, when I've jumped
up to celebrate when a try has been scored and
the person beside me has gone sit down, And I
think there are just rules of appearing. When the All
Black score a try, you jump up and celebrate, and
if you don't, you don't have to. But if you don't,
you can't expect other people to sit on their seat.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Do you reckon? That's a uniquely key we thing and
I don't want to slam key audiences, but we tend
to be quite reserved that as you say, we don't
want to get up and dance at a concert. We
don't want to get up and scream yes when our
team scores a try. I mean you've got to get
excited by those sort of events, don't you.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I don't know. I don't know if it's a uniquely
uniquely KEI we thing. Yeah, I don't know. I mean
we're definitely quiet at sports fixtures compared to other places
around the world. The amount of singing that we get done.
I think a lot of that's to do with the
amount of music that is played between and cricket, especially
between overs. It stops people from really making their own noise.

(03:48):
But yeah, I know people were pretty loose at the
Black Laft.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah good, But that's going to be a great discussion
after three o'clock concert etiquette and standing up to have
a bit of a boogie when the time's right after
two o'clock. Is it's okay for businesses to deny you
access to the toilets if you don't buy product at
their business. It's all kicking off in the UK. This
is on the back actually of Starbucks, which had an

(04:15):
open door policy across many of its franchisees. They've now
reversed that when it comes to using their toilets, that
if you want to use one of their lows, you've
got to buy a coffee or a scorn or one
of their products. And a lot of small businesses in
the UK are reversing their policies as well, saying that
it was just too much effort. The state of some
of those toilets and those businesses were to an extent

(04:37):
where it was too much hassle for them to say, yep,
come and use our toilet without buying anything. It's controversial, Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
I mean I would never expect to be able to
just go and use an establishment's bathroom without paying for something,
because as a person that used to have to clean
toilets in an establishment that was open to the public,
there's a lot of people, there's a lot of good
people out there that use a toilet in a respectful fashion,
but there is an incredible amount of people out there
that are disgusting, and so just having anyone beg able

(05:07):
to come up, I've come off the street and use
the toilet. It's a risky business, but yeah, I if
I go into an establishment and I want to use
the toilet, minimum, even at a service station, minimum buying
pack of gum. Yeah, absolutely minimum. Of course. Of course,
what do you reckon? You recking? You should just you
can just unleash wherever you want to go.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
If the business is a multinational corporation like McDonald's or
BP for that matter, or one of those service stations. Yeah,
I don't feel rude by jumping in there when I've
got to having a wee stop and jump into the
toilets and you know, use it with respect. I've got
to say, oh yeah, hopefully. But I say that, and
part of me is feeling a little bit dirty, a

(05:47):
little bit sneaky for doing that. So that probably says
a lot that I know it's kind of a little
bit wrong with just sneaking in there without buying anything.
But we're going to open that discussion up after two
o'clock because right now we want to have a chat
about whether New Zealand has a problem or a culture
of naysayers.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I think we definitely do. I think there's people in
New Zealand and the Minister has pointed it out in
his State of the Nation's speech. We have people that
celebrate and saying no. They love to the wield the
power of immediately shutting down people with good ideas, and
they love that. You can just list a million reasons
why that can't happen. As the Premister said, too often

(06:25):
when it comes to economic growth, we slipped into a
culture of saying no. It's all as easy for someone
to find a reason to get in the way and
find a problem. But we need to shift our mindset
and embrace a gross Now. The problem with that is
with a culture. So the culture of naysaying is so
ingrained in New Zealand. Did it used to be in
New Zealand used to be the place of saying yes

(06:47):
at let's just get it done. But in recent years
it's become a nasaying culture. How do you fight a
nasa to How do you get rid of them? How
do you get around them? How do you I think
shame is a good technique. I think shame has worked
on it a lot long for a long time. You go,
what are you scared of? That kind of approach if
someone says something or you know, because some people won't

(07:07):
even go on the flight of fancy. That's the thing
that annoys me. You come up with an idea and
before you can even entertain the possibility that it might happen,
you know, just sell the dream and picture it, they
come in with, no, this wouldn't work out, No, this
woudn't work And I think it's a powerplay from those people.
People who don't have ideas stop other people's ideas.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, it sometimes does feel like we're stuck in a
ertia and just you know, in daily life it does
my headen as well. If someone says, nah, we can't
do that, We've never done it. My instant response is,
why why can't we do it? Let's run through the
variables here and figure out, Okay, why can't we do
things a little bit differently. But you're right, there's always
something to say, nah, na, nah, it's always been done.

(07:46):
This is kind of working wrong.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
At the end of last year, say, I'm talking about
the shame thing so with Laneway, right, the Laneway Festival
in Auckland, and they were, you know, the year before
they allowed sixteen and seventeen year olds in there, like
they go to sporting events. They couldn't drink but they
were allowed in and then some people said no this
year they're not. Those people should be shamed, that there
should be a social cost for being a nasay, you

(08:09):
should be you should experience kickback. That's my's that's the
best way forward.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
I think we've got a big thing about public submissions
right when it comes to policy or any decision being made.
You think there is too much public submission going on
that that open up every little thing to what the
public has to say. And I know that's part of democracy,
but sometimes I feel it's just too much. The public
doesn't need to say about everything.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, like as Helen Clark said around the Eden Park
concerts and the Prime Minister's comments about people saying no,
She said the Prime minister's comments is consistent with his
government's reject of sound planning law, policy and practice, as
evidence in the Fast Track legislation. Sound planning enables a
wide range of voices on planning applications to be heard,
including those voicing environmental and community concerns, rather than enabling

(08:57):
those in authority predetermining outcomes through one sided processes. That
sounds the sound bite that that sounds like wheels grinding
to a Holtwark. That's how things don't happen the idea
that you celebrate that as a prost to celebrating the
person that comes up with the idea and is trying
to push it forward. And we're trying to clear the

(09:19):
path with their idea, trying to clear the way for
something fantastic that makes the place, a bet of the
country a better place.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If we can all
agree we are a bit of a country of naysayers.
What the heck do we do with it? And in
your own personal life or business for that matter, what
do you do with those people who continuously say, Nah,
we can't do it. Love to hear from you. Nine
two ninety two is the text number as well. It
is a quarter past one. Great to have you company.
As always, you're listening to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Good afternoon, the big stories, the big issues, the big trends,
and everything in between. Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the
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Speaker 4 (10:01):
News talks, there'd.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Be a very good afternoon to you. Welcome in to Mondane.
We're talking about naysayers and new Zelen on the back
of something the Prime Minister said.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Too often when it comes to economic growth, we have
slipped into a culture of saying no, and it's always
easy to force someone to find a reason to get
in the way and find a problem. But we need
to shift our mindset and embrace growth. There's always a
reason to say no. But if we keep saying no,

(10:33):
I'm telling you we'll keep going Nowhere, there.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
We go back back, I'm back.

Speaker 7 (10:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I was going to say, there's a lot of discreshing
in the background of that Prime Minister's speech, wasn't.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Here, Yeah, to focus a little bit. Was that a restaurant?

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, when they didn't say no to service? Well there,
Although I've got to say the Prime Minister did say
no to coming on the show today to talk about
the subject, but he had good reasons to.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
He said it politely.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
There was a bunch of stuff on. Yeah, he had
some stuff on. But when I said, can we get
the Prime minister on to talk about that, so I said,
there's no way he can say no, because you just
said there's too much nose people saying no.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
A little bit of irony there, Prime Minister. If you're
listening some great tents coming through though, Matt, you're a
one hundred percent right. We say no all the time,
you should buy something. Ah, this is for a topic
a little bit later on Sarah.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
This is too. This is two coming together, these topics.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
The hybrid topics. So one, you're one hundred percent right
on the naysayers. Yeah, And then Sarah wants to have
a chat about should you buy something from a business
to use their toilet? That's after two o'clock and she says, yes,
you have to buy something, so double where me there?

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Okay, we one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. Let's talk
about what we do about all the naysayers in this country.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
David, how are you.

Speaker 8 (11:44):
This afternon yees go, Welcome back and happy twenty five.

Speaker 9 (11:49):
To you those yeah too, and to you.

Speaker 8 (11:52):
You're working on the public holiday and that's a part
of the shame.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, we certainly are. And look the office is empty
and we're feeling quite virtuous about it. Actually, yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
We feel like backbones of New Zealand at the moment.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
But I've got to say I'm gott to tell you, David,
we are sort of on a similar ghostlow as well.
It's just sort of a sligh holidays I have going on,
you know, but we'll try and rack it, rack it
up for you.

Speaker 8 (12:13):
No, look, you're doing very well. It's good to hear
you again. Look they say is yes in a word,
it's a bit subjective, but yes, I feel that very strong.
The country has lost its backbone and saying no to
things is a lot easier than saying yes. And just
one initial example, if I often take it something to

(12:35):
get prepared or for cardigate looked at verbally, you get, oh,
we'll have a look at it. We'll see what we
can do. I've been had to seize you know, previous years.
And either you say yet we can fix it. No,
we can't take it to break down the road. Just
wishy washy business. And look, I think Matt and Tyler

(13:01):
you're both Cantabrian, so I've got that right or not.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I'm a I'm a Tiger Wian if you if you'd.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
And on top of the South, but you know, let's
say I'm I'm a MESSI fan of the people at Canary.

Speaker 8 (13:15):
Okay up, I went to school, no years were there,
but just one of the mast two things. Number one
is you mentioned in the early settlers eighteen the eighteen
forty arriving in Middleton in their first wull ships, and
they eventually get to climb up to the port hills.
I look down at what was it, lady Great Swamp,

(13:38):
which is the development city of christ Church des five Minites.
Great is now a shimmering example of, you know, a
lovely city. And if they got to the top of
the porthills and looked down at the swam and said, nah, no,
I can't train it. Let's get, let's get let's get

(13:58):
down to duned and look. I wanted to quote Judge
Bernard Shaw and it was a famous crack. I'm sure
if it was actually picked up in more recent years
by Bobby Kennedy at the eulogy he made to JFK. Right,
and I'm sure you've heard it. Some men see things
as they are and ask why I dream of things

(14:22):
that have never been and asked why not?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
That's good and that.

Speaker 8 (14:28):
And that's how we got That's what JFK eventually picked
up that philosophy, and that's how we got they not,
that's how the state's got for their unlearn.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
And also got another great another great from that family.
As we do things but not because they're easy, but
because they're hard. That's another great line.

Speaker 8 (14:50):
And I'm not quite sure about our mate Donald who
wants the land of a flag or mos. Do you
hear that?

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah? I heard that. But also interestingly, he is about
to release the JFK and r f K and Martin
Luther King Junior the complete the A, C, I, A
files and m B files on that. I wonder if
there isn't going to be anything interesting in that.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, and you've got to say that, I mean, David
Oh and to you as well, Man Elon Musk. Whatever
people think about Elon, that guy has got a can
do attitude. People laughed at him when he set up
as the rocket company SpaceX, They laughed at him when
they when he set up TESTA. He is now the
richest person in the world.

Speaker 8 (15:31):
There been some comments on your great station the last
few days about people maybe talk about late at night
people phoning up, referring to him as a moron and
the idiots. Now, idiots don't become truth in you know,
And you did not make a Nazi salute for God's
That was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
That was ridiculous. I mean, just people just need to
think two steps past that that that that. I found
that whole thing annoying and I was actually shocked that
media in New Zealand were broadcasting like that. It was
even suggesting that that's what there was anyway that that's
a whole other issue. But I do also find it
funny when people say Elon Musk is a moron. He
clearly isn't. You don't have an argument if you're saying

(16:13):
he's a more and he's quantified to me, you may
disagree with him on what he does, and you may
disagree about how he goes about things, but to say
he's a more honor and idiot, you've lost the argument
immediately when it comes to that. When I was growing
when I was growing up, David, just back to a
point you said before. On the farm and just outside Dunedin,
on our top paddock, we had the ruins of some

(16:37):
people that arrived, you know, one of the early settlers
that arrived in the tiny little stone shack that they
used to live in. It was a whole family lived
up there and they just got there. They arrived, they
found that their land was essentially just bush miles away
from where they got off that they'd bought basically being
ripped off by a company overseas, and then had to
hack the bush and live in this tiny, tiny stone.

(17:00):
It's the tiniest house. It had six people living it cheap.

Speaker 9 (17:03):
Yeah, I've lost that.

Speaker 8 (17:07):
We've lost the the gonheads of speel approach. If you
know what I mean. We equeous to mediocrity.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, question, Yeah, we've said David, thanks you call David
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I mean just going
back to the bitter heritage on your farm down in Dunedin.
That is ballsy. There was no wingy back then. There
was no sorry, we can't do this. They had no
choice right either do it or stuff stuff, bring back
their philosophy. Ninety two is the text number. It is

(17:38):
twenty five past one.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (17:45):
In a country where we already build too many houses
on productive land, also planting trees on that sort of
land is criminal and stupid. What this country does is
feed the world. But here is where the old freedom
of movement and thinking comes in. If you've got one
hundred hectores, and the person who wants to buyas wants
to plant trees is offering more than the bloke next
door who wants to expand us farm and keep sheep.
You are now potentially limited by a government that has

(18:06):
decided for you what you do with your and that's
always a fairly tricky area.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Monday, we will work out trees.

Speaker 10 (18:11):
Aren't the answer to climate change, and by the time
we worked that out, reconverting that land won't be possible.
So in that sense, this decision basically saves us from ourselves.
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic asking Breakfast with
Bailey's Realers, Date News Talks, There be.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Good afternoon twenty eight past one. Have we lost our
can do attitude in New Zealand? Our Prime Minister Christopher
Luxon thinks we have and we say no far too often.
Mckend to hear what you say. Oh eight one hundred
and eighteen eighty is the number to call get a ron.

Speaker 11 (18:40):
Hey, guys are interesting in conversation here we have I
agree with lunch and I'm following from I'm actually the
the and so I'm following from your partners conversation. But
you know, our farms, farm says built osious housing and
stone and that, and you know they're still still Liverpool,

(19:01):
you know, built in the ninety hundreds. But going on
from that, like every time I read some organizational county
ones to build a wind farm in central or South
or something. You know, we will want to be green energy,
you know, we will want that. It's great, but no,
there's all these these no it's it's you know, could
could invaders or you know, you know solar panel farm. Oh,

(19:25):
you know, the batteries and the living in batteries and
that might catch on fire. You know, God's sake, we've
have lost that Kiwi ingenuity and just you know, looking
outside the square that we used to be that sort of.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
A nation ron, how do you reckon? You get round
a naysayer because everyone puts up their hand and they
like to exert power against people that have ideas and
a dreaming of better things. How do you navigate those
people because there's a lot of them and they've currently
got the reins.

Speaker 11 (19:58):
Well, you need you need the government to come through
with reducing these restrictions on stuff like that and just
say no, we're going to build it. We're going to
do it. Look, you know, you wouldn't build the Clyde
then today, would it? Because there was Oh no, you're
going to flood that belly and oh my god, you
know a few shoot trees are going to drown. Who

(20:19):
gives us stuff? Drown them? Look at look at you know,
look look at Cromwell now look it's as fine, you know,
but I mean we've got electricity being generated from the Clyde,
the Clyde River. You know, we didn't know everything would
be stolen in a horse and cart.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
On the political front round, do you think m MP
has played a part here where effectively you know, therese
therese too many cooks in the kitchen. You've given smaller
parties too much of a voice in some scenarios.

Speaker 11 (20:53):
Yeah, I was, Yeah, no I'm not sure about that.
There well, yes there is, there is, Yeah, there is.
When you know, I watched the Parliament on TV and
after these and you've got these little miner parties, you know,
trying to dictate for the whole country. Like you know,
we've got to think that they're great and good to you,

(21:14):
like we can't just you know, I see something about
sea bed mining or something, you know, you know it
was full kilometers off the coast, Like not even goes
fishing that far. I do, I'm italio. I mean, you
know they weren't about sucking with a sand. Now the
Asian it's five kilometers off the coast, so that oh,
you know, big demonstration is going to pick down beach

(21:38):
four kilometers off the coas is not going to pick
your buddy beach.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
I think, like, you know, you're talking about MP Tyler,
But I think if you're going to change a country,
it has to be in your interactions. Because we don't
have that most people on day to day boasters don't
have that kind of level of power operating those circles.
But we do sit around tables and we do talk
to people, and a lot of us in small businesses
or wherever our workplaces and deal with people that say no.

(22:04):
So I believe it has to start with your even
within your family, people saying.

Speaker 11 (22:08):
We can't do that for the greater good. The greater
good of the country's got to count first, surely.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (22:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
So, I mean, like if everyone starts dealing, and because
I believe you can shame naysays, I believe that you
can call them chickens. You go, you can go. You
know that that worked for a long time. You're scared, Yeah,
you're scared.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, we're on the playground something awesome.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
But I'm not even really I'm not even really joking
with that. I think that that people feel virtuous because
they shut things down, and I think we need to
celebrate people that open things up and dream big and
try things and fail and succeed. You know, at least
go on flight to fancy and see if you can
do it.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, Ron, thank you very much for giving us a buzz.
All right, have a good afternoon. O eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Do we
need to start shaming the naysayers and just quickly Matt
the other one. And I mean you'd call them rogues
or mavericks. These are people that just go and do something,
whether they get from mission or not. And I think

(23:10):
is as New Zealanders, we like those people if they
just go and do something because they think it's the
right thing to do, and then they get a lot
of grief for it. I kind of like the philosophy
just do and ask for forgiveness down the track.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, I mean, and that's and we're not talking about
your Bernie Madoffs. You know, you know, these are people
that have honest adventures, honest ventures that are where they
want to, where they want to create and build businesses
and and things, you know, for the you know, for
the good of themselves and for the good of the country,
because those two things can go hand in hand.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yep oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love to hear your thoughts on this one.
It is twenty six to two. Back in a.

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Speaker 3 (25:16):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. We're talking about are we
a country of naysayers? On the back of what Prime
Minister Christopher Luxeen had to say.

Speaker 6 (25:24):
Too often when it comes to economic growth, we've slipped
into a culture of saying no. And it's always easy
to force someone to find own reason to get in
the way and find a problem. But we need to
shift our mindset and embrace growth. There's always a reason
to say no. But if we keep saying no, I'm

(25:46):
telling you we'll keep going nowhere.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
It's a good line, good line. Is it true?

Speaker 9 (25:51):
Though?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Are we a bunch of naysayers?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah? And how do you deal with the naysayer if
we are? Because you can say something like that and
good on them, But how do you deal with it?
Because if we do have a culture of saying no,
and I think you need to deal with it one
on one every time it comes up. You know, because
you can point to councils, you can put the government point,
but you know, what about people that you're working with

(26:13):
on a day to day that I had this situation
where I came up with this fantastic idea that I
text to the boss of a company yep, and he
said this was great, and he seed me in with
other people in his company. Great response, and then he
got like then an email that came back was about
three pages of why this wouldn't work. And then he

(26:34):
then the response from him to all was just Jesus Christ.
And I wasn't sure what he meant by Jesus Christ
dot dot dot dot, whether it was Jesus Christ. We
can't do it because all those reasons or Jesus Christ.
That's a lot of reasons not to do quite a
simple thing.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, did you ever find out?

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I haven't. Actually I look for to talking to this
guy again next time I do. But I read it that,
oh my god, let's just do it.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Three pages of yeah, reasons why you can't do something.
If if he's the boss of a company, you'd think
he's saying, Man, that's a lot of reasons of just
saying no, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
And it was a great idea of mine. But I'm
I'm still trying to push this through, so I'm not
going to say what it is. It's going to happen.
It's going to happen, this idea of mine.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Oh that's a great tease. One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call if you want to
text through. You can nine two ninety two Neil. How
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 15 (27:21):
Ah, I'm very well, thank you?

Speaker 3 (27:22):
How are you very good? Do you think we are
a bunch of nassas we say no to pretty much
everything can progress just gets ground to a halt.

Speaker 16 (27:30):
I just wanted to briefly say that I think one
of the worst organizations to do this are local body councils.
But there are lots of stories out there of people
with good ideas or people want to do developments and
a whole different lot of fields go to the council
to try and talk it through. No, you can't do that. No,

(27:51):
this is why there are lots of stories out there.
There are people who've almost written books about it. So
that's just my opinion.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
No, No, that's and a lot of people would agree
with that, Neil, do you think that is because local
body government, by their very nature nature, there's a lot
of layers there. So if you want to do anything,
you've got to go through a myriad of different people,
and you're going to come across one of them who's
just a massive nasance. It can't be done too hard. Sorry,

(28:18):
try again.

Speaker 16 (28:19):
Yeah, well that may it will be yeah yeah, and
good glogal bodies. It's more and more difficult to actually
talk to anybody at all. They're very reluctant, some of them,
to actually talk.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
It's funny though, because it's what you want to happen,
or not often what aligns with what you want. So
for example, there was the meyor Wayne Brown was pushing
back against the pedestrian crossings that were costing half a
million dollars. So that's what some that's what someone someone
really wanted to do that and they pushed it through
and that was their dream, to spend huge amounts of

(28:50):
money on pedestrian crossings when you could actually just deal
with a can of paint. So, yeah, like some things
do need to be stopped.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
There's a balance, isn't it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But
but I guess, but I guess what I'm kind of
talking about is whenever I you know, I've been noticing
this thing, whenever even.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
And I was talking to a friend of mine who's
Australian's come over here and he's running a company over here,
running a business over here, and he said, what he
found in New Zealand is people just lining up you
say something, They don't even walk down the path. We're
not even walked down the path of the fantasy unicorn
half hour where you just dream of it. It's immediately
no no no no no no no no no no.

(29:29):
Rather than let's look at the possibility, let's open our
heart and look at the possibility of maybe being able
to do this idea, this business, this way that we
could make some money or do a new start a venture.
It's no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 16 (29:45):
And that that's the attitude that counsel local bodies should
have when someone goes to them to try and discust
something that they want to do, other than just say no,
you can't do that, which does happen a lot. Yeah,
tools true, and let's see how we could do something
here or assist you or whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I mean the hard part about that, Neil is there
has been examples of that happening in local body. I
just think after the earthquakes and christ It's right, they
had this campaign called Share an Idea where people of
Canterbury could share an idea about what they wanted the
city to look like. And all these fantastic ideas were
shared and they had hundreds of thousands of ideas came

(30:26):
through and that got presented to the government because the
government kind of took over. Jerry Brownlee was the Minister
of earthquake Recovery and I think maybe one of those
ideas got got across the line. In the ends, most
of them the government just said Nah, too hard, too expensive,
can't do it. Sorry.

Speaker 16 (30:44):
Yeah, yeah, well obviously you can't do you there lots
of the.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Good on you, Neil, thank you, and here in lies
the problem wriders. There's got to be a balance. You
can't have every wishy washy idea being presented to local
or central government saying, yep, I think this is a
fantastic idea. Let's have a think about this.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
This text is interesting on is just an idea? A
no is easier to reverse than a yes. Do the
ground work first before presenting the idea. Alternatively, sow the seed,
nurture it and watch it grow. Yougo go off and
be the barrier to getting things to progress, or you know,
to quote the Stoics, the obstacle is the way. So
if a lot of people are saying no, that's the
path that you have to go through to get your

(31:27):
idea across. Just because they're saying no, it doesn't mean
you stop.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
That shows your messala you've got the character to push
through those challenges.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
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Speaker 3 (31:52):
They'd be good afternoon thirteen to two, And we're having
a good debate about whether we're a bunch of naysayers
in New Zealand and if we are, what do we
do about it? How do you shut down those people
who continuously say no to everything?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah? So, Chris, your thoughts on that?

Speaker 17 (32:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (32:10):
So in general, what you're saying is absolutely correct. And
my background is in the investigation space and audit space,
and I have found that it's third tier managers that
are scared of being sound, not performing or failing in
things and by their staff. So before they don't approve

(32:32):
up because they don't want to take the risk. When
I wor portrayed me or I we portrayed me a
few years ago, and I was a manager level there,
and we would stand around the pool table every day
and throw out ideas on what to do. After we
discussed them with our team, we'd talk about them as
else and then we would trust our staff that they've
done the right thing, and then they would want to

(32:54):
give it a go.

Speaker 15 (32:55):
So we went off and tried it.

Speaker 18 (32:56):
If it failed, we went, oh bugger that didn't work,
No blame, Let's find something better to do. I absolutely
believe that we are no organization and we don't want
to get things to go, and that's going to stifle
our growth.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, and that's part of it, isn't it that the
consequences for something failing what stops people people doing things?
So sorry, but I was just going to say that
even if one in four things you try succeed, that's
actually pretty good good success rate, wouldn't you say?

Speaker 17 (33:28):
Absolutely?

Speaker 18 (33:29):
And I do a lot of stuff with I volunteer
with youth groups, and what I find my role is
to facilitate a path that they can try something, so
they have an idea, we give them resources, we give
it a go, and if it didn't work, we say,
what have you learned or I'm an idiot? No, you've
learned to get something you go And this one failed
because of X, Y and Z, Right, how are we

(33:52):
going to do something differently? And then what you're doing
is you're trying to get them to grow your imagination
and then to have a give it a go chance.
And I'm not going to succeed all the time. And
you know, if you fail ten times and you win once.
What you've had is you've had ten opportunities to improve.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, it's a cliche, you're not learning, it's a cliche,
but you know, failure is learning. So what do you
think about what I was saying before? And I was
kind of being a little bit facetious with it, and
maybe not maybe was, but this is how we used
to deal with things when I first started out and
the things we're doing. We used to shame people that
would be asas we'd call them chickens. Do you think

(34:31):
that's Do you think that's too too far?

Speaker 19 (34:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (34:35):
I think I think that is. And the reason is that,
like I'm on the sixties and you guys are somewhere
below that, and I reckon it's the thirties to forty group.
We need to change our way of verbalizing that. So
instead of saying your chicken, you don't want to give
it a go, blah blah blah, as you turn around
and you say something like what can I do to

(34:58):
help you give this a go? Because if you don't
give it a go, I have failed but not given
you that opportunity and don't be scared about it. And
if we were like that all the way up to CEOs.
Give it a go, Give it a go. That one
thing that worked might be worth a million dollars and
the other ones were only worth fifty thousand dollars in failure.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Give a taste the carey. Now, interesting thing you say
there because because because I was saying this to my
son the other day, because he's going off into into
the world now, he's just finished school, and he was
thinking about what he's going to do. And I say,
it doesn't matter if what you start doing you do
something else or or it fails or succeeds. You're young,
and now's the time to just do some stuff. Is

(35:38):
as long as you're doing something and trying things, meeting people,
getting competent at different things, because you don't know which
way the path goes. And I think a lot of people,
I guess they'd stagnate around having to make a decision
because that decision has to definitely succeed. Whereas it's fine
to do start something and it fails and you learn

(35:59):
that that wasn't your thing, and then and then you
go from that. You might have met a guy who's
doing something else, and then he becomes your mate and
you go and do something else, you know, look at
like the branches of a tree or the branches of
a tree.

Speaker 18 (36:11):
Chris, absolutely, And I think the one thing that our education,
both social and formal institutions are missing, is the ability
in the teenager's life to do critical thinking. And critical
thinking then makes you understand the consequences of your actions.
And I know everybody in my demographics say you do

(36:31):
not understand the consports of what they do, either the
effect on somebody or the effect on other people, or
the effect on your lifestyle. And if we taught thinking
to understand the pros and cons the swat analysis slightly earlier,
I think our younger people will have an absolute better
journey because they accept the consequences of what they're about

(36:51):
to do rather than blaming somebody else.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Understand.

Speaker 18 (36:55):
That's why sidebox.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Chris, thank you very much, really appreciate it. Well said, Yeah,
just on the enthusiasm of people coming into the workforce,
That to me is the number one tragedy that I've
seen in my career. When someone comes to the and
they've got enthusiasm up the wazoo, but they just get
knocked down again and again and again until that enthusiasm
just becomes inertia and they no no longer want to

(37:19):
bring ideas to the table because I've been told no
so many times. And to your point about the stoics
that say you've got to push through that, but a
lot of people get to the point and say, why
am I bothering?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, well, I mean just across everything in our country,
people keep saying I can't do this because of that.
I can't do this because of that. And whatever environment
you in, whatever is happening politically across you, whatever headwinds
you've got. That is the way. As the Starks say,
the obstacle is the way you go. Well, that is
the path I have to take. These are the obstacles
that I have to get past. And if some of
those are people saying nay, then naysayers or whatever, listen

(37:52):
to their concerns, but just just steamroll through them.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, love it.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
The obstacle is a way. That's the path.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
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It is seven to two.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
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Speaker 3 (38:14):
B good afternoon five to two. Good discussion on whether
we're a bunch of nay say.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Is yeah, hey, look at this. I'm happy with this
text Matt, you need to do the pre match work
up talk for the Warriors this season. Mate. I'm ready
to run through a brick wall. The obstacle is the way.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Obstacle is the way. Fantastic, right, good discussion. After two o'clock,
let's have a chat about business's own personal toilets. It's
kicking off in the UK and the US where businesses
are saying you can only use our toilet if you
buy something from our business. Is that fair enough or not?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Is this is saying no, yes, can't use our bathrooms.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Obstacle is the way.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, I say, if you're using someone's bathroom, you have
to at least buy some gum or a cheese scone.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred eighty and eighty is the number
to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
This is going to be a great discussion. New sport
and weather is coming up.

Speaker 20 (39:08):
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Speaker 21 (39:22):
To close house.

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Speaker 22 (39:29):
The mouse we can love of things that we know about.

Speaker 14 (39:35):
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Speaker 3 (39:37):
So you want to sit it.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
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Speaker 1 (39:43):
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Speaker 3 (39:50):
Good afternoon, and you welcome into the show.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Can I just say to for those that are interested,
gott I hate the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Go the Buffalo Bells, folks. We've got it up on
the telly at the moment. The bells, the bells, and
I'm learning a lot. I've got a say hand up.
I'm very naive about the NFL, but I think by
the time we get to Super Bowl in two weeks time,
I'm going to learn a lot.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah. Look, I'm a huge fan of FL. I got
into it by playing John Madden on the PlayStation one
when it's a catch. That's how I learned the rules.
I've been following it ever since.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Ye best way to learn it a sport, isn't it
is to play it on the PlayStation Xbox?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Oh yeah, and Madden is you know. It just so
happens that NFL really, you know, works really well as
a video game. Harder to get a great Rugby video game.
Although I don't think they've I don't think this is
pasted jonnal Loman Regula.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
A great game, great game, fantastic right. This is going
to be a good discussion over the next hour or
so using a toilet in a business if you do
not buy one of their products. It's kicking off in
the UK and the US. Recently, Starbucks hit the headlines
when it reversed its open door policy in the US,
prompting a new look at just how welcoming high streets

(41:03):
full of coffee shops are when it comes to people
who want to use a toilet without a penny. Now,
a specific case, I get it, it's got a it's good.
Specific case is love Fit Cafe. This is near Brighton's
busy City Center railway station. It used to say it's

(41:23):
toilets were available for any passer by to use, even
if they weren't a customer. But it was a disaster,
says owner Jason bright As Homeless people would lock themselves
in there for periods of time. That'd fall asleep in there,
he says, or take drugs, you'd get abuse. It's the
worst thing I've ever done. Having a public toilet. Now
he has a customer only policy, although he does make
exceptions for the elderly or young children.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Or a pregnant woman.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Oh yes, definitely pregnant lady.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
A pregnant lady. You've got a letter into the toilet.
So what's your opinion on this, tyle, Because when you
brought this up to me before, you were saying that
you feel that large companies owe you to use the bathroom.
So you think it. You think a McDonald's, a KFC,
you think a service station, service station that they should
let you use their bathroom without anything.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Yeah, well it's a little bit more nuanced than that.
So in a general sense, yes, I was at the
McDonald's and Key Street in Auckland and I got a
bet irate. I did actually buy something, But even then,
to me, it was the principle. When I went upstairs
to use the bathroom found out it was behind a
locked door. I needed a code, and I started muttering
under my breath, and someone who was dining upstairs said, hey,
I'll give you a code. Don't worry about It's all good.

(42:32):
So that guy was an absolute legend. But part of
me thought, come on, McDonald's, you know what, it's just
a bathroom. I'm here, I am buying something, but that's beside
the point.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Someone's going to clean your filth up afterwards.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Tyler.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Well, then I thought about it and granted, Key Street
is an area where there are people who are more
vulnerable in our society. Let's put it that they were
previously storming into McDonald's to use the bathroom, maybe making
a bit of a mess.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
So I get well, no matter how vulnerable you are
in society doesn't mean I mean you have to be
pretty vulnerable for you can't use a bathroom cleanly.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Yeah, very true. So it's about respect to the bathroom.
But when I'm traveling up and down the country, as
I did over summer, and I scream into a service
station and I'm not there with an intention to buy something,
but mainly just to use their lou do I think
it's okay? Yeah? Yeah, I think it's okay to nip
into the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Look, this is how i'd put it, and I'd love
to hear people's thoughts on this. One hundred eighty ten
eighty or nine two nine two. Maybe you run a
business and how you run your bathroom policy. But it's
lovely if they do. Good on them. Yeah, you know
they're doing their bit for for mankind. But they don't
owe anything to you. You don't know anyone to get

(43:44):
into your bathroom and your private business.

Speaker 7 (43:46):
No.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
And look, even in places like a service station, if
I stop and it does have a bathroom that's opened everyone,
I'll still buy some gum. I'll still give them a
little bit of business because I think, good on you.
You've let me into the bathroom. You owe a little
bit of something, bit of something. But come back the
other way.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Yeah, well you're the best of us. I I'm amazing.
Well here's where the nuance comes in.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
That ill I saint with the way my bathroom. But
also because because I've got to tell you this, you
think it's nothing. You say, oh, I just use the bathroom.
But as I was saying before, when I moved up
to Auckland, I was working in real groovy records and
for a while there we'd let customers use the bathroom.
And I was the newest on board, just a young
kid from Dunedin. So who had to clean up the
mess when? And you wouldn't believe how people that you've

(44:26):
done the favor of allowing them to use the toilet
will then just be absolute disgusting pigs in it, and
it's always the minimum wage kid from Dunedin that has
to clean it up.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Well, that is a fair point. I have never been
in a position where off needing public bathrooms, and that
is a very fair point.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Move to the big city to work in a glamorous
record store thinking that you're going to be talking to
people about the latest imports from overseas and records and
what are you? You got the toilet brush and the
toilet duck out.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
You got to start somewhere. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Is it fair cop for a business to say,
if you want to use our bathroom, you've got to
buy one of our products. So eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Nine to two nine
two is the text number. It is twelve past two.
Back your new.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
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Speaker 4 (45:21):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Good afternoon. As a quarter bas two.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Tyler thinks he's entitled to use any bathroom of any
establishment if he needs to go, as.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Long as it's a big multinational corporation.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
But this text here is questioning our vocabulary. And look,
I think this is this is fair enough. Dear God,
please stop using the bathroom using bathroom. Surely your bathroom
has to have a bath in it. Tell the buggers
to have a bath before they leave home. Call it
a duney, shut out, helloo or a WC. Yeah, that's
a very good point that this person's making. Although I

(45:56):
was getting texts before about blasphemy, so maybe the Dear
God part of it won't go down. Well, everyone's got
a problem with a certain word. But yeah, facilities. Should
we call it facilities because it does seem wrong when
you're talking about a bathroom. A bathroom has to have
a shower on it.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
But bathroom is very polite. Your bathroom. Yeah, if I
go into a business and I'm a complete stranger's excuse me,
whereabouts is your bathroom? And a restaurant, for example, I
wouldn't say, hey, where's your Dunny.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
You wouldn't. Yeah, he's you Dunn. He's pretty polite. Yeah,
Dunny's not too bad.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Excuse me, where's your lou?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, that's all right, I've tried there before.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
But sometimes people say, lou what.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
The are you're talking about the powder room?

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Well, w C is going right back, isn't it. WC.
I'd feel very gentry say.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
The water closet. Yeah, water closet. Yeah, I mean you're
not going to use the yeah, yeah, okay, So we'll
say facilities, Can we use your facilities? Please?

Speaker 3 (46:45):
No one's going to get offended my facilities. Uh, Louise,
you're a business owner, are you saying now? Do you
let non paying customers use your facility?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
I try not to have you had some problems in
the past.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Yeah. So I have a business, a hospitality business, and
people just seem to come off the street and run
and use the toilet without asking or saying anything, or
if you do, question in though, like well, I'm just
having a look around, and then they go use a loop,
probably do a number two and then walk out, and

(47:27):
I find it's really really rude.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
What kind of business do you run, Louise?

Speaker 5 (47:33):
A restaurant bar?

Speaker 2 (47:34):
A restaurant bar? And is it is it large? Is
it a sort of how big? Is it?

Speaker 8 (47:40):
So?

Speaker 5 (47:40):
I've actually got two yeah, and the ones on the
smaller side than ones fairly.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Big, so it's pretty hard for them to come in
and use the bathroom without you noticing that they're in
the air and not buying something.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Infinitely in the small one and then the large one.
So just a couple of days ago, I had a
lady come in and she comes through the front and
I was like, oh, can I help you. She's like, oh,
I'm just having a look around. And then she carries
on down down to the back to the toilet and
go toe towilett and then she comes back and I
was like, oh, but can I help you? And I'm
like and she's yeah, no, I was just looking around.

(48:16):
I said, well, there's public pool. It's just one hundred
meters down the street. It's okay. And she says, oh,
I'll buy a drink and I was like, oh, yeah,
so you should.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah. Well, but I guess it's difficult for someone that's
running a business though, because you don't know and obviously
done this before. I'm intending to dine, but I need
to visit the bathroom quickly, and so I might go
to the bathroom first and then go and dine. That
sounds gross, but you know, go and and then I'm

(48:47):
going to you know, sit down and die and whatever.
So if you're a business owner and you have a
go at me at that point, then that could be
a little bit awkward and you know, make the customer
feel unwelcome. Hear what I'm.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Saying, Yeah, And you don't want to make them feel unwelcome,
but you soon loom. I think, which finds coming to
the toilet.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
And yeah, there's a way someone comes in if they're
planning to I mean, how to be fair, I mean,
how often do you absolutely need to go right now
to the point where you can't sit down and book
a table.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Or But that did happen to me tolet well, exactly
the public toilet one hundred meters down the road. But
that did happen to me at a servo and quite
quarter and stop there. Genuinely. I was going to pick
up a sandwich. But I can't buy the sandwich then
take it into the loop. That's just weird. So I
started to head towards the loo first, and the woman
yelled at me, and she said she was kind of
a polite, but she yelled at me, excuse me, you

(49:45):
can only use the toilet if you buy something, and
I felt so embarrassed because all the customers were looking
at me, like, who's this dor it bag using the
toilet before I buy something?

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Yeah, and now you represent me as well, Tyler. So
you know that makes this whole show look bad when
you behave like that. No, but I don't think I
would be offended, Louise. If someone said to me I
arrived and I really needed to go to the bathroom
and you're you're behind the count and said, oh, the
bathroom's only for customers, and then I'd say, oh, yeah, yeah, cool,
I'm just going to the bathroom and then then I'm
going to dine here. Then I don't think i'd be

(50:13):
offended by that. I mean, so there's a plight where
you could say it, yeah, Louise, have you if you've
got a plight way to say it?

Speaker 5 (50:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I suppose we can we do Can we do a
little bit of Can we play some roles here?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Louise, We'll do a little play. I come and I've
got my hands around my downstairs like a kid. I'm
hopping around. I'm running towards your bathroom. What do you say, Louise?

Speaker 5 (50:39):
I normally just say can I help you?

Speaker 2 (50:41):
I guess right, and then i'd go, and I'd go.
I'm about to spend three hundred and fifty dollars on dinner,
but I just really need to go for a week.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
And you know a lot of people do say I'm
just going to the bathroom and then I'll be right back.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Yeah. Yeah, And in that circumstance, the benefit of the
doubt say yep, okay, go and use the bathroom and
then you can sit down and have some nice food.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Yeah that's right.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Then you go, but then you yell at but make
sure you wash your hands your peg. I want to
see some clean hands when you come out of there.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Yeah no, no, not quite.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
That's too far.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Louise, you're great, Thank you very much. Did you want
to give a shout out for your business?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, what is your business?

Speaker 5 (51:29):
So I own asty peg and pick them and take
the tea barre and girls.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Okay, there you go. So she's very happy to use
the bathrooms. But you're only if you're a customer. Okay,
all right, so show some respect.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yeah, absolutely to the you're a good business owner, Luis c.
You very much. Have a good after day.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Thanks very yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I'm again getting
an absolute spanking here from saying that I think the
big companies like McDonald's, KFC and the gas stations, I
should be allowed to nip in there and use their
lou without buying a stick of gum. Tyler, get with
the program. You would not want passers by to drop
into your home to lou use your facilities, unannouncers, Yeah, no,

(52:12):
I wouldn't, But then I don't have anything to sell.
If they want to buy something in the house, maybe
I will let them use my loop.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
This person says the bathroom is so American say potty potty.
I don't think we say potty Matt. I've given us
a lot of thought about the toilet. What I tend
to do. I use the establishment with relative frequency, and
I need to stop in there sometimes to go to
the bathroom, even though I'm not using it, using the
bar or whatever. It's killing time. I just go for it.
I'm a paying customer, just not that particular time. Yeah,

(52:40):
I mean, I guess if they recognize you there, they're not,
and you know you're you know you're going there a lot.
They're not going to hassle you about it too much.
If you're a regular customer, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Kind of dangerous. If you're a regular that's just using
the bathroom, Yeah, and you're not a respectable bathroom user.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
If everyone in the world would just get together and
start using the button, the facility, sorry, the potty, the
duney in a respectful manner, it wouldn't be a problem.
But there's there's a higher than zero percentage of our
population that will do terrible things in a bar. And
I'm not sure why. There's some kind of psychology behind
people that actually actively want to make a miss in

(53:15):
a bathroom.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Yeah, just clean up after yourselves, will Will.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
You believe you do it right? You don't need to
clean up after yourself.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Agents of chaos? What is wrong with you? Oh?

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I think there's people trying to make a statement in bathrooms.
It's kind of like a dog on a walk. They're
trying to leave their mark for the next the next
human that comes through.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
We've got to find those people and put them straight
in jail. Man I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the ninety five years.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
No parole for poor bathroom usage.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
I'm down for that. Tis number. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is an ubple to call twenty three pass two.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Matd Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Twenty five past two.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
As Kate's just ticks through on nineteen nine two. The
word we're looking for his lavatory. That's nice lavatory. Yeah,
I think we can all lavatory. Leavatory. Oh no, do
you say that? I think I say leavatory, but probably wrong,
lavatory incorrectly, Yeah, the lavatory. Can I use the lavatory?
I use the toilet, the Texas says, and I'm too.

(54:18):
I use the toilet at BP a couple of times
a week. Always feel obligated to browse the lollies after
to show intent to buy, then walk out, avoiding eye
contact with anyone. Haven't been hit up yet. So he's
doing a whole he's doing the whole song and dance theer,
he's used the lever, he's looking at the lollies, and
then when someone's not looking, he gets out of there.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Genius. Love that strategy and this texture from dpet Get
a team. Regarding the loop, I think number two a no,
but number one is okay, especially if you do pay
some money there. I use, for example, the cream Cafe
Loof for number one is Rebel Sport is next door,
and I purchased there. However, if I need to go

(54:59):
number two, then Rebel Sport is good to go.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Rebels feel about that. So if it's a multi national,
then they've got money to run the toilets. I don't
know if Rebel Sports most multinational. I think they're part
of the Briscos group, aren't they They are, but yeah,
they're big enough company. But I mean, if you're running it,
if you're running an establishment, then how do you know
what whether someone's going in for a one or two

(55:24):
before they go on, Because someone could swear swear they're
going in for a number one and then upgrade to
a number two when they get in there.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Easy to do, very easy to do.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
That might happen to you, you know. And let's not
get into the topic of on a plane. Yes, when
when you go up the front on the plane.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
If it's domestic, just you know, hold it in, hold it.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
But sometimes you can't. I think none of these rules
apply to a pregnant woman. A pregnant woman can do
what if you.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Want elderly child, pregnant woman, get a past. You can
do what you want.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Well, keep still, keep it clean.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Tie, How are you hello toist me?

Speaker 19 (55:59):
Now?

Speaker 23 (56:00):
Yes, yes, I was going to say when I was
in Holland years ago, a few years ago now, not
about ten, that a law had been passed. Well, my
friend told me that a law had been passed in
Holland that said every business had to let people go
to the toilet because it was so much of this

(56:21):
business of having to buy something and go, and people
were embarrassed getting told of so they made this law.
But it was what people did, especially a bigger business.
They made the toilet a separate business and had somebody
in there cleaning them. And then you had to pay.
So we always went around with a jingle of coins.

(56:42):
I can't remember how much it was to go, but
a lot of them had done that, and I would say,
by now they've all done that. Even McDonald's and even
a bar with a restaurant they had the same thing.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
And yeah, I tell you what's really uncomfortable, as in
the United States and in some places in the UK
and Europe where you go and there's the bathroom attendant
in there and they had you at the hand you
a towel and the hand you a bunch of stuff
and they sort of hang around in there and you're
supposed to tip.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Them, have some stories to tell those guys.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
It's just it's just awkward. It's awkward having the guy
in there and then you tip them a dollar for
fresh house and you're like, mate, I've done this plenty
of times on my own without any help. I haven't
needed help since so I was a little wee boy
and my mum used to help me. But yeah, I mean,
I guess there'd be a lot of if McDonald's and

(57:35):
New Zealand started charging people to go, that would be interesting.

Speaker 23 (57:39):
Well they would have. They would have had a cleaner there. Yeah,
clean them and that will happen start happening everywhere if
this keeps happening and they wall in Colin. They made
it a law that every business had.

Speaker 21 (57:54):
To let you go to the.

Speaker 23 (57:56):
That's what they did. They set up a business and
some stations.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
There's some service stations in New Zealand where you stop
and you get the big comedy the key with the
big comedy thing attached to it, so you can't steal
the key and you go in there and there's definitely
no one cleaning those ones. No, there's a number where
you you go into a horror show.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
You know, there's no placard on the door saying how
are our toilets? Give us a buzz in Corporate on
eight hundred.

Speaker 23 (58:20):
But you know it may change that I was telling
you about because because just listening to you, it is
the same as us. I can remember driving alone. I
think I've just got over loo and hopping into McDonald's
or somewhere.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
You know.

Speaker 23 (58:33):
But if you yelled at to something you feel so embarrassed.
If there is a proper toilet that you pay for
and it's clean.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Happy to pay. I'd be happy to pay for something clean. Hey,
thanks so much for you called die. There's a great
piece of comedy that's doing the rounds now for an
Irish television show. Comedy show. I'm not sure what the
show was, but it's some people, some friends going on
a road trip and how am I going to explain
this anyway? They talked that it can't be by the stopping,

(59:06):
so that they say to the guy just going in
a bottle, just go on the bottle and be fun.
It'll be fun anyway. The punchline's great. Look it up, okay,
so touch it up on YouTube. It's a funny joke
and I'm not gonna explain it on Can we be
making never hear no, no, no, they'll be tony complaints,
all right. You just have to take my word for
it's very funny.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
I'm going to look it up right now. Oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call though.
If you've got a business, do you let customers use
your bathroom without paying for your product? Love to hear
from you. Nine two nine tools the text number as well,
it's twenty nine to three.

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Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
You very much, ray Leane, and we are discussing the
use of toilets at businesses around the country. It's kicking
off in the UK and the US where more and
more busyusinesses are putting up signs saying no toilet for
non paying customers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
And you think it's your right to use a bathroom
on any business above a mar and par business. You've
described a marn parbon. Doesn't this anything bigger than that?
You say you've got a god given right to use
the bathroom?

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Not enough of god given right. But I think it's
the least the lights of McDonald's KFC bp Z could do.
Is just if I need to nip into your loo,
why can't I?

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
But it's not it's not the colonel, that's or Ronal
McDonald that's out the back they're cleaning the bathrooms. It's
not the heads of these companies, it's it's me. When
I moved up from from Dunedin, it was it was
me on a minimum wage having to clean the bathroom.
When and if we could all just agree as a
nation to not be disgusting pigs and public bathrooms, it
would be a very different thing. But but we haven't.

(01:01:55):
There seems to be some people that are intent on
just making things disgusting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Yeah, agents of chaos?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Is that a new thing? Or I don't think people
be being disgusting in bathrooms is a new thing. Certainly
as old as the movie train Spotting Hey that skitch
I was talking about, look it up on YouTube. The
lemonade sketch from Your Bad Self. It's the lemonade skitch

(01:02:22):
your bad Self. Look it up on YouTube. Very funny.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I watched it before well with watch hilarious glenis. How
are you the same?

Speaker 21 (01:02:30):
How are you good?

Speaker 11 (01:02:31):
Good?

Speaker 21 (01:02:32):
Was at a restaurant and they said you're good at both?
I said not he them bone a copy. I want
to use the toilet. Then I said, well, by the way,
would you rather me whip my pants or miss the floor?
Which one would you like? Oh no, no, you better
go and have a go to the toilet quickly. I
never have to pay for a coffee.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
All right? So you were you were? You were basically
I am coming standover technics you you basically you stood
them up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Yep.

Speaker 21 (01:02:57):
I stood them up all right because I said, you'd
have to clean it up, won't you? Oh no, no,
go to the toilet. We don't want to miss on
the floor, did you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
But but afterwards you did the right thing and you
brought something from the digit Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:03:09):
I said, well, now I can have a coffee because
I've used.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
I wonder if that would work for me, if I
if I just walked in somewhere and see it. Either
you open up the toilet or I'm going to make
a mess here. I don't know if it would wink
for me.

Speaker 21 (01:03:21):
Because they'd have to clean it up, wouldn't they.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
It's a bold strategy on us. I'm sure it would work.
But whether I'd feel good about doing that as a different.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Just rocking in the door and threatening someone it might
be might be beyond.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
My note my moral.

Speaker 21 (01:03:36):
I don't muck around.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Well, thank you for your call. Glenis so she's she'll,
she'll just she'll stand you up. She's like the Mafia
of bathroom uses standover tech. Maybe something bad will happen
if I don't use the bathroom. If you don't let
me use the bathroom, maybe something little band will happen
if I use the bathroom. Everything's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
You don't want to see me back here again? Eighty
is the number to call. This text is pretty angry
with me. Oh my god, seriously, Tyler, very clearly, you
have never run a retail business or I had to
clean a public toilet. The public, as Matt mentioned, can
be ever so disgusting. Unless you've done it, you should
have no say.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Who are the people that are so disgusting in bathrooms
because they're just walking amongst us. There are people, and
there must be some kind of I don't know, thrill
to it or something. Because it's very easy to use
a bathroom. Yeah, it's one of the easiest things in
the world. They're very user friendly. You can sit down.

(01:04:36):
If your AIM's not good, you can sit down.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
You can most of them have brushes and there, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
You clean up after you. It's got a little button
that gets rid of everything. You know. That's very simple.
So I don't think people having accidents in bathrooms. I
think there is a certain percentage of our population that
are basically fecal terrorists terrorists.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Yeah, I like that words. Did you think an element
is shame or do you think these are just as
you say, fecal terrorists agents of chaos?

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
What do you mean shame?

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Shame is in you know, they've they've made a mess
and they can't live with themselves, so they have to
run out of there as fast as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Well, you can clean up a mess. If you've seriously
made a mess and you feel shame, then then there's
things you can do absolutely well. I mean, I get
into that situation where I going to bathroom and it's
disgusting and is the next person. I feel like I
have to clean things up so people don't think it's me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
I've seen it here. Yeah, it's outrageous. I can't believe
there's so many fecal terrorists. There's fecal terroists working at Newstorgs.
He'd been a lot of them apparently. Well, maybe it's
just one who's doing the rounds. Gary, how are you
this after?

Speaker 8 (01:05:38):
I'm very good, thank you. I think you got no
right to use a toilets. It's put it property. And
I bet you those same people would come out and
complain about the price of food. Well, the price of
food wouldn't be so expensive if I didn't have to
clean the dirty toilet. Think some of the things that
are about today.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Yeah, well hand up, Gary. I mean, as soon as
Matt said that he's been in a job where one
of his roles was cleaning the public toilet, I'd instantly
lost the argument at that point, because I've had some
dirty jobs in my time, but never done that. And
I accept wholehearted that if you've been had a job
like that and the things that you've seen, you change
your well, actually your starts will be pretty strong that

(01:06:16):
unless you actually buy something from the business and you
come in here and you make the mess that you do,
you've got no right just coming in for a sneaky
number one or two.

Speaker 8 (01:06:25):
That's right, and I and I also think it's about
time some of these councils stood up. They got thousands
of dollars to spend on these flash toilets for tourists.
What about the locals. They're the ones that are playing
the raid.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:06:39):
Amount of shops that are in a certain area they
should be public toilets.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yeah, I mean they're removing they're not even providing rubbishpins
and a lot of towns now as we talked last
week and brought through the rubbish puns. But I think,
I think if you want to make a place nicer,
you know, then you want to have public toilets and
a regular area. Regular what you're saying, Yeah, yeah, once

(01:07:04):
kill through the town. Yeah, it's not the shopkeeper's job.

Speaker 8 (01:07:08):
The hygiene.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. When they started bringing in garyot was
and not all councils have done it, but there was
a time they started to bring in those toilets that
had music that played that the doors automatically locked. I
mean they were a nice place to be, weren't they.
But I think, like many things in this country, the
fecal terrorists came in and absolutely ruined it for everybody.

Speaker 8 (01:07:30):
But they were three to twenty thousand dollars fifty zerousand
dollars for a bloody toilet. Yeah, you know we don't
need that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
No, Gary, thank you very much. Oh eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Some
good teachs coming through on nine two nine two as well.
We'll get to some of those very shortly. It is
nineteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
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Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
They'd be sixteen to three and great teas coming through
on this we have.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
The tester said, oh my god, I just watched the
lemonade skit. It was worth missing both of your adulcet
tones and listens, wasn't for that sixty seconds? Thank you,
Heath much required barely laughed on. Yeah, the lemonade sketch.
Look it up on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
It's a great laugh. Not PC, but it is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
It's pretty pecy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Yeah, Norm, how are you well?

Speaker 22 (01:08:24):
Yeah, well, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel
with this topic, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
But thanks.

Speaker 22 (01:08:28):
I was listening public hold. Then I had to have
a bit of a chuckle about ancient that we had
where we had actually been someone from coming in and
using our toilets, because they just got into a habit
of using them, and it's a pretty awkward conversation to
have to be fair, Yeah, how.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Did you address it?

Speaker 9 (01:08:48):
Norm?

Speaker 11 (01:08:49):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:08:49):
Well, I work in a rural sort of business, and
old farmers when they come to town, they just get into
a bit of a habit of coming for a bit
of a wander around. And this guy, he just decided
to use our backstore toilet as part of his regular
morning walk and and to be honest, sometimes he left

(01:09:10):
a fair calling card and the staff, well, we come
and do and for some baggers to go and have
a fatherly conversation with this old guy to say, look,
if you're going to drop a load somewhere, do it
somewhere else please.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Was he ever buying anything?

Speaker 22 (01:09:27):
No, he was past. He was sort of retired, so.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
You know, m and what did he say, what did
he what did he say to this friendly word that
you can't be doing this?

Speaker 22 (01:09:37):
Ah, well he wasn't. It was a bit of a
special guy as well. So I think it was the
first time we've been being from using the old toilets
around the district. So it was just okay, well we
just wanted rid of him, and he took it on.
But yeah, it was, it was. It was very good
when he didn't dark in the doorways.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Well yeah, I mean, and you you're working day, it's
it's it's it's bad for the for for morale if
you have to clean up some farm.

Speaker 22 (01:10:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. And I mean at
least at least keep it in the house if there's
going to be some some lingering pongs, not somebody who's
coming in off the street.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
And in a small place, in a small place, I'm
sure he didn't want it to go any further than that.
So quite rightly he said, yep, forear cop, you won't
see me again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Yeah, and he started terrorizing someone else's bathroom a couple
of stores down.

Speaker 22 (01:10:30):
Absolutely, and good luck to them too. Love love the topic.
I think one for another day is you know there's
people that don't go anywhere apart from home and yeah,
and you know they can spend three or four days
away from home, and I think that's another another hole
discipline an.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
I know people in that camp. Hey, thank you so
much for you call Norm. You have a great day.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Mark. You run a petrol stacey here perfect, How are
you hi?

Speaker 9 (01:11:00):
They're doing fine. Tanks. Just wanted to point a couple
of things out. People may not be taking into account. Yes,
small establishment, whether it's petrol station, takeaway lunch for our
convenience or whatever, if they just put if they're able
legally to just put in a single unisex stall, you

(01:11:21):
got the toilet, the hand sink, the ventilation lighting, et cetera.
It takes at least ten square meters. Now you got
to pay rent on that. And if you're getting like
one hundred or ann twenty square meters store or something
that's close to ten percent of your rent is going
into a small bathroom, Oh you've got a bigger fit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
You know, you can tell you that. That's an interesting point.
I hadn't thought of that. But if you run a
service station. Don't people expect that?

Speaker 9 (01:11:54):
Well, possibly, but it gets worse. Let's say that you
have to have a men's and women's and probably upgrade
them to handicap and then you could be looking at
thirty or forty square meters that you have to pay
rent on. Yes, people expect it. They take it for granted.
They take for grinted that the shopkeeper is having to

(01:12:15):
pay ten fifty twenty thousand dollars a year for the
space that the toilet's taking up. In addition to that,
if you've just got a showroom and you put some
shelves in it, that's your cheap space. Anytime you have
to put in plumbing, lighting, ventilation, that's your expensive space,

(01:12:35):
your cost per square meter when you put in the
toilets and sinks and ventilation all it's the same as
a kitchen. That's your most expensive space, all the stuff.
So your initial capital costs are high. You have the
high annual rent, and people expect you to let them
use it for free. And then they come in like

(01:12:55):
in our petrol station, and when we have to clean it,
we find hypodermic needles. You have to be careful for
ourselves and we find people at a wipe excrement on
the wall. Those who go on they don't know how
to lift the seat and and show the urinate through
the seat. And then the next person comes in and

(01:13:17):
finds you urine covered. It's discus person.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
There's bad people that don't know. But you you run
a petrol station, do you, Mark?

Speaker 9 (01:13:30):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yeah, and and but you do surprise you and you
do provide the bathroom the facilities.

Speaker 9 (01:13:37):
We used to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
You've stopped customers like you stuck like so, not even
even for paying customers.

Speaker 9 (01:13:47):
We we we do paying customers only and discouraged that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I feel I think that's fair enough. I think it's
fair enough that that that it's only paying customers you
don't know, just anyone that's driving past to use your facilities.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
You've smashed me in the face with absolute logic. Mark,
and I I'm flip flopping here. You're bang on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Hey, Mark, I've got a question for you, though. Where's
your ex from?

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
What's your Colorado?

Speaker 8 (01:14:12):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
It's it's a beautiful accent, a beautiful way of telling
a story, even the disgusting story your sharing sounded beautiful
in your oaky tones.

Speaker 9 (01:14:22):
It helps pick up girls, keep in the accent.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Does I think I believe most things you told me
at that excent? There's a wisdom to it. You sound wise.
Thank you for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Matt cheers Mark. Well, yeah, okay, I started off this conversation.
We've got time for another few phone calls. But I
think Mark said it very well that one. It cost
them what upwards of twenty thousand dollars a year to
run a toilet.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Well, he's thought about that. It's ten percent of your rent,
is you know your floor space is running our bathroom?

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Yeah, yeah, just buy something from the facilitation.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Yeah, bathe Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
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It is nine to three.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo XC eighty Innovation,
style and design.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Have it all us talk, said.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
New Storks B six to three. A lot of takes
coming through about the sketch that you mentioned. The people
that are loving it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
The lemonade sketch, Yeah, very popular. Look it up on YouTube.
It's sort of uprating in the realm. That of what
we're discussing today.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Angelo, how are you this afternoon.

Speaker 19 (01:15:27):
Well, guys, I love the topic unusual topics. It's normally
something that people go on to talk about things, and
I like the phrasing the fecal terror.

Speaker 13 (01:15:39):
I think.

Speaker 19 (01:15:41):
So Look, I just wanted to just agree the previous caller,
I one hundred percent in agreement, was that if you
want to use an establishment facilities, you should have the
common decency to support them, whether you buy a coffee
or a gun or a scone. And I mean the gentleman.
They touched on a subject. I've been to toilets in
the past, and people just have an absolute lack of respect.

(01:16:01):
I think you mentioned instances where there was excrement rubbed
on the walls. I've seen it all over the seats,
and uh, you know you swear people, you know, they
define grab it you when they're doing number two. It's
like they've got a both in sprinkless system. That's just
absolutely horrendous, absolutely horrendous, and that's an absolute lack of respect.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah, what do you think, What do you think the
motivation is for Angela? That's what I can't understand why
that happens and who does it? It's Yeah, I.

Speaker 19 (01:16:28):
Just think people, sorry to put it people do it
for really no reason. They just do it for points
so they can never find for their buddies and explain
what they did. People get a kickout of sick things
today and that society that you're loving.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
I'll tell you what, if my mate sat down and
that said that, don't like.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Go back and clean it up your dirty bugger, they wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
It wouldn't get I'm just trying to think about the
circle of friends that would get respect for doing that.
If you're in a circle of friends that respect that,
then get get get better buddies.

Speaker 19 (01:16:57):
No, that's nothing.

Speaker 8 (01:16:58):
Nothing. I want to be that.

Speaker 19 (01:16:59):
I wouldn't want to be in a circle of friends
like this. But I mean, look, it's it's just it's
just an absolute lack of respect. And like you said,
somebody else has got to clean it up.

Speaker 9 (01:17:07):
The store needs to pay or the gas.

Speaker 19 (01:17:09):
Station needs to pay rent. There's consumable consumables toilet rolls,
and yeah, absolute lack of respect and it just costs
money to maintain facilities. And I think it's just goes
without saying that. If you add a gas station, if
you pump gas, or you buy something you buy by
or something in a restaurant buy a coffee to support them.

(01:17:29):
I because unfortunately somebody needs to clean it up, something
needs to pay for it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
I never would. I would never use facility as a
place and not at least buy something. I mean, even
if it's just five bucks, you know. Yeah, yes, it's
just it's just respect, you know. Hey, thank you so
much for your call. Angelo. You have a great afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Good discussion, and you're quite right. I started this convo
saying sometimes I'd nip into the likes of McDonald's or
a multinational petrol station and use their loud without buying anything.
Shame on me. Yeah, that discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Let's clean up this topic, lock the door on it,
and move on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Yeah, because we want to talk about concert etiquettes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah, I guess we're still on the edge round. I
want to know what the rules are for a concert.
I'll explain the situation before. But should you have to
sit down at a concert or you'll have to get
up and boogie?

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
This is going to be good. Oh eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is a number to call. Three
to three, good afternoon, nineteen past three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
We're talking about rules at concerts and sporting venues. If
are you supposed to sit down or you can get
up and party and dance or celebrate a try other
people that want to sit down, do they have that
they have the right to tell you to sit down.
I've got a lot of texts coming through this and
this is on the back of me being told to
sit down at the at the Cult Chizzle concert in

(01:18:46):
the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Yeah, Shannon say is yes, you can stand up for
the last song and the on cause, which is effectively
what you were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Right, I say, for the whole last ban yeap, Yeah.
And I think it's different on those on concerts, you know,
at vineyards and in places like the Top or Amphitheater
where it's grass based because it is sort of a
picnic vibe and throughout the day you have a few drinks.
I think as the day goes on, if you're sitting down,
you've got to accept it. Later on people are going
to be reasonably hydrated and they're going to want to

(01:19:15):
have a little bit of a boogie.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Yep, hundred Hey, why would you not want to look
at my backside? It's a beautiful what's wrong with it?
Eighty ten eighty is the number to call get a John.
Hello there, boys, and what's your take on this?

Speaker 24 (01:19:30):
Okay, So if you go to a movie, you go
to the movie.

Speaker 9 (01:19:33):
To watch it.

Speaker 24 (01:19:33):
You expect you're going to be sitting down. You go
to a concert, you're going there to listen to it.
You don't need to see it. No, I'm you're sitting
that far back that the person on front's blocking you.
You can't see freg all.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Anyway, that's actually a very good point. I'm not actually
sure what they could see from there.

Speaker 24 (01:19:49):
But if they buy a record, if they buy a
record an LP and put it on their record planer,
do they sit there watching that go around and round?

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Well, I have actually done that in the past, but yeah,
no not. I get your point. Yeah, I see.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Something about having that, you know, dancing. I mean a
lot like this is me if I go to concert
and I'm a bit more reserved and I sit there
tapping my feet feet away, thinking I wish every announce
would jump up so I can have a boogie. Yeah,
because I feel a bit self conscious. But I actually
envy people like you met that saying, nah, this is
a concert, I want to have a boggie. It's the
last song I'm being respectful. I'm going to get amongst it.

(01:20:26):
I take my head off to you. John, Is there
not something about that?

Speaker 19 (01:20:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:20:30):
Well, I've only been to one, maybe two concerts in
my life, and I've got a bit of age behind me.
Spresians over in Adelaide when they were touring.

Speaker 11 (01:20:41):
I don't know why I went.

Speaker 24 (01:20:43):
To see my own band in another country, but everyone
basically were standing up. We were halfway along the stadium
and like everyone was standing up. I don't know about
the people right up the back, but I was a
lot younger back then, and yeah, we just bogged away,
but we paid the dollars to go listen and enjoy it,

(01:21:03):
and our enjoyment was dancing with the thousands of others.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
One of the first concerts I ever went to was
a Spliteen's concert at the Dunedin Town Hall, and I
was just a kid. I was at primary school with
my my little big sister took me along and even
at that concert, I was jumping up and down on
the seats to the point where I got my foot
stuck in between the seat and the other thing and
people were pushing. Nearly broke my leg. But I've been
a recidivust jump up and down at concerts. Maybe my

(01:21:30):
sister taught me wrong.

Speaker 24 (01:21:32):
Well, Splindiens is not a band that you can actually
sit down and listen to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Really, Yeah, that was that was great. There was the
Ends was the Ends of an Era tour?

Speaker 9 (01:21:39):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
It was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Yeah, John carry yep a country in Western ones.

Speaker 24 (01:21:46):
Yeah, that's a little bit different. But I've seen plenty
of people go out out into the aisles, but then
they have signed up do not bar from the aisles
and that's a safety feature. But there's nothing going to
be burning mount in the paddock.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
Yeah, no, good on you, John. I mean the last
big concert I went to is probably helping John down
in christ Church a few years ago, and right at
the end, Elton himself said from the stage, everybody get
up off your seats and dance, and that for the
first time, because I was in seated part of the arena,
that for the first time, I think everyone around us thought, yep,

(01:22:21):
I can finally dance. But I know throughout that concert
people wanted to dance, but they felt a little bit
self conscious. Is it okay to stand up at concerts?
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call nine two nine till it is the text number
twenty four past three.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on yous talk ZIV gotta fight, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
What a song? You gotta fight for your right to
a party?

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Yeah, So we're talking about behavior at concert. What's the
right thing to do when you want to get up
and you know, jump up and down. Pete, Oh, we're
going to Pete here, your pete your thoughts.

Speaker 12 (01:23:08):
On their Adon Tyler come into many many concerts over
the years, but it's very hard to I've been say
that many cross up a Lorkland around overseas and that
as well. But I reckon if you it's very hard.
Like you'd like to sit down on getting bit older
now too, But it's basically I think you can't really
do that because at the end of the day, young

(01:23:28):
one are going to get up, So sit down as
long as you can, and as soon as people get up,
you just got to go with the flow. But as
far as people sitting on top of people for the
end of the day, that's really restricting your view. Then
I don't mind if.

Speaker 25 (01:23:43):
You got your kids if you're fair enough, because you
know you don't want to be playing for babysitters and
it's good for them to get out and get them
involved of it too. But only your kids on your shoulder,
not growing up, because the end of the day, you
are paying for to listen and see the view of
the band and man as well, So you're going to
grown up. You're totally lost your view and everybody did that.
That's when you start causing agro. I think the organizers

(01:24:05):
should say kids, consider on the shoulders of the parents,
we're not growing Up's also help and take the thing
too for growing up balls on you. It's going to
be not a nice Uh. You're going to end up
up out of a broken shoulder or stuffing because someone's
landing on a bigger.

Speaker 12 (01:24:19):
Person's land on you. So I think not growing up
on people's shoulders.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Yeah, I mean the person on the shoulder, it's the
most amazing view possible, but yeah, behind people behind them
not so good. Yeah, I think i'd agree with that.
I mean, you're never going to get angry at a
little ki kid on appearances shoulder.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
No, it's very wholesome. Isn't it very wholesome?

Speaker 12 (01:24:35):
Seeing that it's very encouraging and you're bringing them good
and good good environment. You want to encourage that, but
not growing up there, so it's going to step to
becoming selfish. You're not thinking are other people that are paid.

Speaker 26 (01:24:46):
For you as well?

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yeah, well, thanks so much for your call, Pete Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
You were at the topor.

Speaker 7 (01:24:52):
Event I was yet Tyler, how are you very good?

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Did you enjoy it?

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:24:58):
Oh it was awesome made. I mean I've probably been
to maybe ten of these concerts in Tapa, yes, and
they tend to get better and better, you know, some years.
But with regards to the view, I mean, the way
I think of it is that, you know, when we're
paying one hundred and fifty dollars for the ticket each
plus the alcohol, last even thing else that you spend

(01:25:21):
money on there, you're there for a good time and
it's a long day as you know, you know, it's
like a six hour sort of concert, and even if
you're on the field, you know you still want to
get up and briog you to any song that you
love from any of the bands. So we always get
the sort of we try and get there early enough
to get the same spot on the on the field
in front of the stage, but half way back. And

(01:25:42):
even with that first band, you're clear most of us
in our group and there's fifteen of us, we all
stood up and were booging in our You think it's
on the first band, you know, and then if in
a bit more quieter. So when Ice Starters came on,
we all went to the front. You know, you go
to the mos put with everybody else and you just
that way you're all standing, go to the back and

(01:26:02):
they can enjoy the sitting.

Speaker 22 (01:26:04):
But there's no rule.

Speaker 7 (01:26:05):
I don't think it doesn't better way that if you
want to stand up and dance, you should be able
to because you are there for your enjoyment, and that
if that's how you enjoy concerts, you know. And I'm
a huge concert go and I love concerts, and when
I go to a venue and sit down, I always
feel like I want to stand up. But you just
feel your cars because yeah, you've got people behind you,

(01:26:26):
and these venues where you can stand up. Yeah, by
all means to stand up or any any of the bands,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Yeah, I mean it's interesting though, because you know, I
was at the concert. I thought it was really really
well run, just so easy to get in and quite
easy to get drinks, and you know, everyone was in
very good spirits and so there was only this one
person that was yelling at me to sit down. So
I just I want to get it across that it
was an absolutely fantastic event and just such great people
there and and the vibe was was an incredible and

(01:26:55):
I got up at the start and went down the
front to watch Ever Clear. But because I think the
way it works, if you're a GA situation, then the
actual very front of the stage is cornered off for
VP tickets. Yeah, so you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
You can go down the front and have a boogie,
but not not that many people. There's not that much
room for for the for the the gas to get
up the front there that it was good for Ever Clear,
But yeah, and I but I don't understand. You say
it like it is a six hour day, so people
couldn't be standing for that whole six hours and so
and you're so right, because at the point where I'm

(01:27:33):
really excited I want to get up might not be
the point that someone else's, you know, depending on thee.

Speaker 7 (01:27:39):
But yeah, you say that you set up, you know,
and got told off. To me, it's a bit unfair
because you should have been able to stand up you know,
with Eep Clear or or you know, actually who were
amazing as well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
That was so good.

Speaker 7 (01:27:53):
They were the best. Yeah, they were amazing the whole
They were amazing. They completely exceeded my expectations and a
new down love for those boys.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
Now the sound, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
They yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:28:07):
Look, I just think it's one of those sort of
things that you spend the money on, so you want
to enjoy yourself as how you like without being sort
of you know, sort of route for other people in
the venues. But I think it was yet to listen
to the music and enjoy Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
All right, thanks so much. So, yeah, I'm gonna I'm
gonna go next year. That's just that's a natural, naturally
occurring amphitheater as well, isn't it in topor that that
we're the concert is Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:28:34):
My only gripe is that, you know, and I keep
saying to a mat and they all agree, is that
it's so such a shame they don't start the whole
concert at about stay two or three and it goes
into the darkness because all those lights on the stage,
which are great, you don't get the effect of the
stage like him, do you, because it's all in sunlight.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Yeah, it was kind of odd seeing ever Clear at lunchtime,
you know, just in the full heat and sun with
well obviously no light show. But I thought they were good.
I thought that the bass player was just going to
do a big review of the concert because we were there.
But I thought the bass player, Freddy from EVA Clear,
he was funny. He was he had some good band
and got the crowd going. And they, you know, a
big band like that playing first could be churlish about

(01:29:12):
things or or but you know, they gave it one
hundred percent and got things going. So that was that
was awesome.

Speaker 9 (01:29:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
No, Also, Paul, thank you very much. Mate nicely said,
oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is an able to
call some great texts coming.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Through the text It says, Matt, can you sit down please,
I can't see my radio.

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Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
Thank you very much, Raylene.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
We're talking about etiquette at concerts. How you behave got
the sticks from Shelley here, she says. Bond Scott from
ACDC said, cheers are for standing on. If you're hot,
take your clothes off and throw them away. Yeah, yeah, okay,
that's got the's religion.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Yep, absolutely, Barry, what's your thoughts are standing up at concerts?

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:31:12):
He look.

Speaker 17 (01:31:13):
Well, basically, I think if you paid for a seed
and that's that sort of concert and people are wanting
to actually sit down and watch, yeah you've got to
sit down. But if you're in a paddic at a
wine at a vineyard or something, well know, you haven't
actually paid for a seat, you're just paid to be there.
But I mean, it depends too on what sort of
bandits You wouldn't want to be sitting down for a

(01:31:34):
CDC the whole time, But then again for somebody like
Sir Briman or Andre Bachelli, you'd want to be sitting
down for the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Well, if someone says here Barry tries standing up at
the Cliff Richard concert at Christis Town Hall, good luck guy. Exactly, yeah,
exactly the cliff.

Speaker 17 (01:31:51):
You'd have to knock your the frame out of the way.

Speaker 7 (01:31:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:31:56):
So I think a bit depends on the situation. I mean,
those four girls standing in front of some old people,
well that was rude and they should have bloody bought
themselves tickets down to stand up on the marsh bit.
Yeah yeah, I say much depends what it is, that
sort of thing, but it just I mean, especially a
lady and a little choir, Well, no, tell thelish to

(01:32:19):
stand up like everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Yeah, I want one of those. Get if it would
have been possible to negotiate at that Cold Play concert, if
you're the four girls that are standing up and you say,
you seven year old ladies, do you want to get
in front of us and we'll go behind you so
we can have a dance. But sometimes dancing is sometimes
dancing is voluntary, Barry. And also I was talking about
in terms of if you know, if you're going along

(01:32:43):
to watch the All Blacks and the All Blacks score
a try so you can't help it stand.

Speaker 8 (01:32:49):
Behind a very.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Thank you who I like his passion, Thank you very much, Barry.
I'm going to say there is there's a difference in
my eyes of a stadium where you pay for a
seat to a concert that you've gone to, where you're
on a is that woman behind you, if she was
really upset about it, could have just moved her chair
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Right, Yeah, I don't know. It was becoming a wall
of human beings at that point, you know. And and
in a big concert like that, across the day, it's
things start off anikey starts to take hold, doesn't it.
By the end of a day, six hour concert in
the sun.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Ye, people are pretty pretty sloshed. To this point.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
The societal rules start to break down a little bit,
you know. And your good luck actually to her trying
to trying to enforce her very small camping to your
rule there. She wanted to be able to sit and
watch the concert without anyone dancing in front of her.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
Yeah, it's a bold move. Eighty is and I'm going
to call standing up in concerts yay or nay? Love
to hear from you. Nine nine two is the text number.
It is twenty one to four.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
The issues that affect you and a bit have fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
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Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Be Sean, good afternoon, Jane, are you yeah, very well.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
You've got some stuff. You've got some thoughts on how
to behave at concerts.

Speaker 15 (01:34:15):
I do well, thoughts personal thoughts, you should say, of course,
but the same scenario as yourself got told to sit down,
And it wasn't actually me. It was my daughter that
God told to sit down. Well, my daughter is plural.
We went to pel Jam back in November. On the
first night, on the Friday, there was that eight of
us sort of sat up in the stands, right up
in the rafters, with four in front, four behind us,
all sort of I had my mum there, my sister,

(01:34:37):
brother in law mates wow, and and my three daughters
with us.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
So pijam fans yeah men, yep.

Speaker 15 (01:34:44):
Yet they sit in the top tippy top echelons of
one of my favorites, along with a few others. So
they started the course as you do with given a
fly daughters know that song. They all got up and danced.
The lady behind with her husband decided to tap them
on the shoulders and say, oh, he sit down, So
of course we're dancing away. Look to my right, my
daughters are sat down. I simply I was going on
and stand up.

Speaker 16 (01:35:05):
They went.

Speaker 15 (01:35:05):
They sort of acknowledged or no. She told us to
sit down. So I sort of glanced around and thought,
oh god, there we go. Give me one of those. Thankfully,
and luckily, I thought, no, don't cause a scene. For
two of my three daughters, it was their first ever concert, yep,
so I thought, I'm not going to cause a scene.
Let's just find a solution. Thankfully, there were a few
empty seats beside the row in front of us, so

(01:35:26):
I sort of said, look, jump down there in front
of those, and then she's above eye level and I
turned around to acknowledge her and said, look is that
all right?

Speaker 9 (01:35:32):
Like that?

Speaker 15 (01:35:33):
She sat there, stone cold, didn't say a word, just
arms folded. I don't even think she tapped her feet
the whole lady tip either.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
So she said, because we're talking about different types of bands, right,
and that's odd to be a Pearl Jam fan and
be that up tight.

Speaker 15 (01:35:50):
I mean, that's what I thought. Her husband looked over
and acknowledged me and sort of gave me the thumbs up.
I still love as long as you guys can still see,
and he went, now, we're good, mate, she just I
don't even think she wanted to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Well, if she doesn't want to be there, what is
she If she doesn't want to be there, what does
she need to see the back of your daughters he's
looking at.

Speaker 15 (01:36:08):
I've always been conscious of that because I turned around
behind me to the two guys, two or three people
behind us, and they were standing up as well, So
we thought, okay, I'm good. If anything, I would have
swap places with them maybe, but we found a solution. Luckily,
if the seats weren't there available, we were at the
end of the row, and I would have said, come
out in the bloody by the seats, by the steps,
and there's other dance in a boogie. We literally danced
for two hours, two and a half hours. If they

(01:36:30):
nearly played a couple of songs, just sit down and
take a break. But when there was daughter wish lest
all the ones we wanted to hear rocking in the
free World to finish with, everybody was on their feet.
Obviously the Neil Young cover she sat there doing nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
So how could you look at how could you look
at that multi generational family situation with everyone having a
fantastic time and go. I want to spoil that. I
don't want to see that, see that good time, see
those young girls at their firsty of a concert, I
want to ruin that for them.

Speaker 22 (01:36:59):
My mum said the same thing a bit more colorful
language before the same scenario. She said, what a grumpy tart,
And I thought, if you'd have seen her, she didn't
really move the whole And if that's your if that's
your scene at the gig, fair enough. But I went
to Puss a Fer back in twenty seventeen Vector or
Spark Arena, and they made Vector Arena sort of half
It wasn't the full size venue so about and it

(01:37:21):
was all seated in there as well, even on the floor.
And what about six or seven songs into it, James
Keenan turns around and says, I had a hip replacement
a few years ago, and you guys are all sitting down, Yes,
stand up and stand up and dance. Of course, that
puts Security into a frenzy and we can finally do
something now, we can actually do our job. Security went
round and made sure that you were dancing in front

(01:37:43):
of your seat. Love that if you were, if you'd
sort of moved around and you know, made your way
to the front a little bit, like quite a few
people did. I mean the concerts I make friends. Don't
know you from a barrislope or all one. Let's just
be friends. Security came up and said to the guy
beside me, where's your seat? And he just a lot
back there and we're all good. He said that go down,
go back to your seat. I said, mate, he's all good,
We're all good. Sweet Nope, he made him go back

(01:38:04):
to his area to dance beside his seat.

Speaker 15 (01:38:07):
Well, we just been. Roger Waters told us the same
thing at the US and then Gig at Victor Arena
Spark Arena. He said, your kiwis, you need to get
up and dance, get into it. That's the artist telling
you to do that. People getting up and the fun.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
There's no doubt from an artist's perspective that when you're
looking out of the crowd, you're going to prefer the
audience as dancing or up and having a good time,
as opposed sitting with your arms folded.

Speaker 15 (01:38:30):
Obviously, I mean, that's what the woman was like behind us,
arms folded. Stone cold face didn't want.

Speaker 9 (01:38:35):
To know about it.

Speaker 15 (01:38:35):
I thought, wow, fair enough to but each to their
own at the end of the day. But yeah, to
sort of aim it to my daughters. I mean, two
weeks after pilgerm me and my middle daughter, who got
the tap on the shoulder. She's sixteen. It's pretty bloody short.
Her eleven year old sister towels over her. We're at
the Hosier concert two weeks later, just me and her,
and we're on the floor area in Victor Arena, Torry

(01:38:57):
Spark and it was just she couldn't see bugger all.
So we sort of went out to the edges so
she could get a bit of an angle on it.
Both brilliant concerts. She had an amazing time on both
aspects of it. At first concert Bilgium two weeks later Josier,
who was her favorite artist, And yeah, she's just got
the bug for it now. So yeah, you've got to
be respectful and mindful, which is well. I thought, okay,
let's find a solution to the problem. If there wasn't one,

(01:39:19):
that would have been a bit of a bug there,
but that we made it through. But I thought, why
bother go and do a gig, even if you got.

Speaker 9 (01:39:24):
A seat at seat.

Speaker 15 (01:39:25):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I don't ruin other people's frond
at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
Yeah, you sound like a great guy and a great parents.
So I think if you call.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
Sewan Adam, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 27 (01:39:35):
Yeah? Good, thanks mate. Maybe you could have passed us
something to put her asleep.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
I'd nearly had enough to put me.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Some of your red wine.

Speaker 27 (01:39:46):
Probably be able to buy something the gig, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Maybe she didn't listen to ice House enough and cool down.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
Yeah, boy, it was hot that that's that's for sure.
It was. It was very, very warm. And look, I'll
tell you if she if she didn't have the ability
to stand up, then I understand must must make that
clear that she did have She did have debility to
stand upcause she stood up to tell him how to
sit down.

Speaker 27 (01:40:12):
Maybe we see the first person in there and said,
oh this is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Yeah, I think that's what happens.

Speaker 12 (01:40:18):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
I think for those concerts and really well run, as
I said, and people have been going. You know, it's
my first time there, and people have been going to
those summer concerts at the top or Ampitheater for fourteen years.
I believe they've been running something like that, and so
people have their way of doing it. So she may
have gone early and thought, I have set up this
is my zone. Now this is she'd made a land grab,
this was to his own and then just pesky people

(01:40:39):
like me keep turning up and having a good time
in front of it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:40:43):
Yeah, I go to a lot of gigs. I've probably
I've been to well over one hundred. You go to
these things and you and granted a lot of them
are indoors, and if you're standing up, you're probably going
to get pushed around a little bit knocked every now
and then because people are going past you to get
drinks and so on. You you just kind of deal
with it. It just goes with or and in the

(01:41:04):
end you just go, you know what, I've kind of
had enough of it, so you just move.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Yeah, you have to sort of give up the rules
of everyday life, don't you That you have to do.
You have to realize that people are going to jostling you,
they're going to behaving in a different way, and you
just if you realize you're in a different environment. You're
not in your own living room at home. Yeah, you know,
if I'd come into a living room instead of with
a skinful and started jumping up and down. Might have
got it, but we're to enjoy the concert together.

Speaker 27 (01:41:27):
With some cringeworthy dancing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
Yeah yeah, hopefully there's no footage.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
Well yep, go yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:41:35):
So my solution is how many people were there?

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Fourteen thousand? I believe you get.

Speaker 27 (01:41:41):
All fourteen thousand and do it school photos style, so
everyone's lined up based upon their height.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
You're a thinker out of I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Yeah, I should have thought of that. I should have
tried to organize that. Thanks you cool, dam appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
Chaers Oh, eighte hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is a
number to call. We have time for a few more
phone calls before we wrap this up. It is ten
to four.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
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Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
Good afternoon, it is seven to four.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
I think I might have Solt sold the summer concert
short there in Topaul at the emphitheater there. I think
it was seventeen thousand according to this texture in nineteen nine, two,
I said fourteen thousand, So I stole three thousand people
of their attendance.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
It's a great crowd. Dylan, you want to have a
chat about your experience at pill Jam as well.

Speaker 26 (01:42:38):
Yeah, mate, Yeah, so I was as the pack just
like the other guy was. He must have been a
bit further away because I couldn't see you understanding up
or too drunk to either. I think when when you're
at a concert, that's the last time experience. When you
go to see a big band like Phil Jam, like
you wait a lot of time to get there, and

(01:42:59):
if someone's behind you in your saying sit down, maybe
they should have gave you figures of someone that messed up.
That's we couldn't get Jay tickets. There was any tickets
that we could get. So I'm standing up regardless. I
take all of the energy, and I love I love concepts,
and that's just an experience you're not going to get

(01:43:22):
maybe for another few years. That specific fan so.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Is a gen X you know, and and Pearl Jam
or a gen X band. As gen X guys get older,
we can't be behaving like that. We've got we're gonna
we're gonna stand up for pearl jam.

Speaker 26 (01:43:39):
Yeah, that's right exactly, And and they've got a painted
a good picture of what this lady looked like in
my head. And red wine.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Yeah, well I'm partial, little bit of a read myself,
but I'll but I'll have that red in my hand,
standing up, spilling it all over people. I think.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
I think some great texts coming through to wrap this up.
Get a guys, paddick. Okay, people can move around in
a stadium occasional song, but not the whole concert. Our
whole view was blocked of the chicks and christ Church
ruined the concert. We could have stayed at home and
listened to their music. We wanted to see them and
them playing their instruments without people standing up in front

(01:44:25):
of us.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Yeah, but why can't you stand up?

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
You stand up as well, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Unless, of course you can't, And then then I'm sure
people will be under understanding if for whatever reason you
can't stand up. But you know, I think especially rock
bands are best enjoyed on your feet.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
Yep. Absolutely. If you pay a lot of money and
you want to have a boogie, just have a boogie
and drink your red wine. And the woman on the
seat you should have just jumped up and had a
boogie as well. You would have a great time.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Yeah, I should have stood up for my rights, shouldn't I?
Well you did instead of slumping off, But you know
I was representing the Mattintil afternoons on you still cep.
I couldn't be getting into a first fight with her husband,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
Not at this stage. It's day, you know, maybe maybe
in a couple.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Of months time when I wasn't Radiohodecheke.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Sure, Hey, great discussion. Thank you very much for all
your phone calls and texts and correspondence today. We'll do
it all again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
And until then, give them a taste of Kiwi from them.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
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