Full Show Podcast: 27 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Hello you great New Zealand, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number one three three for Tuesday,
the twenty seventh of May twenty twenty five, went deep
into Winston Peters. There was a lot of passionate chat
about Winston Peters that turned into a real pylon onto
cross Hipkins.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, and a lot of chat about EMMP as well.
So yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
It was a wide ranging chat and then we get
deep into recycling, but we didn't get round to rubbish
sports results. Was unfortunate. But enjoy the podcast.

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Speaker 3 (01:07):
Good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show Tuesday afternoon,
feeling good. Hope you are to get a.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Mets, get a Tyler good everyone, Welcome to the show. Hey, yeah,
you know how I like to highlight good things that
are happening. Well, there's something that I'm involved in, involved
in it that I entered. Actually, it's the Pillar to Poe,
launching on Saturday, the seventh of June this year in Topaur,
the beautiful town of Topor by the Lake. So what
this is, right, it's an endurance race.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's open to both solo participants and teams. So what
it does It invites runners and walkers to compete as
complete as many seven point three kilmeter loops of the
scenic Topaul lakefront as they can in six hours.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
So's grunt.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, so you hang around. I'm getting a team together.
They'll probably sit at two Milbo Sailing Club, maybe having
some refreshment, hanging out all day, and then in your
team you try and do as many of the seven
point three kilometer loops you can in six hours. Wow.
And it's going to be really, really fun. It's totally
beautiful around there. It's going to be an incredible run.

(02:12):
And you know it's some agent. You can be fourteen
to fifteen year old. There's a kid's version of it.
If you don't think you can you can run it,
then you can walk it. There's a whole lot of
different options there. So the pillar to Poe. Look it
up if you want to be part of that. That's
on the seventh of June this year. I'm excited about it.
I'll be down there.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yep, that'll be a fantastic event. Pillar.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I think I'm a relay team of three, So how
I'm not sure how many rotations of seven point three
kilimeters we can get done in our time in six hours?

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Do you have to do the seven point three k
one person? So you to do it as many loops
as you can.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
It's like a relay, right, So you do one loop
and then the next person does a loop in the
next person.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
So I couldn't do three K and then hand it
over to somebody else to know the other four kr.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
No, you go, that's the pill of the post. So
it's a big circle. You come back and you arrive
back where you start it, and then you swap over
and then the other person does seven point three. So
how you work it out? How many you think you
can do in many a team. You can do it
by yourself and just do rotations the whole time for
six hours if you want, you can have two people
and or you can have up to six people doing it. Yeah,
so I'm in a team of three, but one of
them's my partner, Tracy, and she says she's only going

(03:21):
to run one of them.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
So one in six hours, Tracy, come on.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
So the other how many rotations we can do is
going to be down to me and my mate.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
You're a pretty good runner. Who's the other guy? Is
the other guy? Pretty good runner?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
He's pretty goodrunner?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay, pretty good runner. Fantastic event. Go check it out
pillar twopo dot com and something that should be absolutely
supported and it will be a lot of fun. Right
on to today's show after three o'clock most humili eighteen
sport losses. So it's a great story over in the UK.
When the captain of Richmond's fourth eleven won the toss

(03:58):
and invited North London Crickets Club's third eleven to bat
first on Saturday, he was not envisioning a defeat that
would end with his team bowled out four.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Two runs far, so they posted four hundred and twenty
six for six and then then Richmond's fourth eleven were
all out for two and it could have been zero
because there was a nick through slips that was dropped
and there was a wide so that's how they got
their two runs. So it's one of the most historically
bad losses in the history of all sport. And so

(04:33):
we want to talk about that eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. If your team has had a horrific and
humiliating loss in its time and you want to share
that story and maybe experience the cathartic nature of sharing
a humiliation, we'd love to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yep, you've got one. You're going to share as well.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
After three clode mine was so human.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
This is good, folks. That is after three o'clock, After
two o'clock of years worth of plastic waste, once collected
for recycling is likely to end up in landfill. This
is in the Far North. The council has run out
of space for the one hundred and ninety ton stockpile,
which grew after markets for this type one plastic started
to fade around the world. Nobody would take it anymore.
So it's going to cost forty five thousand dollars to

(05:13):
go to landfill. And I've stopped accepting rather colored type
one plastic.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Do you believe that the stuff you're putting in the
recycling bin is being recycled. I don't know if I
do anymore. Whenever we scratch the surface on it, it's
all a bit dodgy. It's all not quite what you
think it is. We're all spending all our time, particularly Tyler.
We've talked about this on the show. Before you put
your stuff through the dishwasher, love it. You're putting all
this effort in and wasting key moments of your life.
You put it in the recycling bin like a great, good,

(05:40):
honest kiwi and then when you look into it, it's
just going into landfill and sow. Do we need to
be more transparent exactly what percentages have been recycling, what's
being done, what's happening. If we're going to put the
effort in, then do we need to know more? Because
I just think that way more of it is just
going in the rubbish. Then we know.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
I think a lot of people will agree with you,
But that is after two o'clock, because right now, let's
have a chat about Winston Peters, the New Zealand First
currently still the Deputy Prime Minister. He finishes that post
on the thirty first of May, but he has ruled
out working with the Labor leader Chris Hopkins after the
next election. He sat down for an interview with The
Herald as his time as Deputy Prime Minister comes to

(06:23):
an end. When what he said, I quote when I
ruled out Hopkins in twenty twenty three, I ruled him
out permanently.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, Well, there's this smart from Winston and why won't
Chippy ruled out Winston in return? Look, Winston Peter Peters
has been in and out of government since nineteen seventy eight,
which is quite amazing. Yeah, good right, what do you
think of him this time around? He stops being Deputy
PM on May thirty one, he's still Foreign Minister. How
do he do? Is Deputy PM? And do you want

(06:51):
to see more Winnie back in twenty twenty six?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Is this generation? Because there's been a lot of different
Winning's over the years. There certainly has been What do
you think about this iteration of Winnie? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well, as you mentioned, Matt Chippy has not quite ruled
out working with Winston Peters again, even though Winston says
he will work with Chris Hipkins. But he was on
with Ryan Bridge this morning and he is a little
bit of what he said.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Are you willing then to rule him out? I mean,
he's already said no to you, so surely there's.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
No harm now.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
And you're saying, you know what Whenny Well.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
I did that before the last election, and I said
that I think it's highly unlikely that's going to change
before the next.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Let But they're highly unlikely. It's not not, is it?

Speaker 5 (07:28):
Well?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I said, we'll said it out before that. But you
said he's a tobacco lobbyist. You said that he's basically racist, he's.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
A pale version of Donald Trump, and he's ruled you out.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
Why.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
It's quite a good summary, actually, I think that's not
too bad at all. But look, the reality here is.
I think you know, New Zealanders have had enough of
the country being held to ransom by WINDSOI so it's
pretty clear now if you vote for Winston Peters, you're
voting for Christopher Luxe and David Seymour and Winston Peters
to continue to run their coalition of chaos.

Speaker 7 (07:58):
You're saying definitively you will not work with Winston Peters either.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
I'm saying exactly the same thing that I've been saying.
You will say out before the election, because I mean,
I'm not going to get into the specifics of individual parties,
but you said, we'll get asked about that because then
you'll ask me about other parties.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Is position to do that?

Speaker 8 (08:15):
Is he racist or not?

Speaker 4 (08:16):
But I just think Whenston Peters has got such backwards
views on a whole lot of things, but you know
he's more interested in a culture war than he is
actually leading the country forward, that you'd still work with him. Look,
I said, it's highly unlikely to a position on That's
the funny thing.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
The funny thing about this is that you you kind
of have to keep the door open.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I mean, that's m MP.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
You have to keep the door open a little bit
in case he does want you. Well, look once that's
what you're doing.

Speaker 9 (08:38):
SI.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Peters has made it clear that he's wedded to Christopher Luxen,
So if you're voting for him, you're voting for Christopher
luxm That's that's absolutely clear.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
That's is that one of the most sort of awkward
parts of politics in New Zealand and MMP. You've been
ruled out by someone, but you don't have the guts
to rule that personality, doesn't have the guts to rule
Winston Peter's out because he's thinking I might need him
to get into bower even though he said all these
willing to say all these horrible things about him, but.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
He's not rast, you know, a Trump like, But he
still can't say I'd never work with Winston Peters.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, it's so very awkward. And then Chippy's saying, you know,
will you'll just ask me about other parties. It's like,
why couldn't we ask you about other parties? Saying as
MMP involves coalitions. Yeah, so it's a very very awkward
part of part of things. But when it comes to
MP But is it smart from Winston to rule out
Chippy because he's been with Labor before twice, hasn't he? Yeah,

(09:29):
he won't do it with this with Chippy in charge.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeap, what do you say?

Speaker 10 (09:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love your thoughts on this one. It is quarter past one.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used
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Speaker 3 (09:46):
Be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about Winston Peters.
He has ruled out working with labor leader Chris Hopkins.
And that's important to specify that he's ruled out working
with Chris Hopkins. He hasn't ruled out working with Labor.
And it is wiley of Winston, isn't it that Effectively
he is saying that the Labor Party you need to
ditch your leader. Then I might come to the party
under MMP if you need me.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, And you're saying the right because it's a problem
with MMP that this ruling in and ruling out. But
I don't know, is it a problem with the m
MP or is it a problem with gutlass politicians. So
if you have all these horrible things that Chris Hopkins
has to say about Winston Peter's, but then you're not
willing to go to the next step and say that
you won't work with them, it kind of makes what
you're saying about them meaningless because you're saying, I believe

(10:32):
all this, but I might work with them.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I probably don't think I will, yeah, but but I might.
Then everything else from then on that you say to
slag this guy off as kind of meaningless, because the
thing you can do is say we won't work with them,
I agree, and then you have a strong moral stance.
But if you're not, if you're wanting to say these
things but not followed up with that stance, then you

(10:56):
know you're looking like you just want to get into
power no matter what.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yep, you've got to put it on the line. That's
called integrity. Dallas, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 11 (11:04):
Yeah, good guys.

Speaker 12 (11:06):
Yeah, I think that's a good point, Matt, that politicians
generally should play the ball and not the man because then,
as you say, they get caught out. So, but it's different.
MP is different. Right up to the election, it's you're
trying to establish your own party, aren't you, against all
the others? And then after the election the whole thing

(11:28):
changes and then suddenly you have to find mates that
you could form a coinituence. So yeah, that's the trouble
with the MP. It's sort of schizophrenic by that. Yeah,
I think that when he though when he had Peter
Dunne are the most successful MP politicians. They've understood MP

(11:49):
how it works from the start and they managed to
exploit it for their own ends in a really quite
incredible way. You'd have to say that win he's the
best I've never voted for him, but he's the best
politician in the last MP year of the forty years
of whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
You know what, he's managed to become Depity Prime minister
three times. That's quite a president.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Are very impressive. Yeah, and so on his overall strategy,
he's wildly no doubt about that. And as you say,
he's been an incredibly successful politician. This strategy of ruling
out Chris Hipkins. Where do you sit on that one?

Speaker 8 (12:22):
Dallas?

Speaker 12 (12:24):
It's interesting, isn't it. He's gone early with that a strategy,
and you'd have to say he's always been pretty on
the ball when it comes to strategizing, So you know,
I wouldn't really criticize him because he's usually right, isn't
he strategy?

Speaker 3 (12:41):
I mean from my point of view, Dallas, and keen
to get your view on this. But the Labor and
Chris Hipkins they are ran it looks like a very
tricky position. I know we're eighteen months away from the election,
but their mates at the moment are not particularly looking
like mates. Whereas you may argue against this, but the
coalition as it stands has worked out better than many

(13:03):
thought it would.

Speaker 12 (13:05):
It certainly happens that I was one of them. I
thought coalition with Buckle and crashed. But it's to their
credit although I won't votes of him, so held it,
you know, to his credit lacks and filled that team together.
And you know, as you say, Ship, he's got a
lot of problems on the left, you know. And I

(13:27):
think for the message for the Greens in Tipoi Maurray,
do they want just to be a pressure group in
the next election or do they want to actually be
in power? They've got usselves that, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
So Dallas. When St Peter's has been in Parliament and
an out of pilate since nineteen seventy eight, he's obviously
been a part of this coalition. How do you rate
this time round out of all the iterations of Winston
Peter's how do you see him now and going into
the future.

Speaker 12 (13:54):
Well, he's been a good what can we say foreign minister?
We will agree on that, yep. But then he brings
out the worst and the best of MMP Like he's
you know, as I said, he's a mark, a strategist
and he knows how to play the game of m MP.
But also he's like the worst of it just the

(14:15):
way he I don't know, just the way he acts
towards others, just that I just don't like it. And
you know, that's the worst of MP And I think
if you had a vote, should we go back to FSP,
there might be a move to go back to FFP.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
What do you think, oh, first past the post. Absolutely,
I much preferred first past the post. And I know
people were furious about it because it meant that, you know,
it was open to manipulation to a certain extent, and
you could have parties losing the popular vote but still
being in power. But in the end, what we've got
with MMP is everything is decided by the minority and

(14:53):
all we ever do is talk about the absolute extremes
all the time. And you know, there's an argument that
the two parties that are most similar to each other
are Labor and National and they will never form a
coalition together. So you have these parties that aren't too
different from each other then reaching out to the left
and reaching out to the right to put together coalitions.

(15:14):
I don't know. I don't think the system has worked.
I think it's made things pretty bizarre. It's work definitely,
as you say, Dallas It's worked fantastically for Winston Peters,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
But yeah, Dallas, I agree. I mean the very fact
that we're talking about Winston Peters now that he's ruling
out Labor, clearly he's a big player ahead of the
election and we're eighteen months away, but we all know
it that you know, as it stands at the moment,
it's highly likely that he may be calling the shots again.
Where the Chris Hipkins is leader, then clearly he's going
to go with the right. But if Labor ditches Chris Hipkins,

(15:46):
then he may be in that king maker position again.
And I am sick of it. I am tired of
And this isn't having to go at New Zealand first,
this is just the MMP system where it is a
party that last election I believe, got about seven percent
of the vote gets to decide who's going to be government.

Speaker 12 (16:05):
Yeah, and as you say, well, the thing is he's
no longer going to be Deputy Prime Minister, right, so
now he's unleashed, you know. Yeah, he doesn't have to
be polite now because now he's no longer DP, so
he's in campaign campaign mood mode.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, hey, thank you, So much for we call Dallas
appreciate it? Yeah, what about that he says something nice
about the coalition even though he wouldn't vote him. You
don't get that and pop politics these days.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
He's a good man, Dallas.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
It's pretty binary the way people look at things now,
exactly oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Love to hear your thoughts about Winston taking a stand
against labor leader Chris Hipkins, the MMP environment. Is it working?
Is it still fit for purpose? Love your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, and what do you think of the current Winston?
Have you forgiven him for past sins or are you
still furious like people were in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
It is twenty five past one.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (17:02):
So strange possibly confusing messages coming from the police over
retail crime. There's a directive to police staff that tells
them they will no longer be investigating shoplifting if it's
less than five hundred bucks. Sunday Kershel, chairperson of the
Ministry of Justices Retail Crime Group. If it's true, this
goes against what you're working towards.

Speaker 14 (17:17):
That's very true. You know, if you thought we are
making news progress and these kind of insteption hinders the
work that we're doing. The best returns for detail crime
is having criminals not they will be caught and fast
consequences for the crimes exactly.

Speaker 13 (17:30):
Well, I just wonder if what has been articulated is
what they do anyway, And it just happens to have
leaked out back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking
Breakfast with a Vida News talk z B.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Very good afternoon to you, twenty seven past one, and
we're talking about Winston Peters. In an interview with The Herald,
he ruled out ever working with Labor leader Chris Hipkins,
not Labor the party, just Chris Hipkins. But we're also
talking about the MMP environment as well. So can you
get your thoughts on our one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm just reading this quote here that from Winston Peters
about big city media commentators in two thousand and two.
Right yep, smart alec arrogant, key sheeting, shardonay, drinking, pinky
finger pointing, snobbery, fart blossoms. Is that what he said
in two thousand and two?

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well done, Winston oh give them that.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I mean alec arrogant keysh eating shardonay, drinking, pinky finger pointing, snobbery,
fart blossoms.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Was that off the cuff? Yeah, well done.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
It could be describing you, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well that's a ell of an insult. I'll take that one.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Tiny. You're in favor of MMP even around all this
sort of gray area and people not willing to rule
others out and such, Well.

Speaker 15 (18:37):
I certainly am. I mean the fact that they're potentially
misusing MMP, that's got nothing to do with it as
a system. I mean we've got three alternatives, first past
the post, single transferable or mixed member. Now the single transferable,
what happens is you get everybody's worst choice. Yeah, so

(19:00):
that's junk first past the post. While I remember Sir
Robert Muldoon gaining parliament with thirty three percent of the vote,
so sixty seven percent of New Zielders didn't want him
and his.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Party having But what percentage of people that actually voted
did he get?

Speaker 8 (19:18):
Though?

Speaker 15 (19:19):
Well, I mean it was less man. You think I've
got the Kray computer in my head?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Was that his last look? I'll look it up, Tony.
Just while we're having a chat. Was that is last
his last term as prime minister?

Speaker 15 (19:33):
It was his last was one pennuntimate to that?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, because but you know.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
In a saying, Tony, you can do that with the
current UK election where only twenty two percent of people
voted for the you know, for Kirstarmer's party, but as
a percentage of the people that she vote. But I
get to exactly get what you're saying, Tony, though there
was it was just over and over again. We were
getting a situation where parties were coming in without winning
the popular votes. So in first past the post they
were getting less votes than the opposition.

Speaker 15 (20:02):
Exactly, but so that the parties who do gain the
major votes. So in this case we're talking about Labor
and National They've got the two highest scores, didn't they
They need to grow Hang on, let's rephrase that they
need to grow a pair, because when a minor party
comes and says I'll only work with you if you X,

(20:23):
then they need to say, sorry, mate, go with the
other guy and call the bluff. I guarantee that they'll
come back to the table with something else. It's a negotiation,
it's not a given.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, and speaking speaking of that though, Tony, because you're
saying they need to grow spine and actually believe in something.
But does it make you think less of a politician
like cross Upkins today when he leaves the door open
a little bit, is willing to throw a lot of
abuse towards in this case, Winston Peters, but not willing
to completely shut the door on doing business with them.

(21:00):
Does that Does that make you think less of them?

Speaker 15 (21:05):
I just think it was politic inside and really rape
that as a real perspective. Yeah, I think he's just politics.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
So but but if you're willing to say that stuff
about him, that that Chris Akins is said about Winston
Peters and New Zealand first, then you think if you're
willing to say that stuff, then it shouldn't be too
hard just to go now we won't work with them.

Speaker 15 (21:29):
Well, never say never.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
But that's what he's done, isn't it. I mean, look, Tony,
we can all understand his political strategy and what he
did in that interview. Yeah, but this is a question
about integrity, right that if he took a stance as
you say, matt Or and you said, Tony that he
grows up here and puts it on the line and says,
don't care not going to work with Winston. It's no butts,
We're not going to be part of any coalition with them.

(21:54):
It's a hell of a risk.

Speaker 15 (21:56):
But well, for me, I would have said, unless his
views align with ours and we can all work together
going forwards, then I wouldn't work with him.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
So when St. Peter's can ple, he changed his opinions on.

Speaker 15 (22:09):
Everything, So I don't want Winston to change it.

Speaker 10 (22:12):
All.

Speaker 15 (22:12):
Man, I've known the guy since he won Thenewer election
on a recount. I think it was eight votes, so
you know, I mean, i've known what's that seventy seven
seventy that hell of a long time. Look, there's one
more point about MMP I really want to make before
you tell me to sling the hook, and that is

(22:34):
that if you don't have MMP, all those minor party
supporters become disenfranchised. So, okay, you know they do have
some pretty weird views. There's no way I would vote
for a couple of them, and I'm not going to
mention them because well I'm not into slagging off per se.

(22:55):
But you know they're disenfranchised. Their view doesn't count now
think about a household. Everybody's views are different. You don't
discount the guy who's got the really mine of you.
You try and incorporate it into the whole thing so
that you're truly representative.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Do you think do you think that would used to
happen though a little bit, Tony in first past the post,
because you would have elements of the party. Members of
the Green Party would just be members of the Labor Party,
a member of the act Party would just be members
of the National Party, pressuring within the party.

Speaker 15 (23:28):
Well, I mean you could say that that's certainly where
they sourced their membership, the Greens and whatnot from a
New Zealand first, from the major parties. That's where they
got their people from, isn't it to become members and
MPs and whatnot?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, Tony, really good to chat. You've been reasonable, which
is good in these sort of discussions. Thank you very much. O.
Wait hundred eighty ten eighty, love to hear your thoughts
about Winston Peters's strategy of ruling out Chris Hipkins. Is
MMP still fit for purpose in this environment?

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah? And eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Whilst it
might be good politics to not rule people out. Do
you just look at someone and a politician who isn't
willing to do it whilst they're willing to throw a
lot of mud at the other, at a politician but
not willing to rule them out when it comes to
a deal. Does that just make you feel a little
bit disgusted.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
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Speaker 3 (25:32):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we're talking about
Winston Peters. In an interview with The Herald, he has
ruled out ever working with Labor leader Chris Hipkins. To
chat more about this, we are joined by our political
editor Jason Walls. Get a mates, good afternoon, my friends.

Speaker 7 (25:48):
How were you doing?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Fantastic? Thank you? What do you think voters think of
leaders who will slag off other parties and other politicians
but not rule out working with them? Jason?

Speaker 7 (25:58):
Easy one to start off, Jason, Oh yeah, throw me
the curveballs early on. So what was it again?

Speaker 16 (26:02):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (26:03):
I had hard time tracking that.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, let's see if I can remember what I said.
It was something like, what do voters think in your
experience of leaders? How to voters react to leaders who
will slag off members of other parties and other parties
but will not rule out working with them. Chippy has
said some pretty horrific things about Winston Peters. But then
he'll leave the little door open just a little bit,

(26:26):
just on the off chance that he'll need him come
post election.

Speaker 7 (26:31):
I think I know what so Chippy said this this
morning when he was asked about this story.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
I think, frankly, New Zealanders have had enough of being
held to ransom by Winston Peters and David Seymour. I
think they want to get back to the idea that
the government's there to serve people rather than serve themselves,
which you know Winston Peters, frankly is a master ac.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, okay, yeah, so rule them out.

Speaker 17 (26:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (26:48):
The thing is, you can't hear something like that and
think that Chippy is going to go cap in hand
to Winston Peters after the election. It just doesn't make
any sense. But then again, you think about what Winston
Peters said about the National Party when he was in
when he was he was deputy Prime Minister under Justinto Odurn.
I mean, I remember quite quite firmly in my mind

(27:10):
this instance where we were on the black and white tiles,
which is where we get ministers before they go into
the House, and just Sinda Ardern was doing a press conference.
Winston Peters came walking on behind her, and usually he
just darts straight through and hopes not to get or
pretends to hope he's not going to be caught by reporters.
But he waited and he waited, and he waited until
just sinder our Durn finished up, and then he looked
at us, got his phone out started This is when

(27:33):
Simon Bridges was the leader of the NATS, started playing
the song on his phone called Burning Bridges and just
walked through with the entire press grum, playing this very loudly.
And this is we were like, he will never work
with National? How could he work with National after pulling
a stunt like this? But Winston, and I hate saying this,
but it's the old cliche. Winston is Winston, and of
course look what happened now, and him and Chris Luxon

(27:54):
are just sort of two peas in a political pot
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
So you're saying that Chris Hepkins is running the same
playbook as Winston Peters.

Speaker 7 (28:03):
I think it's a lot different. Only Winston can get
away with what Winston does. And he holds a grudge
like no one else. And I know me saying he
holds a grudge like no one else on air means
he's going to hold a grudge against me, which I'm
very excited about for the next couple of months. But
it's he he'll remember these sorts of things and he'll
remember these comments. So it seems extremely unlikely. But it's

(28:23):
never smart to really rule any political party out because
you do need a little bit of lever.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, but I guess they're smart and what's morally right.
And so if you believe in something, and if Chris
Hopkins absolutely believes the things that he sees about Winston Peters,
then it shouldn't even take him a second to follow
that up by saying I wouldn't work with them. Otherwise
you call into question what he's saying, whether he actually
believes in what he's saying.

Speaker 7 (28:46):
Oh exactly, And the sort of things that he said
about working with Winston Peters when they're in government. I mean,
it's the sort of things that you can't take back.
And this isn't just the sort of things that Hipkins
has said to me over a quiet beer. He said
these things on Morning Report, he said them on breakfast radios,
so it's not like he's been quiet.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
But just leave the door open a little bit just
in case it.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Works with slightly a jar, just in case things get better,
you know, But at all Captain's cool situation, isn't it, Jason?
What I hear when I heard that interview with Ryan
Bridge this morning with Chippy is Chippy has bug real
leverage by leaving the door open or needing to he
knows he doesn't have much leverage eighteen months out from
an eletion.

Speaker 7 (29:23):
Well, that's exactly that's exactly right. I mean, at this point,
if he doesn't work with Winston Peters, he needs to
see the Greens anti Party Marty and his own Labor
Party have a resurgence to the point where they're just
consistently polling above that threshold. And I just don't it's
hard to imagine that happening between now and the election.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Because I'll tell you what.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
I was listening to David Farrier who was doing a
segment on Heather Duplusy Allen, and he was talking about
this data that he has about the drag of other
leaders that they have on the main parties, and he
found that if you're a National Party supporter, you tend
to like Winston Peters, you tend to like David Seymour.
So you're not too worried if they're in a coalition
together because generally you understand the ethos that all three

(30:07):
leaders have. You don't have to love them, but you
don't hate them. When that same information was done and
that same polling was done about the Labor Party when
it came to the Greens anti party Marty, they found
that Labor voters did not Lake Chloe Swarbrick and Marta
Davidson and did not Lake. Demie Mardi were packer and
at w y waitity. And so that's really going to

(30:27):
come and bite the sort of the soft middle when
it comes to the election, because they're going to be
looking at those support partners on the left and thinking
not for me, thank you very much. I'm going to
stick somewhere safer, which is the center.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Right, Jason, we're loving this. Can you stick with us
for another couple of minutes. We've just got to play
some messages, but we've got a few more questions for you.
Is that all right now?

Speaker 7 (30:46):
I think I can do that for you boys.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I want to ask you what it's like to be
in that media pack facing in full full fly.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
He is fascinated by Jason, just stay there. We'll be
back with our political edit to Jason Walls very shortly
seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
A fresh take on took Back. It's Matt Heathen Tyner
Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty eight
used talks envy.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Beautiful.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
You gotta say it's interesting. People were very harsh on
sign Bridges when he was in power. Now I think
nice people love him.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah, it's kind of nice bear hindsight.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, when it all goes away.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Now we are cause joined by our political editor, Jason Wolves.
Thanks for hanging with us, Jason, of course.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Two quick questions. Firstly, in your opinion, how has Winceton
done his deputy Prime minister with less than a week
to go? Oh yeah, no, i'd for the third time. Yeah,
I couldn't rate him badly.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
I mean he's he's one of the best, if not
the best foreign ministers that New Zealand has ever had,
and he's done an exceptional job in that capacity. While
he's been in the job. He's been to I think
I saw forty three different countries, have forty.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Four countries, and he's spent one hundred and fifty two
days overseas traveling.

Speaker 7 (32:00):
And that's what you wants as a foreign minister. At
the same time, he's New Zealand First leader, and New
Zealand First has kept its ratings up in the polls.
Usually we see New Zealand First slump when they're in
these positions of power. And again this comes back to
for me the leadership of Chris Luxon saying that Winston,
you go ahead and be Winston while you're Deputy Prime Minister,
because he's thinking about the next election, saying well, we

(32:22):
need New Zealand First, and for New Zealand First to
get back into power, you need to continue to be
New Zealand First while you're in office. So I rate
him relatively highly. I think that where he does have faults,
as in the House. It's hard watching him in the
House because he just continues to sort of flaunt the
rules and not really listen to the speaker when it
comes to the things that he's doing wrong, and he

(32:43):
just makes these ridiculous little supplementary questions every once in
a while that make absolutely no sense. But you can't
really fault the fact that he's juggling three pretty major things.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
And as Deputy Prime Ministery doesn't lay off as a
text on the media. And you've been in the front
line a lot of the media pack, How is it
to face up against Winston Peterson in full flight?

Speaker 7 (33:04):
Jason Wilf, Well, it's hard when you're a junior reporter
because he doesn't hold back, and what he does is
he knows that if you're not very confident, he'll exploit that.
There are some politicians where they know that if it's
a newer reporter and they're just asking questions on behalf
of a colleague, they'll help you out a little bit
and they know the gist of what you're asking. With Winston,
if you're not precise to the letter and the detail

(33:25):
of what it is you're asking, he'll rip you out
in front of absolutely everybody there. So when you get
a little bit of confidence, you give it back to
him a little bit and he likes it. He does
like a little bit of back and forth. There's a
reporter in the Herald office, actually, Jamie Ensawer, who seems
to have made it a mission to get under Winston's
skin in these sort of interviews. He's a very good reporter,
but you get the best grabs out of him when

(33:45):
you actually sort of dig in a little bit and
he hits you with a oh the words matter, and
then you go back and quote something that he said
in back in nineteen Ditaly something and then he just
kind of laughs at you. So he's a lot of fun.
I mean, I don't know if it's the best for
sort of media trust in New Zealand to have somebody
that's consistently saying how bad we are at our jobs, but.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
You know, I have fun. Bring it on, Winston. Yeah, Jason,
thank you very much as always, mate, and great to
catch up.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Thanks guys, it's been a pleasure. That is our political editor,
Jason Wolves. We are going to take more of your
calls on this one oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Pete's been hanging on the line for a wee bit though,
so we're going to get to Pete very shortly. It
is eleven to two.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons News talksb.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
News Talks there be. We are talking about Winston Peter's
ruling out Chris Hopkins ever doing a coalition deal with
the Labor leader. So keen to get your views on O.
Eight hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Well the show, Pete. Sorry for keeping you waiting so long.

Speaker 18 (34:49):
Your thoughts again, gentlemen, no one, he's not stupid like
you're going to be worst comes to the worst.

Speaker 9 (34:56):
Say Labor gude on again.

Speaker 18 (34:57):
But he's not a leader like you're only going to
look at him when they came to the COVID never
ordered the vaccines early enough and he's met. He's the
Prime Minister, the Minister of education. He didn't do any
good at that, so he's.

Speaker 19 (35:10):
No good in his role.

Speaker 18 (35:11):
He only got to hand me down.

Speaker 20 (35:12):
Because what happened with the Labor Party.

Speaker 18 (35:15):
And I don't blame him, and he wouldn't trust him
as far.

Speaker 20 (35:17):
As he'd be like a rabbit. He'd he'd be up
to drain pipe just like that when he's when he's
made his choice, and good on him for doing it
at least now you know what where when he's aiming for.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
He won't vote for.

Speaker 9 (35:29):
He won't go with Labor if.

Speaker 18 (35:32):
If he's a leader, and I can't blame him. He's
not a good leader's.

Speaker 8 (35:35):
In a story.

Speaker 18 (35:35):
I don't know why they had the same ditch him
as a leader as Labor and what do you better?
He's just a hanger on Bara's own and they's no
one to replace him.

Speaker 9 (35:42):
I sort of.

Speaker 18 (35:43):
Stuck in a in a square hole and so shouldn't
say like a square hole. Really, he's not going nowhere,
you know, he's when he's clever, he's got he's you
got to in two thousand and seven and he did well,
he held his ship there. They all go blame o
Winnie what happened with two thousand and twenty?

Speaker 20 (36:02):
It's not his fault.

Speaker 18 (36:03):
Got English bug of that up. Instead of going on
the ring with Winny and fighting him, Will English and
nationals putty Will still got in. But when is it?
You're not going to go and into a boxing when
you already got a bleeding nose where you get in there?

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah? Oh look, I mean there'll be a lot of
people that would disagree with that, Pete. But that's m
MP right. That's the way that it rolled. And and
Winston and Labor had the numbers, even though Bill English
and National had forty four percent of the vote. Unfortunately
they couldn't make up the government. And that's how it rolls, right,
that's the system we've got.

Speaker 18 (36:33):
Yeah it is, But I still reckon that I saw.
I'm still for MMP and I'm hoping that it stays
is three years. A lot of people want to go
the four years, No, thanks very much. We imagine Labor
being in for another year that countries and enough troubles
enough and then enough deep trouble them and they are in.
So stick to the three year term for us. I'm
as soon as well.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah. Well, it's interesting though because he Winston's has says
like I won't work with Chippy and he might be
looking to go, well, Chippy's not going to be there,
so it's it's very easy for me to say that.
And you know he has some some problems personally with
Chippy and with but but he whilst Chippy's well, keep
calling Chippy. Well, Chris Hopkins is not rolling out Winston Peters.

(37:15):
Winston Peter's kind of is not rolling out Labor, is
he he's rolling out. He's willing rolling out Chris Hopkins.

Speaker 18 (37:22):
I reckon, Chrisipkins. I reckon you'll get well, I reckon
you'll get rolled over before the election. They won't get
any of these like I've got short memories, but I
don't reckon he's a leader. So Labor, if they really
want to do get up there again, they got to
ditch them and get another Prime minister as a leader.
As for a Labors.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Simple yeah or thanks so much for you call Pete
and thanks for wedding on the line.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Cheers Pete. Well, we want to get your thoughts on that.
I mean, that is arguably a part of the strategy.
Winston Peters is employed here and that's my thoughts. But
when he sees that he will never work with Chris
Hopkins but leaves the door open for Labor, does that
mean that Chris Hopkins days a numbered.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, well, I mean, why would you want to roll
Chris Hopkins if that's the course. So you're saying that
Winston Peters is saying that because you know what, does
he think that within Labor there were people saying without
with Chriss Hipkins here, then we can't possibly do a
deal with New Zealand first And it's looking pretty dicey
if we are as far as getting re elected, If

(38:22):
our only coalition partners are the Greens and Patti Marti
our only possibilities, So what's what's the strategy? Bet on
Winston Peter's there is this someone else that he that
he likes in Labor, that he'd be willing to work with.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, well who else? And Labor is there to take
on the leadership role of Chris Hipkins does get rolled
before the election or is this just utu from Winston Peters.
He made no bones about it that he was pretty
aggrieved by his treatment by the Labor Party after that
coalition agreement. So can you get your views on O
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and the text number

(38:54):
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(39:15):
very good afternoon to you. We'll see afternoons.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams
Afternoons news Talks, it'd be.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Good afternoon to you having a great discussion about Winston Peters.
In an interview with The Herald this morning, he has
categorically and his words, ruled out ever working with Chris
Hipkins as long as he is Labor party leader.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, that's right. Peter's accused Labor of running a borrow
and hope for school strategy. He says that they've abandoned
the fundamental roots as a party and that they're in
deep trouble and he doesn't work with with Chris Hipkins.
Got I nearly called him chippy again, Ben, thanks for
your text, he was saying, constantly calling him chippy? When
did that happen? Chris Hipkins? Chris Hipkins? Okay, so can

(40:23):
you what? Can there be a punishment every time I
call them chippy?

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah? You know, just a nice tasering.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah you don't have a taser though, Taylor, you need
to buy a taser.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
I do need to buy a taser or a kettle prod.
I think you can get those into the country Gide.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, I'm going to really concentrate on it. But Bear
was quite Chriss Hipkins It's funny. These nicknames get into
your head and you know you're talking. It's chip chepy.
It noise the hell out of me. Chris Hipkins.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, leader of the opposition, And I think Ben was
a builder, right, so he took umbrage that he is
actually a chippy by trade and get sick of hearing
Chris Hipkins be called chippy. Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. So we also raise the well, ask the
question because it's clear, and what Wouldston Peters was saying
that he is still leaving the door open to Labor

(41:05):
as a party, just not Chris Hipkins. So and he's
always been wily, He's very very successful being a politician.
So if he is angling for Chris Hipkins to be
rolled as Labor leader, who could step up in that instance?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah? Hey, boys, wouldn't it be great if they make
Willie Jackson as leader? That would guarantee that Labour's never
gets close to being in power for many many years?
Is this text? This text has hered the pond's pretty
shallow with Labor. Beyond Chris Hipkins, you've got Ginny and McNulty.
That's effectively the opposition right now. Sad state of affairs
for them. That's from Steve. Perhaps it should be three

(41:41):
years whenever Labor win and four years whenever National win.
Not enough, that's an election.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Tough one to get past the lawmakers.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
That was a suggestion for MMP. I don't know if
that would pass the muster on a referendum. It's luxon
who needs rolling walked over completely by Act and their
ridiculous policies which had a tiny number of voters. He's
a puppet leader, always missing an action. That's from Lynn.
So a lot of opinions coming in on both sides
of this issue.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
And we're keen on your Z. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call Ellen. You've been
hanging on for some time. Thanks for hanging on. What's
your take?

Speaker 21 (42:16):
That's fine. Just backtracking to our first caller that mentioned
the downfalls of first pass the post, how muldoon came
in with a minority. You want to also think back
to when your cinder came in. She came in with minority,
who is only Peter's that got her in there because

(42:37):
National had the majority. So it works even under MMP,
minorities guests and can take power. So don't roll it out.
And Australia's going through a threshold now after their election.
They're still having their transferable votes counted. There's eight seats
that are in the wind that could be toppled. So

(43:01):
it's not at all but be it all system.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Either So just on the just on the showing the
hand too soon? Do you think, I mean, generally, do
you think it is too soon? The very fact that
we're talking about this, we most of us could see
that Winston Peters is likely going to be a big
player in the election an eighteen months time. So and
it's not, as he says many times his first rodeo

(43:28):
as he campaigns on So genuinely, do you think he
hasn't thought this through?

Speaker 21 (43:34):
Oh, he were given it some thought. But my first
thought is he's possibly done it too soon because we
know it would be a no show with Hipkins at
the lead. But if you look within the labor camp,
who else is there? And a whole lot of dead
deep bunch has been no good. They're all failed. They

(43:57):
had their run and they all showed their hand. They failed. McNulty,
he's got history. Who was holding back on I don't
have any I don't have to pay anything, declare it
and his head was forced. So there's no talent in there.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
So Allan, when you think, just just go back a step.
So there's there's politics and there's integrity, right, and so
maybe it's good politics who you rule in and who
you rull out and when you don't. But if in
the case of Chris Hipkins, you're willing to say quite
a lot of quite intense things about Winston Peters, you

(44:39):
know he said, you know, as in that audio I
paid for from the interview on HEROLD now this morning.
If you're willing to say that that stuff, but you're
not willing to categorically rule out working with them, that
might be good politics. But there's an integrity problem, there
isn't there. Allan?

Speaker 21 (44:56):
Well, absolutely, If you want to look at Hipkins, all
his portfolios that he held under the last government and
then he even rose to being prime minister for a while,
he failed on every single portfolio. He achieved nothing, and
he failed being prime minister too because he lost the election.

(45:16):
So what better residentials could you get?

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Do you think it all for him?

Speaker 21 (45:22):
For being a leader?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, how successful do you think Winston Peters has been?
I mean his career goes it's a huge question. It
goes back to nineteen seventy eight. But how successful do
you think he has been in getting what he wants well?

Speaker 21 (45:36):
Right now for this term of the government so far,
I would say the country is holding them in quite
high esteem for his foreign affairs management and the way
he has got around. He has really lifted New Zealand
up and he's done the work and doing the job.

Speaker 8 (45:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Well he was also when he was even though it
sort of collapsed, But in the Helen Clark government he
got a lot of praise for his work as in
foreign as a foreigner mister back then as well. But yes,
what I thought was quite impressive reading today one hundred
and fifty two days that he's been away working overseas countries,

(46:20):
that's pretty phenomenal. One hundred and seventy four engagements with counterparts.

Speaker 11 (46:23):
That's right, it's.

Speaker 10 (46:27):
It is.

Speaker 21 (46:27):
And you look at the prime minister, I think he
deserves a bit of a break. He has been out
and about and working just as hard and still being
Prime Minister of the country, so he has been right
there and behind them and working equally just as hard.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
I think when you give Winston Peter's a job that
he wants. He's very very good. If he doesn't have
a job he wants, then he can be a massive
thorn on the side of anyone who comes against him.

Speaker 21 (46:54):
Yes, he can be, and he can check people. So
you've got to give him his doubt. And I think
the country knows him well enough to know what sort
of fish he is. And he might be about recouter
in the pool, you can add a good barter.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Nice here's a barracouter out of the pool as well.
It's quite amazing how many stand ups you see from
Winston Peter's in Parliament and how much he looms over
the political landscape back home when he's been away for
one hundred and fifty two days of his time in office.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah, you cannot say he's not a hard work and
that is pretty incredible. I wait, underd An eighty T
and eighty Caen you get your thoughts on Winston Peter's
ruling out Chris Hipkins. If he has ruled out Chris
Hipkins but not the Labor Party, is there a potential
for Hipkins to be rolled in another MP to take
that leadership spot in the Labor Party.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Hi, guys, honestly, Chris Hipkins is just a ceaseless winging man.
Good on Winston calling it, and for a very good reason.
The Coalition is far a far superior team of extremely
astute people with very intelligent minds, and they are by
a long shot good at the helm. Faced with the
most complicated mess to sort out, at least New Zealand
is governed by exceptional brains. Winston is a polished, very

(48:06):
well educated man and unafraid to speak out. I like
that about him. That's from Julie. So, boy, that's a
that's some high praise there from Julie. Do you agree?
Do you disagree? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I've got
a question for you as well.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
So in nineteen sixty six, when St. Peter's was a teacher,
at what level did win he teach primary, intermediate or secondary?

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Great question? If you think you know. Nine two ninety
two is the text number. It is a quarter past too.

Speaker 22 (48:32):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
A very good afternoon. We are talking about Winston Peter's
ruling out Chris Hopkins. He ever working with Chris Hopkins
in any sort of coalition. He said that to the
NZ heralds Thomas Coglin. And so the question we've asked
you is is that a wise strategy? How do you
feel about Winston eighteen months out from the election.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
And I asked the question to what level was Winston
Peter's a teacher? He took He had two intermediate school
in Auckland before heading to Australia to become a blast
furnace worker in Newcastle. But he did a couple of
years as an intermediate teacher. Mist Peter's in the sixties.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Imagine whom is your teacher?

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Far out? I meagine he was dumb. He would he'd
hit back pretty hard at in he cheeking the teacher.
That's for sure, we would This Texas says Winston, in
my opinion, is a deluded, out of touch, self aggrandizing,
obstructive windbag. He's assuming the Labour Party would want to
align themselves with New Zealand first. Anyway, that's even if
he actually gets a seat in Parliament at the next election.

(49:41):
Winston is drinking his own callout aid he loves to
be the center of attention. I couldn't care less what
he thinks. Try to talk about something that really matters,
not that boring old, stinky, old, smelly old fart.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Wow, say what you really think.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
And this one guy, but ag just at the end
there he just I think his age is irrelevant.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
This one says Giday. Guys if ifes, I think we
all know what that means. Here we are in twenty
twenty five and we're still talking about winebox holding way
over the next election. I swear the old Relic will
have himself installed as electoral software and will haunt future
elections as a cyberbal powered by one hundred proof alcohol
and puffing. Rothman's through his events.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
At that time when he got back in and his
first words back in parliament was just boo. Yeah, that
was pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
That was very funny.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
You've got to say, Mike, welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (50:33):
Yeah, Hi to the guys. I studied a stage one
university paper which was New Zealand Politics, like about thirty
years ago, so I've got a sort of a minor
grasp on how politics works, and looking at Winston Peters
and minor parties and m MP and first pass of

(50:57):
posts as well with MMP, it just it just doesn't
sit right that a minor party can hold the balance
of power. And then if you back to first part
of post FFP, I don't see the use and why
you have only got two choices of the two major

(51:18):
political parties Labor on the left and National on the right.
So my thinking is that the problem is party politics itself.
So I was thinking just before when this discussion came
up on the radio, that what's wrong with the political
system changing to purely seats in New Zealand and independence?

Speaker 5 (51:42):
So you.

Speaker 8 (51:44):
Have representatives in all the regions and cities and et cetera,
And the whole of the beehive is filled with independence,
and every single law and piece of legislation that's voted
on is exactly like a conscience vote. So I mean,
it's not the policies that have put forward. Are they

(52:04):
not put forward by bureaucrats and leaders of government departments anyway?

Speaker 2 (52:11):
So I mean, yeah, that's an interesting that's a really
interesting idea, Mike. I wonder how it would work. So
what you're saying is essentially you have to be independent.
So in every electorate you have to run independently. It
can't be organized by a party because one of the
things I've noticed with the MMP is with first past
the Post you might hear what the MP from Dneedan
South had to think, and there might be a little

(52:33):
bit of argibargi and people looking after their particular electerate
and the interests of their constituents. But now with MMP,
you just hear one opinion and it makes the party.
Each party has just one opinion. So it's an interesting
idea that everyone to be independent. Everything would be done
like original Greek democracy where everything was voted on. Yeah,
closer to.

Speaker 8 (52:53):
That, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds good.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Closer to that, I mean, be interesting. I'm trying to
get my head around how that would work.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Well, did the Greeks give it up?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Well, well, the Greeks was actually everyone got and that
turned up and well, I mean the Greeks gave it up.
They got run over by the romansh.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
They would do it, Yeah, yeah, that'd do it.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Of an interesting one. What would you call that system, Mike?
A region first, I know, compulsory independence. Yeah, yeah, I
think if you call Mike interesting thought.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Yeah, I don't, I don't not mind that.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, democracy is pretty weird. But do you understand what
I'm saying. You kind of just everyone has to toe
the party line now, Yeah, even to the point where
you have you know, waker jumping. If people don't the
party lines, you end up getting you know, four opinions
in apartment parliament. Yeah, as supposed what.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
I've all got to grovel to the leader. Yeah, you're
being on one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is twenty three past two. The
text number if you want to send a text, nine
to nine two back in a mow.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call on us talk ZB, very.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
The suggestion that we just have electorate seats, We've kindly
got seventy two electric seats, electorate seats and everyone's independent
as a system as opposed to MMP or first parts
of the post, call up Michael as delusional. Nothing would
get done. What Michaels suggesting will not work. Independent seats
then who picks the leader? The party would be a
bloody shambles, free for all, Hi guys, that is the

(54:34):
system New Zealand originally had. But then a few people
supported one guy for prime minister, I few supported another guy,
and party politics was born. Having all dependance sounds great,
but in reality people would be trading favors and it
would lead to widespread production corruption. It'd be hard to
stop people colluding. You'd have to have someone policing that.
People weren't forming parties even secretly.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah. See, every good idea, there's always something if you
think of it deeper.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
You kick down the door and then five or six
electorate MPs that have got in, we're having a meeting.
You go, are you a party? This is a party
in here.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
This is a voting block.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
This is a voting block. Ye, this isn't allowed. Yeah,
I can see there might be a few problems there
and getting anything done.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Claire, how are you?

Speaker 22 (55:16):
I'm good.

Speaker 8 (55:16):
I'm good.

Speaker 22 (55:17):
Just talking about that independence of person independence. It's almost
like the Swiss system. In Switzerland, every law goes to
public referendum really so yeah, and almost nothing gets done,
like like you know, it takes for anything to get
past through because you had to get a majority from

(55:38):
the referender. So yeah, I can imagine that it would
grind government to a hold.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yeah, because there's a lot there's a lot of consensus
within a party before a bill is even put forward,
so there's a lot of pushing and shoving and getting
people getting their way across the views before it happens.
So for that to happen all out in the open
with just seventy two votes, boy, I can imagine that.

Speaker 23 (56:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Whatever, we're calling that system the compulsory independence system, that
nothing systems.

Speaker 22 (56:11):
Yeah, the MMP system I think isn't actually that bad.
The issue with it is that in New Zealand when
we introduced it, we left out a key line in
the legislation, which was that the party with the majority
vote has the mandate to first form government.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah, like in Germany.

Speaker 22 (56:28):
Had that Yeah, whereas that line had been included, we
wouldn't be beholden to the tail wagging the dogs.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
So can we are can can you explain the advantage
in that to us clear?

Speaker 22 (56:40):
So, say, going back to say the Disinder Adourn election
where Winston Peters went with Disinder and it ended up
with that three coalition. Whereas the National Party had forty
four percent of the vote, So technically the National Party
had the majority, you would say, so under adding that
line into our legislation would mean that that forty four

(57:02):
percent party would have the first right to form government,
and only if they were unable to reach a consensus
with the minor parties could the minor parties then join
together to form a government of their own right.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
So that's the first writer, but that that could still collapse.
And if New Zealand first hadn't got what they wanted
to get, then they could have then then gone and
started negotiating with labor to former government, then.

Speaker 22 (57:33):
Yes, but only after they've reported back to the Governor
General that they have been unable to form a government.
And there can be a trigger within that legislation that
says that in that situation you go back to the polls.
So there are ways in the ways of handling it
which would mandate the majority party has more power than

(57:54):
what they currently do under the system, so that if
you've got forty four percent of the vote, you actually
would have more power than say what Bill English had back.

Speaker 16 (58:03):
In the day.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Right, And so why wasn't that intreached in legislation clear.

Speaker 22 (58:09):
To be honest, I don't actually know why we didn't
do that I suspect part of it was lobbying from
the minor parties. There was a lot of holding up
overseas models as being like the gold standard, and then
not long after that there were several countries that had
major issues within the MMP system. And so I think

(58:30):
New Zealand tinkered the way that we do and thought
that we were improving it by removing that particular piece
of war, and then we've ended up in this situation
where we are beholden to the minor parties in a
way that other countries are not who we have the MMP.
So I'm not one hundred per cent sure why we
didn't put that in the legislation, but my sense would

(58:52):
be that we tinkered because we tend to tinker.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
We do like a thinker, We do love a tinker.
Thank you so much for your call. Clear certainly would
be a very different country right now if Winston Peters
had negotiated first with Bill English and formed. Certainly would
be very different. And some people think it would be worse.
Some people think it'd be a lot better. Hey, I've
got a question for you. Which Deputy Prime Minister once

(59:18):
called Winston Peter's the blowfly of New Zealand politics.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Great question. I don't know, but we'll find out very
shortly if you think you know. Nine two ninety two
is the text number. But we ken on your thoughts
on Winston Peter's strategy ruling out Chris Hipkins, Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is MMP fit for purpose?
And if Chris Hipkins gets rolled, who would take his place?
Plenty to discuss it is twenty nine to three.

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Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Thank you very much, Rayllen, And we're talking about Winston
Peter's ruling out Chris Hipkins. Also emmp is it's still
fit for purpose. And if Chris Hipkins does get rolled
by a Labor Party, which Winston Peter's appears hopeful of, well,
actually I'm putting words in his mouth there, but he
said he'd rule out working with Chris Hipkins, but he
hasn't ruled out working with the Labor Party. So can
you get your views on on eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Do we think that Chrisipkins will be the leader going
into the election in eighteen months? I asked the question
before which Deputy Prime Minister called Winston Peters the blowfly
of New Zealand politics. It was Deputy Prime Minister Michael Color.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
He was he was good with a quip old.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Michael Collor the blowfly of New Zealand Politics.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I wonder how when he responded.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yeah, that's a good point. I'm sure he had to
come back.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Yeah, bet he did, Steve mate, thanks for hanging on.

Speaker 24 (01:01:41):
That's no problem.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Now, what's your take about Winston Peter's strategy ruling out
Chris Well.

Speaker 24 (01:01:48):
If you go back around about three years ago, Hopkins
got the leader of the opposition or Labor Party, who
was going to be the natural challenger for.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Him, m m yep, Nash.

Speaker 24 (01:02:04):
Yeah, but Nash has been kicked out of the Labor Party,
so who's going where's he got? He's got no show
of being leader of the Labor Party now, so he
might as well go do um first, which he is
not ruling.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Out Stuart Nash, Yeah, yep. And but how would that
change things for Chris Hopkins as it stands.

Speaker 24 (01:02:26):
Well, Chris Hopkins, Chris Sipkins wouldn't want him to be there,
would he because Chris Hepkins not Nash out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah right, but I mean if there are going ahead
to hear, it'd be pretty vivacious anyway, vivacious, you know,
the go to hard. Is it something about Stuart Nash
particularly that you don't think Chris Hopkins would want to
go up against.

Speaker 24 (01:02:48):
No, Chris Chris Hopkins wouldn't go up against Nash because
Nash would win.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Right, Yeah, well that's what I'm thinking, Steve. That's why hesitated.
Is that Stuart Nash, Ever since he's been kicked out
of the party, he's not been shy of criticizing labor, left,
right and center. He's constantly on with my costk in
having a go and fair enough.

Speaker 24 (01:03:05):
To Yeah that'said right, So why would you stick around
with labor because he's not a labor person anyway, he's
more he's more to the right than what he is
to the left.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Yeah, it's fair. And I don't think Stuart Nash is
ever going back to the Labor Party. Never say never,
I suppose, but yeah, I don't think he's he's a contender.
If it's not Nash, who do you think? Who do
you think could lead the Labor Party? Steve?

Speaker 23 (01:03:28):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:03:29):
What have they got?

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Well, yeah, that's that's the big question McNulty. I mean,
Barbara Edmonds has been talented.

Speaker 24 (01:03:38):
Donkey won't leader because he hasn't got the wet or
the ability. Yeah, they kicked out the man that should
have been there. Yeah, right, which was Nash, but that's
her own fault.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Yeah, well, thank you, you call Steve.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
I mean Stuart Nash. I think arguably he's been better
outside of politics than he was in. Certainly he's not
shy of an opinion when things are happening in the
political realm and he's done. He's been very successful in
the private realm. But yeah, as Steve said, he's I
don't think he's going to go back to the Labor
Party to try and lead it if Chris Hipkins gets rolled.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
This Texas says, yes, the highest polling party should choose
their partner to govern with, not the least polling party.
It means majority of voters get basically no say after
voting of what they actually wanted. MMP is a complete
failure in New Zealand. But it's been very very good
for Winston Peters, or you could say that Winston Peters
has been very good at negotiating within MMP. I mean

(01:04:37):
he's managed to become Deputy Prime minister three three times,
pretty good from the position of a party often you know,
often getting five to six seven percent of the vote.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
If that's not success in politics, I don't know what
is O eight undred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Chris, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (01:04:55):
How you doing Hey, Thanks for the opportunity to say something.
But I don't recall about the last election, but certainly
the election before. I'm well, I think I'm right, and
correct me if I'm wrong that not one member of
the Greens, all one member of New Zealand first was

(01:05:16):
elected to parliament. They purely got in on the list,
and which to me is the most ridiculous thing because
it's only the party that determine, you know, where you
fit on that list. You're putting people into parliament who
have not been voted probably if I remember rightly, is it?

(01:05:38):
Nandor Tenshiel stood in Auckland many years ago and he
got something like one hundred and sixty votes, so that
said what people thought of him. But he became the.

Speaker 24 (01:05:48):
Leader of the Greens for god say.

Speaker 10 (01:05:51):
So, you know we've got a really we've got a
system of one hundred and twenty two parliamentarians of which
probably eighty five to ninety percent, you ninety percent people
wouldn't know who they were what they do.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Yes, well it was, I mean it was a twenty
election that the New Zealand first got no seats. I
think they pulled it two point five percent something like that.
They didn't get over the five percent three shold anyway,
the Greens did get some seats, but outside of cabinet.
I forget the phrasing, but certainly there were no ministers
within cabinet or greening Peace within cabinet. But that, of

(01:06:28):
course was a rare election, wasn't it. Chris where labor
effectively that was almost like first first past the post, true.

Speaker 10 (01:06:36):
But it was one of those elections might have it
was at twenty three or I don't know when it was.
But people in Parliament like, you've got to look back
and say, you know Winston as much as you know,
I think he's doing not a bad job. Quite frankly,
he's never been a fan of of mine, but he
was realistically kicked out a tear wronger. He went up
to Northland and he was voted out of there as well.

(01:06:59):
So but he's there, he is today as being Deputy
Prime Minister.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
And I had the systems mad.

Speaker 10 (01:07:05):
Yeah, I'm convinced it's mad. So I think New Zealand
deserve what they get because ninety percent of people wouldn't
have a bloody clue what they what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
And so looking ahead to and I know we're eighteen
months out, Chris, but do you think this is a
wise strategy for Winston Peters to rule out Chris Hipkins.
Understand that you've got issues with the system that it's run,
but is this going to be a strategy that gets
them back in?

Speaker 10 (01:07:33):
He's getting a bit like Joe Biden, doesn't he sort
of it must be getting past these used by date.
But yes, he's got the quick quips and that sort
of thing. But you know who the hell would want
to work with Chubby? To be fair is what's has
he ever done? What's his background which I'd be fascinated with,
what's he done and given back to New Zealand other

(01:07:55):
than being in politics, And the same with quite a
few of these labor people and probably national that the
other parties as well. I'm not just saying one party, but.

Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
You know what, what's the what's the god.

Speaker 10 (01:08:07):
Given right to stand for parliament other than.

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
The fact that the feel that they want to save
the world or.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Well, yeah, I mean everyone can run for parliament. I
guess we can judge whether they have done enough of
the being successful and passed to get there. I would
say with Winston Peters, he is eighty, but there's different
eighties out there. I think I think you know they're
saying age is just a number. My dad's eighty three
and he's extremely sharp. There's a lot of people in
their eighties that are very sharp, and I think Winston

(01:08:35):
Peters is as sharp as he's ever been.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
He's got a heck of a lot of energy, that's
for sure. Oh eight hundred eighty teen eighty is the
number to call love to hear your thoughts about MMP
and Winston Peter's ruling out Chris Hipkins. It is eighteen
to three.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
It'd be afternoon. It is a quarter to three, and
we're talking about Winston Peter's ruling out Chris Hopkins ever
going into coalition with Chris Hipkins, but hasn't ruled out
the Labor Party. So can you get your views on Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Is that a wise strategy?
Is MMP working the way it should be working. We're
eighteen months out from an election, so can you get
your views.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
So the previous call was asking what has chrisins ever
done that makes him think that he should lead us? Well,
you know, he's put himself up and he got voted in,
so that's something. Yeah, but he this is look at this.
In two thousand and two thousand and one, he was
elected president of the Victoria University of Wellington Students Association
impressor Grant Robinson was also elected of the OUSA. It

(01:09:40):
was a university students association this way through. What did
he study? He said, politics and criminology at university, worked
for the Todd Energy for a bit and then jumped
into parliament.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
There you go, right, okay, so mostly a politician, a
little bit of work for Todd Energy and then boom
yeah into politics. Yeah yeah, Laighton, you want to have
a chat about MMP.

Speaker 19 (01:10:04):
Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Can you hear me out and clear?

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Can hear you good?

Speaker 25 (01:10:07):
Layton?

Speaker 19 (01:10:08):
Yeah, Grandy mate. So just out of curiosity, I too
was a former president of Victoria University Students Association. We
didn't get it, ye, didn't go into the national politics anyway.
Now MMP was a way back where I'm ever social credit.
When Besa and Napp got two seats in parliament, they
got twenty three percent of vote and that was their

(01:10:29):
sum total. Subsequent elects and the boundary changes were rearranged
and all of a sudden Bruce beth And lost him
seat and as a consequence going out for so fell
and that in the end put the end of Social
Credits pretty much forever. So I have a sympathy for
proposal representation. Subsequently, I was also involved with Design Party
under Bob Jones and we got rounded up fifteen percent

(01:10:51):
of the vote made nearly twenty and as a consequence
put while doing that department that brought in David Longing.
So again for all that effort, no seats. So I
believe proposal representation has a role to play, I think,
and I agree with the previous caller who talked about
the bandais or who had the entitlement to form a government.

(01:11:12):
It's not about it. I think I've heard that as well.
My understanding the nuance was only as the majority party
could you negotiate government and supply with other parties, and
as a consequence, if you could not get that through.
Then you would have to go back to the poles.
Now last, a lot of people might think, oh, that
looks ugly. It suddenly puts a lot of heat under

(01:11:32):
the minor parties to agree to going into coalition, because
the last thing is they don't want to go back
to the polls because it's a hell of a lot
of work as a minor party to make your way
at the elections. And I think you suddenly cline that
would suddenly cause a lot of people to see the
light and be less strident about their demand than forming
a coalition.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
So what you're saying that, what you're saying there late
is that you would have to only the party that
got the highest vote the majority. Yeah, not the majority
of but the highest potes. So when it was the
twenty seventeen that Nestill got, they are the only ones
that can form a coalition with other smaller parties otherwise

(01:12:12):
they have to go to the polls. Is that the system?
So you couldn't have the other parties negotiating to form
a government, a minority government if you know what I'm.

Speaker 19 (01:12:19):
Saying, Yes, good, But because the problem was, as you
pointed out, behind the scenes, I could say don't do
the deal, we'll do later on. So instead of negotiation
running in parallel, you had subversive negotiation going in the
from behind the scenes. So I think, really, if you're
going to do that, you've got to and say it's
this or nothing. And I think that would then also
put a hell on the other minor parties to say,

(01:12:41):
right now we need to sit up because we could
lose this opportunity to form government. Because I think in
the end the electric might look a little bit darker
on the minor parties for that, agreeing to goalst and
understanding they are a bit player in the scheme of
things and they could get punished at the polls, not
to not to mention they take a hell of a
lot of resources to coach the poles again and I
think they would struggle to master be it, but they

(01:13:03):
had the first time round time. And that's an idea there.
The yellowy with coming on to wisdom feels it's very
unlike in the generator or a party had as we
know many cases in the past, you'd sit there and
play both sides of the fence all the way out
to the election. My biggest question is, and I have
to confess. This is the first time I've ever wrote

(01:13:23):
it for New Zealand first this time out. I don't
know whether the party can supplyve beyond Winston. And that's
the question because yes, he's still pretty handy. He's not
quite as herodite as he used to be, but he's
still a force. But I don't know what shape he's
going to be income the next election. He might say, well,
I'll be five, but I don't know what the party

(01:13:43):
has after him. And that's the biggest plen that I have.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Lady, thanks for sharing, Laton, thanks for sharing those thoughts. Yeah,
that's that's an interesting idea that you have to negotiate
with the majority party.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I love it, and that's how it should have been,
because that is a fair way to do it. That
In that instance, the twenty seventeen bill English and National
had forty four percent. Then Winston came along and said,
we might help you out, but you've got to give
us a really really good dear or us will go
the other side. And that's exactly what they did. So
rather than the tail wagging the dog, it's in that
case National saying okay, if you think you can do

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it again, let's go back to the polls and that
would have those minor parties cow towing very quick and
that's the way it should be. But just my thoughts.
I one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We will play some messages and come back with more
of your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
It's nine to three, the issues that affect you and
a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heathen, Tyler
Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
News TALKSB. It is seven to three.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Before I was saying asking the question which Deputy Prime
minister called Winston Peters the blowfly of New Zealand politics,
and it was Deputy Prime Minister Michael Cullen, And I
thought at the time there must have been a response
and someone sticks through that. Winston's response was to call
Cullen the maggot of New Zealand. Palin.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
That is very good from Winston. Ide hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Karam Have I said
that right?

Speaker 26 (01:15:12):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
High nice to check. What's your tay?

Speaker 16 (01:15:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:15:17):
I think I think it's quite wise of Winston Peters
to rule out Chrisipkins, because no disrespect to Chris Hopkins.
I mean, obviously Chris Hopkins was I think kind of
mister fix it from the previous Labor government, you know,
before he became the prime minister. But I just doubt

(01:15:39):
that Chris Hopkins will be the leader of Labor Party,
you know, before.

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
The next election.

Speaker 26 (01:15:45):
So it's quite smart unless Labor knows that, you know,
they're probably not gonna win the election. They might just
it's a bit like you know, bel English coming back
to the second time, or Judith Collins was, you know,
you know what I mean, like they they put these
people as placeholders and they're just like they're waiting in
the waiting room and just going okay, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
They're to save the furniture. Yeah, I mean they are.
I mean that arguably that's what Chris Hipkins may be,
is that he's there until the election, then they lose
and he gets burned off and someone else comes through
the ranks, That's what you'll say.

Speaker 26 (01:16:19):
But there is an exception. I think the exception of
recent history has revealed that, you know, people like Trump
can get back, and so I don't know if Chris
Hoippkins is hoping for a one term national government just
like a one term, you know, Democrat Joe Biden government
and where Trump comes back in and maybe Chris Hopkins

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would like to be the next Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Yeah, maybe never say never anything.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
They've got similar color here, Yeah, they've got them from
in the Bill English era. There were so many great talents,
Simon Bridges, Stephen Joyce, Amy Adams, Putty. The English didn't
have the chance that year, even though they got the
minority of votes. Yeah. I mean you've got to say
they were pretty pretty strong. A lot of talent that
disappeared from that that government.

Speaker 16 (01:17:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Bill English was a pretty solid gent wasn't he Certainly
Stephen Joyce fantastic on the infrastructure.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
And when you look at forty four percent of the vote,
I think that's you know where the question started to
come in about MMP, is that any party would kill
for forty four percent of the vote.

Speaker 23 (01:17:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Yeah, but I mean that is history, now, isn't it
funny we could change time?

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Well, I've got to say, you know, whether you rule
people in or out with MMP, maybe politically wise or not.
But if you're going to slag someone off, there is
an integrity issue if you won't rule them out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Yeah, exactly. Hey, that was a great discussion. Thank you
very much to everyone who phoned up and text on
that one. Coming up after three o'clock. Let's have a
chat about recycling. It appears it is not working anymore,
but what do you say? Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call if you want
to send a texture more than Welcome nine to ninety
two New Sport and whether on its way. You're listening

(01:18:01):
to mattin Tyler. Very very good afternoon to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
You your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's
Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Sebby, very good afternoons. Welcome back into the show, seven
past three, and thank you again for the last couple
of hours. Really enjoyed that chat. But we're going to
change it up over the next fifteen minutes or so.
We do want to talk about recycling. So the story
out today about recycling being in absolute shambles in the
farn The year's worth of plastic waste, once collected for

(01:18:42):
recycling may now end up in landfall. So the Far
North District Council ran out of space for the one
hundred and ninety ton stockpile, which grew after markets for
type one plastics started to fade around three years ago
and has not recovered. So in a recent meeting, the
Far North District Council moved to approved the landfilling of

(01:19:04):
the so called recyclable material at an estimated cost of
forty five thousand dollars. Now. One of the interviews on
with Mike cosk in this morning, her name was Sue
Coots and she's Zero Waste Network New Zealand CEO on
this particular debacle, and here's what she said when talking
about the Chinese market saying no to this type of plastic.

Speaker 27 (01:19:25):
They did their best to recycle it, but people started
sending them such a lot of mad stuff, you know,
recycling everything that we wanted to throw into our recycling bins,
sending it off to China, hoping that they'll be able
to sort our problems out. And I think what we
can take from what's happened in Northland is it's no
surprise that the colored soft drink bottles are not going
to get recycled, like we've known that for about ten years.

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I think what's really surprising to me is that producers
are still choosing to sell us strengths and bottles that
aren't recyclable exactly.

Speaker 13 (01:19:52):
And when we talk about the Northland District Council, I'm
assuming it's all over the country.

Speaker 27 (01:19:56):
Every council, every rat player has an issue with recycling.
And I think that's one reason why we really need
to come up with a bit of a bad way
of doing it, like what Well, basically there's plenty of
good ideas out there, you know. The reason New Zealand's
got a big rubbish problem at the moment, we just
haven't done any of them in the last twenty years.
If you think of people who put the packaging on
the market, they're the ones who decide what kinds of
packaging they use, are the ones who have the ability

(01:20:18):
to choose types that are readily recyclable. If if you
look around the world, extended producer responsibility is the whey
all our countries are going that we like to compare
ourselves to. If we get this law in place, give
us a chance to put something like and contain a
return scheme in place which would see us with really
great outcomes for all the bottles and cans, and then

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it could also set us up for things like textiles
and e waste and other things that we want to
see better recycling systems for as well.

Speaker 13 (01:20:47):
In reality, if it's inconvenient, we won't do it.

Speaker 27 (01:20:50):
Now, the majority of people, even though they don't feel
one hundred percent confident that there's good outcomes from recycling,
they're rarely committed to carrying on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Yeah, but if we're not seeing these good outcomes, there's
a lot of effort being put into recycling and use
end and the individually. As we've talked about before Tyler
on the show, you putting your cycling through the dishwashing
pastics and a lot of it's just ending up in landfill.
Is it just a lot of work, a lot of
energy with the collection and the contamination of materials. I mean,

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you know they can go around and collect a whole
lot of the blue bins in Auckland and then there's
just some contamination in there and as a result, that
whole truck is worthless. Then you've got all the fossil
fuels of driving that truck around, you've got the low
market value that she was talking about, you've got the
high energy use in any kind of recycling. You've got
insufficient infrastructure to actually deal with the whole situation. Sometimes

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we're exporting the waste, it just seems and then I
mean there's a whole thing just green washing, so everyone
feels like they're doing something when we're not really doing anything.
And as the perception of recycling worth or the hassle
or do we just need to, as she says, get
absolutely real and admit and have some absolutely cold hard
figures on the good and bad of recycling and just

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make a decision whether it's worth it and potentially just
go back to just throwing everything out if it's going
to end up mainly in landfill anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighties another to call nice,
he said, I mean, clearly it's not working. Right, is
that we had all this pilava with different councils doing
different things. Some took lid, some didn't take lids. Some
liked soft drink bottles, some didn't. Now the Far North
district councils having to chuck one hundred and ninety tons
of plastic into landfall because nobody will take it. Is

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it not working? But to your point, I still do it.
I still put my soft drink bottle in my yellow
band and knowing full well it's probably going to end
up in landfall, but I feel good doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah, So you're saying the perception of doing something that
you think is virtuous is enough for you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
On the off chance, even if it's one percent chance
that that WEE Soft drink bottle is going to end
up in China and they're going to recycle it and
turn it into another bottle one percent chance, that's good
enough for me to keep trying.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
But what if what if it's using more resources to
recycle than it is saving, why.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
Would want that to happen? Well, you know dishwasher.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
So yeah, So by the time you've run it through
the dishwasher, a trucks picked it up, they've moved it.
A certain percent of it's been throwing out. You have
to factor and contamination in the trucks and how few
go there. You've got this text of saying I live
near a dump. I can see the dank, and all
day I see recycling trucks just dumping the rubbish into
the refless trenfit center. So all that put in, you

(01:23:37):
would still just on the off chance, or wouldn't you
want to Okay, wouldn't you prefer to know the cold,
hard facts and just everyone was completely honest about it,
and we knew whether it was doing anything good or
bad or not. And if it's if it's, if it's close,
then maybe we need to ask the effort that people
are putting into it at the time, they're taking out
of their life to do the recycling, the energy that's

(01:23:58):
been expended, the productivity that's been lowered in day to
day life from people trying to recycle. Let's just we
just cut through the bs and find out if it's
actually doing anything or not.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
That is exactly what I want, And that's a fair point.
I've been a bit facetious, But forget about the plastic,
because I still genuinely think glass is worthwhile recycling. I
think that is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Well, let's find out exactly what they can recycle on.
If it's only glasses, and it's only glass, then let's
do that. Yeah, Okay, Okay, let's find out. Let's just
find out the absolute facts of it. Otherwise we're just
running around patting ourselves on the back and doing absolutely
nothing right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
So two questions here. One is recycling just a joke
and it hasn't worked, and it's not working and we've
got to figure out something gase And if you're in
the recycling game, tell us please, we just need some
mythbusting here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Yeah, because wherever you look it up, you can't cut
through the rubbish. Hey, well done to get to the
facts on recycling, because everyone seems to have any gender
on it. And is it actually as was suggested before,
the responsibility of the people that are manufacturing these plastics,
for example, to make plastics that can actually be recycled.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Yeah, good point.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Why is us consumers that are taking the hit on
all this and having to separate stuff that then just
ends up in land refill anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It's fourteen past three, good afternoon. So we're
talking about recycling. The Far North District Council is having
to accept they may have to land for one hundred
and ninety tons of what they thought might have been
recyclable plastic and it wasn't. Really this was plastic and
it's called type one pet but it is soft drink bottles.

(01:25:34):
It is that harder plastic that peanut butter sometimes comes
in that was being sent off shorter places like China, right,
because China said we can take it and we'll recycle it.
And it was about a year ago they said no more,
we're not going to take it because it's not worth
while for us to recycle it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Yeah, and we were shipping a lot of stuff over
there and they'll just pick it through the rest of
it in the rubbish anyway. So it's been picked up,
it's been driven around, you've used your dishwasher on it,
it's been half of it's ended up in landfill, some
of it's ended up in a ship, mostly gets thrown out.
Now they don't want any of it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
It's a lot of killer what man hours, isn't it recycling?

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
As the sexus seed is running around put them patting recycler.
Recycler is running around patting themselves on the back, thinking
they've done well and saving the planet, just like every
ev driver. Well I think some people drive evgs VI's
not to save the planet, but just because they're pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Yeah and fast. The talks instant.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Peter, welcome to the show. Thanks for calling eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
Yes, well, we were very particular about sorting our rubbish
and I took a trailer load of rubbish and or
set up on its individual containers to be recycled. When
we got there, they said, sorry, we're full up, we

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can't take any more, so go and dump it in
the general rubbish which is still in the same general area.
But then they charged me for it. Yeah, recycling for free.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
What landfall was that it, Peter, you don't have to say,
but it can help.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
Well, it was hockey Coe Recycling Center.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
Right, So that was effectively they were omitting defeat to
you that we're not going to be able to recycle
this straight up seema as well, just dump it in
the in the landfill.

Speaker 23 (01:27:27):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
And I know because I'm in business that a lot
of things that look green aren't green really because for
some things and recycling, the chemical you used to reconstitute
it is worse for the environment than just burying it. Yeah,

(01:27:55):
there's just so many things we are not told you
we're made to do things to keep the country green,
when actually a lot of those things aren't very green
at all.

Speaker 8 (01:28:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Well, I mean just the energy, Peter, to run a
recycling plant, you've got a factor all that, and you've
got a factor in the truck picking it up, You've
got a factor the energy spent by people investing in it,
you've got the energy to recycle it. How much get
There's so many things that you have to factor in
before you can say that this one thing recycled from

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that is better than that one thing just being thrown out.
And I don't think we ever hear that. We never
hear the exact equation of how much like if you
take one plastic bottle from where it is to being recycled,
when you consider all the waste just gets thrown out,
all the fossil fuels burned and picking it up, all
the fossil fuels worked on transporting to China or running
the recycling plant. As I say, we need to have

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that whole equation before you can shame someone for not recycling.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:54):
I think one of the things that's much laughable is
how we shut coal coal mines down in New Zealand
and then we bring the coal from overseas.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Exactly, it's a logic and the purer well a lot
of people would agree.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
On it's the perception. So people do all these things
for the perception of feeling like they are doing the
right thing. And Tyler thinks that's enough. Tyler thinks if
you just feel like it, as this text said, Tyler,
when you say you are doing your part, you might
think you were helping the enviar. Aren't washing your recycling?
Do you think taking into account the water and power
used to wash your trash? That's from Henry, I measure it,
so don't you have to take everything into account? And

(01:29:34):
I would just like some honest numbers that takes absolutely
everything into account. And if we are just working our
butts off, separating our recycling and going through all these
difficult decisions and stuff and cleaning, and the water we
use pouring down the sink to clean this rubbish off,
and the stuff that comes off this recycling and goes
down the drain, I'd just like to have the equation

(01:29:55):
to know that if we're going to do that, that
it actually is doing some good.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
I agree with that, But when it comes to what
we're doing with these places now, surely there's got to
be a better way. We've been on the Moon, we've
launched rockets, we've got satellites out there, and the only
thing we can come up with with our rubbish is
bury it in a hole like fricking cave men. Surely
we can come up with something to do with there's
some better way.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Maybe a hole's a good place for rubbish. Maybe maybe
if you turn some fossil fuels into plastic and then
you bury them in the ground, they're back where they started.
In the ground just takes a long, a long long time.
Where we don't want them is in the atmosphere floating around, right.
Isn't it the whole we don't want to burn them.
Isn't the whole idea that we don't want the carbon
in our atmosphere? That's a good point. So off it

(01:30:39):
in the ground. It back in the ground where it
came from.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
What do you say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
if you're in the game, Love to hear from you.
What are the facts we want to do some myth
busting here? Is it actually worth it to try and
recycle glass? Love to hear from you, oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
And the species? Please, guys, can you tell people who
are in their cars when they ring in to turn
off their indicators? Drives me nuts? But if they're if
they're turning a corner to if they're going to rig
the car and they're tuning the corner. We just have
to put up with the indicator otherwise we can't even
turning corners about indicating exactly. That's a whole other level
of problem apart from me annoying sound eight hundred eighty

(01:31:17):
ten eighty. What do you think about recycling? Should we
just give it up? Throw it in the landfill?

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons Call Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk SEDV.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Good afternoon. We're talking about recycling or is it all
just a big have and we need to think what
else we can do. This is after the Far North
District Council has decided they may need to land for
one hundred and ninety tons of plastic that they thought
may be recyclable, but they no longer can get rid
of it because China says that it doesn't want it anymore.
Oh eight hundred eighteen eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Call Dave, Welcome to the show. Thanks for calling there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
You are mate, very good and what's your take about
the recycling?

Speaker 9 (01:32:00):
Well, it's just nice to be standards across the island
is the same thing really, you know, like the same bend,
the same way we recycle the whole lot. You know,
because I work in the McKenzie country in noids to.

Speaker 11 (01:32:13):
Do the recycling and you know people would put glass
and the yellow burn when casephone christ is but that's
not acceptable on McKinsey roop, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Yeah, And I thought I thought there was some legislation
that came through on that day. But but their decide
who used to work and recycling and McKenzie did you?
So the rules were changing for you all the time,
were they or it was just confusing when if you
live in Mackenzie then they've got different rules in christ
Church and Wellington and Auckland.

Speaker 9 (01:32:42):
Yeah yeah, well up the crosses and they're working in
whole The glass was such and the yellow always the
blowbon So the Monica they have a blow burn and
the Mackenzie they have a blue verne and that's just
the glass.

Speaker 6 (01:32:55):
And then you have.

Speaker 9 (01:32:57):
Recycling which is a yellow and then rubbish of course
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Yeah, I mean that is Yeah, it is confusing when
you go to different regions. But for you who used
to work in the sector, is it still worth it?
To recycle some things, do you think.

Speaker 9 (01:33:09):
Dave, Oh yeah, what personally is from agadvocates for bringing
back the old glass bottles for fizzy drinks and milk
bottles of stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
You know, Yeah, do we need just do we need
a list of just what can actually be recycled and
work out exactly what is worth doing and what isn't
instead of chucking it all together, Because there's some things
that might be worth it or might be equal. If
it's just equal, then there's no point. But things like bottles,
if you can actually smell it, smash it down and
making the bottles that that's absolute. That's great. Yeah, But

(01:33:39):
my point is we just don't know the equation of it.

Speaker 9 (01:33:43):
So with bottles is sometimes it just gets crass up.
Understands we're just still recycling.

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
In a way.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Yeah, But I you know, I get the point about plastic.
When you've got seventeen different types of plastic, can you
get to figure out which one is recyclable or not?
And can I recycle the lid on my milk bottle?
And is the bottle recyclable? It all just gets too much.
Whereas glass nice and easy. We all know what glasses
and most of us, I think can understand how class
as recycling easy. But again that goes back to a

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point you raised right at the start of this out, Matt.
That's up to the people that make products right to
use those materials instead of the instead of the cheapest
stuff that is a nightmare to try in and get
rid of.

Speaker 9 (01:34:24):
Even if you went back to the Olimer say bring
your swamp a great wait, we'll give you two.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Yeah, yeah, exactly Now, because individual things say, for example,
there was a plant in Auckland. I'm not sure if
they're still going, I should look it up, but they
were munching up road cones and making road cones out
of road cones. So road cones only have a certain
amount of lifespan. So that to me seems like great
recycling because it's clearly we've got a clear process between

(01:34:53):
the product and the new product. Coming back. You know
that these people they click the rubbish road cones, they
turn them into fresh road cones. I mean, I don't know.
I mean, I guess we all want less road cones,
but that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
Ye, But if you can recycle them, we've got the mirorway.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Hopefully they'll go out of business. And because we'd have
no more road cones at all, it will be preferable.
But you see what I'm saying, it's a like for
like situation. Yeah, you know, rather than just shoffing everything
into these bins and they go out that things get contaminated,
You've got the local collection truck picks it up. You've
got the transport, and you've got the sorting at the
recycling center. You've got the sorting of the materials out

(01:35:31):
of it. You've got the baling and the shipping up.
You've got the reprocessing, the cleaning, shredding, palletizing, the manufacturing
of new products. You got this whole there's so many steps. Yeah,
we just don't know if it's worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Whereas in that instance, you've got an old cone, mesh
it up, you get a new cone, nice and easy.
We can all understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Look, I'm absolutely positive I'm suffering terrible done and k
Kruger here talking about this.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
But yeah, if you're in the industry, oh one hundred
and eighty ten eighty, we still haven't got to the
bottom of it. Dave worked in the sector, and glass
is okay. I think according to Dave, these.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Great new Zealanders. The road cone recycling is still going.
It's pro line sticks limited. But then the government was
importing road cones and Auckland Transport was importing road cones
from from so that at one hand they're saying that
they're all about recycling. It's shame every person that's hard
working New Zealand about their recycling. Meanwhile, we've got a

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company in Auckland that can recycle the road pones. But
what are we doing. No, we're importing road cones from overseas,
So they don't really believe in what they're saying anyway,
exactly put all our road coons through these great New Zealand.

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see the story at Enzen Herald Premium. Now back to
Matte Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Thank you, reyl Blue Sky's are complete and other ghost down.
So you wanted to engage with people, then that is
not the place to do it. The place to do
it is an eight hundred and eighty ten eighty News Talks.
D B said, ye's on nine two Matt and Tyler.
The road cones for recycling have a shorter life span
and colder temperatures in the South Island. We hate them,
Cam from traffic Management. Okay, he hates them. Okay, I

(01:38:33):
still like it, afternoon, guys. Just one thing to mention
Plastics New Zealand Association website. It's a great site. And
the industry that works with government on overseeing plastic production,
recycling and business for customers. Okay, check that out there,
you go.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
So anyone who's who's in the industry of recycling plastic
and the actual usable products love to hear from you.
We were talking off here about fence posts. I think
they still do that. Somewhere down the South there was
all this talk about plastic roads as well. Was that
still going to happen. There's a big, big thing about
three years ago. I've never seen any plastic roads. But oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you actually recycle
plastic for something usable and tangible and good for society, yes,

(01:39:09):
give us a buzz.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
Give us the actual facts. People in charge, because if
we're just spinning our wheels, feeling good about ourselves, putting
stuff in the recycling bins when it's actually a net loss.
It'd be good to know. It'd be good to know
that it's just if it's just going to landscape. We're
just full full disclosure. I feel like it's so hard
to get through everything. Someone said they've done the numbers
with chet GPT and it's about even right. It's about

(01:39:31):
even from one plastic to another plastic.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Okay, boy, I just need slightly better than Ai.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
But yeah, Ali is terrible liar. Welcome to the show, Phil.
Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 8 (01:39:46):
Good thought of that?

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
How are you very good? My friends?

Speaker 28 (01:39:50):
Pretty good. I've got a lot to say on this,
so hopefully I'll get it all out there. I've been
trying to keep it in my mind while I've been waiting.
But firstly of all, toilet, I'm with your mate, I'm
staying with you. I'll wash that little bottle and that
it will be recycled, and thinking, you know, it'll make
me feel better.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
I knew that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Someone out there that would support means.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
We feel a little bit sad during that film, hoping
against hope, cleaning your bottles out.

Speaker 12 (01:40:17):
Oh well, you know what they said, Matt.

Speaker 28 (01:40:19):
When Pandora's box was open, the only thing that left.

Speaker 8 (01:40:22):
That was left was hope.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
So you got to hold on to hope.

Speaker 28 (01:40:28):
But yeah, no, I'm big on recycling. It's quite a
passion with me. I'd love to end up in a
job with it somehow. But I think I get really
frustrated with the manufacturers because I think they put the
guilt on on on us the consumer. I think the
owners of the year, their owners should be on the
manufacturers to make either recyclable packages or at least what

(01:40:56):
do you call when they break down in the environment
combustible fight a gradable? Yeah, the gradable ones at least,
And I think also so I think they should take
much more responsible in that area. And I think the government,
and that's what frustrates me when you want to recycle
and you want to buy a product that you know that,

(01:41:16):
oh gee, it's not recyclable, and to put it in
a plastic it's not recyclable or something. I think also
that the government should be more involved and take more
responsibility because I see it as I see it as
important to the environment because bearing everything's good, you know,
in a big hole until a storm or something comes along,
which was seen in the in the past few years,

(01:41:38):
and that gets exposed, and all of a sudden, you've
got rubbish everywhere in the in the rivers and the
and the seas and on the beaches and all going
into the ocean. You've got to a big cleanup job.
So that that so, I think that's why the government
should get more involved.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
So do you think that we're getting told the truth
about recycling? Do you think we're getting the full facts
or do you think there's there's a lot of spin.

Speaker 28 (01:42:04):
Yeah, I think just listening to listening to things over
the last year or so when this subject has been
brought up on talkbacks and things like that, because I
listened to the talk back all the time. Yeah, I
think we've been good New Zealander.

Speaker 21 (01:42:22):
I think.

Speaker 28 (01:42:23):
Yeah, I think the wall is being pulled over our
eyes a bit and we're being misled the general public
and recycling and how much it actually is getting recycled
and not told the complete truth. Men told a few porkies.
The other thing, too, I think is that I don't
know why they don't look at And this is where
I think the government should be involved. In it and

(01:42:43):
it should be seen as sort of not so much
just a profit pure profit thing. Whether they can make
it where it can money out of it is where
they don't look at like in the Norwiftic country, Norwegian
countries or Nordic countries, where I think they have the
big incinerators and they burn the rubbish so high that
it doesn't pollute the environment, you know, going into the atmosphere.

(01:43:05):
So I don't know whether they don't look at those
types of buildings and things look for better word or
factories to do that. And I find also really annoying
because I'm in christ you're a cheer, and I find
really annoying that even if you've got the right recycle
number and Christ here it's one, two and five on plastics.

(01:43:26):
But say you've got a container and it's got a
lead on it and it's got the right number to
recycle one and two or five. I rung up the
council ask them about it, and they say, no, we
can't take those because the machines can't handle them. And
that's the reason why they The reason why they can't
handle the bottle tops is because they're too small.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
And then there's a diaper in the mix, and then
you can't have any of it your jar. Yeah, exactly.
Thank you so much for your call. Phil. It's complicated,
and I don't think we're getting told the truth. We
used to recycle newspaper supermaker bags till a little miss
Muppet stop that. We use them for bin liners, doggy
poo and just about everything, even lamb covers. Now we

(01:44:06):
buy all those items and rubbish. Yeah, I mean the
whole plastic bags and supermarkets are so ridiculous when you
don't have the little plastic bags and then and then
you're just walking out You've got your dishwashing liquid in
a big plastic model. That was that is entirely those
those bags. Was the perception of doing something, not the
actuality of doing it. Calbon Campbell working to Welcome to

(01:44:27):
the show.

Speaker 16 (01:44:28):
Great shoe fellows. Thank you for enjoying this topic.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Are you're a good man.

Speaker 21 (01:44:34):
I'm completely the opposite to the last caller.

Speaker 23 (01:44:37):
I've completely given.

Speaker 24 (01:44:39):
Up of recycling.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
You've lost your hope.

Speaker 23 (01:44:42):
Used to be a recycler.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
I said, you've lost your hope. Phil still got his hope.
You've lost lost.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
Certainly wavering.

Speaker 23 (01:44:51):
Well here Meah Okay, So I used to be big
time recycler, and then when I started finding out that
we've seen it overseas and the lights and it just
gets put into landshell, I just thought, well, what's the point,
you know, like, why why should I spend you know,
if you ended up every single minute that you spend
in a week, yes doing your recycling, you probably spend

(01:45:12):
an hour of your life, you know, to do.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
It, to do it exactly right as is expected.

Speaker 29 (01:45:18):
Yeah, yeah, And I just I just find the whole
New Zealand clean green image to be a load of bs,
to be perfectly honest, And I think we've become a
very hypocritical culture because we send our tires to Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 23 (01:45:32):
Who burn them in the desert. You know, we don't
allow drilling for oil here, however we import it from
everywhere else in the world we send our recycling. Say,
we like a child that sees we've cleaned our bedroom
and then you go in and check and all I've
done is put.

Speaker 21 (01:45:48):
It under the beer.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
It's so true.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
It's so true. It's the perception, or it's the it's
the look that you're doing something to feel better. You've
got people complaining about mining, texting and complaining and posting
on social media about mining from their iPhones, which have
got a bunch of common people aren't anti mining. They're
anti mining and New Zealand.

Speaker 23 (01:46:10):
Has anyone talked about what they do in Singapore, because
that's what I'm quite passionate about. No, no, okay, your
last Paula kind of mentioned it in Singapore because they're
the leaders of this, by the way, because they've got
such a small land area, they can't bury their rubbish.
They've got no they've got nowhere to put it. So
they are the leaders in burning rubbish. Now they have

(01:46:32):
got it down to such a fin the smoke or
whatever that comes out of the chimney is so low
in toxicity whatever you say. And all that's left behind
is carbon, right, which naturally the Earth has carbon, as
we know. But what they do is that they it's

(01:46:55):
a massive power plant in Singapore. They burn ninety nine
percent of all of their rubbish, every single bit.

Speaker 16 (01:47:04):
They don't recycle.

Speaker 23 (01:47:05):
I don't do And you're talking nappies, glassy plastics, everything, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Yeah, and what is it? And it's and they're not
unleashing a bunch of carbon into the atmosphere.

Speaker 23 (01:47:20):
Well, and here's the next part of my call. Yes,
of course they're releasing a little bit. Nothing is perfect,
but it's.

Speaker 8 (01:47:28):
The hell of a lot better than good old New Zealand.

Speaker 23 (01:47:31):
Who's putting it on the ground, whether it be in
our country or in China. The damage that that does.
And fifty I mean we're currently in New Zealand. There
was an article on the news just the other day
how we're digging up all the old rubbis stunts that
are all near the the ocean. I mean, crying it lad.

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
Now.

Speaker 23 (01:47:47):
The second part of my cause is it was a
guy here in Canterbury. He wanted to he wanted to
install one of these plants in the South Island. It
would have taken every single piece of rubbish that the
South Island could have produced. It would have made enough
power to power Timarrou And he couldn't get across the

(01:48:08):
line because everyone was making it so the environment caught
and everyone was making it so hard for him, so
he gave up.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
Yah, I'm fascinating. Look, I'm just looking at this technology now.
I believe I don't know whether this is still the case,
but it looks like there is a proposed Kuipitter based
waste of energy andcinerator that was going to be operational
in twenty twenty eight. Do you it's Cambells still there?
Do you know anything about that one kemble?

Speaker 23 (01:48:33):
I just know the one there was one down and
I think it was why Matty.

Speaker 16 (01:48:39):
So not with Kayper Again.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
That's in the North Islands, so probably not that one.
But yeah, I mean it's exciting technology and it sounds
like Singapore absolutely making it work.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Yeah, says you're spreading misinformation. Stop. Well, we're really asking
as someone to give us all the information. I would
like to know that the complete and utter rundown, absolutely
all the information on recycling. Yeah, from every part of it,
from the contamination of materials, the the you know, the

(01:49:09):
the high energy use and changing it. They're picking it up.
Everyone's work that's put into it, from from the work
that people put in their house to putting it into
the recycling bins, to the picking up of it, to
what's actually recycled, how much ends up in landfill, and
the actual stats on it across the board. Someone do
a full holistic analysis of it and then come back

(01:49:32):
to us.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
And that's what we asked from the get go, and
nobody's provided us with that yet, but there's still time. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It has called it a four.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
Madd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty Tight. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
They'd be very good. Afternoon, Jude is twelve to four. George,
what's your take?

Speaker 16 (01:49:55):
Goodday, guys. I'm George from.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Oh nice to hear from you, George, lovely.

Speaker 16 (01:50:02):
The best placeable except for except for maybe Italy. Anyway,
what we what do we have about is basically work
for just water and we're going over thirty eight thousand
customers and out from government, schools, hospitals, you name it,
and we recycle all our bottles, fifty meter bottles. But
it irks me their company is now selling these other bottles.

(01:50:25):
Was a thinner, one use only and spread into the
rubbishment and that really peased me off. You know, we're here,
we are. We look up to our customers since ninety
eighty six a great company and the thirty eight thousand
customers were the leaders. And we recycled all these bottles.
But they are now people in like in Togario company

(01:50:48):
there who just sells them in wor worse or supermarkets
and one use and the thrown away and and that
just I've sent them in in the dumps and I said,
look a look at the waste. There was such a waste.
The governms shouldn't allow that to be solved.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
So what do you think the government could do about that?

Speaker 16 (01:51:05):
George, Well, here's people who are are making larger bottles
about the size of twenty coat bottles, you know, plastic
coke bottles. They're modify how many people are using them.
So they've got to say, you know, I know, how
how do you get to the government.

Speaker 28 (01:51:24):
No one.

Speaker 16 (01:51:25):
I don't trust the government. So that's a problem. That's
the biggest problem. You know, we need to we need
a and I don't know in the country, but I
just want to put it, you know, I will to
adjust what. I'm proud of it that we recycle all
our bottles.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Good on you, and we're the.

Speaker 16 (01:51:43):
Largest and there's some people out there who want to
sell other stuff as we gets trucked in the Robbergemon. Well, well,
just you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Well if you get if you if you care about recycling,
support just water because they do the company, and so
maybe that's a bit of use of our energy and time.
Yeahs as supporting people, I mean, one of these things,
these people that rave about recycling and do the recycling
right and then then buy four million stupid things that
they're definitely going to throw out up from Teamate. You

(01:52:09):
know that that if you really want to help the environment,
buy less crap that you're going to throw out. I mean,
that's the first thing you want to do that you'll do.
You'll do so much more if that's what you care about.
By just being more discerning in the absolute bollocks you buy.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
It spot On. That's nicely said. Thank you very much,
George die.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
You've got some Kathmandu skirts.

Speaker 17 (01:52:32):
I know, and I think it's quite positive actually because
I bought them a couple of years ago and I
couldn't believe it. I found the tag and I remember,
you know, sort of reading it when I first put them.
But yeah, these these two garments are made out of
recycled plastic bottles and the textiles being developed in China,

(01:52:54):
and it states quite a lot about the process and everything,
and I think, you know, good on cat men do.
And I'd actually like to ring them up and find out,
you know, that whole process and what's developed from it, because,
like I said, I've had them about two years to
three years and they're still standing up, strong and great

(01:53:16):
to wear.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Oh wow, that's good news.

Speaker 17 (01:53:18):
And they look good, look the perfect for what I
brought them for, which is you know, campaign, round home hiking,
all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:53:28):
Easy.

Speaker 17 (01:53:28):
Here thro them in the washing machine.

Speaker 24 (01:53:31):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (01:53:31):
Great.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
And I was thinking of your cool Die. Well, that's
you know, you're making decision to buy something again.

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
Another company by the sounds of it, that is doing
the right thing right. We're going to play some messages,
but we'll be back very shortly. It is eight to
four the.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons Ustalgs EDB
on Newstalgs EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
It is five to four. Couple of techs here, get
a Matt and Tyler. I saw a program either on
Country Calendar or Rural Report about a wonderful business turning
plastic and defensing posts and rails for lifestyle blocks. Imagine
if we could use a building timber replacement of feel
one hundred percent. Accountability needs to be on the producer
to choose a recyclable product. Very good text, Thank you
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Yes, okay, it's been a great chat, hasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
It has been? And this one says, hey, guys, think
about this. Volcanoes the best place to dump plastic and rubbish.
No port required, just anchor it off and chop or drop.
Anything left ends up covered in lava and becomes part
of the land like Hawaii keeps getting bigger every day.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
From me, okay, so we need to find some volcanoes.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
We could grow our footprints on New Zealand by chucking
it in some ective volcan It.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Could be some costs and fossil fues on the choppers. Well,
when wherever you know, we regret to service and recycling
always seems a bit dodgy. So I'd like to see
a full holistic rundown of all the aspects of recycling
to see if it's worth it or not.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Think we need to know the truth we deserve it
before we're going to put the effort in it. In
the meantime, if you care about rubbish, stop buying so
much crap on teaming. It would be a really good
good start. Thank you all you great you see us
for listening to the show. We've had a great time.
You have the Metantole Afternoons full show podcast will be
out in about an hour. If you missed any of
our excellent chats on Winston Peters in twenty twenty five
and rubbish for the last hour are the fantastic Hither

(01:55:18):
is up next with some hard news. But that's all
from us. See you tomorrow, AVO until the end. Wherever
you are, whatever you're doing, give them a taste of
carey from us.

Speaker 25 (01:55:26):
Ay good, Maddie and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
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