Full Show Podcast: 27 November 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 27th of November 2025, feral cats be gone - concerns over cats spreading disease over farmlands.

Then - empty nesting - when the kids move out.

And Black Friday sales - are the deals good? 

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you and you said as Welcome to Matta Tyler
Fall Show podcast number two fifty two for the twenty
seventh of November twenty twenty five. So the chat we
had today on.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Cats excellent chat, Yeah, feral cats, feisty.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Lots of stories, including a shocking one for myself, What
terrible thing I had to do to a cat?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, not proud, traumatic for the listeners and I imagine
for yourself as well.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
And then just pretty rubbish chat on Black Friday at
the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, it got adventured into broccoli chat. And I don't
know why I encourage that. I'm sorry, mate, I lean
too much into the broccoli chat.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, some maybe jump out after the empty nest to
chat at least you.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Like broccoli, and then stick around because there's not good
stuff there.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Speaking of sticking around, so the years serve the radio
listening results throughout today, and once again Tyler and I
have done very well. So we've we've had a number
that this this time of day has never hit before.
So congratulations to zib as a whole, and congratulations to us.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, and thank you and the old team, yeah, the
whole team.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Andrew out there.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Well you me stay no to a letter extent. Yep,
everyone all good people. Thank you very much, download, subscribe
and give us a review.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
And give a taste of kere you all right then,
love you. So I'm busy the.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk
said they.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Very good afternoon to you, welcome into Thursday show. Really
good to you with us as always made.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Thank you for tuning in your great New Zealanders wherever
you are.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
So, as you may have heard in the news, the
radio listener ship numbers are out again and guess what,
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons are up again after
fourth time and every survey we've ever had, we've been
and this is the biggest jump for us so far.
So thank you so much for all of you who
have been listening for a while, and thank you to
all your great New Zealanders who keep joining us every day.

(02:17):
I love the station, love doing the show, and love
talking to all of you. Every day and it's a
nice way to come to the end of the year
with another big boost for our show, bloody goods, So
thanks everyone. Great to have so many more listeners, but
also lucky we are doing well because here the Deepacy
Ellen would kill us if we didn't deliver good numbers
to her drive show.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Right, she's pretty scary, very scary.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
So if it was dropping off a cloth before she
came on, we hear about it, wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
We We certainly would, but nicely said mate, and we
love you guys, you know that. So awesome result and
thank you too. Today's show after three o'clock, Stat's a
show and key weis are starting to focus on businesses
and services and their community more than they have done
in the last few decades. So instead of traveling afar
to the malls the numbers show, people are reinvesting in
spending their money in their own neighborhoods to not only

(03:04):
boost up the community with that money, but to build
relationships with those around them.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yes, so I've just moved into a new neighborhood, just
a board a new house and moved in. It's great
just walking around and meeting, you know, the new people.
And getting a new cafe, going, checking out the new bars,
checking out new businesses. Move my dentists to a local dentist, lovely,
moving my doctor to a local doctor. And it feels good.
It feels good to be part of the community that's,

(03:32):
you know, within walking distance of your house. So do
you have an obligation to support the businesses in your
area dentist, doctor, bars, cafes, cake shops or is it
all just the cheapest and biggest and tea move for you?
We'll talk about that after three one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Looking forward to that after two o'clock. Empty Nesters. So
story in the Herald where a woman has written in
to ask for advice about recently becoming an empty nester.
So she sees she loves many things about her kids,
finally moving out, the quiet house, the full fridge, the
karma routines, but there's one big downside for her that
she didn't expect. Now it's just her and her husband,
and she realizes that she doesn't actually enjoy being around

(04:12):
them as much as she used to when the kids
were around.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
This happens because you meet someone, you caught them, there's
a romance, you like them so much that you get
married and you settle down and you have kids, or
you like them so much you have kids and then
you settle down and marry whatever audio people do it
in and then you just get into the trenches, bring

(04:36):
up the kids, and it's just kids, kids, kids, kids,
that's all you talk about. Just there's so much going on, money, kids, working,
all that kind of stuff. Kids leave and you look
around and go, who's this person? Because you've changed so
much in that eighteen years or however many years it
takes to get all the kids through the through the house. Yep,
probably more then. Yeah, So it is a real problem.

(04:58):
And also other question we want to look at us.
So when you get rid of the kids' bedroom and
make it a spare room or something.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
You are going through something similar at the moment, Heath.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well, my older son's just moved out, but then university's over,
so moving back in yep, potentially. So does that room
just stay with all this stuff in it?

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Does he get a room or just a spare room
you can just occupy the spare room for a bit.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Is he visiting in the spare room or is that
room his I used to go back to the farm
for years and years, and my room was just there
as I left it because it was in the barn. Yeah,
it was just there and all my stuff was there,
so it was great to visit. You just go up
and it was there for low I think I was
thirty five and it was still there.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Is it because nobody wanted to go and move into
the barn, so there was no risk of it going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
It wasn't sort of highly demanded. It wasn't it an
area of the house that was highly in demand.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, that's going to be a good chat though, that
is after two o'clock, and love to hear your experiences
about becoming empty nesss. But right now, let's say have
a chat about feral cats. So three hundred and twenty
six dead feral cats were turned in as part of
a recent hunting competition on Kiwi farms. Estimates are that
there are two point four million feral cats in New
Zealand and they're not just a three to our native
birds and wildlife. They're spreading the parasite toso plasmosis across

(06:12):
farmland via their droppings, so sheep grazing contaminated pasture, hayar
water can catch the parasite, and often the first sign
appears during lambing, when sudden abortion storms terrifying wipe out
many lambs.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, I mean, I mean it's horrible. And did you
mention the native birds, Tyler?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I did mention the native birds and other wildlife?

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah? There are menace these feral cats. So does New
Zealand protect cats more fiercely than it protects its own
native wildlife? You know, are we so emotionally connected to
cats because people have cats in the house, they love them,
that we are blind to what they're doing in our
rural communities.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Love to hear from you on one hundred and eighty
ten eighty, I will say, used to that, I definitely
think we're blind to it.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
We do.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, what do we need.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
To do them? Hunuman, killum hunting them? Do we need
to go as hard on cats as we go on possums?
Because in my time, as I said before, I've shot
a lot of possums yep, and I've show a lot
of rabbits. But I don't think I could shoot a cat.
Although this text that says this sounds like the perfect
opportunity to hear about that story of how Matt Heath

(07:21):
in humanly killed a cat outside his house with a spade.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Right now, the truth comes out.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I did have to euthanase a cat at one point
with a spade. But we'll maybe talk about that later, Okay,
maybe just we'll leave that there because it wasn't my phone.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
You need to formulize the facts before you get to
that one.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I just yeah, yeah, it hasn't gone well for
me in the past, that story.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
All right, that is coming up. But gi, any of
your thoughts about this? Do we seriously need to rethink
how we control cat populations in New Zealand? And has
our emotions blinded us when it comes to the damage
they can cause? Or do you think people are getting
a little bit up in arms about these feral cats?

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
E one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Nine two nine two is the text?

Speaker 2 (07:59):
And if you deal with feral cats, really are these cats?
Where are they coming from? And they're coming from being dumped?
Is it people that you know, sit folk that just
get rid of their cats and then that cat runs wild,
Because even if it's been newted, the cat will still
be able to do a lot of damage in it's

(08:19):
ten years. I mean, cats can live to fifteen years
on the planet. That's a lot of tucker hay, even
if it's not breeding. Yeah, exactly, they can do a
lot of damage in that time. So is it time
just to go hammer and tongs on feral cats?

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Come on through? I wait, one hundred eighteen eighty is
that number to call? We got full by our lines already.
If you can't get through, keep trying in nine two
nine two, is that Texas? Thirteen past one? Back in
the moth.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
That'd be sixteen past one, and we're talking about feral cats.
Do we as a country needs to do a bit
more to clamp down on feral cats and cats in general?
Or do we let our emotions of cats and how
we feel about them blind us to the damage that
they can do to our wildlife? I wait, one hundred
and eighty teen eighty is the number to call?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Can people?

Speaker 5 (09:11):
You know?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
People say why don't we just go out and desect them?
Just heading out into the into the bottom for farmland desecting.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Them, Yeah, because we talked about that a little bit earlier,
where if you just trap them and then snip off
whatever they've got or take them to the to get murted.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
But some sexes of animals, their bits are inside.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
It much harder.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Greg, your thoughts on feral cats.

Speaker 6 (09:35):
Welcome to the showyeh kid, our guys sorry to offend people,
but kill the cats. We had some te rage neighbors
and they just moved out, and they had a couple
of cats and they just left them behind. And these
two things went far around our neighborhood, you know, and
they were they were literally bodies of dead birds lying

(09:57):
around the place. We've watched this, especially this one. This
little tabby catch these birds with the absolute amazing precision.
So we finally hit to try and catch this thing.
A couple of litters of cushions, and then we had more.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
So they not only left cats behind, but these cats
hadn't been de sexed, no wow, And.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
We unfortunately won one of the litters. Our doll found
the little so we had the big cat, the big
cat chainel mesica going on in our back gear at
one point, but we managed to catch the mum and
a possum track was anyway I could get near them things,
and it was absolutely terrifying. And went near the cage
and it went berserk, absolutely berserk. And there's no way

(10:42):
you put your hand and anywhere near this thing, you know,
And it used to be sort of semi pained, but
it just went just went absolutely wild. Stee when the
only animal that he was scared of was a feral cat,
yeah a lot. Yeah, And there's an episode of tracing
one around the the boss and this then jumped off

(11:05):
like a forty foot tree and ran away. He he's yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
He just bad the bad news.

Speaker 6 (11:13):
And they've got nothing in common with your little fluffy
thing that sits in the corner and looks at pauzled.
You know, these girl cats are killing machines and they
need to go.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
A couple couple of points, a couple of points on that. Firstly,
pretty Steve Ewan wasn't more scared of short tail stingrays. Secondly,
how should we get rid of them, these feral cats?

Speaker 6 (11:36):
I would, I would trap, I would, you know, put
as much effort into killing the cats as as possums
and all the other pieces that we have rats and
have a proper trapping program for them, and I'd actually
pour quite a lot of money into them, and they're
just they're just devastating the breadlfe around the place.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
You know.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
They who's a thing not long ago that I think
it's between three and thirteen million wildcats And he's yelling now,
now that's a massive wide number that was like this
was on this radio show a while ago. Because I
don't really know, but there are signs of them all
around the bush all around. So we live in Lower
Heart and at the back of our house, it's a

(12:15):
lot of bush, you know, and there are a lot
of cats in there, I can tell you. Now that's
sort of where they all seem to come down from.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
So they need to go, You need to go.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
What about because to me, Greg, this starts with normal
cat owners and you've got scumbags like your neighbors who
just leave them there and then they become feral cats
and have lots of feral cat babies. But do we
actually need to like we have with dogs, need to
get a bit more serious about registration about areas where
domestic cats are actually allowed, because that's where the problem starts,

(12:44):
right It's idiot cat owners that allow them to escape,
and then they become feral cats.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
Yeah, yeah they shouldn't. I'm makeu you're handing in and
I build a lot of catories and because of people
who are worried about their cats going out and killing
beards and bringing them home. So people will literally spend
ten thousand dollars now on a cattery on the back
of their house where the sort of the cat can
go out, but they can't get away because they're so

(13:09):
worried about the bood life around the place. And these
stuff been tested cone as a cats, that's how they
should be. But cats just just you can't keep them
in anyone in the area. They're just their own at all.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, animal like a dog, independent operators, cats aren't they.
But it's interesting because a lot of countries in the world,
like if you go to the United States, they you know,
I've had friends that come over here and they can't
believe that our cats just roam their cats are and
the cats are inside animals and most of the United States.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
Yeah, I've had a couple of jobs or I've actually
trying to make a backyard cat proof to stop the
cat getting out.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, and it's ritually impossible.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
Yeah, you put these bridge stainless steel caps over the
top of fences and bands trees for something sort of
climbing up the tree and jumping over the fence.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
And they're amazing creatures. They're amazing creatures. The way they cock,
they've got their way with their hind legs, where they've
got the way that the spring action they use with
their hind legs, it's really interesting you look into it.
So they sort of pull their muscles back and lock
it in place and release themselves to jumps. They can
jump so high. But you think about how easy it
is to keep a dog in your property compared to

(14:13):
and I mean anyone knows, Like I always say to
my dog Colin, Colin, where are the cats? Where are
the cats? And he goes running out of dog door.
He can never get anywhere near the cats.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Long gone. They are the.

Speaker 7 (14:22):
Perfect We say to go get the cats.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Two of trying to.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
You get this bagarigan gray cat that used to sit
on the fence, and just watch Colin going crazy and
just laugh at him. And that's and Greg, it's not
to say that cats aren't lovely pets, you know, and
you know they're nice to stroke. There's nothing like a
cat purring in front of a fire. It's very, very
wholesome stuff. But when it's out of the house, it's

(14:55):
not only an eighty apex predator, it's also spreading toxo plesmosis,
which is a terrifying parasite.

Speaker 6 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, yes, them things. So yeah, I'm all for
i'veious dollars trapping them, getting rid of them in the
wild as best you can. I think that unfortunately that
horses rest the stable a bad pun. But yeah, I'm
killed the cats as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Are you calling those those enclosures cattios katos?

Speaker 8 (15:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (15:26):
Yeah, but if you've got a debt, if you've got
to dick at the back of the house, you you
basically make a giant bird coach and you're seeing them things.

Speaker 9 (15:34):
And and then and then fill it with native birds
so the cat can it's what they do best. Desires
Thank you, Greg, Yeah, great call. Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. How do you feel about this when
it comes to the feral cats, do we need to
go harder? But also cats in general? Does it need
to be some more regulation for cat owners?

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Love to hear from you, I'm disgusted at you two
laughing and joking about murdering cats. Have changed channel.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Well, no e, you'll be back here. Yeah, you're still there.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
You'll be back.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
And if you're not, you'll be back here. You can't
stay away.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
You'll be back. It's twenty three parts one of Mike,
the headlines and the hard questions.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 10 (16:14):
Twenty five points. It was cash rate of two point
two five. Christian Harksby's with us the five to one vote.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Who's the one not discosed?

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Was it you and not discuosed? Why not?

Speaker 10 (16:22):
Because I'm finding the FED fascinating. I know what the
FED thinks and they talk about it publicly. Wouldn't we
be better off if you guys did that.

Speaker 11 (16:29):
I think we're on probably on a pathway to do that.
We need to be careful though, because I look at
places like the UK and the US and you have
all these different members and different corners, and they fighting
their corner. They're not listening to each other and sort
of trying to work towards the best outcoming.

Speaker 12 (16:44):
What do you make of that? If you're in the market, Well, at.

Speaker 10 (16:46):
Least you know though, don't you back tomorrow at six
am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with a Vida News Talk
ZB it.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Is twenty seven past one.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Rachel says, my concern would be that my cat looks
like it's been thrown through a bush backwards, so it
would be confused as a feral cat. How will people
who are tasked with hunting feral cats distinguish between farh
versus domestic I guess Rachel. The idea would be that
your cat wouldn't be out and about in bush in
rural areas freaking havoc. Yeah, it would would be close
to your home. Afternoon, guys, I managed a large property

(17:16):
in north and three eight hundred hectares and we had
thousands of GPS plotted possum bait stations and three hundred
cat traps spread out all over the farm. The difference
in the biodiversity once we got control of the feral
cats was unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable. Cats are a bigger issue
than a lot of people give them credit for. And
the best feral cat is a dird feral cat. Have

(17:37):
a great afternoon, boys. Regards Craig. Thank you for your text.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Craig, just on that So we did some research into
what the estimates are on on how many species cats
kill feral cats versus possums. So it's estimated cats kill
around one hundred million birds, bats, and lizards per year
one hundred million, one hundred million, And that's just an estimate,
but that's the best estimate they've got. When it comes
to howenty hundred million do we have, yeah, exactly, that's

(18:03):
a big chunkies.

Speaker 8 (18:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
When it comes to possums, the estimate is twenty five million.
It's checks and eggs, So that is four times as
many wildlife species that feral cats are taken out.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Julie, welcome to the show. What do you think about
this feral cat chat?

Speaker 13 (18:20):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (18:22):
Why is it that? Ever?

Speaker 14 (18:23):
Seems the problem seems to be is fueral cats? Feral
cats or cats weren't here before humans were here. Everything
that humans touch. It's true for the humans as they
just wreck it. I mean New Zealand will never be
prejudor free while they are humans in the New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
So do you think we said cal humans humans.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Don't let them out of their house.

Speaker 14 (18:55):
I wouldn't chance, I wouldn't think that. It's just I
mean I used to help a lady feed a colony
of wildcats for a dump and one lost in particular
that we're dropped there, there was two beautiful boys. They
were Cameo and white and I called them Bill and
Ben and a tort of Shelly and white. And they

(19:19):
were obviously two brothers in a sister and they were big, fat,
healthy cats. Though you couldn't get near them. They just
sort of kept for themselves. But you know how people
could just drop them there like that to let them
fend for themselves. People think that it's cruel to take
a cat to a vent if they don't want it anymore,

(19:40):
have it you maanly put down, But they don't think
that a you know, just dumping the dumbing them in
the bush and what have you is cruel. And that
series that they had gone about about so many thousand
million cats and feral cats in New Zealand in my
eyes as.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
Just a load of b s.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
So, but when you have to pick winners and losers, right,
so if cats are out and you love the cats,
then the big losers are our native species, our birds
and bats and geckos. But also the toxoplasmosis causes abortion
storms across lambs on farms, and it's even getting into

(20:22):
the waterways and out to sea and causing problems with dolphins.
So whilst you can have your love for the feral cats,
that means that you are not having love for all
these other species. Julie.

Speaker 14 (20:35):
Yes, but as I say, it's just everything that goes
wrong is displayed on the federal cats.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, we'll think if you call Julie. Yeah, but one
of those things that goes wrong is one hundred million
deaths a year exactly of native species.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I just think a few more rules for cat owners
and you know, building up a week caddyo, is there
too much to us there? There's some responsibility there for
a cat owner to make sure.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I absolutely agree with Julie that you scumbag if you
leave cats behind or dumb cats. Yeah, absolutely, that the
humans that do that are as much of a a
cause of the problem as the cats are. Yeah. You
know you are a dirt bag if you do that.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, but you're right, one hundred million you've got a
little pole pots in your house and you don't know
about it. That is just going out in serial killing
every day. All right, we'll go the headlines hot on
our tail, but love to hear your thoughts about feral cats. O.
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to
cour twenty nine to two.

Speaker 15 (21:27):
Jus talk sat the headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's
no trouble with a blue bubble, Hong Kong Police. A
flammable building materials may be a factor, A big factor
in a deadly inferno and a multi building apartment complex.
It's still burning. At least forty four people have died,
two hundred and eighty are missing. Christ Church's Craycroft Reserve

(21:50):
has been named as the preferred site for a memorial
to this nineteen seventy nine mount Erebus plane crash disaster,
when two hundred and fifty seven people died. One person's
died in a motorcycle crash on State Highway one at
Waitepapa Bay near Caikoda. The road remains blocked. Some survivors
of torture at Lake Alice Hospital will receive redress payments

(22:13):
ranging between one hundred and sixty and six hundred thousand dollars.
An Auckland surfer is lucky to be alive after being
found by a helicopter when a rip swept in more
than a kilometer off PHR Beach in complete darkness on
Tuesday night.

Speaker 16 (22:28):
News Talk.

Speaker 15 (22:29):
ZB remains the country's number one commercial radio station, with
more than six hundred thousand people listening each week. KFC
removes creepy Hacker campaign after sixty five complaints to the
Advertising Standards Authority. You can read more at enzid Herald Premium.
Now back to Matteath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Thank you very much, Trailian. So we're talking about the
problem of feral cats and it's well known that they
kill a lot of wildlife, but a new problem that's
emerging as as topso players mosis that is causing abortion
storms on farms effectively during lambing season, and they don't
know it. In tall lambing season starts where a whole
bunch of views are aborted sadly because of that parasite.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Sounds like a terrible heavy metal band, doesn't it. Abortion storm? Yeah,
I would not listen to them.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
No, it's controversial.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
That texto about up before that said that they will
not be listening to us anymore because of what we
were saying about cats. Yes, and I said you'll be back. Well,
they've texted and said they will not be back, so
they didn't leave.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Right, Yeah, so they stayed around just to seeing that text.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I was wrong when I said you'll be back. Ye,
I should have said you'll never leave, because she still
was texting your complaining. But I's still there and they'll
still keep texting. This text to Jack says, for cats,
we need a bounty placed on them. Five dollars for
a possum, fifty dollars for a ferret, and seventy dollars
for a cat. Yeah, but then you get I mean,
have you heard of the cobra effect. No, it's a

(23:51):
famous situation in in India in the early nineteen hundreds.
So the government offered a bounty for every dead cobra.
They wanted to clean up the cobra problem to reduce
the numbers, right, send them want all those venomous snakes
and Delhi. And itended up with more cobras because people
began breeding the cobras to collect the award. Forward.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, smarter on the people.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
So if you given seventy dollars to it for a cat, yeah,
people are going to be running legal cattories, growing the cats,
killing them and delivering them for the cat yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
You're doing a lot doing that.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Is always these unforeseen circumstances with policies that seem good
on the surface.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Tony. You've got a cautionary tale about feral cats.

Speaker 12 (24:34):
Yeah, I have, go, guys, you're good. I of Seemi rural,
sort of out of the country, and we get all
sorts of possums and rabbits and whatever. Well, we ended
up hearing a cat nowling at night one time. We
sort of went out, couldn't sort of see what it
was bringing them neighbors who are quite a way away,

(24:56):
just to check to see if anybody had lost the cat. No,
they hadn't. And what we had noticed. We get on
little quails and are we getting kickos? We get everything
around our place, and we we had noticed that the
didn't seem to be the same number. Anyway, we borrowed
a trap. I don't know if it's cat trap, but

(25:17):
it was like a cage trap. Put it on our
deck and we thought we'll give it a crack and
see what happens. Anyway, we got up in the morning
owners a cat and the trap, and the cat was.
It looked well groomed. It looked neat and tidy, well fed.
It wasn't hissing at us or anything not that we PopEd.
It rang up the regional council. They said, you need

(25:39):
to take to a vet and see if it's microchipped. Okay,
that's fine, it's in the cage. So I was around.
My wife took it to the local vet and.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
They see it.

Speaker 12 (25:50):
When he got here, he said, well, we've called a cat.
We don't know if it's feral. It can the micro
chip it and they say here, that's all fine. Anyway,
the woman straightaway just decided to open the cage and
my wife did say, well, we're not sure if this
thing's feral. And they saw opened the cage and the
thing sprung out. When mental all around the vets room

(26:14):
and one of the vets it, we're crazy. My wife
got out of the room. In the end, they sort
of caught it with a net or something, I don't
know what they caught it with, stuck it back in
the cage, and then they had to go up my wife.
They said, why did you bring a feeral cat to us?
And you know I didn't. I didn't know what if it.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Was your fault you didn't know you were doing the
right chaos and.

Speaker 16 (26:36):
The victa.

Speaker 12 (26:38):
And which she did. In fairness, she did say to them,
I don't have that's such a good idea, I think
that anyway, they said, and she said, well can you
use that? No, we're not allowed to just fit nice
and they have to. We have to wait seven days
and we're not. We can't hang on to it. You're
don't have to deal with yourself, you know, go go
away or so. Anyway, she took the cat back in

(27:01):
the cage home and shot it, killed it.

Speaker 8 (27:06):
It y just it was.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
There's nothing she could do.

Speaker 12 (27:10):
She couldn't let it out. Nobody was going to do
anything with it for us. So she had to get
the gun out. And there's a nice little cat, look
at her.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
She has to kill it.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
See that's hard, that's hard. That's hard for you, your missus,
to do something like that. Imagine.

Speaker 12 (27:24):
Yeah, Well the outside of that is we're a friendly
plummet used to work for us. He doesn't, he won't
return our cause he's black, does completely and we didn't
know why. Well we found out his wife's a vet.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
This is a great story.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
The chaos that feral cats can cause to your life.

Speaker 12 (27:49):
Well, yeah, exactly right, and it is a cautionary tale.
I mean, we're sort of hunting gather of types. Anyway,
we go fishing. My neighbor's got a big property and
he's plague with rabbits. We get over there and knock
a few rabbits off that source. So when I was
a young fellow used to trap possums down and willing
to skin them, sell the skins to the local farry
and all that sort of stuff. But I don't want

(28:10):
to Just if I see a cat on my property,
I don't want to shoot it because it might be
feral and something. But some people told me, I don't
know how true it is, but they say that the
feral cats will never ever perr right. You know, we're
like I said, sit there and they're comfortable. They won't
pur right.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I heard. I've heard. I've heard tony that the noises
that cats make, they don't actually make them in the wild.
They're just for humans when they're walking around now and
they're imitating humans.

Speaker 12 (28:38):
Yeah, I believe that this cat. I say, I was
away and my wife felt this cat. She said, we've
never had cats, but we have had other cats. When
we bought our property. The lady that we bought it off,
she had five cats. Three of them lived inside, two
of them lived outside. When she moved up the road,

(28:58):
she decided to take her cats with her and said,
see a letter.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
Were the two.

Speaker 12 (29:03):
Outside ones turned up at our place again and we
tried to trap for a long time, but they were
too cunning for us. We trapped all the neighbors as cats.
We trapped about three or four cats, and I'm not
sure what happened to her was but we did see
them from time to time and they were mangy, scaby

(29:23):
looking things. You could tell they were feral, but this
particular one wasn't. So you know, if you want to
keep your plumber, don't take your vet the cat to
the vet.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
And hey, final question, Tony, the vets didn't charge you
for that Mickey Mouse show, did they?

Speaker 12 (29:41):
No, Well, they didn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
They no longer talk to you as well.

Speaker 12 (29:48):
Well, we haven't tried because we don't have an animal,
but certainly, you know we would. We believe that's what's happened,
but certainly they gave my wife a mouthful.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, well, thank you for you just as the hell
of a story.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
See feral cats, man, it's not just out in the wild.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Maybe if I get up enough courage, i'll share my
failed attempt to euthanize a cat.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
There's a lot of people asking, Yeah, I think you
need to share. It'll be cathartic. All right, that's coming
up very shortly. We'll take a quick break and then
we'll have a chat to Jeff, who reckons they're definitely
a problem. It's eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Have a chat with the lads on Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons. News talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
News talks b quarter to two. Just quickly. Tony mentioned
that he'd heard feral cats don't purr, which is a
bit of a tellte sign between a domestic and a
feral and he's quite right. So just dug into some
research and a mother feral cat discourages peering in her
kittens to avoid attracting predators. So it's all about stealth.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, and adult cats only now at humans to communicate
their needs. They don't meow at each other, and if
they hiss at each other, yeap, But they don't walk
around yowing at each other. Interesting so that's just for
our good and just an update on the text before
that said that the listener who said that that they
were leaving the show because of our supposed support of
the murder of cats, yep. And then I said that

(31:07):
they wouldn't leave. And then they text them back and
said I said that they would stay. Ye, well, they'd
be back. Then they text it back and said, I
will not be back. And then I said, well, you
haven't even left, and they said, listen, I am leaving.
I was just waiting to hear what you said about
my text. We still haven't left.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I'm loving the storyline. We've got to keep this going.
This is great, this is traumatic.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
So if you're still with us, I stand by my
statement that you'll be back.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
We'll get a lovedade on that you haven't even left. Jeff,
you reckon. It's definitely a problem the old feral cats.

Speaker 13 (31:42):
Yes, it amazes me that more people ud aware the
manner found it damage that they do around us onto
our bird life and our lizards, and how it hasn't
come to the fore a lot sooner. I think perhaps
the SBCA might have played it down a bit because
they get too many donations from the little ladies that

(32:03):
I think you're right, yeah, yeah, and you guys could
check this out. The policy from FBPA is that if
you bring it in for a Catchworld cat and bring
it into the UK and as then they'll they'll desect
it and then let it go again. So it's out
there killing a whole lot more of our eligits and
birds until it dies of old age. So something needs

(32:26):
to be done about it. Yeah, about how we how
we solve the problem. I think we make it that
if you have a cat and you ship it, that
you have to keep it in at night time because
they mostly hunt at nighttime, and then nowadays they add
them to thermal scopes and the light. If people see
cats out and about during the night time, well it's

(32:47):
our open game shoot them.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Do you think so? You think the country is just
too emotionally attached to cats for us to realistically fix
the problem, because famously the Internet and my Instagram feed,
for example, is full of cute pictures of cats. Do
you think that we have trouble, you know, separate the
idea of these cute cats with these killing machines that

(33:12):
are out and about and messing up at.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Rural areas, Oh for sure.

Speaker 13 (33:17):
I mean hopefully with education and will come around. People
realize the damageure they do. I live in the way
wrapper and we use it and we've got a big
lawn out front window. We used to have forty in
California quail. I mean, I know they're not native, but
they were nights forty of them running across the lawn
every morning and night. And they went from Grandad all

(33:38):
the way down to the new Chicks.

Speaker 15 (33:41):
And then.

Speaker 13 (33:43):
The neighbor was given a fair old kitten or it
came from a you know, it's a vial of kitten,
and they tamed it well. Unfortunately they are killing and
it wiped out the whole whole family of forty quails.
Hi hunt and I've been down in land Kaikoura is
up eighteen hundred meters in the shale country. Come over

(34:05):
a ridge and here's the wild cat. I mean they're
every were And I talked to a lot of other
hunters and yeah, they are a big problem. But to
touch on the what you were asking about topsic players, Mosis,
it's probably yeah, it's been around a long time. We
used to have a lifestyle lock in the Hut Valley
and I come from a rural background, not particularly sheep,

(34:30):
but we had about forty sheep at the time and
they were all heavily pregnant. We were down the neighbors grazing,
and then we had to new neighbors moving next door,
and they had a whole lot of dogs, but they
had about forty cats as well, and we knew nothing
about tops it plas moss or vaccinating against it, because

(34:51):
it's not something that comes up a lot. A lot
of farmers don't vaccinate against it. If you do, once
they've got the once you use catch tots it, they
will have bought and then they become immune to it.
Is by understanding, at least that's we found. Anyway, of
those forty us that we brought back gively and lamb

(35:12):
from there on the neighbors back to our own place,
and they were in the paddock next to this the
neighbors with all these cats. They had their lambs and
when they when they were born, perfect big healthy lambs,
and then all of a sudden they all started taking
it as kind of semi hill country. They were all
taking fits and stems and then rolling down the hill,

(35:34):
and we were trying to keep them alive and work
out what the problem was. And then eventually we were
told what they thoughts plasmosis. But normally they you will abought.
But because they were so heavily pregnant and not on
the property, and when they come back and they caught it,
they were that was you know, they were too far

(35:55):
gone to actually a bought. So they had the lambs.
They've seemed fine, and then next minute they were all
running around taking fits and dying. It was pretty horrific.
We lost fifty percent of.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
The landow wow.

Speaker 15 (36:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (36:10):
And another one of the farms that I hunt on.
Then on the y Rapper, he had the same problem
about three years ago with TOPSI tops players bass and
he lost I think it was over.

Speaker 8 (36:26):
Lambs.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, that is yeah, you can see I devastated. It
is for farm owners and sheep farmers.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Fifty what's the famous story that you know, what Jeff
were saying brought to mind the story of tibbles.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
Have you heard the.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Story of tibbles? It's a very famous story. This Stephen's Island,
ren So and and I think it was in the
late eighteen hundreds in the Malboo Sounds there was the
last species of you know, there was an entire species
that was on this island with the lighthouse, and the
lighthouse owner had this cat called Tibbles, and Tibbles killed

(37:03):
every single one. Jeez of genocide of the Stuart Island wren.
I think it was also called was it the lyle something?
There's some kind of rent anyway. The upshot is eighteen
eighteen ninety five, I believe something around that era. Eighteen nineties. Yeah,
so they find the species of wren, then it's only

(37:23):
on this one island. Lighthouse is put on there, lighthouse
keeper moves in with his cat Tibbles. Tibbles kills every
single one of the species. Ap expitators. Yeah, OK, they're
amazing creatures, natural born cans. Look, we've just got to
be clear here. I'm no cat hater. You put a
cat on, a purring cat on my knee, I'll stroke

(37:44):
that cat.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
I had a number of cats when when I was
a kid. Rip Peterkin, Peterkin, Peterkin, Yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Happened to p I'd even want to ask what happened
to Peterkin? What happened on your farm?

Speaker 2 (37:55):
No, Peterkin lived a right old age away.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, natural causes.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, natural causes.

Speaker 13 (37:59):
It's rare.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
On the farther right, Beckon Mo it is seven minutes
to two.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Matties Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons news Talk
send me.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
It is four minutes to two.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Liz says cats are not the problem. It is irresponsible
people dumping their unwanted animals. I live rurally and get
cats dumped here yearly, which we catch desex and feed. Well,
you're a good person, Liz, although even once they're de
sext they still can live for quite some time. Cats
when they're in the wild and do a lot of
damage to our native wildlife and bats, and and then

(38:42):
and then they're if feces can affect the dolphins, not
the dolphins, then washing storms. Should we keep this going
on after two o'clock?

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Tyler, Yeah, we've got a lot of people who want
to have a chat full boards. But if you don't
get through, keep trying. And also you have you had
to think about whether you're going to share this cat story.
You've got a lot of people want to hear it.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
My failed euthanation attempt. Yeah, euthanasia attempt. Well, let's see
nine two. If enough people want to hear this horrific
story that I'm share.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, yeah, your name, text it through. It's going to
come right Newsport and whether is coming up. See you
on the other side.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Your new homes are inspful and entertaining. Talk It's Matty
and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
On news Talk Sebby today to you.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Welcome back into the show. It is six parts too.
We're going to carry on our discussion about fearal cats
to bring you up to speed. We all know that
feral cats are a problem when it comes to our wildlife.
But farmers now facing the problem of the parasite toxoplasmosis.
So it's getting into farmland via there dropping sheep, grazing,
contaminated pasture, and often the first sign appears during lambing

(39:50):
when sudden abortion storms as farmers call it, wipe out
many lambs and it's also affecting dolphins.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
So the toxoplasmosis is pretty grim. Fiona has just takes
it through. My son is partially blind and one eye
due to toxoplasmosis. The parasite goneto a eia due to
cats pooing in the kindy sandpit. Wow, they can't kill
the power, so it just occasionally flares up and unfortunately
has left and with only peripheral vision in that eye.
That is intense horrific. So a lot of people are

(40:15):
asking what is toxoplosmosis. Well, it's a microscopic parasite that
lives and reproduces and cats and spreads through their droppings.
Humans and other animals like sheep and dolphins and birds
can catch it by accidentally ingesting contaminated soil, water, grass, hay,
or unwanted vegetables. Cats shed millions of infectious parasitic eggs

(40:36):
in their leavings. These survive in the environment for months,
contaminating land and feed. Other animals get infected by grazing
or drinking contaminated water. And yeah, I mean if human
symptoms flu like aches, fever, fatigue, swollen ganands and stuff,
so it's crazy. It can also well, look in sheep,

(41:01):
it can cause abortion storms. As we said, humans, the
symptoms are usually mild but can be really really bad
but very dangerous for preat woman and people with a
weakened immune systems and children and such. But yeah, it
can be deadly for lammies. Yeah, Terry, we're really bad
for dolphies, terrible for birdies.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Once you start going after the dolphins, clearly we've got
to come after you. As in feral cats.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
But what do you say?

Speaker 3 (41:27):
I one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
And in fact you shared last our Tyler. Feral cats
in New Zealand are killing one hundred million native birds, bats,
and lizards correct every year? Yep, one hundred million according
to doc.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah, that is crazy numbers. And to put that into context,
possums it's estimated killed twenty five million.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
But patsys just remember boys, cats also kill rats, mice, etcetera.
By removing them, you might also get increases in vermin
something to think about.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yeah, it's fair. Maybe I eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number two call.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
So we were talking about my Euthanasian cat euthanasia story,
and I think that Paul has texted through here. There's
a couple of texts here that on it that I
think quite good. Yeah, Shares says, don't encourage Matt with
his bad boy behavior, Tyler. No one wants to hear
his youth in Asia story. Just so he seems tough.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
You do you definitely want to hear this. I want
to hear it. I only know the bare bones of
the situation.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I don't think that the story about my youth aanaising
a cat makes me look tough. Shares it's not good. Hi, Matt,
Paul here, if you're having doubts about sharing your cat
youth in asia story, I recommend you keep it yourself.
You have little to gain and a lot to lose
from reputation perspective, especially with the thousands of cat loving
older people who listen to your show. Don't let Tyler

(42:44):
talk you into it. Yeah, okay, Paul, your good point.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Paul, Well, this one, this text to here is really convincing. Actually,
when we ask the question, should you share that story? Yes,
it's all you need to hear.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Man. Well, look ill, I'll think about it. Okay, Kerrie,
welcome to show your thoughts on feral cats.

Speaker 8 (43:03):
Oh hello, guys. I used to have a property in
Mount Talbert and the next to us there was a
driveway that went down to a oh what do you
call them? With a whole lot of houses at the end.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Is it a cul de sac or a No, it
was a driveway. Yes, yeah, I mean yeah yeah.

Speaker 8 (43:32):
And down down there also was this bush. It wasn't
it was more than a bush. We had trees on
it and everything. And they there were fell cats that
used to live in that bush. And I used to
feed my cats on the back porch and at feeding
time they would come up and you know, try and

(43:55):
eat my cat's food. So I rang the SPCA and
a lady came round with a trap and she told
me how to use it and what to do, and
then take them to them our local vet and he will, oh,

(44:17):
what do you call it when you fix.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Up the catan spae.

Speaker 8 (44:21):
Mutant spade years, that kind of And they covered all
the vet.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Bills, nippets, peck wheels off, that kind of thing. Yeah,
are the SPCA covered.

Speaker 8 (44:31):
All the bills FPCA. They brought me a trap and
told me to take it to my local vet, which
I did. Oh, there must have been about six to
eight something like that, and they covered all the vet bills.
Now this is a long time ago. This must be
about twenty five years ago. But I don't know if

(44:54):
they still do that practice. But I was so thankful
to them that I thought to myself later, well, if
anything happens to me, I'd like to leave a or
something for the SBC A for the help that they
gave us. So I just want to give them a plug.

Speaker 13 (45:16):
Got on you.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, did you give them any money? Do you put
them in your well or anything?

Speaker 5 (45:20):
Cary?

Speaker 8 (45:22):
No, Well, I haven't put them, I will tell you
is the truth.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, but you've given them a big up on the radio.
So that's that's a little something something for their PCA.
Thank you so much for your call, Cary.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
They are good people, no doubt about it. It's but
I one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you've got a problem with feral cats
or if you think people are getting a little bit
over the top when it comes to our hatred of
feral cats.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Love to hear from you now, I have some sympathy
for this text to hear that says that one hundred
million number is totally made up and unapprovable. So that's
the dock number. Yeah, it does sound a little bit
made up, one hundred million.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
It's it's just estimated.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
There's no doubt that that feral cats are doing terrible things. No,
but when I hear a number like one hundred million.
It's just it's a little convenient that it's one hundred million.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah, that's a lot of native wildlife to pick up
and cant to some sort of telling.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
You know what I'm saying, It's not eighty eight million,
three hundred and seventy two than one hundred and twelve,
you know, you know what I'm saying. It's just a
little bit like one hundred million.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
It's a big number. Well, here is a fact that
can be proven actually when it comes to feral cats.
So a twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one study showed
that of kia killed in Arthur's Pass in between Lewis Pass,
thirty percent of monitored kia were killed by feral cats.
So that's not a good stat I mean, it's not
one hundred million, but having almost a third of the

(46:44):
kia taken out by feral cats.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yes, So all these people are saying that you're being
incredibly mean about cats and that you're horrible murderers and
you're you're perpetuating a cat aside or whatever. Yeah, all
fear things fear, but also you're choosing winners there, aren't you,

(47:07):
Because because kias we love kas too.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Love keys. I'll take a key over a cat any day.

Speaker 8 (47:13):
What do you want?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
The feral cats are the keyas that's the question.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Cheers can be aholes, I've got to say, but the
beautiful birds. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Nine two ninety two. We're a bit late,
so we've got to play some messages. But when we
come back, we'll have a chat with Maverick very shortly.
So he's got a whole bunch of feral cats near
his property.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
You've got a problem with Ka. They ripped your card
to pieces on a on a walk, didn't they?

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah they did. Yeah, I might share that story. It's
not not quite as traumatic as you're one. But that's
coming up. Quarter bas too.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Your home of afternoon talk mad he than Taylor Adams
afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said.

Speaker 16 (47:49):
Be.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Seventeen pars too. Do we need to do more to
combat feral cats? Nine to nine to text and know?
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Text here from Great Barrier Island. Get a guys,
I'm a local and Great Barrier with a pit tamed
feral cat. My partner would die for her. They sleep
with the cat on her feet. Autopsies over here show

(48:11):
more often than not feral cats full of rats, not birds,
and not lizards. We kill three rats a night on average.
The bush and the birds, et cetera would be gone
without the cats, dock or a woke killing machine.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Oh, shots fired, woke killing machine. It's not something you
ever hear. That's a terrifying concept of Hi, I run
a trap Oh, hang in a minute, what's this? This
one here? Sorry, Hi, I run a trap line having
caught cats, rats, hedgehogs, doats, mice mainly, we all know
predator free by twenty two thousand and fifty as a joke,
as is one hundred million birds killed by feral cats.

(48:43):
Where do they get these figures from the same place
where there's seventy million possums we have had for fifty
years regards art, now, a lot of people are calling
into question that hundred million, so they might have overshot
the mark with that. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
It's a big number.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah, this person says, this is a load of Gareth
Morgan rubbish, pathetic cat hate. This what a load of crap.
Rats and birds are the biggest predators. Math was blaming
hedgehogs for eating Kiwi eggs and then found it was
actually owls. Easy to blame those that you don't like,
isn't it Leave the cats alone, catch and re home.

(49:20):
That last guy sounds like a load of crap. Toxoplasmosis
is it even real? Whatever? Never known any animal or
human to get this from cats, But possums pea everywhere,
and their pea is surely toxic to animals and humans alike.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
There's a lot of claims made in that dex, a
lot of claims. I will push back on birds being
the worst predators in New Zealands. I mean, how many
owls are out there? And I think they prefer mice,
don't they? Lovely? We mice for an hour more pork?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Well, your Kiwis are going after the roots, shoots and leaves,
maybe the odd that's a joke, isn't it that one?

Speaker 5 (49:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Classic Kiwi? But also the worms.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
But we'll get rid of them then, you know, we
love our worms. Maverick, you've got some problems with feral
cats in the bush behind your place?

Speaker 12 (50:06):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (50:06):
Yes, and no, before I give them. The feral cats met.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
You listening, I am yes.

Speaker 16 (50:13):
Good.

Speaker 7 (50:14):
Have you received my book?

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I have not yet. I've not received it. You've seen
it too, okay, because you initially seen it to four
Graham Street, but it needs to be two Graham Street.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
Is that right.

Speaker 7 (50:25):
I've seen it before.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's gone to chorus upstairs maybe Maverick.
They're probably perusing it right now.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I'll send out a I'll send out a searcher.

Speaker 7 (50:37):
If you can't find it, let me know. You've got
my phone number.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
YEP.

Speaker 7 (50:41):
On feral cats, I live in port Way, Kado on
the river, not far from where it is out in
the Tasman, and the feral cats are awesome in one way.
They munt all the rats and mice on the riverside.
You know, they're down there all the times, cleaning up.
And occasionally you've seen them across the road and they've

(51:02):
got a big rattle mice in their mouth and feeling
very proud of themselves. And all I'll say is if
you feed them, they will not kill anything.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Well if you if you feed the feral cats, they
won't take out the native wild birds.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
The reason I say that is that I've got a
neighbor who's got three domestic cats, and the feral cats
come down and help themselves to all us dishes out
in the debt. And they are so tame and so loving,
and they're all black, you know, beautiful cats in a
lot of ways, and you know, just oh hard.

Speaker 17 (51:44):
No.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
Nature is a beautiful thing. And when they're said, like
all of us we need to eat. If we don't eat,
we die, and they're the same.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Yeah, well that's right. I mean, if it's the Sigfreed
and Roy argument, isn't it with their big cat Like,
if Manticor is full and hungry, then he won't eat Roy.
But then one day Manticor did eat Roy.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
He did.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yeah, it was pretty too. That was horrible, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Then you know they're little, but they're just little versions
of the big cats, yea, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
You're went over some with whiskers, but not all of them.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Matt's this, Chris is Matt. The problem is serious. Your
conversation is sick. Stop making jokes about cats. And Tyler
stopped laughing in agreements. Chris.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Well, look, if I find it funny, I'm gonna laugh.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
It is a serious problem, though, Chris, So we'll take
it very seriously.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah right, they're going to be serious
from now on. Well, we've got the cat conversation going up,
and then we'll get back to Larican this a little
bit later on.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yeah, all right, Okay, it's really Tyler's fault for laughing
at my my terrible joke.

Speaker 17 (52:50):
No more.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
I'll stop laughing full stop, not just on the show,
just in general life. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
As teachers say, stop encouraging it.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah, it's twenty two parts two. Oh, you're going to
tell your story. You're still thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I'll tell my story quickly.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Okay, that's coming up. Twenty three parts two.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Mad Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty eighty on Youth Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Hey how are you?

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, good.

Speaker 16 (53:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
A lot of your callers are sort of sidled most of.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
It, but they are.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
They are a pest and fire As I'm concerned, like
they can carry diseases and what have you, and far
as I if you're a cat owner, you're so concerned
about these ferret cats, I think you should get yours chipped.
So then like that one of your previous call. They
take them to the vet. I'd I hope the technology
improves somehow they can skin they actually can scan them.

(53:43):
But you've got to hold my head. One a few
years ago there was a domestic cat, but I actually
took it to the vet and there was had no chipped,
nothing in it. So that's actually quite hard to find
out where they're actually owned by somebody. But it wasn't.
It wasn't. It wasn't a Ferreit cat. It was just
a yeah, someone hadn't chipped it. But it's up to
the owners if you don't want to get to the

(54:04):
situation when someone's gonna shoot it or put it down,
get them chips. They can track them down if not
been sorry to say, is you know you can't have
them running around because they do, you know they do.
We got one right next being. Now we've got some
little we sparrows. I think in our nest. Who's our
nesting right now? There is a ket little cat next door,
little kitten. They do what they've got to do. And

(54:26):
he's up in the tree. And then my neighbor said,
so he's lucky chasing the avenue tree. Now he's got
a wire eything. You want to save the little wee ones?
Are they just in their nest? He's doing a beer.
So basically, yeah, look after your pets. And if they
are feral, it's a feral cattle dog. Sorry to say,
Like you've got you've got free range chickens and out

(54:48):
there on your farm. You don't want them hanging around here?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah, sorikins, you know, if the fear get rid of them,
kill them all Okay, So many people ask for my
attempt to euthen as a cat. All right, very quick
with that, okay, Okay. Driving along the suburban road in
Aukland one day when I come across this cat and
it's been hit by another car and it's poor phone
and its eyes hanging out, and so I pull over

(55:12):
and it's a horrible scene and I'm like, what do
I do with this poor cat? It's in pain, terrible.
So I get out of the car and I stand
in front of it and I'm thinking what to do.
And then within about thirty seconds is about three or
four other guys standing around me. So other people have
pulled over, and a guy, a couple of guys in
their garden have come out and we're standing in a
circle and going, oh, what are we going to do?

(55:33):
And there's a bit of there's a bit of a decision.
And then one of the guys, Matt, who knew me
from my various broadcasting, said, handed me a shovel and
said euthanase it. And I was like me, yeah, you
the shovel. He said, I don't know. He said euthanise it.
And so I went, okay, I guess I should euthanize it.

(55:56):
And so I picked up the shovel and I tried
to take the cat's head off with the shovel.

Speaker 15 (56:01):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
But so I came down on the cat's head with
the shovel, and the cat jumped up and ran away
and under a and under a car.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
And then and I was like, oh, okay, well this
isn't great. This has gone terribly And so then a
friend of mine pulled up and she goes, Matt, you're moron.
Take it to a vet. There's a vit one hundred
and fifty meters away. Take it to a vet. And
so I was like, oh, okay, that says she's better
than trying to youth to naize it with a shovel.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
To be fair, it was the guy with the shovel salt.
He handed you the weapon and says, right, do the
right thing.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
It was kind of a would you jump in the
lake just because someone told you to a situation. But
I was panicked. I was I was full of empathy
for this poor cat. So anyway, I take it to
the vet and I hand it over and then and
then the person cut the vet comes out about ten
minutes later and says to me, sorry, we're not going
to be able to save your cat. We're going to
have to put it down.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
So that what a beautiful thing from the vet. But
you'll be thinking, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
So we got we got the cat put put down.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Well you did the right thing, mate, I mean, that's
a hell of an experience to be put into. Yeah,
but you did the right thing.

Speaker 12 (57:08):
Well.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
The lesson for that is, a cat's head does not
come off easily with a shovel. Okay it doesn't. I
just thought it would just nip off and the cat
would be out of its misery. But no, the cat
jumped up and had a last leaf lease of life.
But then it got put down.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Lesson learns, I hope.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah, you pay for that though, So I was the
real loser in this whole situation.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
WEPSA for today.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
All right then, okay, then I've shared that story, So
let's finish this topic up. It's been a great chat
over the last week. While New Zealand's feral cat problem
isn't going anywhere, is it, Tyler? No, certainly, And it's
not going to go anywhere until we treat them like
any other pets pests. We need to classify them, properly,
control them at scale, and stop topping up the wild population,

(57:50):
because as everyone keeps texting in, it's the feral humans
that keep dropping the cats off the in the wilderness
that is the problem, isn't it. It is, But the
bigger problem is that they're cute, and we've got a
bit of a soft spot for the acute little whiskers
and stuff. So it keeps getting in the way of
us doing the right thing around feral cats because we've
got the lovely domestic cats. So I imagine this is

(58:11):
a problem. It's going to continue on for some time.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
We haven't solved it here today, unfortunately, but thank you
very much to everyone who called in texts coming up
after the headlines with Raylene want to talk about empty nesters.
Great story in the Herold about a woman who's become
an empty nester and it hasn't gone that well for her.
But we want to hear from you. How did you
adjust the empty nester life.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
This Texas says Matt, You're damn lucky that it didn't
come out and say that the cat needs intensive care
and it's going to be in hospital for weeks and
the final bill is going to be ten thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
You would have screwed there. They would have paid it.
You would have paid it.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
That's a good point. Yeah, But then I had to
put posters around saying with the cat, saying because it
was someone's cat obviously man. So I needed to talk
to the people whose cat it was and said what happened. Yes,
it was rough, traumatic. It was an emotional time for me.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Headlines with Raylene coming.

Speaker 15 (58:57):
Up, Jew's talk said, be headlines with blue bubble taxis
it's no trouble with a blue bubble. Christ Church's Craycroft
Reserve has been as the preferred site for the nineteen
seventy nine mount Erebus air crash disaster. Memorial State Highway
one between Kaikoda and Blenheim is likely to be closed

(59:19):
for several hours after a fatal motorcycle crash. One person
died in the crash at Waypapa Bay. A woman's died
and a man is critically injured in Australia, both thought
to be in their twenties. After a shark attack off
the New South Wales coast early today, firefighters in Hong
Kong say fires at a massive apartment complex that have

(59:40):
killed at least forty four, with hundreds not accounted for,
will take all day to fully contain. Three construction company
executives have been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter. The Commerce
Commission has published its draft regulatory framework for gas pipelines
to limit how much companies can charge consumers and sets

(01:00:00):
minimum service standards. The average household bell could increase about
two dollars a month from October next year. Cancer battling
manager among workers left waiting for pay after Ponsonby beauty
clinic put into liquidation. Find out more at enzid Herald Premium.
Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Thank you very much, raling just before we get onto
the topic of empty nesters, a ticks here, which I
think makes a fair point. Matt. Any chance that you
hit the cat's collar, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I'm thinking about that now. And when I tried to
euthanize this cat with a shovel, So this guy was
just a bunch of muppets of us standing around this
cat not knowing what to do, a bunch of guys
doing gardening, a couple of us that are pulled over.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
But pure empathy. You needed to solve this cat's problem.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
The cat was lying on the road with his eye
hanging out. It was horrible. Yeah, it was terrible. But
once I tried to take its head off with the shovel,
the guy that gave me the shovel, he said, I
didn't mean I mean hat it with it. So he
had meant that I would hit its head with the
shovel flat, not trying and nip its neck off.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Why didn't he do it himself?

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
So that's maybe why I hit the collar.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
It all started with that guy headed you to the
shovel one it was his shovel, you do it, and
said no, not that way. Well come on, mate, you
put me in a difficult position here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
It was horrible. And then as I said, the cat
jumps up runs off under the car, and I'm like, oh, no,
it was the cat. Fine, I mean obviously it's I
was out. I'll show a picture. I took a picture
of it, but this was quite a few years ago.
But yeah. The then next thing, and I'm at the
vet and being told by a very sad vet that
they're going to have to put my cat down.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
My cat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Yeah, yep, right, let's get onto this one. This is
a good story. So we want to have a chat
about empty nesters. But a story in the Herald where
a woman has written in to ask for advice. She's
recently become an empty nester, and here's just a little
bit of it. So she loves many things about the
kids finally moving out, so she's got peace and quiet,
she's got a full fridge and the karma routines. But
the one massive downside that she's found, and she didn't

(01:01:53):
expect it, is now that it's just her and her husband,
she realizes she doesn't actually enjoy being around her husband
as much as she used to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
It's sad, very sad.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
So we were sort of discussing this briefly before, but
the way it happens as you meet someone, you fall
in love, you spend time together. You have this whole
romantic period of your life when you're quite young and
you've got different priorities. Next thing you know, you have kids.
You get in the trenches for several years and the
whole things around just getting through bringing up the kids,
and that family kids move out. You suddenly look around

(01:02:26):
and see your partner and you're like, who's this person
without the kids? We sort of don't really have anything
much in common and we've changed. And you're like, now
there's just the two of us in the house, and
I don't really like that person. Yeah, it happens a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
It'd be a big transition because if your life revolves
around raising children and that comfort and a bit of
chaos of having a very busy household, you're quite right.
Then you've got to look each other and think, Okay,
well now we're going to join a club or something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Well everyone knows that.

Speaker 17 (01:02:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
When you have kids and then you spend time out
with your partner, all you do is talk about the kids.
You go, oh, we need to get a special night out,
so get a babysitter. You go out and then you
sit a restaurant talking about the kids. It happens all
the time, and so when the kid's gone, you don't
have anything to talk about it. Yeah, you know, it's
it's it's a big thing. But just generally the empty
nest situation is, as you know, it's a big change

(01:03:17):
in your life. And I think one of the biggest
changes is when do you decide that your kid's bedroom
isn't their kids bedroom anymore and it's now a computer nook.
I mean that's that's an early two thousands.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Expressions like that computer it's just spare room. Yeah, man, cave,
maybe you want to turn it into a we music room,
reading room.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Yeah. So you know, how do you how do you
transition out of your kids kids moving out and just start,
you know, a new life in the in the house.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that under call?
How did you find the adjustment to becoming empty nesters?
And to Matt's question, when do you decide to change
their rooms so they no longer your children's room anymore,
they're now the spare room or as you said, the
computer nook.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Yeah, it's got to be a timeframe. There's a nostalgia
to it, isn't that? Because you know, I've got a
son who's just moved out to go to university. Turns
out universities doesn't go very long. University is a very
small bart of the year. Yeah, so he's moving back
and you go, well, so do I just keep a
fully operational room for you for whenever you want to

(01:04:18):
move back in. The answer when it's me is yes, yeah,
because you know I'm keen from to be around as
much as he possibly can, because you know, I'm a
sentimental type.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
It was an adjustment for you becoming an empty nester,
wasn't it. And that was that was one job.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Yeah, I still got the other one there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Yeah, yeah, see a half empty nesting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
But all of a sudden you realize that, you know,
as your kids are teenagers as well, that you've been
living with a couple of chaos agents in your house. Yeah,
so is it just a bit quiet when your kids
move out? You know, be a hard adjustment? What's what's
the transition? And do you look around and how do
you how do you repatch your relationship with the other
person in your life now that it's not centered around

(01:04:54):
the grind of bringing up kids.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Oh eight hundred the grind and the joy of bringing
up kids, and nically said, oh, one hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number of cool? Nine two nine two
is the text number that adjustment to empty nest to life.
Love to hear how you did it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
You are sick and you discuss me? How dare you
tell that cat's story? There might have been children listening
to that. That's from Judy. Well, kids need to know,
kids need to know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
That it happens to us all in some stage.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Yeah, it's a hard lesson of life.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Yeah, yeah, I think that we would have helped some
kids hearing that. Ethan Asians THO twenty to three back
in a month, a fresh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Take on talkback. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams. Afternoons, have
your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
They'd be very good, afternoon. She it is seventeen to
two three.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Horrible picture, wasn't it? It was a horrible picture of
that cat. And now you see why I had to
try and euthanase it with a shovel.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
You did the right thing, though, mate, You know you
can just leave it there, but yeah, that was out
of the photo. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We're
talking about adjusting to empty nest a life after a
story in the Herald where a woman who's become an
empty nester found that once the kids were gone, she
didn't really like her husband nine two ninety two is
the text as well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
I enjoyed every minute of bringing up my kids, are
now enjoying every minute assisting bringing up the grandkids. Go
Roys Brandau.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Von or Yvonne. Sorry, how are you right?

Speaker 17 (01:06:14):
I'm fine.

Speaker 18 (01:06:15):
I feel sorry for that lady. You meet somebody, you
fall in love, you marry, you have a great time.
You have children, and to me, children are I think
on a cake. You can have a fruitcake without icing.

Speaker 19 (01:06:28):
And when the.

Speaker 18 (01:06:28):
Children left home, we got back to doing what we
did before they came on to see and at my
priority and I believe this was we put our spars first.
The children came second. We gave them, we said we
felt they needed, We did what the best we could
in our terms of bringing them up. But we never
lost sight of each other. And to the point, every year,

(01:06:48):
without side, he took me away for at least a
long weekend without.

Speaker 12 (01:06:52):
The children nice and preserved our marriage.

Speaker 18 (01:06:56):
And five years ago I lost him. I'm now eighty,
so I had them for sixty years.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
I'm sorry to hear that, but Jack, there was a good, beautiful,
happy time that you guys had together. When the kids
moved out, Did you keep their rooms for them?

Speaker 18 (01:07:13):
No, they got they left home. They got married, right, and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
So that and that once once they left home, that
was that they couldn't come back because they come back
and because I mean when I first moved home, I
was always going back and grabbing cans of baked beans
to eat and such with it, because they're a period.

Speaker 18 (01:07:26):
Of in the early days, I had a boss that
taught me the children are not allowed to treat you
like a house keeper and treat your home and be
at home like a hotel. So when they leave home,
unless they left the city that they were living in,
then they could not come back willingly. If they changed
cities and superstens to change, yes they could come back.

(01:07:49):
But both my children married.

Speaker 12 (01:07:51):
From their home.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
I think do you think that's probably changed a bit
in recent times, Yvonne. There you hear about the boomerang
kids and they might move out, but they come back
for a little bit of time, or they still you know,
it's the apron strings aren't cut quite as cleanly. They
might drop the laundry off. Do you see any problem
with them?

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Yes, there's no way I'm doing my kids laundry.

Speaker 18 (01:08:14):
Me on, if you bring them up to the self
sufficient enough, they shouldn't be coming back with their laundry.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Yes, right, So you know, the best parents bring their
kids up to be competent. So you send them out
into the world, and by the time they leave home y.

Speaker 18 (01:08:33):
House, I was their mother.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Clearly you love your dear husband, and that's wonderful, but well,
I mean adjustment. There must have been a bit of
adjustment there to going from a big, busy, loud household
with kids and then it's just you and your husband.
Did you have to think about, you know, new hobbies
you were going to do? What did you already have
that sort.

Speaker 18 (01:08:52):
Of help all the way through? We had shared interests
and we had individual interests, and I maintained those all
the way through. Some of them my children shared with
us or our children.

Speaker 8 (01:09:04):
Was ring.

Speaker 18 (01:09:07):
My daughter and enjoyed going to pet shows with me.
I was never and still I am, a breeder of
pets and enjoyed going to test shows. I like going
with my husband and he goes fishing. I could certain
read a book while he's been fished. So he got
piece of flights and me yet bring an idios.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
To me.

Speaker 12 (01:09:27):
Marriage is life and broidery.

Speaker 18 (01:09:28):
It's something you work at. You come together, you go apart,
you come together.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
It's wonderful. I mean it sounds like you know you
didn't need a plan because you already had it sorted out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
But yeah, I mean it is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a wonderful thing to hear. Yvonne, thank
you there are very much for giving us a call.
O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Henry? How are you mate?

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
Good, a good thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:09:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
I was just calling in regards to that lonely letter
we just listen to. And I don't know, I always
feel like my doors will be open for my children
because you never know what to expect and anything can
happen and they might need to come home. So I'll
you know, I'll never close my doors to any of
my kids.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
But do you leave you when you're say not close
the doors, do you do you leave a room ready?

Speaker 5 (01:10:18):
For them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
So depending on how many kids you got, is there
just a place ready for them to come back with
all their stuff?

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
Oh, I got blow up beds and that that'll be
suffice until we figure out which room they want to have.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
So you wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
Yeah, I always believe to have yet to have at
least a blow up bed or something just in case
something you know, I don't expected happens. They lose a job,
their partner have a falling out. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
And I was a boomerang kid, you know, with mum.
I was in and out after various jobs and living
in different regions. So I was one of those kids
that came back and Mum always had something was somewhere
for me to sleep, even if it was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
On the couch.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
But do you reckon you'd maintain their rooms for them?
Once they say they left home at for university at eighteen,
would you still keep their room ready to go, just
as they had it for when they may decide to
come back.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
No, No, but I would probably store the stuff in
the garage so if they didn't decide to come back,
then they can rearrange their room back to how it was.
But no, definitely, that night that room would be changed.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Over Henry, do you have a when the kids moved out?
Were you still with your partner the mother of the children, Yes,
and so how did your relationship How did your relationship
change once the kids were gone? Did it back and
pre kids sucks?

Speaker 7 (01:11:33):
What's that?

Speaker 5 (01:11:34):
No, we didn't. We turned into big sucks and we
soaked that we didn't have our kids at home. And yeah,
we found it quite hard when they left because it
was quite.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Boring and at least a hole, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
Yeah, yeah, it really does.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
And you sort of wonder what you did because before
you have kids, you walk around thinking that you don't
have any time to do things, and when you have kids,
you go, what did I What did I do with
my life? Because kids take up nearly all of your time.
So I imagine when they go away again, you like
suddenly got all this all this time.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
There's fits so much is good because then you know,
we were able to focus more on our well, my oldbies.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Anyway, it's a big part of you put purpose though,
isn't it. I Mean, look, I'm not a parent at
the moment, but I imagine your kids. You know, you
talk about purpose in life when you've got kids in
the household, that is arguably your sole purpose is to
make sure they're okay while they're there.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
Yeah, yeah, well that's what you know. The purpose of
life is responsibility. That's what I read somewhere, and I
family believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
What about when your kids come home they dump the
washing and then they clear the cupboards out and then
head out of it. Because I feel quite guilty about
when I first moved out of home because I didn't
quite get the concept in my head that it wasn't
just basically a hotel. I mean, my dad saying to
me quite a lot, this isn't a hotel, and we'd
have arguments and say, yeah, it's not a hotel. I
don't pay, but what I didn't. But you know that

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when the kids come home and they're still kind of acting,
they just dump the laundry, empty the cupboards, and then
head back out with hardly say anything. I mean, that
stuff hurts, doesn't it. Did your kids do that, Henry?

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
Oh, they do, coming and help themselves into the cupboard,
but they know that there's certain foods that that's Dad's
foods that you don't touch that. So everything else is
see a game. But laundry. No, they do their own.
If they come in with their laundry and then yip,
by all means use our washing machine. But yeah, no, no,
I don't touch that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
You're good, Yeah, you're a good dad, Henry. Thank you
very much. Oh eight one hundred and eighty, ten eighty.
If you've recently become an empty nest to how's it
gone for you? You're loving it or did it take
some time to adjust? Nine two nine two is the
text number.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Hi, guys, my husband left. When my youngest child left,
he had a woman already ten years younger than him.
Terrible at the time. But I'm okay now do you Jane?

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Yeah, that is a hard adjustment.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
I mean if you your partner moves out with the kids,
and that's a whole different scenarios.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
That is horrible, right, nine to three, taking more of
your calls on eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 15 (01:14:04):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Very good. Afternoon to three, we're talking about the adjustment
to becoming an empty nesta. How did it go for you?
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Uh Shane, how are you mate?

Speaker 16 (01:14:18):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, God, I had I had visions of
my place being like the Waltons. You know, I didn't
want the kids to shift out that well, they all
shifted out and they got partners and some got married.
And but now I've got six adults living at home
and I've locked up four greends living at home.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
So they all came back.

Speaker 7 (01:14:41):
Yeah, they came back.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
They came back and they bought more.

Speaker 16 (01:14:44):
People they had. Yeah, well we were probably would have
more grandkids of stuff happened. But we've we've got a
seven bedroom place, we've got six bathrooms. You know. It's
but the thing is, this happened all five years ago.

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They shifted in and and now I'm having second fourth.

Speaker 12 (01:15:12):
It seemed like a great idea.

Speaker 16 (01:15:14):
You know, my oldest is forty two, the youngest is
with thirty five, so you know, and they've got their
partners there. They look, they pay rent. They do pay well,
more like board. But one thing is, as they all
went to the mother to thought that out, they didn't

(01:15:37):
come to me. Mum was quite soft on how much
they were to pay.

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
So Mum and I.

Speaker 16 (01:15:47):
Mum and I are now having to play the lion's
cheer love everything. And you know if you say, oh,
look we need more money for this, you know some
some go off, but you know we can't afford that. Well,
some of them are actually earning more than we. I'm retired.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
When she next when your next board negotiation, Shane, I
think you need to renegotiate terms.

Speaker 16 (01:16:14):
We do need to renegotiate.

Speaker 7 (01:16:18):
But then that can that can end up in big ballistics.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
I think your problem Shane is that you've got seven
bedrooms and six bathrooms.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Yeah, they get the sweet deal. Shane. You know you
can increase the board a little bit, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
It's a bit of a sort of a trap there. Yeah,
you know it certainly is sex bathrooms. That's impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
That's good times.

Speaker 15 (01:16:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
We're going to keep this going because we've got a
few people on the line waiting to have a chat
with King do here. Your experiences are becoming empty nesters?
What was the adjustment? Like O E one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two
nine two is the text? New Sport and Weather on its.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Way talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Be Afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show seven
past three. Great to have you with us as always.
And we have been chatting about empty net because it
was after a story in the Herald where a woman
wrote and asking for advice. She's recently become an empty
nest of four kids. They have flown the coup and
sees she loves many things about being an empty nest,
to the quiet house of full fridge, the karma routines,

(01:17:22):
but she's not enjoying being around her husband anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Yeah. So, yeah, when your kids moved out at its
strengthen your relationship or exposed cracks in it. Have you've
got your kids there, are you fearful about them moving out?

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
I mean that's the thing with me. I loved I
love every second of having my kids around, so I
don't like the idea of them moving out at all.
So when your kids finally moved out, was it freedom
loaningness or was it a bit of both? And yeah,
what was the weirdest bit? The silence, the mess disappearing.
We'd love to hear from you. Eight hundred and eighty

(01:17:58):
ten eighty. Now we've got a text here, haven't we. Yeah,
we love that we need to address.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Yeah. So the text is, I don't know why I
bother texting. I spend a fortune over a year texting
you two clowns. Even Mike Hoskin reads my occasional texts.
I'm over it is that from us?

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
That is from us. Mars is great New Zealander and
a great man. And I love his texts, yep, and
I read them and he brings me a lot of
joy every day, even if I don't even if we
don't read them out and Mus, we get thousands of texts,
so sometimes we miss yours. But when I read them,
they're nearly always good.

Speaker 12 (01:18:26):
So to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Have you got can you go back and get like,
how about you read the last of three last three
texts from Mars out that's a great idea.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
So Mus, your money is not wasted, hear my friends.
So he is a text and related to the topic
we're talking about now from muzz it if and sucks.
When your kids move out, you spend seventeen to eighteen
years being the keygiver, friend, mentor, uber driver, chef cleaner, nurse,
counselor to your kids, and then you basically have to
create a new life without them. I don't like it.
That's a great text from mus that is beautifully written. Actually, yep,

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the on Mars.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
We should have read that one out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Yeah, yeah, the one above that we should shoot all
dogs under fifteen kilo because they aren't dogs. Yeah, a
bit more full on, muzz, Yeah, slightly more full on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Well, my dog Colin ways nine point five kilos.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Oh, you can't take Colin out. Colin is the best
of us. He's good, he's a good boy. He's a
good boy Colin.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
But he is catlike.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Yeah, yeah, he's a handsome And the one before that,
and this one's addressed to Kerry, so sees Kerry, if
anything happened to you, everybody loves you. So that go
fundme page would go ballistic from MUDs. So you're right
on that everyone does love Kerry. Okay, she is a
very lovable person.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
So I agree with two out of those three texts.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Maybe one more.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
It's cougars that are damn dangerous, Carrie. So I don't
know what type of cougars, hopefully the animal But there
you go, MUDs. So hopefully that remedies it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
We love you, Yeah, we love receiving your texts. Raven,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 20 (01:19:51):
Yeah, hi hi.

Speaker 19 (01:19:53):
So our story was our down to just the youngest
at home and my husband said, realizing that we're going
to we're going to be it shortly, and he got
on trade me and found as a couple of bikes,
and he didn't really talk about it with me too much,
but he's just like, I reckon we would enjoy this,
and then suddenly I'm being told to come and try

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out a bike. So we got these bikes and we
really enjoyed it, and we're really thankful that we got
into that because it did give us something to be
talking about immediately. We've always maintained our relationship. But the
youngest one actually left suddenly because his brother had a
space in a flat and out of the blue, he

(01:20:35):
just said, oh, my older brother needs me as a
flat bote a year later and we didn't have to
get any warning on that one, and so off he went.
But they we had our bikes and we booked to
do the Alps to Ocean, so we hitded down country
and did the way. Techi Valley was our first big
ride and we've just gone on to enjoy ride since then.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Are these bikes Raven?

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
No, Well, we.

Speaker 19 (01:20:57):
Started it on both muscled bikes, but after a few
years I wore my husband's patience out and he got
me an EE bike.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
So he's still pumping the pedals. But you're an EE
bike now to keep up with them. Yeah, that's it, lovely.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
How good are the e bikes though, Raven? I mean
game changing?

Speaker 15 (01:21:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:21:16):
Nah, that awesome. But I also want to mention about
the boomerang thing. Our kids boomeranged quite a bit when
they're at UNI, and we kept their rooms, but whenever
they came home, you know, you're part of the family,
so your mow and lawns, you're doing dishes, and if
you're living here for summer, you get a job. And
if you can't find a job, we've got a mate
who's got a few rentals that needs painted, so we'll

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give you one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
You know, Wow, how many kids did you have, Raven
at home? At the peak of kids at home.

Speaker 19 (01:21:45):
Three three and over the UNI years the three of
them were back here and we kept their rooms. But
the deal was if you come home to stay over summer,
that you find work, and they always did.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Yeah, it's surprising, how you know when your kids move
out for YUNI. It's this surprised me because one of
my sons moved out for UNI this year. That UNI
only seems to go for a very short amount of time.
It's true, they're not really moved out. It's sort of
on holiday. Really, that's kind of more like a school
camp than it is an actual moving out.

Speaker 19 (01:22:17):
Yes, I could understand that. I do feel with this
lady who's saying that she isn't enjoying her husband's company.
But I think a relationship takes work, and it's not
just about Hollywood falling in love myth. But you've got
to work at it and keep finding those things you enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
So do you see it kind of as three stages Raven?
So you had the initial courtship and romance part of
your relationship, and then there's the kids part, and now
you're rebuilding a new thing. But it's different from the
previous two things.

Speaker 19 (01:22:49):
Yeah, but strangely, we might be a bit weird, But
we always thought that the mum and dad, the husband
and wife, were the primary relationship, and those kids came
into that relationship. The best thing The best thing parents
can do for their children is to love mom, and
for mum and dad to love each other. That working well,
that gives them huge confidence in life.

Speaker 16 (01:23:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
It's a good example as well, isn't it, you know,
for them going for I remember when I was a kid,
my dad would always sit down at the table for dinner,
and my dad would always say something before he started eating,
something nice about my mum. He'd be like, I don't
think your kids know how lovely your mam is. Oh
that's or something like that. He'd always start before we
started eating with a really lovely compliment to my mum.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
That is beautiful.

Speaker 12 (01:23:34):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Yeah, what a good dad you've got.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Yeah, he is a great man.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
I'm going to take note of that. Yeah, I'm definitely
using that when I become a dad. That is beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Hey, thank you so much to be cool, Raven, And
I'm good luck out there on the bike tracks.

Speaker 19 (01:23:48):
Yeah, looten forward to it when sud were coming.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Ah, yeah, yeah too, Right, what a great caller. Thank
you very much, Raven. Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you've recently become an empty nester, how did you
ad just to that?

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
New Life.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Love to hear from you, Matt and Tyler love the
show as I paint my day way. If you're growing
up kids are still coming home to get their laundry
and to raid the pantry, then you have failed as
a parent and need a good tasering simple. Your job
is to get them ready to live on their own
in the world. I mean, they're always welcome in times
of trouble. Yeah, yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Yeah, but what can you do and what's the level
of trouble? You know, I talk about the boomerang is.
I don't know if I was really in trouble. It's
just that Mum had a cheap place to stay in
good food as long as I didn't take them mick
too much.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
So I'll push back a little bit on that around
the food because I used to come back and raid
the cupboards, right, But then I'd go back home about
ten years later and the be cans at the back
of the can cupboard that had not been touched for
ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
So you were doing them a favor. Yeah, I was
just helping them out with their can proper.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Helping stock get through the system, you know, helping them
rotate their foodstocks.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten Eightyes that number to
cool love to hear from you. It's quarter past three.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Used talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Seventeen pass three becoming an empty nest to how hard
or easy was it? Four oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Call Charie, Welcome to the show. Tell us about your
situation eighteen.

Speaker 17 (01:25:17):
First time caller, been dying to say that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Welcome, Thank you.

Speaker 17 (01:25:22):
Our story is not two to similar to Ravens. I
loved her chat. We had three children after trying for
many many years. We had three children very close together,
in fact, only sixteen months apart. So when they got
a bit older, our daughter went off to UNI, and
then the year later our twins went off to UNI

(01:25:43):
as well, so it was a mass exit sort of,
all in a bit of a quick succession. I had
a bit of a bit of a mountdown and missed
being a mum. We both had very stressful jobs, so
in the end we decided that we were going to
sell the house. We bought a new caravan and we
decided we were going to travel around New Zealand for

(01:26:03):
the next twelve months ended up being fifteen months, and
we loved every minute of it and it was great
stress relief. We caught up the kids along the way,
We threw them down to us so they could have
Christmas with us when we were in christ Church, and
it was just an amazing reset and giving up stressful
jobs and readjusting to just us being a couple again,

(01:26:25):
with us and the dog, traveling around New Zealand seeing
what a beautiful country. This was the best thing that
we did.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
How good? And that is really testing things, isn't it
getting in a small, confined area together.

Speaker 17 (01:26:37):
Absolutely, But we were best friends long before we got
married and we've kept that now for twenty eight years.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
So did you did you completely get rid of the
house and only have the you know, the mobile home,
or did you have a home and a mobile home
or just the moment we wow.

Speaker 17 (01:26:54):
Just the mobile.

Speaker 16 (01:26:56):
Yep.

Speaker 17 (01:26:57):
It was literally like are we going to do this?
We sat down, we worked down a budget what we
needed to do. We both gave up our jobs, bought
from house, bought caravan.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
And hit the road.

Speaker 17 (01:27:08):
We've come back now and we've settled again and with
water what we call our little tiny home, but it's
spoken up off. The kids come back and stay for
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
You still got the cambra ven, you still got the
mobile home.

Speaker 17 (01:27:22):
We've downsized, they're going to downsize it. We've sold the
big one that we're living in and we're going to
get a motor home.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
How big was that stay?

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
How big was the one that you moved into for
fifteen months?

Speaker 17 (01:27:35):
It was a It was a leisure line shout out
of leisure line, A leisure Line sixteen four, So six
four must be nearly thirty feet. They had a double
bed at the one end, bathroom, toilet, share, washing machine,
you shaped lounge at the end. All you needed. And
it was amazing to live like that and realize how

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little you actually need in life.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
So was that was it a sort of a trailer
kind of situation or was it?

Speaker 21 (01:28:02):
Was it a.

Speaker 17 (01:28:04):
Full on caravan?

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
And the way we went, I'm just having a week. Look,
it's a nice kitchen for a caravan.

Speaker 17 (01:28:16):
Absolutely. I baked a lot of bread and scones and
cooked meals and all in there. Just yeah, they are amazing.
And we met some wonderful people along the way as well.
And like I say, we were able to fly our
kids down for in the Christmas holidays from Uni down
just being Christmas with us and stuff as well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
So around what were the rules around your husband using
the facilities?

Speaker 17 (01:28:42):
Fair question, It is a fair question. No, he he
was allowed to use them, but the preference would be
when he used the camp for.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
We were sheard facilities.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Please. Yeah, I was in a camp in a mobile
home sort of situation recently and that that became a
bone of contention.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
But I still care about that from other players of play.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Because because of the close quarter's nature of things. But
I'm just looking at I'm just looking at the leisure
lines six seven four beautiful, beautiful setup. Yeah, so you go.
It was kitchen room for a double bed, and you
know that's yeah, that's that's the.

Speaker 17 (01:29:25):
Opportunity to have a walk around bed. Don't underestimate that
because you're climbing in and out of your partner. That's
probably the divorce, being able to get around and in
and out your own side. Having a full sized fridge,
seed to go off grid with the solar on top. Yeah,
it was.

Speaker 16 (01:29:41):
It was perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Do they have an on suite? I'm just trying to
look in the we main bedroom here. It looks like
is there a little sink to the side.

Speaker 17 (01:29:48):
Yeah, so that's a little that's got a toilet to
one end, vanity in the middle, and shower on the
other end. And the shower you can set tooth and
got great pressure. Got an outdoor shower so you can
shower them faster, dog or the sandy feet when you're
coming from the beach.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
So yeah, what what happened after the fifteen months of
roaming around that made you decide that it was time
to you know, settle down again and get your tiny home.

Speaker 17 (01:30:15):
As you said, Well, our daughter and her man decided
that they were getting married, so we were like, okay,
now we need to pay for a wedding. And basically
we're not retired. We're still a few years away from retirement.
So we had set ourselves at budgets for the year
to do that. So we called it our gap year.

(01:30:38):
We never traveled out of season when we were we
were we didn't do the bit owe to Europe, and
you think when we young, we just did smaller trips.
But so this was our gap year, and we always
knew it was capped at twelve months for financial reasons,
but yeah, I could do it again in a heartbeat
if I had a way of off funding without showing

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through all of your capital.

Speaker 18 (01:31:00):
But you can pick do it and pick.

Speaker 17 (01:31:02):
Up jobs along the way if you do it within
the seasons traveling around, do the cherry picking down and cromwell,
oh nice fruit seasons. So there are there are jobs
that you can do while you're down there.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
Yeah, yeah, great, some Blenham and stuff like that.

Speaker 17 (01:31:18):
It's not a bad lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
I'm a little bit surprised that you expected to pay
for your kids wedding. That's a bit of because because
I always think about my kids. It's like, you know,
they both had their braces done. Now, so I've paid
for that. You can, you know, get them through UNI
and all that kind of stuff. But when they go
turn up and go I mean, did they was there
a quest for you to pay for the wedding or
did you just offer?

Speaker 17 (01:31:41):
Absolutely not. She's her daughter. We spent her very long.
It took me a very long time to come a mum,
and so these kids were I've always said that our
responsibility from the moment they are conceived for the moment
I die, and that's not necessary to say they get
a hand out everywhere. But we went we told them

(01:32:04):
they had to save something towards it as well. So
unfortunately for her, her fiance had their parents paid wedding
for so we ended up going pubs and the other
parents with the other parents and our daughter and her
fiance put in a large sum of money as well,

(01:32:24):
so that they were contributing, so it wasn't all on us.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
And how was the wedding? Was it a beautiful wonderful day?

Speaker 17 (01:32:33):
Yeah, it was a beautiful day. It was over in
the Tree the Tree Church in a place called Ohalpo
which was in the White Shadow, and it was a lovely,
lovely day. And she fortunately didn't turn into a bridezilla,
which was always arrested. She looked lovely and her dad
walked down the aisle and her brothers and I stood

(01:32:54):
at the top there and just watched them walk down
and it was just it was lovely. And so her
partner then was now just part of our family as
she is with their family.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
How good, what a beautiful venue? Just said to look
at it, stunning.

Speaker 17 (01:33:07):
Oh it is done, absolutely saying, And the hosts are
just absolutely superb people. Yeah, very welcoming, full of lots
of information, Sony.

Speaker 8 (01:33:16):
Young brides go and do it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Good on you well, thank you so much for bringing
in and sharing your story. How dare you? Matt says
this text. It's usually the wife that creates the nasty
pongs in the chemical setup in the mobile homes. It's
not the husband's dang it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
I don't think it's a gender thing. There's there's one
one person who takes it too far, and in the
incident you're involved in, it was you, Matt Heath. But
thank you very much for those texts. Keep them coming through.
A nine two ninety two back in a mow, we're
talking about empty nest adjustments. It's twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
Past three, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty on youth talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Twenty nine past three and we're talking about becoming an
empty nest. How big of the adjustment was the adjustment
for you? And did you have plans in place for
where the last kids flew the coop? So to speak?
O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. A couple of texts coming through on nine
two nine two. This one giddy guys, My eldest moved
out in the morning. My wife had the computer and
office set up by the afternoon, and I dragged my

(01:34:23):
electronic drum set out of the shed and put it
in the mezzanine above. The next day. If he comes back,
he'll just have to sleep on the floor. Good times
from Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
This is a good point. This all starts when they're
fourteen years old. They start distancing themselves from you. It's
not just when they leave. They've already left before they leave.
That's true. They do start getting you know, if you've
done the right job of bringing up your kids, then
they start to get more and more independent as they
get older. Yeah, so that you see them less, don't you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
It's a gradual thing rather than all at once were
at the band aid off.

Speaker 8 (01:34:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Yeah, they start and they out a bit long before
they leave. They're just sort of a sort of six
foot four sort of presence in your house that sort
of comes and goes, blunders and opens the fridge. You
know what's funny is when you go back to your parents'
house for years and years and years, and I see
that with my kids. As soon as you walk on
the door, you automatically go and open the fridge instantly,

(01:35:17):
because you're just programmed to walk into the house and
open the fridge and see what's in there to eat.

Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Still to this day, if we're coming home for Christmas,
Mum will buy extra cheese because you know, is the
first thing I do, grab the block of cheese and
cut it off.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Thanks mom, Mary, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
Oh we just lost her.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Mary's lost. Actually sorry Mary, and sorry everyone. We've got
to go to the news headlines.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, but that was a great discussion. Thank
you very much to everyone who text and called on
that one. Coming up after the headlines. It's tomorrow Black
Friday sales. You can't escape it. It's everywhere. And I
know there was something you were roing up, Matt for
your Black Friday sale?

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Absolutely. How do you feel about Black Friday? Is it
a real thing? Do you you excited about it? Are
you embracing it? Do you think it's just some kind
of tricky, dicky thing that's imported from America? Of course
we don't have Thanksgiving here, No, So what do you
think about? What do you think about Black Friday? One
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number? Nine nine

(01:36:17):
two is the text?

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Headlines with rolling coming up back very shortly. It is
twenty nine to four.

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just after two. A fire is still burning at a
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(01:36:48):
worst since the nineteen sixties. It is killed at least
forty four two hundred and seventy nine others are unaccounted for.
Police suspect gross negligence and have arrested three construction company executives.
The Minister in charge says Health end Z is too
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(01:37:09):
bosses to present a devolution plan by the end of
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dust devils that regularly roll across the planet. Meet the
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You can see this and more from Society Insider at
Zaid Herald Premium. Back to Matteth and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Thank you very much, Ray Lane. So tomorrow is officially
Black Friday in New Zealand, and you can't really turn
around without seeing a Black Friday advert this week, And
it obviously was important from America, but it's picked up
speed among retailers since first immigrating over here more than
a decade ago. So we want to hear from you.

(01:38:09):
Is this a big thing for you to actually find
proper good deals in Black Friday? No doubt about it.
In America you get some incredible deals, so to the
point where it almost causes riots when they went in
outside to get a TV for a buck. I just
don't know if you see those sort of same deals
in New Zealand. I'm sure there are really good deals
out there, but wait, you see a level.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
You're seeing forty sixty percent deals out there. An yeah,
I mean my phone's just firing up with Black Friday
deals that are coming through and it's really blown up.
I mean, how recently did it start blowing up in
New Zealand? Has it been about five years?

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
It got imported from America ten years ago it started
in New Zealand. But you're right, it's really ramped up
in the last five years, and I think more than
ever this year. It is one of those things that
retailers need to lean heavily on because it's been a
tough year, tough year for retailers. So something like Black
Friday comes along if they can get more people through
the doors ahead of Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Well, this Texas is Black Friday is awesome. Why doesn't
people like Why doesn't people like paying less for stuff?
These people are claiming about what if you want something
and it's cheaper, what's the problem. Whereas this Texas says
we are not America, we are in New Zealand. Wait
until Christmas, you gouls. I don't get there, So what
do you mean, wait till Christmas? So Christmas is a
totally different thing. So Christmas is kind of the opposite.

(01:39:24):
So leading up to Christmas there's not really sales. If anything,
things are full price up to Christmas. So this is
a little blast of sales before you hit December when
things go full Christmas because the retailers know that people,
a lot of people need to buy and spend in
December for Christmas, right definitely, so they've got guaranteed sales there. Yeah,

(01:39:45):
you know, up to a point if they've got good products.
But Black Friday, my understanding is that this is just
a retail blast and maybe it's a way to clear
stock yep, leading it to Christmas. I don't know that
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
I think it's a way to reward people who are
onto it when it comes to their Christmas shopping, rather
than people like me that leave it kind of till
the last day. But can you hear from you on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty I've purchased something with
the old Black Friday sale? What was the saving? Really liked?
You get into it? And is it just crazy in
some of these stores that are offering I will say
I went into pebe Tech earlier in the week and

(01:40:19):
they started their Black Friday sale a little bit earlier.
It was chaos, absolutely chaos. At nine o'clock on a
Tuesday morning. I think that was the first day of it,
and I didn't realize because I needed to pick up
some speakers for the barbecue, and I felt for the
staff man. It was craziness. There was people ripping things
off the shelves, but there were some good savings.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Black Friday started in New Zealand around twenty thirteen was
when it started first being pushed, so it's been over
ten years since it's been in New Zealand. In twenty fifteen,
the Warehouse Noel Lemmings and Harvey Norman were the first
major stores to offer Black Friday sales, so it's been
around a while. By two thousand and eight, they were
joined by Farmers, JVI, High Fi, Briscoes and Rebel Sport. Paymark,

(01:40:57):
which processes around seventy five percent of New Zealand's electronic transactions,
recorded two hundred and nineteen million dollars of transactions on
Black Friday in twenty seventeen, up ten percent for the
previous years, so it's been growing and growing.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
Yeah, if you get fizzed up about Black Friday, give
us a call. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty,
or do you think it's just a load of nonsense
and you'll wait till a little bit later in the
year to get your Christmas shopping done. Give us a
bars nine two ninety two is a text number. It
is twenty one to four.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons us
talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Be It is nineteen to four and we're talking about
Black Friday officially on tomorrow. Sumer retailers have started at
a bit early. You're fizzing up about Black Friday? Or
is it just marketing nonsense?

Speaker 15 (01:41:43):
I e.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
You idiots in New Zealand spending your money on Christmas.
We go in on Boxing Day and get presents. So
silly to celebrate on the twenty fifth. Why just give
presents on the twenty seventh and save money? So dumb? Well,
hang on a minute, but Christmas is Christmas, so you well,
are you gonna go to see your kids? You get

(01:42:06):
no presents just so we save money, We're gonna We're
gonna have presents on the twenty seven out.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
I'm as sooly as they come. But even I wouldn't
go that far. I wouldn't say now, just you just
got to wait a day until I get a sweet
deal on Boxing Day and then you can get your
Christmas present. No, no, I'll be laughed out of the family.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
Yeah, that's that you're missing the spirit at Christmas. There
is that the Grinch must be. Have we got Are
you green? Are you green and hairy? Do you live
up a mountain with a dog, because because that's grinchy,
that's a that's a grinchy, grinchy attitude. And look, Santa
will come anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
Yep, Santa wolves always come because.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
Sander's up the down the chimney on the twenty fifth mate.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
Yeah, exactly, So you don't need to worry about it.
It's good ticks kidday. Guys. You know it's a lot
of nonsense when Walworths is doing Black Friday deals on broccoli, broccoli,
broccoli Black Friday special on broccoli at Woolworths. Oh hey,
come on, will worse? You can do better than that.
You can't just be having a discounted broccoli on Black Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Well, broccoli is the superfood, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
I love broccoli, but is that the best that they've got.
They're just gonna have a Black Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
I mean, well it might be broccoli and other things,
it might not just be broccoli. Yeah, how much off?
How much off broccoli? And by a bit of.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
Double check what their actual Black Friday dea was? You know, like,
if it's twenty cents for a head of broccoli, then
I've laughed done fairly two bucks each.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Get okay, get someone from broccoli for Christmas tomorrow and
put it in the stocking, saying broccoli two dollars. Yeah,
that's a good deal. Actually, two broccolis for two dollars fifty?
Is that a Black Friday sale at or worse?

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
So that's a saving of a dollar fifty. It's not
bad percentage wise.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Two heads of broccoli. I've got a problem with brocoli.
What do you do with the stork?

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Oh you eat it? You finally, well you don't finally
chop it, but you put it into little slices, the
beautiful and then roast them up.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
The sticks is really yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
If you're not done that, you don't throw away the stork,
the little end of it, so you just right on
maybe a centimeter ride at the bottom. Cut that off
because it's too dry. So then you get into the
juicy stork. And then you just thinly slice it into circles, yes,
and then just put it on to a baking sheet,
roast that up. They like broccoli chips. They're amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
How good?

Speaker 8 (01:44:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
So good?

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
Are they called florins the end of a broccoli?

Speaker 8 (01:44:29):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Good question?

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Florens?

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
No flores's are the actual the tree like part of
the broccoli. That's the floress, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
Yeah, So what I'm talking about is what I do
is I just cut down there through the tree branch type,
and then all the broccolis bits that, and I use that.
But and then i'mhipping that bloody stalk out.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
Mate, you'll waist you're wasting the goods here broccoli chips
like an idiot. Honestly, give it a crack. Oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
if you found a good deal. Love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
I use Black Friday as a market in which to
get all my shopping done. Then it's all sorted, and
I have three quarter weeks leading to Christmas in which
I spend my time drinking beers at the beach from
Charles Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
So yeah, this one see is, guys, I swear it's
been Black Friday deals for the last three Fridays. They
start earlier and earlier the old Black Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
It's a week.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
Yeah, it is a minimum. Yeah, gooday, guys. I did
get an email from AMP saying they we're having a
Black Friday day sales. So even insurance companies get in
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
Yeah, right, Well, I'm just looking at the window there
and the Herald's got a Black Friday deal for signing
up for subscriptions.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
It's a good deal.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Get onto that. So the newspapers are doing it. Yeah,
is that seventy five bucks or something for the year.
I'm not sure I should be careful of Wait, the
billboard just outside of windows.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
Yeah, don't give out too good of a deal.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
I'm currently looking at John O, Ben and Meghan. Now
I've got a bit of Whitney Houston. I just wait
for a second. I'll get met you on that. Cases.
I tell my teens to find things they want for
Christmas at the Black Friday sales. I purchased them, put
them away and then get them out of Christmas it's
a fantastic way to save money.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
That is good. Oh, e one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call on this one. Great broccoli
stalks into the soup. See you you've been wasting your brocoli?

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Man, superfood are like great as in gr ate?

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
And to what soup?

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
Just broccoli soup. I guess it all turns out the
same way in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
Ah, that's a disgusting center joke that someone sent him.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
We might read it out.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
They might have to sent her a little bit, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
Taking your calls on O eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty if you've got on the Black Friday bandwag and
love to hear what you've actually purchased and whether the
deal was actually worth it or is it just a
bunch of marketing nonsense? Nine two nine two is that text?
It is fourteen to four, the.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 5 (01:46:51):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Very good afternoon to you. So Black Friday will be
officially upon us tomorrow, but most retailers have been offering
the discounts for the last week or so, and Auckland's
busiest shopping destinations are bracing for a surge and traffic
ahead of Tomorrow's Shopers have been urged to plan their travel.
With malls like Sylvia Park and Newmarket already beginning to
clog due to the early kickoff of those Black Friday sales,

(01:47:15):
so at has even come to the party here. They said.
The city's top shopping hotspots and the surrounding streets aren't
expected to begin to clear until after Christmas. Many major
events and afterwork celebrations will also be putting extra pressure
on the roads, so it is clear that some people
are getting pretty excited about the old Black Friday sales.
I couldn't think of anything worse than being in a

(01:47:35):
mall like Sylvia Park when you've got half of Auckland
in there. That is pure hell. That's the ninth circle
of Hell for me.

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
You love it well, I love it. Leading up to Christmas.
I think a big part of Christmas is just going
into the hurly burly of shopping malls and shopping when
everyone is out there. I find it hugely uplifting that
everyone's going out. I see all these people walking around
buying presents for their loved ones, and it feels me
full of joy. So I like to be out there
in the throw of it. I think I amer that

(01:48:04):
into the thrust of it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Yeah, I am a mess of grench when it comes
to that sort of stuff. There's quite a lot of
people actually texting about broccoli, funnily enough, because you mentioned
that you never eat the actual the broccoli stork. Matt
tip for keeping your broccoli fresh. Cut a bit off
the stalk, then put it in a container with water
in the bottom and refrigerate. Keeps your broccoli good for
a few days. From ken what So, you got to

(01:48:28):
chop the stalk off, just that little bit right at
the bottom, then chuck it in a container with a
bit of water, because you know it still gets thirsty
even though it's been chopped off. Yes, and then it
will keep it fresh apparently in the in the refrigerator
for a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Oh yes, it's better living. I can't involved with that anyway.
This business his Jeremies has just bought some cast iron
sixty percent off last week. This week it is on
Black Friday sol for forty right, so is it?

Speaker 8 (01:48:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
Well, so it was a six it was sixty percent
off and outstand to a forty percent off.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
See that's the problem. That's why I can't trust a
lot of these Black Friday deals. Is I just have
a funny suspicion some of these retailers they wait for
something like a Black Black Friday, then they'll drop the
price and not tell anybody, and then once Black Friday hits, well, no, sorry,
they raise the price. Then when it gets to Black Friday,
they'll drop it down and everyone thinks it's a discount,

(01:49:23):
when in reality, what they've done is they've just raised
the price just before, so it looks like a discount.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
But it Isn't there like consumer laws around that that
you can't There has to be a reasonable price that
it's come down from. Can't they get stung for that,
I'd hope. So, yeah, weare house today, forty three inch
smart TV for three two six down nearly two hundred dollars.
I might buy one.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
That's actually a good deal. It's forty three inches, a
little bit small, but it's a good deal.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Next says A better idea with block rely is don't
eat it. Well, you won't like this Black Friday sale.
It were worse where you can get two bloclies for.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
Two dofty, shame on you. It's a saving of a dollar.
Fifty oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to cool guys.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
Boxing Day sales will be going up very soon.

Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
Yeah, yeah, don't worry if you missed out on tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
I'm an artist and I'll be cleaning out the studio
with old artworks tomorrow. All on my Facebook page. Black
Friday Sale Zerrah cart dot coat.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
And go check her out. Yeah, if you want to
plug your business, come on through.

Speaker 16 (01:50:20):
Ben.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
You've got some deals you've got your eyes on.

Speaker 21 (01:50:24):
Yeah, yeah, I noticed you. The oil is getting a
bit dirty, so yeah. See it's about two hundred bucks
scorel and a filter from you and one hundred bucks
rip at them.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
It's a great deal. So they clean your wheels and
then change your oil.

Speaker 21 (01:50:39):
Did you say then the filter and oil?

Speaker 6 (01:50:43):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Right, see that's good. So there's all kinds of Black
Friday sales on. It's not just frying pans and Christmas
presents and broccoli broccoli. You can also get oil.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
Yeah, exactly. Some good teachs coming through on nine two
nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
The Black Friday sales started literally three to four weeks ago.
Why on earth would you go to a mall tomorrow
Half of the stuff is sold out by now and
won't be getting any cheaper. Well really, you know, well
that's just that's a that's a an a good way
to look at things.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
Yeah, this one says, going to goes hunting and fishing
to rapa have a twenty percent of Stony Creek. Say
I went to the counter on got charge full price,
had to don the discount applied after walking out and
looking at my receipt. Happened twice during these sales. Sneaky,
uh Roger, how you doing, mate, I've.

Speaker 20 (01:51:32):
Got a deal going for Unfortunately we didn't get it
ready for Friday because it's a machine, but it'll be
ready for Saturday. We're doing I suppose a black Friday. Saturday,
we're opening a d Yo dog washing machine Anita Bourne
and there'll be a lot of a lot of free
dog washes going mate on there there there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Like do yourself, do it yourself wash. So you've got
like the tub and then in the hose and that
kind of thing.

Speaker 20 (01:51:59):
Yeah, it's got warm water and you push your button
for shampoo. And conditioner and flea treatment and and then
you got a dog a blow dryer, dry down if.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
You never use it are amazing. That's so good.

Speaker 20 (01:52:11):
So we're going to be there at Eastbourne's by the
pool there behind the old towader block and it's opening
and a lot of free giveaways for dog watching on
Saturday morning. Pretty most of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
He goes Roger lower Heart. That's a black Saturday dog
cleaning Eastbourne and Wellington. See, whenever I got to clean
my dog Colin, he just senses that we're going to
wash him and he hides under the couch. He just
gets this vibe that he's about to be washed, and
then you can't find him.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
Chiefs to physically pick him up and just chuck him
into the shower.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
So I might take him down a lower heart.

Speaker 16 (01:52:41):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
That brings us to the end of the show. Thank
you so much for listening everyone. As always, we've loved
our chats today. The podcast will be up in about
an hour. The Pool Homes Poor broadcast of the Heather
of Doopla See Allen will be up next. But right now, Tyler,
why am I playing this song?

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
I got no idea, I don't know what the song is.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
It's love Cats for the Cure, because we talked about cats, oh,
killing feral cats, and how people don't love the feral cat.
What a great choice.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
What a great choice? Sounds like a good chune.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Anyway, you've seem busy, so we'll let you go and
talk tomorrow afternoon. Give a taste of Kiwi from us.

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
Love you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
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