Full Show Podcast: 28 April 2025

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Hell you, Great new Zinalds, And welcome to mattin Tyler
Afternoons podcast number one hundred and twelve for Monday, the
twenty eighth of April. Fantastic show Huge. I've changed the
name of it from the Mett and Tyler Afternoons to
Matt and Jerry Afternoons because I think it rolls off
the tongue. It got totter, and so that'll be the
name of the show going forward. Had some interesting chats

(00:38):
about meetings with celebrities, and we'll give you the skinny
on whether King Charles's hands were fat like sausages in
twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yep, I think you'll be surprised by the answer to
that one.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Apart from that bunch of great AI chat that went
to a really interesting place and I enjoyed that. So
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Speaker 1 (01:06):
Big stories, the Baker issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 4 (01:15):
Be.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well, good afternoon to you. Welcome into the program. Good
to be back after a bit of a break it
I met.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, a lot of people have been had a little
bit of a break haven. They Yeah, it seems to
be a lot of people out and about. When I
was traveling around the country holiday and I was in Topaul,
What a beautiful town that is. Also I went to Corimandeltown.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Did what was going on in the Corimandel.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I got some mates that have a place up there.
It was beautiful. Have you heard of the Driving Creek Railway?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I have not.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
So there was a sky called Barry Bricknell. Barry Brickle
who was a potter who decided that he wanted that
he needed to get clay from his property and you
know it wood down to run as kilm to do
his pottery. This is good, So he started building a railway.
And then he decided building a railway was incredibly cool.
So on his property he built ten bridges, three tunnels.

(02:08):
This this big railway and you can go up and
you can you can ride around on on Brickle's railway.
There's little stations that he's made and at the top
there's this thing called the Eiffel Tower, which is this
big tower that's look.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
It's through beautiful native bush by the looks of it.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Oh yeah, he replanted a lot of the native bush.
But he's smashed this railway together with just basically his
hands and old bits of you know, old mining you know,
bits of iron from old mining places that he bought.
And some of the retaining walls are just wine bottles
and beer bottles smashed into the retaining wall to have it.

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And you know he's buried on the on the track.
Actually when you go past, you wave it as little
his grave that he built for himself.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
It is one of the coolest things that I have
ever seen, and I feel ridiculous that I've never heard
of it. So Bury Brickle, the story is incredible. If
you ever go to Coramandeltown, you've got to go to
the Driving Craig railway. It is. It is cool because
it's a story. When you're on it, it's a cool railway.
But the fact that this guy just ran around, this

(03:15):
crazy old potter ran around basically in the nude. Apparently
he was in the whole when he's doing it fair
enough to smashing it together and building all these viaducts
and bridges that are really high.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Incredible legion gets throng on around, but that man certainly
is a legend by the sounds. I have a look
at the video. Looks incredible. And as you know, Matt,
I had to go down back to christ Church to
hire a box truck to get the rest of our
stuff and do the trip back up north. And we
made it. Clearly, we made it without too many incidents.

(03:50):
But I've got to say I've got a new found
appreciation for truckers because this bear boy. It was pretty
good for most of the trip, but going up hills
were sluggish.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
An your partner told me you crashed it into the
house when you got home.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, I said, I said, a little incidences, but yeah,
so no accidents until we got and can I say,
we're down the end of a long driveway and my
partner got out. We were doing everything right, so I said, Maeve,
just watch all the four corners of the truck for me.
Just tell me watch one's closest to the fence or
the other person's house. And she did that to be fair.

(04:25):
But the part that hit the house was the top
of the truck. I forgot that. It's about four menths high,
so right at the corner of the house, and I
was going about two k an hour, so I just
felt this way.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, the three dimensions of a truck can be complex.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, if the landlord was listening, it's all Good's we
got no damage, no structural damage, but we got there
Saturday days. It's all good. Right on to today's show.
After three o'clock a very fascinating post by Robbie Williams
on Instagram, and he effectively said that he struggles when
people come up to him and ask him for a selfie.
He struggles worth a bit of social anxiety from time

(05:03):
to time. He was in the US at this point,
and he mentions in the post he's not sidered famous
in the US, but even on this flight he'd got
approached about four times.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
It's very compelling because your first reaction to something like
that is to go your famous, suck it up, what's
the big deal if you take a photo? But when
you read his story, you kind of start to understand
his point of view. So we want to talk about
should you should you go up and hassle famous people
for a photo?

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, you know, yep, that's going to be a good chat.
After three o'clock, after two o'clock, what would you be
okay with AI taking over? A great story in the
Herald today about AI being utilized in therapy, but it
goes much further than that.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, it's pretty good at therapy, apparently, according to this
argument an article. I mean, if it's really serious, they
still claim you should go to a real therapist. But
apparently AI therapy is pretty good.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
But it's also been claimed that robot surgeons will be
as good as human surgeons in a few years, and
better than the best surgeons within five years. This is
a claim that's being made. How comfortable would you be
with a robot surgeon? What about flying the pl flying
a plane not an autopilot, but you get on an
international flight and it is completely flown by AI, robot

(06:17):
or robot taxis. What about a ROBOTAXI taking your kids
to school? Because all the stuff is coming, But how
are you going to feel about it? For me, for
some reason, I think that surgery is a step too far.
I want a human to do the surgery on me.
But then again, you know famously some surgeons enjoy taking
myth and fetamine and huge amounts.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Robots don't do that.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
No, they certainly don't. That is after two o'clock and
keen on your thoughts on that then. But right now,
let's have a chat about compulsory military training. Matthew Houtson
has penned an opinion piece in The Herald arguing that
the introduction of what he calls universal military service could
provide social, economic and fiscal benefits alongside increased defense investment
that is currently being made.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, that's right, military service and a sort of what
he's describing and slightly tongue in cheek what he's saying,
but it got me thinking. He's suggesting an outward bound
style training with military basics but focused on personal development,
and he believes it might help with New Zealand's persistent
underclass issue. You know, there's a huge economic drag and

(07:22):
a link to crime with a specific which military service
could help address. And additionally, a a trained population would
boost resilience against natural disasters as well as the military thing.

Speaker 7 (07:35):
But it is.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Interesting how useless we are becoming. So I was talking
before about Barry Brickle, I throwing together that that rail
line amazing, human, incredible, incredible, that generation could do anything.
Look at Bruce McLaren. I watched the McLaren movie Over
the Over the Break for another time, the great Roger
Donaldson movie. McLaren and all his mates could throw together stuff.

(07:58):
They are incredibly competent people. We are not competent. We
have we're bringing. We are getting less and less competent
at the basics. And that's that's just assuming that our
life will continue to be the luxurious, luxurious pleasure dome
that it is now. But terrible things can happen. And
maybe you might push back against compulsory military service, but

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surely you should be training your kids to be able
to survive in difficult circumstances.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
It is fascinating that we live in an age where
whatever you want to do, whatever information you need in
your life, you can find it very easily. It's all
there on the internet to find if you want to
figure out how to do a bit of plumbing, if
you want to figure out how to sort your car out.
But you're right, for some reason, maybe it's too much
information that we're being bombarded with. All our kids are
being bombarded with that they can't figure out what is

(08:48):
actually practical what's not. Whereas this would narrow it down.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
We are soft, spongy and useless. We're sitting just scrolling
through absolute rubbish on our phones. We watch people doing
impressive stuff, but we can't do it ourselves, and so
maybe universal military service would be a way to guarantee
that our population was at least vaguely practically competent going forward.

(09:14):
It would also foster national unity and social cohesion, according
to Matthew Houghton, combating social media driven division, and it
would probably strengthen cultural integration as well.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
So if we're talking about a year of universal military
service for everybody to undertake over the age of eighteen
from this day fourth, then that's not a huge commitment,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, it wouldn't even if it be a year, it
could just be three months. It could be So it
got We came back in nineteen forty nine, there was
a referendum and there was a huge, huge positive response
to it, and the referendum got past easily landslide right,
But then it was removed in I think it was

(09:58):
in nineteen fifty eight. Compulsory military training was abolished, but
there were fourteen weeks full time intensive training.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, we could do that right, I'd be into it. Yeah,
And that's easy for me to say, because I don't
think I'd be rustled up to do a bit of
universal military training. I would have jumped at the chance
at eighteen.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Has anyone ever heard of someone that's been on the
outward bound courses and not come back and said it
was the most positive thing for their life, or someone
with kids. These kids have been on the outward bound
and have come back and said, oh, that was terrible
for my kid. I'm really annoyed that they went off
and did all those practical things and learned how to
be a proper human being that can actually function outside

(10:36):
of their bedroom.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, spot on, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Do you see any fish shooks
with compulsory military training? Is it a good idea for
us to look at it?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Well, this text from Walks that starts off haha to
really today's muppets doing CMT. Yeah, dreaming they couldn't change
a light bulb let alone, load a mag and shoot
a high recoil rifle. Yeah, well maybe that's the point.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
That's how you start to change it, when you get
them into a military style training academy. Then they'll start
to figure that stuff out.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Surely the problem is that the muppets. We can't imagine
the muppets doing it. That's exactly the reason why we
need some kind of something like this. Anyway, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty a year again or a
year four.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
It is sixteen past one. Back very surely you're listening
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Speaker 1 (11:24):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 3 (11:33):
Good afternoon, nineteen past one, and we're talking about the
idea of universal military training, compulsory military training, if you will.
Matthew Houghton, well known columnist and PR expert, pend to
piece on Antiic Day, saying we should absolutely look at
doing that.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
And looking at him actually walking around, he could probably
do with some universal military service. But what he's describing
here is more of an outward bound style training with
military basics but focused on personal development. Surely that would
be a good thing. Surely competent young people that have
experienced more than just their phones would be would be
a good thing. But what do you think oh one

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hundred eighty ten eighty eleanor welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (12:16):
Hello, good to see matt In Tyler. I went into
the UKLI when I was only seventeen. I not close
off my eighteenth Thursday. It was a bit impulsive at
the time that I was into my sport and I
started a course at college which wasn't the right course

(12:38):
for what I and wanted to end up being, and
I didn't want to be working doing a really dumb
drop job. I thought it would be a good opportunity
to just go and see the world a bit and
develop some skills, and that's exactly what it gave me.
I have absolutely no regrets that a couple I've picked

(13:01):
out as a potential officer pretty quickly and I ended
up seconded to the Royal Military Police, the Red.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Cats, and I had a whale of a.

Speaker 8 (13:15):
Time on EXCI. I learned how to parisond, I was
taught how to scubadized are free. I played unlimited amounts
of squash and badminton, as well as running and stuff
like that, so I stuffed up my needs and all
in all I saved a lot of money and was
able to buy my own house before I was nineteen,

(13:37):
did you.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Choose to go and do this? So this was volunteer.
You volunteered at seventeen Coast to do it.

Speaker 8 (13:44):
But I don't think that I don't think that it
would do anybody any harm, having experienced it myself. And
this f was back in the day when sargents shouted
at you the whole time. But I look around nowadays,
I am older, and I look around, I'm still working.

(14:07):
I'm older, and I look around at people when they're
wearing all these full nails and the full silashes, and
I think, oh, you wouldn't love them.

Speaker 9 (14:15):
They love it.

Speaker 8 (14:16):
You know you haven't got a clue. But I think
actually learning how to well getting fat, learning how to
look ass yourself, getting a job based on having an
exemplary army record is a big thing any of the sources.
If you've got an exemplary record when you come out,

(14:39):
it's like having a big kick of approval against your
name as being honest, hard working and innovative and the
way you think. You do a lot of problems solving,
you do a lot of team buildings stuff as well,
And I think there you develop heats of skills which
are just so useful, whether you're going to go on

(14:59):
into university or whether you want to go and do
a trade, become a trade, whatever you do. Illinois so
many different skills.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Illin said, before you know, you see some people and
you go you wouldn't be able to handle it. Is
there some people? Because we're all talking about it, it
would be great if people were all forced to do
military training outwould bound type course. But is there some
people that would just not get anything out of it
at all? That they're too for the want of better
the world useless and it would it would just not

(15:29):
work out in any positive way for them.

Speaker 7 (15:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (15:32):
You look at some of these rebility TV programs, not
that I've ever watched the whole of one beat. You
see somebody getting shocked with insects and not being able
to have a shower every day on some sort of
island somewhere, feeling cold and hungry, and actually they come
out of it and they've changed by the end of it,
and they don't what they've done.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, well exactly, So a lot of people that would.

Speaker 8 (15:53):
Have medical reasons not to do it. Yeah, but I
think even have got ADHD and some sort of hit
on the spectrum could actually benefit a lot from it.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, well think so much for your call, eleanor well,
what do you think do you think there's some form
of universal military service or compulsory military service along the
lines of an outward bound training course with some military
basics would be a good thing to bring in. I mean,
it'll be a hard one to get across the line,
so we're just talking hypothetically here. I mentioned there'd be

(16:29):
a lot of pushback on it. Yeah, it'd be hard
to get elected, hard to get the young person vote
going into an election.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Do you need them though? Now it's over eighteen.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
They're too soft and squishy. They will never turn up
and vote.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
This is a good text here. Hey, guys, do you
know what McLaren and Bricknell probably couldn't do? Clear cash
or copy a r L. Resourcefulness has been redefined. I
work with a wide demographic. A young, soft, squishy staff
pick up technology and new skills easily. Our older staff
are resource resilient and have many qualities, but also their
skill sets are becoming increasingly redundant. Side note. I am

(17:04):
all for compulsory military services. I believe the tech experience
gain there will be useful in today's workforce. Love your
work guys. Welcome back from Stacey.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Oh thanks for your text taste, Stacy. But I would
say that McLaren and Brickle, like say Brickell for example,
talking about has driving correct railway to I mean he
built ten bridges and three tunnels and a full railway. Yeah,
I reckon you could probably he could probably poney up
and work out how to clear a case or copy
you are RL.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, yes they can two attitude that I think can
be missing sometimes.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
I think you could probably reper repurpose him to do that.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call compulsory military training. Yay or nay. It's twenty
five past one.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (17:52):
Christopher Luxen is, will this ACC and ACT and Mary procurement?
Are you up on this or not?

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (17:57):
I haven't been briefed on the ACC is.

Speaker 10 (17:59):
So on the surface act to claiming that ACC is
still trying to procure services based on waste and there's
this cabinet piece of paper that says you can't do that,
so act right, Well, got.

Speaker 11 (18:08):
A circular that's about making sure public services delivered on
the basis of knee acc have obviously got a prefurement
exercise up and running. The Minister Scott Simpson, as I understand,
it was quite comfortable in the first instance, but obviously
it's an operational decision for them. But he's and asked
them to go back and reassure themselves and him that's
been handled well.

Speaker 10 (18:26):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Husking Breakfast with
the rain drove of Alarm News Talk.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
ZB twenty eight past one. Compulsory military service in New Zealand.
Is it a good idea? Yes or no? Owen you
were in the last and take in New Zealand, is
that right?

Speaker 12 (18:45):
Yeah, that's right in the twenty seventh intake. And I'm
now eighty six, so there's not very many of us left,
I guess, but I can tell you that from my experience,
one of the great mistakes that were made was not
continuing with it, because it really did bring great benefits

(19:06):
to many young guys who learned the discipline, learnt the
camaraderie that can be found in a grouping like that.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
There was always plenty of action, which.

Speaker 12 (19:19):
They like as well, there's a lot of physical stuff,
confidence courses, all the things that really sort of make
life interesting and give you a bit of a direction.
And I can tell you I made friends in the army,
And originally I didn't much want to go in because

(19:41):
I was busy doing other things. But once I got
in there and it was proved to be really beneficial
and I made friends that I still have, although there's
not too many of them left.

Speaker 11 (19:57):
But the.

Speaker 12 (20:00):
One thing that happens is that you go in there
and the army always wins. You never get into a
fight with the army because they always win. But it's
amazing the people that are there.

Speaker 6 (20:15):
And the regular army that were there.

Speaker 12 (20:17):
They were returned servicemen that came from the probably the
Malayan conflict, and they were mighty guys, they really were.
A lot of them went on to be in the
police force, which they were good in the police as well,
because when I got out of the army, you know,

(20:40):
I knew the crops in.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
The local town and where I lived.

Speaker 12 (20:44):
And a lot of them were returned servicemen and that
had been in the army, and they were just I mean,
they carried on the same sort of attitudes.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
What was what year was this owen?

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Was?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
That was the last one finished?

Speaker 12 (21:03):
It finished in fifty eight, and it finished for the
wrong reasons. It finished because the Labor God Month promise
they would get rid of it. It was a vote
catcher right by the Labor government, the incoming a cinemata.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Young people obviously didn't want to do it and so
would vote against it.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
Oh yeah, well of course they were.

Speaker 13 (21:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (21:22):
I mean, well you said you you didn't want to
want to do it either.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, but but it was great for you in the end.
How long was was that? Was it? It wasn't a
full year, was it back then? Was it fourteen weeks?

Speaker 9 (21:32):
No?

Speaker 12 (21:33):
No, no, no it was It was about three and
a half months. I think it all was right, And
and there was basic training which was a lot of
square bashing and things like that, and then uh, and
then there was core training depending on what you did
and if you I was in the infantry, so there

(21:53):
was a lot of marching and camping out in the
abortion and doing all sorts of things. But young guys
like anyway, what was.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
It like in that?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
So you you slept in the barracks, did you? Or
did you? Did you were going back home.

Speaker 12 (22:08):
We we had old World War two huts, four four
four men to the hut, and this was in Linton
Camp and it was it was pretty good, were very
old huts. But and it was in the winter in May.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
So could you choose, you said it was. Could you
choose when you went in? Or was it was the year?

Speaker 13 (22:32):
No?

Speaker 6 (22:34):
The army, The army told you when you were there.
And originally I.

Speaker 12 (22:40):
Was called up for the twenty fifth intake, but my
boss got me half of it because he he said
I couldn't my job couldn't be easily fulfilled while I
was away, And he put the same excuse forward for
twenty six and then reply to the twenty sixth. The

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army said, well he's into the twenty seventh, don't apply anymore.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
And I was so.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
So you were the last one, you were in the
last intake?

Speaker 6 (23:12):
That, yeah, it was. It turned out to be the
last intake.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
And do you reckon that, you reckon the young people
today that the age you were back then could could
handle what you went through.

Speaker 12 (23:26):
Well, I was in there with a lot of farm
boys and I'll tell you what.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
They already knew how to shoot. Yeah, and they were.

Speaker 12 (23:36):
Very energetic and they were very down to earth type people.
I won't want to be critical of modern youth, but
I don't see too many that would probably take too
kindly to it. And now with things like social media
and that, I mean, they were I don't think you

(23:57):
could ever start it again.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Thank you very much. We got the headlines hot on
our tail, but really good to get your expertise. I mean,
it would harden them up to that last part, you know,
didn't knock the youth of today, which is a good thing.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
You know.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I think they're a huge it's compulsory. I think a
huge percentage of young people would go, yeah, how awesome, Yeah,
go and do it. I mean some people would hate it.
But fourteen weeks of just becoming a more practical human being, yep,
well no, it sounds bloody good to me.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Exactly. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is twenty six to two.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Jus talk savy headlines.

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Speaker 3 (25:55):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It's twenty two to two.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
We're talking about an interesting article titled how military Training
could Transform New Zealand's Society was written by Matthew Houghton.
He believes that an outward bound style training set up
could have fantastic benefits for New Zealand social economic and
for school benefits and you know, the social cohesion foster

(26:21):
national unity. This text to disagrees on nine two nine two.
Holy crap, Matt, you've become a fascist six months on
ZB and now you want all kids sent off to
die in wars. Shame on you. How about no wars?
How about no fighting? For Christ's sake? If you have soldiers,
you get wars. How dumb are you? One follows the
other fascists?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, what do you say that?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's an interesting point of view. Interesting don't think anyone's
advocating advocating for wanting all kids to sent off to
die in wars. But as I said before, say we're
packham palla bellum. If you want peace, prepare for war.
So that that's really the argument. But also the the

(27:04):
idea is really that that it would be great for
kids to have some kind of practical output in their life,
and it would be good for their confidence and such.
I wouldn't even have to be end up you know
that probably would not even end up going to war,
but they might end up helping a civil defense emergency.
They might might be more practical when a flood hits

(27:26):
their town. They might be more practical in an earthquake
because they've had this training, because a certain amount of
it would be CPR and the like, so life skills,
you know, cooking, car maintenance, emergency preparedness wouldn't be a
bad thing for people who have even if they never
go off to war.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, I don't think it's fascist to send kids to
outward bounders, and it's effectively what you're doing here, just
up scaling on some important life skills. Michel, how are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (27:55):
Not to bed?

Speaker 15 (27:56):
Thank you for the opportunity. I like the idea, but
I think there's some groundworkings to be done. There are
three to six years of legislation work away from this reality,
because once you set it up, you need to have
lots of regulations and you need an act regarding this
because when you start getting the new people coming out

(28:19):
of the school, graduating from high school, you need to
know if they straight go to university or not. If
they go to universities need to give them exemptions untill
they finish their job. If they are on training, they
need to finish their training and then go to military.
People who are on sole income earners, they have a
family with children and the spouse is at home looking

(28:43):
after the kids. You cannot just take them and send
them to military service because they are the sole income
earners and there's no other income. So the government starts
thinking budgeting this that if somebody has got the profession
and has got children, how they are going to take
him three to six months or eight months or whatever
out of the business, and how they are going to

(29:05):
feed the family.

Speaker 9 (29:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Well, as I'm saying it, when he went into the service,
that there were concessions to be deferred to different times
if it was impossible. I mean, it might be a
little bit like jury service. And well Owen was saying
before that he was the final intake that was compulsory.
As people are pointing out, it did continue on for
quite some time as a ballot a ballot based situation

(29:31):
I guess similar to similar to jury service.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, that makes sense. Michelle thank you very much for
your call. I one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number of call before we play some messages.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Oh yeah, I've got a question for you, Tyler, yep
and everyone on nine two nine two. How many countries
have a form of compulsory national service as of twenty
twenty five? What percentage do you think of all the
countries in the world.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
I'm going to write down a number here, but if
you think you know, nine two is the text number.
Flick us a message if you think you know. But
we've got to play some messages and we'll be back
very shortly. It is eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
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Speaker 3 (30:17):
B It is a quarter to two. We're talking about
compulsory military service.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Before the break, ask the question how many countries have
a form of compulsory national services? A percentage? Someone says
eighteen percent. I reckon boys less than five percent? Is
this text? Eight percents is Lisa from christ Church. Well,
guess what what? Forty one percent of countries in the
world have a form of national service.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
That is incredible.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
So eighty countries, approximately eighty countries currently have some form
of national service or conscription in place, according to the
World Population Review. So it's pretty common in the world.
Not that radical, yeah, not that radical. I mean I
can't see it again. I mean it's sort of a
thought experiment now, because I can't see, you know, with
all the problems in the world, you know, a party

(31:06):
going into an election and saying this is our policy.
Maybe New Zealand First or Act might do it. I
can't I can't see the Greens going for it going
into an election because you would look at yourself losing
a lot of the young vote, wouldn't you. But it's
interesting because Owen said he didn't want to go in
when he went in back in the day, but afterwards
he was one of the best things he ever did

(31:27):
in his life. But you're not going to get a
lot of eighteen to eighteen year old voted.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
You'll lose that vote. How would you feel as a
parent though, because generally, and it's easy for me to
say this that I like the idea and if I
was in that age bracket, I think that would be
a great thing to do. The amount of skills that
you'd pick up for free, even if it's a year.
A lot of people, a lot of kids have a
gap year. But how would you feel about your kids?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Well, I think it's a more along the lines of
outward bound type situation. Yeah, this text sent our boys
to outward bound for three weeks to try and break
his computer game addiction. He handled it easy. The day
after he got back straight onto the computer. Didn't change
a thing all fights, But he have learned a bunch
of skills that may come in to usage at some

(32:13):
point in life. Because there are emergencies that happen and
people are totally utterly squidgy and useless, and in the
case of floods that we seem to have regularly in
this country, we are on a very shaky aisle. Earthquakes
are likely to hit. Whether it ends up being a
military arm application or a civil defense application. Surely some

(32:34):
kind of level, even three month training on that outdoor
outward bound style military style training would be fantastic.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yep, Oh, one hundred and eighty teen eighty is the
number to call. Get a bob.

Speaker 13 (32:47):
Yeah, hi, guys, I just wanted to throw my little
piece from here nineteen fifty six. When I first met
at high school, you were given an option of either Army,
Navy or Air Force and you got sittled out with

(33:08):
the uniform and you had one day a week in
training at high school.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Right, And what did that training involve?

Speaker 13 (33:17):
Well, it was basic training, really gotcha? Yeah, But they
also give you lectures, you know, fifteen to twenty minutes
on how to do this, that or the other other thing.
That They also invited you to go on weekend sojiour

(33:39):
insend of the bush and get some more training.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
But did you take them when they did you take
Did you take that out?

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (33:50):
I did, yeah, because I was culling beer at that
time on my weekends.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Do you think it would be a good thing to
reinstate that kind of training.

Speaker 13 (33:59):
Bob, Well, I can't say we're doing any harm as
long as you left your riphone at home.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I think it's a big part of it. I think
that would be a big part of the reason why
people didn't want to do it now. Actually that's not
true because whenever you talk to young people now, they
know that they've got an addiction for their phone and
a lot of them. Whilst they'd be scared to be
stripped of their digital rights, they would know a lot
of them that that would be a good thing for them. Yeah,
a lot of them. There's a lot of talk about
brain right and how bad they feel after there's been

(34:30):
a whole day on the phone, and there's no doubt
that you would feel a lot better after a day's
physical activity out in the what Pops definitely than you
do just sitting on the couch, slumped over, scrolling doom scrolling.

Speaker 16 (34:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
And we're talking about eighteen year olds here, right, We're
not talking about ten year olds being signed up to
some sort of universal military academy.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
This sexta says, I reckon many New Zealanders under forty
wouldn't have the common sense or resilience to cope with
any kind of military training. Yeah, but that's the whole point,
isn't it. That's why you want to do it. And
this has what got me thinking about not just this
article Matthew Howdon but I watched that documentary, the Roger
Donaldson documentary on Bruce McLaren, and everyone was so practical

(35:10):
back then. You know, when he went over to the UK,
he flew over a bunch of his kei. We mates
that were so practical at putting these engines together and
doing these things that no one can do anymore. And
that's all very well if we continue living this luxury
life that we've got now. But things can change in
the just like that.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, you've got to be put under the pump just
a little bit to get the best out of a
lot of people. Oh eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is
the number to call. It is ten to two back
very shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Good afternoon
to you.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
And we've been talking about the idea of universal military
service compulsory military service for young people. It was suggested
by Matthew Houton in the Herald an opinion piece of course,
as Matthew Houghton rights, but it's an interesting idea.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
John, you want to talk about the scheme after the
one that Owen want On finished up.

Speaker 17 (36:10):
Yes, when that CMT finished that brought in National Service
and it was based on the ballot system. If your
birthdate came up, you were required to go in.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
And how long did that last for John? So if
the other one finished in nine fifty eight, how long
did the ballot system go for?

Speaker 18 (36:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (36:32):
I think it finished in the late sixties. I went
in about nineteen sixty five.

Speaker 10 (36:38):
I think it was right.

Speaker 17 (36:39):
And being a student, you could spread your three months
over the split it in two and do it over
two holiday breaks at Christmas time?

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Were you annoyed when you were you annoyed or happy
when your birth date came up in the ballot?

Speaker 17 (36:55):
I was a volunteer because I thought it would be great.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (37:00):
I didn't think of the aspect of you were sold
you you're going to go to war and kill people
and all this sort of thing that didn't come onto it.
I saw it venture And do you think it made you.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
More more practical in your life after that going forward?

Speaker 17 (37:15):
Well, I was pretty practically as it was. But the
thing that I really noticed was you go in there
and there's a group of guys, or a few of them,
not that many, who had chips on their shoulders, and
they were what we called boggies back in those days.
I don't know whether you understand what that term means.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I've heard the term bodgy.

Speaker 17 (37:35):
Yeah, yeah, you know the milk barkowboy.

Speaker 16 (37:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (37:38):
They stick and lear the jackets, all this sort of thing,
all their brass on their jackets and whatever. Anyway, a
few of them like that, and they came in and
they had chips on their shoulders, and they moaned about
this and moaned about that. But after a few weeks
of solid physical training they changed and mixing with other guys,

(37:59):
they changed their attitude and they thought it was great.
And some of them just just joined the army full time.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Wow, I've been turnaround. Thanks for you call.

Speaker 13 (38:08):
John.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
My eighteen year old UNI student daughter works physically outside
seven daily, seven am to eleven am daily before lectures,
said yesterday, it is so good. Otherwise she would be
scrolling her phone in bed all morning. Matt look at
Saint Paul's up in Hamilton. They do a compulsory six
month camp at Tahoe in fourth form in topor. And
it's all about what you're talking about. And this Texas says,

(38:31):
no one invades a strong country, many invade perceived weak ones.
New Zealand is week a prime target in today's grab
what you want?

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Well, yeah, this, Jesus say is guys. Back in the
seventies and eighties, I was involved in a bad crowd.
This was in England. As soon as one of the
gang hit seventeen, he got sent back to Italy for
a year's military service. Two others were sent back to
their place of birth and one that had one year's
military service. In hindsight, that probably saved their lives. I
think it's a great idea. It wouldn't do any harm,

(39:00):
but just so long as my son doesn't have to go.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
But surely that's part of your becoming an adult, as
being practical and challenging situations, not just you know, defense situations,
but so well the emergencies definitely know and disasters come
across someone a crass car on the side of the road.
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
I can only see good out of something like universal
military training. But as we say, it was an opinion
piece by Matthew Houton, and whether it's a policy that
gets taken up by any party highly doubt it.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
I'm going to say right now, this is not going
to happen in that current climate. This is not going
to happen.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Or put five bucks on that right, a new sport
and weather on its way. Great to have your company.
Very good afternoon to.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
You talking with you all afternoon It's Matt Heathen, Taylor
Adams Afternoons US Talks.

Speaker 13 (39:55):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Good afternoon, welcome back into the program. Great to have
your company as always where if you're listening in the country.
Let's have a chat about AI and in this instance therapy,
and we want to take it a bit broader than that,
but innovations in technology and artificial intelligence are making it
easier than ever for people to see a therapist. That's
according to clinical psychologist Jackie Maguire. She joined The Little

(40:21):
Things podcast that's the New Zealand Heeral's Health and well
Being podcast to discuss what we all need to know
about therapy. But something that stood out in that particular
conversation was around the use of AI.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, Maguire said, of one AI tool, I thought I'm
going to go and try it because it's like CHETJVT
but for therapy. And it was good.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
So she's a professional that says it was quite good.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Not for she turned down the language there, I mean
she thought it was Bleman good?

Speaker 2 (40:50):
She said, I would never say it on the radio,
but she said, shit, it was good. Yeah, but I'd
never read that on the radio because I'm professional.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
That's high praise.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
She said, I don't think you should be using AI
if you've got really complex stuff going on in your life.
But if you are, like, how do I navigate this
tricy conversation with my colleague? It was amazing. This was
a nine dollars ninety nine for a month a therapy AI.
It's an interesting thing, isn't it, Because therapy to me

(41:20):
seems to need human that part of it is talking
to a human, And yet more and more people are
finding solace and help from from AI. And it just
really leads to the question, what are you willing to
let taken be taken over by AI? What? What do
you need human to do? It's been claimed robot surgeons

(41:41):
will be as good as human surgeons in a few
years and better than the best human surgeons within five years.
And how comfortable would you be with a robot surgeon?
There's there's there's the robotic surgeons that are you know,
surgery tools that are held actually controlled by an actual doctor,
insurgeon but the precision is done, but they're controlled, so

(42:02):
you know, the incisions are.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Made, so they're a human operator.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Human operator. Yeah, and they've had examples where they've done
the surgery from thousands of miles away. You get the
best surgeon in the world can operate the machine in
your area from another side of the world. That's a
slightly different thing because there's a human being involved in it.
But what we're talking about the complete diagnosis and examination

(42:26):
and surgery performed by AI.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I'm just trying to put myself into that scenario. And
it's a thought experiment obviously, But so you get the
pre op by a human being and it runs you
through how this particular AI robot is to operate and
the likelihood of success, which hopefully is going to be
quite high, a lot higher than a human. And then
at that point you go into the theater, you get
put under and they wheel out this robot to get

(42:52):
to work.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, and you'd be happy with that because you can
get for some reason, so you can get the percentages,
so you know five years down the track, and the
percentages are that the robot is better at the job
and more likely to succeed in the operation than the
human equivalent.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Which I mean, my brain says yes, but but the
emotional side of me, which is valid in certain circumstances,
would say, I'd still want some human interaction there. I'd
still want a human surgeon in the background, watching and
taking note in case this robot starts to do something
that it shouldn't be doing well.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Stephen Covey famously said that trust is equal parts character
and competence. Right, So you can prove the competence of
a robotic surgeon autonomous without a human being control and
ConTroll it. You could do that, and percentages you could,
you know, go well, ninety nine point nine to nine
percent of the time, this guy's going to succeed.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
And maybe that's better than a real surgeon. But the
characters are harder one to get right. And you can't
discount placebo either. That A lot of a surgery, surgical
proceizure is. You know, when I had major surgery on
my back, I met the neurosurgeon. We had a discussion.
I felt comfortable. He told me what he's going to do.

(44:13):
He showed me the thing he was going to put
in my back, what he's going to do then I
went into it and as a result, I was calm.
My body was ready to recover. And you know they say,
just going to speak to a doctor who looks like
a doctor maybe has a stiff scope in an office, Yep,
it will help you heal quicker. Yeah, white, the white.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
But it is the bedside manner. And I don't have
the numbers in front of me. But study after study
has proven that doctors who have a phenomenal bedside matter
as and they show a lot of empathy, they get
on with their patient, they make the patient heed you say,
feel at ease. The outcomes are far superior then a
very competent doctor who's got a terrible bedside manner.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Well exactly. So if just before you go under, you
see R two D two coming at you with the scalpel,
what's the pacebo effect on that.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yeah, if he's just coming at me with beeps and bops,
then yeah, maybe I wouldn't be so into it.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
They have the in white. Catto got this thing here
that if they do have. In New Zealand, we have
a row operating doing surgery, but they are, as we said,
controlled by a human, which is a huge difference because
it's basically a tool.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yeah. The other element here is we all know the
pressure on our health system at the moment, and there's
no doubt about it. When you bring in the likes
of AI and as you say, in five years time,
it's likely that AI robots will be better than the
best surgeons in the world. That will speed things up
considerably in our health system. I mean, is it too
much of a stretch to say that may fix it

(45:38):
all the problems that we've seen in our health system
at the moment to be able to bring this technology
in to take the pressure off needing actual human doctors there, Yeah,
to get more people through surgery, to make people healthier faster.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah. And another part of it. I was talking to
a young man who's becoming a doctor at the moment
and is not interested in becoming a GP in a
small town because I said to him, you know GP
and has small time town. Isn't that the dream? And
he goes, no, I want to become a cosmetic surgeon yep,
because there's more money in it. So potentially the upside
of this would be that the surgery, which is repetitive,
and you want a surgeon that has done the procedure

(46:13):
a million times and so they know how to do it.
But if that's replaced by a robot, then perhaps the
doctors that we train will become the gps, which are
what we need, that face to face, friendly neighborhood GP
that helps you in a number of ways across your life.
And as opposed to going straight for the big money

(46:33):
in surgery which has been replaced by robots.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you
feel about AI technology in medicine and health? As we mentioned,
AI is coming to the fore when it comes to therapy,
and that technology is fast approaching the likes of surgery
in our hospital. Is really gain to chat with you
on this one?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
And if you're a surgeon, what do you think about this?
Do you think that this is even practical? Because someone's
just written a report saying that these complex surgeries could
be replaced by robots within the next five years and
they'd be more competent humans. Do you believe this is true?
Is this not true? Also, have you used therapy? Have
you used AI therapy and has that? Has that worked
for you? I've just done some AI therapy that I

(47:12):
might share with you next okay, and then but the
wider issue is would you you know robotaxis? Would you
be comfortable with the ROBOTAXI just taking your kids to
school without you in it? Would you be comfortable with
the complete end end AI robotic pilot? Yeah, that sits
up in the front like an airplane, an inflatable pilot,

(47:34):
the complete One oh.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call Love to hear your thoughts on this one. It
is fourteen past two.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Wow your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
ZI. Be very good afternoon to you seventeen past two
when we're talking about the rise of AI technology in
fields that may make some of us feel a bit uncomfortable, therapy, surgery,
this therapy side of things was on the back of
a podcast that clinical psychology Jackie Maguire was part of.
It's called The Little Things, But she talked about AI

(48:13):
therapy that you can now subscribe to for ten bucks
a month that she said was pretty good. I quote,
I don't think you should be using AI if you've
got really complex stuff going on in your life. But
if you are like, how do I navigate this tricky
conversation with a colleague? It was amazing. I was blown
away and I thought for ten bucks a month, that
was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, that's just talking to someone. But what about the
robot doing surgery to you? If the robot gets harder surgeries,
it may appear to have poor statistics. There's an interesting point. Actually, yeah,
give the robot or the hard ones. Yeah, but what
if Russian computer hacker transplants one of your hands onto
your forehead?

Speaker 3 (48:50):
There's always that risk.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Now that there's a high risk, how would a robot
know if the patient started to bleed? Well, I mean
that's something that they would be sorting.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Out programmed as part of AI.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
It's sensors and you know AI is getting pretty good
at detecting pictures, what's in picture and stuff. Yeah, so
I mean that would be something that they would need
to solve. Rob Welcome to show your thoughts on areas
of the world that AI is about to take over.

Speaker 19 (49:21):
Hey, welcome guys, Thanks for the opportunity to chat to you.
I was just thinking that if you look at the industry,
for example, a lot of the procedures are pretty standard.
You know, identify that you've got a cavity, maybe do
a filling and stuff like that. And with the current
price of the industry land, it's truly unaffordable for a

(49:41):
huge proportion of the population. People just simply don't do it.
I'm from the South Island and let's not even talk
about the condition of people's teeth down here. Why would
we not want to take advantage of something for normal
procedures obviously, you know, if you've got a massive root

(50:02):
canal or something like that, maybe you need expertise. But
I think it would be a for a dentist or
even basic surgery to be conducted by a robot.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
And there's definitely a problem with how much dental procedures cost. Yeah,
it is phenomenal, So I imagine that being a more
isolated situation than say, heart surgery. So you know, when
you go to the dentist, you can't talk to them
because you got your mouth open anyway, So that you know,
the bedside manner isn't generally is important. Lock someone's face

(50:35):
in place, the computer scans which molar it needs to remove,
bang whips it out. Yeah, five bucks on.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Your way for five bucks yeah, I'd say yes to that.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, but how would you think you'd be comfortable Rob
going to a dentist and we're not talking controlled by
a dentist. We're talking completely and utterly autonomous. So as
a robot scanning your face that's going in there and
doing the surgery, do you think you would be confident
to allow that to happen?

Speaker 6 (51:05):
Rob?

Speaker 19 (51:06):
Yeah, I think that would actually prefer that. You know,
I have a bit of issues with the personal space
thing where I've got some guy who's sticking his nose
too millimeters from me and gaping into my mouth that
is perhaps not in a condition that I'm super proud
of in the first place. Ye give it to the

(51:28):
machine there.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah, Hey, thank you so much for you call, Rob,
And yeah, and the thing that you could program into
the AI robot and make it not ask you questions
when you can't answer them. Yeah, So when you've got
a bunch of stuff in your mouth and your mouth
open and they ask you how was your holiday, or
maybe you could understand you know, it could be developed
to be able to understand your answer.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
But generally most of us, hopefully, when we go to
the dentist, you just get the old clean and a
bit of an examination. Right, do you need any feelings?
That's an easy thing for an AI robot to do, right,
We're not talking any sort of surgery. Well, they just
take away picture there. Have we look in there as well?
I think I don't know if this technology exists, but
they would do the cleaning, yeah, and then even take
a picture and say no more fillings.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Well, when my kids we were getting their braces, put
in that they take a full three D model with
cameras with exact proportions of the face of the teeth
and for creating those in visiline. You know the type
of braces you have where they three D print them
out or whatever, and then you know they change them regularly. Yes,
so they already have the technicality technology to completely and

(52:32):
utterly three D scan your mouth, you know, without taking
a mold. So by a boy, I don't know, as
long as I mean, you don't want to be waving
your face around when they're doing it, so maybe lock
it into place. But then again, you know eye surgeries,
you know, they don't seem to rip people's retinas out
very often.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
No, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. How would you feel about AI being utilized
for surgeries and other medical procedures. It's starting to happen,
and when it comes to therapy, there is services available
for ten bucks a month. It's effectively like chat GPT.
But according to clinical psychologist Checki McGuire, she utilized it

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and it was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah. What about just in everyday life robotaxis? Get up
in the morning instead of driving your kids to school,
you have them in an autonomous car and that is very,
very possible.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
IA.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
There's autonomous taxis working in the United States at the moment,
so that is that is something and they're not too
different future. The autopilot on Tesla's is phenomenal, especially this
this new upgrade that's just come in. So would you
have your you're looking after your grandkids and you have
them in the car to take them to school, or
you know, your kids are visiting some of their cousins,

(53:46):
just have them in an autonomous taxi and send them off.
Would you would you trust AI to do that?

Speaker 3 (53:51):
How would you feel about that?

Speaker 20 (53:54):
Bad?

Speaker 14 (53:55):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (53:55):
One hundred eighty ten eighties the number.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
To coo Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight
hundred eighty eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
You're a good afternoon to you, twenty five past two,
and we're talking about the rise of AI technology in
a myriad of industries that may make some of us uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yeah, what would you trust AI to do to you?
Or would you or do to you? Or trusting AI
driving you around? Melissa? Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 21 (54:27):
Hi, guys, Yeah, like my parents they're getting a bet
on it sort of thing. So I fairly even trust
my parents driving my own cats, right, So when and
at what point would I start trusting machine to start
driving by around?

Speaker 18 (54:42):
But you know it's.

Speaker 21 (54:43):
Like like even with thunderstorms and stuff, well you needed
a bit of atmospheric interference or something and then your
TP goes out. So how do you know that a
car driving you know, automated cars are not going to
cut out when you're in your kids are in the backseat.
That's sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah, I'll be interested. I'm not sure exactly how it works,
and I've seen a lot of footage on it, but
I'm not sure whether it loads down it's map beforehand
and then it's an analysis of what's going on around.
It is within the car. So as long as the
batteries charged, then it's got the swinging cameras and it's
making all those decisions. But what would it take for
you to trust an AI driver with your kids if

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the percent if the percent came back and they were
because you bring up a reasonable point, you could have
an eighty five year old and no offense to eighty
five year olds. I mean a lot of them are
better drivers than twenty five year old. Yes, but you
could have someone with their driver's license who isn't a
great driver, and you're right, you trust your kids with
that person. If the percentage the percentages came back and

(55:44):
AI was, let's say, one hundred percent or ninety nine
point nine percent safe, would you then, because.

Speaker 21 (55:52):
No human is, no, no exactly, but nothing's one hundred percent.
I mean, like just drive home right now. Like I
had to swerve over to pull over so that the
bus could come out because it was more of a
skinny rope. So like you know those micro decisions that
you make as a driver just to keep yourself safe,
you know, like can I actually ever do that?

Speaker 6 (56:13):
So yeah?

Speaker 22 (56:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (56:14):
And then putting by kids in the car, Yeah, so
I don't.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Know, would you do it yourself, Melissa.

Speaker 18 (56:21):
No, No, like drive.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yeah, I just say that is I mean, when I
think about this sort of technology, I might do it
for myself, but I'd never trust it with anyone else
I love. And I think that says, you know a
lot about the argument here that I'm willing to take
a punt for myself, but it's still a punt. I
still see it as a punt, even though the percentage
would probably come back and say it's fast, safer than

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humans doing any of these things.

Speaker 21 (56:46):
Yeah, well it's I haven't seensed that, so you know,
until it's proven.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah, you go. Well, in the States, the the Wima,
the Wimo driverless textis that currently do two hundred and
fifty k texti rides a week.

Speaker 7 (57:04):
Have they done New Zealand skinny roads like, well, yeah,
good points.

Speaker 23 (57:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Yeah. A friend of mine got one home recently from
from from the pub and when he was in Los
Angeles just got a driver's sex taxi home. He said
it was very weird, it would but I got them home,
got home. I think you know, it's it's going on
a motorway, it's changing lanes, it's pulling up at red lights.
It's it's it's it's already there. It's already happening. But
would you have for your kids in there to take

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them to school in the morning?

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Stupid question? But when I don't know if you know,
when you jump in there, do you talk to the
car and say where you want to go? Or you
just put it in your app?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
It's been in your app already.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
And then when you jump in there, is there some
sort of good afternoon sir?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
You know you're thinking of total recall one with the
Johnny cabs.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
There's not a little robot behind the steering wheel.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Oh okay, made me feel a bit more comfortable.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
But boy, how much easy would people's life be if
they did just started trusting that? Because people say, can
you trust ai? But I mean the biggest problem that
you have when you're putting having your kid in an
uber or a taxi asgain your trust the driver. I mean,
humans aren't hugely trust where they are there in a
number of ways.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Also mentioned you know some of the older people in
New Zealand and around the world, and as you mentioned,
a lot of them are better drivers than young drivers.
But a lot of them are not able to drive anymore,
and this gives them back independence. If there is this technology,
it's been utilized in America just for that, to give
people who cannot drive any more independence again that they
can get to where they need to go.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Well, I've been in consitions before when i haven't been
able to drive anymore after a night at the pub.
How soon would it be that legally they would go? Well,
this is you know, if you can put children in
this car, if you can put you know, influids, and well,
why not someone that's impaired, alcoholically impaired, absolutely driverless car,

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Speaker 3 (58:49):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
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Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean, And we're talking about
AI technology being utilized in industries that might make some
of us uncomfortable medicine, surgery and therapy, among many others,
including the transport industry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah, so this medtronic Hugo Robert was tested one hundred
and thirty seven real surgeries involving prostates, kidneys, and bladders
complication rates this is this year. We're impressively low three
point seven percent comm three point seven percent complication rate
for prostate, one point nine for kidney, and seventeen point
nine for bladder surgeries. That doesn't sound great. Seventeen point

(01:00:51):
nine complication rate for bladder surgeries with this medtronic robot. Yeah,
i'd want it better to be that. I wanted a
lot better than what was the three point seven for prostates.
Good at prostate, so I can.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Figure out prostate, it's the bladder a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I'd actually have to know the complication rate on you know,
actual human surgery. Hugo achieved a ninety eight point five
percent success rate, far exceeding the eighty five percent target.
So yeah, they believe within a couple of years they'll
be as good as human surgeons, and within five years
better than the best human surgeons. Yeah, that's interesting. Hey,
speaking of AI and online therapy, I've done a little

(01:01:28):
bit of therapy here. Okay, right, gone to one YEP,
so I entered, I am sad, it responded, I'm really
sorry to hear that. You're feeling, said, can you tell
me more about what's contributing to those feelings right now?
I said, I have a useless co host on my
radio show. That sounds really frustrating. It can be tough
to it with someone who isn't contributing as you would hope,

(01:01:49):
especially in a collaborative environment like a radio show. What
specifically is making you feel that way about your co host?
I answered? What should I do to him? It sounds
like you're feeling quite overwhelmed by the situation with your
co host. Before we think about actions to take, can
we share more about his behavior and how it is
affecting you? I responded, personal hygiene as problem sometimes gets

(01:02:09):
my coffee order wrong, and the end before it answer,
I had to chart. I had to start a paid subscription.
That was all the free questions I got.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
And what did it say to that? I didn't give
an answer.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
To that, lt I'm going to have to pay nine
to ninety five a month to get the answer to that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Well, cough up. It's about time you start coughing up
for good technology around here, man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
But diplomatic, you've got to say that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
I think we could use that every day on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
This Texas said. I totally said to my son about
ten years ago that the first profession to get replaced
by AI will be doctors, no doubt about it, because
they are already dependent on machines with the diagnosis diagnostic processes.
The test that did indicates when and put all testing
results of a patient. The computer gives far more accurate
diagnosis conclusions and better treatments options. Yeah, but what about

(01:02:52):
the actual cold, hard cutting surgery part of it. Yeah,
cray your thoughts on AI involvement in human life.

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
It's a funny one because I've got a little graindorter
and she was born was major, major hard issues, you know,
three months old. She's had twenty eight hours of overt surgery. Now,
I sort of hope that one day there will be
AI heart or the robot at heart, that she may

(01:03:22):
be able to be as a top. But I do
want a human to put it in it and club
it up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Yeah, and why why do you? Why do you feel
that way? Where because.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
These robots, I mean, humans can think outside the square
when when things go wrong, robots have to have everything
programmed into them, not every scenario. It's old. You know,
different things happen all the time, and I'm the same
as a pilot. You know, a human pilot can think

(01:03:57):
outside the square of something's gone wrong. A robotic pilot
or definitely have good program to do stuff, But I
don't know how against every single problem that could arise.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Well, I guess the argument now with AI, which is
a bit different from having to be programmed, is that
it can learn. It can be taught on everything that's
ever happened in a plane ever. It can have that
at its fingerptips and it can analyze that within fractions
of a second. So having the complete knowledge of every
single accident of all time, every plane incident that's ever

(01:04:37):
ever happened.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
So it's so new, isn't it. You know, it's sort
of overwhelming thinking wrote bonics taking your life on the head.
I think some surgeries i'd be happy with, you know,
if I had a bit of a melon over to
be taken out of days. But then like open heart
surgery and that kind of thing, I just rather have.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
A human Yeah, I think I think you're right right,
I agree with you, Craig. I would I would rather
that as well. But down the track, if it becomes
clear that humans are making mistakes more often than robots.
Then you know, you might end up having to make
the decision with a you know, a young child. That'd

(01:05:22):
be a tough decision to make. You're like, just across
the board, this robot is in, This AI technology is
three percent better than a human boy. I mean those
decisions that people are going to have to make in
the future.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
But the more even though I agree with both of you,
I'd be very uncomfortable with a robot doing any sort
of surgery on me. Does that not make more sense
than something like a therapy bot, because therapy arguably is
about empathy and critical thinking and like Craig says, thinking
outside the box. Whereas surgery, if you're competent at at

(01:06:01):
being a surgeon, yes you might have a good bedside manner,
but when you're in that theater room, that is all
then down to buy the numbers, right, Yeah, at that
point there's not too much empathy that's in the mix.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Yeah, exactly, like surgeons you want to have that that
you want them behaving like a robot. You want a
heart surgeon that's done at you know, four hundred operations
rather than the one that's there. Hi guys, we were
in Beverly Hills over Easter and there are plenty of
driverless cars there and they just cut through the traffic. Amazing.
Plus they have these small four wheel buggies like a
chili bin on wheels driving around the footpaths doing driverless

(01:06:35):
food deliveries. It's amazing. I saw those. I saw those
waiting at the crossings to cross the road with their
little noodles in them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
How do you feel about the rise of AI technology
in industries like medicine, transport and other Really keen to
get your thoughts. It is twenty two three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
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Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
That be good afternoon to you. It is seventeen three
and having a great discussion about AI use in industries
like medicine, surgery, therapy, transports.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Guys, humans could not figure out that the autopilot was
engaged on the Navy vessel. Do you think that AI
would have it a similar problem? I think definitely not.
That's from George.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Yeah, I could have saved US one hundred and eighty million.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Brain surgery already done with by robots when putting chips
into the brain because fibers are too fine and too
many of them are one of Elon's businesses. Yeah, that's right, Neurolink.
I was reading about Neurolink before actually, and they're doing
all basically all there are implants using AI.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Robots and too great success, I take it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah, well yeah, I think so well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
As the Texas siege, you know, and it makes sense
that if the fibers are too fine and too many
of them for human hands, what other options do you have.
I'm just having a look at I'm not that familiar
with neurolink surgery.

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
So they're blasting, you know, blusting the little things rid
into people's brains, right, yeah, amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Interesting. So anyone can sign up for that? Is that?

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
I think it's I think it's mainly for people that
have problems communicating.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Yeah, so it's it's ways to control, you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Know, fascinating technology.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Yeah. Yes, So Neurolink has used robots for brain computer
electrode insertion, as it's impossible for a human to achieved
a requires speed and precision, so it's already happening.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Yeah, makes sense. One hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call Blair.

Speaker 15 (01:08:39):
How are you good, guys?

Speaker 16 (01:08:41):
How are you doing good?

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
How do you feel about AI and being involved in
some of these industries?

Speaker 16 (01:08:48):
Yeah, I don't know. Has anyone seen I robot matrix?
I mean, you know the jokes aside. You're talking about
that eighty five percent target rate successful target rate for
this test group. That's obviously on a select amount of people,
So your failure rate in humans is probably relatively small.

(01:09:10):
How many humans, though, are going to build up or
make up that eighty five percent or the fifteen percent
failure if they run with us in the future, it's
going to you know, the amount of humans that are
going to have potentially not a very good time because
of a non success rate is slightly to be quite high.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Yeah. So these robots got a ninety eight point five
percent success rate and surgery, the completely autonomous ones, way
above the eighty five percent goal. But this was just tests,
so they think at ninety eight point five percent, it's
not ready to be rolled out as you know, as
a standard thing. This is just still in the trials

(01:09:51):
at the moment. So ninety eight point five percent is
not good enough for them at this point, but they
thought at the stage they'd only be sitting at eighty
five percent. But whatever that means. You know, one hundred
and thirty seven surgeries, only two needed to switch back
to regular surgery, one because of robot glitch and one
because of a tricky pace in case. So these are
they're doing it, but they've got surgeons standing around, you know,

(01:10:12):
and monitoring what's going on and jumping in if there's
a there's a problem.

Speaker 16 (01:10:15):
Right, Okay, Because I was going to say, have any
of you watched that TV series Surgeon's Life on the Edge? Okay,
so it's on Bravo I think it is. But anyway,
they go into into quite complex procedures with specialists from
all sorts of fields, depending what the operation is. But

(01:10:37):
the one I saw recently, they were taking out a
tumor of cancerous growth out of the jawline and it
was very close to you essentially killing this lady because
it was right beside the corona artery and everything, and
one slip up. But anyway, the point is all these

(01:11:00):
collaborative surgeons came in and said, if we open up
and we find this, we're going to have to change
out tech and go to Plan B. If Plan B
doesn't work out, we've got Plan C, and at worst
case scenario, we've got Plan B. I'm just wondering if
the AI can do all that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Yeah, that's the idea would be that AI would have
had would have learned from every single piece of surgery
in that area. It could possibly get pumped into its system.
And we were talking about therapy before, right, and you
know the back and forth between people, So what is
someone that trains to be a therapist. They just read
and read and read and learn and learn and learn,

(01:11:43):
and from that they have responses that they give to people.
It's the same with surgery, right, You learn and learn
and learn what you're supposed to do when you have
responses to problems, and that's what you bring to surgery.
You bring your skills with the scalpel, and you bring
your knowledge. But if you if the AI can have
the same skills with the scalpel, it can also have

(01:12:07):
much much larger knowledge than a human can hold and
access it arguably much quicker. So unless there's some kind
of a name like there's some kind of sense that
humans have that above just the facts and figures and
the learning. Then arguably, in the future the robot will
be able to have a plan A, B, C, D, E,

(01:12:28):
F G up to A thousand Blair.

Speaker 16 (01:12:33):
Yeah, you see, I just don't know.

Speaker 19 (01:12:35):
I just don't know if.

Speaker 16 (01:12:36):
It will develop to a point where it can essentially
think on the fly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, arguably, if there's something that
happens that's never happened before, is where AI has a problem,
because it learns off and you know, maybe it can
bring things together, but until there's general intelligence, general artificial intelligence,
it's not necessarily creative. And I guess what you're saying,
Blair is that the surgeon may have to create a

(01:13:04):
solution that is to something that has never ever happened before,
and that that might be a problem for AI.

Speaker 6 (01:13:09):
But yeah, it's interesting, and that's a real it's a
it's a real world possibility.

Speaker 16 (01:13:15):
Yeah, that's the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Yeah, I could definitely say it being utilized, Blairs. So
you've still got a human surgeon, but they've got AI
in the background, and if there's something that goes wrong,
then they request information from from the AI. Because as
we know, AI can make decisions and milliseconds and utilize
all that information that it's stored to hopefully give that

(01:13:37):
surgeon the best course of events as it sees it,
and then the surgeon makes up its mind. But that,
to me would actually be a good use of AI.

Speaker 16 (01:13:45):
The brain. The brain is a pretty powerful computer and
it can just listening to one of your other cause,
was it, Melissa, she's talking about the driving Melissa, Yeah, yeah,
I mean I've been in a situation where I was
riding a motorbike. I was riding too fast, I wasn't
going to make the corner, and my brain processed all

(01:14:07):
this information and gave me all these options to lessen
my chances of being hurt. It kind of panned out.
I mean I still got hurt. I still wrote the
bike off, but I didn't I didn't damage the car
I was heading toward because I managed to miss that
because one of the options was go up the footpath

(01:14:28):
and try and ride back down onto the road.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
It's amazing how things slow down to that point in
those emergencies. That's when our brain really becomes quite amazing
because it has the ability to not actually slow time,
but to pump resources such that you process what's happening
and give yourself options like you did there, Blair.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Isn't that one of the theories, the theories of the
life flashing before your eyes is your brain utilizing every
experience that you've come across that might be similar to
one that you're about to get very hurt on, and
then it makes a decision. That was one of the
theories by neuroscientists.

Speaker 16 (01:15:02):
And I suppose in a way that's a form of AI, then,
isn't it because it's taking past experien speriences and giving
you options for what you're facing now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Yeah, you know, and.

Speaker 16 (01:15:17):
It's a difficult I'm not at the stage of it.
I probably wouldn't be.

Speaker 6 (01:15:23):
Happy with it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Thank you for you cool Blair. The interesting thing becomes
the moral edge case, especially with autonomous vehicles, but also
it happened in surgery as well, where you have to
make a decision where definitely humans will die. So the
car is in a situation where there's, out of all
the options, someone is going to die. Do they decide
that it's the passengers in the car that dies, or

(01:15:44):
do the preschoolers that are crossing the road or the
group of elderly people over here, or is it two
people there as opposed to three people over here? Those
are the really really complicated edge cases. And you know
the trolley problem is another one as well. You know,

(01:16:05):
does you're in action if you're if the car is
driving the straight line and it can't move, can't stop,
it's inaction. Will kill two people, but if it the
if it deviates, it'll have a different result. You know,
those are moral decisions that a human like Blair and
his accident might make in us flit second.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Yep, very fair point. Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is eight
minutes to three, bag very surely.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
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Speaker 16 (01:16:36):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
It is five to three.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Fascinating conversation, a lot of people asking what we're talking
about with the runaway trolley problem. There is a runaway
trolley barreling down the railway tracks that head on the tracks,
there are five people tied up and unable to move.
The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing
some distance off in the train yard next to a lever,
a lever. If you pull this lever, the trolley will
switch to a different set of tracks. However, you notice

(01:17:01):
that there is one person on the side track. You
have two options. Do nothing and the trolley kills the
five people on the main track. Two pull the lever,
diverting the trolley onto the sidetrack where it will kill
one person. Which is the most ethical choice, you guess,
incredibly complicated because the five people are only one person
to five people. But that one person that you're going

(01:17:22):
to divert to has got nothing to do with the
situation at all. So you're diverting to kill this one
person as opposed to five people. So if you do nothing,
five people get killed. If you do something, one person
bit kills, but you are deciding to kill that one person.
So you have to make an active decision to kill
a person as opposed to doing nothing and five people
get killed. That's the kind of stuff that they have
to program into AI.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
And who are the five people? Are the five people
children you know? And the one person very elderly. I mean,
they are all human decisions that we can make pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
So you've got your Tesla autopilot going along scanning all that.
It's pretty complicated and similar things could happen in terms
of surgery as well. Absolutely paralyzed. If I continue this,
the person's legs will be paralyzed. If I don't, If
I do nothing, their legs will peraliffy. To do something,
the brain will be paralyzed. All the kind of complicated
things can happen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Yeah, scary, fascinating times ahead, that's for sure. Great discussion,
Thank you very much. After three o'clock, let's have a
chat about celebrity selfies. Is it okay to take a
selfie with a celebrity on the back of a very
interesting post by Robbie Williams. Will tell you more about
that very shortly. It is three to three.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Your new homes are insightful and entertaining. Talk It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Sebbies, Good afternoon to you, Welcome back into the show.
This is going to be a good hour of discussion.
It's about celebrities and taking selfies with them more approaching
celebrities in the first place. On the back of something
Robbie Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Posted, Yeah, the question one hundred and eighteen eighty two.
Celebrities owe you a picture because you know their fame
and their wealth is based on human beings following them.
What are the terms of engagement? Do you leave people
alone with their family when they're eating, when they're walking
down a street? You know? When when do you approach them?
And what I mean? Another question is why do we

(01:19:12):
want pictures of celebrities? Why do we need them? And look,
have you had a great experience with a celebrity or
have you had a bad experience with one? Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number Robbie Williams. He
has posted about the discomfort he feels when he's approached
for photos. He says he feels gratitude when fans expressed
genuine admiration, but he emphasized that and he wants to

(01:19:35):
say he's not complaining, but he says sometimes he has
panic attacks and he fears when people come up to
talk to him that everyone will notice them and it
becomes a bit of problem. And he said that there's
an unspoken law that celebrities should always be available, but
he thinks that that expectation is unfair and unrealistic. So
this is about a situation when he's on a plane,

(01:19:55):
he's got his four kids with him, he's feeling pretty
gross and tired, and people are asking for pictures and
he just didn't want to do it. But he did
do it, but he didn't want to do it, and
he just wanted to raise that the expectation you're always
ready because you're famous to give of yourself as unrealistic.
So what do we think about that one hundred and
eighteen eighty If you're famous, is it that much to

(01:20:18):
just get a picture taken with you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Yeah? I mean, good on. It's very honest from Robbie Williams.
And he comes across as a very jovial chap and
he's very funny when he's interviewed, but clearly he's been
very honest when he says he feels that social anxiety
when he gets approached all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Yeah, but the guy has panic attacks.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Yeah, Okay, that's pretty full on. So but you know,
going back to that original point he made that celebrity
should be available when they're out and about. I think
that is part and parcel of being in the public eye,
that if people see you and they're a fan, and
they want a photo or they want you to sign
something that is, for lack of a better word, the
cross Robbie has to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
But he says that a lot of people, because this
happened in the United States, this particular incident, people didn't
even know what it, couldn't name his albums. Yeah, and
they just didn't really know who he was, knew he
was vaguely famous, and if someone gets a picture with them.
A lot of people have started lining out to get
pictures with him. They don't even really know who he is,
and they don't really care about it. So I don't know.
I'm in two minds about it. Why do you need

(01:21:18):
to hassle someone for a picture?

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Well, I think there's a time in the place if
they were in a restaurant and clearly he's got his
kids with him and he's having a meal. Look. I've
never never approached a celebrity for a photo autograph. I
can say that hand on heart. I have never done it.
Maybe as a child with rugby player, I don't know,
but I can't remember any times. But if you're on
a plane and it's someone that really loves Robbie and

(01:21:42):
Robbie's just released a movie, right, he was part of
that movie that's just been released. There's a documentary that's
gone out Better Man, Yep, better Man, and apparently it's
very good.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Well he plays. He won't recognize him from that though,
because he's replaced with a monkey.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Yeah, that's right. But the fact he's still promoting things
that he's doing still makes him public property in a way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Well, but I mean is that the case, say an
uber driver when they're not working, because that's their job,
they should have meet it, jump in their car and
drive you somewhere. I mean that you're working. Sometimes if
a celebrity is turned up for a promotional event, absolutely
the picture. But if someone's on a plane with four kids,
leave the man alone, I'd.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Say, yeah, But then I see these actors like Daniel
d Lewis right, and he is notoriously private about his life.
He used to turn up to some interviews but not
so much anymore, and people leave him alone because he's
made it quite clear that he is not going to
promote himself, so he will let us acting in his
movie speak for itself. But Robbie being a showman for

(01:22:42):
most of his life, it's as part of him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
You think that if you court publicity for your own
financial gain on occasion, then you have opened lather for
the rest of the time. And think there is a
certain part of that. There are people that just let
there art work, you know, their work speak for itself,
and there are people that have go to the opening
of an envelope, and maybe those people don't deserve as
much privacy as as the other ones. You've also got

(01:23:08):
to remember that a lot of famous people, a lot
of people that are out and about, you know, you know,
putting themselves out there in terms of their art, acting, music,
are actually introverts and they actually find it really really
terrifying to deal with people one on one.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Yeah, I mean, look, I've seen some of the videos
recently Tom Hardy, he's in a movie very recently. But
they the fans are waiting outside one of the premier
yeers and there's a few other premier yeers and he
goes out there and he's got a steely face on
and clearly he doesn't like to be in that position,
but he goes up to everybody and grabs their phones
and then he goes from steely face to a fake smile,

(01:23:45):
takes a snap and then just moves down the line.
And so I look at that and I think, oh, man,
that is you know for someone like Tom Hardy. He's
there at a premier year promoting his movie, but that
is a chore for him to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Yeah, panashek because you don't. Yeah, I'll talk about come
up in a bit. I'll talk about what Stephen Fryer
said about this and why he refuses to have SELFI
is taken with himself and people when they come up
to here. But e one hundred and eighty ten eighty
have you had a pleasant experience with the celebrity or
have you had an experience with a celebrity where you
feel like you have well, they've made you feel like

(01:24:17):
you've overstepped the mark and you've invaded this space.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Yeah, love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighties and number to call it is twelve
past three. Good afternoon, it's a quarter past three, and
we're talking about approaching celebrities. Is it okay to approach
celebrities no matter the day or time or whatever they're doing.
On the back of a pretty honest post that Robbie
Williams put up on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Yeah, as Rob Williams said, he said, there's an unspoken
law that celebrities should always be available. Williams believes the
expectation is unfair and unrealistic. It always makes me think
of this line from Tom Hanks in the Simpsons movie.

Speaker 16 (01:24:52):
This is Tom Hanks saying, if you see me in person,
please leave me be.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Very good. I love, and he is Hollywood's nice guy
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Oh please, there's this text, oh please, celebrities are only
too heavy to reap the berries of stardom when the
cash comes rolling in. Suck it up and do the photos.
My son is an all black and its constantly asked.
He just says he's a handshaker and a selfie taker.
To make someone's day, He's happy to do so. Aby's
give them seminars and how seminars on how to deal

(01:25:24):
with it? Yeah you all right? Well, congratulations on your
son being an a b Yeah, but you're very proud. Yeah, Phil,
welcome to the show. You've had an experience with a celebrity.

Speaker 23 (01:25:36):
Yeah, yeah, I got a couple of stories, but the
first one I was at I'll tell you the first
one with my mate. You know, the second one. But
my mate won a competition radio competition to actually go
to Robbie Williams concert here in New Zealand. So and

(01:25:58):
he went won the thing to go backstage to meet him,
and so he went along with his wiferiend it's funny
Robbie Williams saying about, you know, having the panic attacks
times of meeting people on that Yeah, and my my
was it was him. He was it was him that
had to been a cuttack. He said.

Speaker 9 (01:26:16):
Oh, he said.

Speaker 21 (01:26:18):
I went to meet him and.

Speaker 23 (01:26:19):
Shake his end, you know, because he said, oh, I
want Robbie, and he said all I could do to
stand there, and I was like a baby. I went
to say hello, and all it could go was like
and his girlfriend and his wife had to end up
talking for him because he was just war struck, you know,
of meeting Robby a person because he answer he loves him.
So that was quite funny, you know. He he just said,
I was a babbling idiot, you know. I couldn't get

(01:26:40):
two words out. But we went to a We went
to the Springsteen concert and been lucky enough to go
to three of them, but still haven't heard my favorite
song of his ship, which is born in the USA,
because I think he was not happy with Trump being
elected so refused to play to his concerts. And then
the other concert he played, I missed tickets to the

(01:27:01):
Saturday and got the Sunday ticket and I was standing there,
standing there, and he said, oh.

Speaker 24 (01:27:06):
We played yesterday. We played Born. Last time I played Born,
and you say the whole album. I was thinking, great,
this is going to be good. And he says, but
tonight we're going to do Born to Run, which was
good album as like OHM. But anyhow, but so we
were at at one of his concerts there and somebody said,
just stand in front of us was Tim fint.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Oh yeah, split in the same brother. Yeah great, he'silder.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:27:30):
So of course this sort of tapped them on the
shoulder and said Tim, you know one boys, Tim, because
about three or four of us there, and he just
turned around and looked and he said, oh yeah. He
said do you mind, you know, to get a shot
with you and he said, no, no problem, but just
the one no boys and then leave it at that
and it was all cool. So, yeah, that was their
experience with him. But I think there is a so

(01:27:52):
it was pretty cool. That was pretty good of him,
you know, because he probably got hastled throughout that concert
when people recognized who it was, you know, but he
still gave us, but he still gave us the time
to take one with him and that. But he was
quite nice about saying, just just the one boys and
then we'll leave it at that, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Yeah, so Tim fan puts some parameters in there. I
was once shooting a music video for Tim Finn. We
made a number of his music videos back in the day,
and we were shooting a video and a car and
he was sitting there. He had to drive the car,
Tim and he everything was being around, lights were being
set up, a bunch of stuff for coming. Then it
was out on the street and a guy came over

(01:28:29):
and sat down in the car beside him that it
was just a stranger and lit a joint and said,
I just always wanted to share a joint with you, Tim.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
What do I don't know what did. I'm not going
to say what Tim did, but the balls just to
rock up and sit aside. So yeah, right through a
film of the cameras, he knew it was going well
maybe not. Yeah, he just saw Tim Finn and he
knew what he was doing. That's single minded. Yeah, good
on him. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Who
was the celebrity you met and asked for a signature

(01:28:58):
or selfie? And what was their reaction?

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Do they owe you? It's an unspoken law that celebrity
should always be available. But should they? Yeah, if they're
just about minding their own business, why should they have
to give up their time? And you know, maybe they're
not feeling up to it. Leave them alone. The spersions said,
Robbie Williams wanted to be a star and now he's
over it. He could always buy his own plane. I
don't know, maybe he could. That is rubbish. Boys, nobody

(01:29:25):
is that special. They are not God. Yeah, but you're
making them special. That's from Mary. So Mary's saying that,
But they're not that special. Why are they so special
that you need a photo with them?

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
So why are they so special that they don't give
you a photo? But why are they so special that
you think they need a photo with you?

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:29:41):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
The other trap that I mean, poor old Robbies in
the most celebrities are are in is that they have
to put on that brave face if they really hate it.
They still have to put on the brave face and
look like nice people all the time twenty four to seven.
And Robbie, no doubt is a really nice guy. But
that would do anybody's hidden getting that sort of attention,

(01:30:01):
particularly in the UK all the time. But if they
don't present that nice guy attitude, it only takes one
one day and someone says, hey, Robbie was really rude
to me. Yeah, and boom your career. You might take
a nose dive.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
As a civilian, you might be ninety nine percent of
the time you're nice, but one day you're having a really,
really freaking bad day and you're rude to someone on
the street. No one cares because they don't know who
you are. But if you're Robbie Williams and that one
and a hundred, you know, grumpy reaction will probably make
it into the papers.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Yeah. Absolutely, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
This Texas, says Max says, Matt, I would like a
selfie with you if I see you, and you'll be
writing piggyback on my back, with a flower in your ear,
a cigar in your mouth, and we'll both be holding Margarita's.
It would look like we're the best to su mates.
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
All right, we can make that happen, Mick, don't worry
about that yet. We'll organize that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
It's twenty two past three Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
ZB afternoon, twenty four past re Which celebrity have you
met and what was the reaction or what sort of
response did you get from them when you might have
asked for a selfie or an autograph On the back
of Robbie Williams, who made an anonymous call on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Yeah, he said, it's an unspoken law that celebrities should
always be available. Williams believes the expectation is unfair and unrealistic.
So do I. I reckon the occasions when they should. My
son had Amy Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
I love Ady Adams, great actress.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
She was eating in the in the cafe that he
works in and he was just happy to serve her
scrambled eggs and salmon yep. And he didn't need to
us punish her for a photo because she was there
with her family. Yeah, you know, just let it be.
I'm with Tom Hanks. If you see, if you see
Tom Hanks in public, let them.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
Be w eighty ten eighty. I'm going to say something
about Robby in a minute. John.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Welcome to the show. You met Chrissy Hines?

Speaker 13 (01:31:59):
I did?

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
I did in nineteen eighty there was a concert down now.

Speaker 6 (01:32:03):
Wakia what do they call those.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
Sweetwaters?

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:32:10):
Not?

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Who are you?

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
And it was the last Sweetwaters? And anyhow I had
a backstage passed through a friend of mine, and I
wandered into the backstage and I sat down with nobody around,
and all of a sudden, these cucumber sandwiches arrived at
the tables nice and I was just sitting there on
my own and heard the helicopter arrived, and a few

(01:32:35):
minutes later in walk Chrissy Hines and some of the
band as she came and sat down right beside me. Wow,
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 20 (01:32:44):
So so we shared some stories and what a lovely
lady she was and assuming, and she did ask what
I was doing. I said, I was just getting out
of the rain.

Speaker 13 (01:33:03):
I just happened.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
So there wasn't There was nine eighty four, so obviously
you didn't have a phone on you to to take
a selfie with this, So did you get a signature
or did you? Did you nothing?

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
The whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
And and that's cool because you've taken you've taken a
memory out of it. Well that's what you need.

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
No cell phones in those days, it was just just
you know, average so uh, and then she had to
then she started eating, and I didn't want to erupt her.
And then she had to go on stage to do
her thing. So I went out there and watched her
from the front of the stage and yeah, it's just

(01:33:48):
a fantastic memory.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Good John, that's that's that's a nice interaction. But as
you say, there were no phones there and he didn't
actually know he was in the VIP area.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Look, that's that Some celebrities are nice, you know. Robbi
Williams has a problem with it a little. This text
here from Thomas. I met Matt Heath at the Cricket
once and asked for selfie. He was super accommodating. What
a great guy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
Oh that's a new knowing what I know about that guy.
That's a rarity. I meant on your Thomas bart Don,
how are you mate?

Speaker 9 (01:34:17):
Oh, very good, I haven't a humorous twist on the
signature thing. Back in nineteen ninety three, I decided to
take myself over to Europe on the Koontickie trip. And
prior to that, I've been riding around Harley Harley around
Auckland and people were coming up and looking at me

(01:34:39):
and wanting to engage in conversation. And I thought that's
really interesting. And one person said, you look a little
bit like you know, a muso came with USO and
I said, no, I'm just Don from Auckland. Anyway, went
on the ninety ninety three trip to Europe. As soon
as I got on the bus, all the odds I

(01:35:01):
introduced myself as Don from his arms. All the people said, oh, no,
you're Bono.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:35:09):
And I said, well, I don't plan to be a
Bono because I'm not particularly into you. So but they
for the rest of the two they called me Bono.
Wherever we went throughout Europe. Once my name, they referred
to me as Bono loudly. Everyone would come rushing up
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
And so, as time has gone past, have you do
you wear the sunglasses? Are you running the two earrings?
Have you done the facial.

Speaker 9 (01:35:36):
Here, I've still got the rat round so the guys.
After Europe, I took myself off to the USA of
A and had the same sort of experience. People were
overly friendly and it was like they kind of recognized me,
but they didn't. Some of them were too polite to ask,
but others did ask. But I went this is a classic.

(01:35:59):
I went to Tijuana, and I'm telling you not people
lined up for my signature right and Tijuana, so I'm
not Bono, but they just would not believe that. So anyway,
I find away in the barn and Tijuana a lot

(01:36:19):
of Europeans were coming up and asking me to sign
stuff anyway and buying me drinks. But anyway, when I
got back to New Zia on the Classic was I
arrived at Mangori Monngerie Airport and my girlfriend met me
and a local guy Pacific I'm the guy came bowling

(01:36:40):
up to me and said, Bono, please sign, please sign this.
My girlfriend looked astonished, and he had a kid's basketball
and I said, I'm not Bono, but I'll sign it. Well,
he was the most happiest fellow on the planet, so
I signed my real name, but he thought he was
getting a bono signature.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
That's a great story that you go. Yeah, we've got
to see a photo of you. Don Have you got
email John to flick us an email.

Speaker 9 (01:37:05):
I was a lady's hairdresser at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
A game we'll talk about. But thank you for you call.
Don I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Bono Yeah, yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Some great texts coming through. Guys.
Walk past Sean Fitzpatrick with two friends who were teenage boys.
I said, get a Sean and he gave a wave.
The two rugby loving youths were oblivious who was the guy?

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
They said, I know a story. You've got to be
careful if you're reasonably well known that you are nice
to kids. Because there's a very well known New Zealand
cricketer who was incredibly rude. So a young man. I
don't know ifucking give the name.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
What decade, what decade was he playing?

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Well, the cricketer was probably peaking in the nineties, early
two thousands. The rugby player that this future all black.
So went up to this young this cricket player and
see it kind of autograph and he went f off
and then years later this guy grew up to be
a very tough number six for the All Blacks, and

(01:38:06):
then you know, ran unt him again. And see when
I was a kid, you don't, you know, so you
never know what's what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
How it is. Yeah, I'm going to tell you in
the headlines.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Okay, I've got a question for you as well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
So we're talking about Robie Williams and how he's not
that happy about being hassled for photos everywhere he goes.
In twenty twenty four, the Better Man movie came out.
It cost one hundred and ten million dollars to make.
It's a semi autobiographical movie yep, about him South where
he's been replaced with a CGI monkey. It cost one
hundred and ten million dollars to make. How much has
it grossed at the global box office?

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
All right? Nine two nine too? If you think you know,
I'm going to write down a number here and we'll
give you the answer very shortly. It is twenty nine
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to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Thank you very much, Rayllan. And we're talking about approaching
celebrities taking selfies. After Robbie Williams put up quite an
honest post, saying it makes them socially anxious.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Yes, sometimes, he said his zuns spoken law that Siby
should always be available. I Williams believe that's expatient expectation
is unfair and unrealistic. I think, yeah, I mean, sure
you can ask for a photograph, but if they say,
oh no, I'm not feeling up to it, then you'd
leave them alone, right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
I think in New Zealand we're pretty good with that
sort of stuff. Right in America it's crazy town, and
I think in the UK it's pretty similar with the
pepperazzi and the rest of it.

Speaker 7 (01:40:30):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Stephen Frye it says that it's changed massively in his career.
He used to sign autographs for people and he didn't
mind that because he could talk to them. He'd ask
where they're from, he'd learned about their name, and they
head could have a conversation. But he said, with everyone
having a cell phone standing and posing for the picture,
he refuses to do it because there's no correspondence. You're

(01:40:51):
just standing there in silence. They take ages fumbling to
get their phone, take the picture, and he gets absolutely
nothing out of it. So he will Stephen fry will
sign autographs, but he won't give you a picture.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
I love that because here's something kind of awkward the
way that you've just said that. That is a really
awkward encounter for Stephen Fry. Whereas he's probably a guy
that likes stave a chat. You know, you'll tell some
stories where you're from. He is one of those jovial
sort of g You can.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Totally see that point. He's willing to give you his time,
but he's not necessarily willing to give you a photo.
And who knows. You might have left the house and
here is in a terrible state, and you hung over
and you look terrible, and whatever reason you didn't get
dressed up to the nines to go out. Maybe you
don't want a photo, but you're quite willing to give
a signature. Hey, before the break, I asked how much

(01:41:37):
money has the one hundred and ten million dollar Better
Man Robbie Williams movie made and the global.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Box office I wrote down twenty five million.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Yeah, so it's actually made fifteen million, so one hundred
and ten million dollar budget. Look, I've got a lot
of time for Robbie Williams, but making a byop of
his life in the year twenty twenty four where he's
replaced with a monkey. And by all accounts, it's a
fantastic movie.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Yeah, good rebooks.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
People in the States that don't even know who Robby
Williams are say it's a very very good movie. But
you've got to say that was a risk financial move
to spend one hundred and ten million dollars in whatever
the marketing was to make.

Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
That clearly fifteen million, one hundred and ten million budget.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Joe, you you've met George Benson, the jazz guitarist.

Speaker 7 (01:42:21):
Oh yeah, I did. And Betty Betty from Ardie Jar
Oh she was their backup. Oh yeah, you know support
so makes the word. Benson was just beautiful. He invited
so many of us backstage meet him.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Oh really and.

Speaker 7 (01:42:44):
Yeah, and we were like talking to him in twos
and threes, not having big group photos. We didn't have
a mobile phone back then in the day. We had
cameras and he talked about his family, he talked about
his best friend, Prince.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Oh wow.

Speaker 7 (01:43:01):
So it was an amazing time. And I still got
the photos. Of course, you don't throw away anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
No, So you you were out of concert with and
George Benson was there and he got invited backstage. What
about if you've just seen George Benson on the street,
would you've gone up and spoken to him? Or another example,
he's sitting down having lunch at a restaurant or a cafe.
Would you have gone up and spoken to him or
asked for a picture under those circumstances.

Speaker 7 (01:43:26):
Well, if I could get near him, I mean you can't.
Can you get near such people? You know what I mean?
They've usually got a whole lot of security around.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
But I guess I guess the point is, I guess
the point I'm asking Joe is is do celebrities are
celebrities owed a certain amount of privacy Even when they're
out in public at a Concert's different. But if they're
just going about their everyday.

Speaker 7 (01:43:49):
Life, well, everyone deserves respect when they're a celebrity or not,
and everyone has boundaries. We all had boundaries, right. But
the thing is, like, you know Betty Anne, she's I've
seen her more than once and she's so approachable, so friendly, brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Thank you so much for your call. Appreciate that Ossie Cracket.
Greg Matthew scored a century here in christ Chitch back
in the eighties. Our friend found himself beside him at
a bar later that evening and said great, not Greg,
to which Greg responded, if off real charmer Greg Matthews.
Greg Matthew's got a lot of abuse in New Zealand,
though especially in christ Church. I remember there he had

(01:44:27):
that sort of winkle pick of shoes that he wore.
And Greg Matthew's got a lot of abuse from the terra.
So by the time you talked to both both, the
time your friend talked to Greg Matthews, he was probably
just absolutely sick of He.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
Was a slimmering volcano's too good.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
Robert de Niro would land a punch in your eye
if you tried to get a selfie with him. Robert
Niro is just he's not a tough guy in real life.
Though he's just a little fellow in real life. I
don't know if he's as tough as he is a
taxi driver.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Guys having a photo with someone you meet for two
seconds and so fake. It's recording a meeting that didn't
really happen.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Yeah, yeah, and to what purpose to post it so
you get likes on it? Is that why you do it?
Or is it just so you can say, look, I mean,
you prove that you met the person, which is interesting.
I totally get it. But I also get Robbie Williams's
point of view that it shouldn't be owed to you.
If someone asks, if the celebrities doesn't really want to
do it, then maybe you'd respect their privacy. You're not

(01:45:25):
owed it just because they're famous, That's what i'd say.
You think, Tyler, that they are it to everyone just
because they've made money off you both by you being
their fan.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Yes, I do. I think if you're in the entertainment
game and someone wants a selfie at any time of
the day, even on an airplane or in a restaurant,
they should offer that up. But I will say there's
more and more of the professional autograph hunters, and I
see that in videos popping up, and the celebrities are
very wise to it now. And I don't know how,
but they'll go through the week crowd and sign that

(01:45:52):
I'm not signing that, sorry, and then move on and
clearly they're up for resale. I don't know how much
money you can get from some of these autographs.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Yeah, probably, I don't know. As someone says here, fans
are commodifying the star by taking a photo. They're using
it for social currency, as signature, and a chat as
primarily a personal interaction. Yeah, that's what Stephen Fryer saying.
The six says, I don't want a selfie with anyone,
including some mediocre radio jocks. That's from Mark. Well, look,
if you're talking about me and Tyler, Mark, there's no choice.

(01:46:19):
We're coming around to your house and we're forcing you
to have a selfie with us.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
After that text, we're going to find you, Mark, and
even we don't find you, we'll do a selfie and
we'll send it to you via email. So don't worry
about as many as you want.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
And Mark, I take mediocre as a compliment.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
Yeah, thank you very much. I appreciate what we strive
for here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
The fact we've reached mediocre and a mere one hundred
and twenty shows on ZB I'm very proud of that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
Ellically, oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call? Who have you met celebrity wise?
And what was the reaction when you ask for a
selfie or a signature? Love to hear your stories? It
is eighteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Your home of Afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk zib afternoon.
It is quarter to four and we're talking about celebrity
encounters and whether it's okay asked for a selfie or
an autograph. This is on the back of Robbie Williams,
who put up a very honest Instagram post saying he
doesn't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Yeah, he sold seventy seven million records, Robbi Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
Yeah, very successful.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Yeah, but not in the United States. No, oh, here
we go, Christine. You met the you met, oh Robin Williams.
Not Robbie Williams, No Robin Oh yeah, no the actor.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
Yeah, yeah, the actor very famous.

Speaker 22 (01:47:37):
Yeah, I was. I was living in LA at the
time and walking into a restaurant for brunch and these
guys walked out and I sort of saw this one
who recognized him. I said hello, and he said, oh, hi,
how are you?

Speaker 17 (01:47:52):
You know?

Speaker 22 (01:47:52):
How's your day? Data? And so they went one way,
we went the other and sat down. The girl said,
how do you know him? I said, oh, I don't know.
I've seen him around. They said, what's his name? I said, oh,
I can't think. They said Robin Williams. I said, oh
was it? And the next one, Rob Stewart, I met

(01:48:14):
in a elevator in a hotel in Sydney. I mean,
this is all last century stuff, you know. Anyway, this
guy was was in the on the list when I
hopped in. Nobody else and pretty scraggy looking guy, and
he just started chatting away and we went up. There
was only two of us and I had a little chat,

(01:48:35):
got up the floor, said okay, bye, and I sort
of recognized Niggley fairly. I got out of the lift
and I thought, damn, there was Rob Stewart.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
That's a great story. Sorry, carry on.

Speaker 22 (01:48:46):
Yeah, And then satur Davis Junior. I used to publish
a magazine in Auckland years ago, back in the seventies,
and I went, I wasn't. I just used to publish it,
but I didn't do any of the interviews. But I
saw this interview with him coming up.

Speaker 17 (01:49:07):
I'm going to do that.

Speaker 22 (01:49:07):
I want to be him. So anyway it went up.
There was up at the Intercontinental Hotel in Auckland. So
I went in there and I was for some reagnized.
They only reported there so that was fine checking away.
All the group were there, and he said to me,
ugly little man but perfect. But anyway, he was saying

(01:49:28):
to me that to say of getting into trouble you
know and drinking or doing drugs or whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:49:33):
While they were on the road.

Speaker 22 (01:49:35):
They used to watch, you know, the old spaghetti westerns
on TV. They used to have And so what that
the whole group used to do was have the spaghetti
westerns on. It was no sound and they would all
add libbed a script that all adopt a character and
that that's what they used to do. That which used
to fill them their time and keeps them, you know,

(01:49:57):
from getting into bad habits.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
Interesting, Yeah, thank you very much, Christine. Some great teachs
coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Hey, So I asked Greg Matthews to sign my nephew's
cricket pat back in the eighties at the basin. He
asked me out for dinner. I poltely declined, seeing as
we were both married. He was somewhat sleazy. So there's
been Greg Matthews, a cricketer that you haven't heard a
lot about for a while, but he was pretty controversial
when he came through in New Zealand. He was about
fancy pants and we'd get angry enough at Australians. So

(01:50:29):
he's told someoney if off when he was on that tour,
and he's asked someone out on the date. So do
you go not looking good for Greg Matthew. I don't
know he's allowed to ask someone out on a date,
isn't he?

Speaker 11 (01:50:40):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
Yeah, but I mean it depended on how he reacted
when she politely declined.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
When overseas for an Oe in twenty twenty, I met
David and Victoria Beckham. I was having lunch at Herod's
in one of their cafes with my mother and a friend.
They said at the table side us. We were told
by staff not to trouble them, but my friend, who
has worked in radio and New Zealand, thought stuff. Not
going to miss the opportunity to took a photo we
had just developed and asked David to sign it. He

(01:51:06):
was really lovely to talk to, very happy to do so.
Victoria was not happy about it at all, but took
the photo and signed it two different times though pre smartphones.
But yeah, I mean, I don't know how I feel
about that if someone's out having lunch, just I don't know, dear,
that's a tough one. There are flash hotels in America
where you definitely aren't allowed to go up to ask

(01:51:28):
people for their pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
Yeah, But on David Beckham, that's what I've heard, and
that's clearly well, whether it's work for him or not,
he enjoys it. But that is a reputation he's earned
as a really nice guy because he does those sort
of things, whereas his wife Victoria clearly doesn't have any
problem telling somebody to bugger off, this is the wrong time.
And most people when they think about Victoria Beckham probably

(01:51:51):
don't think incredibly nice person. Yeah, you know, David's had
to work for that nice guy persona, whereas Victoria doesn't care.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
Because she was already wealthy. I met Shaquille O'Neil, NBA
superstar in Las Vegas at a basketball tournament and his
son was playing. After the game, people were following him,
so I did. However, they were asking him for money,
not for a picture. I quickly took a pick while
other people were quite rude and nasty and pushing. That's

(01:52:19):
a that's another level. That's one thing I'm saying that
it might be occasions where you know, a celebrity doesn't
need to give you the picture, and maybe you should.
Their owdes a bit of privacy, as probably Williams are
saying here. But asking them for money is the next level.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Yeah, hey, Shack, can I ten bucks?

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Check? Is a billionaire though?

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
Yeah, he could afford it. But whether it's polite to
ask Shack for ten bucks?

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
Well, how much money does a billionaire have it on them?

Speaker 20 (01:52:42):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
One hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number to call.
It is ten to fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talg ZIBB News Talk ZBB afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
It is seven to four Maureen, how are you?

Speaker 18 (01:53:02):
Good things guys? I'd have my photo taken with you.
I think Mark was but harsh actually.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
Yeah, anytime both of us were just one of us
both Well, you don't want to picture a tilt, do you?

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
Yeah, you've already got a few, don't you? Marin one
more one?

Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
We were in Melbourne.

Speaker 18 (01:53:24):
We were at Melbourne a few years ago at a
restaurant having lunch, and just when we were getting up
to leave, one of our parties said, oh, that's Toby
Mitchell over there, and who was at the time a
notorious spikey ging person. And I said, oh, one, you
tell me sooner I would have got a selfie and
they went, yeah, that's what we were afraid of. But

(01:53:46):
he is in the background of our photo. So every
time when it comes up, I go, oh, the day
we had lunchwards de Toby google them you you won't
forget them.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
I just have. And he looks like a bad bugger.

Speaker 20 (01:53:57):
He's dirty, dirty, was getting very good service.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
So Tyler, yeah, I bet. And you met Prince Charles
as well.

Speaker 11 (01:54:04):
Did you?

Speaker 13 (01:54:05):
Ok?

Speaker 18 (01:54:05):
Yes, well he was Prince charlesy and that was our
to the earthquake. But I didn't have a felthy But
I did touch the sleeve of his suit, which to
do evidently, But yeah, he had a lovely handshake, and
so did Molla.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
So hand you touched this? How did you? How did
you what? You reached around and touched the sleeve of
his No.

Speaker 18 (01:54:23):
No, he shook my hand as he walked away. Did
I patted him on his shoulder?

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
Did he have his sausage hands at that point? Or
is his hands because his hands are quite inflamed at
the moment, aren't they or that was a normal hand
at that point.

Speaker 9 (01:54:36):
I didn't look at him.

Speaker 24 (01:54:38):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
That's awesome. That's awesome to have. You don't need a
picture of that, but the fact that you've shaked the
King's hand, that is awesome.

Speaker 13 (01:54:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:54:50):
And our relatives in England go, oh, we'd never get
that close, you know, to King Charles or Prince Charles
at the time. So yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:54:57):
It was a real highlight.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
Yeah, good on you, Maureen. Hey, guys, I bumped into
Dan Carter having a shower at the gym. I said, hey,
Dan Carter, use his whole name, mind if I take
a selfie with you? He said, yeah, sure. He was
such a friendly, humble and accommodating guy. And you, Casey,
you're wondering he was completely clothed, was showering in his clothes.

(01:55:19):
I think we're missing something I must have left. I
think that's quite an intimate place to approach someone in
a changing shit.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
Good on Dan Carter.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
You know he seems like a lovely guy, Dan Carter.
I have met Victoria Beckham several times and she is lovely.
Take it back, Yeah, she's all right. She's my favorite
spice girl after Ginger, scary and sporty. So thank you
so much, all you great listeners for listening to the show,
you great New Zealanders. The complete Matt and Jerry podcast

(01:55:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
Yep, see you tomorrow, Mattie, than Tyer Adam.

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