Full Show Podcast: 28 January 2025

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Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to the Matt
and Tyler Afternoons Podcast. It is the twenty eighth of
January twenty twenty five. I was just saying to Tyler,
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So I reckon this would be pod seventy maybe. Yeah,
we'll get to the bottom of it.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
So this is seventy. We're going to start from this point.
So Nick, Tomorrow's one's going to be seventy one.

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we'll find out exactly. And I'll start every pod by
saying it is Tuesday, the twenty eighth of January twenty
twenty five. Welcome to Matt and Tyler Afternoons Podcast Number seventy.
Lighton Smith does with his pod, Yeah, he goes do eat.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Five and it sounds bloody good, doesn't it? To eight?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Five out now, but great a show today, had some
really really good calls. Really enjoyed it. That Elon Musk
stuff was a very interesting You may or may not
agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yep, I did I do a particular thing in the
household that you thought I was an absolute lunatic and
a loser for doing it. Turned out quite a lot
of New Zealand do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Turns out like quite a lot of New Zealander lunatic losers.
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(01:47):
Kiwi from US podcast seventy one or something out tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Talking with you all afternoon, It's Matt Heathan Tyler Adams
Afternoons with the Volvo X ninety News talk.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
ZB Good afternoons. Do you welcome and to the show.
Hope you're doing well if you're listening in the country,
Get a Maddie, get a Tyler, get a everyone got
a great show plan for you this afternoon certainly do.
After three o'clock. It's on the back of a Melbourne
woman who caught her partner cheating thanks to tracking his
Apple Watch, which is a heck of a story. But

(02:18):
what we really want to have a chat about is
is it okay to track your own family members and
particularly your children?

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
What do you get out of it? You know, there's
I know a lot of people that are tracking their kids.
Just in my opinion, it just leads to worry and
do you really need to know where everyone is all
the time? I think it's I think it's odd to
track your partner, definitely, because if you're in a relationship
with someone you don't trust them, then you shouldn't be
in a relationship with them, right, So if you need
to track your partner, that's very odd. But tracking your

(02:44):
kids seems very strange to me as well. I mean,
when you're not with your kids, then you're not with
your kids. Put things in place to make sure they're okay.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
A lot of the arguments is that I've heard because
I've got well, my partner, May's family they track each
other on on a particular app and they say it's
for safety. It is to make sure that they know
where each of the girls are. Because Maid's got three
sisters plus her dad Pete, He's going to be home
safe at a particular time. How much of that do
you believe? It's about safety and versus the old trust pat.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
How much safety do you need in modern society? I
don't know. I think I think people went find I
think people have their phone on them if they're in trouble,
they can ring you. Yeah, that's that's all you need.
I just think that you I just think it's it's
too much. Tracking people is too much. And I also
think you know, kids now they're on Snapchat, they track
where their friends are so they know whether all the time,

(03:36):
and then they riddled with anxiety when they see that
their friends are meeting somewhere and they're not there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, I mean it's heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
But I will say that I did find out because
I looked at it, that I am actually tracking all
my kids and I didn't even know.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, you were fascinated by it, and not just your kids,
a few people.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Just because on fine find my phone on my iPhone.
I locked down and then I was like, wow, I'm
tracking everyone. I didn't even know. I'd never look at it. Yeah,
but that's just to find devices if they go missing.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Which is fair enough.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
But I'm not really sure how that was see it either.
I don't know why I'm tracking everyone. I'd never look
at it. I'd never go you you're supposed to be here,
and you say you're there?

Speaker 5 (04:16):
You know?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well you now though, now that you know you're tracking.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
No, I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
No, God, because don't misuse the power.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I have some more guts than that. Just trust people
and just don't worry so much about what's going on
the world where you have to track and know where
everyone is all the time. And then you know, I
know people that track their kids and then they go, oh, no, oh,
he was walking to school, But what's he stopped there
for it? So he's probably stopped across the road. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
You're causing yourself anxiety. We didn't used to have to
do that. Technology. Yes, it's useful, but sometimes it just
causes anxiety. There's going to be a good chat after
three o'clock. After two o'clock, should you clean your rubbish
before you recycle it? Now? I saw a post on
social media asking the question, is my wife a little
bit loopy for putting the rubbish in the dishwasher to

(05:00):
clean it. And I thought, hey, I do that, And
I don't think I am loopy.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I think you are. I think you're a crazy person.
If you're for the good of recycling, you're putting your
rubbish in the dishwasher to clean it before you put
it out?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, because you know, those picks peanut butter jars are
real hard to clean. So the dishwasher with those tablets
just does the perfect job to make sure it's sparkly clean.
So the good people at Auckland Waste Disposal can take
it down and recycle it and somebody else can use
that jar. That is my hope and dream.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Is that actually happening though? How much is that actually happening? Yeah,
I mean I think that's ridiculous. I think putting through
the dish wash it look short, like maybe rinse it
once before you put it in the recycling binder. Put
you're recycling through the dishwasher. Yeah, you've lost your freaking mind.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Well, this is going to be a good chat about
recycling in general, right is there. I think there are
a lot of myths about recycling, and potentially I've been
had by this. I tell you why it started is
because in christ Juche and they did say this at
one point that if there's any contamination in the recycling truck,
the whole truck goes into waste, into general waste.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, and that means that the whole truck always goes
into general waste, and therefore they're not recycling anything because
what are the chances in an entire truck they're not
going to have a small amount of contamination there. That
sounds like a setup to not have to bother recycling
and just have it all and landfill.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Anyway, Well, this is going to be good winning there.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
You are burning electricity and SuDS, cleaning your cleaning your cans.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
This is going to be a great discussion that's after me. Yeah,
I know you are. Right now, let's have a chat.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I contaminate every truck so they all go on landfall
and retiliation.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Right now, let's have a chat about Elon Musk. Is
he a genius or is he a juke? This is
on the back of a great interview Mike did this
morning with a author called Dennis Neil. He's written a
book called The Leadership Genius of Elon Musk and here's well,
Mike Hoskin asked him a few questions, but here's a
little bit of that interview. Now, come on.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
How much is genius and how much is pure insanity?

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (07:04):
I think it's ninety percent genius. The guy's unbelievable. I mean,
we've never and I've been understood of a business reporter
Wall Street journal managing gera Forbes, anchor at CNBC, anger
at Fox Business for thirty plus years, and I've never
seen anything like it. It's one thing to see Jeff Bezos,
who once crashed a dinner party of mine and sat
with me for an hour and a half. Great guy,

(07:24):
fantastic laugh, amazing ambition. But he's been great at one thing,
and on Blue Origin his space rocket stuff, you get
the feeling he's not that deeply involved. He leaves it
to the engineers. Elon is super successful on half of
different fronts and companies and he gets deeply involved in
each thing and is actually technically involved. And he continually

(07:45):
amazes the engineers around him when he comes up with
solutions that they just don't see because he then you
get to that ten percent insanity that gives him that
extra ability to see things that most people don't.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
It's nice ance, or isn't it.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, although I would dispute that Jeff Bezos has a
wonderful laugh. Have you ever heard Jeff Bezos's laugh?

Speaker 3 (08:04):
That's another one.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
It's a terrible laugh.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Is it quite high pitch? Does he low?

Speaker 2 (08:09):
It sounds like a crazy person. Anyway, let's not let's
not get let's not get too focused on Jeff Bezos's laugh.
But so Elon Musk worth four hundred and twenty two
point seven billion US dollars as of today, which is
man in the end. I mean, if you want to
you know, not whether it's worthwhile doing, but you know
that's probably like a quarter of a trillion New Zealand dollars. Yeah,
so it's done pretty well from self financially, but very

(08:31):
very controversial. A lot of people spend a lot of
their lives getting furious and angry and posting TikTok videos
about why Elon Musk is terrible and then getting very
upset and complaining. And if in some polite society, if
you said that you were a fan of Elon Musk,
people would spit out their kale at you.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
They would Yeah, so and that's expensive. K.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, soa e T hundred eighty ten eighty nine two
nine two is the text number. Elon Musk? Is he
a genius or is he a jerk?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
What do you think? Is is he both?

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Oh? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty Love to hear from
you on this one nine two ninety two is the
text number. It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
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Speaker 2 (09:26):
So we're asking the question, is Elon Musker genius or
a jerk? Or both? Love to hear your thoughts on
that undred eighty ten eighty nine two nine two. I
was bringing up Jeff Bezoff. Of course he's the Amazon
billionaire founder has laughed, and so I've got a bit
of us laugh here.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Okay, all right, here we go.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I mean, you know, it's you have to be in
the maindset that you can accept blaind Ally's.

Speaker 8 (09:47):
But I'll tell you that bright avenues are way more fun.

Speaker 9 (09:53):
Y.

Speaker 8 (09:53):
Yeah, there's one.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Why he puts us back into it, isn't he It's
always like it's actually frightening.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's a genuine laugh though, yeah, yeah, actually his eyes
light up. But yeah, I mean, so the Elon Muskus
what was his name? That was on Hoskin this morning.
So Dennis Neil, Yeah, Denis Neil thinks Elon Musk is
a genius. And Jeff Bezos says a wonderful laugh. So
what do you.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Think he's right? On one account? Colleen? How are you?

Speaker 10 (10:21):
I am really good.

Speaker 11 (10:23):
I think I think he's brilliant. I think he's just
a bond which may make him appear to us as unusual.
But I mean, we don't know him, for goodness sake.
We get sleeping comments from here, there and thither. We
don't know what it's like as a guy at home.
You might sit down and drink there about the bottle.
Who would know?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Do you like the fact, Colleen, that he is someone
that appears to do what he wants to do? You know,
he doesn't seem to care about the niceties of society,
if you will, he's he's not your typical billionaire or
indeed trillionaire, is he.

Speaker 12 (11:02):
No, he's not.

Speaker 11 (11:03):
He just wants to get on with the job. And
you'll find that, you know a lot of top business people,
men and woman does people they can come across as
maybe two or was drawn or whatever you want to
call it, because they're always thinking about the next thing.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, and so sorry, do you think he gets unfair treatment?
Colling in what way? The coverage of Elon Musk? I mean,
he has got somewhat close to President Donald Trump, and
and it appears some of the media are now, for

(11:46):
lack of a better word, targeting Elon Musk. They've always
sort of had some problem with Elon. But this is
my own opinion. I think sometimes that it is unfair
media coverage of Elon even if he is a bit
unusual and as you say, a savant and on the spectrum.

Speaker 11 (12:01):
I think exactly, And I don't say that in any
interogatory manner at all. Brilliant, but the meter have got
to pine hs up into put on the paper, you know,
to sell a stone day more or less. Not that
we do anymore, but you know, who cares.

Speaker 13 (12:17):
What they say.

Speaker 11 (12:18):
Donald Trump's a big boy. He can stand up for himself.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Certainly can Yeah, Yeah, I mean absolutely, Ellen mus gets
clicked whatever he does, and he leans into it. He
hardly shies away from controversy. I mean, I can't believe
the amount of stuff he does and the amount of
stuff he puts on x every day. He must be
tweeting or xing, you know, fifteen times a day, and
a lot of it is just to get people annoyed.

(12:42):
So he builds a lot of the feedback and a
lot of the reaction and seems to enjoy it. And
of course, you know, media, they can leach them clicks
off that just by throwing up whatever he said and
pretending to be outraged by it.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Colleen, you'd agree with that.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
I do.

Speaker 11 (13:03):
He can do it at a party, and he can
cry he wants. So if we had all those billions,
I'm sure did give a rep.

Speaker 14 (13:09):
What about what?

Speaker 11 (13:12):
He's not doing anything wrong?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, all right, thank you so much for your call, Colleen.
This texture of ninety two nine two says Musk hasn't
created a single thing himself. He hired others, then brought
them out and took credit for their work. Nothing successful
about it. He hasn't even earned his money. His parents
earned it. Well, that's that's patently not true. That I mean,
he started zip in nineteen Zip two and nineteen ninety five,

(13:37):
sold it for three hundred and seven million dollars. Started
x dot com, the online bank in nineteen ninety nine,
which became power PayPal and sold for one point five
billion dollars. He started SpaceX in two thousand and two,
and he founded open I and open Ai in twenty
fifteen with Sam Oltman. So, I mean he has an
and you know, he was on board with Tesler about

(13:58):
six months after they started, but he was on the
board and they became CEO in two thousand and eight,
but he was there for their first money you know,
money raising round. So it's just not true to say
that he hasn't.

Speaker 15 (14:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's one of those things that people say that they.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
He got a hand up from Mum and dare, But
it's patently you know, that's not true in terms of
what he's created in SpaceX. The founder of SpaceX, and
he was taking a punt, a mass of punt was
something like SpaceX. It could have all if it didn't
work out for him, he could have lost everything.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Right well, well, I'm not sure how much money he
got from his parents. He said he wasn't forty two
billion dollars he hired others. That's absolutely true. You know,
he's definitely can spot someone with some talent, and I
guess he's taken some problem, maybe he's taken unfair credit
here and there. But to say there's nothing successful about

(14:50):
him and that he's sometimes somehow, I don't know, just
lucked into six incredibly successful companies, I don't know. That
seems a little bit, a little bit hard to believe.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
As you said before, he doesn't shy away from controversy,
and he puts out some tweets that he knows is
going to rap people up and upsets certain you know,
members of political parties. Do you think that's done him well,
because clearly that is different to other people who are
billionaires Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos or Richard Branson. Those
are guys that don't traditionally try and poke, you know,

(15:24):
various sectors of society.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Richard Branson back in this day did yeah, yeah, but
not quite to the same level.

Speaker 8 (15:30):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Ellen Musk is a He enjoys trolling, he enjoys the
whole online battle of it all, and potentially that's why
he bought X because he loves the that's the world
that he operates in.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Has that worked out from the what buying X well, well,
just in general being a troll. I mean, clearly he's
a very wealthy guy, and I think he would be
that wealthy whether he likes to pro control people regardless
of that, he's been incredibly successful. But whether that is
that the appeal of him, I'm not articulating this well,
is that the appeal of this guy that he just

(16:07):
he doesn't care about upsetting some people. He does what
he feels as good and he likes a bit of
a trop.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
I'm sure there's people in the wider Tesla business that
are because you know, Tesla wants to sell cars to
one hundred percent of people, and right now it's very
politically polarizing the situation with whether you buy a Tesla.
It might be seeing as a statement to support everything
Elon Musk does, but not everyone does everything just for
the good of their companies, and I think that's something
that pisses people off about Elon Musk that work with him,

(16:35):
as he does what he feels like and what entertains him.
And you know, it's hard to say that it hasn't
been successful when he's currently worth forty two billion dollars,
but I don't know. Four hundred and twenty two billion dollars. Sorry,
forty two billion dollars would be enough. Four hundred and
twenty two billion dollars, but who knows. I mean people
at Tesla and SpaceX might say, I don't know. Maybe

(16:56):
just pump the brakes a little bit there, buddy, And
I know they definitely have in the past when he's
done terrible damage to Tesla's stock. It always seems to
come back, though.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Certainly does Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
How do you feel about Elon Musk is a controversial character?
Genius or Jerke love to hear.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
You if you hate them eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
if you love them? O wa eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
It is twenty four past one.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic Hosking, Breakfast.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Christoper Lux and Prime Minister as well. It's my criticism
of you is that you're too much yack and not
enough do. If you don't like what the Commerce Commissioner
is doing.

Speaker 16 (17:31):
You just all fight up because of Trump's executive orders,
but that's what you do. Exactly what you need to
executive orders. You need to get a pen and start
scratching out a few signatures and do it pasta And
the difference between a presidential system at a parliamentary system,
as you might profound in that regard.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
You and I asked sick of the same things.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
But what I'm watching here is a commerce commission that's
been looking at petrol and supermarkets and building products and
everybody else have done.

Speaker 16 (17:51):
Nothing's happening, So we know what the problem is, but
no one ever pulls the trigger to say that's the
action that needs to take place off the back of
that study. That's what we've got to do this year.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Good afternoon, twenty seven past one, fast discussion about Elon Musk.
Very controversial character, but we'll ask the question is he
a genius or is he a juke? Or is he
a bit of both? If you got nuance on this,
love to hear from you on oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Beryl, how are you this after now?

Speaker 17 (18:24):
Thank you for taking me so quick? I've just got
to go to work. But what I'm saying to you
is my mom used to say, because I believe he
is a genius. But my mum used to say, and
I believe it. The brighter you are, the closer you
are to insanity. And but I mean, at the end
of the day, I'm sure he gives some of his
money away for those that may not like him. And also,

(18:48):
at the same time, if you got that much money,
you can just about call the shots. So the anything,
can't you?

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, yeah, reminds me of another quote, Baryl. The only
difference between genius and insanity is success. And that would
explain Elon is you know, people laughed at him when
he had some of these ideas and say, you're crazy, Elon,
that's never gone at SpaceX, are you kidding me? And
he made it work, and he's very wealthy and successful
because of it.

Speaker 17 (19:12):
Absolutely. The other thing is if he comes around like
he's quite a bit Sirelli and everythink, well, guys, I
know this is going to sound a bit like a stereotype.
But German, he's got that German on them. They're known
to be a bit silly and arrogance. So you know,
maybe it's because of his power and all this money
he's got gone to his head. But I think a
little bit of it is genetics.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
I don't think it's a bit rough on the Germans.
I know, I know a lot of people, a lot
of very humble Germans. Thank you so much. We call Beryl,
you have a great day of works.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Thank you very much. Quick a couple of texts and
we better get to the headlines. Get a guys. Elon
Musk is a calculated risk taker. His signature strategies scheduling
his day in five minute blocks, dedicating one hundred percent
of his attention to one moment, and they are cheap
as everywhere else booked out. I think they kind of
combined two texts there, but clearly the guy, when you

(20:08):
look at the skills across a myriad of different you know, sectors,
the guy is a genius.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I think this is an interesting text on nine two
nine two. Remember that all his networth is on paper
market valley of his company's share, which could crash if
he sold. He is famously all in with what he does.
He bets the house on what he believes in, so
he's not sitting on loads of cash quite the opposite.
But I will say that he's sitting on more cash
than I whilst that forty two billion dollars is slightly confusing,

(20:40):
and you saw that when he went to buy Twitter
as well. You don't have that, and you're you can't
go down to the ATM at the local servo and
get all that money out, absolutely, but he can go
to the local servo and get a lot more money out.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel
about Elon Musk? Is he a genius? Is he crazy?
Is he both? How do you feel about the tweets
and his activity online and his general behavior. I think
it's fair to say, very different to a lot of
other billionaires. But keen to hear from you. Nine two
nine two is the text number. It is bang on
half past one, headlines with railing coming.

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Speaker 3 (22:40):
Thank you very much. Ray Lean.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
We're talking about Elon Musk. Do you hate him? Do
you love him? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two
nine two is the text number we get a lot
of texts of this sort here that I'll share with
you right now. Hi, guys, it's only the woke left
wing media like CNN and most New Zealand media that
hate on Musk. So much for liberal lefty tolerance of
a genius who is clearly on the spectrum as many

(23:03):
very clever people are. Thank goodness, the world has people
like him who actually do things. It's easy to shoot
arrows from the sidelines. Cheers Peter. Yeah, I mean he's
definitely not He's definitely well. He was for the for
the longest time. He was the left lovedom for a
very long time, and then he sort of wasn't so
happy with how California was dealing with the COVID response.

(23:24):
He fell out with them. But you know, his pushing
of evs was initially very popular, but then he you know,
he's definitely moved into the Trump camp now, and so
he is the enemy of one side of the media.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
But correat me if I'm wrong. His whole philosophy about
getting involved with Tesla and building that into the company
that it is today was to tackle the emission side
of the transport sector. Then he started SpaceX primarily because
of that didn't work and things went wrong on Earth
when it came to the climate, he would have an
avenue to try and set up a colony on Mars, right,

(23:57):
So he was this came from altruism about the planet.
We wanted to do something to try and save the
human species.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, I'm not sure about that. Maybe he did, I think.
I think. I mean, look, I'm keen for us to
go to Mars because it's cool, and I think a
lot of what Elon Musk does is just because he
thinks it's cool. But I mean, the Earth would have
to get pretty bad, pretty bad for it to be
as bad as Mars is right now.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do
you feel about Elon Musk, Colleen, You don't like him.

Speaker 12 (24:27):
I don't like I don't know him personally, I think
Colleen on this issue, Yeah, he You were talking about
altruism and how he created Tesla out of concern for
the environment. He also profited hugely from subsidies for being
in a green business. Yeah, but he didn't do that

(24:49):
for free. He did that because he was subsidized. The
only reason he could develop it was because he tapped
into all the government subsidies that the left Greeney governments
were providing. He also inherited considerable wealth from his family,
so it didn't start off a barefoot little boy from Africa.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, we don't know exactly how much how much she
inherited from his family. I mean he went to Canada
and he got he got degrees in physics and economics,
and he at the first startup he in nineteen ninety five.
It was pretty much off his own bat and his
interest in text. So I don't know. And that doesn't
necessarily make you a bad person if your parents.

Speaker 15 (25:26):
Have a bit of money, it doesn't.

Speaker 12 (25:27):
No, it doesn't make you a bad person. It just
makes you clever with the money you inherit. Because it's
easier to be rich when you've already got money than
it is to make money and get rich.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
And it's also it's easy also sorry Colin to speak
over you there, but it's also very easy to be
an absolute bum when your parents have got money as well.
And there's a lot of trust cut there's a lot
of trust fund kids that are the evidence of that.

Speaker 12 (25:49):
Yes, no, do you know about his philosophy on having children?
Mister Musk.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I know that he's got twelve children himself, well, his
father twelve children.

Speaker 12 (25:59):
Yes, he believes that he's genetically as superior as human
being and it is his duty for the good of
the world to have as many children as you can.
He actually makes arrangements with women to bear women whom
he thinks are of a similar superiority as himself to
have children with him. He's had children with women that

(26:22):
work for SpaceX and children with women that he's in
relationships with and marriages with. But he's on a mission
to spread his genes as wide as he can because
he thinks, well, I.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Don't know if I've never really read that he thinks
he's fantastic and needs to spread his genes. I'm not
sure about that part of it. But I know he
thinks that we need more people on the planet, and
he's hugely concerned about population collapse and the world. And so,
you know, just today and one of as many tweets,
for one of his many tweets today, he was saying

(26:57):
that about tax breaks for women that have children, that
he supports them.

Speaker 12 (27:04):
Now he said it himself. He's spoken widely on it
on the subject of his own genetic superiority, which kind
of worries me. I'm like, yeah, okay, well.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
He certainly doesn't have sporting genetic superiority. Have you ever
seen him trying to jump or walk or or do
anything like that?

Speaker 3 (27:22):
He was very fight Mark Zuckerberg.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
He's very awkward.

Speaker 12 (27:26):
Yeah, he is very awkward. I'm sure he's on a spectrum. Yeah,
And I'm sure he's very clever. But I also personally
think he's a bit of a scam artist and he's
not lucky.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh I mean, I mean, I mean, there's no doubt
to make forty two billion dollars, you've got to be lucky.
I mean, you've got to be lucky as well as
you are. You've got to be smart and you've got
to be lucky. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, Well, what I question with Elon Musk and people
like Mark Zuckerberg and these very clever guys that have
made incredible wealth and created incredible things, but how close
do we want them to politics and the policy made
for the good of everybody? Do they need to stay
in their lane? And that's what I worry a little
bit about someone like Elon Musk is that he is

(28:06):
he is incredibly bright, genius and he's done incredible things.
But is he the right person to help decide policy
for the people of America. I don't know. I don't know.
I question that.

Speaker 12 (28:18):
No, I don't think he is. He hasn't lived in
the real world much, so he doesn't understand the challenges
of everyday people.

Speaker 14 (28:29):
Colly, that's the thing.

Speaker 12 (28:30):
Yeah, thank you anyway, I'll let you get on.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
No, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Thank you for your call, Colin.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Really good to chat. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. How do you feel about
Elon Musk? Love to hear from you. It is twenty
to two beg fary. Shortly, you're listening to Matton.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
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Speaker 2 (28:55):
They'd be we're talking about Elon Musk. Do you love
him or hate him? Oh? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
He's a text love Elon Musk. He can put his
boots under my bed any day.

Speaker 8 (29:05):
Lol.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
That's from Kathy. Well, he'd be keen because he seems
to be very, very keen on having as many children
as prompt as possible. He's had a father twelve children
with several different women. He also offers to father children
with friends. Right, he's keen. He really really concerned about

(29:28):
the collapsing birth rate. And you know what, he can
support them, and he's doing his part. He can support them.
He helps in so many disasters, floods, hurricanes, helps USA
and others in getting Internet help working. When others talk
about yes, he has strange ideas, not perfect, he's on
the spectrum. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, and this one guys, mask boarts Twitter so he
could reinstate free speech, something that the government and Facebook
had tampered with for many years. He is great from Diane.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, all right, okay, so one hundred eighty ten eighty Glynn,
your thoughts on Muskie?

Speaker 5 (30:07):
Elon Musk, I'd think he's Virginia. I think he's awesome, excellently.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
What do you like about him?

Speaker 5 (30:18):
He's like a real life Pony Stark when you think
about it, you know, and I don't think there's anyone
else on the planet quite like him. So for me,
that's the appealing thing about him. First time I heard
about him was probably about five years ago when I,
me and my brother were out on his farm out

(30:38):
and Mango Tarsity, and we looked up stargazing and we
just saw these freaking big line of you know, the
Starlink thing. We didn't know what it was, so we're
freaking out. Made a post on Facebook, and then everyone
gets back to us, Oh no, that's basics Elon Musk,
and I was like, who's Elon Musk? I was like, man,

(31:00):
I have to google this guys see you know, and yeah,
just awesome, Like how did I make know about this guy?

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah? And I remember the.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
First time I saw those Starlink satellites go across in
a line, you know, and the way things that are
digitally controlled are so different from nature, though exactly equally distanced.
And they went past over a party, and I thought, geez,
imagine being that guy, Elon Musk, that you have the

(31:35):
power you have those flying over a party. I'm standing
in a Mount Roskell.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Yeah exactly, So that's that's it. Like I was thinking,
is there anyone else on the planet who can see
that they do that sort of thing?

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, well that's exactly it. Glenn, that specific project he
cracked it. I remember covering a project from Google. They
called it Loon, which was effectively sending up these balloons
into the stratosphere with the hope that they get enough
balloons up there they can have Internet for everybody. It failed,
whereas Elon Musk clearly succeeded with Starlink.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
And the thing with him is he he's a trial
and error guy, and he doesn't give up. He's trying to.
If he has a goal, he'll just go for that goal.
And he's got the money to back it up.

Speaker 13 (32:18):
Obviously.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
Yeah, when it comes to.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Him, hey, thank you so much, Glynn. As someone said
here on the text Matt and Tyler, it appears the
more one works, thinks, invests, and actually does about something
he's inspired by, the lucky he becomes. Dennis. I think
there's there's something to be said, and that excuse me,
says Tracy. There is way more to being a father
than just paying for their upkeep. That's a very good point.

(32:42):
I did say he can't afford to support them, but
you know, money isn't everything when it comes to supporting children,
you know, And if you've got twelve kids and you're
as busy as him, you could, you could, you know,
make the allegation that he's not being a very present
father when it comes to all his kids. I understand
they live in most of the kids live in a compound, right,

(33:04):
and that he spends a bit of time. The littlest
one was an X. He seems to have them on
his shoulders a lot of the time.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, it's a hell of a headline. Though, kept in
a compound.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Well, I don't think they kept in a compound. He's
got a compound that they.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Live, and he doesn't, isn't. He hasn't and he looks
after them.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
And he hasn't imprisoned them in a compound. There's a
compound that's available. And imagine that compound is a series
of very very nice houses and palls and stuff. Yeah,
and some of their mums liver there is as well.
But yeah, I absolutely agree with Tracy that money isn't
everything when it comes to being a very good dad.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, thank you, Tracy, Dave you Reckon, he's a genius.

Speaker 19 (33:42):
Yeah, look, we could buy it. We could bring a
dog into here, get rid of your climb and commissioner,
we'll talk with the pass card and imply and apply
some of the Trump policy to New Zealand because look,
way the Trump's man's a genius toos by tariffs and
they come around. You don't take them movements.

Speaker 13 (34:04):
Well, we're going to.

Speaker 19 (34:04):
Buy the tariffs and they soon come around. Yeah. So
because yeah, give her a lot of things so quick,
we're going to have a doze here. Some of the
councils we owed money good.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
I mean, who's closest to our Elon Musk in New Zealand.
We don't really have anything anything like that. Great Graham
Heart doesn't seem to be he's our he's our richest.
He doesn't seem to be heavily interested in politics.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Peter Beek is very a very clever guy, but I
don't think he's that actor for social media.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah. Peter Thiel, who obviously has done some stuff with
Elon Musk in the past, has got residencies here. But
we don't really have our own Elon Musk, do we?

Speaker 3 (34:41):
No? No? Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call David, thank you very much for your
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Speaker 8 (35:05):
Dogs, b.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Talks. There'd be nine to two, David, how do you
feel about Elon Musk?

Speaker 20 (35:13):
I think it's pretty damn brilliant, really, And it sort
of amazes me that the way that he was so highly.

Speaker 9 (35:22):
Thought of until he back to Trump, whereas he never
really changed himself. He's just he just sees the common
sense of what Trump says. And I know Trump says
a few dicky.

Speaker 13 (35:35):
Things, but he's he's.

Speaker 9 (35:38):
A genius, just like Elon Musk. And I think American
is the best hands of all now that the two
of them look. Elon used to sleep on the floor
and in his factory, in his cafes, and mat we
never had any hierarchy. Everyone was treated the same, you know.

(36:01):
I think he's got a lot of respect for the
human race.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I think it's a man who makes a lot of
money but does not seem to be that interested in money,
which is an interesting part of him. He seems to
be more interested in his in his projects or his ideas.

Speaker 20 (36:15):
What do you think, Yeah, absolutely, I just think that
something one of the main things that was lacking integrity
and that I believe loaded with integrity and along with
Trump the tournaments.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
What do you think about this text here that has
just come through Josh the guy as an idiot takes
credit for everyone else. He's a thief. Amazing what people
think without knowing. Look up this guy on YouTube and
TikTok and you will see what he is really like.
I can't believe these people are liking this guy. I mean,

(36:58):
I mean, he definitely started a number of companies the
idea that he I mean, what if you think of
Elon Musk, you can't say that he hasn't been there
at the start of some company. And he was there
at the founding of open ai with Sam Oltman in
twenty fifteen. He was he started x dot com and
that became PayPal, which sold for millions. He started SpaceX,

(37:19):
so he and he was there six months after Tesla
started and was there for their first prototypes and got
their first round of money. As I was saying before,
So whatever your level at Elon Musk, you can't level
that he has just a thief and he's ridden on
other people's genius. I think he has surrounded himself by
very smart people and he's enabled people to achieve would

(37:39):
be a better way to put it. I mean, of course,
Elon Musk wouldn't say that he's done every single part
of SpaceX and every single part of Tesla. You know,
he's as every CEO of a company wouldn't claim to
be the genius across the board that does every little
bit of inventing across the entire company.

Speaker 9 (37:55):
Yeah, but who would sooner have looking after AI China
or a market. I wouldn't do their AI. I wouldn't
like all my information and everything about me stored in China.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Well, there's a fair point, David. I mean I mentioned before,
I think Elon is is an absolute genius. Clearly he is,
and he's created some phenomenal things for the human race.
But do I want on that close to politics? But
just hearing you say that, maybe you do want to
keep guys like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg close to
the political arena because the world is coming to a

(38:35):
point where you need guys like that around you.

Speaker 9 (38:38):
Well, I draw I draw the line at Zuckerberg because
he's just he's just jumped from one ship to the other,
and all he cares about his billions and then he
puts out these things that they're not going to do
the fact checking or anything.

Speaker 21 (38:51):
On Facebook.

Speaker 9 (38:54):
Well, I just happened to see a post about King
Trails the other day, and so I shared it and
then I got fact checked and it got taken down.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's one thing that when people
complain about X, you know, people say that, you know, whatever,
it's gone whatever way. He is very focused on free speech,
and unlike other social media platforms, the algorithm or most
of the algorithm for X are out there that you
can see how stuff gets sorted and how things rise
to the top on X. So yeah, you know that

(39:24):
some of the stuff that's leveled against him is pretty unfair.
Going back to what thank you, thank you so much
for you for your call, David. Now, I was saying,
who is New Zealand's Elon Musk And a bunch of
people have text through Nick Mobray, Oh yes, he is
the c classless thing. We've got to an Elon Musk
the zoo. A lot of people saying he is now
richer than Graham Heart. That's not true. Nick Mobra is
not richer than Graham Heart. Graham Heart is our riches.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Ye, what would the Mobrays be called a billionaire.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
According to this? And look, boy, you look things up
on the internet. Who knows what's true and what's not.
So you know, I'm not willing to die in the cell.
But according to twenty eighth of January twenty twenty five,
which is right now, I'm suspicious of this site, it's
his Graham Hearts with ten point eight one billion. Well,
Peter Jackson's doing pretty good according to this one point

(40:13):
four to seven.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, that's solid.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Maybe Peter Jackson's arilon musk. I mean he's operating in
the tech world. Yeah, he sort of. He floats around
politics a little bit.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Doesn't my shoes that much?

Speaker 10 (40:23):
Is?

Speaker 3 (40:23):
You know?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
It was purchasers in Wellington and such. Yeah, maybe it's
Peter Jackson.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Thank you very much for that. Love that discussion. Right
after two o'clock, let's have a chat about recycling. I
mentioned that I put some of my rubbish in the dishwasher.
Matt laughed at me and called me an absolute.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Lunatic and a loser.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Let's open that up.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
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Speaker 3 (40:52):
Send me well, hello to you, welcome back into the program.
Hope you having a great shoesday afternoon, looking forward to
this chat. There was a post on social media that
I saw and I court my interest, so I'm going
to read out a little bit of it here. How
clean does recycling need to be? This is an ongoing
point of difference between my wife and I said in

(41:12):
gentler words, the poster said, one of us seems to
think the inside of a hormous container needs to be
spark clean. Sometimes it even goes through the dishwasher apparently rinsed. However,
the other one of us prefers to do other things
with their time instead of cleaning rubbish. So long as
it's clearly empty but has some residue on the inside,
then the recycling plants can manage that. Surely, the general

(41:35):
Auckland public doesn't clean their recycling anyway, so average is fine. Well,
dare poster, I am now one of those Aucklanders formerly Contabrian,
that does clean my rubbish to the point where it
is sparkling clean, and sometimes yes, I put it through
the dishwasher.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
I just cannot believe that people like you exist that
you would put rubbish through the dishwasher.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Sometimes it needs it. Sometimes it needs those magical tablets
just to get the last that picks peanut butter out
of that jar.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
If I saw, I think that was the end of
my relationship. If my partner started putting rubbish through the
dishwasher to clean that to recycling, that would be it.
That would be just get the rubbish out of the dishwasher. So,
I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous. So if recycling is so
delicate that everything has to be cleaned before it goes through,

(42:24):
then recycling doesn't really work. Because how many humans are
as crazy as you? How many everyday New Zealanders are
as crazy as you that they're going to put their
rubbish through the bloody dishwasher.

Speaker 13 (42:35):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Well, the reason I started doing it is because it
was said in christ Church that any contamination in the
recycling truck that went around it was a specific truck
just for recycling, just for the yellow bins. Then the
whole lot would go to landfill, go straight into the hole.
So I took it upon myself to do the right thing.
If I'm going to the hassle of recycling my rubbish,

(42:56):
I'm going to make sure it's clean to the standard.
But that's just not going to get chucked in a hole.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
But Tyler, that would mean that all of it was
going to the landfall, because what chances are that everyone
in the street is psychopathic as you. There's bound to
be someone's saying that's not cleaning their rubbish and putting
it out.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Well, you're right, But I lived in Hope. I just
lived in this fantasy land that maybe everybody on my
street was going to be cleaning it to my exact standards.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I'd love to hear from people on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty nineteen niney two if you want to
text us that is actually going through this and is
actually following the recycling rules and actually knows what plastic
containers numbers one, two, and five.

Speaker 18 (43:34):
Me.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah, well you've got me there. I mean, I can't
say I've you ever looked at the back of a container.
Oh that's a number two that needs to be absolutely
scrub clean and put into the yellow bin.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
And what are the stats on this? How much of
the stuff is actually being recycled and how much of
is it just being dumped and landfill? And so you've
got people that yourself torturing, and I don't know if
you're torturing yourself smuggly feeling like you're better than other
people by running your rubbish through the.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Distruyt Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I love that feeling.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Sud's going down the drain electricity.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Those tablets are expensive. How many fossil.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Deals are they pumping out to recycle half a half
a paper piece of I don't know, that weird brownie
recycled gray rubbish, recycled writing paper you get.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
It's a real old dishwasher as well, So it certainly
is an energy efficient but I don't care. You know,
that was what I got told to do if I
want to make an effort in recycling. So I did that.
But I think the wider question for me now at
this point is have I been had? Is that just
an absolute waste of time? Was the christ at city
council idiots for telling me that I needed to do that?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah? The commentary and this actually worries me the primarily
so for far and look, well, love talk to you
on the phone awaye hundred eighteen eighty. But primarily coming
through on the phone are people supporting you putting your
rubbish through the dish washer to keep in line with
recycling rules. My point is, if your recycling rules are

(45:00):
that harsh, then you are eliminating most people from participating
in it. You either need to get better recycling or
you need to just admit you're putting most of it
in a landfill, because who has time for that?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
If you'll followed the rubbish, we need insiders on this.
So you're part of the recycling game and you know
the deal. Give us a buzz oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty, and I'm getting some good support on the text. Hey,
look if you put your rubbish.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Matters a peg. Just yesterday, Matt, you were saying how
disgusting was that people that soil toilets and that you're
doing this, Hang on, that's a totally different thing. I
can think that it's crazy to expect people to put
their recycling through the dishwasher before they put it in
their wheelibin, and also support people not being fecal terrorists
in public toilets. I think I can hold those two

(45:48):
beliefs at the same time.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Give us your thoughts. O eight hundred eighty ten eighty
nine two ninety two is the text number. Let's get
into it. It's to Live a bus.

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Speaker 8 (46:07):
Call Oh eight hundred and eighty News Talks.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
News Talks the be well Well Well, I thought I
was going to get an absolute slamming from our audience
in the Texas.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
It turns out we're a nation of people putting their recycling,
putting their rubbish through the dishwasher.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Just to I'm so proud of you, you News Healing,
Well done, Vicky. I think you're also someone like me
that you put your picks peanut and peanut butter jars
through the dishwasher.

Speaker 22 (46:35):
Absolutely, and margarine containers everything else, like like shampoo containers
that just gets done when I do my hair washing
and the sink. But but yeah, I live in the country,
so I don't have my recycling collected every week, so
I just like too, I've got a whole wallsack of
plastic and then and then several containers of my glass,

(47:00):
and the containers and my tin, and the containers of
my aluminium, and I put them all in the back
of the vehicle and take them down when you know
there's about six six great ready to go down there.
And if I didn't do that, if I didn't wash
them out, they would stink out the garage. So it's
all my beer bottles, and.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I can support that.

Speaker 13 (47:23):
I can support.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
I can support washing them out, and so you don't
get a lot of flies and wasps and it's stinking out.
That makes that makes a lot of sense to me.
But putting it through your dish wash, you don't think
that's a little bit extreme.

Speaker 22 (47:35):
No, I don't, because the still containers until they're put
out to be rubbish. So the food containers that you've
just finished eating out of, so it's not as if
I don't consider them rubbish at all. So I'm definitely
with China, and I'm a very very keen recycle they
have been.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Do you know much vicky about what happens at the
other end, how much of your stuff is being recycled
and how much of it's just being have to into
landfill after you've done your very virtuous hard work and
cleaning it.

Speaker 22 (48:08):
Well, well, I do get my rubbish picked up by
a connection agency like they came around over I managed
to make it out of two months, so it's yeah,
it's fulling. And they offer to do a recycling but
I asked them and they just said that they just
take them to Kate Valley as well. Say, I definitely

(48:30):
take them to a recycling plates and I think they
got out five to ten percent of contamination before it
ruins are shutload.

Speaker 12 (48:38):
So but mine are all.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Perfectly are you are you? Are you washing them to
the point when it's say a peanut butter jar for example,
it has the you know, the label off it.

Speaker 22 (48:51):
Oh no, I don't take the labels off now, yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
It's about harder. Can they restuck on the pretty well?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Can they recycle it with the label on? And if
they can recycle with the label on it, why can't
they recycle it with a bit of peanut butter on it?

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Well?

Speaker 3 (49:02):
I think, well, I think that's a right. Isn't a
Viti You're you're in Canabury, aren't you mentioned Kate Valley? Yeah,
I think that's a right. With the label which you've
just got to get the butter.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
So they can so they can recycle it. So the
peanut butter with the label on it, that's fine. But
if it's got peanut butter and they don't have the
ability to wash the peanut butter out.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Yeah, but that's what we were told, wasn't it, Vicky.
That and I didn't know that it was five to
ten percent contamination Leeway, but that's still you need ninety
percent of people like you and me doing the right thing.

Speaker 13 (49:28):
That's right.

Speaker 22 (49:29):
Well, we might convince everybody else to start our way with.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
China, yet's open. I don't think we'll ever convince Mett.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, I'm I'm seriously disturbed that people are putting their
rubbis through the dishwasher, But like, I still respect you
as a person, VICKI, not so much, Chiler.

Speaker 22 (49:44):
There's also people I used to work with somebody who
was made on recycling and then he got one of
those weally bins and once really bin came in, he
just chucked everything in it. So and probably a lot
of people don't have the really bins are like that. Y.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
That is shocking.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, people, Matt, you are very thank you so much
for you call VICKI and good on you. Ah better
than me? Yeah, good on you, Matt. You were very inconsiderate.
Imagine thousands of is all with bits of rotting food,
and then wake up. You might be okay with filth,
but so many texts coming through that's just disappeared. Down there.
Someone's insulting me and it's disappeared. I want to read

(50:20):
that the full insult. Wake up. You might be okay
with filth, but spare a thought for those working in
the industry. All good for you, tucked up in your
studio sipping latte out of a storrofoam cup.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Well, he's got you pegged, didn't he? What is that
a styrofoam cut?

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I know it's right, mate, I'm real, I am. I'm
pretty virtuous, Thank you very much, Paul. I'm drinking water
out of a reusable water promotional water bottle.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
You read that ticks ahead of time and water bottle.
Keep those teas coming through on nine to two.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Now, I'm not always tucked up in my studio, actually,
Paul off, and I'm out in the real world just
halfing rubbish.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Around into the red bin. I might edge into the
red men.

Speaker 13 (50:57):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Oh wait, one hundred and eight.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
I mean, this is what I believe, and someone proved
me wrong. Okay, is this and maybe we could talk.
You know, who knows what they say. They've lied to
us before. And I know what happened down in Queen's.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
You're talking about the recycling mafia.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, the recycling people. You know down in Queenstown, there
was there was It was just revealed they'd been haffing
it all into the into the into the landfill, no
matter how carefully people put their their peanut butter jars
through the dishwasher.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
And how long did that?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
You know the Walkland's recycling goes to land for a
waste of time washing it says this textre just.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
The Queenstown How long did they keep up that charat?
Because that is not on if they've asked the good
people of Queenstown to recycle and then all along it
just went into a massive hole in the ground.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I don't know, Tyler. I just read the headline in
the Mountain View all of the newspapers down there.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Shame on you, Queenstown. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call? Do you take recycling as
seriously as me? And Vicki, and turns out many other
New Zealanders. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
It's twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk z'b.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Twenty two past two. We've asked the queish do you
wash your rubbish as part of your recycling effort? You
thought I was mad. It turns out, Matt, that what
ninety percent of the text has come in and saying yeah,
absolutely they watched that rubbish.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Doesn't mean that they're not mad people putting their rubbish
through the diskwasher. I am shocked and a pall And
does that make me a bad person because I would
never do that. I would never do that and a
million years put if it's gone.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Well, you're a logical guy, and I get the point that.
And I've never thought about the equation of the amount
of water I use and the SuDS that go into
it and whether that offsets if what I recycle actually
does get recycled, Does that offset my use of a dishwasher?
But I feel good.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Doing you the SuDS going down the drain. This person here, Dan,
I appreciate Dan rea dirty peanut butter jar, slice the
cucumber into it, but of vinegar, mayo chili, and shake
the crap out of it. Delicious. There you go, He's
gonna got the technique. Well done, so Anna, that's right.
So you put what does it? Put some vinegar mayo
chili and shake it up. And the extra peanut butter

(53:12):
that's around the room with the you know that's left
in the jar. You get a delicious snack. Now, No,
I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Yeah, well done. That is true.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Recycling is not crazy.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Another to call get a Chris.

Speaker 10 (53:26):
Hello, how are you very good? First of all, I'm
with Tyler. I don't have a dishwasher, but I have.
I'm a long time I'm seventy two. I'm a long
time passionate recycler. Yes, I wash all my recycling. So
I just washed my dishes, and I wash my recycling

(53:48):
containers in the scent and they go out clean into
the recycling. I will say that my recycling then is
shared by another unit, and I spend a lot of
time going through the recycling then chucking out all the
rubbish that they chuck into the recycling and putting it

(54:09):
in the red thin because I kind of think, what's
the point. The other point that I would like to
raise is that recycling isn't necessarily the biggest priority. Reusing
is so if I buy a punt of homits, I
will use it, wash it out, and then I keep

(54:31):
that container and I might use it for storing whatever
I need to store in it.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, I respect that. If I respect that, Chris, I
always think about that. With a good a perfectly good
jar with the lead that you can still turn, you know,
you can still use multiple times. I feel terrible throwing
out one of those jars.

Speaker 12 (54:53):
Your glass jars.

Speaker 10 (54:54):
You throw out your glass jars. We've got multiple users,
and I just think that we're also focused on recycling.
I think the emphasis should be on reusing. And that's
wh I am. But yeah, my recycling goes out clean,
and I thought my neighbor's recycling rubbish, which my children

(55:17):
think is horrific.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I'm a little bit worried about you going through the
bins as well there. But what I support the I
do support the character of your convision, the courage. You know,
your convictions are strong on that. Well, thank you so
much for your call, Chris, appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
I mean she's going above and beyond. Thank you, Chris.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Okay, afternoon, Okay, and look, I support different types of recycling.
I'm with Chris on that. I reckon that if it's
a jar that can be used again, then buddy, use
it again. I mean, pretty soon in our modern age,
you'll be your entire kitchen will be full of jars.
You can try to desperately find something to put in
because there's so many jars coming through the system. But
I've talked about this on the show before. Cobbling cobbling

(55:57):
your shoes fixed. Yes, that's the that's where you can
actually do recycling, rather than the council pretending that they're
doing recycling and just having it in the landfill. If
you've got a pair of shoes, get them fixed before
you throw them out. Now, that's real, honest recycling right there.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Well, this is good because those pecks, peanut, peanut butter, jars, cans.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
You're really focused on pecks. That's great.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Peanut butter we go through, we go through a jar
a week.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
That is bougie peanut butter cert I'm on good, honest
budget peanut butter sanitarium.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
I don't, but would you prefer that I took those jars.
We probably keep half of them and then recycle the
other other landfill. Do you think I should be taking
those down to Saint John. That would be a bit
of use because somebody is arguably going to use those
jars genuinely rather than a high possibility it's going.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
To end up a whole Saint John doesn't want them,
one of the one of the charity shops want them.
The charity shops don't want your rubbish.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
You don't need to clean jars sparkling clean that have
been through the dishwasher.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
These are good jobs, John, do not want a pile
of your old peanut butter jars.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I'm going to ring up Saint John and find out
if they want jazz.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
But okay, here we go, Here we go, We've got
bin here. We got time to go to the phone
or we need to go.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
To so Naratina's got to bend.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, Ben here, you work in the plastics industry and recycling.
Am I right about what percentage of stuff is getting recycled?

Speaker 15 (57:16):
So I worked there up until ten years ago, So
back then it was about sixty five percent of stuff
was recycled. And the reason why you get about twenty
to twenty five percent contaminate. And then the rest you
can only take so much tannage per day to go
through the processing plant, and so if you're already over

(57:37):
your tonnage, the risk gets dumped and landfill. So yeah,
and then one other thing is a lot of the
plastic here in New Zealand gets processed at the processing plant.
It might go through a wash, depending on how dirty
it is. It gets contained, uploaded on a ship and
sent over seas, which goes to another processing plant, another wash.

(58:00):
Then it gets broken down with chemicals and then made
into drink bottles, plastic camps, post whatever. Now the manufacturer's
normally came seventy They are using seventy percent of the
pollution to process recycled drink bottle. But that's off the
plastic source locally in say China. If the plastics coming

(58:24):
from New Zealand, you've got the pollution of you know,
an extra truck that the diesel, the diesel on thet
going through multiple processing plants before it gets there, and
it's actually using one hundred and twelve percent of the
pollution that it uses to make a new drink bottle,
So you recycling is actually contributing to the planet's demise.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Yeah, Tyler, Well, I'm actually better than you. But when
you say so, sixty five percent so of what was
coming through and this isn't until whatever amount can go
through the processing plant in a day or whatever. So
sixty five percent seems pretty good. I mean, this is
ten years ago. It might have changed, but so sixty
five percent of what comes through out of the wheelibins
end to the track and gets on the convey about whatever.

(59:06):
Sixty five percent of that you could use.

Speaker 15 (59:09):
Yeah, yeah, And the biggest problem back then was dirty
disposable nappies. And if you get dirty disposable nappies in
the truck, if you get so many, the whole truck
has to be dumped. But that was the biggest I
couldn't see why people can't just dump them and you know,
in the actual rubbish bin.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Like I mean, I may hassle Tyler for dishwashings as
a rubbish, but I'm more judgmental of someone that puts
a dirty nappy in the recycling.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Feral behavior, isn't it who does that? That's not so being.
Going back to the people that wash their rubbish like
me and the dishwashers sometimes. Do you think I'm generally
going too far? Is that not of any use to
to recycling in New Zealand?

Speaker 15 (59:51):
It would definitely help to a point. But you've got
to pull in the context that if someone's dumped the
milk bottle that's got half you know, that's half full
of milk, it's going in the truck, it's getting compacted.
Then it's going to go through everything in the truck.
So you're washing your don't or whatever. It's not going
to make an absolute difference.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Hey, I've been and like you say, you've been out
of the business for ten years, but I don't I
menagine it's changed that much in that time. What's what's
fueling all the recycling equipment? What's fueling that.

Speaker 9 (01:00:25):
So power?

Speaker 14 (01:00:26):
Guess?

Speaker 15 (01:00:26):
Yeah, you know, Okay, if you're getting your power from
my cold burning plant, it's not the best that's contributing.
If you're getting it from lakes or salt panels or whatever.

Speaker 10 (01:00:36):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:00:37):
Okay, you can argue the cabin footprints coming down, but
the biggest thing is if you've got to ship your
plastic halfway around the world to have it process process,
then it's not worth it because it's it's better off
to just make new stuff rather than recycling. So in
a way, recycling is the biggest head around. Okay, there

(01:00:58):
is companies in New Zealand that will make plastic fence
posts and stuff like that. You know, good on them.
But yeah, to me, I think you've been off to
dump the plastic can land because you're going to use less,
you know, contribute less to the planets, tomis than what
you are seeing overseas well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Thanks so much for your call, Ben, appreciate that. I mean, also,
just use this stuff as instead of being all virtuous
with your recycling, just use this stuff Tyler. Yeah, like
why you've got you buying so many things and different containers.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Have you tried? Picks me up? But her, it's real
good man. Once you have that, you'll never go back. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is another to call
it is twenty eight to three.

Speaker 18 (01:01:41):
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no trouble with the blue bubble.

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(01:02:34):
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ends at Herald Premium. Back now to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Thank you very much, Raylean. It is twenty five to
three and we're talking about recycling in New Zealand's it
was with the rules with standard eyes February last year
between the councils. That was a massive bone of contention.
But I am quite fastidious with how I cleaned my rubbish. Matt,
you thought I was a lunatic and a bit of
a loser for doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
But I on the record, if my partner started putting
the recycling through the dishwasher, I would that would be it.
That would be marching orders. And this texture I think
agrees with me. Oh good grief. This is the most
contentious issue in my house. My husband is a fanatic,
borderline obsessed. It literally drives me crazy. But now he's

(01:03:40):
resorted to resorted to cleaning the glad wrap I use
in the dish washer. Some of the labels come off
and the dishwasher and clog it up. He's an orthopedic surgeon,
semi retired, and this problem he has needs therapy almost regards.
That's from k So we might be able to work
that out. Who that is, you know, an orthopedic surgeon
married to Okay, but.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Yeah, I mean I can see how an.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Orthopedic surgeon would get obsessed with cleaning things, because you'd
have a career of very very important that all your
all your stuff was nice and clean. But putting would
you put glad rap through the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
That's where I draw the line. I'd certainly would wash
the glad rap, although I'd take my head off to
you for doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
That six it says, I think you are correct. Matt.
My partner attended a council run recycling seminar. They all
came away thinking most recycling is contaminated or not cost
effective and ends up in landfill. Waste of time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Very good. Let's go to the phones and Johnny, how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 13 (01:04:35):
Oh not too bad mate, Yeah, look, I've well been
sitting here listening. Well, I had a look on that
AI machine and I looked up our new chilland recycling and.

Speaker 23 (01:04:50):
About the dishes and tied it all together. Yeah, but
the typical chat GPT. Yeah, percentage of unrecyclable waste from
the stream and news yelling that's placed in landfill was
my question and it got back. Seventeen percent of items
recycling facilities are diverted to landfills because of contamination. The

(01:05:13):
contamination rates area across the country, but also by far
the worst twenty as their number seventy percent the medium median, so.

Speaker 13 (01:05:27):
A lot of central amount of recycleds been sent to landfills.
The next question was like, how much is it going
to cost us doing it through people with doschwatters. I
still wash mine of the sink.

Speaker 24 (01:05:41):
I don't have a doshwasher on the doshwasher, So yeah, look,
it works out that it's about five percent extra.

Speaker 13 (01:05:53):
Of water use under one hundred dollars New Zealand annually
for energy. And if you're using a cold water rots,
you don't have to have a pump to contribute to
that bell saying one liter of water from fifteen degrees
fifty five degrees users went five killer watts and it

(01:06:15):
costs you one to two liters of water, depending on
how sordid is. They're saying fifty one hundred liters of
water weekly for a household recycling, and but fifty plastic
items a week, and I thought fifty. There's like five
of us here, right, and we're going fifty and we

(01:06:36):
don't buy organic extensive stuff wrecked in paper because it's
you know, water. Well, I remember getting that stuff from
paper bags and not having pay for them and watching
stuff being wrapped in paper, and you know, we explored
a lot of paper in our recycling. But yeah, I
just said, it's it's a marginal loss, but it's it's

(01:06:57):
the principle. I mean, when my mom went like this,
she started off watching jars and saving them for screws
and you know, things like that. And when we went
through your stuff she got dementia. We found it was
just recycling and the whole Garrett was full to the
floor of a nightmare of everything being was and scrubbed
until it was surgically clean.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Well, you've certainly run the numbers, Johnny, and it sounded
like you're, well, you're kind of doing what I'm doing.
You're the diswasher in your house. Thank you very much. Good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I would remind people though, when you do. You know,
ai AS has very capable of what they call mirages,
where it grabs money, it doesn't know what's true and
does not know what.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
I've heard some shocking answers from chech GVT said, the
careful with that ai eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call, will take a quick break
and be met with more of your phone calls very shortly.
Including Sally who sees she doesn't throw anything out. It
is twenty to three.

Speaker 8 (01:07:56):
Have a chat with the lads on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo xc N eighty
ticking every box, a seamless experience awaits.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
News talks be okay. So apparently I'm wrong about something.
I thought that op shops definitely wouldn't want your old jars.
Youre ol peanut butter jars with the lid still working.
Someone saying op shops very much want clean jars? Is
that true? I mean, I mean, I don't know why
a man who's texts the is I trust her implicitly?
Why would she text that? And it's not true? But
I just what would they do with them?

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Well, when you mentioned that, and I've got to you know,
you've got to be careful on what you drop off
at op shops because they get a lot of dumped outside.
I hate and that is disgusting.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
It's incredibly selfish when you see a first thing on
a Monday morning and there's some poor op shop, that
charity shop that's just got piles of someone's crap that
they couldn't get rid of, that they've put out the
front acting like there's somehow being virtuous when really they're
just dumping rubbish on someone having to deal with it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Yeah, and they're all volunteers. They don't have time to
work through that. I'm going to google it. Do op
shops actually like random jars left outside of their place
of business.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
And someone saying that, you know, if you've got all
these jars, because I'm all for that kind of recycling,
I'm big on it, cobbling, getting your shoes fixed, buying
less crap read you don't have to throw it out,
and reusing jars and reusing plastic. I'm all in on that.
I'm all on that. But someone here is saying that
you put your jars up on Facebook and people will
come and get them because people might need them for

(01:09:24):
whatever things they're into. And I respect that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Well, what's the names of those old kind of jars?
My mum used to make Mason Mason jars. Yeah, my
mum used to make all the but it preserves. Why
don't you make preserves Tyler on you and put them
in your peanut butter jars instead of putting them through
the dishwasher.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Long story, but I bought a dehydrator and it was
awful and terrible and so much work for bugger roll.
But we'll get into that down the tree yet A Sally.

Speaker 25 (01:09:47):
Hello, Well, I'm with a volunteer in a up shop
for over twenty.

Speaker 8 (01:09:53):
Years, oh yes, and people were.

Speaker 25 (01:09:55):
Always coming and to jars for their mom and laid
and their saucers and everything. So I have never ever
thrown any one of those jars out. I washed them
at the end of the wash up because I don't
have a dish washer, so just what the waters left
after washing the normal things. And if they've got labels

(01:10:19):
on them, I stick them in a bucket with some
old water in it until the label soaks off. And
I wouldn't dream of throwing them away when I know
people used to come into the up shop just look
marmalade time we didn't have enough, and sauce making time

(01:10:39):
with tomato sauce we didn't have enough. So you why
would rubbish?

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Well, I agree with you, Sally, So you currently work
for an op shop and if I turn up with
you know, a box full of picks peanut butter jars, empty,
perfectly cleaned, you'd happily accept them, would you?

Speaker 15 (01:10:56):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Okay, well there we go. Thank you very much, Sally.
Really nice to yet with you. All right, you have
a good day, some great taps coming through on nine
two nine two guys. If contaminated recyclables get dumped, then
why does the council have recycle bins on the street
for the public to put containers in. They have them
on Packenham Street in the viaduct in Auckland. Nothing is

(01:11:19):
being washed before people place containers in them all or
are they dumping or recycling needs from Jack? It's a
fair point.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Yeah, I'm suspicious of the whole god damn thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
I'm questioning everything now. Yeah, I mean I'm still all
die on this hill, even if it's making not a
stick a difference in the recycling game. If I think
I'm doing the right thing, that I get a kick
out of that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
And well what about this here about the state of
your dishwasher this Texas is yuck, Tyler, check your dishwasher.
It will be disgusting. Wipe under door, room inside at bottom,
black scum and filter. It's not a food disposal unit.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
I'm an a rental so that issue, Thank you very much.
Right after some messages, we're going to have a chat
to doctor Jeff Seeden. He is an expert in recycling,
and hopefully he'll be able to put a few myths
to bed and give us some insight about whether what
I'm doing makes us stick a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Because yeah, I've just been sitting here speculating. I'm suspicious
of the whole thing. But let's talk to someone that
actually knows what they're talking about and get to the
bottom of it. And we won't be checking check GPT
because it lies.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
It's gonna be good. Thirteen to three.

Speaker 8 (01:12:30):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
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Speaker 8 (01:12:39):
News Talks d B.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
News Talks said, be it is ten to three right
just before.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
We go on to this next little bit here, there's
just a lot of controversy around jars, and I said,
look that I didn't think op shops wanted your jars,
but there's a lot coming through here. Hey, guys, I
work at ESBA op shop and people are screaming out
for clean jars. Okay, the op shop dumping Oh this

(01:13:09):
is called selvy scabs where they scavenged through all the
for ours donations and make the good stuff and leave
us behind. I'm sick of cleaning up the mess. That's
one I use all our jars for bottling. Hang on,
I'm not lost to what my machine just went.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Really, the teas machine is blowing up all the demand
for jars. I had no idea on that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Yeah, it keeps going down one every time I try
and read out the last one. So much stuff coming through.
But some people are saying that there's a huge demand
for jars, such as jars that you will be used
for your peanut butter and then to be used for
other stuff. And some people are saying that our op
shops don't want them. So I guess check with your
opshop first.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Yeah, good advice.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Don't just arrive later on a Sunday night and dump
it there for them to them to work out. Take
them and ask them if they want them.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Yeah, yeah, good advice. Right to rap this up because
it's been a good discussion about recycling, but we thought
we'd get someone who knows what they're talking about to
wrap up this hour. Doctor Jeff Seden is an independent
environmental scientist and integrated waste management experting joins us on
the line, get a doctor sedon afternoon.

Speaker 26 (01:14:09):
Nice to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
What percentage, doctor Seden, of items going through our wheellybins
are actually being recycled.

Speaker 26 (01:14:19):
Probably about eighty percent of what goes through, and the
other twenty percent is due to contaminants. And the difficulty is,
you know, people put things in a plastic bag and
then put them into their recycling bin, and while they
may have put everything correctly into that plastic bag, it's

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the plastic bag itself that can't be recycled through that system.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
We SORR eighty percent a really high number. I haven't
seen that anywhere else. I'm hearing that eighty percent of
what goes through. But if the machine has been there's
only so much that you can do in any given day,
and more comes through than they can deal with. That
Is that? Are you including that in your number? I?

Speaker 26 (01:15:02):
Yes, I am including that. What we've got is this
level of contamination, which is about twenty percent, and so
that causes the difficulties.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
So everything that isn't contaminated gets recycled. Is that what
you're saying?

Speaker 26 (01:15:19):
Not necessarily if you have, say a plastic bag with
stuff in it for recycling, it won't be recycled because
the plastic bag itself can't be, so they'll just put
that aside and that ends up going to the landfill.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
So what's the gross number then? So taking into that
account into what's contaminated, I mean, so you're saying that
eighty percent of stuff could be recycled, but what percentage
is actually recited, recycled and becomes another product.

Speaker 26 (01:15:47):
Yeah, it is around about eighty percent. It's about twenty
percent which contains stuff that can be recycled like that ones, twos,
fives and paper, et cetera. But they can also be
in things like plastic bag so that won't go through.
And of course then there is the the contaminated stuff

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people putting in the nappies and all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
So just to get this straight, just because I'm sorry,
I'm a little bit confused here. So you're saying eighty
percent of the rubbish that's put into recycling bins, say
for example, in Auckland, goes through the processing part, doesn't
end up in landfill and gets recycled and becomes another product.

Speaker 26 (01:16:30):
Yeah that's about right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Wow, is that a change? Doctor? Sedam because I the
messaging from the Christian City Council, for example, before the
standardized rules came into play, was that there was an
allowance I believe, of ten percent contamination in a recycling
truck and if that was exceeded, the whole lot went
into landfill. Was that the case before the standardization, Yeah,

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that was the case.

Speaker 26 (01:16:55):
And you know, likewise, they allow a certain amount of contamination.
So if they can pick up the level of contamination
as being above the ten percent, then the whole thing
goes off to landfall. And what they what they're discovering
is that we're still getting about eighty percent, but yes,
there is a larger amount being sent to landfill, and

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there be it used to be about ten percent, but
over about the last decade or so, people have been
putting in more contaminants.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
And where are these where are these recycled products going?
Where are they coming out the other end? Are they?
So you say, once it goes through the say the
refuse transit center, eighty percent of it is that then
sent to recycling companies that then do the work.

Speaker 26 (01:17:42):
Well, yeah, it goes through the recycling companies and they
sell it on to manufacturers and those manufacturers are both
local and international.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Is that system working well at the moment, doctor Sedan
or is there still a lot of flaws within that
particular system.

Speaker 26 (01:18:00):
Well, obviously, if you've got twenty percent of the material contaminators,
then there are full flows and it has been increasing.
The change through a nationwide single system has helped things nationally,
but there's also been changes like, for example, in Auckland

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used to leave the lids on. In other countries and
other parts of the country you had lids off bottles,
and now with that change, that's some people haven't caught
up with those sorts of changes, even though the publicity's
been there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Well, it's so interesting because I'm just looking at this
Auckland site that's saying we only recycling compost about one
third of the materials that we place on our curb
side and two thirds are sent to landfill. So that
eighty percent figure is much higher than what I'm reading here,
So that's very interesting. Do you know what percentage of
the recycling that goes to other companies? Do they use

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all of it as the process robust at our refuge
transfer centers such that they use it all or that
not sure?

Speaker 18 (01:19:07):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Hey, thank you so much for you. We've got to
go now, Doctor Jeff Seden, independent environmental scientist.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Yeah, thank you very much, doctor Seden. Well, interesting discussion
and good to get the doctor on. But I'm still
a little bit confused about whether it is fit for purpose.
I'm still going to put my refuge and rubbish through
the dishwasher because it makes me feel good about myself.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
I'm still very skeptical talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo X
ninety News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Good afternoon to you, welcome back to the show seven
pass three. So this topic is going to be a doozy,
is it okay? With take your over there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
So I've just got this brand new cheer. Thank you
very much News Talks. He'dbi it's a beautiful to demanded
chair parody with my cost gang and I've got this
new chair. It's great. But then ironically it's just wrapped
my headphone called around the chair and its new fancy
working and so it delayed the show. So what's the
ers cheers? I'm very comfortable, but just just as a

(01:20:12):
few teething issues with the length of my cord.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
So anyway, I mean that that comfort, that that support the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Lumbo because you've been sitting in the Hosking chair and
you've I've seen how straight your back's getting.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
I don't like going home anymore with my couch. My
couch is actually a pain in my back. And I
come back here at nighttime and just sit in this
chain thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
But it's kind of that there is that saying, you know,
like you know, the best one of the most important
places to spend money is on your bed because you
spend so much time there. It's so good for your health. Yes,
true of a cheer too, Definitely a bad cheer working
all down. A bad cheer is a terrible thing if
you're going to spend any money spending on cheers. And
thank you, me and me, thanks Bogsy for my new chair.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Right onto this one. This is going to be a
great conversation. Is it okay to track your children and
other family members and maybe even your friends with a
new technology that you can use to track people wherever
they go?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Yeah, this is a really interesting article should you track
your kids through their phone? That came out last week?
Where is this from Business Insider Business Insider, you're all
just combobulated from the chair incident Business Insider. It's an
interesting article. I would never track my kids, and I'd
love to hear what people think why they do it
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty because I think you

(01:21:27):
just a you're not saying you're saying that you don't
trust them. They've always got a backstop, as I guess
why I would not do it, And I just think
that that's extra worry because it's not really like you're
constantly checking on them all the time. When they're not
with you, they're not with you, and then and that's
the school looks after them. There's a problem. They'll ring
you if if they can't get to school, they'll they'll
they'll they'll ring you. You you'll hear about it. I

(01:21:49):
just think you've just got to let them go into
the world. When you let them go into the world,
and you've got to get on with your life when
you're away, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
That point where you let them go and you've got
to trust that things are going to be okay without
knowing where they are twenty four to seven. And I
mentioned a little bit earlier in the show that mAb's family.
They all track each other, and part one of me
thinks that's kind of love. Your partner may have been
my partner.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
YEP.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
So primarily they do that because her mum has managed
to track down a lot of the phones that went
missing via various adventures that they've had, but they also
do it as part of safety. So part of me
actually kind of likes that idea, one that her mum,
Lisa has managed to recover a lot of phones that
were initially lost with find my Phone.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Yeah, I get that, but you can run the like, yeah,
you can run that without tracking or checking on people. Yeah,
you can have the devices in the system. I guess
you know. And I've got my devices and I find
my phone. In fact, I found out when we were
talking about this that I am actually tracking one entire family.
I didn't know I was. I was like, they're all there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
You were fascinated by me. Holy moly, look at all
these people on tracking.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
I've been virtuously walking around saying I don't track my family,
I trust them to do stuff. But then I was
tracking them. But I just wasn't looking at the tracking.
And the other side of this was within a romantic
relationship with your partner. And there's a story that's in
the Hero Today Melbourne woman shears moment she caught her
partner cheating through Apple Watch. So it's one thing to

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track your kids, because you might be going, oh my kids,
the safety whatever reason. I can see that, But tracking
your partner is a huge lack of trust.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Yeah. I wouldn't let may track me no way. If
she came to me and said I want to get
you on the the find my phone or the Life
three sixty I think is the other rap, just so
I know that you're safe, I would say, look, maybe
I love you, but I'm really sorry. The idea of
being tracked twenty four seven wherever I am at the
world just feels a bit weird to me. And I'm

(01:23:44):
doing nothing wrong. I've got an incredibly boring life. Maybe
that's what I am worried about.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Anywy's find out that you not up to anything interesting.
But you know, maybe you're maybe you want to have
just some freedom to go and do something. You're not
cheating on your partner, but you're maybe playing golf. Yeah
you know, and you don't want her just knowing the
whole time you're playing golf, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
And she can call me if you know, if I've
spent way too long at God decided to have an
extra couple of beers at the pub, she can ring
me and say, I thought you're going to be home
an hour ago. Sorry, I decided to stick around a
bit longer. But to me a little bit about trust.
But also that's just that's my privacy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Yeah. Well, well, as it says in this article, one
person's taken it. When teenagers with teenagers, it just indicates
a lack of faith that you have raised them to
make the right decisions. And it's like living in a
nanty state, said this communications professional. And Nikki, Yeah, so
I think that's a lack of faith in your partner
if you're tracking them, and it's a lack of faith

(01:24:41):
in your kids if you're tracking them. But I could
be wrong. And look, I've got very well behaved kids,
and look I put that down a lot to the
excellent work of their mum. But oh wait, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number? Do you track
your kids? And if so why And if you don't,
then then if so, why because I'd love to hear
from you in nineteen nine two is the text number.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
It is twelve past three. Beg very shortly. You're listening
to Matt and Tyler. Quarter past three.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
We're talking about tracking your kids and partners. We've got
a Melbourne woman who found her husband cheating. But look,
we want to talk about tracking your kids too. Here's
a text on nine two nine two. We as a
family can track each other and are all happy for
it to be like this. We have nothing to hide,
and do it for safety reasons and if we lose
our phones. I get definitely tracking your devices, but sure

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for safety reasons and have nothing to hide. But it's
also for me. It's just saying that you trust someone.
You don't track them, you could, but you trust them.
And I think that's really powerful, but I could be wrong.
I wait, undred eighty ten eighty Mark. You've got a
family that does it, Yeah, curry good.

Speaker 27 (01:25:52):
Yeah, lookin have done for years. So I've got two
daughters and they're now twenty nine and thirty one, and
this has been in place for well over a decade,
and so we're teenagers and it is absolutely a safety thing.
And you know, we don't check up on each other
to my knowledge, one of those daughters as a n
and she said she feels more comfortable that I can
track her when she's go on shifts, walking back to

(01:26:14):
the car and those kinds of things. If anything did
happen to go wrong. They both travel a lot, absolutely
up to them where they take that tracking off and
say they're adults now and both of them actually feel
safer as asman out on their own off.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Now, Mark, would you if just check up on them
or do you do you track them? You know, just
if there's an emergency or a problem, or for the
safety you know, the knowledge that they are safe if
anything happened you knew where they were, or would you
just check in where they are on just for no interest?

Speaker 8 (01:26:46):
No?

Speaker 27 (01:26:47):
Never, never would. I mean if I want to unask them,
and that's the trust thing. They can track us as well,
and you know there's a trust thing, and you know,
I've got no.

Speaker 9 (01:26:56):
Reason to abuse it.

Speaker 27 (01:26:58):
They're good kids, They've got their adults, they've got their
own lives. But I know that if anything did go wrong,
and more importantly, and they say, as young women, they
feel safe for knowing that I can find them quickly
and can get in a car and get there if
I have to do you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
Think there is a difference there with young women and
young young men, you know, daughters and sons. Mark, And
I'm not saying that to be seeks. It's just the
reality of the world, right, is that young females can
be put into positions where they feel more unsafe than
young guys.

Speaker 27 (01:27:26):
Yeah, you're asking your father here, so absolutely, Particularly, I
say with one of mine who's a nurse, and you know,
they end up walking backwards in christ Church, walking backwards
back across through around Hackley Park area at eleven eleven
thirty at night or going at six o'clock in the morning,
you know, and they're both very conscious of their own safety.
But I guess the message is it's not parents putting

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it on them in this case. They're adults, self determining
and they feel safe for us being able to find them.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
If we had to have you had any situations in
which the tracking has been useful.

Speaker 27 (01:28:01):
A couple where you received a phone call, you know,
with people feeling but uncomfortable other dodgy people around and
having a conversation on the way back to a car
with both of them on different occasions where they knew
that if they told me that they needed help, I
knew exactly where they were. I could have called the
cops or copped them myself or whatever. But nothing any

(01:28:23):
more than that and a couple of lost phones or
misplaced phones and that, and they can go onto the
app and do that themselves, so they don't even need
me for that. But it started off when they were
younger teenagers that just started to go out on their
own and you know, and just knowing the actually convenience
saying where to pick them up because they always gave
you the wrong streak.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Now it sounds like you've got a very good relationship
with your daughters and you know they love having dad
there as an extra line of safety. And look, I can't,
I can't, you know, I can't pour throw any shade
at that. It seems like a very honorable thing. Would
you Have you ever come across any dishonesty from them

(01:29:04):
where they've said they're going to be somewhere and then
they're not, or any situation like that ever occurred.

Speaker 27 (01:29:10):
That's nothing the right home about, you know, in a
slightly different place or whatever. But yeah, I think that's
for me. For me, the thing has opened this absolutely
no way that that should give or be done without
everybody's knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Yeah, yeah, and and and what.

Speaker 5 (01:29:27):
Not?

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Yeah? And what say? Yeah? And what's say? Because this
is this is hypothetical. It's not your situation. But say
you had a child that was had had a drug
problem and they were trying to get clean and you
weren't sure that they were they were keeping true to
what they were saying. Would you support tracking them then?
So you know you're looking at this and going, oh, well,

(01:29:49):
hang on, they're clearly gone to buy some drugs or
or whatever. Can you imagine a situation like that morally?
Just just to I mean, I know it's not your situation,
so you're only speculating, but what would you think about that?

Speaker 27 (01:30:01):
No, No, I work in a clearly technical industry, and
you know it's how many is in the situation where
you've got an open family app like that, you can
spook your location to be anywhere you want to if
you want to be sized about it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
So right, yeah, yeah, but no, good on you, Mark.
I can absolutely understand that from a safety point of view.
And I mentioned before my partner Mave it's all daughters.
She's got three sisters, and I'm not being sexist here,
but I get it from a safety perspective, it is
probably more precarious for females young females, and it is
for young men. And I imagine young men would.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
That Tyler, I think that's reception because because young men
get into a lot of trouble, I mean, men get
into more trouble than than girls do of their own volition.
It would seem if you look at the stats.

Speaker 27 (01:30:47):
I think you're find that they are.

Speaker 19 (01:30:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:30:49):
I don't know the stats, but my impression would be
that female potentially walking on her own or in a
small group but not is much more likely to be
hassled than that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, from from that perspective. Mark here,
from that one I'm saying in terms of getting themselves
in trouble. Yeah, but yeah, I mean I can tell you,
and thanks for your call, Mark, But yeah, maybe that's
because I've got two sons and I'm a dad, and
maybe there's a slight bit of sexes and there I'm
not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Well, but yeah, but you're quite right, young men would
arguably get themselves into more trouble than the females. A
young woman, but whether tracking your sons would have any
different you know, would would change that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
I would just like to say to my sons and
I'm not tracking you and I trust you to make
the right decisions out there in the world of your
own volition.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Yeah. Yeah, but if they lose lose their fone they.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Don't have daughters, that might be totally different if they
had a daughter, because I know that dads feel very
protective of their daughters in a slightly different way.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Yeah, give us a call. I wait, one hundred eighty
ten eighty. If you're a family that tracks each other,
love to hear from you. Why nine two ninety two
is the text number as well? It is twenty one
past three, be very shortly hear on news talks. I'd be.

Speaker 13 (01:32:05):
Mad.

Speaker 8 (01:32:05):
Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
Call oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on news
Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
Good afternoon, twenty four past three.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
We're talking about tracking your family members and it's a
very heated debate on both sides.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
It certainly is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Yeah, tight hundred eighty ten eighty do you track your
family and why? Or one hundred eighty ten eighty Do
you think that tracking your family is wrong and unnecessary?

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Some great teachs coming through a nine two nine two. Goodday, guys.
I gave my twenty four year old son an Apple
eartag when he went traveling in Europe for four months.
Didn't need to contact him very often, as could see
where he was at any time. It was fantastic. Bonus
was he had the tag in his travel documents so
he could track them if anything got stolen from Julian.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Yeah, this TEXTU disagrees. Safety excuse makes these people feel good.
Tracking is only good going to lead to disaster, so
stop it. This person says, I started tracking my family
after I saw the movie Taken.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Great movie.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Oh yeah, how does it go? I do have a
very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over
a very long career, skills that make me a nightmare
for people like you. One of the great speeches, right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Line, you don't want to leave Nissan after.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
A fantastic movie. Yeah, I can sort of understand the
logic there, Loos, how are you?

Speaker 11 (01:33:29):
I'm good?

Speaker 10 (01:33:30):
Thank you good?

Speaker 14 (01:33:31):
So you're wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Interesting conversation, Thank you, thank you, thank you for joining
us for it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
Oh, you're you're fine. I agree with three sixty. There's
my daughter, who partner, my granddaughter, my grandson who is
in Europe. We're all on it together. And as Nana,
I'm a worrier and if I'm concerned at all, bomb

(01:34:00):
I sport them to see where they are, to see
if they're at work or at school or Tyler's in Europe.
What's happening to him if we haven't heard. Yeah, we've
had a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
And are they and are they happy? Are they happy
for you to be checking in whether they're at work
or not?

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
Yep, they call me the stalker. It's all out of love.
I'm not on it all the time, but I just
you know, when my daughter takes off for work in
the morning, I just when she I think, oh, eight o'clock,
she'll be there. I'll go on then and think, oh god,

(01:34:42):
she's at work. You know she's not caught up in
traffic or accident or in hospital.

Speaker 10 (01:34:47):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
So yeah, do you think that if you didn't. But
if you can't, if you couldn't track them at all,
then what are the worrying? Just stop the fact that
you have this extra piece of information that you can
lock up all the time. That means that you're here.
You know what I mean, Like when I when I
go to work, my kids go to school, and I

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stop worrying about them at that point. But if I
had the bility of track them, I don't know what
I start looking in and going are they school or
are they wagging? I don't know. I just I just think.
I think if people aren't with you, then you then
this is the way. And I'm not I'm not judging
what you do and and you be you and bless,
but I just feel like it would add another layer

(01:35:31):
of worry to me because I'd be going, well, I
could check now, I could check now, I could check now,
I could check now instead of I can only check
when I get home from when they get home from school.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
Oh well, if it's true, I mean, I don't do
it during the day or anything. It's just once they've
got to the place they were going, I feel better,
you know, I can. I feel better about my day.
Then I can eat have my break. You're about my
family as safe.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
Yeah, you're a great mum and Grandma lowers so honestly,
once you see that they get to the place and
you can can eat your food because you're feeling better,
honesty call. Then you put down the Life three sixty
app and you don't look at it at it again?

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
No, No, I go on to TEAMU or one of the.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
About them, Yeah, love it.

Speaker 17 (01:36:25):
Thinking about all right, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
I do love it. And it's no nothing against not trusting.
We all agreed. Absolutely fabulous. You know, it's a fabulous
thing in my eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
My well, thank you so much for your call. Have
you forgotten, Matt what you were like as a teenage boy.
As a parent of two young girls, it's my job
to protect them against boys and what they try to
get up to. Things have changed for the better. And
I admire Robinson for what he's done. I'm sure Robinson
is what he's done. It's about education. I think it's working.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Yeah, well do I think about it? And I don't
have children, but partner mave and she hasn't asked me
to go on one of these tracking apps. And I
don't like the idea of it, but on the occasion,
and it doesn't have that often quite often, well, sometimes
Mayvee has you know the girls night where she goes
out and has a great time in town to say,
and I love that fantastic go and do that, and

(01:37:21):
on the odd occasion it's getting quite late, as in
like two am, and her phone might have died on
those occasions, I'll admit that having some sort of you know,
find my phone just so I know that mave as
my partner is safe is not a bad thing. But
at a slippery slope.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Well, well, I guess it depends what your motives are.
If your motives are safety, And I'm way more sympathetic
when it comes to parents and their children because the
protective spirit there, and there's your job as a parent
to protect your kids. I get that. I wouldn't I
don't do it, but I'm not really judging people for that.
But if you are tracking your partner, you'd have to

(01:38:00):
be sure it's for safety and not because you don't
trust them to be unfaithful or something, because then I
think that's a very unhealthy relationship. If you're sitting you're
tracking your partner all the time because you're worried they're
running off for someone else, I think that's that's that's
going to lead to misery. So you'd have to be
very sure that your tracking was purely for safety.

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred eight eighty is the number to
call if you use one of these apps. I love
to chat with you nine two ninety two. If you've
had a bit of a debate in the household about
the morality of using these apps, love to hear from
you as well. It is bad.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
And if you're covertly tracking your family and haven't told
them about it, I'd like to hear that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
Give us a call. We'll keep you anonymous. It is
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Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
So cold in the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
It isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
I'm always pushing for it to be cold in here
because I believe it keeps you sharp. But I've gone
too far today and it is.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
Do you want to say anything. I'm glad, Jo'm like man,
I should have rode a jump of today because Mett
wanted at sixteen degrees and forcuse, icycles on the blooming roof.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
It's like a beverage in here. I've gone too far
drunk on my own power of being able to control
the ARCon I bet those people tracking their kids are
also double parking outside the school at three pm. Two Yeah,
I mean, gott to let your kids walk home from
school if they possibly can. More worrying if you have
to constantly check their phones don't track, And if I needed,

(01:40:47):
I could go into my husband's phone as soon as
I feel in need. I know there are bigger issues
same with kids, and it means we have to have
open conversations. If you're suspicious. Yeah, I mean, I've read
that text very badly, but I hope you get the
gist of it. I'm freezing up here. I'm shaking, I
can't read.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
We're going to turn that he's up and get some
blood flow again. But just on that point, that is
how I know that it is a safety issue not
a trust issue. Is that I'm more than happy to
give the past code to my phone easy. Yes, that's
an open book. If Mave wants to have a look
on the phone, go for gold. But I still do
not want to be tracked, and not because I'm doing
anything nefarious. I just don't like the idea of being tracked.

(01:41:25):
I'm old school.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Yeah, well, your partner can get up to a lot
in the same general area in a girl's night out
as well. Exactly goes both ways, so you can get
up to a lot in a ten meters radius. Love
the tracking. I used to get in trouble for letting
the wife know where I was, for not letting the
wife know where I was when I was out on
the source till Sillier Clark. But now she can just
look it up and see that I'm sitting at the

(01:41:47):
pub with the boys. That's true. So she just checks
and goes, oh, yeah, there he is.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
He's still again, still getting pissed up at the pub.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
He's still sitting with the same guys telling the same stories.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
All right, and that's wholesome. Matthew. How are you?

Speaker 21 (01:42:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Good, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
So you and your daughter use a snaptrap map.

Speaker 21 (01:42:07):
Yes, snipchap map. It's just nice and easy. You know,
I've had her full time for like eight years now
she's sixteen, so where she was younger. Being a full
time parent and full time employment, you need to know
if she's getting home from school properly now that she's
turning into sixteen, she's out in about with her mates.

(01:42:27):
You ring her are you okay? Sh and answer I
can quickly go, oh, yep, she's at a friend's house.
Done as easy. I'm not watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Yeah, so you don't watch, you don't watch where she is?
What would make you check the snapchat?

Speaker 13 (01:42:43):
Matt?

Speaker 21 (01:42:46):
Purely if it's a nighttime and like she's bust off
to a friend's house and she hasn't like kids, so
I'll take you when I get there, And they never
don't because kids they've got a great memory of, you know,
letting their parents know what they're up to. Then I
do this check and have a lot go oh, absolutely
she is there, even though she's on her phone. She
will reply at some point and it's just a bit

(01:43:06):
of peace of mind. And I think with today's you know,
society in how it is, it's not as safe as
it used to be. Where I was a kid, you know,
we were out and about all the time and parents
couldn't check up off home and it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Was dark, yeah, and.

Speaker 21 (01:43:23):
They worried, Like I don't know if I could be
appearing back to the days, because.

Speaker 13 (01:43:26):
I'd worry too much.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Yeah, I think my parents didn't seem to worry at all,
just put They'll just put dinner in the microwave and
I'd come in after dark and eat it, which I
really appreciated. It was a nice gesture of my mum
to put the dinner in the microwave. But I've got
a question from Matthew, and you don't need to answer
that if you don't want to, because it might might
go into territory you don't want to talk about. But

(01:43:49):
as your daughter gets older and she's going out and about,
or let's just go let's let's go into the realm
of other people. Let's say, as if you're tracking your
daughter when she's sixteen, what happens when she's eighteen and
she's out and maybe she's going back to a boyfriend's
house or a new boyfriend's house or whatever. Do you
want to know that? Is that something you want to track?

Speaker 21 (01:44:12):
No, no, no, it's not a tracking I don't see
it as a tracking thing. It's just a check up
on yeah, just to assure that she is where he is,
like once she's turned eighteen. Yeah, I don't ever say
it anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Yeah, yeah, no, you don't you don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:44:27):
And then you know, she's a very mature sixteen year
old at the moment. You know, I'd have very little
worries and what she does to get up to it's more,
you know, if she's bussing like a littan guy. Boy,
she's got a friend in Lincoln, So it's to our
bus ride, yeah, just to ensure, you know, and you've
got to go past the bus exchange. Yeah, you're like,

(01:44:48):
did you just get there on time to make it
you were safe till that's done?

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Yeah? Yeah, Now, Matthew, do you do you do you
have a Do you have a partner at the moment?
If you don't mind my asking, none, would you would
you track a partner if you did?

Speaker 21 (01:45:03):
No, No, there's a security in there, and that's something
else going on.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's that's the same for me.
I think I can understand tracking kids, even though I
don't track my kids. But I think once you start
tracking your partner, then you're into an area of.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
That said too far. That's harder than justify.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
It's a lack of trust tracking another adult.

Speaker 21 (01:45:23):
Yeah, what was the reason for needed to track your partner?
They're an adult?

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
Yeah, yeah, good point. Yeah, good point. Hey, thanks so
much for sharing meth you think of your call.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Cheers Matthew, Tony, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 14 (01:45:34):
You're not too bad, mate, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
Very good?

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
So you've got a bit of a story to tell
about tracking.

Speaker 14 (01:45:41):
I work for a small company. The owners there are
a couple paranoid is buggery man with each other. One
of them is a drug addict, and how he gets
arounded as he comes to site, stashes his phone, gets
his drugs, picks up the phone, goes back.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Ah right, well that is crafty, isn't it. I mean,
so she checks where he is. He's at work, but
he's not. That's where his phone is, and.

Speaker 14 (01:46:09):
Then he'll go back up to the other we're excitings
tell them that he's helped us, and you know, we're
all fine and all that. But nah, none of that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Yeah, I can see a problem when you're tracking your
kid and this this is you know, this is slightly
different from what you're you're talking about, Tony, But in
the situation where you're tracking someone and the phone being
on them is a certain amount of safety because they
can ring you, they can ring for help. But because
they know that you're you're tracking them, and they want
to go and do something that's maybe risky. They'll leave
their phone in the place at maybe say a friend's

(01:46:38):
house or in this case, the work, and then they
go off and do the dodgy thing without their phone
and out their ability, without their ability to call for
help if they need it.

Speaker 14 (01:46:48):
Yes, it's just paranoia and they just using and abusing
everybody to get his own way.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Yeah, you haven't. You haven't been caught up in this scenario, Tony.
The wife hasn't come to the office and said, hey,
where's my hubby. I know he's here because I'm tracking him,
and you haven't had to cover for him.

Speaker 8 (01:47:06):
Nah.

Speaker 14 (01:47:07):
Nah, If I had a part I touched them.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:47:10):
I mean, no point, no point of being with someone
if you don't if you don't have trust, you have nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
I agree said, yeah, hey, thank you so much for
your call. Tony.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
Well, that's a relationship in trouble, was it, really? If
that sort of behavior is going.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
On, what about those terrible situations where one of your
friend's partners wrings you up and asks you And this
has happened to me a number of times. Is so?
And so with you, and that that is a terrible
position to put a friend in where you lie to
your partner and say I with Matt and you're not,
and then they ring up, and I'm put in the
position of going and you know, in that position, I

(01:47:44):
won't lie because I'm not going to get into the
the ever spiraling trouble of you going yeah, yeah, Tyler's
with me. Maybe, yeah, he's with me? Can you put
him up? No, I can't put him on at the
moment he's he's in the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
Then you're complicit from that day for if you're involved,
and that massive line, it just grows and grows and grows.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know that. That's that's happened
to me a number of times. And yeah, or or
they or they ring up and say it's say is
he with you? And you go, yep, is he drunk?
And you go, well, that's not for me to.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
Say, what's your meaning to the word drunk?

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
You Meanwhile, he's standing on top of the table with
a toilet seat around his head, singing the national anthem.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
All right, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty. Do you
track your family and specifically your kids and if you
do love to hear from you. Nine two niney two
is the text number seventeen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
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Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
Some great teachs coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Yeah, that's right. We're talking about tracking your kids and
tracking your partner. And look, you may think that you're
getting some certainty, and I don't know, I feel great
about this because you don't have any senerty really that
you know where they are. You know, people can be
running burner phones, as this person said. My sixteen year
old nephew and his mates used to meet at one

(01:49:12):
person's house and then leave their phones on the bed
and sneak out because they knew they were being tracked.
The parents were perfectly happy. They were like, there they go,
they check, and they're all staying over at this house
until they were caught. Because their friends were posting on
social media and they're in the photos.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
It's easy to get around.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Yeah, so you go, oh, look, no, they're just there.
They're very stationary. They've been in the same spot in
that bedroom for a long time when while all of
them have jumped out the window.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
keV, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 28 (01:49:40):
Hey, I'm good, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
Now you use the is it life three sixty?

Speaker 17 (01:49:46):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 28 (01:49:47):
We do that because my husband rides motorbikes and when
he goes out for a ride, he might say I'll
be back at five okay, And we've forgotten occasionally to
ask where are you going? And it just means that
he can take left or right go out to where
Why can I think that's carfil Raglan and I just

(01:50:10):
know that that's kind of where he is. We find
it really really good, and he didn't have to keep
reporting back in that he's going to go and have
a look at a different road or different site.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Yeah, so you're going sorry, Tyler, But have you ever
checked up on him outside of the motorcycling Yeah, we
will do that.

Speaker 28 (01:50:29):
Ever done again the fee if like he's going to
be home at sex and it's called a past of
this check and looks like he's called in traffic or whatever.

Speaker 12 (01:50:37):
I just find it really good.

Speaker 28 (01:50:39):
He'll do the same for me as Welph. We don't
check each other on the daily or anything. It's just
if we're outside of our usual times that were to
arrive home or arrive at work.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
So for you, it's one hundred percent. It's not a
trust issue, it's a one percent safety issue.

Speaker 28 (01:50:58):
Yeah, we never used it. The only time we did
was when when exactly what happened, he took up from
the motorbike s he'll be home at sex and then
I thought to myself, I didn't even ask him where
he was going, and he didn't say anything to me,
and we thought, let's just just in case those conversations
don't happen, let's just get the three sixteen. It works

(01:51:18):
really well for us.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
Was there any debate, any debate about it, Kim, when
you suggested that, hey, we should download this up because
I'm worried about you going out on your motorbike if
something happens. Was he any apprehension from him, No, not
at all.

Speaker 28 (01:51:31):
He was like, actually, that's really good because it just
means and as horrible as it sounds, but it is
a motorbike. But if like, if he's a bit late
and I see that he's been not this has ever happened,
But I've saying that you know that he's got his
bike's been in a place for twenty minutes. Say, I'd
be like, okay, that's not good, and I'd probably try

(01:51:52):
and wring him, or I would ring you know, an
ambulance or whatever, because if he didn't answer, I to think, Okay,
that's not that's not good. There's been stationary, you know,
how one or something for twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
Come do you have kids?

Speaker 17 (01:52:08):
Yep?

Speaker 15 (01:52:08):
Don't yep?

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
And then are you tracking them on the Life three sixties?
You're not taking that's something. So you're tracking your husband
for safety, but not your kids. How old are your kids?

Speaker 29 (01:52:19):
If you don't mind me asking, they're all right?

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
You don't sound like you've got kids in your thirties.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Now, you sound very young.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
I thought you I thought you were going to say
there's six and eight or.

Speaker 8 (01:52:38):
No.

Speaker 28 (01:52:39):
Look, look, look I'm going to totally listen to you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
Now, thank you very much, KIV, You're great. Jane, how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 30 (01:52:49):
Good?

Speaker 10 (01:52:50):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
How are you good? Now you've got a different perspective
on this.

Speaker 30 (01:52:54):
Yeah, So I had my phone tracking my partner's phone,
and I know I've just been listening and I hear
that you guys think that sometimes it can come from
a space of insecurity. But I discovered you to do
that with Apple Phone when I came over from Samsung

(01:53:15):
and I'd had my baby and suffered really badly with
postnatal depression, and he would go to work and the
next eight hours were excruciating my mental health. So I
would look on my phone and see that he was there,
basically existing in the world. And then I would look

(01:53:35):
at my phone and see when he would leave work,
and it would give me this massive sense of relief
that my partner was coming home, and I would count
the minutes down. So it was almost like it might
not seem very healthy from a perspective of, you know,
really meeting somebody, but it gave me that. It got
me through the day knowing that I could count down

(01:53:56):
and literally watch him drive home.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
So Jada was kind of like it was kind of
like a connection thing. So you're sitting at home, you know,
you're going through a rough stage, and you could just
look in and you go, there he is. This is
a little beacon of him out there. You know, I
can see that, but he knew that you were you
could see him. Was that right?

Speaker 30 (01:54:17):
I absolutely respect people's privacy. So I asked him, look,
is it okay if I can do this because it
helps me just get through the day. And he was like, yeah,
that's probaly fine. And he was like, you won't mean
like anything interesting, so I literally just go and work,
but whatever, Like, if it helps you, then that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
That's a very unique circumstance. And it's very hard for
me to judge that one because if you were going
through it, you're going through a difficult time and that
was giving you, you know, comfort and solace, then then
then then fantastic and sounds like yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
Peace of mind for your partner as well, Jane, I imagine.

Speaker 30 (01:54:58):
Yeah, absolutely for him as well. Yeah, because that's in
a bad space, so he was able just to check
in on there as well. I kind of put another
that I'll just put another situation. And my sister is
a I don't even know what to call it, as
she travels all around the world and there'll be so
many occasions where I can't actually talk to her, but

(01:55:19):
I kind of go onto that Apple map and see
what country she's done, and it's kind of cool. I'm like, oh,
she's in South America today, so it's fun to track
her as well in that way, So it's mainly like.

Speaker 10 (01:55:31):
A connection thing when you're isolated.

Speaker 13 (01:55:33):
Mind.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Yeah, oh well, thank you so much for you called Jane.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
Yeah, so, I mean you can't argue with that, absolutely,
and that's kind of lovely actually. I mean, well, Jane
was going through a tough time, but the fact that
she got excited when her husband was coming home, absolutely,
that's a beautiful use of this technology, no doubt about it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
I mean it's complicated. It's a complicated issue that one,
and you'd hope you'd get to the point where you
were happy. Yeah. Yeah, I mean if you're feeling very
happy and confident in your life, you probably wouldn't. But
it was helpful for her, So definitely cannot judge it.
But you've got a bunch of really interesting circumstances coming
through here that will try and unpack.

Speaker 19 (01:56:11):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
Yeah, absolutely, we love it. It is seven or four, the.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between. Matt and Tyler Afternoons with the Volvo XC
ninety attention to detail and a commitment to comfort.

Speaker 8 (01:56:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:56:29):
EDB so a bunch of texts coming through on this
situation of treking your family. This person said, yeah, I
tecked my wife and I found she was cheating on me,
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:56:39):
Well there we go again, Yeah, networks kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
We have three generations on Life three sixty, age twenty
two to eighty four. Like the lady and her husband
on the motorbike. We don't check on each other, but
it's great peace of mind. Hi, guys, my daughter went
to a Tuger university last year. She asked if I
wanted to join Life three sixty. She wanted me to
track her for her own safety. That's interesting. Hi, Matt
and Tyler love the show as always. Thank you. My

(01:57:03):
wife and I track our kids twelve and fourteen. I
think it's a great call as safety measure. We're not
highly couple of parents, but it's nice to be able
to check that they're where they say they are. And
this person says, when you're tracking your kids, at what
age do you stop? Yeah, well, eighteen would be a
good age to stop, but I think you should ask
them no matter what our age they are so they
know they're being tracked.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
Great debate. We'll catch you tomorrow for more.

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
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