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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler podcast number ninety ninety seven. Oh my god, So
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(00:37):
fantastic show today. Boy oh boy, do we have some
good chats about something.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Winges Well, actually I wear a bunch of wines, but
is that yeah? Yeah, most of the callers were pretty
chuffed about life.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, so and then we're a really good chat actually,
and I felt quite empowered for New Zealanders. And also
we get into selling dirty old chili's on the side
of the side of the street. I say, let me
go for it. The health departments is clean up your
act now.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, Matt's Chillies. Look out for that in Mount Edam.
That's coming you.

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Speaker 3 (01:50):
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pass one. Hope you're doing well. We ive you're listening
in the country ghetto, matts.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yoday, Tyler Good everyone, Welcome to Friday on Matt and
Tyler Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Beg show for you today after three o'clock, as we
always do on a Friday. New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, look, if you've got a suggestion for New Zealand
of the Week. The panel is still officiating and by
panel me yep, there's only one member of the panel.
Tyler has he can influence the panel, but he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Ever find sometimes I can, sometimes I can't.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
But I will listen to you on nine two nine
two throughout the show. If you've got a suggestion for
the new Zealander of the week.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
We have to hear it, not sitting stone yet, that
is after three o'clock. And also we want to raise
this with you. This is on the back of what's
happening with this signal, messages going a bitter ray and
people being included into the group chats that shouldn't have
been in there. But just in your own personal life,
what messages have you mistakenly sent to the group chat?

(02:51):
And I'm sure most of us would have been in
this situation.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, I mean, the whole Pete Higsmith thing was you know, unfortunate,
and a guy from the Atlantic was joined to the chat,
and that's a nightmare for a lot of people. Sure,
look there, they're a high upper echelon. These people are,
you know, the upper echelon of government in the United
States of America's But even people absolute bottom feeders like
me risk a lot in our threads. And I've been

(03:19):
involved in a number of thread leaks where someone's been
included where they shouldn't be, or someone has fired through
an inflammatory message that was meant for one person but
goes out to the thread. And we've all witnessed the
deletes where someone send something through either it was to
the wrong thread or they sobered up and realized that
they didn't want that in there.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, and sometimes that's worse if you've got message deleted
and then you've got more questions coming at you. But
that is after three o'clock. After two o'clock. The high
costs and legal requirements are pushing some small scale food
producers out of the business.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I mean, look, I've got the thought of this.
I mean, how hard is it to get a food
business off the ground in terms of compliance? And you
know what do you have to go through? And look,
if we want hard productivity to increase in this country,
don't we just need to grease all the wheels, Like
shouldn't I just be able to fire up a barbecue,

(04:15):
shove a pot of chili on it, and then hand
out sell some food at ten dollars a pop as
long as they involve the ID in the.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Situation ten bucks a pop, that must be some good chili.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
If I poison someone, the word will get round and
then my business will will disappear pretty quickly. Yeah, you know, so.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
You roll the dice, everybody, you've got to we sign
there and saying, hey, just so you know you're rolling
the dice about here, chili.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
How many times have people been really badly poisoned?

Speaker 5 (04:44):
You know?

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Are we just worrying so much about stuff that doesn't
really happen in the market will decide whether a small
food provider is providing a good a good product or not.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, you know, I agree, Yeah, I think the challenges
are too full on. And we'd love to hear from
you if you do sell food, And is there any
difference if you go and bake some food to sell
at your school, fear? Surely there must be some allowances
for that sort of behavior.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Out Look, if a muppet like me is allowed to
cook for his kids, then I shall be allowed to
cook for randos that walk down my street.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
All right, So that's a problem. You shouldn't be allowed
to cook for your kids. But that has half to
two o'clock. But right now, let's have a chat about
why apparently we feel so hard done by. In New Zealand,
sixty sixty seven percent of us do feel hard done
by against the government, businesses, and wealthy people. That is,
according to the latest Edelman Trust Barometer survey.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Sixty seven percent of New Zealand is a report moderate
at high levels of grievance in this country. Really in
New Zealand, sixty seven percent of people think they're hard downy.
Have they traveled, have they seen the rest of the world.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah? Well, so there was Adale Keeley. She is the
CEO of Acumen and she spoke to Mike Hosking this morning.
Here's a bit of what she had to say.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
When we think about grievance, it's the sense of things
are unfair and the system is stacked against us. And
when we think of people, that's people's employees, customers, people
in the community. And I think what's really driving this
is a lack of optimism. So the research also shows
that only nineteen percent of New Zealanders thinks the next
generation is going to be better off in five years time.

(06:25):
There's also people are navigating miss and disinformation post pandemic,
and there's also a sense that there's a high degree
of cynicism in New Zealand around business and government leaders,
whether they are intentionally misleading us or not.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
So rose is a big question why are we so cynical?
What is it about New Zealand life? That makes you
so cynical and feel that you're hard done by?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Is it a lack of gratitude for where they are
and what they have, because a lot of these people
that are feeling, you know, are hard done by. Sixty
seven percent is somewhat hard done by fed housed. They
have smartphone in their pocket, they are free, They're not
being thrown in jail for their political beliefs, unlike many

(07:07):
many other countries in the world. And there's ninety five
and one hundred and ninety five countries in the world.
And according to a recent but a pape just pull
us up.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
This is the good stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
According to John McLeod in a report from financial advisors Jbware,
New Zealand is fourth in the world for fairness for
equality in terms of wealth, so he said, New Zealand
was a relatively wealthy country per capita, about seventh in
the world and despite growing in equality, we're still fourth
for median wealth.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
And you wouldn't know that sharing some of the grumbling
and the wing gene going on right now.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
So is it just a case of comparison being the
thief of joy? And we live in a society where
we're always on our smartphone seeing people that are doing
better than us. So we never feel gratitude towards we
are and we don't compare ourselves ever, what the people
are doing terribly in the one hundred and eighty odd
countries that have harder than us, we don't do that.

(08:04):
We compare with the person on Instagram that's currently on
a whole and Dubai.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, it was a good piece by Roger Partridge's part
of the New Zealand Initiative in the Herald today on
this particular serve and I'll just read out this particular line,
which is very true. This sort of grievance in our
population poisons our collective well being. Those with high grievance
are twice as likely to view society as zero, some
believing that others gains must come at their expense. That

(08:30):
is a horrible place to be when sixty seven percent
of New Zealanders potentially feel that way.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, what someone else gains has nothing to do with
you, you know. That's in my opinion, my opinion of walking
around because you'll always find someone that's doing better than you,
and you'll always find someone that's doing worse than you.
That's always the way in the world. It just appears.
It just depends where you choose to spend your time looking.
But am I wrong?

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty? Do New Zealanders have reason?
Do sixty seven percent of New Zealanders have a reason,
a justifiable reason to feel hard done by? Or are
they just being bloody ungrateful for where they are?

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Let's get it and to it. Love to hear your
thoughts on this one. It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
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Speaker 3 (09:27):
Good afternoon. Welcome back into the show. Seventeen past one,
and we're talking about sixty seven percent of New Zealanders
who feel hard done by. They feel hard done by
by the government, by business, and the wealthy.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Being angry the wealthy is always a strange thing for me.
That's that's surely that's just jealousy, right, because there's always
someone more wealthy than you. I mean, I've got friends
that are extremely wealthy. I don't go around feeling resentful.
I do visit them in their batches, but I don't
feel resentful.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
But that is a good point, you know, because you
mentioned before that line. It's a great line comparison as
the thief of joy. But there will always be someone
you consider to have a better life than you, whether
it's more money, whether it's where great arrass, whatever it
may be. I don't think there is a person on
this planet, including the likes of Elon Musk, that wouldn't
look at somebody else and think I wish I had

(10:16):
what you heard.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
It must be hard for you, Tyler, looking over the
disk at me for four hours every day and just
going I wish I had his good looks, his intelligence
and his career. Rob says New Zealand is so far
behind the rests of the modern world now other than
lifestyle outdoor activities. It's justified as it though, is New
Zealand that far behind the modern world. There's one hundred

(10:38):
and ninety five countries, you know you could look at
There's always countries that are better off than us. Yeah, absolutely,
But I don't know. I think I think we have
probably a pretty good lifestyle. I mean, why are you
looking at those countries? I mean, what about you could
be You could be in Somalia.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yep, very true. And I don't think any of us
want to be in Somalia.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
You could be in World War two, yeah, you know,
you could. You know, I was saying to my son
the other day, who's eighteen. You know that. You know
it was only a couple of generations ago, a few
generations ago, where you'd be sent off to war right now. Yeah,
she's a really annoying thing for a father to say it.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
I mean, there must be social media has a part
to play.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Oh well, this is what this Texas is on nine
two nine two. I blame the media so bloody negative
about everything. We've had a great summer. What's there to
moon about? Yeah, and you know, Robsie is apart from
the great outdoors and the lifestyle, you know, the other
than lifestyle outdoor activities. It's justified. But maybe you can
hang your personality on the back of the great outdoors.
I mean, that's what we used to say, didn't we.

(11:37):
We used to say in New Zealand and New Zealand
as I mean, boy, we have a bigger problem in
New Zealand with obesity than we do with starvation, right yeah,
so true. In the history of humanity, how often has
that been If you told a you know, an ancient
human being that was walking around trying to hunt some

(11:58):
kind of animal to eat, that people when they had
on you know, basically access to so much food that
the biggest risk for you was obesity, that sixty seven
percent of them would felt would feel hard done by.
I reckon that that caveman would go.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Who make me?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Oh, there's for a good cave man?

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Oh, one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number
to call. Love to hear from you on this. If
you do feel hard done by, we'd love to hear
from you. If you think that New Zealand as a
society is more unfair than it was ten twenty thirty
years ago, please give us a call.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Alisa says, if things are worse now than ten years ago,
then people will feel hard done by. New Zealand is
expensive to live in. This is true, housing, rent prices, food,
How people survive on average wage, I don't know, yeah,
but they do survive on an average wage. Yeah, And
it depends what there's means. There's wants who you compare
yourself to. There's what you think you need for a life, Sue,

(12:55):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
Oh hello, I'm I've just got into my vehic and
I've listened to a couple of what people are saying.
I've just come in from Texas, Dallas, Texas, and I
said to myself, I'm arrived home to milk and honey,
we have got it so well here to compare where

(13:18):
I've been. So I can't see why people would complain
about New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (13:28):
What what I noticed when.

Speaker 7 (13:30):
On my trip. Even our roads are amazing to compare
with Texas. You know, all the civil construction is.

Speaker 9 (13:40):
Terrible over there, and we've got incredible roads, We've got
incredible a green country.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
Oh, we're so well off here.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
That's so good to come back home and and just
feel happy and proud to be home.

Speaker 10 (13:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
And so when you so, why do you think it is?
Because I often, you know, when I travel, as for example,
when I went to any recently, I came home and
there was no complaining about traffic in New Zealand after
you've experienced traffic in Bangalore. Yeah, So do you think
people just aren't aware of what the rest of the
world's like.

Speaker 7 (14:21):
Absolutely, they need to take a trip and then they'll
have gratitude and be grateful.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
What was the general mood of the people of Texas
when you were there? Did they seem did they seem
like they felt that like they were hard done by?
Or were they a bit more upbeat?

Speaker 9 (14:37):
I know upbeat.

Speaker 7 (14:40):
They've got this attitude, especially the woman. They've got entitlements
where we just say tea, we just say how it
is they've got this entitlement and yeah, how.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Does that manifest go? How does that entitlement manifest What
do you mean by that? Because I guess we're kind
of saying that in New Zealand, sixty seven percent of
people feel they're hard done by in our country. So
I guess there's people in New Zealand that that feel
like they're entitled to more.

Speaker 7 (15:16):
Yeah, right, well, New Zealand. All I can say is
they need to go take us through tromps somewhere and
find out.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Okay, So I was thinking about that, you know, when
it came to building the city rail link, which is
you know, five point eight billion I believe it has
cost us now in Auckland, I was actually talking to
a gentleman from overseas that's works in infrastructure, and he
says that the Cittle rail Link is referred to all
around the world as a incrediblely expensive and you know,

(15:46):
like a bogey man for a government build. But anyway,
I was thinking, I wonder if instead of all our
work that we put on transport, we just fly on
everyone to I don't know Bangkok and get them to
drive from the airport into town.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, then wing about the traffic. Yeah. Oh, one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Love to
hear your thoughts on this one, and we'll get to
a few techs shortly as well. It's twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Digging into the issues that affect you the mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 11 (16:19):
Very good news from the government on the crackdown on
consultancy spending though, so they're looking to save eight hundred
million dollars over a couple of years being that've done
at Finance Minister Nikola Willis what was eight hundred million
dollars being spent?

Speaker 12 (16:30):
I think we had developed a culture in the public
service where if you wanted to get someone to give
you some graphs and some numbers, send it to a consultant,
get them to do a PowerPoint set of slides for
the minister, and it had become so endemic. The money,
the extent had just sawed out quite dramatically to more
than a billion dollars. And the minute that we came

(16:52):
in and said are not happening anymore, those numbers drove
down quickly. But ultimately public servants are capable. They can
do their stuff themselves.

Speaker 11 (17:00):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 3 (17:06):
Good Afternoon, twenty six pass one and why do we
feel so hard done by in New Zealand? It's according
to a survey where sixty seven percent of New Zealand.
New Zealanders do feel hard done by by the government.
They feel hard done by by business and the wealthy
as well.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yes, so sixty seventh in news and report moderate to
high levels of feeling hard done by fellas. Happiness isn't
determined by what you have, It's determined by the perspective
you have. The survey is suggesting that sixty seven percent
of us could benefit from altering our perspective. I agree.
I suspect you won't get many people calling you disagreeing
with your perspective, because misery loves company. Cheers Thomas from Hamilton. Yeah,

(17:44):
I appreciate it this text as well. Yeah, it's a
strange topic, Matt. Where I have been to parts of
Africa and Fiji and numerous other countries where the kids
have next to nothing, but they are the happiest, friendliest
people I've ever met. I've never forgotten that will always
remind my kids of it when they are moaning about something.
Thanks for the text, Mark, Diane, welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (18:05):
Oh thanks very much. Be I just cheat the navy
who should come back to finding the trip to West
Africa and spend some time in Ghana and they have
no related disease, so they have can't disease, and they
don't have diabetes because there and the people are sure

(18:27):
but they want to They are fortunate because they don't
have Diilon for gold the country.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Diane, just hold there, Diane. We want to hear what
you've got to say because it's sounding fascinating, But Andrew,
can you please just check your phone line and get
that sort of we'll come back to you, Diane.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yes, sorry, Diane, your phone's just breaking up. We couldn't hear,
but sounded bloody interesting. All right, lads, you're so right.
They have nots who can plain and often don't have
the benefit of international comparisons. As someone who's been and
has lived all over the world, I can tell you
right now we are very lucky here.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, this one says, guys. We may not live in
the half gallon quarter acup have lover paradise our four
fathers enjoyed, but it is still paradise. Things could be
way worse. For example, the Greens could be in government
from Henry.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
A lot of people will complain about their life on
as I was saying before fifteen hundred dollars smartphones. Diane,
we got you. That's a beautiful line now, Diane, thank you.

Speaker 14 (19:28):
Oh that's good. I was saying that in Garner. I
know I eat hear related diseases and because people are poor,
so they don't have diabetes heart disease, which is costing
our country of fortune. And also they look after their children.
Their children are dressed in white and they get to
school every day on time with luncheon. And they know

(19:55):
even though poor people, they know that education is the
only way up. And they're not whining and grizzling, just
like you said. You know, the children are happy and
smiling and loved. And I was going on to my
two that live in America, and I was going on
to them, Ah that Trump and at JV. Varnce and
Ganana that Eton Musk and they're just idiots in their

(20:16):
negla maniacs. And he said, listen, mums, Americans work hard.
They work really hard, and they just get on with
their lives and they don't whine and grizzle. New Zealand
is just wine about everything they want to say about everything,
and the media push up all the negative stuff. And

(20:38):
actually when you come back to New Zealand, you do
notice that people are negative and we're not looking after
our children and we're not doing the right things.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Now, I'm Dane. You said that in Ghana there's no
obesity related problems, but are there starvation related problems?

Speaker 14 (20:57):
Well not really no, because they have this Coco foundation
and everybody can have a little bit of land and
they grow cocoa trees. When they send.

Speaker 8 (21:09):
Their coco to.

Speaker 14 (21:12):
Know their little village taste. It would be great if
they had little solar system so they could get some
power in their little villages. And they're working towards that.
But no, they're not hungry.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
What were you doing over their diet? But if you
don't mind me asking what were you doing over their day?

Speaker 14 (21:29):
Well, I had a tour. I went on a trip
around West Africa.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Okay, cool?

Speaker 3 (21:34):
So Diane, why do you think New Zealand love to
be negative? Not all of us, but clearly a good
chunk that we lean into what we perceive is bad
with our lot, rather than focusing on what is the good.

Speaker 14 (21:48):
It's a culture like sometimes you have a business and
you get people in the office are happy. Then you
get somebody that joins and they start to whine about
something and they say, oh, this is no good.

Speaker 8 (22:01):
We shouldn't be having to do this.

Speaker 14 (22:03):
And it just becomes people pick it up. Negative attitude
just spreads like wildfire.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, I think if you call Diane, that's interesting stuff.
I was reading these notes once about and it was
from a church, from a peasant society, feudal society, you know,
where people worked the land around a lord and all
the peasants were in the same state. But interestingly enough,
and you definitely don't want to go back to the situation.

(22:33):
I'm not advocating for feudal living. But because they never
had a chance to be the lord right. Interestingly enough,
when you read the Church notes when they're writing about
their complaints, and because all the peasants lived the same life,
they basically got up, went to sleep all their livestock
and there slept the night with them and went out
in the day. And their grandfathers and their great grandfathers

(22:55):
fathers had done that. They were quite They weren't comparing themselves.
They were never unhappy about what other people had because
everyone had the same It was quite an interesting And
then when the Black plague came through peers, it's became
the most valuable thing in the world. So they were
able to be picked up by other people, and so
they would go out and then suddenly they were doing

(23:15):
really well, and then people got really angry. Really, what
it goes to say, because you know, I'm a huge
fan of capitalism. I absolutely support it. So I don't
say I want to get I don't need peasants. I
certainly wouldn't. I'm not suggesting, although I guess you are
kind of a peasant to me, but that's by the bytime.
But what I'm saying is a round about way of saying.
Comparison is the thief of joy, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
If they don't have anything really to be envious about
of your fellow man, then things are pretty good. I mean,
you know, as you say, you don't want to go
back quite to that situation. Life is good now.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
But you can get that position in your mind right now.
You can choose to compare yourself with billionaires. You can
choose to compare yourself with someone that's driving a Bentley yep,
or you could choose to can compare yourself with someone
that is in a wheelchair. And maybe the fact that
you can get out of bed and walk to the

(24:04):
bathroom might be enough for you to feel gratitude and
not be in the sixty seven percent of people that
are feeling hard done by in this country.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Exactly oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. We want to hear from you if you
do feel hard done by? Why what is going on
that you feel so hard done by? And if you
are actually eternally grateful for your life in New Zealand,
we want to hear from you as well. Why are
we seemingly a bunch of wines Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is a number call. It is twenty six
to two.

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Speaker 3 (25:59):
Thank you very much, Susie, And we're talking about perceived
feelings have been hard done by in New Zealand. According
to a new survey just outside, sixty seven percent of
us feel hard done by by the government, business and wealthy,
effectively people that I assume they perceive as doing better
than themselves.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, well this text sums up kind of what I
was trying to say before. A thankful person is thankful
under all circumstances. A complaining soul complains even in paradise.
That's from Scott.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, good line.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, I'm not sure if that is original to Scott,
but very well put. Baldrick always seemed happy, that's true.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
We always get a black Adder reference on the show
and it's the same person. I'm up for it. I
like it too, right, Gillian, welcome to the show your
thoughts on this.

Speaker 16 (26:44):
Ah, yeah, hi, guys. I think partly the reason that
people are in a negative head space is because the
people above them on the socioeconomic letter, their attitudes and
their language are framed in such a way to make
people at the bottom of the letter feel worthless, for example,

(27:08):
bottom feeders. And if you're on the benefit, you're a
lazy bludger. And if you're in a low paid job,
why don't you better yourself? Not realizing that everybody can't
be a lawyer or a doctor or a politician or whatever.

(27:29):
Some people do cleaning, and they do it brilliantly well,
but they are not looked on as valuable members of society.
And then are those of us that are now too
old to work and on superannuation. People can't wait for
us to die basically because we're chewing up too much

(27:51):
of the of the budget. I just sort of feel like,
you know, people need to watch their language and stop
tarring everybody with the same brush. There might be a
few lazy doll bludges, but the majority of those on
the benefit don't want to be there.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Do you think you're so much for your call, Jillian?

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, just quickly if she's still there, do you, Julian,
you yourself you feel like that.

Speaker 16 (28:21):
Sometimes?

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (28:23):
I worked in low income jobs up until I retired,
and I always felt like I wasn't appreciated. Because if
you don't work hard, and you're not working full speed
every minute of your eighth or whatever our day, then
you're lazy.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
All right, Julian, thank you very much for giving us
a call a couple of texts here.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Hi, guys, we might be lucky, but we are not prosperous.
I'm an old bugger and recall laughing at lequin you
in Singapore. But look at Singapore now, bring back the
Canaan schools and goals and think about capital punishment. Where
are a nation that has too much carrot and not
enough stick? Here is Dave, so his solution is to
kill some people. But I mean, you've got to say
that Singapore obviously we've taught, we seem to talk about

(29:09):
Singapore quite a lot on the show, but the junta
definitely has sort of some things out there. I mean,
freedom isn't isn't necessarily an all time high in Singapore,
But why are we comparing ourselves to Singapore? I mean
Singapore is if not, I think Singapore might be the
richest country GDP per capita It was in twenty twenty three.

(29:31):
So you're comparing that Singapore, but you're not comparing yourself
to the one hundred and eighty countries or so that
are below us. Yeah, you know, how much time do
you think comparing yourself to Burundi?

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Exactly when you're saying.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
That sixty seven percent of New Zealander is unsatisfied with
their lot. You know, Burundi not great there exactly, just
just to grab a random country out of the Barundi
they've done to you. I don't mean to do a
drive by on Burundi.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you feel hard
done by, why But if you do feel like this
is paradise in New Zealand, we are actually lucky and
we need to be a bit more positive. Love to
hear from you as well. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is a number to call it. Eighteen to two.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
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Speaker 1 (30:17):
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Speaker 2 (30:28):
We're talking about the sixty seven percent of New Zealanders
that feel hard done by. Are they right to feel
hard done by? Or they unjust simply ungrateful for the
country they live in. Gillian rang before, and she has
We've had a dichotomy of responses here. Love Jillian's calls
his Lynn this text that says, oh my goodness, she

(30:48):
was a total misery guts. There are a lot of
us who feel very privileged to have a comfortable lifestyle,
but have a lot of respect for those not as unfortunate.
She shouldn't generalize and love everyone together, was what she
was accusing others of doing. Yeah, I mean in this person,
says Jillian typifies the problem with attitude. I absolutely dispute
that wealthier people have those attitudes. They employ others and

(31:10):
often give a lot to charity to others.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah. Yeah, it's the lumping so called wealthy into one group, right, one,
one big amorphous blob, and saying you're all the same,
you will hate the poor. It's just categorically not true,
not true. Zelman, how are you?

Speaker 5 (31:27):
Oh hey, Yanks, guys.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Good and what's your take on this?

Speaker 5 (31:33):
Oh yeah, I suppose there's a little bit of both
with what Jillian was saying and what the texts are
responding to her. But yeah, I mean, sic sice if
we're hey, look anyway, I don't feel I've I suppose
the whole subject is I've got it for the banks.
It's the banks, you know, they're the ones crushing it,

(31:53):
us crushing the low. It's socio economic to get on
the property ladder, to do anything.

Speaker 17 (31:58):
You know.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
It's like, I don't know about you guys, but my
increase in my interest, just the interest alone, which is
profit for the bank, changed from three hundred to four
to eight hundred a fortnight overnight. That's massive. That's like,
you know, two hundred bucks a week just to the
bank because because they decided that be nice enough to
lean us for money or what we got no nobody

(32:23):
else we can really go to.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Has that come back down? But has that come back
down a bit? Zellen?

Speaker 5 (32:29):
No, because it was we had to fix right at
that point in time, and it was right and before
the peak came, which we were lucky. So there's a
lot more people out there doing way worth and the
figures I just rattled off, you know, and there's massive
mortgage details going up because of the simple consequence. But
they're just laughing all the way to the bank.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
The bank is yeah, now, Zelman. In your life, though,
do you look around and have things that you feel
grateful for in this country?

Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah, my house, My house is not even finished. Yeah, food,
food on the table. There's a lot more that I've
feel grateful for. Our scenery. I feel grateful even though
our rubbish has increased floating around in the streets since
two thousand and four. I was in Australia working for

(33:21):
two thousand and three to two thousand and four, a
little bit earlier when the Warriors made it to the
final and lost, and you know, the amount of rubbish
in Australia that you could see. And I'm talking out
in the outbacks as well. I'm talking highways that are
in the middle of Australia and there's rubbish that you
would not believe in. Come back to New Zealand, no

(33:41):
rubbish floating around, but it has crept in now and
over a decade. We're probably not as bad as them,
but it's noticeable and it's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, thank you. For your call. Tell you one thing
that you do notice when you come back to New
Zealand that you feel grateful for is how fresh the
air is.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Oh, such good idea.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
If you've been spending time in some of the large
countries around the world that I've been to, the largest cities,
you come back and you get off the plane, you
go and you're still You're at the airport. You're at
the airport where there's a lot of a lot of
aviation fuel being blasted out, there's a lot of activity,
a lot of cars coming through, and you still go.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
That beautiful New Zealand are suck it in kew that's
worth a lot that yere oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. There's a couple
of techs coming through as well.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Idiots that think interest increases our result of profit to
the bank. Exactly the type of brainless morons that deserve
to be negatively affected, the negatively affective flogs they already are.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
That's from Goose Okay Ghost and this one says, guys
literally wrote down in my mindset app I use daily
that I am grateful for living in New Zealand. Yesterday
people don't realize how good we have it over here.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Boys. I work freaking hard, as does my wife. We
are both well educated and raised by some well grounded,
loving parents and amazing role models. People need perspective. You
get out of life what you put in. We've raised
our kids in the same empathetic way.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number call?
Do you feel hard done by in New Zealand? Or
are you grateful that we've got it pretty good in
this country overall? Love to hear from you.

Speaker 18 (35:16):
Well.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Judging by the surveys, sixty seven percent of you think
you're hard done by, which only leaves thirty three percent
of us that think we're doing okay in this country.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, it is eleven to two.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
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Speaker 3 (35:40):
News Talk ZB. It is eight to two. A couple
of texts coming through here.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Diane has rose tinted glasses. That was the caller before
that had been to Garner and said that she found
the people there were very happy. The happy little coca
farmers in Ghana don't have her choices. Check out how
coca corporations run their business. Yeah, I think that's not
really the point she was making. She was saying that
they don't have much and that they do have a

(36:08):
difficult circumstance, but they seem to be less wingy than
people in New Zealand that, as this text points out,
have better.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Arguably, Yeah, it's how you arguably.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
I think I think in nearly every objective measure, you
could say that we have it better here in New Zealand. Yeah,
I mean, you know, we've had a numb of people
saying that they're on an unemployment benefit here and they
don't have it great. But just the fact that we
are a country that's wealthy enough to have these these
social backups is something to be grateful for, absolutely, because

(36:39):
you happen to be receiving one. Yeah, perspective, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Morris, How you doing.

Speaker 19 (36:48):
In the sixty seven percent?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Right?

Speaker 19 (36:51):
And we're farming and yip, we've been doing it for
a long time. We've paid massive warmans. We were ninety
hours a week. We go staff all on wages in
the council and the government take most of it. And
when you sit there and you're going on about the rich,
I hated the rich guy down the road removed a
lot of main roads. They didn't count to have proscuted
at him because he had the pockets. We got positive

(37:14):
with him exactly the same thing, but they didn't think
we could afford it. Three years and round of grant.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
I thought you were tomorrow. You've been telling me you're.

Speaker 19 (37:22):
No, we're poor. We've got no money because the countain takes.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
It hanging a minute. Didn't you say that you've put
thirteen thousand kids through private school?

Speaker 19 (37:29):
Yeah, but that's irrelevant. We wor nine hours a week
for that. We fended off our waterways counts with incumbants
and oh you got to move them. We spent four
hundred and fifty thousand dollars counts and are you've got
to move them five hundred mills which changing the rules, but.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
The ability and so that is enough morris for you
to be to think that you are hard done by
to live in New Zealand. So you're with the sixty
seventy cent.

Speaker 19 (37:51):
We're not hard done by. But also the thing was
that people hate politicians, they hate counts, they hate all
this government of bureaucracy. I'll be the China you don't
have the nonsense here. A lot of countries you don't
have this nonsense.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Well, China's got a lot of nonsense though, Like if
you happen to disagree with the Chinese Communist Party, then
things go pretty south for you. I mean, I mean,
even you appear in complaining about the council on the
radio here could get you marked up in China as
someone to be observed.

Speaker 19 (38:21):
But the thing is right is that you work really,
really hard. You want to do the best for your
family right every step of the way. When you get
above water, more stuff comes. You play fifty nine thousand
dollars in rate. What are you getting, council? Nothing? Then
you've got water that comes off of your roads and
your dad. But then they say, oh, we want you
to pay for that. You know this is what we

(38:42):
go through.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, But is that enough to make you feel that
you're hard done by?

Speaker 3 (38:45):
I just think, Marris, when you are in a position
to send your kids to private school and you go
down and enjoy a lovely pint down at the Hua
Pie tevern that you so deeply love. That is a
you know, that is a lovely community community to be
a part of that is what a lot the vast
majority of the human population on earth don't have.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
But think if you call Morris, always appreciate hearing from you.
Shall we we've got We've got a bunch of calls
on the line, We've got a bunch of texts to
get through. So shall we continue this going for a
little bit after the news? Shall yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, let's keep it okay?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
So eight hundred eighty ten eighty. According to a study,
sixty seven percent of New Zealand to scene somewhat or
very hard done by. Are they right? Or are people
just ungrateful for where they live?

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yeap, give us your thoughts. I eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number of call. Great to have
your company as always, new sport and weather coming up
very shortly. It is four minutes to two. We'll see
your afternoons. Our luck, we get it. We just don't

(40:13):
realize how we are.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
We have.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Because collectively we just don't know how lucky we all are.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
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Speaker 1 (40:29):
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Speaker 3 (40:36):
Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. Seven past two,
and been having a great discussion about whether we are
hard done by in New Zealand on the back of
a survey which did find sixty seven percent of kiwis
did feel hard done by against the government, business and
wealthy individuals in this country.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, among other things. Yeah, that's in an Acumen Edelman
Trust barometer. So that's shocking to me. I heard that
this morning and I thought that shocking. Sixty seven percent
in a country that, in my opinion, has it pretty good.
And stats around the world into in terms of GDP
per capita and the anger towards wealthy in New Zealand

(41:17):
is interesting because we're fourth in the world in terms
of where the median median situation sits, So where the
fourth most equal country in the world it comes to
income equality. So if sixty seven percent of us are
worried about that, then what's the rest of the world
worried about? You know, they must be absolutely freaking out.

(41:38):
And look, I've seen that, you know when I've been
in third world countries. Is talking about the other day
when I was in India and I saw a Lamborghilli
Lamborghini dealership that when you brought your car, you drove
over a grate, over a sewer into just pure poverty.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, so that's changed dichotomy.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
That's income and equity that we don't have in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yeah. I one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love to hear your thoughts on this. Just
a quick text. You love this text k A. Matt
and Tyler Champagne showboys as usual. Thank you very much.
New Zealand is turning into a country of winging palms.
Traveled to over forty countries, lived overseas for many years
on age fifty two, and there is no other place
in the world to live. Love it here from Ben.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
This Texas say, is feeling hard done because you didn't
read out my text? Lowell winge winge bitch bitch bitch
mo mode mode. Yeah, We're getting so many texts through
and but keep keep trying. We'll try and get to
as many as we can. That's why I've extended this
topic over an hour. Yeah, I don't like doing that.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah, we're given the people what they want.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I don't like extending over and hour. I want to
move on. But Tyler goes, no, it's got to get
through to these phones, get all the phone calls that
are coming through, and in some of these texts that
we can continue it on. So sorry that we don't
get to all of them. Come on, guys, you are
intentionally skewing the numbers here. You can't serve a thousand
people probably in low socio economic situation and then say
sixty seven percent of us think we are hard done by.

(42:57):
That is bs from you, right, And well, I don't
think that's not what's happened. No, they haven't. They haven't
surveyed people only in low socioanomic economic situations. So we're
not intentionally skewing the numbers. But yeah, I mean statistics.
Whenever you drill into statistics, there are always anomalies that
you can find.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Just picking up on And I mentioned earlier this piece
by Roger Partridge. She works for the New Zealand Institute,
and he wrote a great piece on the New Zealand
here a website. But I just want to read out
this part. So he talks about the percentage of us
feeling hard done by a paradox, he writes, also shapes
the national conversation. Growing economic grievance coincides with stable or

(43:39):
declining income equality. So Treasury Is twenty twenty four analysis
confirmed to that trend income inequality decrease between two thousand
and seven and twenty twenty three, yet perceptions of unfairness
keep growing. This disconnect shows how narrative increasingly overpowers reality.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, and there's no doubt that social media has an
effect on this. So if what people do all day
is scroll through pictures of people living more glamorous and
arguably better lives than them, Although you've got to remember
on social media that people don't take pictures of the
of the rubbish times, that they don't take a picture
of themselves sitting around looking to press doing nothing. They

(44:18):
put the picture up when they're having the best possible
time in their life. So you look at that and go,
my life is rubbish. Comparison is the thief of joy.
As I said in the previous hour, yep, So why
are you comparing yourself that? And why are you comparing
yourself to the people that have it better than you?
When there's so many millions, well billions and billions of people.
If you live in New Zealand, there is likely to

(44:38):
be six billion, seven billion people that have worse off
than you. Yep, and yet you're dissatisfied with your lot.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Exactly. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, Mike, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 20 (44:50):
Yeah, good mate. Hey, listen, I don't actually have a
fall in their talk or although you've just like really
scratched a niche with me there. I've lived in New
Zealand for thirty years, and the last ten years I
only live here six months a year, and then I
live an easier so feast easier the other six months.
The one thing that bugs me, and it really greats
me with New Zealand is whenever I come back, I

(45:13):
actually just want to slap people because all they're doing
is bitching and moaning, no matter how much money they've
got or how little money you've got, and they think
they've got.

Speaker 17 (45:20):
It so hard.

Speaker 20 (45:22):
So let me take them to the Philippines, or let
me take them to Thailand or Cambodia, all these places
I visit regular and then they'll see what hardship is
they've got no idea here. And honestly, I come back
and a lot of my friends are wealthy here.

Speaker 18 (45:34):
They all own.

Speaker 20 (45:34):
Houses, have worked over a couple of million dollars, and
there was more, and it's like how much do you need?
How much is enough? And it's never ever enough? And
it actually, the first couple of weeks I've come back,
it defies belief, like a good story would be.

Speaker 18 (45:52):
A few years ago was.

Speaker 20 (45:53):
In Sri Lanka and I was in Sri Lanka for
four months and it was at the time you probably
don't remember, but they ran out of petrol. They had
no petrol. Now, the average person there outside of Colombo,
the main capital, they were living on two dollars a day.
So after three months of coming back here, I go
to the Jimigo to and my best friend comes up
to me and he says, have you seen the price potatoes?
This guy's worth twelve million dollars, you know? And I

(46:16):
just listened to that guy on before who's talking about
he sent all his kids to university. It's get a life, mate,
Just get a life and try traveling outside of New
Zealand or Australia wherever it is that you go and
go next look at the real world because you just
you've got no idea how good you've got to here?

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yeah, do you think that's what is a big part
of it, Mike, is there New Zealand can be quite
an insulla country where in the corner of the world,
and there is a percentage who don't travel that much,
and that plays into it that they don't realize the
reality that is happening in most parts of the of
the world.

Speaker 20 (46:50):
No, I think that's I think that's a general ignorance
throughout the world, whether it being in America, New Zealand,
I think persist everywhere in anywhere. Like I couldn't make
a gripe about New Zealand. I have pay waiting much
taxes and they get very little ford. But however, I've
lived there for thirty years and on the whole life.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, to be for sixty seven percent because and this this,
Mike is these kind of stats are coming up and
surveys all around the Western world, so and it's they're
getting more and more. That's the sixty seven percent is
not it's sort of an outlier in New Zealand, but
apparently a lot of Western countries UK America. They're getting

(47:31):
these kind of numbers of people that are feeling dissatisfied
with the world.

Speaker 20 (47:37):
I think that is back to COVID actually, and I
think there was a massive shift in the world during
COVID and after COVID. I'll just said, I travel all
over the world and a musician when I'm not in
New Zealand, and because of my travels, I see that
everywhere and anywhere. But let me give you another example.
If you go to England, all they'll talk about is
immigration and it's a mole for them, and you just

(47:57):
want to scratch it anythink, do you know how well
you live? Like I read something all my son told
me a few years back that the New Zealand, the
average New Zealand is in the topty percent of theirn
as the world.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, I mean, but we compare
ourselves to billionaires. We're like, why and I not on
a private jet to mi Yorca. Yeah, you know, but
we're just comparing the South the wrong way. There's a
there's a famous quote from Socrates that says the secret
of happiness that you see is not in fine next
seeking more, but in developing the capacity and enjoy what
you have. That's basically what it is. You can seek more,

(48:32):
you can want more and more and more and more more,
but that that won't fill the whole in your heart
because there's always going to be someone that has more. Yeah,
there's always someone that has more. Even if you're on
a super yacht, someone will pull into the into the
harbor and with a super yacht that's two meters longer,
and you'll suddenly hate your super yacht. If you have
that kind of mindset.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, just pick it up on on, you know, the
you go back to the UK regularly, Mike. But I
have some good friends down in christ GPS. They came
from the UK and they escape the UK because they
got sick of the wen jeene and the going on.
But then the funny part is, and I love them,
the good lads, and they're doing very well in New Zealand.
But when they all get together as Brits, then they

(49:09):
start moaning about what boys, what are you doing?

Speaker 20 (49:13):
Let me tell you, Let me tell you. I live
in a place called colsro Movie in Thailand's where beast
myself and there's a lot of poems. My gosh, you know,
I gotta tell you it's not usually they moan, but
I live in a paradise. I mean it is a paradise.
I don't earn a lot of money, I don't own
a house, but I live in a paradise. And yet
they come there and all they do is bitch and mont.

(49:34):
It's just it's an English mentality.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Trust beyond that, Mike, you have been great to chat to.
Thank you very much. O one hundred and eighty, teen
eighty the number to call.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
It's human nature and it's always been that way. Humans
will always win. The only changes the medium is now available.
That's true. People do have more opportunity to get their
winging out to pit wider than they're just freeends and family. Yeah,
you get you're winging out to a lot more a
lot more people now. But but I think also along
with those mediums is the ability to see a bunch

(50:05):
more things that you can be jealous about. You can
get people telling you to be jealous. There's people that
pedle jealousy for political gain. That that you know, that's
that's out groups. Just blaming your position where you are
on other people is a big part of a lot
of politics.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah, very true. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Do you feel hard done by
in New Zealand? Love to hear from you, Love to
hear from you. It is sixteen past.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
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Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety Turn every journey into
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Speaker 4 (50:40):
Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
ZB News Talks the b It is nineteen past two.
Do you think you're hard done by in New Zealand?
Because sixty seven percent of New Zealand is, according to
the study report, moderate to high levels of feeling hard
done by, particularly against government, business and the wealthy. This
textro On nineteen nine two says, fully agree with Mike

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the caller kiwis have no idea how good they have it.
Go to South Africa and see a disaster that you
don't want to. New Zealand is such an amazing country
with huge potential and you're still a first world country.
Don't let wokesm take charge because then all the problems
will arrive. Now, this is a good text here from Matt.
Comparison may well be the thief of joy. This is
what I've been saying, but it's also the thief of logic.
I never brought it to this argument of luck. We're

(51:25):
not as bad as insert the third world country here,
because I mean never, our advantages as a country have
diminished under that philosophy, and I think that's why you'll
find sixty five percent of people are dissatisfied with the
status quo because we have slipped by many measures, despite
your likely docted statistics. Yeah no, but I mean that's
not the point, just because comparison is the thief of joy.

(51:46):
But if you're feeling hard done by, are you are
you going to that's if you're feeling hard done by it,
and you're going to really work hard and build a
business or do something in your community to make something happen,
then that's great. But I think a lot of the
feeling hard done by is just unrealistic and and frankly,
a lack of gratitude. You can have gratitude for you were,

(52:07):
and I guarantee people that are gateful are more productive
and will get more things done. People that sit around
feeling envious of other people and spinning their mental wheels
on jealousy are unlikely to make the differences that you
want to happen in this country, Matt.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I mean it's about you can be upset about specific things, absolutely,
But what we're talking about here in the survey is
that sixty seven percent of New Zealanders feeling overwhelming a
feeling of being hard done by in this country. So
that's across the board. That's not focusing on specific things
that could be done better. Of course things can be
done better. That is a general feeling that New Zealand

(52:42):
is not a great place to live.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, and look at we all see that that some
things have declined, and we've seen that productivity in New
Zealand is absolutely a problem, and we have to do
a lot, all of us. I believe all of us
should be trying to swim in the same direction. You know,
I'm a big fan of finding nemo, must keep, must
keep something in the right direction to get things going.
But sitting around feeling jealous because you saw someone on

(53:05):
YouTube has a slightly nicer pair of shoes than you. Yeah,
that's what we're really talking about here.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number
to call? Should we go to? Craig Craig how are you?

Speaker 17 (53:17):
Hey, guys, how are you? You just had to touch
on what I was going to say. Then, I never
feel hard done by because I've never isn't envious of
anyone and the people as are socialized with and that
kind of thing. None of them, I don't think, feel
hard done by. But they are angry. They are really
pissed off, you know. I take my business. I started

(53:40):
a small business twelve years ago doing really well, and
recessions come and go. But when you see and confidence
getting rewarded with knighthoods and that kind of thing, I'm sorry,
it really brassed me off because there's decisions that people
make on our behalf. Yes they voted in by our peers,

(54:01):
but get to see their incompetence rewarded. I think there's
more key weeks that have oddly saying hard done by,
but I actually mean they're angry and there's a lot
of that, you know, And this goes into your next topic.
My business was really has been really struggling now for
close to two years. Laid off all the stuff, so

(54:24):
we thought we'd better start up something else to try
and stay alive, you know. So we start a little
food truck and the costs and that which you're going
to break reach later. You know, bureaucracy in this country
has gone out of control. It sales and I'm not
hard done by. I'm very, very grateful for what I have,

(54:48):
but I am angry.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
That's a very good point you make, Greg, And this
is the thing with statistics. You don't know why people are.
So people may be grateful for where they are, but
hard done by by a specific thing, like you're saying gray.
So any statistic, you know, you asked me why I'm
hard done by it, and I might be like, I
love New Zealand's beautiful here, but this but the how

(55:11):
hard it is for me to run my business and
decisions that have put me out of out of business.
You could feel specifically hard done by about that. So
that's why stats like that are kind of when you're drilling.
Sometimes they don't they don't hold up.

Speaker 17 (55:25):
Yeah, yeah, And I just think it's hard done by something.
Why you've got to see it. So for me, no,
I'm angry, and that makes me determined and we'll be okay,
you know, but at the moment, we'll have been months
to months and we're just working harder and harder bit
of that's going to come right, But yeah, most of
my peers are really angry.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Hey, Craig would be actually really fantastic as you. As
you alluded to before, we are going to talk about
how hard it is to get a business up selling
food and New Zealand a small business up. So I
know I know what you're doing this afternoon, but it'd
be great to talk to you on another topic about
about the rig role you have to go through to
set up your feed track.

Speaker 17 (56:05):
Yeah, we started a pizza trailer, so I'll pull you back, Okay.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Brilliant, Thanks Drake, Thank you very much. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the numbered call? Why do
we feel hard done by? In New Zealand? Sixty seven
percent of New Zealanders say that they do love to
hear from you. It is twenty five past two.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons call, Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
News Talks B. It is twenty seven past two.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Amazing show guys, Oh thank you, thank you. Cat love
your realism and humor. Comparison is the thief of joy
and social media as a Killer, keep up the great work.
I work on another radio show, a nonprofit, but I
look forward to hearing your insights, interviews fun every day.
A big fan goals. PS. So pleased you move from
behind the phones to out the front, Tyler, well deserved.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Oh good on you, Kate.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I was really enjoying that.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, what do you saying to that matter?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I was taking most of it as a compliment for me,
and now I wouldn't read it out if I found
out that if I'd known it was a compliment to you.
So sorry.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
That was great, Kate. I could see that you really
didn't want to read it, but you were too deep.
You're too deep.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
It was well your thoughts on all this, Tyler and Matt,
how you doing good?

Speaker 21 (57:20):
Very good, love your show and I love the balance
that you guys have got and you've lived in perspective.

Speaker 18 (57:27):
It's very very good.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
We love you, We love you.

Speaker 18 (57:29):
Okay, awesome, you.

Speaker 21 (57:31):
Know just talking about I want to combat this sort
of grievance or you're heart done by. One of the
best things you can do with your kids is take
them to one of the countries like Thailand or Cambodia,
or take them on holiday. All the time over there.
It's not expensive and they can really put life into
perspective when they see how those people live.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Yeah, my kids have are friends with a lot of
you know, Indian New Zealanders, and you know, your kids
and their parents take them home for holidays. You'll take
them back to the home country for holidays. And my
kids have said they come back and go. New Zealand rules,
not that India doesn't rule, but but you know, there's
a lot in India, but they see, you see a

(58:13):
lot when you're over there. You know, when I was
over there, I saw these sticks in my heart every
time I think about it. I saw it. It looked
like an eight and a seven year old. There were
in a dump on the side of the road, just
pecking through the stuff. There was no kids anywhere around them,
and I just locked eyes with them and as I
was racing past in a car, and it hits me.

(58:34):
It hits me. But yeah, sorry, Bill, lasting on about
my own experience.

Speaker 18 (58:38):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 17 (58:39):
Now.

Speaker 21 (58:40):
My wife's tie. We've been Marrish twenty five years. We've
got a tigh land all the time. We've got another
home there.

Speaker 18 (58:44):
But my boys, I got two boys.

Speaker 21 (58:48):
They can really see things into perspective. And many years
ago somebody said to me, the best thing you can
do with your kids just travel. It really gets them
to put life into perspective. And I can't endorse that enough. Yeah,
it's pretty it's pretty cool. Just one more thing I
wanted to talk to you about. Singapore is a country
I know quite a lot about. Yeah, it's not a
police run state. You can be whoever you want to

(59:10):
be in Singapore, but don't step over the edge.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Right, Okay, So the gentre the junta is pretty you
know this free speech and such.

Speaker 21 (59:19):
Oh pretty well much so yep, yep, yep, yep. As
long as it's all based on democracy. It's not when
people think it. It's not a police state.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Are their elections in Singapore? So part of my ignorance
because I knew that.

Speaker 21 (59:31):
They definitely definitely these elections. But there's only two main
parties People's Action Party that was week on News party,
and clearly even right now that People's Action Party is
an intellect is way ahead of the other party, and
people can see the track record of what they've done.
It's I've studied leak on you for many, many years.

(59:52):
It's a man, a very kind man, but just you know,
they've just got strict rules. Don't don't be on the
train and stick your hand up someone stressed. You'll be
douctioning your police station and get get a rotine caning
and you won't do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
I've been singing before a number of times, but I
need to educate myself a little bit more because I
keep bringing it up, and the King's coming up. So
I'm going to educate myself on that. So thanks Bill.

Speaker 21 (01:00:16):
Yeah, just one more thing. When we were laughed in Singapore,
they were celebrating the fiftieth years of their independence. They
had all soldiers, didn't have numbers on them, they had names.
And I just got to talk to some of these
guys and they were also proud of that they were
Singapore into and who they were. They were smiled, they
were just such you just amazing glowing people. And I go, wow,

(01:00:36):
you know, to me, it was just a real refreshing thing. No,
it's all I want to say.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Thanks, thank you cool Bill. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Yeah, great phone call, right, thank you very much to
all the text and phone calls on that one. Great discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I finished with this one yeah, this is a good
one finished. Hey boys, Daryl Kerrigan from The Castle is
the epitome of being content with your lot. Everyone should
watch that movie. Everyone should watch The Castle. That is
one of the greatest movies ever made.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
How's the serenity Man?

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
I love that movie.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Yes, I love that movie. Right, coming up, very short,
we want to have a check to you. If you've
tried to set up a food business. What sort of
challenges do you face? What is the process to setting
up a business where you have to sell food? There
are many in New Zealand. It's a great story in
the Herald who are pushing back on a lot of
the regulations when it comes to getting into the game

(01:01:26):
of selling food. So we want to hear your stories. Oh,
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yeah, that's right, because I reckon I should just be
able to grab a pot of chili and sit on
the street and add to my income by slopping chili
into pots and selling them on the street. You're rarely
selling it, yeah, and then if people like it, then
they'll enjoy it and they'll be fine. If they get sick,
then they'll come back. And I don't know, give me
a whack. Tatalize your fence, sol tase me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call love to hear your experiences. It is twenty eight
to three.

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(01:02:25):
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(01:03:09):
Helen Stein's profit hits by tough New Zealand market. You
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Now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Thank you very much, Susie, So let's have a chat
about this. High costs and legal requirements have pushed some
small scale food entrepreneurs into operating undergrounds. So many have
told this journalist it's an article in the New Zealand
Herald that the challenges and the regulations are just so
strict when it comes to trying to set up a
food business that they're having to do it secretly, underground

(01:03:42):
or just not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
The sex out Steven says, Facebook marketplace is full of
people selling homemade food, So what are the regulations and
how hard is it? And we were talking to Craig
before we're try and get it back on. He was
talking about us on another subject, but he's just moved
started a food truck and you were saying, very very
difficult to get it going and comply, and do you
think we're risk averts to risk averse. Just because someone

(01:04:04):
gets the craps because something you made doesn't mean that.
I mean, that's a pretty rare occurrence, right, And is
that the end of the world? You know what I'm saying,
That's probably not a very sensible way to put it.
But are we so worried about an outcome that isn't
even that bad? I mean, you know, there's been stories
in the world where thirty five people have died because
someone's made some terrible alcohol or whatever. But if you're

(01:04:26):
just selling like a you know, generally a business is
going to try and do their best to sell the
right kind of food, aren't they. Yeah, you know, like
if you're going to start a business, generally your goal
is going to be to create something good and create
a business out of it. So do we have to
be so worried about it? Surely? As I said before,
I can just get a trestle table and a big

(01:04:47):
pot of chili, slap it into some cups and sell
it and if it makes someone sick, then my business
will go disappear pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Exactly. There was a story.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
It would have been how I've picked chili?

Speaker 22 (01:04:59):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Yeah, it was your fascination with chili at the moment.
There was a story about six years ago. It was
a guy who had a pub down at the West
Coast and he started making poss and pies with poss
and meat, and people love the possum pies. It was
kind of, you know, something unique on the coast to
go and try and IMPI shut him down and said, nop,
you haven't got the right license where we're a bit
worried about tuberculosis and your possum meat, so you can't

(01:05:20):
do it anymore. But everyone on the coast and his
customers said, hey, we want to take the risk. What
is wrong with that? We think he's been selling these
possum pies for years. Nobody's got sec nobody he's got TV.
We're okay with the risk. And they said, nope, it's
not the rules.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Get out, get your finger out of his poss and pie. Craig,
welcome back to the show. So if you could talk
us through your struggles with opening your your your food.

Speaker 17 (01:05:45):
We decided to do something something else to help help
us along. And so your contact council and they send
you out side of the bloody Bible everything that he
has to do. And I just passed it to my
wife and luckily he's went through everything and checked it
and off. But it's just ridiculous for particulous stuff, you know,

(01:06:11):
and it's just time consuming and expensive. We've just how
you and your license done. So they come out, they
check out your premises where you make your food to
make sure that's all hygienic and that. But you know
that costs five hundred bucks twelve hundred, yeah, just for
them to come out and have a lock. And then

(01:06:33):
we've got to get our water tested. And we say,
why do you need our water tested? Were drink it
every day? Oh well it might have something could go
on your hands and contaminate the food. And so that's
six hundred dollars to get your water tested. And honestly,
it's just I've said before as your rock pro seed,

(01:06:54):
it's best people justifying their positions to make it harder
great if you don't mind.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Be asking what what type of food were you making?
And your are you making in your food truck? So
we do oh yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 17 (01:07:09):
Okay, but we're a little bit different where we do.
We make them all at home and pre cook them
and then they're snap frozen and so we can go
out on location and that kind of and then we
can dish out four or five hundred pizzas an hour.
That costs that cast fantastic.

Speaker 18 (01:07:30):
People love them.

Speaker 17 (01:07:32):
But we now also open up seven days a week
at home in the evenings have to work. Wow, And
it is a part time It is a part time business.
And when times come good again and the first business
picks up, the pizzas will be our holidays and that
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
But that's exactly what we want people in New Zealand
to be doing. What you're doing, Craig, it's fantastic. So
you've got a business, it's hit a bit of tough
times and you're dealing with that. So you've come up
with another productive solution. You're not asking anyone for help.
You're going, look, I'm going to we've got a plan,
we're going to sort it out. We're going to do
these pizzas. So people should be rolling out the red

(01:08:08):
carpet to make it as easy as you can to
do that, and that's.

Speaker 17 (01:08:12):
Right, and they just don't do it. But I'm still
a sticular for winning. And I always remember a sign
on the back of a main fight trucks or harder
I work, luckier I get. So that's my modo.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Yeah, good on your Craig, were good luck.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Have you got what's the name of your your pizza truck?

Speaker 17 (01:08:30):
Epic Pizza. We're based out of cal Copper Copper Pizza.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Okay, so look out for pizza if you see it,
get yourself one. Congratulations. Good on you, Craig, You're great
New Zealand. You know you sort of think about maybe
the only test I just think about the best test
would be is that someone from the council. They don't
do anything, they don't come out, they don't check your
food whatever, but periodically they come past and they have
to order you to eat some of your food. It's

(01:08:57):
kind of like, you know, if you're sitting in front
of someone and you're a king and they pull you
some wine. Yep, you have us at first. It's that
kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
I like your thinking, would you eat your own chilly?

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
The only two questions should be would you feed this
food to your kids?

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
And would you? And secondly, you will be subject to
random checks and the check will just be someone will
come up, they'll buy the food and they'll say we're
from you know, the food safety wounders, you'll call them that,
the fs W yep, and and you now have to
eat this. They hand it back to you you need.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
It, and then they come back twenty four hours later
and just see if you're still there or if you're
on the toilet.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
That's all you need. Yeah, that's all you need because
at any point you have to eat it randomly. It'll
keep you honest.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Yeah, I like that idea. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you're in the food business, love to hear from
you do. Regulations just make it too hard to set
up these sort of businesses. And if you're thinking about
getting into the game, like Craig has has got into,
love to hear from you as well, oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
And it seems like a great thing to do, and
it seems like a very you know, honest business making
and selling food. It's it's commerce at at its purest,
and it's been happening for thousands and thousands and thousands
of years, so it's a great thing. So if you've
got any tips for people that are starting up and
trying to sell their own food that they make, then
We'd love to hear from you well as well, one

(01:10:23):
hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo
XC ninety Ticking every box a seamless experience of weeds News.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Talks B Afternoon fourteen to three. Are our regulations too
strict when it comes to setting up a business to
sell food? Love to hear from you on eight hundred
eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
And Dave wants away in your chat about the possum
pies that got shut down even though coasters when it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Yeah, Peter Salter was his name.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah, Peter Sardi is making delicious possum pies. You've got
shut down because of TB. This textas says, did you
know that you can't catch TV from eating meat infected
with TB? Only one per cent of possums have TB,
probably less than dear Venison with TB is called non
export quality and a soul to you and I there
you go, get your finger out of what's his name's so?

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Yeah, he sold his pie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Get your finger out of salt his Pie Tovey, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
Gooday mate, how are you bloody.

Speaker 18 (01:11:22):
Good good good good.

Speaker 23 (01:11:25):
So yeah, I just hopped in the car and and
and here do you guys yamping away?

Speaker 18 (01:11:29):
And mate, I hate red tape.

Speaker 23 (01:11:31):
So you know, I'm very sympathetic to people that find
that kind of stuff hard. But I've been in food
packing probably for about twenty five years, and I got
to say, it's it's not that arduous in New Zealand
compared to a lot of countries, and I kind of

(01:11:52):
think it's it's it's there for a reason. And even
though it drives us crazy at times. I mean, when
there is a problem, the media just jumps on it
and it's the first thing in the newspaper. You know,
it might be a foreign object in something, or it
might be you know, someone served me peanuts when there
wasn't supposed to be peanuts in there. And you know,

(01:12:14):
I have so much sympathy sometimes for those guys, because
you can be doing everything you write during everything right,
and you know, you can just get vilified through such
a small thing. And so you know, even though there
is a lot of checks and balances and you've got
to get the guys out to audit you and all
this kind of thing. It's really there to protect people

(01:12:35):
from getting sick. And you know, as I said that,
someone can say, look, I don't mind if I get sick.

Speaker 18 (01:12:42):
I want to eat the poss and pie.

Speaker 23 (01:12:43):
You know it's my risk. But you know it's only
when a kid eats it and something does go wrong.
And I'm not saying it would with poss and pie.

Speaker 18 (01:12:49):
I've got no.

Speaker 23 (01:12:50):
Idea, but you know you have to be able to
put it out there safe. And we have a pretty robust,
simple system here in New Zealand. I mean Australia.

Speaker 18 (01:13:01):
Mate.

Speaker 23 (01:13:01):
If you think here's hard, you should have a look
at the riggs in Australia. They're just next level compared
to hair.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
You know, what kind of food are you? What kind
of food are your packaging? Toby all sorts.

Speaker 23 (01:13:13):
We do packing for a whole lot of different people's products,
so we have a real cross range of stuff. It
could be rice made, it could be spices, could be sauces.
But you know, even in the last five years, why
I can sympathize these things like allergens have become just
a massive thing. Whereas when I started, no one gave
a crap whether something had peanuts in it.

Speaker 18 (01:13:32):
Like we used to package.

Speaker 23 (01:13:33):
Peanuts stealing made and they'd hand them out on the
plane and everyone would eat them and munch away. Then
a kid got allergic to it, and so we new
zealand pulled them off. And ever since there's been no nuts.
And now, yeah, the amount of working, the amount of
working effort we do to reduce, you know, any chance
of allergens getting in different products, it's it's it's massive.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
And then there are studies that say that the allergy
the peanuts has gone through the roof, and allergies are
by avoiding things as causing the allergies to get get stronger,
because you know, you have to be and there's the
far end of it. But peanut allergies are growing rapid
lead you to keeping them out of schools and keeping
them away from people.

Speaker 17 (01:14:13):
Yeah, I mean, and.

Speaker 23 (01:14:13):
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you there. I mean, my
niece is massively allergic to nuts. She's done nothing like
we've always eaten nuts, our families eaten nuts. She pops out, mate,
if she gets nuts, she's dead. You know, So I
could kind of say, well, you know, we've never been
afraid of them.

Speaker 18 (01:14:31):
But that's that's there.

Speaker 23 (01:14:32):
I mean, in Asia, if you go to like Thailand
or Vietnam, mate nuts is and everything, and you're right,
the nut allergies are a lot lower over there than here.

Speaker 18 (01:14:40):
So you know, there could be some truth in that.

Speaker 23 (01:14:42):
But nonetheless, you know, you've got people that are allergic
to gluten. They're allergic to seeds, foods.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
There's a lot of people claiming. There's a lot of people, Toby,
there's a lot of people claiming to be allergic to gluten.
There's some that are, Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:14:55):
You could be right there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
I've got gluten intolerance and tolerance anyway you continue.

Speaker 18 (01:15:02):
I've got gluten time.

Speaker 23 (01:15:03):
I mean, look, I'm not using that as a reason
for what we're chatting about today. I can't disagree with you,
but I guess all I'm saying is, look, there is
some red tape, and there is some expense, but ultimately,
you know you need something there, and I don't think
it's onerous enough to actually, you know, make it hard

(01:15:25):
for people to put out, say food. I honestly don't
think it's it's that bad. I mean, there is some
stupid stuff there, no question about it, and you can
just go, holy crap, why are we doing this?

Speaker 18 (01:15:37):
This is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Yeah, Toby, sorry to jump in there, but do people
selling food at a market or say a school fear
do they come under these rules or is it a
bit more leeway for those guys? You know?

Speaker 23 (01:15:49):
So made in fairy in theory, everyone should be like
I get a lot of you know, the school enterprises
ring us up and they want to start up and
you know, do something at school, which is food and whatnot,
and you know, we'll try and help them out, but
we'll give them a little bit of a guideline. Say, well, look,
what you're doing is great, but you just need to
be a bit careful about this. So I think in

(01:16:10):
fairy everything should come under it, right, But ultimately it doesn't.
And there's a ton of small businesses and food supplies
around the country which really I would say, are kind
of still under the radar a little bit and whack
and make ninety nine point nine percent of the time
you're not going to have a problem, right, But it's

(01:16:32):
that one percent that something goes wrong. And like I say,
you know it's all through the herald everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Well, I kind of get but That's the other thing
that I don't like is this blame culture. So something happens,
it's a one percent and we decide that we're going
to you know, we're going to crucify people for it.
And I think that's the other thing because people, you know,
people that really lay into something on the one mistake,
they're doing it for their own profits and their own
own reasons, and they sort of moral outrage and we've
got to blame someone and destroy someone because something's happened.

(01:16:59):
That I think that leads to a lot of a
lot of the red tape that people are talking about.

Speaker 17 (01:17:04):
Oh well, you could be right there.

Speaker 23 (01:17:07):
I mean it ab but it just drives me crazy
because I know how you could be doing everything right,
and you know, it doesn't take much for something like
that occasionally to happen. Like, you know, if you're in
a packing industry and you're packing pies or whatever, I
don't know, and a fly comes in and someone misses
it and you've got all a peace control in the world.

(01:17:28):
There ye gets in your pie mate front page of
the Herald.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
You know, look at this is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
A discussing might familiate this, Yeah exactly. I'm sorry, Toby
we've got to rush off and keep your calls coming through.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty and thanks for all
the nuts jokes coming through on nineteen nine two.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Appreciate it seven to three, the issues that affect you
and a bit of fun along the way, Matt and Taylor.
Afternoon with the Volvo X eighty Innovation, style and design.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
Have it all. News Talks s.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
B, news talk Z be good afternoon. Right, We're going
to keep this going after three o'clock because so many
people want to have a chat. Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call, but a
couple of texts up to the news.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
God, look at this. Someone just saw Peter Salter, the
possum pie man, driving through Hoko Tika as you were
talking about him. They should have just gotten off his road.
Look at that heat.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
A Salter in the flesh and blood. I mean he's
a good man. He's well known in Hokaticker, in West Coast.
I don't think he runs the pie shop anymore. So
if you're in Hokitiker or going to the West Coast,
Peter Salter's out of the pie game. He's out of
the pie game.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Yeah, okay, soe hundred eighty ten eighty. I think we're
going to keep this going after three because we've got
a lot of texts and calls to get through. We're
just talking about how hard it is to get into
small business food production in New Zealand, because some people
are saying it's really, really difficult, and I have had
some pushback on my plan that you should just be

(01:18:56):
able to cook up some food. If you're willing to
feed it to your kids, then surely you should be
allowed to feed it to other people.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Sounds I'm glad to me. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the numberical News, sport and weather on
its way, Great t Eavy.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Company talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo
XC ninety News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Mb God Afternoon. Welcome back into the show, seven past
three right, coming up in about twenty five thirty minutes
time is New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Yeah, you know, the panel is still deliberating, so if
you've got a suggestion for New Zealand of the Week,
fil through on nine two ninety two. It is a
prestigious award.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
And the panel is singular the panel of Matt Heath
we're talking about here, But you can influence them. There
are ways of achieving that the panel.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Your flattery works. The panel involves me and textus through
on ninety two ninety two and to a lesser extent, Tyler, You've.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Still got time if you want to try and get
your nominations in for New Zealander of the Week, but
that will be announced in about twenty five minutes time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Yeah, but right now we're talking about how hard it
is to fire up a small food business in this
country because there's some people complaining about the tape, isn't there, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Yep, certainly are so. The high cost and legal requirements
have pushed many small scale food entrepreneurs into either operating
informally or illegally underground, or getting out of the business altogether.
We've had some great techs come through on nine two
ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Hey, jents, if you think food safety standards are over regulated,
then take a drive through Ortata any day of the
week and see how many people are selling barbecue, honey
and island kai from the front yards. Not to mention
the fruit and vegie stools. Cheers Sean, pss bearra cock.
See at the pub?

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
See you're there?

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Which pub? You need to give more details, Sean.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
I don't leave us hanging like that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
But see, that's what I think is good. I think
that's the way the world should be. If people want
to make some money, you know, and people are doing
it tough, then isn't the age old way that you
do that is to set up a food stand and
sell some food because people need to eat. It's a
great way to start a business.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Exactly. This sticks to says guys. To renew our lockal
license annually is one four hundred and ninety one bucks,
then they're is our food license on top of that,
which isn't cheap? Money grabbing councils half the costs doesn't
need to be so expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Why do you have to renew your alcohol lincense every year?

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
That is a great question, But why didn't you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Set it up? And also that I think when it
comes to alcohol licenses, there should just be some blanket rules.
You fill them in and you pass. There shouldn't be
this punishing thing where people analyze it and talk to
people and decide and reinvent the wheel. Every time someone
tries to get a liquor license. There should just be
set of rules and you just do it. If you
fill them in, then you get to start your bar.
You don't even apply for it, you just get to start,

(01:21:41):
and then if someone comes and finds out that you're
not doing it, then do it that way. But these
people taking so long. I mean, I've got a friend
that's trying to get a bar going. He's run a
fantastic bars before and he's trying to set it up
and it's just taking taken eight months so far. They've
just sort of had to give up and go elsewhere
where they deal with a whole lot of absolute rubbish.

(01:22:03):
And it's just that, I mean, that's the problem. That's
the problem with productivity in this country, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
But also why where is that money going? At one
thy four hundred and ninety one per bar or pub
or whoever's seeking a liquor license. Where's that money going?
One hundred eighty eighty's the number?

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Call we'll go to em. You're you're startup food producer.
I understand.

Speaker 8 (01:22:24):
Hi, Yeah, I've started just over eighteen months ago.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
And what are you making?

Speaker 8 (01:22:31):
M Mostly South African food, so quite a niche market
that we're we're catering to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
So what what what? What are the some of the
names there?

Speaker 8 (01:22:45):
I love that I'll make the healthier things are cook sisters,
not really healthy a cook sisters. I make sisters treats, pudding,
traditional fit cook which is the pack the maoris fy bread.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Yep delas yus and tell them. Tell us about your
sperience so far, How hard has it been.

Speaker 8 (01:23:11):
It's really from the administrative side, it's quite onerous. If
you're cooking mints or anything, You've got to measure the
temperature three times when it's cooling, three times when it's cold.
So the admin side is onerous, although I agree with
a lot of it. From the health and safety side,

(01:23:32):
the cost of getting your permits or your verification done
is very high, and you're renewals, and I just think
as council should consider basing it on your turnover or
ever incentives to startups because we're paying the same as

(01:23:53):
the big chains and they're really big businesses. We say
exactly the same and we're making nowhere near the same
amount of money.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Why do you have to pay anything? That's a bit
I don't understand. You should just be able to start
up and then there are a bunch of regulations. If
there are, there's probably way too many regulations in my opinion,
but there'll be some regulations. And by starting a business,
you agree and if you're breaking the law, then they
can find that out down the track if they find that.
It seems strange to me that you have to pay

(01:24:23):
anything at all.

Speaker 8 (01:24:25):
Yeah, and it's a big chunk. I mean you're looking
at it over a thousand wells. The thousand dollars plus
to renew and get verified, plus all the startup costs.
You know, when you're starting out, you have to buy
a big box of packaging. You can't just buy ten
of something and tested and see if it's going to

(01:24:47):
work for you. So it's the startup costs are really hard.
There is the fact that people don't think about, you know,
the social media side. You've got to get Google Workspace
and you know boost ads and by the time you've
added up zero costs per month, etc. It's a lot

(01:25:07):
of money.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
M just in the in the marketing space. Now do
you want to say the name of your businesses and
how people can get hold of you?

Speaker 8 (01:25:15):
Oh, that would be great, thank you. My business is
called pot course, it's p A d k o s.
It means food for when you on a journey, which
is part of the immigration thing. And yeah, I do
grazing tables and featuring boxes.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
So where's the best place to get hold of you podcasts?

Speaker 7 (01:25:42):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (01:25:43):
You as my website course or you can call me
on it. Can I give my number?

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:25:52):
Two two eight one nine eight four Oh and again
two two eight one nine eight.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Four ore into the podcast then then give give m
a ring. And so has you said? You say it's
been about eighteen months that you've been running podcasts for.

Speaker 8 (01:26:10):
Well, yeah, it's closer to two years. I've just had
my second verification, definitely got an a gain sot A
press in a lot of stress to get it set
up for the for the inspection.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Are you are you profitable? Is this a part time
business for you? Is it or is it your main gig?

Speaker 8 (01:26:34):
At this stage it's my main gig. I had changed
jobs and the markets be quiet, so it's got into
this and I love it, so I absolutely love it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Tell us about this bebode tie? Is that if I
said that right?

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
One?

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
Are your dishes that looks amazing. It's a meat dish
and is that cheese or is that something else on top?

Speaker 8 (01:26:57):
It's actually an egg custard. It's a it's a Cape
Malay dish originally and it is considered our national dish.

Speaker 5 (01:27:08):
Delicious, It's really delicious.

Speaker 8 (01:27:10):
It's got fruits and nuts and spices and it's a
great mix of culture South African food.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Oh brilliant. Well, thank you so much for your call,
m and all the best with that.

Speaker 8 (01:27:20):
Thank you for my call, thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Yeah, podcast go through brilliant See Bie, this is sheally
great O eighte hundred. I want to try it now?

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Yeah, me too. I mean, have a look at this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
I'm just I'm not that oa with anything the South
African Philip, except for the brier and the and the
bill toons good unless the BTI Biboti.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
Yeah, which apparently is the national dish of South Africa.
But Pa D Koees dot co dot nz you can
go check it out and support a great startup business.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
All right, there you go. So e one hundred and
eighty ten eighty we're talking about how hard it is
to start up your own little food business in New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (01:27:55):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
It is quarter past three, good afternoon, eighteen past three,
and we're talking about setting up food businesses in New Zealand.
Is it too hard?

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
I think it's very hard to run a cafe or
a bar in New Zealand. But cafes and bars are
fantastic employers of people. They build things, they create community.
And my friend Bill just texts me. He says, you know,
the average lifespan of a new restaurant or cafe in
this country is two years. So it's definitely very hard.
And I've said it before on this on this show,

(01:28:26):
and it's slightly off topic what we're talking about small
food businesses, but I think there should be no tax
on alcohol and alcohol sold in bars and restaurants. Tax
it when it's sold and an off license, But in
bars and restaurants where people go out to it and
things have to be built and people have to be employed,
there should be absolutely no tax on it. So we
shift the drinking out of homes and into the community

(01:28:49):
where you know, you have people looking out for people.
It's safer, and it does good for society, you know,
it does good for the economy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Makes sense Win Win one hundred and eighty ten eighties
and number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Graham. You're a commercial caterer.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Hey, Graham, Gray realm Gray Gray. He is there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
I know you're there, Graham the Graymeaster.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
All right, we'll Graham. We're going to put you back
to Andrew and just see what happened to poor old
Graham the caterer. A couple of techs here, Gray Man,
Gray Man, guys. Another great show, Thank you very much.
Andy here thirty years ago, work for the Greek government.
The ministers and office would eat at local stores, little restaurants,
small eateries to warners now and then big fancy food restaurants,

(01:29:38):
but mostly newly open foodies. I was a chauffeur. Great
show again from Eddie.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Yeah, hi, guys, I'm a food store operator at the
Title Markets. We pay about one thousand per year to
the council for a food control pound. What annoys us
a lot is the storeholders as storeholders, as the market holders,
for anyone to come to the market sell food without licenses. Yeah,
and get rid of the licenses and let everyone's self food.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
Olo.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
But Graham, I think we've got you now.

Speaker 18 (01:30:07):
Yeah, how are you, guys?

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
Blattery?

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
Good great chat?

Speaker 18 (01:30:10):
Yeah, yeah, Taylor I'm a commercial cater I went for
a large commercial cater company and I've got probably sixty
CVR contracts across the ad Long Island, the lo and
look it's not I also have a side hustle as well,
where where we've just recently set up a coffee chat.
So I can see it from tenterment perspectives. I don't

(01:30:31):
think it's onerous. I think the rules are there for
a very very good reason. We uplate across model sectors.
So when you're dealing with age care and private hospitals
versus education alls and stuff, I mean, it's some pretty
vulnerable people out there, and and save food is so
so important. So I don't think. I don't think the

(01:30:52):
rules as they apply are onerous at all. I don't
think it's difficult to set up the process at all.
At takes is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Graham something Just when.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Graham got a check by an alien, Yeah, it was
making these makes You're back, Oh you back, crazy sound
came out of your phone. You go back, Graham, You're
scared us gream. You were saying that you don't think
it's too onerous to set up this blows. Unfortunately, Graham's
having terrible trouble with this phone.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
We'll take a break and see if we can get
Graham back. But one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you're setting up or have
set up a food business. Love to hear from you.
Are the regulations too strict? Twenty two past.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Three, gut it about Graham's phone. He was making some
good points.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
We'll get him back, Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons call oh,
eight hundred eighty eighty On News Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Twenty four past three.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
A lot of suggestions coming through from New Zealand of
the Week on nine two nine two. A lot of
people saying Liam Lawson, a lot of people saying Winston,
Winston Peters. A lot of tips coming through for Winnie
and liamb. But Liam is a great New Zealander. But
is this a great.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
Week for him?

Speaker 5 (01:32:05):
Good?

Speaker 18 (01:32:06):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Do you get New Zealand of the Week because you've
been ill treated by your bosses? Are enough?

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Are we being let into the panel consideration right now?
In lifetime?

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Okay, the panel is still deciding.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Yeah, the panel is still deciding.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
It's still time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Newsing of the Week not so long away, hey, Matt,
we'd be eating bloody spiced cats and rats if they
didn't do the checks. I'm a dairy farmer and we
have to pass food and hygiene test every year, and
the milk gets tested daily. So you're not you, so
you not expect the sort of quality checks to be
done thanks to Yeah, like I totally support milk being checked. Yeah, absolutely,

(01:32:40):
and you know we do do. We have great milk.
But I still think that if I'm willing to feed
food to my kids, then I should be allowed to
sell it on the street.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
This is your famous chili.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Maybe that's the difference. You have people that are you know, certified,
and people that are scared can go to them, and
people that just want to risk Matt's chili out the
front of my house on a trestle table. Then you know,
the brave people, people that I respect, that want to
roll the dice of life, then then they can come
to Mats chilli. It's a courage test, Cleam Lawson. Show

(01:33:13):
him the country is behind him. The country is behind you,
Liam Lawson, behind you?

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
All right, Okay, all right? Eighty is a number to
call Marlene.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
You're on food transport.

Speaker 8 (01:33:24):
Oh hey, guys, nice to catch up with you again. Yes,
and hey, can I just put Matt's name and for
New Zealander after week?

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Should you want to do that? Marlene? You know I'm
looking at his little face right now and he's very
heavy with himself.

Speaker 8 (01:33:39):
I know he is. But you know earlier this week
when he was talking about his son moving out, Oh
my gosh, I almost wanted to drive over to the
studio and give you a hut that So for you,
you know, we're all in the same boat. So on point,
nominate Matt and that's it. You'll get a lot of

(01:34:00):
votes for that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
So well, thank you, Marline. You'll be pleased to know
I was just texting him and Dneda and just during
the air break then, and he is fine at sixteen
degrees down there lies.

Speaker 8 (01:34:10):
Oh that's amazing. You've done a good job. So well done. Hey.
So here's another part of the food license that people
need to know about is that so I work at
a transport company. We do freight and so we have
to have two licenses and the licensing is really expensive.

(01:34:32):
The one is the local council, which is Auckland Council
and we have to of course bake to have our
business assessed. And believe you me, those people I don't
know where they come from, but they really harsh. It's
almost like they have to find something wrong to justify

(01:34:52):
the payment. It's really expensive. You're looking at about five
thousand dollars just to get someone to come and sit
in the office for like three to five hours. The
other license that is really harsh on us is our
MPI license because we carry x fright. Now, if you
don't have the license, you you can't carry that fright.

(01:35:13):
And it's basically from point A two point B. And
just the audit fee on that once a year is
ten thousand dollars. WHOA wow, Yeah, and yeah, it's it's
super expensive. And would you believe it. We've just had
an ordit and the auditor she was really struggling to
find something on to fail us, or to say not

(01:35:37):
fail but non compliant, and she ended up finding us
on documents that she said, oh, you guys didn't list
this properly, and the two previous audits not one of
those auditors actually raised that point.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Yeah, I think that. I think you're right, Marlene. And
you know I've had safety inspectors for certain things like that.
And sometimes you feel and this isn't exactly the same,
but this is on film sets and various things, and
you feel like they they need to cut They feel
pressure to come up with something just to justify them
being there.

Speaker 8 (01:36:14):
Yeah, to justify their jobs and to justify if she's
spent ten thousand dollars, like she needs to prove she's
done her job properly. Yes, and actually just decide to
have business. Well, you've ticked all the boxes. Well done.
That doesn't happen anymore. It's like they've got this mentality
of I've got to fail you on something to justify

(01:36:37):
their existence. And I totally understand. To get the business,
you need the licensing. I get that, but it's really
it's not fair on the businesses it is. It's almost
like the counselor is doing by implementing these regulations to
make more money out of you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
Yeah, and we get a lot of that, Marline, people
justifying their jobs when if it's all okay, just tick
the box and move on.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Thank you for your call, Marlene, and thank you for
your nice words as well. You made me feel good, Matt. Sorry, bro,
says Brendan. But people die from poorly prepared food, especially
chicken and lamb. Food poisoning is no joke, guys. Some
reduction in the cost and restrictions would be wouldn't be bad,
but not a free for all. Yeah, I mean, part

(01:37:23):
of me just thinks it needs to be weighted in
another way. It's interesting that you get charged for these inspections.
So these are ways that stop businesses when really we
want more and more businesses and people to be giving
it a go. So it just needs to be weighted
towards things happening. I mean, I personally believe that I
should be allowed to just sell my chili out in
the front of my house, okay, because I'm willing to
feed it to my kits don't like it. It's disgusting,
but I'm willing to feed it to them because I

(01:37:44):
know it won't hurt them. But I understand that that
that that's not going to happen on big companies, and
it's not going to happen. It's just not going to happen.
The world's never going to get there. But the idea
that you have to pay for the inspectors to come
out there should just be a set of religion regulations.
You tick it off and maybe they come past and
they check in and you in the same way that
the ID doesn't audit on certain amounts of people. And

(01:38:07):
maybe there's thish fines if you're breaking it. But decide
on some sensible regulations and you comply with them, and
that's that's that's on you. That's the onus on you.
Like a lot of laws, like you know, the laws
don't embezzle money from your company, right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
It's pretty good law that one. Yeah, Yeah, it's gross.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
People follow it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
Yeah, And there's no no one coming.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Around saying hey you and bizzling over here, though, Tyler,
you might be embuzzling money from the matintola afternoons on
zb every day. I don't know. Yeah, but I'm not
getting someone to inspect you all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Which is a good thing. Oh, e one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. I'm not saying
I'm abusling. I'm just saying it's a good thing. I'm
not being checked. It is twenty nine to four headlines
coming up.

Speaker 15 (01:38:51):
You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Wellington's mayor says her
Council's long raised concerns and is welcoming the local government
minister calling and the Commerce Commission to monitor Wellington water.
The Prime Minister says the government hasn't received a funding
request to help upgrade Auckland's Eden Park, which the City

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Council has now officially supported. Chris Luxon says there is
a high bar for investment and schools, hospitals and roads
are more worthy of government money, and the Government has
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Department of Conservation is revving up as stoke trapping after
Ford Tarkahay died recently near Queenstown. It has increased monitoring,
installed more traps, brought in a detected dog and is
using baited trail cameras. A ban on fireworks and sky
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You can read more about that at Enzied Herald Premium.
Now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
Thank you very much, Susie. And we're talking about regulations.
Are regulations when it comes to sitting up a food business?
Should they be a little bit more flexible or reduced
just to make it easier for people to do something
that is good for society. As a wholders start a
business and sell food, which we can all agree is
a good thing for the country. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
I was saying before that we need to wait the
tax system on our cool towards HOSPO and away from
off license our coal purchase. And someone said, are you
an idiot? Safer at bars? How's it safer at bars?
People drive home drunk? Well, no, not everyone that goes
to a bar drives home drunk. I go to bars
and restaurants all the time. I don't drive home drunk.
My point was that bars and restaurants employ people, and

(01:40:57):
they build and they are part of the community. Rather
than someone just going and buying a trolley load full
of one, one, two fives of gin and taking them
home and that's not safe.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
Yeah, so it's not like those people. We ever drive drunk.
Thank you very much for your techs though, David, have
you this afternoon?

Speaker 10 (01:41:14):
Hello Merton, Tyler and Tyler and Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
It's always Mett and Tyler. That's the only way, however
you want to say it, David.

Speaker 10 (01:41:24):
Well, I thought I thought it was only two of you. Sorry. Look,
I suppose that red tape around setting up food premises.
I don't have any experience from doing that. I wouldn't
want to pause myself and from my own cooking. But

(01:41:46):
my mind said is that the more red tape, the better.
To be honest, have any have either of you been
strucken down with food pausing from a food outlet.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
I had this terrible secumstance to David after COVID when
we could first ordering food, the first time we could
order in food, I ordered some dumplings on our site
side about them, and everyone in the family vomited. I
think what happened is that the freezers had shut down
during COVID or something. They had been a power cut
and they came back on. But it was not good.
It was not good. David.

Speaker 10 (01:42:19):
No, it's not. I've been caught many times, and yes
there was the grace of God for the health department. Look,
just a quick story. I live in a small near
a small town that I go into my favorite pie
and pastry shop for years and no problems. But one

(01:42:40):
day I went in a few years years ago, and
cerddenly got sick the next day, and I said, what
the hell? And I worked well, I didn't work it out,
but I figured that. I found out that husband and
wife team had sold the business, which was very good business,
little lovely pies and things, to their their sons and daughters. Man. Yeah, yeah,

(01:43:09):
old town just about dives.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
That'll get you. Yeah, untrained sons and daughters.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Yeah that's right, risky, Yeah, absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
Thank you very much for all your ticks and phone
calls on that one. Great discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
If you if you're in the wider mountain and area,
lookout for Matt's Chili's, Maddie's Chilis. I'll be sitting up
a trestle table and illegally selling my chilies, and I
guarantee I won't poison anyone. So now you know which
streets I sell. I'll eat a pottle myself, just to
prove that they're not poisoned.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
Yeah, very good, right, it is twenty two to four,
beg very shortly here on News Talks.

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Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
Eight US Talks b Afternoon. It is nineteen to four.
So one of the biggest sports stories in the world
right now is of course Liam Lawson confirmed that he
is out of the top tier Red Ball racing team
and back to racing Bulls. So we've got New Zealand
Herald sports reporter Alex poelback and studiout have a young
can I mate?

Speaker 24 (01:44:15):
Hey mate?

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
How are we very good? So, as you mentioned, it
was pretty much done and dusted and confirmed last night.
So what has been the fullback so far from Red
Bull team?

Speaker 24 (01:44:25):
I mean Red Bull are raally copping a lot of
heat for this, as I mean you'd expect they've done
to twenty three year old kid after two races and
now there's a lot of focus on his actual well
being and his future.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
As a driver.

Speaker 24 (01:44:35):
Will there's be a two bag of blow to come
back from.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Yeah, and so where are we sitting, Where are we
sitting right now? Where are we sitting? And what's the
messaging right now from Red Bull?

Speaker 24 (01:44:49):
I mean, yeah, Red Bull have I mean they're taking it.
So they're doing no media because they know what kind
of questions they're going to get. No, But the messaging
they're putting out is that they're supporting Liam like this
is very much what I believe is to be a
sort of act of mercy they for as long term sake.
If he was to stay in that Red Bull car,
which we know it's difficult to drive, it would end

(01:45:10):
up being more harm than good. So they've moved Yuki
Sineta in a bit more experienced suddenly and back to
racing balls where he's done well in the past, and
sort of see how the year plays out.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
So what about the Instagram post that was suggesting bullying
was part of it and the post being liked by
the Steppin Yeah people, his.

Speaker 24 (01:45:33):
People, I would imagine Maxims Stappin doesn't run his own
Instagram account. It's an interesting isn't it. It shows how
he mean, even the Red Bull themselves internally feel about
it that this is a really young kid who's been
properly hard done.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
By Yeah, and so would they now admit they made
a mist Is it basically just a big mistake moving
him up there? It's hard to say.

Speaker 24 (01:45:56):
I mean time will ultimately tell of it's a mistake.
If he sinks from here, they'd probably say, I know,
we gave him too much too soon, and he's not
been on the handle it. But why they put him
in there, And we spoke about this the other day,
was they know how mentally tough and resiliently they'll absolutely
back them to come right here.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
Yeah. Absolutely, And so the fact that he is back
to racing bulls, he's not out of the team all together?
Can we as a country because we're collectively gutted and
backing Liam here? But there's some saving grace with that
scenario and his Formula one dream is not dead.

Speaker 24 (01:46:26):
No, absolutely not. And to be honest, I look at
this as actually a vote of confidence and Liam Lawson.
So we know the link between Honda and Red Bull,
and that's why Yuki Snoda has got the gig, but
Red Bull sorry Racing Balls. Reserve driver is a young
kid called aum or Usa who was also Japanese and
it was also Honda backed. If Red Bull didn't have
faith in Liam Lawson to bounce back from this, they

(01:46:46):
would have got rid of them all together and they
would have gone to Suzuka with two Japanese drivers, two
Honda back drivers, one in each team. And the fact
they haven't done that for me says quite a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
So what are we wanting to see next week from
Liam Lawson? I mean, getting on the podem No, I
think even a possibility. I mean it's always a possibility.
Japan's a pretty crazy race, but I think if you're
going and go out and expect it, you might be
a bit disappointed. But I think just improvement, that's, you know,
a good result. Maybe finishing, you know, in the top
ten would be amazing, finishing.

Speaker 24 (01:47:18):
Being Sonoda. I mean, look, it's hard to say because
that sort of track, the high speed corners that Suzuka
is is actually what this Red Bull car that's so
difficult to drive has been designed for. So if Yuki
comes out and has a really good race, it's not
going to be too surprising, but it will just make
things look a bit worse.

Speaker 18 (01:47:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
Yeah, very good, interesting as always, and we will catch
up again maybe next week ahead of that race, and
just see how things are tracking.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
There's a lot of anti red bull rhetoric coming through
in the in the text blaming the drink, which I
don't know if that's fair. Yeah, wow, kind I mean
I started it, but you know.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
Alex, thanks very much. Make have a nice weekend. Right,
we're right coming up very shortly, we are going to
have new Zealander of the Week. But there's been some
great nominations that have come through.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Yeah, that's right. There's lot nominations for Liam Lawson, nominations
for the all Whites coming through. A lot of people
think that Winston Peters should be the new Zealander of
the week. There's a few for me as new Zealand
of the week. Oh no, that's for me to shut
up and go away. But yeah, it's it's still tight.
But I have to knuckle down and decide who the

(01:48:26):
new Zealand of the Week is going to be. Right now, yep,
here here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
It is fourteen two four.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
Mattie than Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
Every Friday on matt and Tyler Afternoons, we name the
new Zealander of the Week and honor that we bestow
on your behalf to a newsmaker who has had an
outsized effect on our great and beautiful nation over the
previous seven days. As always, there will be three nominees
but only one winner, and I think we can all
agree this New Zealand of the Week award is real
and earned, not like most awards in twenty twenty five,
which are a load of crack. So, without further ado,

(01:49:02):
the nominees for Matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealander of
the Week are Nominee one also gets the Anti inflam
and Heart Health Award. Our superstar agricultural sector is spearheading
the country's recovery, and another product has joined the party
with one hundred and twenty four million bucks for popping
your cherry of five thousand export tons for the first
time in history. You sexy cherry growers, you are nominated

(01:49:25):
for New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
Editing Yet nomine.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Two also gets the ges You're Looking Good Mate Award.
He's turning eighty in a couple of weeks but looks
sixty five, and he puts it down to a purpose
and life and munching fish heads. The man is sharp
of suit and sharp of mind and may just live
forever Winston Peters for failing to age for the last
twenty years and preaching personal responsibility in key we Health.
You are nominated for New Zealander of the Week World

(01:49:51):
I'm winning impressive considering the matter whiskey and darts. The
great Man has pounded over the years, but there can
be only one, and this one is a very, very
worthy recipient and also gets the Some Heroes Don't Wear
Capes Award. Right here we go. Now, some idiot of
an MP who should no better claim that all you

(01:50:12):
do is throw homeless people's stuff in the bin, that
New Zealanders don't feel safe when you're around, when actually
you are doing the hardest and most dangerous job in
the country. Crime stats are plummeting, and some goddamn appreciation
would be nice. New Zealand's heroic beat cops. You are
the Madame Tyler Afternoons, New Zealanders of the Week, who.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
You ain't heavy?

Speaker 22 (01:50:39):
That you are our brothers and sisters.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
She's really an MP.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
Not for much longer.

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Dogs, EDB Afternoon. It's nine to four, So lots of
things on around the country this weekend. And Wellington there's
Cuba Dooper. The sheep Dog trials are on at Fugoday
Heads and in Auckland there is Symphony. It's a sold
out show and if you've ever wondered what sandstorm sounds
like with an orchestra behind it, then you were going
to love this particular event Symphony, So you're gonna hear

(01:51:43):
Derude Basement Jack join the Auckland Philamana and the conductor
for the show is Sydney based conductor Sarah Grace william
She's behind the batton for the festival and we have
tracked her down Sarah, Good afternoon, Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
So what's the difference between straight classical conducting and this
kind of conducting?

Speaker 9 (01:52:03):
Oh well, amazingly not as much as a lot of
people think. Actually, my job actually is no different. Really,
My job is to you know, whether I'm conducting Mozart
or I'm conducting this, I have to prepare the score
in the same way I have to interpret what's on
the score, relay it to the orchestra, inspire them to
get the best. Other than the music, connect with the audience,

(01:52:25):
all those things, nothing changes. The only thing that is
different between me conducting Mozart and symphony is I get
to have a really good dance when I'm doing symphony, and.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
I imagine the audience reactions a bit different.

Speaker 9 (01:52:41):
That's it, I was saying to someone earlier. You know,
it's you know, your typical crowd doesn't chance your name
as you come on. You know, I encourage them to
normally they just you know, they haven't quite got there.

Speaker 5 (01:52:52):
No, it's quite quite the.

Speaker 9 (01:52:54):
Vibe the especially symphony. You know, I quite often refer
to our crowd as being mental, and I mean that
in a I mean that in a really great way
because there is no other crowd that I know that
requires zero warming up. You know, so often we walk
on stage and you know, part of the job that

(01:53:15):
we have in front of us is you know, warming
the crowd up, getting them to engage, and you know,
by the end we've gotten somewhere together. But this crowd
they're ready to go. They're so pumped, and the vibe is,
you know, it's off the chart. Unlike anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
This might be a funny question, but I imagine it's
quite the workout when you're up there having a boogie
but also conducting as well, that people wouldn't think about,
you know, with the job that you do.

Speaker 9 (01:53:39):
Absolutely. I wore a you know, a smart watch one
show to sit check it twenty three thousand steps. Yeah,
so yeah, it is. It's a physical workout, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
So it takes a song like Sandstorm, for example, and
it's a pretty pretty simple song. Do the mission musicians
need shoot sheet music to play there?

Speaker 9 (01:54:05):
They do, because yeah, there is that motive. But what
we are really blessed with in this show is incredible charts.
And by that I mean the music that the musicians
are actually playing the orchestra. They are created by an orchestrator,
a key we by name of Ryan Ewens, who is

(01:54:29):
an incredible talent, and in what he does, he actually
just goes and takes this music and reimagines it into
the orchestral tapestry, you know, the full scope of and
possibilities of what an orchestra can do in the color
of the dynamicism and all that kind of stuff. And
so he writes the most incredibly diverse and interesting and

(01:54:52):
you know, exciting parts for these musicians to play there.
They've got a hell of a lot of notes to
get through on Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
Well, looking forward to it. Actually, I've got my tickets
and I'll be along and you're very excited.

Speaker 3 (01:55:07):
Awesome, what a fantastic event to look forward to. That
is us for this week. Thank you to everyone who
gave us a buzz and had a chat. Love to
this week and obviously looking ahead to the weekend. The
Warriors Sunday night quarter past State against the West Tigers
late for a footy game, but come on, can they
get another one?

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
And don't forget the beach hop this weekend in fun
at I love a beach hop anyway, have a great weekend, everyone,
rip it up, look after yourselves, and hey, we'll not
give you a mama call and tell her you love her.
So see your Monday for another edition of Matt and
Tyler Afternoons. Until then, whatever you do wherever you are,
give them a taste of keeping.

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