Full Show Podcast: 29 May 2025

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One three five Madam Tyler Afternoons number one three five
the full show for Thursday, the twenty ninth of May
twenty twenty five. And I tell you what, our chat
about Everest went off least, so if you make it
to the end. We talked to a guy that's climbed
Mount Everest, and that's what I wanted when I put
this topic up. I was hoping someone that climbed Mount
Everest up seeing I think there's only been fifty something. Yeah,

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it was pretty good that one of them was listening.

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He was number five to three and he was amazing.
What a journey why he got put through the ringer
to get up to the top of Mount Everest.

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We also chat about some dietary stuff and as New Zealand,
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A tyler, get everyone, and thank you so much for
tuning in. You great and Zelanders. I've got a whistle.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
There we go, Yes you do. Do you want to
tell the people where you got that whistle from?

Speaker 5 (01:29):
Again?

Speaker 6 (01:29):
If you just tuned in.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Look, I found a box that said free to a
good home whistles, and so I walked past and I
grabbed a whistle out and then I was walking around
blowing it. And then my friend Kate said, you know,
that's a practical joke that people play. They give put
a box of whistles and they say free to good home,
and then you blow into it and they've done something
disgusting to it. So I know, I'm hopeful that that's
not what's happened, but yeah, but there's a possibility.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
You're all in now.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I mean you've blown that thing about twelve twelve times now,
so it's too late.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well I'm still alive. So it wasn't at It wasn't
you know, a terrorist act or anything. Yeah, it might
just been something disgusting. But does if anyone out there
know anything about well, what do you think if you
if you find a free whistle, should you blow it?

Speaker 7 (02:09):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Course you shot at nineteen nine to two though if
you disagree, right on to today's show after three thirty.
We didn't get to this earlier this week, so we
really can have a chat about it today. The most
humiliating sport losses. There was a very embarrassing sports loss
in the UK.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, that's right, So later on tell us your most
embarrassing sport loss, because it's great to own these things,
you know, it's cathartic to talk about them all.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
So Everest, yes, Everest Beck.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
In the news four British climbers managed to get up
Everest in record time by huffing zen and gas. It
means they don't need to acclimatize. Is that in the
spirit of mountaineering. A lot in the mountaineering community say
it's absolutely not. That is after three o'clock, after two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
After two o'clock. Yees. So it's called orthophobia. No it's not.
It's called you've just pointed at me when I'm not
prepared yet. That was not about to do.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, that was my bet autho Rex here is what
it's called. And we're gonna have a chat too. So
it's a good piece that was written by Nicky Bezant
in the listeners. So this is a new disorder and
it's so new that it can be very difficult to
diagnose so effectively. It's a obsession with healthy, correct or
clean eating.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, that's right. Are you stressing our Are we stressing
ourselves out too much about what we eat? We're listening
to these punishing social media influences too much and as
a result, we're making ourselves stressed out and unhealthy, trying
too hard to be healthy. And you might know someone
who is just being an absolute punisher around what they

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eat and being so fussy that it's no fun to
take them to a restaurant.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
That is going to be a great chat after two o'clock.
But right now, let's have a chat about Kiwi supposedly
flean the country for greener pastures in Australia and elsewhere.
So the Prime Minister, he was on with Ryan Bridge
this morning and he said that our productivity problem is
driving skilled Kiwi's offshore, along with poor hell and and

(04:10):
safety issues in the country. But here's a bit of
what he said to Ryan this morning.

Speaker 8 (04:13):
You want to build a proposition here that people say,
there's an awesome future if I work hard, I can
get ahead, I can move around my country feeling safe.
I can actually get a great education for my kids,
parents can get healthcare. So that's what we've got to do.

Speaker 9 (04:26):
So we're not good enough at the moment.

Speaker 8 (04:27):
Well, when the reality is this, which is that when
you hit recession, you know, people actually naturally want to
look at opportunities in other countries that are better performing.
The second thing is, yeah, people will say, oh, we
had a bubble post COVID of people who do their
oe and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 9 (04:41):
But those those skilled key weeks we're leaving.

Speaker 10 (04:44):
The size of Napier on a plane is an economic refugee.
Do you agree that New Zealand's not good enough for them?

Speaker 8 (04:51):
Well, what I agree is that in recessionary times, as
we've seen in our past, people will make choices to
go to places where they perceive there's more opportunity. And
then when there's a job of our governments just to
create the conditions that they can see a future.

Speaker 9 (05:02):
When do you think this country will be good enough
for them to return.

Speaker 8 (05:05):
You can't say a date, but what you can do
is make sure every thing you're doing every day is
about doing the things that I honestly believe if we
grow the economy, if we restore or in order deliver
world class education, better healthcare, that is the reason can
white people stay here?

Speaker 10 (05:19):
So Treasury in the latest update, unemployment is going to
be a little bit higher, and it will be higher
for a little bit longer.

Speaker 9 (05:25):
Yeah, wage growth to two point seven percent.

Speaker 10 (05:28):
Even if the Aussies stood still and didn't increase their wages,
which we know that they will, it would take twelve
years for us to close that gap at your rate.

Speaker 9 (05:37):
Is that when you think they'll come back?

Speaker 8 (05:39):
Well, I can't say, but what I can tell you
is we have a productivity problem. That New Zealanders are
actually working really hard, but despite how hard we work,
we haven't fundamentally been able to change our standard of living.

Speaker 9 (05:51):
And that's been a thirty year problem.

Speaker 8 (05:52):
The economists will talk about economic productivity.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
So can you get your thoughts on this?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
So clearly he is putting it down to productivity, and
a lot is being talked about productivity. How do we
get our productivity up, But he also talked about healthcare,
you also talked about safety, but I think he talked
about the job market and these skilled jobs that have
high wages that are going to keep some of these
skilled Kiwis here. That is his opinion. But I think

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there is a large part of this is are we
getting are we freaking out a bit too much about
this Keiwi flight to Australia?

Speaker 11 (06:27):
Well?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Are we good enough in New Zealand? Are we ever
going to be good enough in New Zealand? Is this
why people are leaving? Health care, safety, productivity? Isn't it
just because Australia is bigger and ambitious? People will always
be attracted to places where more things are happening. Aren't
we always just going to lose our brightest and a
certain percentage of our briders and best? And do we
need to keep beating ourselves up about it?

Speaker 11 (06:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean when was it not like that?

Speaker 6 (06:50):
It's a good point.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
When have we not been hearing that that Kiwis are
going to Australia. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Look, I know there's been a lot of young Kewis
that have decided to try and get to Australia and elsewhere.
But when I was younger, there was a good half
of my friends that decided to make their lives and
have a go at Australia. And that was when we
had a rock star economy. So even back then, going
to the mines in Western Australia or trying to get
some opportunities and the likes of Sydney and Melbourne has

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always been the case. It is just because they are
larger cities hence more opportunities. Can we really compete with that?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah? And look, if we want people to stay in
New Zealand and we really think it's important for New
Zealanders to stay here, then maybe we just need to
cancel the trans Tasman travel arrangement because what happens now
is New Zealanders can just go over there and live
in Australia, allowing them to live, work and study indefinitely.
You know, as long as they they continue to meet

(07:46):
the character and health requirements and remain in New Zealand
cities and they can come and they can live in Australia.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, So if we're really serious about people not going
to Australia and it's really bad, why don't we just
make it hard for them to go to Australia. You
go to London, you can be over there, you run
your oe over there for a while. Yep, But it's
a short amount of time. If we're serious about it,
why don't we shut it down? Why don't we shut
down the trans Tasman travel arrangement because it's there's not
a lot of Australians that move here.

Speaker 12 (08:10):
No.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, I actually got a system right now where our
brightest and best head over to Australia and help Australia's
economy by us flooding skilled people over there that we
educate here. Yeah, but why because they don't want to
come back here. I mean, how many Australians do you
know that live in New Zealand?

Speaker 6 (08:27):
Very good point.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
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Speaker 1 (08:37):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 2 (08:46):
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
So we are talking about the Prime Minister Christopher Luckxen's
comments to Ryan Bridge this morning that our poor productivity
are poor how healthcare and security is the reasons why
young Kiwi, skilled Kiwi's are leaving this country to Australia
and the UK.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
So what do you say?

Speaker 2 (09:02):
And look, I've been corrected by Gen here and I
appreciate that on nine two nine two. Hello blokes. Just
remember some of the brightest and best people who's to
remain in New Zealand. Surely they come into the conversations absolutely.
When I said our brightest and best go, I mean
I meant to say some of our brightest and best
will always go. But of course some of our brightest
and best, like Gin here who sets it through, have
remained in the country. But my thing is we're always

(09:25):
going to be going to Australia. The certain amount of
people are always going to want to pack up and
go to the bigger place. You know, it is like guys, Australia,
as the Texas says, Australia is a bigger country and
it has minerals and tons of coal. Why is it
that we continually compare ourselves to New Zealand to Australia
when it's only the size of Victoria. One state of Australia,
you know, and look should we Is it time? And

(09:47):
I know no one's suggesting this, but is it time
for New Zealand just to cancel the trans Tasman travel arrangement.
You can go for three years, two years, and then
you have to come back.

Speaker 6 (09:55):
Like the UK.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, like the UK, go and spread your queens, earn
some good money, earn some skills, then come back and
help this country out.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
While moving to Australia only involves getting a cheap ear
feed of the goldie when we're going to lose a
lot of.

Speaker 6 (10:06):
People exactly, Aaron, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 11 (10:10):
Good mate?

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Hell are you very good? What's your view on this?

Speaker 13 (10:14):
Well, back in the late nineties, after I minded to apprenticeship,
I was pretty much in the field of just repairing machinery,
convey our belts, rock pressures, anything like that. So I
gravitated over to the mines in Australia and I stayed
it for three years, and that's pretty much all I
could last for. I couldn't wait to.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Get back here.

Speaker 13 (10:34):
I mean, the pay was incredible back then in the
late nineties for someone that was earning maybe six sort.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Of bucks a week, year.

Speaker 13 (10:41):
I was probably on about five times the amount of
that money that I was. But I just missed Zealand
so much.

Speaker 14 (10:48):
And you're right.

Speaker 13 (10:49):
I came back here, I furthered my studies and I
bettered myself and I'd never go back again.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
And people have.

Speaker 13 (10:56):
Got to realize that Australia's got what ever country you
go to, it has. Every country's got issues, it doesn't
matter what they are, you know, And I think people
are overeating it just a little bit about everyone just
going because there's more money, or there's more, let's all,
there's more that well maybe those people that do go ofseas,
I mean, I'm not I've got nothing against them. I
mean it's all very well to go and try and

(11:17):
budy yourself in a different country.

Speaker 15 (11:20):
But for me.

Speaker 13 (11:21):
Anyway, I couldn't wait to get back home. I just couldn't.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I just tell you how much, I must tell you
what eron. It's great to have your back.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 (11:29):
I'm as a place where you could jump in your car,
you could drive. You know, you could take two hours
to get to the ski feels you take twenty minutes
to get to the beach. You could take thirty minutes
to get to a river, you could walk or run
around or hype wherever you liked, and it was.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
New Zealand is still pretty.

Speaker 14 (11:43):
Rather offably safe.

Speaker 13 (11:44):
I know all the news and stuff and everything else
you read paint asn't. But I think that depends on
where your life. I mean, I live out in the
stacks and I don't have a problem.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Do you think it's a percempion thing?

Speaker 6 (11:56):
Eron that?

Speaker 3 (11:56):
A lot of young people are constantly told that if
you want to earn good money, you're not going to
be able to do it in New Zealand. And if
you want to get into the property market, you're not
going to be able to do it in New Zealand.
And effectively, if you're young and skilled, you cannot get
ahead in New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Is that just a perception thing? And we need to
change the narrative on that.

Speaker 15 (12:12):
I think a lot of it is perception.

Speaker 13 (12:14):
I mean, there's no doubt that I made a lot
more money in Australia than I could here. I cannot
deny that. But the thing is you can make money
in New Zealand, and I think, oh, good grief, I'm
so sorry I've forgotten your co partners time. I don't
want to torn side Tyler Tyler. I think Tyler's right.
You should just just sorry, mate, I'm really sorry. I

(12:37):
think you should be limited to just two or three
years overseas somewhere Indian he to come.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Back, yeah, I mean and come back if we're serious.
If it's absolutely huge problem for New Zealand, why do
we make it so easy for people to go to Australia.
What are we getting out of it as New Zealand
just making it so easy for New Zealanders to go
to Australia. I mean Australia gets a lot out of it,
because Australia just gets a bunch of our brightest and
best fanging over there and improving their economy. I don't

(13:02):
know if you can shut it down from our side,
but you know, as we're saying, for the UK doesn't
take us all of us forever.

Speaker 13 (13:09):
So no, And I've worked in the UK before as well,
and more time was up, My time was up and
that was it.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
Yeah, yeah, so let's shut it down, thank you very much.

Speaker 16 (13:17):
Erin.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
I mean it is it does feel sometimes that we're
a bit of a skills machine for Australia. Doesn't it
that we train up the nurses and doctors and we
need you guys. You guys are absolutely essential to what
we do in this country. But when Australia is offering
sometimes double the salary, then that's you know, you can't
blame people from moving.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
But shut it down. Shut it down, the Trans Tasman
travel arrangement. Shut it if you care otherwise, just accept
in my opinion, that's a certain percentage of people are
always going to go to Australia because it's bigger, and
it's brighter, and the grass is all was greener, and
it's a reasonably cheap air flight away.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Do you agree with Matt I eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is it time to shut down that trans
Tasmin agreement? And if you've had children go across the
digital love to hear from you, or if you are
over in Australia right now working and earning good coin,
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It's twenty two past one, putting.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
The question into the newspeakers the mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 17 (14:11):
Who reserving Governor gave us a lot to think about. Yes,
the predicted cash rate cast came, but where we go
is potentially a bit of a mystery from here on.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
In Christian Hawksby's with us CA, we have.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
Lowered interest rates a long way and it does take
time for that to work its way through.

Speaker 15 (14:23):
Kind of see that in the effect.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Of mortgage rates they are going to come down mechanically,
so there's a bit still to come there.

Speaker 15 (14:29):
In our projections, we have a recovery continuing.

Speaker 17 (14:31):
Where is it You're seeing this recovery park, the farmers
and all that stuff that we obviously get. Where is
this recovery in services? Where is it in downtown Auckland,
downtown christ due to downtown Wellington?

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Where is it?

Speaker 5 (14:41):
It's not you know, this is the art of economics.

Speaker 17 (14:44):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the rain drove of a LA News talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Very good afternoon, June twenty five past one, and we
are talking about comments the Prime Minister made this morning
to Ryan Bridge on why he thinks Kiwis are leaving
the country in big numbers. These are skilled Keiwis, of
course quite often young Kiwis. He reckons that's poor productivity,
poor healthcare and poor safety. That is causing these key

(15:11):
Weeks to flee.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
This Texas says, you should ask Christopher Luxen why he
left New Zealand and made the decision to return.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
It's a good point if he be a very good
point question for right us.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Listen here, Kim and Kim. I'm not sure where they
call it. This person's calling us Kim and Kim. Instead
of restricting people's choice of freedom, how about you moved
to North Korea and see how that works out for you.
Cheers David, Okay, I kind of get what you're saying.
I'm not quite confused. I was saying that if it's
such a problem, if it's such a problem for New
Zealand that people leave to go to Australia, then why

(15:43):
are we running the trans Testment travel arrangement. I personally
think it's a good thing. I'm for it. I think
I'm an absolute supporter of freedom. Absolutely, it's a good partnership.
But if it's such a big deal, there's a very
simple solution, isn't it that you just make Australia, like
a lot of other countries, bring in visus. I mean,
to be fair, Australia gets to choose who can come
and stand their country, so it'll be hard for us
to force them to do it. But you've got to say,
a lot more Australians, a lot more kis moving to

(16:04):
Australia than Australian's moving to New Zealand. And it feels
like Australia is getting a better yell out of this immigration,
aren't they exactly?

Speaker 6 (16:10):
Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Sure you want to mark at the show?

Speaker 18 (16:15):
Hi, good after soon, guys, interesting comments, as I said
to Andrew earlier once to the call. I moved to
Australia twenty eighteen after a couple of unfortunate incidents, as
all unfortunate jobs where I worked really hard, and then

(16:35):
in probation period I was let to go with no reason.
So I explored New Zealand opportunities and decided maybe give
a go and Melbourne, got a job, moved to Melbourne,
and then that's where it got a little bit tricky.
Super expensive rents. Yes I got paid really well, but
the rent was high. There were lots of different options

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and unfortunately the job I moved across to Melbourne for
made my job redundant. After the business had financial issues.
So then the challenge started to find a new job,
and that meant recruiters. So the number of recruiters that
I applied for or with would call me in a
right asked me are you an Australian citizen And if

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I said no, they said sorry, I can't help you.
I would say to them, I'm on a trip or
four visa, I have full rights to work in Australia,
and they would simply not help you because then Australian
parsonship right. So I ended I would apply for jobs
and I end up applying for permanent jobs that end
up being turned into contract roles, which I had multiple

(17:46):
of those twelve months, and then unfortunately COVID happened and
I was stuck in Melbourne, stripped the lockdown in the bill,
probably came out of lockdown, started another contract job in Melbourne,
and decided, you know what, it's time to come home
because I'm better than that. Cost of living was going up.

(18:07):
Nobody would employee despite being degree qualified, and it just
became this feeling of New Zealand. Still home. I don't
have to pay rents, I don't have to play a mortgage, So.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Home is where I came right and how's it been.

Speaker 18 (18:23):
It's been an adjustment, to be honest. I was fortunate
enough to get a job very soon after I got
back to New Zealand. Things have changed in sixty years
and I still have been not being back a year
and a half. We've been back to Melbourne a couple
of times, and every time I've gone I realized, you know,
you walk in a supermarket, prices are pretty much the same.

(18:47):
You walk into clothing shop, prices are the same. It's
just that there are more options available, but the pricing
is pretty much on past with New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, and so with with your experience in mind, Sean,
you're happy to be back home, I am.

Speaker 18 (19:03):
I mean there are deffinitely bits I'm missed. I don't
miss the fact that I have and traffic for hours
a day driving to and from work, because when I
was in Melbourne, I had access to trains and trams
which took me out everywhere. So that's the main thing
I would say that I would miss, and of course
the people that you connect with. But being home Auckland

(19:25):
or New Zealand's home. It's been home for me for
twenty three years, so I'm happy to be here.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, And just on the question of you know, a
lot has been made in the past couple of years
about the brain drain, the renewed brain drain, and we're
losing our best and brightest and our most skilled. Do
you think that has overplayed a little bit that there
has always been a situation where young Kiwis want to
try and spread their wings and the likes of Australia.

Speaker 19 (19:52):
I think there is a little bit of truth in
there with the brain drain. But at the same time,
I have a friend who moved over pre COVID who's
a qualified nurse and he basically got to Australia and
we've got a qualified, really good job or skilled person

(20:15):
and he was worked to the bone. He basically during
COVID came back to New Zealand and said, just because
he was a new person in the country, he was
put on shift work.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Things that I've lost you there, Sean, But think if
you call yeah very interesting, oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty, can you get your thoughts on the supposed
brain drain?

Speaker 6 (20:35):
Christ to relax and reckons. Our skilled Keiwis are flying.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
The coop and heading to Australia because of poor productivity,
healthcare and security.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
But Matt, you reckon, I reckon so much the problem.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, No, Well what I reckon is that people are
always going to go to Australia because it's a bigger
flasher and some people will have a grass's greener perspective
on life. Yeah, the same reason why I move from
Dunedin to Auckland.

Speaker 20 (20:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
I love Dunedin, but I love an Aklan because there's
more opptunity. It's always going to happen. We've got to
stop eviscerating ourselves about it. And if it's such a
big deal, then why don't we shut down the trans
Tasment travel arrangement and stop that happening? What are we
getting out of that here in New Zealand? And look
for you people that's saying that I want to I'm
trying to restrict people. I don't have the power to
do it. I'm just I'm just throwing up a thought,
a thought experiment. Hey, speaking of thought experiments, well, actually

(21:22):
maybe brain teasers. How many New Zealand born people live
in Australia ooh nine two? How many New Zealand people
live in New Zealand born people live in Australia right now.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yep, seen through your guesses. But we'll tell you that answer.
Will Matt will tell you that answer. I don't actually know,
but that's coming up very shortly. It is twenty nine
to two.

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Speaker 2 (23:14):
The promised I want a great songful? Is there any
more New Zealander lyric of all time than when you
went to Australia? I said, I would come up. That's
a fantastic song by m Beth.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
That is a lovely song and yeah, bang on what
we're talking about now? Young Kiwee's going to Australia promising
that they will return and a lot of them done
at The Prime Minister this morning said that productivity, poor productivity,
poor healthcare and poor security is causing a lot of
our skilled and best and brightest leaving these shores for
the likes of Australia.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Before the break, I asked how many New Zealand born
people live in Australia. Lots of guesses here A million,
three hundred and thirty thousand. This person says million, a million,
a million, a million, three hundred, six hundred and eighteen thousand. Well,
the total is as that text has said, six hundred
and eighteen thousand.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Far.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Sorry it's not it's sorry now that's adding two numbers together. Sorry,
it's five hundred and ninety eight thousand New Zealand born
people living in Australia. Five hundred and ninety eight thousand
New Zealand born living in Australia.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
That's a hell of a lot of kiwis you know.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
That's a lot.

Speaker 6 (24:22):
That's the population of christ Dutch Nelson combined.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Love to your thoughts on this. Some
great techs coming through on nine to nine two. Hey,
Jent's great topic.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I'm on Siri, so I apologize if some of this
comes out a little bit confusing. I'm one of the
ten or so Australians that live in New Zealand. I've
been here for about ten years and I have to
say I actually really enjoy it. See when people say, actually,
it's like, yeah, this show is actually pretty good today,
that's what my girlfriend says to me. So I actually
really enjoy it. I think it's great when you want

(24:55):
experience in a bigger place when you're young and you
need to find opportunities and stuff like that. But to
go to Australia just for the cost of living, I
think it's a bit of a bit fluffy, says this person.
So thank you for that. And you're Siri, we're wealth.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
We yep nailed it, Anne, Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 22 (25:12):
Yeah. Look, and I went to Australia for twenty years
and I did do far better in the job than
I could have done here. But I came back because
my parents weren't coping. My son was twelve when we
came back and him being a teenager and Havelock North
was far healthier for him and he turned out a

(25:33):
much better person than he would have been being a
teenager in Sydney. New Zealand is a fantastic place to
bring up kids, and I think a lot of people
that go overseas do actually come back when it's time
to bring up kids. The other thing is the Brisbane's
economy there. Housing they've got a massive housing shortage and

(25:54):
Brisbane and there's a charity there. I believe they're supported
by the Queencident government. That's paying for New Zealanders to
come back to New Zealand. They've got massive tent cities
there and they've even got people that have jobs that
can't afford accommodation because the rents are just so high.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Well I did see that story and that was the
gold Coach charity that was offering.

Speaker 12 (26:17):
Yeah, that's the ABC. So it's a reasonable paper to read,
the left wing, but it's reasonable you could believe it.
The other thing is I've still got really good friends
in Sydney and their kids are in their thirties and
they're struggling far more than my son is here financially.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. Everyone thinks the grass is
green and you go over there. I mean, it's the fact.
That's why they're saying the grass is green. The grass
is always green over there exists as are saying, Yeah,
hey guys, what Luckson is saying is rubbish. I've got
four kids all living in Queensland, Australia, left for two reasons,
money and weather end of it, along with all their
mates are over there and can't see them coming back
anytime soon. Cheers Mecca. Yeah, I mean that's another thing,

(27:01):
isn't it. Yeah, it's very hard to compete. It doesn't
matter what you do. You know, Luxon's talking about what
was it safety, Kenny healthcare. It's very hard to compete
with Queensland's weather.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Beautiful weather, a lot of sun times over there, crazy
good weather. It is Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call love to you your thoughts
on this?

Speaker 6 (27:24):
It is twenty to two bag for you.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Surely have a chat with the lads on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
That'd be Matt.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
The grass is only greener in Australia because they have
to keep watering it otherwise from my experience of all
brown red like their roof tiles. That's an interesting one.
Another tips here, Hey guys with Tipatti, Mary Greens and labor,
Why wouldn't you move to Ossie all the price rises
in New Zealand You need more income. We are on
a pension and rates five K plus insurance five point

(27:58):
five k. Our kids are an aussy and doing well. Kevin. Yeah,
but I mean, if you're going to move for politics
and you don't like Tipati Mary and the Greens and Labor.
Tell you what, look, just won the election over of
an Australia.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah yeah, I mean it's pretty feisty over there. Don't
you think it's.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Telling if people in Australia are complaining about the same
things here.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
Exactly? Oh one hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Call love to hear your thoughts. Wayne, you're an Aussie
living in New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (28:24):
Yeah, don't tell too many people.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
You're a good man.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
You're not keeping a secret with your actual there buddy.

Speaker 11 (28:31):
Oh oh what Yeah, I just wanted to say, yeah,
we moved here, well what ninety four, so thirty one
years ago, and you know we go back and so
on and so forth. You know, still got family over there.
But you know, most listening to a lot of your
callers there, they're saying that the grass isn't always greener,
and I've got to admit it's not. It's it's like,

(28:55):
you know, people don't people don't take into the equation,
like you know, just even simple things like registering your
car over there. You know, it's like fifteen hundred dollars
a year, you know, because you've got to have the
compulsory insurance. You know, people talk about the weather. You know,
at least I can have a barbecue on Saturday and

(29:15):
I know it's not going to rain. I mean to me,
that's not a good enough excuse people. You know, people
ask me all the time, you know, like oh, oh hey,
you know, like I want to I'm thinking about going
over to Australia. What do you think?

Speaker 14 (29:27):
You know, they're my.

Speaker 11 (29:28):
Age, like sixty class or fifty plas or whatever. I say,
don't do it. You know, it's it's you're going to
find it too hard. But young ones, you know, yes,
they can go over there. But I was just more
more curious to know as to how many are actually
coming back, you know, how many, how many actually Kiwis
are coming back home and after they're realizing how tough
it is. You know, we say that we've got government

(29:50):
problems here, you know, as you were just saying before Fellas,
you know, the government, you know, the government of the
government over there as well. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Do you think because you see you're in you're in
a sorry, you're an Australian that's come to New Zealand,
do you think when you move to another country that
is a new country of both birth. You kind of
let go a lot of of a lot of things,
and you're not so angry about some things because you
don't feel as wronged by what's happening in your country
because you've moved somewhere. You just accept what it is.
Do you think there's a mindset of moving to another country,

(30:21):
because they often say that immigrants to countries do better
than the people that are that are there. Did you
find that that you came here and you let go
a lot of the anger that you might have had.

Speaker 11 (30:31):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, for sure, you know I could
I could agree with that to a certain point. You know,
like our daughter was four at the time, and you
know we put her into a public school down here
in Lala Hutte, and you know, we knew that there
was only going to be you know, this is back
in nineteen nineteen. You know, as I say, nineteen ninety four,
you know, we knew that there was only going to
be sixteen to eighteen sort of kids in a class.

(30:53):
You know, in Sydney where we were born, you know,
there's like plus fifty plus kids out in the suburb,
and you can't expect you can't expect a certain you know,
the kids to get a really good education, you know,
unless they unless you know, unless they can it up
the front and you know and sign on and so forth.
So yeah, maybe maybe.

Speaker 23 (31:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (31:13):
I mean people say we've got gang problems here. You've got.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I know, we're talking about the five oh ones coming
back here, and they're so much more hardcore because they've
grown up in the Australian gang environment. Jesus, the Victorian
gang environment is hard core, very hard core.

Speaker 11 (31:31):
Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, it's in crazy. You know the
amount of probably we don't even hear about unless you news,
but you know the amount of gang land slighings and
things like that that are happening, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Shop the vapor shot fires for example, exactly.

Speaker 15 (31:49):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (31:51):
Yeah, So I'm just curious, like, do we know any
sort of numbers of them? How many kiwis are coming back?

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, so we're looking at the net loss to Australia
being seventy thousand. Yeah, in the last year. We'll just
have to Tyler will rustle up some numbers for you.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, well, well we'll run the numbers and numbers for
your Wayne and and we'll mention what that is. I
mean the numbers I'm looking at right now are overall
migration numbers, so it has stabilized now. Thirty two thousand
left last month and thirty two thousand, five hundred came
into New Zealand. But of course that doesn't break it
down by country, so we'll break it down for your Wayne.

Speaker 11 (32:26):
But all right, yeah, how.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Many are not many? I think you and a couple
of others stranger. Not a lot of Ozzi here, which
makes me suspicious of the transtasm and travel arrangements.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
Thanks Wayne, that's our favorite Ozzie. Wayne. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call love
to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Dean.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
You've got a son over in Australia.

Speaker 14 (32:52):
Hey, look, guys, thanks for the core. And look I'm
I'm an early gen X so I'm only five years
away from retirement, which is really scary. But you know,
we've worked hard to build. We are in New Zealand.
So I've got a son over there and he sees

(33:14):
an opportunity. He goes, Dad, bring over X y Z
thousands of dollars and I can build the saber, And
I said Hod on. I've built, all I've done in
my life and all I'm going to do is support Australia.

(33:34):
And it's what I haven't said it, But why don't
you go to the bank get the money over there.
It's too easy to get soft money from New Zealand
to support the kiwis over there to build their businesses.
We're not fail there's something that's concern about what's happening

(33:56):
with the desperrier that's going over there as my son
soft money gen x is. We've worked hard to build
our kiwi capability and all of a sudden he wants
to build from Australia.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, no, good on you.

Speaker 14 (34:14):
And that's the problem I've got.

Speaker 11 (34:17):
Yeah, now.

Speaker 14 (34:19):
I will give that money, but how many thousands of
New Zealand gen x's are going to do that into Australia.
It's like soft money into Australia from New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, well, hey, thank you so much for your called Dean.
That's a good point, isn't it. So he's made all
his money here, and you could argue that you know,
wider people that are educated in New Zealand go through
our public school system that all the rest of us
pay for and you know, subsidize at the university whatever
their training is or the healthkey. You are getting them
up to being working age and then they just nip
over to Australia. They've got the the trouble four going

(34:56):
the student loans. They're over there, and maybe we need
to start charging them. Yeah, we do a reciprocal deal
with Australia. If you're educated here and you move to Australia,
you get four years there, three year there, whatever it is,
and then you start having to pay back your education.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
Yeah, you pay us for our skilled workers Australia ohipatred.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Every time you went to the dentleness we'll chuck it up.

Speaker 6 (35:17):
Yeah, oh one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
We're going to play some messages, but back with more
of your thoughts very shortly.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
It is ten to two.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Only ten thousand, six hundred and seventy five came back
to New Zealand in the year up to March twenty
twenty four. That's from Scott.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Scott, all right, that was that was Look, that was
your job was to get that stat and.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Say I'm halfway there. I'm on the stats website. So
I'm just going through the numbers. But thank you Scott
for rowing me out there.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Scott, you're doing doing Tyler's job for him.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
Appreciate it, Matey.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
We'll give you his wage.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Not much, not much.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
Be Brendan. Very good afternoon to you. Hello, Hello, Hey.

Speaker 16 (36:05):
I think a lot of your listeners, they probably don't
just are of missing the point a few points there.
Christopher Luxon is correct in a lot of ways that
there are more Kiwis going going to Australia than New Zealand.
But I'll give you an experience for myself. I'm a
Canadian citizen. I moved to New Zealand about twenty five
years ago. And I look at both sides. You know,

(36:27):
my father being a Kiwi, he moved to Canada, and
we have a structural issue because all his Kiwi friends
that left New Zealand as a baby baby boomer. The
the taxation, Like you make a living overseas, you know,
you have family, you know you say for your retirement
and pensions and stuff. But the way New Zealand treats

(36:51):
returning expats is very different than than other countries. For example,
you know we have a Kiwi Saber fund here, whereas
if you earned a pension overseas, I r D treats
taxes and very different than than than those living abroad
like in Canada, Australia or.

Speaker 14 (37:10):
Even the US.

Speaker 16 (37:11):
So it's very discouraging for them to come back to
New Zealand. They have a sizeable.

Speaker 21 (37:17):
Nest egge yeah right, yeah, okay.

Speaker 14 (37:20):
And and this is this is rarely spoken about.

Speaker 16 (37:23):
And on the opposite side, all those who have significant
assets in New Zealand moving to Australia. Let's say you
have houses, well, you know, we don't have capital gains
tax on basically your houses right here. But when you
move you also lose that right because if you live
in Australia, you're taxed on a world basis. So you

(37:43):
might have rental properties in New Zealand, those will not
will not have the tax free capital gain. They'll be
taxed by as a resident of Australian if you moved Australia.
Not many people talk about this. If you're young. When
you finish UNI, you know, you don't usually have these assets.

Speaker 19 (38:05):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 16 (38:06):
So but when they you on my uncle. I got
an uncle live in the Gold Coast. He's been there
for forty years. You've got rental properties. There's just no way.

Speaker 23 (38:15):
Yeah, he's going to come to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, I think if you call Brennan, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
I mean, clearly that is a big problem that if
someone does well overseas and they've got as sets.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Once you' once you've grown some roots.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah yeah, Brendan, thank you very much. A couple of
techs to wrap.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
This up poisonous jellyfish in the ocean and have to
wear a full body stinger suit crocs in the rivers. Yeah,
it sounds great. Not not going there's this Texter. Yeah,
I mean I just think where it's there's people are
always going to want to go to Australia. It's the
bigger grass is greener, it's just there. It's so easy
to get there, and we have the Trans Tasman Traveler Agreement.

(38:54):
So we just stopped beating ourselves up about it and
just accept it and try and make our country as
good as it can be. But it doesn't make us
lesser just because some people want to go to Australia.
It doesn't make duned And lesser because I moved to
Auckland exactly. It doesn't make New Zealand lesser because some
people move to Australia. Let's just do a good, damn
goddamn best to make New Zealand awesome and some people
will come back and some people will go. It's gonna

(39:14):
be all.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
Right, nicely said.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
They do want you back in Duneda, and I think
they they love you down there.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I don't know why I'm going back this weekend.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
It right, That is where will leave it. That was
a great discussion, Thank you very much. Coming up after
two o'clock this obsession with clean eating. It's called orthorexia.
We're going to chat about that and have a interview
Nicki Bizand who wrote the article. She is a nutritionist,
but it is a new fad and concerning for a
lot of doctors. We're going to open up the phone

(39:41):
line shortly.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the programs. Are
program six past two. So it's been called orthorexia, concerning
disorder that's been fed by social media influencers and obsession
over what we eat. Nicky bizands as a food writer,
author nutrition expert. She has pinned a very good and
very sobering article in the New Zealand Listener on this

(40:11):
and she joins us Now, Nikki, very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 11 (40:16):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
What is orthorexia.

Speaker 24 (40:20):
Well, it's a form of disordered eating. It is not
technically an eating disorder, although it's not technically recognized as
an eating disorder, although many of the experts in this
area are saying that it really is an eating disorder
in its own right now, and it's really around an
obsession with eating right, eating clean, eating everything perfectly. So

(40:44):
it's a very interesting one and quite you know, something
that we're seeing more and more, especially with social media.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, and do we have stats on how many Kiwis
are exhibiting orthorexia?

Speaker 13 (40:56):
Have?

Speaker 24 (40:56):
No, we don't have sex at this point. It hasn't
really been measured because again it's not an official eating
disorder yet, but it's probably somewhere in the range of similar,
be similar to anorexia, which is which is around I
think it's around four percent of the population, so it's
it's small but significant.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
So how is it different from yoyo dieting that that's
existed for a while.

Speaker 24 (41:20):
Yeah, well, I mean some of the characteristics of orthorexia
can can pop up in people who are dieting, and
certainly a lot of if you see, you know, a
lot of diet influences and promoters of diet will use
elements of orthorexic kind of thinking in their in their diet.

(41:41):
But the driver of this is really to be doing
everything perfectly in terms of what you're eating. And it's
not really driven by a desire to lose weight right
to look a certain way. It's actually driven by this
idea that I have to be perfect, that I have
to be doing everything clean.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, and so these people people are essentially being manipulated
by social media influencers and people posting stuff for and
gayagement and the next thing and the next thing and
the next thing of what you need to do. Is
is that what's really pushing this at this you know,
in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 24 (42:18):
Well, I think it's not that it's necessarily being driven
by social media, but it's it's being enhanced by social media.

Speaker 23 (42:23):
So people have got this.

Speaker 24 (42:24):
Tendency inside them, so and it's becoming its restricting their life.
So it's becoming something that's impairing the ability to live
a normal life. And what they're seeing, what they're engaging
with on social media, and so then the social media
algorithms are feeding them more and more of this stuff
is really making it worse. So it's it's really it's
something that I think social media can really ramp up

(42:48):
if it's already happening to you. And that's true of
all this and disorders.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Actually does this include And I've got people like this
in my life, Nick, you know, I imagine a lot of
people listening do as well. Where there is a health concern,
whatever that may be. It may be anxiety, it may
be another health concern that they someone just cannot get
on top of, and then they are told via social
media or whatever it is, that this is there's a
new product that is going to help you with that,
and they zero in on that, and that potentially can

(43:14):
cause issues if they get too obsessed with that particular product.

Speaker 24 (43:17):
Yeah, definitely. And I have talked to people for this
story who have started and started for them like that
trying to solve a health issue, maybe not getting so
much resolution from traditional medicine or you know, from regular medicine,
and then you know, latching on to a diet plan
that claims to be able to solve this issue for them,

(43:39):
and then just becoming more and more obsessed. That's definitely
a pathway into autho ex here. I think.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Now, I'm just we've always got to go back steps
here because of course we've read the article. It's a
fantastic article. But what is just to move back a step,
what is clean eating? A bunch of people on the
text machine, a texting through asking that what actually is
clean eating?

Speaker 24 (43:57):
Well, it's really around. I mean, it can mean different
things for different people. It's really, you know, a kind
of extreme version of health eating if you like, you know,
we know what healthy eating eating and eating a balanced
diet and wide variety of food. People who are interested
in clean eating will be usually eliminating a lot of
foods or a lot of food groups from their diet

(44:19):
because of the perception that they have that there's something
you know, unhealthy about that food or that food group.
So I'm sure we all know people who don't eat
certain foods. You know, they might not eat gluten, or
they might not eat white flour, or they might not
eat meat. You know, there's all kinds of aspects to
it or different elements of it. So clean eating can

(44:40):
incorporate a lot of that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
And what are the dangers? How does it manifest itself
as a problem.

Speaker 24 (44:47):
Well, the dangers are it can impair someone's life, like
other eating disorders, and so it can lead to you know, anxiety, depression,
social isolation when it starts to impact on hell because
you're eliminating so many different foods right lead to malnutrition,

(45:09):
It can lead to other medical problems, and severe weight
loss can be one of them, and you know, even
things like organ damage. So it is potentially dangerous. It's
a psychological condition that has got you know, physical impacts
like other eating disorders.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
It's also annoying if you're trying to spend time with
people like this. Is it time to start shaming people
for this? In the end, aren't they just annoying fussy
eaters and we tell kids off for this kind of
fussy eating behavior?

Speaker 24 (45:38):
Well, I mean it's probably shaming is probably not the
right thing to do in this case. It is a disorder.
So probably shaming someone is only going to make them
become more isolated and turn away from you. I guess
probably there's there is a difference between the someone who's
just a fussy eater and someone who has a disorder
that they're not really in control of, you know, Like

(45:59):
they can start out being in control, and maybe they
do start out as just being fussy, and then it
can progress down a path where they really have lost control.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
But if it's like their disorder, if it's like the
henth thing that they've come up with, because you know,
if you're like me, I always believe the last thing
I've read on you know, and something comes up on
social media and you believe it and then you tell
people about it. And so if it's the tenth thing
that someone has said, now I'm not eating this because
of this, and now I'm not eating this because it's this,
Shaming might not be the right word, but is should

(46:28):
we push back and say, come on this three weeks
ago it was this, and now it was this, Come on,
just have something to eat. It's okay, it's fine, just
let yourself off the hot let's go. You're making things
difficult for yourself. You're stressing yourself out with this clean,
clean eating. Let's just go for it. Eat like, eat
what's in front of you. Let's go.

Speaker 24 (46:48):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that there's a lot
of disordered or orthorexic kind of thinking amongst people who
aren't who don't necessarily have eating disorders. Right, So we
see this and you probably see this in your friend
groups too, where people do get kind of a bit
fixated on particular ways of eating or diets or whatever.
And there is room in our normal conversation for that

(47:11):
for that kind of conversation to be a little bit
challenged because because diet, I mean, it's a whole other conversation.
But diets are nonsense. All diets, you know, any kind
of restriction in the way that you're eating is is
just a marketing thing, and it's really not. They're not
designed to make us healthy. They're designed to make people money,

(47:32):
people who are promoted it promoting the diet. So so
you know, any kind of diet thinking, I'm always up
for a challenge on that.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I mean, is that part of it, Nikki, that a
nutrition just seems so confusing and it's it hasn't got
any less confusing that. You know, one week it's okay
to eat butter, then it's not okay to eat butter.
Then olive oils in vogue, and then there's something else.
But eggs are bad for you, potatoes are bad for you.
Kumera is back in. There's just so much misinformation or
weird information coming through. Clearly social media is to play,

(48:02):
but should there not be kind of a central hub
where people can just get straight up easy information on
what is going to be good for you and what
is just a bit of nonsense and you probably shouldn't
go down that route.

Speaker 24 (48:14):
Yeah, I mean, we actually all know what the answer is.
We know what's healthy. And I mean I have been
running that food for like twenty years or more and
diets and I have seen it all. I've seen it
all come and go. Honestly, things come around and gout
and go around, and diets come and go, and they're
all pretty much the same thing dressed up in a
different and a different, you know, disguise or a different

(48:35):
there's good different spokesperson, but it's usually the same. And so,
but we know what is healthy. We know that we
should eat a wide variety of food. We know that
we should eat mostly whole foods, fresh foods, you know,
lots of plants, not too much processed food, not too
much you know, sugar or fat or salt. We know
that stuff. But it's just that we get very distracted

(48:57):
by all of these people on social media telling us, no,
I've got the answer, you should eat this and not
eat that. Yeah, but I actually think that in our
heart we know what's good for us.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, Nikki, great to chat with you, think you very
much and we'll catch up again soon. That is Nicky Bozant,
food writer, author and nutrition expert. You can ever read
of that article on the New Zealand here a website
and also in the listener.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
But can you get your thoughts on this?

Speaker 6 (49:20):
So eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, are we stressing ourselves out too much about what
we eat? Should we just stop following these losers on
social media that tell us to eat and just eat
what we know is healthy? And should we be putting
up at hand when someone's come up with their tenth
crazy new plan and just saying come on, come on,
because there's the way they do it. I'll talk about
this next. But there's the way people preach at you

(49:43):
about the latest thing you should be doing that annoys
the hell out of me.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
really keen to hear from you? It is sixteen past two.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Wow your home of Afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

Speaker 20 (49:59):
Be.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Afternoon, It is nineteen past two. So are you sick
of people are trying to tell you what to eat?

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Effectively?

Speaker 6 (50:09):
That's what it comes down to, right.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
I mean, are you sick of people in your life
with their stupid, ever changing diets that they've just heard
about on social media? You know, we've got this saying
here orthorexia, whatever that means. But is it just you know,
like last night, my partner caught me eating a packet
of chips, right yeah, And so I actually caught myself
sneaking upstairs to have a packet of chips, and I
felt bad and I did it, and nordally it made

(50:32):
them actually taste delicious because I knew it. And then
you just thought, who cares? Just do we need to
just shell the hell out of diet because for all
the talking about diets and all the social media fairs
and everything that people are doing and every people are saying.
When if you go out for dinner, there's someone's saying
they won't eat. There someone wait eating that. People aren't
getting any thinner, are they?

Speaker 11 (50:48):
No?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
And people aren't getting any healthier from it.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
And the stress you're causing yourself and the blood pressure
and the quartersol levels. I mean, clearly that's bad for you.

Speaker 6 (50:55):
Oh it. One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Tim, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Get our gentlemen.

Speaker 11 (51:01):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (51:02):
Very good? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Okay, so my thoughts now, I don't know who mad
or to And I know there was the tongan cheek
about shaming people out for their various choices week to
week on eating. I'm not sure which one of the
he was now.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
There was people, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
Yeah, cool. Well you sort of weirded it differently. But
I'm not so sensitive about that. You know, I'm a
regular caller, so you know, I'm opinionated. I would I
would tread lightly though myself around critiquing somebody on what
they're eating, just because if it was annoying me. What

(51:48):
someone else was eating or annoying, I would be looking
at myself rather than then, you know, because and I'm
the first one to point things out the people. But
there are a lot of people with underlying medical conditions
who will try all sorts of remedies, people with auto
mean conditions, which apparently can be improved greatly by going

(52:15):
down certain food eating choice.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
But I guess what we're talking about here is more
the people that are on social media and they're constantly
reading from these influences who have reason to do it.
They're making money, they're getting engagement by coming up with
these more and more extreme things. And so you you know,
a lot of people have people in their life that
have always got their latest thing they're doing. They've always
got their latest fad, their latest thing they've read. You

(52:39):
can't eat that, you can't eat that, you can't eat that,
and they're stressing themselves out about it. Really, what I'm
saying with shaming them, is it worth saying to them,
come on, you're always doing this, You're just going for
the last thing you've read. You're making your life so
much more confident than complicated when it should be. And
notwithstanding what you're saying, tim people that have serious issues

(53:00):
that can't you know, there are people that are actually
gluten intolerant and etc. Not those people, but you know,
helping people out by saying, just let it go. We
know what the healthy foods are, their whole foods.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
Sure understand where you're coming from, I really do. And
you know, it's a saying that people are so invested
in social media they allow themselves to be guided to
that degree, you know, and maybe they're coming from it
from a good point of view, but the person that's
shilling that information second hand, like you say, it's an

(53:33):
influencer and that they you know, they need to you know,
critical thinking is invaluable in these situations where you know,
you take someone's point of view, but particularly if you're
going to try like an eating plan or sendything that's
going into you. But do you want to do a
bit more research before you just blindly accept something you

(53:55):
saw on the internet is absolutely accurate? You know?

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, yeah, and that those things are so convincing because
I get convinced by things all the time. They're so
convincing and you go, oh that's the truth, and then
you then it's.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Then if someone told me, it said, Tyler, you know,
just look into that. I don't know actually if that's
going to do what you think it's going to do.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, and then done, Krueger. If you don't know a
lot about an issue, you believe it can you can
you can feel like you've solved the whole problem. But
you're exactly right. I mean, maybe that's the way you
push back. And are you sure or is that just
a social media post from someone that's trying to get engagement,
you know, just pushing back on people like that when
they sit down to a meal with you and say

(54:34):
they're not eating this, they're not eating that. You know,
maybe just.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
Question back to what you were saying about making them aware.
So yeah, you know, I can see that's it's not
a bad thing. And I didn't just through believe it
was not a handful thing to do. But yeah, I
know you've cheered me around like a gentle If you
see someone over and over and over, yeah, just thrashing themselves,

(54:59):
that's a that's a head problem.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
Love, you know, it comes from a place of love,
that that sort of shaming.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
Yeah, exactly, all right. I won't take more time, but
we ended up in the same spot.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yeah, we had a great chat. Thanks so much for
your call, Tim, You call it any time. Always enjoy
your calls.

Speaker 13 (55:14):
Tim.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Labeling people as are mentally unwell for choosing to eat
healthily healthy food is ludicrous. It's the experts who came
up with the bears who have the psychological issues. Next,
pharmaceutical companies will want to sell a pill for this
to make money.

Speaker 6 (55:29):
Yeah, everything in moderation, lads. That's from Kivy.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Yeah, spot on um. And here is the simple answer,
get off social media. I mean, but that's why it's
a hard line, right, is that there's been an obsession
with wellness, no doubt about it, over the last eighteen months, actually,
since the origin of social media, we've had most of
us in obsession with being well and healthy. And there's
nothing wrong with that. But that line between obsession and

(55:55):
craziness and going down these rabbit holes versus just eating healthy,
exercising and doing the normal things, that can be a
hard line to find for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Yeah. Well, you ask yourself, the people that follow each
of the next fads and constantly coming at you with
a new thing, are they the most healthy and well
balanced people?

Speaker 6 (56:13):
You know, no, Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is a number to call. Twenty five pus too.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty eight on used talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Afternoon and we are discussing the obsession over wellness. There
has been a term for a disorder that people who
go too far into the wellness side of things, an
obsession with clean eating. It's called authoryxia. But Kenny, of
your thoughts about the influence of social media when it
comes to all these wellness fans and trends.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Yeah, you know, I moost have kids. When my kids
were little, kids would come around to my house for
dinner and they'd go, I don't eat that. We don't
eat that at my house. And I always say, cool story,
yeah this is, and then just serve the same food.
Is that, you know, it's a cool story. What you eat.
It's so interesting to hear what people eat and what
they won't eat and what they don't eat.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
You know, that was I mean, there was no such
thing as fussy cad. It's fussy eating kids that long ago.
Is that if you didn't want to eat your broccoli,
well then you don't get any food. You've got to
be a hungry and very soon you're coming back down
to the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
And eating in the end, Aren't they just annoying fussy eaters?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yeah, I one hundred eighty ten eighty A couple of
ticks to the headlines.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Ah, are you sure you too are not just justifying
your position of eating rubbish? From Sandra?

Speaker 6 (57:28):
That's a good point, very good points.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Yeah, But like you, I've had to look every now
and again. I have Kentucky fried chicken. I've made it
well aware that I love it. But when I feel
I need to park in the in the car park
and just eat my little chicken box and then dispose
of the evidence without telling my partner, I mean, who's
the one with the problem? Is that me or my
partner has got the problem at that point that I
feel I need to hide it, And I pushed.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Back on Sandra. Maybe the point I'm trying to make
is no one should have to justify what they're eating,
and no one should be preaching because I guess the things,
I don't really care what anyone sits down and eats
around me. I I don't care, but it's just if
you have to hear about it constantly. No, I'm not
eating that. You shouldn't eat that. I've just read this
thing with that's not good for you. You study says
that's bad. That thing's terrible for your gut. BYO, go

(58:12):
move away from that. That's and it's just it's this,
this incessant and so maybe authorexia is not the right
thing to be talking about here. It's not really what
I mean. It's just this constant obsession with what you're eating,
to the point of distraction and stress and overthinking when really,
as as as Nikki said on the phone before, we

(58:33):
all know what we're supposed to eat.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
You know, just let me eat my white pasta. I'm
enjoying my macaroni and cheese, and I don't need you
in my ears saying that carbohydrates are going to kill you.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Well, that's exact opposite point and what I was trying
to say. But fair enough, I'm not going to judge
you on what you thank you, but we all know
you eat that if you want. But we all know
we're supposed to be eating vegetables and some protein. That's
that's all.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
We all know.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
That making it way too complicated.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty eight.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
We're going to pick this back up after the headlines
with Raylene, which is coming up.

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Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Thank you very much, ray Lean and we are talking
about obsession with healthy eating clean eating? Is it just
a little bit too complicated? I think most of us
do understand what are good foods and what are bad foods,
but social media certainly plays a part right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
This Texas says, it cracks me up that you two
think that you should get your nutritional information from social media.
Quite strange when you think about it. That's exactly the
opposite of what we say. We're saying that you shouldn't
be getting your your information about eating from social media
and that it's unduly stressing people out because they go
online and someone's manipulating you to get your click, to

(01:01:03):
get your view, to get your your attention so they
can make more. They monetize it by coming up with
more and more extreme ideas on dietary situations when we
all know what you're actually supposed to eat. And my
sedestion here is that we should push back on people
that are sitting down and you're sitting down to eat,
and they go, can't eat that anymore. It's bad for

(01:01:23):
your gut by them, and it's like no vegetables and
a bit of protein. We know what to eat. Sometimes
we move away from it. Sometimes we get up in
the middle of the night and have a pack of
the chips. We don't need to be told off for it.
As someone saying to me, this whole hour of chat
is just because Matt's better because he got told off
for eating some chips last night. That could be true.

Speaker 6 (01:01:42):
I think they could be very fair, actually very fair.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
It could be some truth.

Speaker 6 (01:01:47):
Oh one hundred and eighty eighty is another to call,
hey you Helen, good day, How are you very good?
What's your view on this?

Speaker 25 (01:01:56):
Two sides of it? Yes, starting there's a lot of
it that's just as fair and realistically, give it five
minutes and it'll be gone. But externally to that, I
meaned on the sod map diet over fifteen years ago,
what's that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
What's the what's the how does that work?

Speaker 25 (01:02:11):
The fod map diet, it's f O d M a
p all to do with ibs and all that lovely
lady stuff. But I went on that fifteen years ago,
and honestly, it changed my life. I went from not
being able to hold a part time job so now
me and my husband own a business. It really did
make a difference. They call it a diet because it's

(01:02:33):
not one hundred It changes slightly for every person, but
it changed my life. But externally to that, definitely eat
what you want, go for gold. You only get to
live once.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
So I'm just trying to get my head around the fodmap.
So somebody to do with short chain carbohydrates and yeah,
so how.

Speaker 15 (01:02:55):
Do you you can?

Speaker 25 (01:02:56):
And Carlie, so how do you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Live on the on the forodmap diet? What what what
do you eat? And what don't you eat?

Speaker 25 (01:03:02):
I avoid honey, molasses, they are certainly and stone fruit
is definitely ones that it sort of rack me up
and make it so that I'm hospitalized. Honey will try
and kill me. So that's always fun.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Wow, that's interesting because all I've ever heard of my
entire life is positive stuff about honey, Like it's the
absolute super food. You rub it on your injuries and
it solves you. You can you can eat a jar
of honey that's been in an Egyptian pyramid and it's
still good now, but it's bad in some regard. Is
it allan?

Speaker 25 (01:03:35):
Well, that's the thing. I mean, if you look at
everything on the internet, if you want to pinpoint something,
you'll always find something bad about it. As a country,
we herow it because it's something we produce, and that's fantastic.

Speaker 26 (01:03:48):
Absolutely.

Speaker 25 (01:03:48):
If it works for you, go for gold. If it doesn't,
try and avoid it. And for me it doesn't work, Okay,
the next person it works fantastic for your boots.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
And is it quite an easy food plan to follow?

Speaker 25 (01:04:04):
I found it initially quite tricky because I said that
I was able to eat everything as a kid. I
ate everything. We were very traditionally brought up, so there
was food in front of your edit or you get served.

Speaker 15 (01:04:18):
It the next meal.

Speaker 25 (01:04:19):
It was too bad, which is great. Yeah, yeah, so
definitely huge life change. I certainly missed the central otago
stone fruit, but at the same time, I know it
will hurt if I eat it, so there's no point
in eating it. Yeah, and you develop those allergies in time,

(01:04:41):
and you know, I was hoping to grow out of them.
But hey, I haven't, so it's one of those things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
So Helen, But is that the one thing you've done?
So you said twelve years ago you jumped on the
FOD map, But that's that's worked for you, and that's
the one thing. So you're not really you're not. You're
not like these people that we're complaining about that have
a new one every two weeks.

Speaker 25 (01:05:01):
No, no bug at that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
That's thank you so much for your call, Helen. I
appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:07):
Yeah, eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Text here a guys, I hate work colleagues asking what's
for lunch and what you did have for lunch and
noise the hell out of me.

Speaker 6 (01:05:16):
Just let me eat what I want to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
And this one, I've been doing Carnival for four months.
Was sick of being told I needed to spend thousands
a year and supplements from social media have gone back
to basics. It's cured my brain fog and anxiety and
I've never felt better. I believe a lot of disease
that we have created over the years with processed foods
and a big farmer could be almost cured with this
lifestyle based on how our ancestors lived, So that's the

(01:05:42):
pure kind of carnival diet. I wonder if that's because
some people go really hard and they only eat steak,
they only eat meat, but some people go for you know,
meat and a bit of edge. But I think you
definitely can't go wrong with meat and beg if you're
eating every day, right, some bit of potatoes, get a
bit of broccoli, yep, you got a bit of meat,

(01:06:04):
but a bit a beautiful steak yeap, then you're don
doing pretty good, right.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
Meat and three vig Yeah, that's what our parents had.
That's what my grandparents had, a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Right yeah, And then they'd have pikelots and they'd still.

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
Be all right, Oh yeah, so is it?

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Yeah? Okay, we don't do enough to zero the meat
and three vigt diet.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Yeap.

Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
O eighty ten eighty is the number to call. I
love to hear your thoughts on this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
This This is a controversial text that I'll play out.
And I've also got some audio from a stand up
comedian Sean Locke on this key issue that I'll play next.

Speaker 6 (01:06:34):
It is twenty to two three back in a mole.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Ha's the spicy text. Yeah, I'll read it out.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
A fresh take on talk back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons have your say on
eight hundred eighty ten eighty US Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
B seventeen to three. Great Evy Company are having a
great discussion about diet. Seeing a healthy food that we
should be eating.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Sounds like tall Poppy syndrome to me? Why bring those
down that are only trying to do their best by themselves.
With the amount of diabetes in New Zealand, I think
a few people, more people could be aware that the
diet could be contributing, rather than just take the tablet
the doctor prescribed. Yeah, no doubt, there's people that just
can eat healthily, and good on them. We're talking about
a condition where you just absolutely obsessed with the latest

(01:07:20):
diet that you've read on social media, where you're being
played by the algorithm to believe the last thing that
come through and you go you just cycle through crazy
fad diet to crazy fad diet at all. That's not
I don't think that text understands what the tall Poppy
syndrome is. And if you go to someone and if
you know you're sitting down to and go oh, I
don't eat that, and you go why and they, oh,

(01:07:42):
because have you seen this thing where you can't eat
that now because of this? Yeah, there's nothing wrong with
pushing back and going You always come up with these fads.
You're always on social media looking at these things. Have
you thought potentially that maybe you're stressing yourself out unduly
when we actually all know what we're supposed to eat.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Exactly, which is whole foods. Yeap, the are the ones
we're going to push back on. Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the to call Frank. What's your
take on this clean eating obsession?

Speaker 27 (01:08:16):
Yeah, good afternoon, gentlemen. Yeah, a very interesting subject. And
up the wise, there is one thing that we can
do ice. When I was at college, I studied biology
and physics, so I know a little bit and I
was twenty one years My last occupation was looking after people.

(01:08:39):
So the thing that we now very really here about
this is pH pH is one to fourteen seven being neutral.
One to seven is apic acid and seven to fourteen
is alkaline. And now you might if you're a gardener,

(01:09:02):
there are some parts like in the garden where nothing
will really grow. The bloody soil is just and why
that is is because the pH is so low and
you've got to add lime and so on to bring
up the pH. The pH in our own bodies is
around about the sweet spot is six point six, just

(01:09:22):
below the seven mark. And if you indulge in well
I shave your smoke, alcohol, eat process foods regularly, it
lowers your pH. It lowers it down. If it gets
around about below five, then you've got it's a prolifiation.

(01:09:47):
Then I've even get the bacteria, viruses, even get diabetes, cancers,
ass writers, you name it, you get it. So you've
got to get that pH up around about six point six.
And that I grow show orchids, and it's very important
I keep my orchids that a good pH level. And

(01:10:11):
I know it sounds a bit, but it really, I'm
really very I'm serious. I'm not preaching. Well I suppose
i am, but I'm really serious about I check my
pH every week and you can get little lit misticks
from a chemist and it will show you what your
what your pH is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Yeah, all right, well fair enough, Frank. I appreciate your
thoughts on that.

Speaker 27 (01:10:34):
There is one thing that if to raise it, if
it's low and on most people that will be low
because it's our lifestyle. Apple Viniger's Apple side of vinegar
is the year is the thing to bring it back
up right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
I'll tell you what. When I was working at Donaldson's
Dairy and I sorry, Donaldson's Nursery and Dunedin I got there,
which was were I got all the potting wrong. I
got the acid wrong and you know, the pH wrong
and the soil that I was potting some plants from
mister Donaldson who was and I spent two days potting
all these plants and Australians will it was the wrong

(01:11:09):
soil and kill killed two thousands of thousands. Yeah, they
don't like the wrong that. They don't like the wrong pH.

Speaker 27 (01:11:18):
That's absolutely, very very essential.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
So yeah, well, thank you for.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
You call Frank, Thank you very much. One hundred and
eighteen eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 6 (01:11:27):
Charyl. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 28 (01:11:29):
Hey guys, good? Thank you tell you what? So I
agree that all of this fad and influencer lead dietary
changes are frustrating, and they're frustrating for me because I'm
a person who has a you know, some very serious
health conditions that put a lot of foods off limits

(01:11:53):
for me, and so I have to endure people rolling
their eyes at me as if I'm, you know, just
doing what what Instagram told me. When I've got, you know,
really genuine medical reasons for having to having to ask
for things to be modified, we're possible, and it makes
it it makes it makes me feel self conscious that

(01:12:14):
having to do it, and you know, and then feeling
like I have to, you know, divulge my personal medical
information so that I'm not looked at like it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
But if you do that and it's just a quiet
word and it's a consistent thing because it is a
health issue that that you know is real, then absolutely
no one should should judge you or even have a
word to you about that or I mean, it's quite
different from someone and I can see how you feel
like you're being judged, like you are one of these
people that's just being tricked by the latest latest social

(01:12:46):
media trend. But you'd be a very harsh person that
that that that had a problem with you doing what
you need to do for your.

Speaker 28 (01:12:53):
Health once once they know what's going on. But it's
that initial you can you can almost you know, you
could you can almost feel them just going then you
sort of feel obliged to have to go, oh well.

Speaker 24 (01:13:07):
Because of.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Yeah, that is unfair on you as well, because there
are a lot of people that become obsessed with their
help and for one of a better word, makeup illnesses
that they've got or make up reasons why they can't
do things, and that's unfair. They're gluten intolerant. People that
aren't gluten intolerant, and there are people with Celia's disease

(01:13:30):
that are actually it is actually a real thing, but
there's so many people running around saying they're gluten intolerant.
It kind of kind of makes a mockery of the
people that actually are going through the really serious issue.

Speaker 19 (01:13:42):
Yes, yes, and I.

Speaker 28 (01:13:44):
Kind of just want to say to them, I wish
I could have it. Can you just eat it?

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
That's right. You're in a lucky position and you're making
your life harder than it needs to be in stressing
yourself out when you would give anything to be able
to have that wider diet. Absolutely well, that makes them
even worse. Thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Thank you very much, Charyl right oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Love to
hear from you. Just a quick text here, Hey guys,
read the FOD map. It's linked to those to assisting
rather those experiencing arital bowel syndrome that the previous caller mentioned.
People following the principal have awful gut pain and gas
with heaps of food including onions and garlic. Plus the

(01:14:25):
previous caller said the stone fruit is well, so thank
you very much, but keep those texts coming through. It
is nine minutes to three. Back for you shortly here
on News Talks heb the issues.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talksb afternoon.

Speaker 6 (01:14:44):
It is seven to three.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
We've been talking about obsessions with clean eating, the obsessions
with wellness. Social media is a big part of that.
It had some great calls on our eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. A few texts coming through on nine to
nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Get your wife a cat. She will be busy dealing
with the fussy, fussy eating cat. She will give up
on you.

Speaker 6 (01:15:05):
Thanks from Mary.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Matt. It's amazing who we listened to through Bittering ourselves
because of you. I stopped drinking coffee and I'm running
because of my cholesterol was too high. And Hoskins convinced
me to do cold showers and brushing teeth on one leg.
Good on your muz, Yeah, very good, I know. And
when I'm hassling people, I believe the last thing I
read as well. But I will absolutely back running to

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lower your cholesterol.

Speaker 20 (01:15:31):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
And I will back lowering the amount of coffee you drink,
definitely because it apps your anxiety. But I'm only saying,
lawyer it to three, you know, three coffees. But I'm
not going ooh when someone's eat drinking coffee, I'm not going, oh,
you're you going to drink that You're worried about your
anxiety because you drink a lot of coffee, Tyler?

Speaker 9 (01:15:48):
Do I ever go?

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
I just saw something on social media that says you
shouldn't drink that coffee. No, And I just read something
on there that it's bad for your gut by them,
And are you going to have that burger, Tyler? Because
I don't know, you need to be eating hopleful, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:16:04):
What I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
And thank god you don't because I'm always bringing boogers
in here in KFC. I think we've got time for
one more call, do we?

Speaker 6 (01:16:11):
Yes? Adrian is there right?

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:16:14):
Yeah, Hi, nice to check. What's your view on this?

Speaker 26 (01:16:17):
Hello? Well, just slightly amusing. I work for a catering company,
so we get a lot of dietary requirements, more and
more so these days. Frog maps are often but those
are serious. Then we get things like and vegetarian but
we'll eat chickens or know, a pescatarian is a vegetarian

(01:16:42):
that will eat fish and seafood, you know, those are
my choice. We get a lot of gluten free and
other sort of allergies. But the funniest one was a
woman that couldn't have eggs, so that that's fine, that
steps an allergy, but couldn't it wouldn't eat egg plant

(01:17:02):
because it's God, So you know what you're allergic to?

Speaker 7 (01:17:10):
You know?

Speaker 26 (01:17:12):
Okay, Yeah, so that was all.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
That's the crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of it out there.
Most friends and family focusing on diet I know, get unwell. Yeah,
I guess that's what we're kind of saying. All those
wellness influences have a lot of botox. That makes me laugh. Yeah,
I mean, and a lot of wellness influences that you
that you listen to will then just pound bottles and
bottles of wine. After telling you how how you should

(01:17:38):
eat healthily, they'll they'll then slam wine. So you know, chill, chill,
and lok. We've run out of time to play the
Seawan Lock clip about gluten intolerance, but I'll play it
after the break.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Yeah, this has got to be good, right, Thank you
very much to everyone who phoned and called on that.
Matt's going to play that Shawn Lock clip after the
break and then we're going to have a chat about
climbing Mount Everested is four minutes to three, New Sport
and Weather coming up. You're listening to Matt and Tilt.
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
You're on new home for instul and Entertaining Talk. It's
Maddie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Sebby, Very good afternoon, welcome back into the show. Great
to have your company. As always, Just before we move
on to the next topic.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Yeah, before we put dietary concerns behind us and people
that are constantly jumping on the latest social media dietary
fair I mentioned before this piece of stand up from
the great English comedian Sean Locke Rip. You might know
him for eight out of ten cats, but he's a
very very funny man. Well was a very very funny man.
Died in twenty twenty one tragically, but this is a

(01:18:58):
piece of stand up he had about gluten intolerance.

Speaker 29 (01:19:01):
I know quite a lot of people who've got this
wheat intolerance.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
Fang. I'll just point out.

Speaker 29 (01:19:06):
You know, they come around your house and you offer
them a sandwich. Rather than going ah, no thanks, they go.

Speaker 9 (01:19:11):
Oh, I can't.

Speaker 29 (01:19:15):
I've got this wheat intolerance. And what that means is
if you give them some wheat, nothing happens, and you
give them a bit more wheat nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
If you keep giving them.

Speaker 29 (01:19:27):
Wheat, after about five days, they feel a bit, but
they behave like they've got spine of biffider, don't they?
Now are the people who are offended are called celiacs,
and they are severely affected by wheat. But they're like
zero point two percent of the wheat intolerant community. But

(01:19:47):
I responded to the celiacs. I said, look, obviously I
didn't mean you.

Speaker 9 (01:19:50):
I didn't mean you.

Speaker 29 (01:19:51):
I meant those legions of people I said, I know
loads them, they're kind of appropriated an illness taken on board,
an illness to maybe get more than their fair share
of attention. Yeah, the attention they couldn't get from their
personalities or achievements in life.

Speaker 9 (01:20:05):
Not worth mentioning, is my point.

Speaker 29 (01:20:07):
A bit like me coming out the start show tonight
saying lovely to be here, ladies and gentlemen. Really looking
forward to doing a great show. Although I must point
out I have got quite a niche ard.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Apologies for my rush editing of that. It was a
much longer piece that I hacked together, so there was
a few bad idits, but look it up on YouTube.
It's a very funny piece. He goes on to say
there were no gluten intolerant people in the trenches. Very
very sure. Great man anyway, absolutely right, said on play that.
Now I've said it, so let's put it behind us
and move on to our next topic.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Tyler put that to bed and let's have a chat
about climbing Mount Everest. So a group of British men
went from London to the summit of Mount Everest and
back in less than a week. That was with the
help of Xenon Gases what they call it mountaineers, and
the Nepalese government.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
Are not pleased.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
So these four climbers they posed on the top of
Mount Everest last Wednesday. Climbing that mountain, of course, typically
takes weeks, with most of their time spent at the
foot of the mountain adjusting tooth thin ear a climatizing.
But the use of this gas meant that these four
British climbers didn't have to do that. They could get

(01:21:12):
to the base of Mount Everest and start climbing up
and they don't have to stop at base.

Speaker 20 (01:21:16):
King.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Do you know who didn't have that xeon gas? So
Edmund bloody.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
Hillary, so right, knock the bastard off without that and Tensen. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
So really, what you're saying is climbing Mount Everest less
impressive than it used to be.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
And I think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
It's a hell of an achievement, absolutely, But when you
look at the pictures now and in this instance with
or without the gas, and I think the gas is
absolutely cheating. And by the way, there's an investigation by
the Nipolese government into the use of this gas.

Speaker 6 (01:21:46):
They think it is unfair.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
But they've got a problem because they think if people
are using that, they won't need their shurpas as much.

Speaker 6 (01:21:51):
Exactly right. That is a big part of climbing that mountain, isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
It, Because the shirpers have you know, they've grown up
in that air. They are climatized, they're incredible. Yeah, and
they think it's crazy watching the you know, the people
come over, they paid a lot of money and huff
and puff their way up there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Yeah, but it is so so even in this instance,
and we all see it again and again and again
with anyone who gets to the summit to Mount Neverest,
that the camera pans around and then you see this
ginormous queue of people trying to get to the summit.
I mean, they're almost like social media influencers waiting for
their turns to take a snap.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Right at the top, you've got ladders up there, you're
climbing over dead bodies. Well, i'd love to hear from
someone that's climbed Mount Everest. That's someone that's been up
there or been to base camp or yeah, or if
you're a mountain climber and you've got some adventures you
want to tell us about and tell us if it's
ridiculous to say that the xeon gas is something to
lower the achievement of climbing Mount Everest. Yeah, is it

(01:22:45):
still just an incredible thing? And Tyler's got terrible Donna
Krueger syndrome and it is actually still an incredible feat.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel
about these people who spend their heck of a lot
of money to get carried up Mount Everest and these
British climbers using gas to steam roll up there? Really
ten to get your views?

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
God, I'd love to hear from someone that's climb Mount Everest.
Surely there's someone out there at eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty or someone who knows someone back before this
cheety zeon gas.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
It there's aleven past three, very good afternoons. So we're
talking about climbing Everest. Is it's still the achievement that
it once was? Heavily commercialized? You've paid a lot of money,
there's still a lot of training involved for most people,
including these four British climbers who are in a bit
of strife with the Nipalese government. They're doing an investigation
because they used xenon gas to avoid acclimatizing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Yeah, so my understanding is that they were there and
back in four days when it normally takes about sixty
days because you've got to have breaks and a climatization.
You've got to climb up and then climb back down.
So it's normally quite an amazing, quite a full on time.
You've got to spend months and you know, nearly two months.
You know, it doesn't take that long to get up
to the top of the summit, even though it's pretty

(01:23:59):
pretty challenging to get there. Yeah, but you know you can't.
You can't do it without all this acclimatization, which the
Xeon gas sort of takes out of the equation.

Speaker 11 (01:24:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:24:08):
So has the shine been lost on climbing Mount Everest?

Speaker 20 (01:24:11):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to
call Trevor, how are you hey?

Speaker 14 (01:24:16):
Going there?

Speaker 6 (01:24:17):
Are you very good?

Speaker 20 (01:24:18):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
What do you think about it? The four climber is
using the gas? Well, just in general climbing Mount Everest?
Does it still an incredible cheaper or has the shine
come off a little bit?

Speaker 20 (01:24:27):
No? I think the mystical status of it is gone
and it's all to do with improvements and things like that.
But you know, we've always got Hillary, and he conquered Everest.
And I always remember one of his comments when I
was pointed out that apparently there's on English English and
Mallory and they're saying that he got to the top first,
and I'll it just come back and says, look, part
of conquering a mountain is getting back down. Apparently already

(01:24:49):
died on the way down. I didn't make it down. Yes, Now,
I thought, what just what a great statement. You know,
to conquer mountain you have to get back down. But
you know, I remember, and this is no disrespect adam PERORI,
but you know I remember I sort of lost a
lot of the like it's impossible to climb over You've
been camp tramping for all these years when adam PERORI

(01:25:13):
and well probably would have been tough working that. But
when Adam he conquered it and he climbed it, and
I'm thinking, gee, you know, that sort of brings the
status of climbing ever us right down, and it's even
approved work more now easier now when these people, you know,
I think they get amputees up there somehow now and
things like that, so but no, I remember when adam

(01:25:34):
PERORI congitive. That sort of brought it right down to
a level to me that maybe it's not as mythical
as people think. It just needed to common sense about
when you do it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Yeah, but I guess, I mean, it's still quite an
amazing achievement no matter what you do, right, no matter
what the aids you get. And there are still people
that die up there. I mean, I understand I could
be wrong with this number, but I understand you're passing
about three hundred bodies when you're when you're getting up there,
and of course some of those are from the from
the past, and you tend to get preserved if you die. Yes,

(01:26:06):
so those lie around for a long time. But you know,
it's an achievement to run a marathon, and it's an
achievement to do a whole lot of things. But yeah,
as you say, Trevor, it's never going to be the
achievement that Sir Edmund Hillary had.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:26:19):
Absolutely, Maybe I'll Adham he might be listening. He might
ring up and tell us what it was like climbing
up there.

Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Yeah, Well just quickly, Trevor, for lack of a better word,
is it kind of these people who are trying to
set new challenges with new technology, and in this case
gas it's kind of a bit of a jump the
shark situation that that shine is completely off those sort
of records, that they kind of feel a bit tainted.
And there was a woman not too long ago who
was trying to climb all of the mountains in the

(01:26:45):
world that are higher than eight thousand meters and she
got into a bit of strife because she ended up
taking a chop at the base camp as some of
those mountains, and so a lot of people said, hey,
that doesn't count. I mean, that's kind of what it
comes to, right, is these people trying to break records
and doing everything they can, and it just feels a
bit a bit cheating.

Speaker 6 (01:27:01):
It's not the achievement they think it is.

Speaker 20 (01:27:03):
Yeah, no, you're right, and you know, we've got to
be honest. You know, probably Sir Ed couldn't have done
it was out sherb attending, you know what I mean.
So things do improve, but I mean nobody could ever
ever say the difficulty and getting there back in nineteen
fifty four or fifty three, it's just the same as
doing it in twenty twenty five. I mean, it just
doesn't even evaluate in the same statement.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Really yeah, yeah, And you know you could argue, and
this would be a controversial thing to say, but when
Sir Edmund climbed Mount Everest in nineteen fifty three, he
was using oxygen cylinders, so you could go back and
say he was he was assisted in some way. He
wasn't just I mean, and I think some people did
the British run. I'm not taking anything anything away from

(01:27:47):
Sir Edmund Hillary. No, but he did use oxygen cylinders,
didn't they.

Speaker 6 (01:27:51):
Trevor, thank you very much. Oh sorry you go.

Speaker 14 (01:27:54):
Oh no, I was just going to fad.

Speaker 20 (01:27:55):
Also, the year they wear is probably a lot better too.

Speaker 23 (01:27:58):
I suppose all sports like that.

Speaker 7 (01:27:59):
Now.

Speaker 20 (01:28:00):
You know these athletes they have these shoes that bounce
them along. Now they don't ever sort of jump or
spring as much as normal. But no, I think they
nothing can ever be the first man to climb Everest,
so good love it and I love just comment about Yeah,
he might have got there first, but he didn't comment
the mountain because he didn't make it down.

Speaker 14 (01:28:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Yeah, the British were really keen for a photo to submerge.
It's just like a polaroid to float down the mountain.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Yes, Trevor, thank you very much. Right, we'll take a
quick break. Then we're going to have a chat to
someone who actually climbed Mount Everest last year.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Yeah, here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
This is going to be good night singing Past three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty eighty on News Talks EDB, News.

Speaker 6 (01:28:47):
Talks ed B.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
We are talking climbing Mount Everest, a story of four
British men who are in a bit of strife with
the Nepalese government because they used guests to get up
the mountain and record time. But also we had a
caller before Trevor who talked about Adam Perreori, famous New
Zealand cricketer who climbed Mount Everest. And this texter has
questioned it. Adam PERORI never climbed Mount.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Ever, says this texture he did. Actually he reached the
summit on If I'm looking at this interview, I'm reading
here about on the Herald on reach the Summit on
May twentieth, twenty eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Yeah, and I'm just reading some more of this. So
in the interview, speaking to Radio Hodaki's Matt Heath the
forty eight year old sare it's someone seing the mountain
was a hard slog. It's pretty tough, mate. I quite
like it hard. But once you get above eight thousand meters,
you're the big show. There's no question about that.

Speaker 6 (01:29:35):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Yeah. Well, he wasn't on the Xeon gas. He was
spending a bunch of time at base camp and acclimatizing
in the full sixty day experience eight hundred and eighty
eight hundred and forty eight meters. You cannot take that
away from anam Peroure, although I was. I was commentating
the Black Class once on TV and Z and anam

(01:29:57):
Perore had the micon so we could talk to him
and we were trying to put his wife's game going.
Did you really Mount Everest? He was like, yes, did
you really? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:30:07):
It was good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
He's a great chat in peror. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:30:11):
Now, Meli, Kate, have I said that correct?

Speaker 23 (01:30:14):
Yes, Malki it Malachi.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
It hey, very nice to chat with you. So tell
us your story.

Speaker 23 (01:30:20):
Oh good, I did Mount Vers last year wow, nineteenth
of May twenty four at age thirty seven, and I
am the fifty third from New Zealand to do it.
And I think before me, Adam pro I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Yep. Wow. And so how long were you you know,
because did you did it take you two months to
get up there?

Speaker 7 (01:30:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:30:45):
So I started from here tenth of April and it's
like a briefnessed. I did it on nineteen so I
came back on thirtieth of week. So nearly takes two
months to do it. But the problem is there do acclimatization.

Speaker 11 (01:31:06):
That's master.

Speaker 23 (01:31:08):
Like I was hearing you the guys who did it,
I think they took a lot of risk.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
You think what, Sorry, I just missed that they.

Speaker 23 (01:31:19):
Took a lot of risk. I think every one should
have a clamination before doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Yeah, so it's it's something that your team to climate
may do. You keep saying that may being the date
that people that people go up. Is that is that
when the weather is the best to do it.

Speaker 23 (01:31:36):
No, no, in the year, in a whole year, you
get only two weeks to get the windows. From thirtieth
of May to thirtieth of yeah, to twenty seventh of May,
you get the window.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
That's the one day. Yes, I say, you already said.

Speaker 23 (01:31:50):
That two weeks, So help you can you can?

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
You can you describe it, describe what it was like,
how hard, how hard it was to get up the summit,
and and you know what you saw as you were
going up.

Speaker 23 (01:32:03):
Yeah, it's a lot, a lot to tell you, but
in a brief I will tell you that what happened
with me was when I did when I went to
the base camp. So you have to do two rotations.
Like there are four camps in order if you want
to climb the Mount averst to the summit, they are
four camps Camp one, two, three, four, and then the summit.

(01:32:27):
Camp one base camp is at fifty five hundred nearlymeters
and I'm talking in meters, and Camp one is at
sixty one hundred, Camp two is sixty four, Camp three
is seventy one hundred, and the Camp four last one
is the seventy eight seventy nine and then the summit.
The summit, like last portion is eight one hundred eighty

(01:32:49):
four eight eight forty eight meters left, So.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
The last push is about one thousand meters is it
coming in the last push from Camp four to the
summit is just over one thousand meters and.

Speaker 23 (01:33:02):
Eight hundred forty eight, right, eight four, yeah, eight forty eight.
But what happens is you can't stay night at camp four,
so last night you can stay is at Camp three,
so that's at seventy. So what happened with me was
like I had to do rotations and one amount of

(01:33:23):
lagushe LaBouche is one six six sixeters. So after that
I got a loss of hepatite. Means if you go
to the average summit, you people get altitude sickness. So
what happened with him was I couldn't eat after doing labushe.
So for from twenty fourth of April till uh tenth

(01:33:49):
of May, I couldn't eat. I could only drink, and
they put me on a drip. But luckily I was
well enough to walk and climb, so I missed my rotations,
but they allowed me as I was like fully fit.
And it took me eleven days from base camp two

(01:34:14):
to the summit and come back. That should have been
done in only six days. It takes a normal climber
it takes only six days and you should be back
by six days. What happened with me was when I
went to Camp two, the weather of everest at the
summit went off like it was. They didn't allowed to climb,

(01:34:36):
so I had to sit at Camp two for five
days and for my family, I was like lost.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Yeah yeah, wow, that would have been terrified.

Speaker 23 (01:34:49):
Yeah yeah. So when I came back on twenty first.
I started on tenth of May and came back I
think twenty first of May at base camp. So that
time only they knew that I did the Everest.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
I'm I'm just writing your story now, Melly Kate. There
was a few out of who was published when you
climbed it and May May last year, So tell us
what when you I mean a heak of a journey
for you with the altitude, sickness and what you had
to go through. But what was that feeling like when
you when you finally got to the summer?

Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
Oh my god.

Speaker 23 (01:35:25):
You won't believe it because I have earlier met Sir
Edmund Hillry. So when I was in India, he was
used to be ambassador to India and I met them.
I met him, well, he was in India. So what
he said, that's exactly the world. I don't say it,
but when you do it, yeah, because and you passed

(01:35:50):
the bodies and the climbers fol won't do it and
were still lying on the summit, So you feel a lot.
You feel a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
On top of the world. So on the day that
you were up there, when you when you got up there,
how long do you spend on the summit? And was
was the weather? Was it clear so you could say
the view?

Speaker 23 (01:36:13):
Yeah, I could see the view. I reached at eight
thirty seven or nineteenth of May, so it took only
eight minutes or seven minutes. I stayed there because the
weather immediately the weather changes a lot. So I tell
you a little one when I when I was coming back,
hell steps they please hit me. So the blazers got

(01:36:35):
so strong, so like my specs I wear specks, and
specks gone off, and the goggles I was not wearing
goggles that time. Like it was good way to go.
But the blazer came out of a sudden and the
climbers who are climbing that time don't do it. They
have to return back. So when when the weather goes off,

(01:36:58):
the one who are doing it, they can't go further,
and the one who are coming down they are stuck.
So that's the hardest part. Yeah over there, Yeah, and
I want one thing more. I want to add, have
you heard of hallucination?

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
One more hallucinations?

Speaker 23 (01:37:16):
Hallucinations?

Speaker 14 (01:37:17):
Oh for three?

Speaker 6 (01:37:18):
Yes, yes, the altitude, yes I have.

Speaker 23 (01:37:20):
Yeah, yeah, that happened with me. So I was at
eight four three nine meters and I knew it was
three thirteen in the morning, and I was climbing that time,
so I don't know my share pa. He got sick,
like his stomach ache, and he said, you have to
sit on the line, only the row via you climbing.

(01:37:43):
So I have to move because if you stop, you
start to freeze.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
Croising, razing it.

Speaker 23 (01:37:50):
So I was moving and all of a sudden, you
won't believe, I started seeing thirteen fourteen feet man's big.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Mans wow, like like a s squash situation.

Speaker 23 (01:38:04):
Yeah, I thought maybe he's climbers. But again when I
turned towards those figures, they were like long figures. So
when my serback came from behind, because gaze is at
the back of yourslender is at back, so you can't
see the gay gaze. So he told me multiethio oxygen snails.

(01:38:25):
So that time he knew that it has it was hallucination,
and if he had not come, I was not talking
to you now, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
And speaking of not talking to us now, what an experience,
but speaking to us, there's also quite a few bodies
you would have had to be climbing past, yeah, on
the way, and he just you just sort of trem
passed them. Yeah, you don't stop.

Speaker 23 (01:38:46):
And nobody, nobody is like pass over them. They all
respect them.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Yeah, right, they will respect them.

Speaker 23 (01:38:55):
And what they have done is now is the Nepal
government they have you are tesked with two things, unsafety
and one ascender. They have moved their safety from the line,
so they are not just below the the line where
you are, where you're walking, where he's claim being loved.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Well, thank you so much for bringing and sharing your story.
I was really hoping that we've talked to someone who
had climbed Mount Everest. So I'm incredibly stoked and what
an experience. And good on you mate, how good, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:39:29):
Thank you very much, what a story, what a journey.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
That is malikit Sing and you can see and read
his story. It is in the Herald and other news websites.
Man oh Man, I mean, I'll take it back. It
is an achievement. And he went through Allen Beck to
get no.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
But we're not talking about him. He did the full
two months. Yeah, we're talking about the guys that are
taking the Xeon gas yes and doing it in four days.

Speaker 18 (01:39:53):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
But yeah, we got a great call and you know,
fifty to do it, and to be the fifty third
New Zealand to a climb Mount Everest when you know,
Sir Edmund Hillary did it in nineteen fifty three is
kind of cool, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
It is, oh, one hundred and eighty teen eighty is
the I'd love to hear your thoughts about climbing Mount
evereston if you've done it, being to base camp, really
keen to have a chat with you. It is twenty seven.

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(01:41:22):
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Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. And we're talking about scaling
Mount Everest. The Nepalese government is investigating four British climbers
who managed to scale Mount Everest in three days less
than a week with the help of Xenon gas.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Well I mean because it affects the impacts on terrorism,
tourism and Nepalese tourism. The Shep's livelyhood. So the team
pre acclimatized using a hypoxic tents in with the Xeon
gas treatments in Germany before they went over. And I
guess the debate around it is it's questions around you know,
short cutting human achievements because it's an extreme port and

(01:42:19):
there's something you know about going up there that is
hard and the reason why it counts is because it's
so incredibly hard. So scientific opinions are divided about some
experts saying that that this is this is a bad thing,
but it's banned by the anti doping agencies for competed sports.
This gas that they're using, the Xeon gas, And yeah,

(01:42:40):
I don't know. Some people say it improved safety because
you know, you can operate in your windows a bit easier,
but it sort of just challenges traditional mountaineering essex, isn't it.
So it's an interesting monks except what they did the
whole thing was in four days. They were up there
and up and four days, but they had been aclimatizing

(01:43:00):
in Germany before that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
Yeah, but the question doesn't take the shine off it.
And we heard from Malice before it was the fifty
third New Zealander to climb up there. He had to
go through all that acclimatizing between the four different base gaps.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
He was on a drip, he got altitude sickness, he
was hallucinating massive monster men on the mountain. He went
through hardship. His family thought he was lost exactly. You know,
these guys just blasting up there with their Xeon gas
and they're pre acclimatizing in Germany and they're they're doping
and they're fixing, and they're bypassing the sheerpers.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
I don't know exactly. I don't know, Diane, what do
you reckon about all this?

Speaker 21 (01:43:37):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:43:38):
Good?

Speaker 30 (01:43:38):
Thanks? How are you? Matt and Tyler?

Speaker 6 (01:43:41):
Very well?

Speaker 30 (01:43:42):
Twenty seventh of May twenty seventeen. I was at the
airport in Iceland waiting from a flight back to the UK,
and all of a sudden I saw a lot of
people with cameras hanging around the next and that, and
I said, oh, something's on here. So I spoke to
someone and they said, oh, the first female from Iceland
that has just climbed Mount Everest's due in any time.

(01:44:06):
And her name was Phil. I won't attempt to pronounce
the surname.

Speaker 6 (01:44:12):
I couldn't love.

Speaker 23 (01:44:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:44:15):
She was the first Icelandic woman to ski solo from
hercules Inlet on the Antarctic coast, also to the South
Pole on the seventeenth of January twenty and thirteen. Wow,
I'm in Mount Everest. It was her third attempt to
climate and that and I was introduced to her mother

(01:44:37):
and her and wanted to know a lot about Mount Cook.
So I spent quite a few minutes, you know, chatting
to them. So it's interesting who you're banging to people
at different airports.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Yeah, how cool. Well, thank you for being up and
sharing your story. So just to look at her last name,
it's how do you reckon? You pronounce this g I
s s u are ad t t I R Here
you go, Ibilberg Anna Gussin. I don't know why I
put a gym in.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
That was pretty good, actually, that was there that sounded
about spot on. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Diane Steve, your daughter went to base camp last year?

Speaker 15 (01:45:18):
Yes, yes, and modern and predial achievement. That was just
just to get to base camp. It was a I
think there was about eight on the on the actual trip.
Schirpers were absolutely fantastic. Couldn't have done it without them,
and then they are just absolutely fantastic people. That's what
they do for a living. Of course, she had a

(01:45:39):
little bit of altitude sickness at that height, but you know, nothing,
they had thoughts to take and what have you, and
that sort of held things together a bit, just just
being in the environment of the almost a third world country,
what they put up with there, and and the length

(01:46:00):
they have to go to get like there's no fire
with the course, so they they fire yak going I
think it is on the on the fires and keep
the fires going and what have you, and yx yx,
and they use donkeys and yax. Donkeys can only go

(01:46:20):
to a certain height and then yax can only go
from a certain heights. They can't come down below certain
altitudes otherwise they die.

Speaker 5 (01:46:29):
So it was.

Speaker 15 (01:46:30):
An incredible experience for her. And when we were sort
of just waiting for a bit of internet coverage so
she could ring us at nighttime and or whenever it
was available, and we were we were just it was
just enthralling listening to what they could do and the
fantastic people she met.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
On there, and she did she did she go into
the Nipolese side or the Tibetan side Nipolice. Oh yeah,
because I mean that's still for seventeen hundred feet up,
isn't it. That's still very high?

Speaker 15 (01:47:00):
No? No, no, it's way higher than that, way higher
than that.

Speaker 5 (01:47:04):
It's three times high.

Speaker 15 (01:47:05):
I think she was three times higher than Mount cock.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Well sevens you're talking eighteen thousand feet is very high. Yeah, yeah,
I mean that. I mean, I mean that that's incredibly high.
Eighteen thousand feet. That's where that's where the that's how
high the nippolize A base camp is. So that's right
up there. So was she ever intending to climb to
the summit or was was the trip all about base camp?

Speaker 15 (01:47:29):
No, no it was she's not a climber, she's she's
in the factress.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:47:33):
So that's all sorts of killiman Jarros next on her list.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
I think on how much did that cost for her
to get to base camp? If you don't mind me asking.

Speaker 15 (01:47:44):
I think about six and a half thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Wow, that's I mean that seems like that's and is
that what ear fears and everything.

Speaker 15 (01:47:52):
Yeah, yeah, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
So that's good money. Sure, that's got good money for
a hell of an experience, for.

Speaker 15 (01:48:00):
A for a bucket list. I mean, how many?

Speaker 5 (01:48:03):
How many people?

Speaker 11 (01:48:04):
Like I said to her at the.

Speaker 15 (01:48:04):
Time, I was in tears when I found out that
she made it, just because how many people have been
there a little we're talking a lot of people now
go to the top and one have you. But this
is Joe Boggs, little Old New Zealand decided to do
a trek with eight other people from all around the world.

Speaker 11 (01:48:22):
She was with a.

Speaker 15 (01:48:23):
German girl and a father and son from India. It
was just a pop brewery of nations and the sherpas.
There was one sherp at the two people they she said,
it was incredible the amount they can carry on their back.
They just took day packs and the sherpas took the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Yeah, wow, that's incredible, you know, eighteen thousand feet up?

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
How cool, Steve, Thank you very much mate, that's a
great glory.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Where did you say she was planning to go next.

Speaker 15 (01:48:54):
Jack, Yeah, she's off to Kilimanjaro and the well as
soon as finances allow on what have you. But that's
what she does.

Speaker 11 (01:49:07):
She's an adventuress.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
Yeah, can I thank you very much? Kilimanjaro raising like
a snake above the serrangetty.

Speaker 6 (01:49:15):
Is that part of the song?

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Good lyric Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call just before we play some messages. Text here, guys,
I've been to base camp. Unfortunately, getting to the top
of Everest is now a glorified hike for the wealthy.
No climbing has needed fixed ropes to hold on to
all the way the latters for any parts that need
actual climbing.

Speaker 6 (01:49:36):
K two is for the serious climbers, and that is
a true test.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
What I meant to say is as sure as Kilimanjaro
rises like Olympus above the cerrengettifully beautifully said you know that.
You know they had never been to Africa when they
wrote that song Toto, They're not. They painted the picture
very well, didn't they. It was just a bunch of
cliches about Africa for a song.

Speaker 6 (01:49:59):
Great song.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
As sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the serrangetti.
That's a lot of syllables to fix fit into a line.

Speaker 6 (01:50:07):
It is caughted four beattary shortly, the.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
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in between.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
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Speaker 6 (01:50:18):
They'd be afternoon too.

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
You we're talking about these four British ESAs members who
have scaled Mount Everest and they used it by or
with the help of zen on guests. So they managed
to do it in less than a week. Does that
take the shine off a little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
Hey, guys, what on earth is problem? These guys aren't
depriving anyone of anything and everyone knows what they've done.
Scuba divers use mixed gas to go depth, no difference
to is tony. Yeah, but the Nepolice government is in
vestiag because they're worried about the impacts on tourism and
sherper's livelihoods, because if people aren't over there for two months,
then you know, then then it's not so great for
their ability to earn money, and if they're climatonizing in

(01:50:53):
another country in Germany and then coming over and also
I guess the argument is that it takes away from
what it is to get to the Summit of Everest
absolutely compared to you know what our fifty third New
Zealand did go up there?

Speaker 24 (01:51:07):
Did?

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Yes, he was talking to us.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
Before, right, we speak to the sherpers and the culture
and the mountain is all part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
So in a way you can look at it, you're
kind of doping. You're kind of getting the experience. It's
kind of stolen valor. You're getting the experience of going
up the summit, but you're not doing the two months
acclimatization and risking the the you know, the sickness, and
nicely said, but you know, it's a good pointing that, Tony.
You're allot to have your opinion exactly.

Speaker 13 (01:51:34):
Jack, you met Surid, Yeah, Hi, Yeah, I met him
on quite a few occasions, and I was in Germany
work for a German company.

Speaker 5 (01:51:44):
I was always talking. I as a guest speaker here
in New Zealand for six hundred scientists from all around
the world, and they had a preference for certain hillary
so I can't take to them. I just looked up
in the frame book and he was on the frame book,
which was amazing, and so they agreed to it. This

(01:52:04):
is twelve months out. He's women un well, but yeah,
he did. He did do the presentation for us was
his last official engagement, if you like to speak. Week
Granda's house several times and met him when you'd be
watching cricket. When I went around there and I took
around about fifteen hundred books that he had written for

(01:52:25):
him to sign, and he said he'd need a few
weeks the signs. But he turned around to me and
he said, you know the biggest ones with sign jack
that most numbers were signed. He said, tens in an eye.
It signed thirty five thousand books. Wow, which you know,
but just to hear the words tens and come out
of this guy's mouth was just amazing. So it was

(01:52:48):
in christ Church, and went round to his hotel and
pick him up and where to have him back there
by half ar seven, eight o'clock, which was his bed time,
which was fair enough. Such a humble man that I
had to get the six hundred delegates all seated. He
wanted anyone seated at the back of the marquet. We
had designated room so no one could see him. And

(01:53:09):
they introduced them, and they lasked first, and they introduced
him as sertainer Hillary clind Everest in his non famous
saying he knocked the basket off.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
He knocked the bim he saying, is one of the
greatest things that's ever come out of New Zealander's mouth.

Speaker 6 (01:53:25):
Okay, well, isn't it. Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:53:27):
It is. The thing was though, the most powerful thing.
He put his head down and he put his hands
over his face, and Lady June truand me and said, Jack,
he's still embarrassed to this day. I've got that saying.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Really, wow, that's interesting when we're so proud of it
because it has such a good you know, that keywi
yessence of I knocked the bastard off and that was
the headlines around the world at the time. But what
a cool experience, Jack, Thank you very much. Right, we'll
have time for one more phone call. I think on
this one of theirs nine to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
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Speaker 6 (01:54:07):
Talks EDB, get a Michael, you go for it, my friends.

Speaker 7 (01:54:11):
I've got to rush.

Speaker 14 (01:54:12):
So I'm now eighty four.

Speaker 15 (01:54:14):
I first went up.

Speaker 7 (01:54:15):
To in the Everest region when I was sixty sixty
two years old. I fell in love with the place.
I've been over five thousand meters twelve times, and I've
only once been in a tour group. The rest of
the time is just a guide and myself and a
porter and sometimes my partner came with me. Three times.

(01:54:35):
She's been up there. But it's so incredible. If you
obey the rules, you only rise three hundred and fifty
three hundred to three fifty meters a day. Every thousand
meters you stay an extra night. I've never had altitude sickness.
And it's unbelievable getting up there. And as I says
an old man, I was last did it when I
was eighty, and it is just you've got to be

(01:55:01):
reasonably fit, of course, but you obey the rules. And yeah,
So all I can say is I fell in love
with the place. More emails from the poor up in
the mountains. I had my eightieth birthday up there for
three and a half. I can't tell you how how invigorating,

(01:55:21):
how everything, how everything.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
And the gentleman who.

Speaker 7 (01:55:26):
Said his daughter went with the group, Yes, that's great
to go on your own, and he said six thousand.

Speaker 14 (01:55:31):
If the FA is two.

Speaker 15 (01:55:33):
And a half thousand, I could do it for under
four thousand.

Speaker 6 (01:55:36):
Michael, are you phenomenal?

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
It's quite simple. The method matters and mountaineerings is a
text a pure style as solo, no assistance, no clothes,
helicopters at the other end of the spectrum. Xeon Gas
is close to the helicopter end of the spectrum, helping
someone else getting there as the shepherd do goes one
step beyond the solo experience. How good is that? Well
that brings us to the end of the show. If

(01:55:58):
you must do anything today, I think we've had some
great chats. Check out the Matt and Tyler Full Show podcast,
which will be out wherever you get your podcasts very soon.
Our good buddy hitherto for selling is up next. Thank
you so much and until tomorrow, give a toast a key.
We love you.

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