Full Show Podcast: 29 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello are you great New Zealanders And welcome to the
Metin Tyler Afternoons podcast for Friday, the twenty fifth of November,
close to ninety seventh. What is it?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Twenty eighth, twenty nine, twenty What a week? What a week?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, how could you be that far off? I know
it's twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Four, it's almost December. Yeah, that's all we need to know.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Great show today. We were talking about employment and one
hundred and eighty thousand. You can explain that when I've
forgotten it.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, Well, I mean there was some strong opinion on
some legislation that's going to take out the high earners
if they muck around in the workplace.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
And then we had a great chat about mechanics and
talk to a whole lot of people that will give
some great advice on finding a good mechanic. And then
we leaned into some Beatles songs because of the new
Mantin Scorsese documentary Fantastic, I've got Glaane on the show Around.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Cricket, New Zealander of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
You won't believe that the New Zealander of the Week is.
It's a very heartfelt one actually, and yeah really one
that I thought was important to do.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
And you got really hot on the Manawanui, really hot on.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
The believe that I cannot believe that what's happened with
the Manawinee anyway, all right, okay, give a taste of
Kiwi and have a great weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty
twenty four News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Zaid be good afternoon, welcome into the show. I show well, well,
well the cricket all of a sudden, man.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, I was just having a little word to Darcy
in the around the around the coffee area, Darcy water Grave,
and we were saying, oh look we didn't get to
three point fifty all out for three forty eight. It
was looking good. But I'll tell you what, the black
Caps have clawed it back now England forty five for three,
have got Crawley Bethel and root out.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yes boys, so boy oye boyd game on.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I was concerned because we I thought we could do
a lot better than three forty eight, especially when we
were one nine, nine for three. But you know we've
got some wickets, so game on there at Hagley Oval.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Now you're mentioning to a lot of the officers something
happened at a speaking event last night.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah. So look, I'm normally a pretty professional MC. I
do a bit of MC do the town for events,
and I pride myself on my getting the admind right
and being pretty professional. But last night, how do I
put this in front of a crowd of about seven
hundred people at the courts, I had several major cockups.

(02:53):
It was at the twenty twenty four Reseller News Innovation Awards,
which is a fantastic event and you know, celebrating excellence
in the New Zealand technology sector. Great event, great night.
Went on the stage and did what I think was
tea minutes of killer comedy at the start.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Now now the start, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Think most of my most of my jokes landed pretty well.
You know, a couple first, but you can expect that,
especially over a bit of a shotgun approach. I try
and get as many out there as possible and if
one doesn't land and the next one comes through and
hopefully people forgot about the last one. So I did that,
but I felt quite good because when you're doing one
of these MC events, that bit at the start is
the bit that you concentrate on because that's the bit

(03:35):
you speak for the most, and so you want to
get that right. And so I got that right. But
we hadn't sort of rehearsed some of the actual giving
of the awards. But so I finished my comedy comedy
people can't say, I'm doing the bunny is and then
and then I go, went pretty well, okay, I'm feeling
good about myself, and I walked off off the stage

(03:57):
and left my script up on the stage, so up
on the on the lick turn and then on and
then you know, the speaker of an outs comes on
and then they start giving up some wars and I
suddenly go, oh my god, I've got no idea what's
happening here. I don't know when I'm next back on,
and there's no sort of way to find out. I mean,

(04:18):
absolute amateur hour, and like you're thinking, no, what's happening.
But in the heat of the moment, I was completely lost.
So there was a fantastic speech and then and then
an award was given out to one of these great
New Zealanders winning an award in the New Zealand technology sector. Fantastic,
and then I go, oh my god, there was just

(04:39):
a split second gap, and I thought I'm supposed to
be speaking now. So I just rushed on stage up
to my left turn and just scroll down and started
reading my script that I thought would be the next bit.
But that was from that was from something that was
supposed to be ten minutes in the future from then,
and I was like and then everyone was looking around
at me and then and they were like no, no, no, there,

(05:04):
And so I went off the stage with my table
to my leg going oh my god, and and grabbed
the script and I was looking through it to work
up my next bit was And when I was doing that,
I was confused, for I was, and they announced it
in another award and then I came on and then
I went, okay, right now, this is the point. I
went on stage and came on the stage and tried
to do it again, and they're like no, they were like, no,

(05:24):
not yet, and and so I went off again with
my table between my legs, and then the third time
I got the piece of ADMIN out at the right time.
But then then then I was in free fall. After that,
I got a couple of names wrong. After that, it
was but it was such a such a great event,
and the audience and the organizers were fantastic, and they
you know, they were very under understanding of it, and

(05:47):
and and you know, there's a there's an adage in
an m C work, anything that weird, weird happens, then
you use it as your material going forward. So I
attempted to to you know, lean into it and you know,
accept my mistakes and try and move forward.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
But it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
But yeah, there's nothing quite like steaming on stage and
reading the wrong bit of admin, the wrong bit of introducting,
introducing the wrong person someone from fifteen minutes into the future,
that's what that's That's humilating enough. But then to do
it again, Yeah, and yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Third times a charm though they will remember that. You know,
we talked about experiences yesterday. That's an experience for all
those in attendance.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well I shouldn't said that, because I woke up this
morning and I was thinking about the psychological technique that
people talk about, the spotlight technique, and it's very important
to you that you make a mistake. But other people
are just living their own lives and they've got more
things to worry about. So I wake up this morning
and thought the exact opposite Tyler, and that made me
feel good. I was like, no one will care, No
one will remember it the next year.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
They want that.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
But now you're now you're saying they'll remember it. So
I don't know, but you would. I mean good, if
there'd been like some kind of shovel or something, I
could have dug a hole or I don't know I
could have I don't know what I could have done.
I was I was kind of planning, just bolting for
the door, like a run for it. No that it
was a great, great event. Twenty twenty four Reselling US
Innovation Awards. A great, great group of people, great great sector.

(07:07):
And yeah, the organized and the reselling news.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Great people love it. Beautiful story. Right on to the show.
After three o'clock. Because it is Friday, we always finish
the show with topical tunes. This is where Matt and
I each pick a song related to a story of
the week. The first three votes via phone takes it out.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, that's right, it's currently five to two in my favor,
looking forward to going up three five against you. We've
also got the New Zealander of the Week that we
announce on a Friday. Very excited about that. Who will it.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Be big week this week for New Zealander or the
week after two o'clock. How to not get ripped off
by a mechanic. And this is just on the back
of my own experience of needing to take my brand
new vehicle into an authorized mechanic to get its two
yearly check. And I know they are going to fleece me,
Absolutely fleece me. It's kind of part of the warranty deal.
But whether you've got a warranty or not, it is

(07:59):
pretty hard to find a mechanic you can trust, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah? And even if you do, you don't know, you know,
you always live in the sort of gray area where
you go to pay and you did that need to
be done? Did that not need to be done? And
I always think and look, I've had these experiences with
the big brand car dealer service centers right yeah, where
you where you buy a car and then it gets
serviced one year later and they're doing all the stuff
and you go, well, hang on a minute, mate, didn't

(08:25):
you just sell me this car? In fact, I had this.
I had a word with them. I said, when you
were selling me this brand new car, you said it
was wicked. And now you're doing a bunch of service
one services one year in that you want to charge
me for you live in this gray area And I
don't know. I mean you would you would hope that
the big brand car dealer service centers are the ones

(08:46):
that you could trust the most, But I feel like
they're the ones that charge you the most.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, the upsell isn't it. It's the mechanic up cell
And you don't know that you've been upsold until you
see the we list and thinking I really need that.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
And if you're like me and you're pretty dumb when
it comes to cars, you were right for the for
the for the plucking and and then yeah, so if
you try to try and take it away from it there,
and you know, once your car's you know, out of
its service time, then how do you know what's a
good mechanic to go to?

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
You know if I'm looking for one.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
If you are a mechanic, we'd love to chat you
after two o'clock, But right now we want to have
a talk about a new bill that potentially may make
it into legislation. So the government plans to prevent New
Zealand's highest earners from being able to make unjustified dismissal claims.
The policy was part of the Act National Coalition Agreements
and will now be introduced to Parliament next year. So
threshold is one hundred and eighty thousand dollars per year.

(09:42):
Anyone earning above that would be unable to raise an
unjustified dismissal claim if the law comes into effect. Workplans
Relations Safety Minister Brook van Velden said the move will
enable employers to ensure they have the right fit for
their high impact leadership and specialist roles.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah. So I imagine most of us out there have
worked under a manager that we've thought this person isn't
up to it. And companies are probably thinking the same
thing about managers that they've they've brought someone in and
they are now making the company less productive when their
whole job is to make it more productive and they
can have an outsized effect on the company, can't they

(10:19):
a super management position? And so you're paying them one
hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year or above, and
they're making things worse and it takes ages and ages
to get rid of them. So yeah, we would like
to hear and look, you can word it in such
a way as we don't know who exactly you're talking about.
We could even use pseudonyms for these calls. We love
a pseudonym, or you could talk about managers in the past.

(10:40):
But it'll be interesting to hear from about bad experiences
with managers and good experiences with managers and whether you
agree with this that the managers should be easier to
move on if they're not not working out.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. And if you're an employer as well, will
this help you take more of a punt. If you've
got someone who is a good operator on the ground
floor you want to move them into a manager position,
does this give you more confidence that you can do
that and if it doesn't work out, then it's easier
to move them onll.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine
two is the text number. I would say that I'm
your manager, tyler, how do you think I'm going if we're.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Going to move you on soon. It's sixteen past one.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons You
for twenty twenty four used talk sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
We're talking about this new bill that will be introduced
to Parliament next year. So a threshold of one hundred
and eighty thousand dollars per year would be set. Anyone
earning above that would be unable to raise an unjustified
dismissal claim if the law came into effect. The Minister
in charge of Workplace Relations and Safety is Brooke van Veldrin.
She says the move will enable employers to ensure they

(11:52):
have the right fit for their high impact leadership and
specialist role. She went on to say the policy is
about offering workers and employers more choice when negotiating contracts.
Employers and employees are free to opt back into injustified
dismissal protection if they choose to negotiate their own proceed
but it is a big one. I mean, if you
are a high earner at one hundred and eighty thousand dollars,

(12:13):
that is a fairly risky position for you to be in.
That if you get bumped up into that menagerial role
and you know, if it doesn't quite pan out, that
you can be shuffled back to your old position or
indeed out of the company.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah. Well, I mean, so if you promote someone to
a managerial role and they don't succeed there, are you
then were you gonna put them back down in the company.
I think they'll be out.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
They're be out the door, right, Yeah, well, education gives
them that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you're not gonna put them
back down again. What you might I don't know, But
it does seem like, you know, as I said before,
managers have an outsized effect on the company. I mean,
you know, just by the amount of people that they
affect in their in their daily operation. But I guess
the upside is it for people that are lower down
in the chain, as that management would give you a
go yeah, because the risks aren't so high, you know,

(12:59):
rather than bringing someone in who has you know, who's
outside the company but has a better CV. But they
might look at you and go or you work here,
you know, the company, but we don't know how you're
going to go in a management role, so we'll give
you a go, and that's not a big risk for us.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, just in general, do you think it is too
hard to get rid of a bad employee? And that
doesn't have to be at the one hundred and eighty
K level. I'm talking about employees in general, because an
employer kind of has to take a punt when they
take somebody on, right. Yeah, and then as I understand
it that I've never employed anybody, but I know roughly
what the process is like to try and go down
the step of disciplinary processes. Unless it's grievous misconduct, it

(13:37):
is quite tricky, right, There's a big process to go through.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah. I mean they go through it that can spend
years on it.

Speaker 7 (13:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Look, I don't know. I guess there's two sides of
the story. There isn't there. So you know, in other
countries it's very easy to fire someone. You just get
rid of someone if they're not working out. Yeah, and
that means that, you know, there's more flow between jobs.
You can go between jobs more easily, I guess. But
on the other hand, you know, you can just have

(14:04):
someone that fires you because they're in a bad mood
that day.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, exactly. Plenty of great teachs coming through this. One says,
why should high earners have less rights than people who
earn less than one hundred and eighty k. They could
still be subject to bullying or you know, an appropriate
behavior where they have been unjustly dismissed, and if the
law gets brought in, they won't have a leg to
stand on. And that to me doesn't sound fair.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, I guess the logic of that is that the
higher employee, you know, the higher paid people and people
that have put in management roles, have a bigger effect
on the company. So you can have a longer period
of things just not working. If you've got a department,
you put someone an area in your company, you put
someone in management, and they're just not working, and they
have to stay there because you can't get rid of

(14:47):
them for whatever reason, or you have to spend a
long time getting rid of them. That does a lot
more damage than arguably one of the lower, lower responsibility workers.
So everyone could suffer and potentially everyone could lose their
jobs because there's the one person that's supposed to be
leading people isn't getting it right. That's the logic of it, right.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, And just when it comes to employees in general,
and I can't name names here, but it's someone that
I know very well ran a hairdresser business and one
of the employees was suspected of stealing from the business.
So they fired that employee under gross misconduct. That employee
talk of personal grievance, and this person who owned the company,

(15:30):
the hairdresser had to pay that employee thirty thousand dollars
they won the PG. So, I mean it can be
a little bit one sided when it comes to employers
in those situations. DJ, how do you feel about this
particular legislation.

Speaker 8 (15:44):
Look, I have not read the legislation or know more
about pretty much what I've heard just now on the radio.
If it's just for management position, probably makes sense. But
other than that, you know, it's quite unfair because most
engeneers get paid more than other than.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
EDI key most most engineers, Yes.

Speaker 8 (16:04):
Yet engineers more stoppers get paid more than than edi K.
You doing that scenario, then it does become quite unfair.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, So you think just because you're a high earner,
it doesn't necessarily mean that you should lose your rights
to to take a personal grievance or to defend an
unjustified dismissal.

Speaker 8 (16:25):
Well, yes, one hundred percent, But I think there needs
to be a lot more detail. It can't just be
the income threshold, because, like I said, pretty much all
the engineers I know get paid more than one hundred
and edy k. Some of the guys that who work
for our company, they're well of one hundred dollars an hour,
one hundred and twenty dollars an hour. M.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it does seem a little bit,
you know, just one hundred and eighty k thing seems
a little bit of a sort of blunt tool on it,
doesn't it. Yeah, because you can be working getting a
hundred and eighty K and not be in a management
position M.

Speaker 9 (16:57):
Yeah, yes, of course.

Speaker 8 (16:59):
And yeah, and then you know what do you do?
Then you lose even more talent out of New Zealand
just because of this.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, I mean, just just in general, DJ, because we've
been talking about employees in general, and the process an
employee has to go through to get rid of an
employee if they are poor performers or bad for the company.
Do you think that legislation is right in New Zealand?
Because made the good point there are many countries around
the world that we compare ourselves to that have a
far easier process to get rid of someone who is

(17:29):
not doing good things for the company.

Speaker 8 (17:32):
Look at one time, so I have my own business
own and we do employ people, but we don't have
that much issues because most of people who work for
us are well above sixty five dollars an hour and
they are to really get them for their skill. So
we've never generally have issues that you have to hire
or fire them just move on themselves when they get
hired income. But I at one point in my life,

(17:54):
about ten years ago, I do you still run a
company where we did have people who you who were
starting in their careers at minimum wage or slightly above.
And yes, it is a little bit difficult, but I
would say it's difficult in more the sense of admin
that you do have to go through the whole process.

(18:16):
You know, give them verbal notice, give them ridden notice
to retrain them, and by the time you've done that,
there's just a lot more admin work that you have
to do, Yeah, before you can fairly terminate them.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
DJ thank you very much, very interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Good text here nineteen nine two. Hi guys, my company
collapsed because we're able to get rid of a bad manager.
I mean, that's the that's the risk, isn't it. So
it's so hard to get rid of someone. So the
company just limps along as they're trying to find a
way to get rid of this person and puts everyone's
job at risk.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love
to hear from you if you've ever had a bad manager,
what happened in that situation? And do we need a
legislation like this to move them aside if they are
not doing good things for the company or indeed are
a bit toxic for the wider team. It is twenty
six past one.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Putting the tough questions, the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (19:10):
So the government did release the COVID report, despite any
number of indications they were not going to.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Still it make a job of difference next time round.

Speaker 10 (19:16):
Former Treasury Secretary, National Health Board member in New Zealand
Initiative senior fellow these days, Doctor Murray horns with us,
if this was it, in other words, we weren't doing
phase two?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Is it comprehensive enough?

Speaker 11 (19:26):
I don't think so. My view of it is quite
a generous assessment of what went on, and I think
this is a couple of really big points. The first
point I would make is that it doesn't really pick
up the fact that the damaged done to the economy
and took people's trust in government and so on and
so on was more serious than it needed to be.

Speaker 10 (19:44):
Back Monday, from six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
made these real Estates news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
News Talk ZB twenty nine past one.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah. I think we didn't maybe make this clear enough
and this text has helped out here on this new
suggestion around the government's plans to prevent top earners making
unjustified dismissal claims. Key point here Matt and Taylor Tyler
is that new rule is for pgs against unjustified dismissal,
which is basically not doing your job as expected. This
is quite separate from pgs such as bullying et cetera,

(20:13):
as raised by earlier texts. Those rights haven't been removed.
That's from Sean. Thank you for that clarification. I blame
you Tyler for not making that clear before.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
No, I know that is good to clarify that. Plenty
of good texts coming through on nine two ninety two.
One hundred percent support this possible new legislation where one
hundred and eighty thousand dollars. Look at the many people
who have run public institutions getting paid exorbitant money, then

(20:41):
stuff up the organization that they are running, sickening guys.
I disagree strongly with removing protections for staff over one
hundred eighty thousand dollars for starters, the threshold is too low.
If employers want to dismiss without cause, they can agree
that in their contract. Sure it will cost, but if
they want the option, it should be paid for.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Now it's another interesting question. Is there any one any employee?
And this is the whole thing about not being friends, right,
you know, that's that old adage that they're not friends.
But how I mean, they are the focus of your complaints.
So often you'll be in a workplace and I've been
a number of workplaces where I've got I thought the
manager has been quite good. But all people do all

(21:23):
day every day is say the reason why things aren't
working out is because of the manager. And that could
be just because they're not not liking their decisions. So
you know, like our management here exemplary.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, very good, very very good.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Very very very good management here, much beast in the
country at the matin Tyler afternoons on z be incredible management.
But you know what I'm saying, from underneath you often
because you will think that that we can do the
job better. You know, you always think you can, and
you always look and go, this is wrong. Sometimes you
don't know the whole picture. Yeah, but I guess you.

(21:59):
I guess if you are the level above that, then
you see the exact results and you know. But then
again there's the other part of it, which is cronyism,
where you'll be working in a company and you'll have
a really poor manager, but they're really good friends with
the people above them. And there are people and companies
that don't swim with the company going forward. They're not
all swimming in the direction. And people will have worked

(22:19):
with these people before and look, we love your stories.
You can use a different name and you don't have
to reveal exactly who you are. But there is these
people and companies that are very good at moving up
within the company because they're very good at managing up,
really good at managing relationships. Terrible at managing down and
maybe don't get the results. So you know, they're great

(22:43):
at making the person above them feel like everything's going
well and reporting up and blaming everything down.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
But just on that question about can you ever be
mates worth a manager? What's your take on that. I
think you can and I have been. I have been
pretty good friends with a lot of my managers.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean absolutely I have as well,
one hundred percent. But from the managerial perspective, that's another question,
isn't it Whether you are where you can't expect them
to love you. Otherwise you get in the office situation
where where the manager, you know, the David Brent or
the Michael Scott, Yes, thinks that they're they're everyone's best friend,

(23:22):
when they're not, because there's a certain amount of complaining
that needs to be done about the manager from the
people below them. Yeah, except that that's just how the
politics of an office works. It doesn't mean the people
below are right, and so is a very very very
complex issue.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
After the headlines, We're going to have a chat with
Gareth abdenor an employment Laura about this potential legislation. It
is twenty seven to two.

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(24:13):
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(24:35):
study in the New Zealand Medical Journal reveals more than
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Speaker 3 (25:13):
Thank you very much, Susane. We are talking about government
plans to prevent top earners making unjustified dismissal claims. The
legislation will be introduced to Parliament next year. To have
a chat about this, we're joined by Gareth Abdenor. He
is the director and founder of ab Donor Employment Law. Gareth, mate,
nice to chet again.

Speaker 13 (25:35):
Oh it's lovely to be here.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
So Gareth, what exactly can you explain what they mean
by unjustified dismissal in this case?

Speaker 13 (25:44):
Yeah, so very very interesting policy. And essentially what I
understand the proposal to be is that employees can still
raise a claim for being treated unfairly, but they can't
raise a claim for being unfairly dismissed in a similar

(26:07):
way to the ninety day trial period. And so someone
dismissed under the ninety day trial period could still raise
a claim for breach of good faith or being disadvantaged,
but not for the dismissal itself.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Right, And what are the advantages of making it easier
to get rid of poor management?

Speaker 13 (26:27):
Yeah? Again, very interesting because it creates this two tier system.
And the arguments that I've heard are that it makes
it easier to move on someone who doesn't have the
chops for the job.

Speaker 14 (26:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (26:44):
So, you know, in much the same way that the
ninety day trial periods being justified, it lets employers give
someone a go. Now, while I think that's really convincing
for the ninety day trial period, I think it's a
bit of a posh for this artificial cap of one
hundred and eighty k. You know, why can you not

(27:08):
under fairly dismiss someone earning one hundred and seventy nine
As soon as they earn an extra thousand dollars, you
can sack them without consequences. It seems a bit strange
to me.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
So would you bet? Would it be better? And I'm
not sure if this is possible, but would it be
better if it was defined as people in managerial roles?
Because there's people in earning one hundred and eighty k engineers,
As a caller said, just before can be earning over
one hundred and eighty k, but they're not in a
managerial role.

Speaker 13 (27:37):
Yeah, I mean that's certainly an interesting idea. I think
the difficulty would be in implementing that. I think from
my perspective being boots on the ground dealing with these
claims day in day out, this proposed change I think
signals the fact that the pendulums perhaps swung too far

(28:00):
to one one end. The grievance industry has been created,
and this is one way of trying to peg that back.
I think it's a bit artificial, though, and what would
be better would be to actually give better compensation to

(28:21):
people who've really been treated poorly and stop this industry
where anyone who's dismissed knows that if they raise a claim,
it's going to be more cost effective for the employer
to pay them five grand rather than defend it.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
So, in your expertise, Gareth, you talk about the grievance industry.
Is that more of a problem at the upper end.
Is this legislation would target or is that a problem
across the board.

Speaker 13 (28:51):
I think it's a problem across the board, and in fact,
I think it's more of a problem on people on
more moderate incomes. You know, when we're dealing with people
on high salaries, often they are more alive to the
fact that if they don't actually sit in the role

(29:13):
and they're not performing in the role, they're going to
get moved on anyway. And so I think there's often
a higher level of pragmatism for those sorts of employees.
The grievance industry, you know, the no winnow fee type
arrangement is often more people on modest incomes.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
So currently, right now, so you've got a company and
you've hired someone and they're proving to be such a
bad manager that you can see that your company is
in trouble. What are the options for the people up
the chain now to deal with that situation if they
see their company rotting out from underneath them because of
a bad management choice.

Speaker 13 (29:58):
Yeah, and that's a great question, and the options aren't
really great. You know, you can go down the performance
management track, which takes time, takes money, and is not
without risk. Or you can go through a restructure, which
is often artificial and done to achieve the desired purpose,

(30:24):
but you know, you have to effectively go through a charade.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
Or.

Speaker 13 (30:31):
You have an honest conversation, and sometimes that works, and
sometimes you get flapped with acclaim. Of course, you know,
someone who's not performing and is having an impact on
the business isn't restricted to managers, and we often see
it with any sort of role that has interaction with

(30:52):
your clients. And so that's why I think this it's
not necessarily a bad idea, but it's somewhat artificial because
it sets up this two tiered structure. Why should someone
be treated unfairly or not have a fear process simply
because they're on a higher income.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
So when you talk about this sort of unjustified there,
when you talk about the unjustified dismissals part of it.
So if a boss came in and they had enough
of the manager, would this enable the you know Hollywood
movie style coming in, you're fired, get out, you know
you're out today? You know it without enable that.

Speaker 13 (31:35):
Well, it's interesting to see because we haven't actually seen
the draft legislation yet.

Speaker 15 (31:40):
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 13 (31:44):
I expect that it wouldn't allow that to happen, and
it would simply be that more lassitude is given to
employers dealing with these high income earners.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
I think the.

Speaker 13 (31:58):
Devil is going to be in the detail.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Really, yes, isn't it. But I guess the the the
plus side of it is that if you are in
a company and you're you know, you're spending a long
time and you know the company really well, and then
instead of taking a risk on you to put you
in management because they're not going to sure how it
turns out, they're going to bring someone from outside of
the company that has a better CV. So, you know,
for someone that's been working a long time in a

(32:20):
company shows what they're worth, this might be an easier
path up for you to prove yourself.

Speaker 13 (32:25):
Oh, definitely, definitely, And we've seen that with the reintroduction
of the ninety day trial periods. Certainly employers that I
work with are more open to giving someone a go,
taking a chance on them because there's less at risk,
and that will likely be the case for more senior

(32:47):
people as well. I guess the one thing that I
found really interesting about the discussions over this proposed change
is that parties will still be able to agree to
have protections in their poment agreements.

Speaker 15 (33:05):
And so, you know, if.

Speaker 13 (33:07):
You're running a company and you really want to hire
a rock star with a great reputation. I wouldn't be
surprised if that rock star made it a requirement, if
there were protections in the employment agreement. But if you're
if you're not a charging.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
If you're not a rock star, you you might be
limiting your chance of getting the promotion if you insist
on that clause.

Speaker 15 (33:33):
Definitely, because you're kind of saying, really good point.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
You're kind of saying, you're kind of saying, there's a
chance I might be rubbish.

Speaker 16 (33:41):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Well, Gareth, if this comes in, you're going to be
a busy man, that's for sure.

Speaker 15 (33:47):
Oh yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Interesting time, Yeah, yeah, it is always good to chat.
Thank you very much, Thanks a lot of guys. That
is Gareth abdenor the founder and director of abdenaor Employment Law.
We're going to pick this back up very shortly. Oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is a quarter two fourteen to two.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty eight. Matt Eath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
They'd be her hot topic here. We're getting the text
machine is exploding on nine two ninety two. We're taking
calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty as well. Afternoon, guys,
interesting talk where the employer on managers. Personally, I would
not consider employing a manager who didn't negotiate that clause
out of their employment contract. You employ these people to
manage their department or company, and as such there will

(34:39):
be a fair amount of negotiations in the day to
day business. If they couldn't negotiate their employment contract to
benefit themselves, I doubt they could negotiate anything to benefit
the company. Tears from Justine. So that's the opposite one
of what I was saying. I was saying, if you
were about to promote someone's manager and they said that
they wanted to include the that they cannot be they

(34:59):
include this clause of un justified dismissible, I would take
it that they're saying that they might turn out to
be rubbish. But justin he is saying the opposite. He
was saying, would prove that they are paid negotiation.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Chris, what's your take on this? Hey, President guys? Helloah,
you got you got Chris.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Since this government came to office, one of its main
considerations has been target setting and expectations. The government is
probably one of the largest employers in the country, and
I believe that this is a way of getting rid

(35:44):
or changing senior positions within many, many government departments. I
don't think it's really aimed at the private company. Yeah,
if you have a manager who has been in position
for ten or fifteen years, they've become stale, they've become

(36:07):
can't be they're not doing the job properly. They've been
in the job a long time. The difficult to get.

Speaker 8 (36:14):
Rid of them.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, it's not aimed at the new.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Person, and now we've chosen.

Speaker 9 (36:19):
The right person.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
It's ed at the person who is no longer doing
the job.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
So, Chris, you see a situation where this comes in.
So you see a situation where Chris with this comes
in and then suddenly it's the government unleashing that on
the public sector.

Speaker 17 (36:37):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
I think if you've got some look at the number
of what do they call it a golden parachute.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Yeah, they move a CEO on and then they give
him millions and millions of dollars just to leave. They
won't have to do that.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, And if you're trying to make savings in the
public sector, they also always get pained on how much
they've had to spend to get rid of the people
to make those savings.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
So if you want to make savings, but you spend
a whole lot of money dealing with the management that
you're getting rid of, then you haven't made many great
savings for a number of years.

Speaker 17 (37:13):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, there's the government making the rule, so the government
can move people on and put new people in to
achieve the targets that they are going to set.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yep. Nicely spotted Chris. And as Chris said, I don't
think there would be a bad thing, Matt. You know,
we know that there are some senior managers and public
sectors who are pretty much welded to the desk, very
very difficult to get rid of them. They're kind of
just an autopilot mode. They're making bad decisions. I don't
really care. They're just there for the paycheck. We know
that's the case and some of the public sectors. So

(37:48):
if this makes it easier for them to get rid
of the dead wood, I mean, that's surely a good
thing for all of us, right.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, and for those listeners that have come over from
radio Joaki here to the show. No, that wasn't the
butter conditioner guy. That butter conditioner guy. My favorite caller
ever is Alan, but a very very similar accent, beautiful
accident that Chris has.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
To get Allen on the show, don't we Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? It
is seven to two.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on OH eight
hundred eighty ten eighty Mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
News Talks.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
That'd be right, good chat. It is five to two
after two o'clock. Let's talk about mechanics. How do you
find a mechanic that you hope is not going to
upsell you, perhaps rip you off. I'm in a situation
now where I know I've got to take my car,
it's a new car, to an authorized service center, and
I know they're going to rent me for everything I'm worth.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
It seems like the big brand car dealer service centers
are the most expensive way to get your car looked at. Yeah,
but how do you find a mechanic you trust? And
how do you know when your service center has overcharged you?
If you're an absolute automotive idiot like me.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. This is going to
be a great chat. Nine two nine two is the
text number. New Sport and Weather on its way. Do
we want to cricket update on the cricket.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, England fifty eight for three. We were all out
for three hundred and forty eight. So please England currently
trailed by two ninety.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Get the boys. It is forty two.

Speaker 18 (39:20):
Man, I can remember the plan makes me some Canada superman.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty
four News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Be good, afternoon, Happy Friday, seven past two. Grant to
have your company as always in a good chat last hour,
but we're gonna change it up over the next fifteen
minutes or so. We want to talk about mechanics. Now,
this is on the back of I need to take
my vehicle to an authorized service center to get it,
give it, give it a service. But I know that

(40:36):
they are going to absolutely fleece me. I know that
they're going there's gonna be new windscreen wipers, new air filters,
They're going to do stuff to the battery, and I
know it doesn't need it because it's only two years old,
but we want to have a chat about how you
avoid getting ripped off by your mechanic, because it's not
just when you take them for a service, it's also
when you take them for warren of fitness. And when

(40:56):
I was driving around on Lemons that I did for
many years, I would take it to one particular garage
and they would pick up everything, faded seatbouts, your tires
are pretty much out of tread. There was enough tread
there to keep them going, but one garage said, note,
you're going to need four new tires. Then take it
to another separate garage and say, oh good.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
That used to be the way you could do it.
But then they shut that down. They shut it down,
so you have to go back to the same garage. Yeah,
VT and Z. You go through VT and Z for
your warrant if you are really really back your car,
because because they're very thorough, very start thorough there. I
mean I got I got paid for having faded seat belts.

(41:39):
Once my seat belts were faded.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
See and there's that.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, well, I mean I guess that'd argue. Maybe they
were they had lost their integrity or something. But I
was like, come on, man, come on, just give it
to me, you know. But yeah, I mean if you
if you are car stupid like I am, and a.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
You cart stupid Tyler, certainly am.

Speaker 11 (41:56):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, I mean I don't know anything about them, and
that makes me feel less of a man one hundred percent.
I admit that I wish I knew cars, but you
are just going and blind. And like these big brown
car dealer service centers. I take my car to is
one particular one, and I am shocked and disgusted by
how much they charge. And my partner took her car

(42:17):
into one of these big brand service centers, and her
brother knows a little bit about cars, and then we
just took the list of what they were getting her,
charging her it's going to be fifteen hundred dollars on
a car that she'd bought that we bought off the
service center, and we just sent her brother in and
he went through the list and he ripped them an
absolute new one to the point where the price came

(42:38):
down by one thousand dollars. And so when you know
that that is happening, I mean, we're suckers. People. Like
you and me, we're out there, we're taking it and
they could just give us a list and say that's
important and we'll do it. But it could it be.
And I'd also like to hear from people that have
worked in these big brand car dealer service centers. Is
there a I mean, surely there can't be an incentive

(43:01):
or there can't be a structural setup to rip you
off because they would get pinged. They can't be going, look,
we're looking this is an idiot that's come in here.
We're looking to get as much money off them as
we can, because why would the individual mechanics go through
that and do that? But it seems like they do.
Am I just being naive? But I've taken my car
to get serviced and it's like, so my car is

(43:24):
twenty nineteen is when I bought that car, and the
second service was like fifteen hundred. That was sixteen hundred
dollars exactly, And I'm like, what kind of rubbish car
have you sold me?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
And it's always for the second service. It doesn't matter
how much you've driven the car, it always cost you
an arm and a leg. And I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, and so you sort of tied in warranty reasons
to go to the to the car dealership you bought
it from for a while, if I understand it. But
then once you get out of that, you know, you've
always got a friend and take it to my guy,
my guy, and then you take it to his guy,
and his guy is like four hundred bucks and or
two hundred. But it just gets it done, you know.

(44:05):
But if you don't have that guy, you haven't had that.
If that person doesn't know that guy, and then that
guy doesn't introduce you to that guy. I mean, it's
just a it's a terrifying position to be in being
a car idiot.

Speaker 11 (44:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
But just going back to when they changed the rules,
I mean, to me that was unfair is that I
was driving around in a mis and Corolla and took
it into this particular shop I'm not going to name
the name, and then they came back and said, hate
to break it to you, but it's probably going to
cost more to fix this, to get a warn of
fitness than the car is actually worth. And that devastated
me as a student. So I took that away, how
to think about it, then took it to another garage

(44:39):
and a lot of the stuff the first garage picked
up just was not picked up by the second garage.
And to me, that's shopping around. You know, clearly they're
all looking at the same legislation, but ken to hear
your experiences when it comes to the mechanic. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
How do you confirm that you're going to a good
mechanic And how do you check up on the big
service centers and make sure that they're not rinsing every
cent out of your idiotic.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Yeah. A couple of teachs come in. I mean we
I did state up the front that I know nothing
about cars and nothing and this and Corolla yeah, quite right,
and Toyota Corolla.

Speaker 18 (45:16):
Hens.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
I've made my point that I'm going to get absolutely
written by.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
You go into a mechanic and say, do you look
after my Nissan Corolla for me?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Is that right? We're taking this guy for all his worth.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
I do this kind of song and dance kind of
routine where I sort of, you know, whack the bonnet
and act like I know what I'm talking about, you know,
in our eyes, bring up a few points to try
and make it sound like I'm not an idiot, but
probably reveal I am more than than if I just
be quiet.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is twelve past two.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
You're on new home of Afternoon Tour maton Taylor Adams
Afternoon Call.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
News Talk said, be it is a quarter past to
a quick cricket update.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, England seventy one for four, so we've currently got
brook and Pope batting Brooklyn twelve, Pope on a zero
a R because currently one for seventeen. So New Zealand
we're all out for three forty eight. England seventy one
for four, so well that you'd say advantage New Zealand.

Speaker 19 (46:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Boys, No, we have been chatting about mechanics.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, and you've been absolutely rinsed here. Nisan Corolla definitely
sounds like you know nothing, Tyler. You're definitely getting charged
eighty dollars to top up your indicator fluid.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
No, that's looking good, the indicator fluid. I need to
top that up.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Someone makes a really good point about VT and Z
because I've always I come from, you know, back in
the day, having absolutely rubbish cars, and so I didn't
like VT and Z because they would find out what
was actually wrong, and I wanted to go to someone
that would let some things past. But someone does point
out that VT and Z don't do repairs, so they
don't really have any skin in the game as far
as finding something that's wrong for them to fix.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah, they can't get any money from that. Yeah, Greg,
what's your view on how to find the best mechanic?

Speaker 20 (47:06):
Example, I bought a v percent hand off a guy,
and I see someone like, well, it wasn't so cheap
because it was like mint and it was about four
years old to because it needs a Cambell doing it
the next service. So when the next service came around,
I rang the dealership and I rang a couple of
other people. The difference in costs was bare all. So
I decided to go to the dealer. It was going
to be twelve hundred and seventy four dollars. I remember,

(47:27):
it's clear as bell or I took it and to
get it done. And I went and the guy said, oh,
it'll only be there if it's a genuine part. It'll
be seventeen hundred and ninety dolline dollars or sixteen if
it's not a genuine part. And I thought, here we go.
He's in the car already, and I said, here we go.
And so I went out to the car and I
looked through the service book and the guy that had
bought the car had bought it off this dealership, and

(47:49):
it had been serviced there religiously by this S dealership.
So I went back into the thing and I said,
it'll be twelve seventy four, so we don't know that.
And I said, well, if you don't know that, you
better have a look at this book because it's been
only service to hear by you people and never looked
by anybody else. So if it's not got a genuine
part on, you've either ripped the guy off before or
you're going to rip me off. So woww to be

(48:10):
twelve seventy four. And I just I just as soon
as they said it, I just knew exactly what was
going to happen, you know, and I just loook to myself.
I was pretty annoyed, and I thought I won't even
go back to that crowd, but I had to when
the handbrake failed on it, and I just head ele
trying to handbrake and that cost me about five hundred
bucks for a switch, and I was quite annoyed about that.

(48:32):
And I just think to myself, now I don't go
to you know, don't go to a dealer at all.
I just take it to my local garage to get
a set. I still got that car set a second
cam belt in three hundred thousand k's. Wow, everybody in
the work, everybody in the world's driven. It's still a
beautiful car. It's not worth anything until you keep it.
You know, It's like it's genuinely a beautiful car. It's

(48:54):
lovely to drive. It's a Diesel ten and disil. I
get on a good trip, I get four point six
leaders per one hundred k. I get about fifteen hundred
k's out of a tank if I try hard. And
I just love it. And I don't drive that car
at all anymore. Just you're not getting used. So I
learned it to my nephew. My son's had it, my
daughter's had it, and it's just worth nothing. So we
keep it as a second car for anybody to use.

(49:16):
And it isn't just a beautiful car. And I'll probably
end up doing a third cambout in another sixty thousand case.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
The thing with that, though, Greg is you're smart and
you went back and you looked at that service record
and you checked up on them. Well, the problem is
that that a lot of people aren't smart like you,
including myself. I wouldn't have thought to do that. No,
that's brilliant. But also, you know, the other side of
it is, is that structural within that dealer that they're

(49:41):
going to try that on? And why would the individual
mechanic try that on because you know, you imagine that
they're employed in the dealership. You imagine that that there's
levels of management, So that would seem that that is
systemic in that company to try it on with the
cambout I would.

Speaker 20 (49:58):
Say so because the same car, the same people. I
ended up taking sixty two dollars in cash in to
them after they said they'd do something for nothing and
said you'll never get another dollar out of the in
my life.

Speaker 13 (50:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (50:10):
I got neared him again.

Speaker 20 (50:11):
Yeah, never go and need him again, because you know,
we had an agreement. And I pulled the service manage
over and the guy that was the two people that
are involved, and I said, you and I had an agreement.
Oh no, that wasn't that. I said, well, let's put
it this way. I'm not stupid. I remember what I remember,
and I know the conversation, and you guys are sitting
there bullshitting me, and he's the sixty two bucks, which

(50:32):
I don't want to And then they said do you
want a receipt? And I said, you're not listening, are you.
I said, you'll never get another cent of me as
long as I live. I don't need a receipt. I
just walked out the door and I genuinely have never
been back to them.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Now, how did you How did you find the local
mechanic you go to now? And how did you How
did you know that you could trust them?

Speaker 21 (50:53):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (50:54):
Through through mates.

Speaker 14 (50:55):
They sent me there.

Speaker 20 (50:56):
He's a friend of a friend of a friend sort
of thing, and then they started business. I'm good support.
The biggest problem that I've got now is booking there,
and they're so busy. It's two weeks away, and that
doesn't always work for me. So that's a good problem
to have, not a bad problem. And then over the
years with certain things, my son had an old BMW

(51:17):
M three which cost a fortune to get fixed.

Speaker 17 (51:20):
Every time it.

Speaker 20 (51:20):
Breaked down, and every time it was a warrant, it
was another three or four thousand dollars. I'd take it
an air. And I said, look, because it wasn't a
daily driver car, hobby car, I said to one time
it needed a clutch and something doing. I said, just
when you get time and your time, can you do
that for me? If you're not busy, you can have
it for a month if you need it. And of
course that cost me less than a thousand dollars instead

(51:42):
of two thousand dollars, because when they went busy, they
filled their time in on that and they did have
the car for three or four weeks. But I didn't
mind that because it saved your money. So that's worked
out quite well, except for when I do need something
doing and I rang up in a book and I
actually not till after Christmas sort of thing, you know, Okay,
But I mean I don't mind that.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
You said, I guess if you're if you're a good,
honest mechanic, then you're going to get a lot of business,
aren't you.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah, you need to have the family mechanic, like the
family doctor. Really, isn't it. That's what it's going to
be that's what I think. This is like, yeah, yeah,
but that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Like, so when you took to these sort of big
brand car dealership service centers, you would take them there
because you feel like they are you know, they they
should be trusted.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
But they've got a brand protect They're.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Not just a garage down a side street. These guys
have got big, big, big flash. They've got the name
of the car that you bought on there, so you
trust them, and then and then they they absolutely pin
you and you start to think, well, you know, part
of their selling you the car because you go and
buy the car they talk about an amazing carriacter is
And this is what I said in my second service
of my car. I was like, well, did you sell

(52:48):
me a rubbish car because I bought it new off you?

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
But but you start to wonder is that part of
their their their their structure and how they make the money.
Is they that they sell you the car and then
they know they're going to make this much extra profit
on the servicing of the car.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
It must be. Yeah, some great teams coming through a
nine two ninety two. Guys, it is worse if you're
a woman in the past, I've taken my car to
on mechanics and they give you a long list of
things to fix or cost much higher. My brother takes
the same car to the mechanics and the listing costs
is much less. Go figure from Faie.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, well that's exactly what happened with with my ex partner.
So she did that, and then she took her brother
in and her brother just absolutely ripped them a new one.
Yeah for doing that, and that that was a reputable,
well you know, supposedly reputable, big name firm.

Speaker 15 (53:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
And if your brothers can just come in and rip
you a new one and they back down that much money, yeah,
then what hoped idiots like you and me like Tyler
that talk about Nissan.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Corollas may have sent me and say, excuse me, I
know my miss and Corolla like nobody house. It does
not cost that much?

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Is that what you're charging? My boyfriend will come in,
he'll drivers Nissan Corolla up and he'll tell you, tell
you exactly how you're ripping me off.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is and number
to call love the hair your experience in this field.
It is twenty three past two.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news talk said be.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Twenty five past two.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
So I was I was asking before why if you
take it to a big brand service center, why the
individual mechanic would would would you know, rip you off?
And someone's saying here will the mechanics get a commission?
So how much money they bring? And I don't know
if that's true or not, but someone's saying that. On
nine two ninety two text mess machine is going off

(54:44):
with a lot of calls on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty this text here. My daughter bought a Suzuki Jimney.
I love a humble Jimney. Got the first two services
done by the dealer six hundred dollars for the service,
and now local guy services a car for three hundred dollars.
Dealer rang her and told her it needed a service.
She told them it had been done. The dealer said,
because they didn't do the service, the warranty was now

(55:06):
three years instead of five. So that got you by the.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Testin dirty buggers. I've got a question if you get
a quote from your mechanic or to get a service
and they don't stick to that quote. Have I got
any rights in that situation? So they give me the
quote and say we're going to do this, this, this,
and this, and then they go and do work that
I didn't ask for or know about. Can I go

(55:29):
back to them say excuse me, you didn't tell me
you're going to do that.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yeah, And in my experience, they send you you know that.
In my experience, they send you through a list of
insane things they're going to do. Yeah, and then you
can either say use or no. But I guess if
you're not going to get the service, you're not going
to get the warrant, and it's not going to uphold
the warranty. Yeah. I don't know how much can you
push back? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Exactly, Chris. You want to have a chat about warranties
and cars?

Speaker 12 (55:54):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (55:54):
Yeah, good, Hey guys. Anything you want to know, I'll
give you the answer. New cars to start with, I've
doing quite a few new cars, mainly Ford and mainly
General Motors, and I've had lots of argibargi with the
motor companies, with a major dealers, mainly in Autant. The
short end of it is that if you buy a
new car, you're not obligated to the dealer to take

(56:15):
it there to service. You're only obligated to go to
the dealer if it's a warranty claim. As far as
the motor companies are concerned, whether it's Ford or GM
or whoever. If you read the fine print and everything
you want to know about warranties, all it says is
as long as it's been serviced by an authorized mechanic

(56:36):
and you're using the approved lubricants. That's the crucial one.
To approved lubricants, your Kosha. You do not have to
take your car to the dealer to get it serviced
if it's brand new. If you think you do, you've
been ripped off way what it So.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
This person here with the Suzukney Jimmy that we were
just talking about for did you hear that Chris so
went to the dealer and then went WHICHUS six hundred
So went to another service center and then they said
that the warranty was now knocked down to three from five?
Is that not true? They have they been running a
bit of a of a sneaky on on this this
this woman.

Speaker 7 (57:12):
Well, possibly not to say because you haven't told me
whether the car is new brand that. There's a gazillion
gemony's in New Zealand. They're all Japanese imports. And sometimes
with these Japanese important cars, because they're not new, they've
got different criteria for the warranty. But I'll give you
one example with Ford. I had a Ford car brand

(57:35):
new and an eight speed auto into service speed Auto.
You better sit down for this. It was thirteen hundred
dollars to service the auto. I went to a very
refutable transmission company called Casper. They're about the best in
the country. They did the same for five hundred bucks.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Wow. But is that right, Chris? Because I've got a
new Karen. I'm not going to say what brand it is,
but it's got to go in for the service. And
part of that is it maintains the warranty that I've
got with that new vehicle, and it has to go
to a specific mechanics to maintain that warranty. You're telling
me I don't have to do that. I would never
lead to standal.

Speaker 7 (58:17):
No, no, no, I'm telling you no way you have
to take. You're a brand new car. No RADI the
dealer service the bottom line and the fine prind is
that it's got to be serviced by obviously a certified mechanic.
But the all they're concerned about is that you're using
the approved lubricant and sometimes they get your example forward

(58:41):
the improved lubricant they used in one of my vehicles,
which was a Castrale product. The actual product, you couldn't
get it anywhere else Clever. It's actually supplied to the
Forward dealer network. But I managed to find a way
to get around it because they only say that it's
got to be, you know, meet the standard. So once
you find out what the standard is of the oil,

(59:02):
you can find another brand. It doesn't matter as long
as it meets spectification.

Speaker 17 (59:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Right, See, this is the stuff that people that know
about cars can can do and can understand. But say,
as you said before, that charged attempted to be charged
thirteen hundred dollars, but but could have been done for
five hundred. When you find that out, where can you
go with that? Is this some I mean, what do

(59:27):
you what do you do with that? I mean you
can go to the other business, but but yeah, you
complain to somebody to take that up?

Speaker 15 (59:34):
What what what I did?

Speaker 7 (59:35):
And I'll give it I went back to the dealer.
It was the biggest sport dealer in Auckland. I won't wait.
So who they are? How can you justify the thirteen
hundred dollars plus? And what they told me it was
an eight speed order and it took eight liters of
oil and they said the oil was one hundred dollars
a week.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Wow, some good oil.

Speaker 7 (59:56):
Eight hundred bucks of oil.

Speaker 15 (59:58):
But I found.

Speaker 7 (59:58):
Out they were charging at that rate because of the market.
That's there.

Speaker 14 (01:00:03):
They get you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Right, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
Interesting, Yeah, And just finally with that oil, I actually
found out what it was the specification, and I went
and bought it a ristcoat for less than half the price.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
M yeah, I mean I can see that. But what
you're basically saying, Chris is I'm I've got me by
the Short and Curlys. If they're the only one that
stocks a particular lubricant, lubricant that must be used on
my vehicle. If nobody else has that, then I'm poked.
I've got to go to them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
But you're saying if you get that, if you get
the same spec lubricant, it can't be a brand. Think
in it. It's crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:00:38):
I know, it's it's the spec and they don't like it.
I mean, you've got to go top of the tree.
I mean I went top of the tree in the
Ford Made Company in New Zealands. I had it out
with them and they said to me that listen, you
don't have to go to the dealer network. You can
get it service as long as you use and they
approved or the right specification of the lubricant.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Men to story it interesting, but that's only with new cars.

Speaker 14 (01:00:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
Yeah, that's a new car.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, so's it's a different if you buy a secondhand
car and then and then go into the.

Speaker 7 (01:01:06):
Whatever service wearanties are tokenly different. I mean the secondhand
car they screw you. They do tie you into a network.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yeah, because because you know you're buying it from them,
and so it's their warranty. Yeah, as opposed to the
wider in your case, Ford warranty.

Speaker 7 (01:01:26):
Yeah. The other thing is with the new car. I
mean no, I had to go back many many times
because there are cars over the years, I mean, the
warranty claims were off the planet. And the only only
way you can get a warranty claim dealt with is
you've got to go back to the dealer. You know,
the Big fourteen or G or whoever. And because you
know another mechanic can't handle it. So unless you've got

(01:01:47):
a problem that's a warranty claim, you don't need to
go at all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Interesting, Chris, great to chat right coming up after the
headlines we've got it appears to be a mechanic who
has had thirty years in the trade, so plenty of
questions to put to him. It is twenty seven to three.

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Hearst and Late Moraki has been opened during the day
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Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
What TJ.

Speaker 12 (01:03:21):
Perinadez Harker tells us about New Zealand. You can see
the full column at ind It here all premium. Now
back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Thank you very much. Susie is twenty three to three.
And now I mentioned before that we've got a mechanic
who's called and he said thirty years in the trades.
Due get a.

Speaker 15 (01:03:38):
Well, there's your first mistake. I was never a mechanic, guys.
I was never that suitable.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
All right, I've got a week note. You're saying that
you've had thirty years in the trade, but not as
a mechanic.

Speaker 15 (01:03:45):
Thirty years in the trade. Yeah, he is the trade
on the sales side. Oh yeah, Chris was half of
the reason I got out of it because he was
an expert. The motor trader was never in it. Unbelievable.
So so here's let me dispel some rumors for you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Please.

Speaker 15 (01:04:01):
It's always the dealer's fault. Well, that's the case because
dealers are locked into that many contracts. It's not funny.
As soon as you put up a friend chose agreement sign.
In other words, as soon as you become a dealer
for a brand, never mind what brand, they're all the same.
You're basically target driven and you are locked into supply
agremments for oil minimum requirements, filter's minimum requirements, spark plugs,

(01:04:22):
you know, the whole nine yards, and you have to
buy that brand because you are that brand. If you don't,
you don't make any money. And if you don't hit
your parts target, your oil target, your sales target, your
workship target, and you won only claim target, you don't
make any money. Are you following the trend?

Speaker 17 (01:04:37):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Yet there is there is a lot there and I'm
sorry sorry to interrupt you. There astute. This is with new,
new new purchases.

Speaker 15 (01:04:44):
Of course, the new side US is different again, we'll
go there later.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Yeah, we got time.

Speaker 17 (01:04:50):
Yeah, we get time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
You must have sold a lot of cars. You're very good.
Yeah you ghost.

Speaker 15 (01:04:55):
Well, yeah, you learn, and you have to learn quick.
I mean, but you also learn that if you don't
do it right and you don't stand by people, you
don't do that. He is It's it's as simple as that.
I it wasn't in large city stuff. So large city dealerships.
I mean, the rent alone is millions, you know, it's not.

(01:05:16):
This isn't chicken feed. And these guys have got to
make money somewhere, because when you want to go back
to bitch and whins and bone because something's gone wrong
because you're disappointed, they're not all that happy that you're
coming back compone either, because they don't want you disappointed.
So this is a double edge sword. But it's not
necessarily the dealer that's tripping you off. Have a look
at the brand, because they're the ones that are supplying

(01:05:37):
the dealers. So the dealer can't go to ripcom by
cheap oil. Yeah, the same oil. Oil is oil. It's
the you know, the grade of oil is the grade
of oil. Nobiles might be blue, castroles might be green.
Shells might be red but it's still ten W thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
But Steve's from from the point from the point of
view of the customer. They don't care that the dealer
is assigned up to all these And so is it
true that you can take it to an authorized mechanic
yourself and still keep the warranty active.

Speaker 15 (01:06:08):
So you have to be a member of the MTA.
That's one of the big things. If you're not a
member of the MTA and you haven't got a service record,
it's like insurance companies. You're giving me reasons not to
help you. So and let's face it. The other thing
is if you're going to spend, and it doesn't matter
what brand you can spend. You know, let's say thirty

(01:06:28):
grand on a suzurkis Weft or two hundred and thirty
grand on a range Rover, and it's probably a cheap
one of that. You know, it's a big purchase for
each each person. How for some people are five thousands
of the car is just as big a purchase because.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
There is a lot of money.

Speaker 15 (01:06:44):
You want to look after it. So do you want
to take it to ten The technician who's fully qualified
got the battery in the factory, the battery of backing
and the training of Because I used to say to
people when I was selling a pre owned car that
wasn't our brand. Look you're buying a you know, X brand.
Take it to X brand because they get all the
bottos and that says, hey, look we've found it fifty
thousand k's. If we do this at sixty thousand k's,

(01:07:04):
this doesn't crap itself. But if you take it to
ten the technician on the road who's very good at
what he does or she does, don't get me wrong,
they don't get that bullied. So are you going to
get it service like greens and oil change or are
you going to get it looked after. Now I'm not
saying that the guys that who haven't got a franchise
don't know what they're doing. They are great people and
they do know what they're doing, and they will save

(01:07:26):
his money. Yeah, but the warrant of fitness is that's
a whole new kittle of fish. And so a lot
of people think VTNZ is government backed.

Speaker 14 (01:07:34):
It's not.

Speaker 15 (01:07:34):
They're all independent. But if you issue a warrant and
it's found out that something goes wrong, and you didn't
spot it. The guy or girl who issues the warrant
is then could lose their ticket, and that that is
a huge revenue spinner for them. So there's a lot
of it's like we're poking the bear.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
But she'd just been to the warranty situation because I
wasn't quite clear on that. So I'm in the situation.
I've got to take it to the authorized service center
for my two yeah and cheer cup two year service.
I know it's going to cost me quite a bit
of money, and I didn't realize that when I purchased
a vehicle. But that's the deal for the warranty, right.
But you're telling me that I can go to an
nt nta registered mechanic, and I would still be able

(01:08:16):
to keep that warranty.

Speaker 15 (01:08:18):
You should be able to. I mean, at the end
of the day, two years older, this thing crapped itself,
you know, drops this lunch, something major goes wrong, I'd
be asking, I mean, it's mechanical bad luck, because I
don't care. I mean, I only represented a very small
number of brands in those thirty years. One I represented
for twenty four years, and I can tell it now
if it didn't have a problem within the first ten

(01:08:39):
thousand k's, you're probably the chances are unless you're either
an idiot, be you abuse it, it's probably going to
do two hundred thousand case. You know, it's a modern car.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Unfortunately on both of those.

Speaker 15 (01:08:53):
So you have to be you have to you know,
it's bad luck. But again, yeah, I just think you know,
I now know because I have to buy my own car,
which is a little bit risky when you get out of.

Speaker 21 (01:09:06):
The car game.

Speaker 15 (01:09:06):
The first thing was to caring home. This is not
good on an US anymore.

Speaker 14 (01:09:12):
What do you mean you're taking the fuel cars?

Speaker 17 (01:09:15):
So you know I now know that.

Speaker 15 (01:09:17):
Okay, I want my car, lob dass and no, I
don't want to be ripped off. And if let's face it,
no one puts a gun to your heads and said
you will be coming here to service a car. You
can take it wherever you know you feel most comfortable.
And there's nothing wrong with going in and saying, hey, look,
I need you know, a train sported down or I
need a pan of steering to go to the leak
and you know, what do you think it is? Ask
some questions because the other there was another comment somewhere

(01:09:40):
someone said, oh, the mechanic gets a bonus. The mechanic
get a bonus based on time and throughput.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Right, So the more they do, and is that across
all as.

Speaker 15 (01:09:48):
The productive they are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Is that across all all the is that across all
the big service centers, all the.

Speaker 15 (01:09:54):
Brands most of the year because you want I mean,
they start asking questions of you when you're not ninety
two percent deficions right, you will get ninety two percent
of your day. I mean it took me twenty seven
minutes to get to you. I can tell you another deficians. Yeah,
from a car game point of view, at ninety five
percent they start smiling. And at ninety seven percent, yeah
you're good. Yeah, ninety seven percent of an hour. There's

(01:10:16):
not too many minutes you're not chadging out. You think
about it. So these guys and they're cranked along some
of them are. It's all performance based. It's got to
be because of forty or fifty thousand dollars car. When
you saiy that new you might only make a couple
of grand an of it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Hey, Stuart, I want to I want to talk to
you about the second hand thing. But we've we've just
got to go away for a few minutes, can you
Can you hold on the phone and we'll come come
back to you in a couple of minutes.

Speaker 15 (01:10:40):
Yeah, as long as I can get a job on
the radio industry if I get checked from this one here.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Yeah, Dondale, you're already better than men Tyler. Yeah, all right,
jennyin soon, stew Either and I for the people they
are about to text in on nine. Man Tyler, it
is sixteen to three.

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Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
There'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Thanks for sticking around, Steve. So we're talking about a
big brand car dealer service centers and whether that's a
good deal. We talked a lot about the new car purchase.
But now if we move on to secondhand warranties. You
buy a car from from one of the one of
these big places and then you enter their warranty situation.

(01:11:26):
That's quite different, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:11:28):
Due Yeah, it depends on there's various different grades.

Speaker 20 (01:11:31):
There's the you.

Speaker 15 (01:11:33):
Know, you buy a warranty out of a book type scenario,
which is I'm just going to name a brand because
just to give people under your like Auto Show for example,
or what used to be Wins. That was another one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
So that was.

Speaker 15 (01:11:47):
Again it's it's a it's a it's an insurance, and
there's obligations that you have to meet as an owner.
You know, you have to get a service every six months,
ten thousand CA's. Then there's the ones where the dealer
will try and lock you into your own warranty that's
administered to a company, and there's all sorts of hang
ups and bits and pieces. But a lot of that,

(01:12:09):
some of it's profit driven because basically they need the
money to survive. I mean, don't don't get me wrong.
I was thinking, you know, through the ad break, a
cardula isn't necessarily your enemy. You know, at the end
of the day, if a cardula, you know, you don't
have to go back to the guy you brought it from.
I'm just going to name the brand I used to

(01:12:31):
be with for twenty four years because they don't exist anymore.
So it's not going to hurt anyone. Go hold him
around for a long long time, you know. Yeah, we're
holding around for ages. There were I think at one
point forty two dealers in New Zealand. So I was
always going to buy a hold, but the local guy
I thinks are twapped, So I'm going to down to
buy one. I'm going to buy it, you know, yeah,
the same thing, because it's all about personality and anyone

(01:12:52):
can sell you that car or that warranty any make
can I proved that I did it for thirty years
and looking after it and getting you to come back.
That's an artful make break.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Now you're out of the thing is real key. Now
you're out of the industry, and you you were in
the industry for thirty years. Out of the trade. If
you buy a second hand cart, doesn't make sense to
get the warranty worth a dealer as opposed to getting
the car and taking it to a mechanic and an
outside MTA mechanic.

Speaker 15 (01:13:24):
The warranty doesn't necessarily mean it's worth a dealer because
you've got it. There's different types of warranty. Some are
dealer driven, but you have to come back to that
warranty because they tried to hook you in. Some are
just again an MTA member conserface. So you might buy
it underneed. Yeah, I mean one of the cars I've
bought in the last is what I bought in Crisedge.
But I live in you know, the whiteout. Yeah, I
ain't going back to Cristiage Reservice. But I bought a

(01:13:44):
warranty to the European car. Yeah, so what you know, Yeah,
any car. And don't get me wrong, it's not just
European cars that cost a fortune. Defects some things on
a Suzuki Swift, just as an example, or a you know,
just because it's a small car and it's less that
it's left to buy. I mean I used to be
in the parts of that for a little while as well.
And you look at this part and think, oh this
is going to cost It's only fifty gas. That's not bad.

(01:14:06):
And then you get something else and think, oh this
will be thirty nine, one hundred and fifty two dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:14:09):
Then you get there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 15 (01:14:11):
Know, so you are. You're in the lap of the
manufacturer and they all cost a fortune to fix. And
what no matter what anyone tells you, they will all break.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Well, thank you for that, ste and've got a text
through here on nineteen ninety two. You should give Stue
a half hour spot once a week. Your listeners would
love it, so you go, we'll.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Keep in touch make with positive reviews.

Speaker 15 (01:14:34):
Right sounds good?

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Alright mate, go well yeah, very interesting, Thank you very much, right, Beck,
And with more of your phone calls, it is nine
to three.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty four.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
You've talked z.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
B News Talks there B seven to three. Josh, you
want to have a chat about how to get the
best mechanic?

Speaker 9 (01:15:00):
Yeah, hey boys here, No, I mean, my mechanic's pretty good.
But you know that thought that goes through your head,
do you know you likenk If I just tell it
there and he lucks, he might decide, oh it needs
an extra one of these or whatever. So anyway, my
car broke down last week, and one thing I learned
pretty quickly was your car has many censers, and there's

(01:15:24):
a diagnostic tool where you can plug into your car.
So if you can't doesn't work, you're plug in this device.
It'll tell you the error code, and that aer code
will correspond with what is wrong with that vehicle. So
that's exactly what we did was I called him mate,
freaking out, saying, hey, look mate, I really don't want

(01:15:45):
to take it to the mechanic without kind of knowing
for sure roughly what it is. And so around the
diagnostic check we got the code, so we knew what
the problem was. So when we handed the car over
to the mechanic, we could clearly tell them this is
what you're looking at, mate.

Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
That's smart, that is and these diagnostic tools.

Speaker 9 (01:16:06):
I didn't realize. My car is seventeen years old. It's
got over fifteen hundred different senses and aren't the even
more modern cars have even more census. And when you
put in that machine, it'll tell you what's wrong with it.
So if your car stops going, I mean these tools,
there's dog lostic tools. They're only about one hundred and

(01:16:26):
twenty bucks online.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
So you go, you plug that, and then you go
into the mechanic and say it needs this, this, and this.

Speaker 7 (01:16:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:16:34):
I just said, oh look we ran too. I had
lost its on it already. These are the aero codes
that are showing and this error code relates to this
particular part of the car.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Yeah, and this is different from you know in your
car when you're driving around. You know the warning codes
come up on the on the screen. It's different from those,
it's a different codes to that.

Speaker 9 (01:16:57):
It's probably the same mat See i've got a seventeen
year old car. You've you've probably worked hard enough to
have something that's a couple of years old.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
Perhaps it's been very late.

Speaker 9 (01:17:07):
Code come up on your dash, not like my old Honda.
But yeah, that's the way we're heading. And in the future, man,
it'll be as simple as run the diagnostics, find out
what you need, then watch a little YouTube video. How
do you replace that part? Yeah, it's gonna be that easy.
So yeah, one way of double checking is having that

(01:17:32):
diagnostic tool in running that check on your own vehicle
before we hand it over.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Good.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Thank you so much for you cool Josh. That is
where we'll leave a good check quick text here to
finish up with guys for clarity. MTA is only an
association wherepairers can join and pay a membership. They do
very little training, but offers their members advice not the
be all and end all for customers from Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Thank you for that, Mark A. So coming up after
three o'clock, we've got the new Zealander of the week.
We've also got topical tunes. We'll have g Lane from
the acc or the Nice Student. I'm sure he's coming
up to talk about the crack. And also we're going
to ask you the question, what is the greatest Beatles
song of all time? Yeah, because there's new Martin Scorsese

(01:18:16):
documentary coming out on the Beatles. And also in this day,
in two thousand and one, the great George Harrison passed away.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What is the best
greatest Beatles song of all time? That's coming up very
shortly nine two ninety two if you want to text
it through as well. New Sport and Weather on its way.
You're listening to matt and Tyler Good Afternoon.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
Your new home for instateful and entertaining talk.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
It's Mattie and Tyler Adams afternoons on News.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Talk sebbe good Afternoon, Happy Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Yeah. Not for some crew members of the Manoui, the
h T Minis Insid marn On his grounding and sinking
off the coast of Samoa was a result of human era.
That is an absolute bombshell. Certainly, the naval aviously went
down two months ago. You'd have heard this in the news.
The Interim Court of Inquiry reports show series of human

(01:19:11):
errors meant the ship's autopilot. We have problems with autopilots
and ships in New Zealand. It wasn't disengaged when it
should have been. Chief of Navy Rear Admiral Garren Golding
says the crew mistakenly believed the ship's inability to respond
to direct direction changes was caused by a thrust to
control failure. He says standard procedure should have prompted the
ship's crew to then check it was under manual control,

(01:19:33):
but that didn't happen, so the ship continued an autopilot,
eventually hitting the reef and grounding. The Rear Admiral says,
given the human era, finding, a separate discipline of process
will start once the Court of Inquiring concludes. Can you
imagine if it was your human error that caused a
one hundred and thirty million dollar vessel to sink to

(01:19:56):
the bottom of the ocean. Imagine that I was talking
to some people at the Air Force a couple of
weeks ago, and they were saying that the government announced
that they had to make roughly one hundred and thirty
million dollars a cut from budget manage out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
For the manawanui no no, no, no, just in general, right, okay, yeah,
before this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
So that was that a long time before this, and
then so so so members of the Defense Force have
made these amazing cuts. And then the Navy just through
human error censorship. Can you imagine pardon the pun, the
sinking feeling you would have if you were responsible for that.
As they go through the findings, is they slowly found

(01:20:34):
out what happened, So you're thinking it was the thrust
to control failure, and then you find out that you
have mistakenly believed this and you haven't followed standard procedure
and you have one hundred and thirty million dollars ship
rough one hundred and thirty million dollars. I think we
bought it for one hundred but then there was upgrade,
so you know, don't quote me exactly on that number,
but that number has been floating around. Boy oh boy,

(01:20:58):
the levels of stress you would be under right now.
I mean, there's going to be so many questions. And
for me, what I found kind of odd about the
whole thing is when we were told that speculation was
unhelpful for a start. When I heard that that, I
think it was might have been been Judith Collins who
said that, I thought, what do you mean, who cares?
Not our job as the taxpayer that's that's covering this hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Quarter to speculate to be helpful with our.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Speculation, will speculate away at one hundred and thirty million dollars,
And so a lot of the speculation seems justified. Now, yeah,
because that is I mean, you're sinking a ship in peacetime.
It just doesn't happen like a naveled ship going down
in peace time. It is absolutely crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
You've got to sympathize with the people involved in this.
Whoever were the humans that had the era? Look, I
get it, but yeah, as you said, the sinking feeling
no pun intended. But man, you've got to sympathize with
those people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Well yeah, I mean, they will not be feeling good.
But if they haven't folded followed standard procedure, then then
what happens then? Because that is a that is a
huge damage to the country. I mean, we already have
an under resourced military, and you know, we scraped it
together to buy this vessel because we thought we needed it,
we wanted other stuff. We scraped it together. We bought

(01:22:14):
this secondhand Norwegian thing, and there was a lot of
people speculating that we bought a dunger and blaming Norway.
But wow, that I think that is a huge, huge story.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
I've got to rip out the autopilot. Surely that's the
second time the autopilot has got us into trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Come on, Yeah, well, I mean the thing with the
autopilot is I don't know. Look, I don't know what
the standard procedure is, and be ridiculous for me to
speculate on navy procedures for you know, like a soil
bound gentleman. But it just seems that you that at
any given point you would go through the standard procedure. Yeah.

(01:22:50):
I mean, I'll be so interested if this comes out
to work out exactly how how crazy this is. Yeah,
and who gets the blame for this?

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
It's a big stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
It's just a blame go to the commander. I mean,
some blame will because because that's the ultimate person on
the boat that's making the decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Yeah, you know, wow, plenty more to come on this story,
But that is a massive stuff up. But once the
Court of Inquiry starts and concludes, will certainly find out more.
Right now, it is eleven past three, zied be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Every Friday on Matt and Tyler Afternoons on zid B,
we name the New Zealander of the Week and honor
that we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who
has had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful
nation over the previous seven days. As always, there will
be three nominees, but only one winner. And remember, like
the Time magazine Person of the Year, the New Zealand
of the Week isn't always an agent of good. So
without further ado, the nominees for Matt and Tyler Afternoons

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New Zealand of the Week are Nominee one also gets
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(01:24:13):
and Coast into Christmas Award. You told us to warm
our cockles. Over the next few months, you dropped the
official cash rate, then pissed off overseas before the hard
interview bat Adrian or for jumping on the Christmas ghost
though early. You are nominated for New Zealander of the Week,
but there can be only one and the winner is
And this is a sad one. We lost you far

(01:24:34):
too young. Everyone who met you was impressed by you.
You were respected and appreciated across the political spectrum. Even
your biggest rival said of you politics was better for
having you in it. Well, our great country was better
for having you in it. Nicky kay rip you are
the matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 23 (01:25:23):
It is the toughest moments of my personal life that
have helped me be able to be a better member
of Parliament and cabinet minister. Through my parents breaking up, young,
a stepbrother, being charged with murder, being diagnosed with breast
cancer at thirty six, I have learned when your world
breaks and shatters, you can be your most powerful.

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
Mattie than Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Poor boy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Yeah, that's that was a sad one this week for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Well deserved though, right. So, as you mentioned before, Martin
Scorsese is producing a new documentary on the Beatles. It
promises to offer a fascinating glipse glimpse rather into beetle Mania.
But we're gonna ask the question, and plenty of people
have started texting and already what is the greatest Beatles
song of all time? A whole after choose from.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Oh my goodness, I mean, look at the stats. One
hundred and eighteen original songs, twenty five covers. So the
Beatles recorded two hundred and thirteen songs, six hundred million sales,
twenty US number ones, and twelve studio albums. The greatest
band of all time if you ask me, and so many,
so much a variety, so much variety of music across

(01:26:34):
across their career. And look today. In two thousand and one,
George Harrison tragically passed away of lung cancer at fifty eight,
So young. And boy, I've been thinking about this since
since we raised the topic. So I'd love to hear
people thoughts on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty or
on nine two nine two, But what is the greatest

(01:26:56):
Beatles song of all time?

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
We want to give you hours now, or we save
that for a little bit later.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Save, Let's save it, Let's save mine. We'll say save mine.
I've got I've got got to work it out. It's
currently between five songs. There's lot coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Oh, eight hundred eighty, it's a big one. The text
are coming through thick and fast. Ninet two ninety two
is that number. Let's get into it. It is a
quarter past three News Talks B We're asking what is
the greatest Beatles song of all time? Huge question, but
it's on the back of this new documentary by Martin Scorsese.
He's producing at least directed by David Tadishi, and it's

(01:27:31):
going to have a look at the Beatles Tour of
America and eventually conquering the world. It's going to be
a fascinating documentary.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Yeah, So, how do you pick the best Beatles song
of all time? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Give
us a call with your one. I don't know if
we'll get any kind of consensus on this, because there's
two hundred and thirty thirteen Beatles songs. My favorite Beatles
songs I'm going to go for I'm going to go
for throw two out for discussion. Okay, and I might
get some kickback, but my favorite Beatles song of all

(01:28:01):
time is probably between she said, she said.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
It nice.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
I love this.

Speaker 7 (01:28:12):
Es I.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Absolute tune and off Abby Road, A Day in a Life,
A Day in the Life.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Beautiful, Dana's aggie. A day of Life is a baggie.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
And the reason why I did that because my son
the other day was talking about the Beatles and I
and he asked me this very question about two weeks ago,
and and then I thought about it. We were driving
somewhere in the car and I played him this one
and he actually never heard the song before because he's
just a young teenage fella. And you know, in twenty
twenty four, he heard the song and he went, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
My goodness, blew his mind. Yeah, blew his mind. Find
out in the car, fantastic good. Don't me a while,
but the horse came in. Let's go to the phones,
and I think we've got Tony on the line. Get
a Tony first one, Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:29:22):
The life.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Yeah. I mean, it's a couple of songs in there,
and both of them are great.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Okay, we'll still got your Tony. We just lost you there.
What is it that you love so much about the day,
day and the life.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
Yeah, I don't know, I just like it.

Speaker 20 (01:29:42):
It's it's just Chelsea about the story.

Speaker 15 (01:29:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Yeah. Norwegian fantastic song A Day in the Life, of course,
was two songs, one by Paul McCartney and one by
John Lennon, and they came together and George Martin, producer, said,
how can we get from one key to another key?
So he just said to the orchestra, you start here
and you go to here, and that's how you've got
that orchestra ickestral bull up to the other song. It's

(01:30:10):
very very clever. Also also Ringo does one of the
coolest He's got the coolest drum fills in that song.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Yeah, I love r Ando. James, What is it for you?
What's your favorite Beatles song?

Speaker 21 (01:30:27):
With somewhere on the Day in the Life, And I
think Strawberry Field is one of the better ones too,
But well, my absolute favorite, and this is just one
of my personal opinion, is Don't Let Me Down, Oh Yeah,
which was basically one of the last hips they had
before the broke up.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Yeah, I was singing on the rooftop, wasn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:30:51):
Yeah, Yeah, that was basically one of the last few
things they did before the band finally came apart.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Yeah, And that's a fantastic song.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
That was a great video, wasn't when they singing on
the rooftop and you see the bobbies come through the
door and McCartney looks back and gives a bit of
a grand and it just gives it heaps. Harold, what
is it for you? That's hey, dude, hey Jude. Yeah, yeah,
I love that.

Speaker 22 (01:31:16):
I love that song because it builds and bills And
I lived in America at the time when it came out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Oh did you Well, I can't imagine, because I feel
like I've known that song my whole life. Can you
remember the moment that you heard that song is a
new Beatles song out and you heard it at what
I was in my thirties, and at that time.

Speaker 22 (01:31:39):
I remember, I remember, let's enjoy it in the car,
and then after I heard it in the car, went
out and got the albums.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Yeah, right, So it must have been amazing to be
at a time when Beatles the Beatles were releasing new
music because you wouldn't know what they were going to do,
because obviously they were so innovative.

Speaker 22 (01:31:55):
So oh there, they're the best. Let me tell you
they're the best.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Yeah, so you'd hear. So the Beatles got a new
song out. Let's give it a listen and see what
see what it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
And it's Hey, Jude, I love that song right at,
such a good sing along song.

Speaker 22 (01:32:09):
Ye bells and bells right for the you're right yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
And if you're in the car, the rulers of that
song plays in the car. You can't get out of
the car, even on a road trip when you get
when you go home, you've got to wait till all
the You've got to wait.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
Hey, dude, do you know that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
That song was written for Julian Lennon. Paul McCartney wrote
it for Julian Lennon. John John Lennon thought it was
Paul McCartney singing about a girl, but Paul McCartney after
Julian Lennon broke up with Cynthia Lennon and was with Yoko,
he went to see see her and and Julian and

(01:32:52):
he felt really bad for him, so he wrote the
song about how your life's going to be. It's going
to be okay, it's going to be good. All these
things that will happen to you. He was really emotionally
touched boy, but he never told John that.

Speaker 22 (01:33:01):
Yeah, he was like, okay, guy, well thank you her make.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Thank you Harold. Great to hear from you. Oh, eight
one hundred eighty ten eighty. What is the greatest Beatles
song of all time? For you? Plenty of calls and
texts coming through. We'll get to some of the more
of those very shortly. It is twenty four past three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Good afternoon. We're talking about the greatest Beatles song of
all time in the back of a new document documentary
coming out. Martin Scorsese is producing. It's gonna be amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
And just this Talk of Beatles is going to make
watch the Get Back Peter Jackson documentary again. How good
was that?

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Yeah, Marie, how are you hello?

Speaker 15 (01:33:47):
Title?

Speaker 6 (01:33:47):
Not bad?

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
What are you reading?

Speaker 7 (01:33:50):
One?

Speaker 6 (01:33:50):
My favorite Beatles song is eight Days a Week?

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Oh yeah, okay, Early, I.

Speaker 6 (01:33:55):
Love eight Days a Week. I just like fat person
that sitting beside you. How many books has he written me?

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
I've got arguably two. I've had two out this year.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
Well, I have written to or you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Have it right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Well, the second book that came out this year, so
that the first book that came out the year.

Speaker 6 (01:34:15):
I saw it. I saw it in the weekend. But
of the Union post, Yeah, books to look out for
to read was your book?

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Yeah, so I wrote The Lifeless Punishing that came out
and may I think and then recently me and Mike
Lane also the book come out called The acc alban Ax.

Speaker 6 (01:34:35):
Oh, yes, I remember that once and then we're talking
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Yeah, Stevenson, So that's what that's why I say, arguably too.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Yeah, did you buy his book, Marie? Did you buy it?
In the books?

Speaker 6 (01:34:45):
Well, I may do if I get a chance to,
but I might get my son's coming down next week
and in my hopes to go to one day at
the Base of Reserves, I'm going to see if he
can get it for me when he comes, because calls
will have it, won't they.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Yeah, Wicks, they have a big old pile.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Yeah, big gold bile.

Speaker 6 (01:35:05):
But it's good to see them putting it in mainstream
commun like Top tens and Top twenties.

Speaker 15 (01:35:10):
Seeks to read, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:35:14):
In that little magazine that comes with this Saturday morning. Yeah,
dominion post. It's good to see at the head. A
lot of people get that paper.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Yeah yeah, well, thank you so much, Marie. And look
at in terms of genius levels my book and the
Beatles at the other ends of the spectrum.

Speaker 16 (01:35:31):
Calvin, Yes, good afternoon to both. Is I'm eighty three.
So I was there when the Beatles first came on
the scene, and I can clearly remember their type of music,
first of all, because it was so different from anything
else would have been going. And they certainly broke out
into the world. And the song what I whenever I

(01:35:53):
hear it, it takes me straight back to the early
sixties when we were here in the tron partying big
time proper parties, not the crap they have now. And
so the song, the song, it's got to be one
of the early ones, which when they hit the scene
running and not not their later different styles and all that.

(01:36:15):
So the one I particularly like because there are lots
of them, and that is Twist.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
And shout Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, classic one of their
eighteen covers, twistings Out.

Speaker 16 (01:36:26):
Yes, fantastic. So when they were singing that, you can
hear the drums going, well, the guitars the harmonizing, it's
all there, and it was loud, and the wailing, the
wailing of the singers, it was all there.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
So you all there, you're around when the Beatles came
to New Zealand.

Speaker 16 (01:36:45):
Calvin, I, well, I've been in New Zealand all the
time since ninety forty one.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
So you were here, can remember that vividly?

Speaker 16 (01:36:59):
Well, I remember on the black and white television seeing
them when they were when they came out of the
upstairs balcony. Was it at Wellington? Yeah, yeah, I was
from the hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Yeah, the Cook Hotel. Yeah. Now, now when you say
that partying properly unlike they do today, what were the
tenants of partying back then?

Speaker 16 (01:37:19):
Well, it had to be a line of LP record
yeap on a player.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:37:26):
And alcohol, of course was in the glass. Yeah, quite
often in the glass.

Speaker 14 (01:37:36):
They would have been.

Speaker 16 (01:37:37):
There would have been larger bottles in those days.

Speaker 11 (01:37:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Yeah, someone told me that. Someone told me, and you
maybe you can back this up or not, Calvin, but
someone told me. When they first Beatles songs started coming out,
they just sounded louder and clearer in the speakers and
people would say, are they somehow getting deeper? Grooves than
the record or something. Was that your experience that just
sounded better than other rules.

Speaker 16 (01:37:56):
I didn't. I didn't go into that technically, Like as
you just stated, it was just there was new, a
new type of sound, new music, new songs was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
We'll forget people forget that. They were called the Beatles
because they were playing the beat. They were playing the
four to four beat as opposed to skiffle, and so
the four four beat makes a lot of sense to
us now, but really hammering the four four beat was
quite new at that time, and that was a type
of music. Hence they were called the horrific pun of
the Beatles.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
I love it, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
What is the greatest Beatles song of all time? It
is twenty nine to four.

Speaker 5 (01:38:33):
Jews talk sa'd be headlines with.

Speaker 12 (01:38:36):
Blue bubble taxis, It's no trouble with a blue bubble
and Interim Court of Inquiry has found the hm NZ's
Manawanui's grounding and sinking off the coast of Samour was
a result of human error. Ambulance crews are at Auckland
Saint Cut's College in Epsom after a reported chemical spill.
Emergency services, including a hazmat unit called at around twelve

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thirty at a school building, has been evacuated. A man
believed to be president of the West Auckland Headhunters chapter
has faced court over an alleged breach on day one
of the patch ban. Sixty one year old Philip Roberts
is on remand until his next appearance on December the eighteenth. Meanwhile,
a patched head hunter has been arrested and a vehicle

(01:39:22):
impounded after a fleeing driver incident in Auckland's Newmarket last night.
A twenty six year old man will appear in court
today charged with possession of an offensive weapon and failing
to answer district court bail. And then the cargo man
who's landed himself in court after allegedly indecently exposing himself
to members of the public. Police are asking anyone who's

(01:39:45):
had a run in with the nineteen year old, brown
haired Caucasian man and a green sedan over the last
two weeks to let them know region's cocaine use linked
to ideals smuggling conditions. You can find out more about
that at insid Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams, but.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
Early, thank you very much, Susie.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
I'm reeling at the magnitude of that Interim Court of
Inquiry report showing that a series of human erarors meant
that the ship's autopilot wasn't disengaged when it should have been,
and that's responsible for the man And Whennui's a grounding
off the coast of Summer, I mean that is human
era autopilot on. So you know, standard procedure sounds like

(01:40:26):
it wasn't followed, so no one went is the autopilot on?

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
This is blowing your mind, isn't it? And for good reason.
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
That's one hundred and thirty million dollars ship, whatever it
costs for the cleanup or the planes that have flown up.
That is a boy.

Speaker 11 (01:40:42):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
I've done some cockups in my life, but imagine having
that cockup hanging over you. I mean the effect that
has on our defense future and our future of the
country when we're trying to save some money.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
Yeah, mine that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
That is that is quite something.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Anyway, the cockup of the decade, I think that, if
not the last fifty years. But yeah, let's back, get
back to the Beatles, plenty of calls coming through on
the greatest Beatles song of all time?

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Well, what's yours?

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
My one? But a Penny Lane.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
Jenny Lane, absolute lall McCartney banger.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
What I find so amazing about Lane is this.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
So they wanted this on the on this Sergeant Pepper's album,
but the record company said, we need a single out now,
so they released Strawberry Fields as an Penny Lane on
a single together. So Penny Lane was the B side
to Strawberry Fields. So can you imagine that two songs
that that are just so phenomenally good and the Beatles
were just absolutely crapping Mona Lisa's at that time to

(01:41:43):
the point where they can release a single with Strawberry Fields,
Fever and Penny Lane on the same seven inch single.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
It's unheard of genius.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
That is, well, that's even more unheard of than human
error singing. And that's quite something that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Mate. Yeah, good god, you're a big Yeah, gotcha mate,
you're a big Beatles.

Speaker 17 (01:42:09):
Oh duoge And in comparison to last tour, I'm twenty three,
so oh that sixthing is different.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
It's huge.

Speaker 17 (01:42:21):
And his suggestion was great. I've been ratting my brain
trying to think come up with ideas.

Speaker 7 (01:42:25):
But for me.

Speaker 17 (01:42:28):
Got to be either Chum Together, great song or indeed
Sergeant Keeper's Lonely Club heart Band the song oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
The first one, or the Reprize Oh Mark mhm. I
mean it's great to have both of them, both of
them on the on on the album Yeah, Come Together
was I'm just going to punish people. I've read so
many books on the Beatles punishing people with Beatles facts,
but Come Together was written really originally written for a
political campaign and then John Lennon sort of fell out

(01:42:57):
with the guy and went now and I'm going to
keep that for as a Beatles song. But what a
fantastic song and also further proof the people that questioned
Ringo Star as a drummer that the way that the
drum beat that that he came up for that is
like nothing anyone else would come up. It's a bizarre beat,
perfect timeless.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
Yeah exactly, Asia, Thank you very much, mates.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
I would like to put this to to the to
the people as my my another one of the best
Beatles songs of all time, Norwegian would This one was
a bit of a struggle for Cynthia Lennon because it

(01:43:42):
was clearly a song about John Lennon going home with
another woman.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
I don't want to I don't want to be unfair here,
but what's the instrument that has been played here?

Speaker 14 (01:43:57):
Guitar?

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Is it just a regular guitar?

Speaker 21 (01:43:59):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
Oh there's a bit of sitar in the background. It
was when Jorge Harrison was going deep in the cititar,
which was so cool there, you know, and that seems
like the kind of thing people do now, but back
then the people game he's playing us at.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Times we have time for one more? Doug yet a mate? Hey,
Core Gollan, very good? What's your favorite Beatles song?

Speaker 14 (01:44:24):
Absolute favorite? As a day in the life such a
followed by Penny Lane due to the fact, well why
I went to the UK to visit our daughter and
our daughter shouted us a black cab tour of all
the through Liverpool with the Beatles. Oh good, So we
actually went to Penny Lane. Now that song is a

(01:44:46):
story and I can picture walking down Penny Lane.

Speaker 5 (01:44:50):
Oh wow.

Speaker 14 (01:44:51):
The order of the song, like the barbershop's not even
in Penny Lane, right, that's the very beginning. Did we
got to see Elma Rugby's Grave.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Oh wow, did you go to Strawberry Field?

Speaker 14 (01:45:03):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (01:45:03):
Wow?

Speaker 14 (01:45:04):
And we also went to all the beatleshousers.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Oh wow have you yep?

Speaker 9 (01:45:09):
Sorry, and we finished the night.

Speaker 14 (01:45:12):
We walked in at the Cavin Club at five o'clock
on the afternoon and we left them the past three
the next morning.

Speaker 16 (01:45:18):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
What an experience or not?

Speaker 7 (01:45:21):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
That is so so good. I would absolutely love to
do that. I've never been to Liverpool, but that would
be the first thing I do.

Speaker 17 (01:45:26):
What.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
Who was that rotund late night host that everyone hates.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Oh James Gordon.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
So James Gordon, look it up online. There was that
great Uh. He took Paul McCartney back to to Liverpool
and took him around all those spots, that's right. And
he went went and visited pau mconty, visited the house
he grew up, and he didn't get him free because
the person didn't recognize him. It's a great documentary. And
then and then they put on a little concert and
in the pub, the first pub that the Beatles ever

(01:45:53):
played in, and the people there don't know that Paul
McCartney's going to play. And then the curtains pulled back
and there's Paul McCartney playing. I cried little litteral tears
watching that. You can look it up on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
We had had we had in that pub, did you
Oh my god, I've got.

Speaker 7 (01:46:07):
To do this.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
I have asolutely got to do this.

Speaker 14 (01:46:10):
And Paul McCartney's house at the front door, the brick
boat people taking news.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Oh really. And and there's the piano. There's the piano
that his dad used to play on, and downstairs and
and and that Paul McCartney leaned to play on as well.
Did you see that?

Speaker 14 (01:46:24):
Yeah? And the Kevin Club itself stars.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
What a fantastic experience, Doug. I've got to do that.
I've absolutely got to do that. I would be skipping around,
skipping around Liverpool, look like a little.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
Girl, happy little girl. What a great chat that was.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Love that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
It is on the back of the course Beatles sixty
four documentary by Martin Scorsese has produced it, directed by
David Desky. That is going to be streaming on Disney
Plus this weekend. So that's going to be a great watch.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Okay, so it's still to come on the show Topical Tunes.
We're doing that right now.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
We are doing it very veryy a getting to it now,
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
All right, okay, well right, because of what we've been
talking about, you have to go first, Tyler Losers.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
Go first today.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
Oh yes, it's currently five to two.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
To me radio. So yesterday there was quite a few,
quite a bit of chat about rucks road user chargers.
The suggestion that everyone's going to be charged is these
extra taxes. But you mentioned your old e bike and
that is going to be exempt from the ruck chargers.
So I've gone with a bit of Queen.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
Great Harmonies. The best of three callers decide whose topical
tune is the most topical and the best tune?

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
Yeah, alright, okay, so this is the big sell for you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
Yeah, that's right. So the New Zealand company that's received
a lot of money from Black Rock and some money
from the government went into liquidation this week Solar zero,
so this is a sun based song. Also, you'll Harrison
died on this day in two thousand and one. Also,
the Martin Scorsese Beatles documentary that's coming out that we've

(01:48:16):
just been talking about. So my topical tune O. Eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty first to three decides
as that's.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
Antler tune you dirty man. Oh that is a great song,
right O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty The first
of three votes via phone takes it out. Get on
the phones now. It is sixteen minutes to four.

Speaker 5 (01:48:45):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
You've talked sai'd be radio time for topical tunes. This
is me today, wand man.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Yeah, right, Jack. It's a tenuous topical, and I think
you're lacking on the topical nature of it because it's
something to do with road use charges and e bike snapping.
It's a very weak topical. A play there from you,
good song, whereas mine. Here so many topics involved. You've
got Solar zero going into liquidation, You've got George Harrison

(01:49:21):
dying today in two thousand and one, and you've got
the new Martin Scorsese Beatles song coming out, and plus
we're coming into summer. I mean, are you even trying.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
To you were hanging that on Solar zero. That's as
tenuous as you can get.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
I just don't think you're trying essentially insulting the Electric competition.

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
Right, let's go to the phones. Len, what do you
reckon today?

Speaker 16 (01:49:43):
Good to know.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
I like the Mets song Here Comes the Sun?

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
Yeah right, thank you Len, and I like you you
related to Meadow you thank you very much, Len Angela.

Speaker 5 (01:49:52):
How are you.

Speaker 17 (01:49:54):
Hi there?

Speaker 7 (01:49:55):
I'm going for Tiler Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Queen bicycle race.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Well, I guess there's this is gonna be the odd
sympathy vote.

Speaker 19 (01:50:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eight. If you
can't get through, keep trying, Carl, how are you?

Speaker 15 (01:50:08):
You're good things?

Speaker 19 (01:50:09):
Buddy?

Speaker 15 (01:50:10):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 16 (01:50:11):
Well, it's a hard.

Speaker 14 (01:50:13):
One because I live in to phone. We've got the
bike race on this weekend. It's really at the same time.

Speaker 15 (01:50:19):
So I'm going for the Beatles.

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
No, you're a good man, right, two for you, one
for me, Jimmy Boy.

Speaker 12 (01:50:27):
Yeah, are you.

Speaker 9 (01:50:27):
Guys listen to You're both fantastic.

Speaker 21 (01:50:31):
Tyler, you gotta step up, So you got to.

Speaker 9 (01:50:36):
Maddy, Maddy, it's you today.

Speaker 16 (01:50:39):
But listen, you forgot to mention revolution, loves and leaves
and be safe all right?

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Going on here? That's six too, Yeah, So I just
want you to try you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
I mean, I mean, there's something going on here you
paying these people off?

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Yeah, but look I'm just happy to hear the song. Absolute,
that's a good song, I mate, r I p George Harrison.

Speaker 24 (01:51:15):
He comes the Sun, he comes the sun, Nacy, It's
all right.

Speaker 19 (01:51:27):
It, Donning.

Speaker 24 (01:51:29):
It's been a unco don't you wind.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
It, Dolly.

Speaker 24 (01:51:37):
It feels like you since it's been here, he comes.

Speaker 19 (01:51:43):
A sun, it comes us, un Nacy, It's.

Speaker 24 (01:51:50):
All right, don the smiles returning to the basis.

Speaker 8 (01:52:06):
It do it?

Speaker 24 (01:52:08):
It seems like since it's been here.

Speaker 19 (01:52:14):
He conserts, be const nice it It's alright.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
Well, well, don't mate, I don't know what I gotta
do to win this bloody competition.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Better songs and better too.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
What's wrong with queen Bicycle Race?

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Well you know you're playing with the big dogs now, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
Yeah, well dantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Speaking of the big dogs, acc head g Lane is
going to join us to talk about the cricket very soon.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
Yeap it airs nine two four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between matth and Tyler Adams Afternoons You for.

Speaker 5 (01:53:31):
Twenty twenty four Used talks said bad be six to four.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Welcome to the studio. Alternative commentary collective head g Lane.
The cricket is slipping and sliding away.

Speaker 25 (01:53:42):
Yeah, it's delicately poised at the moment. Coming into the
third session of day two, we had England on the ropes.
Matt and Tyler, we had him on the ropes. There
were seventy four for four, the now one hundred and
seventy four for four and they are playing bas ball.
Hard Olipope is fifty nine night out, Harry Brooker's fifty
four night out.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
Harry brook has been dropped twice.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
See, that's how you combat bas ball, because they're gonna
create chances. You've just got to you've got to take
your chant.

Speaker 25 (01:54:08):
Yeah, we didn't roll them over and double tap them
in the back of the head when I was seventy
four for four, unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
But look it's well advanced, as it always is when
they play bas ball.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
And that's why I love basball, because there's always going
to be a result. But even going back to that,
we were one nine to nine for three and at
that point you're thinking, come on, let's put some serious
points on them, Let's put some let's put them on
the back foot when they put us into bat and
all out for three hundred and forty eight. That was disappointing.

Speaker 25 (01:54:37):
Yeah, it was a little bit, but the average first
inning score at Hagley Oval is only two hundred and eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Yeah, no, no, I mister, you definitely take three forty
eight at the start of the game, you know when
you put in. But then if you get to that
position once again, it's the double tapping.

Speaker 25 (01:54:51):
Yeah that's right, but hey, good news. Nathan Smith on
debut debut, the right arm quick from Wellington.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
He's got two for forty six.

Speaker 25 (01:54:59):
He bolt his second Oval was one of the most
drama filled overs and he got he got his maiden
Test wicket. Then he bowled two no balls in a row.
He run up and then a clean bowl Joe route
and then they went to lunch and then they went
to lunch and he bought three balls the second over
and then he had to come back out again. But
he looks the goods, Nathan Smith. So it's it's gonna

(01:55:19):
it's delicately poised for a weekend of cricket.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Can people listen to the alternative commentary collective iHeartRadio.

Speaker 25 (01:55:25):
Just get on there and search for cricket. It's the
first option that will come up the alternative commentary collective.

Speaker 11 (01:55:30):
Get on it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Well, I might go down and dust off the old
microphone and do a bit of a sish with you guys.
Thank you so much, a Clay Welome, thank you for
listening to the Matt and Tyler afternoons.

Speaker 26 (01:55:41):
Everyone, what a week, have a great weekends, and give
them a taste of Key Weyler.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
For more from newstalkzt B, listen live on air or online,
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