Full Show Podcast: 30 April 2025

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Speaker 4 (01:10):
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Speaker 3 (01:12):
Good afternoon. So you welcome into the show on this
Wednesday afternoon. I hope you're doing swimmingly where if you're
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Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, good afternoon, you great New Zealanders. Good afternoon, Tyler.
I'll get a fantastic show for you.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
You know sometimes you get a compliment, but it's actually
an insult.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
So at the start of this week, I thought, you
know what I'm going to start doing. I'm going to
start wearing a nice shirt every day. Not amazing shirt,
just a nice shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's a solid it's a solid smart sedule.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, not coming in with a singlet on or just
a tea yea. And everyone's been I've had so many
compliments from people saying, oh my god, you look so smart,
you look absolute lovely. Jeez, you're handsome, you look absolutely amazing.
We had the boss who came running in.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
The Big Boss, Stanley, the Big Boss.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Came running in to just say, how good I lot.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah. The first thing he said was Keeper's mate, Yeah,
put a shirt on, you're looking good.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
So I'm choosing today that as an insult because that's
saying if I just dress as other people do, yeah, normally,
and the way that you normally dress. I get huge
amounts of compliments, which is suggesting to me that people
thought that I had dressed like absolute scum before that.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
You had the bar pretty low, you know when you
first started. Yeah, you came in with Jandles shorts sometimes
as singlets. Yep, and now look at you like a
million bucks. So there you go. There's another compliment that's
not got a compliment.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I choose to take that as an insult.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Do you do your own ironing as well? Say that's
a very well ironed shirt.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I don't do an ironing.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
There's no surprises there. Right on to today's show, after
three point thirty as part of our US the Expert
series that we do every Wednesday, We've got Mark veddie
Back here is an animal behavior expert. And if you've
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in your household, and doesn't have to be cats or dogs,
can be any sort of animal. He is the man
to chat to. Always very popular.

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It could be an iguana.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, if you've got a got a lizard that's doing
some weird things.

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As when you try and think of an animal. So
I could come up to the guard it could be.

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A rabbit, guinea pig, a guinea PA's a lot of
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You're done with flat pack furniture mat.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I was just thinking about this the other day. I
don't want and we're just reading about how Akira opening
up a care and look, I know they make quality
flat packs, but I'm done with it because I've just
put a flat pack and about a year ago, and
it's all of the roller is already coming off. All
I want to do now is go and buy. I'm
going to call it generational cabinet tree.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
I want to go to a real cabinet maker who
makes a cabinet beautiful. I don't know mahogany, who cares
what it's made out of, but it's quality and it
lasts for years and years and I don't have to
put it together.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
Yeap.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
That's the thing you can leave in your will too.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, this is right.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, So I want.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
To know about who are they? Who are the generational
cabinet makers in New Zealand? And I want to start
an anti flat pack movement.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yep, it's going to be good.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
It's you know. And if you are a flat pack maker,
then make it for me and deliver it on the
back of the truck.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
That is half to three o'clock after two o'clock, ticking
up a holiday on the mortgage, credit cards, buy now,
pay later. A growing number of travelers across the globe
and in New Zealander using services like buying now, pay
later to travel. Is that a good idea or bad idea?

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
A mate gave me a saying for this the other day.
Bank holidays. So you're going on a holiday, but you
haven't saved.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
Up for it.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
You're just hipping it on the mortgage or on the
credit card or on a pay later situation. Is that
the right thing to do?

Speaker 6 (04:46):
Is that?

Speaker 8 (04:46):
Really?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
You know, making your future self pay for your holiday
right now? Is that the way to do it? And
we want to look at the other dimension on this,
and it's the triangle of health, time and money.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
And when you're young, you have health, but you often
don't have time or money. When you're older, you might
have the time and the money, but you don't have
the health exactly. So it was it better just to
blow all your money now and run up a mortgage
when you're in your thirties, forties, fifties and pay it
off later or what what's the best way to do it?

Speaker 9 (05:14):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
We're going to get into that after two o'clock because
right now, let's have a chat about congestion charging. So
the Government's Land Transport Management Bill, it's currently open for
public submissions and councils are looking to make their own submissions.
So this bill would effectively enable local councils to work
with m ZTA two design congestion charging schemes. One Totong
councilor he's called it a cash grab, Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown.

(05:37):
He is right behind the idea of a congestion charge.
But is this really the best way to pay for infrastructure?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, maybe it is, But my problem with it, and
I'd love to hear people's thoughts on this one hundred
and eighty ten eighty, But is it just that it
struck me the other day. I was trying to work
out why I'm against congestion charge, why I'm so avidly
against them, Well, why they make me angry? And it
just struck me that every solution to every problem that
we have in this country involves punching the same productive

(06:04):
members of society in the face. You want less traffic,
punish those who are driving to work. Every solution is
just taking more money from the productive people of our society.
So I just I think that's I'll put my finger
on why I'm against them. Yeah, because you've got to
come up with some solutions that don't involve just taking
money from the people that you're constantly taking money from.

(06:26):
And I know you'll go, Wow, who else is there
to take money from? But maybe just leave them alone? Yeah,
maybe maybe just leave it alone.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Just stop, yeah, stop with the cash grab. But no,
it's a fair point because those people who are driving
and peak our times, which is when this congestion charging
comes in. It doesn't happen at any other times of
the day. It is when people are going to work
and coming home from work. And what are those workers doing.
They are earning money, and they are earning tech money
going to government coffers.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
So you're quite right.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
It is targeting the very people we rely on to
keep society going.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, and we need more people going into towns to
spend money because you might say people will find other
forms of transport, but where are those other convenient forms
of transport to get people into town. What will happen
is people will just stay at home and then you
kick other people in the bollocks by hostpow jobs disappearing.
Cafes and restaurants and bars and lunch places will disappear

(07:19):
because people are just at home and they're getting all
their food from the supermarket. So then there's more working
class jobs going. So it just seems to me that
these congestion charges are just I think it's like an
easy solution. We need money to do this, we believe,
we believe that people are wasting too much time and cars,
But is it. I think it's more complicated than that.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Any council that brings in something like a congestion charge,
they're going to get an absolute kicking out. They most
of them, I think, are going to push this to
after the local body elections in October because any council
that puts in their submission saying yep, this is a
good idea. I think they're going to get booted out.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I call bollocks on Auckland. Transport congestion is projected
to cost the local economy two point six billion anally
from annually from twenty twenty six, including one point nine
billion and delays and seven undred million dollars in macro
economic losses. That's the mean the Deneathan, the Auckland example.
I call bollocks on that because working out how people

(08:17):
are productive is very hard. You can be productive in
your car or you may have any have a certain
amount of productivity in the day, and that hour you
sitting in the car just listening to the radio or
what are you doing. Yeah, then maybe that's a chill
period that comes you down and you're more productive when
you get to work. I think I think they're very
blunt analysis of what productivity is exactly.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
And then we talk about the modeling, So the quote here.
Modeling shows that successful time of use charging. Charging motorists
to travel on certain roads at peak times will encourage
people to change the time or mode of travel and
could reduce congestion by up to eight to twelve percent
at peak times. Yeah, I'm sure it does. But what
are those people going to do. They're going to be
working from home. They're not going to be spending money
at the local coffee shop and the CBD that side.

(08:56):
And we've done that, We've done the work from home
experience experiment and it turned out that it was a
bit of a disaster and even runs back in the
workplace now, thank god.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, hopefully people are back in the workplace. People should be.
We want more and more people back in the workplace.
This is terrible mental health and problems from socialization. And
people might think it's better to be at home, but
across time it's not. I mean, you do better at
work if you're in at work, even if you're more
even if the productivity was the same at home, the

(09:24):
perceived productivity is better at work. You're more likely to
get a promotion if you're around the person that can
promote you. So all these things that just push people
to stay at home, I call bollocks on on congestion charges,
but very good point that's just come through. As I
was saying, Geez, Matt, try taking it from the non
predictive productive members of society and see what you get.
I mean that is the catch twenty two.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
They don't have much to give to Yeah, oh eight
one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel about
the idea of a congestion charge? Is it the best
way to get the money to fund the infra structure
and roads or is there a better way to do it?
Love to hear your thoughts on this one.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Ah, You're just sick of being punched in the face
for cash over and over and over again, and you
being the solution to everyone else's problems.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
And it's good a bus one the big stories, the
big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
I'd be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about
congestion charges. There is a bill in the Select committee
stage at the moment from the government and it is
open for public submissions. But it would effectively allow councils
and n ZTA to work together to implement congestion charges
during peak times.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
And a Totonger counselor has slammed congestion charging down there
as a dirty cash grab. Do you believe it is
the same thing meyor Wayne Brown wants to subject it
on New zeal In New Zealand, what a class. I'm
from Dene.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
I'm sure he'd love to if I'd love to be
the mayor of News.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
If I wasn't from danneedan old, you could accuse me
of being Aucklander that describes Auckland as New Zealand. Wayne
Brown is suggesting to subject it on to Auckland drivers.
He's very very keen on it. But what do you
think about it, Peter, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (11:03):
Here you go.

Speaker 11 (11:04):
Yeah, I'm agree with you John totally. It's just another
cash grabber that's treating us like idiots. They just doing
the day, the councils, the governor that they want to
how can we get the money? I will bring this
like all they're doing is following other overseas policies as well,
exactly what they're doing. But the end of the day,
like you said, is I had a sister up on

(11:24):
Orc you sell out there for see, just retired recently
and he used to go around to avoid the you say,
so called motorways and there. If you're lucky enough to
do that, you just go around the back streets and
get around it so he can get around it. So
if you really put your your plan, your roots, you
can actually avoid the traffic to a degree. Not always,
but I still recognize that you gentlemen just said, is

(11:47):
that the government's saying you want growth from the city
right in this country. You want people, we want to
create businesses. And what they're doing is by restricting these
soholled times and they put them in places there is
from sevens or eight l eight there whatever time frames
they're going to put in. So all you're doing is
you're going to take You're going to stopeople from going

(12:08):
for today's businesses because they can't get there or whatever.
So you're actually probably going to end up shutting buses
and down.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Absolutely, So you're taking away those jobs. You know, people
that create things like they'll open a cafe, a lunch bar,
bars for people to go to afterworks restaurants. All that
stuff gets taken away, which is a whole nother level
of construction and a whole level of employment in the
hospitality industry as well. Because people in this beautiful utopian dream,

(12:38):
people will take public transport into work or they'll pay
the congestion charge whatever, they just won't. People will stay
at home and they'll go back to zoom and the
central cities will become ghost towns or businesses that are
in the central cities will move out to know the
fast suburbs and you just end up having no CBD.

(12:58):
And if you're like judging from my experience in Auckland
at the moment, it's pretty die down there in the CBD.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
But is that just because our public transport is rubbish,
it is not for for purpose. It's the horse before
the cart, right, is that they're trying to make parking
more expensive than Auckland CBD and extending it out on
where you have to pay, and then they want to
implement congestion judges.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
So all of these little lesson that's all a conspiracy
theory to make this city rail link look more successful
when it starts.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Oh yeah, which was incredibly expensive in the first place.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
But so there's some taxi here, says so everyone stays
at home in London because of the congestion charge. No,
because they have an incredibly functional public transport which we
just don't have.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
So people, would you be just on that, would you
be in favor of pumping some more money into public transport.

Speaker 11 (13:46):
Yeah, but until I think that's getting better up on
Auckland or Wellington and whatever. We all know the problem
is until if I go and stand out a bus
stop and I can guarantee that bus is going to
pack me up, they don't. Yeah, so people just forced
to use their car pretty much until they we have
a reliable transport system and or one thing, whatever city

(14:09):
it may be. Until that's resolved, forget about it. People
are just going to get fed up going to a
bus stop when they just they ain't there, or they
arrive half here. You've got to be at your workplace
at say, nine o'clock whatever, and you don't show up, Okay,
the bus will, the boss will. Maybe you wonder stand
and you please partly realize it's.

Speaker 12 (14:27):
Not your fault.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
It's not there's no way to run a business and
it's no way to be an employee. I'm sure on
both sides of that equation. It's yeah, you can't run
a society that way. Peter, you're quite right, thank you
very much. Of your phone call, Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Just on
the alternative, I would be more in favor of something

(14:48):
like tolls. And the reason I like tolls over congestion
charges is because it hits everybody. It's not reliant on
times of the day that, as you say, affects productive
members of society more than others.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
So a toll system and punishes, you know, stops the
collective experience of humans coming together.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yep, exactly. And a toll system has to offer an
alternative route that doesn't charge people. So if you don't
want to pay, and you want to add ten minutes
to your journey, you can do that. But what do
you say eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call? It's twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (15:22):
The operating allowance for the budget next month, which was
already tight at two point four billion, has been slashed
one point three. Former Finance Minister Stephen Joyce withers, would
you have done the same? And two is it foolish
or not?

Speaker 9 (15:32):
No, it's not foolish, and I probably would have done
something similar because there is a huge capacity to still
reduce the upwards trend of government spending. I'm assuming in
that move they've found quite a bit of waste and
they'll be able to do something with it.

Speaker 13 (15:45):
Do you believe the twenty nine surplus thing or not.

Speaker 9 (15:48):
I think it's a good goal. Of course, it's back
from where it was. But I'm down to be yeah.
I think you've got to have that at the target,
and a lot of it will depend on the state
of the world of comeo that in a couple of years.

Speaker 13 (15:57):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk zed.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
B News talk ed B. Very good afternoon to you,
and we're talking about traffic congestion charges. It is open
for submission, public submissions if you want to say, you
can do that on this government bill. But councils around
the country are deciding on their own submissions whether they
are for or in favor of this particular bill and

(16:22):
the ability to charge people for traveling at peak times
of the day.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Lionel says, Matt and what's his name, doesn't matter what
your name the other guy's name is. It's just Matt Heath.
We want is it Taylor's It's.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Mike oskme Lionel, Okay.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
What we want productivity and slam people at every turn
for trying to reproduce it. Remember, governments and councils produce nothing.
Sack transport management, get rid of cones and cycleways, open
up the roads. There you go. This Texas says you're
dead right, council of filthy scum. Well I didn't say that,
and it's stupid palms. I didn't say that either. They
keep creating tabs. Ask Brown where he plans to get

(16:57):
the two point five billion dollars to build and monitor
the charges.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Where did the English come into this one?

Speaker 9 (17:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
It was Pom's but.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, there you go. Good team trying to unpack
that one. Guys. In my view of congestion charge is
it admission by local authorities that they have not been
able to plan and build the necessary infrastructure to support
the population growth. They have allowed so in reality and
a mission of failure. Thanks Richard.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
It's funny though, because councils come and go and they
all seem to fail, and the current council is always
trying to well. Parts of a current council are trying
to solve problems of the past doren't they And one
of their solutions is these congestion charges. Linda, welcome to
the show. Your thoughts, Hi.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
Guys, how are you going? I live in west.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Auckland, good place, and a lot of.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
Our medical services are shipped out to Northull Hospital, right,
so we would have to drive to Noltural Hospital because
bus train whatever.

Speaker 14 (17:59):
Not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
You're good luck with that.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
Get to nor Shall Hospital. You have to pay for
your parking for maybe a fifteen minute visit, which is
probably going to take your an hour, to be honest,
drive all the way back. It's another forty minutes each
way you've all taken. What time your appointment is? Why
is that fair on the elderly, the handicapped, you know,

(18:22):
just because our hospital can't provide it on the side
of the bridge.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
And so how does that that? That does sound rough?
And how do you think a congestion charge would affect that?

Speaker 5 (18:33):
Well? I mean you've got your parking. I don't know
how much that is recently a lot, and you'd stick
a congestion charge on top of that. That's a lot
of people who are suddenly going to go. You know,
I can't afford to actually have my house looked at
at a hospital on the other side.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, and that is crazy. So what kind of I'm
not across the sorry Linda, but what kind of services
are only being provided on the on the North Shore
for West Auckland residents.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
It's it's a lot of them. If you've got like
a heart problem, you have to go to the North
Shore at least once for various tests surgery because all
of that's over on the shore. So pacemakers stense Ladi
blah blah, Yeah, gosh, I know that's what we used

(19:25):
to go over there for all the time. A lot
of cancer services as well.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, that sounds harsh. Yeah, I mean so then you'd
have to in the congestion charge, which would be limited time,
so to be around these peak times, you know, before
you know, in whatever hours, I don't know, seven to
nine am probably and then four thirty to six whatever
times that they decide to peak, and we'll probably slowly
creep it wider and wider once they get in there.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Like they weekends, the weekends are just as busy as
peak the peak house.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
And so someone that's needing to go over to go
to a hospital is going to be like either they
book and you know they need to take any appointment
they can get. But then that would be narrowed down
to bits that weren't going to affect peak time because
then they'd have to pay the congestion charge. Too many,
too many, too many people getting unduly attacked by this.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
If you ask me, well, then we talk about exemptions,
and this is when it gets really what I was
looking for.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Ye So I was saying unduly attacked. Too many exemptions
would be required to make it practical. In my opinion, exactly.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Love your thoughts on congestion charging, good idea
or stupid idea? It is bang on half past one.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I've got a question before you are nine to nine two.
Are you ready for it?

Speaker 9 (20:38):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
What number most congested city in the world is Auckland.
What number where does it sit in terms of the
most congested cities in the world.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I'm going to say ninth.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
See this is the problem. That answer is the problem,
and I'll tell you why next.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
HS talk said the headlines.

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(22:03):
See the rankings at ensid Herald Premium Back, Martin matt
Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we are talking
about this idea of congestion charges. There is a bill
before the Slik Committee as we speak. It is open
for public submissions. This bill would enable councils in NZTA
to work together to create what are effectively congestion charges.
They call it time of use charging, which will mean

(22:29):
if you're traveling in peak hours, you're going to get.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Stuck, okay before the break. I assh does Auckland rank
in terms of congestion in the world. Auckland ranks as
the seventy seventh most congested city globally, oh and the
most congested in New Zealand or Australia out of five
hundred cities. We're way down the two countries, a long
way down the list. Also, I mean a lot of
our congestion problems as our geography. We have a very

(22:52):
strange geography. We're on a very strange isthmus.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Skinny, skinny, weet, skinny lot of people.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Skinny, little situation with a few arteries coming in and
not really practical for setting up the kind of mass
public transport that would get people out of cars. Part
of me thinks that, and people will say this is
naive or stupid or whatever, and I love it. I
love it when you say that in nine two nine
two hit me hard. But I've just been watching a

(23:19):
lot on the latest advancements and autonomous vehicles, and I
think a lot of these decisions we make, and looking
back at the city rail link might be one of
those situations as well, where things are changing so fast. Technologically,
We've got AI that's evening out all of these problems
that we have and computing it a far increase rate
than we've ever had. I think we're not long from

(23:41):
a situation where cars will be autonomous, so far from
losing production. In productivity when you go to work. It's
much like when I worked in out of town in
the UK and I'd get work done on the train
on the way to work because you had Wi Fi
in there and you just jump onto it your table.
I think things are going to change really, really drastically
in the next five to ten years.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Well, we're already see it happening in some parts of
the world, right. And then if you've got autonomous vehicles
that are perfect in the world that they drive, that lessens
congestion substantially. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
The modeling done, oh, you see the modeling where every
car goes through intersection and they just merge through each other,
so no one ever has to stop that stuff. That
modeling is very, very very cool, But that's the future.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
I visit.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
You're sitting in your car, You'll get rid of the cockpit.
You'll be sitting on a table in the back of
your car. You'll be driving in getting your work done
before you get there. Quicken it before work. Yeah, yeah,
maybe sleep in the car as it goes in, you know,
get out of bed early, sleep in the car the
night before, do some work on the way to work,
get out, go to work, go to the pub and
then have a few drinks in the car on the
way home.

Speaker 15 (24:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Bring it on, it's out of there are utopia, Hey guys,
Based on the Totonga Guide, I think I was going
to be paying about twenty dollars a day if I
got my timing's wrong or need to go to a
supply before I get to work.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
One hundred dollars a week.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
That's from later times a week is crazy.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, need to scale back this traffic management, save money.
They are wasting it. They been twice as many, They
send twice as many people as they needed, and they
sit there and sleep until somebody finishes doing what their
job is, get paid all day, but put out too
many cones. You know that that what that where? You
know what they mean by that text. It's going off

(25:20):
the rails there. We get your point, get your point there.
If they were more if they were more practical with
the situation that they've currently got, maybe they wouldn't have
to punish US citizens.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
By with the congestion at the workers sitting on the space. Michelle,
your thoughts and you're coming in from Totonga.

Speaker 16 (25:40):
Yeah, I live just north of Chada, in a place
called Bohoya, which is about fifteen k's north. Now, we've
had to put up with the worst road congestion for
years since Omkara Peninsula has been developed. Yep, m z Ta,
I'm sorry to say for this corridor from here to
why he should be sacked. They have made our road

(26:03):
so much more dangerous. It's not even funny. They don't
consult with constituents. They seem to just think they're a
power into themselves. And the worst parts in what I
can assertain is the NPS can't do to the least
squat once they've made these decisions.

Speaker 17 (26:19):
M and so just congestion.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Sorry, carry on.

Speaker 16 (26:22):
Yet the congestion charge to me is bad management of
the NZTA agency and they need to be accountable.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, that's what it seems like. It seems like an
admission of failure. If you are having to charge people
to use roads that have already been built, then you've
made a mistake in the past, and then so you're
punishing people for the mistake to correct your mistake by
charging them, so then you will spend that money on
fixing their mistake. That's that's why it looks to me.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, but it's also Michelle, there's a little bit of
you know, the fact that local council has this ability
to pay for their own infrastructure outside of the state highways.
Then nz NCTA comes into the equation and local council
has to fund public trends. It's all just messy. I
mean that should all all infrastructure when it comes to
roading and transport, that should be done by one organization,

(27:16):
not multiple organizations that are thinking differently.

Speaker 16 (27:20):
Yeah, I agree. I mean the right Road No Right
Turn Debarkle where we had a select Rochelle.

Speaker 12 (27:29):
Who's been doing a great job and trying.

Speaker 16 (27:31):
To get the decision reversed where they had a select committee.
She'd an NZTA representative who advised us she was in
charge of all the state highways and couldn't answer one
question although she'd had a submission for six weeks to review.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, that is for you, full a lot of confidence. Well,
sorry about your experience there, Michelle. Sounds like a massive
punish Matt and whatever the other guy's name is and
other texasp Mike, you're getting better on when we're going
to when are we going to hear some of these
leaders say, we the government Council, we the government slash
council have screwed up for years. We're scrapping the highest salaries,

(28:10):
commission taking an arbitrary twenty five percent pay up across
the board. I think there'd be a while before before
you hear that. Yeah, pulled your thoughts on congestion charges.

Speaker 18 (28:23):
Yeah, be about three or four weeks.

Speaker 19 (28:25):
Anything else drop of my plate.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, I think I was quite today, mate, We were
quite fascinated with that conversation.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
But what were you doing there? Pool? Was it a
drive through? You're ordering some chicken? What was going on there?

Speaker 18 (28:37):
No, we were we were going to the cargo with
the prince to get a prescription. And we pulled up
at the at the parking meter to get a you know,
you only been about five minutes to get a air prescription.
And this group meater made chila and then cargo couple
off took a number plate. Oh and then she blimbered,

(29:00):
Sea Rod, I'll give you ten minutes if you're not out.
It's a seventy dollars fight.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Wow, drama. Wow, that was far more than I was expecting.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
Oh.

Speaker 18 (29:09):
Then she said, you've got to tip your number in
these stupid new machines they got down the end. I'm
wonder people don't shop and see the city. You know,
it's just too expensive. Did you get time?

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well, and so you're in the for cargo Paul and window.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Oh wondo, good place.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
So congestion charges. Congestion charges wouldn't be high on your
radar of concerns.

Speaker 18 (29:34):
No, not down here. But I traveled Auckland frequently, so
I sort of know what you're talking about it.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, and what are your what are your thoughts?

Speaker 18 (29:43):
Oh, it's shocking, you know, I'd hate to be in
business nowadays. You know, it's just it's not fear, it's
getting worse too, because if I eventhing online, that's my theory.

Speaker 11 (29:54):
Yeah, they want to get.

Speaker 18 (29:55):
Rid of the shops and put everything on the internet.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, totally, Paul. That's another angle to it. So if
you're stopping people coming into the you know, you're punishing
people for driving into town to go to work, which
is basically what you're doing, and making people go in
at different times whatever. But when if they're trying to
avoid the congestion charge, if they can, then that just
stops people shopping in town, picking things up, and it

(30:18):
just more and more business, retail business goes online, which
is currently a big problem for New Zealand. How quickly
things are shifting away from buying things off New Zealand
businesses and buying them from overseas businesses and just importing
them straight from the TMU and the like. So it
just all adds up to punishing businesses that employ people,

(30:40):
and punishing businesses that build things, and punishing and preventing
communities from growing in CBDs and and all these things
that we believe are good and all the reasons why
cities actually exist in the first place. I just get
punished by things like congestion charges and people say, oh,
it'll be more efficient to get freight around and such,

(31:01):
we all the freight that it will be more efficient
to get around? Will people getting t MoU products delivered
to their house in the suburbs?

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Exactly? I mean interesting test case and Nelson where Nelson
CBD has struggled considerably. Where Richmond, which is about ten
minutes fifteen minutes outside of Nelson, but Richmond offered free
parking and Nelson refused to offer the free parking. And
what do you think happened? Richmond now is the shopping
mecher for most people.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Nelson sucked the Nelson there. Hey, Paul, I think do
we need to let you go see before you get
the ticket? Because how long did you give you?

Speaker 9 (31:34):
No?

Speaker 18 (31:35):
I but would she give me two bitues?

Speaker 3 (31:38):
But yeah, all right, you're pushing seven minutes with us now, Paul,
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
We've better let you go. Yeah, right, mate, We don't
want you to get a ticket on our on our account.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
You're a good man. Paul. Oh eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. How do you feel about congestion charging?
Silly idea or does it have merit? It is sixteen
too two?

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Someone says Matt and Franciscas just stop winging and moved
to a smaller town. Is it Francisca?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
What is it?

Speaker 6 (32:04):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Taylor?

Speaker 3 (32:05):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Tyler? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Jeremy Wells a fresh take on Talkback. It's Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
News TALKSB. We've been talking about congestion charging. Good idea
or bad idea?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Hey, Tyler and whoever that punisher is that you work with? Yes,
I missed what number Auckland was on the congestion scale. Well,
I don't know who Tyler is, but we are in Auckland,
seventy seventh most congested city in the world, based on
probably some kind of dodgy metric. I mean that, That's
my whole point with all these things like what about
this in this In Wayne Brown's you know, lust for

(32:47):
a congestion charge in Auckland, the average Auklander had expected
to lose more than seventeen hours per year to traffic
totally in twenty nine million hours city wide, it's not
much seventeen hours to traffic.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
And again, I mean there is an argument there that
that's all.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
We must have got that one wrong. Yeah, and I'm
sure people are losing more than seventeen hours. It means
what you define as losing time and traffic. So that's
how much faster it would be under a conducing charge
of it, guess.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
But you could argue that that is part and parcel
of being in a sizable city. In Auckland is a
sizable city. You know, in terms of the population that
you should expect to have some sort of congestion some
time and traffic to get from A to B. That
is just part and parcel across the world. No city
has figured it out.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, and I call into question that time in your
car is not productive. I call bollocks. People can be
productive in.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Cars, definitely.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
They can make calls, Yep, they can think about the
day ahead. I'm always thinking about the day ahead when
I'm driving into work. That's when I put everything into place.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
That's your thinking time.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
A little bit about that. I was thinking a little
bit about that, a lot about sport. The analysis. I
think it's a shallow look at how people live their lives,
and you can come up with these strategies saying this
is productivity. But there's also in my own belief that
there's only so many hours in a day that a
lot of people are productive. Say you're working in an office,
there's only so many hours that you're actually productive. And

(34:05):
if you're in the car, maybe you're doing some of
the thinking, maybe you're not. We only get four hours.
I think that that that straight raw numbers as rubbish,
and what you actually do is the really productive people
that you can define how productive they are. Tradings and such. Yeah,
are going to be screwed by this because they have
to pay to do it. You know, they have to
pay to go in and then saying we'll get you

(34:27):
quicker rubbish.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
It's going to cost us all. If trade is a pain,
then we've got to pay those trading condition charges at
the end.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
But Chris, I think you disagree with us, I do good.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Hit us with it.

Speaker 19 (34:38):
Yeah, bring it on, bring on the condition charge.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (34:41):
I live.

Speaker 19 (34:42):
I live north of Auckland then Rodney, so you know
our rate. We pay an exorbit amount of rates and
I get a recycling bent and a bit of gravel
truck on my road a couple of times a year
and that's it. So if it means getting our roads
tidied up a bit better, or maybe even getting them sealed.

Speaker 12 (35:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Well, I would say Chris, that that's more of a
split Rodney from Auckland situation. I don't think Rodney should
have ever been part of the super city thing. That's
your problem right there.

Speaker 19 (35:11):
Yeah, that's that's a whole lot.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I mean, that's a bit of a could have should
such such a situation. But I absolutely agree with you
the needs of Rodney are very, very different from the
needs of the inner suburbs of Auckland City.

Speaker 19 (35:26):
Yeah yeah, pretty muche Well what.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
About what about toll roads over congestion charge? And as
I said before, Chris, the thing I don't like about
congestion charge, it just focused on one particular or to
times of the day.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Well, Chris will be hitting some some tolls coming into Auckland,
won't you, Chris.

Speaker 19 (35:43):
Yeah, we've got the one. I think they're talking about
bringing another one in when they build a motorway extension.
So you know, I mean, toll roads are good because
they stay fuel and they do save time as well,
and they're there all the time, so you know, you're
stuck with it, and it brings in your infrastructure, which
is great. Yeah, the congestion charge is again a targeted

(36:07):
charge and you can avoid it well at different times.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Well, some people can avoid it, some some people can't.
And arguably if people do avoid it and things get
missed up and move around, then it's the little businesses
in town that pay the price. But hey, thank you
so much for your call, Chris, and yeah, split Rodney
from the super city. Split Rodney from the super city.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yea back of the It is nine to two.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Matd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eighty. It's
mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks be.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
So joining us now is Nick legged Infrastructure Ends' CEO neck.
We've only got a short time, but you're in favor.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Give us, give us the quick seal on these disgusting conjuctions.

Speaker 14 (36:56):
Just to throw it into the mix lot. New Zealand
is not a wash with great infrastructure, right, and we're
not a wash with the cash to pay for you infrastructure.
The best and most equitable way to build new stuff
and maintain the roads that we already have is to
charge users a little bit to and put that back
into the system, right, we need to improve the quality

(37:18):
so cars and people can move faster. And also we've
also got to have better public transport. And so creating
revenue to pay for stuff is the thing that congestion
charging will do. And yet it checks behavior, it charges
the real cost. Because there is this view in New Zealand.
You know, we're very open and you know, and we
can move around. There's a view that everything's kind of free,

(37:39):
and it's not.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Well, in a minute, were already you don't think we're
being text enough.

Speaker 14 (37:44):
Well, it's not about this is a charge not a tax.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Well what's the difference. But if you're still taking money
out of people's product pockets our taxes.

Speaker 14 (37:50):
Yeah, but we've got what we New Zealanders have high
expectations for services. We've got high expectations that things work
when we want them to, and that costs money. So
we're slipping behind in terms of our economic growth, in
our productivity. We know that we've got to have really
good transport, we've got to have really good infrastructure, and

(38:11):
that costs money. So if we want to be a
highly productive, wealthy country and stay at the top, we
have to invest some of it.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Isn't it just punching the same people in the face
over and over again financially. So you've got the productive
people that want to drive to work and do a
job and pay their taxes, and they always seem to
the people that have to put their you know, open
up their wallets to help out the situation.

Speaker 14 (38:32):
Who would you be charging? Who would you be if
you're not charging the people that use things? Who would
you be charging? I mean, would you be charging to
need and tax payer?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, I would say, I would say the argument. I'd
say the argument It gets to the point where it's
unfair because you keep charging the same people and when
you say who do you charge? Or you can't just
keep charging people and charging people and charging people for
what we what you want to do in the country.

Speaker 14 (38:55):
At the moment, we're not charging them. People have pretty
I mean, there are only three toll roads in the country.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
And we are charging them tax. So we do charge
petrol tax on our petrol. We charge on a lot
of things. So we are charging people at the moment.

Speaker 14 (39:08):
And we don't have enough money in the system to
pay for what we need. I think that charging the
fairest way of doing it is to charge people a
bit more who use things.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Okay, well, thanks so much, thank you. We have to
let you go.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
So there was a bit tight, Nick. We've run out
of time. You're a good man, Nick, and we'll have
to get you on for a bit more of an
extended chat on that one. But thank you very much
for everyone who phoned in text. We're going to change
tech after two o'clock. We want to talk about picking
up the holiday on the credit card or the mortgage.
Good idea or bad idea.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I feel a bit bad about that, Nick, we ran
out of time. You're making some good points out there.
We're worth arguing.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Oh, we'll get them back for sure. One hundred percent. Oh,
one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
It is News.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Time talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
It'd be good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Welcome back into the program.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Just before we move on to the next topic, we
had a quick chat with Nick leg it off air,
and we will get them back. We're a bit tight
for time with our tails.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
We were riving up for a on congestion charges and
then the news started, so we had to let him go. Yeah,
so that felt a bit rude, didn't it. But he
was a bit untidy, yeah, Tyler, and I blame your
time meggage management for the hour. Could you not get
him on five minutes before you got him on two
minutes and thirty seconds? How im I supposed to have
a discussion with something.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
I just thought you'd be more efficient and more productive
with the three minutes allocated to you. But he is
keen as muster to come in studio in the near future.
This isn't a conversation that's going to go away anytime soon,
so we might open it up to the floor as well,
aka you our dear listeners. So that is the future.
We'll get back to that, yes, because right now, let's
have a chat about ticking up the holiday on your

(40:44):
mortgage or the credit card or indeed, as many people
are doing, buy now, pay later, So a growing number
of travelers around the country, around the world and here
in New Zealand are using buying our Pay later services
to pay for flights, hotels and cruisers and installments in
some cases with no interest or late fees. A lot
of these people say that they are using this service

(41:06):
because a lot of these trips are for life events, marriages,
last minute holidays to Japan.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, well, what I want to talk about here is
bank holidays. A friend of mine came up with the
saying the other day because he was talking to a
huge amount of friends that were going had plans trip
to the Islands, European trips, people going to Japan, and
then when you ask them how you go, how can
you afford that? And they go, oh, we're just having
it on our mortgage, And he said, that's a bank holiday.
So I want to talk about the whether that's sensible

(41:36):
or not, whether you should just be ticking up your
holiday for the future because you do it now, you
go away, you have a great time. Sure, but you're
going to have to pay that back. So is that
just selling out your future self for you for right
now or should you do the old school way? So
me and my partner, we're going on a holiday overseas
in a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Do you know what we're doing, tyler? Do you know
what we're doing? Dear listeners, You've got a wee piggybank.
We're starting a little wee piggybank and we're putting coins
in it.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yeah, well that is really old school. I love the
idea of big bank. I know it's a digital pig,
it's a virtual.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
It's a savings you're putting away savings money every week
until we can afford to go on this little holiday.
You know that. Isn't that the right way to do it?
Or is the bank holiday? Can you truly enjoy a
holiday if you know that you're just racking up more
and more and more debt when you sit there, and

(42:29):
you know, if you go on a holiday, when you're
over the essay, you're in Europe. Say, let's just say
you're in Italy, right, because that's where we're planning to go.
So you're in Italy and then you're out for dinner,
and you always go, well, how often are we in Italy?
So you spend more money? How often away in Italy?
We're going and do this? Normally we wouldn't spend this
insane amount of money on this, but how often are
we over here? So whatever holiday money you spend blows

(42:50):
out by about three times. So maybe you have the
original a f IS and accommodation and such on your mortgage,
you will then blow out your credit cards whatever. After
pay your doing, you'll blow that out as well. You'll
end up spending so much more. So does that make
your holiday less enjoyable because you know that you get
to be your future self is going to be grinding

(43:10):
a way to pay it back with interest.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Well, it's a great point because the last thing you
want to be doing is worrying about your finances when
you're on holiday, because then you think, oh, we've only
got a couple of thousand left, and maybe we shouldn't
go out for dinner tonight, even though it's this beautiful
Italian restaurant that we've dreamed about and talked about. You
may as well tick it up because that's less stress
in the interim, rather than arguing about, oh, we're spending

(43:33):
too much money on this holiday. You're on holiday, you
should be enjoying yourself.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, and there's another side to us though. There's another
side to this, and it's the idea that you go
on holiday. Now, well, okay, you don't know what's going
to happen in your life. You might get hit by
a bus yep and may not have to pay off
your mortgage. You might get unhealthy and not be able
to you know, you may not pass away, but you

(43:59):
might not be healthy enough to enjoy a holiday in
the future. So there's the other school where you just
burn it now, you just go now, and damn the
future because this future is uncertain. Yeah, what as certain
is here and now, So tick it up on the mortgage,
have all the great times in the world. And look,
maybe you'll get lucky and you don't have to pay
it back because you're hit by a bus. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
I mean that scares the hell out of me, but
I kind of like it. And there I listened to
a guy. He's written a book called Die with Zero,
and his name's Bill Perkins. But he advocates just for that,
and he mentions, here are we stats. So for the
heads of a households between the ages of seventy to
seventy four, the median net worth is two hundred and
twenty five thousand dollars. That is the peak for most people.

(44:41):
But of course by the time you hit seventy to
seventy four, that is too late for many to enjoy
some of life's most fulfilling experiences. So he advocates, as
the book says, die was Zero, but also don't save
too much, which is weird advice. But what he's advocating
for is spend your money while you're young and limber
and you can do those things that you want to do,

(45:02):
rather than wait until you're in your seventies and you
can't do them anymore.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
It's the triangle. There's a famous triangle people talk about.
There's three things you've got. You've got time, you've got money,
and you've got your health. And when you're young, you've
got your health. You've got very little money and very
little time. Well, there's this period where you've got a
bit of money, got no money, and some time when
you're young. It's a small window though, Yeah, and then

(45:27):
in your late twenties and thirties and into your forties,
you may have money, but you don't have time, and
you do have your health. But you can get to
the situation where you're quite a bit older if you
wait and wait and wait and wait and wait till
you spend your money on these holidays. You might have
the time and the money, but you don't have the
health to enjoy it. You know, it's harder to get
round when you're in your late seventies. You know, if

(45:49):
you hold off your whole life until you're seventy before
you go on this trip. Maybe you don't get to experience.
Maybe you can't make it up to much you pitch
you you know, maybe maybe you don't have the physical
ability to joy the holidays you should. So really that's
a question. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Bank Holidays
A wise idea holdays, I mean borrowing the money to

(46:10):
go on a holiday or is the old school save
up and only go when you've got the money the
way to go.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yeah, give us a bus O. Eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
And there's the other part of this, of course, which
is skiing, which is spending your kids inheritance. Because more
and more people I hear from my friend's parents and
they're all saying, you're not getting anything. Yep, we're spending
it all.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
I agree with that. Spend it.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
You're not getting a cent your kids, So don't wait
because we're going to spend it all skiing. Don't worry
about the kids.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
They can earn their own money. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It's thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Wow, your home of afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Be.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Good afternoon. We're talking about ticking up a holiday or
travel on your mortgage. Good idea or do you do
the Matt Heath root which is traditional and many people
would say wise is have we digital piggybank and save?

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yes, save and when you've got the money to go,
so that's when you go on your holiday, mash it open.
You just don't tick it up on mortgage and essentially
tasering your future self. That's what you're doing. Really, you're saying,
I want to go on holiday now future Tyler, you
can pay for it. Yeah, that's what you're saying. When
you do that, Tyler. But as you men before, and
when you have your holidays on your mortgage.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
You could save all the money in the world and
you'll still overspend when you go on holiday because there'll
be things that you didn't think about that you want
to do.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, we're calling them a bank holiday when you get
the bank to pay for your holiday rather than saving
for it.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Craig your thoughts, Yeah, I think I agree with you.

Speaker 17 (47:42):
Met I I'd rather retire a but earlier, maybe in
my sixties early sixties, and rather than pay off a
lot of head when I was younger, when until I'm
seventy five.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah, but just with the idea, Craig that when you're eighty,
you've still got the ability, hopefully to maybe do a
little bit of work or still payoff off whatever det
you've got. But you're not going to be skydiving, and
you're not going to be I'm in up killiman Jarro,
and you're not going to be doing some of those
physical things.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Does that come into a dull for you?

Speaker 17 (48:16):
I guess so. I mean, I'm probably lucky enough to
have done a few things when I was younger, but
so I don't have a burning desire for some of
those things.

Speaker 12 (48:24):
But yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 17 (48:26):
I just reckon. Yeah, being forced to work to your
older just because you had a you know, especially holiday,
I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Is it imperative in life? I've been having this discussion
with people to holiday overseas to have a good life.
Is that really imperative or is it just as good
to get a tent and go down to the beach
in New Zealand compared to the damage you do to
your life, Craig by spending an insane amount of money
by going to the most beautiful place, I don't know,

(48:55):
let's pick grease as a place or whatever, lovely, The
damage you do to your life in terms of how
later you have to retire and how much work you
could do. Isn't this holiday home almost as good? Isn't
it ninety percent as good as going overseas?

Speaker 17 (49:09):
It depends on your personality and your income, I suppose,
But yeah, I mean for me, I hollidat homes all good?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Yeah, all right?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Think if you call Craig and good luck with your
early retirement.

Speaker 12 (49:20):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Not all people who are sixty five plus are past
traveling and having a good time, You pair of clowns. No, No,
you're a pair of clowns. That one person because we
didn't say that. We did not say that people over
sixty five. Were saying that there are times in your
life when you have time, money, and health. Yeah, and

(49:41):
you're more likely to have money and health when you're younger.
You're just more likely to. But there are definitely people
that can travel over sixty five and seventy five. And look,
my dad's eighty. He's in tip top shape. You should
see him doing the lawns down.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
It is croquet god farmer stock though, wasn't it your dad?
Oh he's just good stock all round, good heath stock.
Oh strange you didn't pass it on to me. See
the world in your backyard as you were saying, man,
oh yeah, don't leave downs, you've seen the country.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Chris. Your thought on bank holidays or saving up in advance.

Speaker 12 (50:14):
Yeah, I a long a while ago said what are
my life goals? I guided him on holidays. So every
year I plan a year out, and what I try
and do is pay for everything apart from general spence
before I go. So if there's big ticket items, book
those before you go, book your accommodation, obviously your flights,

(50:36):
and always have a year out. So I go away
in eight week time and then I've already started playing
next April trips, so by the time it comes around,
I've got savings to spend for that to days. That
with everything else is paid for. If we did New York,
we paid for absolutely everything, so all I had to
do was spend beer, money and food.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
How much do you how much do you mind me?
If you don't mind me asking how much are you
putting aside a week in your saving.

Speaker 12 (51:04):
Yeah, I mean it's not possible for everyone, but to fifty.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Fifty yeah and so and that with two fifty a week,
that that adds up to a holiday once a year.
Are you saying, oh.

Speaker 12 (51:16):
Yeah, at least one from me too?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
All right?

Speaker 12 (51:19):
You know we're not we're not going five star and
things are getting back on an even keel, now you
know you can. I've just looked at a New Zealand
fight since you plan next April. That's eighteen hundred dollars
return already booked. The accommodation in Tokyo. That's twelve hundred
dollars to six sights, which is two hundred dollars, which
is a dollar dodgy B and B country in New Zealand.

(51:44):
So you know, by the time it comes around the
next April, everything will be paid for. The Mario karts
around Tokyo.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
I've done that stuff, hey, Chris, of you, Hey Chris,
have you have you done those Marrio cuts before?

Speaker 6 (51:59):
No?

Speaker 12 (51:59):
I haven't. I'm done you ban yet.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
All right, So I've done those marriokrats around Tokyo, and
that is freaking terrifying. But that's fun because you get out.
You're on these tiny little carts that are so close
to the ground. You're in amongst trucks. You're going around Tokyo.
You have your you have your your tour guide that's
out in front. You've got to keep up. You'll go
through an intersection, right, You've got to follow him through, dodging.
I was basically nearly under a Lorry truck at one point.

(52:23):
It's it's an incredibly good time. But one thing you
need to remember, Chris, when you're over there is that
honking your horn in Japan is considered incredibly rude. So
you go to Tokyo, you hardly ever hear a horn.
You've got this town of forty million people, the city
of forty million, but you hard to hear a horn.
And so a bunch of people were waving at us
because we dressed up in these Mario costumes and these

(52:43):
Mario carts blasting around the streets of Tokyo. We honked
our horns to saylo, and our tour guide was like no, no, no,
no no, and it pulled us over and goes, no, no,
no no, do not honk your horn. It's the equivalent
of flat, equivalent of giving people the finger doing that.
That's just a little bit of a vice Criss, but
it's a it's scary, but it's a great time.

Speaker 12 (53:07):
Oh yeah, when you hit seventy, your traveling insurance goes up,
Your hard car haigher costs go off. You know when
you take these boxes for you as soon as you
get over sixty five, mate, everything goes through the roof.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
So getting done early, Well, there you go, thanks to
your care Chris.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
But just on that point, Chris, that that you're doing
all these wonderful things and you're you're saving up and
the strategy is perfect. But does he not a part
of you that thinks maybe you should have spent some
of that money a little bit earlier in your life,
before you get those added costs of travel insurance and
just your ability to to have that endurance, if you
know what I mean.

Speaker 12 (53:44):
Yeah, Well, I've got an ambition to do one hundred
countries before a day. I'm on fifty five now, which
means I've got to do all the Pacific islands and
the local ones.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Get older, check them up, take the easy ones up.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Yet put it on the mortgage.

Speaker 12 (53:57):
Yeah, absolutely fifty five, you know, after a fair bit
of trouble.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Yeah, yeah, hey, And you know you say that you
save up and you have all the money in advance.
But the thing I was talking about before is that
overseas bending when you get somewhere, you just spend like
it's nothing else because you're going, well, we're not here
very often, we're on holiday. Just spend up or do
you manage to just keep it tight for the whole time.

Speaker 12 (54:20):
I wouldn't say tight, but you know, I went to
the States in January and four beers and the shop
is one hundred news even dollars because of the exchange rates.
So you have to be careful because if you look
at a US dollars the same as a news event dollar,
you'll be skinned pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, that's right. Although the exchange rate's looking pretty good
for Australia at the moment. If you're looking to go
over I think we're in ninety three cents.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Yeah, as of today, it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Thanks for your call, Chris. I appreciate that. Notice everyone
saves to achieve desired goals rather than generate higher income.
New Zealand has a roadblock towards success, and most callers
are stuck in the employee based living. Interesting. Yeah, so
if I can understand what that text are saying, as
you should instead of investing on these luxuries, you should

(55:06):
be reinvesting in yourself and treating yourself as an ongoing
concern in terms of your future money making.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
It's not as fun as Mario carts. There was a hundred.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Seriously, those Mario carts were of those terrifying things.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
It looks amazing, a great time.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Can't believe that a nerdy country like New Zealand and
Japan is quite safety conscious actually to be rid very safe.
I can't believe it's I can't believe it's illegal. You
managed trying to get one past some a council in
New Zealand being able to do that.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
They actually look like Mario karts the game that's been on.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
And you dressed up in the costume.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Did they give you the costumes?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, they give you the costumes and the little Mario
karts and you blast around Tokyo at pace.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
But I slipped behind because I was waving at these
people that were waving at us, and then I realized
that everyone else and the tour goat had already gone
through the intersection. I don't want to get lost, so
ran it on an orange nearly ended up under a
truck with some logs.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
I'm putting that on the mortgage eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Is it a good idea to tick up holiday? It
is twenty five past two.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news Talk said.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Afternoon, we're talking about ticking the holiday up on the mortgage.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, that's right. Were calling them bank holidays. More and
more people are just getting into debt to go on
their holidays. Is that a wise thing? Or should you
do the old school, honest way of saving up before
you go?

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:32):
All right, Why should future Matt pay for today's Matt's holidays?

Speaker 3 (56:36):
We'll just make it, Yeah, make it Matt's problem in
the future.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Tack it up, says Jerry.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
I'm with you, Jerry.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
This one says tick it up your losers? Who cares
about your future? Self? Ticket ups? Is this other text?

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Yeah? Well, this one did say twenty thousand dollars at
five point five percent would equate to one thousand and
one hundred and fifteen dollars per year that you're paying back. Ah,
we've done the mess there on ticking it up on
the mortgage.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Okay, all right, there you go, Jonathan. You saved for
a trip.

Speaker 11 (57:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (57:05):
So I'm an immigrant, so I haven't been back home
doing eleven years and finally probably this year I'll be going.
It took me about eleven years to save up because
my wife I was the only birdwinner for about eight
and a half nine years, and my wife recently went
back to work. So and you have a mortgage at

(57:25):
the moment, but I would never go on a trip
based on, you know, taking up on a mortgage.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Now, how much how much do you do? If you
don't mind me asking, how much do you think the
holiday will cost or the trip him will cost?

Speaker 20 (57:40):
My tink is a long cost in about ten two
twelve grand for two of us and three children and
probably spending money over there, and you know moving around
should be another five or seven k. So you are around
about twenty k, I would say.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
And so eleven years ago you decided to start saving up,
So you've saved that entire time.

Speaker 20 (58:00):
But more we saved that entire time. Wow, the entire time.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Well, that's a long game, so it must be exciting
that it's coming frustion pretty soon.

Speaker 20 (58:10):
True, Yes, it is the only vacasion my wife gets
is probably a mat on the strip. There is share
the once at the moment, because you know, the strip
was really important to me being back home after a
very long time. But yeah, my advice was never to
be just for occasion to go to dip into the morgage,
which is you're digging yourself into a bigger hole.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah, and you don't think you'll be tempted when you're
over there because you've saved up your money to go, well,
we're back home, this is the first time eleven years,
and splash out some more money and go into a
little bit of dit just because you're over there.

Speaker 20 (58:44):
Now, I'm uncome conservative. I would say, I'm into finance,
so I really want to pay my cards closed there. Yeah,
I not get myself into dead just because of having
fun for maybe four weeks, five weeks. It doesn't make
you know, you could always do it later.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Well, thanks so much for your call, Jonathan. There you go.
I respect that eleven years of savings, not like millennials
like you Tyler with your after pay and your bloody
yeah worry about the future later, and your laissez fair
attitude to saving.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Well, I take my head off to Jonathan. I mean
that is phenomenal, saving up for eleven years and very wise.
I mean, I think most people who are good with
finances will say that's the thing to do. But if
you want to put lifelong experiences ahead of saving for
the so called golden years, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah,
that is this mentality that you save and save and
save and save until you get to retirement. And at

(59:34):
that point you've got all this money to go and
do whatever you want, but by that stage you might
not be able to do it.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Well, Michelle agrees, go for it. You never know what's
around the corner. I've had a couple of friends die
of cancer, and once that happened, I was off every
year a big holiday. Life can be cruel. Yeah, I mean,
you don't know what's going to happen. So if it's
your dream holiday, you know it might never happen if
you don't take the risk now.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
And no one's doing Mario Kart at seventy five, I mean,
just judging on your experience, it sounded terrified at how
old were you when you did it?

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was dangerously hungover.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Thank you very much, Ray Lane.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
We're talking about the prevalence of bank holidays right now,
which is people ticking up their holiday, having it on
the mortgage, having it on the credit card, having it
on the after pay and enjoying life. Now, is that
a good idea? Or should you save up the old
school way which I'm trying to convince my partner to do.
Save up for a holiday in a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Yep, you're putting a bit of a money away now
for a trip to Italy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Well talking about starting maybe putting that way yep, yep.
So we've had the conversation that we might stop put
in the main we haven't actually started yet. Yeah. Anyway,
So this Texas says so let's get this straight. Matt
you drive around Tokyo and a cart dressed up as Mario,
honking at people, and you wonder why Texas called you
a cloud. Next time you should take your sidekick Tyler?

Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Tyler?

Speaker 6 (01:02:21):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I how many names of a canul today?

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
And you could do it properly with full makeup and
a sidecar with one of those squeezy horns.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Yep, I'd like that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Would you do that with me? Tyler?

Speaker 9 (01:02:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Absolutely? And Matthew, you're invited to dear text you can
come along. This would been a great time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
That's worth ticking up onto your mortgage where of us
will go?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
That is good?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Absolutely call it. The point is a trip cost a
minimum of ten thousand dollars plus. Saving that on average
New Zealand income takes one to two years hard saving
that can be made in a month affiliates selling a
good product online? Who was right? The savers or those
who work a little harder to earn more. Those who
put it on tick and come home to work it off,
are close to as bad as the student loan scammers

(01:03:02):
who take out the loan then skip New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Yeah, it's fair enough. I don't know about the affiliate
selling though. That kind of turned into a bit of
an influencer plug. All right, well, I don't know what
does that mean. Yeah, aff it's selling online.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Well, if there's anyone out there that wants me to,
I'll get in a bikini when I go to Italy
and post some pictures if someone wants to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
You know, you've got a holiday to pay for whatever
it takes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Italian Tours wants me to go over there. It's a
pretty New Zealand problem too, simply because it's so bastard
expensive to go literally anywhere. I'm in the Europeans. Being
able to travel to another country for one hundred bucks
instead of thousands, I mean, that's a really good point.
I mean, if you're in Europe then you just jump
on a train. It's so easy to go to such
incredible places. Although if you're from Europe, you go you

(01:03:45):
know where I'd like to go New Zealand. That looks good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Yeah, and it's expensive together.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Yeah, and we're already here, so suck that up, Europeans.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
I'm great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (01:03:56):
Yeah, good, Hey, guys, I've just come back from a
month in Thailand and we started saving about twelve months ago.
But that's part of the fun was spending the last
twelve month watching ship overs, the YouTube clips and whatever,
you and really planning where you wanted to go and
what you wanted to do. So by the time we went,

(01:04:16):
we had all our fixed costs completely sorted and really
it was only spending money after that. And you know,
we lived like kings over there. But we picked you know,
we picked Southeast Asia because it's affordable, so you know,
for a month for two people staying in four or
five stars and absolutely living it up. All our fixed

(01:04:37):
costs were about eleven grand, so it was just alcohol
and spending on top of that. So we ended up,
after saving for twelve.

Speaker 8 (01:04:45):
Months, coming back with about five grand in the bank.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
And we just didn't It was arguably so Craig was
arguably cheaper living once you were over there, you were
kind of saving money for being over there on holiday.

Speaker 6 (01:04:58):
Well exactly, our.

Speaker 10 (01:04:58):
Food ball in New Zealand, you know, could last bloody
two weeks over there. It's ridiculous, you know. And we
didn't skimp on anything because we wanted to do something.
We just it, you know, and all our accommodation was
five stars with all of access and all sorts of
crazy shirts, and it was just that's super affordable. But

(01:05:19):
you know, we we we will always stay first.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Yeah, and Craig, what you were saying, Craig as well
is because you knew you were going to Thailand, you went.
Didn't feel like you were missing out on life by
saving because you were excited and enjoying the process of
looking at YouTube and researching your holiday. So it was
actually not really a period of austerity for you. It
was it was a fun build up to the holiday

(01:05:43):
as well.

Speaker 11 (01:05:45):
Yeah, well you know.

Speaker 10 (01:05:46):
The others because there was supposed to be four of
us going and end up two three.

Speaker 12 (01:05:50):
But that's a different story.

Speaker 10 (01:05:52):
But they put it on me that you plan it,
you come back and you tell us and then we'll
say you just know and and so yeah, it was
We've put a lot of time.

Speaker 19 (01:06:00):
And effort and a lot of bottles of wines around.

Speaker 10 (01:06:03):
Watching YouTube before we made our mind up. It started
a two weeks, you ended up at four weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Love that, don't you, Craig? What if though it was
a last minute opportunity to do something really fun, say
your mates came to your Craig and it wasn't really
planned and they say, hey, we're wanting to go back
to Thailand and have a massive boys weekend scuba diving, fishing,
will hit the last really hard. It's going to be great,
but it's going to cost ten grand. At that point, Craig,

(01:06:33):
would you tick it up?

Speaker 8 (01:06:38):
Probably?

Speaker 21 (01:06:40):
Probably we went over because two of us turned sixty
and you know, like I had a half heart Steads
put under December just before we went to such like
Nass grew up, man, let's just go.

Speaker 10 (01:06:52):
Yeah, And but but we had the money sitting there,
so not once did we consider when we're away with
how much is that going to cost? It was like,
are you're going to do it?

Speaker 21 (01:07:02):
Man, let's do it.

Speaker 10 (01:07:03):
And if we overspent, we would have just stuck it
on our credit card and helped it when we got back,
so there was no limitations. But yeah, so then Mint
we had money back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Yeah, so you had the five thousand backs, So what
are you going to do with that? Are you going
to put that back into your daily life back here
in New Zealand or are you going to spend that
on another holiday.

Speaker 12 (01:07:26):
Boat?

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Good man? I like your style, Greg Yolo.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Death comes quick. You never know when or how it
will come, so you should enjoy it. And this text
to Mike says the opposite. The whole New Zealand population
is in debt due to the government. Look where we
are now, Yeah, the government. The previous comment got us
into some quite are in us debt. But we didn't
really get a holiday. Did we know?

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
If the shadowed us a trip to Thailand, we might
be feeling a bit happier about it. We could eventually,
we could have easily. There could have been times over.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
The shovel reality projects could have been we're all going
to the Goldie.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Yeah, And Sophie says via Tix's book the Trip guys,
much like Yolo, you only live once once. I believe
in phoebe if it and book it from Sophie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Okay, so coming up next, I want to argue against
going on holidays at all. Oh, just against right, against
the turn, against the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Okay, all right, it'd be good. It is, okay, eighteen
to three.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
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Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
We've been talking about chicking up a holiday on the mortgage.
Good idea or bad idea.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I was just so pleased I travel when I was younger.
I am unable to travel now. Car crash put a
stop to many things. I've also seen a lot of
New Zealand as well. So there you go. Yeah, that's
what a lot of people thinks for that text, Kim,
this is someone berating you Tyler. Hi, guys, it sounds
like fun boring for a holiday, but it's a bad habit.
I bet Tyler will be in financial difficulties later in life.

(01:08:56):
I think you're right. Actually interesting you should say that
because Tyler's actually, if you know, I'm very stingy. It
actually struggles to spend any money. I could see you
dying with quite a lot of money in your bank,
just living frugally in a bedsit.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
My partner is at she loves to spend and I
absolutely hate it.

Speaker 9 (01:09:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
I just want to have a big you go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Not I was just taking a breath. Oh you thought
that I was going to say something. Yeah I can
if you're finished, Yeah you go, just stay fit, says
this texter did the in contrail too much? You pitch
you last year at seventy and Everest Base camp five
months ago at seventy one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
That's impressive. Seventy one much, I peach you, yeah, have
you ever done that much? You pitch you No, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
I would bloody like to. Should we go tomorrow to
get it on the mortgage? Hey, before we go on
with us? So I just want to make a small
point about holidays, right, And it goes back to quite
a famous quote from Seneca, the ancient Roman statesman and philosopher,
who he said, you must lay aside the burdens of
the mind. Until you do this, no place will satisfy you.

(01:10:01):
Which is equivalent to the saying wherever you go, there
you are. I think it's very, very important to make
sure you're happy where you are before you go on holiday,
because you're quite capable of being miserable on holiday. If
you're miserable, holidays don't solve your problems. You're on holiday,
you don't suddenly be fine. You've got to spend If
you're going to spend the money on holiday, you've got

(01:10:23):
to spend your time before you go on that holiday,
getting into a mental state such that you can enjoy
the holiday. Anyone that has watched White lotus any one
of the three seasons. I mean that is basically an
exploration into people who don't enjoy the holidays they are
on because they take their problems with them wherever you are,
wherever you go, there you are.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
I absolutely agree. Yeah, it's like, you know, you don't
want to get into an argument just before you go
on holiday, or you certainly don't want to get into
an argument when you're on holiday. It just ruins everything.
And as you mentioned before, I am a mess of scrooge.
And as I said to you during the air break,
there's been times where I've been stressing because Mave loves
to spend money and good on you because we're on holiday,

(01:11:03):
should be enjoying ourselves. And then I just get into
this kind of doom spiral that oh man, into so
much debt and it ruins the holiday.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Yeah, I just got to enjoy it, that's right. You know,
you've got to get in the right middle state. And
so many people in relationships go, look, we're going to
go on a holiday here and that'll sort things out.
You'll have a huge Barnie in the uber on the
way to the airport, another Barnie checking in your luggage,
a huge argument on the plane, and then you'll spend
the whole thing not talking to each other. Yeah, got
to sort out the relationship before you go. Youve got

(01:11:31):
to sort yourself out before you go. If that reminds
me of a fantastic Adam Sandler skit, you know Adam Sandler,
but fan but you would say most of his comedy
is tense towards the moronic, Yes, which I enjoyed. But
he did this great skit called Romano Tours. I'll play
a little bit of it well.

Speaker 22 (01:11:48):
Here at Romano Tours we always remind our customers if
you're sad now, you might still feel sad there. Okay,
you understand that makes sense. Our tours will take you
to the most beautiful places on earth, take the cliffs
of the Amaki Coast, fish with the that's in Sorrento.

(01:12:10):
Do this add or not, But remember you're still going.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
To be you on vacation.

Speaker 22 (01:12:17):
If you are sad where you are and then you
get on a plane to Italy, can you in Italy?
It will be the same sadule from before.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
So true, it's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
So if you're going to say for a year to
go on holiday, or you're going to tick it up
and throw it on your mortgage. Make sure you spend
the time to put yourself in a good mental state
before you go, because either way, otherwise you're going to
be spending a whole lot of money and being miserable
at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Spot on one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call Phil you reckon? Tick it up?

Speaker 6 (01:12:53):
What was that?

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Sorry, you recon tick it up? Put it on the mortgage,
put it on the credit cards.

Speaker 15 (01:12:59):
Yeah, I think so, get ata both years there?

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
What was that?

Speaker 15 (01:13:03):
Quotes me said about the Roman guy before a carry on?

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Yeah, if I remember right, it's from Seneca the Younger.
You must lay aside the burdens of the mind. Until
you do this, no place will satisfy you, which is
basically an ancient Roman around the wrong way translation from
Latin for the boodh of saying where if you go
there you are.

Speaker 15 (01:13:24):
Yes, yeah, no, that's quite good, And yeah, I agree
because you are. Otherwise you're just running away from you.
It's like running away from your troubles, isn't it. They're
going to be there when you get back from your
great holiday.

Speaker 7 (01:13:35):
So absolutely, yeah, if you're not n I'm actually reading
your book at the moment.

Speaker 15 (01:13:40):
Matt's got some great quotes from those Roman fallows.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
You know, I'm a big fan of the ancient philosophy.
I'll tell you what, phil I'll punish people for hours
about ancient philosophy.

Speaker 15 (01:13:50):
Fair enough.

Speaker 7 (01:13:52):
Yeah, I reckon like shaving up for your holiday is
that's ostensible thing to do. And you know I make sense.
So I'm with you there on that one, Matt. But
I was thinking about it. I was thinking, I'm really
with Tyler on this one. I was thinking, no, stuff
it stuff, pick it up, think it up. Go while

(01:14:12):
you're young, thick it up. You've got the memories to
look back on when you get older. Because I was thinking,
life is so uncertain in terms of what your health
is going to be like in that and like the
fellow that said seventy do and he's doing the much
apeakle or whatever it was the thing, and that I mean,
some people are you know, some people are very lucky
and they stay healthy and they can do things like

(01:14:34):
that even in the seventies and eighties, and these stories
of you know, people skydive and even an eighty sort
of thing.

Speaker 15 (01:14:40):
But you're just never known. I think of my father,
who fortunately he was that guy that never wanted to
travel anywhere, so I didn't bother him. But so he
never left New Zealand and he died almost at ninety one.
But in his later years, even if he did decide
that he wanted to go somewhere, he was that he

(01:15:00):
got that physically sort of mentally sick, and physically he
wouldn't have been able to go. So I can't have
thinking of Dad in that regard as well. So I
always say, yeah, put it on the mortgage and after
you go, and yeah, think about it later.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Yeah out later. I thank you for you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Call this Texas says saved and walked across Spain the
Camino again, the Camino. I was just talking to someone
about the Camino the other day and then we met
this pastor, yeah, who was just planning to walk the
Camino trail anyway, and July twenty twenty three, this person
work at the Camino was pretty affordable. A twelve year
old beard. Twelve year old dinner got cancer. July twenty

(01:15:38):
twenty four. I'm sixty now, glad I did it when
I could see any wow spot on. Sorry to hear that,
and he did. But I'm so glad you got a
chance to walk the Camino Trail. I mean, if you
don't know what that is, you're basically walking across Spain.
I think the maximum it can be. You know, if
you do the whole thing, it's eight hundred kilometers, but
you know, you're having a few wines on the way.
You're walking between fantastic accommodation and seeing villages and seeing stuff.

(01:16:02):
It's it's a bucket list thing to do the Camino Trailer.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
I'd love to do it. Didn't you plan to do it?

Speaker 6 (01:16:08):
To do it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
When we were talking about it on the radio show
all right at the end of last year.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
I see it because I was thinking, Italy, you've got
planned then you're going to do the Camino, go back
to Tokyo for some Mario Karts. You're gonna have to
get a second mortgage.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Well, I mean, how long how long would I have
to take off this radio show to walk eight hundred
k across Spain?

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
You could do the radio show over there. We could
figure that out. Oh yeah, yeah, do it on a
heap there, right, wouldn't that absolutely one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call love to hear
from you. Was it a good idea to put a
travel trip holiday on the mortgage? It is eight to three.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Yeah. And if you've been on a holiday but you
took your sad self with you or a sad sack
with you'd like to hear from your well as well,
because you can plan and say for the best holiday
in the world, but if you're miserable, you'll be miserable
there as well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Absolutely the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons
news talks'd.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Be it is five to three. Man still looking at
pictures of Mario karts and Tokyo. I mean that does
look fantastic. Now that was a trip I was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Showing pictures of just because you didn't believe me, Tyler
the U and I mean it looks like an incredible activity.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Tokyo what a city.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
If you were in listening before that was that's something
you can do in Tokyo. Drove around a little cart
stressed up as Mario. My overseas holiday was eight years ago.
I got my scuba tickets, learned to sale and got
in a couple of Aussie Classic races and spent many
weekends trail riding through the bush, but mostly I racked
up my ussy mates and word goings. It was great
and I checked it all up.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
There you go for your information, Tyler. Nothing is more
un appealing and a man than meanness. We're talking before
about how you don't like spending money, and it's nothing
to be proud of. It's not a status symbol, Tyler.
There has been a Harvard units. It's the PhD study
done on this very subject. And over a lifetime, the
money you saved being a scrooge is less than ten
thousand dollars for what you lose out on. Think about that, Tyler, do.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
You go ten thousand dollars to ten thousand dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
And this is the person says, hey, guys, I disagree
with Matt and his ancient philosophers. I went sad in Italy.
Traveling took me out of my funk as it showed
me there was another way to live.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
That's true. That's true, it can that's true. Great discussion.
Thank you to everybody that phoned and text on that one.
Coming up after three o'clock we're going to have another
topic on the table for you. It is three minutes
to three new Sport and weather on its way. Great
to have your company is always you're listening to matt
and Tyler. Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
News Talk Sebby afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
Seven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Having a great show today. But look, my reputation was
besmirched by people on the text machine of nineteen nine two.
They said I was lying about Mario Kartz and Tokyo
when I said before that you can put on a
Mario there's a tour that you do in Tokyo. You
put on a bunch of Mario kostumes. Yeah, and you

(01:19:10):
drive around the little carts around Tokyo. Is quite dangerous.
People said it's not real. People said it's not real.
You can go to mad Heath and Zid on Instagram
and check out my story. Yep, and I've posted a
picture of me doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
And you were Luigi No, I was Mario, Oh you're Mariola,
look mate, Mariol And who was, oh, yeah, you're looking good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
There there was a Luigi.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Was that a real mustache?

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
That looks like my mate Joseph Jury was Luigi who
was Prince's Peach. My mate Gelide was Princess Peach.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Oh yeah, yeah that's pretty Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Actually know that looks like Jeremy Wells was Princess Peach.
Make a good look at this shot anyway, it's real.
And then again, people don't believe that because I'll go,
you've just aied that. Yeah, so you still have this
is still a level of trust. It does exist.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
You can look it up on Google.

Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
Is there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Yeah, you can go to med Heath and zid on
Instagram and check out boy, oh my god. People still
don't believe it, Like all the comments are like, it's
not real, it's not real. That's real.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Right, we'll put that one bed for now. And also
a reminder coming up in about twenty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Gel text it is real. I did it two months ago.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
See, now there we go. Thank you, Joel You needed that.
You needed that from Joelton. You really just needed that
extra support.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Well yeah, I mean I already knew it was real. Good,
there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Joe Mark Vitti he is an animal behavior expert. He
is coming up in about twenty five minutes and he
is an expert on everything to do with pets and animals.
But that is coming up very shortly paced again in
early though when it comes to mark Viti. But right now,
let's have a chat about flat pack furniture. As we
all know, Ikea is almost in the country, about six

(01:20:46):
months away.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
They reckon and it's not just going to be in Auckland.
There's going to be multiple Kias around the country. For
the longest time, we didn't think Aikia said we didn't
have a big enough population to come to New Zealand,
but there were ways you could get Ikea in New Zealand. Whatever.
Flat pats, they're quite good flat packs.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
I mean there's a lot of people that will go
that you see saying their instructions aren't very easy to follow.
Those people are dumb. The instructions are very easy to follow.
So if you start complaining that you can't understand the
instructions and a flat pack, then that that's lost. It
was lost. I mean some of the cheaper flat packs,
you are amazed how bad the instructions are. But ike

(01:21:21):
flat pack instructions are pretty good and the quality is
pretty good. But I bought this flat pack chest of
draws about a year ago. Right, it wasn't no care
and the run name and shame just quickly. I can't
remember the run. But it was quite expensive. It was
fifteen hundred dollars for flat pack. Yeah, for flat pack

(01:21:42):
fifteen hundred bucks. Yeah, it was flash would yeah, yeah,
sounds it. Maybe it was fifteen hundred bucks for more
than one thing anyway, Actually I think it might have
been fifteen hundred bucks. This is by the buyer. Maybe
that and a bedside table. It was nice, but anyway,
it's already broke, and I've decided to never buy a
flat pack again. I want to buy fully made furniture yep,

(01:22:05):
from a proper legit cabinet maker, where it's been varnished
up and it's ready to go and you have to
put it in a vehicle and bring it there.

Speaker 6 (01:22:14):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
And it's fully formed, there's no pulling it apart.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Yeah, And I want to know if that's still a
viable thing in New Zealand? Is it still viable to
buy a brand new, put together, the quality, generational piece
of furniture, the kind of furniture that will be my
kids will put in their kid's house. Yeah, is that
possible to buy that? And if it is eight one

(01:22:38):
hundred and eighty ten eighty, I'd like to hear from you.
And if it isn't, also like to hear from you,
because that's what I want to do from now on.
Just I just want to even if it's insanely expensive,
I just want to no longer.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Buy rubbish, make furniture great again effectively. I mean it
is they hand me down furniture that probably in our generation.
I don't know if any younger, but most of us
would have pieces that were handed down not from our parents,
but from our parents, our grandparents, even great grandparents. You
mentioned that beautiful home in Dunedin that has a whole
bunch of intergenerational furniture Algustin.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Yeah, I mean literally none been using it because it's
been a tourist attraction for a very long time. But
when you look at the quality of the stuff that
they used to make it, would it's intergenerational. And look,
when I visit my dad, he's still using the same
fridge from when I was a kid. This is a
different issue, but things didn't last a lot longer.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Yeah, absolutely, rather than.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
The situation we're in now where you've probably just gone
through it, Tyler, where you moved house up to Auckland,
and I bet a lot of the stuff you just
threw out it's one that's put it together and then
when you move you half it out.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
All of the flatback furniture without a word of a lie,
that all went to the dump because it started to
fall apart. The only furniture that made the trip was
the stuff that got handed down by Mabe's parents. So
you spot on I one hundred eighty ten eighty where
do you go to actually get proper built cabinet made?
A cabinet maker? Is that what they call them?

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
A cabinet maker? Yeah, we were trying to work out
of it was a yeah as a cabinet maker.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Yeah, where do you go for intergenerational furniture? Love to
hear from you. It is twelve past three afternoon, matters
done with flat pack furniture, and he wants to know
where do you go for proper intergenerational you know, purely made,
we're well crafted furniture.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Where are the real cabinet makers out there? Where are they?
Michelle you're a fan of Dance Gambler, I am.

Speaker 23 (01:24:24):
We were particularly looking for them as someone to buy
our furniture from. But we went online, looked for some
really nice furniture, looked through a lot of rubbish and
then said like though, so we were looking for just barstools,
and we we went and looked at their bar stools
and ended up buying some. They couldn't imply them immediately.

(01:24:47):
They had to be built, and I was really impressive.
Built in New Zealand. They made completely in New Zealand.
All right, this is solid timber furniture made completely in
New Zealand at reasonable prices. You know, I want them
outstandingly expensive compared to others, and they have never sail on.
While we were there, saw a side table we really

(01:25:07):
liked and got them to make one of those at
the same time. And honestly, I think this will be,
like you say, one of the bits of finiture that
I can pass on to someone else and family one day.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Right, So that there's there's no there's no flat packing
from Dance Coamobiler. It's all it's all manufactured in New Zealand.

Speaker 24 (01:25:26):
Completely made completely here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Right, So what is the history of the company. This
might be an unfair question to you, but dance Gamobiler
sounds like a European brand.

Speaker 6 (01:25:36):
Is that the case I thought they were.

Speaker 23 (01:25:38):
I thought they were and then when they said no, no,
we make it here in New Zealand. It's all locally made.

Speaker 7 (01:25:43):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:25:44):
Yeah, well that's as much as I.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Know Dance Gambler as a second generation, family owned and
operated New Zealand company. The founders Ken and bent Winter
immigrated to New Zealand from Denmark in the nineteen forties.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Great to know, So there you go. Yeah right, yeah,
that's the local support local dance Gamobla for the one. Yeah, key,
we made fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Thank you for that. All right, good to know. I
mean it's to be a bit more expensive then just
your rubbish flat pack that you having to skip when
you move out.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Yeah, that's it because it lasts, it last multi generations.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Gregor for the show.

Speaker 17 (01:26:19):
Yeh, guys, there are you. Look, I'm on the handy man.
He dos a bit of works, a freak company who
who moved his embassies around the around the world sometimes
and I've I've hit the put Todd iq of furniture
together without the instructions at all.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Wow, quite a night here.

Speaker 14 (01:26:35):
But into the generational furniturey.

Speaker 17 (01:26:39):
I won't say what country was when I moved to
help move the embassador unto his place and he hid
some furniture there that I talked to him about and
it had been in this family since seventeen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Wow, Well where was he? Where was there? Where was
there the ambassador.

Speaker 17 (01:26:54):
From Well, I don't really want to start.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Okay, fair enough, fair enough.

Speaker 17 (01:26:58):
Yeah, of Europe, Yeah, quite a big country in Europe.
But wow, I was looking at the spirit thinking this
is older than New Zealand. He'd just come from the
middle and they hit two actually get popshumidifiers in the
in the house because it started to dry out and cracked.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
What kind of furniture was it?

Speaker 17 (01:27:18):
These jont bigs like sideboard. Yeah, I don't even know
what you're tall. I'm being tall. They're about two meters tall.
Sort of put all your nice plates and stuff and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
And good now and good neck and it's four hundred
years killer. Yeah, of course there.

Speaker 17 (01:27:38):
It was very cool. Wood rights and from twos make
some beautiful furniture.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
If you want to up who is that again?

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Wood rights one more time? Would you you're just cutting
out a little bit it out?

Speaker 17 (01:27:52):
Would rights?

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Wou would rights?

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:27:55):
Yeah, yeah, You've got to play the earth for customer
made furniture in New Zealand. But like you say, you
can do it to your kids. You can do it
to your kids. We we we Our dining room table
at home was owned by my my grandparents who bought
it with My father was very y young. So were
you one one hundred year old table at home? Still

(01:28:16):
use it day to day?

Speaker 25 (01:28:17):
You know?

Speaker 17 (01:28:18):
And just like my dad when he was.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
A pretty is it all?

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Quality? Absolutely?

Speaker 9 (01:28:23):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
I'm just looking at the Newton Buffet walnut wood table
from wood Rights. Beautiful but yeah you are paying three
and a half grand for it, but beautiful. Just quick
a question about Remoo, Greg, do you have that? Sorry,
I'll take that back. I was stolen. Google screwed me
on that. You know, when it's when you look at
something and it sends you the wrong thing. Struck that
that wasn't wood Google? Remove?

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Do they still make things out of remove grig or
is that someone told me that? You know, it's very
hard to get fresh remoo these days. But so a
lot of the furniture is just hand me down, Remoo.

Speaker 17 (01:28:58):
I'm actually restoring a house and we just got our
deck out of Totra. Well I saught it would need
to be generally found by trees that are falling over,
and people have specialized sences that they can cut them
up once they fall over in the window they get
so old. Yeah, is very hard to work with because
it cracked and splits, especially as it ages, So it's.

Speaker 14 (01:29:19):
Not the best.

Speaker 17 (01:29:20):
I mean, it's beautiful, but it's very difficult to work
with a wood moveing and once it dries out, man,
it's splits like you wouldn't believe.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
Yeah, because he's why it's quite expensive, because it's it's
a lot harder to work with in craft.

Speaker 17 (01:29:33):
Yeah, and you can't get and like you say, you
can't get hold of it. Toature is the best timber
to work with, but it leaches, so it's not so
good for furniture. So it's always yeah. Yeah, some of
the European hard ones that come out of beautiful, but
but Remy is pretty hard to hold off. Now you
need to find someone whose heads got to see and

(01:29:53):
he's got a whole lot of got a stash's being
there for fifty years. You get most of them, and
they're around you can find them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Well, he go on on wood rights now with with
a pure oak or aged oak or mid brown ass
or topie ash bookshelf. And that's the Brooklyn High book bookcase.
It's three hundred and eighty one.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
Of course that's going to last a couple hundred years.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
At least it looks generational. Yeah, it looks generational. There
you go, Greg, you're a good man.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Oh sorry, you go.

Speaker 17 (01:30:28):
I was just gonna say it is cool, but it's
still a still particle board.

Speaker 6 (01:30:32):
Particle board, yeah exactly, but it's still executively the same.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Yeah, thanks so much for your call, Gregor appreciate that. Hi,
Matt and Tyler. I've got a I've got Remau furniture
my grandfather made for my grandmother, a glory box chest
of drawers and bedside cabinet from nineteen twenty. There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Who is beautiful water, isn't it?

Speaker 9 (01:30:51):
Love?

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
A good piece of Remo, love a bit of Remo.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Okay, portal it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Sounds pretty good as well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Where do you find a good cabinet makers
in New Zealand. Keen to chat with you. It's twenty
two past three.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
My god, a lot of love for Dance Mobler, Dansky Mobler.
I'm good.

Speaker 6 (01:31:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
They also help with the community boards.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
It's eNB don't they good people?

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Good afternoon, twenty four past three, and this topic has
gone ballistic, which is a great thing. Where do you
find good cabinet makers in New Zealand?

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Welcome the show, Peter.

Speaker 25 (01:31:33):
Okay, boys, nice to hear. Hey O techy theme of
the day.

Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
Gormet wood.

Speaker 25 (01:31:39):
In techy gormet wood. Jared out there will drop a tree,
he will know it. Wow, he will machine it and
then he will sit down with you and design furniture
that is in the keeping of one hundred to two
hundred year evaluation. Comes to a family. Oh yeah, he

(01:32:00):
comes to a family of wood and wood turning, wood
working people, and he has very traditional methods and beautiful furniture.
We had our whole house just built recently, and all
the furniture we got him to do for us well
little outlast probably the house Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Wow, Gourmet Wood dot coat on Z just going there. Jared.

Speaker 25 (01:32:22):
Did you say his name was that's the gentleman, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Jared, good looking man. Actually curly headed chap.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Actually it looks like a fine furniture maker.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Actually looks like my son Barry. The Gourmet Wood team
operate a swarm more producing small batches of timber. We
use this to design and create bespoke journry in chemistry
for your home and business. We love to highlight the
natural beauty of wood and quality pieces that are both
functional and stunning. Our workshop is situated at sixty four
Riverbank Road, or takey of giving the whole whole plug
here for your Peter. We've opened during normal business hours

(01:32:54):
on the weekdays. Good on you. Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 25 (01:32:56):
He's quite a visionary man. He's quite a visionary man,
and he's beautiful to work with.

Speaker 6 (01:33:00):
Beautiful love.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Such a wonderful idea, isn't it that you know the
things in your house that you would care about and
they'd have some me rather than completely functional and disposable.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Yeah, I really like that idea.

Speaker 25 (01:33:12):
Obviously, we saw the wood go through stages.

Speaker 15 (01:33:15):
I've just seen it was a beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Thing to think I've just seen he's got some show
pieces in the Otucky Library and they look phenomenal.

Speaker 25 (01:33:23):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Yeah, he's done some incredible things.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
What a great New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
I think if you call Peter Carl, who do you reckon?
You've got a good mate. Are you a cabinet making yourself?

Speaker 9 (01:33:35):
Are you?

Speaker 5 (01:33:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:33:37):
Kebna maker joiner of thirty eight odd years.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Yeah, great to chat with you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
And are you busy at people still coming in for
the bespoke stuff?

Speaker 26 (01:33:47):
But we do pretty much everything from wooden balls, windows
right the way through the kitchens and cabinets and beds
like tables, dining tables, the whole work. Yeah, we're keeping
very busy at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
And how long does your stuff last? Is it generational?

Speaker 26 (01:34:06):
The beans a client ends up choosing the product, and
that we'd like to think that it will outlast my
lifetime anyway. A lot of the solid timber stuff nowadays
that we're building, it's you do have to have a
little bit of a bigger budget to be able to
afford it because the timber joinery, the craftsmanship behind it

(01:34:30):
all is it's a specialist trade, which is dying. You're
paying for that specialist skill that we we have been
trained four years training to do in your apprenticeships, and
it's a real craftsmanship job.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Carl, does particle board disgust you?

Speaker 26 (01:34:53):
Yeah, although I mean most of our kitchens and that
that we build everyone is using the MDF, the particle board.
But when you see a bit of remu solid remu
coming in and people have painted it and get your
cringe and your you just want to see in it
back and give it a nice coat of oil or
a lacquer or.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
People have committed some crimes to beautiful wood and when
there was period at some point where it became unfashionable
to have the wood luck and they just lacking it
up with rubbish, covered it in paint.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
Absolute crime.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
How would people get hold of you? Carl?

Speaker 26 (01:35:31):
Phone, website, all the above, social media? Yeah, wack rows
w A c k r o.

Speaker 9 (01:35:38):
W s r W.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Love it. What's your favorite wood to work with?

Speaker 26 (01:35:46):
We've worked with some all sorts of crazy timbers, birds eye, maples, birds, remus.
I love the natives. Heard someone talking about totus before.
That's a crazy timber to work with. It's beautiful. But yeah,
very early your mattois once again, very early.

Speaker 9 (01:36:04):
But nice timber.

Speaker 26 (01:36:07):
I'm just a timber fan, so here you give me
any sort of timber, myrie all of the natives.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
I love the passion Carl, I love wood.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Chat there you go about.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
Water all day, warecrows, dot, cot and zed. You get that.
You get some of that Carl passion in your home.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Yeah, bedroom, what a great discussion. We've got Mark Vitti
coming up very shortly, but we're gonna have to bring
that back because we had so many great texts and
so many people we wanted to chains.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Yeah, Charlie horse finiture apparently good, getting a few texts
on that.

Speaker 6 (01:36:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Yeah, Well, well let's do this topic again because I'm
enjoying it.

Speaker 9 (01:36:40):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
Absolutely. But coming up next we do have Mark Vitti.
He is an animal behavior expert and he is taking
your calls if you've got a problem with your beloved pet.
He is the man to chat to. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. If you
prefer to send your question via text, you can do that.
Nine two nine two is the number. It is twenty
nine past three.

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Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean So. Mark Vidi is
a world renowned animal behaviorist, dog trainer and educator who
has been working with animals for over forty years. He's
a trained animal psychologist and created the Dogs In Online
training program. He's about to launch cat Zen and he
joins us once a month for our USS the Experts series.

(01:38:42):
We're just going to get him back online. He's just
dropped off. But if you've got a question for Mark, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
He is an expert on everything, not just cats and dogs.
We had lamas last time he was on.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Yeah, that's right, Call about an EMU, one about a stoat. Yeah,
so I've got an interesting question for him when we
get on. Well, not really, but I had this this morning.
I discovered that my dog as basically a musical instrument.
So he was lying in his bed and I put
my foot on him, and when I put a little
bit of pressure, he'd make a noise, so I could

(01:39:14):
play him like a bellows so Colin was.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
Going, how long did you do that for ages?

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Yeah, like ages until to my partner told me to stop.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Did he have other notes as you moved up the abdomen.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
No, he was just seriously, it was it was I
could take it on the road. Actually, people would pay.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
It's like their barking dog down in Queenstown. You can
be right next to him. Right. So we're just about
to get Mark VIDI on that O eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the numbers called.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Should we should we talk to Carol and get her.
We'll get get get your prep, get your prepped for
Mark when we get him back on.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Get a Carol her little Carol care go to there. Hello,
how are you good?

Speaker 24 (01:40:01):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
And what sort of pit do you have?

Speaker 6 (01:40:04):
Well, I've got.

Speaker 27 (01:40:05):
Two small dogs. One's for pure bread kind of short
head sorry, short legs, wire head deck Russell, and the
other one's a rescue but the kind of Jack Russell mixed.
And my partner has a large kind of hunting gun dog.
And when we first got the dogs together, it was okay.

(01:40:25):
You know, they were a little bit wary, but it
was okay. And then it seemed to be all right,
and then all of a sudden one day it went
very wrong and one of my little dogs kind of
nipped at the big one, and since then we just
have not been able to get them back together at all.
And I'm just terrified that one of my little dogs,
who is going.

Speaker 17 (01:40:44):
To get right?

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
Yeah, that is a big question. I think we've got
mark the now Marre we go perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Did you hear Carol's Did you hear Carol's? Okay, So Carol,
I'll try and summarize it. So, you've got a couple
of little dogs and your your your partner's got a
much bigger dog. They started getting on pretty well, but
now there's a bit of argie badgie and you're worried
that you're a little dogs might get attacked. Is that correct?

Speaker 27 (01:41:11):
Yeah, well, not that the big dog aggressive, but it's
just the kind of mix of the three of them.
And in fact, it was my little dog that kind
of nipped at the big dog initially. So and you know,
the bigger dog hadn't done anything at all, and he's
the lovely, lovely dog. They're all lovely dogs. But the
problem is now he's the bigger dog. You know, he
remembers and and I'm just really we're just struggling to

(01:41:37):
get them back together again.

Speaker 6 (01:41:38):
What breeds other dogs?

Speaker 27 (01:41:41):
So my two are one of them's a short legged
wire head tech Russell and she's five. And then I've
got to kind of Jack Russell mixed, who's a rescue.
He's seven. He's the one that kind of nipped at
the bigger dog out of kind of fear, I think.
And then the bigger dog my partner's dog is like
her gun dog.

Speaker 6 (01:42:02):
Yeah, okay, And and is he a male? Is any
of the dogs in tire?

Speaker 10 (01:42:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:42:09):
Yeah, yeah, the two, the bigger dog and the one
that net on males and the little Jack Russell's a female, right.

Speaker 6 (01:42:18):
So it's going to be the males that are more
likely going to have the issue, And that's probably what's happening.
It sounds like the Jack Russell's being a bit of
a Jack Russell and you know, just a little bit
dominant and being entire. The two males being entire will
make it the problem more complicated.

Speaker 27 (01:42:36):
They're not entire, Sorry, they're not.

Speaker 6 (01:42:38):
They're not entire no, okay, so they're both desects. Okay,
Well that that helps. Yeah, So I mean, basically, what
we're really wanted to do with the particularly with the
Jack Russell, the seven year old, the one that's kind
of initiating what I suspects happening, is the typical kind
of terrier. You know, in situations where he's feeling slightly challenged,

(01:42:59):
you know, he's standing up for himself, which is that
aerier temperament, what we call gaminess within the terriers. And
so one of the important things to do time they
come back together, just in the initial stage, is do
what I call the doggy handshake. And so dogs meet
in different ways than the humans, and so what we
want to do is we want to start by allowing

(01:43:20):
the big dog to him to sniff the big dog
around the rear end, under the tail, under the groin,
and then turn him round and get the other one
to meet him by sniffing and on. What I would
do is get them both on the clicker and click
on the reward them for social responses. So each time,
particularly when they come together, and particularly when they're hyper

(01:43:42):
aroused and those because that's when it's more than likely
going to happen. Maybe someone's come to the door, or
something's happening or they've just first met and having not
seen each other for a few hours or something. That's
normally the time it happens for over resources that they're guarding.
So do eat and greet technique. You can always check

(01:44:03):
out the technique for meet and greet and it's in
the book and then the online videos if you want
to follow it that way. But basically, what you're doing
is you're getting getting to smell the pheromones of the
other dog, and the dogs have appeasing pheromones and they're
calming pheromones, and so if you don't go through that
initial sniffing that you want to orchestrate, then normally they're

(01:44:27):
not really they go to head to head and it's
a much more dominant interaction, So always try and start
with a sniff from each end, allowing both dogs to
sniff whichever one seems to want to let the other
one sniff first. Then do that and don't go head
to head than those situations. Be careful of high arousal
situations whenever one's pumped and worked up because the adrenaline high,

(01:44:49):
they're more likely to fight in that situation. They're doing
regular meet and greets like that, so they get to
know each other and get on better. I'd also be
doing some one called clip station work, where I teach
them to clip down on a mat together and click
and reward them for meeting each other regularly clicking one
and feeding and clicking the other and feeding, as long

(01:45:12):
as they're staying together and being social and friendly. So
you've got to build that social relationship between those two
two males, and particularly of the Jack Russell, who, as
you said, is clearly being a little bit terrier like.
So he's the focus a clicker training with him.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Think if you call Carol Tyler, are you and Tyre?

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
I am absolutely entire Yeah. Do you want to say
that he does.

Speaker 6 (01:45:38):
Around?

Speaker 12 (01:45:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
Sorry, Mark to bring you into that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Yeah, good to know you know.

Speaker 6 (01:45:43):
Where to slip now, an't you boys?

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
Exactly? Mark? Good to have you on the line. So
if you just hold there, We've got plenty of other
calls to get to. Oh eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. If you've got a question for Mark, it
is nineteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
They'd be good noon. We've got Mark Vetti with us.
He is a world renowned animal behaviorist and an expert
when it comes to animals. He's been working with them
for over forty years and he is here to answer
any burning questions you've got about your beloved pets.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
And Joanna, you've got a dog that's doing a little
bit of wheeze inside.

Speaker 14 (01:46:25):
I understand, Thanks, Susan, actually, but that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
Oh okay, we've got Joanna here for some reason. But
that's right. So Susan, you've got a dog that whees inside.

Speaker 6 (01:46:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:46:35):
So he's about ten years old and it's been going
on for a long time and it's always in a
bedroom and when he's left at home on his own.

Speaker 6 (01:46:47):
Right and he has he has he had a period
of being house trained well and he's fallen back or
is he has been going on since.

Speaker 24 (01:46:56):
He's normally he's normal. So interesting story. So we had
him for a year and then he disappeared for two
years and he was microchip and the and where he
wrung us up and said we've got your dog and
we said we haven't got a dog, and they said
we're found stubby. So he disappeared for two years and

(01:47:17):
he came back, and it's hard to know, you know,
whether he was traumatized or not. And we certainly don't
know where we went, even though I have asked him,
and so it's yeah, we just where okay.

Speaker 6 (01:47:31):
And it just started after that said it.

Speaker 24 (01:47:34):
Yeah, pretty much, I think it.

Speaker 27 (01:47:37):
Did you know?

Speaker 6 (01:47:37):
That was quite a while ago.

Speaker 24 (01:47:38):
That was like, you know, like seven years ago.

Speaker 6 (01:47:40):
So yeah, longo is he is he entire? Is he
being d sex?

Speaker 10 (01:47:47):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
There was a years of your miss netmark.

Speaker 6 (01:47:51):
Yes, okay, he's been d sex. Do you remember what
age he was d sex there?

Speaker 24 (01:47:58):
Probably in his first year?

Speaker 6 (01:48:01):
Okay? Quite really? So is it now? Right? So normally
the most common is he lifting his leg on things?
Or is he just being on the ground?

Speaker 24 (01:48:11):
I lift this lead?

Speaker 6 (01:48:13):
Yeah, yeah, so I suspect he just started doing that
when he was entire. That's what we call maturation or
leg raising and marking. And it's typical that they'll find
scent posts, you know, and that's what he's done here
in the bedroom to established the scent post there. So
what I want, first of all, generally I keep doors
closed a long way away from the central then areas

(01:48:35):
you know, where you spend most of your time. It
tends to me in back rooms or downstairs and areas
like that that he does it. So it's a person
clean that site with one quarter of white vineggar three
quarters water and generally exclude him from it. But if
you're finding that, if you can't do that, then what
I do is a different technique. Is I clip station them.

(01:48:57):
So I teach him to go on a clip station
a short lead and as part of his training, and
then I clip station them to the site where he marks.
He won't mark on the site for his sleep there.
I established that of the sleeping site for a little while,
just for like half an hour at a time, you know,
and he goes, he gets clipped up down there, and
that'll decrease the chance of the marking in that area.

(01:49:21):
So I'd use those two techniques. He's an older dog,
so it get tends to get a little bit worse
as they get older. So that's probably what you're seeing
as well. And of course if you had some kind
of trauma during that time away, that can also make
it worse, obviously, So try that technique in the men
time and if it's more complicated, you can always can

(01:49:42):
me call and I'll do a phone concert with you
and I can take more detail. Sometimes I need more
detail than that to be able to really fine tune
a therapy plan.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
Yep, very good, All the best, Susan A Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
I've got a text here. My cat, who's still young
listener year, always takes a crap in the bar, litle
box and both bathrooms and access outside at wits end.
As also have three young kids. Cat will be re
homed if we can't sort the situation out. I'm not
sure if the three kids are going in the bath
as well or not.

Speaker 6 (01:50:15):
The kids. Okay, it's not uncommon first of all that
cats who go in bath and thinks, surprisingly enough, you
can't actually teach your cat to go on a toilet,
but who won't go into that today? So what we
need to re establish is, first of all, is I
normally move the little box out and presume the litter

(01:50:36):
boxes in that area, and normally people put them in bathrooms.
So if it's if it's at all possible, close the
bathroom off, systematically, move the litter box to another room nearby,
and re establish himself in a room with no bar
in it because of that bath here beside the litter box.
He goes in there. He knows he wants to go,

(01:50:57):
and he's making a choice, particularly if the letter box
isn't clean, you know, if there's a little yeurine offiece
he's in there, then often he'll decide I'll go and
I'll jump in the bath. So number one, keep the
little box clean, and that can make all the difference.
So that'd be the first step. The second step is
systematically moving into say the toilet next door or another

(01:51:18):
room just nearby it's suitable, and close that bathroom so
he doesn't have access into that for the next four
to six weeks, and that he re established himself in
that area, and then he shouldn't go if he doesn't
have the bath beside him.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
YEA, very sure.

Speaker 6 (01:51:35):
You keep that little box clean, though diet cats are
very fussy about the little boxes. Sometimes I'll have two
letter boxes if I need to, And that might be
another good idea have a second little box and there
and I use that instead.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
That is great. Good luck, dear text. We'll get Ross
and before the break Ross, we've got about two minutes.
But you're on with.

Speaker 8 (01:51:55):
Mark, right, Mark, we've got a minister. Now though she
gets it very vocal when someone to approach her, she
doesn't know or sometimes does know great where she gets
that embarrassing.

Speaker 6 (01:52:11):
Yeah, so I teach you know, it will go back
to early socializations and the way you meet and greeted
people in her early developmental period two to four months
and or whoever did that period. So now we go.
Now we need to teach her a new meet and
greet technique. So I use clicker training for that, and
I teach her through click and reward to touch target

(01:52:33):
the visitor's hand, and we do formal meet and greek technique.
And so it's a click of training switches into learning state.
Click on rewards is for suitable behavior, appropriate behavior, non
vocal behavior, and then we can start to reshape her
meet and greet. But it's got to be done formally
like that. It doesn't take too much effort. If you

(01:52:55):
need to check it out and jump on my website
and you'll see the videos on how to do that,
and that'll that's the technique that I always use in
that situation. They can be a little bit of a
kind of a single person, you know, the snousers and
as a little bit attached, she needs to broaden her
socialization now and using that meet and Greek will do that.

Speaker 8 (01:53:18):
Okay, so meet and greet online, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:53:21):
Yeah, just jump on to Mark billingdogs in dot com
and it's got a video videos on meet and greet people.

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
All the best for us.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
Text to here.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Mark says, Hi, we have adopted an ex bomb to
take dog. He is six years old. Is great, but
he has no skills at all, apart from detecting bombs.
Of course, when it comes to other dogs. We are
wondering if he goes to dog daycare, will that help him?

Speaker 6 (01:53:43):
Yeah, So normally bomb detection dogs normally grow up in
a pretty cool situation. You know, they're normally will socialized
with our dogs. Soll be surprised that he's not socialized.
Although the fact that they've got him means that he
might have been a foul dog and that might be
an issue dog dog aggression. So normally that that technique

(01:54:04):
I just mentioned the meat and greet humans. I mentioned
it for the dog. Dog Meet and greet is different,
and so he needs to learn to meet and greets.
Meet to meet and greet dogs in the appropriate fashion. Again,
I use clicker training for that. And so if he's
not too bad and is generally reasonably social, then yes,

(01:54:26):
doggie day Q would be good for him. But if
he's not that good, and then they're going to need
to do a little bit of desentitization work and that
doggy meet and greet is the technique I teach. So
you can again, you can learn that. Both video very good.
They'll make contact with us and we'll show you how
to do it.

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Brilliant, Mark, we're out of time once again. We could
do this for our the whole show, but thank you
very much for your time again, and we'll catch you
again in a few weeks.

Speaker 6 (01:54:51):
My pleasant made talking next to the next time.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
Yep, we'll talk there. And that is Mark Vitty, world
renowned animal behaviorist. If you want to find out more,
you can go to his website. It is Mark Vitty
dot com and he is the creator of dogs in
as Well and he's about to launch cats in as Well.
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