Full Show Podcast: 30 October 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 30th of October, Chris Hipkins hits out at Chris Luxon for making over $600k flipping houses last year.

Then - Matt has been called up for jury service. 

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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number two to nine for the
twenty fourth of October. It's a Friday. It was a
funny old show today. Enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
It was light.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
We've had some quite intense shows lately, and that you've
got to describe that one is light.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Great chat about Grannie Flats in some wedding photography. Ah,
I you shared a quite a story about some bad
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 3 (01:03):
Very good afternoons. You welcome into Thursday show. Really good
to have your company is always hope you're doing pretty
well wherever you're listening in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Get a man now listen everyone, love your feedback. On
nine two nine two and one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
But as I have been banging on a week, I'm
a huge Dodgers fan, and you took a horrific blow
yesterday in a Game four with the Blue Jays coming back,
and there's about to be Game five today and that
really will set up the last two games of the
World series. So it's a must win for my beloved Dodgers.

(01:34):
You know I bleed blue. You do love the La Dodgers.
So no spoilers, spoilers please on nine two nine two. Yeah,
throughout the show, please, if you could, please not fire
through fire through the hate. Yeah, I mean, I'm the
text machines full of Dodgers hate and people rubbing them
Yesterday's that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
If you want to teach through Dodgers suck. It's better
than any sort of score. Yeah, yeah, has something backwards.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
But just just don't keep me out of the loop
going forward, because I'm going to finish the show and
go home and watch the whole game.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
Yeah yeah, And I'm very nervous.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
You are very nervous, So please please.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Stupid of me to become a hum huge fan of
a team that's not even from my own city.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I get tense for you, mate. I mean when we're
watching that marathon Indians and I had to go home
and put it back on the telly. And I'm not
a baseball fan, and I oppositting there thinking I've got
nothing in this, but I am really tense, tense for you.
So big game today anyway, I'm becoming.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
A fan of that team.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I could go back twelve years and not attend that
game that I did, you poor bugger.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
And not become this this Dodge's addicted race. Stay away
from baseball. Right to today's show. After three o'clock, we
want to have a chat about jury service. It is,
of course, something most of us are called up to
do at some stage, getting that letter in your mailbox
saying you need to come on down to the courthouse
because you're required to provide a little bit of justice,

(02:54):
as it may be.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Mattees, it's your time, Tyler, buddy, I've got it right here.
My jury summons is right in front of me here,
and I deferred one of them because I do this
live radio show called Matt Heath.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
And Tyler Adam. It's a good show that way.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Afternoons on News Talk ZB so it's a job where
I kind of need to be there, Yes, but they're
not allowing me to kick it down the road anymore.
And I want to do jury service. I think it's
a very good thing to do, and I think we
should all.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
All do it.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Otherwise our justice system just doesn't work. We need to
be judged by a jury of our peers part of
the deal, and so at some point we need to
be peers in the system.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
But boy, it's and it's complicated. It's a lot of admins,
it's a lot of life admin that you've got to
rearrange to get on down there and do your civic duty.
And as you say, it can be a lot of fun.
There's an excitement element about it.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, big fan of the movie Twelve Angry Men, Fantastic
and the Stage Show. But yeah, jury service. Should you
just do it and suck it up and not try
and get out of it?

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Is that your duty? And also, you know, let's talk
about your experiences and on the jury.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Was it rewarding? Was it something you did in your
life that you're very glad glad you did and it
was worth the hassle and the kafuffle and the lost
revenue looking.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Forward to that after three o'clock, After two o'clock. How
much does it really cost to raise a child in
New Zealand today? And new analysis puts a price tag
on it for a first child about three hundred and
forty one thousand dollars before they hit eighteen, and additional
children costing two hundred and sixty one thousand dollars. Interestingly,
while those numbers seem pretty high, the cost it hasn't
actually moved that much in past decades. Yet more couples

(04:38):
say they deciding to have fewer kids because it costs
too much. Yeah, rubbish, I've had kids.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
They're not that very expensive, you know, as long as
you're not running the Instagram family luck and trying to
have the perfect family. If you have costly, if you
run a house full of love, not necessarily a houseful
of you luxuries, and that's been it, then that I
think they're pretty cheap, and they get cheaper the more
you have, and whatever they cost is irrelevant because what

(05:04):
else are you going to spend your money on? It's
if your kids, you would not any parent would work
five jobs and happily do it to support their kids.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, nicely said that is after two o'clock. But right now,
let's get into this. So Chris Sipkins has publicly challenged
Christopher Luxe and our Prime Minister over his property wins
and his wealth, saying bring it on in the battle
over their new capital gains tax policy. So as we know,
Labor is proposing this, proposing rather this twenty eight percent
tax from July twenty twenty seven on games from selling
property that excludes the family home and farms. All houses

(05:34):
open game. But he had a crack at Christopher Luckson's
property portfolio and he said, I quote, why should Christopher
Luxen be able to make more than six hundred thousand
dollars in one year from selling properties while the people
who go out and work hard every day for a
living and pay tax on every single dollar that they earn.
Christopher Luxin did hit back on that, saying it's not
about him, it's about New Zealanders and taxing Kiwi businesses

(05:57):
is not the way forward. Yeah, it seems to be
attack at the moment.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
They use the term out of touch a lot, and
that's their attack line that they've obviously workshopped against Christopher
LUCKXM because he has been succeed ful in his time.
What is interesting is that when quite recently, when John
Key was Prime Minister, it seemed to be his wealth
seemed to be a positive in terms of his positive
a popularity. People said, well, he's been very successful and

(06:23):
we want someone who's successful leading our country. That seems
to have changed in my perception of things. So now
it does being rich and successful count against you in
politics in New Zealand? Or has that always been an
argument and I've just missed those you know?

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Do we want?

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I mean, the question really is do we want people
to lead? Do we want to be led by successful
business people who have made it out in the world,
people who have focused their lives on becoming experts on politics,
or people that are doing it hard and have been
in the trenches and are still in the trenches and
know how it feels to be at the bottom.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, this is going to be a great chat. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Nine two ninety two. The phone lines have already lit up.
But let's get into it. Does being rich and successful
kunt of gets you in politics now? And what does
down to Earth actually mean?

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:11):
The text machine is full of baseball fans on nine
two nine two. So many baseball fans in New Zealand there, it's.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Really really blowing up.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
People love it.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
But yeah, also people that are addicted to overseas teams.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I understand Matt Born and bred Kiwi, but addicted to
Liverpool FC fan for fifty years.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Go figure, they need some rehab for you.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Fellas it happens, you didn't mean it to happen, but
you just see a team and you get converted and
all of a sudden you love them.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
What are you supposed to do? It is thirteen past
one bag very shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler the.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Very good afternoon. So Chris Hopkins has taken aim at
Christopher Luckson's success and wealth when it comes to his
property portfolio. So who actually makes the best leaders? Those
with impressive resumes and business and politics or those who
have faced life's tough as challenges. Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
This Texas is in most countries they celebrate success. In
New Zealand, the left always want to knock the rich.
This has been an issue hold New Zealand back for
the past ten years or so. This text of those
says Luxon doesn't know how to be humble. He hasn't
set up a business with his own money. He knows
nothing about risk and struggling on a manager's salary.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
That he would receive. It's so interesting that thing that.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
You have to be humble someone doesn't needs to be,
as long as it's not being falsely humble, if you
just have to say, oh, I haven't done you know this?

Speaker 3 (08:32):
And that is that is a weakness in New Zealand,
and that false humility because we think, well, this is
obviously my view, but I think that's that ingrained cycle
that you can't be too boastful, when you can't be
too arrogant, so that leads to false humility when you
might not be. And I'm guilty of it as much
as an expand.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, what about when you go around to a rich
friend's house and they go, oh, welcome to my cottage.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know, we're just mucking through, you know, and they
start a nice house, you know, isn't it better to
describe things exactly as they are, and if they are
very if you happen to be very successful, then it's
not necessarily boasting to just describe reality, right exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I find it worse when people you know, like you know, say,
for example, the rock band U two, whenever they win award,
they go up dressed like homeless people. Not so much anymore,
but for a while they did. You're like, come on,
we know how we know how rich you are?

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Bono, You're a billionaire, yeah exactly, but rich from hipkins.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
He's never had a job. He's been on the taxpayer
welfare ticket for his whole working life. I think he
has had jobs outside of government for a while. He
was a I think he was a trainee manager for
an energy company at one point before he started, you know,
working for very various politicians in parliament. So after his

(09:49):
BA I think he was also a policy advisor for
the Industry Training Federation.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Does that make you more down to earth as a leader,
you know? I mean, it's an interesting question that a
lifetime of being in politics, does that make you better
equipped to be able to serve or Dares that mean
that you've been in the system them too long forever.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
Welcome to the show. Your opinion on all this?

Speaker 7 (10:12):
Hey you go to Well, first of all, I got
to say I wish I was richest Chrystals Luckton. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't particularly worry me. I wouldn't be too ashamed
to tell people what I've got and how I've got it.
But I just want to say that I don't think
it actually matters to be a prime minister. You have
battled all your life not much, or you've sort of
had had a lot of money or made a lot
of money. A couple of examples I can think of,

(10:34):
like we had Norm Kirk, very popular prime minister, blood
by a lot of people, and he was definitely a batler.
He sort of built his own first house and stuff
like that. And then you get somebody like John Key
who had a lot of money, but he was he
won three lectures, didn't he? I mean, he was, he
was popular. So I just think that, you know, having
the money or no money, I think it's the person themselves.

(10:57):
But what will I what I would say? And I
want to say this about Crystal Luckton and maybe oh
and John Key. They definitely didn't do this job for
the money, because we know that the world that they
work and lived in, they could earn millions of dollars
a year. So at least we have no with those
two guys. They're doing this job for another reason.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Well, yeah, Trevor Chris Fluxen made four point two million
in his final year in New Zealand and he gets
five hundred and ten thousand as the Prime minister. So
I mean, would you give up three point seven million
dollars give yourself?

Speaker 7 (11:33):
Well, we did, right, and that's why I have a
you know, people that have a little bit goer them
that money he's made. But he's not totally agreed. He
is there because you know, for the next ten years
he could be out making even more money because he's
worked for some big companies in America. So I just
think if you know, people who've made a lot of
money come in and maybe end up prime minister, I
like to feel that they're not doing it for the money.

(11:55):
They're actually doing it because they want to make New
Zealand a better place. And just just a point about
minister having to go to other ministers. I mean the
number one bloody suspect is Jinny Anderson. She's always going
on about Luxeon and Nikola Will has been out of
touch with real people, and I just want to remind Ginny.
I mean, Ginny has just been on the last school
of holidays. She went over to Europe with a couple

(12:16):
of kids and has that and good on her, absolutely
good honors. She went over and on the way home,
they decide to stop at Dubai, you know that fancy
pants water park, one of the most fancy pant water
parks in the world, because the kids wanted to go there.
And I'm just wondering if Ginny really think that that
type of holiday lends her to relate to the people
that she represents down on the hut belly here.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah. Well, it's interesting you say that, Trevor, because you
know that is good on her.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Absolutely she's done well in life and she should absolutely
go and celebrate there with their family and beautiful, how
how good? But then you've got you know, on Instagram,
labors are blasting out things like this, lux and is
so out of touch. She has no idea what life
is like for most New Zealanders. Couldn't you know that's
that's a hard attack to make when you are also

(13:04):
going on holidays and living in life that most New
Zealanders can't afford.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
There's a centin amount of hypocristocracy. Hypocrisy is the word
I was going to say, Trevor, I was going to
say hypercritality, which isn't a word, but hipoxy is what.

Speaker 8 (13:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
No, I just find that people that just said they
should just take a look in their own backyard and
say that's pretty good because the area that she does represent,
you know, in Wellington's probably not you know, one of
the richer there is. I mean to say Nicola Willis
doesn't live in the real world. I mean, I think
Nichola has got two or three teenager daughters in that
and you're telling me that Nicola Willis doesn't understand, you know,

(13:41):
kids getting up, going to school, doing what they are told,
coming home, and she probably even goes shopping in the
local supermarket in Carori. And just to say that she's
out of touch with people because she appears to be wealthy.
I just get sick of Jinny Ethan, especially the last
school holidays when she'd come on with Mike Hosking telling
us that she's over in Europe and they're on their
way to do buy so just just to to visit,

(14:03):
just to visit a fancy swimming pool over there.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I had to say, Politics Wednesday and the Osking Breakfast
is a must lessen very enjoyable.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Those three are so good together. They give each other
a lot, a lot of stick, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
This Texas says, Hi, guys, I'm not left or right.
There is, but there is definite conflict of interest when
politicians get to set the rewards on property gains that
the likes of Luxel and John Key have made damn
near millions on this wrongdoing, so wrong, Carol. Yeah, but
you've they've also lost. I mean, I don't know if
they have or not. That's an interesting thing. But they've

(14:39):
also chosen to go into public service and at financial
loss to themselves.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, exactly, a great financial loss to themselves, particularly in
the case of John Key.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
And you can kind of argue that any any degree
of you know, what you do in parliament affects the
landscape you live in.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
So, I mean, is the accusation that politicians continually make
it easier for property owners because they are property owners themselves,
or you could also argue that most people in New
Zealand are property owners.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
And that's it. Yeah, That's where I push back is
that they are responding, Yeah, responding to the constituents rather
than their own benefit. Vaughn and welcome with the shame.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Are killer Brough? How are you going? God?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yep, sorry, just had unprofessionally Vaughn had a sip of
coffee just as I was going to say, thank you
for joining us.

Speaker 9 (15:32):
A sip of coffee is professional on my book. Yeah, Hey,
good topic we're on.

Speaker 10 (15:38):
Look, just listening to it.

Speaker 9 (15:39):
And what triggered me was the comment about does someone
need to be of substantial wealth? You know the way
that they recruit politicians these days. You're not going to
get through the process as a broken us, right, They're
going to credit check and there through, so you're going
to have some form of net worth if you're going
to get to be the laborate leader of a major party.
But I think that it's optics and there's kind of

(16:01):
like examples all the way through Chris's tenure as the
leader of the National Party where he's reread the room
badly goes right back to the day cortab ced is
a few yards down the road to take over as
the leader of National And so I think whoever's advising
him on how he optically appears, because no one like he.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Deserves all as well.

Speaker 9 (16:21):
He's obviously worked hard. But I think that you know,
you've got to read the room of those that are
going to judge, because politics is a thinkless task. No
matter what you're going to people are going to take
you down. And if you don't think they, don't be
a politician. So that I think that he could have
done so much better and sort of how he's managed that.

(16:42):
John Key was the master. Everybody knew he was wealthy
and he managed that well, you know, really really well.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
He had a great story though didn't need John Key
because he was single mum, State House and it's hard
to and look, Luxeon doesn't come from from lofty position
in life, well particularly lofty position in life. But that
John Keys story is pretty compelling, isn't it. Christ Church,
single mum to you know, you know, master of business

(17:13):
around the world.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
You know that that's that's a good story.

Speaker 9 (17:17):
And when Chris was on his way and it looked
like he was attach to be the next leader of National,
I think you know, his credentials were an absolutely positive
and still are to some degree. I'll just pick up
it on one other thing. You said that people have
gone into those positions a great loss or loss. They
haven't lost anything. They're just four feated opportunity, you know,
to take a half million dollar job instead of when

(17:38):
they could have had a five million dollar job. But
they're certainly not going backwards, so they've got probably all
they need. So it's declining, you know, the opportunity to
benefit as opposed to losing something. They have actually lost anything.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I mean one thing, getting paid four point two million
in your final year at in New Zealand gives you
as options in life, doesn't true, So you can choose
that because some people, some people don't have the option
to go into public service potentially. Yeah, in the same
way I means, you know, the Prime minister's paid handsomely
five hundred and ten thousand dollars a year, but you know, yeah,

(18:15):
it can.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Be risky if you don't get elected and lets you
to be honest, you know, it's a three year term.
So if they don't like, yeah, you're out on your bum.
And for most of them, they don't get much after that.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, but if you've got twenty million dollars in the bank,
let's say, for example, you're you know, generationally sorted. You know,
the idea that you need to worry about your family
or your grandchildren, anything like that, that's been taken off
the board, so you can look at other options.

Speaker 9 (18:39):
I think probably the thing is that with as well,
you know, he deserves everything he's got, and it's more
probably those who go and off and do dumb stuff
like try and hide twenty five punds or whatever. I
find that more offensive because it's kind of like, you know,
if you've got it, because when you've become a politician,
it will be found. Everyone's digging looking back.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
They can't believe the people that what was his name?
Would yeah Scar with this ars?

Speaker 3 (19:05):
What was he thinking?

Speaker 11 (19:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Absolutely, I mean I don't think that you're in the
most scrutinized job in the entire country, don't you not
just go through into a full audit and make sure
everything is in line.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
That That blows my mind, And they gave him a chance.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
He still didn't do it.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (19:19):
Well, I mean when you've become a politician, the public
and see the inside your underpants, so you just need
to be aware of it exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all good.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Good to get your thoughts, mate, Thanks very much for
giving us a buzz. Love to hear your take on this.
One oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. When
it comes to our politicians and our leaders, do you
want to be led by someone successful in business or
maybe successful in politics, or someone who's been in the
trenches and know how hard it is at the bottom.
Love to get your thoughts. If you If you love

(19:48):
lux and so much, why don't you marry him?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Says this text. Well, I think we're just having a discussion. Also,
he's heavily married to he's got a lovely wife, fantastic wife.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah it could a good runner. Actually looks like she
can bench serious, got some good arms. I thgon she
could do one twenty yeah, easy, twenty eight past one.

Speaker 6 (20:05):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the make asking
breakfast to result aside.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Has this been exciting for the farming community or not really?

Speaker 12 (20:13):
Certainly it's one of the biggest decisions Fronterira shiholders will make.
It's been an eighteen month process, so there's no doubt.

Speaker 9 (20:19):
There's been really.

Speaker 12 (20:20):
Strong engagement from our farmers in real interest and what
it means for us as supplies of milks.

Speaker 13 (20:24):
How much is it just about the chair I'm getting
four hundred thousand dollars, yes or no? And how much
of it's about the bigger picture, the long term deals,
what it means, et cetera.

Speaker 12 (20:31):
This is our wildlihoods will be supplying milk well after
any capital return up to vote successful. So we have
encouraged farmers to look through the capital return.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
They have engaged in that.

Speaker 13 (20:42):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk ZB it is.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Twenty nine to two. Have plenty of texts coming through
a ninet two nine two.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Why do you need seven houses you can only live
in one?

Speaker 3 (20:53):
It's just greedy?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well yeah, I mean that's interesting question. Why do you
need seven hours you can earn live in one? You
can live in more than one. I mean, Hopkins has
got a beach house, isn't it. Yeah, Luckson's two of
Luckson's one of I'm not sure he's got seven hous
he's got seven properties, hasn't he?

Speaker 3 (21:09):
At one point?

Speaker 5 (21:10):
Anyway?

Speaker 2 (21:10):
But there's the one he lives in when he's in
Wellington and the one he lives in when he's in Auckland. Yeah,
as two of them, so he at least needs those two.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
But have been the same for gold or shares. You know, what,
do you need one hundred thousand apple shares?

Speaker 7 (21:24):
Well?

Speaker 3 (21:24):
I do know, because it's a good way to generate wealth,
same with gold, same with any other esset. I mean
it is a legitimate way to be able to build
wealth in New Zealand, and it's something we've all been
told for a long time. That is how you get
on the property letter and build wealth. Let you who has.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Only exactly what they need to survive, cast the first stone,
I'd say. I mean, you only really need one pair
of shoes and one pair of pants, don't you.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, very good point.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
You only really need one pair of underpants. You just
wash them in the sink every night, turn them over,
put them on a rotation.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
You know how far?

Speaker 3 (21:53):
How far could this argument go?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, very true, Probably too far. Already a couple more texts. Hi, guys,
this is typical key. We talk poppy syndrome.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Get over it.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
The vast majority of people who have money have worked
incredibly hard to get there where they are in life.
It's about time people started looking after themselves in stead
of simply wanting more labor. Are showing their true colors
and attacking others personally said this in the news recently,
Debi Narrowapaka owns a bunch of ourses. You failed to
declare everyone in Parliament is out of touch in terms

(22:21):
of money. This question is this Texas is isn't the
more important question whether it's okay that our prime minister
is earning six hundred thousand and not paying tax on it. Well,
that might be the more important question to you, but
it's not the question we're asking. We're asking that question
has been asked a lot. We're asking a different question.
We're asking if things have changed and now does being

(22:42):
rich and successful now count against you in politics in
terms of their attax. But whatever you think about capital
gains tax, you have paid money because you know, you
pay tax on what you earn paid GSD whatever, and
then capital gains tax is taxing you again.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yep, you could argue, right, yeah, and that is a
very fair argument. And that's what a lot of people
are saying when it comes to this policy, So.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
There's no doubt that you know, Christoph Luxe has paid
a lot of tax in his life, so he hasn't
paid no tax.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Right, we've got the headlines hot on our tails, but
taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
and coming up after the headlines, we have a chet
to David who reckons New Zealand culture just doesn't like
success anymore. It is twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 3 (24:50):
Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams. Thank you very much, Raylean.
So we're talking about Christopher Hopkins coming after Christopher Luxen
in terms of the money he made off the sale
of a couple of homes. But the question we've focused
on I've focused in on rather is does being rich
and successful count against you in politics now? Because they
use in it labor is a bit of an attack line.

(25:12):
So I love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
This person supports the attack line. He is absolutely out
of touch. He does not know what it's like to
be poor like poor people do. Maybe politicians should be
made to work minimum wage and say a fast food
job for a year so they know before.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
They go in what it's like.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
That'd be interesting.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
One sort of like a military service, where before you
go in you have to, like if you're Christopher Hipkins,
you have to you know, leave parliament and you know,
leave your your studying after you study. If you're going
to go into politics, you have to do a year
on minimum wage.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
You know what it's like. I'm not against that TV.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
And if you're Christopher Luxon and you're leaving in New
Zealand on four point two million, before you go into parliament,
you have to do a year working at McDonald's.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Good suggestion. Well, Trump famously did it an afternoon at McDonald's.
He enjoyed it. I mean, he loves he loves McDonald's.
Isn't he the best of times? And he looked like
he was having a ball of a time. It's easy
to have a ball of a time for an hour.

Speaker 14 (26:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, Well once you've been doing it for do for
for you know, fifty weeks. Get back me, get back
to me on that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
It's an interesting one though, isn't it, Because you could
but then you could argue that if you're going to
be that you need to run a business for a
year before you go into politics or something.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
You know.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, I mean if you have.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Do you have to experience every part of life in
New Zealand before you can go in You need to
be a teacher for a year so you can talk
about education.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, that's a lot of education. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? Get a duncan?

Speaker 15 (26:40):
How do you have gone?

Speaker 4 (26:41):
God?

Speaker 3 (26:42):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 16 (26:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (26:45):
No, Like.

Speaker 15 (26:48):
I think the Prime Minister needs to understand both finance
and the cultural population cultural holi cultural? Or do I
just mean the attitude of the country. So like just
be four years we're talking about John Key and I
agree he was actually very really good for the country,

(27:11):
but what could his National Party do for farmers and
his two terms? Nothing that comes to anyway. And this
country is just one giant farm mate, It's it's always
been a backbone.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Do you not think Christopher lux And understands that.

Speaker 17 (27:31):
I take it your farmer, duncan, well, can I family
sold the farm just before I got to high school,
but come from about four generations of dairy farmers before
that month.

Speaker 15 (27:45):
But I like living in the city on one sort
of work in the trades and that sort of stuff.

Speaker 14 (27:53):
All.

Speaker 15 (27:53):
Like I said, country is just a big farm. It's
it's always been a financial backbone, you know. And or
someone like John Key to do a lot of good
but also completely ignore the backbone of the country. I
think that would be.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Do you think who do you who do you think
represents farmers best? In Parliament now.

Speaker 15 (28:21):
Over the last few months national have been actually giving
them attention and they seem to farmers seem to be
liking the results. I was watching Parliament TV a couple
of months ago and there was a fellow in the
act Party that was talking about it that farming. He

(28:45):
seemed pretty pretty onto it. But you can't just rely
on farming. You've got to have business as well. And
I think a leader needs to understand not only finance,
but you know the attitude of the country and as
strong an ex weak points and what how.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Do you how do you think what do you need
to have done to be able to understand all these parts?
Do you think you have to have lived them or
do you think you can get there just by studying them.

Speaker 14 (29:16):
Well?

Speaker 15 (29:17):
As a leader of a party, yes, so fine, so
business as your strong point in farming is not. As
a leader of party, you should have people in your
caucus that are strong for you are weak.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, that's they seems smart?

Speaker 14 (29:36):
Do that?

Speaker 4 (29:37):
You know?

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Surround yourselves with experts, absolutely, David, your thoughts on this?

Speaker 18 (29:43):
Yeah, how are you great?

Speaker 19 (29:46):
I've always wanted to call up, never had the opportunity
or never.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Anyway, Well, hey, David, thank thank you so much for
calling up. We really appreciate being your your first the
recipient of your first call, and it means a lot.

Speaker 19 (30:00):
Don't be a stranger, David, No, thank you for listening
to me, lost for training to thought.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Now.

Speaker 19 (30:07):
I've been a trade all my life. I'm seventy one
now and I'm still working as a trade. I'm a
brick and blocklar. We've had hard times throughout the years,
but I think my main point about your argument is
a people's mindset. Your mindset. I've always striven to get

(30:31):
ahead no matter what situation. I was on the doll
for four weeks when we had two young girls, and
it was pretty desperate times. I actually built a dinghy
while I was off work, you know, instead of crying
about things, I just you know, and eventually I got

(30:53):
back to work. And now that I'm at my age,
I've built my own house. We're living comfortably. Both our
kids have got their kids and they're doing really well.
And it's all about mindset. People have criticize other people
who are doing well. They need to look at themselves

(31:14):
in the mirror and say, why aren't I doing well?
You know, what can I do to improve myself? Instead
of criticizing chrus Sipkins is just leading almost a third
of the country with his criticism, and it's I That's
why I rang up. I just get frustrated with people
like that. You know, they're just for one of a

(31:35):
better word, they're just losers. They need to change their mindset.
Anybody can be anything. That's what I used to say
to my kids. If you want to be something, you
can be it. You know, just think of something you
want to be and we'll make it happen.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
So when did you start giving that advice to your kid?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I was actually going for a walk with my son yesterday,
so we were walking the dog, and he was talking
about what he wanted to do in life, and I
was trying to rustle up some good advice, as you
do as a dad, and I said to him, in life,
you just have to try and be You can't compare
yourself with other people. You've just got to compare yourself
with you yesterday and try and incrementally be better yesterday

(32:12):
today than you were yesterday. And then you'll fail and
you'll succeed. But as long as you're always trying to
be just a little bit better, then over ten years
you'll be you'll probably be quite amazing.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
And that that was all like a rustle up on
the spot there. It's pretty good, pretty good.

Speaker 19 (32:27):
No, that's that's pretty good. I mean the kids need
a mentor. Everybody needs a mentor, even grown people. You know,
if you're playing sport, you always want to be as
good as the best player. Yeah, somebody is wealthy. You
want to find out how they got wealthy and how
you can you know who.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Is your mentor? David, So you're in there and things
weren't were pretty tough for you, So who gave you
that advice? And and the follow up question? You know
because you talk about empathy of people that have been
in a situation. You've been and you pulled yourself out
and you're doing well now. But I take it you've
still got empathy for people who find themselves in the
situation you're in.

Speaker 20 (33:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (33:02):
I like I'm a helper.

Speaker 9 (33:03):
I like to help people, but.

Speaker 19 (33:07):
You know, at the end of the day, people have
to help themselves. One of my daughters was about, I
don't know, twenty ish and she was an artist. She'd
been through elim and she wanted a career that sort
of followed that, and so I said, well, you know,
whatever you want to be, you can be it. What

(33:28):
do you interior designer?

Speaker 7 (33:29):
What don't you get?

Speaker 19 (33:30):
So she she did a couple of courses and became
an interior designer. And so it's just a matter of
helping helping a kid well answer their questions, you know. Yeah.
But anyway, that getting back to the Christal reduction and
helpskins and stuff, I just think.

Speaker 18 (33:52):
It's a load of rubbish.

Speaker 19 (33:53):
It's people need to wake up to themselves, get them
mentor if they have to change their mindset, go out,
get a job, save some money, you know, have kids,
look after them nicely, don't bloody. You know, we need
to We've got a lovely place here. It's just there

(34:13):
are a few people that are ruining for the rest
of us.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
You know.

Speaker 19 (34:18):
New Zealand is a great place and we need more business.
We need. I've actually drove today down to Helensall and
there's a few shops that have closed down. But we
used a tire place for the first time, and there
were about five days that were empty. Mind you, we
were the first customers and I thought, jeez, I that

(34:40):
guy's taking a risk. I hope he does really well.
I hope people just get in there and give him
my hand, you know, because he's a he's an entrepreneur,
you know. You know, that's that's the kind of thing
we need.

Speaker 10 (34:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Well, people sometimes forget the risks that people have taken
to be successful. They've hung it all out there on
the line and gone through terror and and you know,
and just struggle to get where they are. And then
when there's successful people, people say, you know, you got lucky, yeah,

(35:11):
or hassle you for your success. But if no one
takes these risks, then none of us move forward. It's
good on you, David. What a great call. Thank you
so much for a calling for the first time, and
please call back in the future.

Speaker 18 (35:24):
Thank you very much, guys, and I thank you.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Love that. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number of call. We're going to play some messages,
but a quicktique to the break.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Ironic the right often say the left have never run
a business. There's this texture, so they wouldn't know. Apparently
the argument doesn't swing the other way, right, So what
does that mean? So ironic that the rights often says
that the left have never run a business, so they
wouldn't know. Apparently the argument doesn't swing the other way.
Is that meaning that if you have never been in politics,

(35:57):
then text, text, could you clarify that? I want to
I want to understand. I want to understand what you're
trying to say.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
There there's something in there currently too done to decipher it,
so helpisatic. It is twelve to two, Baggery shortly taking
your calls on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 9 (36:14):
Have a chat with the.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Mart Heathen Tyler
Adams afternoons used talk.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Said be afternoon. It's nine to two. So many texts
coming through on nine two ninety two. So this Texas
says this is high. I'm far from a Labour suporterer.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
But if you look at the comments from Christopher Hipkins,
he isn't against the increased wealth, but rather the lack
of tax being paid on it. Yeah, but that's not
the question we're asking. We're saying, this is just another
of the attacks that have been that the Labor Party
is running on their line of Christopher Luxe and being
out of touch. I mean they posted in August Luxeon
is out of touch and has no idea what it's

(36:50):
like for most New Zealanders struggling to pay bills. Wealthy
and out of touch. Prime Minister Christopher Luxe and battles
polling Blues. Fifty one percent of people think he's out
of touch. We're just so, we're just saying that the
question is here. I mean, look here, this is another
one from.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
Labor.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Luxeon is out of touch. He has no idea what
life is like for most New Zealanders. Another Labour post
crystpher Luxtion is out of touch. Another one, Christoph Luxon
thinks he knows bottom feeders and bloods and free That's
not it. I'm just going through these here, So it's
an attack. There's so many of them popping up, and
when I do the search on it, there's so many

(37:28):
of that attack. So we're just asking the question. It's
not necessarily specific about this particular attack on the accusations
that he's made money flipping properties. We're just asking the question,
does being rich and successful now counter against you in
politics in New Zealand? And there's no doubt that that
is an attack line from laborat Christopher Luxe.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
They are using that ahead of the election. Right, we're
going to play some messages, but when we come back,
we're taking more of your calls. On oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty seven to two, this.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Texas says, this is a conflict of interest. Mister Luxon
owns your radio station. That's why you boys are saying nothing.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Does he used to me? Does Christopher Luxeon own radio station?
That is news to me? Pretty sure it's on you
can buy she isn't it?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty it's mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons
news talks they be now it's four to two.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
We're a bit late here, but we're going to carry
this conversation on after two a clock. So the question
is who makes the best leaders, those with impressive resumes
and business or people who have been in the trenches
and understand the grind of everyday life.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
The sixty sis fifty one percent. So the people as
well as labor think he's out of touch. This person says,
perception is reality. He's a fruity tweat. Bring on Crusher
Collins or Erica Stanford.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Okay, right, that's right. I haven't heard that before, but
thank you.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, and people saying, oh my god, there's so many
coming through here, it's hard to keep up.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
But look, we'll get to them all.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
We'll get We've got to keep this guing.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
We've got to keep this going. That's what the people
want to talk about. And you're going to give the
people what they want sometimes.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
So eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Does
being rich in success will now countergainst you in politics
in New Zealand give us a ring.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
I love to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Absolutely, come on through New Sport and weather. It's fast approaching,
really good to have your company as always on this
Thursday afternoon. Hope it's pretty good. Wherever you're listening in
the country, stay right here. We will be back very shortly.
You are, of course listening to Matt and Silo.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
What's a fruity twat?

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I don't know. I'm going to google that.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talk ZIVY.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Very good afternoon. Sure it is six past two, so
we're carrying on this conversation because so many people we're
texting through and want to have a chat on oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. This is after Chris
Hopkins challenge Christopher Luxon and this is a line that
they've tatted out time and time again that he's out
of touch. The latest one was on their new capital
gains tax policy. Chris Hipkins said, why should people like

(40:08):
Christopher Luxen be able to earn more than six hundred
thousand dollars in one year from selling properties while the
people who don't have that go out and work hard
every day for a living and have to pay tax
on every single dollar.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, So really the question we're asking on O. E.
One hundred and eighteen eighty years. Does being rich and
successful now against you in politics and New Zealand or
has this always been an argument?

Speaker 3 (40:29):
I'm not so sure. It seems to me in my.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Perception, that it's being ramped up more and more. Certainly,
John Key wasn't hassled as much about his success as
Christopher Luxon is. So is that a change or is
it just a different person?

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
You know, and John Key had famously had that story
of growing up in a state house in christ Church
with a solo mum. But yeah, do you want to
be led by successful business people who then go into politics,
or people that have been focused and understand politics their
whole lives, or people that have been doing it hard
in the trenches and know how it feels to be

(41:05):
at the bottom.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Is really the question where asking oh, eight, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? So
many techs have been coming.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Through afternoon, gentlemen, says tenis so sorry, but this conversation
is doing my head In question, do I understand that
before a doctor is able to practice feminine medicine they
need to be a woman? That concept is insane? Is
expecting the Prime Minister to experience poverty before he can
take the role. These ridiculous arguments that prime minister has
a team of ministers who entrusted to various portfolios, the

(41:33):
PM delegates and managers. He doesn't need experience and everything.
I'm so so tired of miserable people focusing on something
as unimportant as what politicians do in their private lives.
Every employee is entitled to a private life, including all
public servants.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
They are entitled.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
There are internal audits, let's leave it to them. The
only thing I require from my House of Representatives is
grow our business. That's what they are employed by us
to do. If salaries are a focus, then they may
need to have a quick look at the salaries conditions
high court judges get make the PM salary look ridiculous.
Thank you for your robust discussion, kind regards, Tina nice text.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
I mean, just on that point, I would like to
see leaders go through some challenges in their life, and
arguably Christoph Luxon has had some challenges as well. John
Key certainly had challenges in his life. But how can
you understand the ins and outs and the woes and
the challenges of everyday people if you don't come across
that it's some stage. And I'll break it down even
further that if someone, for example, comes from a very

(42:34):
wealthy family and I feel that they haven't actually earned
that wealth, I would see them very differently to how
I see in this case Christopher Luxe and John Key
or even Chris Hopkins. They are all self made people,
and there's a lot of respect I have for those people,
but you still need to have an element there that
they know what it's like to face challenges or be
on the bones of your ass and maybe have to

(42:56):
live paycheck to paycheck at some stage in the life,
whether it was them or their parents or their grandparents.
So I still think that's important.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I Mean it's interesting because from the left they often
attack the success of the people on the right side
this situation with Christopher Luxen, But from the right they
attack people like Hipkins for you know, studying political science
at university, then becoming a parliamentary advisor and then going
into parliament. So both sides attack each other for not

(43:29):
having experience in the right way, you know. So the
attack on Luxen is that he's out of touch, because
you know, he's done well in life, right, And so
that's why there's so many attacks. As we keep pointing out,
this one from the New Zealand Abor Party luxeen is
out of tax, out of touch, has no idea what
it's like for most New Zealanders strugging to pay bills.

(43:49):
That was from Instagram in August this year. But equally,
you know, the text machines full of people attacking Hipkins
for just spending his life in taxpayer paid jobs within politics.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Right, which is fair criticism, you know for a lot
of people that is not the real world.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Well but maybe but also surely if you you know, okay,
So what I'm trying to say, Tyler, is that you
can if the argument is as this text here says,
where is it? Does a prison guard have to be
in prison for a year to actually understand how a
prisoner feels, or does maybe have to have a small

(44:29):
toe amputated so you understand pain and disability? Ridiculous premise
to think that you have to be poor to be empathetic.
So but you could easily say that, you know, Hipkins,
having never been part of business, will run a business?
Does he have to have run a business to understand
how business works? You see what I'm saying, yes both ways,
which is very fair. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty
is that number to call Craig Welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (44:52):
Hey guys, you hey, we've already had appoint minister that
workman a prison ship. Shold the look where she got.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Well.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
To be fair, Christoph Luxen did work in McDonald's for
a long time when he was younger.

Speaker 21 (45:05):
Listen, we just come on and go out and w
twenty million in lotto and everybody's saying how wonderful it is,
and good on them. Someone who's twenty million through share
hard work and taken miss and they're a rich thrick.
You know, we've got it all wrong. And what Preciptions

(45:26):
is doing is politically very well. Also stated he wants
to go after the wealthy. Socialism hates the wealthy, that
they're doing a great job of bringing the middle class
down and the lower class middle class are becoming very annoyed.

(45:46):
So they're bringing in the lack of empathy from the
wealthy and that kind of thing so he can get
the support to go after them. This is very dangerous
what he's doing, and that the guy does not have
people that are doing it toss their interests in mind.
If he did, he would be celebrating success, celebrating the

(46:11):
people that are making six hundred k a year on
houses or whatever. I'm working today in a house in Constante.
The house is absolutely gutting. Before I left site, i
counted up what we've had today. There's six builders, there's
a digger operator, there's me and my truck. There was
a drain layer. There are other people coming and going.

(46:34):
They're paying thousands. These rich bricks are paying thousands of
dollars this day to people they don't even know to
get another house done. That should be celebrated.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, it's an interesting idea that someone else's success is
at your expense, because you know, you want an economy
in New Zealand where you know it's growing and growing.
And so as you say someone else's success employees other people,
there is there does seem to be a view in
this country from some that if someone else is successful,

(47:14):
that is off the backs of other people. That's not
necessarily the case. Sometimes your success is actually helping other
people's success.

Speaker 21 (47:25):
And absolutely, and when when Hapkins gets his way and
the greens and that kind of thing, and they've got
they've destroyed any wealth in this country and we are
living under acist of these people that think there's going
to be wealthare and free healthcare and that kind of thing.

(47:45):
They've got another thing coming. I know, watch what your support,
because what this crowd is doing is trying to do
is bloody dangerous.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Craig, thank you very much for your phone call. I mean,
just when we look at John Ken you mentioned this
before that it wasn't such a big thing when he
came in to be Prime Minister, that his wealth wasn't
targeted to the same level. And you know, there's a
big question about why is that Why did John Key
manage to escape that sort of targeting from Labor whereas

(48:17):
Luxe and they've used it to the nth degree. And
is it because he had that backstory or because he
was just more empathetic or he had a firmer grasp
on what people really care about. I don't know the
answer to that question. It's just interesting to me that
there's that such difference between.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Well, yeah, I mean, maybe you know, Labor was attacking
John Key on his wealth, but it just wasn't sticking.
But it does seem to stick with Luxon and Does
that mean that the I don't know, the mood of
the nation has changed, that those attacks now work, or
is that that John key was better at managing them
or John Key's story was just better. Yeah, it was

(48:55):
a better story. You know, he could just go well,
I started off poor and I became rich, whereas Luxeon
started off middle class and became rich.

Speaker 22 (49:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
It's interesting though, isn't that.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, this sick says why can't any of you hosts
on zebe except the opinion of people on the left
instead of always spouting the agenda of your right wing masters.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I just give us your argument and we'll share it.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Every single argument that comes up we're trying to share,
so so you know, if you've got a really good
argument Texter that ends in six to one, send it
through and I guarantee I will read that out, Absolutely
promise you. I'm going to look up your text texture
that says that why can't any of the hosts on
zebe except the opinions of people on the list instead
of always spouting the agenda of your right wing masters.

(49:39):
I can also tell you that there's no agenda in
this place. We don't No one even talks to us
about anything exactly. I'm quite amazed that people just let
us on end and say whatever we want with virtually
no oversight.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
It's a massive roll of the dice.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
I don't even know who my.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Masters are really, but yes, send that through and we'll
give your opinion, I absolutely promise.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Yeah, and you can also come through an eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. That's a free number of courts
anytime you want. But we want to hear from other
listeners as well.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Can you unpack this one?

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Guys, Tyler, your analogy is saying to be a great
all Black they need to have a major injury. While
a great story on that. Look at Marananu, he's never
had a major injury and he's a great All Black.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
I don't think that was quite my analogy because you're
still on the ground playing as an all Black. So
you're there doing it. But thank you very much. Nineteen
nine two is that text number? It is seventeen past two?

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Wow, your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Very good afternoon. Sure it is twenty past two, So
does wealth, no matter how, you've got to become a
liability if you're a leader in this country. Oh, e
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Guys, It's not that he's out of touch because he
is successful. We are rightly attacking him for being out
of touch because he is out of touch. Anyone can
be out of touch. Why are you saying they out
of a touch? Attacks are about wealth? My kids are
out of touch. They aren't wealthy.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
I mean you can definitely be out out of touch
for being.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
And not be wealthy.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
It's a good point. Generational out of touch.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yeah, you know, well, you know like you do, try
and keep your kids a little bit out of touch
for as long as you can. So, I mean you
don't want them to be fully in touch, you know
otherwise that we have no be a tough childhood. You
don't want the full horror of the world to be
down on top of them. As long as possible, let
them know they're fun. Yeah, at least up to ten.
But I would say that this labor party post Luxon
is out of touch and has no idea what it's

(51:33):
like for most New Zealander is struggling to pay bills
from August twenty twenty five on Instagram. I would say
that that is attacking him on his perceived wealth.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
You know, it's it's definitely.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
You know, it may not be directly saying it, but
there's no one that could read that that isn't saying that.
It can't see that they're saying that he is wealthy
and therefore doesn't understand what it's like for people paying
their bills, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
One hundred percent. Yeah, Peter, you reckon Luxon is fair game.

Speaker 18 (52:07):
Absolutely, And if you look at the results of prime ministers,
which prime minister increased the standard of living in people
and New Zealand's economic well being. I haven't seen one
prime minister since the Labor Party's first Prime minister, Michael
Joseph Savage, who did state housing and all that sort

(52:29):
of stuff, and he was not a billionaire. And John Key,
I think was popular because he was rich and people thought, oh,
he's rich, so he'll look after the country. Well what
did he do.

Speaker 23 (52:42):
He sold.

Speaker 18 (52:45):
Forty nine percent of the electricity companies and a lot
of people say, oh, I don't disagree with that, but
he's you know, I support that party and I'll vote
for them. And what has the Labor Party done when
in office? Will they signed up to the new ferries?
They didn't put in the budget the cost of the infrastructure.
What is this new coalition government do? They had to

(53:07):
pay the ancelation fees because they didn't do their job
properly and they didn't want to change the tax system
onw on property. Well they did want to change it
regardless of the budget fallout. So so if you like property,
and this is whether it's Australia or other countries, you
know that seems to be the policy. And a lot
of politicians do own property and they are fair game,

(53:30):
especially if they're a prime minister who changes the you know,
the taxation on property while they're prime minister, and you
could argue that, you know, he's fair game simply on
that basis alone.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah, I think we all agree, Peter that politicians are
fair game and we're never going to live in a
world where an opposition party doesn't come up with the
tack lines. But we're just really asking whether there's been
a shift in the way people think. So you say,
John Key, he came and it was celebrated, I believe,
and this is how I remember I might be remembering

(54:03):
it wrong. His success was celebrated and seeing a strength
as a strength when it came to campaigning as such.
So really the question we're asking Peters, does being rich
and successful now account against you in politics in New
Zealand in a way it didn't before. Do you think
that's a case. Do you think there's been a shift
in our thinking? Because you know what the pushback that

(54:27):
Christph Luxeen got when he said I'm sorted for example,
you know why do you think there was so much
or am I wrong? Was there just the same pushback
on John Key? It just didn't stick well.

Speaker 18 (54:38):
I think John Key, because he didn't have so much
money invested in property, he was a harder target for that.
But the Labor Party did try and attack him for
one of his previous employers in America, and that didn't
sort of work that well because a lot of people
didn't understand what they were getting at, and so that failed.
They failed to attack him, and he went because they

(55:01):
attacked and they actually promoted. I mean he did quite well.
Whereas I think the current Prome ministers has political IQ,
if you like, is not as clever as John Key,
and I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to be
replaced you in the next twelve months or in the
next couple of years. I just don't think he's got

(55:23):
the political instinct of you know, someone for that position
really and he hasn't really had a life in politics either.
And as for people who are in parliament as advisors
to an office and become leaders and all that, I
don't like those sort of people becoming parliamentarians either because
they're just all in it for the.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Who's the perfect is it the Michael Joseph Savage, is
that the sort of perfect background to become into politics.

Speaker 18 (55:52):
Well, I'm judging them on results, not on what they are.
So you think anyone anyone the country.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Right, So you're saying, basically, it doesn't matter how they
get there or what their background is. It's what they
do when they're in there, and anyone is capable of
of you know, the right person is capable of doing
the job.

Speaker 18 (56:14):
And it's the evidence they leave behind the legacy. And
if you look at the legacies have lots of American politicians,
they seem to get very wealthy when they leave. And
in the current prison in the US, he seems to
be get very wealthy, and some people think he's made
more money than anyone else while he's been president.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
Look at the Barack Obama's house.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Oh my goodness, hypocritic.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Yeah, the amount to the Mount Tony Blair made when
he They all do pretty well that that that kind
of stuff is scary, how much they get paid to
speak on Wall Street and stuff. But what do you think, Peter,
just quickly before we go about the argument that's coming
through now that people basically to you know, politicians should
have lived in poverty for great periods of time to

(57:03):
fully understand what.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
It's like to be poor.

Speaker 18 (57:07):
Well, I think that it's an argument. It's just to
say that politicians are so disconnected. They live in a
very structured bubble on who they speak to. Their secretaries
sort of say who they can associate with, or what
correspondence they see and all that sort of stuff. I
knew someone who used to work for Derek Quiglynn. He

(57:27):
was the one who did the coup for taking on Muldoon.
I knew his senior private secretary and then his senior
private secretary were Muldoon lasted the coup, didn't lose his
job as Prime minister. He went on to work for
Maldoon because he would have known everyone who was against Muldoon.

(57:49):
And then this particular senior private secretary rang me in
the nineteen eighty four elections. See Peter, what's happening out there?
I said, Oh, well, Maulddudn's lost labor are definitely going
to win. And what did he do? He went on
to become David Longi's senior private secretary and the civil
Service to a hotel guests and we know they're always

(58:11):
checking out.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
Well there we go.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Yeah, I mean that's the that's the plot to the
TV series. Yes, minister, Yeah, interesting insight, Thank you very much.
Beat it. It is twenty seven pas too back in.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
A mow.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on used talks.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
DB talks, hed b. It is being on half pass too.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
It's property, you muppets. Getting rich is fine, but flicking
property without paying tax to get rich is gross, says
this texter. Hi, there, lads, there's nothing really to be
gained with having someone like Christoph Luxe and being held
back to try and see what it's like to suffer,
because he never will, even if you took everything off
him today so that he had to start from broke
again tomorrow. I beat you by Christmas. He had already

(58:56):
be passed half of New Zealand. You'll never hold back
someone ambitious. They will just naturally do whatever they have
to do to get going again and will be successful
again in no time. People just need to change their
mindset and stop moaning about all the people that are successful.
If somehow we could fix that, New Zealand would be
a much better place.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Here's Reagan. Yeah, very good text.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Give me a rich give me a good, rich politician
over a bad poor one any day.

Speaker 5 (59:23):
Hi guys, Hi boys.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I saw Hipkins helping to lift furniture out of flood
at homes when Auckland floods were raging. I didn't see
any other pollies helping that emergency. Hipkins, like the other pollys,
could have just driven past, but he didn't. Chris Hipkins
helped out. And I will always remember that. That's from
Wayne good On.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
It's a great thing to do. Good on him. Yeah,
and that's a nice one there from Troy. Gents. You
may not know this. Yes, I've done a few things.
I stood against Chris Luxen for selection and national and
botany and got to the top five. So spend quite
a bit of time with him. He genuinely worked so hard.
And how much money he has or doesn't should not

(01:00:04):
even come into it. That's from Troy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Yeah, I mean, I think on ballot after this long conversation,
I think you know, there's been arguments on both sides, yep,
robust arguments on both sides. But I think anyway, judging
by our texts machine, people do not begrudge success in politicians.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Yeah, great chat, Thank you very much to everyone who
phoned in text on that. Coming up after the headlines,
let's have a chat about jury service. Many of us
get the call up and it turns out, Mett Heath,
you have just got your call up.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I deferred it, but now I have to go in
and do my jury service. Is that Is that something
I should be annoyed about or proud about?

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
And should we stop pushing back and deferring jury services
and just suck it up for the good of the nation,
for the good of this great country of ours and
our justice system and just go along.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Yep? And not defer it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
And ye would like to hear your thoughts on jury
service and your experiences doing jury service.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call? Nine to ninety two Jury Service love
to get your stories. That is twenty eight to three.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
And apologies to all the hundreds and hundreds of texts
we didn't get to read out and all the calls
we couldn't go to. We just had too many, so many.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
We love you, you know that. Yeah, so that's why
we gave it an hour and a half. Yeap, he'd
got to move on. Do headlines coming up?

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
Jus talks.

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dairy Fonterra Farmer shareholders have voted overwhelmingly in favor of
selling the iconic Kiwi brands to French company Lactalis for
four point two billion dollars. There are two new measles

(01:01:51):
cases in Auckland, bringing the national total to thirteen. National
public health services. Dr Nick Chamberlain says the risk of
exposure across the country.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Is very high.

Speaker 8 (01:02:02):
Well the nine hundred thousand New Zealanders could be at
risk of a major flooding event if the climate warms
three grease. A teen cricketer has died in Australia, struck
in the head and neck warming up for a match.
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They're set to cause disruption through summer. Firefighters are threatening

(01:02:24):
to strike again despite heading back to the bargaining table.
The NZED Professional Firefighters Unions issued too notices for one
hour full stoppages from midday for next Friday and the
following week. The problems with our electoral system and what's
needed to fix them. You can read the full column
at ENZ Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
News Talk ZED B. Thank you very much. Raylean. It
is twenty four to three. So let's have a chat
about this jury service.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
It's kind of a cathartic check for me because I'm
being forced to go in and do jury service.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
I mean, I do want it. I've got a romantic
idea of it and I want to be part of
the system. And I want to see how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
And I've never done it before, but I was randomly
selected and then deferred it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Now and now I'm going in. But you know, I
just want to ask question.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Is it something that we should willingly and happily do
instead of acting like it's an inconvenience. Is it something
that we should see as a duty in our lives.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Would it be better if they did it on the weekend.
I'm just trying that out there randomly because at the moment, Look,
it's a lot about life admin for yourself. You've got
a live radio show that you do that you kind
of have to be there during Monday to Friday. If
they just had a couple of jury trials on the weekend,
that would suck for you, but it would least it
would make life Edmond a little bit easier to sort.
Do they do no court on the weekend at all?

Speaker 14 (01:03:43):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
No, hell no, no, no, no, Well that's bloody stupid.
It is night court. What about night court? You could finish,
You could finish at four o'clock and then shoot down
to night court. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I think we've solved
this already. Well, don't they do it on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
The weekend, because I mean even if it's even you know,
even if some of.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
It was in the weekend, then it would help. You know,
I think lawyers charged quite a bit, so they call
out it's like a test match.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
You know, you have some of the days of Test
match across the weekend, so people can go, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten to eighty. If you've
recently been caught up for jury service, how did it go?
What kind of trial was it? If you can speak
of it, speak about it obviously, if it has been
underway incompleted, you can say most of the things as
we understand it. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Eighty Graham, welcome the show. Sounds like you're not a
fan of jury duty.

Speaker 22 (01:04:32):
Hey, just a quick comment on the previous topic. Absolutely,
John Key got nailed by the left. He was the
recipient of the infamous Michael cullen rich Pricks comment Parliament.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Yeah took us an hour and a half and we
forgot that. Thanks but anyway, but it didn't stick. It
didn't It didn't stick, did it, Graham? That's training It
didn't stick.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Like yeah, Teflon John matchless much. I think for some
reason Luxon is just a bit more sticky when it
comes to the barbs.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:05:02):
Yeah, anyway, anyway, moving on, Yeah, be careful what you
wish for jury service. Honestly, I've done it twice, and yeah,
the most unfulfilling first time was the most unfulfilling experience
in my life, because you know, you're not there to
I guess, decide what should happen to the defendant. You

(01:05:25):
are just there to administer justice, says per the legal system. So,
first case was grandmother was looking after her two grandchildren.
Mother had kind of dumped them at the grandchild's gone
off with their boyfriends. They got some got picked up,
breaking car. Earl was by the police. Didn't want to

(01:05:45):
tell the cops where he lived, but in the end
they found out he was with his grandmother. So it
turns out that she was beating the kids with all
sorts of things, sticks and her fists and all of
this sort of stuff. So there's a son and a
daughter and on the face of it, it was a
clear cut assault case. So there was twenty five charges

(01:06:07):
and we convicted her on eighteen. But diving deeper, the
kids had never been attending school regularly before. When since
unless until they went to their grandmothers. They were getting
three square meals a day generally speaking, their discipline and
things had improved. So the answer wasn't to jail the grandmother.

(01:06:31):
It was to get her some help to bring up
the kids. Case took about two years to get to court,
and between times kids had gone back to live with
their mother. The daughter, who was fourteen at the time
she was removed from my grandmother, was sixteen and pregnant
by the time the case got to court, and we
were just kind of going, well, the answer here is
not to convict the grandmother, and the judge was like,

(01:06:53):
it's not your job to play welfare advocate to administer
the law as it stands. And I found it the
most mentally draining thing that I've ever done in my life.
For five days, you know, there was lots of detail
that the family came in and they were all her

(01:07:13):
daughter's testified for her and said what a great mum
she was and stuff like that. But yeah, and you know,
the evidence was pretty horrific and stuff as well, and yeah,
I was just so you so you so, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
My romantic idea of your going and to you know,
do your bit for your country and your society and
the justice system that we all depend on. When the
actual reality hits the road, it's sort of the banal
horror of it all that hits you way to describe it, Graham.

Speaker 22 (01:07:41):
Yeah, But plus it's the waiting around, like you get
taken out of the court all the time while the
judge has discussions with the lawyers and so you're in
and out and out.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
It gets us Like I was talking to a.

Speaker 22 (01:07:55):
Woman that had been called up, and she she had
been in a trial for two days and then one
of the jurors suddenly remembered they knew the defendant and
it was a financial fraud case. So she said she'd
just been listening to two days of just this, you know,
forensic accounting stuff, and their head was about to explode.
And then the judge called a mistrial and she thought, great,

(01:08:16):
I'm out.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
I'm going home.

Speaker 22 (01:08:17):
And they said, oh, you jurists have to go back
into the pool, back to sit around waiting for a
name to be called again, you know. And there's a
lot of that that goes on as well, Like you know,
people think, oh, I'll get called up and I'll get
it on trial. Finally, enough, have been called up twice
and got on the jury both times. I don't know,

(01:08:40):
must look.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yeah, I mean, do you do you mind describing yourself?
Do they take many details of what your job is
and such that you were such the perfect person that
you get the.

Speaker 22 (01:08:52):
Jury not at all a lawyer for he said, wear
a suit and you'll never make it to the jury.
And they kind of call a pool of fifty of
a year. Go up to the courtroom and they start
calling your names, and as you walk across the courtroom,
the defense can just go object. Like they don't have
to say why or anything like that. They just say object.
So I'm standing in my suit thinking, yes, this will

(01:09:14):
be a laydown moseir. There's no way they're picking me.
You know, wrong ethnicity, male, you know, on root of
all evil as far as most people believe, strolling across
the court room just waiting for her to go object.
Got to the tree box set down. So yeah, five
days of hell.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
So that's so at that point, at that point, the
people that could object, you know, the lawyers, they have
some information on you, they know your profession and such.

Speaker 22 (01:09:39):
No, no, they don't know anything. They look they they
they get a they might get a list of names
of who the people are and stuff, but you don't
fill out your occupation or your political beliefs or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
That's I don't know that because I was thinking I
would turn up and they'd go, we're not getting some
wounder from news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
He'd be on this jury. That's great to watch. I mean,
I've never been on a jury, but I've reported on
quite a few trials. And you see the walk up
and the lawyers just look up and down, and sometimes
they wait till they ride in the jury box and
that challenge, and you see the look on some of
those some of the potential jurors faces. Some of them
get really think it like a can't walk?

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
Do you?

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
You know you start walking? Funny, I mean, what do
you do?

Speaker 22 (01:10:24):
I guess if you five the prosecutor said this moto
is going down the courtroom, you'll probably get yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Out of it. But yeah, i'd recommend there.

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
Yeah, well, thank you, thank you, thank you so much
for your care.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
Graham.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
Well, it's not what it's not it's not it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
It's not what you're thinking of them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Yeah, sorry, okay, yeah, okay, Right, you've just put the
fear of God and Matt now, oh one hundred eighty
ten eighty. If you've recently done jury sums love to
hear what happened for you? Nine two ninety two is
a text number as well. It is quarter to three,
a fresh take on talk back.

Speaker 6 (01:11:02):
It's Mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say
on eight hundred eighty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
You talked thirteen to three. We're talking jury service. Matt's
got the call up, so we want to hear your stories.
And if you've recently been called up to a jury,
how did it go? Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty set number call.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
I watched rommantic comedy starring Matthew McConaughey and a room
full of potential jurors and went home because we're no
longer needed needed.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Okay, all right, it sounds like a good day. All right,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
I deferred jury service twice in the last fourteen months.
I'd be keen to do it, but they can't afford me,
and I can't afford to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Yeah, they don't pay that much. It's just a sense
of duty. Yeah, well yeah, I mean if they what
do they pay. That's a good point. Even sound that letter.
It might sound that letter. I think. Someone please correct
me if I'm wrong. But I believe it's about eighty
dollars a day. So if you're in there and court
opens at nine am, sometimes goes until five pm, so
that's a full eight hours. Well, they should pay me

(01:11:58):
what I'm getting paid here. They should pay me well
grupt the justice system. They should pay me what my
cost ging is getting paid here. That would be nice, Actually,
that would be really nice. R. How are you mate?

Speaker 7 (01:12:11):
Right?

Speaker 18 (01:12:12):
Yeah, good mate?

Speaker 10 (01:12:13):
Sorry, I was on speaking in the wind. So you
get into a ship.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
Thank you, Thank you for worrying about call quality. I
appreciate that.

Speaker 10 (01:12:21):
I have never been allowed to do jury service?

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
What's that?

Speaker 10 (01:12:26):
And I said this Laton Smith? Once upon time I
told him the same thing. So let's how long is
you know? This goes back and and he and he said,
why not?

Speaker 9 (01:12:38):
Just like you?

Speaker 7 (01:12:38):
He said, if you've got a criminal record.

Speaker 10 (01:12:40):
I said, no, I'm a JP and we're not allowed
to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Why I thought I thought a JP would be exactly
you want doing jury service.

Speaker 10 (01:12:49):
That's what Laden said. He said, that's the sort of
the other sort of buggers. We want this sort of thing,
you know, but.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Very similar people.

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
He's got better your part. Sometimes he's got a better beauty.

Speaker 10 (01:13:02):
He won't have as much, he won't as much money
as you. But any no, because we've come up against
unsavory people in their part of our other job as
a JPS, and so with the I guess it's for
protection as well, right, I don't know, because we're just

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never allowed to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
How do you become a JP? I should know this.
I've dealt with JP a lot for various things over
the years. Is you you apply to be a JP?

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:13:35):
No, no, definitely not definitely not No. Well, I can
speak for myself. I've done a lot of I'm guessing
it's because I did a pivot of voluntary stuff, which
I guess someone talking to mine. But it's a long
process anyway, because I was a mountain safety instructor for
ten years, SUSI and rescue member for ten years, john

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member for twelve years.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Amazing and or voluntary.

Speaker 10 (01:14:05):
But I got a lever from the local member of
parliament and he said that I'd been recommended to be
by someone in the public to become a Justice of
the peace, and because he knew me, he agreed, and
he's going to recommend it to the Minister of Justice,
who was Jeffrey Palmer.

Speaker 9 (01:14:22):
And then he.

Speaker 18 (01:14:25):
And don't get a letter from.

Speaker 10 (01:14:26):
Him saying pretty much the same thing that the Member
of Parliament has told him about me, da da and
from what he had read, he had greed and he's
going to recommend it to the Chief Justice. And then
I got a letter from sharlt Lyas who was the
Chief Justice, and so we're going back at while and
she said much the same thing, and she was going

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to recommend it to the Governor General.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
What that goes all the way to the top, It
goes to the government.

Speaker 10 (01:14:52):
Yeah, I've got another letter from Paul Reeves. So we
are going back from Paul Reeves saying all the same thing,
very much.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
And then I was in, yeah, goes goes all the
way to the top.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
So much for you, Catt. All you got to do
is become a JP and I'll leave you alone. Have
I got time before Monday? What's the Governor General up
to now? Should give her a call? It's the Governor
General at the moment, Dames, Cindy Cuddle, is this Yeah?
I think she's still g and yep, yep, we're getting
the nod there. I thought it was Petsy riggern she
left ages ago a long time of COO is eight
to three, back of the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Mow, the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
News Talks, hed b it is six to three. We're
talking about jury service. If you've recently done it, love
to hear from you. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
I was a big fan of Sir Jerry Mataparai. He
was a good governor general.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Yeah, sure, hell of a soldier.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
But I'm shocked that Dame Petsy Ready is gone. She
was one of the best ones you But when are
they going to get Petsy Rigger in there now? She
would be like a great country singer and and a
great make a great governor general.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Yeah, Dame Petsy Rigger, maybe someone should nominate her.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
I don't know anything about this, Cindy Krol, I don't
know anything about her. She she's not doing enough work
because you used to know everything about the governor general.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Yeah, she she just sort of slacking around. Or something.
What's the day to day like for a GG.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
Sylvia Cartwright was everywhere?

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, she was huge. Yeah, Sylvia Cartwright was that.
That was back in the late nineties, was it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yeah, Well tell you, I'll tell you it was a
good one. Kath is a dame, Yeah it is. Yeah,
But sir Paul.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
Reeves is all right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
I can't remember Paul Reefs. That might have been before
my time. I can't remember who was the best governor
general eighty. Yeah, that's all we're talking about. We're getting
plenty of tiks about jury service because Mett's got the
call up. He's going to go down to the courthouse
sometime next week, so we're keen on your stories. Nine
two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Got called up twice in five years and was on
home detention, Police and Corrections. Cannot do the juris service.
She's terry young. I mean, do we want to, you know,
flick people's ankle bracelets off and get them into the juris?

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
Is that how it should work?

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Well, we're not doing anything else, are they?

Speaker 20 (01:17:05):
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Why why don't we only use retired people? This texta
says it's interesting because on the things you can get
out of jury service. One of them is if you
were over sixty five.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Yeah, you can opt out, can't you? At that point?
Which is kind of weird because that's the ideal scenario
to get people in there who have had they've lived
a life, but they need people like yourself, Matt, who's
also lived a life.

Speaker 19 (01:17:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Yeah, but unfortunately you've got life Edmund disort out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
And also we know what having to Socrates, don't we
when he went up in front of a jury of
his pairs of rural retired soldiers.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. It wouldn't work out
well for you, mate, you're back in three hundred and
ninety nine BC. That did not work out great.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Having only retired people in the jury, they made a
terrible decision and the next thing you know, Socrates munching
on the hemlock.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Yeah, what a loss. Right, We're going to carry this
on after three o'clock at oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call If you can't
get through, keep trying, and we've got a whole bunch
of texts coming through as well. If you've recently been
on a jury, how did it go, what was the
case and would you do it again? Really? Can you
hear your thoughts? New sport and weather as far approaching.

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Really good to have your company on this Thursday afternoon.
As always, stay right here, it will be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Your new homes are insaateful and entertaining talk. It's Matte
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk sebby.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Very good afternoon, sire, it is seven past three. Welcome
back into the program and we're carrying on our discussion
about jury service. Matt Heath has got the letter and
got the call up for jury service, but really keen
to have a chat with you if you've done it
recently or in the past. What was it really like
sitting in that jury box, weighing evidence and making decisions
that affect whoever was on the stands Oh, eight hundred

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eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Is it something that you should be proud to do
and that it's an awesome experience to be doing what
you need to do for the good of the justice
system of this great country of yours or is it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
An annoying thing? You should do everything you can try
and to get you can do to try and get
out of it. It's either one or the other, isn't it?
Really Nicely, I'm being forced to do it, but I
also think I should do it. Yeah, there's part of
you that is genuinely excited by the prospect of being
on a jury right, yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (01:19:16):
Being part of it, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
But what I'm hearing from people texting through it's not great.
It's pretty tough going. Yeah, the money isn't great. Food
sounds all right though. Really you get a good spread,
do you? I think that's what Graham said. My food
was lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Well, you know that I'm counting my calories at the
moment on my Fitness Pal. Oh yes, and I've got
as long as it hits my exact macros. Does the
food and jury service hit my macros? Because I need
the exact balance of protein and carbs, you know, to
be in fit condition, perfect condition for my marathon on

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two and a half weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Have they thought about that? That is the picture of
the judge and you'll say just go home, we don't
need you. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number, Richard? You have recently been involved in jury service?

Speaker 14 (01:20:01):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Yeah, I am, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
And what was it like?

Speaker 20 (01:20:07):
I started out as a relative of the interesting process.
I was interested in the whole jury selection process and
that sort of thing. And then once the trial starts,
so she starts out pretty captivating them, but after you know,
week one, week two, drag them the week three sort
of over the whole process.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
And what was the trial you were on Richard? Was
it quite a full on one?

Speaker 20 (01:20:33):
Yeah? Pretty much. It was a murder trial for some
gang members, right, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
A biggie yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
And so was there any any any any part of
it that made you feel, you know, you were doing
a civil duty and did you did you feel pride
and being involved in the process at all?

Speaker 10 (01:20:51):
Richard?

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (01:20:53):
I sort of felt, you know, proud and doing majority
as long as the other people on the jury. You know,
I've been up for selection before and hadn't made it,
and I thought, you know, when you line up this time,
you think there's no chance in hell, I'm going to
sort of get on here, and then all of a
sudden your name gets pulled out and I think of it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
Yeah, yeah, And so.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
You know, when you're walking across, are you thinking I
hope I get picked or you're thinking, I hope I
get passed over.

Speaker 20 (01:21:22):
This time.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
I was.

Speaker 22 (01:21:23):
I hope I get picked.

Speaker 20 (01:21:25):
You know, I was interesting and seeing how the judicial
system sort of worked.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Yeah, And who was the foreman in the end? Did
you put your hand up for that?

Speaker 7 (01:21:35):
Uh?

Speaker 20 (01:21:35):
No, No, We just sort of sat around the table
and stared at each other until some young fellow sat
up and said, I'll be the foreman.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
It's probably the best way to do it. That if
someone's loath to be the foreman, they're probably the best place.

Speaker 20 (01:21:47):
For it, right Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
And so so how did the how you imagined it,
how you picture jury service? How did that match reality?

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Richard?

Speaker 20 (01:21:58):
It's nothing compared to what you see on TV. It
is the complete officers to what you see on TV.

Speaker 14 (01:22:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:22:05):
So it's so you just got to be very intentive.
You got to sit there and listen and take it
all in and look and observe and everything constantly for
the period that you're in the core room.

Speaker 6 (01:22:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
And so does it get is it, you know, hearing
the evidence, is it, for want of a better word,
exciting or is it is it? Does it become boring
and mundane?

Speaker 20 (01:22:29):
It becomes a bit tedious, boring and mundane. You know,
the judges are very quietly spoken. Yeah, there's no theatrics
or yelling and screaming or anything like that.

Speaker 18 (01:22:42):
Rules.

Speaker 20 (01:22:43):
No, no, no, you know, yeah, there's no sort of.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Yeah, the truth, you can't handle the truth.

Speaker 5 (01:22:51):
That kind of stuff isn't really going.

Speaker 20 (01:22:52):
Yeah, no, it's not going down at all. It's a
very polite sort of yeah. Yeah, And what do you.

Speaker 5 (01:22:58):
Think of that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
You know, because the whole idea of the jury system
is that you get you know, if you're accused of something,
you get judged by a jury of your peer is
so when you look down around the jury room, did
you think, well, this is a good group of people
that are worthy of judging someone and competent to judge, judge,
you know, make a decision on someone's innocence or guilt.

Speaker 20 (01:23:22):
Yeah, yeah, we did. We we had a mixed jury.
You know, there's a few elderly people, couple retired, few
middle age, some young ones in their twenties, and some
even younger ones. You know, so we had we had
a good mix of you know, students, business people, working people,
and yeah, homebodies.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Do you reckon, You'll do it again? Richard, Nah, you
try and get out of it.

Speaker 19 (01:23:49):
Done.

Speaker 20 (01:23:50):
Yeah, I'm done and have made it. It's if I
was to do it again, you'd want to be something
short and sweet, you know, about a week long. You know,
we were we were due for four weeks and we're
lucky it ended in three, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Yeah, right, do you do? You know what the trial
is before you get called? You get the beer basics,
do you.

Speaker 14 (01:24:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:24:09):
When you get to when you're the letter there, they
say that there's a possibility of a four week trial,
you know, so you have to sort of either clear
your calendar or or come up with excuses.

Speaker 18 (01:24:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
One one says there's a possibility of a six week trial.
Sex weeks. Yeah yeah, biggie, Yeah, that might be there
might be murder.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
It might be you doing the show by yourself to Christmas. Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Thank you for your call, Richard. I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
This person says, come on, Matt, you're hardly an essential
service to be considered.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Leave.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Well that's what they've decided you. So I was saying,
I'm a special pressing commitment the Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams Radio, and they said, we don't care we'll see
on court. They said that's rubbish. They don't need you.

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
Ruining.

Speaker 8 (01:24:58):
Z B.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
I love to hear your Cherry service experience.

Speaker 5 (01:25:01):
It's thirty past three talk.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Sixteen pass three. We're talking about jury service. Matt's got
the call up. But Kendy here, you're a experiences. If
you've been on a jury recently, how was it? Would
you do it again?

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Just thinking about other radio personalities, as has Kerry would
have ever been off for jury service?

Speaker 7 (01:25:20):
Good question?

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
As Mike Costking.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Mike Costkins never has Marcus Lush. I guess Marcus Lush
could do Juris service in.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
The day and then be a He would love Marcus Lush.
Lush would love being on Juris service. That would fit
right into his personality.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
And do you reckon? He'd go with the other jurors,
though there'd be a lot of chat about trains and
lawn mowers and wheelibans.

Speaker 5 (01:25:39):
It's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
Chair Like, come on, Marcus focus, Yeah, he might have it. Yeah,
I mean I'm going to struggle to focus if if
I get packed, it's for sure. God, I hope you
don't get packed. Just put it in neutral till Christmas.
Six weeks I get shoved on a six week trial. Yeah,
I mean I'm going to have to ring you from
the show and say what's going on. I'm not I'm

(01:26:01):
a jealous co host. I'm not going to allow you
to get another partner if I'm away. I'm not allowing
you to go a fly solo while you're putting your
feet up at Jury Service.

Speaker 5 (01:26:11):
I don't want you hessing around with someone else.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Getting paid forty dollars a day and having nice spreads. Ellen,
welcome to the show, Jury Service.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 14 (01:26:21):
Yeah, just.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
Lately on your radio. Don't need yourself and mates down
if you go for the jury expect me what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
Actually, yeah, good point. Tyler could breakers as vocal cords. Yeah,
we're going to tell this to the judge before you
get down there.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
These are all good reasons. But Ellen, I take it.
I take it you've done it recently, have you?

Speaker 14 (01:26:50):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
No, I'm just sitting in the truck waiting loaded and board.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Well, we provide that service to we'll both entertain you
just listening to the show or being part of the show. Ellen,
So what's your two cents on Jury Service?

Speaker 11 (01:27:05):
Then?

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Whilst you're sitting on the track board.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
Well, really, I've got out of a couple of times
and not going myself.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Poofully, you don't think it's your duty as a citizen
of this fine nation of ours.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
Allen, you are right, but I didn't go mm, yeah,
you're right. Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
So Ever, I convinced you next time that the letter
comes through, you're going, gosh damn it, I'm gonna take
the hit and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna dress
up nice and try and get on the jury this time.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
No, you don't know how we'll hit it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
I am all right, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Enough, Allen, go well in that truck, mate, We'll try
and keep you entertained. Hey, it tunes out Carrie did
actually do jury service.

Speaker 6 (01:27:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
So this is an article from twenty eighteen that Tyra
has sent through. So I'll just start. I'll just read
out the first paragraph here. Finally, my numbers have come in,
not sadly in the lotto drawers, she says, carry although
I was starting to think the odds are about the same.
Note for the first time I have been called up
for jury service, so it's it's quite a bit of article.
But I'll find out what the extraal do we know

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what trial she was on? Was it a biggie tyra?
We'll find Okay, we'll find that information out.

Speaker 23 (01:28:19):
But there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
So Carrie, what I can do it? Man, there's no excuse.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
I mean, I just figured that my job would be
a special of pressing or pressing commitment for my business
or job, so that these are these are the reasons why.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
You get excused just directly. Your sixty five are over.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Yep, no explanation or supporting document is needed. If you're
sixty four over, you don't have to do it. You
can if you want, but you don't what that is
I think people, I think sixty five or over is
that you've already you've you've contributed enough to society.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
You don't that can't ask you if any more. But
I think that out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
I thought sixty five and over you'd be just the
type of people we want on jury service. Although, as
I said before, retired people did end did vote for Socrates.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
To be executed, which is unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
It was, Yeah, he was great man, health or disability
a special or process pressing commitment of my business or job,
which I thought the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
on said b would be. But apparently not, and not
for Kerry Water either. My family commitments. I live outside
the jury district. I am a practicing member of religion
that says juris services against its beliefs.

Speaker 12 (01:29:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
I've done juris service in the last two years. I've
been excused from juris service for a period that has
not yet ended. In the last five years, I've been
sentenced to imprisonment or home detention for three months or more.
I've been sentenced to imprisonment for three years and more
or preventive detention. My job makes me ineligible to be
jury service or other personal circumstances. None of those, None

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of those lie to you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Kerry Woodhem Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten Eightye
is that number to call?

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Niko, Welcome to the show. You've recently did some jury service, Madame.

Speaker 23 (01:29:56):
Was honest to tell you. I'm been in New Zealand
for twenty five years. I got called up and I
was excited like anything. I've thought this said, I'm going to.

Speaker 18 (01:30:05):
Do my beauty.

Speaker 23 (01:30:06):
All my friends at work said down, it's a total
waste of time. And I said, no, I'm going to
do it. This was yet in Mannekow So I rocked up.
We all said in the room he was about I
would say eighty people. They didn't talk to us nothing,
There wasn't a word spoken. A lady walks in. She
goes and stands in front and she spins was wishing

(01:30:28):
well thing. He pulls out some names. This was after
about three and a half hours in pulls out some
names and just say these forty people can go, but
others have to be back tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
So well, so and so just forty people were random,
like you mean, like you know, a lot of balls
type situation.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
They just pulled out some random names.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
The year.

Speaker 23 (01:30:52):
Right, Yeah, it's a battle.

Speaker 7 (01:30:53):
It's about that.

Speaker 23 (01:30:53):
They've had the spin with her door in it and
opened the door and they pulled out some names and
they just called out these names, Jimmy, Johnny, Vincent, you
name it, and said you guys can go. You others
have to be back here. So we asked him what's happening,
like they don't know, just be back here. Came back
on Wednesday morning again waiting, waiting, waiting, nothing happens now

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is another twenty people extra in the room, so it's
us forty they stayed behind, plus a another twenty sixty.
After about four hours they walk in there they like
you and you and you and you can go home.
Fathers have to be back on Thursday. So I again
said to him very kindly, can I just know what's happening?
Are we getting chosen? Also on a first day, they

(01:31:36):
took some people to another room and then they divided
us up. But I must honestly tell you a service.
There was no word spoken. I actually fell asleep in
the hallway because the room was so stubby. I just
went they then were always fell asleep. Next thing I know,
people are walking out of the office. I said, what's happening?
They sent us home?

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
I said, oh, so that's a third day. That's a
third day with nothing happening.

Speaker 7 (01:32:01):
Is that?

Speaker 5 (01:32:01):
Am I right?

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
Or nothing?

Speaker 23 (01:32:04):
And then at the end, at about say five hours
in that day, they just that's all home. On on
on that third day, they again took a group of
people into another room which I think it's a court room.
And but as they just told us to go home.

Speaker 7 (01:32:18):
But was there a communication?

Speaker 23 (01:32:21):
Was absolutely horrible?

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Do they have some refreshments or anything on off the
way you're wedding, you know, some Pickie's or something.

Speaker 23 (01:32:28):
No, just coffee, so you can you can help yourself
to seeventin and a half cups of coffee.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
You so wish.

Speaker 7 (01:32:33):
But that was it, and it was what?

Speaker 16 (01:32:36):
What was?

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
What was the surroundings like? Was it was?

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
It?

Speaker 5 (01:32:39):
Was it regal?

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
We're talking flags, nice cheers?

Speaker 5 (01:32:42):
Was it sort of a A.

Speaker 23 (01:32:46):
It's not bad. It's you can even go and sit
on cheers, you know, like in a churchs a bunch
of cheers that, or you can go and sit that
some cheers with high high tables and high cheers where
you can sit and chat with some people and stuff.
But then on the third day when we left, they
gave us a form to say, this is your claim form.

(01:33:06):
You can help claim the money you claim for parking.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
But how much did you give a form?

Speaker 18 (01:33:12):
You can't.

Speaker 23 (01:33:14):
I didn't claim anything because I was so upset. But
of course on that formucation you must you can't post theform.
You must go and drop the form.

Speaker 22 (01:33:22):
Off at the court.

Speaker 23 (01:33:24):
So that now means another day we have to pay
nine dollars for parking.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
You can't post the form.

Speaker 23 (01:33:29):
If I told us that on day one we would
have all grabbed perform on day one and folded, and
on they free handed it into him. So I actually
wrote to the herald, and I wrote to the courts,
and I said to him, look, never again will I
even attempt to. I will make any excuse in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
Not to go.

Speaker 23 (01:33:48):
Sorry, I've got civil duty. I was keen, but after
that experience, that's the last thing in the life I
want to do. I rather watch pain rifle free and all.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
There's a lot of trauma.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
Thank you show for your call, nickery h.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
That's interesting because I feel like maybe when you arrive
at jury service, this should be some unofficial eating you
and go thank you so much for doing your service
for your country. We really absolutely appreciate if you go
and sit over here. We'll be with you in a minute.
I'm sorry it could take some time, yep, but thank
you so much for coming down. Without you, the justice
system wouldn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
So something like that, and there should be a VIP
room that you get to sit in.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
Maybe someone wearing some sort of official kind of chains
or something legal or legal looking, you know, maybe one
of those punishes and a wig can't meet yet.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
That would be nice. And then what have the anthem
just playing in the background while you wait?

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
Yeah, just not on repeat?

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Just yeah, that would be tortry. Actually, Nico, thanks very
much for your call. We better play some messages, but
back with more of your jury service stories soon. It's
twenty six past three.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Madd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news talk, z'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Very good afternoons. You're talking about jury service, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've done it recently?

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Oh, come on, guys, you didn't fin to war for
your country. It's just jury service. Yeah, that's what That's
what I'm saying, Ben text out, I'm saying that it's
the least you can do for your country to go
to jury service, and we should go along.

Speaker 5 (01:35:18):
Yeah, I believe happily.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
And otherwise, how does the system work? How do how
does the how's justice administered?

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
If if we all don't do us year, That's why
I'm going along. Just not Monday to Friday between twelve
and four pm. Does that too much to ask? Victoria?
You had a great experience at the jury service. We'll
get out to called up. This is what we want
to hear, Victoria.

Speaker 11 (01:35:43):
Yeah, my experience was the exact opposite to an echo.
I've been called in three times through I guess we
have a smaller town city, so we get called up
more often. I was, I was called this week. I
was there on Monday, and every single time, like, you
go in the room, it's everyone sort of nervously sitting

(01:36:05):
on the chair that's sort of a.

Speaker 20 (01:36:07):
Pretty dark room.

Speaker 11 (01:36:10):
And then the ladies at the front, you know, they
check you in. They have all these organized little pieces
of paper with your in alphabetical order for your surname,
and they go, oh, how becoming. We really appreciate you
being here, and then you know, check you off. And
then you go sit in the chairs and wait around,

(01:36:30):
and yeah, there's always a lot of waiting around. And
then there's that attorney thing at the front, you know,
that spins around and the sort of people that get
selected go into that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Can you describe this, because I was hearing this from Niko,
what is the attorney attorney thing?

Speaker 5 (01:36:46):
Is it is like a roulette wheel?

Speaker 15 (01:36:48):
What is it?

Speaker 11 (01:36:50):
It is kind of it's like a They may be
different in different court rooms, but it's like a like
a wooden cylinder. You can imagine a wool cylinder on
its side, and it's it spins around and then then

(01:37:10):
they slide open this little door thing and they randomly
pull out the names and then they they.

Speaker 16 (01:37:18):
Show you everybody.

Speaker 11 (01:37:19):
They show everybody a video and all about this is
how the court process works. You're really important to us.
We appreciate everybody being here.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
You got some communication and you've got you've got some
of the stuff I was talking about that where you're
told that you appreciated that that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:37):
How did this.

Speaker 11 (01:37:41):
Last time? I went through the whole process this time
this week on Monday turned up and then they said, look,
we're really sorry.

Speaker 10 (01:37:50):
There's a bit of.

Speaker 11 (01:37:51):
Miscommunication going on. We can't tell you that you're going home,
but we'll let you know as soon as we know
what's happening. And they said that really sorry, but we're
in the corner's court today because there's something happening in
the other court.

Speaker 7 (01:38:05):
I don't know what that was.

Speaker 11 (01:38:07):
And so we were in this quite a cramped room,
but it was still the same process with the tourney
thing up the front, and they couldn't get the video
going that they usually play, and the lady was like, oh, look, sorry,
we can't get it going. Listen, I'll just do it.
And so she just did the whole welcome thing herself.

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
So I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
It's like when their Stewart your hostess. Yeah, points to
the exits and stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:38:35):
Yes, exactly, and then they sort of make a few
jokes here and there, and everyone sort of, you know,
starts talking to their neighbor. And it was quite a
good process really, And then someone came in with a
piece of paper and gave it to the two ladies
at the front of them. Oh, guess what where the

(01:38:56):
person's elected a judge only trial. They don't, Oh, don't
tell the people in the corridor, because we're going to
have to call them in and let them know the
same thing.

Speaker 7 (01:39:07):
But just don't tell them because we want we need
to check their names off for you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
We want to tell that. Wow.

Speaker 11 (01:39:13):
Yeah, so off we went home.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
What a great experience.

Speaker 11 (01:39:16):
Yeah, it still took it still took like an hour,
an hour and a half, maybe it's till quite a
bit out of a day. And they said to you,
and by the way, if you failed it in the
form correctly, that came to you in the mail. You'll
get your thirty one dollars plus you're parking. Don't forget
to tell us how much parking you spent.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
Nice?

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Wow, so and if that was an Auckland, then that
parking would be you know his' you're thirty one dollars
per half day and here's one hundred and ninety five
dollars for your pa.

Speaker 18 (01:39:48):
Yes indeed, but no go to us through a high court.

Speaker 10 (01:39:51):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
It sounds like they're running a good operation. And yeah,
good on them they are. That's where you want to
be a juror. What a great story. I mean, that
makes you feel a bit better, doesn't it. Well, you're
a bit worried after Nico. I just want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
Louded and thanked and told that I'm doing great stuff
for my country when I get them there too much
to us.

Speaker 5 (01:40:09):
I just want to be appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
It happens every day on the show. Ahaa right, he
lines with Raylene coming up and taking more of your
calls Jury Service? Have you done it recently? Would you
do it again? O? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call.

Speaker 20 (01:40:24):
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Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams, Thank you very much, Railan.
We're talking about jury service. Matt has got the call
up and is expected in court and whether you get
selected for what it is quite a massive trial six weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Well, apparently you do sort of a fashion walk across
the court and they objectify you and they rate you
out of ten and then they decide whether you're going
to be on the jury or not. I imagine when
they see what a striking figure I am. I'm going
to be on there in a second, I'll be I mean,
if I saw me, I'd be like, put.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
That guy on the jury the video. But I don't
want smart, good looking, successful people in the jury.

Speaker 6 (01:42:12):
Do they were your fit right in?

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
They weren't you?

Speaker 5 (01:42:17):
Hi, Glennis, Welcome to the show. How are you, hi?

Speaker 14 (01:42:20):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
How are you very good?

Speaker 16 (01:42:22):
I just found an old letter that I had when
I went to court Jewish service in twenty sixteen, twice
in the district court, twice in the High Court. It
was a murder case and we all went out the back.
I said to most off, I can't stand this. I
don't think I can handle it. It was a murder case,

(01:42:43):
and so I had a little note written in my
pocket with John. I'm not cheeky, but so I handed
it to the judicator. I said, I can't handle this.
She gives it to the High Court charge. He calls
me to his desk and he says, you have been
declined permanently. Please leave what the note? Because I was

(01:43:06):
a victim of crime. They didn't know that I was
a bit of crime in the past, my partner, they
didn't know and then blow me down. I didn't I
get another High court to go to the High Court
and eighteen I think it was, And it was my
own case, what rate? It was my own rate case

(01:43:30):
that I took my own case decline from the High
Court as a juror, and then I end up in
the High Court from taking it as a victim of
my own case.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
How does that happen? I mean, that's embarrassing from the
court system, isn't it?

Speaker 16 (01:43:44):
It was embarrassing. But they got such a fright because
I said, I can handle any kind of case, but
not a murder case. But when they knew, they knew
that I was a victim of assault, and they knew
that I couldn't take it emotionally because I would break down,
you know, me.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
Yeah, well fair enough too. Yes, jeez, what a story.

Speaker 5 (01:44:01):
Yeah, all the best.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
I'm sorry you had to go through that. Brett.

Speaker 5 (01:44:05):
Welcome to the show. You're a former.

Speaker 14 (01:44:08):
It's good afternoon. I just thought you might be interested.
I was the foreman of one of the very high
profile trials of Anthony Dixon.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Oh Samurai swordman, wasn't it?

Speaker 14 (01:44:20):
And that's the sword Man? Seven weeks that there.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Was drama in the court, wasn't there with people standing
up and yelling crazy stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
That is that correct? Do I remember that, right, Brett?

Speaker 14 (01:44:33):
Not so much to the audience, but Anthony Dexon himself
had headlines on the Herald when he had eyes wide
open and the like. But I just want to be interested.
Someone had commented about the introduction in terms of attitude
of staff over the seven weeks we were in and
we went in Sconce, we came every day, not one

(01:44:54):
court officer would even make eye contact with us at all,
even though we walk past them every day, and that
that struck a chord with me. The second thing was
that whilst during the week we had coming after the
break and the Justice had asked for two members of

(01:45:15):
the jury to go and see her and they came
back quite quite upset. But what had happened is that
stepped outside to have a cigarette and a third party
had walked up to them, and the third party happened
to be a friend of the defense. So it gave
the message to us that you were being looked at

(01:45:38):
and being careful whilst you're in the High Court, that
you are being watched all the time. And the other
thing that was so.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
They came up and said, had that had the jurors
been doing something wrong?

Speaker 14 (01:45:55):
And correct?

Speaker 7 (01:45:56):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
What have they been doing wrong?

Speaker 5 (01:45:58):
Exactly?

Speaker 14 (01:46:00):
They were outside having a cigarette and a third party
had approached them, and they the jurors that I was
with told me that the gentleman that approached them asked
them to light his.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
Cigarette, right, and there was too much contact.

Speaker 14 (01:46:19):
Too much contact. So when we came back to the
jury room, the judge asked if those two persons could
see her, right, yeah, yeah, So it gave us the
information they clearly around the court, you're under surveillance most
of the time.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:46:40):
And the other thing that annoyed me personally as a
foreman of the jury was that we had specialist testimony
he was given and one for the defense was to
do with mental health, and he was interviewed quite extensively
by the defense, and in conclusion, the question was asked
of him, was Anthony Dixon mentally disabled? And his response

(01:47:05):
was that's for the jury to decide, and it just
in the context of the whole trial. I thought that
was an absolute cop out.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
It's pretty hard if the evidence hasn't been presented though,
right as I understand it. For a murder trial in particular,
there's evidence that's presented by both parties, the defense and
the prosecution, and if that hasn't been tabled, there's not
much a judge can do it at that point. You've
only got to go on the evidence in front of you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:47:31):
No, this was the specialist doctor or mister for the defense.
He was asked questions by the defense as to the
state of the mind of Anthony Dexton.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
Because was the suggestion wasn't there that he might be
hamming it up in the court?

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
Was that?

Speaker 14 (01:47:50):
Was that absolutely percent? But the thing that annoyed us
as jurors was here we had a highly specialized witness
that was giving evidence for the defense and then trying
to conclude to get an arm were out of him

(01:48:10):
because of his expertise. He said he was asked directly
by the prosecution do you consider Anthony Lexcell was mentally disabled?
And he would not give a response and says that's
for the jury to DiscId. Yeah, the witness and the
witness for the prosecution with the hell of a good guy,

(01:48:31):
another mental specialist from Wellington and he said, oh, there's
nobody doubt he was putting it on and he wasn't
medal at all. So we had two sides of the presentation.
But just in concluding the seven after seven weeks and
the jury had stayed at the hotel for the ninth

(01:48:52):
and we returned with our verdicts the following day. As
soon as the judge had given the conclusion of the trial,
the court staff were all over us. They were the
loveliest people.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
Because I see that was a similar thing happened to
me on the reality television training.

Speaker 14 (01:49:12):
Going back to the obligations, it was one of the
greatest experience I ever had and I would recommend and
suggest that every New Zealander contribute to the law.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Good on your Brett, that's what we want to hear.

Speaker 5 (01:49:25):
And I believe that too.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Even if it is an absolute chore and you know,
obviously you were involved on a very high profile one.
But you know, at some point in our lives as
citizens we have to I believe we.

Speaker 14 (01:49:35):
Have to do it, and that normally only happens once.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Yeah, hey, now, Brett, just a quick question so you
can talk about the case afterwards, obviously not during the case,
but what what are the what are the rules after
you've been a jury member and and the you know,
the trials over and the verdict has has been laid down.
What what What advice do they say is how much
you can you can discuss it because obviously you've been

(01:49:58):
quite free and with your discussion here and I appreciate it.

Speaker 14 (01:50:02):
Yeah, just in terms of the trial itself again and
aside and being the foreman, the first thing I said
to the jury is I won't ask you until we're
mid trial, until the defense has been presented or the
prosecution has been defended, that I will not ask you
whether you think he's guilty or not. So I wouldn't

(01:50:22):
allow any discussion about whether he was guilty or not,
and we only concentrated on the evidence. Once I posed
the question to the jury, which was a mixture of beneficiaries,
multinational ages that are very cosmopolitan. Jury. There were two

(01:50:42):
persons who would not agree with the others during the period,
during the period of the balance of the trial, one
in particular, I took a side on two or three occasions,
and all he would say to me was those bloody police,

(01:51:04):
So he wasn't following the trial. In order to get
a conclusion, I offered to the jury a change in
the charge, and I can't quite recall what I said,
but we changed something like attempted murder to manslaughter or

(01:51:27):
something of that sort, remembering it had already murdered someone.
So I didn't make a lot of difference. And I
looked at this person and he nodded it or they
nodded his head. And that's how we got a result
of the trial. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
Well, thankfully you're foreman to get that across the line.

Speaker 4 (01:51:45):
Brent.

Speaker 14 (01:51:46):
Yeah, it was a wonderful experience. Wonderful experience.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
Thank you, Brett. I appreciate your call. That is high
profile Anthony Dixon case. What a great call. Right, I've
got to play some messages back in the moment is
thirteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
The big stories, the big issues to the big trends
and everything in between.

Speaker 6 (01:52:04):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
They'd be afternoon. Ju it is ten to four and
we've had so many texts and phone calls on jury service.
A couple of texts here, getay, guys, is it possible
to actually volunteer to be on a jury I'm a
forty four year old stay at home mum that has
never been asked for jury duty at this stage of
my life. I'm available, and I am a good candidate,
but I have never been summoned. So it's a good

(01:52:29):
question being volunteering for jury service, as I understand it.
Will try and find that information out, but I don't
think you can put your hand up and say I'm
ready to go anytime now.

Speaker 5 (01:52:38):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
I think that's because it has to be randomly selected.
That the random part of the jury is very important
for the system.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
Yeah makes sense, Yeah, yeah, I mean because otherwise, yeah,
you get a few people who might want to be
there for the wrong reasons. Unlike Amy there who is
ready to go. So hopefully you get summoned soon. This
one here, guys, I got called up twice in five
years and I really enjoyed it. I would love to
do it again. I'm sixty five opted out, but I

(01:53:06):
may opt back in and this one and getay, guys,
I told the Jury Service that I was working to
help keep the country going and to find someone that
is unemployed. They accepted this twice. Now that's from Chris. Okay,
all right, there you go. Well I don't accept my deferment.
They said, no.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Yeah, they said being one of the hosts of Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talks was not
enough for a reason to defer it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
And I have to go and asked, you need to
do it. Doesn't work, Nothing's gonna work. They could get
the Prime Minister to come on down. Do you know
what else you need to do, Tyler? You need to
do your duty for the country and go along and
do your jury service. I mean, you have to do
your duty for the country by doing the show without
me on Monday. Oh God help me. Potentially for six
weeks after that. That's going to be a tough ask, right,

(01:53:50):
Beck of the it is eight minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between.

Speaker 6 (01:53:58):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
Sibby, Very good afternoon, Sue. It is six minutes to four.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
My son in law had a really bad experience with
Jury US this Texter, I think it was at the
High Court. He's from Canada and he couldn't believe how
his name and address I was read out for everyone
to hear. And then when they were waiting out in
the corridor, the accused family was sending their little kids
around with phones filming the jury participants and saying things
like that's the guy that's going to put your uncle

(01:54:25):
in jail.

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
That doesn't sound great. Yeah, that is pretty full on.
That is like a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
I lost my face in the jury system after a
close relative got no justice from a jury trial.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
Yeah, well, I mean that can happen. Yep, that's part
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Unfortunately, I told Juris Service that I was working to
help keep the country going and to find someone that
is unemployed. They accepted this twice. So you read that
one out in you So many texts coming through. I
need to organize these better, but my head's in the
clouds because I've got to do Jury Service and I've
got to get in the Justice Zone.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
Yeah, but that was a great discussion discussion. It certainly was.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
It's been a fun three hours of radio, well four
hours if you are in certain parts of the country.
Thanks so much for everyone for listening.

Speaker 7 (01:55:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
Absolutely love the chats today. They're great and powerful. Heather
Dupe Allen is up next.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
But Tyler, like good buddy, tell me why I'm playing
this song from the Pitch Shop Boys.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
What's the what's the name of the title. I'm not
a big Pitch Shop Boys fan.

Speaker 5 (01:55:25):
I've got to say, well, this quasi works if you guess.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
All right, let me take a staff I reckon it's
to do. We had a great discussion about old Chris
Hipkins having to go Christopher Luxem for being too wealthy.
I've got it now.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
Opportunities, opportunities, Let's make lots of money. Yeah right, all right, Dan, anyway,
everyone you've seem busy, will let you go until tomorrow afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
Give me a taste of Kiwi from us. I love
you

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