Full Show Podcast: 31 July 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 31st of July 2025, it was the thing everybody was talking about today, those Emergency Tsunami Alerts. Former National MP Steven Joyce was around the Cabinet table when the National Emergency Alert system was set up and he called in.

Then to buying illicit drugs on Facebook or social media messaging apps. We took a call from "John" who really lifted the lid on how it works.

And then some amazing calls on therapy and the value of a therapist.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello are you great New Zealander and welcome to Matt
and Tyler Full Show Podcast number one seven three for
the thirty first of July and the Year of Our
Lord twenty twenty five. Incredible show today. Oh my god,
We've decided to talk about drugs on Facebook and we
got an insight into the underbelly of New Zealand society.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hit the jackpot there.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
We went deep into the dark web and then back
out the other side into some therapy and talk to
Stephen Joyce actually about the one of the architects of
the emergency alert system and why it was set up
and where it's going now.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, So a.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Bunch of great topics today, So thank you great, Thank
you so much for listening.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Great show is always download, subscribe ty your friends and
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Speaker 2 (01:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:04):
Stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Me very very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Thursday's show.
Great to have your company. As always, get a mad.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Get A Tyler, everything's well in the world because as
I look over you, Tyler, my good friend, your here
is still weird. Your clothes are still weird. After getting
splashed by a guy on a red you Zaarah Puddle Sue,
you're standing there and just splashed you.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I'm just so glad I could make you happy.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
I was miserable and very angry and it was a
knock to my ego. But you are happy, so that's
almost cub and neutral.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
You made me very happy.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, but also, can I just say, mate, you'll want
to talk because isn't you go tits up on a
Lime scooter outside of Showgirls not longer?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, but that's notated. That's unrelated. Well, and hang on
a minute.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
It was in front of show Girls, but I had
nothing to do with shoga. It was just happened to
be where my Limes scoop. It scooter happened to hit
the curb and I went flying over and landed beside
some bounces. It was embarrassing a lot of people were
laughing and asking if I was okay. Yeah, pretty painful, actually.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
I bet it was.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, fust you reckon your gun. I don't know, but
it knocked myself up pretty badly. Glasses came flying off,
car keys went flying on the ground, phone was sliding everywhere.
I was very discombobulated, and you know, and you sort
of have to shamefully go around and try and find
your stuff before you walk off whilst pretending it doesn't hurt.
It's very important if you end yourself in public, that

(02:29):
you pretend it doesn't hurt. Safe face, get up fast.
I'm not sure why. I'm not sure why it's important,
but you have to pretend it was nothing.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
You got to walk it off, walk it off fast.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Until you get around the corner and you're like, oh
my god. But yeah, I'm supposed to be running a
bloody half marathon and topau this weekend and I've knocked
myself up on a lime skinter. Yeah disaster, Thank you mate.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
That makes me feel so better about absolutely embarrassed by
this redt mine.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Was tragic and undeserved. You're being splashed by a guy,
and a red was funny and has more joy to
myself and all the listeners. Mantile afternoons and said, be
very different.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
As long as we can make you the listener happy.
That's the important part. Right on to today's show after
three o'clock. This is going to be a really important discussion.
Comedian Guy Montgomery. He is best known for making people laugh.
He's done that on stage, of course, very successful in Australia,
but he recently shared how he started regular therapy. He
did that during lockdowns, but when the pressure of his

(03:28):
career started to explode over in Aussie he had this
lingering fear that he might not actually be funny, so
turned to regular therapy to sort that out.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, so therapy when things are going well personally. I
don't think therapy works for me. I think it might
work for some people, doesn't work for me. Marriage counseling,
for example, that is just you know that the marriage
counseling room is just a departure lounge for your relationship.
If you asked me, yep, But do you disagree one
hundred eighty ten eighty a half to two. A convicted
dealer has said getting drugs and weapons is super easy

(04:00):
on Facebook. Cocaine, ecstasy, MDMA, weed, guns, tases, even whatever
you want. Is it a problem that people know the
cops won't do any to the point where they're just
going to haurf up what they're selling on Facebook. And
should Mark Zuckerberg doh be doing something about this?

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yep, that is after toll and all right, now, let's
have a chat about the emergency alert system. So multiple
people were by several messages and some received none. In
the National Emergency Management Agency NIMA called it a glitch
in the system. So Emergency Management Minister Mark Mitchell told
Kerry WM he's aware some people have received too many
alerts and others got none.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
The National Alert system is not used very often. It's
been a long time since we've used it. The decision
in this case was quite simply impacted the whole country,
so we couldn't ring fence it. We felt that really
strongly that we're a coastal nation, that people do want
to have access to the ocean on the beach and
we needed to get that information out quickly. It's up
to us now to identify where the issues are, work

(04:58):
with the telcos and make the system even better. It
always happens. You get some people that say there wasn't
enough information. You get other people that say, you know,
went too soon. But look, in my views as the Minister,
and I've been mister now eighteen months, I've been on
the ground at fourteen local states of emergency. We do
not have the luxury anymore of operating in this optimal
optimism buyer space because that's how people die. And so

(05:21):
we'll be proactive and we'll be giving keywis the information
that we think that they need to be able to
make inform choices and understand what the risk is.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, and look, you know, solid argument there. But you've
also got the other side of it, which is people
like me and maybe I'm a bad person, maybe I'm
a terrible, terrible citizen, but I just see the alert
and go, I bet that this as a overly safety
safety you know, this is this is someone being overly cautious,
you know, too scared to risk being wrong, essentially, because

(05:52):
because you've got to decide whether it's a real risk
or not and make a decision right, you can always
argue that from the case that from the position that
people could die, But there's always a position somewhere in
the middle that is the right place to go. And
it takes guts to make the call that this isn't
the situation where we need to do that. Otherwise, as
people keep saying you end up in this sort of
cry wolf situation. So I just went off and I

(06:15):
went I bit, I bet, and judging from social media,
I'm not the only one. My initial thought was. And
I'm not saying I'm right here. I'm not saying I'm
right here, But my initial thought was, I bet this
is nothing. I guarantee this is nothing. And especially since
I'd got one the night before. So when I looked
at it again and my partner she's in the shower,
that's information you guys don't need to know.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
There it is.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
But she stuck her head out and said, can you
turn that off? She and no point did she ever
think that there was a there was any kind of
emergency going on. Yeah, So that is a problem, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (06:45):
It is?

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Well, that's interesting that you raised that point that you
got that alert last night, so you were all over
it and you would have been watching the news and
keeping up to date.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Is that a part of it here?

Speaker 4 (06:53):
That most of New Zealand got their alert at four twelve,
Some some people got multiple at them, so we already
got them, yeah, And then they pumped out another one
at two am, and then at six thirty am. I
know you're already up and running a marathon or whatever,
but a lot of people are still sleeping. So maybe
that was part of why people got but annoyed to say,
I know, I heard last night that there's gonna be
some waves, and don't go down to the beach.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
I've already got the message.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, I mean, I don't mind that. I don't really
care about that part of it. That's not something worries me.
I mean, I'm strong enough that I can handle a
beeping sound that sounds like the Purge is starting from
the Purge movies. I can handle that.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
My point is that I just immediately assumed that it
was nothing, and that was so overly safety conscious in
this country and so ridiculously cautious that it's just got
to the point where I go, you know, you're just
basically surrounding me in road cones. You know that's what's
going on. It kind of didn't mean anything. And look
if I look at look at Okay, let's have a
look at some feedback that's come through. Here you go.

(07:47):
If you get alerts at two thirty am. This is
from Chris six thirty am, and then fifteen minutes later
it's six fifty am. You won't treat anything as real
an emergency system that frustrating will become like the boy
who cried rulf. You know, just turn those alerts off
like many people around the country. I mean that's the
other thing. I mean, I don't know if you can.
Can you turn those off?

Speaker 7 (08:08):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
But but but do you want to rest the situation
where people go through and turn the emergencies off? What
emergencies do we need to hear about? You know what?
What what would be an emergency that I think I
need to hear about. Yeah, I don't know. A volcanoes
erupted near my house.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
That's a big one. Yeah, an earthquake in New Zealand, absolutely,
one hundred percent. I want to hear about that.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, what do you need to hear about that? I
experienced the earthquake? Then the information of how to deal
with it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay earth great? Yeah, I
don't know. But but did anyone else just get that thing? Look,
this business is you're a dick mat you know so.
But but see that's a problem because a nation is
made of very conscientious people like you that have texted that,

(08:50):
and people that go, thank you for holding my hand
to government. But it's also made up for people like
me that just go, I bet this is nothing. Yeah,
and like I don't I mean, I can't be. I
can't be. It's not my fault. What I immediately thought?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
No, exactly, And a lot of people felt that way. Yeah,
one percent.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
So it's are you trying to ban a thought crime? Man?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
That was my thought, that was thinking.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
So how do you deal with that? How do you
deal with the huge percentage, judging by social media and
the text machine coming through here, that just thought, I
bet that's nothing.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Oh, eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call? Is their potential for this to be a
boy who cried wolf situation? How did you feel when
you've got those alerts? Love to hear your thoughts on this.
Where is the balance?

Speaker 8 (09:29):
Lie?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
And have we become a little bit too risk adverse?

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I mean, as Ben says here, you have to wonder
and it's not unfair to ask why we get an
emergency alarm for something that is not an emergency.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
That is a very good point.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah, if you've got to run, then the old Bismarck,
the purge, that's a good thing to hear. But if
there's a couple of.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Waves coming from Russia and don't go down to the beach,
I don't need three times to be told.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
That there's there's a balance, there's a threshold there. And
as people were saying on Kerrey Show, because everyone's been
talking about it all day, maybe there needs to be
levels of warning. There needs to be a little boo boo.
This isn't really anything, but just in case you're interested
and there needs and then also the run for the hill, yep.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call love to hear your thoughts on this.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
It is a quarter past one.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 4 (10:25):
News talks. There be it is eighteen past one. What
emergency should the emergency alert system be used for?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Call a lot of people very angry at me. They are,
they're very very angry. Treat the threat as real. That
was the bit that that was. I thought there was
a very telling and odd thing statement to be sent
out there by emergency services treat the threat as real.
Is it real or is it not real? Maybe you
should any Maybe you should only send threats that are real.

(10:54):
This Texas Seas. And if they don't send out warnings
and something major happens, what song sheet would you be
reading from? You sing from a song sheet? I guess
you can read from a song sheheet. But yeah, also, Tyler,
it was not a wave alert. It was a surge alert.
Remember what happened at the Auckland Marina several years ago. Yeah,
but that you think you're missing the point by about

(11:14):
several kilometers there. I'm saying that. I mean, for a start,
I would say that there's a slight problem in our
culture of the blame culture if someone gets something like wrong,
So then you get people that are terrified to make
a mistake, and then they air towards the point of
warning you and it they don't need to be warned.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
But also the thing is, I'm not saying it's wrong
to send out the emergency messages. I'm also not saying
I care for the noise. What I'm saying is, as
soon as I see it, my natural assumption is this
will be an overly cautious message, and so I don't
really pay the attention to it. Yeah, you know, maybe
I'm a bad person. There's a whole lot of people
are saying here, but that's my national That was my

(11:52):
first thought when it came to me. I bet this
is nothing, and I think that's a problem, and I
think this current one does nothing to change people like
me's first thought on this kind of situation.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
That is the last thing you want people thinking when
they read those emergency alerts.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Colin, what was your take on it?

Speaker 9 (12:09):
Hey, guys, I've actually got a foot in both camps.
I agree with Matt, but I also agree with the
people that believe that there should be a notification. I
believe that every single person in New Zealand who's got
a phone is able to be reached, shouldn't be reached
that advice or of an emergency, But that emergency notification
has to be relevant. Like in this case, you've got

(12:32):
an earthquake off the coast of Russia. We all know
that's on the other side of the world. The amount
of time that that wave surge takes to get to
New Zealand has to go past Japan on the other
Pacific Islands, west coast of the USA past Australia in
that amount of time. The experts that you have physicists,
the needle people, they can make assumptions, do their correlations

(12:54):
and graphs, etc. And then send out an emergency if
we're going to be effected, but just to send out
a blanket emergency saying soon ARMI off the coast of Russia.
I mean I heard about it on the news before
I got anything. I didn't need tashi a notification myself.
Whether that's because I'm living in seat for New Zealand,
which is not affective by waves, I don't know. But

(13:15):
my girlfriend got it. She told me, I've got a notification.
I said, oh, I heard on the newsday it's only
going to be a half meter wave peeking it around
midnight tonight. And that was at four o'clock this afternoon.
So you know, like sending out a notification at four
o'clock in the afternoon is something that's not going to
arrive potentially for another eight to twelve hours.

Speaker 10 (13:36):
You know.

Speaker 11 (13:37):
I just heard that in my life.

Speaker 9 (13:39):
As if anything's going to happen yet, and so I've
got a foot in both kids. I think everybody should
be apprised if there is actually going to be so
that we can act on it. You know, let's say,
for example, this one in Russia didn't pay any attention
to it, couldn't give a task, went about my daily business.
If that had happened halfway between here in Australia and

(14:00):
the Testament, when we've only eight point eight in the
of the Testament made, I would have cacked myself and
I would have gone to high ground because I'm you know,
intelligent enough if you want to call it there without
some kind of scientists. I know that after what we
saw in Takashima, how an earthquake destroyed christ Church, you
know this ship is real if it's close enough. But

(14:22):
it's got to be close enough, and the scientists have
got to garner the information so that they can make
inform decisions on our behalf and seeing stuff out otherwise
we're not going to believe it. And this is the
sort of shit they've been on COVID. There's so many
different experts providing so many different opinions. Then you've got
all the keyboard warriors on social media clowning around, so

(14:43):
just that and the other. In the end, half the
population didn't know who the hell would believed, and the
other population just went along with it because they thought
he might as well.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
So Colin, when you when you get when you get
an alert like this, you want to know. I'm just
I'm telling me if I'm wrong, if I'm getting you
wrong here, but you want to know that it's a
clear and present danger, and that's information you need right now.
Because I'd be concerned that if their alarm was going
off because there had been an earthquake in the Tasman
and there was an incoming tsunami, that I wouldn't I
wouldn't think it was co red enough to really you know,

(15:11):
if I was doing something else, maybe I'd take a
few minutes to check my phone because of warnings like this.
I mean absolutely agree with you. If there is a
clear and present danger, then I want to know. I
want everyone to be beaked, absolutely for safety, but absolutely.

Speaker 9 (15:27):
And to your point that you've made. You know, it
might take you a couple of minutes to read it.
You might go, oh, I've just finish the spots or whatever.
But the only reason you have that attitude is because
in the past it's turned out to be nothing these
emergencies were relevant, and this is the key word. They
have to be an emergency. Sitting out a notification twelve

(15:50):
hours for a half meter away at high tide might
raise the scenes. Way, oh, how many place the New
Zealand's going to get fickted?

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, Colin, thank you very much. I mean,
I suppose my thinking is the one last night I
thought that was good. I looked at it, I read,
I consume that information. That was good information for me
to get at twelve pus four. It was the one
this morning that I already know that was effectively similar
information that I start to wonder, have you gone a
bit trigger happy on those alerts? That was where my

(16:21):
thinking was, so like you, I didn't really have any
problem with it, didn't really wake me up, but it
was the multiple hammering of information that I already feel
I've got. I knew at that point last night. Don't
be an idiot and go down and go for a
swim at the beach. I knew that last night, so
I didn't need to be reminded again this morning.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, I guess my opinion is just a little bit different.
I think I've already explained it. But my opinion is,
annoy me all you want, beat me all you want,
but you can't. You can't. I can't control how I
immediately feel about it. And the more you beat me
and it's over nothing, the more I'm just naturally my
instinct is going to be this is them being over
cautious again. Yeah, you know, yeah, And maybe we need

(16:58):
to stop being so aggressive when people get things wrong,
because I think that's leading to this being over cautious.
It's not necessarily that they're that way. I don't know.
I could be talking. Maybe they are, you know, and
make Mitchell respect them as human being and take them
on as word. But I think part of it is
that you don't want to be the person that got
it wrong, because we will. We will crucify you. And

(17:20):
as a result, you know, something that's sitting at five percent,
well somehow in this case is one percent risk is
being treated and put out like it's an eighty percent risk.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call?

Speaker 4 (17:31):
What emergency? Should the emergency alert system be used? For
love to hear your thoughts? It's twenty five past one.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking
breakfast from the power front.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
They're reversing that oil and gas vand Shane Jones as
the Minister for Resources. Are you hopeful, given next year's
election year, that you can put enough of this in
place that won't be flipped again.

Speaker 12 (17:50):
I think where the flippings wreck lies is with the
fossil fuels. But the trick that we missed us after
just somebome that political fugitive from Electoral Justice penciled the
oil and gas industry. They should have immediately invested in
due to mannaged sixty seven years ago, and then we'd
have the flow to color off the shortage. And I
can think of no single decision that has had a
more destructive impact on energy policy that means economic policy

(18:12):
then justinder canceling the organ guess industry.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk zed.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
B twenty eight past one. What emergency should the emergency
alert system be used for?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Are this text to you idiots on ZB right wingers
will go down to the beach to see the wee
wave come and improve the gene pool. Lefties are brighter boy,
You've got to say. People that would I'm seeing a
sue like this and immediately decide that it's right wing
or left wing are being distorted by media in such
an odd way that you would see this and then

(18:48):
someone else that's texts us through. If you would see
this as a right wing left wing issue and you
think that what you want right wing people, well I
can't see why it would be tically right wing people
that would go down to the beach, but apparently it is,
according to this person, you want them to go down
there to improve the gene pool. So you think people
on the right wing having ferrier genes. To you, very

(19:09):
there's no help with those people.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Now, I'm sorry. I like to think you can help
most people, but I'm sorry your loss to the system.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
You know, it's not everything that comes down can be
pushed through the lens of the seating arrangements in Parliament.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Go and touch some grass for goodness sake.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Blair up with the show, okay.

Speaker 13 (19:27):
Guys, Yeah, politicizing it as stupid, making it someone else's
fault or you know, so that's just it's a mute points,
a ridiculous argument, it's a cop out, it's a cheap
dig anyway.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I agree, I agree. I do agree with a bit
where he said that Tyler and I were idiots. I
think he's right with that, very true.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
He's got he's got my number on that.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
That the second part I don't agree with. But yeah, Blaire,
your thoughts.

Speaker 13 (19:53):
Yeah, well, don't put that to a vote. Okay. Civil
defense as obligated or charged with passing out what they
believe to be pertinent and information based on what they're receiving. Right,
what you do with that information, Matt is entirely up

(20:16):
to you. The Civil Defense can't be responsible for what
you do with the information they send out, so if
you choose to ignore it, that's on you.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I agree, yep.

Speaker 13 (20:27):
So so I mean a lot of people getting upset
about their phone beep in the middle of the night.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, absolutely agree. I agreed Blair that getting upset that
your phone go beep in the middle of the night
is pretty weak. I'm not upset about that. I'm just concerned,
Blair that maybe the line that they've put it what
is worthy of beeping us about is in the wrong place,
because you have to make that decision and from me,

(20:54):
and I know I'm not a good it's just just yeah,
I'll just finish and they'll let you go. Blair. From
my perspective, I thought it was odd that My immediate
opinion when I looked at it, And I'm not saying
I'm right here, I'm just saying what my first thought
was was this is probably nothing because of the way
New Zealand seems to be too safety obsessed. So my
and I just think that could be a problem if

(21:15):
you're beeping people all the time unless you get the
subjective and one hundred percent rightly, it is subjective. Unless
you get that position right, then you just make people
like me just think I'm going to finish, as a
previous caller said, doing the potatoes before I look at
the beeping.

Speaker 13 (21:32):
Yeah, but I mean, you know, how often, in real terms,
how often does the alert go off? It doesn't go
off that often. No, it doesn't go that often.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Nationwide, hasn't gone off for for a long time. I'm
not sure when it was. For Mark Mitchell was saying
a long long time, I mean blasting us all the
time in COVID. But since then we got a test
in Auckland about two or three weeks ago. But yeah,
not often at all, it's not that's not a big yeah.

Speaker 13 (22:00):
So I mean that was a test, that's a test
of the system.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
And we want we definitely want those.

Speaker 11 (22:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (22:07):
And I run around testing firearm systems every month, you know,
to make sure they're going to work when they need
to work. That's the whole thing. So, but but what
you deem to be an emergency is not necessarily what
the guy on the other side of the office is
going to deem to be an emergency. So it's very
it's very subjective, and you know, the bottom line is, look,

(22:30):
the example of the previous callers said about an earthquake
tearing in the Tasman Sea in a big ar tsunami
heading our way, Well, if you know they're going to
trigger the civil defense sirens as well, I would hope
in that scenario so that people reading or peeling the
potatoes like you matting to are going to hear the

(22:51):
siren and goar.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
And saying my partent was saying, man doesn't even pealed
the potatoes. Is a terrible example where you continue.

Speaker 13 (22:57):
To stay but we get your points, so turned down
at dinner, invited your place. But the thing, the thing is,
if you hear the civil defense sign and your phone's
gone off roughly at the same time, you should beginning
to think, Hey, there actually might be something that I
need to pay attention to here. Yeah, and again you

(23:18):
can go and look at your phone. What you do
with that information is entirely up to you. You can
go back to feeling your potatoes. So I just don't
understand why people are getting emotional about it.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, I mean, it is odd how emotional people are
getting out about it. And I think when I hear
someone saying that I got woken up at six thirty am,
I'm like, you're weak. You should be up anyway. I
was up at six thirty am. I don't care about that.
I'm just concerned that, Yeah, I was up feeling just
hundreds and hundreds of potatoes. Just had to get two

(23:51):
hours of potato peeling and in the morning before work. Now,
I just I was just surprised how I assumed on
all my immediate thought, as I keep repeating myself, I
was just quite surprised that my immediate thought was this
will be nothing, you know. And I just wonder if
that's something that a lot of people, you know, if
I'm an outlier, if that's a way a lot of
people thought.

Speaker 13 (24:12):
So we live in a so we're down here in
Wellington and we live in a hill suburb and hut. Yeah,
so we're not going to be affected by a half
meter wave or a meat a wave coming up the harbor.
But we do often take the dog for walk on
Betonia Beach. So getting that alert last night at eight
o'clock was actually kind of helpful.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, would you support would you support a sort of
half alert sort of a yeah, this is a this
is a problem, but it's not it's not anything for
you to sort of worry too much about. Maybe don't
take the dog down as opposed to just one level
of alert, which is probably the same thing we get
on its coming our way.

Speaker 13 (24:48):
No, because if I mean if people are complaining about it, now,
can you imagine the rabid responses if you start getting
half alerts, start getting half half alerts, people are thinking
the alerts are half fast now halfst alerts.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah you know, Yeah, Well one thing's for sure, Blair,
people will complain no matter what happens.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yep, exactly, Blair. Thank you Blue, Yeah, thanks very much
for giving us a buzz. Right, we've got railings standing
by with headlines. But we're going to pick this back
up after that. What emergency should the emergency alert system
be used for? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call? Twenty five to two.

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Speaker 4 (26:36):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So what emergency should
the emergency alert system be used for? One hundred and
eighty teen eighty is the number?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Call Brent, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 15 (26:47):
Yeah, good afternoon, guys. Yeah, I don't have an issue
with the emergency alert. I have an issue when I've
had at six times. I had it through time this morning. Wow,
So I've had it six times. I had it had
it twice yesterday afternoon and then one at then one
at eight o'clock away last night, and then we had

(27:10):
a little wake up one at six thirty this morning,
and then driving down transmission go over.

Speaker 16 (27:17):
This morning.

Speaker 15 (27:17):
It around about eight o'clock or ten past day. I
got it again and then out to sea Tune and
I got it again. So I did find out that
if you are flicking between cell sites, you will get
at multiple tips.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Right, And so did you feel informed?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Did you feel informed, Brent.

Speaker 15 (27:36):
I felt pissed off, to be honest, because there's nothing
worse than having bluetooth on in your ear and you're
getting this thing screaming at you.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's aggressive, it is, it is.

Speaker 15 (27:45):
You know they could do you know, they were advisories,
so they were the warning and there's no reason they
can't have advisory and maybe have a lesser tone for
an advisory and maybe a different tone for a complete warning. Yeah,

(28:05):
they obviously have the tone to actually put through to
your So why can't they have Why can't they have
distinguishing tones?

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I agree, Brent. I think that's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Do you think it was worthy of and look twenty
twenty hindsight obviously, but do you think it was worthy
of obviously not worthy of six? Do you think it
was worthy of one or two blasts of the emergency alert?

Speaker 17 (28:27):
One or two?

Speaker 15 (28:30):
Okay, we a lot of people didn't realize there was
a massive earthquake in Russia. I think once you know,
if you flipped on your phone and had a look
at Facebook, you got it anyway, you know. Geovil nowadays
are throwing up all sorts of news articles on on
the on the on your phone, so you're getting it anyway.

Speaker 17 (28:53):
Eight point eight.

Speaker 15 (28:53):
Is more than likely going to generate a tsunami, whether
it's you know on the other side of the world,
are we.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Going to get it?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Not the only thing I think with if they have
a different sound for something that's not so serious. There
most people when they hear you are a little nice
jingle and it's it's not an emergency, but something that
you need to know. Then the past maturity I think
would just say, oh, I don't need to worry about that.
They only worry when it's the Bismarck.

Speaker 7 (29:20):
Well, everybody gets them.

Speaker 15 (29:21):
They have a little their phone down there, whether it's
a text message or someone someone sending some of the
Facebook messengers. If you're hear and think they're gonna look
at their phone. But yeah, it's a more serious you know,
if there was, if there was a more of a
massive alert tone out there. And as a guy a

(29:42):
couple of callars ago said, if they you know the
civil events were and you know they put out the asirums,
a lot of them are actually taking the assirums down.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, Brent, great thoughts, I mean that's not great, is it?

Speaker 7 (29:54):
No?

Speaker 3 (29:54):
No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I mean, I think, why don't we all agree we
need tsunami sirens and key places.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I think could be no argument there. Thanks for you call,
Brett yep. Right, We've got to play some messages. But
when we come back. Someone who's just text in he
was around the cabinet when the system was established. Steven Joyce. Ah,
so we're going to have a chat with Steven Joyce,
former National Party MP, finance minister. Very very talented man.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Write a great book.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah, absolutely great book. We're going to catch up with
him next. It is seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
News Talk.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Said, be very good afternoon. We are talking about the
emergency alert system. So someone who just texts through. He
is a former National MP and minister and he was
around the cabinet table when this emergency alert system was established.
His name is Steven Joyce and joins us on the line. Now, Steven,
good afternoon.

Speaker 17 (30:48):
Good guys, how are you very good?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Welcome to the show. So was the setup because the
technology became available to hit everyone's phone with an emergency alert?
Is that that what motivated the setup It became.

Speaker 17 (31:01):
Available, and of course at the moment became available, the
officials thought it was a good idea and minister at
the time was the late Nikki Kay and she has
a great Minister of Civil Defense and she was on everything,
and Nikki was very keen. But it is fair to
say there was a lot of discussion around the cabin

(31:21):
table about the potential for Mission creep. You know, the
whole idea was it was it at be a for
a life threatening situation where people needed to know to
do something to save their own lives. And I think,
you know, this is the amount of time it's getting
used is probably no surprise to those of us that

(31:42):
were a bit worried that it would. It would give
Mission creep over time and potentially therefore lose its effect.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, so what is the threshold to send it out
if it hasn't changed since your time? And who actually
makes that decision?

Speaker 17 (31:56):
I think it has been changing. It's sort of made
by Civil Defense. But as you can see, there has
been other instances and COVID was probably the first one
where it became more of a sort of public notice
public information system for a while there, which I think
I would require government sign off, And of course at
that time, you know, everybody was pretty naturally enough obsessed

(32:20):
about all that, so there was a lot of things
that were changed and used in different ways of what
they were attended during that time. But then you go
on to missing people like the lady in christ Church,
and it worked in that situation, but that really wasn't
what it was intended to do. And obviously that's a
decision for somebody other than for all defense, because I'm
not involved in things like that. And then you get

(32:41):
sort of localized rain for which we had here on
the North Shore just a couple of weeks back, where
you get a warning that it could be flooding, and
it's like, well, you know, and I think there is
a real risk of fatigue with it ignoring it. And
even yesterday, actually I was at a meeting when the

(33:02):
first one came through and everybody's phones went off at
the same time, and there was about eight people in
the room and of them probably two thirds like oh god,
what now?

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, yeah, was the consideration at the time, Stephen. For
levels of alert. There's been a lot of discussion this
morning about having some sort of different tone if it
was something like we got yesterday in this morning, that
it's a warning rather than get out of the house
now or hunker down. Was there any of those discussions
that took place.

Speaker 17 (33:27):
Well, I think there may have been, but not formally,
because where you end up with as if there's a
softer alert, let's say, whether then they just use it
more right son, Then it becomes a situation where the
government is effectively using using a sort of national alert system, which,

(33:48):
let's face it is quite an intrusion on people's lives.
You can debate the noise and all that sort of stuff,
but at the end of the day, it grabs their
attention and so one level it's quite big brotherish and
the idea that you know, you should be providing just
sort of general useful, helpful safety tips through these through

(34:10):
these systems, I think has gone.

Speaker 7 (34:12):
A bit far.

Speaker 17 (34:12):
Probably for most people. I suppose the risk is that
if you had a softer alert, then it would just
get used even more for those for those situations, And
I think probably the real question for governments is under
what circumstances should it be used and to understand there
is a risk that if you use it too often,

(34:35):
you've got to keep people safe. And I'm certainly not
arguing they shouldn't be using it in yesterday's event. I
think they should have by all means put one out.
I'm just saying that some of some people's reactions to
that will be in the fact that you know, they
got one for rainfall a week and a half ago,
and then there was a test a couple of weeks
before that, and then they get another one at six
City this morning, and I sort of think, yeah, you've

(34:55):
sort of you are at risk of overdoing it, which
was always the potential risk.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Do you think that we are It's symptomatic of a
society that's becoming too safe and courtious? Is this Texas?

Speaker 5 (35:07):
Is Hi?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Guys? This the problem with health and safety in New
Zealand has reached the stage where most of it is
just butt covering just in case. He goes on to say,
but there is just this feeling that I get when
when the thing beeps, as I keep saying this hour,
repeating myself, where I just thought, I bet that's nothing.
Do you think we do.

Speaker 17 (35:25):
Have that the boy who cried Wolf scenario, right, that's
a risk. But yeah, I mean, well, people do expect
to be warned about things. I mean, imagine if imagine
if if you didn't put an alert out and then
there was a big sun army and people died. Then
it's understandable. And in that situation that the you know

(35:48):
that the officials will want to be on the side
of caution.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
But there has to be a line somewhere and someone
has to pick it, right, someone has somebody has to.

Speaker 17 (35:55):
Pick the line, and I think probably it's right to
pick the line that you know, if there is a
risk of lots of life. But somebody else needs to
have the cold head and say, you know, we've we've
got to be careful that we're not going to over
use us saying to the point where it stops being
effective and just just upsets people.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Well, thank you so much for talking to us. I've
ever talked to you, Stephen Joyce. I was going to
say I enjoyed your book on the record, but I
think that you need to write another book that's the
all of radio, because the chapters on radio were so interesting.
I've been in radio for years and I didn't know
that history. But it's an incredible times.

Speaker 17 (36:31):
Someone well less you know, I'm probably a little bit
busy at the moment that you're familiar with.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Well, yeah, very true. Work out three hundred pages on
radio in the end.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, very good, Stephen.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Great to catch up, Thank you very much, and very
good to get his perspective being round that kebnet table,
which is interesting because, as he said, they were worried
about Mission creep and being overused, which leads credence to
your thoughts that it has been overused and there may
be a lot of people out there that just aren't
paying attention.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
And secondary point, the history of radio and New Zealand
is incredibly interesting, especially the move from you into private
private stations.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, great stuff, and you've lived some of that. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is eight to two.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Matd Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons news talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Very good afternoons you it is five to two. So
I've had so many texts come through about any changes
potentially that we need for the emergency alert system.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, I was just saying that. Look, when it came through,
I was sure it wouldn't be much. And maybe that's
a failing for me. But this text has taken a
very dim view of my attitude. Okay, at Heath, I
hope you don't check the next one and pay the
ultimate price. People like you have blood on your hands.
Shame on you. I really hope you drown or worse. Wow,

(37:56):
what's worse than drowning? I guess burning alive in lava?

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah, well, both of those would would suck.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
To be honest, if I'm going to go down, I
think i'd write I don't want to burn alive in lava. No.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
No, you preferred drowning over that. But that's a weird
thing to say. This is a good ticks here. Getay, guys,
welcome to the She'll be right, New Zealand. Bloody boomers
people would be winging this morning if we didn't get
any alerts warning of potential days dangers when you were
digging your family and friends out of the mud and
pulling them out of the water. I'm glad we got
the advisory and we're safe. Nothing is perfect. Let's praise

(38:27):
authorities and let them do what they do. Your idea
of having two different alerts sounds like it potentially could work.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
But wise up from John.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Okay, wise up?

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Why is up? Wow?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
First world problems. It's too noisy, get over it. Yeah,
I mean I do agree with that one. I mean
people complaining just because it was too noisy. I just
I just think if you don't get the line right,
epathy will creep in. Yeah, and people will not take
these warnings seriously. They won't check them. They'll stay stay
with the potatoes.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Just think the potatoes are important.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah. Yeah, I'll just do five more potatoes for a
check that because the last one wasn't anything.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Great discussion.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Thank you very much to everyone who called antext on
that coming up after two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Even thank you to the person that wanted me to drown.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah yeah, even then they caused them twenty cents to
throw a saving even you. Yep, we'll take your money.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Coming up after two o'clock, a convicted drug dealer who
use Facebook to sell drugs says it's super easy. So
we want to have a chat about selling drugs weapons
tases on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
If you've come across it. Oh wait, undred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. We got news
coming up next. Great to have your company as always.
You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons US Talks.

Speaker 10 (39:47):
It be.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Very very good afternoons. You is seeven pass too. Great
to have your company as always.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah, let's put the emergency alerts to bed and freak
out about Facebook. A convicted drug dealer has said getting
drugs and weapons is super easy on Facebook. Cocaine, ecstasy, mdumay, weed, guns,
even tasers, tiler, which was.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
News to well music to your ears. I've got to say,
I mean I've been looking to get a taser. We've
been talking about that for ages. We've been trying to
hunt down a taser, homemade taser, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I mean killing a vigilantical taser man that goes out
at night, just tasering people.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Please please do that. I will pay you good money.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
To not sure who people and discretions.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
That guy in the redot would be suspect number one.
But yeah, this is going to be a good one.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
So this convicted drug dealer said it was super easy
to be able to sell these products on Facebook, and
effectively Meta is letting these sellers get away with blue murder.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
But I'm as reading this story, and it's easy for
him to say it's super simple to sell drugs. But
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
I mean, I have never seen anyone try and shift
any drugs on Facebook on Instagram. I've never as far
as I know, I don't anybody.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
That's so you're saying the subject we're talking about is
in the thing.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
No, but I wonder. I mean, I'm just not in
these dark places of Facebook.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Are they really dark?

Speaker 7 (41:08):
Play?

Speaker 3 (41:08):
But I would readily omit. I'm pretty naive about these things.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Well, there's definitely possible to buy drugs on the dark web,
so this is just a little bit of a lighter
version than dark Web. I mean, you know, why would
this convict the drug dealer say that you can If
you can't, I can see it. I think people are
quite brazen about this kind of thing now. I think
people assume that police won't bother investigating. I think people

(41:36):
just think that that society has moved on and then
we don't really care about a class drugs in the
same way as we did. Having said that, Tyler, I
just searched on my Facebook account, so maybe I will
see if the cops turn up any second, can I
buy cocaine? Please?

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
So I texted that, and I mean I put that
into the search engine and this is what came up.
If you see the sale of drugs, please report it.
We remove content that doesn't follow our community standards. If
you or someone you know struggles with substance misuse, free
confidential treatment and information are available. And look, you know,
when you look at this, you know, you know, you

(42:14):
say that they don't do it. But in the story
that I'm looking at here there's pictures of people selling
drugs online.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Right yep, cocaine from anywhere for one hundred and fifty
bucks to fourteen hundred bucks. Gas fee applies out of Mungarty,
so he actually does drop offs and if you're outside
of Mungety then you've got to pay some gas money.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
MDMA.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I like that this drug dealer is. But this it
sounds like he's not making a huge amount of money
because when you think about a drug dally, think about
them driving Bentley's, you know, living in flash pads by
the beach. Because they're making so much money. But this
guy cares about gas money, so at least he's not
making a lot.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
He knows his outgoings and he's got to cover those
MDMA one hundred and twenty bucks to six hundred bucks.
So they've got the eight ball there. And again I'm
naive here, I don't actually know what an eight ball is.
But so all sorts of amounts of drugs can be purchased,
and as the drug dealers is pretty readily. And then
as you mentioned those three D guns and dasers as well,
So I eight hundred eighty ten to eighty when you

(43:14):
suitch for that in Meta, and of course Meta was
going to say what they just said there, But it
wasn't a hard no, was it. It was effectively, if
you see these things, you should dB it in and
whether we take it down don't know. That's up to
an AI bot.

Speaker 7 (43:25):
To do that.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Okay, Tyler, this person is pushing back from the police.
The are very common. I work for the police. We
see it all the time. There we were buying a
class drugs off Facebook.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, I am a Pollyanna. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
How we easy is it to get these drugs off Facebook?
Do you know people that have been buying these drugs
or who are selling these drugs? Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call?

Speaker 2 (43:49):
How easy is it to buy drugs? Generally speaking? How
easy is it to just to get your hands on
what you want MDMA, cocaine, XC weed, guns, tases? How
hard is it you give us a call in secrecy?

Speaker 4 (44:05):
This is going to be a great conversation. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of call.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Let's get into it. It is eleven past two.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Nob and I'm not seeing any of you a link.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk, ZI, be.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Very good afternoon. It is fourteen past two. How easy
is it to get a hold of drugs and guns
and tases on social media? Or a great story in
the Herald today and judging by the text, it seems
to be fairly common out there in the community that
it is incredibly easy.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Today's topic sounds like the lyrics from that Queens of
the Stone Age song feel Goodhead of the Summer. That
is a great song. That is a great jazy marijuana
man Buggingcaine.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Yeah, great, text Rod, How are you doing great?

Speaker 16 (44:55):
How are you guys?

Speaker 8 (44:56):
You've got the brilliant show boys, a brilliant show anyway.
But look, I'm just going to say that, being old
school and ancient back in the day, I'm talking the seventies, yes,
knew who you were buying your asset off. You know,
if you're getting Green Dragon blotters or you know, mister
Natural Blotters or doom Dots or whatever, you knew who

(45:20):
you were dealing with. So you know, it was a
totally different landscape. And I think I'm surprised, to be honest,
about Facebook. Maybe I'm naive, but I left my Facebook
a number of years ago. But yeah, people don't know

(45:40):
what they're going to be getting, and they're always going
to get it. I mean, no matter what the law provides,
there's always going to be people out there buying drugs.
And it's just I think it's out of control now.
I think, you know, with you know, with digital sort

(46:02):
of stuff, you can get around all sorts of corners
and it's a bit frightening really because you know, the young,
I mean grandkids and I hate them to be doing
that sort of stuff, But I think, yeah, I think
things have radically changed and it'd be good to see

(46:22):
it lockdown and canceled.

Speaker 15 (46:25):
Out that I dealt whether it.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, what I mean they get through corners. Yeah, well
it's hard to go. I mean that's the whole problem
with Facebook, isn't it. You know, there's no number to call,
there's no there's no contact in contact in New Zealand.
Now I've got to ask the question, right, were you
happy in the seventies.

Speaker 8 (46:42):
I was a hippie in the seventies. Yes, I've done
a lot of acid and you know, and sort of
listened to the grateful bed still day I did, and
you know, but I'm and do that sort of stuff
these days, and I'm thankful that I've sort of got
through that stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Do you think when do you think acid sets on
terms of you know, because everyone lumps drugs together, but
they're very different. The difference between ethanphetamine, cocaine M D
M A and acid, they're they're wildly different drugs. So
where do you think acid sits on the risk?

Speaker 8 (47:16):
Well, acid sits there with like psilocybin, mushrooms, I think
and MDMA being an empathy you know what, they call it,
an empathygen I think those, you know, reasonably benign unless
you've got mental illness and issues. But the rest of
the stuff, like meth and heroin and stuff like that, Yeah,

(47:38):
that's bad shit, you know. And I think I don't
think there's enough sort of you know, sort of separation.
You know.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
They a lot of the.

Speaker 8 (47:53):
Media and people who don't understand that sort of area
just lump everything together.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I mean, I think that's a huge problem. And it
also loses credibility because someone who's taken mushrooms knows that
it is not meth and fetamine. They know a totally
different thing.

Speaker 8 (48:11):
And look, Matt, have you read the latest Norman over book.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
I interviewed him about it. What is it called a
Norman Olive?

Speaker 8 (48:20):
I know, I remember you interviewing him about Blitzed.

Speaker 18 (48:25):
It's called Tripped.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, and I have read Tripped, and that's about That's
about the experiments on on l Yeah.

Speaker 8 (48:32):
You know, he's a fine writer and investigator. Yeah, But
that's all I've got to say is I think it's
a very complex problem, you know, And like you say,
you guys are saying, I mean, yeah, you can't compare
magic mushrooms with heroin or you know, mes and fhetamine

(48:53):
and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, thank you so much for you call Rod. Yeah,
I mean, if you guys ever get to a chance
out there. One of the best books I've ever read
is called Blitzed Drugs in Nazi Germany, and it just
talks about how addicted to essentially methanphetamine the Nazis were,
and that's a lot. What Blit's wright was was just
people staying up all night and arriving early, so it

(49:15):
seemed like they planned for everyone to arrive at the
same time. And Hitler was basically just a massive drug addict.
En of it's really good. He's a German writer called
Norman Wheeler and he's just a fantastic writer and us
like enough to interview.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Yeah, I'm going to check that out. Oh eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. How
easy is it to get a hold of drugs on
social media? Love to hear from you. It is nineteen
past two.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
This person's buying their drugs on Tinder.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Wow, wow, that is next level. We'll give them a
call and said we can have a chat to that person.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, do you want to date a drug dealer?

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Some people do? That means what you're into?

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I reckon it's swipe left on someone on a drug dealer.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Some great texts coming through on how easy it is
to buy drugs on social media. Great story in the
Herald saying that it is incredibly common. This text here
is my whole life.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Cannabis has been a grubby illegal drug. So it's a
real mind flip in twenty twenty five to be holding
a container of cannabis flower that sees medicine.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Stop being so pathetic and alarmist. Who cares where people
get their drugs? If you enjoy a class, that's your business.
The easier the better. I still at the cash, I
still get the cash out of the money machine. It's dodgy,
as my accountant keeps asking why all three hundred buck withdrawals.
So I botched the reading of that.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
But that is I mean, that's a party person right there.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yeah, so is this person right that? You know? People
are buying drugs. They always have by bought drugs. People
are just freaking out now because it's on Facebook. I mean,
is that any worse than someone getting cash out and
meeting a dealer on.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
The street going to the tunny house?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
As this is just the new way people are doing it,
and someone saying they do it on Tinder as well.
So yeah, you know, is it really are we just
being pathetic and alarmist?

Speaker 16 (51:07):
John?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Welcome to the ship.

Speaker 7 (51:09):
Well, very good, thank you. Hey.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
Yeah, so I think there's a bit of confusion. So
it's not as easy as as you're painting apticates kind of.
That's not just jump on marketplace and you'll have instant
access to the market of a llegal that's that's on
uh they run messenger uh groups, so you've got to

(51:36):
get vouched in to these groups and then that's when
you have access to anything anything you want.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Right, So like a WhatsApp group or a Facebook message
that's like encrypted.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
That's like they say it's encrypto, but I can guarantee
you that the police do monitor. But that's that's literally
if you've got a friend that's already on this on
one of these pages, make there's hundreds of them. You
can get anything, right, like you said, you can get

(52:10):
we arm cocaine with guns, tasers, man, you can even
you can even get like shoppers. They call them shopper pages.
So you you send them your list and people go
and they get shopping for you at half the price.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
How do you get shopping for what? Anything?

Speaker 5 (52:32):
Or for like food, like people call them, people call
them meat runs. So they'll say like I want like
five lands tin roasts and that they they'll they'll go
through the run and it'll be like a value of Yeah,
they'll be like a value of say a thousand dollars,
and then they'll go ad for four hundred and then

(52:52):
who wants the job? How do you people?

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Just how do you get vouched into the situation? How
do you get invited into one of these these sort
of threads, these checks.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
So just one of one of your friends just say,
like just say, like a followers a final you use
got well and I was part of it. I could say,
can I add met blah blah blah into this group
at dot from and then the admin will go up
to sweep and then they'll just the log us in
and then many's about them yeah, and you just go

(53:25):
you could just okay shopping whatever you need. But like
I said, you know, the class is so that's that's easy. Yes,
you get the convenience of someone just dropping it off
street to your front door.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Right, how is it delivered and how do you work
work how the conditions of delivery worked out? Because imagine
that's that that's the biggest risk for people that are
selling it as that point of delivery.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
Yeah, and then that's where it comes down to a
bit of trust. And I've known individuals that only work
off certain people online where they've get they've gained a
bit of trust online and they'll only use them as
their supplies. So what they'll do is that they'll just
meet up to say down at the gas station or
at the supermarket and the car park and yeah, just

(54:09):
do the transaction now. And but you kind of gain
trust over over time if you're continuously using I said,
an individual, you know, And that's all it comes down
to is just building their trust with the individual. And
the funny thing is is that these pages have kind
of driven the market down. In the weed game, people

(54:30):
used to pay three fifty four to fifty got to
a point where it's like up to five hundred dollars
for an ounce. Man, now you're picking it up for
like two hundred bucks, you know, easy. You can pick
up a pound the weed easy. Yeah, it's just so yeah,
but he's said, I think that's yeah. I think that's
where the confusion is. What the herald is that this

(54:51):
guy that's been convicted saying it's Facebook, he's just relating
these messenger groups with Facebook. Obviously they work side by side.
So that's where the confusion is.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
But yeah, so how do you know John that it's
not going to be cut with something that if you
go into something like co kine or in d m A,
that you're getting a product that is not going to
have some fillers in it. I suppose that's part of
the trust situation.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
Yeah, yeah, so what you as you you kind of
see other people giving the mob for so you can
ask the question, like you say, just say like if
Matt was left the guy and you're just saying you're
you're you're Dropper's handle or one of the fatures like
help trustworthy as Matt, you know, the hundred percent, and
then everyone's just you're just yeah, and then you just

(55:37):
see everyone bumping up, you know, they saying giving them
the thumbs up. Yet this is good, good, good good.
And then you're off and it's have you have.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
You heard of anyone getting busted, you know and one
of these.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
Groups and all, honestly, no, I haven't heard no one,
No one. I've seen I've seen guys on their page
for like years, bro like and they're making they're making bank,
you know. And yeah, yeah, it's definitely a market you
know where it's like I said, it's as convenient as
to your front door, you know, and it's the guys

(56:10):
will be there quicker than uber. Man. You know, you
can order, you can order, you can order a pound
a week faster than what you can do a pizza
that's not quicker as wow. So yeah, like there's there's
any any questions you need to ask, man, I'm I'm
more than happy to tell you guys.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Good man, thank thank you, thank you, thank you so
much for sharing. Have you hid anything around the dark web.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
That's a whole lot of mumbo jumbo. Man, you know,
I've heard, I've heard rumors, I've seen guys activated, But man,
that's only if you're looking for like like tanks and
you know, crazy crazy stuff. Man, you know what like
a python like like that's you know only look, it's
only exhumers ever debble into that world. You know. It's

(56:58):
uh but like I said, man, these these Messinger pages, Man,
that's bunkers. You know. It was it was the first
time I've seen.

Speaker 7 (57:07):
So helpers pick.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
That was the one that really I was like, man,
that's what's going on here? You know. But yeah, people
will put up a list say like given like toys
and stuff will close. So they'll put up a list
of clothes and they say, oh, if you can fulfill
this order, we will give you five hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
Were you then, Yeah, this is great chatting with you, John.
Would you get into trouble and whether or not you're
involved in these groups? But would you get into trouble
You're in this group and a mate who's outside and
says to your hey, i'd really like some cannabis, so
you sort them out through the group and you take
a little bit of a cut from him.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Would that get you in the in trouble with the group?

Speaker 5 (57:48):
Yeah, it's literally as long as the main guy gets
his his you know, lion's share of the of the building.
Whatever you do on the side, that's entirely up to yourself,
you know. But nine times out of ten minute is
so cheap you you really don't need to Yeah, you
really don't need to add any fifty and it's not

(58:09):
really worth it, you know, Yeah, doing that extra fifty dollars.
You know, it's just it's kind of just accepting the
price for what it is, you know. And like I said,
you know, the market is as rural low at the
movement for especially weed.

Speaker 16 (58:25):
Man.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
Yes, there is so much out there, there's Yeah, there's
just so much out there. The market is as pumping
at the moment, and people are lining up to benefit
of the off the cheap weed that's sitting up there.
Like you're not going to go to somewhere where you're
going to pay three hundred and fifty where you can

(58:45):
get the exact same quality for two hundred dollars, you know. Yeah,
So that's that's just how the market is.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Absolutely. But say you're in the script and you're talking
about that there's a bit of shoplifting in there. There's
there's a bit of cannabis in there. If someone comes
in with something that's outrageous, is it limits to it?

Speaker 18 (59:03):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
You know, as you say, you know the python on
the dark came or whatever. But if if you're on
one of these chats and someone says I want to
buy an automatic rifle, you know, is that is that is?
That is that just like this is this is this
isn't one that this isn't one the chats about.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
Sorry, No, it's definitely not from the pon. That's that's
something that is that's it's normal. They do handguns. I
know your taser situation pretty well. How how they get
it into New Zealand. They get them shipped straight to
your house. That's the funny thing.

Speaker 7 (59:36):
Like you you you hear all.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
These stories about the New Zealand police potentially being on
top of what these people are doing. But man, I've
I've seen it. I've witnessed it happened, and I've seen it.
Not just one taser. I've seen someone by like fifty
in one job. Yeah, it's it's it's just so easy,
you know. But like I said, it comes down to

(01:00:01):
being vulched into these pages. And then once you get
vouched and you you you get you get put forward
to every other page that gets opened. So if someone
opens up the new page, they will take your your
your handle over to the new pages, so on and
so on so on, and then you're constantly getting added

(01:00:25):
to all these different Facebook for please messinger groups.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Yeah, John, so yeah, fascinating to chat with you. Thank
you very much for giving us a buzz and giving
us some insight.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Yeah, yes, that's us. Just yeah, that's the guy that
being just opened it up to the new jail and
ural other budget. I'm as ring up to you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Yeah, good on you, Thank you very much, fellows. Yeah,
you have a good afternoon man. I eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty. So is what John just said true?
If you're in those groups or you've gone through those
groups before, I'd love to hear from you.

Speaker 7 (01:00:59):
Is it that easy? O?

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Waighte hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Does it concern you? Yeah? Does that freak you out?

Speaker 17 (01:01:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Give us a buzz? I waighte hundred eighteen eighty is
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Back now to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, And that is exactly what
we're talking about now, the ability to buy drugs, weapons,
tases and more on Facebook messenger groups. Had a call
from John before the headlines who analyzed and broke it
all down for us. He's been part of those groups before,
but'd love to hear from you on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. If you've managed to purchase drugs online?
How easy was it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
And if you heard John, are you terrified by how
easy it appears to be? Beverly says, why are the
cops not doing their jobs in sorting this out? I
wonder if these people would feel comfortable getting prescription medicine
from someone they met on Facebook. It's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
M Yeah, uh, it's interesting. What prescription medicine would you
want to get?

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
I wonder like if you're seen expensive prescription medicine people
can't get hold of.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
I'm sure they're selling tramadol, codeine, opraioids, right, yeah, you
know people love that stuff sometimes, the little blue pills. Yeah, oh,
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. I mean, should the
police try be making this a priority to clamp down
on these missing message of groups and can they really
keen to have a chat with you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
The six says you're leaving me cold man when you're old.
They prescribe your drugs soon enough for heart clients, rattling
and no advertising. It's all that you against the law.
A few smokes emit the bad soon and the illegal ones.
What's the difference between the illegal ones and the ones
that we're given. It's all being pushed upon us.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Yeah, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
I mean yeah, but I mean, isn't that more of
the whole thing that all drugs are the same thing?
You know, we had that quarter before from Rot and
he was talking about it. It's funny how we say
drugs and we put them all together. It's an incredibly
wide thing. The top of what a drug is the
difference between LSD and methan, phetamine and viagra.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Well, there's that doctor in New Zealand who's now prescribing psilocybin,
which is effectively the active ingredient of magriic mushrooms. Hey guys,
I was living in London and ran out of my
prescription medicine from New Zealand and I couldn't get it
in the UK as it was illegal. I called a
friend in New Zealand who was able to order it
for me on the dark web. It arrived a day
later in an armmarked brown envelope.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Very scary. How easy this was?

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Yes, interesting, the dark web part of it, So John
said it was just all for tanks and buying pythons
and stuff. But does anyone out there I one hundred
and eighty ten eighty, you know Facebook, Marketplace, Facebook, and
these these threads that people are getting in for me?
I mean, is that that different from just someone meeting
someone through someone and buying drugs? You know, if it's

(01:04:59):
an encrypted chats, it's just a different way of communicating
with drug dealer. But the whole dark web thing that
confuses me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
That's the next level, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
The onions and and the way that works. So you know,
if you know anything about the dark we had love
to hear from you. One hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
You've never given it a crack. I've thought about it,
but it terrifies the hell out of me.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
I know you've got a download a specific type of
browser to do it, but it seems to me a
lot of people are taking advantage of that silk Road,
which was massive and got shut down very famously, but
apparently still very easy to do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Hi, guys, I'm just listening to all your callers regarding
the ease of buying drugs online. On the one hand,
I respect them for calling in making us see the
reality of it all. On the other hand, I feel
it may be advertising to people who don't already buy online.
How to do it? Yeah, yeah, you got to talk
about this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Yeah, but do you want to know the truth or
do you want to put your head in the stand? Clearly,
this is happening out there. As John said, this is
the reality of what's going on. There's a big investigation
story written.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
About it in the Herald. It's happening, and so you know,
from my point of view, I want to hear from
people like John, Oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
God, lads, so so easy to buy drugs on Facebook,
and jeez, it's even easier on the dark dark web.
But it's also very scary. So the dark web sounds
really scary, doesn't it. Yeah, And the dark web is
just it's it's it's how do you explain the dark Web?

(01:06:24):
I'll try and get my words for how to explain
the dark Web. But it's just it's just it's just
the parts of the information that haven't been logged, they
haven't been registered, right, So it's just a way of
getting a browser that goes to areas that haven't been
categorized for you to search, so they're unsearchable areas. And
there's all this business about getting in there with the
onion layers and the onion engine and all that kind

(01:06:46):
of stuff. It's it's quite complicated, but really all it
is is just a sort of wild wild West browser situation.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
Yeah, if you've played around with the dark Web, we'd
love to hear from you. I'll wait one hundred eighty
ten eighty. How hard was it to get into it?
How hard is it to find your way around? And
how easy is it to buy drugs? Get on the phone.
I one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
I also want to hear more about these people that
are buying drugs on Tinder.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Yes, absolutely, give us a buzz. It is nineteen to two.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams. Afternoons
call eight hundred eighty eight us talk.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
They'd be very good. Afternoon sixteen two three So the dark.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Web, because we're talking about that a little bit, that's
where a lot of drug sales happen. Yeah, it seems
a lot happen on Facebook as well.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
The deeper level is the dark Web, which is part
of the Internet that isn't indexed. As I said before,
it's not indexed by traditional search engines, so it requires
special software to exit. There's I mean, there's I mean,
it's this called the tour network or the Onion router yep.
So you have to download a special route, and the

(01:07:54):
way it works is that your Internet traffic is routed
through a series of these servers that have voluntarily operated
and each server doesn't know anything about the last server,
so it's extremely difficult for anyone to trace what's going
on there. But yeah, I mean, it's it's an Onion router,
it's a tour browser, it's a it's a secret world

(01:08:18):
where you know, you can get away with a lot
of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
It's a fascinating world, the dark Web. Yeah, I'd love
to have all we play with it, but it's terrifies
the hell out of me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, But I mean, as I mean, there's been journalists
that protect sources in there, you know, there's there's been
whistleblower stuff, and there's been some good stuff that's happened
down in the dark web as well. There's it's not
all illegal stuff that needs to happen completely anonymously. I
mean there's also black markets and hackers in the air
and terrible stuff going on as well. Yeah, exactly. It

(01:08:47):
is an interesting thing. But the name the dark web
makes it sound so terrifying when really it is just
simply an unindexed search engines.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Yep, it's a good explanation.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you've been buying drugs off Facebook or
you're part of these groups.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Love to hear from you this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Texas says you guys should be charged as push for
this discussion. You know better than a gang member. If
you stop talking about it, maybe less people would do it.
You need to stop drugs kill. What's said about different drugs,
So what you said about different drugs do different things
is completely ignorant and wrong. All drugs do damage, All
drugs are addictive, All drugs are bad.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Right, push a man, great song, John, how are you
Here's go boys? Very good, So you've.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Been around these particular groups, John, is that right?

Speaker 12 (01:09:37):
Now?

Speaker 19 (01:09:38):
Had a look at that dark Web and the sights
I got on there? Yep, it's pretty much the same
as trade me right, so drugs, celler ratings and everything. Yeah,
pretty much pretty much identical.

Speaker 11 (01:09:56):
But are you just for drugs?

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Right? And if you bought anything on there?

Speaker 7 (01:10:01):
Possibly?

Speaker 12 (01:10:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
All right, that was a direct question, wasn't it? And
so so how did you find out about the dark
Web and how did you get in there? Because it
sounds quite quite technical that what you have to go
through to get there?

Speaker 19 (01:10:14):
Yeah, getting the browser and that was a bit of
a mission. But once you know a few people that
have been on there, they give you.

Speaker 7 (01:10:22):
Pretty much a link to one of these sites and
then you just go in there and easy as and
tunes up in your little box four days.

Speaker 19 (01:10:30):
You don't have to deal with any idiots or crazies,
and and it's one hundredscent guaranteed to be pretty much
in the room.

Speaker 7 (01:10:38):
Stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
So to go back to the the you know the
dark Web? How did because if it's not indexed, you
can't search, right, so when you go there, you're not
searching for things. You have to know where you're going,
is that right?

Speaker 14 (01:10:51):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 19 (01:10:52):
Yeah, you've got to have a link. You just copy
paste a link onto the search engine and it just
pops up there and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
When it comes to the delivery, So if someone's delivering
to a mailbox, so that's so, that's interesting. So do
people give their own mailbox? Like you say, this is
my house and then like I know, Father Christmas, you
get up in the morning and it's in the in the.

Speaker 19 (01:11:12):
Mailbox pretty much, you'll get it. You go in, there
will be a pair of undies or or a pair
of socks, and you open it up and your packages inside.

Speaker 16 (01:11:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Well, I remember me and my sister staying up all
night and hiding under the couch to see if we
could catch Santa Claus dropping off the presence, and then
getting sent to bed and heavily told off. I mean,
you're not tempted to just sit looking at your window
and see who it is dropping it.

Speaker 18 (01:11:36):
Off for you?

Speaker 19 (01:11:38):
Oh no, the career comes in the mall.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Right, I see, right?

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Right, So it's yeah, right, do you not worry about
it being picked up at customs though?

Speaker 19 (01:11:49):
Uh don't no customs in New Zealand posts.

Speaker 16 (01:11:54):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
So it's in house, so it's it's in New Zealand.

Speaker 17 (01:11:57):
Sal.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
I'm an interesting thing with it, John, as if it
arrived and police found it in your mailbox, then would
there be plausible dying deniability because everything in the and
you know, in the dark web obviously encrypted and no
one can find it. So can you just say, look,
I didn't I don't know anything about it. I don't
know why this has been Yeah, you.

Speaker 19 (01:12:19):
Just have your post address a different name.

Speaker 16 (01:12:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
So going back to the marketplace that you use on
the dark web, Silk Road was the very famous one
and it got shut down and the creator of that
got arrested. Very famous something. It was a movie made
about it. So is it effectively similar to how the
Silk Road operated? As I understand it, and I've seen
pictures of the Silk Road, it was exactly like eBay.
You just go down and see what drugs you wanted,

(01:12:43):
and there was a price there, you paid it, and
boom you get in the mail.

Speaker 19 (01:12:46):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. And then we'll have they would
have all the test kits. Well, I've tested it and
I'll show you the purity of everything. So well, I
think it's satur like it's a lot safer than buying
it off the streets.

Speaker 7 (01:12:59):
So you're there, you know what you're.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Yeah, John, I think thank you you called John fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
This one says someone I know uses one page on
the dark Web where you can order a garden nome
invasion on someone's house. It's pretty inexpensive as well. So
you can go in the dark Web and you can
go pick someone's house and go deliver twenty five garden
nomes to their house.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
That's a great use of the dark Web. Thank you
very much.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Is that what it's saying or am I missing some
kind of code language.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Oh my guy, it's like pranking someone with whole bunch
of garden gnomes at their home and you got to
use the dark Web.

Speaker 7 (01:13:30):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
That is the wholesome end of you know, you know,
sort of pranking, the wholesome end of the dark Web.
Imagine center garden homes to people's houses.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Yeah, right, coming up, we're gonna have a chat to
a woman called Mary her Son that was arrested with meth,
cocaine and ketamine. But an interesting story that goes along
with that, So we're gonna have a chat to her next.
It is ten to three, the issues that affect you
and a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
News talks, It'd be it is seven to three.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Carl says, Guys, I got banned for selling on Facebook.
I got banned from selling on Facebook for selling Roman candles.
They wore me the first time and the second time
I used a real candle for the photo, and once
they allowed that, I changed the photo to Roman candles
and within seconds I was banned from selling. How the
hell can they sell drugs on there? I'd like to
buy some clones. Any chance you know a link or

(01:14:24):
a group, Carl, some clones? Yeah, I don't know what
clones are well like in Star Wars. Yeah, I want
some Roman candles though. They're great fun, Harry, how are you?

Speaker 10 (01:14:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:14:33):
Good things?

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
So your son, your son was arrested for being in
possession of drugs.

Speaker 10 (01:14:38):
Yeah, he is a drug dealer, a police are aware
of him. But yeah, he got caught with reasonable quantity
of methan Petterman, cocaine and tetamine. I think it was
and evidence that he was going to supply at a
concert that that was coming up. We end it took
a year for him to finally be sentenced. There was

(01:15:00):
lots of delays and missing files and all sorts of things.
He ended up the police ended up dropping all of
the supply charges and I think they did a bit
of a deal where he pleaded guilty for possession and
god or what it meant that he wasn't convicted for
any of the others and ended up with just a
few months on a bracelet and that was his punishment.

(01:15:21):
And meanwhile he continues to deal and he continues with
what he's been doing, so there are no consequences for
the dealers. They can get away with it. I think
it's very very hard for the police to have got
a very high threshold of evidence to be able to
get convictions and things, so, you know, the dealers to
get away with it, and you know, people not talking

(01:15:42):
about it doesn't going to help the situation. It needs
to be talked about and it needs to be much
more out in the open.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
It must be hugely troubling for you as a mum, Mary,
so thank you so much for talking about it. Obviously,
think it's the right thing for people to hear. This
was your son using You know, how was he how
was he selling the drugs? And was it through Facebook?
Was it through No?

Speaker 10 (01:16:04):
I don't. I don't think it was through Facebook. I
think it was just through connections and things. There was
a Facebook post when they put one of somebody put
a picture of one of his kids up on Facebook
and a friend of who's commented and said, oh was
that selling? So yeah, how do you know him get
my drugs from his dad? That was a Facebook chat,
so very very open in everything.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Did he have a drug problem as well? Mary, if
you don't mind me asking, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:16:31):
No, he is an addict. He started when he was
about fifteen and some of the neighbors got him into
drugs and I mean we talk him through counseling and
various things, but yeah, he's just got into it. He's
now involved with gangs and various things.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Do you still talk with him?

Speaker 7 (01:16:48):
Mary?

Speaker 10 (01:16:49):
He hates us, He blames us, says it's all our
fault and we'll have nothing to do with us, which
is really really hard.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Do you have that kind of family position where you
know that that's going on and you maybe think that
he needs to be intervened with, where you would will
you'd go to authorities on him at all.

Speaker 10 (01:17:12):
Well, there's no point in going to the authority. There's
no help out here for families who are in this position.
You know, he's got to want the help he's got
to want. But we will help as much as we
possibly can. But while he hates us and thinks that
we are the worst people in the world and will
not admit that he's got a problem or that he

(01:17:33):
needs help, you can't tourse it on him. It'll just
make things worse. He's the sort of person that the
more you push, the harder he will push back.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Yeah, Mary, thank you for being so candidate, for giving
us a buzz and all the very best going forward
with your son. But thank you very much for going
as call right. That is where we'll leave it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
That was a very fascinating discussion. But coming up, we've
got a new one on the table, new sport and
weather is on its way. Really great to have your
company as always on this Thursday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
You're listening to Matt and Tyler. We will see you
on the other side.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Feel for you, Mary, your tough position to be in.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Your new home for instateful and it's a taining talk
it's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the program. Great
to have your company is always at seven past three.

Speaker 16 (01:18:27):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
Comedian Guy Montgomery, very well known individual, massive in Australia,
very very funny man.

Speaker 8 (01:18:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Friend of mine, Yeah, friend of He recently opened up
to Brodie Kane on her podcast Kiwi Yarns about how
he started therapy started during the lockdowns, but it's helped
him immensely to deal with the precires of his career,
getting big and Aussie and including a lingering fear that
he might not actually be funny.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Here's a little bit of what he said.

Speaker 20 (01:18:51):
Therapy is not something that is just waiting for you
when you are at your lowest EBB. I sometimes looking
at it as I'm paying for the rights to not
listen back. It's like if I treated my friends like this,
I would be a bad friend. I think last year,
when I experienced some growth spurt in my career or
profile in Australia, I felt incredibly self conscious and quite anxious,

(01:19:14):
and I kept visualizing not being funny, or this is
the year I find out I'm not funny, or the
audience find out I'm not funny, and I've worked so
hard to get to this point, and now it's all happening,
it will finally be taken away.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
I remember talking to my therapist about.

Speaker 20 (01:19:28):
That, and she was saying, look, you're standing on the
shoulders or on fifteen years of hard work, and you
are looking at the top of that flight of stairs
down at what it looks like to fall from fifteen
years to the beginning. But if you just turned around
and look behind you, you'd see if it doesn't work out,
you're going back here and that is safe and fine.

(01:19:49):
Recontextualize it in a way where I thought, this is
ultimately this is okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
There you go. So that's a therapist with some good advice.
But what do you think about therapy? Does it work?
I believe it doesn't work for me. I don't think
it saves marriages. That's in my opinion and my experience.
I think that it's basically a therapy couch, if not
that there is ever in a couch, but a therapy
room is just the departure lounge for the end of

(01:20:14):
a relationship. It just helps you out, helps you leave,
It helps people sort out, leaving.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
A mediator for the end.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you might disagree. Does therapy work
for you? And what about the idea that's becoming more
and more common. You're reading about it more and more
and seeing it on social media that you have therapy
all the time, as Guy Montgomery says, even when things
are going well, you still need therapy.

Speaker 16 (01:20:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
It's a big thing in America, isn't it. It's long
been established there that a lot of people, if they
can afford it, go regularly to have a sit down
with a therapist. That was essential theme in the Sopranos
for goodness sake, but always a taboo here to here
about seeing a therapists and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
The other part of seeing a therapist that's interesting. Are
you just reliving the stuff over and over again, talking
about it and re re litigating. Don't you just need
to make some decisions and move on? Don't you just
need to go I mean, just talking about things make
things better always? Or is it sometimes better just to

(01:21:12):
decide that you've got a problem, work out some solutions
and get on with life.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty has therapy our
therapy being valuable for you love to hear from you,
and if you do it on a regular basis, does
it help really keen to get into this? One nine
two nine two is the text number. We've got to
play some messages, but back with your calls very shortly.
It is ten past three used talk ZIV thirteen past
three is their value in regular therapy?

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Yeah, have you had therapy and has it worked? Or
are you like More and more people are saying that
it's just rehashing the same stories week after week with
no real train. It's just entrenching a victim mentality where
you just talk and talk and talk in a circle,
you know, And is there is there an incentive in
the therapist to just keep you coming back and coming back?

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
It's very expensive. Of course it'll be different therapists, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
There's good therapists and bad therapists. But I've got to say,
Matt is and I haven't done it often, but I
have done it to me. It was someone to just
sit there and to listen to what I had to say,
and that person didn't really know me too well. It
was almost like a comfortable stranger, just sitting there listening
and not even offering advice, maybe a couple of strategies
to deal with whatever was going on at the time,

(01:22:23):
But effectively they were just a warm body, a warm, comfortable, happy,
peaceful person just to sit there and listen to what
I had to say, something that I couldn't say to
my mates, because that is pretty you know, that's pretty
punishing hit sometimes, so you need someone a little bit
disconnected from my family, from my friends. This is just
my thinking that can just listen to that, and then

(01:22:44):
if I don't have to see them again, I don't
have to see them again.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Just an offload, right, And.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Did you go out solving any of your problems or
did you just talk about them? So, because this person
says this says where is it? A lot of texts
coming through here. I'll just paraphrase what this person said that, Oh,
you just answered your own question. Solutions come from finding
ways to deal with the situation that you don't understand

(01:23:10):
or know. Therapy or counseling can give you the tools
to find those solutions. And a problem shared is a
problem half Yeah, I mean sure, but maybe a problem
shared is a problem half. But sometimes a problem shared
is just a problem relived, you know, as long as
you've as long as there's a solution to it. And
that Guy Montgomery situation that sounded like as therapist said,
you know, don't freak out that you're at the top

(01:23:32):
of that. If you fall down, then it wasn't so
bad when you were down there. Gave them some good advice, right,
So if you just just I mean, how long should
you go in therapy? Because the thing we're talking about
here is people that are always in therapy. So it's
when things are bad, when things are good, whatever, trauma
in their life, whatever, they're just always in therapy. And
you seem to think it's a good thing because it's

(01:23:53):
someone that has to listen to you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
Yeah, But can I just say, I mean, you're a
big fan of Marcus Aurelius and Seneca and the Stoics.
To me, they are your therapists because they've got tools
and advice and ways of looking at the world and
philosophies that are incredible tools for dealing with challenges and adversity.
But unfortunately they can't talk back to you, but they
offer that advice.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Yeah, but their advice is to look it straight in
the eyes, you know, and take charge.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
That's a good therapist.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Yeah, Dan, you've been to therapy.

Speaker 13 (01:24:23):
Ah, yes, I have.

Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
I've been to counseling and what have you.

Speaker 21 (01:24:27):
But I guess what you were talking about is, for example,
like building the house. Somebody telling you to build a
house and how nice the house slops, but not giving
you the actual tools to build it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:44):
Is that correct? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Well yeah, I mean if you're just talking about a
house and talking about a house and talking about a house,
and you keep talking about it but never actually taking
any steps to build the house, yeah, I would agree.
I mean, maybe a better way to put it would
be like you've got a leak in the roof of
a house, and you're constantly talking about the leak, but
you know someone needs to have a solution to fix

(01:25:07):
the leak. And maybe that's a better way of describing it. Dan,
Oh yeah, I would say that.

Speaker 21 (01:25:13):
But you know, you could go to therapy get the
tools to help fix the problem, but you can't go
to therapy for everything that goes wrong in your life.

Speaker 7 (01:25:29):
I mean that is called life. You know, the circle
of life, and if you.

Speaker 21 (01:25:40):
You know, fix it from the tools that is given
you and from life experience. I found that to be
a lot better you know, having insight, for example, what
triggers you, you know, what's your motivation, and what to

(01:26:02):
stay away from that gives you a bad feeling that's
not good for your mental health, some of those sort
of things.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
So you went to what was the instigator of you
going to therapy?

Speaker 18 (01:26:15):
DN?

Speaker 21 (01:26:17):
The instigator was that I was in a real bad,
toxic work environment, and I went to therapy I think
three times before I ended up having a breakdown and
the doctor telling me that I've got two choices. I

(01:26:39):
either stayed in the toxic work environment or leave and
get better. So I chose to leave and get better.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
Did anyone else give you that advice before you went
to the therapist then, or you needed to hear it
from someone like a therapist that has that illusion of
being a professional in that realm.

Speaker 21 (01:26:59):
Not particularly because what the therapist was giving me you're
trying to give me was all the solutions to stay
at work. You know, Oh, you've got to pay your
rent and your power and everything like this. But at

(01:27:21):
the end of the day, there comes a point.

Speaker 7 (01:27:26):
Where you draw a line in the sand.

Speaker 21 (01:27:29):
And say, am I gonna stay mentally stretched out? Even
on your two days off? You know, you're just thinking
about work all the time, or am I gonna you know,
just leave that toxic work environment and start again, you know,

(01:27:56):
and get well again.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
So did your therapist suggest that you stay or that
you go? Sorry, I'm as step part of it there, Dan.

Speaker 21 (01:28:04):
All the therapists was trying to do was help me
stay at work, right, you know, and Lord this than that.

Speaker 7 (01:28:14):
You could do this, and you could do that.

Speaker 21 (01:28:17):
But when you're in a toxic work environment and you've
got a boss like I had, but always on you,
you know, even on your day's auf.

Speaker 7 (01:28:29):
It's just absolutely terrible.

Speaker 21 (01:28:32):
So at the end I chose to left, leave, and
now I'm one hundred percent better.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Oh that's great, Dan, work for you. It sounds like
you didn't listen to your therapist and then it worked
out great.

Speaker 7 (01:28:46):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 21 (01:28:48):
You could take what your therapist says, but at the
end of the day, you are the one that has
to make the final choice. You are the one that
chooses whether to get well or go to a therapist
for every single thing that happens in your life.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
Yeah, nicely, said Dan. Thank you very much, and glad
it worked out for you. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is a number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Well, it's an interesting one. If your therapist is telling
you not to face the things that trigger you, that's
an interest one because that's the opposite of what is
it Cognitive behavioral therapy CBT, where you face your fears
right and you know, say, for example, if you're scared
of spiders, right, hiding from spiders makes you more scared
of spiders. Spending time with spiders and forcing yourself to

(01:29:36):
be around spiders makes you less scared and better to
deal with it.

Speaker 16 (01:29:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
So I guess there's lots of different types of therapy. Right.
If this therapy teaching you to avoid the things that
trigger you, that's one way of looking at it. Another
way it might be stare the things that trigger you
right in the face and build up the strength to
fight them.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you go to therapy on a regular basis.
Love to hear from you and what value did you
get from it? And if you went to therapy and
you thought it was all just a bit of hogwash,
really can never chat with you too.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
And if you're a therapist, i'd love to hear from
you as well.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
Sell us it, sell us it, Yeah, tell us why
you're so good? It is twenty one past three.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
eighty on News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
News Talk ZED, be very good afternoon to you. We're
talking about therapy.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
Guy Montgomery said to Brody Kane in her podcast Key
with Yarns that he regularly used therapy to help him
deal with some of his self doubt as he became
massive over in Australia's So we want to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
The key point here is that he uses therapy not
when he's at rock bottom, but when he's successful as well. Yeah,
and more and more people are just using therapy all
the time, you know, like the Americans. Yeah, yeah, but
does it work? James, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:30:53):
Are you're going to?

Speaker 18 (01:30:55):
My starting point to set the scene is self harm
and three years ago the therapist kept me alive today,
So it's a bit of I mean, he's a bit
of a bigger story to it, and that me for
it was a workplace issue, a bit of a complaint internally,
got told to piss off the bosses in charge, make

(01:31:17):
your choice. So when I got given there by HR,
I walked out of the door and then went to
the bridge in Wellington with the idea of jumping in
front of a truck and go if you.

Speaker 7 (01:31:28):
That's payback.

Speaker 18 (01:31:29):
So as a result of that, I had a whole
bunch of PTSD stuff that came up from the military
and I was very lucky to involve veteran affairs. And
as part of that process there was the mandatory requirement
to go and see a therapist and listen. To be clear,
that word therapist covers a lot of different things. It

(01:31:50):
covers the spider one that you spoke about before, it
covers eap etc. And the first thing I would say
to anybody is that the first thing being is it
allows you to think about things that have happened in
a different way. It also lets you think that you're
not a victim and that everybody else doesn't see you

(01:32:12):
in the same light that you see within your own head.

Speaker 8 (01:32:15):
And that.

Speaker 15 (01:32:17):
Deals with things like over thinking.

Speaker 18 (01:32:21):
Natural reactions and all that sort of stuff. Unfortunately, in
my case, I then a month later I written my
Achilles tenure in the Bush, and then a month after
that I had a massive polymemdoism where the clot went
up from my leg and I died and then spent
three months in hospital.

Speaker 7 (01:32:35):
So for me, that sucks. My parents it was pretty.

Speaker 18 (01:32:38):
Shite to live here.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
That's rough months. James.

Speaker 18 (01:32:42):
Yeah, So when I put out a hospital, I was
into weekly sessions and then after eighteen months dropped to
mon fortnightly to three week sessions. And then I'm now
three and a half years and we're clear of that process.
But it's available for me to go back.

Speaker 7 (01:32:58):
Now.

Speaker 18 (01:32:58):
What has helped me understand is I had buried myself
into a hole where I thought everybody else was out
to get me. I had no support, I had no
friends to talk to. You feel ashamed, And what that
was was actual caller's head, was the opportunity to talk

(01:33:19):
to somebody where it's a no blame environment. Yeah, that's
the best benefit, so they don't blame you. They didn't
tell me I was right, didn't tell me I was wrong,
but enabled me to talk and cry and without blame.
And the therapist. If you want full value out of them,

(01:33:40):
you've got it. You're the right person, because there's an
awful lot of them. And I went to EAP during
the complete process at work, but that lady had no
knowledge of what business was about, had no visual connection
in regards to what potentially I thought my brain was
telling me I was going through. So if you get

(01:34:01):
AAP as an example.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
And work John James for SINGAP, is that what is that?
Is that an employment in.

Speaker 18 (01:34:08):
The employment the Employment Assistance program Employee Assistance Program, and
a lot of businesses sign A lot of businesses sign
up to EAP and they fund between two to five
sessions for you to be able to go and deal
with your workplace issues, which is a fantastic idea and
a fantastic program, don't get me wrong, But not everybody

(01:34:30):
you can gel with immediately. So if you don't gel
with that person, ask for somebody else, because it's a
no blame environment and somebody might not understand a business place,
somebody might not ask the medical environment, somebody might not
know anything about grief. The overall, I guess point is
that hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people have gone

(01:34:51):
through man mental anguish globally and there are some true
value programs and steps that can bring you from rock
bottom to keep you alive.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Today, I'm so glad. I'm so glad it worked out
for you, Jim James, that's that's fantastic. And and this
therapy sounds like it was the thing for you. So
you went in and you initially started talking to this
therapist when you found the right one without judgments, so
you could get it off your chest without without without judgment,
someone could listen. And then at some point did they

(01:35:24):
start giving you tools to move on to deal with
the situations.

Speaker 18 (01:35:30):
And that just started with things like breathing. Yeah, it
started when you have you know, sometimes when you deal
with dickheads around the world or around your say place,
and the first thing you want to do is go,
you're a So my thing is is that I then
need to take their breath, let my brain catch up
with my mouth, and then things could then progress in

(01:35:51):
a different way. So the big part of that for
me was to pause, don't overthink it, think and then
say something. It's like when you go for a TV
interview or with you guys and you get asked a question.
The first thing you do it it's a hard question,
Take a sip of that water that's on your table,
because that five seconds will allow your brain to dereact

(01:36:14):
to what's going on. So it sort of started with
that sort of and I'm a big overthinker and I'm
a big anxiety things like if I was going to
an HR meeting, I'll think about fifteen things we're going
to go pear shape, and sometimes none of those appeared.
And it was a great day. So thinking about that,
and then when you get to that point where you

(01:36:35):
start to think, your whole brain changes. And it's actually
a chemical thing. It's a proven chemical thing that if
you start to think of things differently, you go out
and do some exercise, you walk in the sunlight, you
just sit on the side and have a cup of
coffee or on ice cream and watch the kids play,
your brain changes and it starts to think that being

(01:36:56):
here is worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Well, James, I'm so glad that that it worked out
for you, this therapy. And you know, I mean, the
more you read about the stuff that that kind of
thing you're saying there, James is one hundred percent. You
know mind. You know you brought up the stoics. They've
been saying that for the longest time. I mean Seneca
said that the enemy of anger is delay. I mean,
delay is a really important thing, breathing, you know all
those things that James said. So I'm so pleased that

(01:37:20):
it's that you're better now. You're feeling a bit better now, James,
And thank you so much for sharing with us.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Yeah, you're a good man, James.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you use therapy on a regular basis,
even of the good times.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Love to hear from you. Did you get value from it?
And what value did you get from it? It is
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Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty six to four.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
A lot of love and rightly so for James and
caller we just had before the ads. It's go to
the ads, keep them on. But James was a great guy.
This guy's gold. Notice how much calmer he is now
compared to the start of the call. Yeah, I mean,
James breathe for five seconds is so good it stops
a truck running through the head. Pauses are not necessarily
a problem. Yeah, I mean we've talked about this before

(01:39:20):
on the show, the concept of the physiological side where
you just take some time to breathe in through your
nose and then breathe out. The way you do this
one is to go so you breathe in through your
nose right up and then one extra sniff. It's a
complicated thing around filling the sex and your lungs completely,

(01:39:43):
even the ones that aren't fill, and then exhaling longer
than you breathed in. You do that three times, and
it just gives you time to stop the miggler and
the primitive parts of your brains firing up and going
so crazy, and just it so works. And the funny
thing is, you know, we have all these things and
euroscientists come up with these things and therapists, but it
was what my mum used to say to me. You know,
I'd get angry and you'd go, okay, Matthew, just stop,

(01:40:07):
count to ten and breathe.

Speaker 16 (01:40:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
You know, people have known that for all of time,
but sometimes we forget it. And and in these moments
when you're feeling really intense, you know, you don't feel
like doing it, yeah, but if you can just take
you know, do three big breaths in and out. Well, seriously,
it sounds sounds trite because it's so obvious, but it really,
it really does help anything. So thank you so much
James for saying that.

Speaker 6 (01:40:30):
Genuinely.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
When I read that in your book and started doing that,
that has been a game changer. I mean I used
it this morning when that guy in the red truck
splashed me with water.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
I thought, no, just do the breathing. Yeah, and it
helps immensely.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Marcusraelis said, how much worse are the consequences of anger
than the causes? Alex, You're currently in therapy?

Speaker 16 (01:40:52):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
How's that going?

Speaker 16 (01:40:57):
No, really good. I've been in therapy for probably eight
years now, and that's I mean, like the previous cause
that started. It started with a workplace issue where I
was being harassed, and then went to you know, the

(01:41:20):
HR team, and then under our employment agreement or whatever
it is, we got I got three free sessions. But
you know it was just it was basically you know,
open doors to to what was lying beneath this this

(01:41:41):
work workplace issue, and it's I guess you know, it's
it's kind of the first few sessions kind of helped
me realize that this isn't a situation that I need
to be in. There's far more important things that I
need to focus on right now. And and that was

(01:42:02):
that was my mental health. Yeah, like because yeah, but
even for all that, you know, I was getting into
trouble and drink driving and you know, got called over
by the cops and lost my license. And you know,
I think at the beginning, when I was doing all

(01:42:23):
this reckless behavior, you kind of you're in your own
head dealing with all these things in the background, and
you kind of think why, you know, why is all
this stuff happening to me? But it's it's You're just you.

Speaker 5 (01:42:38):
Yeah, you just kind of.

Speaker 16 (01:42:42):
Break down and you just need a therapist to kind of,
you know, translate the foreign language that you're trying to
trying to make up in your head to try and
to try and function normally.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
So when you went first went to the therapist, Alex,
you know, did you know straight away that this was
first someone that could could help you? Did? Was that
with you lucky enough to have someone that gelled with
you right off the bat?

Speaker 6 (01:43:13):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:43:15):
So I would say, I mean, when yeah, when I
first started seeing my therapist, I wasn't allowing myself to
absorb the information that she was giving me.

Speaker 17 (01:43:29):
Yeah, I think a big thing is you.

Speaker 16 (01:43:34):
You really you have to be ready for therapy. You know,
It's my therapist says. You know, it's like running, you know,
the first you know, your first run sucks and and
it's it's quite tough, but over time it gets better,
and it's essentially therapy's gym, you know, the gym for

(01:43:56):
the brain, you know, especially.

Speaker 7 (01:44:01):
You know, my core, my.

Speaker 16 (01:44:05):
Kind of baseline of therapy was you know, childhood trauma,
and you know, growing up through my twenties, I was
doing you know, getting into drugs and drinking quite a lot,
and I couldn't hold down a stable job because of
my behavior, and I was just acting out all the time,

(01:44:26):
and you know, just asking myself like why, like you
just kind of really yeah, I don't know if I'm
explaining that right now?

Speaker 12 (01:44:34):
You are.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
Did you have to spend a bit of time finding
the right therapist, Alex, Did you go through a few
counselors before you found someone that you could connect with?

Speaker 16 (01:44:47):
I think that's a really for anyone else. For me personally, No,
I found this therapist who was recommended by a friend
and she was fantastic I think for the first year
or the first two years, because I wasn't allowing myself
to kind of absorb the inform and put the tools

(01:45:10):
that were given to me in place, like you know,
simple things like like what you're talking about before, like breathing,
you know, stopping yourself, taking a step back, you know,
feel your feet on the ground, take a breath, and
then address you know, a triggering situation or not not

(01:45:30):
a triggering situation, but you know a slightly a mild inconvenience,
you know, I would say, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Yeah, I mean James was saying the same thing that
that that breathing thing really helped him. So so Alex,
just to move forward. So you've been going to therapy
for eight years now, and is that with the same
therapist that you've been or so you've still Does that
mean that therapy is something that's going to be with
you for your whole life? Are you saying as something
that you will be for one of a better world

(01:45:59):
word fixed and you can move on with your life.
Or is therapy something you just think you're gonna you're
going to keep keep going to for for forever.

Speaker 16 (01:46:08):
For me, personally, yes, because you know, I suffered a
quite huge event as a child. You know, something happened
to me beyond my control. You know that I wasn't
able to say, you know, I'd stop. I wasn't able
to remove myself from the situation. So for me personally,

(01:46:31):
I feel there are long term effects and effect that
have affected my life for the rest of my life
or or until I see you know, I see myself.
I don't know, that's a really hard question. I think
it's you know, it's down to the individual and what
really brings you to therapy.

Speaker 7 (01:46:52):
But for some people, you know, I mean I speak
for myself, you know I need it and and you.

Speaker 16 (01:47:01):
Know it's that they could be sessioned from you know,
once a week to every fortnight or months and months,
And for me that's an indication on how and where
how my mental health is going and where where I'm
where I'm at with with you know, with with my therapist.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
But you're better now than you were, but you were
You're better now, would you say, Alex, than you were
eight years ago?

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
But I mean, but as there are plateauing, do you
think you can just get better and better or is
there sort of a plateauing now where you've got better,
but you're dependent on the therapist to stay above water,
you know, for want of a better metaphor.

Speaker 16 (01:47:43):
There is Yeah, I mean, there is such thing as
a plateau with your therapist. And then you you there's
other types of therapy that you can that you can
go into. I mean, I could list a couple that
probably I shouldn't say on the raqio, but but you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
Know, the.

Speaker 16 (01:48:02):
Even the science behind all that sort of those sort
of types of therapy is going into that and and
you know we've spoken about that moving on from my
current therapist and going to a different form of therapy.
But yeah, I think you know, for anyone out there

(01:48:24):
wanting to get into therapy, like any therapist is better
than no therapist. And you know, reaching a point in
your life where you know a simple phone call could
could could save your life. I mean, I there are
times that I kind of went down a hole, but

(01:48:48):
I was. I mean, I'm fortunate enough with my therapist.
I could send her a text, she could either reply.
She generally replies, you know, back with a text straight away,
and then if it's really serious, it's it's definitely a call.
But yeah, yeah, you know, just you've just got to

(01:49:12):
do it, you know, in some sort of situations, you know,
even if it's just once.

Speaker 4 (01:49:18):
Yeah, Alex, really appreciate your honesty. I mean you've been
great to chat to and thank you very much. I'm
glad it's going well and all the best to your
going forward. But certainly sounds like it's making a world
of difference for you, my friend. Oh, one hundred and eighty,
teen eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
It is a quarter to four.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
They'd be afternoon. It's twelve to four. We've been talking
about regular therapy even during the good times.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Yeah, and we've heard from people that it's helped, like
James and Alex. But this Texas says, hey, guys, therapy
is for weak minded people. I could write a book
for all the torment and heartache I've had in my life.
Made me stronger, move on, get over it. You only
live once. Cheers. So that's the opposing opinion. Bruce Wall
on the show, you're a qualified counselor. I understand, Yes,
that's correct, right, And so obviously you support therapy as

(01:50:12):
as a way to deal with people's problems, or else
you wouldn't be doing it.

Speaker 7 (01:50:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:50:16):
Absolutely, And actually after your last two calls, I don't
know if I can say much more.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
Right, do you think that do you think it's something
that should go on indefinitely? And supplementary question, do you
think it's something that people should get in the good
times and bad?

Speaker 11 (01:50:35):
I'm not sure whether it should go on indefinitely. I mean,
and it's it's individual as well. I mean, like Alex
was saying he had an early child experience that that
damaged him. So you know, I think in his case,
you know, like you said, he's been in people something

(01:50:57):
like eight years, So that's no well deserved.

Speaker 5 (01:51:02):
I guess.

Speaker 11 (01:51:05):
Often I work majority ninety nine percent workers with men,
and often we're not. It's not part of our DNA
to talk about our stuff as men m So it's
not until we have a crisis of some sort that

(01:51:25):
we kind of reach out and start asking questions, you know,
what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
Yeah, I mean, you would you admit, Bruce that clearly
you're a counselor. But for some people like that tech said,
and I think Mett you're in the similar vein that
for some people they probably are better at tackling what
is going on, hit on themselves and figuring that out.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
For some people that's a better strategy.

Speaker 11 (01:51:51):
Not quite sure what it meant then, So are they
better off sorting it out themselves, working through it themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Well, I guess the thing is there's there's there's there's
talk of say CBT, for example, which is facing you know,
and there's a there's a thought that therapy could just
be talking about the stuff over over and over and
over again, and you end in this sort of cycle
of just talking about it, you know, you know what

(01:52:16):
I mean as opposed to it to facing facing that
the thing that's that's a problem for you and building
up your resilience in that way.

Speaker 11 (01:52:26):
Bruce, Yeah, so you know, just you know, with CBT,
So CBT is about restructuring the dysfunctional thoughts, so bringing
in a balanced alternative thought to that stronger than the
negative dominant thought that has been in place. A very

(01:52:49):
simple kind of explanation.

Speaker 7 (01:52:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
Yeah, So if you're scared of spiders, if you spend
some time with spiders, you'll be less scared of spiders.
Kind of the very basic way of looking at it.

Speaker 11 (01:53:00):
Yeah, yeah, all looking at pictures of spiders.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But imagine that's something in
your arsenal. Is it is it? As a therapist, You're
you're listening to someone and then you're going, well, this
might help this person, this might help this person. I've
got some tools for you, you.

Speaker 11 (01:53:13):
Know, well, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 18 (01:53:15):
It's not you know, like.

Speaker 11 (01:53:18):
Count counters people and their individuals. So you know, whatever
they find that works for them with their clients, is
that that's what I use. So I use a raft
of different modalities and theories. I just wanted to pick
up on what you're You're talking about the breathing, which
is really good. And what the breathing does is resets

(01:53:41):
the polyvagual nervous system in the brain. So so that
the same thing with cold showers, cold water will reset
reset your your polyvagal nervous system. So that's the part
that gets activated and causes anxiety. Often will cause anxiety, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
It sort of stops the catastrophizing and resets where you
are so you can deal with it in a more
national fashion.

Speaker 11 (01:54:09):
Yeah, So that's sort of the so, so I work
with a lot of men, all men that have experienced
sexual violence in their life, and so we'll have a
mental injury of BDSD post traumatic stress disorder, which is
an anxiety disorder.

Speaker 4 (01:54:31):
Yeah, Bruce, Bruce, I'm sorry we've run out of time,
but really great to chat with you, and I think
you explained that well.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
Thank you very much. We've got to play some messages
and we'll get to a few more texts. It is
seven to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
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Talks B, News Talks B. It is five to four
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Speaker 5 (01:54:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
I don't know if we got to the bottom of
therapy or not, but we did all agree. Everyone agreed
that when you get stressed out, or you're worrying about
something catast and getting angry whatever, getting.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
Triggered, Yep, doing the breathing yeah helps a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
Doing the big breaths in and the big breaths out.
Do three of those and it will certainly help you out. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:55:19):
Game changer.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
Absolutely, everyone agrees with that. Yeah, Seneca, the ancient romans,
the neuroscientists, the therapists and my mum all agree on
that one.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
And your mum's a wise woman. Absolutely well, she was, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
She passed away a few years again still yeah sure
she still ye oh good good good. Note, Hey, thanks
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(01:55:53):
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But right now, Tyler, why am I playing this song?
Good buddy calling the gang?

Speaker 3 (01:56:02):
Is this emergency?

Speaker 7 (01:56:02):
Please?

Speaker 3 (01:56:03):
Great tune?

Speaker 4 (01:56:04):
And as Steve and Joyce said, maybe we're getting a
little bit boy who cried Wolf with these agency alert
once again?

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
You get it right because I tell you an advice?

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
Yeah, thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
Until tomorrow I'll give them a taste of Kiwi from us.

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