February 25, 2025 • 17 mins
Mark Vette is a world-renowned animal behaviourist and dog trainer who has been working with animals for over 40 years.
He's a trained animal psychologist and created the Dogzen online training programme.
He joins Matt Heath and Tyler Adams once a month in their Ask The Expert series.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk zed B.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Mark Viddy is a world renowned animal behaviorist and dog trainer.
He's been working with animals for over forty years. You
may have seen him on the Telly or read one
of his books. He's a trained animal psychologist and created
the Dogs In Online training program, and he joins us
for the first time as part of our USK the
Expert segments Good.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Afternoon, maybe good there?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Are you very good? Thank you? So one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. If you've got a question about your
pet's behavior, give us a call right now. Boy boy,
the text machine and the phone lines are hiding up,
so should we get straight into it.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Anna.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Have you got a question for Mark?
Speaker 6 (00:55):
I do have a question. I'm a new Hi. Hi,
I'm a new catch. Oh No, I had them when
I was a kid, and then I was allergic and
then I grew out of that. So we figured it
out and got a cat, and I'm kind of ships now.
We're loving it. But she she wakes us up every
night for thirty and she's very persistent. The needing the yawing,
the sitting on us, licking my ears, and we've try
(01:17):
to lock her out and she's torn up the carpets terrible.
So what do I do.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, it's good timing. I'm just literally on the last
two days of writing my cat book Cats in so
all the answers will be in there. But anyway, you're
lucky I can answer it personally. I mean, basically cats.
It's important to understand that cats, of course crepuscular and
men's kind of They hunt at dusk and dawn and
(01:46):
through the night, so of course the activity cycles are
different from ours, and so we've got to take into
account the fact that they're quite active through this time. Now,
the simple answer is obviously closing it out. But as
you said, ripping up the cap and those kinds of things.
Question what I prefer to do with a cat and
(02:08):
those situations, as I mean, its best simply to lock
it out or for a period otherwise ideally do not
reward the behavior. But at the end to day the
cattle keep persisting. More than likely I like to have
a cattio, which which means you know, just getting even
if it's just a little area just outside one of
the windows so they can actually move about through and
(02:30):
get some nighttime exposure, even though you might not want
to let them outside at night on a veranda.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
So and it's not enclosed, but she can't get off
the runda, so maybe we'll just have to leave that
open all the time.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, well that's right. I think that's it's important for
her to be able to get access to some night stimulation.
So even just watching and smelling and looking, and the
cats are highly centaur the smells and pheromones and watching
night activity. They're probably not out at night with its
when they fight and get the disease run over, you know,
(03:07):
Herbert dogs.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
We normally lock her in a n Yeah, okay, well
even in winter, we'll have to just leave the but
the windows on the she can't get off the dick,
so she's not going to get enough by tour. Yeah,
we just wanted there was something we could do to
train out of it.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well, the other thing is makes you diversify her opportunity
to play as much as possible, pray play, you know,
just playing pray games. If you're a prey item or toys,
pray item is a really good output for a cat.
So they want to get them to express some of
that what would otherwise be hunting behavior at night and
relieve some of that frustration.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Ask one more question, you know, you go for.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Okay, why does she carry like she's got this little
pink blanket, she carries it around.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And Charlie Charlie, Yeah, I mean certain females it can
be can start when they have a false pregnancy and
so it's like a bit like one of the young
and so that that's the common cause for it, particularly
in females. But X femals can do that too, So
they're kind of carrying the young round or cashing objects
(04:24):
into their nests. There's normally the reason they do that.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Wow, And it's often when we're away that she does that.
She's dragging around all the time we get home, and
that's the place.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, when you're not there, of course, that she's not
being fulfilled with that social stimulation she used to Yep.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Well, thank you fantastic.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Think if you call Anna it sounds like Charlie's a
bit of a challenging animal. But that makes total sense
that they're what you're saying. Of course, cats don't keep
the same oles as us.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
So we're like, I.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Don't know why, I've never thought about this, but you're
getting annoyed at them, but they're like, what are you
guys doing lying unconsciousness?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Come on?
Speaker 7 (05:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Okay, So your questions for Mark VIDI one hundred and
eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Text question here for your Mark. Hi there, I have
a ball mast of cross lab eighteen months old and
I am wondering what kind of dog would you recommend
to keep him company? We don't want another big dog
and he is fixed. We are just for a feeling
sorry for him looking lonely a lot of the time.
Sarah from PARMI, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Mean you normally do want a dog of kind of
similar size. You know, the ball massive lab is a big,
pretty big breed, and you probably don't want to get
a toy. You know, their play levels are quite different
in the way they play are quite different. So medium
sized breed because it's got lab and ball masses. They're
both pretty laid back breeds, so it should get on
(05:44):
with just about any breed. So it really more particularly
comes down the webit to size in relation to the
dog's activity levels, So keeping it about a medium sized
dog at the minimum. I wouldn't go down to a
toy very easily, particularly if it's still a playful dog.
And of course for them to be able to play
at a similar level, it's nice to have similar kinds
(06:06):
of play. Different breeds have different plays type in ways
of interacting believable, So so that's you're trying to hit
them as close as possible, so they enjoy playing together.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Very good.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
You've got a question for Mark.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
Yes, can I speak a little Espaniel to ask you?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I give given English for me.
Speaker 8 (06:29):
Okay, Well you know what the yama is? Lama, Yama?
I think twice here, Lama, yeah, yama. Is it legal
to have one in your backyard? I've seen them on
my heir key and I know they're over on the
north Shore. But is there a law?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Good question, a US question, but good question the first person.
If it's in a in a rural area, no problem,
you know, and that can be a family in the
rural area perhaps earlier. But if you're in an urban
situation then you'll need a lot license. But it's probably
important to think about one important thing. Lama's are a
(07:13):
social animal. They need to be in the social group,
so need.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
How much space. Have you got, Helga.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
I've got a townhouse, a new one in Fans.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Place, right, you can't get too many lambers in the
I don't like the option.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
Townhouse, No town side. We've got a pick up high
used to be where.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
The race sources are the glass Oh yeah, oh yeah,
you can always check out what the city Canceled'll tell.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You what, Mark, what's the minimum.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Of the special license if you've got the needs that
need to be met by that species in terms of
it's your main care.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
What are the minimum amount of lamas that you should have? Mark?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Well, you'd probably want three minimum, but.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
And the.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Time, and thank you for your call, Helga.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Very good.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Don't you've got a dash and poppy puppy? Poppy puppy
do you want to talk to Mark about?
Speaker 9 (08:14):
Thank you? Mark?
Speaker 10 (08:15):
Great? Have you on the show. We've got a proxibly
six months old that's unpuppy. A female, very hard toilet train.
We have a butch oven we fager outside regularly. She
gets a treat when when the when the job's done.
(08:36):
We've had the match down in the house, but she'll
still go pretty much anywhere at times.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, so what I normally do. And you know, I mean,
we've got a code for a puppy school dogs in
fifty if you want to jump on and and for
at least a month or two. And I explained to
you in detail what I consider and recommend is the
best house training approach and basically just put it simply,
(09:05):
it requires an area with a create inside because I
like to create train my puppies the surface inside that
pen I tend to use plastic down an astro too,
but you can use other things because what they're going
to learn is based on the substrate under their feet
where they toilet. That's what they're going to want to
toilet on into the future, So choose something. Of course,
(09:26):
it's not going to be found in the house, and
that's in the pen erea. If that pen ere you
can have a doged or out, that's perfect. And we'd
rather that goes out pretty close to a grassy area
or a garden. And because of course we really want
to can't toilet out they're not inside. But what you're
doing is you're generalizing the concept of the crate or
their den slowly into the house. If you can imagine
(09:48):
that they don't have a concept of the house of course.
So once you start, when you create an your pen
which they can toilet and then outside to the only
other option. Then during that time, whenever they come into
the house and they're under super they should be under supervision,
certainly after half an hour of toileting, certainly within an
hour of toileting after that point. I normally clip station
(10:10):
train them, which is a technique I teach to teach
them to line a bed with a little clip station
and they won't toilet on that either. So you can
leave them there, you leave them in a crate, you
can have them on what I call them a bullock
or cord where I run a line off my waist
when I'm working and training them, and otherwise don't leave
them on supervised for that for a few months because
(10:30):
obviously they don't know what to toilet on at that point.
But that's the design. If you jump on the course,
there's got several hundred families on the course, so everyone's
working at this stuff, and so you're working with them.
There's a closed Facebook page, so you get to see
and everyone's talking about how they're going and their issues,
and I'm there to advise, but it really gives you
(10:52):
the most simple way to do it, considering the way
dogs learn to house train.
Speaker 10 (11:02):
Thanks very much about that's rot advice appreciate.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
On the score.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Thanks have you called don So? Look we've got we've
got Ginny here, you've got a demented cat that's chewing
and stealing. Mark. Here's Ginny.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Hi, Hi, Matt. My cat's three years old and she's
a wee sweetly she really is well, but then she's
got a different side to her, like she'll jump up
and jump up on the in the bench in the kitchen,
which is not supposed to be there, and she will
(11:40):
look at me and then she'll slide everything off the
bench onto the floor and it tries to chew the
cord on the computer. She will completely annihilate toilet paper.
She steals things like my top plate, my glasses. You'll
(12:00):
take them outside on top of the tool sheet.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
What's her name?
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Well, it's a bit of a story.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Quickly.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
I've got to cat cakes and I named them mulo
and chairs. And my husband said, you're not naming this
cat after wine, so it's named that.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Bourbon Short's the problems to be played with, Yeah, pots
lobbing are.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
To is to enrich their environment. And normally what I
like to do. One of the things is cats like
high spots, so I always like to make sure in
the house I've got some cat runways that are above
things like the bench and those kind of places. So
and I want on xous way up to that, and
(12:54):
I want and the idea would also like an exis
into a bit of a cadio. It always has another
diverse kind of environment where you can plant have riching
toys and those kind of things. They really need to
have enrichment cats and so enriching them with the regular
play sessions and so that's.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
Toys.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Yeah, I've got toys.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, I was pretty strongly on making sure I've got
vertical high walkways through the house where they can move
about instead of using the bench as as the area
where they want to go and play on. Certainly, I
sometimes I'll put something like tenfall or plastic up on
the bench to dissuade them. There is little things like
(13:44):
little motion controlled air admitters that just have a little
bit of a kind of them when they jump onto
those kind of spaces. So there's those kind of things
you can use as well. But really enriching, adding diversity
of the environment, adding play and stimulation opportunities, and of
course we want to displace them off any type of
(14:06):
bench tops and things like that, make sure they're not
fed on there or get any access to those spaces
and preference. But if you try that, Richings the real
trick in this situation.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Well, thank you. If you called Ginny and look, we've
got thousands of texts coming through and the lines a full.
We're not going to able to get to one hundredth
of the callers and texters.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Mark Vedas are Viti is our guest and animal behaviorists
tell us, how are you?
Speaker 7 (14:32):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (14:32):
You going? Guys?
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Good?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You're on with Mark?
Speaker 9 (14:36):
Hey? Hey, you going? Mark?
Speaker 10 (14:37):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (14:37):
I've got a four and a half year old male
rot wheeler and you know, predominantly eighty percent of the time.
You know, he's really good. He's sort of been socialized.
Took him to the dog parks when he was young,
no problems, but sort of like now when we walk
in him, we walk them off the lead up to
the rail park and if we come across the other dogs,
(14:59):
he's all good. But you know, like some other you know,
dog going and sort of freak out, so then we
will go to grab him and put them on the lead.
But as soon as you're sort of such as colo
or put him on the lead, he sort of turns
into Kujo and gets real air grown. And the same
with when he's in a vehicle. Yeah, towards you, no,
not towards the other doorwards the other dogs. Yeah, like
(15:22):
he can be happy. He just wants to play. But
as soon as you're sort of like, oh, we're out
of here and try and grab them, he gets a
row towards the other.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Dog, right, Okay, And is he this desect or not?
Speaker 9 (15:35):
He is probably about six months ago we desect them,
and I think that has made it worse.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, yeah, it shouldn't. But but interestinct when you leave
it that to that lake. You know, he's fully mature
by two and a half, you know, so so he's
he's got all his masculine secondary sexual characteristics, which is
part of that his dominance, particularly the rotis of course
they're pretty dominant. But sounds like you're don't putt you
a job with the socialization generally, So that's good news.
(16:04):
What I'll be doing what I teach in it, and
you can if you want to jump on dogs in
dot com and go dogs in fifty and just jump
on for a month fifty percent of the rate. Then
have a look at the meet and greet technique that
I teach, and that meet and greet technique is using
clicker training and lead and the color and you're working them.
(16:25):
And we start with working with good dogs in controlled situations,
and that's the trick. We need to teach him or
reteach him how to behave in that context where you engage,
you know, where you get involved. And of course part
of that getting involved is normally because he's starting to
potentially read but possibly so what we're wanting to happen
in that situation is want to keep them a learning state.
(16:47):
That's all. We use a clicker. We want to click
more of water and teach him how to both withdraw
and we ask him to come when you call him
and leave it, you know, leave the situation alone and
not redirect, which is what he's doing in that situation. Wow,
it's a pretty simple technique, but it's an important one
particular for Rodiana to learn because when they fire off
(17:08):
and then the crack of the dog thanks and going
wrong real quick.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
So we'll have that help Dallas and Mark, Hey, thank
you so much.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
We've just that.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You wouldn't believe how many texts and phone calls we've
come through. So we'll have to get you on it again.
And thank you. You're a great New Zealander, so I
appreciate spending some time with you all good man and.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Straight on to the public, the schools and little sort
of man at the other end.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Absolutely, Mark will catch up again in a few weeks,
thank you very much. You can catch Mark Vidi at
dogs in dot com. That is us for today.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah, an apologies to everyone who didn't get through boy
over where. There was a lot of communication coming through
on our machines.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Mark Viddy is a world renowned animal behaviorist and dog trainer.
He's been working with animals for over forty years. You
may have seen him on the Telly or read one
of his books. He's a trained animal psychologist and created
the Dogs In Online training program, and he joins us
for the first time as part of our USK the
Expert segments Good.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Afternoon, maybe good there?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Are you very good? Thank you? So one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. If you've got a question about your
pet's behavior, give us a call right now. Boy boy,
the text machine and the phone lines are hiding up,
so should we get straight into it.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Anna.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Have you got a question for Mark?
Speaker 6 (00:55):
I do have a question. I'm a new Hi. Hi,
I'm a new catch. Oh No, I had them when
I was a kid, and then I was allergic and
then I grew out of that. So we figured it
out and got a cat, and I'm kind of ships now.
We're loving it. But she she wakes us up every
night for thirty and she's very persistent. The needing the yawing,
the sitting on us, licking my ears, and we've try
(01:17):
to lock her out and she's torn up the carpets terrible.
So what do I do.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, it's good timing. I'm just literally on the last
two days of writing my cat book Cats in so
all the answers will be in there. But anyway, you're
lucky I can answer it personally. I mean, basically cats.
It's important to understand that cats, of course crepuscular and
men's kind of They hunt at dusk and dawn and
(01:46):
through the night, so of course the activity cycles are
different from ours, and so we've got to take into
account the fact that they're quite active through this time. Now,
the simple answer is obviously closing it out. But as
you said, ripping up the cap and those kinds of things.
Question what I prefer to do with a cat and
(02:08):
those situations, as I mean, its best simply to lock
it out or for a period otherwise ideally do not
reward the behavior. But at the end to day the
cattle keep persisting. More than likely I like to have
a cattio, which which means you know, just getting even
if it's just a little area just outside one of
the windows so they can actually move about through and
(02:30):
get some nighttime exposure, even though you might not want
to let them outside at night on a veranda.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
So and it's not enclosed, but she can't get off
the runda, so maybe we'll just have to leave that
open all the time.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, well that's right. I think that's it's important for
her to be able to get access to some night stimulation.
So even just watching and smelling and looking, and the
cats are highly centaur the smells and pheromones and watching
night activity. They're probably not out at night with its
when they fight and get the disease run over, you know,
(03:07):
Herbert dogs.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
We normally lock her in a n Yeah, okay, well
even in winter, we'll have to just leave the but
the windows on the she can't get off the dick,
so she's not going to get enough by tour. Yeah,
we just wanted there was something we could do to
train out of it.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well, the other thing is makes you diversify her opportunity
to play as much as possible, pray play, you know,
just playing pray games. If you're a prey item or toys,
pray item is a really good output for a cat.
So they want to get them to express some of
that what would otherwise be hunting behavior at night and
relieve some of that frustration.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Ask one more question, you know, you go for.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Okay, why does she carry like she's got this little
pink blanket, she carries it around.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And Charlie Charlie, Yeah, I mean certain females it can
be can start when they have a false pregnancy and
so it's like a bit like one of the young
and so that that's the common cause for it, particularly
in females. But X femals can do that too, So
they're kind of carrying the young round or cashing objects
(04:24):
into their nests. There's normally the reason they do that.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Wow, And it's often when we're away that she does that.
She's dragging around all the time we get home, and
that's the place.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, when you're not there, of course, that she's not
being fulfilled with that social stimulation she used to Yep.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Well, thank you fantastic.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Think if you call Anna it sounds like Charlie's a
bit of a challenging animal. But that makes total sense
that they're what you're saying. Of course, cats don't keep
the same oles as us.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
So we're like, I.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Don't know why, I've never thought about this, but you're
getting annoyed at them, but they're like, what are you
guys doing lying unconsciousness?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Come on?
Speaker 7 (05:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Okay, So your questions for Mark VIDI one hundred and
eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Text question here for your Mark. Hi there, I have
a ball mast of cross lab eighteen months old and
I am wondering what kind of dog would you recommend
to keep him company? We don't want another big dog
and he is fixed. We are just for a feeling
sorry for him looking lonely a lot of the time.
Sarah from PARMI, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Mean you normally do want a dog of kind of
similar size. You know, the ball massive lab is a big,
pretty big breed, and you probably don't want to get
a toy. You know, their play levels are quite different
in the way they play are quite different. So medium
sized breed because it's got lab and ball masses. They're
both pretty laid back breeds, so it should get on
(05:44):
with just about any breed. So it really more particularly
comes down the webit to size in relation to the
dog's activity levels, So keeping it about a medium sized
dog at the minimum. I wouldn't go down to a
toy very easily, particularly if it's still a playful dog.
And of course for them to be able to play
at a similar level, it's nice to have similar kinds
(06:06):
of play. Different breeds have different plays type in ways
of interacting believable, So so that's you're trying to hit
them as close as possible, so they enjoy playing together.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Very good.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
You've got a question for Mark.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
Yes, can I speak a little Espaniel to ask you?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I give given English for me.
Speaker 8 (06:29):
Okay, Well you know what the yama is? Lama, Yama?
I think twice here, Lama, yeah, yama. Is it legal
to have one in your backyard? I've seen them on
my heir key and I know they're over on the
north Shore. But is there a law?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Good question, a US question, but good question the first person.
If it's in a in a rural area, no problem,
you know, and that can be a family in the
rural area perhaps earlier. But if you're in an urban
situation then you'll need a lot license. But it's probably
important to think about one important thing. Lama's are a
(07:13):
social animal. They need to be in the social group,
so need.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
How much space. Have you got, Helga.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
I've got a townhouse, a new one in Fans.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Place, right, you can't get too many lambers in the
I don't like the option.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
Townhouse, No town side. We've got a pick up high
used to be where.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
The race sources are the glass Oh yeah, oh yeah,
you can always check out what the city Canceled'll tell.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You what, Mark, what's the minimum.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Of the special license if you've got the needs that
need to be met by that species in terms of
it's your main care.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
What are the minimum amount of lamas that you should have? Mark?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Well, you'd probably want three minimum, but.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
And the.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Time, and thank you for your call, Helga.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Very good.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Don't you've got a dash and poppy puppy? Poppy puppy
do you want to talk to Mark about?
Speaker 9 (08:14):
Thank you? Mark?
Speaker 10 (08:15):
Great? Have you on the show. We've got a proxibly
six months old that's unpuppy. A female, very hard toilet train.
We have a butch oven we fager outside regularly. She
gets a treat when when the when the job's done.
(08:36):
We've had the match down in the house, but she'll
still go pretty much anywhere at times.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, so what I normally do. And you know, I mean,
we've got a code for a puppy school dogs in
fifty if you want to jump on and and for
at least a month or two. And I explained to
you in detail what I consider and recommend is the
best house training approach and basically just put it simply,
(09:05):
it requires an area with a create inside because I
like to create train my puppies the surface inside that
pen I tend to use plastic down an astro too,
but you can use other things because what they're going
to learn is based on the substrate under their feet
where they toilet. That's what they're going to want to
toilet on into the future, So choose something. Of course,
(09:26):
it's not going to be found in the house, and
that's in the pen erea. If that pen ere you
can have a doged or out, that's perfect. And we'd
rather that goes out pretty close to a grassy area
or a garden. And because of course we really want
to can't toilet out they're not inside. But what you're
doing is you're generalizing the concept of the crate or
their den slowly into the house. If you can imagine
(09:48):
that they don't have a concept of the house of course.
So once you start, when you create an your pen
which they can toilet and then outside to the only
other option. Then during that time, whenever they come into
the house and they're under super they should be under supervision,
certainly after half an hour of toileting, certainly within an
hour of toileting after that point. I normally clip station
(10:10):
train them, which is a technique I teach to teach
them to line a bed with a little clip station
and they won't toilet on that either. So you can
leave them there, you leave them in a crate, you
can have them on what I call them a bullock
or cord where I run a line off my waist
when I'm working and training them, and otherwise don't leave
them on supervised for that for a few months because
(10:30):
obviously they don't know what to toilet on at that point.
But that's the design. If you jump on the course,
there's got several hundred families on the course, so everyone's
working at this stuff, and so you're working with them.
There's a closed Facebook page, so you get to see
and everyone's talking about how they're going and their issues,
and I'm there to advise, but it really gives you
(10:52):
the most simple way to do it, considering the way
dogs learn to house train.
Speaker 10 (11:02):
Thanks very much about that's rot advice appreciate.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
On the score.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Thanks have you called don So? Look we've got we've
got Ginny here, you've got a demented cat that's chewing
and stealing. Mark. Here's Ginny.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Hi, Hi, Matt. My cat's three years old and she's
a wee sweetly she really is well, but then she's
got a different side to her, like she'll jump up
and jump up on the in the bench in the kitchen,
which is not supposed to be there, and she will
(11:40):
look at me and then she'll slide everything off the
bench onto the floor and it tries to chew the
cord on the computer. She will completely annihilate toilet paper.
She steals things like my top plate, my glasses. You'll
(12:00):
take them outside on top of the tool sheet.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
What's her name?
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Well, it's a bit of a story.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Quickly.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
I've got to cat cakes and I named them mulo
and chairs. And my husband said, you're not naming this
cat after wine, so it's named that.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Bourbon Short's the problems to be played with, Yeah, pots
lobbing are.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
To is to enrich their environment. And normally what I
like to do. One of the things is cats like
high spots, so I always like to make sure in
the house I've got some cat runways that are above
things like the bench and those kind of places. So
and I want on xous way up to that, and
(12:54):
I want and the idea would also like an exis
into a bit of a cadio. It always has another
diverse kind of environment where you can plant have riching
toys and those kind of things. They really need to
have enrichment cats and so enriching them with the regular
play sessions and so that's.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
Toys.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Yeah, I've got toys.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, I was pretty strongly on making sure I've got
vertical high walkways through the house where they can move
about instead of using the bench as as the area
where they want to go and play on. Certainly, I
sometimes I'll put something like tenfall or plastic up on
the bench to dissuade them. There is little things like
(13:44):
little motion controlled air admitters that just have a little
bit of a kind of them when they jump onto
those kind of spaces. So there's those kind of things
you can use as well. But really enriching, adding diversity
of the environment, adding play and stimulation opportunities, and of
course we want to displace them off any type of
(14:06):
bench tops and things like that, make sure they're not
fed on there or get any access to those spaces
and preference. But if you try that, Richings the real
trick in this situation.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Well, thank you. If you called Ginny and look, we've
got thousands of texts coming through and the lines a full.
We're not going to able to get to one hundredth
of the callers and texters.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Mark Vedas are Viti is our guest and animal behaviorists
tell us, how are you?
Speaker 7 (14:32):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (14:32):
You going? Guys?
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Good?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You're on with Mark?
Speaker 9 (14:36):
Hey? Hey, you going? Mark?
Speaker 10 (14:37):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (14:37):
I've got a four and a half year old male
rot wheeler and you know, predominantly eighty percent of the time.
You know, he's really good. He's sort of been socialized.
Took him to the dog parks when he was young,
no problems, but sort of like now when we walk
in him, we walk them off the lead up to
the rail park and if we come across the other dogs,
(14:59):
he's all good. But you know, like some other you know,
dog going and sort of freak out, so then we
will go to grab him and put them on the lead.
But as soon as you're sort of such as colo
or put him on the lead, he sort of turns
into Kujo and gets real air grown. And the same
with when he's in a vehicle. Yeah, towards you, no,
not towards the other doorwards the other dogs. Yeah, like
(15:22):
he can be happy. He just wants to play. But
as soon as you're sort of like, oh, we're out
of here and try and grab them, he gets a
row towards the other.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Dog, right, Okay, And is he this desect or not?
Speaker 9 (15:35):
He is probably about six months ago we desect them,
and I think that has made it worse.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, yeah, it shouldn't. But but interestinct when you leave
it that to that lake. You know, he's fully mature
by two and a half, you know, so so he's
he's got all his masculine secondary sexual characteristics, which is
part of that his dominance, particularly the rotis of course
they're pretty dominant. But sounds like you're don't putt you
a job with the socialization generally, So that's good news.
(16:04):
What I'll be doing what I teach in it, and
you can if you want to jump on dogs in
dot com and go dogs in fifty and just jump
on for a month fifty percent of the rate. Then
have a look at the meet and greet technique that
I teach, and that meet and greet technique is using
clicker training and lead and the color and you're working them.
(16:25):
And we start with working with good dogs in controlled situations,
and that's the trick. We need to teach him or
reteach him how to behave in that context where you engage,
you know, where you get involved. And of course part
of that getting involved is normally because he's starting to
potentially read but possibly so what we're wanting to happen
in that situation is want to keep them a learning state.
(16:47):
That's all. We use a clicker. We want to click
more of water and teach him how to both withdraw
and we ask him to come when you call him
and leave it, you know, leave the situation alone and
not redirect, which is what he's doing in that situation. Wow,
it's a pretty simple technique, but it's an important one
particular for Rodiana to learn because when they fire off
(17:08):
and then the crack of the dog thanks and going
wrong real quick.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
So we'll have that help Dallas and Mark, Hey, thank
you so much.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
We've just that.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You wouldn't believe how many texts and phone calls we've
come through. So we'll have to get you on it again.
And thank you. You're a great New Zealander, so I
appreciate spending some time with you all good man and.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Straight on to the public, the schools and little sort
of man at the other end.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Absolutely, Mark will catch up again in a few weeks,
thank you very much. You can catch Mark Vidi at
dogs in dot com. That is us for today.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah, an apologies to everyone who didn't get through boy
over where. There was a lot of communication coming through
on our machines.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
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