April 9, 2025 • 13 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from Newstalk zed be follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
As part of our US the Experts series. As we
do every Wednesday, we are joined once again by Mark Vitti.
He is a world renowned animal behaviorist, dog trainer, and
educator who's been working with animals for over forty years.
He's a trained animal psychologist and he has created the
Dogs In Online training program. Mark Vitti joins us once again. Mark,
good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, how bloody good. Let's start off with a simple one.
My chocolate lab eats duck poo when we walk by
the nearby lake. Is that okay, thanks, Liz?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Actually funny enough, But I mean there is a few
infections that birds obviously can transmit now, including some manella.
But yeah, as a general rule, dog with scavengers and
they've got a pretty discussed wrong you digestive system, so
it's probably not a big deal. But if you can
teach the Levett command, then do it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
My friend was working on a show and by a
lake and got terrible salmonella just from duckpoo, So it's
not great for humans. I don't know if he was
eating her.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, that was my next should have been the first
thing right now, if exactly, if you've got a question
for Mark O eight hundred and eighty teen eighty the
lines are fall at the moment, but keep trying and
hopefully you will get through.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Pru.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Have you've got a question for Mark?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Hi, yes, I So we've got a GSP. She's about
two and a half and she just gets really growley,
mainly with men and have unknown times and she she
hasn't she did jump at a guy yesterday, but she's
she's never like bitten any or anything. And I just
(01:59):
my question kind of is normally I'll really browl her
and really really tell her off and remove her from
the situation, like put her outside or something like that.
Is that the best way to deal with it or
is it something else?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah, I mean it's certainly it's something that you you know,
you reprimand when it happens, you know, tell her off.
But really it's it's not something that's going to change
just by doing that. So I teach a meat and
Greek technique with a clicker, and so what I'm doing
is teach teaching nicely command and I teach them a
touch target to someone's hands. So I do that first
(02:33):
of all to myself and I do it to family members.
So I teach her to touch her nose to the
hand of the person, and I click and reward her
for socialized and keep her on lead. I normally have
them on a nullin slip. Just got more control and
I've got my click and reward, because what you've got
to do is reshape that behavior because you know she's
being protective in that situation. She's either resource guarding you
(02:56):
or treating you. You know in a territorial way. She
might do it more at home and around the car.
So click on you click on rewarding pro social behavior
and your firm and saying no and leave it if
she shows any growling behavior. And with the click of
what you do is you're keeping your own learning state,
and so it's the most effective tool to shape that behavior. You.
(03:19):
I've got that online if you need to have a
look at how to do that. But it's important to
make sure you take that care of me. If we've
got a human orient and aggression case, sometimes we'll just
giving me a tingle and doing a virtual console. If
you think there's risks attached, and certainly sometimes we'll use
a muzzle.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah you go, do you go, prough, We've got penny here.
You've got a spitting l packer.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
I've got three l packers. They all come running up
when they want there, but one them he's a boy.
He has always keeps his ears back and he spits
at me.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
He doesn't necessarily the others.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
But I'm sick and part of getting his gold.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
Naughty, naughty, Yeah, it doesn't work well as you know
what our packers and larmers that that is a threat display.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
You know, when they they're spending at you, you know
that's turning you off from there in their language. What
I normally do, and I do the same with horses
and donkeys is you heard me talk about clicker training
with dogs. All I click a training all of my animals,
including our packers and larmers. And and so when I
teach them is I teach them to touch a ball
(04:31):
on a stick, which is you know, touch target. So
the first thing I do with that our packer, keep
him separate, work them independently. So just either put him,
put him on his holder and ti him up or
put him in a small area, and I teach him
touch that target with his nose and I click and
reward him, and I reward him with whatever it is,
(04:52):
sweet feet or whatever he particularly likes. So I have
a little pouch made with that in it, and as
soon as he touched it, I click and then deliver
a high value to reward to him. And once I've
got him on the touch target and he's not looking
to threaten you, you know, first of all, You've then
got him looking to you for attention and for direction.
And from there I can move him around with the
(05:12):
touch target, but most importantly engaging and will stop the
threat display that he's doing. So get touch target, click
of training. That's the trick for that everything, okay.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
And and if that doesn't work, just to suck up
a big logie and spit back.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
On fire.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, thank you very much for afternoon, and we have
Mark Vitti. He is a world renowned animal behavior is
dog trainer and educator. He joins us once again for
us the Experts series. Mark, thanks very much again for
your time. My bit Pen, you're on with Mark.
Speaker 9 (05:49):
Hi Mark, we have a one year old?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Hello, Hi Pen? Do you go for it?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Hi?
Speaker 9 (05:57):
We're got a one year old Stephie who's lovely friendly,
lovely with the cares and us. But the only person
in the house I can walk her is my husband
because she gets ver excited when we come across other
dogs and starts to She greets them heavily friendly, has
a play, and then when it's time to go, she
won't go. She stumes at the league, fits and snarls
(06:19):
and turns into a bit of a sheep devil. So
my husband can handle her, but I'm kind of too
scared to go near snapping jewels. You've got any advice
for us?
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, So when you see she's snapping you, she's not
actually fighting or threatening the other dogs. It's that you
just doesn't want to leave the situation, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (06:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, Yeah, so important with it with it with your
dog at a one year old. They are teenagers at
that stage, and you know teenagehood goes from about five
months to eighteen months, and so they're very much in
a in an interactive phase with other dogs and people.
If they're really social, good only for having them social
to people and dogs. It's the critical issue. And now
(07:03):
it's just really that's really just a control issue. You'll see.
You know, in my schools, I teach them using clicker
training and what it called contrast training, and so those
are just all simple training jobs that that might't be
difficult to solve. So get her on the clicker. I
use a say the clicker is the pass and this
(07:25):
way to retrain a dog because you're reshaping that behavior
because she hasn't learned the right behavior, so's it's quite easy.
They're normally really good on the clicker. The Staffe's they
are a very highly aroused dog. They have a trait
called gaminess in the ball terreas, which means they're kind
of a bit over the top when they are when
they react. But particularly I want you to work on
(07:48):
the joining up technique. If you get into my work
and have a look, you'll see what are called joining up.
She needs to join up really well with you in particular,
and the kids, your husband is not going to have
so much trouble. Get her on the clicker, and you
want a good recall and be able to walk her
off away from other dogs, which you practice in low
arousals situations and then start generalize into a situation in
(08:11):
the park where, of course everything's up a few notches
in terms of hyper.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Arousal pen all the best in Stephy's our beautiful dogs.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
Peter, how are you hey, boys? He much? You got
a nine year old? I got a nine year old
chop lab. She's got plates and pins and both front
legs from when she was one. So the arthritis has
come on a bit. We're used the arthriders treatment, you know,
(08:43):
the injection once a month's treatment. Yes, but it doesn't
seem to be much relieved. When when do you think
it's the right time to make that harsh call.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah, it's a tough call, isn't it at that stage.
I mean, you know, a lab nine, she's still you know,
and theories should have plenty of plenty to go, you know,
in terms of normally their large expenses you know, upround
ten to twelve, you know, and older. So you know,
you're right. The arthritis will be due to the surgical
(09:16):
techniques that have been had to be applied early on.
Now they've got techniques that they can actually remove arthritis
as well through surgical techniques. And the first thing I'd
do though, is I would have an X ray of
the area that the arthritis is then and determine the
extent of the arthritis, and the VET really is the
(09:39):
one that will make that decision. I prefer personally to
actually get a specialist opinion on something like that, but anyway,
your GP can do it. And once I've got a
reading on the extent of it, then i know number
one that's the cause and number two is the VET.
Will you really advise you well, normally on when we're
(10:01):
getting to that place, we might need to consider you
the major, but at this stage I would suggest there's
more to do with your VET to resolve the issue.
And there's some pretty good drugs there now that can
take to the next level too.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, there are some pretty good drugs that can take
to the next level.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yep, yeah, yeah, Matt knows that well.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
It's something yeah, Peter, all the very best to you.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You're on with Mark.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Oh hey, lads love show listen every afternoon. Thank you, hey,
thank you, Matt.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
I've got a little bit.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Two dogs. I introduced a new puppy probably about six
months ago. He's about seven eight months old now. He
loves her, absolutely loves her. Adors there, but he chases
her around pretty much non stop, and he won't live
with tea or two by himself literally all over the
(10:58):
whole time.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Okay, she's too crosses and and the pups hewent months now,
siventeen months. Okay, So he's getting into the late puberty
as he dext and he's just quiteer excited. He's not okay.
I mean he's not bothering her though, is he mounting
(11:30):
her or do not? Really?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
I mean, you know, she's fine with him. It's just
and like as I said, they play really well. It's
just now that he's started hoping his leg, he's actually
literally peeing on your.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Right. Yeah, you know, i'd be thinking about desexing, you know,
particularly with them at that age. He's completed with his
development now, you know his physical development that you leave
him entire four if you want to do that, and
I tweak that back and get rid of those behaviors
and less unless you're breeding from him, and so that
(12:02):
just makes your life a lot easier, and he'd probably
less interested in her and worrying him. I use a
moderation technique that bounding all over and being too rough
and tumble, I've got to use a long line and
a slip color, and I'm just using a little check
as if it's coming from her, not from you. You're
not saying anything. I'm just trying to wind it because
(12:24):
she's obviously not got any defensive reaction to him that's effective.
So she's been in effective, so he's getting worse, and
so you need to What I try and do is
in partner a sense that that she has got a
little bit of I can tell you off cut that out,
you know, And so I'm just using a check, not
saying anything. It's coming from her. And so you can
(12:44):
always check on my schools to learn how to do
that technique. It's called moderation, and I use a moderating
technique take to take you about a couple of weeks
to get it sorted. But as well worth doing when
you've got one that's really bothering the other.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Dog, there's no need for that peeing on you.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's fully behavior is no fun exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
It's not unusual that in time mails will do that,
you know, not regular, but it's a bit of a
it's a bothersome.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Baby that's well, No one wants to be paid on well.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Mark, Mark, You've been great as always, Thank you very
much and if people want to find out more week
can they go Yeah Dogdan.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Dot com or jump onto our Facebook page and uh
Facebook live on Monday nights and yeah, come come visit
us and we'll give you a hand. Virtual schools are available.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
To you too, brilliant. We will catch up again in
about a month's time.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah, look forward to seeing you guys.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
As part of our US the Experts series. As we
do every Wednesday, we are joined once again by Mark Vitti.
He is a world renowned animal behaviorist, dog trainer, and
educator who's been working with animals for over forty years.
He's a trained animal psychologist and he has created the
Dogs In Online training program. Mark Vitti joins us once again. Mark,
good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, how bloody good. Let's start off with a simple one.
My chocolate lab eats duck poo when we walk by
the nearby lake. Is that okay, thanks, Liz?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Actually funny enough, But I mean there is a few
infections that birds obviously can transmit now, including some manella.
But yeah, as a general rule, dog with scavengers and
they've got a pretty discussed wrong you digestive system, so
it's probably not a big deal. But if you can
teach the Levett command, then do it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
My friend was working on a show and by a
lake and got terrible salmonella just from duckpoo, So it's
not great for humans. I don't know if he was
eating her.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, that was my next should have been the first
thing right now, if exactly, if you've got a question
for Mark O eight hundred and eighty teen eighty the
lines are fall at the moment, but keep trying and
hopefully you will get through.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Pru.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Have you've got a question for Mark?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Hi, yes, I So we've got a GSP. She's about
two and a half and she just gets really growley,
mainly with men and have unknown times and she she
hasn't she did jump at a guy yesterday, but she's
she's never like bitten any or anything. And I just
(01:59):
my question kind of is normally I'll really browl her
and really really tell her off and remove her from
the situation, like put her outside or something like that.
Is that the best way to deal with it or
is it something else?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah, I mean it's certainly it's something that you you know,
you reprimand when it happens, you know, tell her off.
But really it's it's not something that's going to change
just by doing that. So I teach a meat and
Greek technique with a clicker, and so what I'm doing
is teach teaching nicely command and I teach them a
touch target to someone's hands. So I do that first
(02:33):
of all to myself and I do it to family members.
So I teach her to touch her nose to the
hand of the person, and I click and reward her
for socialized and keep her on lead. I normally have
them on a nullin slip. Just got more control and
I've got my click and reward, because what you've got
to do is reshape that behavior because you know she's
being protective in that situation. She's either resource guarding you
(02:56):
or treating you. You know in a territorial way. She
might do it more at home and around the car.
So click on you click on rewarding pro social behavior
and your firm and saying no and leave it if
she shows any growling behavior. And with the click of
what you do is you're keeping your own learning state,
and so it's the most effective tool to shape that behavior. You.
(03:19):
I've got that online if you need to have a
look at how to do that. But it's important to
make sure you take that care of me. If we've
got a human orient and aggression case, sometimes we'll just
giving me a tingle and doing a virtual console. If
you think there's risks attached, and certainly sometimes we'll use
a muzzle.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah you go, do you go, prough, We've got penny here.
You've got a spitting l packer.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
I've got three l packers. They all come running up
when they want there, but one them he's a boy.
He has always keeps his ears back and he spits
at me.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
He doesn't necessarily the others.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
But I'm sick and part of getting his gold.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
Naughty, naughty, Yeah, it doesn't work well as you know
what our packers and larmers that that is a threat display.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
You know, when they they're spending at you, you know
that's turning you off from there in their language. What
I normally do, and I do the same with horses
and donkeys is you heard me talk about clicker training
with dogs. All I click a training all of my animals,
including our packers and larmers. And and so when I
teach them is I teach them to touch a ball
(04:31):
on a stick, which is you know, touch target. So
the first thing I do with that our packer, keep
him separate, work them independently. So just either put him,
put him on his holder and ti him up or
put him in a small area, and I teach him
touch that target with his nose and I click and
reward him, and I reward him with whatever it is,
(04:52):
sweet feet or whatever he particularly likes. So I have
a little pouch made with that in it, and as
soon as he touched it, I click and then deliver
a high value to reward to him. And once I've
got him on the touch target and he's not looking
to threaten you, you know, first of all, You've then
got him looking to you for attention and for direction.
And from there I can move him around with the
(05:12):
touch target, but most importantly engaging and will stop the
threat display that he's doing. So get touch target, click
of training. That's the trick for that everything, okay.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
And and if that doesn't work, just to suck up
a big logie and spit back.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
On fire.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, thank you very much for afternoon, and we have
Mark Vitti. He is a world renowned animal behavior is
dog trainer and educator. He joins us once again for
us the Experts series. Mark, thanks very much again for
your time. My bit Pen, you're on with Mark.
Speaker 9 (05:49):
Hi Mark, we have a one year old?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Hello, Hi Pen? Do you go for it?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Hi?
Speaker 9 (05:57):
We're got a one year old Stephie who's lovely friendly,
lovely with the cares and us. But the only person
in the house I can walk her is my husband
because she gets ver excited when we come across other
dogs and starts to She greets them heavily friendly, has
a play, and then when it's time to go, she
won't go. She stumes at the league, fits and snarls
(06:19):
and turns into a bit of a sheep devil. So
my husband can handle her, but I'm kind of too
scared to go near snapping jewels. You've got any advice
for us?
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, So when you see she's snapping you, she's not
actually fighting or threatening the other dogs. It's that you
just doesn't want to leave the situation, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (06:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, Yeah, so important with it with it with your
dog at a one year old. They are teenagers at
that stage, and you know teenagehood goes from about five
months to eighteen months, and so they're very much in
a in an interactive phase with other dogs and people.
If they're really social, good only for having them social
to people and dogs. It's the critical issue. And now
(07:03):
it's just really that's really just a control issue. You'll see.
You know, in my schools, I teach them using clicker
training and what it called contrast training, and so those
are just all simple training jobs that that might't be
difficult to solve. So get her on the clicker. I
use a say the clicker is the pass and this
(07:25):
way to retrain a dog because you're reshaping that behavior
because she hasn't learned the right behavior, so's it's quite easy.
They're normally really good on the clicker. The Staffe's they
are a very highly aroused dog. They have a trait
called gaminess in the ball terreas, which means they're kind
of a bit over the top when they are when
they react. But particularly I want you to work on
(07:48):
the joining up technique. If you get into my work
and have a look, you'll see what are called joining up.
She needs to join up really well with you in particular,
and the kids, your husband is not going to have
so much trouble. Get her on the clicker, and you
want a good recall and be able to walk her
off away from other dogs, which you practice in low
arousals situations and then start generalize into a situation in
(08:11):
the park where, of course everything's up a few notches
in terms of hyper.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Arousal pen all the best in Stephy's our beautiful dogs.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
Peter, how are you hey, boys? He much? You got
a nine year old? I got a nine year old
chop lab. She's got plates and pins and both front
legs from when she was one. So the arthritis has
come on a bit. We're used the arthriders treatment, you know,
(08:43):
the injection once a month's treatment. Yes, but it doesn't
seem to be much relieved. When when do you think
it's the right time to make that harsh call.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah, it's a tough call, isn't it at that stage.
I mean, you know, a lab nine, she's still you know,
and theories should have plenty of plenty to go, you know,
in terms of normally their large expenses you know, upround
ten to twelve, you know, and older. So you know,
you're right. The arthritis will be due to the surgical
(09:16):
techniques that have been had to be applied early on.
Now they've got techniques that they can actually remove arthritis
as well through surgical techniques. And the first thing I'd
do though, is I would have an X ray of
the area that the arthritis is then and determine the
extent of the arthritis, and the VET really is the
(09:39):
one that will make that decision. I prefer personally to
actually get a specialist opinion on something like that, but anyway,
your GP can do it. And once I've got a
reading on the extent of it, then i know number
one that's the cause and number two is the VET.
Will you really advise you well, normally on when we're
(10:01):
getting to that place, we might need to consider you
the major, but at this stage I would suggest there's
more to do with your VET to resolve the issue.
And there's some pretty good drugs there now that can
take to the next level too.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, there are some pretty good drugs that can take
to the next level.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yep, yeah, yeah, Matt knows that well.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
It's something yeah, Peter, all the very best to you.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You're on with Mark.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Oh hey, lads love show listen every afternoon. Thank you, hey,
thank you, Matt.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
I've got a little bit.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Two dogs. I introduced a new puppy probably about six
months ago. He's about seven eight months old now. He
loves her, absolutely loves her. Adors there, but he chases
her around pretty much non stop, and he won't live
with tea or two by himself literally all over the
(10:58):
whole time.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Okay, she's too crosses and and the pups hewent months now,
siventeen months. Okay, So he's getting into the late puberty
as he dext and he's just quiteer excited. He's not okay.
I mean he's not bothering her though, is he mounting
(11:30):
her or do not? Really?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
I mean, you know, she's fine with him. It's just
and like as I said, they play really well. It's
just now that he's started hoping his leg, he's actually
literally peeing on your.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Right. Yeah, you know, i'd be thinking about desexing, you know,
particularly with them at that age. He's completed with his
development now, you know his physical development that you leave
him entire four if you want to do that, and
I tweak that back and get rid of those behaviors
and less unless you're breeding from him, and so that
(12:02):
just makes your life a lot easier, and he'd probably
less interested in her and worrying him. I use a
moderation technique that bounding all over and being too rough
and tumble, I've got to use a long line and
a slip color, and I'm just using a little check
as if it's coming from her, not from you. You're
not saying anything. I'm just trying to wind it because
(12:24):
she's obviously not got any defensive reaction to him that's effective.
So she's been in effective, so he's getting worse, and
so you need to What I try and do is
in partner a sense that that she has got a
little bit of I can tell you off cut that out,
you know, And so I'm just using a check, not
saying anything. It's coming from her. And so you can
(12:44):
always check on my schools to learn how to do
that technique. It's called moderation, and I use a moderating
technique take to take you about a couple of weeks
to get it sorted. But as well worth doing when
you've got one that's really bothering the other.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Dog, there's no need for that peeing on you.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's fully behavior is no fun exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
It's not unusual that in time mails will do that,
you know, not regular, but it's a bit of a
it's a bothersome.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Baby that's well, No one wants to be paid on well.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Mark, Mark, You've been great as always, Thank you very
much and if people want to find out more week
can they go Yeah Dogdan.
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Dot com or jump onto our Facebook page and uh
Facebook live on Monday nights and yeah, come come visit
us and we'll give you a hand. Virtual schools are available.
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To you too, brilliant. We will catch up again in
about a month's time.
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Yeah, look forward to seeing you guys.
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